manga-theories

[pure raven]

yeah

[rough tapir]

if haki did make luffys jet pistol fire. why wouldn't it have affected any other haki infused move? it wouldn't make sense that haki granted fire. had to come with the fruit

[viral sluice]

no its not

watch oda say it

[analog sun]

Do you think the fruit has a second secret name? 🧠

[spring anvil]

can luffy manipulate weed resin, he smokes those bowls like crazy

[rough tapir]

also. I don't believe it resin. its just the freedom of his fruit

[urban tapir]

Uranus

[spring anvil]

Or he just just manipulate the ground as rubber

[analog sun]

Why isn't there a resin coping emote yet?

[viral sluice]

niko is resin because think abt it gear 4 luffy when his arms go in multiple directions rubber cant do thay but resin can and it is flameable like red hawk

[rough tapir]

like the dough fruit. makes everything doughy

[tired junco]

i think it said in the chapter that the rubber aspect was just an extension of its main power

[sick turtle]

Lol, have fun in theorizing the df, good luck

[spring anvil]

Ya people keep forgetting that there is no linear way how fruits awakening can work, just because its a zoan doesn't mean its awakening can't perhaps imitate a paramecia, i mean luffy's fruit acted as a paramecia so far

[pale yoke]

also where's denjiro

[manic orbit]

Lol just reaad something on the reddit gear 4th to gear 5th = breaking the 4th wall = toon physics

[steady prism]

First off, the resin theory is dead. It was a decent theory. I’m assuming you agree that Luffy and Momo’s exchange doesn’t mean anything. If so, why are you bringing up reasons why it can still be resin WHEN ODA ALREADY TOLD US THE FRUIT’S NAME? Tbf, does this mean he can’t use resin? No, rubber+fire=resin (with OP physics). So perhaps he’ll make resin as he grows proficient with his df

[analog sun]

People are actually not reading the chapter for some reason, only Niko knows why

[steady prism]

We’ll agree to disagree there. Like I said, it was my own personal opinion on it

[spring anvil]

It's not really a matter of opinion thats a fact that red hawk works like that

[urban tapir]

Spoilers couldn't arrive faster holy shit

The next chapters are bound to be the most important in OP history thus far

[spring anvil]

the next fucking saga will be amazing

[keen tinsel]

Lol

[urban tapir]

We just got Gear 5th and we already here wishing for more. How ungrateful

[spring anvil]

its not gear 5th its awakening but luffy just calls it that because he doesn't know

unless u just want to call his awakening gear 5th no problem with that

[urban tapir]

Every awakening so far has been shown to be extensively resource-demanding. I wonder how that'll affect him

[analog sun]

Zoro's not gonna find his way back from Hell for another two arcs, Sanji will fall in love and trade the All Blue for the All Pink. They'll be replaced by Big Mom and Kaido new Nakama ™️

[keen tinsel]

I mean. Just all these cool theories.

I remember reading like Oda gave Luffy the lamest power he could think of as a writing challenge.

Then just. Nope he's got a mythical god fruit

[steady prism]

Okay look, Oda gave Luffy a fire-based skill. Okay sure haki+rubber=fire. Should this ability be in the arsenal of someone that ate a rubber-rubber fruit? I don’t think so because it felt like an unneeded power up. What’s he gonna do next? Rub his hands and have static/lightning abilities next? This is my personal opinion, but I wouldn’t like that either. Luffy’s fruit being the Nika fruit fully explains why Luffy had fire powers in the first place. This I accept completely.

[cobalt fiber]

based on the new chapter, i feel like there is a higher chance that shanks was talking about luffy at mariejois

[obsidian ridge]

Luffy trained by Boss Hyugoro 😆

[urban tapir]

Shanks D. Snitch theory real

[spring anvil]

You aren't listening he is able to use those powers because of his rubber and haki its not just that the nika fruit gave him fire powers.

[tired junco]

i think shanks knew about the fruit and that roger told him about it

[buoyant prawn]

shanks sus af

[keen tinsel]

Bait and switch it's not blackbeadd it's shanks as the final boss

[steady prism]

I already said that in the second sentence………sigh look let’s just agree to disagree. No point continuing this

[urban tapir]

Imagine Shanks was talking about a totally different person we don't know yet

[spring anvil]

I'm just saying this isn't a matter of opinion because its confirmed how red hawk works, its not sus its not foreshadowing nika

[rough tapir]

i think the rubber is the "stretch" of "freedom" of his fruit. we all know the joyboy is a goofy guy because his name is literally joyboy. the fruit allows his imagination to be reality. my question is doesn't the fruit tell you the name once you eat it?

[analog sun]

BB actually genuinely dreams of cherry pies and cannot stand not being able to share that joy with the actual Nika. It's all misguided anger, nothing a hug can't fix

[spring anvil]

well it may be foreshadowing nika but what i mean is that it isn't because of nika

[velvet wasp]

Honestly, as overpowered as toonforce seems, I really think comparatively, Law’s Awakening is just as overpowered if not more still

[urban tapir]

Zoan having a mind of their own could explain why it hadn't revealed it's name to Luffy. Refused to until time was right

[keen tinsel]

Real talk I wish Blackbeard wasn't a villain loved him and Luffy during Skypiea

[errant thicket]

I wonder if he can just add fire to all his attacks now

[steady prism]

Yep, I think it was foreshadowing. Aaaand there lies the difference/problem with our opinions on Luffy’s Red Hawk

[spring anvil]

I think its forshadowing i misspoke

[keen tinsel]

The nani nani fruit. Has all the powers of wat.

[spring anvil]

i'm saying that his powers of fire weren't given to him by the fruit, he used the arsenal he had to create his red hawk

[analog sun]

He's def in my top 5 characters, he's so entertaining. While he makes for a fantastic final-ish villain, there's also so much potential if he were to eventually help the cause. There's hope for a union of the D. clan vs the WG

[spring anvil]

which is confirmed, luffy created the atttack

[urban tapir]

True. Ain't no previous Gomu fruit holder using that shit before, Ace couldn't have died multiple times before

[steady prism]

But we don’t know how much of that was ingenuity vs his-df-giving-him-the-power-of-fire

[lament dust]

Luffy still had to work and get stronger to get to the point where Nika can be awakened.

[errant thicket]

Blackbeard should've went for Luffy frl

[rough tapir]

pretty sure luffy used gear second to add fire to jet pistol. using the steam

[spring anvil]

WE DO KNOW BECAUSE ITS CONFIRMED THAT RED HAWK IS HIS RUBBER+HAKI

there is a literal science behind it

[analog sun]

I didn't agree before, but now that you added all caps I start to see your point

[urban tapir]

He definetly didn't care for a small fry. Teach definetly was in the dark concerning real Gomu nature

[spring anvil]

@analog sun no one is talking to u nerd

[rough tapir]

I think it was part of his fruit tho. how would haki add fire if it doesn't to anything else. it only make sense with gear second and even then its just smoke like gear 4

[urban tapir]

Aside from Gorosei, anybody knowing about Nika fruit is instantly sus as fuck

[spring anvil]

guys "Gomu Gomu no Red Hawk (ゴムゴムの 火拳銃 レッドホーク , Gomu Gomu no Reddo Hōku?, literally meaning "Rubber Rubber Fire Pistol"): A Haki enhanced version of Gomu Gomu no Jet Bullet. After entering Gear Second, Luffy uses Busoshoku Haki to harden his arm entering in Gear Second Busō."

[keen tinsel]

I mean the thing that makes me sad is like.. this seems to be the endgame

[errant thicket]

Yeah like...what's gonna top that?

[spring anvil]

how red hawk is done has been confirmed

[urban tapir]

I don't think we're that close to the end, but it's very foreseeable indeed

[keen tinsel]

Fights kaido.. then.. I guess they got all the road ponelguphs right? That's the next stop...

[analog sun]

Does the WG/Gorosei know that Who's Who basically knows and goes around telling the story? Seems like he'd have a higher bounty

[velvet wasp]

Luffy had a bad baseline fruit with amazing potential. Ace had a really powerful baseline fruit but ultimately was overshadowed as soon as he ran into counters (BB, Akainu)

[errant thicket]

Luffy need to see rayleigh and shanks one more time before it ends

[urban tapir]

Luffy gotta save Sabo. Also consider everything that happened in Mary Geoise, that shit seems and is implied to be majorly tide shifting for the entire world

[spring anvil]

@velvet wasp honestly technically akainu shouldn't have countered ace because fire gets hotter than magma/lava, akainu was just stronger at that time

[urban tapir]

Unsure tbh

[errant thicket]

Ace just wasn't strong enough ig , akainu has the strongest offensive fruit

[spring anvil]

it just goes to show how strong sabo can get if he gets his flames to the hottest

[steady prism]

You know what? I’m not arguing about the science. You have the description there. Like I said previously, I dislike that power up coming right after Ace’s death. It’s a “creative” ability you wouldn’t normally expect a rubber-person to have, so TO ME it felt like an unnecessary power up. But now looking back, I feel like it was foreshadowing to Nika and I’m a lot less angry at Red Hawk being in Luffy’s skill set……I said I didn’t want to argue about this….

[urban tapir]

Awakened Mera Mera pog

[spring anvil]

bro it doesn't matter how it looks to you because its simply a move created by luffy, yes it probably foreshadowed nika, but only in story telling, the nika fruit didn't just give luffy fire powers, it helped him create his fire abilities

[analog sun]

https://tenor.com/view/typing-jim-carrey-fast-busy-gif-4903969

[velvet wasp]

Now the real question is, what the hell were those “Awakened Zoans” from Impel down?

[urban tapir]

Actually a good question

lol disregard what I said, this' Awakened Mera Mera now 💀

[velvet wasp]

Just praying we get the Vegapunk chapter soon where he explained Devil Fruits, their origins, how you awaken, etc. Because now I’m wondering why we have seen no CONFIRMED Awakenings by anyone outside of Paramecias + Luffy

[brazen acorn]

and the zoans in impel down? and didnt kid and law also awaken? wait kid and law are paramecias nvm

[urban tapir]

Awakened Logia

[steady prism]

And some Zoans, I’m “wondering” Chopper’s monster point is his awakening

[spring anvil]

if it isn't i cant imagine what else it would be

maybe his is secretly a mythical fruit

[native flower]

he wants so badly to drop like an entire chapter of text about devilfruits and stuff and im so ready for it

[analog sun]

There was a cool theory about it being a mythical human too, model Shaman. It fit pretty well

[brazen acorn]

SAME

[steady prism]

Imagine if Chopper’s awakening is Awakening: Salaryman

[velvet wasp]

Like people think Dragon form is Kaido’s awakening or that Misery is Big Mom’s but like we don’t know FOR SURE.

[pure raven]

dunno if people mentioned this before but I don't think Shanks is exactly a good guy. Could turn out to be a villain but not full-on villain.

[warm cave]

Its prolly gonna be “Hito Hito No Mi : Model Jesus”

[analog sun]

Dang, can't find it :/ it was probably just on the sub

[velvet wasp]

Yeah we’ve been talking about that. Generally thinking he is still “good”, but like has his own agenda

[steady prism]

Oh yeaaah Kaido does have an affect to his surroundings when he becomes a dragon (the black clouds). Actually about that: do you think the “black clouds” are black because he imbued haki in it? Momo’s clouds are drawn white, maybe that’s because it’s an artificial df? Idk

[warm cave]

I think shanks is just a man on the mission to deliver the nika fruit to ace , but failed , and now is responsible to look after the user of the nika fruit

[pure raven]

Thank you! I'm not guilty of being a hater for thinking this any more.

[analog sun]

Willing to bet an arm on it

[slender flint]

https://imgur.com/VBoMNCk

[tribal goblet]

Chopper and luffy has the same df and thats the sad part from me

[idle summit]

different models tho

[naive wolf]

chopper: hito hito no mi model doctor

[velvet wasp]

The former Fleet Admiral also has their sister fruit as well. Interesting to think about.

[idle summit]

luffy being zoan explains his extortionary endurance and pain tolerance

[desert spindle]

That's because of garp cause garp beat the crap out of luffy when he was a kid

[idle summit]

that's a gag idt it was a huge factor

[agile tangle]

I feel like if it's not awakened the gomu gomu no mi is just a normal paramecia

And all the zoan effects come into play only after you've awakened

[brazen acorn]

[velvet wasp]

My theory is that Hito Hito no Mi are “Special Zoans” and instead of the regular 3 forms, they have additional access to more specialized forms. Basically choppers “points” are like Luffy’s “Gears”

[naive wolf]

did they ever existed on One Piece world: sun god Nika, and Phoenix, Nile-tale fox and all those mythical, or there was just lore and df are artifitial?

[desert spindle]

Hmmm and we only saw 1 form from sengoku who uses model buddha

[pure raven]

Shanks is going to be Im, confirmed

[idle summit]

shanks is a rat

[agile tangle]

Hm interesting

[pure raven]

How do I know? Im's eyes are similar to Mihawk's. Mihawk is Shanks' rival. Shanks is Mihawk's brother. KEK

[agile tangle]

I always see that but it seems to be about stuff besides that time with the gorosei

[clever copper]

I don't think so,Luffy was the one who came up with gear bec of his creativity.

[true tree]

It's like the Ryu Ryu no Mis where there's a ton out there. Wouldn't be shocked if Blackbeard has another mythical hito hito no mi once it's his turn to fight Luffy

[covert parrot]

so, is it joyboy who has "hito-hito no mi nika" last user other than luffy?

[cobalt fiber]

Im got a left hand

[velvet wasp]

Yeah, and like that was a GIANT Buddha as in the statue. Buddha IRL was like just a dude not a literal golden man. I suppose it could be one form of buddha out of many

[velvet wasp]

There likely could’ve been tons in the 800 years just none strong enough to awaken

[brazen acorn]

what's the idea behind Shanks being a rat? if he worked for the WG why did he steal the fruit? why did he lose his arm for it? why did he not take Luffy to the WG himself?

[covert parrot]

yeah, i believe shanks do plot here

[desert spindle]

Waiting for the right person???

