manga-theories

[halcyon tusk]

what is Water 7 known for being the hub for building even in current story? ships. what was said to have originated from water 7? pluton.

[compact herald]

That's concerning the blueprints, but what about the actual Pluton's origins? Wasn't it a weapon that is heavily tied to Alabasta? What is Alabasta's connection to ships? The Poneglyph itself that mentions pluton is in Alabasta

[halcyon tusk]

it said that the poneglyph there tells the location of pluton. the only indication of the actual thing itself being there was from crocodile whom was merely guessing that it was but there has been no confirmation of anything apart from cobra stating that the poneglyph definitely tells the location of pluton. that’s it. the actual whereabouts are still anyone’s guess really.

well i guess robin knows since she read it

[compact herald]

Which further shrouds it in mystery, but you also have to ask, why is the poneglyph that talks about it's location in Alabasta to begin with? Why the Neferetari family be the ones put in charge in protection of said poneglyph? I'll admit it's a loose and flimsy connection but again I should say it's a theory on my part or speculation at best, I just think that we have been strongly lead to believe Pluton is a ship when the fact of the matter is we only know that because of Hearsay stated by characters who haven't seen it or could actually know about it, but also that the blueprints we DO know about aren't the actual Pluton but merely a Pluton countermeasure to the actual Pluton that COULD be something different than what might have been in the blueprints

[halcyon tusk]

okay, i’m not saying it’s impossible for things to not be as they seem regarding pluton. all i’m saying is that were it to end up being the case that it’s all bullshit… then i’m gonna have a hard time wrapping my head around what the point of it is for the story leading up to, during, and going forward from that revelation

[compact herald]

Hard to say, but something to note when people talk about Pluton or ancient weapons, the always seem to use the word "Revive" now I don't know since I only read the translations if that is a the actual word used by Oda or the word the translator might have thought fit best, but why would anything that is say "inanimate" need "reviving"? And I'm pretty sure there is better phrases or words to describe them being brought back to the present, such as "return" "reclaim" "Rediscovered" but they always say "Revive"

I would also wonder why Imu thought it prudent to get rid of Vivi or the Neferetari family specifically, what makes Vivi so special? Why do we pay so much attention to her? Idk if she's Pluton or connected to Pluton but that is also a possibility how and why I couldn't say

[halcyon tusk]

Vivi is someone whom like luffy is able to rally others to follow her lead.

[compact herald]

But she didn't pose a threat to Imu did she? at least it didn't seem like it I find it hard to justify having to get rid of her just because she's charismatic

[halcyon tusk]

but she could. and we’ve seen the wg go to extremes for less

i think that when imu was asked “which light” he replied “all of them”

[frank cargo]

I’m pretty damn confident that pluton is not a ship

[halcyon tusk]

it can be a tricycle for all i care

[compact herald]

Among the photos that we saw Imu "mess" with were Luffy, Blackbeard, and Shirahoshi's but for some reason he singled out Vivi's and held onto her photo specifically, now I could only connect Blackbeard and luffy to each other by both of them being big time D. pirates who might pose a threat, as for Shirahoshi we know she's Poseidon, and well in comparison what do we know about Vivi other than her being a princess of a country and having connection to luffy? nothing else, but if that was the only factor that singled out Vivi then I can safely say we can include OTHER princesses or countries that luffy saved in that category, so perhaps the reason Vivi is also singled out is her potential in being ALSO connected to an ancient weapon like Shirahoshi is?

[nimble venture]

do yall thiink kaido is defeated?

[compact herald]

Possibly, altho the lack of a Victory Dialogue box is sus

[heady parrot]

i’m starting to think kaido may be mentally defeated. if he gets back up idk if it’s gonna be to keep fighting luffy. unless it’s berserker mode awakening id love that.

[nimble venture]

might be but in my case
oda still hasn't shown rock's face and full past of kaido

kaido's history and rocks background should be shown in wano

[compact herald]

That could easily be talked about later though, don't forget we might not have even seen the last of Big Mom all we know is she was ringed out.

[steady prism]

Alabasta has been suspected to either have Pluton or knows where the original Pluton is. In fact, in Alabasta arc, King Cobra asked Robin why she lied to Crocodile, indicating that the Poneglyph she read did have information on Pluton. So Imu having Vivi’s photo is very significant.

[nimble venture]

haha ig her children appeared

[heady parrot]

Yeah that’s been addressed a bunch here already. I’ve even said myself that it would be weird not to see more about Kaidos time in Rocks Crew especially God Valley this arc. Oda has gone out of his way to tie up the concepts he introduced in Wano within Wano itself. Rocks needs to be addressed and if not it will be next arc and it’ll feel super removed from the current action unless a bigger baddie with connections to rocks appears which i can’t see besides bb.

[compact herald]

If anything we should definitely find out why Wano is so significant and why Kaido was adamant about occupying it

[heady parrot]

1049 seems to imply Higurashi met Kaido after fleeing the country and convinced him to use Wano as his base out of spite for the people of Wano and their treatment of the Kurozumis. Which is a super lame if that’s the case. Completely invalidates Kaidos dialogue about how Yamato doesn’t know why Kaido picked Wano and why it’s so important to him.

[nimble venture]

in my opinion
for now kaido is knocked out and luffy is worn out or might be in a verge of death
there will be short break or while kaido is knocked out he might go to his past and we get the whole history about rocks and god valley incident

[compact herald]

I mean we did get a very rushed flashback in comparison to say the Oden one for sure XD, and one thing we know also is Big mom is alive, her crew should be somewhere on their way, also that Kaido is obviously not dead as well, we have to wonder how Zuneisha is gonna play into all of this as well as those government ships that were on the way to Wano, along with that CP0 agent that fled, and it feels like Oda DELIBERATELY didn't show more about the god valley thing during the 1049 flashback

[nimble venture]

wowwww sure thing

[heady parrot]

Well I mean of course it was deliberate. He didn’t just casually decide not to show one of the most hyped up events in OP lore. The thing is whether or not he’s saving the God Valley flashback (which many of us assume is imperative to understanding Kaido’s character) for this arc or not. Just deliberately withholding information doesn’t necessarily mean that information will come to us soon. I hope for the sake of Wano sticking the landing that it does, though.

[lunar shell]

As long as there is the sun, there is hope.
The rains mean the end.

Only a new dawn can draw a new world.

[compact herald]

Well let's look at when we first learned about the Rocks pirates and the god valley incident, it was right before Wano, and in that exposition we learned of how Kiado big mom and whitebeard were all part of a crew under someone named Rocks, now after the fight with Kaido we got that small glimpse into it, and now we are nearing the end of the Wano arc, there's also how after Big mom was knocked out she was contemplating how if there's a significant piece of the mystery of the one piece in Wano, maybe that all ties together? but to be fair it's not like we have to learn about the god valley incident from the yonko we just saw, there IS someone who should also hold an answer to that mystery who was part of Roger's crew, I'm speaking of course of Shanks, although I cannot say how much HE himself would know, and we could also learn about it from other sources such as for example Garp

[heady parrot]

To steer this back towards theories though: What if we get another parallel like we did with 1048 and 1049 in 1050 and 1051? The parallel of Orochi being defeated at the end of 1048 followed by Kaido being defeated in 1049, but with awakenings. Some legends say you have to cut all 8 heads AND the tail of the Yamato no Orochi in order to truly kill it. Maybe Orochi awakens at the end of 1050 and Kaido continues the parallel by awakening in 1051.

Why have Orochi awaken? So Zoro can get revenge for Yasuie like he said he wanted to. I don’t think that dialogue was for nothing. Zoro will be the one to put down an awakened Orochi if Orochi does awaken. He’s the only one left who said they wanted to kill him that hasn’t even had the chance to try yet.

[compact herald]

It would tie nicely to the whole connection Zoro seemed to forge with Hiyori as well but I struggle to see it what with Denjiro being there as well and now with the water flooding onigashima and the rest of the beast pirates seemingly out of commission I struggle to see how Orochi can pose a real threat, but let's be honest Zoro is pretty banged up atm, idk if he should techincally be able to even move ALTHOUGH HE WAS STRANGELY MISSING IN 1049

[heady parrot]

the flooding may put the fire on his body out allowing him to escape

and this whole thing with zoro being unconcscious has to being going somewhere and longer it takes the more i’m convinced zoro will wake up with at least 1 black blade. he doesn’t need to be at full power to defeat awakened orochi but an awakened orochi may be too much for denjiro.

[compact herald]

Anyway Zoro was pretty out of it by the end of his fight with King and we still don't know what the deal was with his Reaper vision that he saw, I think last we saw him he was defo knocked out

[nimble venture]

ahhh mannnn it'll take another 50+ chapters to complete this arc

[compact herald]

We for sure have a big lore dump incoming for the end of this arc

[nimble venture]

a big lore dump?

[compact herald]

A big chunk of information about to drop on us, there's a lot to deal with right now, first the poneglyphs on Wano, the road poneglyph of Kaido's the Joyboy revelation, The significance Wano holds in general towards the One Piece and the history of the void century, The abolishment of the Warlords system, Sabo, Vivi, And the entire incident that took place in the reverie

[nimble venture]

damn boy
thats a lot to remember but its all an outstanding mysteries

[warm edge]

wasn't shanks just 1 years old at god valley?

[compact herald]

You're right my bad

[nimble venture]

how did you know bout that?

[warm edge]

he may be as well xebec's son as they found him at the time of god valley so it would make sense.

[compact herald]

That is a decent notion, I mean we know next to nothing about Shanks is actual origins, what we do know is for some reason the gorosei seem to be willing to humor him or pay some deference to him, he was SEEMINGLY important to Roger otherwise why would Roger give the all important strawhat to Shanks

[warm edge]

okay so I read a small portion of the previous messages and that's what I have to say;

1. Vivi is the next heir of Alabasta, and the nefetari are one of the countries that did not join the world goverment at first (if im not mistaken), so we can assume they had a strong weapon or army of sort, to actually oppose the other 20 countries at the time of the void century. - might be pluton?

2. I have to think that IT'S A YONKO, big mom isn't as strong as Kaido, as he did not even mention her in the "only people who can actually fight me", so I would say she is done for now.
   However Kaido?
   I think he might get up for one last try to blow the Flower Capital or something of sort, but someone ELSE, will take him down for good, as Kadio GOTTA DIE - and it won't be Luffy as we know Luffy is done for now, out of breath and Luffy isn't killing Kaido.
   Before Kaido's death - might as well be Big Mom who betrays him as he owes her for giving him his devil fruit.
   However we will sure to be getting some serious information from Kaido before his absolute defeat.

3. About shanks and god valley, during Momonosuke's birth - Roger and Rayleigh said it was a while since they last held a baby - Shanks was like - idk like 8-12 yo at the time.

• Shanks is like 1 year older than the god valley incident, which makes sense as him being a baby at the time - and we know Garp and Roger wouldn't just kill a baby, and I don't see a reason for Roger not to grab Shanks as a child to use him in the future - or just to save him.

let me know what you think

[sacred hawk]

I don't think that getting beaten by Joyboy was Kaido's motivation for coming to Wano

Because, judging from his dialogue this chapter, while he might have known about Joyboy beforehand, the part about Joyboy coming to Wano was something he only learned from Yamato.

[compact herald]

It wasn't, there's something else about Wano that's important as stated, it's not about being defeated, that was just an extra Kaido added on to sort of force the appearance of Joyboy, but Wano holds some sort of "key" piece of information, as for the Shanks being related to Rocks somehow it's somewhat possible? Rocks is based on a dutch pirate and as we all know Shanks is heavily tied to the Norse theme which would mesh with Rocks's

An interesting thing to also note that WERE shanks to be related to Rocks somehow it would mean all the initial Yonko that were first introduced to One piece would have ties to Rocks, Whitebeard, Kaido, Big Mom, and if it's proven then Shanks as well (IF that turns out to be the case)

[warm edge]

Also - something I read about in the fandom page, one of the elder back in Ohara as he ordered to shoot professor clover before mentioning the Ancient Kingdom's lost name.

Now we know Luffy's fruit must be connected to some sort as they changed the name of his fruit, since people might realize what it is, so does the name gotta do something with the lost kingdom's name?

[compact herald]

I don't believe they are 100% unrelated, for example it could be the "Sun Kingdom" or some such, tying in with the whole sun theme in one piece across the multiple locations we've been to and luffy's own fruit

[warm edge]

oof in the next couple chapters we getting PAIDDDDDD cmonnnn

[sacred hawk]

You know what I always thought would be a fun idea? A stock market for fan theories

Because when ongoing stories with a lot of lore have really dedicated fanbases, people end up sharing theories, only to religiously scan new episodes or chapters for info that supports their theory

However, with this hypothetical system, you can post a theory, and release"shares" for the theory. Then, when new information comes along that makes a theory seem more or less likely, the price of a theory's "share" can change

This is mostly inspired by theories like "Raid failing", "ZKK", and "Big Mom will leave Wano". Because in hindsight, I think it would have been funny to see an actual stock price rise and fall over their lifetimes

[spring stream]

lel

[warm edge]

yeah about that

this guy literally predicted something huge like 2 months before the actual event

[lapis horizon]

Dont you guys think that viva caught by world government and her father died

[primal cargo]

Well not exactly
The gears work from just Luffy being rubber, they have nothing to do with the Zoan nature of the fruit
And his awakening does affect the environment

[shrewd haven]

what if the yonko system gets abolished after wano? cuz 2 big yonkos out and kidd or law dont have a strong crew / alot of land and area

[fathom matrix]

I could see King recovering Kaido and they end up leaving wano together or king's unconscious, but he manages to leave wano at some point looking for kaido or he comes across new information

Here's what else I think

The samurai and people of wano are gonna put all the topi-roppo and queen in sea prism and either imprison them or if the marines come over, they'll hand them over.

INFACT, that could be a new cover story maybe?

Maybe something like "Post Wano" or maybe calling it "New Wano"

Where we see Momonosuke as the new shogan, maybe hiyori's still playing her shamison teaching young girls and boys how to play, we see plays reinnacting the events of the raid, then it could cut to Queen performing in the jails, with the toppiroppo looking annoyed at how stupid it is, maybe the people of wano are all eating lots of food and drinking clean water

[light tundra]

thoughts on luffy's bounty post- wano?

[narrow monolith]

if beats kaido more than 4billion

[sick raft]

4-4..7 billion

[light tundra]

I think that over 4 bil is very possible, especially with the revelation of gear 5. One thing I am having fun thinking about is his final bounty. I predict it will be around 5.6 billion, surpassing roger but not by much as well as 5 and 6 being go mu

[amber breach]

Theory: Luffy will not have a final bounty, because the WG will be disbanded and Luffy will destroy the Red Line and become the new ruler of the ancient kingdom and fulfill the prophecy of Joyboy. The golden age of pirates will end with Luffy and so will the tyranny of the WG and CD's.

[grim oyster]

when do you think his last bounty will be?

[fathom matrix]

if they find out it's an alliance, it might be split between all 3....however. If the CP agent reports an awakened fruit + beating a yonko

.......they might put it at 5 billion

cause the mere fast he failed in an assassination attempt on big mom made his bountry triple, imagine what would happen if the WG found out he awakened his fruit, and took down the yonko with THE highest active bounty

[half nymph]

Does the time travel theory get discussed much here?

Like how Luffy gonna go back in time 800 years to the Void Century, how he actually is the original joy boy.

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/onepiece/images/5/56/Shandora_Ruins_Poneglyph.png/revision/latest?cb=20131122162601

"The words that are casually written here... They're the same script as those on the Poneglyphs. The only people who knew how to use these symbols were the ones who created the Poneglyphs."

Robin can read them, so Robin wrote them, ez.

[modest skiff]

We are told you can only go forward and never backward in time, so that doesn't feel likely. Robin being able to read them does not imply she wrote them

[half nymph]

We're told that we can only go forward in time, or that the Toki Toki no Mi can only go forward in time?

[modest skiff]

We are told there are no methods of going back in time, not just that toki's fruit can only go forward

It also feels like Zunesha would have recognized Luffy prior to awakening if he was Joyboy

[half nymph]

Well if Zunesha had only known Luffy as Joyboy, then he'd only recognize him as Joyboy perhaps

[modest skiff]

Do you mean in gear 5? As in Luffy is just permanently gear 5 or something some time in the future?

[half nymph]

Not necessarily, but it might put a stamp on his soul of sorts.

[waxen light]

That’s a lot of what ifs and conjecture to try to make it work. Not saying it’s impossible but we’d need to get some more info on toki’s fruit or other means of time travel before we can make those leaps.

[half nymph]

Another point is Luffy promises Shirahoshi that he'll take her somewhere (some kind of promise). And the poneglyph is Joyboy apologizing for not being able to keep his promise.

[fathom matrix]

In a sense, it's history repeating itself

[steady prism]

My two cents: One of the biggest plot devices in OP is the idea of inherited will. What Luffy has done is inherited the will of Roger as well as the will of Joyboy, which is why we see parallels between Roger/Joyboy and Luffy’s actions in this story. Oda intentionally informed us that Toki’s df can only go forward in time (or else why wouldn’t she go back in time and fix whatever happens?). If Luffy ends up going back in time, it will most likely trample on the idea of inherited will as well as introduce a host of timeline continuity issues or w/e.

[fathom matrix]

Heck, there's this theory that Shirohoshi only likes tall guys or guys as tall as her, and Joyboy was probably a giant or something.

So if she saw Luffy as a giant, she'd probably say "HE'S MY TYPE!" because her soul is that of posiden's, and posiden was in love with a man as big as her if not around a similar size

[pure raven]

So I was thinking. If zoro could make bigmom and kaido be worried of getting hit by one of his attacks HOW HECKING STRONG IS MIHAWK THEN? Like. as i see it. Mihawk is being pictured as someone that could easily oneshot king or something. maybe even cut kaido's arm with his last attack or something.

Ok. that's OP BUT WHAT ABOUT SHANKS!? Mihawk is at least as strong as shanks so that means shanks is that Op too? (or at least he was 'cuz he has one arm now) like that'd just make shanks one of the strongest yonkos
(srry for the crazy amount of typos. i'm bad at english lmao)

[inland bay]

Zoro never had Enma when he trained with Mihawk

[hard venture]

I was literally just talking about this with my brother. If mihawk doesn't have conqueror's haki then does that mean zoro is stronger than him??

[pure raven]

mihawk's sword may be stronger than enma

[hard venture]

maybe, but enma has a special ability tho so they might be on par with each other

[inland bay]

true but you know what idk what's up with Zoro left eye something is under his sleeve fosho

[hard venture]

can we talk about how he saw the grim reaper?!?

[pure raven]

maybe he just lost it in a fight. i don't think is even that deep

[cedar venture]

When shirahoshi split her leg, she will have the D in it.

[sullen gull]

I had a theory involving bonneys df but I forgot. If I remember imma put it here

[inland bay]

bonney df weak as hell why make a theory

[sullen gull]

The age fruit

I had a theory after seeing a post about it but i can remember what it was.

[inland bay]

it won't work against kaido or even akainu

[winter heron]

My far out there theory is that kaidos and big moms defeat will be covered up and luffy and co will see no bounty increase and drake will be seen as hero of wano

[sullen gull]

That’s not the theory I think momonuske was involved

[inland bay]

uhm there was an episode in manga where the world government invaded Wano. CP0 are there as well

[steel shadow]

I doubt they would credit Drake. Honestly, they'd probably credit CP0 if they did that. Regardless I doubt the government could cover up such a world changing event

[sullen gull]

That’s not too ridiculous. Or CP0 defeated them

[winter heron]

I was thinking along the lines that it will be the new God valley incident.

