manga-theories

[hot heart]

you can work for an organisation like the navy believing you work for the common people, not for the people in charge. another group can prioratise those in charge. that's a common conflict in regards to the justice system.

cp0 is clearly a case of the latter, and would kill commoners for the celestial dragons any day

[amber oar]

but they aren't, all we have seen is them passing intel to each other. And then that intel ends with Sakazuki.

[abstract pond]

You can't claim they aren't doing that yet because we don't know anything about what their objective is.

[amber oar]

well, you can't claim they are

[limpid frigate]

Luffy is finally doflamingo level

[foggy gulch]

Yeah I agree drake might just be enacting his own personal Vendetta/justice so it doesn't mean he got orders from higher up sword members to stop cp0

[abstract pond]

I didn't

[sterile granite]

This kid in the movie said that he believed he could he a hero as a pirate and a marine.

Essentially what sword is people who are both pirates and marines and carrying out justice.

He is holding a gladius. Akainu has a gladius tattoo. He might have been brought up in sword

[pure raven]

I wouldn't give any value to movie stuff

But Akainu's tattoo CAN have that meaning. And SWORD CAN have that meaning of "pirates who are now carrying out justice with the marines" - meaning Akainu COULD have been a pirate.

This would give him a bunch of character tbh. I enjoy it

[toxic tundra]

but then why would he HATE pirates with so much passion and his absolute justice? its possible a pirate killed someone he loved dearly and he became a marine to take out all the other pirates

[sterile granite]

Personally i believe the movie is foreshadowing to the real story.

The concept of a marine admiral gone rogue was an amazing story line. And lowkey aokiji leaving is nowhere near the same level of writing compared to zephyr

[amber oar]

but Sakazuki hates pirates, even at a more visceral level than most marines.

I don't see him being part of SWORD, they just answer to him as the Fleet Admiral

[pure raven]

that can be explored in his history

Drake also hates piracy, and he was a pirate with his father as a kid

[sterile granite]

Listen akainu didn't come into the navy as Fleet admiral. These dudes started out as carp and became dragons later.

He may have been groomed in sword while young and then after left after becoming an admiral.

The real special ops unit teaches psychological warfare.Which akainu applied with squardo

[amber oar]

maybe he was forced like Drake and Koby, that would make more sense

[pure raven]

there's a whole range of possibilities

[amber oar]

what was the meaning of the kanji in his hat?

[sterile granite]

Akainu was definitely in sword when he was young. But now unlikely given he leads the navy

[pure raven]

justice 正義

[sterile granite]

Yo what do you guys believe about the possibility of rocks being a former admiral in the navy

[pure raven]

can you elaborate?

[toxic tundra]

sounds too much like that movie character - Z or whatever his name was?

[hot elbow]

SWORD is top secret but that does't mean the marines dont' know they exist. the US military for instance has "top secret" arms that conduct top escret operations but the military obviously sanctions this. i think what's unclear is whether SWORD operates independant of the WG/navy or as a 2nd arm.

[sterile granite]

• I just thought there was a possibility rocks was in the navy before he created the rocks pirates.

But after becoming an admiral he saw the system was flawed and dipped.

His logo also strongly resembles the punisher logo. And the punisher is a former marine who took justice into his own hands

[toxic tundra]

i was under the impression that SWORD was formed AFTER marineford. so my theory is that it was led by Garp secretly after losing his grandson (Ace, even if he wasnt blood related - still his grandson).

[foggy gulch]

I think sword is really new and sengoku is the one who formed it with garp and akainu and it's sole purpose is to take down black beard

[amber oar]

Doubt, because Drake was in his "mission" even before Marineford

[sterile granite]

And I believe that rocks might have made his crewmates where these jackets.

And the jacket kat wears is the one big mom used to wear when she was young

[toxic tundra]

or... to add to your statement, it was created to take down yonkos. if drake was with kaido, its possible other members are with other yonkos and spying on them as drake was doing.

[sterile granite]

I believe we will get a flashback where big mom is wearing the same jacket as kat with Charlotte on the back.

And she gave it to katakuri. They have the same body types. Young big mom and kat

[foggy gulch]

To add more on that sword's whole purpose is to get to one piece before anyone else they are looking for the red poniglyphs

[sterile granite]

I think sword has been around way longer than that. I believe he wanted luffy and ace to join sword from a long time ago.

[foggy gulch]

That's why they act very sneaky unlike cp0 they literally booked a room in onigashima

[sterile granite]

The rocky port incident with law and koby

I'm starting to think garp put law in sword

[foggy gulch]

Why did law came to the war again??

[sterile granite]

To get luffy out of there

Likely because he possessed the will of D and saw him hurt the celestial.

He knew he would need luffys help

[foggy gulch]

Did Rayleigh tell him??

[sterile granite]

I mean maybe who knows lmao

[toxic tundra]

that could very well be the case! its really weird that after all this time... while roger found it, why wasnt the WG spying on him at that time. unless imu/gorosei already know what one piece is and they are the ones who are hiding it? 🤔

that time when Whitebeard was dying, he revealed that one piece was real and sengoku's reaction kind of implied that they knew what one piece was and they are hiding it from the world.

[pure raven]

imho; it was because of strategy reasons.

Luffy's a D member clan and he saw that at some point he'd be able to use Luffy to meet his own personal ends and someone whose crazy enough to attack a celestial dragon was likely worth the risk to attempt to save.

Cause Oda establishes later on that a lot of the super nova went on to form alliances to do their own thing and Law saw the only other D and was like "He'll do."

[foggy gulch]

Thank you!🤔

[toxic tundra]

we still dont know, right? isnt it possible that law tagged along with shanks somehow - when they "time travelled" after fighting kaido and appeared at marineford.

[pure raven]

I still don't buy that but also because Law's established to be smart and strategic as hell.

He doesn't need/doesn't have any notable connection to Shanks to be told what to do and he's sure as well smart enough to see allies or pawns he can use for his own game. He didn't expect to actually like the Strawhats as much as he does but Luffy has that affect on people

[toxic tundra]

yeah, but it still doesnt explain how he suddenly shows up in the middle of the biggest fight in the world at the time. he could have waited until after the war. his sudden appearance is the puzzling part. all other parts of his wish/plan could still have been done after the war.

[foggy gulch]

One thing just came to mind: Roger tells garp to save his kid right. what if garp goes beyond that and pull a "Schindler's List" and save most of the kids that was "killed" in the time that ace was supposed to be born forming sword!

[pure raven]

Sudden? Law could have been there a long while; he's the only person with a submarine for a ship and could have been there for god knows how long.

Best case for him is he assists in saving Luffy and maybe Ace and win the white beard pirates on his side to take down Doflamingo.
Worst case he'd risk a lot to get Luffy out of there and he has an ally super nova.

The real worst case is die saving Luffy but given the situation and the risk; it seems to be one he considered worth having since the positive potential payout is massive. Whether or not he "Suddenly" appeared seems nebulous when the ship is underwater and could have been there at any point in time and not a sudden spur of the moment thing.

[toxic tundra]

yeah. by sudden i dont mean he appeared out of nowhere ... he could have been there a while. but just the fact that he decided to show up in that war is puzzling. i get that he has a plan in his mind, but success was not guaranteed.

but as you said, maybe his plan at the time could have been to save Ace and help the whitebeard pirates. then use them to go after doflamingo/kaido to get his revenge.

[pure raven]

Success is never guaranteed I find but given his specific goal of tearing down Doflamingo and the reputation of the WB pirates, and Adding on the D-clan stuff.

The most realistic course of events from the POV of law is "Assist in saving Ace" be surprised that Luffy came out of nowhere. And biding his time for when he'd need to act because the risk is the entire marine force so Law's playing it super safe by appearing in the end.

And he saved Luffy because he heard the announcement that they were brothers meaning there was still stakes/reward for saving Luffy's life.

Law's strong but not 3 admiral strongs especially pre-time skip

[untold charm]

Resin theorist = still wrong in my books i stand by my theory pinned on this channel.

[foggy gulch]

Is there any theories about the gum gum fruit being artificial ?

[modest skiff]

Someone posted a theory here recently that the gomu was a vegapunk experiment they thought didn't work, similar to Momo

[trail fossil]

Why would they guard it in a warship then?

[autumn mulch]

i really dont think so

[toxic tundra]

i believe vegapunk was used by the WG to change the name/properties of the fruit to hide its true power, which can only be revealed by awakening. the WG was guarding it while moving it from one secret location to another secret location. 🤔

[pure raven]

Genuine Question, are shitpost theories allowed in this channel?

[terse moon]

Kizaru

[urban tapir]

I'm convinced anyone could just eat 2 devil fruits and not blow up, but it's such a dangerous thing to try that no one dares to

[pure raven]

The notion that you could permanently deactivate a devil fruit by screwing with its lineage factor is interesting

[pure raven]

I keep asking about this theory and Wapol but nobody listens

[modest skiff]

No sir. Please get the spoiler role in #old-role-info for special spoiler channels

[pure raven]

okie doke. so keep shitposts to spoilers then?

[terse moon]

I think kaido and big mom would atleast know since they have a lot of fruits

[urban tapir]

You'd think Kaidou would have tried to kill himself eating two devil fruits by now

[modest skiff]

Yes sir

[pure raven]

kk

[terse moon]

Kaido wouldn’t kill himself like that he wants a powerful death like whitebeard

[pure raven]

I can imagine he probably had an inkling of an idea that maybe it wouldnt kill him, only making him stronger, hence why he probably stayed away from it since he doesnt need to get any stronger and only wants to die

[silver sphinx]

i think kaido wants to go out in a flashy way. i don't think eating another df and blowing up is very cool and awesome and shocking, especially when people have said for a long time that that would happen

[toxic tundra]

what do you mean? it was whoswho who was transporting the fruit

[toxic tundra]

what was the theory about that and wapol?

[junior cape]

Kaido has explicitly stated that Roger and Newgate "Did it right." Going out with a bang is his goal.

[pure raven]

my theory about 2 dfs and wapol, is that with his ability, the power to take on the qualities of what he eats, is that with awakening, he could either turn into a fake sentient devil fruit or temporarily absorb its powers

[toxic tundra]

thats interesting... but didnt wapol's fruit only work with metals/weapons? its been too long since i read those chapters. but if he can eat other fruits by using his fruit, that would be a pretty powerful ability.

[lime cape]

Luffy is going to copy katakuri, use his rubber-resin fruit as a logia

[toxic tundra]

did we ever find out who was helping the scabbards in that basement after they got injured? was it confirmed if it was hyori... or could it have been toki?

[lime cape]

100% sure is going to be kaido flashback

[pure raven]

Some people think that Luffy is also sun wukong

[sterile granite]

Yeah likley rocks died in a way kaidou didn't like and then he was forgotten

[toxic tundra]

even with the resin fruit, he could (most likely) be connected to sun wukong

[sterile granite]

Tf

Yeah it's a special paramecia. Oda didn't create the class just to have one fruit be from it lmao

What does that response have to with anything

[pure raven]

I believe that he is sun god nika but not sun wukong

[sterile granite]

Your response is hard to understand. What does the start of the story have to do with anything I said

There are several ancient zoans. There are several mythic zoans.

There is only 1 special paramecia. Why tf would oda create this class of df just to have one in the whole story

[pure raven]

I think there's also an explanation to why he can create fire with resin

[sterile granite]

Resin has similar properties to oil right

[pure raven]

so with the fruit awakened there's probably so much more he can do

[pure raven]

Maybe

[lime cape]

He will mimic katakuri style

[pure raven]

Maybe but I think he will have a similar ability to kaneki from tokyo ghoul

I don't mean that he will be a ghoul but that he can use the awakened ability to give himself extra arms

I wonder if the fruit that he has can create living things because it is the tree sap from some mythical tree or something

Because we saw that when vegapunk mixed the gomu gomu no mi and a rocket it turned into a gorilla rocket

[toxic tundra]

oh, i thought both were the same 😓 what is the difference between them?

[pure raven]

sun god nika is basically a nod to sun wukong so Oda took inspiration from the story

[toxic tundra]

oda can create one of something if he wishes. he doesnt have to have multiple of everything. for example, there is a lot of different types of treasure, but there is only one that is the one piece. 😂

also with special paramecia, the reason it was changed to a special paramecia (from logia) was because it could poke hole in the idea of the 3 types of devil fruits. someone mentioned that logias generally tend to be natural elements (light, ice, fire, magma, darkness, etc). there could be other reasons as well.

[toxic tundra]

where was that? 🤔 it is quite possible that luffy's fruit was the first devil fruit ever created.

[shut ledge]

ayo i just thought of something that could quite possibly just me being retarded but hear me out:
so we've all seen the theory about luffy's 'jushi jushi no mi' and how that's his actual devil fruit
u know how a lot of devil fruit users' laughs are based on their devil fruit name? (e.g. whitebeard, gura gura no mi, gurararara)
luffy's characteristic laugh is 'shishishi', which would now make sense considering his 'jushi jushi no mi'
does this basically confirm all of it?

[toxic tundra]

very nice connection!

[shut ledge]

aye thanks lol if i'm being honest i just randomly thought of this while i was texting someone

[mild ravine]

I think Rocks could've had the gomu gomu no mi (this could be a stretch)

[pure raven]

maybe

[pure raven]

Why Rocks?

[mild ravine]

IDK lol

im just thinking what's something both world government and roger would team up for

[pure raven]

[sterile granite]

Yeah and what he has shown is he doesn't create types of dfs just to leave 1 in that damn type

[toxic tundra]

i thought about it before 1043, but now i dont think it will line up. zunesha's connection to joyboy and luffy changing forms lines up. rocks probably would have awoken his fruit since he was so strong - especially to be captain of 3 of this era's yonkos. so most likely, the WG would have had control of the fruit for a long time... much longer than the last 40yrs. and even if rocks had it, zunesha should have heard of it / joyboy with him.

[sterile granite]

Rocks didn't have the gomu gomu no mi lmao

[pure raven]

He probably had the fruit Blackbeard currently has

[toxic tundra]

yes, completely agree. BB is likely a descendent of rocks and knew what type of fruit to look for.

[cyan pewter]

Shanks comes and is the joyboy not Luffy (heard somewhere )

[sterile granite]

Theory: Rocks has the star star fruit.

Bb is the embodiment of a black hole. Black hoke dies from the death of a star aka a supernova. Rocks died and bb formed.

A star died and a black hole formed.
Hoshi - star
Hoshi - I want
A star is also a reference to dreams and making dreams come true.
There is a real life star fruit carambola that is regularly consumed in South American countries including Brazil. Roche the Brazilian
Could explain the blackbeard speech in logue Town.

[pure raven]

I think that it lines up more for Dragon to be a descendant of Rocks but I do believe that Blackbeard has inherited his will from the df

[pure raven]

Interesting theory

[sterile granite]

Hoshi hoshi no mi. A logia. Star human

[pure raven]

but it just doesn't fit Xebec in my opinion

[sterile granite]

Why would it not fit him

[toxic tundra]

dont think thats possible. assuming garp, dragon, and luffy are indeed blood related. dragon being a descendent of rocks means garp would be related to rocks... and i dont think garp would have the determination to beat/kill his own family. unless rocks was up to something super evil.

