manga-theories

[pure raven]

yeah but death trumps everything

[stiff patrol]

And the dynamic between her and luffy is crazy, what will probally happen is yamato and momonuske go to travel with luffy (yamato joining perma and momonosuke getting more experience before becoming the leader of wano), leaving the akaza 9 to lead wano in the meantime

[pure raven]

doubt it

[stiff patrol]

Bro there is literally no way she dies in the arc she is introduced, if this arc is mimicking thriller bark in parallels she will be on the brink of death

[pure raven]

parallels =/= copies necessarily

Yamato also has parallels to Okiyo from Momotaro, Ace and Oden, yet you think she isn't dying. It's just speculation

[stiff patrol]

She has become far too much of a popular and beloved character, and as shown by the momotaro tale she will get to the rooftop with momonsuke and marco to help luffy stop kaido

[reef sandal]

if yamato is trying to be like oden she wouldn't join the strawhats permanently

[split glacier]

There's really nothing to say that he's peaceful. Dude fell in love instantly and disregarded murder just for that. He's the Prince, I doubt anyone's word matters in the end but his. Replacing Chif for Lola was just a dumb idea from the start anyways. Of course he's gonna notice who he fell in love with. But I guess it's whichever way you want to view the particulars.

[split glacier]

Depends what you read. They just said she's got bigger and she's freaking huge. The size just looks different to me from Ussop next to the giants and Law/Kidd next to BM. Awakening for Kaido might make him bigger but Zoans in general make you bigger when you transform and that's happened already. The jailers weren't anything crazy big, slightly taller Jinbei. But again there's we don't know the full effects. Just seems a bit out there for them more than doubling their size.

[pure raven]

I have a similar but slightly different interpretation/headcanon. I don't think there would be intention to groom Tama as a moon princess, but this:

So Sukiyaki is betrayed, the Kurozumi believe they have left him for dead, but he is alive. He goes to the basement and takes all the treasures he can get in a hurry:

• Tsuki Tsuki no Mi
• Inu Inu no Mi: model Tanuki
• Inu Inu no Mi: model Ookuchi no Makami
• Nidai Kitetsu
• his other named sword
• whatever else

In the process he couldn't carry the Ookuchi no Makami fruit for one reason or another.

He kept the treasure, just as he kept Ame no Habakiri and Enma, and lived by his swordsmith name Tenguyama Hitetsu.

Not long ago, he finds Tama as just another kid abandoned and starving. He brings her in but can't really feed her because he himself has no food. So he just gives her the fruit.

That's when he goes to cook the Inu Inu no Mi: Tanuki in the teapot, but the heat fused the fruit with the teapot, creating Bunpuku. Tama ate the Tsuki Tsuki then.

[edgy viper]

Sukiyaki giving Tama the fruit so she wouldn't starve is certainly a possibility. A flashback of Hitetsu debating himself over whether to feed a national treasure to a commoner or to let an innocent child die would also give his character some of the depth he was, imo, lacking in Oden's flashback.

But I don't think I quite understand where you're going with the tanuki fruit
You mean Sukiyaki wanted to feed the Tanuki fruit to Tama, tried to boil it in a teapot but accidentally infused said teapot with the fruit?

[pure raven]

yeah, I don't think Vegapunk visited Hitetsu to turn his beloved teapot into a tanuki, so the other possibility was that it was an accident

[edgy viper]

Lmao would be hilarious tho
But why would Sukiyaki try to cook the fruit in the first place? Given he's one of the only people in Wano to know what Devil's Fruits are, he should know cooking it doesn't do anything

Maybe he tried to improve the taste or give Tama a warm meal at least, I could see that

[pure raven]

yeah I was thinking that too, I was arriving at the conclusion before getting to imagine how it'd go...

[pure raven]

ohhh a warm meal works

[edgy viper]

Would still taste like a garbage dump I guess
What I could see is that the teapot "ate" the Tanuki fruit before Sukiyaki even met Tama, leaving only the Tsuki Tsuki no Mi
Given what we know about combining objects with fruits thus far I can't really imagine doing it on accident, it seems you need some kind of scientific prowess. Otherwise, people like the Vinsmokes should've figured it out a while ago I think

[stiff patrol]

There has to be some huge ass foreshadowing here

[reef sandal]

since we do know there's government influence in wano now, it's possible there was before and the teapot was a demonstration in a bargaining attempt

if you let us get in your country, we'll give you this technology and here we'll prove you it works

[amber oar]

I've started to think the Voice of all Things is the observation equivalent of CoCting... let's see if it's true

[stiff patrol]

Also I was re reading from chapter 1000, really curious why kaido is so insistent about wano remaining closed

[reef sandal]

if it's open then people can come in and teach people about the outside world, possibly inciting revolution

[stiff patrol]

Finally this was when luffy lost to kaido and got thrown into the sea, how did we not see this earlier on

[reef sandal]

what is the "this" that we haven't seen earlier on

[stiff patrol]

Like istg I feel like I missed so many obvious foreshadowing hinting in previous chapters

[stiff patrol]

Kaidos ambition to be joy boy, that was also shown in the kaido and king flashback recently

[sand sail]

Kaido in the King flashback was shown as pretty explicitly not having that ambition though

[reef sandal]

that doesn't seem foreshadowed in any but the last panel
also that

[pure raven]

Could it be these voices from sea kings ?

[reef sandal]

no, he's referring to the voices of kaido and luffy

[muted ember]

She looks at least double the size here to me

Kid and Law are in the panels for comparison

[white basin]

shes bigger but Oda is unreliable with size comparison

[muted ember]

I think Kaido actually wants to open Wano but only for pirates

[last halo]

Lowkey I’d be down for Luffy to secretly have a mythical zoan if only to avoid Rubber World awakening

[reef sandal]

rubber world would be better writing than mythical zoan given the thoughts we've gotten from oda on it

[echo bison]

Mythical zoan wouldn’t even make sense for rubber

[modest skiff]

We have absolutely zero reason to think Luffy has a mythical zoan. Not even a single shred of evidence. All of the zoan theories posted here ignore the fact that he is elastic, his most prominent quality.

[muted ember]

I think he's going to turn into a giant, but someone pointed out he also shrinks so that could be part of it too

[pure raven]

Im wondering how did luffy told him he is alive and will return to fight because i dont think he knows momo can listen him like that

[muted ember]

It was the voice of all things. Luffy knows Momo has it from when they both heard Zunesha

[ancient vault]

Well he does know. But he priobably used it instinctively

[muted ember]

The bigger problem is that he was unconscious, and Law's crew heard it too

[modest skiff]

My headcanon is that Luffy instinctively used VOAT a smidge more than instinctively. I think VOAT is able to sense potential connections. I think Luffy reached and found Momo

I think this is the same mechanism the "special" Seakings use to communicate

I haven't quite pieced together how I think they are all related, but I do think the special seakings are using the same thing Luffy/Momo used to communicate

[reef sandal]

i think it's also a possibility that he was just internally screaming his determination

[modest skiff]

Which chapter was it? Makes sense to review panels

[reef sandal]

lemme see if i can find rq

[modest skiff]

1015

[muted ember]

What about Law's crew?

[modest skiff]

This is specific instructions, not just yelling his intentions

[reef sandal]

ok yeah he named momo which means he's at least somewhat aware of the connection being made

[modest skiff]

I have no explanation for that, since Luffy specifically calls out to Momo rather than everyone. Headcanon for me was that Law's submarine has sonar technology which was able to pick up Luffy's communication protocol

[reef sandal]

idk about that since it would imply that the voice of all things is real sound

[muted ember]

That could make sense I just wish his crew said something along those lines, maybe later

[modest skiff]

It could be a frequency range no one else can hear. Momo grips his ears when it overwhelms him

That would be consistent with Law sub picking it up and Momo feeling physical pain

[reef sandal]

the ear gripping could just be reflexive but i get what you mean

[modest skiff]

it could, but its the only thing that checks both "sub" and "momo" boxes

[reef sandal]

yeah

or at least the simplest thing

hmm
does apoo's fruit offer the ability to detect sound more accurately? because if so then apoo could simulate the voice of all things without innate talent with it

[modest skiff]

We have no indication he hears anything any differently

[reef sandal]

it would certainly be helpful to the primary ability of the fruit tho

[vestal orbit]

zkl

[stiff patrol]

Oh my god this is the worst theory I have ever heard, you seem to think he is going to laugh tale in the next arc, that elbaph is the final island in the grand line, that Mihawk is gonna be in elbaph, that kid and law are gonna become emperors before luffy, that shanks is gonna stab luffy in the back and then luffy would emotionally cry?, that blackbeard would find the one piece before luffy and that zoro betrays luffy. Plus there wasn’t a single full stop there. I am so glad you don’t write one piece man….

You also thank that even though laugh tale is the next arc they won’t find the one piece till after Elbaph oh my god man

[wide raven]

thank you for ur honesty plus i was cba for punctuation

i wasnt thinking i was spitting whatever came into my mind

[stiff patrol]

Yeah I’m sorry but that’s gotta be the worst theory I have ever heard..:………. I’m all for evil shanks but the story will never go like that…..

[wide raven]

i think that shanks if shanks is protecting elbaf that would be a nice setup

cause then luffy could get to meat shanks like oda said and then mihak might just turn up and then zoro vs mihak

thats just the way i like to think and i hope it goes that way

[modest ember]

why do people call it elbaph

hpable

[muted ember]

@agile tangle U were the one who tagged me about my theory right?

[pastel prism]

Zoro vs mihawk in elbaf?

Nah

[gray creek]

Idk what kind of whack post you’re replying to. However, BB beating Luffy to the one piece is something I’d put money on

[surreal harness]

Monkey king fruit?

[modest crane]

Lmao imagine his gears are hybrid forms thatd be so stupid lol

[modest skiff]

Is a monkey king stretchable like rubber? If not, I’m not seeing it

[reef sandal]

monkey king's personal abilities are duplication by plucking out his hairs and flight on a cloud
also like
transforming into other things

[amber oar]

So, another shapeshifter. Nah it ain't it chief

The only positive about the sun wukong theory is that people shut up about the oil theory

[reef sandal]

so true

[sand sail]

It's almost like he's attained literally the highest position of power possible for a pirate

CP0 was in Wano because they already had history and dealings with Kaido, it had nothing to do with Shanks or Luffy

They went to kill Who's Who, but also because they were doing actual business with Orochi. The reason would be because CP0 would be the only government group or power that could actually enter Wano in order to do anything at all. They'd also be the only ones who would have any concern about it, Who's Who was a CP9 agent, obviously the highest Cipher Pol unit would be the ones who'd need to take care of him

[slim moat]

Mink medicine might be related to steroids we seen in FMI arc.

[rare drum]

The fight with luffy and kaido will most likely be over with kaido lose. But the fight of big mom vs kidd and law is the most uncertain. How about law performs the immortal operation on kid and he then defeat big mom , kid also has a great awakening ability

[timber silo]

thing is law wouldn't do that

[torpid mist]

So gomu gomu.. Flip some letters around is mogu mogu, which Is the sound of chewing in Japanese. Just puttin that out there as a possibility that luffy has some kind of chewing based fruit lel

[slim moat]

Why do you want Law to die?

imo Luffy getting executed like Gold Roger and Law doing immortal surgery is like worst theories but some how more popular. It doesn't make sense to me at least. Add redline destruction to the list.

[cunning holly]

Gomu-Gomu no mi is devil fruit of unspoken potential. The power to stretch does not only effect the user's body, but also the user's soul. What if the luffy's devil fruit will allow for a storage of multiple fruits. A devil fruit capable of containing the immense powers of multiple devil fruits. A devil fruit is somehow connected to a body's soul or something similar. This has been told to us in Dressrosa from a simple explanation of how aces devil fruit is still in the world. We were also told that a body cannot contain multiple devil fruits without over exertion and self destruction. But this was proven wrong by non-other than black beard. His Nomi-nomi fruit has the power to devour all that stands In his way. This can also be interpreted as in he can swallow multiple devil fruits without the drawback of dying. This would explain a little bit more into the obsession blackbeard had with his devil fruit. We know for a fact that the gomu-gomu is special. The world government wanted to specially protect it and was even willing to kill the person who failed to protect the fruit. Shanks is the main culprit, but why would a man of such great power just mess with the world government. He is also a very powerful pirate that can get any other devil fruit, but why this one. Why a devil fruit that would be more difficult to aquire? The Reasoning is that the gomu-gomu has literally no limit to the power it can hold. Is can stretch the limit of the body and soul and is able to hold multiple devil fruit powers inside the user.

Felt a little bored so I thought of this. What holes would be in this theory?

