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[pale swift]

No it wasn't man

[pale swift]

No it was before laugh tale dumbass

28 years ago he fought shiki
25 years ago he found one piece

Get your fucking facts right

[turbid musk]

I mean you were wrong he isn't lying

https://tenor.com/view/drake-nod-yup-tru-no-lie-gif-12957141

Yeah he did get a bit overheated

I mean maybe if you don't want that from him become credible

[jaunty sequoia]

dw bro we all make mistakes

[spice berry]

He has a bunch of discord ids. Don't let him get to your head.

[sand sail]

It's someone that keeps coming back and can't seem to realize they're not welcome, don't worry about it.

If someone comes at you like that in a discussion, you can just grab a mod to sort it out, no need to get upset over sad trolls.

They were, don't worry about it.

[gentle lily]

I finished it, its here: #manga-theories message

I disagree mainly because there are so many plot points that havent been closed yet

That one yeah

thanks!

[boreal gate]

@gentle lily good theory

[clever lintel]

So what would be a good way to write an analysis on the eyepatch character being the giant king? The tl'dr would be he has the final road poneglyph in his eye socket behind his eyepatch.

[frozen roost]

I don’t think giants are that big

Maybe someone like sanjuan wolf

[hoary hatch]

Shiki said that he had heard that Roger had access to an ancient weapon. Their alliance would have had the massive fleet of Shiki combined with the ancient weapon that Roger (according to what Shiki believed) had. ...But this was all something Shiki believed, meanwhile Roger refused the alliance because he never wanted to conquer the world, so we have no clear answer on whether this ancient weapon was the mermaid princess (who hadn't even been born yet) or something else that Roger might have found.

[gentle lily]

Where are you getting that quote? Was it from Chapter 0 or Strong World?

[ancient vault]

chapter 0

[viscid anvil]

Hey guys, I have a theory and a fact to make.

1) Fact - There will definitely be an Elbaf Arc because the warriors of Elbaf and the whole arc about it is tied to the Norse Mythology, with the giants of One piece being the Giants of Joutunheim(One of the 9 Norse Worlds). But basically, in Norse mythology, there was a huge massacre of Giants at one part, and many of them died or were gravely injured, this could be the future or the Past. The future, being that when the Straw Hats reach Elbaf it is either in the middle of a big fight/war. The past being the destruction caused by Big Mom when she was a kid(but this is unlikely).

My main reason for belief that there will definitely be an arc on Elbaf is that Oda basically refers the Warriors of Elbaf as vikings(pirates and looters from sweden, norway, etc. And Oda has told us in his ending notes that he loves vikings.

2)Theory - We have a huge chance of getting Enel in the elbaf arc or its referring arc. This is because in Norse mythology there is a god called Thor, and I feel like most people would know about this god in particular. Anyway, for those who don't know Thor is the most famous norse god, and he is the god of thunder/lightning. And Enel also considers himself as a god, and his Devil Fruit is the Goro Goro No Mi.

Also in Norse Myth, Thor always looks at the Giants Of Joutenhiem as evil and always battles them. This could be connected to the theory that Elbaf is in the middle of a battle/war and Enel is on Team Anti-Giants.

Anyway, I know that this whole theory is based mostly on Norse myth, but I have started reading the manga of One Piece from the beginning (since I was bored, and had watched the anime episodes only till the 1005th episode) and am checking for any foreshadowing Oda has done on this topic. If I find any new/better evidence, I will share it with you guys!

Please let me know your thoughts on this, and what I could have done better when writing the theory since this is my first time writing a theory in detail.

[mint stag]

I didn't see if anyone mention this above, but I didn't really dig to look either, but in the last chapter, why did Cipher Pol make a point to mention by stating "Don't you think that they've already hit... the limits of what human beings can achieve?"?

[modest skiff]

I squinted at that as well. But peak WB is stronger than them, so it’s a weird thing to say.

[mint stag]

"If the New Generation should actually win this battle... It would be massive news. The impact will fan the flames... Of the incidents occurring all over the world as we speak." Are they speaking on events we aren't aware of yet besides what's going on with the WG going after the Shichibukai and the Reverie incident?

[gleaming ferry]

https://youtu.be/RX3d8x1WCBA

[modest skiff]

When posting a video, please include some type of thoughts on it rather than just dropping the link. This channel is intended for higher effort discussion. So a few sentences on your thoughts gives us something to actually discuss. Also, if you use the search function, you'll find we have already discussed this video a few times

[gleaming ferry]

No words

just watch it fam

[modest skiff]

There is already a written version and I've already read it. The theory is bad for a lot of reasons I already described before. See here: #manga-theories message

Also "no words" isn't good enough, so in the future, please do better

[modest skiff]

One of the fundamental qualities of the current world order is the idea that yonkos are fighting each other. If that were not the case, and a couple were to consolidate power, it would be a direct threat to the WG/Navy. Without the in-fighting, the navy would be extremely screwed

Any the navy is stretched thin right now because of trying to eliminate the warlord system

[prime pawn]

One Piece doesn't exist that's the truth at the end

[modest skiff]

Oda already confirmed this isn't true

[mint stag]

Oh yeah, of course. I guess I'm just speculating if they are referring too things not yet shown to us. Blackbeard has to be doing things rn and I wonder if that's another incident they are eluding to.

But idk lol, I guess we could speculate about unsaid things all day lol

I'm just hyped lol

[modest skiff]

also true lol. We really just don't have any information to speculate beyond abolishing warlord system

[mint stag]

Right. I just gotta be cool and patient I guess lol

[modest skiff]

I think you did a great job at showing why you think what you do. Including images is always helpful. Good job at the theory!

Oda definitely takes inspiration from mythology/history, so it feels entirely possible. I think Enel definitely comes back at some point (I am hoping for Wano, but Elbaf would be cool too). Thor/lightning feels like a good connection. But hard to say anything beyond that.