[grizzled fog]

something similar to this happened in alabasta though (albeit on a much much smaller scale), with smoker being propped up as the hero and although luffy's contributions weren't made public the government still gave him a bounty increase because they acknowledged how much of a threat he was

[slender fulcrum]

Remember, King was waiting for Joy Boy. So the coming of Luffy might make him change obediance. In fact lots of forgotten ancient races like Lunarian, Mink etc might have waited for Joy Boy so Luffy will find a lots of unexpected allies everywhere.

[warm edge]

it would actually make a lot of sense, since Kaido said the only one who would be able to beat him is Joy Boy, and since King said no such thing, he was sure Kaido is gonna be JoyBoy...
We will have to see

[grizzled pendant]

You guys i had a theory,so what if after luffy defeats Kaidou and open up wano and luffy and his crew plans to sail to elbaf but just before they start to sail out from wano the birds that drops the newspaper droped the newspaper to luffy ship and nami opens the newspaper and the newspaper says that sabo got captured and planed to get executed

And then they abort the elbaf plan and start to sail to where sabo is getting executed

Im sorry if this doesn't make since i just got this theory in my head while i was sleeping rn 💀💀

[keen vault]

ye people have already thought of that theory

[grizzled pendant]

I thought so

[keen vault]

but who knows if it might happen i hope nothing bad has happened to sabo

[keen vault]

Since when were minks forgotten races??

[warm edge]

they might just figured out sabo is in mariejois and to be captured, since they probably wanted to take out vivi (talking about the goverment) and vivi got into the incident and died, while they got to blame it on sabo, and the revolutionary army wants to confirm the facts

[grizzled pendant]

Vivi died ??

Or possibly

[upbeat crane]

So nika based on hanuman confirmed?

[amber breach]

Considering Elbaf is the next chapter and how close the final war arc is, and Elbaf might be interrupted by the final war so Luffy might not get a bounty for it. His final bounty might be post-wano and then after the final war he will fulfill the joyboy prohecy and revive the ancient kingdom and then have no bounty

[glacial knot]

What crazy ass (little evidence) theory do you still… think about?
Like, not necessarily believe, but it gets you thinking from time to time

Like that one where Dragon is Rock's son, and Luffy's mum is Garp's daughter. That one really stuck with me

[warm edge]

highly doubt, Cobra might have died and they think vivi also did but sabo managed to save her

[warm edge]

It literally been said that Garp is Dragon's son, and luffy's mom being his sister? ehhhh.
Considering the baby around God Valley could be only shanks, as Dragon is older than shanks by like 16 years.

[glacial knot]

Nooooooooo
Dragon is Garp's son
And Luffy's mum is Dragon's wife

[warm edge]

You litteraly said?

[compact herald]

He's implying that Dragon adopted their family name

[warm edge]

Could be interesting, but I can't see it being that, Unless Dragon's motive is also Xebec's motive, but just to destroy the government instead of being the king of the world

[glacial knot]

Have you heard the theory that the Straw Hats are all maternal cousins?

[warm edge]

that's just theories straight out of someone's ass LMAO

[glacial knot]

I just made it up, cause no one knows shit about anyone's mother
Bar Big Mom

[warm edge]

Did you know that Imu is actually Buggy, and the 5 elders used to be actual dogs? like the one that was in Buggy's crew? he was just using his Mythical zoan Dog Dog model Shitass Theory?

[glacial knot]

LMAO

[warm edge]

Like I'm IN LOVE WITH ONE PIECE THEORIES AND IT MAKES THE SHOW SO GOOD, but please.
all these stupidass theories people only wish were true?
smh just stop.
actual theories with evidence or some kind of guesses are amazing, but others - stop.

[muted ember]

Everybody think something bad is going to happen to Sabo, but I think something is going to happen to Luffy where Sabo comes to save him. For one, the setup for MF was Luffy getting Ace's vivre card. But with Sabo its the other way around he has Luffy's. And according to Hawkins, if Luffy stays in Wano 2 more weeks, then he will be caught in an event where he only has a 19% chance of survival

[glacial knot]

MF
Who's Mother Fucker?

[idle dew]

Marineford 💀

[warm edge]

I'd say the final war will only be after the one piece is found - which makes me wonder.
We have been said by Big Mom that WANO is playing A HUGE ROLE regarding the one piece.
What if Elbaf won't even be a part of the story - but just an island they pass by for a 1-2 days.
Since the one piece might be in Wano, which will make them stay in Wano longer to have Luffy captured by the Marines and Admirals.
Which then it'll be the final War - where Luffy and his Allies COMPLETELY destroys the marines - but then Blackbeard which is the real problem comes out and that's what make Luffy have 19% survival rate?

But that just some weird turn of events.
But I do believe Luffy will stay in Wano longer than usual on other islands which will make things just harder for everyone.
maybe the 19% is blackbeard coming to wano idk

[muted ember]

Idk what it is but I think there will be major conflict. But I don't think it will be the final war. Maybe Luffy trying to stop the annexation

[compact herald]

Well for one we are still missing one Road poneglyph (besides the one kaido had) so we have to find it somewhere, idk if the person we will be getting it from is Shanks or not or whether it may or may not be on Elbaf

[fathom matrix]

I think the word would get out that the one piece's location has been revealed, and it's a race/matter of time for everyone to get there.

And so every pirate crew going after the piece appears, and then it becomes an all out war

[compact herald]

I don't think that's likely only due to how difficult it is to figure out where it is, so unless the straw hats decide to publicize it I don't see that happening (Or I suppose someone steals the info from them and THEN publicizes it which again doesn't make much sense)

[fathom matrix]

true

[compact herald]

What I feel likely to happen next is to be honest some sort of clash with Blackbeard, the reasons being: 1) We know he must be headed somewhere to seize something before the navy gets their hands on it speculation being that he's heading towards Alabasta, 2) With that being the case Vivi will turn to luffy for help and he leads the charge to fighting off blackbeard to prevent him from going there, 3) The initial goal that was set up back in Punk Hazard was to beat Kaido, and Luffy already said as much back then that "as long as they leave shanks for last" and seeing as blackbeard is the only remaining undefeated Yonko besides Shanks I have to assume that luffy will choose to deal with Blackbeard before facing shanks

[halcyon tusk]

i’m gonna have to learn what exactly went down at the Reverie before i can say if that seems likely or not. For all we know Vivi has a whole other set of problems to deal with right now. my guess is that she is with Sabo and they’re laying low until Sabo can get ahold of Dragon to get picked up. furthermore i don’t believe Blackbeard would be willing to pack up and leave the New World right now because it’s a touchy time to be absent.

[warm edge]

it won't be possible unless something certain happens, as the location will be between 4 spots.

[warm edge]

We got big mom's, the minks and which one else?

[compact herald]

There should be 4 Road ones so we have one big mom one, one kaido , and one Zou, the last one to be honest no one has mentioned it's location

[warm edge]

Well, we got only 2, we don't know where kaido's poneglyph is, or even if he still got it.

[compact herald]

Also the reason I believe Blackbeard is heading to Alabasta is twofold, one being he mentions that there is something "the navy wants to seize" and he'd rather seize it himself, so we only know for now that the Navy sent ships to Wano but in that case he wouldn't worry about the navy seizing it but rather Luffy and his crew, secondly IF cobra is dead as we are led to believe and the neferetari family is labelled as traitors along with Vivi it would make sense that the navy is sent to Alabasta to seize control of it

[fathom matrix]

It'd be a kick in the balls if Kaido said "I have a road ponoglyph but I never said it was in wano"

but he's kept it safe somewhere else

[warm edge]

Yeah, that's a good reason about nefetari family and the government

What's more bothering me though, is the fact that blackbeard never said he needs robin to decipher to poneglyphs unlike big mom and kaido, did he find someone to do so or is it something else?

[compact herald]

Well there do seem to be alternate methods of deciphering them or figuring out what they say, for example big mom was hoping pudding would awaken her three eye tribe power to be able to read them, we know the Kozuki clan should have the knowledge to read them as well, along with Roger who heard the voice of all things, it wouldn't be too wild to think that Blackbeard might have some well of info that allows him to decipher poneglyphs

[hexed nest]

I think BlackBeard is in someway is connected to rocks. And Rocks born at Hoara. think the world gov knew about the archeologists for sometime and if someone who contacted to Rocks is there it's big danger

[queen bison]

Can we discuss 1049 here?

[pure raven]

Please be my name

[scarlet saffron]

Shiki is the lurking legend

[warm edge]

The lurking legend is luffy being joyboy lmao, is shiki considered a legend? eh, not in the slightest as they barely talked about him in all of one piece, and joyboy a thing

[scarlet saffron]

But shiki... 😢

[unique isle]

Did Vegapunk eat the Brain Brain fruit

[warm edge]

Shiki is an L, sorry to disappoint you

[scarlet saffron]

I think he may return to fight against the WG in the final op arc maybe 🤔 he could team up with Enel and form a fleet of flying ships that would be awesome

[warm edge]

Lmao

[scarlet saffron]

Oda take notes

[iron bolt]

we don’t know if rocks has a devil fruit but i feel like we know he has conq haki just because it makes sense. theory he has/had the most overwhelming conq haki ever by a good amount and that’s how he was able to get people like wb, kaido, bm, etc. to listen to him

[wraith flower]

I mean if he had a fruit it would have to be insanely powerful

[iron bolt]

oh yeah fs it was probably blackbeard fruit if he had one

[wraith flower]

I highly doubt it was bbs fruit. Garp and wb showed no surprise reaction to his powers. In fact garp commented on wbs powers but ignored the yami

[iron bolt]

what do you think then? or you think it’s a fruit yet to be introduced?

[wraith flower]

Yeah a fruit yet to be Introduced. That's not to say you can't figure it out with what we have so far. Just use the facts we have about him so far to come up with something

[pure raven]

Hey.. Any new theory?

[past scroll]

Guys I've been thinking a lot about the 3 souls Blackbeard theory

And I had an epiphany, if that theory is correct there's a chance we may have only seen 1 or 2 versions of him. What if the 3rd Blackbeard is the one Shanks is very wary of, Maybe the 3rd Blackbeard was the one that scarred him??

[wraith flower]

Hitetsu will give zoro the nidai kitetsu and tell zoro about his lineage and grandfather. Yamato will also tell zoro that she was helped by a samurai that looks alot like zoro

[dense schooner]

If luffy “died” his voice was gone and heart stopped, does that mean his vivre card was 100% burnt? (Or will it be like 99.999% burnt then regen) if it’s 100% gone which would make sense, that means the straw hat fleet wouldn’t be able to track him.

[nimble venture]

before straw hats went to skypia
luffy,zoro and nami met blackbeard and luffy and zoro addressed blackbeard as "they/them" pronoun i.e not gay but having multiple personalities
how did they know bout that?

[modest skiff]

@lime fern keep posts in this channel serious please

[tiny ocean]

Zoro said "probably" according to subs, and Im still not 100% convinced that Zoro didn't mean "him and his crew" by "they" or whatever. Unrelated: Also because of that convo I do think that Blackbeard's final goal is to keep up a chaos, which fits his DFs too. So he doesn't want the pirate era to end by whatever means and I think luffy will end it.

[fathom matrix]

It can really go either way

Cause they might have realises those either guys might be aligned with him, or maybe they sensed something up about BB

[slender fulcrum]

Minks, like Lunarian, are high values on slave market because they are a rare thing. forgotten is maybe a strong word, I admit. Secluded / hidden race is better

[spare jackal]

thanks for all the theories guys, going to make YT videos and claim them as my own 🏆

[wraith flower]

If I was nekomamushi I would pretend to get captured then go crazy in the human auction and kill all those buyers

[pure raven]

theory: zoro will unlock enma

[manic lichen]

obviously
nothing can stop that demon of a swordsman

[ruby bear]

I don't think that's just a theory.like we all knew from the moment he got his hand on enma it would happen

[pure raven]

oda forshadowed it from chapter 10

[hard fog]

Magellon gets promoted to the Gorosei and he captures Shanks and uses him as a slave. Then Kaido becomes a girl because of Ivankov and Luffy and Kaido become a couple

[pure raven]

zoro becomes a girl to show kuina she was wrong

[ruby bear]

Lol the foreshadowing is another level by oda

[hard fog]

There is no foreshadowing in One Piece

[manic lichen]

i think the act 4 will be the overall reveal of the rest of Wano's secrets and the aftermath that continues after it
Also we might even get to meet Gyukimaaru again
and Luffy might read the News coo and get to know the 'sabo' news

[pure raven]

act 4? i thought 3rd was final

[manic lichen]

no there are a total of 5 acts in wano

[ruby bear]

Not a theory but just Imagine this:

Oda revealed that the next arc would be a great battle between the world government and pirates. So what if,

Sengoku's and Garp's true power displayed,
Luffy learning that sabo in arrested
Shanks showing up(unlikely) ,
The buster call(again lol) ,
Fucking every one is here ,
Since we are talking about pirates and the "seven warlords" System is removed we can see them fighting against the marine(new power scales lol) ,
Learning the truth about the "void century".
Lol sounds like I am hypocrite right?

[manic lichen]

when did he say that the next arc is a war?
wait i did not read the article, wait

[ruby bear]

Yea..?

[ruby bear]

Lol just asked the google what is the next arc and wola there it is

[compact herald]

Fan: Is it true that One Piece is ending in 5 years?! …

Oda: …The most exciting part of Luffy's adventure is over. The Wano arc is reaching its climax. After Wano-kuni, I will draw the "biggest war" in manga history. It will be very exciting…

[manic lichen]

yeah i read that shit

[ruby bear]

Gosh can't wait for the next arc also I am quite sad that One piece is ending so soon I really wish it would go on for over 3000 episodes

[compact herald]

I mean I would also hope that it never ended but Oda's gonna have to finish it some day

[manic lichen]

well its been more than 25 years it might be taking a toll on Oda, so now he is willing to end the story soon enough
but he will clear up the plot entirely, probably

[ruby bear]

Probably?

[compact herald]

Indeed, Personally I noticed or at least felt that he started sort of rushing towards the end recently, think of all the big power ups luffy's gotten recently, Technically after the timeskip luffy's strongest mode was gear 4th but right after that we had wholecake island learn to see the future and 2 big power ups in Wano, so Luffy's pretty much near the ceiling of power creep right now

[manic lichen]

well who knows, many writers like to make cliffhanger endings

[ruby bear]

I want to know what you people think..
Is luffy the strongest in One piece?

[slate mirage]

Well, that's how all story end. It's either another adventure, settling in one place or death.

[manic lichen]

nope atleast not right now

[compact herald]

I would love a One piece prequel yes about certain characters, I mean Oda seems adamant about no sequels but idk how much control he has over that sort of decision, cause let's face it who wouldn't wanna milk the heck outta of a big property like one piece? So we might just get something I mean we ARE talkin Toei here, I just fear it won't live up to the standards of Oda's one piece

[manic lichen]

one piece deserves god animation

[lilac spade]

One piece deserves a better studio that doesnt animate 1 chapter a week

[manic lichen]

yup, the studio needs to fasten its things up

[compact herald]

Either that or just take a break go on a little hiatus let the manga go farther ahead than it currently is

[ruby bear]

Let's all demand two pieces from oda's son.. (Lol I don't know if he even has one)
Anyone with me in this?

[compact herald]

I mean Oda did make a joke about Two Piece but then said no way no how

What my main worry is, how is he planning on wrapping literally everything up so quickly in what I hope would be a satisfying way, cause there's a LOOOOOTTT of stuff we know still nothing about

[ruby bear]

Ikr it's got:
The void century
Who tf is Im
The will of D
Sun God Nika
How Teach managed to obtain two fuking devil fruits
And
WTF IS ONE PIECE

[wraith flower]

What we will learn at the end of wano:

Zoros lineage and creation of his village
Yamatos mother
Hitetsus true identity as tsukiyaki
Tama child of orochi
Joyboy and wano connection

[ruby bear]

What do you guys think the One piece is?

'Cuz u think it will be a cliche quote or something like that

[compact herald]

Some people have said something like Sake

[ruby bear]

Wow all of this for sake.. (Ik it's just a theory)

[compact herald]

I mean to be honest it might fit, cause all we know is when Roger reached laugh tale what he and his crew saw made them all laugh, so it had to be something sort of ridiculous and it being sake is sort of inane enough to be humorous I suppose, plus it would tie in with the whole Binks's Sake song being of great importance

[ruby bear]

Hmm. I guess but we went through Years of waiting for sake.. Is just kind of not nice

[compact herald]

I meeeannnn beats it just being the friends you made along the way sorta deal, would add abit to it, plus there won't be JUST Sake there'll also be all the poneglyphs passages and the void century history there carried by Roger

[ruby bear]

Lol true from a guy who thought his sworn brother is dead to fucking treat to world Government and making friends, fighting, discovering new things.. It's beautiful... Although the way that oda wants to end it seems kind of rushed

[compact herald]

The fact of the matter is Oda himself said he always knew how he wanted to end One Piece, that he had the final picture already set from the beginning it just sorta took him way longer to get there than he initially planned, and hey if you're hoping for something extra maybe Uranus is there too? Idk I feel like the whole comment Roger made on them being "too early" is sorta interesting in and of itself, was it just based on Poseidon not being born yet or is there something else as well? Does Luffy's DF have a key part to play? /shrug, let's not forget Oden himself said that they literally learned EVERYTHING when they got there so that's kind of a big "treasure trove" of info I suppose haha

[modest skiff]

@compact herald @manic lichen strictly zero other series discussion or references outside of #other-series

[compact herald]

Apologies

[ruby bear]

Hmmmm... I think the Im will take part in the war and unintentionally or internationally slips the truth about sun god Nika and the void century

[modest skiff]

Power scaling questions like this are not appropriate for this channel, but we regularly talk about this sort of thing in #manga so please feel free to post there

!theories @pure raven

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using #manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description.

[ruby bear]

My apologies I will not repeat it ahain

[pure raven]

😦

[modest skiff]

No worries, just helping you guys understand the intention of this channel

[compact herald]

As for Im taking part in the war I doubt it, the whole point is that she/he's a shadow ruler no one other than the Gorosei are meant to know about, how would the world feel to find out that there's one big dictator reigning over the entire world of One Piece? Even the Celestial Dragons would get upset learning that they are beneath someone like that, so Im's existence is meant to be a top secret and if it's ever revealed that's a major blow to the WG and Im himself/herself

[hasty elk]

I think the kizaru’s awakening will be the ability to create illusions because we see by our eyes reading light as it bounces off surfaces and I believe when he awakens he will have the ability to bend light changing it’s color and creating illusions. So kizaru = itachi

[compact herald]

So sorta of like Nami I suppose, but I feel like that sort of power up would be easily side-stepped by strong haki users who would manage to "feel" where he really is or see reality, Logia awakenings are I feel still sorta iffy, we don't know for sure what it's like, it's hinted that awakened logia's change environments hence Punk Hazard is the way it is due to Akainu and Aokiji's fight but you can just as easily say that it's just due to the fact that they fought for a long period of time and generated a lot of ice and magma so can't say for sure

[hasty elk]

Agreed but if really does change their environment like paramecia then I think illusions would make the most sense

[versed hamlet]

the next arc is definitely not a battle between the WG and pirates, that's too soon. sure, we're going to fight them in the next saga. also oda never revealed anything like that.

[compact herald]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eh-O0A8WAAEdM96?format=jpg&name=large

"Developments on a global scale" "I'll draw the greatest battle ever in OP history"

[ashen surge]

source?