[reef sandal]

blackbeard ate the yami-yami no mi and we don't actually know how he got the gura gura no mi
also the wg wants to protect any devil fruit they get, they're incredibly useful as military power.
the gomu gomu no mi was just another treasure they got in a raid on some navy ships, not the specific target as far as we know. if they wanted to kill who's who because of his loss of the gomu gomu no mi, they would've given him the death sentence at a military tribunal before he was discharged.

[stiff patrol]

Because that’s the name of the island of giants..:::

[modest ember]

and tell me, what is "elbaph" backwards?

then tell me what "elbaf" is backwards

[reef sandal]

it's not people's fault, it's the translation's fault

or maybe even deliberately deceptive romanization, you know how oda loves those

[agile tangle]

Yep

[muted ember]

I'm bout to DM u

[agile tangle]

Alright thanks

[stiff patrol]

Bro what?

[modest ember]

elbaf is supposed to be fable backwards

the name "elbaph" removes that

[stiff patrol]

I don’t know what kinda argument you are trying to have, but I was pointing out to the guy that elbaph wasn’t the final island on the grand line…..

[modest ember]

oh

[modest ember]

so like raftel

[frail gull]

For real though the gomu gomu fruit is known. It's in the devil fruit book

There is a reason why the government wants it but it's not that

Also Toki has the wanted fruit. It's is literally called Toki Toki ( like her) and it's gone missing since the void period

[pure raven]

prediction:

since every paramecia awakening so far has been about turning other things into their power, Luffy's rubber fruit awakening would be just that.

At first it doesn't look useful, so I tried to apply it to Luffy's fighting style.

Just like Katakuri can create mochi from thin air, I will speculate that Luffy would be able to give rubber properties to the air itself.

If that's the case, since Luffy uses distance to boost his attacks normally, he could be able to use this rubber air to add into that. His punches would be even faster, if that's possible.

It would also give him more versatility in movement, and would probably remove the waiting time from pushing his arm all the way back

[inland wave]

imagine bouncing on the air above the ocean

like aokiji, but better

[deft dagger]

He produce mochi either from himself or from the ground with awakening idk if he did it in air

[reef sandal]

donuts

[pine delta]

idea: he turns what he hits to rubber, and then undoes it. the hit revebrates back and does double damage. a bit simple and probably not gonna happen but a creative theory nonetheless

[vestal orbit]

rubber air sounds a lot cooler than bounce castle honestly

[sinful helm]

Lmao are people still stuck on belo betty being Luffys mom

[modest skiff]

@sinful helm who are you talking to? I don't see anyone saying that

[sinful helm]

Some people earlier said they thought belo betty is luffys mom

[cyan berry]

it was a common fan theory for a while after Belo Betty's introduction

even before we knew her age

every once in a while you see someone come out of nowhere and say the same thing

[sinful helm]

Ye plus i saw it today on TikTok thats why its funny for me when i saw her age

[abstract pond]

Belo Betty being Luffy's mom was so random xd
Now that we know her age we can throw that theory to the garbage.

[stuck schooner]

ehh not entirely, she could have been a teen mom

[abstract pond]

I don't like the idea of a 14 years old having a kid

[stuck schooner]

wouldnt she but 15, but anyways, I mean its possible. I bet luffys mom is like big mom, shes got like 50 kids or somethin

maybe she just had a kid and dumped him on an island

[slate mirage]

I mean, it's still possible ,people used to have children at a young age. But it will 100% not happen in one piece

[stuck schooner]

yeah I figured that

[solid lodge]

what is the most common idea for what is the fruit the Gorosei was talking about

[primal cargo]

According to the bet on #events that would be Zunesha

[solid lodge]

thanks

[primal cargo]

Though in this channel I think I've seen more opinions in favor of Tama, obviously because we are intellectuals

[abstract pond]

People still thinking it's a zoan model giant elephant but Oda already said time ago that it's just an elephant

[torpid yoke]

Isn’t that just gear 4th

With his python technique he bounces off the air which is how the Culverin moves work isn’t it

[pure raven]

how I understood it, it just changed directions and became faster each time..

[amber oar]

Big Mom had Peros at 18, it's already pushing it and 15 is straight up too young

[modest skiff]

If someone is saying "maybe they had a kid when they are 15, meaning maybe pregnant when 14", they are deciding on a theory being true before any evidence whatsoever and then trying to conjure nonsense to make it fit. The only reason to assume Belo Betty is the fact that she works with Dragon. That is terrible evidence. It is better to have no theory than a youtube-level theory. We don't need to have a placeholder theory for Luffy's biological mother.

[stuck schooner]

yeah I was just throwing ideas out there

[muted ember]

I think besides Big Mom characters have kids around their 30s. I think Yasopp was 26 that's the youngest I can think of

[amber oar]

"they are deciding on a theory being true before any evidence whatsoever and then trying to conjure nonsense to make it fit"

I've been searching the exact words for ages, so many theories are like this. Make a random statement and then say "this is why A, B and C happens" while all of A, B and C can have a dozen reasons to happen

[sand light]

I have a small baseless take about Kozuki Toki's prophecy. The Nine Shadows didn't refer to the Scabbards. It referenced the Nine groups bringing Kaido down. Who?

1. Straw Hat Pirates
2. Heart Pirates
3. Kidd Pirates
4. Akazaya Eight
5. Kozuki Momonosuke & Hiyori
6. Minks
7. Shinobu and the other Wano Samurai
8. Yamato
9. Defector Beast Pirates.

Since 1037, I been wondering if the defected pirates should be classed with Yamato and Zuneshs should take their place.

Thoughts?

[tired osprey]

I think the scabbards, Momo, Hiyori and the other samurais would be considered to be in the same group

[sand light]

Momo and Hiyori I set aside as the children of Oden. And because (no 1038 spoilers pls) I really hope Hiyori will take out Orochi... But if not then alright.

The Scabbards also get their own category for their history.

All this came up because I was wondering how there could be nine Shadows if one was false.

[versed hamlet]

There already were 9 shadows; the scabbards. They just happened to fail and luffy kid and law happen to be clean up duty for them basically

[muted ember]

I don't think the Scabbards can be the nine shadows bc Kanjuro was a traitor the whole time.

[reef sandal]

izo replaces kanjuro

[muted ember]

I get what u mean but nah he wasn't a scabbard

I think it's the Straw hats minus Luffy

[inland wave]

izo's a retainer isn't he

also his sister

[muted ember]

Ig but he's not a scabbard

[inland wave]

what's the difference

[muted ember]

Ig the Scabbards are the ones who were present during Oden's death

[frozen roost]

Yamato could be a shadow

[inland wave]

i see, thanks

[weak arrow]

Toki presumably can't tell real prophecies, and based her words off assuming all 9 scabbards would survive to carry on Oden's will. The 20 years was based off what Oden had told her and not something she knew herself.

[maiden rampart]

Yo I joined just to say this cause I’ve seen a lot of theories about what the awakened devil fruit is the gorosei are talking about and I like a lot of them but how come I’ve never seen one talking about the two devil fruits we HAVE seen awaken within the last 50 chapters, law and kidds? Maybe it’s too obvious but laws devil fruit is extremely important to the world government for the eternal your surgery and kidd had the biggest bounty of the worst gen. I understand it would be awkward for only one of them to be important and there isn’t much evidence but I’m just surprised I haven’t seen the been talked about because they literally awakened. Thanks for reading

[weak arrow]

The main reason they arent talked about is the world government has known they've had those fruits for years. They're acting all surprised about it, thus it doesnt make too much sense for it to be law or kid's. Granted, some people still think it as you can see in #events

[maiden rampart]

True, I think I’m still just confused why Oda would choose to hide an awakening.
I’ll check that channel out thanks

[hard root]

Who is Im-sama? Any news? I dont read manga or watch anime but i have big interest in OP world and ofc i accept spoilers

[inland wave]

He's the leader of the celestial dragons, two levels above basic celestial dragons

[hard root]

So still today no face revealed? Hmmm

I guess he was shown first time on chapter 900 something

[inland wave]

we have his eyes, they're like mihawk's

[hard root]

You believe he will be the "final boss"? Or he maybe be even an ally?

[inland wave]

ally - unlikely, enemy - unlikely, rival - perhaps

wait what am I saying

[hard root]

He or she caught my attention a lot, very curious about this character

Its a possibilty for he being no human? Or OP does not "allow" this?

Enel and Im-sama are my favorite characters i guess. Do your guys think something about Im-sama will be revealed soon? Or the manga is on totally different side of story?

[modest skiff]

Please don't use this channel for questions and answers. Per the channel description, it is intended for sharing/critiquing theories

[inland wave]

but asking for theories?

[hard root]

Do your guys got a theory about why im sama is interested on that specific characters?

[inland wave]

they cause the most commotion

[hoary glade]

Whose read the new chapter?

[inland wave]

me

[hoary glade]

What did you think about this scene? I mean ofc its the grim reaper but do u think oda might actually kill zoro off?

They make him look absolutely powerless in the face of it, idk how he can recover from this one

[sand light]

Thanks all of you!

@muted ember
@inland wave
@tired osprey
@versed hamlet
@reef sandal
@frozen roost

[pure raven]

i thought brook betrayed the straw hats 😬 might be the grim reaper too

or maybe his swords 🤨

[nimble venture]

hello

[nimble venture]

where did this come from?

[slate mirage]

Of course Oda will not kill Zoro

[pure raven]

the new chapter

[nimble venture]

nah who is this grim reaper?

he came out of nowhere

[stiff patrol]

This chapter is leading heavily into Chinese mythology, furthermore we know that wano is following the momotaro tail so momonsokue, yamato and marco will be on the roof in the end to fight kaido with luffy. Lastly this tells us luffys last gear will either be the tiger, or my personal favourite sunwukong

[stiff patrol]

Enmas spirit, like how the merry had a soul yk maybe

[nimble venture]

ohh

[pure raven]

yeah i thought it had something to do with his cursed swords

[nimble venture]

so zoro wll die?

[pure raven]

we dont know, oda might give him plot armour

[stiff patrol]

Because enma is the name for the god of hell…….. and deaths form is a scythe….

[nimble venture]

i thought jimbei or robin might die but it seems zoro will

[stiff patrol]

Bro none of the straw hats are dying in wano lmao

[nimble venture]

anyway 1 of the straw hats will die ig

[naive flame]

Zoro is not gonna die lol

[junior cape]

He will trip balls though

[slate mirage]

Zoro will 100% not going to die

[pale laurel]

he might die and come back to life somehow 🤷‍♂️

[modest crane]

Zoro kills the Grim Reaper and become the new God of Death

[slate mirage]

I guess? But as far as i know Oda doesnt like characters coming back to life

[inland wave]

ace 2.0 ??

[slate mirage]

Me neither tbh

[slate mirage]

What

[inland wave]

sabo

[slate mirage]

What?

[inland wave]

yes

[edgy viper]

Shinobu is the ninth scabbard. She was present during the exekution and asked Kinemon if she could join during their escape afterwards.

[timber silo]

kanjuro was the ninth until he betrayed

shinobu was never a scabbard, the scabbards were oden's vassals which shinobu never was

[pale laurel]

that's a good point

[lusty igloo]

What if Zoro dies and the Straw hats literally go to hell to retrieve him

[pure raven]

maybe they gave enma grim reaper fruit

[primal cargo]

I don't know how necessary this is, but new reasons why Big Mom makes it out of the raid :

• Kidd & Law have switched their objective from defeating her to keeping her away from the roof
  -She has survived the chapter called "[good guys] VS Big Mom"

This adds up with the reasons we already had :
-The raid was always about defeating Kaido
-Big Mom has suffered significantly less damage than Kaido, who is still standing himself
-Big Mom's reason for being in Wano (in terms of writing) has yet to appear

[quaint haven]

Big mom to see CP0 trying to take Robin an ends up fighting them.

Straw hats gna be too battered to fight CP0 someone's gna have to intervene I think

Could easily say the classic, shanks or dragon will appear but if we ignore those unlikely options who else can still fight CP0 now?

[pure raven]

Didn't she followed strew hats for embersing her?

And why would she help robin

[quaint haven]

She wants Robin herself

[primal cargo]

Yes, from her perpective she came for a reason, but from our perpective as the reader she doesn't really have a role yet in this arc

[pure raven]

So she would kidnapp her instead of cp0, I don't see how it's better for the strew hats. Like, how it solves the problem

[primal cargo]

I don't think CP0 are going after Robin anymore. They had a change of plans of some sort in chapter 1036.
Apparently they have to "prepare" for the possibility that the raid succeeds. Now with 1038 it sounds like they're still after the Strawhats, but I don't think Robin's the priority anymore. Maybe they're gonna try to eliminate the crew before it becomes a Yonko crew ?

[smoky vale]

One question is the grim reaper a minority?

Dark skinned

If so Zoro no diffs simple as that.