[gleaming ferry]

Laughter is the best medicine man, you completely undercutted the metaphores seen at the end of the video, and what we have seen throughout the show you only mentioned it briefly, as for the noah, you're right when saying the fishman do not need the ship as they can swim themselves. "The fishman made a promise to a great man known as joyboy" in the video, we heard artur saying joyboys objective was to unite the world together, destroy redline/grandline etc. the noah could very possibly been the place where the big party is formed after destroying the lines furthur promoting world piece and unites all seas as one piece. Where did you get this flooding theory from? Multiple times we have been hinted of what artur described but there has been no such hints however about a flood happening , if im wrong my fualt

@modest skiff

[modest skiff]

The boat is big enough that it doesn't make sense to be used for anything other than preserving multiple races IMO. It isn't for giants, fishmen built it, so it must be for avoiding disaster or something

What does laughter as a medicine have to do with sake being the one piece? Maybe I am misunderstanding what you mean

[gleaming ferry]

By the fact of having the giant party, all across the world like ive said, creating peace with one another ending hatreds such as humans and fishman, humans and the tontattas, forming together to unite equally

which attacks the world government head on which explains why they want this to not happen and keep secret

[modest skiff]

But that party would never happen before peace is already established. There is no party without first being on good terms

Its not like Luffy can say 'hey, i found the one piece, lets drink sake' and suddenly the CDs stop raping and enslaving people

The entirety of Bink's Sake (the song) is a ton of metaphors. I think its much more likely that the one piece does something to do the world that people commonly associate with sake. I definitely think it helps to unite the world, perhaps by dethroning the CDs, but for it to be sake itself doesn't really make sense

A song that is entirely metaphors, but sake isn't? and that sake is the one piece? I just don't buy it. Unless this is some special sake that gives someone the ability to control the ocean or something, lol. but that is not what the author of the theory is saying. @gleaming ferry

[abstract pond]

"And One Piece was the power of love/friendship" is not a theory I like xd

[gleaming ferry]

Yeah fam I forgot oda asked if u would like it or not

[amber oar]

It's also not true, Oda confirmed a physical reward

[gleaming ferry]

Not everything is about abilities and powers man, tbh I think you should take a rewatch on the video and I can send you more metaphors and messages

[gleaming ferry]

Sake

In the song when you debunk the messages it shows joyboys achievement and his dreams which others can follow up on

[amber oar]

Oh no an Artur stan

Sake may be part of the whole thing, but there's no way it is the whole thing

[gleaming ferry]

Gold roger couldn’t help with the destruction of the lines because the “human weapons” weren’t born at the time as they only come once every 800 years

The whole thing @amber oar is world peace

And mohdoo I still got no idea what ur talking about with the flooding

[modest skiff]

Hently can you briefly explain how you think sake does anything you're describing. Artur's theories are consistently terrible because he will make jumps in logic for the sake of entertainment. He pays his rent with theories like this. They aren't intended to be factually correct, they just need to make people click. It is just clickbait

[gleaming ferry]

they arent known to be factual yet or correct due to the fact that they are theories, his theories or that theory in specific connected all symbols, arcs, quotes, moments from the show, added them together for a logical theory and something that very well could happen in the show no doubt about it

atleast hes shooting at something, youre whole theory is based on the fact that the one piece world floods but you provided no evidence backing that up, your shooting in the dark

[abstract pond]

Sheeesh

[modest skiff]

You're right, I should say they aren't intended to be rigorously logical. They are entertaining. I am not saying the world needs to flood. I am not making a suggestion as to what the one piece is. I am saying it isn't sake and I am saying a good example of Artur's theory being terrible is the fact that he says a boat is necessary to save fishmen, who can breathe under water

[gleaming ferry]

give me permisions to post pictures in here temporarily is that possible

[modest skiff]

!pics

[lone hedge]

Get a role (pirate/revo/marine/civilian) in #old-role-info to be able to post pictures!

[gleaming ferry]

!pics

[lone hedge]

Get a role (pirate/revo/marine/civilian) in #old-role-info to be able to post pictures!

[gleaming ferry]

the smallest things go undetected all throughout one piece

i got more hold up

[modest skiff]

I agree, Oda adds a lot of small nuance that can sometimes be hard to pick up on

[gleaming ferry]

every time the one piece is talked about in the show directly sake is shown, smallest details

[modest skiff]

Sake is not present in this panel

[gleaming ferry]

in right before that moment he thought back at a moment where him and gold roger shared a cup of sake

one piece is the whole world being put together and not divided to how it is now

[modest skiff]

Sharing sake has consistently been a sign of friendship and has been in the story in many cases where the one piece is not the topic. You are ignoring the fact that sake has a place already established in culture. And as I said before, even if sake is a metaphor for the one piece, we have no reason to think the one piece is actual sake you drink

I am totally on board with the idea that sake is a metaphor for the one piece, but i don't think it is actually sake

[gleaming ferry]

its because sake unites people, the 3 boys sharing a cup of sake becoming brothers, luffy shares sake with his crew after every new member joins. One piece is the whole world coming together in one piece and not divided, going by what ive said, Sake unites people as one so during the giant party when a get together happends creating a fair start to world peace, which in theory is joyboys dream passed down

[modest skiff]

Can you explain how you think sake would bring world peace? Are you saying you invite people somewhere, and they all agree to world peace because they drink sake? Are you saying this sake is special and makes people peaceful in a way normal sake does not? If a Celestial Dragon drinks sake, you are saying they would relinquish control of the world, stop enslaving and raping people? Because that does not appear likely to me. Maybe I am misunderstanding you

[gleaming ferry]

Yes you are misunderstanding people, there is nothing special about this sake it is just sake, as ive said above in Japanese culture (real life btw) sake is a traditional thing to drink during weddings, funerals etc etc they say that because it unites people. Going from that

[smoky basin]

i've had a picture i drew on paint at 3 am while drunk open on my computer for a week now so i will share with you guys because i fear it will become sentient and take over my stuff

[modest skiff]

So then you are saying the sake has nothing to do with creating world peace and instead is used to celebrate world peace?

[smoky basin]

i think i meant a tree with the roots in the air and it's top hidden underground

and it drops devil fruits because why not
and they float from under the land

[gleaming ferry]

getting rid of the barriers that divide seas, having everyone together in one place, enjoying their time together as ONE group of people and not more doesnt create world peace but its a start, Sake has a great bit to do with creating world peace, it forms bonds between people. you mentioned in your theory above how you dont think its so simple because the world government wants to hide his dream/one piece, well yes they want the world to create world peace because at the moment they rule over it, the celestial dragons concept would be gone along with a good fair bit of the worlds government rule, obviously this isnt a perfect example but its along those lines

hell the island the one piece is on is litterally called laugh tale

[modest skiff]

But why would a Celestial Dragon ever accept this invitation to drink sake? They are tyrants ruling the world. They don't care about sake. They want to retain power. They have no motivation to do anything you're describing

[gleaming ferry]

its a childish dream for sure, first off you have no idea at the present time when the show nears its end that the world government wont be on board, especially if they get rid of some key figures in it such as sakazuki and the higher ups who have base control over it, the world government part even for me is a little foggy but time will tell and stuff will point itself out eventually

[abstract pond]

And sake is not a magical thing that unites people. Is something peoploe drink when they are already united or having fun.
So the world would still need a reason to gather, party and drink sake

[muted ember]

What if Tequila Wolf is like the celestials twisted version of Bink's Sake and they want to connect all the blues to the grandline so they can control global trade in general, and alcohol in particular

[gleaming ferry]

look here, Kaido was a failed experiment of joy boy, kaido doesnt drink with anyboy and only himself that is confirmed

[abstract pond]

"Kaido was a failed experiment of joy boy that is confirmed" what?