[compact herald]

Just linked it

[versed hamlet]

That doesnt mean anything. It just means after wano we're going to start buiding up to the final war. This isnt conclusive evidence to determine that right after wano we are going to get ANOTHER war. also this isnt something thats really #manga-theories worthy

[compact herald]

It's as close as a theory as one can get, It's not gonna be IMMEDIATE WAR I imagine it's the build up to a great war, you can't just start "the greatest war in history of OP" from the get go but this next arc after Wano is shaping up to be the ULTIMATE arc signifying the end or near end at least maybe PENULTIMATE before say actually seeing the actual One Piece but Idk what else to say, I would also venture to say that I don't know if what occured in Wano is necessarily a "war" it's mentioned it's a raid, I wouldn't equate the Onigashima raid to the war in marineford between the whitebeards and the marines for example

[ruby bear]

Wait there is a theory called "Joy boy is ruler of the ancient kingdom" So what if The person "Im" Is actually the ruler?
Since we dint get his/her any view of his/her face and age. We can speculate that he/she actually lived through all these years by some devil fruit ands still controls the world by world government

What happened in the void century:

Im probably used some really "Bad" ways to rule the kingdom, which pissed off people like joy boy and made the ancient weapons to use ONLY against the Im person, which pissed him/her off and somehow managed to kill(?) Joy boy and destroy the ancient weapons. But because he/she was in the wrong he/she had to cover it up by destroying all the data, and making sure nobody discovers about it

And the voice of everything(?) were also part of it but sided with joy boy and zo for some reason betrayed joy boy and sided with Im later on

And the will of the D is probably linked with Sun God Nika
You know they mentioned that sun God Nika will free the slaves after 800years? And somewhere in the deressrosa arc(I don't remember the episode number) they metion that anyone that possess the will of D is to go against the gods and here the gods might mean the nobles and people like Roger, Rocks,Teach, Luffy have perfected(?) It so maybe that's why the Im person is so aware of them and thought they are a threat(note: I don't know if Im actually considered Teach as threat)
And the fact the a D (Mokey D Dragon)l leads the Revolution army proves my point(I think)
But this Is just a theory, hope you don't get offended by this lol

[compact herald]

As for joyboy being the ruler of the ancient kingdom it's possible if not likely, as for it being Imu it is very unlikely, 1) Imu is clearly a bad guy the ancient kingdom was known for having a certain "ideal" which the WG was against the Oharans knowing or possibly spreading therefore we can assume it was an ideal that was counter to current WG and Imu's rule so that's one, 2) The Strawhat seems to be highly connected to Joyboy and the strawhat we saw in the vault in Mariejois is kinda huge, perhaps I would say GIANT sized? and I don't see it fitting on Imu and why would Imu abandon it if it was his? It seems more like a trophy kept by Imu by a fallen enemy, 3) The joyboy we know was a liberator as is referenced several times in the manga as Sun God Nika so I don't see why he would suddenly become a dictator instead, most likely Imu was an enemy of the original Joyboy I'd suspect is the more likely conclusion

[ruby bear]

Hmm.. So my theory suggests:

1. That Joy boy maybe the ruler and Imu used to be the so called "comander" of the world government and was not happy that the ancient kingdom is not in their 'control'
2. lol I don't understand what you said, but if you are talking about zo and why Imu would just leave him be then, it's probably because zo was punished by joy boy at the end and so he decided that he deserves to be like that(?) and Imu's got other stuff to deal with, he/she ha to re-build the world government without the traces of the void century then he/she had to take down rocks, Roger and they had to call a buster call on ohara(really busy lol)
3. you are probably right but maybe he wanted to do that to free the slaves from the nobles? But of course that's just a probability

[echo creek]

hi can i post tiktok links ?

[dawn thorn]

Would prefer you to type out a theory

[echo creek]

found a crazy theory on tiktok i think people should see and i dont want to take credit for it

[gritty flower]

remember when Big Mom fell into that hole? and she was talking about one piece..."some of it its in here isnt it(Wano)?
what if she finds something within that hole underground? her story cant just end with her there and thats it...

[timber silo]

i had the same theory

seems like Oda might have done that intentionally, big mom falling in the hole conveniently above what she was talking about sounds like a Oda thing to do. She might find the road poneglyph or poneglyph about info of the one piece... Luffy chases after her for this and beats her. There are many possibilities imo

[idle dew]

Luffy said he'll come for BM after he's done with Kaido

[cedar mirage]

The named weapons

at the end of the arc the supreme grades and 21 blades will get full expanded on and their history.
Tashigi will come to wano. Idk if smoker will come but Tashigi will go on her usual obsession with the graded weapons

She will likely comment on enma ame no habikiri and nidai kitetsu. And this may bring in ace and mumorigiri and if any other supreme grades come to the forefront

[tender mulch]

We could see a clash between them. But I honestly don't think we are going to get BM vs luffy fight. Yes he said that he will come after BM. But it was in wci. In wano kidd and law took down BM. So I don't think luffy care that much to defeat big mom.

[torpid canopy]

and morgan will probably give credit to luffy for helping take down big mom anyway

[sinful dock]

Big mom will get another amnesia after law/kid fight

[tender mulch]

Depend on what Cp0 info is going to give to him. I can imagine him saying that luffy was the leader of the alliance and they defeated both big mom and kaido.

[torpid canopy]

lowkey that's not completely out of reason imagine how pissed the others would be LMAO

[vale badger]

Will luffy get full credit for taking down kaido?

[manic lichen]

he sure will, cuz he did the major fighting.

[hybrid ivy]

Yep. The dude doing the last hit almost always gets the credit

[worldly lance]

Any theories on what Blackbeard say to his crew members that made them wanna join

[hybrid lava]

good day chaps

I think one piece is a giant freezer full of food from every culture (including the cultures from space) and is the reason roger pirates laughed. the idea to throw a party with the whole world could very well be the childish dreams of both roger and luffy and seeing the same idea brought to life by joyboy must be super awe-inspiring and funny. I also think the giant straw hat in imu's freeze is a clue to it. I think this giant freezer full of food also houses a key item to turn the world upside down similar to the secret treasure held in mary geoise. just my 2 cents

[pseudo zinc]

Throwing this out there and it's prob already been said. Kaido is 100% defeated even if he's not knocked out. Remember Oda saying that it would take more than a big punch to beat Kaido. Just before Luffy sends him flying Kaido asks what kind of world Luffy wants. "A world where my friends can eat as much food as they want". A few pages before we see that he really only got caught by Marines because he wanted a meal. So with those words Luffy may have defeated Kaido not physically but psychologically. Never has he met somebody with such a dream and with the power to actually make it come true. It finally clicked for him that Luffy is Joyboy and the one that will defeat him. Next chapter he'll probably stay down for the count and we can start wrapping up Waono. I'm even betting Kaido will stay in Onegashima while the others party it up in Waono. Obviously he's not gonna be a part of the party.

[tropic gale]

my theory is after roger found the one piece the government went there afterwards and collected some but not all of the one piece on laugh tale and put in pangea castle basement for storage…the giant straw hat was originally located on laugh tale

[late pier]

No one but Roger has ever found laugh tale. If the WG was able to make it there I don't think they would need to be wasting their time worrying about the pirate age, joy boy, or the fact that WB confirmed the one piece existed.

"the giant straw hat was originally located on laugh tale "

The giant straw hat belonged to Joy Boy from 800 years ago. IT wasn't on laugh tale.

[tropic gale]

no one found it up until roger found it, doesn’t say anything about after….also joyboy left one piece on laugh tale tho, makes sense he would leave straw hat there too

[jaunty yoke]

Ussop dies in order to fulfill his wish, of becoming the bravest warrior in the sea

[late pier]

You have to find and read all the ponographs in order to find laugh tale. The WG goes out of their way to destroy these and murdered the only island of people who could read the language.

If the WG found laugh tale, that means they found all of the ponographs that lead to it but chose not to destroy them. That doesn't really make sense.

[tender mulch]

I wonder how Roger knew about this one piece treasure. How he know about all these poneglyph.

[compact herald]

He developed the voice of all things that allowed him to "sort of" read them

[hybrid lava]

no, he figured it out as per his own words not with voice of all things

[compact herald]

https://youtu.be/DTCtU9_xgQE?t=144

Oden is the one who can actually read the poneglyphs that's why Roger was first heading towards Wano and wanted to recruit someone from there who can help him read them

[jaunty yoke]

this scene is so beautiful to see again

also roger never want to wano, his initial goal was just to get to the last island

[hybrid lava]

the answer is roger making the connection between poneglyphs, the poneglyphs connection to the last island, the EXISTENCE of the last island, and how WANO and poneglyphs are connected. nothing short of genius that took 13 years for roger to piece together

[compact herald]

The point of that clip was to show that he "heard" the poneglyph and had a gist of what it talked about but still needed Oden to confirm what was written on it, Roger reached Rhodestar on his first trip around, but realized it wasn't the final island and then realized through either poneglyph "hearing" or there was already a hint on Rhodestar itself that says that you need specific poneglyphs that's why he ends up going back to places in paradise and in the new world like Skypiea and I didn't say he was in Wano or even went to Wano but the fact he ran into Oden from Wano and someone from the kozuki clan specifically who can read poneglyphs just happened to meet and BEGGED him to join them on their journey

All the different paths on the Grand Line ultimately meet at Lodestar Island. According to Inuarashi, travelers who reach the island become aware of the Poneglyphs, the civilization that created them, as well as the hidden final island of Laugh Tale.

[hybrid lava]

roger reached lodestar 13 years ago but didnt immediately piece that together.

[iron bolt]

theories on admirals gb? and how the final war will play out?

[split hull]

i suppose the final war will be somewhat relative to marineford but in mariejois and this time luffy's with his wingmen and i dont think he would bring the grand fleet because he clearly experienced from the previous war how people died in battle and he wouldnt want the same with his nakamas. Sabo might have been captured as a revolutionary no.2 but they might have reported him death to lure out the revolutionaries but before the revolutionary army arrive, luffy does. This might be the after luffy reaches laughtale but its just my assumption.

[brisk mirage]

Final war will be an all out war with 3 main parties, and a bunch of minor ones.

1. Yonko (BB, Big Mom, Shanks, and Kaido if he survives Wano)
2. Navy/WG
3. Revolutionary Army

The smaller parties include Worst Generation, Straw Hat Grandfleet and any rogue kingdoms (Alabasta, Dressrosa, Drum, Skypea, Fishman Island)

They will all fight to the “death” as it is One Piece and 99% of the time no one dies, but the last man standing will reach Laugh Tale, regardless of if its Luffy or someone else.

[polar shell]

yes nice

y so long cool down? pls reduce the cooldown on this section

[ornate spoke]

this is probably already said but corocodile = luffys mom BC stitches and his "secret" from marineford

[brisk mirage]

Imagine saying stitches are hereditary lol

[silver vapor]

i hope this theory is wrong

[modest skiff]

The slow mode is specifically to discourage casual conversation and to encourage to post in paragraph form. Brief messages are discouraged here

[brisk mirage]

Minor far fetched theory,

I think Brook will reunite with Laboon right before the final war somehow, like Laboon senses the coming battle and travels to New World.

During the final war, I think Brook will sacrifice himself by trying to freeze Akainu lava when he’s about to hit Luffy. And Brook will be buried with his old crew.

[polar shell]

sad very sad but it is possible ngl

[ebon escarp]

i hope not i like brook

[willow rampart]

Imu was once part of Joy Boy’s crew and ultimately betrayed him, taking the WG for him/herself

[pure raven]

Maybe it would be better to make an actual channel with manga theories where people can put their theories , and another channel manga theories #2 where people can ping and discuss the actual theory.
It's better organized, I made the suggestion a year or more ago and no one took it seriously

[willow rampart]

Betrayal is a reoccurring theme in One Piece, Imu seems to know a lot about Joy Boy, how would he know or be so close without actually having met Joy Boy, I think similar to how Rock’s pirates are speculated to have been brought down due to betrayal, as well as Blackbeard betraying Whitebeard. Imu betrayed Joy Boy taking control of the WG for himself, fearing a new user of the Nika Nika fruit would one day appear and lead to his down fall.

Anyone have any theories as to the secret of Marie Jois?

[pure raven]

But betraying means there was a common enemy between imu+ joy boy against some one

I think luffy will destroy redline. Remember when there was a mermaid who guess stuff and guess luffy wil destroy fishmand island (idk forgot her name) maybe luffy will destroy the redline for the next generation‚ so they can sail at north‚south‚east and west blue. Luffy told rayleigh he will not conqouer anything instead he want to have freedom where you can sail everywhere.

[pure raven]

That's the oldest plausible theory ever known , I knew it since 10 years ago, your paragraph deserve deleting lol

[willow rampart]

Yeah I think they took on whoever was taking over the ancient kingdom together, and Imu betrayed Joyboy and sided with the victor, erasing history and his betrayal living in the shadows as a shadow ruler

[pure raven]

How about when oda said when were gonna see a one eyed man the ending of one piece is near? Some fans theorized that its gonna be luffy. At the last chapter we can see luffy but his left eye were all black

[pure raven]

Yeah I think that too , I may say imu even has some regrets deep inside as she till now has the straw hat as a souvenir

[willow rampart]

Yeah and maybe stays hidden from public as Imu doesn’t want it to be known that he/she is an immortal being due to the op op fruit. His/her immortal status would be seen as a threat to celestial dragons, so only a few really know he exists

[pure raven]

@willow rampart maybe Imu saw peace in siding with the enemy and joy boy saw peace in defeating the enemy
Like code geass Lelouch and his friend

[willow rampart]

Yeah that’s possible, how Dragon sees peace’s with Revolutionaries and Garp with world government

[hot heart]

I've heard mentions of there being clues that Zoro's old dojo being connected with the revolutionaries. What if because Kuina was seen as someone with a lot of potential, her death was faked and she was taken to work with the revolutionaries? Zoro will eventually counter her again when Straw hats get involved with the Reverie

[pure raven]

Interesting

[vast steppe]

Luffy Missing an Eye Theory: On Chapter 1049, close to the end, we see a few panels of luffys left eye being closed for majority of the time. At the end of the chapter we see his left eye completely blacked out. AND, In 2007 Oda said "in the final scenes of One Piece, there is one pirate who appears with an eye patch. I'm itching to draw this character" therefore we know that a character with an eye patch means that the series is coming close to an end.

[sand chasm]

Idk if anyone said this already, but Shanks might’ve been saved by Roger during the God Valley incident. Which would explain how he joined Roger’s crew. And Shanks might be a celestial dragon or of celestial blood which is why the world government wouldn’t dare lay a finger on him

[pure raven]

In Christianity Antichrist , is against God , and in Islam it said he has one eye.

So luffy being the antichrist of the world of one piece as he is against the tenryuubitoo .

Luffy one eye luffy D. Luffy antichrist 🤌

[vast steppe]

ayo valid, valid back up to that theory. cant wait to see what happens next chapter tho for sureeee

[brisk mirage]

Only issue with this is Oda uses Hindu and Buddhist influences in One Piece, I can’t remember any Christian themes

(Besides god Usopp)

[lyric shuttle]

i think that character hes talking about might be the original joy boy its to early for the final scenes

theres still so much we dont know about

[pure dust]

Mi Hawk has a lot of christian imagery , even his sword is a cross. and Kuma holds a bible of sorts

Not necessarily agreeing with the one eye theory, but just pointing that out

[ebon escarp]

Yamato also calls Oden's journal her bible

[gloomy kayak]

Guys i have a question . what happened to Xebec ? Did he die ?

[pure raven]

No he just went to the after life

[grizzled fog]

According to sengoku yes

[brisk mirage]

Isn’t there a theory about Rocks being frozen in Impel Down?

[grizzled fog]

I mean im sure there are multiple theories about rocks being alive. For now all we have to go off of is sengoku pretty explicitly saying he’s dead though

[frozen birch]

Don Krieg is Don Sai’s dad

[sand chasm]

Rocks is Imu

[narrow monolith]

no

[gloomy kayak]

Because some people say that he might be alive and hidding somewhere . thanks for the info

[sand chasm]

Yes

[untold bay]

Did Rayleigh know about Roger's childe "Ace" from the start?

[errant kayak]

d = freeDom

shanks is a goodguy

[modest skiff]

!theories @errant kayak @frozen birch

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using #manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description.

[errant kayak]

i wasnt joking

[modest skiff]

You are posting 1 liners. The intention of this channel is not to have casual chit chat. We have slow mode to encourage people to post paragraphs rather than brief thoughts

[errant kayak]

mm

[frozen birch]

wasnt joking either

[glossy shore]

This theory sounds good af

[brisk mirage]

Sanji vs Green Bull isn’t completely out of the question, but is Sanji at Admiral level yet? I don’t think Queen is at all.

[glossy shore]

End of story fight😮‍💨

[brisk mirage]

I get that, I’m asking if we honestly think Sanji will be at Admiral level at end of story.

[glossy shore]

Honestly I think he will, I mean he already has blue flames, and an exoskeleton similar to dead pool…

[brisk mirage]

Hm I’d say his skeleton is more Wolverine than Deadpool lol

[glossy shore]

And even if he doesn’t become admiral level, he can have a tag team with Yamato, that is if she joins the Strawhats

[steel shadow]

If this happens this is gonna be another Oda coincidentally being a genius moment with the black leg disease thing

[twilit heron]

Yeah sanji will be at the admiral level end of one piece. One thing you can't give sanji tho is conquerors haki.

If sanji gets conquerors haki, he is stronger than zoro by far lmao. Add conquerors haki to what sanji is doing now and any admiral is going all out.

[green basin]

if oda gave sanji coc he would give zoro something diffrent

[twilit heron]

What do you mean different. Conquerors haki is the end all be all of power. Unless you come up with some stan or chakra fan fic don't think your making much sense here

[green basin]

there is plenty speed boost, power boost or black blade for example

[twilit heron]

Bro you are making no sense. Zoros speed isn't gonna change. Speed is sanjis thing. Power is zoros. Rayleighs sword style is always gonna be more speed based than zoros.

Black blade is haki. And its not even conquerors its armament related which is weaker. Power boost is conquerors what are you talking about. The power boost for zoro in this arc was conquerors haki. No for the rest of the series he will he perfecting his conquerors haki and ashura into a mode. Power boost comes from haki what do you not get man. You clearly don't understand haki

Stop treating zoro like he is some beast the world of op has never seen before.

Garp, rocks, dragon, roger,luffy akainu wb blackbeard kaidou, even shanks, big mom . I have no reason to believe zoro will surpass any of these people.

The only people zoro is guaranteed to surpass is rayleugh and mihawk and the level of mihawk ranges from low admiral to strongest yonko in the community and I'm one of those who just think he is regular admiral level if not slightly weaker.

The problem zoro has with mihawk is that his sword skill is far superior and he has the black blade

[echo jetty]

I have a question, if zoro is power and sanji is speed what is luffy? Speed and power?

[twilit heron]

Yes literally luffy is speed and power. He shows speed feats greater than and comparable to sanji. He shows power feats greater than and comparable to zoro

• zoros armament and attack power will be on a relative level to luffys end of series
• sanjis observation will be on a relative level to luffys end of series and speed

Luffy is also the link between kid and law.

Law specialises in internal damage.
Kid specialises in brute force.
Luffy specialises in both

[hot heart]

if you guys think that's crazy, i have a theory that end game, yonkou matchups. Sanji vs BM, Zoro vs Kaido, while Luffy vs end game BB. #manga-theories message

[hot heart]

they all joined BB because they're all power hungry psychopaths, that also believe a lot in fate but also value their own freedom. they wanted to climb up the new world hierarchy, but since it's too tough to survive alone they gotta look for a crew - not everybody wants to become a captain too. but joining just anyone doesn't make sense since they are extremists. BB is the kind of dark character that would attract such extreme people. WB,BM,Kaido all rule their crews uniquely for example, and such characters wouldn't fit in that well - even Kaido's since in Kaido's case he'll probably limit your freedom to an extent. BB is more like a mafia boss that has tons of gangs working under him, and they are all allowed a degree of freedom.