[sterile granite]

Rocks was erased just like joyboy and co.

They treat him like the ultimate villain. But they do the same with luffy.

From a naval perspective of luffys feats his a monster.

And do you think xebec was just born evil. It makes perfect sense that someone who was brightest light became darkness

[toxic tundra]

when you say BB formed... you mean born as a child of his? or something else?

[pure raven]

here's a theory... Dragon is Luffy's father yes, but not son of Garp. 1st point - Dragon bears striking resemblance to Rocks. Garp refers to Luffy as "my kid's kid" which heavily implies that he is talking about his daughter (Luffy's mother). If Dragon is indeed the son of Rocks, it makes sense that he is hiding from the world government by taking the Monkey last name from marriage.

[mint prairie]

@sterile granite No other series talk outside of the respective channels.

[sterile granite]

No lmao. It's a metaphor lmao.
Rocks died and his will emerged as blackbeard.
A star died and that will became one of a black hole.

[sterile granite]

What I'm using an analogy to make a concept easier to understand in one piece

[little saffron]

whats between nika and luffy?

[sterile granite]

And it wasn't even like I was wrote a paragraph it was a short sentence

[mint prairie]

Yes, and you can talk about the hero to villain trope without talking about other series and, most importantly, spoilers.

[toxic tundra]

ive heard dragon not being garp's son before. that garp is luffy's maternal grandfather, which would be cool! but wasnt dragon part of the marines before he became a revolutionary? i think the WG would have known if rocks had a son like dragon, just like they searched and eventually found Ace (Roger's son).

my fav dragon theory is that he turned against the celestial dragons after realizing some truth and lost someone he loved (most likely his wife / luffy's mother) and he is now devoted to bring down the CDs.

[sterile granite]

That's not spoilers. Everyone knows

Dragon inherited the powers of roger at logue Town.

[toxic tundra]

ah, yes i would agree with this.

[sterile granite]

Thats what symbolically it makes sense that rocks had the star star fruit.

A star fruit to a darkness fruit.

[little saffron]

idk if its true but

5 6
go mu

turn the numbers:

2 9
ni ka

works better with handwritting

[sterile granite]

And pica could be a hint to rocks aswell. Pica name is the name of kizarus fruit.

Pica - sound of glittering aka light and stars.

But he has a rock/stone fruit.
Flip that on its head the dude that has the name rocks would have a fruit akin to light or stars

[toxic tundra]

you know whats funny though. the WG calls people evil. they called rocks evil. they called roger evil. they called ace evil. its in their point of view, those guys are evil. like doflamingo says, the winner decides the history (or something along those lines). is it possible that rocks wasnt actually evil?

sure there are pirates who do bad/evil things - like BB killing pirates/people. or kidd being a savage to innocent people. but we have seen "evil" people on both sides (pirates and WG).

[visual merlin]

what

[sterile granite]

Rocks definitely was like luffy and became evil because of what the wg did to him

[visual merlin]

I think that part is a bit of a stretch

[sterile granite]

No it's not lmao. Oda is always doing 2 sides to the same coin lmao

[pure raven]

Dragon is the most wanted person for a reason

[sterile granite]

Only casual fans are unaware of the themes in one piece

[visual merlin]

Yea.... it definitely is. That's very arbitrary

[sterile granite]

It's really not. But cool whatever you say bro

[visual merlin]

There's also no real connection between pica and either kizaru or rocks

[pure raven]

Exactly. Garp and Rocks being Luffys grandfathers is two sides of the same coin

[velvet edge]

Pica is spade in Spanish. Not related to Pika which is light in Japanese

[visual merlin]

^ well that makes it even worse

[toxic tundra]

yeah. he probably has a bounty higher than kaido, right? but ive always that the reason dragon is the most wanted person was because either he killed someone important or stole something important from the WG and has repeatedly made threats against the CDs.

[visual merlin]

as for this, is there anything behind this besides that it'd be a cool "two sides of the same coin" thing

[velvet edge]

The doflamingo executives are named after suits of cards in Spanish

-Pica -> spade
-Diamanté -> Diamond
-Trébol -> clover
-Corazon -> hearts

[sterile granite]

Of course it's 2 sides to the same coin.
The hero of the marines and the most evil pirate coming together

Luffy and bb are literally two sides of the same coin.

[toxic tundra]

im sure someone can make the connections from rocks to dragon to luffy. i wouldnt be against rocks being related to luffy.

my only issue would be that luffy would have been as big of a target at marineford as ace was if the WG knew rocks was related to dragon/luffy.

they only cared about luffy after he released his conquerors haki.

[pure raven]

Remember why roger and garp were fighting the Rocks on god valley? Because they were protecting the CDs. Dragon being Rock’s son makes him a wanted criminal like Ace.

[sterile granite]

There are so many paralleled characters in one piece. Sanji and luffy.

Luffy has non biological brothers who have an even deeper bond than any bio brothers.

Sanji has biological brothers who have a terrible relationship with one another

There father's are paralleled aswell

[visual merlin]

These all feel arbitrary, you could say this sort of thing for literally anything, plus Rob did just basically entirely disprove the pica idea

[sterile granite]

No they aren't bro I completely disagree with you

[visual merlin]

Maybe this wouldn't be the worst thing ever, but I don't see anything making it likely

[velvet edge]

Dragon cannot be rocks child because look how much Garp looks like luffy

[agile tangle]

Garp doesn't have conquerors haki because of this panel right?

[visual merlin]

Okay...well do you agree that the Pica idea doesn't work given he's named after Spade and not Pika like kizaru's fruit?

[pure raven]

You can have two grandfathers

[sterile granite]

Garp definitely has conquerors

[agile tangle]

Because when two conqueror haki users clash there's black lightning but when he clashed against chinjao there wasn't black lightning

[toxic tundra]

all theories are arbitrary until proven right or wrong. no matter how much it makes sense or doesnt make sense, oda can always spin it into a way that anything is possible. 😂

[sterile granite]

Conquerors is the ability to Stand above others. And strength is a means to do that

[agile tangle]

Sure but as I said here there wasn't black lightning

[sterile granite]

You don't need to lead a crew to have conquerors

[pure raven]

Garp is Luffys grandfather but I’m saying that Dragon is NOT his son

[agile tangle]

?

[sterile granite]

You heard me bro. Yamato

[agile tangle]

You're not even answering my

[visual merlin]

Not all theories are arbitrary. The problem with these are there's no real system behind deciding what is 2 sides of the same coin, you could pick any random thing and argue it must be 2 sides of the same coin because you say so

[sterile granite]

You didn't ask anything tf

[velvet edge]

Is there anything to back This up up with? This is a pretty bold claim to make

[toxic tundra]

yes. thats what it turns out to be a lot of times. ive seen some of ohara's videos on that and he brought up the two sides of the same coin - some things i didnt think about, but it made sense.

[sterile granite]

No lmao. It's simple and very obvious plays on 2 sides of the same coin.

[pure raven]

Scroll up

[sterile granite]

Bro let's just agree to disagree this is going nowhere man

[visual merlin]

Did you see that Pica's name is based on the word spade, and not pika which is kizaru's fruit?

because that sort of disproves the "simple and very obvious" 2 sides of the same coin thing

[toxic tundra]

it has been theorized before. i actually like this theory, if everything works out. not about rocks being related to luffy specifically (which i will admit is still possible), but that garp is luffy's grandfather from the mother's side. and dragon is actually from another family line but took the monkey name after his wife died.

[agile tangle]

Yea mb but what about garp not having black lightning

[toxic tundra]

we havent really seen garp fight. he most likely has/had advanced conqueror's haki to take out all those big bosses.

[toxic tundra]

i think by pica, he meant pika (kizaru's fruit).

[visual merlin]

he was trying to connect that to the character pica

[sterile granite]

Oh my

A word can have multiple meanings

[visual merlin]

?

Pica and Pika are different things

[sterile granite]

The pronunciation of the word pica and pika is the same. I'm fully aware it means spade

[visual merlin]

Pica is spanish for spade

[visual merlin]

yes...but they are different words

like how bear and bare are not the same thing

it doesn't matter if they sound the same

[sterile granite]

Those aren't the same lmao

[visual merlin]

?

[sterile granite]

If you want a real example.
Hoshi means star.
Hoshi also means I want

[visual merlin]

Dude, they have different spellings

its not just the different meaning

it would also be like knight and night

[sterile granite]

Yo I don't really wanna get hung up on this

[visual merlin]

sounding the same does not make them the same

[visual merlin]

You shouldn't, sounding the same doesn't make them the same

[sterile granite]

Yo can someone change the topic lmao

[mint prairie]

@twin plover Not the place to stir things up.

[velvet edge]

You know thinking on it- yea this could actually be the case

Since he’d still be garps “son” but “son in law” rather than biological son. And would explain why he doesn’t look like Garp at all but luffy does look like Garp

[twin plover]

anyway hiruluk explained how joyboy works hundreds of chapters ago

[velvet edge]

Aloha you’re making a mountain out of a molehill. Pica is literally just spade in Spanish since it fits the theme of deck of cards that makes up doflamingos executives (and by extension people associated with Kaido)

[amber oar]

yeah but the vivre card says Dragon was born as Garp's son

[velvet edge]

All of the executives have have Spanish card suits

[twin plover]

wait... hiruluk was temporarily joy boy. calling it now

[amber oar]

it's the French deck actually, the Spanish deck is like this

[toxic tundra]

whats funny is that we didnt know about joyboy until fishman island lol. 😂 so as readers, we didnt even remember (or even know of) him at that time. but for a dream to carry on... does someone just have to engrave their name/life's story on poneglyphs? lol

between 800yrs ago and now... who/what else carried joyboy's name?

[velvet edge]

Spanish names not from the spain deck!

[sterile granite]

-Dragon isn't garps son he is the son of rocks.

• luffys mother is garps daughter.
• garps other child is belo Betty.
• belo is a male name which means bravery or guts or character in slavic. Makes sense garp who embodies these things more than most characters in one piece if not the most would name his son this.
• she is in the revs and close to ivankov
• she wears an fully open shirt despite being a woman, this is considered socially unacceptable for woman yet seems habitual for her meaning she is used to doing it. Smoker also did this in tahsigis body
• belo betty is the commander of the east blue and east blue holds deep significance to dragon and garp.
• belo also is masculine form of beautiful in Portuguese and goa is based on brazil.
• her mannerisms are very similar to garp and luffy and she wears her heart on her sleeve as they do.

[amber oar]

Exactly!

[toxic tundra]

are vivre cards and databooks the same thing? if it was already stated dragon was indeed garps son, then that whole theory is out lol.

[green quartz]

they have the same eyes tho

and we havent seen an appearance of garps wife so dragon might take after her

[sterile granite]

Huh

[green quartz]

dragon is garps son bruh

[sterile granite]

Basically all woman in one piece are nami clones. What about dragon is nami clone like

[amber oar]

-Dragon isn't garps son he is the son of rocks.

bad start - ガープの息子として誕生 = Born as Garp's son https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/477571830941614080/905976207294730300/unknown.png

[green quartz]

big mom bruh

[sterile granite]

She used to be a nami clone tf

[velvet edge]

Is that from one of the new vivre cards?

[amber oar]

vivre cards are basically an ever growing databook - instead of releasing a whole book every time, they just add files

[green quartz]

fuck

[amber oar]

no, this one is pretty old IIRC

[green quartz]

please prove to me how dragon is not garps son

[sterile granite]

Oh my

[toxic tundra]

if so, then yeah dragon is garp's son. then luffy and garp are connected through dragon, as we all assumed from the beginning of the story.

[sterile granite]

In my headcanon this will all be comfirmed in 1049

[green quartz]

exactly!!

[sterile granite]

Sometimes readers act very ignorant.
Oda has already established through ace that character relations cannot be assumed based on vague info

[green quartz]

it gives more confirmation tho were is ur proof to back up that dragon is not garps son?

[amber oar]

nov 2018, the set "Arlong Pirates and People of Cocoyasi Village!"

[toxic tundra]

but the vivre cards/databook info is released and gives extra info that oda couldnt put in the story. ofc he can always change it, but essentially info from the databooks is canon to the story.

[sterile granite]

This is a clear example of that

Luffy says ace is his brother. And you know dragon is his dad.

Ivankov puts 2 and 2 together and says ace is the son of dragon

[amber oar]

"Born as Garp's son" is like the farther from vague you can go

Specifies it's from birth, specifies Garp, and even specifies he was born male

[sterile granite]

1049 just wait

[visual merlin]

no

there's no vague info lol

[sterile granite]

Huh

[visual merlin]

we are told straight up he's garp's son, there's nothing to doubt

[green quartz]

exactly!

[sterile granite]

Aight you right I concede

[amber oar]

Can I ping Aloha when 1049 releases?

[sterile granite]

Ping me when it comes out

[visual merlin]

@azure vortex Not the place for that

[amber oar]

the "he can change it" part is not really so much, as when something is open to doubt the vivre cards straight up omit them. For example Yamato's birthplace is set as "unknown"

When something is wrong a correction is issued within a couple of weeks (ex. Hitetsu's age). Dragon's card hs been out for 3 years and half, so it's pretty safe to say whatever it says is set in stone

[sterile granite]

Yeah completely agree

So let's wait for 1049

[pure raven]

finna see these guys post wano in elbaf

[lucid shale]

What are the possibilities that law removed Luffy heart when he was doing the surgery on him?

[muted ember]

Luffy chest is always exposed we would see it right?

[obtuse gazelle]

its because of the art style thats why every female in op looks like nami's sisters bruh 💀

[weak wadi]

So all of Wano Luffy's clothes have been very dark considering in colour panels they are red with yellow belt. Did anyone else notice this?

Also on final panel of 1043 we can see his clothes is a much lighter shade and it looks like his left shoulder is still partially black but is being burnt off.
https://preview.redd.it/2bg1mgiz4go81.png?width=727&format=png&auto=webp&s=ba9762938a0ca0fb444229267aca33fd4744a01c

There is also darkness around his neck which was not there during the previous panel.

One thing I can't explain is the wierd grey slime like drip in the top middle. Is that another part of his clothes/body?

Also darkness parts appear to be smoking. I know he often lets off smoke, but this seems to be very particular where it is coming from.

My guess is he is absorbing light to charge his tesla, but I might be wrong.

[vestal orbit]

He’s just smoking because his batteries are about to explode

[weak wadi]

Overcharging maybe? Hope he gets the defective batteries replaced.

[atomic scaffold]

I thought it might be his hat but then I realized I was getting that from a fan made pic of joyboy lol, in all honesty though I think its the resin resin fruit

It'd make the most sense

[weak wadi]

You can see his hat bottom left.

[atomic scaffold]

I cant tell where

[weak wadi]

I am of thr belief it is gomu gomu no mi. Model sunlight tree eve.

[atomic scaffold]

Only time will tell I suppose

id be kinda pissed of if it ended up being a zoan lmao

[weak wadi]

One interesting thing is that in romance drawn v1 shanks does say the fruit only blooms once every 50 years from a mystical tree (幻の木)

[atomic scaffold]

Specifically the gomu gomu no mi?