[gleaming ferry]

no i got it backwards let me rephrase

also the all blue really pushes the fact the lines will open and it will be only ocean

with sake in zoros hand laughing fam

Final conclusion on my side @modest skiff Sake isnt the direct one piece although it is what they will find, sake/starting a party after the lines are gone bringing eveyone together is really what the one piece is and the dream which has been passed down

[modest skiff]

I don’t think that’s good evidence. And you still haven’t explained how sake accomplishes the task rather than celebrate the ending. Am I misunderstanding you? You are saying the sake CREATES peace rather than celebrate peace?

Yeah, that I agree with

I definitely think they end up drinking sake at the end

But I don’t think the sake is the mechanism through which the peace is formed. Sake comes after the fundamental peace is created, not before

[abstract pond]

They always drink at the end of the arcs when they make a party so it wouldn't be any different

[gleaming ferry]

It does create and celebrate

[abstract pond]

That's not...that's not what happens even there

And wouldn't the One Piece be the thing that unites the oceans in that theory?

[gleaming ferry]

No really? sake wasnt accepted at that point by him at that point but when shanks was swung at, he gave no fight back

the thing that will unite everybody is the redline and grandline being destroyed, the whales try it all the time, when binks sake is playing the whales laugh, hense the name of the final island holding the sake, Laughtale

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eISeERPgmZ4

id suggest giving it a watch if u havent @abstract pond heres the video VVVVVVVVhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RX3d8x1WCBA&t=28s

[abstract pond]

What peace was achieved there? The guy broke the bottle on Shanks and Luffy was angry and yelled at all and then the guy kidnapped Luffy and Shanks's mate killed one of the other guys companions. It's the opposite of peace and celebrating.

[gleaming ferry]

No peace was achieved as he never accpeted the drink of sake

[modest skiff]

So then it sounds like what you are saying is that once the world is at peace, sake will be used to solidify that peace with a celebration. That is fair

What I thought you were saying is that sake would suddenly make CDs no longer evil

Or would somehow defeat CDs

[gleaming ferry]

OKAY listen Obviously sake wouldnt 100 percent make that situation perfect @abstract pond but if he took the time to sit down and talk and bond situation coulda ended different

[abstract pond]

And that has anything to do with sake

Hey Lucci, stop kidnapping Robin, take this bottle of sake and let's talk

[gleaming ferry]

Not with sake, i think i said above how that wasnt 100 percent and i was going on a limb but what i did say is that we dont know what will happen throughout the show and things can change before it gets to the sake point, all im saying

[patent sail]

This take seems very plausible even intentional by Oda
https://twitter.com/newworldartur/status/1479512004197076994?s=21

Artur - Library of Ohara (@newworldartur)

It is implicitly said that Joy Boy would deliver smiles and laughter to the whole world. Kaido did in fact deliver SMILEs and laughter to many... just not in the way one would usually think...

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[gleaming ferry]

read what i said above fam, they want to world to unite and have a great time creating bonds and to stop the hatred

[patent sail]

A dark twist to Joyboy if you will

[gleaming ferry]

it wont 100 percent fix it but its a start

[abstract pond]

It's not even a 1%. The sake would have nothing to do with that. The sake is for when it's already achieved. Just like the food.

[gleaming ferry]

in japan as ive gone over before, its traditional because it creates bond with eachother, looking at the show the 3 boys shares sake becoming brothers fam like idk what to tell u, im not saying its magic

[modest skiff]

it is never used to take existing enemies and suddenly make them friends

It comes after you establish peace

[abstract pond]

Exactly. It doesn't create any bond. It's for a bond already developed/discused.

[gleaming ferry]

no thats obvious they already saw themselfs as brothers before they drank the sake and every new member of luffys crew was already accepted into the crew but they still drank some sake... im saying it wouldnt happen right away, ur thinking your head that their gonna have a party and all make up, theres still what??? 4 years until the end of the show hatred can be fixed towards them, hell even once luffys crew gets the one piece assuming they find it they might even go to different nations to fix problems between them and when it comes to the end of the show thats where the bonds are formed getting rid of the pointless hatred

im done debating fam cause ive repeated stuff about 10 times u think what u wanna only time will tell but give it a watch pceee

[abstract pond]

I'm not gonna waste and hour on that sorry xd

[ruby depot]

so kadio believes he is the only one who can change the world. Then goes to an island with a skull of a legendary skull that was there before the void century a legend of its own. Oda mentions if Kadio was to fall his weapon would be consider a legend itself and so is the sword that is on onigashima . Kadio might be trying to replicate a great threat before the void century knowing that only a Third eye or D with the voice of all things could read the poneglyph and his greatest feature is the chaos he could cause by bring the world to is knee due to his durabilty. Who said vega punk even created the devil fruit MOMO has he could of found it on punk hazard and deem it a failure because he know he did not create it

[modest skiff]

We have actually not seen the island pre-Kaido so we don't know what the island looked like before he was there

[ruby depot]

marco mentions its going by a different name now so i just assumed it was the same appearance as before just kadio there

[pure raven]

didnt oda once say in an interview that the one piece wont be something symbolic and will actually be a treasure

[dense wind]

Anyone else think that Blackbeard won't be the final person in Luffy's way?

It really is just like hard for me to imagine any scenario in which the World Government going down doesn't feel like the ultimatum of One Piece. I imagine that Laughtale will result in something involving the WG and Im etc.

Sorry if this doesn't belong here

[weak arrow]

Yeah I'd say most people think blackbeard is the 2nd to last antagonist luffy beats

Beating Blackbeard on laughtale and then akainu/Imu in the final war arc is probably the most commonly held belief

[dense wind]

Maybe I'm just used to seeing more like casual fans assume the Blackbeard belief

[gleaming ferry]

its definitely gonna be a big fight in the show

gonna be a fun 100 episode fight

[dense wind]

I also like, even as evil as Blackbeard is, don't think he represents like that which Luffy ultimately hates. In the end he's still someone with a dream, he just has very gross ways of trying to achieve it due to not caring how it affects others. I think the WG's oppressive stance is really the ultimate evil

Blackbeard isn't oppressing others to be above them, he just doesn't really think of them in his path to achieve being the one to find the One Piece

[shrewd tusk]

Im rooting for shanks,

[proud tree]

(Chapter 803) what does "Cipher pol has been augmented in recent years" mean? Are CP Agents augmented humans? Cyborgs like Franky? Or just their command structure is augmented

[modest skiff]

I think this relates to what @mint stag was saying previously. CP0 are either robots or cyborgs perhaps

[proud tree]

Seems like Cipher pol was "augmented" in recent years (whatever that means), mentioned by Dragon in chapter 803.