[velvet wasp]

I mean, what if the limits of the Hito Hito no Mi is based on human imagination. Like how Chopper can come up with Kung Fu point- completely changing his form based on a single style

[analog sun]

We first encounter a Hito Hito no Mi on Drum Island - And see Chopper's different forms

[naive wolf]

shanks has to appear on wano for real

[brazen acorn]

either in wano or right after wano

[covert parrot]

nah, not gonna happen

[naive wolf]

me neither but he has to

[storm shoal]

After defeating Kaido does Luffy achieve all 4 Poneglyphs or still need to find more >>

[cobalt fiber]

1 left

[pure raven]

Question. Did Oda deliberately show Teach hunting Moria for the shadow fruit (out of all possible villains) years ago because he planned for this? Since it counters the Sun God.

[analog sun]

My theory is that Shanks is intercepting Blackbeard going after that "thing". But this time it won't go as well as when he intercepted Kaido on the way to Marineford

[velvet wasp]

Technically two to find, we don’t know where his last Poneglyph is.

[covert parrot]

shanks maybe?

[velvet wasp]

I think the Sun god hard counters shadow. The darkness fruit counters Nika by nullifying it

[cobalt fiber]

I dont think shanks has any intentions of reaching laugh tale

[raven yacht]

Coincidence Imu spelt backwards means ocean? Also could be written as “I’m u”

[pure raven]

But why was Blackbeard obssessed with Moria than any other villains defeated by Luffy

[analog sun]

I bet there's a reason Kaido's road poneglyph hasn't been found. It won't just appear, might be Act 4/5 stuff

[zinc gale]

well he said to roger that he will reach the island with his own crew

[true tree]

I'm betting one's on Elbaf and that's when Shanks will show up (since the giants have always had a viking motif and Shanks' ship has a viking motif too, not to mention Usopp meeting Yasopp in his dream island)

[brazen acorn]

same tbh

[covert parrot]

bruh, he's and buggy the one who doesn't go there from roger pirate, why would he doesn't have desire for that?

[desert spindle]

Shanks was waiting for someone?????

[zinc gale]

i feel like elbaf is shanks's territory

[brazen acorn]

I don't remember was Shanks onboard when Roger went to Raftel?

[desert spindle]

No

[analog sun]

Stayed behind with Buggy

[cobalt fiber]

cause buggy has no intention of going there, meaning that there's prob something they know so there's no reason

[velvet wasp]

I think it’s at the bottom of the ocean or something. Somewhere where it would be safe from possible Orochi spies or his own Devil Fruit users

[true tree]

Has to be.

[analog sun]

I like that, maybe his Fish Fish fruit allows him to still get to it easily - and maybe we'll need some Nikartoon physics to get to it

[native turret]

luffy could potentially bend time and space confirmed

[hearty valley]

To all that claimed it was a Mythical Zoan. Well, you did it. Another chapter with Oda massacring op theorists.

[velvet wasp]

Do y’all remember Onigashima is ALSO renamed? What do you think it was beforehand?

[analog sun]

Has Kaido been flying that skull around? I assumed it had been on Wano the whole time but if he's the one who brought it to Onigashima (had forgotten it was renamed), maybe it's his ancestor's or something. Papa Kaido

[naive wolf]

i think it was the hole on the middle of punk hazard

or the hole on skypie left eye? i prefer punk hazard bec he was prisoned with king

[covert parrot]

the real mysteries right now is who is interrupt who's who bringing "gomu-gomu no mi" to gorosei, he failed to protect it right?, i don't think shanks do that, but after that maybe shanks found it and bringing it to east blue

[steady prism]

That’s a good question. Looking at the wiki, Onigashima was always there and always had the giant skull.

[gloomy dirge]

Okay so going back to Nika freeing the slaves during Skypeia when that huge boat from 800 years ago from the sky, it actually was referencing a celestial dragon slave ship that nika saved the slaves from on the white sea.

Also this oda box freaking talks about luffy's fruit through a quote. How everything that "humans" can "imagine" is a possibility in reality.

[covert parrot]

well, oda just being oda

[gloomy dirge]

Also oda freaking collabed with popeye

[tired valve]

Hey guys do you think there will be a gear 6?

[mint prairie]

!theories

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using #manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description.

[analog sun]

I think in Gear 5 "Cartoon" form, he can pretty much do many forms like a cartoon would (like his previous gears). This could be a way for Oda to throw a curveball at fanfiction and have a goofy sequence where he makes up a bunch of new gag gears

[clever laurel]

I have theory, it is a bit long, can i post it?

Luffy Gear 5 is Personification of the sun god

Sun god reffered as Solar Deity

The ability of Solar deity
Through this Link
https://powerlisting.fandom.com/wiki/Solar_Deity_Physiology#Capabilities

Its include

• Solar Empowerment
  Sun god can draw power from the sun, include Enhanced stamina, strength, and regeneration.

• Solar Manipulation

Including

• Divine Force Manipulation
  Quoting from this website
  "The users can restore biotic organisms to their optimal health, curing damaged or withered organisms, wounds, broken bones, low vitality, and diseases/poisoning. Though the user may potentially heal any form of bodily damage, the patient must be alive, even if hanging by a thin thread, in order to be healed; once the patient has died, it would transcend healing and would require resurrection instead"
  Gorosei said its the most ridiculous power, yes its can heal and even resurection, i dont know this is applicable in one piece if this is true then, assuming Luffy is hanging by life thread he can heal himself, i dont know if this power can use on the other people, if Zoro is dead Luffy can resurect zoro to life or Zoro is hanging by lifethread luffy can heal him. It is so farfetched i know it is just my speculation IMO.

• Life-Force Manipulation
  The power to manipulate life-force. Haki is the embodiment of life force, its explained after luffy used gear 4 he cant use haki for ten minutes but, in the latest chapter he can use his haki, thus he can manipulate his haki on his own will.

• Gravity Manipulation
  its clear now luffy is levitating in the air, even without footing he can pull kaido and slam him into the ground without footing, it is ridiculous.

• Fire manipulation
  Luffy red hawk is the application of this power, he can fuse fire power into his punch.

• Heat Manipulation
  Luffy gear 2 is the application of this power, by pumping his blood faster he can generate heat, heat when fuse into rubber, it will expand and contract much faster rate, thus explained why he move so fast.

• Solar Energy Manipulation
  I think it is the ultimate move of the gear 5 he can create the mini sun. using it like beam or like dbz Spirit bomb.

Luffy gear 5 can use gravity, fire, heat, and solar manipulation on his will that why it is ridiculous as the gorosei said. As the solar empowerment luffy power reach its peak when the sun is rising imo.

[worthy valley]

Luffy = escanor ?

[covert parrot]

so, that explain how can he using "red hawk"

[pure raven]

That's such a dumb theory, sorry. LOL

[tired valve]

Man i don't know for sure man, seems to op but then again we don't know the true potential of the fruit so we just wait and see

[pure raven]

The whole basis of a solar deity is from a generalized concept outside of the One Piece universe

Who is to say what the mechanisms of a sun deity's power within the OP universe is like

[haughty plank]

I wanna know if people think that Shanks knew about the true nature of the fruit

[tired valve]

@haughty plank maybe, because of roger in some way told him

[worthy valley]

he knew it

[clever laurel]

@pure raven I Know there is so much power but i only include some of piece of it that could fit into one piece AFAIK.

[covert parrot]

he know exactly that's gomu gomu no mi, not sure about he know that's hito-hito no mi

[steady prism]

With Luffy’s fire abilities now fully explained, the list of fire skills are entirely possible. Actually I forgot: is Liffy’s G5 gonna wear out soon?

[analog sun]

Part of me is a bit mad the cross location reveal was with the gorosei and not Shanks. It would have been really cool if he had been the one explaining (to Beckman or something) the nature of the fruit

It's probably for a good reason (Shanks being busy, etc) but still, any opportunity to the my former body

[steady prism]

Luffy’s df gives him fire and rubber abilities. We see that in 1044 with Luffy’s hair being on fire as well as in his df’s explanation

[naive wolf]

i m not up with the "mini sun on his hand":c

[analog sun]

Only limited by their imagination, he started fire powers after Ace died - edit I'm slow

[steady prism]

With OP physics, he could generate fire in his hand and squeeze it down……creating a condensed “sun”. Again it’s all headcannon but not impossible thanks to OP physics. If he’s going against BB, he needs all the power ups he can get imo

[naive wolf]

my bias is not about the physics rather the style of luffy but same: headcannon only

[steady prism]

Yep

[analog sun]

My take is that his fruit allows him to use imagination to create abilities. At first he hadn't awakened it and was only able to manifest the ability in focused contexts (believing he's made of rubber, grief for Ace, deeper Haki learnings). Now his near death experience allowed him to fully reach Nika status and he's come to realize the range of his ability. I doubt he's at 100% or even close, he'll need to figure out how this form works, there's probably gonna be quirks and/or drawbacks.

[naive wolf]

honest yes, at first spoiler i was meh, but after second read of the chap already out, i do think is its peak, i m excited to especulate here on after this

like slowly crazy theories are dissapearing and we can only accept that it can be whatever path oda whips to choose, so the duvan face reveal and this last one reinforce how insane op is

[split glacier]

At least it wasnt Hanuman/Wukong. He picked an actual god that exists in the OP world.

[nimble lynx]

I think it's safe to say in the end we will find out that all devil fruits are mythical zoans

[novel scroll]

I wonder if Luffy is still going to say "gomu gomu no ... " for his attack move or if it's gonna change to "nika nika" or something

[split glacier]

Only Gorosei knows it's different so probably still Gomu Gomu unless Jinbei tells him more about Nika or something to have it make sense to him

[naive wolf]

gomu gomu no nika maybe

[lime cape]

hito hito noooo...

[steady prism]

Given the ideals Oda wanted to impart in Luffy as a character, I think this was a great reveal. The idea that “true freedom” is childish and idealistic has been expressed throughout the story. Luffy as a character was never worried about diplomacy, following the rules, etc. He’s always created his own path and helped people become freer along the way. Now with G5, he doesn’t have to follow the rules of “this world” and instead pull his enemies into “his world” where he controls the laws/physics of it. At the surface G5 looks goofy, but now I really do think it’s a great tool that explains Luffy’s journey and it is needed now more than ever considering how big and menacing his future enemies are

[split glacier]

Does this make Rocks as a Gomu Gomu candidate valid now? Kaido's "You couldn't be Joyboy either" could've been aimed at memories of Rocks who also failed since Joyboy/Nika is DF reliant?

[lime cape]

don't try to justify Oda, it is a bad power

🤔 Now the big question, who has really the gomu gomu paramecia?

[naive wolf]

it is not, luffy was very defenseless against mont d'or, no anymore

[steady prism]

lol, you’re entitled to your opinion.

[novel scroll]

I just wonder how Black Beard will top this. He must be doing something so insane right now that make his bounty surpasses Kaido.

Unless they want to make BB have lower bounty than Luffy

[lime cape]

I don't think Luffy's bounty surpasses kaido's first he have to conquer every inch of his territory

[novel scroll]

With him awakened the fruit, I'm sure WG will skyrocket Luffy's bounty

[split glacier]

BB is either on his way to Mariejois, Elbaf or Alabasta. He's gone to take something the government is holding/hiding/after as well

[covert parrot]

well, wano is closed country, no one know

[molten juniper]

Personally, really liked the chapter but I think the comic effects were kinda unnecessary. Made the whole chapter too goofy

Maybe that's also an effect of the "new" fruit ?

[novel scroll]

I'm sure that's just one of Luffy's awakening effect.

[molten juniper]

Since it puts smiles on all faces and stuff

[molten juniper]

Exactly

[lime cape]

what are your bounties predictions?

Luffy: 5B656M
Robin: 2B+
Zoro: 1B5+
Sanji: 1B3+
And every mugiwara surpasses the 100 million except chopper ($1000)

[novel scroll]

I'm sure Zoro and Sanji will surpass 2bil

[lime cape]

🤔 I would always put now Robin between Luffy and Zoro

[dapper cloak]

Maybe luffy might lose his bounty altogether and just be “the one we want dead most of all” or something ridiculous

[lime cape]

🥲 and I was right about the new devil fruit #manga-theories message

[steady prism]

That’s true. Tbf there are deities that remind me of Luffy: the deity Hanuman explains Luffy’s rubber body. Sun Wukong explains Luffy’s journey thus far. A redditor showed parallels to Luffy’s journey as a sun god compare to Sun God Meri. Oda doesn’t often copy-paste real myths exactly but take the parts he likes I guess

[lime cape]

the most ridiculous power is the one of Tsuru

[dapper cloak]

Hang to dry!!

[naive wolf]

seems legit

[naive wolf]

id love the idea of "only dead" on luffy bounty

[slim moat]

Kid and Law defeated Mama. They will get higher bounty than Zoro and Sanji. Luffy will have 4B+, Law and Kidd 2B+, Sanji and Zoro 1.2B+

[lime cape]

🤔 I have to say that I thought the Pika Pika no mi is the most broken devil fruit (even more broken than the yami yami and the gura gura with marco's phoenix all together) but with this new power... I mean, no one could beat Luffy in this mode

I hope that has heavy drawbacks and he has to met a bunch of conditions to use it

[naive wolf]

i hope luffy already smash roger's bounty and go up to 5.6B, then Law and Kid over 2 and 3 B, and Zoro and Sanji under 1.5 B

[lime cape]

what about robin?

[naive wolf]

robin bounty is weird bec always been under 100M even when she was very dangerous from the start, and i love Black Maria, but she's very low tier

[lime cape]

I think no one thought that luffy would get the 4 ponegliphs

[terse moth]

the celestial dragons are so f'd

[lime cape]

Now with this new ability my prediction is: The only way to defeat luffy is mimic what the WG did in the past and use an ancestral weapon to kill everyone in Jaya, and maybe the JoyBoy 🤔 but I think he scaped with baby Zunesha and died from old age

A bustercall with a ancestral weapon would be dope

[terse moth]

buster calls are the only way to defeat strong DF users since u gotta sink em

[naive wolf]

but robin bounty been low since she was a kiddo, taking on consideration how top priority was erase the light of ohara, makes no sense why she hasn't a super hight bounty like law's fruit they were disposing to pay fo

[lime cape]

🤔 Can anyone confirm me that land brought from somewhere outside the grand line doesn't have a magnetic field detectable with the logpose?