[wooden topaz]

i think people make the reaper to hype, as chopper said zoro could be feel double pain and make him near death as simple as that, i dont think zoro will death for sure.

[eager frost]

obviously he won't die lol

[abstract pond]

I have two theories about the grim reaper.

1. It's Brook that arrived first and Zoro is hallucinating abit because of the drug.
2. It's related to the swords spirits and something will happen that will make one or more of Zoro's swords black.

[eager frost]

1st one makes most sense since he is obviously not dying. but this is the most logical time for him to gain a black blade

[empty narwhal]

What are the odds that Big Mom will die in Wano

[eager frost]

0

i think these big shots still have a part to play in the final war against WG/whatever power is at the top

[empty narwhal]

Do you think that the final war arc will be pirates vs WG or like blackbeard vs strawhats

[eager frost]

hmm it feels like the biggest reason to go after WG will be revealed after final island which seems to be the best stage to fight off in a 1v1 battle with everyone in the crew against BB to see who becomes the pirate king. secrets about WG dirty deeds are likely hidden over there

[clear isle]

Bro zoro is ded 💀💀

[empty narwhal]

I see. anyone remember about the lurking legend oda was talking about?

/rank

[clear isle]

Might as well tell kaido to revive him

[split slate]

Zoro gets bankai

[formal marsh]

Yeah, one of this

Zoro would have to go all out to undo that mess

[copper frost]

i recommend moving this to #also-manga tbh

[formal marsh]

No way we would get another "rescue [ sh member] from BM" arc

[cyan berry]

@eager frost @split slate no other series references anywhere in this server outside of #other-series

[pure raven]

Another reason why it won't append

[formal marsh]

Exactly, that was what I meant

[muted ember]

She's not one of the 9 scabbards based on the panel I shared

I have a theory that there's going to be a battle between the SHs and Kaido or Big Mom. I was waiting for Chopper to go back to normal bc that was the only point hurting the theory

[primal cargo]

Luffy beats Kaido but is left unable to move after the fight is over.
Big Mom comes over with the intention of killing him.
The crew defend him valiantly to the point where Big Mom has no choice but to leave. She will fall in Act 4 when Luffy is back up.

[pure raven]

Maybe the Reaper is just how the double pain thing takes effect?

[amber oar]

But now Zoro isn't in condition, and seems neither Sanji

[muted ember]

Zoro woke up so I'm sure Sanji will too. And Zoro has fought when he shouldn't be able to before

[visual merlin]

I really don't see how the crew could stop Big mom that efficiently at this point

[muted ember]

Tbh Sanji should not even still be passed out or Robin recovered quicker than him

[visual merlin]

maybe robin wasn't as tired or injured in the first place

[ancient vault]

I dont think u can make that argument considering that Zoro in the next few minutes should be on the verge of dying like he did in TB.

@amber oar Though I think youre underestimating the ability of Oda wanking Zoro with hack power ups

[loud kettle]

Luffy's fruit is actually smthg related to oil, he turns kaido into oil. Momo kills kaido with his blast breath.

[torpid grove]

the one thing that boggles me right now is how exactly luffy will beat kaido, what kind of move, form, or technique will he use? its just unimaginable how he can crack open a shell so strong to me

[visual merlin]

We don't know if zoro is actually awake

even if he is, he says he can't move

[muted ember]

He is awake he lifted his head

[visual merlin]

and he's fought hard before, but he's never fought through these conditions. He already was unable to move after the roof, now he's feeling twice of that, plus what he got from king

[visual merlin]

Unless this isn't real, in which he may not actually be awake, and again, even if he is, he can't move any more than that according to him

[loud kettle]

@torpid grove

[muted ember]

Zoro has fought when he shouldn't be able to before

[visual merlin]

That isn't much of an argument. Just because zoro's fought through pain before, doesn't mean he has no limit. I already explained that after the roof he couldn't move, and now he's feeling twice that, plus what he got from king

[muted ember]

Ok but you're saying he can't move. After clearly demonstrating that he couldn't move at one point, and yet the story made it possible for him to move again

[visual merlin]

when did this happen

[muted ember]

U just said he couldn't move after the roof but he kept fighting after that

[visual merlin]

Yes, and he got mink medicine to move

something he obviously won't be getting a second dose of

especially when the raid is near its end, and he's done his main battle

[muted ember]

So what I'm saying is Oda just needs to create an in story reason for him to move again

[visual merlin]

yea, you can make that argument for literally anything

oda just needs to create an in story reason for gaimon to kill kaido

this doesn't make your idea any more reasonable

There is no reasonable or available way for zoro to get up and keep figthing

[muted ember]

U made the argument when u pointed out Zoro has already been at the point of not moving already and still returning to fight

[abstract pond]

I see much more likely that Law and Kidd take down Big Mom and not another character or group of characters.

[visual merlin]

Tray

He got the mink medicine.

He is not going to get the mink medicine again

Just because there was a way for him to get up one time, doesn't mean he'll never stay down for more than 5 minutes

[muted ember]

The mink medicine wasn't reasonable to a lot of people to say there's no reasonable way for it to happen is subject to opinion

[visual merlin]

"Oda can make an in story reason for x or y" isn't an argument

[visual merlin]

Tray, how is zoro going to get up and keep fighting?

[muted ember]

I'll let Oda decide

[visual merlin]

So you have no clue, right

There's no way for zoro to get up currently. It doesn't make sense at the moment

What you're saying has about as much validity as me saying I'll let oda decide how he makes Gaimon kill kaido

[muted ember]

If u had asked me this after the roof and I said mink medicine I probably would have been shit on in this chat and no one would believe it. So me offering an off the wall answer won't change your opinion even if I personally think it's "reasonable"

So I have a clue, there's just no point in sharing it

[visual merlin]

It won't be reasonable. It'd be even less reasonable than the mink medicine idea was

[visual merlin]

You don't have a clue, you have a random idea that has no basis, Im guessing. Which is supporting an idea that everyone knows is already a bit crazy considering whats happening

People not knowing mink medicine would be a thing doesn't mean any random crazy idea is reasonable and valid

[muted ember]

I do, again, I just don't care to share it w u

[visual merlin]

Right, and Im sure that "clue" has no actual evidence or anything of the sort behind it, or else there'd be a reason to share it

That is what Im getting at

[muted ember]

No matter what I say u can just label as "unreasonable" to u so no there's no reason to share it

[visual merlin]

I wouldn't label it as unreasonable if there was evidence given, or reason given, making it reasonable. So you're not changing anything Im saying here. The reason people would've been labeled as unreasonable for the mink medicine idea is because it indeed was unreasonable at the time. As it had no evidence or anything. And the same is happening with your current idea. But just because that came true, doesn't mean you should take any random idea to be valid as long as it fits what you want to happen

[muted ember]

U already said it won't be reasonable before I said anything so this is a lie

U can't say u wouldn't do something u already did

[visual merlin]

Because you yourself brought up the mink medicine. And then referenced that when saying you wouldn't bring up this idea

so yes, Im guessing you have no actual reason behind it

but that can change if you, yknow, give some

[muted ember]

Well if you're saying the mink medicine was unreasonable and Oda still did it, then I actually don't need a reasonable way for him to get up I could pick something unreasonable too

[visual merlin]

Tray

I explained multiple times how the mink medicine shit doesn't make any random ass idea valid

Yes, you could maybe pick some random shit, and get very lucky. Doesn't mean it made any sense to, or that you're actually likely to get anything right

I can also pick something unreasonable. Lets say Gaimon turns out to be Uranus and can fly to wano to kill kaido right?

This isn't valid just because the mink medicine came true

[muted ember]

It's not a random idea, that's a strawman, it's directly parallel to the mink medicine idea: Zoro can't move and something will allow him to

[visual merlin]

???

Alright, so gaimon showing up parallels zunesha showing up

[muted ember]

You're just saying shit now, good bye

[edgy viper]

I'd argue that Kanjuro is a "false positive" in this panel as he a traitor. His place as the ninth shadow in Toki's prophecy is then filled by Shinobu, who was present during the Legendary Hour. Her being the sole reason Momo is able to keep Onigashima afloat somewhat confirms that for me tbh.
However, depending on what happens with Kazenbou, Kanjuro could still unwillingly play into the Kozuki's hands and act as a force against Kaido/Orochi. So I'ma take my own stance with a grain of salt.

[visual merlin]

Im saying the same shit you are

Just say you have no actual evidence or reasoning for your theory. If you are gonna do that for the sake of the theory you want to happen, go ahead, just don't be acting like it's got anything supporting it, or is suddenly reasonable because mink medicine happened

[edgy viper]

Regarding Kazenbo there's something that really irritates me in 1038
I'll get a screenshot when I'm not on mobile
But in the left hand corner of the double spread there's two pictograms (not sure if this is the proper english term) warning of radioactive material. Have we ever seen this sign before?

[muted ember]

She's not the sole reason. Momo is pulling Kaido's clouds not his own and Luffy was the impetus for it all. And if she is a scabbard (she's not) shouldn't she have been in the fight w Kaido?

[ancient vault]

that reason was to give king an opponent since it was set sanji fights queen

Unless Oda is going for ZKK zoro doesnt really have a reason to get up again

[edgy viper]

While that's true, do we think Momo could've done anything meaningful without being aged?
Her absence from the fight with Kaido is a fair point though, you're right, she should've been. Hmm

[muted ember]

We're not talking about the reason it happened. I'm talking about whether the medicine was a reasonable solution to keep him fighting

[inner mesa]

ahhhhh so soul reapers exist in the one piece world or wtf was that thing attack zoro lmao

[ancient vault]

reasonable in what sense?

[muted ember]

I'm not going through this again lol

But basically whether it was an ass pull or not for Zoro to break all his bones and get a random drug to heal him

[ancient vault]

It is

[visual merlin]

In any case, zoro's probably not getting up, sanji probably isn't either, and he if he does he still can't do much to an emperor especially when he's this tired, and none of the other strawhats can do anything to an emperor

[ancient vault]

To introduce a super healing drug that was never or just very very briefly mentioned in a small panel before is bs

But using that as an argument for why Oda does it again is calling him a bad writer really

[muted ember]

Not really bc whether or not you think it's bad writing is an opinion. I never said that tho

[visual merlin]

Yea, you haven't said anything because you know your idea for why it happens again doesn't have anything backing it up

[muted ember]

I'm talking about the mink medicine not my theory lol

I never said it was bad

[visual merlin]

what is it?

[muted ember]

This is general manga talk its not really for theories

[visual merlin]

this is the manga theories channel

[muted ember]

I'm saying asking my opinion on Oda's writing is not for this channel

[visual merlin]

This is a theory channel, your theory is exactly what the channel is for as long as you've got something serious

if you're not looking to do this, this isn't the channel for that

[muted ember]

This isn't my theory, u just asked me what I think of the mink medicine from a writing perspective

[shadow ruin]

Would you say its similar to shirohige?

[visual merlin]

Dude, what is your theory on how zoro is going to get up

[shadow ruin]

My theory is that eustass captain kid will find the wanpisu

And kaido and big mom effectively made Yamato through sexual reproduction

[visual merlin]

@shadow ruin this is the place for serious theories, not those kind

[royal agate]

im pretty sure the fact oda included adding "grim reaper" to show zoro is dying kinda shows he probably will be saved if he really is gonna die he wont add all this extra stuff one speculation i have for this is that BROOK is finnally gonna have another important part in the story and he might unlock a new ability that has to do with other peoples death ( not ressurection exactly oda wont do that LOL)

[pure island]

true I think there was definitely some kind of reason why the grim reaper/brooke was shown

[royal agate]

oh people think its brook

[pure island]

some people do yes

[royal agate]

what if its like an ability to bring somone temporarliy to the land of the dead

[pure island]

maybe something like that

[royal agate]

and maybe zoro could heal there or brook has some type of healing power down there

[royal agate]

WWWW BROOK FINNALY GETTING MORE PURPOSE IN THE STORY

[pure island]

possibly, there was something about his injuries being multiplied right?

[royal agate]

yep the mink remedy all the healed injures come back even harder

[pure island]

so maybe if he is in some kind of realm of the dead then he won't actually die from that happening? honestly no clue

and he'll be able to recover or something. will be interesting to see

[royal agate]

probably

it might be like a death 13 thing idk if you've watched or read jojo

[pure island]

ohh true maybe a similar concept to that

[royal agate]

For people who don't know what Death 13 is : This ability comes in two parts. When anything alive (human or otherwise) falls asleep near Mannish Boy, Death Thirteen's User, they are drawn into Death Thirteen's dream world
Death Thirteen has full control over this dream world. It is able to make death machines out of mechanical items, summon objects out of nothing, manipulate Polnareff's hair or Joseph's hand, basically shaping everything as it sees fit.