[mint stag]

OH SNAP! This is good stuff rh

[quartz fjord]

Can Zoro (Wano) defeat Kuma, now?

[weak arrow]

Not really a theory. I’d suggest asking this in the #manga channel

[quartz fjord]

Already did. Thanks

[stiff patrol]

Wait a minute this looks familiar af

[weak arrow]

looks like one of usopp's plant attacks

[night jewel]

its just a skull with a bandanna on it

or not literally a bandanna, but its shaped like it

[weak arrow]

yeah i was assuming it reminded him of something and i think usopp has a skull grass attack where it looks just like it

[stiff patrol]

No I mean it looks like skypeia

[mystic crown]

You mean jaya?

[mint stag]

Do zoan devil fruit users revert back to their previous human form after being killed and/or knocked unconscious? If they do, does this mean that X Drake isn't yet unconscious? He is still in his zoan hybrid form. The only reason I thought of this is because when Zoro beat Kaku he reverted back to his human form from his hybrid form.

[grizzled fog]

they dont seem to always change back. page one remained in hybrid after being koed by bm

[mint stag]

I had a hunch

[cyan berry]

Chopper as well remained in hybrid after falling into water in Enies Lobby and Skypiea

[mint stag]

well there we go, even more proof

[dire valley]

Yo please read my theory

[mint stag]

hold up real quick. I'm not shitting on this theory or anything but saying Xebec isn't a pirate because he didn't have a crew can't be right. Mihawk doesn't have a crew and he's a pirate.

[dire valley]

Mihawk and xebec are very very different bro

Mihswk has never ever had a crew. While xebec had a crew.

Meaning their priorities were different.

And Brook doesn't know rocks the pirate because if he did the alliance of big mom and kaidou wouldn't be surprising to hin

[mint stag]

that answer doesn't justify what i said tho is all

[dire valley]

Wait what did you ask

[mint stag]

just go up and look lol

[sour willow]

What's the best theory will happen in the next chapter?

[dire valley]

Bro, you said xebec not being a pirate because he doesn't have a crew is wrong because of mihawk.

Mihawk has never ever been in a crew. You can't really compare him to any other pirate in the story.

And they said it was rocks era before roger. But Brook knows roger yet has no knowledge of the rocks pirates.

As the alliance of big mom and kaidou didn't remind him of anything

No offence but mihawk is the most ridiculous outlier in the story.

You have to understand this. Your using a character who is the only outlier in a manga with this many characters

[mint stag]

I'm just saying, @dire valley your theory says Rocks(Xebec) wasn't a pirate because he didn't have a crew, right. It says that in your theory pretty much close to the beginning. But that doesn't make you not a pirate, because Mihawk doesn't have a crew but is still considered a pirate. It doesn't matter how different they are. I don't understand that point you made is all

[sour willow]

Did they ask to brook whether he know about Rocks or not?
If not then stop assuming brooke doesn't have any knowledge

[dire valley]

Mihawk is a bad counter example that's all imma say

[mint stag]

why tho?

[dire valley]

Because he has never been in anyone's crew lmao

[versed hamlet]

neither has rocks.

[dire valley]

No he had his own crew lmao

[mint stag]

so you get why that part of your theory doesn't click well then, right? you are agreeing with me lol

[dire valley]

So he has been in a crew and your wrong

[versed hamlet]

then you prove yourself wrong because you just said that rocks doesnt have a crew.

[sour willow]

Mihawk is kinda overrated..
He didn't fight shanks because he lost his fighting style and lost fitness. Shanks didn't lose any strength.
Still mihawk fan boys say shit about shanks

[dire valley]

No I said mihawk doesn't nigga. Stop inferring what you think the convo is about man

[mint stag]

In your theory you said and I'll pull the quote. "Rocks had no crew prior to the ones he gathered at pirate Island beehive. This means rocks 52 years was NOT A PIRATE." So you're saying Rocks (Xebec) isn't a pirate? What are you saying here?

[dire valley]

No I'm saying 52 years ago he wasn't a pirate

Because the rocks pirates formed at hachinosu

And 52 years ago is before they formed

Your acting like I'm saying rocks was never a pirate. Which is really throwing me of

[mint stag]

@dire valley Oh lol then you gotta go back and fix a grammatical error so it makes sense. You gotta add the word "ago" after "52 years" and then it will make sense to people lol

I was genuinely confused by that

[frail quiver]

Has anyone got a theory on what’s Luffy’s goal is, related to becoming a pirate other than being free? Didn’t Sabo/Ace/Garp (forgot which one) laughed at it?

[dire valley]

Fair I can see why. @mint stag

I'm saying that the rocks pirates were together for a short time.

This is implied by the fact they never got along
Also by the fact that they joined together around a big heist

[mint stag]

no i totally understand now, i'm back to reading your theory

[late token]

Think it is something ridicolous. Either bc it is so childish like „make everyone my friend“ or bc it is so unachievable like „make everyone free“

[frail quiver]

Yeah definitely ridiculous. Not sure if it’s childish, but like epic-scale. I think the common theory when that scene first came up was destroying Red Line so he can travel easier, but I don’t even know if he understands what Red Line is back then lolol

[late token]

I Think it is More likely to be smth childish bc roger said the Same and WB reacted „what are you, a little boy?“

[late token]

Yeah i dont think that is a Dream you come up with as a child chilling with your 2 brothers

[frail quiver]

Oh shit, forgot Roger said something similar too. I really wanna know but this might only come up in the final arc

[late token]

Yeah me too ^^ I hope we get this info at the end of wano through momo and odens journal

[frail quiver]

That’d be great yeah :)) I’m surprised we still don’t know a side of Luffy yet — it’s one of his ambitions to become a pirate dangit — so it’s super exciting!

[severe edge]

Explaining why Luffy isn't going gear 4 against Kaido using pokemon stats

Assumptions

1. Ryou circulates your haki outside of your body and so is equivalent of SpAtk.
2. Using gear 4 is sort of like using curse and cutting your own hp and increasing your attack/defense/speed stats.
3. Kaido has way higher attack/defense/speed stat than Luffy, so much so that even with gear 4 stat boosts the outcome i basically the same.

Theory
Ryou basically means you're flowing your haki outside of your body, and thus your haki doesn't need to adapt to your body and your body doesn't need to adapt to your haki (Basically what Luffy does when he goes gear 4 to increase his haki flow and deal more damage physically). And because Kaido has such ridiculous physical stats, Luffy's only way of defeating him is to force a battle of haki onto him by staying in base form and maximizing his HP as well. Going gear 4 is useless because it cuts Luffy's HP and doesn't give him enough of a boost to defeat Kaido in a physical battle anyway.