[weak wadi]

yeah.

[atomic scaffold]

Er must be a mis translation cuz thered be more people recognizing luffys abilitys

[weak wadi]

I translated it myself.

[atomic scaffold]

what translator did you use?

[vestal orbit]

Only in romance dawn v1 which is like the earliest beta

No need for people in the main verse to recognize it

[atomic scaffold]

ah ok

[weak wadi]

I think it is mistranslated in v1 too. At least the official one.

[atomic scaffold]

i dont think 50 years would make sense so thats most likely the case

unless everyone who eats it just dies really fast, plus they said they stole it from a marine ship

[atomic scaffold]

Shanks said that in one of the first manga panels is what i mean

[weak wadi]

yeah they did steal it, but it originally grows once every 50 years at the quickest. That sorta helps explain why it is so rare. The only tree it can grow on is very rare.

幻の木 was translated as illusion tree which is bad translation and just a stupid direct translation. I'd actually translate it to very rare tree because that is what it implies that you only ever see it very rarely.

[fathom rock]

Hi everyone
I wrote a theory a few days ago pertaining to the possibility that an Eclipse might take place soon.

Following this, I have posted a "part 2" and I'd like to discuss about it with you if you are interested. It's about the Celestial Dragon and The Eclipse

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/tjppz0/the_eclipse_theory_part_2_who_are_the_celestial/

[shell galleon]

smokerrrrrrr

[iron lion]

@fathom rock

Disagree with this part, otherwise, can't hate on conjecture

[vale current]

Extremely interesting eclipse theory. I didn't know the Sun eater Chinese dragon. But how come darkness is rising (eclipse) with all the Joy Boy/Luffy (Lucy = Light) going on?

Plus it's all kinda down to this one old legend that an old serpent/dragon seduces/lies to the world

[fathom rock]

Oh thanks for the feedback!
Could you tell me what they remind you of then?

With Belo Betty looking like Marianne, the RA toppling nations left and right.. It seems to me like the CD are a clear incarnation of the same nobles that the French eventually beheaded

[iron lion]

I think Celestial Dragons should just be considered as being terrible rulers without trying to grasp at a historical connection. Maybe the nobility at versailles given they live in a gilded cage.

[vale current]

I mean the OP world lies in darkness, the forever eclipse.

[fathom rock]

Oh that's what I meant.
Like from Louis XIV all the way to the French Revolution

But I get what you mean regarding the historical connections

[fathom rock]

Thanks!
Yeah I learned that a few days ago as well regarding the Chinese Dragon

When it comes to the event of the eclipse itself:
I think it acts like a Marker.
800 years, Joy Boy died and the WG officially was a thing.
This time, it will mark the "rebirth" of Joy Boy

[pure raven]

and the end of WG

[fathom rock]

Yep!

[glad raft]

I think Xebec had Luffy's fruit before

[autumn mulch]

i think he had BBs

and swallowed God Valley as a whole, also he let BB inherit his will

[vale current]

This now makes sense

[autumn mulch]

Xebec and BB seem to just cause chaos, and are constantly striving for power

Xebec also seemed to be hunting for powerful DFs with all the strong users in his crew

[eternal hedge]

who is bb

[autumn mulch]

Blackbeard

[eternal hedge]

ah right

[cedar venture]

Boyboy

[final viper]

What if sun god nika represents luffy zoro and sanji? Like sun god nika is carrying a sword and a spear: nika is luffy, zoro the sword and sanji the spear?

[hot heart]

bb = ViVi

[sterile granite]

I can't believe people think xebec is just some power rangerr villain lmao where they are evil just to push the narrative.

The ultimate light becoming the ultimate darkness is a common ass trope.

[slate willow]

i for some reason beleive that xebec is a good guy potrayed wrongly by snegoku as he is a part of the navy

[sterile granite]

Of course sengoku is portraying xebec in a bad light

Sengoku is a bad marine. Oda does not want us to like sengoku and wants us to know he is flawed

And part of the flaws in the marines like akainu

He pushed for ace to be killed despite knowing he was the grandson of garp.

[autumn mulch]

ionno man, even WB said he hated that crew

[slate willow]

? he wasnt a grandson of garp

[autumn mulch]

and BM called him an evil guy and told Kaido not to trust him, but that could be manipulation to gain Kaido's affection

[sterile granite]

He said all this bullshit about ace inspiring a new generation of pirates. But then luffy is doing the same shit. And the era he will create will not be pirates looking for blood.

But pirates going on adventures privateering and shit

[autumn mulch]

biological relations arent the only things that make people family my friend

[slate willow]

oh yeah true i fotgot

[vestal orbit]

Wouldn’t knowing to keep his job above his personal relationships be a good thing

[sterile granite]

Bro i don't mean by blood Einstein. And blood isn't the only determiner for family get that right lmao

[autumn mulch]

Ace was just as much Garps grandson as Luffy is

[slate willow]

yeah i undertsood mabad

[sterile granite]

Blood doesn't mean family g. Trust me not everyone's blood is FAMILY

[slate willow]

wait.. he told that?

[sterile granite]

Ace is just as much as garps grandson as luffy was.

Sengoku knew how much garp cared about ace yet still went through with it

[ashen valve]

How is sengoku flawed again?

[upper jasper]

So is Sabo ( not as much ig)

[sterile granite]

So do you think oda wants us to think akainu is in the right for killing ace

[vestal orbit]

He’s coolheaded and knows how to do his job

[sterile granite]

No lmao. Sabo isn't garps grandson tf are you reading lmao.

[upper jasper]

The brother of your grandson is basically your grandson

[sterile granite]

No bro he met garp one time

[upper jasper]

lol

[sterile granite]

The connection is nothing lmao. That's why when he found out the dude was dead he did not care

[vestal orbit]

Garp doesn’t strike me as the type to need to need to know someone for years to get close to them

[sterile granite]

That's part of the reason he was crying and shit.

He was literally holding ace as a baby

[upper jasper]

Does Garp's relationship with Luffy exactly seem healthy to you?

[vestal orbit]

Uhh not sure what you’re trying to say here

[slate willow]

obvio

[upper jasper]

Besides we don't know what happens off screen

[sterile granite]

I was being sarcastic. I was reinforcing that the fact he knew ace so long made the pain harder

Sabo isn't garps grandson I think that's kinds ridiculous to think that

[vestal orbit]

Everyone takes off their makeup and costumes to go home

[upper jasper]

lol

[sterile granite]

You can say sabo is the son of dragon

But to say his garps son is very laughable to me. Like they met one time

[upper jasper]

Idk exactly why I made that connection. It's been a while

[vestal orbit]

I mean yeah that’s undeniable but what does that have to do with his personality and how fast he gets attached to people

Don’t know for sure ofc but presumably similar to luffy who gets attached to people really quickly

[sterile granite]

Because just because garp likes alot of people doesn't mean he likes them as much as does others

[vestal orbit]

That doesn’t mean he wouldn’t consider sabo his grandson

[sterile granite]

Oda has done a bad job of expanding on aces opinion of garp and at least making it up to him

[sterile granite]

But he doesn't tf. How are you pushing this dumb agenda

There is nothing in the story to make us think he cares much about sabo

[upper jasper]

I was more looking at like a family tree thing than close connections

[sterile granite]

No it doesn't really work like that. So just because usopp has a close connection with kaya does that mean zoro does

[upper jasper]

Luffy=Garp's Grandson; Sabo=Luffy brother; therefore Sabo is indirectly Garp's grandson

[sterile granite]

No man

You can form brother bonds after your grandpa is dead.

Does that mean that dead grandpa has a new grandson now

[upper jasper]

If Kaya and Usopp were married and Usopp considered Zoro his brother than I would consider Zoro Kaya's brother in law

[sterile granite]

Now you coming up with hypotheticals

[cyan sand]

what the hell is going on in this chat 🤣

[upper jasper]

Idk

[vestal orbit]

Since his personality is nearly identical to luffy’s

Luffy gets attached to people really easily

Presumably Garp is the same

Garp spent just a few days a year with luffy and ace too, just a few really intense days, just like the single day he spent woth Sabo

Garp, as we saw from Ace and his heart-to-heart, cares deeply for his adoptive grandkids

A kid they consider to be family would be family in his eyes as well

[upper jasper]

I love how this has absolutely nothing to do with the latest chapter #manga-theories

Still a theory tho ig

[sand sail]

This channel isn't for theories about the latest chapter exclusively, it's about theories for the manga exclusively

[upper jasper]

Ah

[sand sail]

The chapter number is to let people know this is a spoiler free zone

AND THAT NO ONE SHOULD TALK ABOUT ANY CHAPTER SPOILERS IN THIS CHANNEL AT ALL

Just throwing that out there while I'm here

[upper jasper]

I see

[hot heart]

whitebeard profile pic and caps makes the comment look way more alpha

One Piece... Does Exist!!!

[rough violet]

Yes sabo is garp's grandson too just like ace

But garp did not raise him and he died early (considered dead) so he didn't get to meet garp that much that he can love him

[autumn mulch]

eh not really they never had a connection

[glass comet]

Garp took care of ace cause of roger and luffy cause he's actual grandson. Sabo has his own family

[rough violet]

@autumn mulch @glass comet but technically sabo is his grandson too

[hot heart]

if ur a good guy, once you decide to raise a child, you raise the kid for life

garp never confirmed he was going to raise sabo like he did for Ace

[autumn mulch]

nope

the dudes hardly met Sabo, much less taken him in as family and formed a bond with him

[modest skiff]

This isn't really a theories discussion at this point, so please move this conversation to a manga channel

[pliant relic]

guys are there have chance kaido join Luffy ? after what I saw 1043 kaido seem to miss the last blow he know that Luffy awaken the joy boy that he wait at wano

[modest skiff]

I am a firm believer in the idea that Kaido at the very least allies with the Straw Hat pirates. I think his ultimate goal is to overthrow the CDs, which is why King has been so loyally dedicated to him. Kaido has a very different way of achieving a goal that will likely end up being a bit of a side quest for Luffy. If Luffy ends up being Joyboy, Kaido will want to join him. Maybe that ends up being a alliance or maybe it means joining the crew. I am undecided.

[honest jackal]

Kaido was openly willing to kill the civilians of Wano cuz he’s mad. Luffy won’t ally with that

[pliant relic]

I just thought that someone from Wano will be the last crew or at least temporary just for the last island / celestial arc saving sabo , kaido seem similar with Douglas bullet

[golden moon]

Any chance sabo a run away celestial dragons kid

[acoustic rampart]

What do you think about the fact that luffy’s DF could be supe-supe no mi (space space no mi)??

[thick sky]

That seems very unlikely. Luffy's definition of alliance is moreso "friends" than usual definition of it. Luffy isn't a kind of person who tries to sympathize with his opponents and try for healing them. Antagonists in OP are beyond healing as opposed some certain anime and comic series, and its not even in Luffy's character for it.
Kaido would go down for it, whatever might be reason for his actions.

[modest skiff]

Then explain why he allowed Robin to join

[vast pawn]

Wait in chapter 1037 were the Gorosei talking about Luffy’s fruit? It would honestly make sense because they were talking about figuring out the name of a fruit and that it hasn’t been awakened in years blah blah blah and it could’ve been Luffy’s fruit blah blah blah

[golden moon]

I feel like it’s kaidos fruit and momo fruit a failure cause Vega punk couldn’t make it awakened

[vast pawn]

I believe this one funny theory that Vegapunk is a perfectionist and the reason why Momo’s fruit was deemed a failure was because it turned out pink instead of blue like Kaido’s one

[thick sky]

That's not a proper comparison Mohdoo.

Did Luffy allow Caesar to join? He hasn't forgiven him.

The only exception would be Luffy allowing Crocodile to team up, but the key differences here is: Ivankov's assurance. And Luffy's will to defeat Kaido is even more personal than his will to defeat Crocodile. In Crocodile's case, Luffy only did it for Vivi, and the state he saw the country in.

In kaido's case, he did it for Momo, Kin, tama, and due to the country's condition.

Comparing with Robin is just a terrible comparison, and even when Crocodile is a valid comparison, here isn't an extra reassurance and this is far far far more personal

You are severely disrespecting the work put in Luffy's, Robin's and Kaido's character if you think comparing Robin with Kaido made sense tbf

[vast pawn]

It would honestly be hilarious if that was the case

[pliant relic]

gorosei and shanks know kaido won't kill luffy that why they order cp0 to finish luffy.

[vast pawn]

Ik. They probably sent CP0 to kill Luffy because they didn’t want luffy to awaken his fruit and thus bring back JoyBoy. I honestly feel like JoyBoy will act like Luffy’s Kurama

[pliant relic]

maybe they know kaido goal to awaken potential joyboy, that why cp0 seem shocked that last blow kaido misses it.

[vast pawn]

@modest skiff W essay you’re writing there rn

[thick sky]

Probably reply to my message

[pliant relic]

look at page 3/19 1043, he knew that is sign awakened from Luffy

[modest skiff]

This is fair, but I still think there is room for change. But I do want to be clear I think you have good analysis here.

1. Kaido was faced with the reality that CP0 choose to help Kaido win, not Luffy. Kaido has to be left wondering: WHY

2. Kaido will likely end up concluding Luffy is a bigger threat to the WG (his biggest enemy) than he is, in the eyes of the WG

3. Luffy will legitimately be down for the count at one point, and in that moment, Kaido will have the opportunity to decide:

3A) Does Kaido let the WG win?

3B) Does Kaido help Luffy overcome the WG, without knowing why this decision was made by the WG

I think Kaido chooses (B). After hearing Kaido's perspective on the world, a Lunarian would not devote their life to Kaido without Kaido making a convincing case why he is "the guy" to take down the WG. I think that CP0 helping Kaido is actually an enormously terrible thing for the WG because it shows Kaido Luffy is an even bigger threat than Kaido.

Ultimately, I believe Kaido wants a glorious war where he can die while overthrowing the WG. If Luffy is so dangerous that CP0 tips the scales in Kaido's favor, this is apparently a very unique situation where Kaido needs to react.

I believe that Kaido will, at one point, decide to save 1 or more straw hats (Or an ally) in a time where he not only did not need to, but also when Luffy could NOT. So Kaido will essentially protect a Straw Hat during a time when Luffy failed (similar to Ace situation) and it will make Luffy have to wonder whether Kaido was just really misguided or just a bad dude. I think he will conclude Kaido was just really misguided, exactly the same as Robin.

[vast pawn]

I’m on the Resin Fruit train it seems pretty legit who’s with me?

[golden moon]

Oil

[vast pawn]

This dude on YouTube @ ImperfectFrenzy said this

“Every time I've heard about the resin
fruit theory so far, people seem to
forget one interesting thing about
amber: fossilization. An awakened resin
fruit might just be able to fully preserve
the user or the user's spirit. So from
this perspective, Luffy having the resin
fruit could make him the ultimate
personification of inherited will. Now,
I'm not entirely sure if I would really like
that, but at this point I'm trusting Oda
to make something good out of it.”