[vapid kite]

So, from the Elder's speech we know that the GOV knew this all along and they let the good boys win, since they never stopped before the protagonist, like at EniesLobby sending some admirals or any Haki users since he had no Haki at that time?? that's not a uber big plot hole?

[naive wolf]

guess that inconsistency is why peeps says Shanks told them about it

[tulip hedge]

I personally love luffys new abilities and the df reveal, it opens doors to so many possibilities now
Also dont think he'll master it any time soon, wouldn't be surprised if he can't even reactivate g5 at will, for now at least

[vapid kite]

i don't like this tbt the whole things now is the Fruit is op, Mythical Zohan Kaioken Odaama Rasengan Bankai Gom Gom no mi, is the op thing and not Luffy and all his Effort and Sacrifices,
Moreover Luffy is a Sayian, and the Cp0 Agent get him k.o. to give him a Senzu Bean, since we know a Sayian recovering from death DOUble his Power

and Luffy became a 70's cartoon like roger rabbit, i had not a thing i didn't like from 20+years but i can't be full happy bout this

[golden bison]

What do you think..?
What will be the new powers or power ups of luffy Which we will see in future chapters..? I don't think there will be more gear...

[strong tulip]

@naive wolf If robin had a high bounty, people would be asking why is her bounty so high.

Eventually people will wonder where she came from and her village. etc

[naive wolf]

it makes sense

[naive wolf]

ya, me neither, gear 5 should be the last and ultimate

[vapid kite]

and any Zohan user awaken we saw he had grotesque animal form
they could give the Gom Gom to Laboon so he could speak and tell him not to knock his *** head on the mountain
and now we know USOPP with the gom gom would be the Saitama here, since his imagination unlimited

[grim pine]

Oda foreshadowed chapter 1043-44 in chopper's arc

[stuck plume]

the will of D.

[naive wolf]

elaborate?

[grim pine]

Chopper was the first user of HUMAN HUMAN FRUIT..and where did he came from? "DRUM" island

[strong tulip]

Also thats the first time someone (the lady who taught chopper how to be a doctor, i forget her name) brought up the will of D.

[stuck plume]

I'm hoping to have a kaido flashback of rocks telling him about joyboy when luffy tells him he's joyboy

[grim pine]

drum island = drums of liberation

[keen vault]

That’s a sick theory

[strong tulip]

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/tet009/a_satisfying_possible_meaning_of_d/

[grim pine]

it was the first arc for the introduction of the WILL OF D
the human human fruit and drums of liberation

[stuck plume]

it makes sooo much sense

[grim pine]

ikkk

[stuck plume]

your a genies

[naive wolf]

i buy the will of drums theory fr

[grim pine]

heheh

[sturdy rampart]

Anyone worried about the fact Luffy said he can keep fighting a "bit" longer?

[grim pine]

i think he meant that gear lasts for sometime..thats why he said

[modest flax]

Idk but I feel like it’s going to be something similar to UI where he won’t use it for long and then elbaf will be training

[grim pine]

or maybe it is a foreshadowing for something

[stuck plume]

ig he will defeat him by that time and pass out in the next arc

[sturdy rampart]

Yeah that line and the fact that luffy was on the brink of death moments ago has me worried that something bad will happen once the transformation is over

[desert spindle]

Luffy is almost exactly opposite of blackbierd cause he has darkness and luffy has sun good Nika fruit and blackbierd has tremor and luffy rubber

[naive wolf]

he will one shot kaido maybe

[split glacier]

Well you would know, it's your story

[modest flax]

I also think that bc it’s Luffy he will create new possibilities with his limitless imagination

[pure raven]

So what’s luffys devil fruit exactly, is it rubber or what?

[modest flax]

I’m terms of her 5

[grim pine]

yeah i definitely know it haha..
i also know the plot of one piece shipp-......

[stuck plume]

like when he made the ground rubber

[split glacier]

Rubber + Imagination

[pure raven]

Bro luffy is going to beat kaido that’s my theory

the battle is surely getting into a finale

I can’t wait until it gets animated

[cedar venture]

Luffy will go inside kaido and control him from the inside . Its like luffy wearing kaido

[stuck crown]

Luffys awakening theory: since hes rubber and rubber can basically take any form, he can basically shape reality to whatever

[vapid kite]

i don't know if you wanna that xD you will hear from now and the End of OP the STEREO incorporated in luffy chest 😂 😂 😂 😂

[hard aurora]

Any good theories as for why the Celestial Dragons didn't send CP0 or their personal fleets to hunt down Luffy once they learned that his fruit gave him rubber like powers? or why they instead allowed the Marines to handle the case?

[timid fiber]

hes gonna bounce on water

[vapid kite]

is the epic fail plot hole i'm blaming about

[naive wolf]

shanks

[cedar venture]

As explained the df always tries to escape

[uncut sigil]

so we went the whole round back to the luffy gets into kaidos ass and uses gear 3 again?

[hard aurora]

Yeah.. and what could Shanks have bargained to convince the 5 elders to not invest their own forces into hunting someone who could end with reality bending cartoon powers tho?

[cedar venture]

Dud he can enter thru the mouth. Dont worry kaido dont know how to swallow

[naive wolf]

they didnt realize until shanks:c

[agile gate]

Guys, i have a question. So the gorosei JUST realised that the rubber rubber fruit is actually the nika sun form?

[desert spindle]

The reason the ice admiral joined black beard is cause maybe blackbierd is has something he wants?

[pure raven]

The gouvernament said that the power is only limited by the imagination , by that mean , i guess it translates to full freedom within the rubber properties boundaries

[hard aurora]

The problem is not that the fruit tries to escape, the problem is that they didn't try to use their actual resources to pursue it, they have an armed force independent from the marines after all.

[steady prism]

Maybe they didn’t expect Luffy to awaken it. They saw him as an obstacle that will soon fail and die in obscurity….until Eines lobby. Still, reaching a near-death experience is dangerous and will more often fail than succeed. But when they realized he was about to succeed, they ordered their CP0 to make sure he dies. That’s my current thought/reasoning

[cedar venture]

Also does this mean Robin’s df is hito hito no mi, model devil/fallen angel

[pure raven]

anyone worried bout zorro? 🤔 he supposed the first who should feel the presence of luffy and second is sanji, but then zorro isnt around on latest chapter.

[hard aurora]

That sounds too neglectful tho, even if Shanks decided to make the reveal now, they should have been hunting every DF that gave rubber like powers, the Spring Sping, the Mochi Mochi, the Wax Wax, the Pocket Pocket, they all should have been targets.

[pure raven]

He got lost

[naive wolf]

yeah but didn't luffy just use his rubber powers on marineford, with 3 admirals already there

[hard aurora]

That's so clownish too, Orochi for all the mistakes that he made, wouldn't have just sit down and do nothing hoping on getting lucky.

[cedar venture]

It is heavily implied that they have been doin that every century. Its not the first time they try to capture it. We dont know if they had done it in the past but no matter what they can never have their hands on it. Read the manga again

[steady prism]

Tbf they did want to kill him….until Shanks arrived

[pure raven]

i think its obviously the one who revealed the real name of the fruit is shanks on gorosei. In exchange for something for sure.

[uncut sigil]

i think that not even the admirals know the secret to the fruit, only the goroseis and im

[pure raven]

https://youtu.be/dlStq-SVSK8

[steady prism]

It’s either monitor the df user or use the strongest forces of the marines to capture one guy, which will signal to the entire world that the gomu-gomu fruit is “something special”….

[naive wolf]

im up on that, but this guys are making me doubt it hehe

[pure raven]

Is the one piece movie red cannon or nah

[hard aurora]

Again it doesn't matters if the fruit has been avoiding them, i want the reasons for them for not being Orochi levels of persistent.

[desert spindle]

Yes and maybe rojer asked shanks to help marines capture him so he could gain their trust?

[pure raven]

I heard it takes place after wano

[steady prism]

I thought the gorosei were the ones who changed the name, which is why I didn’t really expect that to happen

[hard aurora]

They should have been doing that for all fruits similar to the gomu gomu, that includes things like the Mochi Mochi and the Spring Spring, we are talking about something that if awakened transforms you into Bugs Bunny.

[tribal goblet]

If thriller bark was right after marineford then how big would the hate bubble of luffy be ??? Big doubt

[rancid widget]

I think Zoro will have a chat with Oden about Enma or w/e during his “death” trip /shrug

[pure raven]

i think it has connection on sabo, maybe sabo and vivis safety. In exchange for the real name of the fruit luffy has. I know for a fact that sabo and shanks didnt know each other。

[desert spindle]

Maybe cause it's similar but they know it's not and shanks revealed the true name of gomu gomu no mi?

[cedar venture]

They getting married

[pure raven]

nag i think he is in the gulag,

[steady prism]

Then you’re wasting a lot of resources. Tbf given Luffy’s awakening, maybe now they wish they killed him in Dressrosa

[desert spindle]

I was not in the latest chapter cause I got lost and the cameraman didn't see where I went

[hard aurora]

But Shanks did the reveal just this arc, before this they should have been doing a general hunt for fruits that could be the human human model sun god Nika

[glossy vector]

I assume Garp always trying to make Luffy join marine is some kind of explanation

[hard aurora]

Is not a waste of resources if your target is avoiding someone gaining the toon force you know 🤣

[pure raven]

my theory is your gone, youre supposed to be the first one who will feel luffys presence not sanji lmao, youre the vice captain what are you doing? 😂

[naive wolf]

the sabo link is weak yet im quite up to shanks pin pointing luffy's df, though im don't think he's evil or anything 😖

[desert spindle]

Got lost into a different anime

[hard aurora]

I don't think anyone in the Marines knows, the Marines are different from the CP0 and the fleets under direct command of the celestial dragons.
The Admirals and anyone below probably have no idea about this.

[cedar venture]

Sabo is the heir of Im. Hes gonna be fine

[pure raven]

wg looks like has trust on him for years, he even talked to gorosei how many pirates do you think can approach gorosei? prolly only him. Shanks smells like sus.

[rancid widget]

we need more backstory with Zoro either way, especially his relation to wano… seems now would be convenient after the hype chapter with luffy settles down

[desert spindle]

Maybe shanks has a connection with revolutionary army that's why he wanted to save sabo with the info

[pure raven]

He'll see him soon in jujutsu kaisen

also in typical samurai dragon of japanese story example sekiro or 47 ronin, it was a swordsman who defeated the dragon.

its always the samurai cutting the head of immortal dragon

[rancid widget]

luffy picks up that oniganshima giant sword confirmed

[agile gate]

Do you guys think luffy will reverse the effects of the smiles with his newfound powers? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[naive wolf]

if luffy has a blast after been defeated, well we see if zkk happen or not:///

[tulip hedge]

No

[pure raven]

oh, yeah its also stated that the fruit has fighting abilities of many as long as you can imagine.

Also yeah the freakin giant sword.

[fervent sluice]

Is it Crocomom time?

[vapid kite]

in one chapter he went from 0 to 100 powerscale where the second top is 5 /100 not bad

[rancid widget]

who else would use it? one of the elbaf giants? 😂

[pure raven]

I’ll be happy if that happens

[split glacier]

Anything is literally possible now lol

[frank sleet]

So the ultimate power of rufy is to be a looney tunes cartoon

[hard aurora]

100? he broke the freaking scale he has gag comic powers!!! 🤣
Power scalers in shambles right now

[agile gate]

i honestly really hate that people compare it with looney toones, is mjuch more than that and thinking oda kept this in his pocket for that period of time is simply amazing

[slender fulcrum]

That's innacurate. Only Imu knew the secret and the Gurusei heard rumors about it.

[vapid kite]

yea Oda made him too op now :\

[pure raven]

I kinda more wondering about the conquerer's haki rain that happened , how much of control luffy has now over it

[uncut sigil]

they talk about it like they know for sure

[rancid widget]

it’s logical at this point that Imu has immortality from the ope-ope fruit

[naive wolf]

yaa that black lighting rain was dope

[hard aurora]

His powers are literally based in a style of animation called "Rubber Horse" you know 🤣

[pure raven]

gah this giant sword might really happen cause imagine this is same as other japanese typical samurai stories, and it will be a good ending and samurai will have more moral cause he defeated kaido by using the samurai and by a samurai GIANT FREAKINF SAMURAI and luffy will have a new nickname as samurai of wano.

[slender fulcrum]

Because the rumor was now proven. I'm pretty sure those rumors cames from the slaves prisoners, the same one that Who's who encountered.

[hot heart]

diisagreed. we still havn't seen any of the big dogs awakening. luffy just clearly > Kid/Law

[vapid kite]

https://imgur.com/qVXgpF9 bro

[mint prairie]

!theories

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using #manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description.

[mint prairie]

@lucid grail Don't disrupt chat.

[rancid widget]

also another big question is how long can luffy use gear 5’s duration… that’s going to tell us how OP he is

[hard aurora]

He Yoinked Kaido bru... literally Yoinked him!!!!

[mint prairie]

Again, if you're going to chit-chat on manga topics, there's #manga and #also-manga. This chat is meant for lengthier write-ups and discussions.

[neat inlet]

I have a hunch luffy's current 5th gear/awakened form is actually luffy's hybrid form, and we have yet seen the actual non-hybrid nika fruit

[agile gate]

ok boss

[naive wolf]

yaa and kaido stand up like nothing, i root the idea that kaido is yet to reveal something like a weird awakening df

[uncut sigil]

i think thats his real nika form and the gears are the same as points for chopter

[frank sleet]

But how rufy can model the environment since we know he is not a paramisha?