Prediction
Based on that I'd even say that if Luffy and Shanks ever fought, Shanks would force a battle of haki onto Luffy. From what we know of Shanks, he doesn't have a DF and I'd bet that Luffy would probably be more physically stronger than Shanks with the help of his DF.

[grand thorn]

I think Kaido might be able to listen to the voice of all things

[abstract pond]

I feel like Kaido is just a strong guy with a dope devil fruit. And nothing "special" about him other than that and being an oni.

Voice of all things, Joyboy, D, etc

[craggy cradle]

What if gear 5 implements advanced coc

[severe edge]

it's just a way of explaining it, the logic remains the same with pokemon stats or without

[severe edge]

then that's a different story this just explains why he isn't going gear 4

[meager linden]

I think that gear 5 will be implemented in at least 5 chapters

Most of the side fights have already finished by now so the main focus right now is luffy v kaido and like sanji and zoro I think that luffy will awaken something to beat kaido

[visual merlin]

he got cocting already though

[severe edge]

i don't think we're getting gear 5 here tbh cause gears usually have to do with luffy's df and not his haki and as i said earlier the battle between him and kaido has boiled down to a battle of haki

and i don't think there's any "form" luffy can take that will increase his haki

[sand sail]

Gear 4th is a pretty perfect fusion of his haki use and his devil fruit use, so a Gear 5th based on his conqueror's isn't out of the question

I'd even say it's pretty likely

[earnest wind]

and with this image is prob gonna be tiger themed

and also this one image from the ep 1000 banner

[stoic girder]

Here's my crackpot thinking

A) Revolutionary leak- Ever since Sabo, Morley, Lindbergh and Kirasu invaded Mariejois. 2 weeks have passed since they've clashed with 2 admirals of the Navy. It wouldn't be hard to imagine if one of them got captured and possibly sold out all of the revolutionaries activities and actions. If the government or even Morgans got his hands on what the revolutionaries have been up to and all the resources and where their new HQ is located. Then I can see Blackbeard and the Navy racing to wipe out the revolutionaries after they've been weakened and one of their officers betrayed them. I almost imagine that the officer who betrayed them would have pinned the blame on Sabo and is now working with the Navy. My guess here would be Lindbergh

B) Alabasta Corruption- There's also the possibility of blackbeard stealing an ancient weapon if alabasta is in possession of one. What wouldn't make sense to me would be how blackbeard and the Navy would have find out about it. I think Alabasta most likely just found out about the death of Cobra. The question would be what happens after Cobra Assassination. It's safe to say that Vivi would be on the run if CP0 assassinated Cobra and she found out about it. Now this would mean that the only rightful heir of Alabasta is now on the run and possibly the world assumes she's went missing, which leaves Alabasta without a ruler.

Which leads into an interesting development of Alabasta. After the original royal family of Dressrosa the donquixoted ascended into the celestial dragon ranks, they left the Riku family in charge. It's possible with the death of Cobra and Vivi presumebly on the run after finding out the truth. The government will take this chance to install a new family to govern Alabasta and find out any secrets they have. This will lead into a corrupt Alabasta that has lost their royal family.

Leading to Sabo and Vivi on the run after losing everything.

[severe edge]

yea but it doesn't affect his haki in a quantitative manner, his haki practically remains the same through-out all his gear 4 forms he mostly changes his body in order to make better use of that haki so gear 5 coming in the fight against kaido is what i think is more unlikely because the physical attributes of both of them don't matter currently, but gear 5 being cocting related could definitely be true

unless gear 5 can somehow change the way and the rate at which luffy's haki flows outside of his body i'd say it won't come against kaido

[sand sail]

His haki is the reason Gear 4th can be used at all, nothing about it changes, he just uses it in conjunction with his fruit to maintain and power the form

All it needs to be is something that gives him a fighting style that better suits how he can use this new haki, it doesn't have to be something that affects it directly, it never was

[severe edge]

yea but currently he's fighting with Ryou, which utilizes the outside of his body. when using gears he changes his body so that his haki's flow inside his body is more natural to the fighting style he's choosing thus packing more of a punch to it.

[sand sail]

Ryuo isn't about flowing outside the body only, it's about allowing all of the ambient haki around the body to flow to one spot until it's projected

He can use that just fine in Gear 4th already

[severe edge]

yea but it doesn't give him an advantage if he does that in gear 4 or not

it's projected all the same regardless

[sand sail]

He does get an advantage, he gets a huge one

The same as he always had with his haki. Gear 4th is a massive multiplier for his strength. His haki doesn't change at all, his physical strength from utilizing it does

[severe edge]

yes but as i said here the battle between Kaido and Luffy is not a physical battle anymore the 2 are basically just fighting a battle of haki and so getting a physical advantage (which i don't think luffy even gets a physical advantage over Kaido by going gear 4) doesn't help him in this fight either way

i'm not saying gears are useless all round they give him huge advantages it's just that against Kaido they can't do much to him

and from what we know going gear 4 also requires a lot of stamina and if it's not going to help luffy win the fight anyway then there's no reason to go gear 4

[sand sail]

No, it does. We know this because we know more physical pwer can overcome haki

That seems to be where you're mistaken, there is no such "battle of haki" without regard to physical strength, otherwise Luffy wouldn't be using his gears at all still

[severe edge]

well against Kaido he isn't using gears after the realization that he can't beat him with sheer physical power

[midnight relic]

Kid will clash fists against big mom (clean fists) and will blast conqueror's haki beams (kid won't necessarily be imbuing conqueror's haki)

[sand sail]

But he is, he just did this last chapter. He also used Snakeman.

Physical power is objectively a massive bonus in this, haki is not an impenetrable barrier. More physical strength behind his own standard haki is even how he manages to beat Katakuri.

[midnight relic]

Kid without using the conqueror's haki manages to damage yonkou, queen can crush the body of the haki's masters

[severe edge]

when did he use snakeman?

[midnight relic]

As soon as luffy and momonosuke arrive he uses it to do a combo move with yamato

[sand sail]

^ Around chapter 1027 or so, he uses Culverin with it. He also just used Gear 3rd with it this past chapter

[midnight relic]

I think "roc" (rock) is the designation that luffy will use for the conqueror's haki-imbued move evolutions.