Oops I accidentally pinged someone sorry

[sturdy hound]

@errant grotto not here

[pliant relic]

does Devil Fruit awaken Joyboy or will of D clan only can awaken joyboy? , if DF awaken joyboy why government hunting D clan.

[modest skiff]

The WG is not hunting D. If that was true, Saul would not be a marine.

[golden moon]

Interesting that resin theory was made based off mis translation that no one seems to mention

[modest skiff]

Clarify?

[golden moon]

10 is juu not ju so it makes juushi not jushi

For 44 tho 4(shi) can be child or 44(shishi) can be lion

[modest skiff]

For those of us who don't speak Japanese, what are you saying here? Ju vs Juu?

[golden moon]

Juu is 10

So saying 1043 is jushi mi is wrong when it’s juu shi mi

[vast pawn]

The 10 children fruit wtf!?

[modest skiff]

Thanks mr taint

[golden moon]

But he got the 3 translated wrong too https://l-lingo.com/free-lessons/en/learn-japanese/numbers-1-10.html

[vast pawn]

Time to say some complete BS which is a 100% joke/satire on some absurd theories/conclusions some people make pls don’t come at me for this

Derashishi= Dera Lion Child = D. Era Lion Child = Lion Child from the Era of D.

[thick sky]

This would be by far the worst decision I would have ever seen in any place and I wouldn't even touch One Piece if he chooses to go along with that.

That is analogous to a forced redemption. What Kaido wants isn't what he should he awarded. Kaido not dying a glorious death is the point of his character conclusion. The world of One Piece doesn't focus on "these people are blank state canvas and the way they turned out was a result to a corrupt system that all of them had to suffer". Kaido isn't doing anything with greater good in mind. It's his selfish decision, its for "power", its for him to have a glorious death. Even if he has a saf bsckstory, none of his actions are meant for a collective good, much less for anyone else other than himself. His dreams should be crushed, like Luffy has done to other antagonists, not be sympathized with and help achieve.

One Piece's world focuses on political suppression which wasn't a result of the antagonist having sufferred such supression, but for their selfish purpose. This could be argued for Doffy, but it is much nuanced than it and would require a seperate essay for it so ignoring him. And Yeah Hody Jones too, but I don't think I should explain why his is different. And yeah back to point, those who have been a victim of such political suppression would try to save others from it. Such is Luffy, who has seen it with Sabo and with the place he, Ace and Sabo were in (I forgot the name).

All in all, just having a sad back story doesn't mean his actions are justified, and such decision from Oda would go completely against Luffy's character and the messages One Piece has been giving with each single one of Luffy's major encounters.

[golden moon]

If you want a moldable form of rubber just look at putty rubber eraser and how luffy can have both rubber eraser and gum eraser properties

[thick sky]

Also yeah Mohdoo, I might be late to give reply to your coming reply of my above message as I got some urgent work rn. Would continue the discussion when I get back from it

[vast pawn]

I think he’ll just get some Katakuri V2 type shit tbh

[golden moon]

Keshigomu no mi I’d bet money

Or pategomu no mi

[thick sky]

It could be argued once we get his back story, if there is such content in that, but misguided antagonists are much nuanced than just having a sad back story.

Anyways gtg

[pliant relic]

I'm suspicious about shanks why gorosei didn't punish shank after he stole DF from them, and he had a meeting with them. shank the most free pirate

[vast pawn]

Kinda like he’ll gain properties of a electricity resistant heatable resin thingy

[golden moon]

But the 10 44(shishi) shishi Kagura dance in Japan when you google it is referred to as liberating drum music played along to a multi step lion dance

[vast pawn]

Which I’m negl that whole heat thing fits perfectly which the concept of his Red techniques

[modest skiff]

This is fair. I wouldn’t say I fully agree, but this is good logic. My assumptions all come down to the fact that I label Xebec as an antihero rather than an antagonist. I think Kaido will see Luffy as a less antihero version of Xebec. But I won’t pretend I know that to be true.

[golden moon]

Erasers make heat with friction too imo

But he didn’t generate flames with snake man for like he does with gear 2 and snake man is faster

[vast pawn]

They don’t even have those in OP yet they still be using a quill with ink💀💀💀

Also WTF didn’t Luffy use his Tankman form before Kaido slammed his bitchass to the ground!? The whole concept of Tankman is defence so whip on some ryuo and Kaido is about to get a fucking Uno reverse card smashing through his damn skull

[modest skiff]

The other thing that eraser doesn’t explain is the smoke or steam that Luffy lets out

[golden moon]

Vulcanized rubber eraser

[modest skiff]

I think any mystery surrounding Luffy’s fruit will involve explaining the mist/steam stuff as something else the whole time

[golden moon]

Kneaded eraser gear 5 is non vulcanized free form rubber

[modest skiff]

That is what we are told, but it doesn’t explain why his body exhausts a lot of it when he loses his gear 4

[vast pawn]

Tankman should be used WAY more often IMO as a last resort of defence

[golden moon]

Gear 5 is ryou form of gear 4 imo

[hearty osprey]

Plot twist, the gaint straw hat at impel down is actually zunishas

[vast pawn]

Istfg I will laugh so hard to the point where my balls will just orgasm and then bust if the goopy thing on luffy was actually Caribou and that Oda was actually trolling us all

[lone hedge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/833428729266438194/861888283901165578/image0-4__01.jpg

[modest skiff]

Rexon, that is a common misconception. The reality is that Luffy does not lose life by using G2. It was a translation error

[thick sky]

They are probably talking about Luffy saying he is now adept in using the gears or smth like that

[thick sky]

Well yeah, we don't have to fully agree. Everyone has different interpretation of stuff
Also the discussion was good

I legit don't remember any other such instances, and I think I remember most of the story pretty well

[modest topaz]

before the timeskip he does, but after timeskip he can now easily use it without risk

If he use it numerous times he will lose some lifespan before the timeskip

[rough violet]

No he still jeeps on losings lifespans from using gears plus there was that impel down incident like @pure raven said so i Don't think je will live till he's old

But the gears still carry risks they're not completely harmless

Gears

[grim pine]

heylo

[neat mirage]

Is it gear 5 or awakened fruit????

[grim pine]

awakening

or maybe both..

[tulip hedge]

Or neither

[primal roost]

Or It’s Something Entirely Different

[vast pawn]

Awakened I’m pretty sure

[rough violet]

Ofc it would be awakening or shouldn't luffy had used gear 5 against an opponent like kaido? Why would he hold back ehile fighting him

[thick sky]

why is it reacted with Adobe experience design's icon lmao

[vast pawn]

It says XD

[rough violet]

Because its says xD

[thick sky]

🗿

[vast pawn]

Also in chapter 1037 the Gorosei were talking about a fruit which hasn’t been awakened in years and don’t want it to be awakened which has to be Luffy’s because they sent CP0 to kill him off

[slim mountain]

Joy Boy Haki Theory

In this theory, I will go over the idea that Luffy possesses the same Haki as Joy Boy and that is what has awakened instead of a Spirit or Soul of Joy Boy within Luffy.

Luffy's Haki:
We already know that Luffy has incredible Haki. He not only has a certain degree of mastery of all 3 colors of Haki, but also can also hear the voice of all things, and can even communicate telepathically like Zunisha.

Why is the Voice of all Things related to Observation Haki and Joy Boy:
Observation Haki is described by Rayleigh in Chapter 597 as the power to sense another's presence. Rayleigh later explains in a flashback that Observation Haki can be used subconsciously.
There have been several times where someone using observation haki has mentioned "hearing the voices" of people, such as Koby in Marineford or Aisa on Skypeia. This is also similar to chapter 1043 where several people realize they can no longer "hear" Luffy's voice. If we take this into consideration, it would be plausible to hear not only the voices of people but of other things as well.
In chapter 195, Zoro is shown to have avoided the falling rocks because he could sense their presence. He realizes that everything has its own "breath". How do you sense breath? By hearing it. I believe Zoro unlocks Haki in this chapter, as he uses early Armament Haki to cut Mr. 1 and also early Observation Haki to avoid the rocks. Luffy just has a step above this with the ability to hear not only their breath but also their voices.
When Luffy is thrown off the roof by Kaido in chapter 1014, Kaido makes note of Luffy's poor use of Conqueror's Haki infusion and then states that he couldn't be Joy Boy either. In 1015, Luffy is still unconscious but can somehow communicate with Momonosuke telepathically just like Zunisha can. Momonosuke is the only one on Onigashima that was depicted as hearing him, but it may be that Zunisha heard him as well and that is why Zunisha came to Wano. We later learn that Zunisha is a former comrade of Joy Boy, and so it is very likely that Joy Boy could at the very least hear Zunisha just like Luffy and Momonosuke. This leads me to believe that Joy Boy could hear the Voice of all Things.

How can Luffy have someone elses Haki?:
In chapter 1002, Kaido can sense the presence of Oden within Enma. As previously mentioned, sensing the presence of another is an ability of Observation Haki. I believe that this is the same kind of phenomenon happening in chapter 1043 when Zunisha can sense the presence of Joy Boy. Zunisha can sense Joy Boy's Haki within Luffy.

Why did this happen now and not previously?:
One explanation could be that Joy Boy was a previous user of Luffy's devil fruit, and that the Haki of the previous user can be awakened along with the fruit. It could also just be something special and exclusive to Joy Boy.

[slim mountain]

@marble stirrup @sturdy hound

I realize I am missing a connector piece, but I think the main idea is there

[sturdy hound]

i certinally think this is a cool lead here, just not sure if this is conclusive evidence for it.
this panel you found is interesting to say the least. this fight was pretty important back then and continues to be so now in wano, so i wouldnt be surprised if it ends up being a lead.
same with oden's haki, after we had that concept explored idt it's too far fetched for smth similar to happen here, be it through the fruit or the hat, even tho the latter doesnt really have a clear connection here.

all the threads about haki dont really connect here, but i get the idea of the awakening brining this haki forth.
it can easily match timing wise, since luffy had been most likely going through these changes for a bit now and it wasnt spontaneous after kaido knockeed him out again.

pretty cool concept, prolly needs more work to tie it all in together

[slim mountain]

Yeah I could use some more time and editing etc.. Probably not a 5am job

I'm actually really happy with the general idea though, and I am happy to see your response

[sturdy hound]

yea it's a pretty cool idea, might be onto smth here

[rough violet]

Thinking on the basis of this theory maybe joyboy somehow shared its haki with a group of people and the people with whom he shared it added a name D. In their name. Its possible that regaining that haki take several years to manifest that's why there was a time give like when roger foound the one piece he said "we cane too early" and the person everyone is waiting for will come in 20 years , so that haki took 800 years to manifest over different generations of the people of D. Family .

Another thing might be that that haki was passed on through that straw hat which only roger and his crew know of, kaido don't possibly know everything about joyboy's comeback

So roger entrusted the straw hat to shanks so he could give it to a person he feels worthy of becoming joyboy

Pretty rough but some points can make sense🤽

[umbral summit]

i dont t hink straw hat can last 800 years

[rough violet]

Infused with joyboy's haki or made from som other element that makes it look like a hat made from straw?

[pure raven]

you freeze em it's simple my friend

[slim mountain]

I'm not a fan of the hat being more than a hat

[rough violet]

But it sure does have an importance give Rayleigh said "he has become a man worthy of wearing that straw hat" and being entrusted to generation after generation

And what about the first part of the theory?

[slim mountain]

Shanks had the hat before they learned anything

First part.. there isn't anything in the story to base that off of

[rough violet]

🚶 i forgot

[umbral summit]

thats only because Gol D roger wore it i think

[slim mountain]

I agree. He's living up to Rayleigh's expectation of someone wearing his partner's hat

[umbral summit]

i think luffy is joyboy's great great great great grandson

[rough violet]

runs away after theory got rejected with faxx

[slender fulcrum]

then why the name of the DF was changed? no point to change rubber into gum gum lol

[tulip hedge]

Is there any theory on why Devil Fruit users are vulnerable to seastone/water and armament haki?
Maybe it was hinted somewhere but I totally missed or forgot
But I feel like there has to be some sort of explanation or connection between the 3
And maybe there's a reason why (supposedly) Roger and Shanks never got a devil fruit for themselves other than the weakness coming with it, like the origins of devil fruits and some other drawbacks coming from them

[slim mountain]

Now that I've seen this panel I have some more thoughts on Joy Boy's return. This is from a long, long time ago in One Piece where the rules of haki were not quite as developed. The text basically says that when he was halfway between the living and dead his heart beat like a drum and then he could use haki. It's almost like a "haki bloom". Perhaps Luffy entered this state which is why it seems he died, and his haki bloomed exponentially to a certain point. Perhaps this is the same that happened when he was thrown off the roof, and it happened again in 1043 which got him to the point of being recognized as Joy Boy. Perhaps the requirement for being Joy Boy is having developed haki to such an insane state or something along those lines. Haki is willpower and ambition, and Rayleigh said that with observation you can also sense intent. So maybe Joy Boy is one with such big haki with the right intent or something like that.

[faint dune]

I have a theory that the D clan were a groupe of slaves that joyboy saved and since then they swore to fulfill his dream and will and thus took on the will of death (D clan).

[quaint cipher]

yo crazy theory

What if Luffy's memory was erased by puddings fruit, turned into a baby by Bonney's fruit and sent to the future from tokis fruit but all previous users from void century.

What if Dragon is also from void century and the king of ancient kingdom and his son is joy boy.

Garp is actually a long line descendent of the monkey d family. He never married or had an actual son. He put marines first

[faint dune]

dude to much of a reach that one.

it is his grandson and dragon does perceive luffy as his son and is concerned about him most of the time.

[limber spade]

I feel this one

[slim mountain]

Imu is the mother of Joy Boy.

Oda has said that Mom is the opposite of adventure. The greatest opposition to Luffy's ambitions. A lot of people think they are from the void century, so I think this is plausible.

[prisma quest]

this is actually fire

[agile tangle]

I mean I guess that ties in with why bonney's fruit is relevant

Because bonney appears to be here and there but not really of relevance yet

[tepid coral]

@late fiber Not the channel for asking spoilers go to #spoilers

[late fiber]

I thought I was in the spoiler channel

[pure raven]

ok whos got the craziest theory.... go

[cyan sand]

ZKK is the craziest theory I know of

[swift patrol]

That’s a stretch but I mean. Could be? Anything’s game at this point

[formal marsh]

which one is that one again ?

ahh, forget I ask ... I agree with you.