[pure raven]

his fruit is already awakened, remember it was originally a carp? 🤔

[neat inlet]

But chopper has never showed his full form, unless he turns into a man completely

[split glacier]

Give that boi a rumble ball. Wouldn't be surprised at more G5 forms

[naive wolf]

mmmm not confirmed though , a lot of peeps are up to that, but he aint said the epic phrase: "this is how azure dragons used to fight on ancient times"

[pure raven]

wait is he suppose to say that? 🤔

[neat inlet]

Rumble ball is a misconception- it will be just another hybrid form, the actuall full form for chopper is the human form (we have yet seen chopper as a complete human), and as for luffy, the complete form of nika could basically be almost anything

[naive wolf]

i think rumble ball are designed at chopper seize and shape, dunno if someone else is going to eat it someday, honest i would like to see what could happen

[hard aurora]

I don't think that Kaido has anything in store to deal with Luffy, remember that even Kaido himself wanted to be Joyboy once upon a time, but failed and gave up.
Edit: Maybe that's even why he started making SMILEs

[naive wolf]

well at some point it keeps the pattern, though not all tobi roppo said it

[vapid kite]

the Straw hat is gone boys

[slender fulcrum]

He's not, his fruit just put him on crazy adrenaline and he is the avatar of Freedom. " Warrior of Liberation, Joy, Freedom ". As the gurusei said, he does not need rumble balls because the only limits about the use of his fruit is his imagination.

[vapid kite]

it is, how the hell you wear a Straw hat with a burning head 🧏‍♂️

[steady prism]

The fact that Chopper became chibi just recently after using it makes me want to believe that he can find the right dosage for Luffy….hmm….what if the Rumble ball becomes the only way Luffy can “induce” Gear 5 from now on?

[slender fulcrum]

You're really thinking this seriously ? It's a manga, did this bothered you before? Cause there are a lot of situation where Luffy " couldn't wear or use his straw hat " but did it nonetheless

[tough wadi]

remodeling envinroments isn't limited to paramecia DFs is it? remember Punk Hazard - i think aokiji and akainu remodelled that using their awakened logias

[vapid kite]

that's my main concern in chis chapter beside it seems i'm the only one who don't like this chap :\ but i liked whole op from the start

[naive wolf]

honest i did notice too how the straw hat was not drawn at all on this last chap

[tepid notch]

Ngl this chapter just got me excited to see the people stronger than luffy in the later arcs

Ex. Blackbeard, shanks, mihawk…

[slender fulcrum]

Maybe his straw hat became rubber too? I mean did you notice that Luffy wore his jacket all the time even while transformed in gear 4 ? It was never a problem for you before

[frank sleet]

I thought that was a power limited to paramecia and logias.

[vapid kite]

ye like all character Dress when they powerup with aura that shake buildings

[tepid notch]

Devil fruits transfer to clothes too like how buggy’s clothes split

[deep dock]

The Straw Hat was drawn, you can see it in one of the panels but It's easier to see it in one of the colored pages at the end.

[naive wolf]

yes he tried to make people smile but in a wrong way

[slender fulcrum]

Yeah he's a fake Joy boy. I think he'll give up when he'll realise his missconception, maybe admit defeat and will pledge to Luffy's grand fleet

[naive wolf]

my bad, i did see the straw hat drawn there, when luffy pulls out the ground transforming it onto rubber

[outer edge]

wtf

this chap is something i didnt expect from op at all

[slender fulcrum]

And BTW, Joy Boy probably had a straw hat too ... And he was a nika fruit user ( so saying flaming hair is not compatible with a straw hat is BS )

[outer edge]

its a out of the blue power up just like dbs

[split glacier]

Since the Gomu/Nika fruit is just imagination to a degree. Do you think the previous users (if there have been any like maybe a Rocks/Roger), their abilities were completely different?

[pure raven]

This sounds quite crackpot but if luffy’s fruit makes him so joyful and cartoonish do you think that has anything to do with how Roger was? The laughing and the overall same demeanour as luffy

[outer edge]

i cant believe the government just said it out that it is one of the most ridiculous powers to have

[slender fulcrum]

If Roger had the Nika fruit it would have been mentionned

[vapid kite]

same

[slender fulcrum]

It's not. This was " foretold-foreshadowed " since - at the very least - Skypiea Arc.

[pure raven]

I wonder who had it before luffy then if the government failed to capture it in every era

[rose forge]

if roger had the fruit, he would awakening the fruit so he can’t have the nika fruit

[outer edge]

totally unexpected imo and i will judge this chap after next chap releases

[hallow epoch]

Rather than out of the blue, it could all be planned out from the very beginning. There are several instances of Hito Hito No Mi. One of them is Chopper, the other one we've seen so far is the Monk guard to the swords that Kawamatsu and Zoro met. The fruit itself is not that uncanny, what's uncanny are its rubber-like qualities

[frank sleet]

But since the gorosei said that the only limit of this fruit is the imagination of his owner rufy can do whatever he wants.. Even remodeling the envirement.. I don't think others zoan can do the same

[outer edge]

no no i mean the power itself and all of a sudden mentioning that its some godly mythical zoan

[naive wolf]

well it seems so, yeas, but trying to make sense out of this, what if the luffy's fruit is responsible for make entire one piece world a f weird place where any character can pop out his eyes like a cartoon if they feels like it (ie Caimie, Buggy, Enel, Bon Chan, Mr 3, Ussop, etc)

[outer edge]

sounds like an out of the blue powerup for luffy imo

[slender fulcrum]

That's why Nika, Sun god, is more the avatar of Freedom, the god of Freedom, freedom as liberating slaves, freedom as warrior of liberation, freedom as freedom of creativity regarding the use of his fruit. Luffy is probably living a pure rush of freedom adrenaline stuff atm and that's why it makes him laugh has hell

[pure raven]

I don’t think it’s out of the blue honestly, because it explains all of his abilities, I mean try and make sense of kong gun or other abilities without the pretext of the nika fruit

[hallow epoch]

Is that really all of a sudden? Shanks went to talk to them. THE VERY MAN WHO STOLE IT YEARS PRIOR, went to talk to the gorosei about a "certain man"

[outer edge]

i mean u could hav said its a really strong fruit and all but then the world government just declared that its is one of the most ridiculous and rarest all in one go

[slender fulcrum]

I'm not sure he sold out Luffy though. Imo its about BB

[hallow epoch]

Which is also fitting for a man who only wants to be the freest person on the planet

[hallow epoch]

I think you are misinterpreting ridiculous. I am interpreting ridiculous as in "SILLY"

[brazen acorn]

why would he sell out Luffy?

[outer edge]

i mean the whole sun god nika freedom figure seems like a whole fairy tale to me and just giving some fairy tale like powers all of a sudden seems weird

something i wouldnt expect from op

[deep dock]

The fruit making everyone and or everything more free works with the user being rubbery since being rubbery makes your body more "free" if you know what I mean

[outer edge]

shank: Told u not to eat it

they shd hav slowly revealed who or what the fruit was imo instead of just throwing it in one panel

[naive wolf]

it's just fits the timing perfectly

[slender fulcrum]

The more I think about it, the more Shanks went to the gurusei about BB.

1- He warned Whitebeard about him, asking him to call back Ace because he knew the ambition of BB was problematic and he didn't want BB to gain more power
2- BB gained power, he became more and more powerful with the two fruits he gained. " The scars still makes my mind aches " , pointing at BB scars on his eye.
3- After the Marineford fiasco , and the rise of BB as a Yonkou, then he just goes to higher than WB : The Gurusei, to say the exact same thing he said to him about BB. " Beware of this man ambition, he's not a joke, he is and will be dangerous. Do something about him "

[outer edge]

now that i look at it shanks really betting on the mythical zoan fruit rather thn luffy

[outer edge]

thats what i was thinking too but now idk what to think anymore after these turn of events

[brazen acorn]

yea thank you.

[slender fulcrum]

Shanks talking about Luffy to the Gurusei makes no sense. There is something more going on for Shanks since the Gurusei held him in high regards, despite him stealing the Gomu Gomu. It makes no sense for Shanks to steal the fruit then say " beware of Luffy lol ". The truth is that he went to several people warning them about BB ambition and nobody listened. So he went to the Gurusei instead

[brazen acorn]

I don't see any reason or logic behind Shanks allegedly betraying Luffy... it's more ridiculous than Luffy's new powers 😂

[outer edge]

i never expected something so unexpected like a fairy tale come to life all of sudden in op and that being our mc itself so idk guys really feeling weird with this new reveal and will see what he next chap holds

[vapid kite]

if not talking about Luffy with some plot twits, this mean they knew Gom Gom from they start and they did nothing when you could easly kill Lufyf

[obtuse horizon]

He was also betting on luffy since no one on centuries was able to awaken this fruit, just my take on this

[hallow epoch]

Nobody ever said anything like that tbh, you're reading between the lines. All I have said is that there is a direct correlation between the man who FOUND or rather STOLE the fruit and the ones who were allegedly trying to take it and apparently never have been able ot

[outer edge]

like really we just expected and all knew luffy was gonna hav a hard time or just might loose to kaido now but injure him but this is just an ass pull sorry to put it

[naive wolf]

but what if shanks somehow knew luffy has to die or something before awaken the fruit, like snitching him but not being evil at all, im confused af:c

[brazen acorn]

I'm really sure that while reading here since like 5+ hours ago people brought it up before and said stuff along the lines of Shanks doing shady stuff

[hallow epoch]

There is nothing to Snitch. The government knew about Mugiwara. imu sama held his wanted poster and is still holding off to that giant fucking hat in mari jois. They have always known it was him, the question is the awakening which was given away to them from Zunesha being present

[outer edge]

tbh all these theory of gomu gomu being a op fruit i was thinking oda wont take that route and would show that our mc will make it work or will get stronger later but this is just... idk plot armor

[brazen acorn]

It might not even be the close to death thing that awakened it. It might be Zunesha finding the right time to help Luffy awaken

[slender fulcrum]

Simple : Everyone who knows something about the void century or Nika is good as dead.
Targetting a rubber boy with a ridiculous fruit will draw attention and people will just " mmm the WG is after the gomu fruit, why, it's a stupid fruit ? " then everyone would inquiries about why, truth will somehow surface at one point and the Gurusei DONT want that.
Look with Robin, they wanted everyone in Ohara dead. They labelled Robin " demon child " and fabricated a story with a high bounty because they wanted her out of the market, what did happens? The truth was known to some about why she was important, and Crocodile protected her in the end.
Now she is reading the poneglyph for the SH and is a MAJOR threat.
It's the Streisand effect they want to avoid

[frank sleet]

In the Japanese version is written ふざけた, like "to joke" with the meaning of humoristic

[naive wolf]

yas, Zunesha presence makes kinda sense too

[hallow epoch]

Exactly, it's not "ridiculous" as in "outstandingly powerful" but rather it's a silly power.

The manga style also got all of a sudden very cartoonish if you think about it. Kaido being pulled up, twisted and smashed like it's nothing was very cartoonish. It felt like '80s comics

[naive wolf]

wg agents were talking to marygeoise casually and then "holy crap a giant elephant" and then the gorousei like "what, i cannot be"

[brazen acorn]

Also people a couple weeks ago theorized that Zunesha will be there to have Onigashima land on it or something

[grim pine]

ew no

[outer edge]

now luffy gonna make onigashima rubber like and make it reduce impact or something

i really felt like akira wrote this chap and not oda

[brazen acorn]

I doubt he will just save everything by himself

[uncut sigil]

who is akira?

[outer edge]

toriyama

[brazen acorn]

akira toriyama = guy who wrote dragon ball

[slate mirage]

since ancient and mythical zoans did exist in the past (and some still do in present), is it safe to assume sun god nika actually existed a long time ago,and maybe even other deities.

i wish we get a genesis of the world flashback someday

[outer edge]

i mean we did just see a ninetail idk how i forgot that

[hallow epoch]

That's a stretch to be honest. We have been looking at Wano for years now and there being Dragons and all makes it just as "fantastic" and disregarding the author's creative freedom of interpreting fruits is pretty bad ngl

[vivid cradle]

I think plot twists in the story will probably involve the revolutionary army.

[outer edge]

i mean literally a god fruit and that too had to be a surprise one along with it being the one that the mc has

its just something i would expect from db series

[naive wolf]

or maybe all these creature are pure lore and the peeps who create the cycle of reincarnation of devil fruits were kidding us (also it makes sense with the weird explanation of the ancient zoans and all that "this is how they hunted on past years" stuff)

[late token]

can't believe people actually called it ^^ i knew all those "resin" theories were shit

[frank sleet]

Who tf could predict a looney tunes fruit.. It was quite unthinkable

[hallow epoch]

You shouldn't read god fruit as in GODLY fruit but rather a fruit that was given the name of a god, hence "model: NIKA". The fruit itself is a hito hito no mi and its nothing new tbh

What you are looking at right now is still, in Luffy's head, the Gomu Gomu no Mi. He has no clue about anything, as always, as his fruit awakened and he might come to a conclusion about it much later. It's way different from kid and law who were very aware of their awakenings but they willingly hid them. Luffy instead was found in this state after literally getting killed by Kaido. He knew he lost and when the awakening got triggered the joy boy reincarnation actually happened and this was something Oda told us decades ago.

[late token]

in this channel people called it ^^

[vestal adder]

The question now becomes;

Does Blackbeard have a darkness god mythical down fruit as an opposite to Luffy’s Nika type?

And was the pirate shanks told the world government about actually luffy, so they would kill him in order for the awakening to activate?