TL;DR
If you fall asleep near the user u get transported into a dream world where the user has complete 100% control over basically allowing the user do whatever it wants to it while and you're completley defenseless In the dream world, Death Thirteen is free kill anyone inside the dream. Any injuries the person receives in the dream world are transferred to the real world, including fatal ones. Inversely, it can also heal wounds if coerced.

[royal agate]

probably look at this

In the dream world, Death Thirteen is free to torment and kill anyone inside the dream with its scythe. Any injuries the person receives in the dream world are transferred to the real world, including fatal ones. Inversely, it can also heal wounds if coerced, thus healing Kakyoin's cuts,[7] which transfers into the real world too.

so maybe brook has a kinda death 13 ability he might use to save zoro

[pure island]

, so maybe so maybe zoro asleep or something and needs waking up who knows

[muted ember]

I think the skeleton is Brook just as a parallel to Brook witnessing Zoro taking Luffy's pain in TB. He'll be there to see the side effects of the medicine kick in

[royal agate]

but brook would deff do somt about it not just watch

[pure island]

could happen

[muted ember]

He just watched in TB so...

There's really nothing he can do, Zoro already took the medicine readers will not like it of he doesn't face the consequences

[royal agate]

he wasn't apart of the crew then

it wasn't until after so he technincally didn't have to do anything

[onyx shoal]

It would be interesting if kidd coat his CoC haki into his magnetic creations

[muted ember]

But that implies Brook would have let him die on a technicality in TB, bc Luffy had already invited him

The only reason he wasn't crew yet is bc they had to get his shadow

[royal agate]

but he had to ask luffy again for it to be officiall

[muted ember]

Yea that's why I'm saying your argument is based on a technicality. As if Brook was thinking "I'm not going to help him bc I'm not officially on the crew"

U see how that would be weird in a character sense?

[minor crater]

Do U think that the panel with zoro and the grim reaper person confirms the supernatural state of one piece?

[stiff patrol]

Re reading chapter 1029, prediction is killers mask falls apart after the wano raid showing his third eye

[inland wave]

he has a third eye?

[amber oar]

no hint about it yet, barring his face always covered

but there's a ton of characters with parts of their face covered without that meaning anything in particular. It was already stated Killer covered his face because he was embarrased of his laugh

[inland wave]

Killer seems...traumatised

[manic relic]

Any theories about who the skeleton is in front of Zoro? Angel of death? Brook trolling? Someone else?

[raven trellis]

I think angel of death..

[dire owl]

brook already supported the idea of there being an afterlife with his existence in the series and use of attacks from this mysterious "underworld," and if this does turn out to be the "grim reaper" rather than a hallucination, its confirmed imo

[pure raven]

I don't who it is but it hella looks like the grim reaper...

Brook might get Zoros soul from the underworld and saves him that way

[pine delta]

this is a kinda out there theory and thinking
but with zoros grim reaper, and all the samurai connections oda has been bringing up with so far no payoff,
i was thinking what if zoro moves past/survives the grim reaper has to do with his samurai bloodline

i have no idea how it would pan out, but the image in my head is kinemon sacrificing his life to save zoro (the will of the sword...must live on) or something thereabouts

zoro has been close to death many times before and we never got a grim reaper image, we've also never had this much lore for him dropped, it feels like its reaching a intersection

[ancient vault]

shimon once did a theory about that

[muted ember]

Theory: Shimotsuki Kozaburo was the first mate of the Rock's Pirates. Shimotsuki village was founded by pirates 55 years ago, and Kozaburo left Wano "over 50 years ago," which eventually resulted in him being a target of the Marines. The village has a connection to the Revolutionary army, which are similar to Rocks in that they are notorious for being directly hostile to the government, possibly Kozaburo was still working towards Rocks goal in secret. Rocks recruited powerful pirates from other crews, if Kozaburo was already a pirate 50+ years ago, he fits w characters such as Big Mom and Whitebeard. Finally, Kaido came to Wano bc he somehow knew it was special. Based on what we know he attained this knowledge before anyone ever reached Laugh Tale. The safe assumption is that it's based on some information he got from Rocks, but where did Rocks get it? Kozaburo being on the crew could also explain why WB chose not to avenge Oden, as he would have also met Kozaburo and understood that the fate of Wano is much deeper than a conflict between Kaido and Oden and would not be settled in his era no matter what.

[vast smelt]

zoro will conquer haki the grim reaper

[vestal orbit]

[winter ocean]

Luffy counts lol

[stiff patrol]

…. I’m a dumb fuck

[vestal orbit]

sanji???

[stiff patrol]

Bruh istg how did I forget him 😅

[winter ocean]

Gonna repost this here but

Maybe the villain will be someone shanks faced in the past and we’ll get flashback scenes to shanks facing him, then at the end of the film after luffy beats him we get a scene of shanks getting the news and he says something like “looks like it’s finally time for us to meet again, luffy”. So it’s the even that convinces shanks luffy is ready, but in the manga it just feels like they meet up again because of the events of wano

[thick plover]

holy shit its gaimon

[stiff patrol]

Nah I forgot about sanji…..

[main siren]

so death is gonna take zoro to the after life and he will get lost and endup unlocking his banki

[thick plover]

and then he goes to soul society

[stiff patrol]

Peak fiction about to meet peak fiction 🥶

[cursive timber]

This ain’t bleach

[wooden topaz]

serious only guys

[main siren]

mb but seriously i like the thought of brook saving him

[wooden topaz]

you can make it simple i guess dude

[primal cargo]

I'm not sure this is possible, considering Kozaburo was Kuina's granddad. Unless he had a child while on Rocks' ship or somethig

[muted ember]

Pirates have kids all the time bc the mother doesn't have to be on the ship, like Usopp. And Momo was born on Roger's ship so there's precedent for it

[wintry lake]

Man, hope next chapter is big mom defeat

[main siren]

i mean there could be something linking why brooked is so afraid of skeletons is because he met this death when he died

idk for as much as i want bm going down i just see her being in elbaf

[primal cargo]

Let it go. Even Kidd&Law aren't trying to defeat her anymore

[wintry lake]

I bet she’s gonna die due her df, like I said 1 month ago

She has like 70 years, and this fight reduced a lot of lifespan, whole island thing, many health

[main siren]

if bm dies nami loses Zeus i just dont see that happening right after she gets full controll of him

dont big mom use others souls to fight with too

[primal cargo]

If that happens it'll be after the raid, Wano and her reign as a Yonko are over. 0% chance she drops on her own, that's not a "bad guy" thing to do

[robust sky]

i thought it was the smile fruit

[wintry lake]

That or kid & law defeat her

[main siren]

the smile was the irony that he hated his laugh and now cant do anything but

now that one hits all the right spots

[vestal orbit]

would've expected enma's spirit to be more "japanese" looking but that would be cool

[velvet edge]

Guys this is not the channel for any of this

[strong roost]

wtf my theory got deleted

:(

[main siren]

probably my fault cuz i made that bleach joke i still really like that theory and can totaly see oda doing something like that

i didn't realize we couldn't enjoy a conversation while were having theory talk

[main siren]

il ladmit what i said was a joke but his theoy still could have checked out thats kinda a abuse of power but w/e

[sand sail]

It's not an abuse of power, it's the rules. Go ahead and check the channel description here

[vestal orbit]

the theory was that the reaper is enma's spirit, i don't think that's a joke theory

[main siren]

and i admited that i broke them bud @strong roost didnt and you still deleted his shit

[main siren]

SOMEONE WAS THERE

[vestal orbit]

[velvet edge]

If you have issues dm me

[main siren]

i was just defending a fellow fan sorry it wont happen again

[winter ocean]

I think it’s possible that vegapunk didn’t really make momo’s fruit and that’s the fruit the gorosei were freaking out over. They got the report from cp0 that a pink dragon showed up. Going further, what if that fruit’s power is how momo can order Zunesha ? What if it has the power to control. Real conspiracy theory mode, what if it’s the “Celestial dragon” fruit and the world nobles got their name from it. Their mark is is a pinkish dragon claw.

[main siren]

really like it but didnt oden hear zunesha too when he first went to zou

[winter ocean]

Hearing it is the voice of all things

Which we know luffy and Roger and oden and Momo have

[olive musk]

Yeah, he did, because he and Roger had "Hearing all voices" ability, but they couldn't command zunesha like how Momo did

[winter ocean]

Commanding it was momo only. But that could just be because he’s kozuki

The control thing may not be legit. But the rest could be idk

Just a thought I had last week because it’s one of the only fruits that would’ve cropped up recently from the gorosei’s POV

[main siren]

its definitely possible i do like the theory it really did just seem that there bloodline was what gave them the power to control zou

[winter ocean]

Like they’ve known about luffy’s fruit for over 2 years, so I doubt they’re reacting to that

[main siren]

idk i still think there talking about luffys fruit just because we met whos who in this arc and they still haven't revealed why that was relevant

[muted ember]

I wonder what happened to the Mink on Hawkins crew. It's weird Oda wouldn't use him in an animal themed arc

[main siren]

but im all about exploring more theorys

[olive musk]

But I don't think the five elders were talking about Zunesha when they were talking about the legendary DF, because all DFs are weak to the sea and we saw Zunesha walking on the sea

[winter ocean]

Eh. His fruit was stolen sure and is probably valuable, but the world Government has known his power for years now

[main siren]

they deff were not the navy was stunned mid convo with the elders

[olive musk]

Yeah

I think it's about Kaido's/Momo's def

[winter ocean]

Assuming it’s momo, I think it’s clever scene paneling by oda. Zunesha is there because of momo and by extension the fruit

So it’s a related topic

[main siren]

but fruit are stolen by pirates all the time and he lost his job and hold alot of resentment it just seems to be a ploy for thickening the plot

[olive musk]

There's a low chance that they were talking about someone else's DF

[muted ember]

They wouldn't be confused about Momo's fruit bc they had it made and it wouldn't fit as something that's been around for centuries

[olive musk]

Cause if it were, Oda would have shown at least a panel foreshadowing it

[winter ocean]

Right, but I don’t think that makes it the only important fruit out there, and I don’t think fruits are commonly stolen from cipher pol

[winter ocean]

Yeah m, my suggestion is that momo’s fruit wasn’t really made by vegapunk and Caesar and his men didn’t know what they were talking about.

[main siren]

i have 0 backing but i thought it would be cool if they were talking about robins fruit

[olive musk]

I think the plot was about Who's-who background story and how he ended up like that

[winter ocean]

That vegapunk was just studying it secretly. Maybe he claimed to make it or hell maybe he remade it by cloning a sample

Something like that

[olive musk]

Ah, didn't think about that

[main siren]

he was defeated quickly but being a cp member it kinda makes me think that his punishment and the cp0 goals are inline together

[winter ocean]

That would be cool, but again her power was known to them for years. Also like, she’s already a big target on their radar. This reveal would just make Robin a bigger target.

[olive musk]

Man, if I can go to the future, then the first thing I'm gonna do is watch all of One piece

[main siren]

that could be in addtioin that she had such a high bounty at such a young age, not to mention they named her the devil child and then we see her do this

[olive musk]

Or wait, it could be about Toki's time power

If the power is awakened then she can forward or revert the place also

[winter ocean]

I think she’s important enough from a story telling perspective. Knowing how to read the poneglyph is more than enough to warrant the bounty

[olive musk]

And maybe go back to the past

[winter ocean]

I thought about that, but how would they know if it resurfaced?

[robust sky]

Oww, i see, so the fruit had nothing to do with it?

[winter ocean]

From the chapter, they were discussing current events and reacting to something. The only thing I can think of is they got the report of another dragon from cp0, but maybe something else happened?

[main siren]

the fruit caused the laughing but thats it

[winter ocean]

Those are the defective smiles

Successful smiles permanently mutated you to be part animal

[main siren]

has momo even been revealed to the beast pirates? i mean as a dragon or flying under the island

[olive musk]

Cause remember that Toki died 25 years ago, and by now, someone would have that fruit in their hand. Also, it is legendary because the DF only forms after their previous owner dies and she travelled almost ~800 years into the future

[winter ocean]

Pleasures are the soldiers that got defective ones, gifters got good ones and waiters are waiting for their chance to get one

Left over if the defective ones were fed to the people in the slums around the capital, because orochi is cruel and wants his city to look like a utopia, where even the poor smile

[winter ocean]

It’s possible, but it would depend entirely on what happened to the fruit after toki died

Also not sure why the government would make up another name for it

You can’t really hide the time fruits power/ possibilities

[olive musk]

Hmm

[primal cargo]

This actually makes negative sense.
The one thing we know for sure about the mystery fruit is that the Five Elders think it's a legend.
Every argument based on the idea that "the World Government cares about this fruit a lot" goes against that fruit being the one.