[modest skiff]

Let’s keep the power scaling and power comparisons to #manga and #also-manga please

[hot heart]

I think this quote might confirm a view I've had. I'm in the camp that Wano arc is actually just a setup arc. It's not one of those arcs where SHs beat the big bad, and then go off to another island and a new adventure begins. The wano arc is actually just the first domino in a much bigger arc. There's been many clues. Kaido said he wanted to start the greatest war the world has ever seen. Kaido/BM alliance is still technically online. Riverie is ongoing and we've even seen Imu and the elders discuss about doing something big. Revolutionary army are currently active there too. Shanks meeting was recent, and the information he gave must be influencing WG right now. etc etc. All these signs suggest to me that something big is going to happen somewhere in the world soon that forces all the major powers to respond. The most obvious guess to me before was that something crazy would happen at Riverie, the fight between Kaido and Luffy would stop (maybe they come to a truce for now) and everybody would be dragged to Riverie and one thing after another would lead to a world war. But now I'm not as sure since Zunesha coming to Wano, Luffy Joyboy factors might imply some thing might actually happen at Wano itself causing the truce (not necessarily friendly, they might just end up thinking they both got better things to do) between Luffy and Kaido. Key point is regardless what happens, I've defo been thinking Wano is just the first domino - and Oda seems to be confirming it.

[modest skiff]

I agree with this. I think Wano is just the beginning. If you feel like it, here is where I talk about the whole point of Wano and what will change the world at the end of Wano #manga-theories message

[hot heart]

I've read it before, I felt it made sense at the time, but obviously there were too many uncertainties then but now I'm thinking it could be a lot more possible actually. 1) BM dropped into that hole? Could easily see her realizing a big eruption is starting up while down there. Oda isn't the type to just randomly do things for no reason. Why did he have BM fall down there? 2) Zunesha is there so Wano people have an easy method of escaping - they can just climb on its back. 3) A huge-ass eruption would make perfect signal to the 'start of a new dawn' and so on. I've mentioned it here before, I think that CP0 that ran away recently is a bigger deal than we think. I think that CP0 was there with 1 mission and that is to see if Luffy dies or he lives. If he lives, the deep state WG will think he's 'Joyboy' or whatever, and he'll be declared enemy number 1 of the WG. So it would be a great metaphor to signal the start of a 'new era' of the crews story line.

[late pier]

Rubber.

[hot heart]

lower chance 4) it's perfect setup for plot points where Wano people get a 'freedom' from Kaido to an extent. Zoro + Momonosuke will get a lot of character plot development in then too. I've still been thinking that the people who were saying Wano was going to be Zoro's arc were right, that he would get a lot of character development there -but that talk has dropped since not much has actually happened. However, I could imagine a possibility where the Wano people who have lost their home kinda struggle and Zoro + Momonosuke rise up to lead them through those tough times (prob not going to happen, but it's a possibility).

[pure raven]

Guranteed to surpass Rayleigh? Rayleigh prime or the old one?

[north cypress]

We don’t know either way but what you said is true

[polar jungle]

Kaido awakens his fruit and beats Luffy so we don’t get such a vanilla finish

[brisk mirage]

Kaido wins theory is played out. It’s a shonen, with 30 years of history. Subverting expectations works well in small situations, but having Luffy lose would kill off a huge part of the fanbase

[burnt osprey]

a lot of op fans forget its a shounen sometimes

[pure raven]

I'm like 90% sure that Law will use the eternal life Op Op No mi power to save Luffy from dying

[visual merlin]

that wouldn't really make sense unless the only thing he's dying from is lifespan loss

and I don't imagine law would use it anyway

[pure raven]

When luffy's gonna come to MarieJois at one point, I'd like to see him riding Zunesha, who's as tall as the Red Line (if I'm correct)

[green zealot]

This would be so inconvenient, Zunesha is super slow.

[brisk mirage]

I don’t think Oda would’ve mentioned the Ope Ope ultimate power as much as they have if Oda didn’t plan on Law using it on someone. Currently the closest person to Law is Luffy. The man that avenged Corazon. None of his crew is developed enough to be the receipient. Do you really think he’d use it on Bepo lol

[modest skiff]

@neat mirage @white crag @pure raven no power scaling discussions in this channel please. Feel free to discuss in #manga

[lavish verge]

what if in one arc luffy almost dies but law saves him with his fruit and law dies

[modest skiff]

Law's fruit prevents aging, it does not make someone invincible

[ripe geyser]

It’s actually said to have the power to make someone immortal. Immortality and not aging aren’t the same

[frozen birch]

I’d rather see law use it on bepo than luffy

[sand sail]

It's actually called the Perennial Youth operation, not immortality surgery. It implies it's anti-aging, not immortality

[ripe geyser]

Interesting

[vestal isle]

This isn't a whole ass theory but I feel like the party everyone is waiting for at the end of Wano might not get to happen. Seems like the end of the arc is super chaotic:

1. WG surrounding the island, and Zunesha showing up
2. Shichibukai are on the run
3. aftermath of the Reverie
   Kinda feels like there something will force the SH out of Wano and off to Elbaf.

Also, I'm a believer in this theory: https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/us9o0h/the_most_important_lie/. Basically, Luffy and Zoro will be out of commission after this battle and the SH will have to go to Elbaf to heal them. Now as for how the SH get forced off Wano I'm not sure, but I think it would make some sort of sense that the citizens of Wano and the samurai hold off the WG so they can escape. Basically Kid and Law say we're gonna go this way, you guys go to Elbaf and fix your captain.

Tbf I wouldn't be surprised if Luffy and Zoro are fine but Zoro's mink medicine is already stated to have terrible side effects and I think Luffy restarting his heart will have some adverse effects (also, the last panel of 1049 makes it seem as though Luffy is spent).

Would also be really fitting if what Luffy said to Kaido as he defeated him was actually his true dream and that being the last thing he says before he's out for a while

[steady prism]

If that’s true, then that makes Doffy’s statement about needing that surgery in order to use the national treasure so much more convoluted……jeez

[steady prism]

Interestingly enough, that toad oil looked similar to what Otoko tried to use to heal her dad after he got shot perhaps this will be a wake-up call and Ussop will try to redeem himself by l traveling to Elbaf to save his crewmates. While I’m not a fan of Luffy/Zoro being out of commission and the SHs having to run away from Wano, this theory would allow Ussop to get the freedom/autonomy to have his own “mini-character arc”, just like Zoro and Sanji

[vestal isle]

Oh nice catch, that would be a cool extra motivation for usopp. I feel like he’s in need of something like zoro and sanii cause he’s one of the original east blue members too

[steady prism]

My personal headcannon is that every SH (except Jimbe?) will get their own little “arc” post-timeskip….but we’ll see how Oda plays it.

[modest skiff]

My theory regarding that statement is that he would be able to survive a grand disaster (my world flooding theory) by sitting somewhere safe for long enough

[steady prism]

Let’s assume that anyone using this national treasure will be exempted from its after effects (i.e. they are going to be safe one way or another). Imo, I still don’t see how this “surgery” could be considered a requirement to access that national treasure (i.e. the tool that can create floods if I’m understanding you correctly). Well, tbf I’m sure we can come up with reasons, but I can’t think of anything solid enough to support this weird requirement. Hopefully I understood what you were implying right, lmk if I missed something

[modest skiff]

#manga-theories message flood theory

What I mean is that I think it’s possible Doffy’s plan for surviving the doomsday device is to park himself somewhere for so long that he would otherwise die from old age before the world was safe again. Once it is safe to come out, he takes over whatever enclave the CDs or Imu carved out for themselves and then rules the world after that.

The Doffy component of the theory is weak at best. If we assume he just needs to sit somewhere long enough to ride it out, he would still need food right? I assume so. It’s hard to think of a situation where he just needs to live a really long time in order to achieve his goals.

That’s why I don’t think the key to achieving his goals is the long life. I think eternal life just makes it so he can rule forever. I think Room allowing for Doffy to be teleported into somewhere or teleporting something out of somewhere is the real key here. I think there is an impassable barrier that requires Law’s fruit to get through

[pure raven]

there's a really popular theory about kaido being defeated but will get back up and help luffy to fight against blackbeard and the marines. Aside from that..I was thinking about the luffy grand fleet..they all have luffy's viver card..they might have seen it and are on there way to wano ..What do you think..?

[brisk mirage]

They would have to fight through a large fleet of WG ships, before even reaching Wano. And I’m not sure the SH Grand Fleet has the strength to beat the WG right now

[pure raven]

makes sense

[modest skiff]

I’m still a big fan of Kaido rallying behind Luffy once it’s clear he is Joyboy. Both him and King

[pure raven]

me too
but i dont think luffy will let it go..but also..he can do it when he is unconcious

[brisk mirage]

Yeah Luffy just can’t ignore that many evil acts. It’s 20 years worth of slave labor, genocide against the poorer Wano citizens, and actively poisoning an entire country.

People will bring up Crocodile to say that Luffy forgives former villains, but that was an alliance born out of absolute desperation to escape Impel Down, and he had water prepared so he could fight him at a moments notice. There was no trust there.

[pure raven]

also i dont think luffy will get up after this fight...

[brisk mirage]

I mean we are definitely gonna have a more serious version of the typical “medical treatment and post war feast party”. Maybe Luffy will be unconscious still this time

[vestal isle]

I don’t know about kaido straight up joining forces with luffy but i could definitely see them on the same side in a sense

[brisk mirage]

I have always hated main character medical treatment arcs, so I’m hoping Oda doesn’t go that route

[vestal isle]

SH grand fleet showing up would work too but i like the idea of wano repaying luffy for what he’s done for them so them giving him time to escape

[tepid nymph]

Devil Fruits are people/organisms, objects, or concepts (i.e. Brook’s DF) that the WG sealed into fruits 800 years ago

[slender fulcrum]

Or library of the Lost Kingdom they sealed into fruits to make their knowledge survive through ages

[pure raven]

Can Brook awakening help luffy?

[tepid nymph]

Brook awakening gonna be wild

[pure raven]

Also I don't think law is gonna help luffy by giving away his life.. He is not that kind of guy who will die for others.. He will definitely help luffy to find a cure tho

Also I don't want him to die yet..

[tepid nymph]

cure for..?

[pure raven]

Luffy is so much Exousted and injured that he probably will need a urgent medical treatment.. Bruhh he almost came back to life.. And is fighting giving his all..

[pure raven]

Cure is not the right word.. Hmm heal...

[tepid nymph]

oh. i think he’ll just eat and sleep

[lucid frigate]

Well sooner or later he will have to use it. There's no sense for that skill to exist if it will not be used, right?

[pure raven]

Yeah.. But his every other power will be useless too if he die...

[lilac zodiac]

What if at the end of this BM pirates arrive. You believe they will attack injured SH crew .I believe Katakuri will step out of a mirror to stop them and possibly join the Grand Fleet or him alluding that he saw what bringing luffy to deaths point would bring .

[pure raven]

Blackbeard.. Marines and Admirals are coming too.. They will probably need more than katakuri..

[lucid frigate]

Luffy will probably die of terminal illness just like Roger, he knew he was gonna die .

[lilac zodiac]

BM Pierates W/ Cracker and Kata please

[pure raven]

Don't do that.. Also that will be lazy writing.. Also I don't think that is the case..

[lucid frigate]

Luffy will surely die bc of his devil fruit

[wet glade]

what is the doomsday device?

[pure raven]

Let just not talk about this.. He is my favorite ;-;

[modest skiff]

I describe it in the linked theory

[lucid frigate]

He's everyone's favorite :)

[pure raven]

He awoke his df after he actually died lol , the devil fruit revived him in fact

[lucid frigate]

But he is not gonna do that all the time

[ebon escarp]

i think the big mom territory is being invaded (by blackbeared pirates) that was why Sanji's brothers were freed from their book-prison by the "mysterious" fire

[pure raven]

I'm gonna theorize it but I think he may have the ability to sustain his heart from dying as long as his actual body is intact and isn't serverly injured or imputed, due to his elasticity proprieties.

So basically undying.

May be killed

[lucid frigate]

U mean being killed with a sword or something else in his heart? That being the only way to kill him (or destroy his body)?

[pure raven]

Yes

[lucid frigate]

If it works like that he is not going to need the surgery (Law's ability)

[pure raven]

Law already treated him after the war , don't know why would oda make the same scenario 2 time in the story

[lucid frigate]

But he did not use the surgery

[pure raven]

Actually if oda want he can even give luffy self healing ability as his elasticity + mythical zoan fruit would enhance the speed of cells recovery.

Pretty logical but that's if oda want to .

May be its something luffy would discover after wano or other possibilities of awakening, like he discovered gear 2/3 before
@lucid frigate

[lucid frigate]

Nah, his fruit is already op, imagine a healing ability

[pure raven]

Kaido mythical fruit give him a strong tough physics so I don't know why it would be too overpowered

Like coating of haki still would counter devil fruits power

[lucid frigate]

I don't know... He has reached a great control of his fruit already. I mean we don't know its' limits

[pure raven]

Nah

Look he is a human zoan type .
A mythical.

The abilities we saw so far are his elasticity properties, like kaido blast and clowds and thunder .
Still kaido has devil fruit forms and powers up.

Till now we didn't see the actual power and abilities of his zoan side

[lucid frigate]

He is almost Yonkou level with the gear 5. If he improves his fruit even further, he will humiliate Blackbeard and the admirals.

Oda can't make it that strong...

[nimble wren]

Wtf is a gear 5 and who tf is Yonku

[lucid frigate]

??

[pure raven]

Having cells healing power up like ability wouldn't make him over powered

It would be just a boost like kaido resistance.

Black beard has 2 devil fruit can you imagine ?

Akainu has a broken logia did you ever see his awakening? Look what the fight of akainu against aokiji did to the island .

I think there is still much to improve luffy power and possibilities.

Especially conquerors haki

[modest skiff]

This channel is for the current manga chapter. If you are not caught up, please use #catching-up

[nimble wren]

Alr

[pure raven]

Proof is we always saw him eat a lot of meat to get his energy back , he digest very fast too ..

Before getting back to fight kaido he asked for meat

That would only mean that there is a cell healing factor due to his elasticity or zoan that luffy didnt fully use till now .

I dont know but maybe after his awakening, that self healing and restoring energy by eating factor will get a power up .

And he will be able to get cells healing boost .

[lucid frigate]

That is a good theory, hope its just a healing bonus. I would not like to see another power up/form, I hope he creates new moves but nothing more.

[pure raven]

I think and believe he would need it against logia type user.

Cause it would be very illogical to fight bar handed against a logia . Without some protection or healing .

Could haki protect him fully against akainu for example ?

[lucid frigate]

Hmmm, his haki is already pretty good mastered

[pure raven]

All yonkos use weapons so it logical to see them fight against a logia like akainu, like shanks did in the war

but luffy doesn't have a weapon
I don't know if I'm right or not but I think only haki isn't sufficient

[lucid frigate]

He might have to find a solution while fighting akainu. Obviously Haki isn't sufficient. Im just saying he has mastered it (as far as we know )

I don't rly see Luffy using a sword nor a weapon

[pure raven]

Yeah so he need some body boost like kaido
I suggest fast self healing but who knows what oda would do

[winter heron]

He's got those op sandals as weapons

If luffy gets a weapon it'll be ace, rogers sword.

[visual merlin]

Late but he'd jsut use it on no one. Oda can introduce a character who's already had the surgery

[tulip hedge]

or simply for an emotional scene where Law might be inclined to use it but Luffy or someone else doesn't want him to sacrifice himself and find another way around it or something along those lines

[void plover]

I don’t think Luffy would want to be immortalized by law and the ope ope

[steel shadow]

Yeah it would be counter his whole "if I die, I die" thing

[lapis prairie]

It was also used as an incentive for Doffy

[quaint frost]

we don’t know if it even works

[hot heart]

something like immortalization would be a curse for someone with a character like Luffy. maybe it could be done for forced drama, but i hope Oda doesn't do that. that sorta thing is for lesser shounens that don't have depth

[severe robin]

laws fruit doesnt grant immortalization, it grants eternal youth Two very different things

[hot heart]

u know wat i mean man. potato, tomato

[severe robin]

theyre very different but yea ig

[plucky rapids]

i most likely see law than katakuri, as much as he respects luffy as his rival i dont see him being disloyal to big mom

[lilac zodiac]

He is also Beat up and out

[modest skiff]

I think BM is gone for good and all that will be left is Olin. Olin is already allied with straw hats

[brisk mirage]

Nah. BM is gonna fly in on her new cloud homie after Kaido gets taken down finally, rescue him and flee so that they can fight in the Final War still

[summer urchin]

nonsense

[pure raven]

A theory I made : Shiryu will defeat mihawk towards the end of the series, and he will be the final boss zoro will have to fight.

[bronze spoke]

Don't underestimate mihawk.. shiryu isn't even close to world's strongest swordsman as per his feats. You can say that BB will try to gangup on mihawk, but then i don't see the point of doing so.

[pure raven]

Yes but assuming blackbeard will be the final boss luffy will have to fight, it seems rational that zoro should fight shiryu

[rose forge]

mihawk is not a yonko level

[bronze spoke]

Zoro def gona fight shiryu but that doesn't means shiryu gotta kill mihawk for that. Zoro can defeat mihawk and still fight shiryu. Both aren't contradicting themselves. Plus mihawk is free on seas now. How will people even know where he is at.

[rose forge]

mihawk 1 vs 1 vista in marineford, he didn’t win, how do u can say that is the yonko level, he is a commander level that’s all

[pure raven]

He is toe to toe with shanks

[bronze spoke]

Shiryu can't even 1v1 vista in that sense, that's how it is. One can only hope that his invisibility can even not be seen by observation haki, only then the chance of assassination seems plausible

[rose forge]

he was toe to toe with shanks, when shanks wasn’t a younko,

[pure raven]

and when shanks had an extra "arm" to use in fight

[bronze spoke]

I can't see shiryu strong than mihawk but dirty play... He sure can. I just dont see enough reason for it, even considering yoru. Will BB try to take on mihawk and get casualties on his ship just for a blade? Unless he is so confident that he can kill mihawk without damage.

[rose forge]

yeah but shanks wasn’t the haki master that we know

[pure raven]

yeah something like that probabbly, mihawk might be defeated by dirty play and then zoro has to fight shiryu (if blackbeard is the final boss)

[bronze spoke]

I feel like oda won't let promise be broken in one piece. Atleast promises of main characters. Luffy gonna meet up with shanks, Zoro gonna battle with mihawk. Maybe by the end of the series, mihawk or shanks may die, but oda ain't a heartbreaker where he needlessly kills character before they finish their promises 😂 Ace and WB had to be killed for Luffy's development. But now Luffy and Zoro are fully developed, so i don't think oda will go killing shanks and mihawk before Luffy and Zoro even meets them.. esp shanks as we see there is much more to his character.

[pure raven]

I mean Oda did just make luffy a sun god or something so we never know

But yeah maybe the final threat is much bigger than blackbeard, maybe Imu will be the one luffy has to defeat to achieve joy boys purpose, which in that case it will be interesting to see if zoro fights mihawk or someone else

[sand sail]

@pure raven Please read the channel description, this isn't the place for that

[pure raven]

Okay thanks sorry bout that

[fluid pier]

after wano arc to fight with marine to save sabo

when luffy save sabo, franky gets badly injured with his mechanical body and they go and see vegapunk to fix him

[lean finch]

Why Vegapunk tho, he works for WG, and WG is after the Revolutionary Army

[fluid pier]

cuz franky made his whole design and structure at vergapunk's homeland

and it might be that only vegapunk can fix that

[mighty karma]

engineer respect engineer

[fluid pier]

and there they find that last red ponegylph to laughtale is at celestial dragons

and i really hope it doesnot happen, i think in the process one of the strawhat pirate will die

[plain echo]

do you guys think Luffy's absurd poison resistance might become lore relevant at some point

[modest skiff]

It is already explained by Impel Down

[fluid pier]

i think it has already shown its relevant, when luffy ate that poison fish on the way to whole cake island

[plain echo]

idk, i feel like there might be something here because Oda constantly brings it back up with another villain that uses poisons or viruses

[fluid pier]

it is an possibility, but i think resistance is something you can build on and because it the permise of one piece. I think it will come in handy weird times

[tiny ocean]

Mihawk loses to someone that zoro defeats at the end. Then mihawk has an inside monologue about how zoro surpassed him.