[severe edge]

well the 1025 one was mostly so he could hurry over to yamato's aid and for the last chapter one... yea i guess some physical power is also necessary don't know how i forgot that panel lol

[sand sail]

A Roc is a mythical bird, that's just his new Gear 3rd it seems. He uses Red Roc on Kaido as his first blow on the rooftop

[visual merlin]

its just like red hawk and hawk rifle but g3 version

[sick grotto]

I finally got it
This is the lurking legend

The Egg

[amber oar]

Roc has nothing to do with rocks lol. As bean said, it's a mythical bird. From Persian folklores

[midnight relic]

It's because of this scene from chapter 1036 that I assume this, luffy uses "roc gun" in a move that clearly is the evolution (plus the conqueror's haki) of the "elephant gun"

I'm from Brazil, so maybe for you it's different...

[modest skiff]

I will lose my mind if it turns out Rocks was known for using moves that involve "roc"

[abstract pond]

What if the reason the WG/Marines had the gomu gomu being escorted it's because its awakening is one of the few counters they had for Whitebeard? And that's the same reason Shanks stole it, to fight against WB or avoid the Marines to win against him.

[neon shoal]

Does anyone think possible for jewlrey bonney to obtain immortality by turning herself young?

[robust sierra]

yes

[robust sierra]

is it also named after a gun like other techniques

[warm narwhal]

Can I post YouTube links here?

[agile tangle]

I saw this one theory that kuina purposely killed herself so that her soul could stay in the wado ichimonji

[amber oar]

probably false, given "cursed" blades aren't really such

[agile tangle]

Ah alright

[pure raven]

Luffy is def going to Red Hawk or attack Kaido's scar with a strong attack

which opens it even more or further

[clever pebble]

wait wot

[agile tangle]

?

[graceful fable]

Oars jr. in marineford was oars the 3rd(written in his jolly roger)Oars 1 was the one in thriller bark..I believe that wano country is the missing eye of Jaya...in manga we know that kaido can make onigashima and islands float the same way kaido as a dragon fly's...so my assumption is around 60-70 years ago uo uo no mi (kaidos dragon fruit) user was oars the second ..he made wano fly the same way kaido made onigashima fly .....now its certainly sure that he was defeated by ryuma who is stated to have defeated a dragon...and the head onigashima is the head of oars...and kaido the next user of uo uo no mi made onigashima his territory..this just makes sense ...

Sorry my bad english

[shy gust]

Theory: Kaidous name isn't actually Joyboy

Apparently the kanji for kaidou means strong kid/joy boy in japanese.

I'm starting to think xebec might have given kaidou the name kaidou.

He beat him up or saw him fight and realises kaidous immense potential and gave him a name befitting kaidou similar to what kaidou did for king

[ancient vault]

30 alts guy is back

[pure raven]

So 60 years back oars the 2nd flew wano from (jaya?) And ryuma defeated him?

[graceful fable]

Maybe

I did this theory ...just my assumption

[pure raven]

No way this happening we know ryuma was alive around 500 years back
And noland visited jaya about 400 yrs bck

And major thing wano has been mentioned to be closed from the outside world for like 800 years as written by oden so not possible

[waxen light]

if you only knew

[graceful fable]

What...ryuma was alive 500 years ago?

[pure raven]

Yes

[graceful fable]

Ooo then i dont think this may happen before 60-70 years ago.....nor wano being a part of jaya

But can we assume that ryuma slained an ancient giant who was the previous user of uo uo no mi ..and that onigashima is its head .and kaido now making it his territory

[ancient vault]

Actually we dont

It says „at least 500“ it could be longer

[ancient vault]

I do man I do

[pure raven]

Yeah same
I didnt mean as exact same duration

[waxen light]

its 100s at this point, 30 is selling him short

[muted ember]

I like the theory of Oars the 2nd with the dragon fruit

[ancient vault]

True but like two weeks ago it was at 30 or 50

I end up arguing with this guy always lmaaoo

[ancient vault]

Btw we‘ve seen an actual image of oars pulling an island

[muted ember]

When?

[ancient vault]

In a magazine

[pure raven]

That island kinda looks like laughtale as been shown so far.

[ancient vault]

What

That looks like a generic island lol

But I actually think maybe thats onigashima

[amber oar]

The skull at Onigashima is dozens of times bigger than Oars. The skull alone has probably a diameter of half a km, the whole body may as well stand at roughly 1.5km/1 mile

[tranquil swan]

drawn by Oda?

[ancient vault]

ah right I forgot that
But oars couldve had san juans fruit

[icy oxide]

Oars…Senior?

[proud tree]

Anyt theory on Oars waring 3 giant skulls? Is this a sign of friendship with giants?

[ancient vault]

Both Oars and Oars jr have it iirc. Might be tradition

[primal cargo]

The fact that the Onigashima skull, Oars and Kaido all have the exact same horns, to me suggests that they could be the same race but with varying sizes for some reason

I dunno about oars literally pulling islands, he still seems too small for the task... On the other hand, the guy whose skull is on Onigashima now we're talking

[proud tree]

Did Vegapunk invent how to feed Devil fruits to objects, or where there other methods known before?

Did Cesar use Vegapunks method( to feed devil fruits to slime) to create Smiley?

[pure raven]

Simar to mark on oars loincloth?

[pure raven]

Iirc vegapunk found the method

[wintry lake]

my theorie is that Wano was also a Zeneisha, probs brother, husband elephant whatever, he died so that's why zuneisha keeps moving, and how momo can talk to it and order it

mints + samurais related had to come from something like that

[proud tree]

So Vegapunk created tamas tea pot?

[amber oar]

I think Hitetsu somehow managed to reproduce the process by accident. Maybe it involves boiling or something similar. Of course not that simple because otherwise it would be plenty of living teapots around

[pure raven]

[muted ember]

I think about this a lot, Occams Razor says yes but that raises a lot of questions

Bc that implies a connection between either Tengu or Tama, and Vegapunk

[copper palm]

To be honest he only created the technique that does mean that every one that knows of this techinque can theoretically also recreate it

[muted ember]

But the only person we know of that knows how to do it so far is Vegapunk

I think don't quote me on that lol

[copper palm]

I think it was implied by the fact that many people without any connection to the government have those wepaons i mean the first one we met was the dog gun and mr 4 and they didnt have any connection to the government

atleast until they met crocodile and even then only barely

[muted ember]

Well I was going to challenge your argument but u made both points. Crocodile could have bought it and had it delivered to him before they ever met in person

[amber oar]

the question is if he "created" or "discovered" it

[copper palm]

I would like to use Occams Razor here

[copper palm]

I mean what is the difference

[amber oar]

if it was a discovery, someone could reproduce it by accident. Which would explain Bunbuku

if it was an invention, only Vegapunk and those who obtained this knowledge could do it

[muted ember]

How many examples of df objects do we even have? I can only think of the dog and the elephant besides the teapot so we can connect 2/3 to the government

[copper palm]

I would imagine that it was discovery then

[copper palm]

Smiley

[muted ember]

So 3/4 are connected to the government

[copper palm]

and that might actually be the answer it was Cesaer he is probably the one who leaked the knowledge of the techique

atleast that what i could imagine

[muted ember]

Who would he give that info to in Wano?