[winter ocean]

That’s a good point

[pine delta]

factoid

[winter ocean]

His firing can’t have anything to do with the fruit they’re just discovering isn’t a legend

[pine delta]

honestly the time fruit feels the most like evidence that df were man made by the ancient race: it was made as a way to preserve their legacy

[main siren]

that fruit hasnt AWAKEN for centuries, they still could be talking about the gum gum and the fact the elders are the only one to know the real name of the fruit

they never said that the fruit was completely lost for the entire time

[winter ocean]

Luffy’s fruit awakening won’t happen off panel/ be a subtle thing

Trust me, oda will make it a big reveal/ turning point in the fight when it happens

[main siren]

my thought is his transformations are like awakening lte

[winter ocean]

Also how would they be able to tell luffy’s fruit awakened?

[winter ocean]

And yes they totally do say that. They say both

[main siren]

and the elders are seeing his gear forth and realizing it looks jsut like the legends say

[main siren]

i literaly just read it to make sure the even puth awaken in bold

[winter ocean]

They say they thought the fruit has been lost to history and that it hasn’t even awakened in centuries

[winter ocean]

Yeah that’s the second line

The line where they say the fruit is lost to legend even to them is the one before

And I’ve seen the raw tl, trust me they say both

[dense mountain]

damn cant find it but i asked while ago what would happen to zoro once the effects of the potion wear off

yall said he was just gonna sleep it off

also where are my colors?

[winter ocean]

His injuries will get multiple times worse

[main siren]

can you find a panel cuz ive look through 3 scans and the SJ all of them dont show anyone saying the fruit was lost to legend just that it was a legend even to them

[winter ocean]

It’s vague, but that’s all the the info I have

[winter ocean]

Sure

Tcb and viz say the same thing, but I’ll grab viz

[main siren]

looked at em and they say was legened to them

nothing about being lost just that its not been awakend

[primal cargo]

That's what it says yes

[winter ocean]

It being a legend to them means they didn’t know it still existed lol

Not oh we knew it existed, it’s legendary but it hasn’t awakened in centuries

[main siren]

but you said i was wrong and have proof

[primal cargo]

So for example they wouldn't have been in literal possession of it 12 years back

[winter ocean]

That is proof

[main siren]

no its interpretation

[half badger]

So they talking about a fruit that is already awakened

[winter ocean]

They literally say the fruit’s existence is a legend even to them and then say it hasn’t awakened in years

[half badger]

So it can't be the fruit of luffy

[main siren]

or a fruit that once awakend they fear

[winter ocean]

They are 2 statements

[winter ocean]

No because they flat out say they didn’t know it wasn’t a legend

[main siren]

no they flat out said it WAS a legend

[winter ocean]

Yes until this moment lol

[main siren]

ok well thats why were talking theory

[winter ocean]

When they’re hearing of it resurfacing

[primal cargo]

They thought it was a legend, now they're starting to contemplate the possibility that it's real. Idk sounds pretty clear to me

[main siren]

but to say it makes negative sence when no one has found this concrete proof they said they ahd

[winter ocean]

It’s there in the dialogue

[main siren]

or its not

theres no way to say for certan but there deff no proof to say im wrong either

[primal cargo]

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here but the point I'm making is that the Gum-Gum fruit is not a legend. Expecially not to them. So a fruit that is a legend to them is not the Gum-Gum fruit.

[winter ocean]

Ok I can’t do anything but point to the page and tell you what it says

[primal cargo]

I think your argument is basically : it's possible the Gum-Gum fruit has some hidden power (its Awakening) that is only known in legend. And that power is starting to appear with Gear 4, therefore the Elders are starting to think that the Gum-Gum fruit might actually be the legendary fruit.
If that's what you mean to say then :

1. Gear 4 is not Awakening (doesn't fit the definition + he's been using it for ages + Luffy was literally in Gear 4 when Doffy started explaining to him that Awakening exists)
2. The Elders are aware of the fruit's fake name, so if that fake name was "Gum-Gum" they would have always known it was real and not a legend
3. Explain to me why Who's Who was put in charge of the Gum-Gum fruit and heavily punished for losing it, if the World Government was unaware of its special power

[torpid mist]

the straw hat in mariejoa is kept frozen b/c otherwise it would burst into flames

nika is wearing it in that shiloette

the flames do...something

[teal tangle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/rymby5/best_rocks_theory_ever_1036/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

Read my theory it's good

[main siren]

1. luffy had time and time again done things like use conquers w/o knowing how to so he could use an awakening the same way without knowing
2. luffys fruit has only been on there radar for 2 years they could have been trying to keep it quite in thought that luffy would end up just being fodder and die
3. whos who was heavily punished so i dont understand the question

[primal cargo]

It's a bit all over the place. Basically the theory is that Rocks was secretly a Marine admiral ?
It's a very long stretch imo. He was pretty much the n°1 threat to the WG during his era. Are you saying he was undercover in a crew that had himself created ?
Also I don't think Rocks' era was 3 years long. It wouldn't be called an era.
Sorry if I missed the point, I didn't read the whole thing in detail it's a bit long and disorganized imo.

[teal tangle]

Wait wait wait. I didn't stretch anywhere.

Please elaborate on where I Stretched you didn't even read the entire thing

And disorganised. I literally added pictures bullet pointed and highlighted key info.

And used varying line structures to make details easier to digest

[reef sandal]

usually when people say disorganized they mean intellectually

[lament plinth]

That's more of a essay context but this context yeah she seems to be dissing his theory

[reef sandal]

yeah i meant in regard to a theory, forgot to say that in the message

[lament plinth]

Let me take a read of the theory

[primal cargo]

1. If Gear 4 was the sort of thing that's made possible by Awakening, Doffy wouldn't have told him that he was such a noob for not knowing about Awakening. Plus Gear 4 is already explained by Luffy's powers as we know them, so there's no reason to get Awakening involved. Plus like I said it doesn't fit anything we know about Awakening.
   2 & 3. I don't think you get my point. I'm saying that if the Elders were already aware that the Gum-Gum fruit was special the whole time, they wouldn't be calling it a legend today. It's not about what measures they've taken since. It's about the fact that today, the legendary power is still only a legend to them.
   If the Elders had known that the Gum-Gum fruit could have legendary powers the entire time, they wouldn't be here today still debating the possibility that maybe it could be real

[lament plinth]

Wait before I read this theory wasn't Drake undercover in a crew he created

[reef sandal]

yeah as captain of sword, but he isn't doing a bunch of shit against the wg

[lament plinth]

The supernova were said to wreak havoc. And sword is against the wg they counter cp0

[primal cargo]

That's true

[lament plinth]

And Drake always gets brought up when someone refers to the chaos the supernova cause

[river star]

My theory is that the gorosei are talking about Jewellery Bonney’s fruit. Watch when I’m right. Gonna leave this here

[primal cargo]

Good point but from what we've been told of Rocks he went way past anything that could have benefited the Navy didn't he ?

[sand sail]

Can't really be bonney's, she actually has some prior history with the government

[primal cargo]

I was referring mainly to how you listed a bunch of points without telling us what the connection between those points was, nor where you were going with them.

[lyric berry]

It ain’t luffys fruit

[amber oar]

Sword isn't against the wg nor counters cp0, that's a big ball of headcanon solely based on Drake and Koby not being Luffy's enemies

It's CP0 the ones who aren't supposed to be there, and they attacked Drake so he doesn't spill the beans. Instead Drake is on a mission. He's pretty much the one who reported to the Navy about BM-Kaido's alliance. There's a chance Sword has a direct link with Sakazuki, even, as he was the first one to comment on the alliance after Drake and Koby's talk. Chances are Sword is a unit to spy on pirates, that again is not proven but it's a more realistic speculation than muh rebel navy faction

[primal cargo]

Though 1038 makes it look like CP0 had a reason to beat up Drake. They didn't want to fight Izo, but Drake they jumped him before he could even declare his intentions

[muted ember]

Nah he implied he would expose them when he told them they need to explain why they are there

[twin widget]

the WG had the gomu gomu like 12 years ago

[sand sail]

Because he's a marine, yeh

[ancient vault]

they shold have killed him

[main siren]

Only the 5 elders knew the real name, who's who could have still been punished harshly without knowing why, the wg only know what they need to know

[plucky kiln]

Kuina:

• she could have been kidnapped, and zoro was lied to about her having died because of zoros sake perhaps
• she could have been kidnapped, and everyone thought she was dead, because they found a fake body idk
• she could have escaped on her own to become stronger on her own, and zoro could have been lied to by her father because of her wish

But I don't see how her character and mystery will have any role in the upcoming one piece plot
Wano was probably the best opportunity to focus on her

[pure raven]

guys remember back at enies lobby when the sniper king helped them save robin, guess what? i actually think that was usopp! (😱) Think about it, they both have big long noses, they both have big slingshot, and they actually share the same anime voice actor. I’m pretty sure i’m the first person to think of this so yea. Idk if oda will ever confirm this one or what but we’ll see. anyway thanks for reading. tomorrow, i’ll reveal lucy’s identity 😎

[ancient vault]

she could be a revo

[ancient vault]

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[lone hedge]

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[silver sphinx]

All this fire inside the castle makes me think Aokiji is gonna pull up…

[amber oar]

if only there was someone with ice powers there

[last halo]

The erased devil fruit is the Soru Soru no mi Model Shinigami, which is what Zoro is seeing 😌

[olive musk]

Erased?

[last halo]

from history, last chapter

[olive musk]

Oh yeah, the five elders could be talking about that fruit. I think once the DF is awakened, it would make a temporary duplicate copy of the DF user

[pure raven]

CP-0 seems to be this enemy - another Thriller Bark parallel granted ✅

Zoro dies next chhapter, trust I am from the future

Yamato freezes the weapons, which is the same concept - another step in ✅

[primal cargo]

If Zoro & Sanji get back up they should shit on CP0. These guys don't come close to the threat that Kuma represented in Triller Bark imo. We don't know how strong they are exactly of course but to me they haven't been portrayed such a big threat. Unless that happens without Zoro & Sanji ?

[pure raven]

Zoro, Sanji, Luffy. They are the strongest, but they are also in the worst shape. This fight would rely a lot on the weaker members of the crew.

So, SSG or not, CP0 could provide a good fight for the SH combined

[silver sphinx]

Yeah but imagine Aokiji freezing the entire floating island. It’s not just the interior weapons room that’s on fire.

[ancient vault]

i doubt he'd come just for that

[pure raven]

Is anyone considering Yamatos fruit as the 5 Elder Name Fruit? She was in seastone prism for a long time so it was not active for many years and isolated in Wano, just recently thanks to Luffy it has surfaced again!

[cerulean coyote]

Define weaker.

[ancient vault]

doesnt strike me as important enough

[pure raven]

no need for a definition. In the context I said Zoro, Sanji and Luffy are the strongest and in worst shape, so the fight will rely on the weaker members - not Zoro, not Sanji, not Luffy.

weaker than Zoro, Sanji and Luffy, the strongest that I mentioned

[pure raven]

Why wouldnt it? Its literally a mythological deity with crazy abilities. Maybe it has another special feature Yamato doesnt know yet. Kaido if i remember correctly he had problems acquiring it

[pure raven]

nah, her fruit name is self explanatory, it describes exactly what she is.

[cerulean coyote]

Except brook, the ones still standing have defeated (more or less) one of the six: franky, Nami, usop, jimbe. The same result got cp0 vs Drake.

[ancient vault]

Hows that related to the World Government centuries ago or Zunesha in any way?

[pure raven]

yeah, and Kaidou would also get the same result.

Not to say CP-0 are as strong as Kaidou, but all we know is that they are stronger than Drake.

and, again, my theory allows for more development on what the enemy that will fight the SH is

[cerulean coyote]

In your opinion, who was the strongest six?

[pure raven]

how is this relevant?

[cerulean coyote]

In following your thought, I'm trying to understand if the weaker sh have a chance...

[pure raven]

well all the SH destroyed Oars. I am talking about them combined defeating an enemy.

If CP-0 is that enemy, they will get destroyed

[cerulean coyote]

You said good fight. I would like to know if you thought about an out come.

[pure raven]

its the fruit of the Guardian Deity of Wano

[frail pulsar]

.

[primal cargo]

It's just CP0 doesn't feel like a "combined fight" enemy ? They're just two dudes

[cerulean coyote]

3 on Onigashima

And you have two long range ppl (usop /nami+zeus)

[pure raven]

and, again, my theory allows for more development on what the enemy that will fight the SH is

it doesn't have to be just CP-0, they could have something prepared to fight the Straw Hats. My only guess is SSG.

What this chapter did was confirm that the WG will be the parallel to Oars - the enemy who had the Straw Hats only and specifically as a target. So they will be the enemy the SH combined will fight.