Shanks clearly knew it was the nika type fruit when his crew stole it and the fruit’s will made Luffy eat it and so he had to bet on Luffy

[outer edge]

i mean the whole straw hat traveling and luffy gonna be like roger is ok and all but this him having one of the op fruits is totally unexpected i though luffy was gonna surpass everyone without any plot armor like this one(heavy plot armor)

[late token]

we still need confirmation if "death" is needed to awaken it

[outer edge]

tbh if they just said his fruit awakened it would have been ok with that but declaring the whole fruit and every thing out of nowhere makes it look like a plot armor

[frank sleet]

Lol.. I couldn't imagine that

[vestal adder]

Very true, it will be interesting to see the reveals. It definitely seems shanks knew something the world government didn’t. Perhaps a clue from roger after reaching laugh tale and learning the secrets of the world? It could be something with the binks sake lyrics of “just hold on and the dawn will come”

[late token]

me neither ^^ my take was just that the gomu gomu is actually the "fun-fun fruit" because since the beginning luffy uses his abilities at parties to make people laugh

[hallow epoch]

Again, the WG giving this fruit a "god" connotation doesn't mean the fruit itself is godly and capable of the unthinkable. The most he did right now was literally make the ground rubber as he lifted and it's very silly, which is what they mean as "ridiculous". And extending rubber properties to external objects was something WAY too obvious and totally expected. We haven't seen anything yet tbh

[outer edge]

i mean yea if they said it was his awakening i wouldnt go so nuts but then they pointed out that its no ordinary fruit and for 800 years government been trying to have it

[brazen acorn]

you think there was reincarnation? Oda mentioned before in an SBS that if a character dies, they die for good. No reincarnation. I don't think Luffy actually died.
Was close to death for sure, and probably something did trigger the awakening, Now that could be Zunesha or being so close to death, but he was so close to death before. When he was almost killed by Akainu right? He barely survived.
Same when he was almost killed by Magelan in impel down.
I don't think it was just being close to death and I don't think he actually died.
I do think Zunesha had something to do with it

[outer edge]

no ik but relating the fruit to some God(nika here) all of a sudden throws u off like all of a sudden u reading some fairy tale and anything can happen

[vestal adder]

Well it’s the first fruit to be referenced directly as a “god fruit type”, so it stands to reason there are other god-type fruits. We already have a Buddha type, a lightning god type and types like a phoenix

[hallow epoch]

It was never referred to as a god type fruit. It's a human-human fruit, of which many are already out there. Chopper, the Monk at Wano and so on... The model type though is NIKA and that's what they are referring to as a "god"

[naive wolf]

on skypia they mentionated 4 god i think

[hallow epoch]

its carrying its name its no a god fruit

[vestal adder]

I mean, that is the same thing

[quaint cargo]

Now important question are his gears actually a zoan forms ?

[hallow epoch]

It's totally not lol. It's the fruit carrying the name of what people know as Sun God Nika. It's a WHOLE different concept.

[vestal adder]

Waiting for Luffy to eat a rumble ball

[brazen acorn]

the refference to god is probably due to what that guy WW said about the people praying to the sun god to free them

[outer edge]

i hav no problem with his power what so ever its just they way they just related it with a God entity like its frm a fairy tale to enhance its importance or glorify the fruit seems so out of the box from op

i mean we all thought since doffy awakening that luffy may do something like this too

[late token]

but throughout wano it was already mentioned that luffy looks like a god or a deity when using his powers ..

[outer edge]

and yea saw this coming but this relation to a higher entity just threw me off

[brazen acorn]

a fuckton amount of stuff in One Piece is taken from fairy tales though

[vestal adder]

This is the same as arguing around whether it’s Luffy being possessed by nika, or if he is nika because he ate the fruit and inherited the “nika powers and personality” or if he is Luffy but with nika fruit powers.

They clearly referenced how insane the fruit is and how it’s the only god fruit

[hallow epoch]

So Dragons and Phoenixes are not from fairy tales?

[slate mirage]

dinosaurs still exist on little garden, and ryuma did kill a dragon( well according to the legend at least). I understand what you're saying,but i feel like these creatures did exist in the past (and after all, one piece is fantasy,so i don't see the problem with all these legendary creatures existing at some point).

[outer edge]

oi oi this is the first God like fruit they just threw at us and it had to be the mc

[hallow epoch]

Which is really not the only case.

The Hito Hito no Mi, Model: Daibutsu is Sengoku's fruit and allows him to transform into buddah.

Human-Human fruit, god relation. Do I see anyone making a whole fuss about it? No sir lol

[split glacier]

But Buddha isn't a "God".

[outer edge]

now if someone said ashura was a fruit that too would be weird

[frank sleet]

the daibutsu DF is the only DF that can be compared to the one of rufy.. I think.. They both are human mitical fruit inspired by some kind of deity

[pure raven]

Now what does it mean

[brazen acorn]

it's the human human fruit, it carries the name of a "God" the name of the God that it carries, is "Nika"
it's not a god fruit

[lean escarp]

what chapter is this

[outer edge]

see all of a sudden declaring it a mythical zoan seems weird and sounds like an out of the blue power up

[vestal adder]

What’s interesting now is how this affects the abilities of luffy; as he has been fighting and living without knowing what the powers of the fruit is, he still doesn’t know the details but can inherently use he awakened power. He’s stretching the earth to deflect kaidos move.

Users who knew what their fruits were could immediately control their powers better than most. Now that luffy will find out the not just the rubber fruit but powers of a mythical zoan god it’s likely he will gain even more control over his regular abilities just in general due to the imagination quirk of it

[quaint cargo]

But how zunisha didn't recognize luffy right in the beginning after all its same fruit and abilities, like oke i get it he's giving different vibe when his awakened from heart beat to appearance, but my man he's a rubber

[vestal adder]

The awakening is clearly something extremely rare as the person has to be the right one

[outer edge]

i mean didnt think they would make more rare thn he actually is(CoC already) didnt expect his fruit to have a higher status all of a sudden

[split glacier]

I don't think Joyboy was using Gears. There's a chance users have completely different styles.

[hallow epoch]

For a man whose last name is Monkey? Whose father is called Dragon? Bruh...

[vestal adder]

Gears.. zoan.. chopper.. points.. rumble ball..

[tribal frigate]

maybe joyboy didn't use rubber powers

[split glacier]

Those are words. Well done.

[frank sleet]

He recognized him when his heart started to beat like a drum

[outer edge]

that has no relation at all like legit the celestials claim themselves as Gods

[frank sleet]

I never thought of that.. So crocodile is really his mother :/

[late token]

he probably means on zou

[hallow epoch]

AHAHHAHA

[outer edge]

and now u show us an actual God i mean i see ur point but the thing is the powerup was cool and all but the status it holds all of a sudden

[vestal adder]

The body is rubber naturally so it’s clear rubber moves are part of joy boy’s moveset. When luffy does gear 4 he also gets flame-like haki markings on himself and means it’s been clear his nika qualities have been teased “all along” as there’s no connection to mundane rubber having fire markings or any of the looks luffy has done

[late token]

i dont like it either, bc to me luffy was cool bc he had a shit fruit and made the most of it. But it was foreshadowed throughout the story so its no ass pull to me

[outer edge]

like i do knw they hav fairy tales involved like literally skypiea the sky ppl but a Godly fruit out of no where and its first mention is that of our mc

[hallow epoch]

What do you mean actual god? Do you have any proof Nika is a god? What is "god" in the one piece world exactly? All we know for a fact is:

Nika is referred to as the Sun God. It could just as well be because of how light and bright the fruit may have looked, just like how Luffy's hair is all bright and shit now.
Also, relation between him being the "Warrior of Liberation" suggest that such a name and status is given by humans themselves. Nika was not a god as in deity or religious entity or over powered being. It was referred to as a man who carried people to having faith, which is what religion is all about.

God =/= Powerful

[vestal adder]

As for theories;

Luffy is totally going to step in for momonosuke to save the island falling after beating Kaido and turning the island to rubber

[next nimbus]

i think its balanced because we dont know the power scales of real shits like imu etc.

[outer edge]

i mean if u hinted godly fruits before (they did like marco ) but actual god name

[outer edge]

no i hav no problem with the power its just what it is related too

[hallow epoch]

It's not an actual god, it's a LEGEND

[abstract pond]

Is not a godly fruit. It's human human model nika.
Sun god nika is just the title that it had. Like celestial dragons have nothing of celestisl or dragons.

[hallow epoch]

Nika was a legendary, possibly mythical warrior that was once revered as the Sun God by slaves from ancient times.

Period. People revering him, calling him like that doesn't make him a higher being.

[vestal adder]

Actual god? They have only referenced the Nika fruit as a god type fruit. The others like the Buddha are implied but not directly mentioned as god quality or type.

The whole series relies on luffy being a twist of fate where shanks seems to have intended his stolen nika fruit to be for Ace, rogers son.

[late token]

we also have "gods" like the lunarians, the were referred to as gods too. So the concept of gods (but gods just being legends) is always present in one piece

[obtuse horizon]

The status it holds is "liberation warrior" like the title of the chapter. And we've seen this theme the whole time in the story, idk why people get so hyped up about "God". It is probably just that people who were enslaved prayed to the sun and then some dude with this devilfruit came and rescued them, hence they called him sun god, thats it in my opinion, there is no more to this whole God thing

[abstract pond]

Its no more godly than Budha fruit of Sengoku

[brazen acorn]

the only "god" we've seen until now is Enel

https://tenor.com/view/mandem-enel-one-piece-shock-gif-23282505

[outer edge]

seems like a really good explanation if u ask me but if this is how they put it in the next chaps and all im cool thats why i wanted to wait for next chap coz its all of a sudden

[tiny zinc]

Sengoku hito hito no mi Bouddha

[brazen acorn]

and guess what, he was a "god" and also had ridiculously funny reaction 😂

[vestal adder]

It’s more likely joy boy just had extraordinary powers for thousands of years and that the will of d is what brings around the dawn in face of an oppressed word. Because of his incredible powers he gets referred to as a god through history

[hallow epoch]

They never said it's a god type fruit. They said its a human-human type fruit, and its model "NIKA", is in fact that of a legend narrating the existence of a man called NIKA who was revered and called the Sun God, the man who freed slaves. Legend. It's a legend.

[vestal adder]

Mythical zoan is a clash with that

[split glacier]

There's only OP gods in OP, "real" gods don't exist in OP. Buddha isn't a God so that's why he probably exists in OP. A quick Google search will let you know that

[vestal adder]

If it was “just a zoan” that would fly, but it’s a mythical zoan and thus it transcends any regular logic

[graceful willow]

Along other powers, the hito-hito no mi model Sun God Nika has powers to make others happy. Evidence of that is the comical behavior of luffy in the chapter. And we also know that Joyboy was the previous awakened user of this df.. and who has went to laughtale other than Roger?? JOYBOY. It all comes into place, the one piece is a joke and that joke is to be said by Luffy, the awakened user of the df after 800 years.

Basically the One Piece is to be used by Luffy and his new powers to make everyone laugh which will bring a metaphorical dawn in people's heart. Inferring, happiness is the greatest treasure!

[outer edge]

well ill wait for next chap to see what else they gonna add

[brazen acorn]

they said that it's a human human fruit THAT CARRIES THE NAME of a "GOD" they even put the god in quatation marks, meaning it might NOT EVEN BE A REAL GOD

[tribal frigate]

the power could depend on the users imagination, Luffy was told by shanks that his fruit is a rubber fruit so he became a rubberman and Joyboy could have had a completely different power, only the awakening is what connects both of them therefore Zunesha was able to sense that. As for the flame markings, imo its kind of a stretch to say that it represents sun god nika tbh.

[brazen acorn]

actually it MOST LIKELY isn't even a real god

[outer edge]

but that aside we all got his awakening right (everything to rubber)

[brazen acorn]

we first need to see how the 3 weapons will be used

[hallow epoch]

This is wrong sorry. There are many mythycal zoan type fruits:

Marco
Sengoku
Orochi
Caterina Devon
Kaido
The Monk ain Wano called Onimaru

And the last of, all, which we must not forget. YAMATO's, which is in fact Wano's guardian** DEITY.**

[sharp mason]

oda said it multiple times that one piece is an actual thing, not a concept

[late token]

no they said that it always has the properties of rubber

[frank sleet]

That s poetic

[vestal adder]

I mean this doesn’t make sense. For him to ingest the nika type human human fruit and only told it’s a rubber fruit; the basic quality of the nika fruit- it makes no sense that he suddenly is disconnected from the nika powers.

The nika fruit powers are rubber-body and extra godlike powers and range of his rubber qualities as well as a “power of imagination” it seems.

[lucid grail]

Is it basically confirmed now that Shanks meant Luffy by "a certain pirate" and told the WG about the gomu gomu no mi being actually the hito hito no mi model nika?
Because otherwise, if the WG always knew this, they would have killed/defeated Luffy way sooner.
Furthermore the WG suddenly changed their objective during the war and out of the nowhere ordered CP0 to kill Luffy.

[outer edge]

shd hav made it the bunjee gum fruit

[outer edge]

did u come up with this if so its cool

[vestal adder]

I think the “imagination” part means if he can apply rubber logic to something, it will work against or for people

[brazen acorn]

also the Model is NOT SUN GOD NIKA
it's just Nika
https://puu.sh/IQJ3H.png

[obtuse horizon]

I think he told them about blackbeard

[graceful willow]

hmm.. no wonder why we didnt see any actual thing of the one piece, but saw a concept of laughter...

[lucid grail]

The only question is why would Shanks tell the WG an information like this?
Probably because he wants to deescalte and avoid conflicts?

[graceful willow]

arigatou :)

[outer edge]

rip cp0 member

[hallow epoch]

yes, please. this is not clear enough. this fruit is not a god fruit. it just so happens that the model of the fruit, Nika, refers and probably was owned by the late Nika, who was also called "Sun God" because of many variousreasons

[lucid grail]

If so, its a big plot hole, because if the WG always knew about the gomu gomu no mis real power, they could have sent an admiral after luffy and eliminate him way sooner

[graceful willow]

it is bruv, its a "mythical" zoan fruit.. like phoenix, buddha, etc..

[obtuse horizon]

Nah i think BB makes more sense, shanks was always worried about BB

[brazen acorn]

Who's who mentions it before in previous chapter, i gotta find it and screenshot it, sec

[late token]

oh yeah thats kinda BS. Hope they clear this up somehow

[vestal adder]

You seem to be ignoring that this is a story of fantasy and that there are gods referenced everywhere.

For them to then claim it’s a god-like fruit or a fruit with a ultra-rare distinct personality god named “nika” instead of generic name Human Human Fruit: Model Sun God” debunks you.

On top of that, and sad to say it but luffy is the protagonist and clearly has plot armor to save him and heighten his fruit to legendary status above all other fruits. The proof of that it just this, it’s not a rubber fruit it’s a mythical zoan of a sun god specifically named nika

[lucid grail]

My biggest concern after this chapter, only solution I came up with is the WG didn't exactly know which fruit was the nika fruit, so they hunted for fruits in general.
But shanks knew and told them, Indon't knoe the reason though and couldn't think of one.

[tribal frigate]

yeah, idk im still confused like thr nika fruit has the properties of rubber but at the same time power of imagination? that means endless possibilities without boundaries?