[tulip hedge]

I know it's not the same but it gives me very much the Fairy Tail vibe
I really hope it's not the case personally but sure, possible to a certain degree or somewhat different like maybe luffy is joyboys son and was sent in the future as a baby idk, I'd really hate if there's time travel involved tho and memory erasure xD

[cyan sand]

I don't think everyone laughed at you

[stray storm]

guys trust me in that last panel of 1043 its just caribou next to luffy 🙏

[hot heart]

from what i recall mainly to do with stuff like the word nika is a word play for smiling. oda's favourite panel has luffy look like sun god nika, and there's connections between drums/luffy/nika

[timber silo]

bruh delete that its spoilers

@dusk sand

[sturdy hound]

those are msgs from 2 weeeks ago

[hot heart]

like the drum sound visual whatever you call it, and that there's lots of mentions of drums in binks sake and so on

[timber silo]

ahh ok my bad then it said 1044 spoilers

[hot heart]

if it's related to spoilers, you prob should still delete. u can be smug after chapter is out

[timber silo]

i didn't check the the messages cuz i didn't wanan get spoiled my bad

[dusk sand]

Don't talk about them here dude

[bright citrus]

Bruh r u a mod or what? Room

[tepid coral]

I am helper

[bright citrus]

Oh... Ok

Black beard mostly focus n devil fruits and knows much about it as well

He may also know how it works... So we don't hv to wait for vegapunk to explain the dfs

[proud tree]

is this Oda foreshaddowing that Vivi will get kidnapped? (Chapter 217

[real pine]

This might just for shadowed luffy kidnapping Rebeca

[iron lion]

ppl ascribe too much brilliance to oda

yes he plans the story out. No he does not goes this deep into directly foreshadowing throwaway lines

odds are he wrote this as a throwaway line after alabasta, then 500 chapters later for dressrosa when the arc was winding down, he was thinking of ways to conclude it, reread the conclusion of alabasta- and decided to do something with this

[mint prairie]

Overtaken: An inexpert musical analysis.
Disclaimer: Initial credits go to samurp7 from the Pirate-King.es Forums and his fantastic "Overtaken told us who Joy Boy was all along".

We're all pretty much acquainted with the presence of drums in the One Piece anime soundtrack, which is particularly worth reviewing in the newly discovered context of the Drums of Liberation, tied, of course, to Luffy.
Moreover, Overtaken is one of the most recognisable themes, particularly used extensively during the East Blue and Paradise sagas, with special emphasis on group scenes (e.g. Walk to Arlong Park).

Now, onto the analysis of instruments used:

• [0:00] First of all, we have the bongos and cymbals, setting up the rhythm the following instruments shall follow as the are introduced. The bongos play a part in landing Luffy's upbeat energy into the beat, while the cymbals add a pinch of whimsicality, rather characteristic of Luffy's musical leitmotif.
• [0:05] Shortly after, Zoro's signature low-register trumpet makes an entrance, appropriate for the first mate and first to join. The trumpet, initially sets up the primary melody, which is the most characteristic part of the theme.
• [0:14] The trumpet is also shortly followed by larger drums, complimenting the other sounds with a resounding, distinctive percussion that will creep from beneath the rest of the instruments throughout the entirety of the song. Whether you want to think of this as the sound cue for the creation of the Straw Hat Pirates or keep it exclusively as an addition to either the song as a whole or Luffy's more percussive presence is up to you. This is, however, the rawest sound of them all, permeating the piece and giving it its signature impact. I believe these must be the Drums of Liberation, influencing our neophyte crew throughout their journey.

• [0:16] While you might think the song will follow the joining order of the Straw Hat Pirates, you get thrown for a loop by a higher-pitched Trumpet, creating a direct contrast with the other trumpet. This sound represents, actually, Sanji, as both trumpets (the same instrument) contrast and compete with each other, to the point we get a Call and Response segment at [0:19].
• [0:22] Right afterwards, and appropriately placed as a break from the previous quarrel-like routine, a Cello enters, representing Nami, in the short burst of a scale, syncing both trumpets into following the already established melody with a commanding voice.
• [0:32] With the thunderous return of the larger drums, a new voice steps in: a set of violin strings shyly make their way into the theme, going up and down, contrasting the established melody, but building confidence until they join the others through a crescendo, most like a certain reindeer who builds up his way into the crew.
• [0:44] Stepping into the scene alongside the return of old familiar voices, a snare drum introduces a march tune, inspired by war marches of old. This most likely represents Usopp's desires of becoming a brave warrior of the sea, supporting the more dominant instruments from afar with a precise rhythm.
• [1:00] A new set of strings, now violas steps in, closely tied to the one before, following the steps of the ensemble that preceded it but in a more mature, confident sound, taking more decisive steps and building into a more definite crescendo towards [1:10] and, joint with the first violin set, a second, more powerful one towards [1:24], this is surely a sound more fitting of Robin.
• [1:05] After the viola introduction, we are right away introduced to metallic, seemingly artificial sounds, a fitting sound for Franky. This sound, however, takes a backseat alongside the snare drums as the strings crescendos take over the soundscape.

• [1:20] At the peak of the following crescendo, a second set of violins sneaks in and takes over with more definite scales, its own twists on the previous melodies and motifs and subtly encasing the entire piece into a display of expertise with its high tempo and pitch that complement the rest of the instruments while also leaving its own signature, something befitting of a master musician as Brook, capable of imbuing the piece with unprecedented, full of life sounds.
• [1:49] Last, but not least, lower pitched Tubas make an appearance just as the last instance of the melody is played, into an explosive last few seconds where we can finally listen to ALL instruments united into an ensemble. These low-pitched, slower notes are akin to that of Jinbei, or latest (and possibly last) member, helping keep the rest of the instruments cohesive into one final performance, all permeated by the thunderous, unchanging sound of DRUMS.

While this might be an overthinking on my part, I'd like to present the points above as evidence not of a 20+ years long planning, but a retroactive decision to incorporate old ideas into a grander narrative by Oda himself (let's remember he has worked with Tanaka Kouhei, especially on the writing of Binks' Sake). I think it also helps carry a greater significance to the piece, to the point the first time we hear Overtaken in the New World is when all of the Straw Hat Pirates (Jinbei included) gather up in the Gyoncorde Plaza on Fishman Island.

Disclaimer (again): Initial credits go to samurp7 from the Pirate-King.es Forums and his fantastic "Overtaken told us who Joy Boy was all along", I did a retake on his post, taking a look at the song myself and trying to figure out what instruments are played and how the intermingle.

Here's the song so you can check it out yourself as a companion piece!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8A-q3TM8kPk

[sturdy hound]

so this is what youve been writing all day

[mint prairie]

Yes. It was busy when I was writing it so I saved it for later.

[iron lion]

very interesting!

[willow plinth]

how long do you guys think , the raid will continue , considering we still have kaido's flashbacks and other history of wano ?

[drowsy copper]

Guys can I understand the reason behind the theories of "resin resin" and "nika nika"?
This is what I understood for now:

resin resin references::

1. 1043 has the word resin if you read numbers in japanese
2. People relate Rufy to Wukong for obvious reasons and there is this picture of Wukon which some sticky resin on it
3. Kaido referencing "Rubber shouldn't be able to do this"

nika nika references (this is where I don't get it much):

1. nika means smile, and indeed Rufy is smiling at the end of the chapter, and we can say the whole one piece has the "smiling" theme
2. ppl reference to a Nika God from mythology (which I'm oblivious about) and apparently Wukong Legend was about him being thought as the Nika God
3. rufy is highly inspired to wukong and as having the Monkey as surname and as being highly inspired to Son Goku from Dragon Ball

Is this correcT? are these the reasons why ppl are talking about those theories? how is Nika related to Sun? I don't get that

[iron lion]

No

[steady prism]

Nika has the title "the sun god". Also other cultures in OP (e.g. Shandians) worship the Sun God. So Nika being related to Sun makes sense.

One of the big pushes for resin is mainly due to how well it fits with Luffy's current rubber-rubber df.

[drowsy copper]

why? I'm talkign about the theories of last week

[drowsy copper]

so Nika is a Mythological character that has the title "the sun god", or are we talking about Son Wukong

[steady prism]

Nika is Nika. This has nothing to do with Wukong

[drowsy copper]

is it the one Who's who talked about, or is it outside of OP?

[steady prism]

It's the one Who's who talked about

[drowsy copper]

OOOOOOOOOOH, now I see.. so ppl took it from there

I remember that guy being referenced as the Sun God.. I dont' remember it was named Nika

[steady prism]

There are some thoughts on how the name "Nika" sounds a lot like "Nike", which is the name of the goddess of victory in Greek mythology. But that's outside of OP

[lone hedge]

Get a role (pirate/revo/marine/civilian) in #old-role-info to be able to post pictures!

[mint prairie]

@royal spruce

!theories

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using #manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description.

[raven flame]

4. Jaya (जय).—A synonym of the Sun <<-- look what i found. Could Jaya Island mean Sun Island.
5. Jaya (जय).—A nāga (serpent) born <-- Jaya is also a name of snake, the snake in the sky island ?
6. Jaya (जय).—(jayavijayas) They were gate-keepers of Vaikuṇṭha. <<-- i searched
   and found vaikuntha means Heaven..

and i found this

combining all three points, we can say its Sun Island,and linked with Snake(which was worshipped by Shandians) and gateway to sky island

[hot heart]

controversial opinion: i think luffy is going to get a 'cheat' victory through JoyBoy wrecking Kaido, before Luffy retakes control of himself. Luffy will have a proper 1 vs 1 against Kaido in another arc and win against him fairly then. Right now, I think there's going to be such big plot movements and twists that the raid and the fight against Kaido won't matter that as much.

[raven flame]

and found out that Jaya also mean Victory in few websites

and what if joyboy is actually called as Jay boy, who came from jaya island (like Ivankov calls luffy as mugiwara boy)?

[quartz fiber]

What exactly does the chatbox mean for that channel?

[cyan berry]

theres a thread active

dont worry about it

also not really the place to ask this question

[quartz fiber]

Thank you. But yes, sorry. No where else to ask since i’ve been hearing “do not even mention the thought of spoilers” in the regular channels. Will not disrupt this channel more. 👍

[viral sluice]

FUN FACT: Natural (and even partly snythetic) rubber is made from resin, so it's still correct to call Luffy a rubber man and his fruit the Gomu Gomu No Mi, the awakening just taps into it's natural origin and breaks the rubber down into its more liquid form
luffy fruit allowes him to control resin thats why his hair is drippy
and when he is in his gears he is heating up the resin witch is dmging his boddy
and when he gets knocked out buy kaido and joy boy awakend its the hardends resin hearts wich is beeeting like a drum

[normal plume]

Could it be that Joyboy is an overseer of all who inherit the gomu-gomu no mi since the void. So he decides who will be his vessel when he finally manifests himself

and ideally he may have liked to wait more to emerge in Luffy but Luffy has shown himself to be the one he was waiting for and he was at his last straw

it ties with the themes of fate and inherited will, joyboy overseeas and waits as spectator for the right one (who has inherited his will or more precisely a will and resolve at his caliber and aligning with his goals)- maybe there is a prophecy this person will have the gomu-gomu no mi. And so the body with his inherited will becomes a body of his own to inherit as his best bet..

i suppose others have had this thought too, I haven't been browsing. but with the new chapter now upon us soon, I am beginning to ponder again

if it is like that then Luffy's will won't have to battle joyboys for repossession, as they have the same will- so coming back and restoring Luffy and guiding him towards the right direction he should concede willingly

[pure raven]

Wutchu mean, she got Sabonapped

[normal plume]

What I like about that idea is that Luffy is NOT Joyboy just as surely as Yamato is not Oden, Luffy is Luffy- and although his will may align he has his own will and resolve for his own reasons even if they have been guided to this destiny from the start, he made those decisions himself and surely as the mc will return to himself sooner rather than later

that would mean Luffy has been using his DF wrong all this time

Well if Luffy's DF is not what it appears to be, it rings true to Luffy always ending up taking the hardest routes to get to his destination, always choosing the hardest courses to travel on he can, taking on the final bosses himself even insisting solo and under less than ideal circumstances- there are countless examples but what came to mind is his bloody climb up the mountain on Choppers island in that horrible blizzard carrying Sanji and Nami, the next morning we saw there was a lift available right next to his climb all along. Maybe its one of the prerequisites for his will and resolve matching Joyboys

well you would think from this either Joyboy is going to bestow him with some new powers deeming him worthy, or if he has been using his fruit wrong guide him to its true power potential, in any case Luffy is about to get a massive upgrade

if this theory is true the reason Joyboy has waited to emerge after finding the right person must probably be because he can only come for a very limited time, the other end of the theory is that Joyboy hasn't been a sentient presence but only a certain mastery of haki + death triggered his awakening from the DF as a required catalyst

[pure raven]

Interesting

[normal plume]

I prefer he can only stay for a very limited time- he will come and guide Luffy- and Luffy with these new powers will be the one defeating Kaidou. Whats curious and counter to my theory is Kaidou's remark to luffy "you're not Joyboy either" - meaning Luffy has been Joyboy all along- its not something I favor as a literal translation though

With this Roger, Shanks, Rayleigh, and Joyboy himself will all play heavy parts in guidings luffy's fate and destiny

with WB playing an heavy assist. It will resonate well with the themes of fate, inherited will, and the pursuit of freedom never ceasing that are core to the OP story

[mint prairie]

!theories @paper oxide

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using #manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description.

[mint prairie]

@pine quarry Read the message above.

[lost hornet]

i believe the gum gum fruit is acrtually a resin fruit. thoughts?

[mint prairie]

Read the channel description and try elaborating on your thoughts. Manga related small-talk and rapid-fire thoughts belong in #manga and #also-manga.

[normal plume]

one thing is a leading probability though, joyboys appearance is most likely a cause of the gomu gomu no mi- its likely why we got the panel of the gorusei discussing how its impossible and a legend and that devil fruit hasn't been awakened for centuries, and hidden using another name in history. They probably know the awakening awakens Joyboy. Probably to ensure it was impossible it awakened and eliminate any risk they commanded the cp0 operative to kill Luffy immediately not waiting for the outcome of his fight. But why now? Is it because Zunisha altered course? And how did he know, why did he?

okayy gtg work now nice discussions aha

[silver sphinx]

this is amazing. it literally does fit. one piece....im so grateful this series exists.

[silver sphinx]

do you have the link to the original theory?

[pure raven]

Dude all of these theories are great

I can’t wait for the new chapter and volume 99 to come out in may

[modest ibex]

My short theory is that, back in the marineford, they don't really think luffy can awaken the true power of his df, I think they didn't see his potential during the marine ford?
But still they monitored luffy cause they know he has the df, contrast if they kill Luffy they will be back at zero.
But now they'll realize that luffy can awaken it.
sry bad english.

[modest skiff]

We try to have posts like this go in the manga channels rather than the theories channel. Just a matter of us using this channel for more dedicated theory discussion

[mental crag]

i see, sorry

[modest skiff]

No worries, just letting you know 🙂

[halcyon flint]

What if, Im sama was partners with joy boy

[open bluff]

What if luffy goes all raging beast mode doesn't see the difference between ally and enemy and kills or wounds someone like momonoske or yamato really badly

[toxic tundra]

do we have a summary of Mr. Morj's raid failing theory here. or people who support it - can you give a quick/brief description of why you guys think the raid will fail?

[weak wadi]

This is a no spoiler channel

[pure raven]

what if imu is a descendant of joy boy

[austere tangle]

What if imu is joyboys brother and imu became immortal and joyboy didn’t become immortal

[pure raven]

it could be something like that but its highly unlikely because even oda said that its not gonna be no immortal crap

[slender fulcrum]

Theory :

BB is aiming at the " empty throne " and not the OP.
The dream he referred to is Xebec dream : topple the WG and rule the world instead, and with the theme of his fruit, that'll be a darkness rule.
He will use an ancient weapon to put down the gurusei and IMU.
The WG and the marine will have to submit to his rules, but some splinters group will go rogue to fight against him.