[cerulean coyote]

Its kinda sad. The wg ships might bring the ssg (and I want to see it). On the other hand, it could become an enies lobby situation (with nowhere to run) and I want to see the afterfight party.

The best Solution would be dropping onigashima on the ships and make the boats explode

[pure raven]

Well SSG gets defeated by the SH combined - this proves the strength of the SSG.
The ships get sent home by Zunesha.

We get the after party

[ancient vault]

I dont think SSGs first appearance is gonna be a defeat

Oda didnt do the same with the Pacifista. I heavily doubt hes gonna do that. That'd just be sad tbh

[pure raven]

that's a personal feeling

[ancient vault]

like a good amount of 99% ppl wont like it

[pure raven]

but sure, we can also just see what the SSG did to the other Shichibukai before its appearance in Wano

[ancient vault]

and if they get beat by the SHs theyre laughable

[pure raven]

it's an easy problem to solve tbh

[primal cargo]

A fight vs the SSG assumes the WG ships make it to Wano doesn't it. So Zunesha can't sink them

[pure raven]

this is your feeling about other people's feelings, but I understand your stance

[pure raven]

or the SSG is activated and just flies there. We have no idea of what it is to impose limits like that, I think

[cerulean coyote]

Ssg Force should be on par with shikibukai. Sh is yonko level now...

[primal cargo]

I feel pretty confident about that feeling regarding other people's feelings as well

[pure raven]

not really, it should be stronger than them in general

[ancient vault]

I wanna restrain from calling it bad writing cause it really would just be that. The SSG is supposed to be this insane power capable of replacing warlords like Boa or even Mihawk. Theyre supposed to be the trump card in defeating yonkos and most likely playing a huge role in the final war.
If they just get shit on by the SHs while Sanji Luffy and Zoro are completely out (maybe sanji not) then thats just bad

And that has nothing to do with my feelings really.

[ancient vault]

have a hard time believing that

Franky didnt get any stronger after this fight nor did Jinbei. Brook didnt. Nami got a broken power up - fair. Usopp didnt. Robin did but she seems to be weakened

Luffy and Zoro are out after this war. Sanji is maybe still up not sure

Yeah thats ignoring the fact those up are exhausted and injured

[cerulean coyote]

Franky got the sword 😂

[pure raven]

"bad writing" is your feeling still. There are multiple ways to get over this.

The SSG should be strong, I agree. Getting shit on by all the SH (Sanji, Luffy and Zoro included, they're just more damaged) is not that bad.

I said the fight would rely more on the weaker ones, not that it would only rely on them.

And we don't know how many of the SSG weapons/units are created. We don't know if they as a whole are meant to stop Yonko or if a single unit is.

It could be an easy "we sent 3 for each Shichibukai, we had one left for you"

[ancient vault]

whatever im not really interested in arguing this. Sure u can think that

[primal cargo]

Maybe similarly to the Pacifista, which are the most reasonable parallel to the SSG. The Pacifista were an overwhelming force, but when there was only one it was still a fair match for the Strawhats.

[pure raven]

yes, something like that

[primal cargo]

Not a TB parallel anymore though

[ancient vault]

they were completely out after that fight. Every single member went all out. If you think thats happening. Cool. I dont think so

[pure raven]

bigger in numbers, so each unit doesn't have to be able to destroy a Yonko

[pure raven]

yeah, I can see that. But that's also why they'd be doing this together

That parallel theory is more of a "we can have this parallel, here are some ways we could get there". I talk about the SSG as a "could be" exactly because it's a bit more of a stretch than the others

[pure raven]

sorry, didn't see this.

It is indeed a TB parallel. The first time we saw a "Pacifista" was Kuma himself in TB.

CP-0/WG are the Oars, the enemy targetting the Straw Hats.
SSG unit would be the Kuma, the first time seeing the new WG science project

[primal cargo]

Yeah I guess you're right. The important part of that potential parallel is that the enemy comes up unexpectedly shortly after the fight is over

[clear isle]

Anybody got any theories about wtf happened to zoro?

[pure raven]

I happen to have

[clear isle]

What is it

[pure raven]

[broken basin]

Zoro got demons XD

[pure raven]

TLDR: I think Zoro is dying. His soul is leaving his body and Brook, through Devil Fruit Awakening, is there to stop that process.

---

Pretty simple, he got damaged by two Yonko and the brat called Alber. The drug he took multiplies that damage - he's about to die, Chopper is concerned this is what's happening.

With death, the soul comes out of the body, as seen with Brook. However, while the soul is leaving, the person is not already dead, as seen with Lao G. The soul goes up, but this process can be interrupted. [ch771 - image 1]

So we have alive > soul leaves the body > dead (soul left to the other world). There are 3 stages.

This is where Brook enters, he ate the Yomi Yomi no Mi, and is therefore a Reviving/Come-back Human.

When Brook died, his soul left the body (stage 2) and went to the land of the dead (stage 3) [ch443 - image 2]. The power prevented the soul from staying in the stage 3, so it went to stage 2. So Brook's power, in essence, is stopping the soul from going to the underworld.

Brook's power is a Paramecia. Paramecia power | awakenings:

• Doffy's: creates string | turns other things into string.

• Katakuri's: creates mochi | turns other things into mochi.

• Kid's: controls magnetism | gives other things magnetic properties.

• Law's: creates a Room | gives other things (his sword) the properties of Room. (his sword extends at will and is intangible, like Room).

• Brook's: stops his soul from going to the underworld | stops other people's souls from going to the underworld.

Therefore, the "grim reaper" we see in 1038 is Brook in his Awakening. He's there to buy Zoro a bit more time by stopping his soul from going stage 3.

Of course, this power should have limitations, so if Zoro isn't treated soon, his soul will just leave again, and we have reason to believe Brook can't do awakening forever (stamina limit shown by Law and Kidd).

This is me messing around with paint and illustrating how I think this could happen. LMAO

[celest swan]

That zoro face is amazing

[primal cargo]

Very cool idea !
I wouldn't mind if the reaper we're seeing is the actual Death though, even if Brook intervenes from the outside

[vestal orbit]

that sounds cool but would brook already be awakened? think it might come across as a bit too convenient if he randomly happens to awaken his devil fruit at the perfect time to save zoro

[primal cargo]

Well that's what happens in manga

[broken basin]

Idk throughout wano TSH have been getting some pretty sick upgrades

[surreal oriole]

Isn't brook still tied up with keeping Robin safe?

In expecting franky to blast through that thing right b4 it swings on zoro.. but ur idea is way cooler

[slate mirage]

What would a Robin awakening be?

[vestal orbit]

still, the process of awakening is probably something that takes a ton of effort exertion etc etc

not much room for that when brook's probably just planning on grabbing zoro and taking him to safety

...is what i wanted to say but in retrospect brook's fruit would probably let him see zoro starting to die, letting him realize he needs to fight the reaper or block its slash or whatever

his fruit's established to let him hurt homies and presumably other spiritual entities too, so in retrospect this theory makes perfect sense nevermind

[primal cargo]

My idea (in relation with my theory about Law) is that she could create parts of her body, and then entire copies of herself, that can act independently of her control. Basically a true clone that could live her own Robin life.
Then no one could ever hope to silence her for good anymore

[slate mirage]

Interesting,although weird

[primal cargo]

I know right, Idk how much I believe in it, it's mostly a follow-up to the idea that Awakening could allow effects to work autonomously from the user

[spring stirrup]

I think Luffy could beat Kaido any chapter now

[pure raven]

Let's see, he could've found out some way during timeskip...

Since the awakening prevents the soul from going to the other world, it doesn't bring back from the underworld souls that have already been taken there.

There was really no one relevant dying recently that I remember for Brook to reveal he has this power.

Other than Yasuie...
When Yasuie died... Brook was there. However, imagining even if he was close enough and quick enough, once the soul came back, Yasu would die anyway, because his wounds were so bad.

That's why I say, as a limitation of Brook's power, that the awakening doesn't make it so the reasons for the death stop existing, and the person would need treatment anyway.

[pure raven]

I think Brook is the "reaper" here, if that wasn't clear.

[primal cargo]

I'd imagine the limitation to be : he can hold your soul in the world of the living for as long as he's able, you have to stop being dead during that time or else you're still dead when he releases it

[vestal orbit]

oh wait misread yea

[night karma]

I absolutely love this and I was wondering if the soul leaving the body could actually play into this lol, great

[pure raven]

that's interesting too... doesn't really play well with how I imagine it, but it doesn't oppose it either, so sure

[primal cargo]

I still like the idea that Zoro wills himself back to life, Brook could give him the means to do so

[reef sandal]

remember tho that brook can already manipulate people's souls through his music
so it's not even a stretch for him to be able to develop that power

[primal cargo]

Imagine if Brook just has the ability to keep people from dying from now on, that'd be a problem wouldn't it

Hence Zoro being a badass should play a part ?

[pure raven]

well that's why I already thought of some limitations:

• he can't bring back souls that are already gone, only stop them in stage 2
• it doesn't remove the causes of death from the equation
• it's limited by number of times he can do this - stamina, etc.

Yours also plays within the second one up there:

• the person needs to be able to live (eg. by treating the cause of death / GUTS!)

I guess Zoro can be the GUTS!! guy until Franky transports him into Chopper's arms

[primal cargo]

Alright we have a deal

[silver sphinx]

My first thought with the Grim Reaper was Black Maria’s illusions. If not her then one of her subordinates.

[mortal field]

That could work, like if someone died by drowning. As long as the water was removed from the body and all the injuries are cured Brook can bring them back.

[pure raven]

I think this has all the right to be correct.

Now on Brook being in the basement - yes, he is and yes, I think this is a decent counter.

The basement B2 is, however, above the ground compared to the outside. So it's not like Brook would go from the underground. And there's a pretty big hole right there, made by King.

[pure raven]

yeah, and as long as the soul isn't already in the other world, in which case Brook was just not quick enough

[mortal field]

It would also give Brook the upgrade he needs from Wano

Him being able to directly take people souls if they fear him like how Soul King works would be nice

[pure raven]

hm, I guess that would be too much like Big Mom's.

But he can do something like that with music, as seen in WCI

[silver sphinx]

Wait. What if Brook briefly resurrects the soul of the giant from the skull?

[pure raven]

oh as you referenced too

[mortal field]

The only reason i suggest this is because its not rare for df to become close to others (mochi mochi close to gum gum, arms arms close to dice dice)

[silver sphinx]

Idk y he would but i just thought it would be sick

[heady parrot]

During the “nothing happened” moment in Thriller Bark, Oda said Zoro would’ve actually died had his soul not gotten lost on its way to the afterlife and decided to just go back to his body. Maybe Death is very aware of Zoro dodging him last time and has come to collect Zoro’s soul himself. If it’s really Death himself and Brooks is aware of him / has yomi yomi no mi maybe Brook will defend Zoro to parallel Robin saving Sanji and as a way for Brook to repay Zoro for saving his shadow in Thriller Bark.

[pure raven]

In my theory that wouldn't work

That soul, if it exists, is too far gone. It's already in the underworld. Brook's power would be to stop it from going there, not to bring it back.

[silver sphinx]

Perhaps the Yomi Yomi no mi is more OP than we think

[pure raven]

idk if you guys saw, this is my take on it

[mortal field]

More like Brook is getting more creative

[pure raven]

I know that's most likely wrong bsc the time just won't add up but it would be great if the fruit the gorosei were talking last chapter was actually yomi yomi no mi

And bringing people back would be this awakening

[pure raven]

why would it be? the name describes the power quite right

Oh I forgot about that part ..

[pure raven]

that's the awakening of the yomi yomi already, from my big message:

[mortal field]

I like the art

[pure raven]

heheheh

[heady parrot]

i like this theory. and then maybe the awakened df the gorosei are talking about is brooks and this is how oda will segue into brooks past (maybe explain the scar on his head). brook was on a ship by himself for a long ass time and who knows how long it’s been since someone has used the yomi yomi before brook and how long since someone has gone as far as brook with it as he has?

a power to stave off death is probably pretty concerning to the wg

[pure raven]

I don't think the connection is quite right though. Brook's fruit name explains exactly what it does. The WG wouldn't really be hiding anything

[heady parrot]

tbf he definitely can do more than just revive as he’s demonstrated.

[pure raven]

I think you're right but if brook actually have ability to bring back other people it would be so op that Oda can't just drop it without some greater importance

[pure raven]

well there is greater importance imo. And the power would be limited just enough for it not to be a problem.

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[primal cargo]

Well, do you guys think the Yomi-Yomi fruit has existed for centuries ? I always assumed Brook was its first and last user ever, since any previous user should have stayed around until the present day. But maybe alternatively, the previous user was alive until shortly before Brook's time, they died in a mysterious way and just then did the fruit reappear.
If the Yomi-Yomi fruit is documented in the One Piece world, it would be natural for people to assume the fruit isn't real. Since the first person to eat it gets to keep it forever. Therefore that fruit would become "a legend".