[lucid grail]

Thats also why they sent whos is who to get the gomu gomu, not because they knew it was the nika fruit, they just collected in fruits in general to find the nika fruit

[vestal adder]

It’s pretty clear they didn’t know and shanks told them it really is luffy and the gomu gomu was confirmed to be the nika fruit

[carmine anvil]

Big message incoming, though I'm serious about it

[dapper cloak]

I wonder if it’s because they wanted luffy to rampage and defeat big name pirates for them, that’s the first time they heard about him. Then when he became a true threat they send cp0

OR it could be that IM decided to leave luffy alive for the time being and WG has to follow IMs orders.. then he finally decides he must die

[lucid grail]

Yeah it must be like this

[outer edge]

no no they say its op coz it can turn anything to rubber so based on ur imagination u can change anything to rubber and use as u like (luffy literally making ground rubber to bounce kaido attack)

[frank sleet]

I think that this was quite a surprise for the gorosei too..

[tribal frigate]

ohhh ok i understand now thank you

[hallow epoch]

It's a Mythical Zoan, of rubber properties, whose model is Nika. A man who is a legend to the point people refer to him as God. My point is that Luffy's fruit is not that of a god, intended as a superior being. That's all

[late token]

but if they didnt know, why did oda bring up the whole who is who story ... they had to know and then just conveniently ignore ruffy in his first year ^^

[lucid grail]

The question is only why would shanks do this? I always thought of shanks as someone who hates unnecessary bloodshed, that's why he stopped marineford.
Maybe he wants to "stop" Luffy from causing an uproar in the world that will probably lead to the biggest war of all time?

[desert spindle]

He can change the properties of rubber aswell??? He changed the tragectory of his moves

[outer edge]

i would like to knw how these fruit originated and may link back to over 800+ years

[lucid grail]

I mean by telling the gorosei that Luffys gomu gomu no mi is the model nika, he simply endangered Luffys death through CP0 agents on wano, which is crazy to think about

[vale current]

What do you mean by "joke"? A some tale itself (the truth Roger discovered) or something tangent that is so rather bizarre/weird and thus even comical?
Didn't Oda say OP is a real thing?!

[carmine anvil]

Honestly, I feel like Shanks planned most of what led us to the current chapter.

I believe Shanks knew what the fruit is all along and that's why he stole it, but I do not think he anticipated Luffy eating it, which is why he was eager to make him spit out.

After that, Shanks started seeing Roger in Luffy, and therefore, he saw the potential in what Luffy could become, and that's why he gave him his straw hat, serving as a motivational push.

I believe the Nika fruit can only be awakened in a near(?)-death experience, but there must be some conditions present in its user first, which I believe to be at least being able to use advanced conqueror's haki.

When Shanks saw the newspaper about Luffy after WCI, he said he thinks he will be able to see him soon, thus Shanks further believing that Luffy really has the potential to become Joyboy and it's now the correct time to move.

After that, Shanks made a plan and went to Mariejois to talk to the gorosei about a "certain pirate" (as we saw). I believe he told them that they are underestimating Luffy and he is trying to bait them by telling them that he could awaken in any moment, forcing them to take action for Kaido to (almost?) kill Luffy, but Shanks's ulterior motive is that he knows the fruit can only be awakened in a near(?)-death experience, so, he put Luffy in that position because he believes he is now good enough to awaken.

[brazen acorn]

found it

[carmine anvil]

My "two" cents

[outer edge]

ooo

[dapper cloak]

This theory makes a lot of sense and is well thought out!

[desert spindle]

Good one

[lucid grail]

So he wants luffy to get nearly killed, so that Joyboy can reawaken? Thats some naruto level shit

[dapper cloak]

Or maybe it’s literally killed. As in, your heart stops for a moment

[vestal adder]

Yeah I think we’re all on the same track with this. It seems the line of what is a real god in their world and what is “characters of such legendary status they are referred to as gods and have powers similar or reminiscent of other fictional god creatures” is what needs some clarification. It’s clear they don’t have a “one god” or religion in Oda’s story, but fictional creatures and godlike beings are physical through devil fruits.

So some divine intervention created the fruits and some are better than others but we don’t know the limits of it all. Laugh tale might contain the Adam tree the fruits originate from for example. What else is there that’s unknown and not defined for the readers yet?

[carmine anvil]

I'm talking about the devil fruit awakening

[desert spindle]

Hmmm

[brazen acorn]

it's good theory but I doubt Shanks would risk Luffy's life like that.

[lucid grail]

I think awakening the model nika = being joyboy

[carmine anvil]

Me too

[late token]

Maybe all Devil fruits only awaken by near death experience Kid awakened when his arm got cut off and maybe law awakened during dressrosa but didnt realise it till later

[lucid grail]

What I dont understand is why didnt shanks eat the fruit himself?

[outer edge]

which chap is this

[carmine anvil]

Hmm, plausible, but maybe Shanks had high faith in Luffy and was ready to risk it, given how big the result would be if he actually succeeded (and he did)

[desert spindle]

He couldn't?????

[late token]

bc he is no D. but the kid of a tenryuubito

[brazen acorn]

I believe it is 1018, found it on google images

[outer edge]

oo

[lucid grail]

Why couldn't he? He had the fruit before luffy ate it, and isn't a df user himself

[rare talon]

Wait is he?

[desert spindle]

Not a D.

[outer edge]

that one panel really hints this nika but it being a fruit related thing was totally weird

[brazen acorn]

He could either plan to, or try to discuss with strong people that he trusted on who should take it. Maybe he wanted to give it to Ace since he was Roger's son. Who knows.

[late token]

nah thats just my headcanon for god valley incident ^^

[rare talon]

ohh aight

[lucid grail]

Thats probably one reason, but him being a tenryuubito is still only a theory

[carmine anvil]

Maybe Joyboy has to have the will of D? It's really hard to answer since we don't know what the will of D is in the first place

[outer edge]

thnx for finding that but maybe shd hav stressed that story more every now and then so i wouldnt hav forgotten that

everyone calling luffy straw hat sir

[brazen acorn]

yea the whole story is so spread through the chapters it confuses you and you forget stuff, we need a god damn reread of th entire wano arc

[outer edge]

btw will of D originated when exactly?

[lucid grail]

Yeah thats maybe why

[desert spindle]

Maybe it was intended to be like that

[vestal adder]

This is a good take.

The awakening seems to be the rare part of the fruit as through 800 years people have tried to become joyboy ak trying to awaken their fruits and be the joyboy.

Joyboy today is basically Luffy. So in another 800 years it’ll be “The Luffy! He’s back!”

[late token]

we dont know but probably ancient kingdom

[tribal frigate]

He probably just has no interest in eating it or wasnt destined to eat it. The fruit chooses its users remember?

[lucid grail]

I think of joyboy as a title, so in 800 years they will still say joyboy, but otherwise yeah basically as you said

[lucid grail]

The fruit chooses its users? Since when was that a thing? We are not in Harry Potter

[late token]

haha ^^

[vestal adder]

Likely since “ancient times” and that typical “beginning of the world” imo

[brazen acorn]

However it's strange that BB doesn't seem to care about Luffy's fruit, thankfully he appears to be clueless about it. That may be one reason why Shanks went to the Elders too. Or maybe BB doesn't care about it cause all he cares about is destruction and the 2 DFs he has are very well capable of that

[vestal adder]

Fruits have a will to influence and avoid people similar to the ring in Lord of the Rings

[lucid grail]

I just hope Oda thought this through and this won't be the beginning of major plotholes opening up in one piece

[desert spindle]

BB fruit and luffy fruit kinda look the same

[dapper cloak]

He has to have thought it through.. he made joy boy well before this reveal. So in theory he’s planned all of this

[frank sleet]

That's a good one.. I think that in some way Roger instructed Shanks before his death.. Probably he asked him to find that fruit and to keep it for the man that joyboy awaited.. With the diaologue from the gorosei we know that this kind of zoan fruit have some kind of "will".. It is as if the Nika DF wanted to be eaten by rufy...and so Shanks decided to bet on Rufy

[desert spindle]

He did plan this out from the first chapters so

[carmine anvil]

Oh, that kinda makes sense actually

[brazen acorn]

maybe?

all that swirling on the fruits reminds me of sanji lol

[lucid grail]

He only knew from the beginning what the one piece is going to be.
I don't think he knew what gewr 2, 3, 4 or 5 will be from the beginning and so on.
Minor details are generally evolving during the story and not from the beginning.
The supernova were an addition suggested by his editor and are very popular as well as integral to the main plot now.

[frank sleet]

Sun and dark

[vestal adder]

Totally intended for Ace initially until it influenced fate to have luffy eat it

[lucid grail]

Damn

[hushed zenith]

watch Oda reveal BB fruit is hito hito no mi model Myth Darkness God so itll be complete opposite of luffy

[vestal adder]

100%

[brazen acorn]

[desert spindle]

Na it's already oposite darkvs sun tremor vs rubber

[hushed zenith]

[frank sleet]

Nahh not again 😩 😩

[outer edge]

maybe bb fruit can hint to an evil figure in za past that was against freedom

[bleak tangle]

What do you think will fit the 5-6 df in the straw hat crew

[desert spindle]

BB son of rocks or shanks son of rocks?

[carmine anvil]

"za past" ze ha ha ha ha

[bleak tangle]

enel's goro-goro no mi?

[outer edge]

took the G5 pic and cropped it

[brazen acorn]

when you can hear a sound just from reading text

[lucid grail]

Do you think Luffy died actually or only near-death? I think he died and that triggered the awakening

[dapper cloak]

I think he died as well.

[desert spindle]

ゼハハハハハハ

[carmine anvil]

He probably did because Kaido was so sure that he did

[outer edge]

whenever the story removes a laugher another shall take its place(sheee sheee - ze ha ha ha ha)

[dapper cloak]

It literally said “Victor kaido”

[brazen acorn]

I def not think Luffy died. Oda said before that once a character dies, they are dead for good. He doesn't like people coming back from the dead. he has said so in a past SBS.

[carmine anvil]

And even the others couldn't "hear" his "voice" anymore

[tribal frigate]

mb didn't mean that the fruit chooses its users, we know that the fruit has a spirit of its own and its implied that it maybe has to a degree a power to choose its users, thats just what i think

[desert spindle]

Picaaa picaaaa picaaa picaaaaa

[outer edge]

luffy is kinda awake(so is his fruit now)

[brazen acorn]

Luffy was knocked out, didn't die. Just how I don't think BM actually died for good.

[carmine anvil]

Tbh it doesn't really make a big difference

[frank sleet]

Yepp I think the same

[lucid grail]

Bro you watch One Piece? Ever seen all of the characters that came back from being "dead" lol

[outer edge]

literally a new laughing sound every arc

[dapper cloak]

Everyone knows if luffy was still alive he would always keep fighting. The only way kaido could have won (even for a few moments) is if luffy actually died… in my opinion

[brazen acorn]

never saw a character dying and coming back. No.

[carmine anvil]

But in reality, they weren't actually dead

[lucid grail]

Thats true, I understand

[outer edge]

bruh man is literally talking

[desert spindle]

Next laugh kainuuuuu kainuuu kainuuuuuuu

[carmine anvil]

Pica pica picarararara

[lucid grail]

Pell? Kinemon? Pound?

[dapper cloak]

I know, I think his heart stopped for a few moments before he awakened and it restarted

[carmine anvil]

They didn't die
They were fakes deaths (which I hate)

[outer edge]

pell saw his grave literally

[vestal adder]

This is just setting up for a Naruto clash of ultimate primeval forces and gods, so I hope the story doesn't go that way but has a more "what are devil fruits, oh they're born of the animosity of the world?" type arc instead or something.

[naive wolf]

you mean that Oda said that he aint like to revive people who already died, like on naruto the edo tensei and that stuff, right

[frank sleet]

Even kinemon didn't die ahah and we was brutally chopped by kaido

[brazen acorn]

non was confirmed dead. they were badly injured lol. Who was pound?

[open oracle]

leaving all this aside to think that it gonna take almost a year for this godly chapter to be animated f**ks my brain ._.

[desert spindle]

What if one piece is just one piece and there are 99 more pieces to go to make it all one piece no wonder rojer laughed and died

[lucid grail]

Lolas father

[carmine anvil]

Really doubt that's the case

[open oracle]

now thats scary stuff

[outer edge]

he wanted to stretch more before he died thats why zuneisha triggered joyboy(awakening) btw what was doffy trigger

[brazen acorn]

Yea non was confirmed dead lmao.
And I gotta find that SBS @naive wolf I'll find it and post it gimme a few mins

[weak wadi]

My friend who knows oda says enel is going to enter manga again in next arc and eventually join strawhats.

[dapper cloak]

Fair point.

[carmine anvil]

@vestal moth Maybe, but if that's the case, now we have no idea why the gorosei randomly wanted Luffy dead
Like, why didn't they want him dead before but now??

[still yacht]

Crazy

[outer edge]

'somewhere in this laugh i am with u' moment

[nova cosmos]

I think the Moon has a major role in one piece

[dapper cloak]

Maybe they wanted him dead but he kept defeating big name pirates and so they let him carry on for a bit

[open oracle]

maybe shanks told them something which triggered them

[lucid grail]

No, after this chapter the chance of the "certain pirate" being blackbeard is very slim.
Because else the gorosei must have known about the model nika fruit from the beginning, which would be a big plothole.
Furthermore they ordered CP0 out of nowhere go kill Luffy and even sacrificed an agent to achieve this.

[desert spindle]

What if it's 3 of them 3 twins??? 3guns????? 3skulls on flag???? 3scars on shanks???? 3types of teeth difference in manga?????

[frank sleet]

The moonS

[vestal adder]

Watch as luffy starts reviving people like naruto
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-3815682a42c030a4abcc7c1f6ccbabec

[outer edge]

this has been told alot but now its the suns turn

[vestal moth]

The certain pirate might be Blackbeard as well. As we can assume that Blackbeard can eat 3 devil fruit.

We know Shanks is always pre prepared. He warned Whitebeard tp stop Ace. In the same case it might be possible that Shanks warned Gorosei to keep an eye on Blackbeard.