Luffy will be the sun that will free the world, leading it to its dawn.
He'll uncover the one piece and will fight BB at marijoie, destroying red line at the same time, and fishman Island beneath.

Imu and the Gurusei are a bad way to a good end. Enforcing the stability of the world to prevent the rise of a " xebec " or a " BB ", but will fail it. They fought against the ancient kingdom that was ruled by the original user of the darkness fruit

[cyan sand]

I like it, especially since I believe the 'one piece' is quite literally the unification of the 4 seas, 'all blue', by destroying the red line + other stuff as well (i.e. even if the one piece itself isn't treasure, there's gotta be SOME treasure right?). In a way, their dreams of becoming pirate king are the same, but couldn't be more different because of the implications behind their own dreams.

[weak wadi]

I think imu is ymir personally. Or atleast has that devil fruit.

[slender fulcrum]

It's possible that Laugh Tale is beneath reverse mountain and that uncovering the One Piece by the one who was expected to find it will trigger the destruction of the Reverse mountain and the union of the four seas, and then allow everyone to gather to reach marijoie faster and counter attack. Like a gathering point that is directly facing the capital. I may theorize that the " One Piece " is this missing key , the one awaited at Laugh Tale, that will complete a long term plan put by Joy Boy or whoever did this. Hence why Roger motivated everyone to reach this place

[cyan sand]

I have heard of that idea before and I'm not so against it, even if it's strange that no one found it other than roger and I would have liked nami to be crucial to finding laugh tale. At any rate I'm convinced that the literal 'X' marked on the globe by the red line will have some meaning.

[slender fulcrum]

Well the whole name " reverse mountain" is sus as fuck

[weak wadi]

I don't think one piece is about destroying the red line. It must be bigger than this surely. I think it is more about humans coming to the one piece world from another planet and enslaving the other races while also forming the world government. I think the one piece treasure is how to set the world free by destroying something like sunlight tree eve and Ym allowing people to be free again. In doing this the red line will fall apart as I think Ym created it.

[cyan sand]

If you want a more crazy idea of where laughtale is, how about the north/ south pole where the 'X' is literally marked at?

[cyan sand]

Oh for sure I didn't mean that was all, but just 1 thing I absolutely expect to happen since one of one piece's core themes is freedom and the world government sitting on top of the red line controlling a geological feature that literally segregates the world into quarters must be demolished. It's similar to what luffy did for nami in arlong park, destroying her room to set her free, or what he's been predicted to do in the future, destroying fishman island, which is directly below the red line. By doing so, the fishmen would have to live up on the surface with everyone else, which is their dream.

[slender fulcrum]

There is another point to reinforce that, but we're going into spoilers territory so it'll have to wait next week

[weak wadi]

yeah I think it has something to do with what happened 900 years ago. I believe humans are not of this world and they created the redline and then took over kingdoms during this time. 100 years later joyboy who inherited the will of someone tried to change this but ultimately failed for some reason. It may have been because uranus not being around at that time and being a requirement. In the stories on Ymir it takes 3 to kill him and I belive that is poseidon, uranus and another weapon.

It takes 3 gods to kill Ymir which I believe is Im/Ym

Could be dragon luffy and sabo as it was origianlly odin vill and ve and vill and vie are brothers and sons of odin.

[cyan sand]

I haven't looked much into what theories there are for Imu tbh, but the one that I subscribe to is funnily enough a word play hinted one even though I usually dislike word play based theories, where 'imu' backwards is 'umi', the sea, so maybe they have a power related to the sea/ devil fruits, some sort of meta power. At this point I'm happy for any imu theories though since so much could work.

[glass comet]

and maybe imu is just a spirit now and he possessed sabo

[austere tangle]

Nah that can’t be right

[weak wadi]

I think joyboy and imu are not the same. Imu is closer to nika. I think nika and imu were around well before the void century.

[rocky dock]

I have a theory that when Kaido dies, he wants to have an impact like roger and whitebeard, he wants to confirm to the world that joyboy has returned.
It’ll be legendary

just like how White beard confirmed the one piece exists

[rustic sapphire]

Wrong chat bro

[craggy oak]

oh frick
My bad

where is the theory channel

[amber oar]

it's this one but

• the idea is not throwing cheap one-liners, but discussing properly developed theories
• if it's about the next chapter's leaks, you can't discuss it here. Either comment it in the spoilers channels (probably not ideal with the current chaos ) or wait for the release

[tawdry bobcat]

what if some previous holder of ope-ope no mi performed immortality surgery in imu during the void centure and he/she is still alive since then

[lime cape]

Sure, someone has to know that that fruit has that ability

[tawdry bobcat]

yes like nothing is said in op without reason , the fact that they told the fruit has that ability means someone performed that surgery on someone and also possible that law would perform it on someone. what i think the most is as luffy constantly using gears which carry risks and 10 years of his lifespan were taken away most probably he will perform it on luffy

[hardy bear]

luffy melting looks like sun god nikas hair

[velvet moon]

Joyboy and Nika are probably the same person

[lime cape]

Meh if he has a normal life span of 80-90 years -10 from poison - a certain number of years bc of the gears then he'll live 40-50 years more

[velvet moon]

Kinda unrelated but is the newest chapter out anywhere or is it just leaks?

[lime cape]

Just leaks

[tawdry bobcat]

it could be parallel to roger him dying at a young age

[lime cape]

And we get a chopper arc developing the cure to not sacrifice Law

[velvet moon]

I mean roger died relatively old though

[fading sierra]

Something is rlly sus about luffys df

[candid acorn]

Honestly when the 5 elders were talking about eliminating luffy I think that has something t to do with when shanks talked to the five elders and whatever he said can be a reason they needed him to die so he can awaken or whatever

[exotic portal]

Woo

[pure raven]

Shanks definitely told the five elders to eliminate luffy

[fallen tartan]

@regal cedar

[lime cape]

I think he threatened the gorosei with luffy

[surreal cedar]

Man i dont want luffy to become resin ewww

[rocky stirrup]

Who that idiot

[warm cave]

Yes for sure

[jaunty jewel]

Last chapter name will be romance dusk

[ornate relic]

Facts

[chilly current]

sounds lit

[lost arch]

Do you agree with the theory that Kaido isn't angry about people interrupting his fights with Luffy and Oden because he wants to have fun but because he thinks the 2 are candidates to be joyboy and is trying to help awaken joyboy in them with near death experiences

[lost arch]

Roger had to have an ancient weapon. His crew was small the the power wasnt balanced at all there wasnt large divisions with their respective commanders, they were just 1 team. His bounty was only a tad larger than the other yonkos so he and Rayleigh cant just roll the entirety of Kaidos crew or whatever. So there must be a reason why the yonkos or world government didn't just go all out on him well maybe its because they couldn't bring much of their crew because he had a little weather related ancient weapon. It could bring mass destruction even yonkos can only protect a small number of people from it.

Golden shiki tried and failed miserably. Im thinking of it kinda like namis clima takt on steroids, who created it? The weird weather people from the sky islands.

[pale pivot]

Binks sake is one piece

[merry fractal]

Might also be impotent rage at the fact someone more "worthy" shows their face near him. He seems to have held a deep belief that he was joyboy, and he became a bitter alcoholic in the meantime. Ace toured the world and convinced a bunch of people he had it in him to be Pirate King, and Kaido wanted very much to crash his execution and fight Whitebeard, who was both close to Gol and believed Ace inherited his Will. He seems to hold gigantic amounts of contempt for the people closest to joyboy/pirate king.

[dark palm]

@lone adder keep memes out of this channel, thanks

[timid oxide]

We all know the bubble in sabaody are made of resin, and akainu and ice guy (I forgot his name) changed the environment by fighting, does that mean the previous user or the gomu gomu no mi was able to change the area of sabaody?

[rotund ibex]

You know every basic OP parody always jokes about "Oh the One Piece is just going to wind up being a one piece bathing suit!" or "The One Piece will be a note saying "congrats you found the one piece now go find the other 99" or some other gag answer

Yet I actually think something like that is going to happen to an extent. A big final battle at Laugh Tale happens and the One Piece is uncovered and it's a total gag prize that absolutely infuriates everyone else present, but Luffy and his crew laughs just like Roger did and takes it in stride. It winds up being a secret test of character and of course there's an actual legit treasure there too since Oda himself said it wouldn't be fair to not give them a reward after all this.

The moment we got that panel of Roger and his crew laughing at whatever Joy Boy left I had the notion that Oda is going to pull the biggest jebait possible just to mess with us one last time at the end

[steady dust]

I dont know
Lots of time we were told there is an actual treasure in Laugh Tale
Gold and all those shiny things

I do believe there will be more stuff, and some of them may be quite silly, but I feel that at least some part of the One Piece is regular treasure

[rotund ibex]

Oh absolutely, I'm not denying that

I'm just saying for that initial "WHAM" reveal, it's going to be a joke prize

[normal plume]

i think the 'WHAM' reveal could be that it could be a great prize, but useless if you aren't the right person

or have the right conditions which may be impossible for most

ohh wow kingdom hearts smash reveal background! nice @rotund ibex

[cyan sand]

I've heard of theories involving the shape of jaya but does anyone else think that this looks a little like two creatures facing each other? Wondering if there's significance behind mocktown (against dreams) and south graves (pro dreams) or not

[granite dirge]

Nah, highly doubt it. They probably informed them that he had the Devil Fruit with the possibility of the reincarnation of Joy Boy residing within it.

[wide sail]

either that or teech

[frozen birch]

you think big mom's parents were gov't agents? their dress is v specific, few of the men and the father at least. they got exiled, and left linlin with mother caramel, who they knew about bc of her gov't dealings

[errant rune]

I think the first "JoyBoys" body is the "treasure" that is being kept at Mary Groise, in that frost room where we saw the giant strawhat, Since permafrost can keep bodies in pristine shape even after hundreds of years.
In order bring him back to life you would need the Ope Ope no mi
That's why Doffy said he needed Law's DF to awaken the secret "treasure" of Mary Geoise
I would go as far as to think his body is chopped up and put into the other chambers we see in that room, so you would need to put his body back in ....ONE PIECE...., using the Ope Ope no Mi and then perform the ultimate technique to bring him back to life.
Or maybe use the personality switch, since Doffy put emphasis on it's ability to transplant personalities right after he said he could've used the DF for the secret treasure
(Not saying his Body is the OnePiece , but it might be one of the things which become "One Piece", like the world for example, if the redline gets destroyed etc)

[fathom matrix]

if i recall, one of califa's parents was a goverment agent, even though they "take in orphans" and she didn't know her dad

SOOOOOOOOO, maybe some government official are forced or pushed to perhaps abandom kids?

[errant nova]

I have a theory that Joyboy himself will release me from my shackles and post raws/rough translations tonight

[fervent flax]

Joyboy body. The greatest zombie for our favourite shadowboi

[left marlin]

I wish ur theory come to light

[errant rune]

Maybe that's the reason Blackbeard wanted him

[fervent flax]

And his soul is trapped in the rubber fruit , while his body is hanging out with im. Ope ope no mi is required to transfer his soul back to his body

but.....why would im and the WG would want that? like why would they want joyboy to return?

Law will want to sacrifise himself to transfer joyboy from luffy to his original body. but then brook stops him at the last second , awakening his soul abilities to casually guide joyboy back to his body with music , *cos joyboy is associated with music and parties

Theory 2 disregards everything Luffy is as a character. His dreams and him becoming pirate king is his own. If u take out that core element out of the story. One piece will be bad . Oda is not that bad of a writer

[errant rune]

Delete bro
First part contains some stuff that's not out yet😭

[night lava]

Thats not what i was saying, i said his dreams are to go to adventures and become pirate king

And i said the will of joyboy could be the one influencing luffy to save people in need

[fervent flax]

Yes , u are saving luffy is a good guy bcos of joyboy

[night lava]

Like, almost every arc he saves a kingdom

[fervent flax]

So everything Luffy , the 20 year old char the world know and love , is a fraud . and is actually joyboy's will . it is bad writing if it reveals as such

[night lava]

I mean, its a theory, i could be very wrong

[fervent flax]

ya , i know it's just a theory, i'm looking at it in a story and writing perspective

[night lava]

There

[errant rune]

I did it once and got muted for 3 days

[night lava]

Jesys

[clear kraken]

I think it’s more that it’s luffys own will but embodies joyboys. He becomes joyboy not because of joyboys spirit but because his own is in line with joyboys

[digital crown]

Ye

[nimble schooner]

Hot take:
the ancient civilization that was destroyed by the world government are the origin of devil fruit (obviously)

The fruits were so abundant that literally everyone has one. People in this society are now so diverse because of the fruit powers that there’s no racism. Boom, perfectly harmonized utopia.

World government comes along and likes tasty fruit powers so they invade and wipe them out since those chuds can’t even swim

Ancient society has a secret contingency fruit to help revive their way of life some day in the distant future: joy boy prophecy

[coarse peak]

The void century was 8 centuries ago in OP. 800 years ago irl the crusades happened, maybe there is a connection to OP?

And genghis khan

[warm cave]

Theory of the origin of Devil Fruits :
Millions of Years ago , the Gods and the Devils started a war to conquer each other’s territory , and after a long fight , the Gods have lost. The Devils took their souls and locked them inside capsules ,thus conquering the entire world.

Years Later , the devils started a civil war on each other due to their greedy and selfish thoughts to rule the entire world on their own , all the devils died in that war , leaving only ruins of the devil’s world , and the capsules to lock the souls of the gods are gone missing in different places in the world during the war.

These capsules are now known as the “Devil Fruits” , and whoever ate those capsules will gain the ability of the specific God/Goddess , but come with the price of unable to swim due to the fact that God/Goddess conquer only the sky/air in the past , and the devils conquer the land/sea , when a person with the god’s soul inside them try to swim , where the devil’s energy surrounds them (sea water all around them) , they cant move at all due to their energy being surpassed . The reason that they can still walk on land is that air (a part of the sky) still surrounds them , balancing the energy of the devils around them .

When a devil fruit user dies , the capsule together with the soul of the specific god/goddess will get reform at some place nearby , as the devils have made the capsule unbreakable, forcing the god/goddess to stay in the capsule forever , no matter what happens. Everytime the df’s user dies , the god/goddess will try to escape from the capsule , but wherever they go , the capsule will be around them.

[cerulean thistle]

do you guys think at the end of wano arc, zoro will brought nidai kitetsu along?

[pale laurel]

no, I think it that sword will simply be mentioned in Wano as a kind of world building. Zoro got the Enma sword instead

[cerulean thistle]

Zoro still uses sandai kitetsu tho, and aren't nidai kitetsu far superior than that?