I think this is also a walkable path for oda

[steep estuary]

crocmom

[bronze spoke]

But oda has set mihawk as unsurpassable in swordskills. I can only see that someone able to defeat mihawk either not being a swordsman or dirty play. Which won't fulfil Zoro's goal of being best swordsman.

[pure raven]

Shanks becomes a villain briefly

[split glacier]

Mihawk ain't losing to anyone but Zoro. There's a strong theme in OP of avenging scars given by opponents.

[pure raven]

Sabo will be arrested and put to death like Ace but Luffy will change fate and save him this time unlike ace

[shut scaffold]

but luffy wants to rush to navy hq after wano, but other strawhats wont let luffy get killed and then he goes somewhere and after that starts 2nd war

[ruby bear]

I don't think luffy will probably still go to baby hq WITH his crew. And the war will take place in navy hq(again)

[shut scaffold]

boi what u talking about i didnt say that the war was not going to happen in navy hq, like i said luffy wants to go but then hes gonna gather allies and then rush to the hq. And that is the war. I hope u understood now

[ruby bear]

I guess but it would be cool if it were like the war that happened in Marineford, and I think straw hats would rush into the base followed by their allies. I don't think luffy will ask them to join them, u think luffy will try to rush but someone from straw hats will probably suggest to split in two teams, one team-go to navy hq the other team-go and call back up from their allies

[brisk mirage]

From what I remember of my last read through of Marineford, Mihawk was not trying to kill anyone at Marineford seriously. He said that he was “testing” them. Or am I just completely wrong

[brisk mirage]

Oda is not going to do Brother Execution 2: Electric Boogaloo

[sinful dock]

dressrosa and alabasta had a lot of similarities. i wouldn't be surprised if we get a sequel

[shut scaffold]

nah bro they aint splitting, while luffy is raging about sabo's capture, hes trying to rush there BUT he will be stopped by other strawhats.

[buoyant perch]

i feel like shanks + mihawk will team up to stop BB and tht fight is near...cuz BB needs a major feat cuz of luffy....

[round moss]

I had an admin tell me my theory that zoro will finish off kaido wasnt a theory now it turns out on chapter 1050 he’s gonna finish him off 😐

[placid bay]

Yeah but has any of the scars been avenged yet :/ just saying xD

[round moss]

I guess they removed that admin Bc I don’t see his name anymore

[ruby bear]

Humm probably, but luffy already lost ace and is about to lose sabo . The crew will probably be considerate towards his feelings and we know that them spliting into groups is common. So that might happen, the group will most likely be like this
In navy HQ-luffy, zoro, nami, jinbe, ussop(idk the spelling)
For Informing the allies-Robin,Chopper, sanji,brook, Franky

[brisk mirage]

Sabo’s whole motivation as a character since he got his memory is back is “protect Luffy”. There’s no way that Oda is so lazy that he creates an almost identical arc with a captured brother up for execution and a war to stop it. It would be an incredible let down this close to the end of series.

[ruby bear]

even ace wanted to protect luffy but luffy ignored that and wanted to stop the ace's death.so consider luffy's personality, it would seem likely that they split up and I don't think that the grand fleet or any of the allies would come to navy HQ that fast. but that's just a theory.

[split glacier]

Because OP hasn't ended yet...

[dusky birch]

Zolos down for good , luffys down for good, but big mom pirates are still there, whats gonna happen

[earnest wind]

Sanji will get conq coating and also eat 18 devil fruits and one shot the rest of the big mom pirates (naw prob the fight is over or the rest of the samurai will do stm)

[dusky birch]

@earnest wind 2 people conq coating gonna be lame in 1 arc

[earnest wind]

Ok actual theory time. We know with people as Blackbeard, white beard, and big mom having their nicknames more popular than their actual names (teach, Edward, linlin) could there be any other people in the verse can have this same effect. And we don’t know their true names (maybe king queen and jack?)

[gray creek]

Big Mom and Peros are defeated. Kaido and beast pirates are down. WG is knocking at the door. There's a giant elephant. BM pirates will prioritizing extracting Big Mom and escaping

[gray creek]

King is Albert. The other allstars are almost definitely using pseudonyms

[lapis quest]

Yo just a thought but chapter 1050 coming out 10 years after luffy and law made their alliance to defeat kaido so kaido might be done now

[woeful forge]

i doubt kaido is just straight up done after this; the people of wano need to see that this is happening

[lunar shell]

Zunesha is not down. ||And there is Genbu as well...||

[pseudo maple]

yeah that would be fun, but, this, elbaf, laugh tale, blackbeard and im: how will oda-sensei be fitting all this in the five years he says he will finish OP in?

this is what genuinely worries me right now

[pure raven]

ofc, he'll surely fight Magellan again

[gray creek]

Why worry? It’s going to take as long as it takes but Oda will deliver

[vestal orbit]

zunesha needs to be ordered by momo who's currently out of it

[raw hawk]

There is who?

[gray creek]

Crack theory that one of the 4 gods in the same set as the Azure Dragon will be involved in Wano. Despite Kaido's fruit being the only member of this group we've seen. It became popular when we still assumed Yamato would be the Byakko

[pure raven]

I compiled my evidence for carrot joining in a single image, opinions?

[manic lichen]

i...have a theory which supports an older theory,
Brook as we know has ben shown to have been from a kingdom where he was in the military and then decided to set sail with the Rumbar pirates.
Now in the Sabaody arc, when Kuma was about to send Brook away with his power, Brook instead of being all serious and all was actually cracking a joke, he said "I WILL PROTECT YOU EVEN IF IT COSTS MY LIFE!!" and then he said "OH, WAIT, I AM ALREADY DEAD" which is his usual joke line throughout the series.
Now this is something BIG, since we also know that Kuma was also a ruler of some kingdom before becoming a Pirate, we can find a connection between Brook and Kuma in this way. Where Kuma being the king of that kingdom and Brook serving under him, thus knowing that would not be killing the crew and cracking a joke before disappearing.
Now you might even say that Kuma was not there 50 years ago! But we also know that Kuma was mostly a cyborg and his real age was never revealed. Also, it seems Brook might be lying about his age, since the time-gap between Crocus joining the Roger Pirates and the time when Brook met Crocus is crazy big, Brook was there 50+ years ago whereas Crocus was there in the Roger Pirates 26 years later. This really does not add up as Brook was also saying in one scene that he remembers the name "Gold Roger" as a rookie pirate, which is confirmed to have happened 26 years after Brook was killed.
(ping me if you are replying to this, as I am soon gonna go sleep, its past mid-night)

[lucid shale]

After re-reading the current chapter besides page 1 which could be an art typo anything after that shows Luffy left eye blacked out long story short could Luffy have lost his left eye?

[high orchid]

If he did I think it would have been pointed out

[supple ivy]

Something about shanks just doesn't add with me, he fr gotta be the strongest haki user out there or the weakest out of the yonkos. If he the weakest ill fr be disappointed asf cause the way he's potrayed by the wg and the amount of respect this man gets, he gotta be someone either very strong (with an INSANE amount and use of haki) or very important and i dont see that happening with Blackbeard, big mom or kaido

[pure raven]

brook's age doesn't like up well for me as well, if he was blocked on that ship for 50 how in hell was he supposed to know what was going on in the world?

[pure raven]

It won’t take 5 years it’ll take longer than that I bet 😂 I’d rather them take their time

[runic cedar]

Kuma's age was revealed in vol 58's sbs with the rest of the shichibukai, he was 45 pretimeskip and 47 post timeskip.

[modest skiff]

@hasty elk @supple ivy strictly zero other series references or any sort outside of #other-series please

[winter heron]

Thatd be so pirate like if luffy gets an eye patch

[stable leaf]

I have a theory on what one piece might be,
It might be the key to combine all the ancient weapons to destroy the grand line (with it Fishman island) to create the all blue.
This is possible considering 900 years ago, joyboy promised the Fishman island that he would destroy the Fishman island and have a world where all Fishman and other species live together. Sharley the fortune teller in Fishman island saw Luffy's future that is destroying the Fishman island which is definite proof that Luffy will find one piece one day and use it to do so.

[modest skiff]

It is not specified what exactly his promise was, just an apology for not fulfilling it

[stable leaf]

Yes, my theory on that promise is him destroying the Fishman island

[analog sun]

The only thing that makes sense to me is that he is indeed super strong with Haki (to the point of not necessarily being 'weaker' than BM or Kaido) but that we will see BB surpass him (to get a sense of BB as an unsurmountable challenge)

[hot heart]

I'm a believer of the theory that Shank's the best in the series at future sight. He's so good that he can literally stop time in a way for him. This is one of the reasons he was able to go toe to toe in swordsmanship with Mihawk, even though purely skill wise Mihawk is the better swordsman.

Apparently there was a video game in JP that had Shanks as a playable character and his kit was time-stop related and lots of 'red' colored attacks. There's also been hints that Shanks can see into the future somewhat because again his future sight so good, what he said to Coby for example (but that's a guess). when you look at each of the Yonko and try and guess how they fight, this type of fighting style suits Shanks too imo + a character like him deserves an awesome broken thing like future sight. + it boosts the significance of him trading his arm for Luffy - maybe there were ways to save Luffy with Luffy getting a bit hurt for example, but he chose to still trade his arm.

[proud tree]

theory (chapter 954) there are 6 ports in Wano, which port will open its borders to the outside world?

• Neko (cat)
• -Kaeru means change?** So is that the port Wano will be opened throug?** But also hen
• mogura means Mole
• Itachi Weasel
• Tokage Lizard
• Habu Snake

for the translation I used google translate so idk if its 100% correct

Also Wanos map looks like a human brain. Onigashima, where Kaido lives is where the Reptilian/Lizard brain is (Habu/Tokage port) is closest to it.
Ironically Kaido loves reptilians like Dinosaurs.
Wano will be opened through rational human mind Neocortex, open mindedness in port Kaeru, Neko or Itachi?

[hot heart]

makes a lot of sense, the 'opening' of Wano is one of the major plot lines in the arc. Oda is the type who probably thought that would be a nice symbolism.

[pure raven]

holding on to dear hope kaido and shiki win ☠️

[mossy oyster]

You know I think there's a good chance of there being a deeper relationship between the straw hats and King after this arc is over. Kaido wasn't even the one waiting for Joyboy it was King. I'm not saying he's gonna accompany them Kinemon style but if he was waiting for Joyboy for something specific I think he was just doing it out of obligation of being the last of his race and wanting to continue their tradition which is related to interacting with Joyboy in some way.

[silver vapor]

its one piece so old characters will get a huge reference from now on op is gonna enter its final phase (maybe)

[sturdy hound]

quick note on the names of the ports. each one of their names is a pun on animals, but the kanji used in them has a different meaning.
They basically match phonetically, so the reading or sound of the word carries two meanings. just like how "lead" and "led" sound the same in english but have different meanings.

• Neko port has the kanji 根子 which means "root" (both literal and figurative). The animal pun here is "cat" 猫
• Kaeru port has the kanji 帰 which means "return" (mostly appears in verb form 帰る). The animal pun is "frog" 蛙
• Itachi port has the kanji 伊達 which means "elegance (and/or faking it for appearance)" . The animal pun is "weasel" 鼬
• Mogura port has the kanji 潜 which means "submergence/concealment". The animal pun is "mole" モグラ科. This pun is pretty good because mogura port is where the concealed elevator is, so it's both hidden and like a mole tunnel.

The last two ports have some pretty weird kanji that afaik dont have proper meanings so we'd have to derive meaning out of the constituent kanji, or resort to the Chinese meanings.

• Habu port has the kanji 刃武 which means "blade force" in Chinese and could mean "blade war arts" in Japanese. The animal pun is "snake" 波布/ハブ
• Tokage port has the kanji 常影 which has no real meaning in Chinese (as far as my research went), but could be interpreted as "looming shadow" in Japanese. The animal pun is "lizard" 蜥蜴

hope this could be useful for your theory in some way.
and gotta say, the fact that oda did the mogura thing with the elevator means there's some tangible chance of the other names being significant somehow which gives your theory/thought process more credit imo

here's the Japanese panel for reference just in case

[dense haven]

it feels like oda's going for devils being turned into devil fruits, and their will is to be freed

[quaint frost]

in the end of the series after everything is over sanji will open up his restaurants in the middle of the grand line

[pure raven]

That would mean the straw hats would be disbanded.

That would also imply something would happen to the captain luffy

[pure raven]

What would be constituted as manga serious

[river acorn]

It makes sense really. Their crew does kind of mirror rogers in a way

[pure raven]

Serious discussions about plot events, character developments and maybe analysis?

[cyan berry]

#manga but with no random shitposting or off topic

One Piece 100% of the time

[shadow pike]

Where do you all think Scopper Gaban is?

[pure raven]

probabbly chilling at one of the last of the important islands, we saw all of roger crew at important places

[white prawn]

Shanks theory. Shanks is working for the world government. You might think why? That is because he knows Rodger had turned himself in, and because of that, he has no hate towards the government. Shanks was tasked with bringing them the gomu gomu no mi, as we know the world government has been trying to get it for 800 years. He was successful in getting the fruit, but Luffy ate it. This makes sense because why else would Garp let luffy be with a pirate, and not with the navy. Shanks then had the idea to let luffy grow as a pirate, getting to the point where Luffy is at now. We know that luffy has 2 out of the 4 road poneglyphs, the third being in wano and the forth was at fishman island. What if when shanks became a yonko, he took the fishman island road poneglyph with him and he has the forth. If I had to guess, shanks gives luffy a call over transponder snail telling luffy he has the final road poneglyph. This happens after the upcoming war arc. Post war arc I think Mihawk joins the straw hats as zoro’s mentor. Luffy goes to get it and head to laughtale with shanks. They arrive together, do whatever. Then shanks reveals his true nature and that he is with the government. Then, all the strongest in the government appear and try to capture luffy. Cause if they catch the pirate king they can actually put an end to the pirate age. But they ultimately fail, with luffy, mihawk and zoro fighting shanks in a 1v3 and beating him. Finally, the world government is beaten, luffy is Pirate King, freedom is given to the world, and happy every after.

Also, how else would shanks be able to get a personal audience with the 5 elders. If a yonko walked into Marie Jois during the reverie, it would be called off to try and fight him. But that was not the case

[random sequoia]

TLDR: Shanks is a rat, and I'm all for it lmao

[silent python]

This doesn’t even make sense bc the WG already had the gomu gomu. Lucky Roo stole it from Who’s Who’s ship when he was transporting it.

[random sequoia]

I think his overall theory has merit, but the evidence presented in this is a tad weak

[white prawn]

the world government never had the fruit. In the recent chapters, the 5 elders stated that: "It is almost as if the fruit itself as been avoiding us for 800 years." They have been searching for the fruit for 800 years, but never were able to get it

[lyric berry]

They never had the fruit in their hands but CP9 had it and Shanks stole it. If he was working for the government why would Shanks steal the fruit from the government

[modest skiff]

Evil shanks is disproven by this panel imo

[white prawn]

how? explain cause i don't see it

[modest skiff]

It shows Shanks has a legitimate, deeply held sympathy for Luffy and it isn’t just some show he’s putting on. He would not think these things to himself if he was working against Luffy secretly

[white prawn]

He also thinks about victory/AND DEFEAT, keeping a plain face. Other times when he talked about needing to see luffy, he would kinda smile, thinking about how much he has grown. He smiles cause the more luffy grows, closer he to being pirate king, closer shanks is to defeating luffy

[modest skiff]

I think that’s a bit of a stretch. I see him as entirely sympathetic and supportive of Luffy and wanting him to overcome an emotional struggle. But I understand a lot of people suspect he’s evil. I just don’t think there’s any evidence. The WG regularly has dealings with pirates, notably Kaido/Orochi with weapons sales. The entire idea of meeting with elders showing he’s evil is not strong evidence. There’s essentially zero actual evidence he’s evil

[prime goblet]

I think shanks is clearly showing that he has deep held sympathy for luffy and even wishes he doesn't make the same mistakes as his beloved captain, Roger

I need to reread but I'm curious what the world government is about to do to wano.
Very hairy affair.

[mellow berry]

Got to agree with this. If anything, Shanks reminds me of a Garp, but pirate version.

[torpid mist]

wg ships = usopp's time to shine ( i hope give my boy some time plz oda)

[tardy pumice]

Do any of you believe Oden's father is still alive? I think he might be, and would the shougun until Momo is ready.

[modest skiff]

I consider this theory canon because it’s so convincing #manga-theories message

[pure raven]

did luffy lose a eye?

[boreal gate]

Queen betrays Kaido, as Queen is affiliated with vegapunk, so they take Kaido as a hostage for experiments

[quaint frost]

i meant after it’s over and they all did the thing and maybe sanji wouldn’t work at it but the old crew he had would move there

[boreal perch]

I think someone will arrive in Wano in the next chapters

[eager frost]

@pure raven

[deep fractal]

just had a thought could captain john treasure be god valley

[eager frost]

Buggy taking the treasure while Luffy and BB is busy fighting would be something special.

[steady prism]

Yes, someone is definitely coming to the straw hats, hopefully while they're still in Wano. There’s actual mythology that is pretty much analogous to how the OP story has gone since the Reverie arc: #manga-theories message

[summer saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/gol-d-roger-one-piece-laugh-gif-21028191

Guys

I discovered the One Piece. It was always in front of our eyes

I'm like this.

[pure raven]

The One Piece is actually a key to the ancient weapons and once all are activated can make the world melt down like a nuclear reactor

[summer saddle]

The ancient weapons are the step for the One Piece to exist.

Without the ancient weapons they will not be able to fulfill Joy Boy's promise to Fish-Man Island.

[mild spire]

Theory* 5 elders know shanks stole the fruit (hito hito no mi model nika/gum gum), and they knew he had possesion of it. So what if the marines respected shanks because they thought he ate the fruit or he still has it somewhere and now he met the 5 elders to tell them that luffy actually has it. That makes sense because 5 elders told CP0 to eliminate luffy.

[feral pike]

I think shanks was the leader of Sword

[severe sentinel]

Kaido's Flashback:

To even engage with the possibility of Kaido rising once again, the continuation of his flashback is essential. Some readers believe that Kaido's flashback is over or that it will be continued in later arcs - for example, Whitebeard's flashback is often cited as evidence for Kaido's flashback being postponed. What the citation fails to account for is that Kaido's flashback is essential to answering questions within the Wano arc itself and questions related to his own (vague) statements in Wano. Unlike Whitebeard, Kaido is shrouded in mystery to service his character and the unknown of Wano. For example, Kaido's motives for coming to Wano are essential to answering why Wano is special.

The obvious answer is that Wano is where Joyboy shall return, however, if that was true and Kaido's flashback was concluded in 1049, Oda would have made it explicitly clear. Instead, Oda placed emphasis on the old hag who lured Kaido into Wano because of its potential to create weapons.