[heady parrot]

there’s nothing implying it allows you to live forever

[pure raven]

I think they'd change the name of the fruit to something else if they wanted to hide the effect.

[heady parrot]

it’s described as a second life not necessarily an infinite one or the eternal youth surgery would be useless.

[pure raven]

how would it be useless?

[primal cargo]

Brook would die on the spot if it was possible for him to die. His body doesn't work. Brook is only possible if the fruit keeps you alive forever I think

[pure raven]

not really, souls are lifespan in One Piece

his soul can just run out, I'm assuming

[primal cargo]

That does make sense

[pure raven]

that actually makes a lot of sense, great theory
the only thing that questionable to me is if the moment it's kinda big enough like maybe it would just feel more right if brook eg used it on luffy after kaido fight or something

well saving a crewmate is big enough, I'd say

[pure raven]

Like I really like the idea but something just feels wrong

[ashen spindle]

I am not sure if we can speculate anyhow on this. Does anyone ever asked Oda about this specific Devil Fruit and how it works or how Brook can possibly die? His crew died long ag and that's when his fruit activated.

[pure raven]

actually, speculation dies when Oda confirms something

[primal cargo]

Well speculate is what we can do
Maybe Big Mom could kill him ? He's nothing but a soul pretty much
I had a theory that potentially many Devil Fruits could allow for something like the Immortality Surgery where you give your life for something. Maybe that could be true and apply to Brook ?

[bitter kraken]

I’m gonna say that zoro is hallucinating and who he’s actually seeing is hyori trying to help him

[silver sphinx]

lol

[fathom matrix]

well, Hiyori's with Orochi and I doubt she's gonna let him out of her sights, unless she was able to cut off his last head.

I think it's 2 things.

1. Zoro's so damaged and in so much pain, he's dying, but the damage is causing Zoro to Halluscinate the grim reaper.

2. Black Maria's illusion mist could perhaps still be lurking in some places, so the fact he's dying plus the mist = Zoro imagining the grim reaper

so yeah, for def a halluncination, but it's either knocking on death's door, and/or the mist

[bitter kraken]

Yeah those make more sense then my idea lol, it’s just the first panel where we see the reaper reminds of hyori when zoro first met her and saved her from killer

[pure raven]

very cool theory overall! I disagree with one statement tho:

[ancient vault]

Thats a random fodder. You dont let your main spy just die in an enemys territory

[pure raven]

who said "main spy"?

he'd just be a random pirate working for BB too

[ancient vault]

well I like to imagine if you give Caribou a role like that u make him important. Either way I doubt it. He entered the scene in Paradiese before FMI why would he be there if hes already working for BB whos in the New world

[pure raven]

If Caribou is a pirate under BB, that's the same as being a spy

Caribou wasn't sent to spy on anything when we see him after the ts

[ancient vault]

Then why isnt he waving Blackbeards flag?

the guys from jaya did it with Doffys

[pure raven]

that's a good question

[ancient vault]

the only argument really is that hes a hidden spy which then in return brings up the question why is he in paradise seemingly starting from new

[pure raven]

but the point of BB not caring stands either way

[pure raven]

he could become a spy in the timeskip

oh wait

[ancient vault]

hes in paradise why isnt he in the new world yet. BB was alrady in the NW before the TS

[pure raven]

hm.. this has happened with Apoo and Drake too tho

[ancient vault]

I think the best argument is which I made. He admires Blackbeard because he either heard of him or he met him some time before the TS and he wishes for his validation

[terse spire]

gear 2nd is just hypertension

[ancient vault]

they went straight to the new world tho? before the TS not after

Drake and Apoo became members of Kaidos crew in the new world not in paradise

[pure raven]

well Drake and Apoo could be under the marines / Kaidou before entering the NW too

[ancient vault]

drake was a marine as a kid

[ancient vault]

and no they werent they said it

[pure raven]

where

[ancient vault]

It was said Drake as a young teen was taking in by Sengoku + we saw him attack Scotch in the New World right after MF to attract Kaidos attention so he can join the crew. His mission as SWORD was already set before the TS.

[pure raven]

should've said respectively

[ancient vault]

? Isnt that what I just said. Either way I dont understand what Drake being in the marines have to do with that.

And lets say Apoo was part of Kaidos crew long before sabaody then why exactly is he in sabaody? And nowhere else in the new world? Why is he in paradise

[pure raven]

the disagreement is on Apoo

[ancient vault]

We know Apoo tried to invade BMs territory

[pure raven]

but yeah, "why?" is the question, not having an answer doesn't mean there is none

[ancient vault]

Having no answer can exactly mean that theres no reason because he wasnt in Kaidos crew

[pure raven]

but anyway, all this bc I said BB doesn't care about subordinates. The rest of the theory is still interesting, and Caribou meeting the actual spy would also be interesting

[pure raven]

can exactly

[ancient vault]

yes can

whatever

[pure raven]

lack of evidence is not evidence of lack, it just isn't in favor of the contrary

[ancient vault]

Ur supposed to have the evidence. The story already tells it in my favor

[pure raven]

there's no disagreement there

[pure raven]

bc I'm just saying about Caribou being a member of the BB since Paradise is:

• it's possible, bc there's no proof of the contrary
• not against BB's nature to not care about the subordinate being imprisoned

The questions would be "why" Caribou would be a member. And why he doesn't have the flag.

I even prefer it more or less as you have in your theory tbh

[lofty flame]

Finished reading 1038 and immediately 2 thoughts came to mind: The Grim Reaper scene is gonna turn into a Brook joke “yo ho ho! I heard you need a hand…”. While Luffy finishes Kaido: Zoro Kills Kazenbo the fire demon with foxfire technique.

[visual merlin]

Im curious, how'd you get to the second conclusion

[carmine plover]

He wants to be in a strong crew, but he also doesn't like people knowing he's an underling

[twilit rain]

if brook is there why is franky going to place where zoro is we got the map. Maybe it is from black Maria

also brook is keeping robin safe from cp0

[lofty flame]

Is Franky on his way to Zoro? I thought Franky wasn’t anywhere near him. Just exposition. I honestly lost track of Brook because he really hasn’t been shown much in the past few chapters iirc

Interesting

[rough helm]

Kinemon doing it seems more fitting

[royal agate]

did my theory get deleted?

NOOO ITS CUZ I REFRENCED JOJO but i kinda needed that as an example to make sense

[royal agate]

i dont think luffy is gonna finish kaido off as simple like lucci in eneis lobby

i have a huge feeling the world gov. coming for a reason and blackbeard being the pussy he is and not fight but come last minute and take kaido's fruit

[tall hatch]

Blackbeard finna slide through and yeet kaidos fruit

[royal agate]

fr pussy ass never seen this mans actually fight all he does is run when he's about to loose

even akainu came back to whitebeard after getting his ass beat

[modest skiff]

!theories @royal agate @tall hatch this channel isn’t intended for light hearted discussion.

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using #manga-theories for any joke theories you may have. This channel is strictly for serious discussion on the realm of possibilities one truly believes in, and can explain in a manner that conveys why. Please consider this a general warning.

[tall hatch]

I was being serious. He's gonna get three fruits.

That's a well known theory

[grand walrus]

it is possible the zoro is seeing things and its just brook there to save him. it would be pretty lame though

[vale current]

Lmao that would be lame asf but I'd like it if it's serious dark shit

[lusty belfry]

Hey u guys think zoro will die oda did tell that on straw hat will die but I don't think zoro will die but I do think there will be some side effects on him which will make him kinda weak like weaker than sanji and have a lot of draw back in future fights

[obsidian lark]

They're saying that the grim reaper was Doc Q of BB pirates

[vale current]

That reckons an old cover page theory

[pure raven]

im still going with the theory that the reaper is enma trying to take the last bit of zoros haki and since zoro is at the brink of death he is communicating with enma is a spiritual way in his daze.

[vale current]

Be he's scared of that how is it a talk

[pure raven]

what

[vale current]

Zoros scared out by that how is he talking to it

[pure raven]

dont think of it as literally talking

think of it more like zoro is seeing the true enma

[vale current]

Yea got the point

[prime bluff]

How does law sword become big

[weak arrow]

his awakening

@prime bluff ask these questions in #manga or #also-manga next time

[prime bluff]

This is manga theories

I cannot discuss spoilers in manga

[weak arrow]

using that logic, this isn't called #spoiler-theories so you shouldnt post in here either.... Regardless, once we ping for the chapter in #announcements you are free to talk about it in #manga #also-manga and make theories here in #manga-theories

[prime bluff]

So what I am supposed to talk about in manga theories

That shanks stole gomu gomu for ace

Franky is gonna save Zoro

[weak arrow]

Either post a serious theory to discuss or discuss a theory that has already been posted in the channel.

If you're just gonna put a general statement like "Franky is gonna save zoro," that's not really fitting for #manga-theories and would be better placed in #manga or #also-manga

[prime bluff]

This channel is more fun than other channel

That's why I interact here more

[night lava]

Anyone has theories as to what id the grim reaper that showed infront of zoro?

As for me i do think its just a visual manifistation of the effect of the drug he intaked

[weak arrow]

The main and only sensical theory is that he's seeing a hallucination as a side effect of the mink medicine

[night lava]

Oh i see

[weak arrow]

Granted, there's variations of that, such as, maybe he's seeing Brook + Robin as that hallucination or maybe all of it is in his head

[pure raven]

@night lava

[night lava]

🤔

[torpid mist]

Its kozaburo's spirit from the grave sayin "o shit ur that kid from the village"

[waxen light]

I’m proud of you

[pure raven]

what does this mean

[waxen light]

Good theory

To shut the naysayers up

[tidal berry]

Maybe Hiyori is Catarina Devon using her fruit powers and the grim reaper is doc q? 😳

[muted ember]

It's Brook and Robin

[rapid fern]

That would very insane if it is...I’m all in

[formal marsh]

I don't want OPPW4 to be right

[pure raven]

[queen ether]

And gets revived by brook

[pure raven]

[muted ember]

I think it's Brook and Robin in a disguise, and maybe some enemies were about to attack Zoro from behind as he's waking up

[pure raven]

@pure raven he could be

[pure raven]

[pure raven]

@pure raven glad you asked, I am shilling this theory since forever (yesterday).

Brook would be there to save Zoro using his awakening.

It's either Enma, Grim Reaper himself or hallucination

It's not Brook💀

[pure raven]

read the theory above

[muted ember]

If CP0 was in the 2nd basement w them and they're in the 1st basement now after being stalled, Brook could have made it outside by now

[pure raven]

Ik how dumb you are

[pure raven]

yo? this is a place to discuss theories

I ain't wasting my time on your theory stoopid

Anyways come back to BDA

[muted ember]

Brook is the Occam's Razor explanation

[pure raven]

It is. Right next to hallucinations, which don't need many leaps either

[pliant tundra]

Shanks stole gomu gomu fruit because Blackbeard also wants to steal it from the WG

[queen ether]

You think he knew of his motives?

It’s possible though

[pliant tundra]

I think it's possible since he gave shank's scar

[night lava]

Shanks stole it to sell it

[pliant tundra]

So he's probably aware of BB

[ashen plaza]

Lol..Shanks would be stupid if he allowed the fruit BB wants to seen in a village..Like, there's 0.00001%of it bei ng lost... but okay..He lost his arm to a sea king afterall

[pure raven]

he got the bb scar before he even met luffy

[pure raven]

what's so special about the gomu gomu no mi?

[pure raven]

so he encountered bb likely before he even had the fruit

also the gum-gum fruit was stolen from an enemy ship who's ship was it?

[pliant tundra]

I mean the WG was guarding the fruit so it's probably something special

[pliant tundra]

Shanks stole it from who's who

[upbeat flower]

I think luffys fruit is definitely special

Whether or not it’s the fruit the world government are talking about

[warm nexus]

Big Mom will not die, Law and Kidd would successfully hold off BM until Luffy wins. Once it is announced, retreat mode because Kaido's a key player in her Pirate King plan. She sees Perosporo knocked out and as she exit. Orders homies to carry him. She exits just in time as their ship has climbed up the waterfall.

[primal cargo]

Could happen. But if Big Mom just runs away right after the raid, her presence in Wano will have been pretty pointless imo.
I think whatever reason Kaido has for wanting to control Wano, Big Mom is more than likely also interested in. So I expect Big Mom to stay in Wano and try to achieve whatever Kaido wanted to achieve there.

[muted ember]

If she's not defeated, Big Mom will not abandon Wano without the Road Poneglyph. If Kaido goes down she would save him bc he's the only way she can get it for now

[abstract pond]

I can see Big Mom dying by her own powers. Isn't killing herself already to get a power boost?