[pale laurel]

the Nidai Kitetsu has a higher grade as far as I am aware, yes. It is possible that Zoro gets it of course, but when I see the Nidai in the story it looks more like an irrelevant reference for the enjoyment of the readers

than something new that Zoro acquires

[fervent flax]

Or zoro could do a real pirate move and steal all the swords when leaving wano

[fast tundra]

Zunesha is here to support onigashima on his/her back

[autumn mulch]

I agree, it is a higher grade sword but Zoros already comfortable with Sandai, and I doubt he is the type of guy to ditch a sword because of things like grades. Although if Sandai breaks somehow, it's pretty likely he'll take it (or maybe even Ame no Habakiri 😉)

[agile tangle]

I wish he would change to the nidai kitetsu though, with three great grade swords his power level will be amazing

[autumn mulch]

Eh isn't the swordsman more important than the sword?

[agile tangle]

Maybe smth to see at eos

[fast tundra]

makes sense to think that the world govt sunk the island into the ocean using the 3 weapons to drown everyone

[agile tangle]

Yea sure but zoro without Enma wouldn't be able to defeat king

[autumn mulch]

True

[agile tangle]

Imagine if he took the shodai kitetsu tho haha

[autumn mulch]

I've heard a theory that it's with the bald gorosei

[agile tangle]

But that isn't possible for now of course, wielding one supreme grade sword is already enough to be powerful but with two other great grade swords? It'll require a lot of power

[autumn mulch]

Aren't enma and wado the same grade? Or is one higher

[agile tangle]

Yea I think that's a popular theory, I've always thought of the gorosei as people with political power rather than battle power

[agile tangle]

Ye they're the same grade but Enma seems to have a special power while wado doesn't? Maybe wado is responsible for asura

[autumn mulch]

Me too, they are stated to be the strongest celestial dragons but that isn't saying much, but some of them seem pretty fit and able to fight, like the bald one with the sword

They may be trained in fighting like the Cipher Pol agents

Maybe once they topple the WG, Zoro will take the sword

[agile tangle]

Yea but as seen with the cipher Pol agents they are powerful but definitely not strong enough to really do much at higher levels

I find it stupid to powerscale characters we don't know much of yet but I think they could be yc level?

[autumn mulch]

Yc?

[agile tangle]

Yonko commander level, honestly powerscaling in one piece is kinda annoying but I think there are four levels: yonko, admiral, yonko commander(yc) and smth I can't remember the last one

[autumn mulch]

No way tbh

[agile tangle]

Yea I can see why

[autumn mulch]

I really don't think they can stand up to the likes of King, Queen, Jack, Marco, Katakuri etc

[agile tangle]

Oh what I thought you were gonna rank them higher

[autumn mulch]

In a 1 v 1

[agile tangle]

Let's carry this convo over to #also-manga

[rotund grail]

^ good call, please keep the talk in this channel serious

see #old-channel-info for more elaboration on that

[lime cape]

You can also bounce it back with the classical awakening theory (transforming everything into rubber)

[idle dew]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKjxZl-mqfQ&ab_channel=GibaroAndSabana

opinions?
honestly this is by far the best OP theory ive ever seen, the original thread is from fucking 2007 and the stuff he's saying are happening today

[pure raven]

it's literally the most blatant example of chekhov's gun in the whole story if you ask me lol

with zoro literally saying he's interested in it

[normal plume]

I think its a really well thought out theory. And its crazy its already almost 10 years since. My only deviance is that it assumes the geography of the current OP world is the same as it was back in the void century and changing that is one of the main political triggers resulting in the ancient kingdoms downfall. But that doesn't explain why the weather in the GL is so horrible, and particularly in the NW. I think another theory is they (ancient kingdom) built the red-line resulting in the current geography to encapsulate the horrible weather in the grandline- as a result of something at Raftel related to the source of devil fruits prisoned beneath it in the sea as the both mixing would have a strong opposing reaction and could be causing all the bad weather. But then again Joyboy's promise to the FMI people which was most probably to bring them up to the surface wouldn't have occurred if the redline was built in the void- as that would assume it has been there.

[idle dew]

good point

[normal plume]

Well its not necessary both are counter to each other though, but it would imply that the bad weather in the grandline and the sea kings imprisonment in the calm belt has been there since before the void century. And this removal is what Imu was opposed to and this liberation Joyboy couldn't do - perhaps something needs to be removed from Laughtale so that the calm belt and the red line being destroyed doesn't send horrible weather to the rest of the seas/blues. Its probably not as simple as simply crushing the red-line. Pluton can do that after the weather situation is dealt with, because currently if it was destroyed won't the strong magnetic fields encased in the GL travel to the rest of the seas, thats why that needs to be dealt with first. Its even more likely this is the case as two conditions need to be met so far as we know: Poseidon and Joyboy. Joyboy wouldn't have apologized if say Poseidon at that time was dead and the missing factor, there's something related to the weather component that needs to be cleared that I think only Joyboy can do (anyone can use Pluton..probably) or who inherited his will can do before the redline can be destroyed.

[normal plume]

its overrr poor Zunisha

[open bane]

I have theory that gecko moria is the shadow of imu

[fathom matrix]

What if after the battle with Rocks, everyone just scatters and runs to every ship they can, and whatever was left, Roger and his crew got to raid?

AND SOOOO, after the battle, they go over and investigate, and what do they find? Baby shanks.

Roger suggests that one of the crew members or Rocks had a kid with some broad and got stuck with it.

Hiding it from Garp, he took Shanks on his ship and he was raised by the crew.

ALSO, Roger's not unwlecoming to babies and kids on the crew, AND, not to mention, Shanks is 39 and the Rocks battle was 38 years ago, so Shanks would have been 1.

Heck, I can imagine we discover more about Shanks in one of the next arcs.

We find out Shanks was told he was Xebec's son, but Shanks (reflecting Luffy) doesn't care, and says that blood doesn't matter.

[vague rover]

That can be entirely true. It's not a fact that bloodline makes you powerful in OP, but there are cases like Monkey family, big mom family.
Also it was mentioned that Buggy and Shanks had the same potential, but to fulfill the potential you have to have a great mindset. Buggy and Shanks both had influence of Roger pirates, but Shanks maybe had his father's that is Xebec's traits too that made him a Yonko

[fathom matrix]

hell

Dragon is the most wanted man in the world, but wanted doesn't = power overall.

Luffy could be stronger than Dragon

[vague rover]

Garp knocked marco in marineford. But keeping that aside, and see only the conqueror mentality that maybe was passed as a trait to shanks from xebec

[mellow berry]

Blackbeard (Xebec) summarized:

[frail rune]

https://postimg.cc/gallery/xMgpgKF

Did the CP-0 guy transfer himself to another CP-0 body. He is doing the same gesture.

Or am I missing something from those images?

[fickle garnet]

every time i see the jaya left eye theory they never bring up the fact that Rayleigh, nicknamed the Dark King, is one of the only characters in one piece to have a scar on his right eye. I often see people point out that Luffy, Zoro, Kidd, Shanks, etc have scars on their left eye and how the 'dawn of the world' has a connection to the missing eye in Jaya/Skypiea, but no one mentions Rayleigh's seemingly random nickname. Obviously a name like 'Dark King' could just be seen as Rayleigh's equivalent to Straw Hat, Pirate Hunter, Black Leg, etc but he has no trait that shows darkness. Also as far as we know he doesn't have a devil fruit power that would suggest darkness, as the only option would be Blackbeard's Yami Yami no Mi, which is impossible for Rayleigh to have for obvious reasons. Also, considering the theory of the missing eye of Jaya to be the Darkness and the gold city of Shandora in the right as the Light, Rayleigh being the Dark King makes even more sense, as it would suggest that Roger was the Pirate King, as the left eye, and Rayleigh taking the right eye as the Dark King.

[pure raven]

Anyone has a theory about the misterious Egg found on the Oro Jackson ?

[torn crypt]

rayleigh doesnt have a devil fruit, we saw him swim across the calm belt before

i think dark king is just parallel to roger same with zoro and luffy, roger is the king and rayleigh is his right hand

[paper void]

anyone have theories about the giant straw hat in reverie?

[tulip cypress]

Its joyboys straw hat needed for something important prob idk

[paper void]

you think joyboy was a giant?

[normal plume]

I'll repost a post I posted for why I think joyboy is/was a giant

1. the large SH locked in the vault in Reverie that Imu has some connection with so its likely from Joyboy's time where Imu is probably also from
2. the apology to FMI from Joyboy and Noah there. I think Joyboy built Noah and coated it himself or with other giants to get the FMI citizens to the surface- how else can it be built unless a giant or a team of giants built it. But for whatever reason he couldn't keep his promise to take them all up so carved his apology to them on a poneglyph in stead
3. this is a weaker argument but the connection with Zunisha an ancient who Joyboy came across when Zunisha was a baby and Zunisha may have become like Joyboys pet- him as a baby would maybe a good size for a giants pet. I think even among the giants Joyboy may have been quite huge. Also lifespan wise they are both ancient and would live several centuries so they probably knew each other almost a century or so. At any rate their connection is clear- Joyboy being a giant is not necessary but would just be appropriate given their sizes and lifespans

4. Giants are allies to the ancient kingdom, and based on how the information is slowly unraveling as we get deeper in the NW, the next stop Elbalf will probably drop big hints as to who Joyboy was. Not only because its one of the last arcs but also because of the lifespan for giants- its not such distant past for them the void century. We haven't linked Joyboy to FMI, or Wano, or any skyisland- given the other supports I think it will be revealed he was a hero of the giants.
5. Zunisha coming to Wano I would argue may also be indicative of Joyboy being a giant. As Zunisha can listen to certain people from the Kozuki lineage going back to the void century and we know Wano and Elbalf were allied to the ancient kingdom. likely Joyboy (from Elbalf) and a Kozuki ancestor were close friends before the void and when Zunisha was a baby. So him coming now to help Momo may somewhat also be indicative of his past and Joyboys relations and origins
   seperately the supports aren't that strong but they build a plausible argument in combination

we're about to find out, real soon!

[tulip cypress]

I mean its possible

[paper void]

yeah thats really solid I would suppose joyboy is a giant aswell now

[pure raven]

It's possible but I don't get why there is a big straw hat and a small one originally wear by Roger, from east blue.

in case anyone's interested in making a case for carrot joining as a happy and energetic lookout I compiled the possible foreshadowing for the lookout position (and one page for jimbe as the helmsman bc why not). Especially important are the panels with Nico Robin

https://imgur.com/a/QxP12Qk

[fickle garnet]

oh yeah i forgot about that

[cosmic robin]

[molten lotus]

Same way people from orange town were wearing straw hats after Luffy saved them. It may have been an icon of his

[pure raven]

It's true that carrot has had good moment in WCI but ever since she's kinda been put on the backburner especially in wano

[grizzled fog]

Uh yea he’s just showing his respects to his comrade there. No body switching involved

It seems like he sensed that his fellow agent was beaten by kaido

[fervent flax]

Dark king is just his epithet , most probably alluding to his shady past or his cruel nature in combat during younger days.
It just sounds cool . Zoro's epithet is Pirate hunter , but Zoro is not a bounty hunter who hunts pirate anymore etc

[fervent flax]

Sometimes i forgot she's in the story. I hope Oda clarify and end this debate soon. I'm sick of hearing Carrot will join ! Carrot won't join posts

[untold flicker]

I think he's the only one with a scar on right eye.

[celest swan]

Ooh nice and I didn’t know you where in this Server, I follow you on Twitter and I love your art!

[fathom matrix]

Ey thanks ; )

[rotund ibex]

Soon

[fickle garnet]

the difference i feel is that 'Pirate Hunter' is more of a job than 'Dark King'. I think he has he only nickname/title in the story that isn't based on a visual thing (straw hat, black leg) or a past or present occupation (cat burglar, pirate hunter)

[fervent flax]

how do people know their epithet anyway , it's not in the bounty poster

[junior cape]

What likely happens is the bounty gets established, then the newsies make up the epithet as events unfold around them, or it's especially obvious from the start.

Like, before he was well known as a pirate, Zolo was already known as "Pirate Hunter", just from his deeds alone.

Luffy's epithet is "Straw Hat" because he's always wearing his Straw Hat. Usopp wasn't known by any special name other than Sogeking until Dressrosa, where he was renamed "God" Usopp due to the underground port incident.

It's all about getting a name out into the world, then getting people to use it. Usopp became "God" because he freed all the toy slaves, and they saw him as a holy figure for it. Once that happened, he had a willing army of ruthless vagabonds running around screaming about him AS GOD.

And from there, it's especially easy for the newsies to run with it.

[hearty fossil]

what do we think luffys true dream is

[supple anchor]

throw a huge party

[hearty fossil]

ugh i hate that theory i think its so boring

i feel like it could be so much more yknow

[supple anchor]

he said it when he was like 8 years old lol, i dont think its anything super complex

[hearty fossil]

i think everyone elses reactions dont make sense if he just said he wanted to throw a party

[pure raven]

Have a fun adventure then a party. He doesn’t have a complex dream it’s luffy

[hearty fossil]

i dont think its complex i just think the theories are too tame for the reactions ppl had to it

[pure raven]

I’m sure by the end he’s going to do more than that but for a goal I think that’s it.

Maybe take down the wg so everyone can have freedom. Liberate the world idk

[supple anchor]

it makes sense because hes always been vocal about being the king of the pirates but his goal has never been to conquer anything or to be the most powerful, its to be the most free. luffy wants the pure pirate life, adventures, fighting, and then a huuuuuuge party. a party with everyone in the world sounds pretty ridiculous and it can account for people's reactions

[vast wigeon]

That chapter was so good I'm crying dog 😭

[pure raven]

Maybe the redline destruction theory.

[hearty fossil]

yamato crying to that is strange

[supple anchor]

yamato been trapped on an island for their whole life, attending a party with people from all over the world would be pretty overwhelming

[dry kindle]

Absolutely Ridiculous chapter

[supple anchor]

also luffy has been pretty focused on getting a cook and a musician from the beginning of the story, cant have a good party without good music and food

[hearty fossil]

i dont think he was crying out of how overwhelmed he was he cried cause roger said the same thing in odens journal and was relieved people like that were still around and was crying from admration and stuff

[sinful linden]

Since zoan fruits have minds of their own, can they reject the one who tries to eat them or what?

[empty linden]

Willie Gallon (ウィリー゠ガロン) was quoted in Vol. 24 Chapter 218 (p. 14-15) that "Anything that man can imagine is a possibility in reality".
He is quoted by the narrator when the Straw Hat Pirates encountered a huge ship falling from the sky after they left from Arabasta.

I am fairly sure he studied Nika fruit or at least witness it's power before.

[supple anchor]

nah i dont think so, i think they just affect the mind of the person who eats it. like chopper who became more human like

and it seems luffy was affected to be more like nika

[uncut delta]

Bro I think this theory is actually closer to the truth than we think. Nika being the fruit itself puts devil fruits as a whole into perspective.

[supple anchor]

well we really don't know why yamato was crying. i cant speak to the reason for it more than anyone else can. i cant think of anything more convincing that a child who knows nothing about the sea would know

[ionic briar]

Kind of confused, gomu gomu no mi is nika nika no mi right? so nika nika no mi is a zoan fruit which is model of a sun god? but then how can it stretch? is the rubber power also another power of nika nika no mi?