[copper palm]

Kaido who else he was already selling Numbers to him why not that aswell

[copper palm]

and the Poison gas that jack used as well

[muted ember]

Yea but Kaido having that info doesn't really explain the teapot. Like in this scenario ig it would be Queen that made it but why would any of them want to bring a teapot to life

That scenario creates pretty much the same questions as Vegapunk making it too so ig it could be either or

[pure raven]

Can we make theories about the spoilers, they look so fun

Or is it against the rules

[wicked grove]

Against the rules

[copper palm]

Yeah i mean the tea kettle isnt really a point against my argument even but i would argue it atleast harms the vegapunk argument because the wg has even less reason to be connected to somehting in wano. But most importantly in the course of the disccussion we have pretty much proven that Vegapunk isnt the only one who nows how to do it since cesar created smiley himself

[copper palm]

try heroin ,less withdrawl symptoms

❗

[muted ember]

Vegapunk was there when he created smiley so I don't think we can say he did it by himself 100%. And the government has several connections to Wano like seastone and the weapons sales, Orochi even asked CP0 to bring him Vegapunk

[copper palm]

Vegapunk was there when he created the Gas that would later become smiley then he fired/ dissmissed cesar who then returned a year later and "gave" the gas the devil fruit so he definitly knows how to do it intependently . But you have a point with wano having access to vegapunk tech i forgot that orochi even wanted VP so it is also possible that it came from the WG

[pure raven]

crocodile does have connections to the government, he was a warlord

it's not impossible that that bazooka's fruit comes from the same place where spandam got the fruits for cp9

[neon shoal]

Wait if two powerful people use conqueror haki coating against each other, attack shouldnt be in contact. When shank use conqueror haki coating against whitebeard’s conquror haki coating, it made contact so how come shank and whitebeard conquror haki coating came to contact?

[visual merlin]

because they didn't use coating

[neon shoal]

Then why did the cloud split when whitebeard and shanks fought against each other?

[visual merlin]

because its never been stated the sky split only when you use coc coating

It just splits mostly as a symbolism thing

and cuz its a strong thing, it doesn't need to be coating

[split glacier]

If anything, that happened too early for the not touching attacks to even be a concept.

Haki wasn't even black back then.

[neon shoal]

But isnt it heavily implied when two conqueror haki coating fought agaisnt each other, clouds split,just like when luffy and kaido cause cloud to split and kaido and big mom cause cloud to split

[visual merlin]

It isn't heavily implied, big mom and kaido are literally touching there

the same way shanks and WB did

There's never been any implication that it comes from coc coating

[neon shoal]

Okay i really dont understand one puece now

[visual merlin]

In fact, if that were the case, yamato probably would've sky split as well

[visual merlin]

You just don't need cocting to sky split

[split glacier]

If you strong enough and have Conq, you can split the sky. That's it.

[neon shoal]

What do you mean “have Conq”?

[split glacier]

Conqueror's Haki

Only they have the ability to sky split but splitting the sky isn't because of Conq Coating

[night jewel]

bm and kaido's attacks touch each other as well lol

you posted the example yourself

[neon shoal]

I always thought that when two conqueror haki coating fought against each other, the powerful impact of conquror haki coating cause a huge shock wave that cause clouds to split.

[visual merlin]

Well, there's no indicator of that, and half of the sky splits are touching

so I wouldn't make that assumption

[neon shoal]

Honestly i always thought it only look like big mom sword and kaido club are in contact from our point of view. But maybe in big mom and kaido perspective, sword and club not in contact.

[sand sail]

They're in contact

The distance when it comes to the bubble is much more than that

[ancient vault]

Whwre did u getthat from

[main sigil]

This doesn’t work out.

The spacing is much more

Not to mention it can be done with contact like they did and Shanks and WB did.

[warped nova]

If you dont have king haki, dont even try looking for the one piece

[proud tree]

looks like Dragon is surrounded by Fog here (chapter 794) can he fast travel with his weather abilities?

[split glacier]

A storm always follows them D bois 👀

[agile tangle]

Yo anyone remember that theory about Oden's two swords

How enma was draining and the heaven one was to support or smth like that

[viscid anvil]

?

I remember the technique, it was called 'oden nitoryuu - paradise totsuka'

His other sword was inherited by momonosuke

I forgot its name though

[agile tangle]

Ame no habakiri I think?

[viscid anvil]

Yeh

Doesn't ame mean rain?

It means 'feather cutter of heaven' or 'snake Slayer of heaven'

Ame does mean rain though

[tacit veldt]

It depends on the kanji (or other alphabet) you use to write it. Yes the word "Ame" does mean rain, but it also means other things depending on how it's written

[dire lily]

My personal little thought was that conq haki clashes were like magnets facing each other

Where they don’t naturally touch unless you force/want them to

[tacit veldt]

天 Is the kanji for Ame in Ame no Habakiri and means heavens
While 雨 Is the kanji for Ame in Ame no Shiryu, and here It does mean rain

Also, isn't Shiryu like, quite clearly from Wano? I feel like this should be addressed in the manga sooner or later

[tardy pumice]

Shiryu is probably an Kurozumi

[tacit veldt]

Just because he's evil? Now that's a little racist

[mortal field]

Im weak as hell

[tacit veldt]

His naming scheme seems similar to that of ninjas of Wano, actually. Like Raizo of the Mist

And another oniwabanshu with a weird epiteth

[queen ether]

Shiryu gonna get buffed big time off screen

[proud tree]

he is invisible, meaning he could stalk the straw hats without them knowing

[tardy pumice]

I'm not racist, I'm just saying that all Kurozumi are ev-.....omg, I'm literally racist.

[clever lintel]

I keep thinking about Kanjuro and Pudding in how Oda will go with Kanjuro by the time Wano ends. I would prefer him to not be like Pudding in the double twist, but I feel like that's something that could happen. Tama being a Kurozumi seems like the most probable circumstance to where Oda goes with it, but I think he would do something more with Kanjuro given how long he's been in the story.

[amber oar]

The Kurozumis are in "burn everything and everyone" mode. The purest hatred. They're not getting redemption

[tardy pumice]

Yeah, the Kurozomi are the bad guys. They should be ostracized. See, I'm not racist, this guy gets it. When has being mean to the Kurozumi ever backfired?

Never.