Of course, Wano's capability to produce weapons would be of evident interest to Kaido as he desires to conjure the greatest war the world had ever witnessed. However, the underlying narrative focus is on Joyboy coming to Wano and Kaido's interest in fighting against him. The very focus of the 1049 flashback was on Kaido's desire to create warfare and anarchy - thus answering one facet of his character. The focus was consistently brought up not only in his speech to his army but also in the old hag's analysis of human nature. Kaido's viewpoint was solidified given the very context of his childhood and, presumably, time in the Rocks pirates. His obsession with strength and it defining his very self are logical given how those with strength used him, thus as a victim he knew that his weakness resulted in his imprisonment, to remedy his reality, he became driven with the desire to be the strongest. Whilst one facet of his character was emphasized, others were not. Again, coming to Wano services one part of his desires, the other being his need to fight Joyboy. Wano's history is essential in deciphering why Joyboy would return there. Destiny is not the only answer as in the narrative, certain events must be explained. For example, Luffy being Joyboy was not only because he was destined to fulfill the role, rather he had certain characteristics that allowed him to fulfill the branching destiny. Given the distinction of destiny not being the only answer to unfulfilled questions, the mystery of Wano should be answered by the current instigator and emphasizer of said mystery - Kaido. The mystery of Wano was established in Oden's flashback, but evidently, not even Yamato definitively knows why Kaido is there. In their battle, Kaido belittles Yamato, suggesting that he may know more than her. What does Yamato definitively know?

Putting the two together allows one to speculate that Yamato knew of Wano's importance to Joyboy's return, but only in name, or she is missing key details that only Kaido knows.

If Yamato knows as much as the reader and Kaido definitively implied that he may know more, logically, Kaido would be the one to explain his motives and Wano's true importance. The question of Wano's true history was set up to be answered within the arc itself as the history is fundamentally linked to Kaido's motives. Several mysteries were fully established in Wano, most prominently Sun God Nika, said mysteries were answered in Wano. The mystery of the very island itself will be answered in this arc as it would be another piece to the overarching puzzle. To add to the patterns in which mysteries were resolved in Wano, Kaido is the one with the answers to Wano's mysteries, thus he must present them to the readers. Given Kaido's definitive knowledge of Wano's true history, the readers must be made privy as to how Kaido learned said history. Furthermore, Yamato only mentioned Joyboy after receiving Oden's logbook, meaning the beast pirates already arrived on Wano, thus Kaido already had Wano in mind as being special. To add, when Kaido met King, it was implied that he knew of Joyboy (given his callous response to King's assertion of him being Joyboy). With his prior knowledge of Joyboy and his vague statement regarding Wano's secrets, the connection is evident. Kaido introduces his knowledge of the most pivotal piece of Wano's secret - Joyboy - and he introduces his knowledge of the finer details of Wano's true importance, meaning he must be the one to explain his mysterious knowledge.

Kaido's Suicidal State and Desire to Attain a Great Death:

Yet another unknown of Kaido's life is why he became suicidal. Of course, there are hints, yet there is no definitive answer, meaning one of the most important parts of his character must be resolved. Why does Kaido desire a great death, yet at the same time he still desires to change the world? The two ideas seem contradictory, yet in Kaido's mind, they work in unison.

He likely wants to begin the world's greatest conflict to get revenge on the Celestial Dragons and possibly engage with other extremely powerful individuals, such that he can die in a great battle that he began. Regardless of the theories, one may conjure, the true answers lie in Kaido's upcoming extended flashback. The most obvious culmination of his aforementioned desires is one in which he declares "Death is what completes a man."

Given the vagueness of the quote and its importance to Kaido, it must be answered

Kaido's View of Onis and the Mystery of the Species Itself:

In Kaido's fight against Yamato, he seemingly projects his own experience as an Oni onto Yamato following his evident disappointment with her progress.

Kaido's statements relate not only to his reputation as the "embodiment of brutality," but also upon reflection - the way in which he achieved his frightening status - his Oni lineage.

Experiences form viewpoints, evidently, an experience related to Kaido's Oni lineage formed his misinformed opinion that humans and Onis cannot coexist and that Onis are fundamentally superior. The experience may have already been shown in 1049, yet Kaido's dialogue does not reflect any indignation towards potential prejudice towards him due to his lineage, or his views of Onis being superior, he only showcases indignation at the fact that he is not a political bargaining chip, thus he subsequently believes that the Vodka Kingdom should not take the Celestial Dragons seriously. Either Kaido's experience related to prejudice will be shown or Kaido will state his struggles as an Oni in the context of scenes already showcased (the throne room in the Vodka Kingdom), the latter being the most likely. Another interesting facet that could be explored in Kaido's flashback is the origin of Onis, however, the pure lore of Onis may be answered through Yamato's storyline as it is not contingent on Kaido.

Established Moments in Kaido's 1049 Flashback:

The structure of Kaido's flashback suggests that the moments in Kaido's showcased will be expanded upon. The snippets showcased were teasing readers by spiking their interests by revealing some things but keeping others secret. Beyond the unresolved parts of Kaido's character, 1049 raised more interest in occurrences that not only defined Kaido but also occurrences that could showcase long-awaited character interactions or lack thereof.

The beginning of any character's story often involves an event that controls the foundation of their arc and personality. Kaido is no exception to the standard narrative practice, even within 1049, his childhood experience controlled his actions in later parts of his life, thus his beginning is essential to understanding his very motives and essence. The mystery of Kaido's view of Onis in relation to other beings may be explored in his childhood phase flashback sequence, including the origin of the Oni species. Given the importance of the event in 1049 (the structure for Kaido's future flashback), the event would, logically, be explored the most in Kaido's upcoming flashback. Because all of Kaido's future flashbacks are contingent on his childhood experience, it must resurface as the most dominant of his life. Additionally, the Vodka Kingdom may be further explored in his flashback to further expand on the world.

Kaido's Teenage Years:

At the midpoint of Kaido's life, there is no evidence suggesting his alcoholic depression has taken hold of his very being, meaning his suicidal tendencies would logically rise in this time span. Later in Kaido's life, he took extreme actions in an attempt to commit suicide, the desire did not result from his childhood, nor did he recently develop his suicidal tendencies (he appears to have attempted to commit suicide several times in his adulthood), meaning his time in the Rocks pirates greatly influenced his perception of himself and the world. Also, the very fact that Whitebeard teased the possibility of Rocks and Kaido's meeting means that it will occur in Kaido's flashback as it is directly linked to him. Additionally, Kaido abandoned the Rocks pirates for unknown reasons, meaning that plot detail will be revealed soon.

————— End of Part 1—————

[half nymph]

Is One Piece gonna be World Peace? Cause the world will be mutually united and freed by Luffy

Luffy is gonna destroy the red line and unite the world and create the all blue

Maybe he'll punch the red line, creating the wave that was felt around the world, everyone knowing his name. Although they'll probably use the big poneglyph weapons

And seems like is highly One Piece + Luffy is highly inspired by Sun Wukong's Journey + Buddhism, becoming much more obvious with the explanation of Haki, Ryou, Flow

[primal cargo]

I agree with most of the things you've said this far. Obviously we've got more backstory from Kaido coming, to explain the side of him that was completely ignored in the 1049 flashback, that is his view on death.
If by chance you've read my BMKK post, I theorized that we will get a full on Rocks flashback in which Rocks's death makes Kaido fearful of having a forgettable death himself.
It would be weird to get a full-blown flashback immediately after a teaser flashback, so I don't know if that will happen right now. Though if it's a flashback on the time of Rocks specifically, then it makes sense that we would get a preliminary flashback of all the parts of Kaido's life that will not be shown in the main flashback.

[primal cargo]

In my opinion, the reason why Kaido came to Wano has nothing to do with Joyboy, and 1049 confirms it. Before Yamato brought up the name, it was only a legend that King had told him about once. It's only when Yamato drops the name that Kaido makes the connection between Joyboy and Wano.
There's a secret about Wano that goes beyond "why does everyone know that Joyboy will come here". Something about Wano is key to Kaido's plan for making the world of violence.
Probably these are different sides of the same secret. Along with Toki wanting to go to Wano, Wano being mentioned in Laugh Tale, the neessity of opening up the country... There is probably one big reason why Wano is so important to everybody.
Though I'm not sure that has to be reavealed in a flashback. I believe we've got an Act 4 coming that will be all about the secret of Wano and what to make of it in the present. We've also got Zunesha present to potentially serve as a catalyst to start that portion of the story.

[pure raven]

Why would he tell the marines that though

[pure raven]

Luffy fought the marine in marine Ford, and fought cp agents to save robin before so they already know he has it .

In fact at that point in my opinion is that the G5 took councious that luffy may be able to awaken the fruit

[odd canopy]

?source2

[pure raven]

Theory that shanks is not a traitor as every one think he is just because he met the Gorosei .

(Picture 1) shanks knew that the world government was searching for the gomu gomu fruit before he stole it from who's who .

After luffy made so many achievements he knew that luffy as the Holder of gomu gomu fruit become a treat to the WG , and they would soon go after him because of the Devil fruit like they did to ACE because he was Roger's son .

So he went to the Gorosei to tell them not to touch luffy / take him down .

Here (pic 2 ) the Gorosei are talking about shanks as a dangerous strong side watcher not some one that has ambitions to take the world government down , they are not talking about him as an ally (traitor) .

(Pic 3/4) the Gorosei are talking first about robin as a treat and she should be aprehended (not killed ) but after that they talk about killing some one ( a nuissance ).

it's about killing luffy because he has that mythical fruit they want for 800 years .

But the point thats illogical is that they want to hide the fact they would kill luffy but from who ? He is a pirate . So why hide that they killed a criminal in the eyes of wg and the peoples. So they hide it from some one else . ⬇️

They say : (it wouldn't be out of place for some one to die unexpectedly in a war involving kaido and big mom ) .

The point is if we add the fact, shanks went to warn them about a certain pirate .
It would mean they want to kill luffy without shanks holding a grudge/ war against them .

[autumn sandal]

Do you think Yamato is entering straw hats

Joining* sry I'm not English

[lucid shale]

They would hide killing Luffy cause doing so would probably cause more of a rift between the WG and the royals that Luffy helped liberate. Think about the reverie where every one was talking about Luffy helping them and then the leaders wanting the warlords abolished.

[pure raven]

Its a point yeah, but I cant agree with it ,cause those royals like alabasta or the fishman king or dresorosa ,are too insignificant in the eyes of the celestial dragons . And what rift could those dying countries do ? A single buster call would end them .

Compared to a yonko like shanks

[strange delta]

guys
remember on episode like 876 (not accurate) when shanks reacted to luffys bounty after defeating big mom?
i think the island he was on was laugh tale, like no joke because it was covered in fog around it, and on the image of laughtale crocus gave us, laugh tale looks like its rocky on the sides and edges, and thats where he was standing on a rocky side.

[loud solstice]

there are a lot of islands like that in one piece .. that’s why Oda made laughtale look like that in that picture so it would look like every other island in one piece and we wouldn’t be able to tell lol

[strange delta]

u sure? i havent seen any?

another theory

i think shanks is guarding laughtale, and that was roger's request. thats why when shanks said "i think ill see you soon, luffy" maybe he thinks that luffy is getting close to reaching the end of his journey to laughtale, and thats why he thinks that hes gonna see him soon.

[feral pike]

shanks dont know where laughtale is

[strange delta]

even if he doesnt, he can literally just ask rayleigh for the address because rayleigh knows where it is, and remember when rayleigh said that him and shanks had a convo and he told rayleigh about luffy. yeah, exactly.

[worn fox]

It could be that Shanks did find Laughtale yet saw the One Piece, and knew it wasn’t for him to fully take; meant for Joy Boy. I think Shanks just knew that Luffy would rise to his level though; and they’ll either clash or work as one to take down BB. I think Shanks is true, and will work with Luffy to kill BB before the final war

[strange delta]

yeah

[steel shadow]

I could Shanks being a way of "final straw hat training", with good intentions to ensure the crew is ready

[worn fox]

Shanks never defeated Kaido though; there is a poneglyph in WANO

[worn fox]

I think Shanks knows that Blackbeard is going to be just as formidable as the Navy / Marines forces themselves and knew that the future lay in Luffy’s hands - after he ate the Gomu Gomu no Mi. This is why he risked his arm in a split second decision while he panicked to find Luffy that one day at Foosha Village

[steel shadow]

I think thats also why Shanks made sure to tell Luffy his fruit's power, and knew about it himself. Just because someone has a DF encyclopedia doesn't mean they have it memorized, yet Shanks knew exactly that it was the Gomu Gomu no Mi. Of course, I don't think Luffy eating it was part of Shank's grand plan or anything, but I think while that was an accidental occurrence I think Shank's actions as a result of that were thought out by Shanks.

[worn fox]

It’s also possible that Shanks knew he was no match to become Pirate King with his power, just as Whitebeard knew Blackbeard would not be the one. The Gomu Gomu no Mi was the ticket past his plateau and maybe Shanks knew this. So when Luffy ate the DF, and had ambitions as high as becoming Pirate King at age 7, it was then that Shanks realized there was hope. Shanks aspired to reach Roger, but in the same was as Zeff fell short of his dream and gave Sanji the nod to achieve it for the both of them, Shanks did the exact same for Luffy. He saw Luffy shared his dream and he gave arm for him so that he can achieve the same goal. Shanks even has Usopp’s father on his squad. Shanks and Luffy are similar pirates with similar ambitions

[pure raven]

What if shanks wanted to give that fruit to ACE thats why he staid in the island for too long searching for ace, Roger kid, knowing that the one eating it was meant to be joy boy

And so it was shanks mission to deliver it to ACE

[steel shadow]

There's no evidence Shanks even knew Ace lived on Dawn Island, and he made no attempt to even meet Ace as far as we have seen (Ace had his first meeting with Shanks way later if I remember correctly), but its an interesting idea. Unlikely, but interesting.

[worn fox]

I doubt it. Shanks is a pirate not some charity case. Why would he give it to ACE when he barely knew him besides one meeting at random at sea? He had intentions to become Pirate King himself if he meant to reach Laughtale as he said as a child and apprentice to Roger

[pure raven]

Yes , no evidence but an assumption that shanks staid there for Ace
ACE was born in east blue

[steel shadow]

Ace was born in the south blue (said west by accident oops)

[pure raven]

Shanks was on Roger Crew , maybe in laugh tell they knew that gomu fruit was a key .(joy boy )
But they didn't have it at that time .
Roger was dying
And they maybe left shanks with the mission to get it .
That's why when he knew who's who have it , he stole it from him

[half nymph]

Griseo that's totally plausible honestly, if Shanks knew/suspected Garp was taking care of Ace and wanted to assess the sitaution.

Who Who looks pretty cool

[pure raven]

Yeah probably, cause it would be without reason or meaningless to put the fact shanks stole the fruit from who's who ans stay in east blue that long in the realm of coincidence.

And not that there may be a reason like it's linked with the grand plan and the fact gomu fruit is linked to laugh tell and joy boy

[half nymph]

Well if it is accurate then it is linked to the grand plan haha

And it doesn't have to be that Shanks wanted to necessarily give it to Ace, but just knowing Ace's situation is useful to Shanks' position/situatiln

Just wanted to reiterate, Luffy gonna destroy the Redline

[untold jay]

Could be someone else who'll destroy the redline

[half nymph]

I was thinking the weapons, but who? Who who?

[hot heart]

wow bro great theory. finally something that actually makes the Shanks meeting make sense

[pure raven]

i was thinking about blackbeard and where he could have gone. i think he went to alabasta and here's why: he has a shitty ship. he never really cared about getting one as it was just a means of transportation for him, but what if he changed his mind once he saw that cobra got executed and that it was the perfect opportunity for the strognest crew, his crew, to gain control over the most insane warship there is?

[spice tulip]

Franky recreates the blueprints for pluton and they use that? He’s clearly smart enough from all his work such re-engineering his body creating the sunny and creating general franky. I’d say he’s second to vegapunk in engineering.

Pluton is also meant to be a boat right? Maybe he fixes up the Noah from fishmen island and that becomes pluton and they use that along with Poseidon

[strange hound]

Theory:The dream of the original 4 yonko and even bb in a way are integral quarters of luffy's true dream that in chapter 1049 was presumably expressed to be so that his friends could eat as much as they want which is essentially his way of saying they can have as much freedom as they want to eat which for him is as basic as it gets for being free

1st up is whitebeard:his troupe of having a pirate family and the notion of it being beyond blood essentially nakama as we know is an integral part of luffys character as he can go above and beyond to help his family...this is where the calculative mind of shirohige interferes as a major flaw in this respect...he let oden perish as he did in an effort to safeguard his family but luffy on the contrary risked it all to save robin not giving a sing fk about the odds

2nd up is big mom:her troupe of unification of all races without discrimination... but her flaw being she does it through inducing fear which luffy dosent support

Also in totto land she forcefully took their span while luffy in her place would give them a choice, a will of their own per say in the matter...he won't save them if they don't wanna be saved..like he asked robin

3rd up is kaido:his dream is to strength his comrades and himself to a degree that no one could take away from their freedom...in luffys own words as he is speaking to the dark king about how he needs to be strong to protect his family...but kaido took it a bit too far in a sense that he only deems strength to be important in this world now forgetting about why he wants to be strong in the first place and thus as a result wastes away knowing he is the strongest and no one could beat him instead if being happy he is truly free to do anything he wants!

The yonkos hoave secondary problems like wanting to make people physically their size forcefully, giving death too much importance etc

4th up is shanks:his dream not totally know till now but from what we know maybe is to live a carefree life partying away and exploring places; truly the bliss of a pirate living in the moment.. luffy also wants this ofc... shanks fault is still vague

The 5th one finally is black beard:He is the antithesis of luffy...his dream is also freedom taken to an extreme and has resulted in gluttony:for food, power and desire as a whole....he presumably has a dream ro conquer the world and desires revenge for things done in the past... luffy is above revenge and we know now form his convo to tama bout ace...

So finally luffy learned and will learn still from facing against these powerful foes what each of these dreams represent and what could go wrong Makin him the perfect Candidate to be joy boy

Thats it!

[pure raven]

Any Blackbeard theories.. The character always be mysterious to me.. Sometimes he is like a wimp.. And in next sec he become a villain.. Still so much to know about him

[tacit zephyr]

You mean Blackbeards

[pure raven]

Yeah.. Idk about being multiple blackbeards theory.. But multiple personality .. Yes

[warm edge]

Well first, the gomu gomu is a threat to the WG itself, so they would go after luffy, yes - even if shanks threatening them, they would still go after luffy because of it's importance, and no - they did not go after ace because of the df, they did so because of him being Roger's son, and even so they did not chase him, he was brought to them by bb sooooo

but overall, nice theory

[pure raven]

There's a theory going around that luffy is actually son of Roger and ace told everyone that he is his son that he can save luffy.. Idk about this theory.. There are some flaws.. But good theory... Luffy may be his son.. Coz both are almost same.. With looks.. Personally.. Dumbness

[strange hound]

I would be against it:it will undermine a really good dynamic btwn dragon and luffy

Add only a table spoon of substance to a set in stone character like ace and would imply inherited genetics instead of inherited will

[cyan berry]

keep dumb jokes out of this channel

[pure raven]

Just a theory... ✌

[rigid dust]

thats just stupid

how on earth would luffys mom hold in luffy for 5 years?

[pure raven]

Heard in many YouTube videos... Also one of the youtuber have 500k subscribers...ik theory is dumb

[strange hound]

Wrong side of the one piece YouTube fandom mate

[rigid dust]

and the only resemblance is the black hair
people like poitning out similarities in crews but luffy is going for a mroe of a similarity to shanks, minor point but luffy will never have tama or young momo stay on his ship because shanks didnt do that

[pure raven]

Dragon name for a girl doesn't sound right.. Maybe she changed the name after she changed her gender

[rigid dust]

and luffy has huge resemblances to garp like a TON

[pure raven]

Momo have wano to protect and tama probably will be his wife.. So they will not join or will not be able to join.. Either way.. I want yamato to join crew..