[primal cargo]

Yes but that can't be how she "goes down" as an antagonist in the story. Imagine if Crocodile poisoned himself on accident and died mid-fight

[pure raven]

What if I told you that Blackbeard is after POSEIDON... that's why he said "we have to be there before the marines" or something along those lines.. The World government found out about the mermaid Princess and Blackbeard received the same info

[muted ember]

How?

[abstract pond]

I was thinking after the fight, when Kidd and Law defeat her

[primal cargo]

Ah if you're still on that side then sure that could happen. Though would "death by overuse of her power" fit her character ? It's not like she's been consuming her own lifespan the whole time, it's only happened once. Unlike for instance the new fishman pirates who from the start were clearly happy to make sacrifices for power

[hazy badge]

She lost 1 year lol not much

and she can always take more lifespan from fodder and shit, BM is basically immortal

[proper ore]

nah franky's gonna radical beam the soul reaper

[abstract pond]

Big Mom restraining herself isn't something you see her do often. So woulf fit her.
I don't think Kaido nor Big Mom are gonna die in battle. And I don't know why people been obsessed with that idea.

[somber edge]

[primal cargo]

Are people obsessed with this really ? Personally I don't think either of them is going to die at all

[fathom matrix]

Kaido I can kinda see cause wano may not rest or feel safe knowing he's alive, but I sure hell don't think Luffy's gonna kill him.

Big Mom, for sure no.

I think one of the scabbards, zoro or someone important's gonna take his head or kill him.

Hell, what if Zoro cutting off the head of that punk hazard dragon and Kaido slicing Orochi's head was foreshadowing?

[abstract pond]

I have seen many. And some even take it for granted.

[abstract pond]

If you think a straw hat is willing to execute someone who isn't fighting back...

[copper frost]

Zoro cut a dragon that was made in tribute to Kaido by his greatest subordinate, which also provided to be a parallel to the panel in Monsters. If you think Zoro is doing to Kaido anymore than that, after all we've seen Zoro do on the rooftop as well as with King and the whole reaper situation last chapter, then I don't know what to say

[abstract pond]

And crocodile and doflamingo weren't killed either and people felt safe after Luffy defeated them

[fathom matrix]

Those are fair points, but yeah, I don't think a straw hat would ever walk up to someone and just slice them

I could see someone from wano or one of the scabbards "executing" kaido for his crimes. Like I don't fully know what is and isn't immoral to them, but the fact they lack any respect for Kaido, I wouldn't put it past them cutting him down while defeated.

[copper frost]

Zoro would do nothing to Kaido, because Enma would eat away at Haki and Kaido is a monstrous tank that can take more damage even with CoCting that Enma is oozing out that at some point, Kaido would just bust Zoro's ass out of Onigashima

[primal cargo]

I don't think any amount of violence alone can kill or seriously hurt Kaido. His battle with Luffy is really a battle of willpower.

[fathom matrix]

fair, unless they pulled another "zoro, here's a second mink drug, but you'll get 4 times the damage backlash" which, no, I don't think Oda would pull BS like that

[copper frost]

I can see the Scabbards doing something but I think Oda is going to avert from him even being dead, Kaido desires a grand death that the world sees to him as something being on par with the likes of Roger, Whitebeard and Oden, I think Oda will steer clear of any sort of death for Kaido

[fathom matrix]

That's a point.

Maybe his punishment is that he won't get what he won't get the death he desires, and has to live with being defeated and losing everything.

[abstract pond]

I doubt Zoro is gonna fight Kaido ever again. Zoro defeated King already and it's in pretty bad spot right now.
Luffy is the one to defeat Kaido.

[copper frost]

How they keep him down at this point having been captured and escaped captivity so many times that it remains sort of permanent remains to be seen, if he does get death, I do like seeing Big Mom do something in that regard, as alliances and pirates in Kaido's worldview is primarily built on the foundations of treachery and betrayal

[fathom matrix]

Nah, I am very sure she won't die. Cause we also have the tat land and Germa 66 cover story RN, and I can imagine it becomes a mess and she comes back to a shit ton of discourse and damage.

[copper frost]

No I mean Big Mom plays some part in his death

[primal cargo]

Well my theory is that Big Mom takes his soul after his will is broken by his defeat vs Luffy, and that leaves as a frail geezer, unable to fight ever again and left to await a death from old age

[fathom matrix]

Oh my mistake....yaknow what, yeah. She's definately a pirate in the regard of betrayals and sneaky tactics

[primal cargo]

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/rnnhdm/big_mom_will_take_kaidos_soul/

[fathom matrix]

OH ACTUALLY

that's a food theory

Like, even if Kaido's got an iron strong will, suffering defeat and being badly damaged would make it eaiser.

ONLY THING IS, do you have to be conscious for her to take your soul?

[primal cargo]

I don't think that's a particularly big issue, he could be conscious but unable to move like Luffy after Rob Lucci for example

[copper frost]

Yeah, you have to be conscious, she's basically seeking something or your death, it's like an if else statement in real life

[primal cargo]

Regarding the "iron strong will", I think that's precisely what will make it possible.
Soul Pocus exploits one's "fear of death" or "attachment to life". Kaido's unparalleled will to survive, whatever the circumstances until the day he can have a "glorious" death, can be the catalyst for that

[copper frost]

I think Kaido isn't willing to let go of his life normally or in a demeaning way, the catalyst here being the glorious death that the greatest people in his generation and the generation before him recieved that he saw changed the world and him, is the desire he holds, so his iron clad will being defeated by Luffy and him not recieving death that is worth or r of the calibre of his greatest contemporaries can be a great issue for him and can prove to be something big mom can exploit

[hazy badge]

You know what, this isnt a bad shout

[fathom matrix]

This might sound like a dumb idea, but there is the whole thing about Joyboy and Kaido being interested in it. Luffy to him seems like a candidate for Joyboy and I bet after Luffy beats him, he'll finally admit and aknowledge he's the true successor to him.

Maybe they have a back and fourth conversation while badly hurt, and maybe Luffy might make a joke saying "Yaknow, I don't talk to a look of people I beat up" and him and Kaido talk about pirate king, and why they want to be it, Luffy tells Kaido his true dream (we don't hear it/see it) but Kaido laughs and says "it's an immature and dumb dream, but damn is it a good one"

Maybe Big Mom after she wakes up from being defeated, sees almost everyone's gone, and so she (while badly injured) makes it to the roof.

She sees Kaido and Luffy, and Big Mom walks over to take Luffy's soul, but Kaido who mustered up a little bit of energy, intervenes and asks what she's doing?

Big Mom says "Killing straw hat of course. Why on earth are you saving him?" But Kaido says "Oh, I'm not saving him, you're just in the way" (but Kaido is saving him, only because he's interested as to how Luffy lives up to the joy boy name and if he can succeed).

But Big Mom's takes Kaido's soul instead.

So it's not Kaido wanting to sacrifice his life for him intentionally, seeing him as a friend or what not. He's sort of interested about where Luffy will go, and if he can live up to that Joyboy title, that Kaido never could

[primal cargo]

This is a cool idea ! But I'm not sure it's possible. Like we were saying earlier, for Big Mom to be able to take his soul, we need a specific context where his will his broken & he feels fear for his life. Sacrificing himself for Luffy wouldn't lead to that, would it ? It would be a situation similar to the Jinbei one, where he was willing to let her take his life and that's precisely why she couldn't.

[fathom matrix]

That's true. It could be a case where she honestly just straight up stabs him or cuts off his head

But yeah, I think he would have to be scared or have a broken will

[primal cargo]

The reason why I thought of Big Mom taking Kaido's soul in the first place, is because they're a perfect match. He can't die because his will to live is so strong, she can only kill people who don't want to die.

[copper frost]

I think as Salmy mentioned, and as demonstrated by Jinbei, the idea of her claiming a soul is placed on the fear of death in exchange for a life or anything of value to her

[polar bison]

“your theory” my man’s i’ve been rocking this flair for a year

[copper frost]

I'm iffy on how Kaido exactly dies or if he doesn't at all, maybe Big Mom escapes without having something to do with Kaido, but I can't see that happening when she's so invested in Kaido and joining him so I can see her do something there when she realises Kaido has been defeated

[primal cargo]

I've only been really into One Piece for a few months but I'm glad other people have thought the same thing
Is your idea the same one I was talking about ?

[polar bison]

yea!! nice to hear someone else talking abt it

there’s a nice lil poetry to kaidou fearing death so much in his final moments because it comes from bm of all people and that’s how she gets him

[copper frost]

His whole worldview of pirates inherently favouring betrayal comes into play here as well

[polar bison]

and bm as the pirate most favoring it is the perfect person to fulfill this role

hence why oda’s been setting her up for it since chapter 907

[primal cargo]

I'd say since Kaido's introduction as a man who won't die and Soul Pocus' introduction as the perfect(?) counter to that

[polar bison]

im saying bm has actually specifically been planning to betray since then

[copper frost]

i am not entirely sure, nor am i entirely going to be sure on that but that's a huge possibility and certainly has a great amount of buildup and narrative potential

[copper frost]

cool page this

[clear isle]

Sorry for the late reply its cuz i went to sleep, but isn't zoro already took Luffy whole lifetime's pain, and nothing happened to him, don't u see its kinda weird that he would die from that only? Although ik its too much demage.

[primal cargo]

Right ! Also that "you owe me a lifelong debt" business

[copper frost]

that lifelong debt being the ability kaido has, that enabled him to gather power and become the "strongest creature in the world" so to speak

[pure raven]

I mean, want to compare hakkai MULTIPLIED plus all the other damage to whatever he and Luffy had to endure in TB?

[polar bison]

posted it to point out that BM’s been planning the alliance from day 1, and coupled w her conversation w Perospero outside Onigashima, we can essentially gather she’s been planning to betray kaidou from the start

[clear isle]

As i remember Kuma got out Luffy's pain, not only the pain he had in TB but his WHOLE life, and we know that Luffy's durability is insane, but i think Zoro's is better

[pure raven]

bruh, it was the pain Luffy had at the moment, Kuma didn't take his random fall when Luffy was 3 years old

[gray creek]

It was only the TB battle damage

[copper frost]

ye i think the betrayal can come from wanting to just escape after searching for the poneglyph which she wont find in vain

[primal cargo]

By the way, BMKK can provide a very direct parallel to Thriller Bark : Moria puts Luffy's shadow in Oars, a giant oni ; Big Mom puts Kaido's soul in the even gianter oni that is the Onigashima head (body's got to be somewhere)

[polar bison]

that’s a castle

[pure raven]

where would the body be? they are flying

[primal cargo]

Somewhere in Wano ? There's room, it's not happening right now

[primal cargo]

Castle is confirmed to have been built inside I believe

[copper frost]

it took kaido 5 years to build the castle as well as the entirety of the surrounding areas, the harbours and shit

[vale current]

Wild big mom gonna be what then

[junior furnace]

reaper is charlotte newshi

[vale current]

Legit Big mom's personal soul reaper

[stiff patrol]

Yeah no lmao that ain’t gon happen

[primal cargo]

Probably not lol that wasn't part of the theory

[strong tulip]

what is the secret devil fruit

[vale current]

We'll know next week 💯

[solid lodge]

how many people on the enemy side are left besides Big Mom Apoo and Kaido?

and the army of course

[copper frost]

Fukurokuju

[copper cobalt]

how do u know for sure?

[upbeat flower]

Apoo isn’t the enemy side

[copper cobalt]

aint he and raizo dead?

[proven sand]

Raizo is cool

[severe wedge]

Luffy is Logia 😳

[runic osprey]

Paramecia

[severe wedge]

Nope with my theory he is logia 😳

[runic osprey]

Whats your theory

Gum gum fruit is paramecia

[severe wedge]

My theory is Luffy is star

Nope gum gum is logia

Search star in here

[runic osprey]

Luffy is ⭐️

Then will turn into a zoan

[keen light]

I got a theory.
What if Red Line was built like how Pyramids was build by slavery or labor? What if the CD had a DF like Otama's DF awakened and control all people of Earth and made a Global Slavery to build Red Line, then someone need to rebel (maybe Joyboy) against this CD to stop the Global Slavery by sending all the slaves into the future by using Time fruit (that somehow maybe Joyboy ate at a later time and figure that its the perfect power to save those people, i figure that JB was the first user before Toki maybe) and thus its called Void Century, and those people that was sent to the future somehow formed Wano. This is just late night thoughts hehe

[gray creek]

I’ll be honest, it doesn’t make any sense at all

Like from the very first sentence

[keen light]

Instant thoughts, i havent though this through

Its 4:10am here havent slept haha

[arctic wave]

cool theory but a lot of things don't add up

[keen light]

Say them and lets think of a solution theory