Blackbeard is a calculative character. His third devil fruit, he might aim on a legendary fruit which may be possible be in World Government control.

[weak wadi]

yeah aparently he has a poneglyph from the moon. But not sure if he wants to do it yet.

[nova cosmos]

I agree with you.

[outer edge]

but can he revive zoros sense of direction

[hushed harness]

Just noticed Luffy in G5 has Sanji eyebrows, Judge was experimenting with some god/mythic Gene's?

[desert spindle]

He has strongest paramecia and logia so strongest soan??????

[hasty remnant]

i need to know more about this nika

[lucid grail]

Its pretty much obvious now that the "certain pirate" needs to be Luffy, I can't see any other way how Oda can write himself out of this major plothole

[vestal adder]

Zoro about to avoid death because he got lost on the way to it

[still yacht]

Na the sanji got his eyebrows from his mom

[frank sleet]

Pound is the only one I can't comprehend.. He should be dead and in that situation was poetic.. Idk the meaning to keep him alive

[unreal zenith]

were gonna need the will of d explained to know for sure

[vestal adder]

This was interesting, but Luffy's nika eyebrows are cloud-like, not sanji-like

[nova cosmos]

Common Theory: Luffy's Fruit is 3 in 1. I can't explain further since I will spoil.

[outer edge]

literally made the meme into reality oda

[carmine anvil]

Dunno if my discord is tripping or not, but I already replied to you above

[brazen acorn]

I think it was chapter 1018 if you wanna look into it

[lucid grail]

By "ridiculous powers" do you think the strength is ridiculous in terms of too OP or just ridiculous because of how absurd it is?

[carmine anvil]

@vestal moth

[desert spindle]

Explain in DM in need it

[outer edge]

he pbl enjoying ww2 but will get back to his body once he ded there

[still yacht]

Marcos mythical zoan kinda has trails from all the 3 types of fruit

[late token]

yeah its the only way ... i don't see another explanation as well ... but then he also has to come up with some excuse for the who is who story

[naive wolf]

||911|| 😢

[hushed harness]

Chapter is already out, you can go all out (or am I wrong?)

[outer edge]

what spoil we right at the latest chap

[carmine anvil]

There are no spoilers past this point yet

[nova cosmos]

oh

[unreal zenith]

be careful guys we dont know what kinda tea this guy has

[outer edge]

• this is theories ...

[desert notch]

So you guys know the three ancient weapons right? We know about two of them. Pluton is a warship and Poseidon is a mermaid which can talk to great beasts. We never heard of Uranos. And i think it is the nika zoan fruit. Everything checks out. It hasn't been used since the void century (they said that the fruit has been running from them for 800 years). It holds great power that could possibly change or end the world

[carmine anvil]

I think he didn't realize the chapter dropped in #announcements

[outer edge]

a literal df(human human fruit)

[brazen acorn]

Found it! It wasn't in SBS but he said so in an interview.
https://www.opfanpage.com/2022/03/10/oda-revealed-why-dead-characters-in-one-piece-don1-revive/

"Eiichiro Oda: Revival of a human isn’t natural, right? (laugh)
If a mangaka ends up reviving the dead, he shouldn’t have killed that character in the first place."
"My characters don’t die even if they are thrown into a desperate situation.
On top of that, I have been hating the revival of dead characters ever since I was a kid. It made me doubt a mangaka, like “The reason why this mangaka revived a certain character may be because the character was popular…”"

[dapper cloak]

I mentioned this before but, we all have to remember we’re hearing the story specifically from the world government. They will have biases just like the other characters. They may know a lot, but they can hype up Nika quite a bit specifically because they’ve never been able to get hold of that fruit.

[lunar patrol]

I don't think so. I don't think it is a coincidence that its the sun god and three names based off of planets tbh.

[frank sleet]

In the Japanese version is written ふざけた as "to joke" "playful" with the meaning of humoristic in some way

[outer edge]

man just said shdnt hav killed in first place(rip isekai)

[vestal adder]

Shanks clearly knows something the world government doesn't about the fruit, so him telling them about it has to have been a deal for trade of information about it. What did he gain from telling them?

The idea he would just tell them and be all "lol it's luffy and the nika type" for no reason or monetary/info reward is flawed logic.

But I'm guessing roger might have told him something about it, or he has learned over time hunting poneglyphs and traveling the world that makes the holder of the nika type fruit required a certain death to activate or promote the awakening. It's going to be a tale of a gamble to bet it all on luffy being the next joyboy but if he survives and awakens or not would be the true gamble of the ordeal.

[sick crown]

what if when zoro took all of luffy's pain from kuma, he took the tole of the usages of gear 2nd and 3rd during enies lobby and thats why he is drying right now

[unreal zenith]

shanks=joyboy

[vestal moth]

Maybe another legendary devil fruit.

I strongly think that the Mariejois Treasure might be a devil fruit.

[brazen acorn]

"I won’t do what I doubted as a kid and I’ll do what I wanted a mangaka to do.Years have passed since One Piece started, but my criteria hasn’t changed that I should satisfy 15-years-old myself."
Luffy never died. Non did any of the characters in one piece that are still alive.

[outer edge]

shanks and ray

[lucid grail]

The who is who story only said that it was his task to get the gomu gomu no mi. Who is who later learned from a prison guard (after being imprisoned for failing) that he should pray to sun god nika.
Later the unnamed prison guard "vanished"
Who is who connected these two things and thought the gomu gomu no mi is special, while the WG didn't really which fruit was the model nika only that it existed.
The WG didn't especially search for the gomu gomu no mi, but for any fruit.
That would be my take to explain it I guess

[outer edge]

but what was doffy awakening trigger again?

[naive wolf]

only zoro is still on doubt to be outta this equation

[outer edge]

how many awakenings hav we witnessed

[dapper cloak]

Did he say anything about how?

[desert notch]

imo he was experimenting with lunarian genes. The timeline makes sense. Vegapunk met King. He took dna samples from King for further research about the lunarians. Judge (who already stole vegapunk's research multiple times,stole the lunarian genes to experiment on sanji. It would kind of make sense. Luffy has the sun god powers. Sanji has the power of the lunarians (luna/lunar means moon in latin)

[brazen acorn]

xD Zoro is just the ultimate fucking TANK

[hasty remnant]

question, is shanks is the real enemy here?

[carmine anvil]

Yes, I believe so too
Also, remember when WB talked to Shanks about his arm, and Shanks said, "I bet it on the next era"?
We know Shanks is the type to place bets

[outer edge]

i mean he did it right in front of everyone after something something sooo

[desert notch]

yes?

[vestal moth]

@carmine anvil

[carmine anvil]

[dapper cloak]

I only remember him saying he awakened but I can’t remember him saying “I awakened because….”

[outer edge]

so the other weapon hinted to be a devil fruit?

[vestal adder]

And come out on top ☝🏻

[hushed harness]

The big issue with Zunisha calling Luffy "JoyBoy" the moment he awakens the "Nika" DF is interesting.
Was JoyBoy Nika? Or he just got his powers from a DF too?
If he was Nika, maybe we have the first case of a humanoid who's powers where reincarnated in the form of a DF and maybe the first strong clue on how DF were originally created!

[carmine anvil]

Really, really, really doubt it

[outer edge]

just need them to tell us how these fruits came into existence

[desert notch]

not really. This is just a speculation.

[naive wolf]

did Shanks ever ever talk about destinity or he is lilke a random but powerful guy around

[lucid grail]

I think awakening nika fruit = joyboy

[outer edge]

no no im asking if ur speculation reaching that conclusion

[vestal adder]

Definitely just the vibes she felt from his fruit's awakening. How would she know what a luffy is? She/it only knows what joyboy's voice of everything's vibe is

[vestal moth]

World Government regards Power as a treasure. And it may be possible that the Mariejois Treasure might be a legendary Devil Fruit and Blackbeard might be after that

[naive wolf]

is joyboy some kinda avatar state 😕

[weak wadi]

Spoilers for next ark. On way to eblaf there is a mini arc which involves enel and a few automata coming back to earth and encountering luffy and friends. We learn the history of the fairy race and that they descended from fairy earth which is the moon. Enel also brings a a poneglyph from the moon which has details on Uranus which is another key component along with Poseidon. More of this will be found out in raftel which I can't spoil yet.

[desert notch]

they kinda did at the beginning of the series. Not how were they created,but what created them. It is said that these things called sea devils (which we have little to no information about),that created the fruits

[outer edge]

thank u timetraveller san

[carmine anvil]

Gorosei said Nika fruit users put smiles on faces everywhere, so, looking at the name Joyboy, I feel like it makes sense that the original Joyboy was a Nika fruit user

[weak wadi]

All forgot enel also joins crew all they gain all numbers.

[brazen acorn]

what if, the former man who awakened the gomu gomu no mi BEFORE Joyboy was also nicknamed Nika, and Joyboy is also a nickname, because Gomu Gomu no mi is supposed to be a very happy Joyfull man?

[lucid grail]

I really hope usopp gets some mjolnir type of weapon in elbaf, which would finally make his lie of wielding a 5t hammer come true lol

[frank sleet]

When he hear the "drums of liberation" he really hear the heartbeat of rufy ... Probably was the same heartbeat that accompanied joyboy

[desert notch]

i think there is nothing pointing at what the third ancient weapon might be. But the human human-model nika fits the description

[vestal adder]

Joyboy is a person that had the same fruit and personality traits as luffy only 800 years ago, and the awakening is unleashing the full potential of his powers which liberated the world.

Imo the question is more "did he lose 800 years ago" or did they win somehow? Was Joyboy alone and decided to let another era solve the issues of the world? Those are the more pressing questions imo

[hasty remnant]

mystery

[desert notch]

isn't joyboy more of a title than a person?

[carmine anvil]

Yeah

[hasty remnant]

depends

[brazen acorn]

btw don't come back here saying "sAbO wAs KiLlED" if we see him being alive that means he avoided death once again.

[carmine anvil]

Sure thing
Doesn't disprove what we are saying tho

[desert notch]

yeah

[weak wadi]

I don't know much of elbaf, but it is not a big arc like wano was. It is important though as it explains more about other races and nika.

[vestal adder]

At this point it seems to be the same. "The Joyboy" is the same as the name "joyboy". Until Oda provides more lore reveals on joyboy we can only assume it's a title and a name.

It might even be "the boy who made everyone laugh", the boy who spreads joy and that became his title somehow

[outer edge]

but this is the first time seeing this kind of thing by op where the focusing a lot on fate rather thn struggle and that everything is moving according to fate rather thn ppl fighting their fate

[frank sleet]

Roger specifically said "what an interesting person you are.. I wanted to know you" not literally but something like that

[outer edge]

pretty fairy tale like(my prince will come to save me kind of thing)

[brazen acorn]

I get that idea. It would make a lot of sense.

[carmine anvil]

I highly doubt OP is a story of fate
It's more of a story about Freedom

[naive wolf]

is is luffy on nirvana rightnow?

[frank sleet]

I think he is on shrooms right now

[desert notch]

one piece is aot confirmed

[pure raven]

No I don’t want that

[carmine anvil]

Perhaps all previous Nika fruit users failed to bring the dawn, but since Luffy in his nature wants to be the freest person, that's why he is the one

[naive wolf]

i mean kaido is full of buddhism catch phrases

[pure raven]

I want one piece to be good for 10 years at least

[carmine anvil]

Not a child of prophecy, but the result of his actions

[outer edge]

so shanks understood the too early part and tried to find out the whole stick then landed on this joy boy theory leading him to planting the whole joy boy awakening from the start(man shanks playing the aizen role?)

[carmine anvil]

I really hate the "child of prophecy" trope

[kind kindle]

us

[outer edge]

yes this this is what seems weird in op

[hushed harness]

Imo Luffy its following it's own path, the fact that someone predicted that someone will reach this point 800 years ago doesnt change the fact that Luffys own volition got him here (with lots of help of ppl that are not considered in the "prophecy)

[outer edge]

and this literally just happened

[carmine anvil]

What I'm saying is that I don't believe OP is going in that direction

[brazen acorn]

Do we know if there were other people before in the past hundreds of years that had Luffy's fruit?

[carmine anvil]

There could have been

[outer edge]

that we will knw in next chaps for now thats what i think just happened

[brazen acorn]

We know that the WG couldn't find it. But we don't know if there were people that actually had it

[vestal adder]

Yeah it's pretty clear the dawn of the "new world" is an act of liberation where the timing of fruits and people matches in the right way, so the world government and oppressors are removed from their gentle lives controlling the world and the world is again free as luffy makes everyone as free as him

[outer edge]

WG were retrieving it and shanks stole it

[frank sleet]

Yepp.. I really feared that rufy was some kind of reincarnation and that no one could listen his "voice" because some presence has taken the control of his body...

[outer edge]

basically he said SIKE

[naive wolf]

remember the two worshipped animals on Alabasta kingdom, and the two guards of palaces which zoan have them? it clear df zoan's will, so yeah, i bet Noland have it too ye ye

[lime cape]

but that "free" is more like "I can stretch myself as I want, without limits"

[brazen acorn]

Yea but we don't know what was happening with the fruit before that.