[rigid dust]

same but its shocking how many people want momo to do the same as oden did when

1. momo has already sailed on the sea with future pirate king and as a baby he did sail with the king
2. momo isnt in love with the sea like oden
   3 momo is 28
3. momo has a country to govern he has sbabbards to help him
4. luffy doesnt have kids on crew.
5. hiyori could be shogun until he is prepared but it wont take long and also hiyori could be first lady non incestual way

[pure raven]

He maybe 28 now.. But is not mature enough to govern a country... I think he was wait for a while before he becomes the leader and mature.. Till that hiyori will take things in hand

[rigid dust]

thats what i put at number 6

[pure raven]

I typed it before you edited it.. ;-;

[pure raven]

I mentionned Ace as to say/mean that shanks didnt want the same mistake that happened with Ace to repeat itself with luffy .
So to avoid that, he went to meet the gorosei .(I added this point )

I didn't mean that they killed Ace for devil fruit lol . Pretty obvious they killed him because he was Roger's Son.

But thanks

[lean pine]

Gin is greenbull, chapter 56 cover page has sanji riding a greenbull, he happens to be fighting gin same chapter, greenbull hasnt eaten in 3 years, that lines up perfectly for when sanji fed gin

[lyric berry]

I know this is a troll comment but that is def not a bull and it’s def not green lmao

[pure raven]

Well the tattoo on his eye is green bull

[modest skiff]

I will give the benefit of assuming this is not a joke. Just fyi not all covers are canon. Even if we assume the timing and stuff lines up, this is not canon.

[lean pine]

This cover isn't canon but its hinting at gin being greenbull

[gray creek]

Timing actually doesn’t line up

[lean pine]

Yes it does 1 year plus 2 year timeski0

[gray creek]

It wasn’t a year between east blue and the timeskip

Ands it’s hardly been a few months since the skip

[lyric berry]

I don’t think a cover page, chapter number or color spread has ever confirmed any foreshadowing beyond community mental gymnastics

[slender fulcrum]

He never sold Luffy to the Gurusei somehow. He was, and he is still, warning every one he can about BB. If that means going to the higher up , then so be it.

[rugged vapor]

THEORY Dragon has the Hito-Hito
no Mi Mythical Model: God of the
Rain.
"The Most Wanted Man in the
World" may have gotten his title after
stealing one of the four God fruits
from the World Government, giving
him the powers of a Storm/Rain God.

[dawn thorn]

This reminds me of the Noland flashback

[worn fox]

100% I believe it's gonna be Luffy who destroys the Red Line now

[polar rivet]

I'm still not sure on the Red Line being destroyed in general

[pure raven]

No it’s not I kinda liked it but it’s not likely

[serene arch]

During luffy's take down of the villain he usually incidentally destroys/hits the villain against the sought object/system/structure they are standing to protect or represent. A gigant bajrang gatling being used against imu as he hammers her across the world and then freeing everyone

[lapis prairie]

Kaido will awaken next chapter. His suicide hobby is not because he actually wants to die, but because for something that strong to awaken, it takes death.

First we have to assume the flying dragon form isn't an awakening already, which is evidenced by his ability to maintain the form, Momo having the form and it not exhausting him, and (this is an assumption) the form's ability to be hybrid.

The three rookies were able to awaken this arc. For Kaido to not have an awakening is ridiculous. If he has awakened, to think that someone this skilled at battle wouldn't pull out their strongest move, but instead he used...

Kaido's fire form
Strategically, it's terrible decision. After we watched them learn that Luffy can punch Kaido without touching him, during what was clearly Luffy's strongest attack, Kaido makes it so it has to be an advanced conquerors hit, and WE KNOW THAT IS WHAT HURTS KAIDO THE MOST.
I know you all thought Kaido doing that was fucking stupid. Even if you think that what I'm writing is utter bullshit, you know Kaido going fire, Oda making that decision, is dumb as rocks. Unless...

Kaido ensured the punch was potent. He wanted to get hit. He wanted to die.

Luffy died.
Kaido has advanced observation. He was able to tell after their first clash that Luffy though he looked dead wasnt, and beyond that, Kaido felt Luffy looking at him. Kaido not being able to tell that Luffy is dead would be a plot hole. We think it's a plot hole, or we accept Luffy died on the roof. That means for what we've seen, one out of one times for mythical zoans, it took a death to get an awakening. -I feel this may get questions about if that means Yamato died. I don't think that is her awakened form.

Suicide being a hobby.
Besides attempting it, Kaido doesn't show traits of being suicidal. He's a heavy drinker sure, he's definitely prone to fits of passion, but when he stood up in front of Kidd, Apoo, and Hawkins, he was talking about wanting to go out in a fight.
He has never stated that he wants to die. He has long term goals. He sets them and goes for them. A suicidal man doesn't believe that death is what truly completes a person.
Suicide being a hobby is for sure badass, but there is no reason for Kaido to have it as a hobby. Everything else Kaido does is to make himself stronger. He is a man of extremes. This is a man who gets caught by the navy to eat.

He's a man who seeks death as that is the only way to ascend.

As Kaido said, awakening is when your mind and body are finally able to harness the potential of your ability. I think it must take a reset. For the mind and body to be able to harness the potential of godhood, they have to be reborn (sort of like Jesus)

[pure raven]

Kaido wants to die to strong boy

[lapis prairie]

Yes, to ascend. Great comprehension skills, bucko.

[pure raven]

That wasn’t a jab at you lol

[strange hound]

Ok considering kaido has an awakening

[polar rivet]

It hasn't been explicitly stated yet whether Kaido is already awakened or not.

[strange hound]

How would you want it to look like?

[sand sail]

Don't be toxic here please

[sand sail]

This is more of a question for #also-manga

[full venture]

Even so, he's gonna have one

[polar rivet]

You can't assume that. Awakenings are not guaranteed for every fruit user. We have only seen a handfull actually confirmed to have awakenings out of all the characters in One Piece. (Katakuri, Impel Down Zoans, Doffy, Luffy)

[pure raven]

isnt whos who awakened as well? chp 1017

[polar rivet]

He has a hybrid form, but nowhere in that chapter does he state that his fruit is awakened

[shell niche]

Kaido's fruit is already awakened https://www.opfanpage.com/2022/03/08/kaido-has-already-shown-us-what-his-awakened-hybrid-form-looks-like/

[pure raven]

it doesn’t have to be stated its just obv

[polar rivet]

Thats not how awakenings work at all dude lol

[pure raven]

its similar to the awakened in impel down. thats what i said lol

[polar rivet]

we've seen multiple zoans with hybrid forms, the only one that was stated to be awakened was the Impel down ones

[pure raven]

i bet joyboy is the one who created the devil fruits (dont ask me how, that's Oda's job lol)

[pure raven]

thats what i said. whos whos form was the same as the impel down ones

[sand sail]

All of this convo can be taken to #also-manga guys

This isn't the channel for it

[polar rivet]

no its not, they are both hybrids, they are not both awakened. If all it took for Zoans to be awakened was a hybrid form, then Rob Lucci was awkaned at Enies Lobby, and Luffy would be dead. @sand sail its theories about Kaidos awakening what do you mean

[sand sail]

Who's Who was not awakened, Kaido has not been confirmed or revealed it either. Continue in #also-manga

[sand sail]

@pure raven Go ahead and take that to #also-manga or #manga-serious please, this isn't the channel

[lunar shell]

Jack Bauer also died but was revived with drugs. As long as you dont die too long your heart can bit again.
Also the voice of someone disapear even if you’re still alive. Ask Ener or Aisa.

If Kaido isnt awakened then its cuz Oda dont care for it in this case and will probably say something like : only certain fruits have an hidden power / some fruits awaken as soon as the user eat it ( BM have much more power than her adoptive mother )

Maybe Oda think its a good finish to have Kaido on fire for the last move. Extinguish his flame on the fire festival just as onigashima is cleansed from his fire or whatever.

The rules are being broken over and over in this manga anyway. Oda seems to care about meaning more than credibility.

I do agree with you on Kaido’s mindset regarding death. It’s a fulfilment for him, classic warrior mindset.

[primal cargo]

Kaido is an awakened user beyond the shadow of a doubt, because he explained to Luffy what Awakening is. The question is what his awakening consists of. Imo one of two things can happen :
1: Kaido gets "revived" with his awakening, similarly to Luffy, and resumes the fight
2: It is revealed (probably in a flashback) that the dragon form was his awakening the whole time, as some have theorized

[keen vault]

i think option 2 i more likely since his fruit is the fish fish fruit: model dragon and he had to work towards his dragon form starting from a fish and slowly evolving over time

[slate mirage]

"fish-fish" is just the category. Evey mythical zoan has one. Did Yamato start as a dog, or Marco as a simple bird and his awakening is his phoenix form?

[primal cargo]

I don't think they did, and I don't think Kaido was a fish either. But it is entirely possible that the Azure Dragon fruit is a special case. Especially now that we've got the Nika fruit as precedent.

[lunar shell]

Ok. Well Oda did say it wouldn’t end with just a big punch, and Kaido is still alive so its a problem.

But it feels like the fight is over for me and Luffy should be out of stamina by now.

[visual merlin]

Oda didn't literally mean it couldn't end in a big punch for the record

[lunar shell]

He said something like : I dont know how Luffy can defeat Kaido, a big punch wont be enough this time, something around that.

Luffy is G5 so its not just a big punch but still

[visual merlin]

he said he doesn't think it'd be satisfying if the fight is as simple as luffy just winning with a big punch, but thats just to say it shouldn't be as easy as luffy shows up, 1v1s kaiod, and wins with a stronger punch, but luffy getting help, losing multiple times, and getting multiple powerups such as g5 solve that

so he never meant literally the fight can't end with a big punch

[lunar shell]

“When Kaidou appeared for the first time, I said that Luffy can’t defeat such a strong character yet. And I’m yet to know how Luffy would defeat Kaidou. Probably my audience will not be satisfied if the reason for defeating Kaidou is just because Luffy’s punch is so strong. Luffy and I have to find a solution somehow.”

Here is the quote. Aligned with what I’v said

If Kaido lose now, its cuz he lost to Luffy strong punch. But nvm its not important

[visual merlin]

And I just explained the quote lol

[tender mulch]

Luffy always defeat opponent with a strong punch. The only way I can see luffy defeat kaido without using punch is using that big sword we saw in onigashima.

[slate mirage]

I don' think anybody can explain Oda's quote, it is left ambiguous on purpose

[visual merlin]

Its not really left ambiguous, it seems pretty obvious he never meant that it was impossible for the fight to end on a big punch and be satisfying

[pure raven]

Coating of conquerors haki too with a punch

[lapis prairie]

No, that makes no sense. Him knowing about awakenings doesn’t exclude my theory, in fact it supports my theory. I used his knowledge in my post.

[lapis prairie]

Jack Bauer? Dude this is one piece.

I think we can assume Kaido isn’t awakened because there is no fish anything with his fruit.

[lunar shell]

Ok then I rephrase : Oda said it shouldn’t end with a strong punch.

[visual merlin]

that doesn't change it, the point is still oda was not talking about a strong or big punch specifically

luffy is inevitably going to end every fight with a punch

[lunar shell]

The strongest has yet to awaken his fruit ?

[lunar shell]

No. He can win with tactic, helps, talk, thunder, feet…

[lapis prairie]

Yes, because as my theory states, it takes death to unlock and he’s been too strong to die

[visual merlin]

Which will all end in a punch. He got help and tactics, and yet the fight ends with a punch

that is the point

[lunar shell]

The problem with that is the core of this theory. It start from something weird

If you mean really dead then ur dead its over ask ace.

If you mean near death, then Luffy was in impel down and marinford already

[lapis prairie]

It’s one piece dude. And you read the theory. What points do you disagree with

Yeah. It’s a gamble. It’s also a different death. Beaten to death vs a hole in the guy. Why do you assume Kaido thought Luffy was dead when he wasn’t then

[lunar shell]

He can repel Kaido attack.
He can do weird stuff with his fruit, even if its a punch, if the raw strengh is the main part of it, its not by a strong punch that Luffy win you know

[visual merlin]

Gotama

the thing oda said is not saying he doesn't like the idea of luffy winning with a punch

if that was the case, that just wouldn't be luffy's fighting style at all

Oda didn't want the fight to be simple, he never specifically wanted it to not end in a punch

[lunar shell]

Told ya. The postulate.

I disagree luffy awaken cuz he died.
I disagree he died.

[lunar shell]

It is how I understand it.
I take it as : this time I wont do an ending like doffy for eg.
Yet this is what we get, so either I m wrong or he changes his mind
On a side note its out of a G5 so its not like the regular fight overall at all, so its indeed a new way to prevail.

[visual merlin]

You are not trying to see what Im telling you

Oda didn't want the fight to be simple

and so he made it not simple

it ending on a punch doesn't mean it was simple

[pure raven]

Well luffy getting as giant as kaido is not that simple either lol

[lunar shell]

« Is just because he win using a big punch » I do get it

[untold jay]

it's like zoro vs pika, i think. It was more a haki battle than punch.

[visual merlin]

Its more than zoro and pica, the entire fight is made to be not simple

that is the point of the multiple losses and powerups, and help from over a dozen people as well as being saved and fed

it just so happens luffy uses punches still, and so thats how the fight ends, but oda achieved the goal of making it not simple

[lunar shell]

Yes this Gear 5 is not simple I agree ^^

[visual merlin]

I didn't even mention g5 explicitly 🤦‍♂️

[untold jay]

I didn't said the level was like zoro-pika, i spoke about the haki battle. And everyone his point of vieuw. Me, i found it simple, but others not. It happens every battle.

[lunar shell]

I m sorry I read « the entire fight is made to be not simple » and I thought of g5 and wanted to comment on it.

I d like to apologies for going out of my way and talking about something you didnt mention specifically.

[untold jay]

what is hard to explain is the nika version of the fruit. Why now, why the gov just recognised it, ...... Still waiting for the explanations. Every time i try, i find something going against my idea. 😕

[lunar shell]

What about this one #manga-theories message

[lapis prairie]

Also there is the idea that this is how mystical Zoans work… not logias.. as I stated

[lunar shell]

Just tell me why do you think Luffy died in the first place. That’s my issue here

[lapis prairie]

Well you didn’t, I replied that before you edited. — what do you think theories aren’t but postulations

[untold jay]

thanks. i already had some same ideas. But it doesn't answer the fact they didn't purchse him before. A good idea is that the stretch is only a part of the power that was not used by the others users. They used perhaps fire, thunder or something else. It would explain why they didn't give him credibility. But....

[lunar shell]

It does answer that ^^ Oda can’t explain this to you cuz there is no means to explain it. Its a plot hole.

[lapis prairie]

As the post said, kaido with advanced observation, who saw through what others previously thought was a dead Luffy, thought Luffy was dead on the rooftop

[lunar shell]

Since when does advanced observation tell you if someone is dead or not ?

[lapis prairie]

Fine, regular observation haki but he’s really good at it

[lunar shell]

Same question with «  regular observation »

[untold jay]

even like that, he could find an explanation that make the story more relevant. For that, we have to wait until he'll give explanations....or not. XD

[lapis prairie]

Because you can see life around you. It’s been shown to do that.

Also as I said, we had this exact same situation before

[lunar shell]

If he could, why not give it

@lapis prairie I ask again : Since when does regular observation tell you if someone is dead or not ?

[untold jay]

I think it's the opposite. They feel them alive, but when they not feel them anymore, it's like they are dead.

[untold jay]

Because like you said, he just figured out that idea. I think you're right. He just have to give a good explanations. Idf he does it, he'll do it after the battle.

[lunar shell]

When plz

[untold jay]

that's a speculation, theory not a fact. I could be wrong. Now you say that, when did they say they feel the deads?

[lunar shell]

Cuz here is my issue.
When Ener and Aisa have those reading on people that are « dead » well they werent actually dead. They just can’t hear their voice cuz their life force bit too low or whatever

[lapis prairie]

Fine, it wasn’t observation, it’s experience form the battle field. Really, what matters, is that this ALREADY HAPPENED. Like exactly, and kaido knew he wasn’t dead.

Why do you think Kaido knew Luffy was alive the first time and not the second?

[lunar shell]

Same reasons he thought Luffy wasnt Joy Boy. He was wrong.

[lapis prairie]

So a plot hole. Do you not remember that scene? Kaido said that not only was Luffy alive, but Luffy was looking at him, with the same white eyes

[lunar shell]

He must have thought. He has to be dead after that. Luffy was probably seconds from death indeed. His hearts restarted before he died is all.

If you awake cuz you die then where is Ace

[lapis prairie]

Ace is a logia. I say that’s different than a mythical zoan. As per my post.

[lunar shell]

Right right. I forgot about this rule.

[untold jay]

i agree with that partially. 50/50. Perhaps oda wanna enter a dead world story or there is a level of ko that even kaido cannot feel it. Both are possible.

[lunar shell]

Another issue anyway is : Did Luffy killed Kaido ?

[lapis prairie]

He got Kaido to the place where Kaido will awaken

[lunar shell]

Its death right ? As per your post.

[lapis prairie]

Obviously

[lunar shell]

So you say Luffy just killed Kaido in the previous chap.

This is a other issue I have with your theory

[untold jay]

We can bet for nothing. ^^. I bet he's still alive but destroyed. Enough to see moria coming to him with a big smile. Saying thanks to luffy at the same time. ^^.

[lunar shell]

Dat Moria fellow. I wonder if he will ressurect Roger/Rocks like he did with Ryuma. I wouldnt like it its cheap but he have the wg and BB paying too much focus on him..

[untold jay]

for the fact that the zoans have their own will, could have their origins when they were created. An example. Something huge happened (linked to the science) that made all existence trapped in a fruit. 1 element of each stuff in a DF, even the humans. And the real joyboy was alive this time and trapped in a DF. Him other human being. But the big problem. Each human should be different, not the same. Or with some witchcraft, could only those who were there during the event that are trapped and were powerfull too. A little too big, but some part of the story seems possible

[primal cargo]

What makes no sense ? I didn't disagree with your theory at all

[lapis prairie]

Not you, I was replying to Gintama

[modest skiff]

And @lunar shell strictly zero other series references please

[lunar shell]

Yes. Usually I say : «  like in this other manga »

[modest skiff]

!theories @last yoke @tropic gale

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using #manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description.

[kind canopy]

what if the nika fruit only awakened because its true name/ awakening was mentioned? Like how in a lot of cultures, names are believed to have power, and acknowledging the existence of luffys power allowed it to manifest a more complete form. heres a couple of supporting points:

1)the fact that the fruit had its name changed might suggest the WG had more to fear about the fruit than just its awakening on its own.

2)this power up didnt have any noticeable queue aside from the elders' convo

[tropic gale]

my theory was serious

[modest skiff]

Saying it is serious is not sufficient. You can't say "silly theory but" and then drop a one liner. This channel is specifically for high effort theories with explanations.

[last yoke]

my theory was serious tf

[modest skiff]

You described a non-canon devil fruit and gave zero evidence why you think someone has it. As above, it isn't sufficient for you to just think its true. We ask for more than that in this channel. Thoughts like the one you posted are great for #also-manga though

[tropic gale]

My serious theory is the redline itself is the One Piece treasure and Joyboy wanted everyone regardless of race to move on top of it or something like that…wouldn’t it be safer for everyone in one piece world to live on redline not other way around?…especially if it’s indestructible…maybe Joyboy original journey was ppl who wanted to find out what the Redline was because think about hard it would be for regular humans in One Piece 900 years ago to travel to top of Redline…once they got to top it was actually an habitable place better to live on than the dangerous ocean islands filled with sea monsters…think the Celestial Dragons basically live up there peacefully with no worries. So if the Redline is the One Piece what is the Grandline?...The Grandline is basically a way to keep people off the Redline by making a dangerous sea near entrances to Redline and was created in the Void Century by the three ancient weapons….Poseidon powers created the calm belt, Pluton destroy a lot of islands, and Uranus created violent weather in Grandline.