[brisk mirage]

Eat the biggest piece of meat

[faint tendon]

Along with that, I wonder what the other 2 forms are since zoans have multiple forms

[sturdy sinew]

Can we get a zoro arc after this or nah?

[ionic briar]

and was usopp's lies coming to truth actually a foreshadowing of the nika nika no mi's true power of anything it can imagine be true?

[tranquil saffron]

no

[faint tendon]

Then what is wano bruh

[sturdy sinew]

I mean like sanji tho

It's not focus on zoro lol

[hidden prism]

this was shot down at the time.... lol

[high portal]

bro everyone thought that

[digital epoch]

My take on this is that Luffy's fruit is pretty much giving him the powers that Nika had
And Nika had a rubber body and the more complex power of changing his own shape (and maybe some stuff with fire/light/heat to explain Red attacks and steam from the Gears)
and Luffy awakening this is him being able to change the shape of his surroundings

[hidden prism]

well almost a year ago today, it was not met with agreeance

[ionic briar]

Hmm... that actually makes a bit of sense

[digital epoch]

So the Nika fruit is pretty much just a way for Oda to give Luffy a really complex and multifaceted power without having to oversimplify it to a one-syllable word

[high portal]

ever since whos who plot dump we knew the fruit had some importance

[ionic briar]

what about this though, opinions?

[pulsar rose]

Am I the only one who instantly thought of The Mask this chapter? Knowing Oda’s inspiration with western cartoons, might not be a coincidence I think.

[mellow basalt]

mf really saved his whole thing to say I told you so 😭

[hidden prism]

I used the search function lol

[digital epoch]

Ok I might just be abusing Copium here, but I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of fruits were actually mythical Hito Hito models of entities/gods/creatures/figures that we don't have in real life culture

[sturdy sinew]

Really curious about zoro now hahaha

[autumn ravine]

Yeah I was wondering a couple days how many theories got shot down because people didn't believe them but it turned out to be true lol

[high portal]

bruh this chapter legit be a whole ass Tom and Jerry episode

[pure raven]

Luffy solos goku verse

[digital epoch]

I do think it's kind of a weird reveal, going from "Luffy has the powers of rubber!" to "Luffy has the powers of another guy who had the powers of rubber (and some other things)

[limpid gulch]

toonforce > all

[sturdy sinew]

I wonder if the old user had the same technique

[high portal]

but yea now the cat's out of the bag, we don't know what normal fruit could be just a mythical zoan

[hidden prism]

I would like to think that Oda isn't so cheesy that he is going to start retconning everyones fruits as mythical zoans

[ionic briar]

god roblox one piece games using gum fruits have to change this whole thing-

[autumn ravine]

It definitely opened the theory floodgate tho

[ionic briar]

yeah, def only luffy's

[sturdy sinew]

About blackbeard next haha

[gusty nova]

IKR LOL

[stark sparrow]

i think luffy could've went gear 5 in skypiea

[paper nexus]

so is the reason on why he keeps attracting people to be his allies due to the fruit or is it just luffy being luffy

[oblique onyx]

Both

[stark sparrow]

cause from this chapter we saw that luffy had to literally die and had his heartbeat stop in order to reaweaken

[ionic briar]

wait... now we all know gear 5 exists and it's no longer a hoax.. right?

[paper nexus]

yeah its official now

[stark sparrow]

so if someone just impact dialed him in skypiea he would have reaweakened

[hidden prism]

Gear 5, Gomu awakening and Luffy Joyboy connection are apparently all the same thing and just dumped in our laps all at once lol

[paper nexus]

imagine if he awakened in the middle of marineford

[ionic briar]

nah, ppl did use impact dialed him but it wasn't enough

[normal plume]

I cannot believe how perfectly this chapter had been predicted, and it’s becuase Oda had set this build up perfectly if only you could see it

[brittle orbit]

This opens a whole gate of possible moves now for Luffy if he can man handle kaido, what could he do to big mom

[ionic briar]

Coulda been a good time to end the whole series if that happened xD

[hidden prism]

Ends up Shanks doesn't even like Luffy, he was just like "well played you little shit, you ate the liberatory god fruit"

[stark sparrow]

i guess usopp in water 7 but i do think luffy gained some durability between that and skypiea, not to mention usopp's impact dial is not that strong

[unborn walrus]

Where the Popeyes move lists

[paper nexus]

yeah i guess t he reason shanks was there is to give it to ace

[gusty nova]

well, we still don't know if big mom's still alive, ik she said that something like that wouldn't kill her but i think she's in a pretty bad spot

[paper nexus]

but luffy accidentally ate it

[ionic briar]

no but the real question is about usopp, was that was his lies a foreshadowing to luffy's new power?

[crimson citrus]

I was confused about that as well. Is that another character or both CP-0?

[upbeat latch]

Sun God Nika is probably just a title they attributed to the devil fruit since cartoons don't actually exist in the One Piece world

[high portal]

I wonder if Gear 5 is like some kind of possessing of the body or just a power increase though, like someone said before it seem that Luffy literally had to die to awaken this fruit so unless Luffy can master this gear somehow I dunno how he'll just casually activate it in battle like gear 2, 3, and 4

[stark sparrow]

also cp0 agent confirmed to be dead, salute the brave man and he acc died

[paper nexus]

its the different guy

[sick adder]

ay congrats to some of the theories I saw y'all hit the nail on the head

[high portal]

and what would gear 5's drawback be though??

[stark sparrow]

u become too goofy

[paper nexus]

mfer got the worst boss ever

[hidden prism]

I bet Jinbei... who was the captain of a pirate crew called "The Sun Pirates" is going to feel pretty fucking vindicated that his new captain is the namesake of his old crew

[gusty nova]

im pretty sure its a powerup, bc he said that gear 5 is his peak

[brittle orbit]

She will prob pop out in a state of confusion of what’s happening and who knows what she’ll do

[ruby hemlock]

Can someone explain why gomu-gomu is human-human?

Gomu means rubber right?

[high portal]

I'd just wonder how Luffy would in the future activate gear 5 outside of like the strawhats beating luffy to death before a fight lol

[gusty nova]

we still don't know, all that the government said was that they used that name to cover up the mythical zoan

[stark sparrow]

also gear 5 makes so much sense in wano after all the first intro to wano is the octopus with drums and the wano theme which has a lot of drums in its composition. so the fact that gear 5 (drum playing warrior of liberation) is aweakened in wano is fitting

[novel scroll]

The fact that Kaido also turns goofy and cartoony might be the effect of Luffy's awakening.

[hidden prism]

I remember people talking about how Fisher Tiger named the sun pirates after Nika

[stuck fable]

i like the goofiness to his new form and how his eyes pop out and he is always laughing

[paper nexus]

ya

[snow herald]

I think DFs are man made since the WG was able to 'change' the name of luffys fruit and have people 'fooled' for like 800 years.
The process to create them a new is lost but Vegapunk is the closest to discovering the process 100%.

[stuck fable]

100%

[paper nexus]

maybe lunarians were involved with the creation of devil fruits

[high portal]

but yea gears 2, 3, and 4 had some pretty detrimental drawbacks to them initially (and even now) so I'm scared to think of what the after effects of gear 5 would be

[hushed zenith]

will luffy be able to tap to his new gear 5 everytime now? i hope theres a catch that he wont be able to activate it like gear 2nd to 4th at will. if he can then where do we go from here?

[hidden prism]

seems like this person really really nailed it

https://shonendaily.com/one-piece-theory-sun-god-nika-luffy-and-joy-boys-relation

[ionic briar]

but it's also possible that some fruits are natural like luffy's fruit, and maybe it isn't even devil fruits, but there's something else that they call it?

[paper nexus]

i mean isnt it a zoan ability? i think he can just normally tap into it without drawbacks like marco or sengoku does

[novel scroll]

Remember, Shanks stays in Foosha village for a long time, but they left immediately after Luffy ate the fruit.
They know exactly what they're doing

[gusty nova]

maybe when he's in the brink of death, like almost all the awakenings we've seen

[blazing oracle]

maybe kaido will awaken too

[ember wigeon]

OMG 1044 is released yay

[high portal]

I mean the manga just flat out spelled it out for us "gear 5"

[paper nexus]

kaido has probably already awakened it

[hidden prism]

No way Kaido is still going to get a powerup

[empty linden]

That sad bro. But rejoice because ODA always win!

[ionic briar]

still possible because... well, it's Oda

[high portal]

gear 5's drawbacks HAS to be like horrific since Luffy had to straight up die to even activate this power

[zealous surge]

chptr 1044 already released?

[hidden prism]

that is definitely not confirmed

[paper nexus]

yea #announcements

[empty linden]

GOMU GOMU is 5656.. Maybe that's the amount of time he can die

[blazing oracle]

well every villain should have their super last move

[potent tulip]

HOLY SHIT MY FRIEND JUST CRACKED THE CODE LUFFY SUN GOD BLACKBEARD IS GOD OF DARKNESS HOLY SHIT

[ruby hemlock]

Gear 5. Super Saiyan luffy.

[high portal]

well if not died, got pretty close to death, after all his heart is acting pretty funky right now, all the cholesterol in his blood is finally catching up to him

[paper nexus]

its kinda weird on how the condition was to die, is that how it worked for the other mythical zoan users?

[ionic briar]

imagine tho? luffy's actually a saiyan??

[velvet wasp]

Why did the Gorosei not kill Luffy as soon as they learned about him at 30 million

[snow herald]

Na I think, DFs are man made, they somehow involve fusing the essence/will/soul/spirit of something into an ordinary fruit and thus giving the eater the abilities of that concept. Nika was 'God' all about freedom and stuff, he probably fused the properties of rubber into a fruit and ate it. giving him the powers of rubber to use as his own. and thus calling it the nika fruit.

[gusty nova]

well we don't know that yet, we haven't seen zoan and logia's awakenings yet

[empty linden]

Hahaha blackbeard is a BLACKHOLE GOD?

[paper nexus]

yeah thats the weird part, they shoulve assassinated him the moment shanks left, either they only knew about it after shanks went to marijois or want to see it awaken

[high portal]

well this is a confirmed gear, and as far as I know gears have drawbacks

[supple crater]

probably cause its a god type zoan?

[flat tusk]

while reading the chapter, i noticed something fishy. Like how luffy said that his heartbeat is kinda funny and he thinks he can fight a little longer

[hidden prism]

Blackbeard + Luffy = Blackhole Sun.... Soundgarden = Imu-sama confirmed?

[ruby hemlock]

Its like saitama face with blazing hair. Lol

[snow herald]

If you think about it, this can be done with all current DF abilities

[gusty nova]

maybe because they thought that he would get killed before awakening it

[paper nexus]

probably? also would sengoku's buddha zoan fruit also count as a 'god' model

[high portal]

oh shit someone brought up a good ass point, why didn't the gorosei just flip out when they first saw Luffy getting headlines

[hidden prism]

probably the same reason cp9 didn't use Haki

[empty linden]

They only knew of the connection after SHANK BETRAYED LUFFY! SHANK IS THE FINAL VILLIAN

[snow herald]

800 years ago, someone was obsessed or interested in jackets and thought, hey I'll make a jacket fruit. Putting the essence/will/breath of a jacket into a fruit

[ionic briar]

Probably did but he probably just thought it was just a rookie

[pure raven]

hol up

[flat tusk]

I think they need his df to be awakened. That’s why they’re not making a move until they met with Shanks

[dire obsidian]

If the powers of god isn’t the one piece then what is

[paper nexus]

yeah they probably were waiting for it to be awakened

[flat tusk]

That’s why they sacrificed their agent. And saying that is it really worth angering kaido over it

[hidden prism]

The Gorosei were probably waiting for ||Oda to come up with the plot||

[gusty nova]

there must be a reason why, im pretty sure the government didn't knew a lot about luffy's powers overall, maybe that's why they didn't said anything
they started to consider him as a threat after WCI

[zinc coral]

They probs didn’t think Luffy was gonna go as far as he did

[hidden prism]

If they didn't know, they weren't paying attention... my dude shouts "Gomu Gomu" before he does any action

[gusty nova]

i think the same

[paper nexus]

i dont think so, those fuckers are so cautious they straight up checked every pregnant mothers in the island rogue was in

[daring roost]

I wonder if this works to explain why luffy didn't shrink anymore after using 3rd gear

[flat tusk]

It has something to do with the two year timeskip

[quiet egret]

the Goriseis also have their theory theory no mi

[normal plume]

I think for them it wasn't confirmed that that was the legendary fruit until Zunisha even started altering course?

[high portal]

god I have to read back when did the Gorosei know Luffy had the fruit

[paper nexus]

they wouldnt give someone who has a dangerous ability a breather

[uneven sequoia]

Most probably they didn't know about their rubber power

[tepid coral]

!theories

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using #manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description.

[supple crater]

admirals probably didn't know about Sun God Nika Devil Fruit
and im 50% sure the world government just learnt about luffy having that devil fruit because of shanks

[flat tusk]

Or back when Shanks met with them

[hidden prism]

I wonder if Rayleigh knows

[gusty nova]

remember the reverie? that scene with the mysterious guy? i think that's where they knew about luffy's df

[tepid coral]

THIS IS A CHANNEL FOR DISCUSSION OF LENGTHY AND SERIOUS THEORIES AND NOT FOR CHIT CHAT, PLS MOVE ON TO #manga OR #also-manga FOR THAT

[paper nexus]

yea only WG high ranks if they did knew they woulve targeted luffy even before his father's reveal

[normal plume]

If Luffy's the first to have the fruit since the void it means that it was probably on Laughtale since Roger is the first to reach it. Which means he must've given it to Shanks entrusting him with the task of looking for someone some 20 years from now to give it to

[tepid coral]

PLS REFER TO THE ABOVE MESSAGE

[hidden prism]

who are you talking to

[tepid coral]

TO YOU ALL

[paper nexus]

YEAH this actually makes the most sense lol

[supple crater]

yep

[zinc coral]

It def was, cuz Shanks crew stole it from them

[ripe void]

The fruit was stolen by shanks from a cp0 ship lol what r u talking about

[flat tusk]

Exactly. Plus we don’t exactly know the time line.

[normal plume]

is this true?

[zinc coral]

Yes lol

[flat tusk]

Who’s who and Jinbe fight

[paper nexus]

oh yeah i forgot about that, thats why who's who was punished

[tepid coral]

!theories

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using #manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description.

[ripe void]

And the gorosei say that the fruit has been evading like it has been always in reach but then it escapes. Not that it was hidden for 800 years

[abstract snow]

Do y'all not read the manga or what ?

[high portal]

bruh who's writing the joke theories I see people just talking

[hidden prism]

yeah only spam I see is... well...

[flat tusk]

Maybe this falls under the “casual chit chat”

[tepid coral]

This channel is not for casual chit chat we have #manga and #also-manga for that

[hollow shuttle]

WTF(this chapter man)

[normal plume]

yes but the breaks make it so long so I forget sometimes. I wonder why CP0 had it now and how they acquired it at this time and if Shanks then knew or didn't

[pure raven]

Luffy is going to take 3 minute take down kaido

[paper nexus]

its also kind of funny on how kaido's quote was 'Death is what completes a person!' guy was warning us