[carmine anvil]

I don't believe Luffy was not destined to bring the dawn from before his birth
It's more that his actions are what will bring the dawn

It's basically "what if the fruit met the right person"

[desert notch]

i kinda believed that luffy's awakening will be sun wukong. Like everything is just pointing at the idea that one piece is basically journey to the west. A great godly being (sun wukong,or luffy) getting a squad of other great fighters goes westward to get a great treasure. Along with the fact that one piece is literally a journey to the west-going westward,torwards laugh tale,starting out at east blue

[hushed harness]

Exactly

[vestal adder]

I think it's fairly clear that free has multiple meanings overall, since the only reason luffy wants to be the pirate king is because that person is the most free person in the world

[carmine anvil]

Luffy by his nature wants to be free, which is why he is Joyboy
Not because he is a child of prophecy (he isn't)

[frank sleet]

It s like the fruit chose his owner

[slender fulcrum]

It does make sense. It's a " rubber human " => Baseline => Being a rubber human , awakening => full control over his body and his surrounding, not limitation + bolstering aura, stamina and strength increased

[outer edge]

the way they show it makes it look like that again im saying i dont think the power is bs or anything its just the relation of the power

[carmine anvil]

If Luffy wasn't Luffy, he wouldn't have awakened the fruit

[brazen acorn]

that I agree with

[outer edge]

they shd hav broken it down slower imo but put it in one panel with the goro

[vestal adder]

One interesting part is the fire he can create, as rubber inherently has no fire-inducing properties and he sets his fist on fire similarly to how sanji inflames his legs. It's definitely just a liberty of fiction and that it's a cartoon, but he's not "just a rubber person". There's some mythical qualities in there for sure

[hushed harness]

If you think about it, most amazing scenarios in real life are just that, the right ppl, in the right moment did something. The fact that someone said before that it could be done doesn't make the guy who made the action a "child of prophesy" it just talks about the amount of effort put to make that future true

[pure raven]

Human human fruit that carries the name of a god And zoan types have a will of their own And it all sums up to nika making himself a fruit? What i said was all mentioned in the last chapter 1044

[brazen acorn]

It's not all in the DF, I think as DFs have the power to avoid stuff they also can choose who they will go to. And I think this one chose Luffy.

[outer edge]

like after news travelled if they spilled the liberation thing i would understand but right on the spot

[vestal adder]

But by liberating the world and setting everyone free from the World Government.. he becomes the child/person of the prophecy ...

[eager frost]

They basically just said how incompetent WG have always been and we know there is a secret branch that has some morality in them (SWORD) Which could've existed for a long time as well secretly making sure those elders didn't get their way and keeping this fruit away could be one of the things they helped with(like leaking info to shanks about the location when it got too close).

[vestal adder]

Well Who's Who was the one super powerful agent who lost a fruit by shanks, another super powerful person

[carmine anvil]

That's like saying anyone who achieves anything is a child of prophecy

[outer edge]

anywho all things will hav more meaning next week

[pure raven]

Zoan types are made from the actual individual so if his fruit is called human human fruit and carries the name of a god it makes sense that nika made himself a df

[vestal adder]

Well they've waited 800 years for an awakening, if the fruit was given to Ace it wouldn't be the personality traits and soul of luffy so Ace wouldn't become Joy boy

[pure raven]

Predictions on how many chapters it takes gear 5th luffy to wreck kaido?

[brazen acorn]

imagine if one of the Elders is a traitor

[carmine anvil]

Or maybe he was the original user and the fruit was named after him

[outer edge]

what where did that come frm

[eager frost]

hehe plot twists

[vestal adder]

It seems the fight will end on luffy winning next chapter

[pure raven]

U have a point but but carrying the name just because one used it?

[carmine anvil]

That just means Luffy had what it takes in him, not that he was a child of prophecy

[hushed harness]

I mean if buddha existed that would be a pretty big deal

[outer edge]

and here we thought luffy would loose or barely survive but man pulling through like jiren vs goku

[carmine anvil]

He probably had big achievements and that's why

[grim pine]

https://tenor.com/view/stare-angry-mad-black-snake-moan-samuel-l-jackson-gif-17424729

[outer edge]

idk man i got jiren vs goku vibs frm this

[pure raven]

Do u think someone can leave something in a fruit after its passed down?

[outer edge]

he died with an apple in his hand

[hushed harness]

Got a Tom vs Big Jerry fight IMO

[vestal adder]

This is a fallacy as the child who defeats the evil becomes the child that it was always intended as, as that is what happened. Because the one who trained his whole life to be "the one" might not be "the one" if he doesn't actually do the deed.

Though I don't mean to argue on this, Luffy is luffy and not joyboy because he was chosen to be joyboy, he just happened to be the right fit and his luck of the fruit being eaten and his perseverance has gained him the ability to awaken it. Because he's luffy, not because he was destined to do that. So I get your argument there and agree

[brazen acorn]

I think the point is that DFs might have some sort of will of their own

[carmine anvil]

Honestly, I do believe so
Their soul, or at least just their will, remains
When Sabo acquired the mira-mira fruit, it felt like he was feeling Ace at that time

[outer edge]

yes he passed down that very apple for 800 years with his soul possessing it

[pure raven]

Hmm makes sense but still we dk how df are made so

[carmine anvil]

[outer edge]

i just said the apple with a soul

[carmine anvil]

Which may be the wills of previous owners

[brazen acorn]

What if the Inherited Will actually passes down through devil fruits? ;P

[eager frost]

luffy will barely win after loosing 3 times. i don't get why ppl think luffy winning this one makes kaido look weak. even elders don't wont that kaido smoke unless there is no other choice left

[frank sleet]

It is said by the gorosei that the zoan mythological fruits have some kind of "will".. I don't know if this can be extended to every DF.. But it seems that they are more than fruits with powers

[vestal adder]

It'll be really cool if the Adam tree is just a poneglyph-like machine that churns out random fruits and teleports them somewhere in the world

[carmine anvil]

Yeah, we are in agreement

[desert notch]

but sanji's mom might be a lunarian. maybe the other siblings lunarian genes were alterred and cancelled out when judge did his thing

[hushed harness]

I am all in in the Eevee tree hosting the souls/wills of old warriors/pp with strong wills and manifesting its powers/wills in DF form

[naive wolf]

but there are very weird fruits like there s no way having a will paramecia style, i think it fits better only zoan

[outer edge]

i see devil fruits but what about angel fruits'

[naive wolf]

will we see that on the cover story? :0

[brazen acorn]

it might have nothing to do with the type and only with what the fruit represents or who were the previous users

[pure raven]

Has anyone here read all 6 chapters of the return to the reverie? It has awsome predictions

[outer edge]

i just want to see what happened to warlords man

[brazen acorn]

OR WAIT

[pure raven]

Nothin much. Some defetead, some victorious prolly

[vestal adder]

I'm not sure how I feel about every main character being a hidden legendary "something" but that is also what has character progression and hidden lore quirks of partially why they're able to do the special things they do.

Sanji having a late-awakening of his implanted powers as well is a good example. But then we have more "normal" people like Nami and robin, who are just from certain parts of the world but are of sorts "normal people", part from robin having a fruit power

[hushed harness]

We just got a guy who could create lava dragons with no DF and possibly another guy with rubber powers.
I thing a mochi/noro noro/jacket guys could've be alive in the ancient past if those kind of deities existed

[outer edge]

[brazen acorn]

Devil Fruits can be used to inherit will of their previous owners but only people who have the D in their names can actually inherit that will. Hence the Will of the D o_o

[naive wolf]

but really, fruits like the guy who let wear by his brother, the tama's, the sugar's...

[brazen acorn]

that makes huge sense in my mind wtf

[vestal adder]

Would be interesting if those who have the will of D are the ones who have the potential to awaken certain powers

[outer edge]

so tra-guy mugiwara-ya will always live on in fruits

[carmine sable]

Oda is literally a genius

[pure raven]

When are 1045 spoilers released?

[brazen acorn]

or they have the power to pass down their will

[outer edge]

imagine luffy was having this carefree and childish attitude just after getting his fruit and it is actually the effect of his fruit coz he used to cry alot before

[hushed harness]

If Tora guy dies making his eternal life surgery... who will inherit his powers?

[outer edge]

so mixed personality coz of fruit

[hushed harness]

Dont know why, but immediately thought about chimney with Laws quirks and smirked

[outer edge]

imagine tra fruit never comes back after that surgery

[terse tangle]

Do we know when Kaido started the SMILE project in the story? Like when it was first hinted? Since people have been saying the Zoan reveal was out of nowhere.. I believe getting a timeline of the SMILES will make it clearer especially given how Kaido is obsessed with Zoan fruits

[frank sleet]

Yepp Oda waited for the moment when he could pay homage to this kind of animation for a long time

[vestal adder]

Just check any "spoiler" channel on youtube lmao

[pure raven]

Most of them are just making 10 mins videos just to day the date

[naive wolf]

since chap 1 prolly 🤣

[vestal adder]

I just hope they don't start with flashbacks of the original fruit-users or gods making the fruits or talking together as the gods

[pure raven]

Say*

[frank sleet]

Do you think 1045 will have some kind of first page in colors or just like the usual cover?

[outer edge]

maybe theory of za origin anytime soon plz

[hushed harness]

Probably Vegapunk or Gorosei could have this kind of conversation with Robin... I guess?

[outer edge]

now they gonna shift story

[pure raven]

I think most of the people who read 1044 changed their minds abt the pirate Shanks wanted to talk about to the Gorousei

[outer edge]

how many wanna bet that they gonna shift the scenes and stretch the last fight

[pure raven]

🤚they are gonna make a 10 week flashback of kaido

[frank sleet]

Please after the kaido one 😫 😫 I'm waiting for that since the start of wano

[brazen acorn]

I don't see why? What would Shanks gain from talking to the Elders about Luffy? Unless he went there to declare that Luffy will win no matter what they do lel

[pure raven]

Abt the fruit luffy has*

[desert notch]

so i scrolled up a little and y'all have been saying that kizaru is vegapunk? can someone fill me in with a summary? what's the logic behind that?

[outer edge]

luffy g5 times out and then gg well played kaido runs again ?

[eager frost]

any flashback now would be a significant one i bet

[desert spindle]

Also if luffy and BB are oposite then BB is a man (personality) with 3 fruits luffy is 3men (3 personality) with 1 fruit the normal funny luffy and the serious joyboy???? The third power of fruit and third personality is still yet to be revealed

[naive wolf]

i heard bec he can think at light speed and was presented with the vegapunk's guard who call them uncle

[brazen acorn]

hm yea let's not forget that Luffy has been damaged A LOT. And I doubt G5 takes away his pain like Nikyu Nikyu DF did in Thriller Bark

[outer edge]

or he is the reason cp0 was sent and that they literally gave up that guy by enraging kaido to prevent the awakening but failed

[vestal adder]

It'll be a while until we get more poneglyph info and lore drops I think

[pure raven]

The thing is Oda declared that 80 precent of the story is done while a lot of BIG misterys are yet to be uncovered + small ones

[desert notch]

oooh

[carmine anvil]

Or maybe only the people of D can leave their will behind in their devil fruits?
Sabo was able inherit Ace's will, but he isn't a D, so...

[outer edge]

coz maybe they knew the trigger that could be based on will just like doffy had a will to win and awakened but the plan backfired

[brazen acorn]

Didn't the cp0 guy try to make sure Luffy died?

[desert spindle]

Also if luffy and BB are oposite then BB is a man (personality) with 3 fruits luffy is 3men (3 personality) with 1 fruit the normal funny luffy and the serious joyboy???? The third power of fruit and third personality is still yet to be revealed

[brazen acorn]

he was able to inherit aces will?

[outer edge]

they though he would awaken if he was still awake and kept pushing like doffy but they were wrong+they could be sent to retrieve luffy fruit if he fell

[floral elm]

Is katakuri gonna die or no?

[carmine anvil]

I actually had no idea at all who it could be before, but now I believe it was Luffy
All a theory tho, so, I'm fine with finding out I am wrong in the future (if I actually was)

[outer edge]

and not let it get away another 800 years in a row

[kind moth]

@floral elm I don't think so cause katakuri will be the captain after big mom

[brazen acorn]

ok maybe they have the way to retrieve a df when someone is dying that could make sense, big maybe(?)

[outer edge]

wtf where did katakuri join in

[vestal adder]

This is what I feel is so cool about how one piece has developed. They've saved so much for the last 20%

[outer edge]

like bb did

[carmine anvil]

But we know awakened zoan users have very very high tenacity, so, he may be able to fight for much longer now

[desert spindle]

Last 20% is reveal of mysteries and secrets

[floral elm]

I think black beard will either goto wano or whole cake island to steal devil fruits, because there is no op character in whole cake island rn

[outer edge]

but basically they got that guy killed by kaido for some reason now

[naive wolf]

yaa but also why WG trigger at luffy very suddenly when they stated on wano like a month, they even say the top priority was Robin before go all in for luffy's head

[outer edge]

maybe to revolutionary base

[vestal adder]

It'll be very cathartic for every reader and fan to have repeated lore drops and secret reveals. I'm sure they'll be ambiguous about a bunch to leave fans wondering but I hope they plop down some hard facts of the true story of the world

[brazen acorn]

I don't think it's going to take away his pain still though. After G5 is over I bet he will collapse.

[floral elm]

They will not benefit much tho

[outer edge]

better not pull goku bs of having stamina

[carmine anvil]

That's what it seemed like to me
He was able to "inherit" his moves first try basically and on multiple occasions talked in weird ways, like when he kicked Burgess's ass, he said "ace wouldn't have wanted to let you go" or something

[outer edge]

they will now after sabo news

[desert notch]

imo kizaru wanted to help luffy and the crew. When luffy beat the shit out of a celestial dragon,which admiral came there? Kizaru. He asked to be there. Because he knew that if Akainu came,he would've definetly killed Luffy. If kuzan came there,it would be debatable if he let them live. So kizaru went there,so none of the admirals actually killed anyone. You know when rayleigh defected his attack? He could have killed zoro easily. But he just stood there. Charging the attack. Because he was waiting for someone to stop it. So rayleigh eventually came,and kizaru missed. But why would a guy with literaly lightspeed have to charge an attack for so long? Because he wanted to spare the strawhats

[regal raptor]

🤔 So, vegapunk trying to imitate the nika nika fruit after all. With the SMILE. 🤔 they want to create joyboy.

[carmine anvil]

No doubt yeah

[dire harbor]

Idk he seems to be rejuvenated for now

[vestal adder]

Perhaps this is the power of his imagination ..stuff?

[regal raptor]

It make sense about smile fruit, that can't stop laughing. 😱 They trying to make nika nika fruit.

[errant walrus]

Zorro is Mia. is he actually dead?

Robin is also MIA. has she been kidnapped. will this prompt another rescue art from the Straw Hat crew

[outer edge]

tbh this is sooo high on the probability list

[dire harbor]

But I CALLED that the Nika fruit wouldn’t have limits beyond the users imagination, too bad the spoiler chats closed bc I thought it would be bs but nahhhhh

[pure raven]

Yes it is nice, cause he will throw one thing after another, but what scares me is that he will speed things up and not make them logical. I don t think that s the case, it is Oda after all