[pure raven]

You started nicely , I find it interesting about the red line part but about the grand line being man made I dont agree with that

[tropic gale]

yeah its iffy but alot of theories think redline is man made not the grandline which is weird since the only ancient weapon we know of controls the sea kings and we all know the calm belt with alot of sea kings surrounds the grandline on both sides

[pure raven]

I will ping you later when I would write my theory about this, I just dont agree red line was man made

[tropic gale]

another reason i think its redline is because of road poneglyphs being red, like its a subtle hint

[lunar shell]

The gorosei talk about a new cleansing. Maybe Grandline is a consequence of that ?

Red line and grandline were probably the result of this war 800 years ago, that seems to split the world into pieces, allowing more control for the wg I suppose, that rule in his center.

If someone destroys said center, then I guess the world will reunite trough this one piece peace

I hope not its boring.

I hope the one piece is one piece. A little coin for a grand aventure.

[hasty cairn]

guys, have you seen Marshall D. Preach’s newest video about him “revealing” the one piece? its actually really interesting, i would list off the things but there are too many details about it + its an hour long video

[strange delta]

i sawwwww man it makes so much sense and if his theory is wrong then no other theory is correct

[hasty cairn]

it makes sense, but its not as satisfying as if oda revealed it in front of us by luffy reaching the one piece but what if oda even intended for us to find the one piece before luffy

[lunar shell]

Wow so the one piece is Luffy´s story ? But how come people from the past know a story from the futur. No sense dude.

[hasty cairn]

i think he explained that in the video aswell, it would be the biggest plothole in the theory

[lunar shell]

I watched it quickly like 10% of it. Since I think I understand the big idea here.

I guess he havent solve this part then. K.

This isnt even the main issue here. Anyway

[prime patrol]

Can you imagine Oda literally pulling "One Piece was really the friends we made along the way"?

[warm edge]

imagine if the one piece is actual one piece of the whole treasure which roger just came too early for, and that's why they laughed, as they couldn't take the world goverment to unveil the full "one piece" to the world. lmao

[warm edge]

nah fam it's a physical thing he confirmed it.

[pure raven]

It's possible but the thing I don't agree with is that he sayluffy is one piece

[warm edge]

@strange delta @hasty cairn well, I would have watched it, but, imagine if it's actually the thing, even though the chance is really really low, it would have just spoiled this big adventure and the hype won't be the same, so i'd rather just read the manga and wait for the actual thing.

[pure raven]

The probleme would also be , when luffy go to the island he will learn of his own future ? What he has to do ...
But wouldn't that mean the one who put luffys story/future there just dictating what he should do ? And it's not a future prediction...

Wouldn't that mean that joyboy is writing his own future ? As he is luffy ?

[lapis horizon]

Simple theory Blackbeard has rare logia devil druit rare paramecia devil fruit maybe he has rare zoan type fruit which allows him to eat two devil fruit

[obtuse halo]

https://youtu.be/_6siMROoImk

It’s about time for this video to blow up.

Everything makes sense.
The One piece is finally discovered for real.

[worldly pebble]

Theory 1020-1021 Zoro father

[modest skiff]

@obtuse halo @worldly pebble we ask that people elaborate on their posts here rather than drop quick 1 liners. If you think a video is good, explain the gist of what the video says and why you think the ideas in it are good.

[pure jewel]

Theory : BlackBeard is currently in wholecake in search of pudding because she can read the poneglyphs, it might be the perfect occasion for him because a big majority of the big mom pirates are at wano, so I think we might have a fight between katakuri and black beard, I mostly think this fight will happen off screen but hear me out on how it will end.
Wano just ended and we get the chapter after it ended and we see in the first frame with a zoom on a very similar mouth with a of blood then the next frame we see katakuri really beat up and tired then we see a double spread of BB's crew,
katakuri proceeds to say:
"You really think i'd let you come to mama's home and take my younger sister and let you get away with it"?
after that BB proceeds to say "let us take the little girl and we'll let you alive"
after that either we get to see the end of the fight or we don't (fight ends up off screen) and we see katakuri dying in the last panel saying in his head
"Straw hat, please don't let a man like him become the king of the pirates" and dies like a chad. Imagine luffy knowing about that It would make him want to beat BB even more,
let me know your thoughts

[crystal tree]

highly doubt katakuri dies lmao, especially off screen

[pure raven]

What if kaido is already awakened?.. And I know people will oppose it by saying that momo can also use that full dragon form.. But we also know that momo's fruit was a failure.. So what if the failure allows the user to use it's forms without awakening..and Ik how it will be a failure if u can awaken without being awaken..?.. So about that... Awakening without awakening makes it weak and also hard to control...idk.. Maybe..

[sand sail]

Nothing Kaido has shown has been an awakening so far, and this is more of an idea for one of the manga channels. Try out #manga-serious with it

[ivory finch]

I have a theory about the spiral eyes in one piece, There are 4 characters in One Piece with those eyes, 1 of them is a different personality (hakuba), and here is when my theory starts, what if those eyes indicate a different personality

Like what if we already know who imu-sama is but they just a different personality, ||Luffy has those eyes rn and he seems like a different person||, we don’t have that much info on mihawk but what if he is permanently stuck with his other personality

i don’t have that much evidence beside hakuba but you can give me more evidence if you want

[pure raven]

||one piece is luffy||

[peak coyote]

||cant be ||

[tender forum]

gotta respect the video's length

[lapis prairie]

!theories

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using #manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description.

[pure raven]

That theory is illogical , cause Rayleigh said to robin I may tell you where laugh tale is but you may get a different conclusion that Roger's crew got .

Also joyboy is linked to the awakening of the Devil fruit model nika , that would mean by his logic the real one piece is not luffy but the Devil fruit itself ....

But Roger as his final words , one piece does exist go find it ...

Does he mean go find luffy ???? LoL
@hasty cairn @strange delta

[pure raven]

** Fate Theory **

The world goverment has told us that fruits have a will of there own , people have a will of there own ( willpower / conquerors haki )

I believe that the higher your willpower to meet someone you will meet them and such is why Shanks met luffy coming from the theory that Rogers told shanks to find joyboy

Whoever luffy meets all wish for one thing freedom there willpower is limited but they still have to will to want freedom

Another way you can add fate to the one piece is the fact that in chapter 237 BB ( Black Beard ) States "If our will is strong... ...We'll meet them again"
That shows how fate connects you to someone so what if the fruits that BB ate had a fate connected to him or.. Thus he sought out the yami yami

WIP

BB controls fate. ( this part is a joke ) this theory is a wip

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/978199718674984990/978199821653532692/unknown.png

[lunar shell]

If Luffy’s will is strong then they will meet again cuz will is the strongest weapon in one piece.

Obv those with the strongest will are fated to meet each other. Eg Luffy vs Chinjao : just replace the arena with the whole world and its Luffy vs BB.

I think such is the reasoning of Blackbeard. Not that he believe in fate, at least not through those words.

That said I do believe fruits have a will and are choosing their wielder. Same logic than with those cursed swords.

[green monolith]

could those eyes also be for pple with mythical human zoans

[lunar shell]

Sengoku and Mihawk wont agree imo.

[green monolith]

word, but if there was a sun god what other mythical zoans could there be?

[lunar shell]

Idk… Maybe a Moon God ?

[rugged sand]

Hakuba is mihawk

[rose forge]

earth god

[ivory urchin]

Kaido will awaken soon, it'd make no sense for him to be the biggest villain so far and not have an epic awakening moment

[willow rampart]

Not everyone has to awaken

[placid bay]

Well there is possibility for a future fight as it has somewhat been teased, a Zoro vs Kaido and Sanji vs Big Mom. So we might not see it just yet or we might ve already seen it and not know it yet.

[visual merlin]

what do you mean?

oh you probably mean awakening, fair then, but those fights are definitely not happening

[placid bay]

Yeah it was meant as a reply for @ivory urchin. How are you so sure that it will definitely not happen? (genuine question)

[visual merlin]

There's like a dozen reasons, but mainly that luffy just beat kaido, and zoro is completely passed out, mostly same for Big mom and in Sanji's case he cannot fight a woman. Plus, its unlikely either of them will ever be strong enough to beat those 2 characters

[placid bay]

I did not mean in this arc at all. More likely in a final or close to final arc. It is very likely that they will get to that strenght, Zoro has already been shown to be able to use Conquerors haki on his swords also Mihawk is definately on Shanks level of power who is on Kaido's level of power. The road ahead is still big there a shit ton of things to be revealed and Sanji and Zoro already beat the strongest commanders and they both still have a lot of potential and space to power up. IMO they are both definately going to get yonko level power.

[visual merlin]

Kaido is not likely at all to survive past this arc, Big mom we can't be sure of either. Its not certain Mihawk is on shanks' level, but even if we say he is, we'd still need to explain how sanji ends up that powerful. There's not much road ahead, luffy even after all the help and powerups he got, including g5 which he himself calls his strongest self, barely beat kaido, so thats not the sort of person sanji or zoro are gonna ever be able to beat I imagine. And you'd also have to explain why zoro and sanji are fighting the emperors of all people anyway

[placid bay]

If I had all that info it would ve been a proper theory and not a mere speculation. And yes the road ahed is big, I ve put down everything thats has not yet been shown/answered and there are a lot, IDK how Oda intends to finish in <5 years xD

[rose forge]

he already has

[placid bay]

can you be more specific? what did we miss xD

[rose forge]

he is a yonko, like bigmom who has awaken, and he has multiple form. I think he is

[visual merlin]

every zoan has multiple forms

and it isn't made clear that big mom has awakened either

[placid bay]

Oh you meant that he has the power, thought you meant he already showed it. Well it is highly likely that they are awakened but nothing is confirmed AFAIK

[rose forge]

they are yonko, there is few people who are that strong, how do u think they aren’t akawen

[pure raven]

How is Kaido going to be removed from Wano? Arrested like Doffy or going off the grid like Big Mom or Enel? With Big Mom she sank but with Kaido how is he going to be physically removed from Wano?

[visual merlin]

being yonko doesn't mean you have every ability. It is sort of hard to imagine he doesn't have it based on the context of it, but its not been shown or stated yet for him, nor has it for BM so that doesn't work as a point

[visual merlin]

kill him

[placid bay]

Doubt anyone in wano is capable of doing except Luffy and Zoro

[visual merlin]

there's several others who can

as long as he's already defeated

but sure either way he'll die I imagine

[placid bay]

How are you so sure can you elaborate?

[visual merlin]

Because several others were shown as capable of damaging him

if he's on the ground they can just stab at him and kill him

[placid bay]

Can he be stabbed thought, MAYBE Law can but anyone without the ability to put Conquerors haki in their weapon, I think is unable to kill him. At least that's the impression I got.

[green monolith]

it’d be fitting for him to die. He’s done some fked up stuff for two decades

[visual merlin]

Yes, every scabbard was capable of stabbibg him, Yamato has cocting, Kid can damage the yonko badly, and ofc you mentioned law

either way, there's people who can kill kaido

[pure raven]

I think he’s not ‘arrestable’ like Doffy or Croco, or can be just left on the Island like Moria, he has to be removed somehow or be killed. But then he can’t exactly be carried off, his ego won’t let him be booted off the island. So he might be the first villain to actually die.

[green monolith]

if he doesn’t get killed by people of wano then maybe his crew like king just escapes with him

[pure raven]

But Kaido doesn’t retreat.

[green monolith]

true

[primal cargo]

#manga-theories message
How about this ?

[rose forge]

yes they are yonko, there is like 8 people we know that has the yonko level, they are 100% awaken

[pure raven]

This is plausible. For me in a similar way I think BB is going to siphon Big MoM and rest of her crew. But I don’t think it will be Big Mom taking Kaido’s soul… for me I always imagine Oda to place Big Mom and Kaido as sort of on a similar level like rivals. I don’t think Oda will ever pick out a winner between the two

[visual merlin]

this doesn't adress anything I said. Being a yonko does not mean you have every ability

[placid bay]

Well Kaido was defeated, I put my money on him leaving Wano and never coming back because of that. IMO he is an honorable person that's why I think he will leave.

@visual merlin
I don't think the scabbards, Law and Kid can kill him, maybe injure him but not kill him.
Yamato probably is capable of doing it but I think will be unable to do so bc Kaido is her Father and I think Yamato is not a person who will kill anyone like the strawhats.

On this topic do you think Kaido can be killed with Kairoseki sword/spear?

[primal cargo]

Makes sense. I think either way neither of them is staying in the story any longer than Wano. So I imagine it as a sort of "last stand of the old world" rather than a proper victory for Big Mom

[placid bay]

But ti is highly possible that they are awakened. It would be safer to assume that they are than that they aren't

[ashen surge]

I just read this for the first time and I like it, adds lot to my own: #manga-theories message

[visual merlin]

If they can injure him, its possible to kill him. And Im not sure to the last question

[placid bay]

IMO for those injuries to become fatal they would have to do it repeatedly for a long period. I don't think one piece is that brutal.

[primal cargo]

Yup, this whole debt thing hasn't really led to anything so far. Arguably the same can be said about Big Mom's presence in Wano as a whole

[ashen surge]

I don't think everything has to have an actual impactful payoff, I just think it does add to the Big Mom's character flaws how she's doing the rounds of reminding everyone how much everyone owes her while she ends up getting defeated alone

I agree with your character analysis but not necessarily with the bit that big mom would take kaidos souls, that would require that kaido thinks he owes anything to big mom.

[rose forge]

yes it’s means that because they are the strongest, and after them there is the pirate king

[visual merlin]

Cool

[magic igloo]

anybody has any idea when next ch spoilers will be out

[visual merlin]

maybe like wednesday night

but there's never certainty

[high orchid]

Kaidou ain't going down with just one giant punch from Luffy's new form.
Oda tried fooling us by showing Kaidou's flashback about who can beat him.

Someway, the capital is gonna involved.
Momo VS Kaidou is coming. Dragon wars in the skies of Wano capital.
A view of Wano's Shogun VS Wano's enemy.

[visual merlin]

Maybe he won't go down, but this is obviously not "just one giant punch from Luffys new form" lol

there's been hundreds of attacks hitting kaido including help from other people

[high orchid]

true

[pure raven]

It will be in chapter 1050, 10 years day by day since law asked luffy for an alliance in chapter 668 to take down a yonko .

In this line up luffy should have already won .

[steady cosmos]

it is 10 years exactly, but it wont be when the chapter releases :/

this seems like it isnt the end for kaido, but it may have just closed off act 3. Act 4 should be wrapping up the fight. AKA Kaido is out of commission for a while and then is fully wiped out a bit later. Act 5 is probably opening up the gates of wano, making momonosuke the shogun, and the banquet. Maybe bounty reactions could be included in act 5 as well

[pseudo maple]

dude has none of you read the story of the carp on which kaido's fruit is based?

it was a (or a couple in the one i read) who swam upstream, up a waterfall, and became a dragon, what does that mean? what am i saying? KAIDO IS ALREADY AWAKENED: a carp that became a dragon

sorry, a bit late, conversation has moved on from this point, i guess

whatever happens we all know 1056 will have something huge: hopefully bigger than "Winner: Luffy"

[pure raven]

u will realize it soon mate

[split glacier]

Momo cancels this theory

[stable breach]

Momo fruit is based off his but it’s not an exact replica

So he didn’t have to go thru the same shit kaido did to awaken I meant

[muted violet]

Rocks isnt bad: only source that hes bad is sengoku->a marine; he gathered ik his crew wb, kaido, and bm to help him achieve his dream. I think he wanted to become joyboy and because he had gotten so close -> maybe he had gotten all ponegliffs roger and marines teamed up to get him. Which is why roger couldnt be joyboy because he helped the marines

[split glacier]

Kaido went thru all his trials and tribulations before acquiring the fruit.

[stable breach]

Wouldn’t he need to go thru it when he gets the fruit to awaken it ? Not before he obtained the fruit

[modest skiff]

While I agree with this 100%, it belongs in #manga-serious rather than here

[stable breach]

Idk about that last part I just think it wasn’t rogers time yet for joy boy to comeback cuz luffy wouldn’t mind teaming up with a marine if it was somebody he respected or called a friend like coby or even smoker

[split glacier]

That's why the dragon isn't an awakened form and just his normal DF form...

[stable breach]

Oh I think I understand what your saying it’s just the lore behind it but he didn’t really have to do all those things to awaken it @split glacier

[muted ember]

I got a theory that Kaido's other island is either where Wapol created Evil Black Drum Kingdom or God Valley. The reason for both of these possibilities is metal. The island has been transformed pretty recently to have everything covered w metal. Wapol started his new kingdom before the timeskip and we can see how Kaido's island was still under construction at the time. Wapol and Kaido are also apart of the WGs trading network by way of Kaido's weapons/seastone and Wapometal. And the last thing is that Wapol was shown a picture of Dragon at the Reverie and he dismissed the Revs at the time. This could be possible foreshadowing for the Revs to liberate his new territory, and they are currently present on Kaido's Island as well

[lapis prairie]

That's hard to go along with because it means Roger isn't righteous. The idea Rocks is so bad that Roger sided with the marines feels better.

Also, Luffy has helped marines. Alabasta, Punk Hazard, Dressrosa.

[royal spruce]

I like the idea that Garp had a daughter and Dragon is actually the biological son of ROCKS

[pure raven]

Hmmm interesting, some say shanks is rock's son some dragon is rock's son

[royal spruce]

Well, Dragon has a similar hair style (long slick backed hair) and he also has a “dark secret” that his friends don’t hold against him. I figured having a wicked lineage would do that. Idk what the proof is for the shanks theory is

It would also explain why he’s the most wanted man in the world

[quartz zinc]

I think Roger teamed up with Garp because they were probably raised in east blue in a similar type of fashion that Luffy and Ace were.

[opal sparrow]

If kaido was Awakened then we would know 💀 like every other awakened devil fruit it was explicitly told when a fruit is awaken.

Kaido explains to Luffy what his awakening is and that it’s a zoan fruit but he himself isn’t shown or told if has an awakening?

[pure raven]

did jinbei give big mom his lifespan to escape and this is his last adventure with luffy together? until they find one piece?

[quartz zinc]

But what if it was just one of those Oda things where he lets you fill in the blank for yourself. Oda has never explained how people were using haki before it was visible to us.

[eager frost]

Imagine the strongest creature in OP who is obsessed with strength and has a good understanding of DF and awakening didn’t manage to awaken his own DF which he had for so long while inferior characters are running around with awakened DFs.

[tawdry bramble]

Kaido definitely has awakened his fruit. That doesn’t mean he’s being using it’s awakened form at all though. “You’ve done something no one ever has and pushed me to my strongest form” is such a classic shonen trope that people not expecting it are wild.

[eager frost]

Problem with that theory is if that’s the case then Kaido wouldn’t loose his clouds and let all his crew and everything he planned this whole time fall to its demise. Momo making a last second save is not something he would count on

[tawdry bramble]

He had confidence in himself that he wouldn’t lose that clash and that he could still take everyone afterwards. There is still a ton to him potential reasoning for being in Wano.

Or he could be done. Not going to pretend that isn’t possible.

[echo jetty]

No he wasnt afraid of big mom when she tried to do it he said sum like "if your gon be apart of the future king of the pirates group you cant be afraid of a yonko"

[royal spruce]

What If Buggy is Rock's kid and not Shanks XD?

[modest skiff]

!theories @royal spruce

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using #manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description.

[modest skiff]

This channel is intended for in depth discussion rather than 1 liners and casual stuff. But feel feee to post things like that in #also-manga

[royal spruce]

well it started as a joke... but Seeing how Buggy Glowed up to be a Warlord through sheer association with shanks, I wouldn't put it past Oda to pull something so ridiculous

Then again, mabye he's already doing that with Weevil. (ridiculous truths i mean)

[polar rivet]

I also think that Buggy has a minor version of Luffy's "greatest power" as Mihawk says, making allies out of everyone around him. We have consistently seen Buggy create loyalty and devotion from those around him without even showing any feats of strength. Buggy is the perfect mix of Luffy and Usopp, lying constantly, but also constantly gaining new allies.