[amber oar]

I was looking at some Doom (the videogame series) wiki articles, and something made me click. The last level in Doom 1 is called Dis. What's Dis (Dite in the original Italian), the city at the lowest levels of Dante's Hell (The Divine Comedy). Dis Pater was also the ancient Roman god of underworld, before they absorbed Greek culture. Worth noting, by "underworld" ancient Romans didn't mean "hell", but literal underground, and thus they associated Dis Pater with fertile land and mineral wealth. Over time Dis Pater became associated with death as he was conflated with Pluto/Hades.

Now getting to the point. What if D. means Dis, and what if Dis is either the name of the Ancient Kingdom, or its capital. It somewhat relates - the tale of a powerful, wealthy empire, and the tale of a clan that brings joy and abundance, but overtime they started to be considered as "demons" for whatever reason, and their reign brought to an end.

I don't have developed well this idea and it's just something that clicked on the moment, but I have to say it intrigues me. It would even fit the furigana - Right now D. is written as ディー, and Dis/Dite was translated to Japanese as ディーテの市 (City of Dite)

[modest skiff]

I like that a lot. Interesting thought that feels well supported by context

[shut finch]

This isn’t exactly what you suggested but I do love the idea that “D” isn’t actually devil/demon related, as we’ve been led to believe by some statements such as the “enemy of the gods” stuff

[muted ember]

I just want to say when attacks don't touch its bc of advanced armament not advanced conquerors

[pure raven]

this needs a pin

[muted ember]

That's why Big Mom/Kaido and Shanks/WB touch, but Luffy/Kaido and Roger/WB didn't

[modest skiff]

Yeah this is the first D theory I have felt like “oh crap I bet this is it”

[robust sierra]

hello? Oda? he's on to us change of plans

[ancient vault]

U always surprise me with your little theories

[whole rivet]

ikr

@pure raven , come here

[pure raven]

kaidou translates to joyboy, smile fruits are a joyboy parallel, it's kinda outright stated or implied heavily that kaido thought he was/wanted to be joyboy at one point

in the last few chaps

[whole rivet]

what are the odds of rocks being joyboy lol

even tho hes probably not

[pure raven]

it's luffy, rocks was probably the will of an antagonist to joyboy

[whole rivet]

luffy is joyboy?

[pure raven]

almost definitely

[whole rivet]

I mean it would make a little sense since luffy is so joyful and goofy if that's what joyboy would be like oh and caring

[pure raven]

this panel

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FG-6pLTXEAoQrLV?format=png&name=900x900 give me another 15 secs

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FG-6piDXEAMtQaL?format=png&name=900x900 kaido is referring to himself failing; and assuming luffy failed as well b/c kaido was under the impression he just killed him

[whole rivet]

oh my god

[pure raven]

there's more shit in recent flashbacks + there's some shit relating to kaidou's alcoholism and suicidal tendencies being caused by his inability to become the joyboy

[whole rivet]

didn't you say "he's joy" ?...

[pure raven]

luffy is, not kaido

[whole rivet]

Alr

[pure raven]

kaido is a failed joyboy candidate

[viscid anvil]

cryboy

[pure raven]

[muted ember]

I don't think Kaido cares about being Joyboy. He was making fun of King for believing that

[sudden dirge]

i read it all

amazing theory

[ancient vault]

Thanks

[abstract pond]

The only one thinking that was King. Kaido may know about Joyboy but doesn't feel like he ever thought/wanted to be him. Since the beginning speaking with King, Kaido made clear the world he wanted to create didn't sound like Joyboy's.

[ancient vault]

And where did u get that ending part from?

[abstract pond]

https://preview.redd.it/zevzgt06n6881.jpg?width=899&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=53eb3245fde3b551449238ddd1970938b9aecbe1

[ancient vault]

Yeah thats not the beginning.
The beginning is him saying „im the only who can change this world“
Which goes more into direction of him thinking hes the chosen one if he knows about the prophecy of joyboy
Later on in that panel thats almost 8-10 years later he changes his mind.

I still see your point. I just dont think youre right on the fact he made it cleae since the beginning

Your point is going more into direction of Kaido thinking JoyBoy „sucks“ basically right?
Like in the way of „joyboy cant do it“

[abstract pond]

More like wanting to change the world or seeing you as the strongest doesn't mean Joyboy

[ancient vault]

Yeah but im talking about what kaido thought of joyboy

He clearly knows about joyboy. If he didnt think he was the one what was his opinion on him?

[abstract pond]

Kaido's opinion on Joyboy? We don't know because he never talked about it in the manga

But probably very different to him

[ancient vault]

Also if we go that way I dont like the prophecy of joyboy. Kaido is implying theres a certain direction one has to go to be JoyBoy and I dislike that idea if JoyBoy is luffy

[muted ember]

Right. Being Joyboy and changing the world can be separate things in his mind

[tame mortar]

Alright, This is my theory about Laugh Tale, and how to get there. First of all, I wouldn't call this as theory per-se, simply my headcanon. This is because it has no solid grounds whatsoever and it's just for fun, but this is not completely groundless. Also a warning advice: there will be some math involved.

1. Background of Laugh Tale
As Neko and Inu said, the original journey for a pirate crew is to follow Log Pose until the final island pointed by it. Roger's crew arrived, and there, they learned that this is not actually the last island of the Grand Line, the island named Lodestar Island. There is a hidden last island that can only be found by reading 4 Red Poneglyphs (which might also made them learn about what is Poneglyph at all). So Roger's crew have to go around the world once again to find them and finally reach that island on the second journey, and named it Laugh Tale.

2. How Laugh Tale must be the last island
If 3 points makes a triangle and one point is inside the triangle, there will be no cross like Neko said. So, the 4 points of Red Poneglyph (RP) must create a 4-sided polygon. However, if you count Lodestar Island and the island before it (lets call it Penultimate Island) as the 2 Xs, the remaining two points must be ahead of Laugh Tale. If those 2 points are islands in Grand Line, then Laugh Tale can't be called the last island anymore. So, the only way for Laugh Tale being the last island is for the 2 X not pointing to an island in the Grand Line. There are some possibilities:

• The point is in Red Line
• The point is in an island on Calm Belt

https://imgur.com/aBPdcS7
Whichever it is, those 4 points must be navigable by anyone, and the direction on how to go there is specified in the RP. My headcanon says that the 4 points leads to:
Point A: Lodestar Island. It seems like it would be too obvious, but if you dont know if Lodestar is an X, knowing Lodestar Island's location won't do any much.
Point B: Penultimate Island. Same reason as above.
Point C: A Statue (and some bit of land) in the Red Line's wall. Lets call it Red Line Land.
Point D: An island in Calm Belt. Lets call it Calm Belt Island.

3. Why it is hard to find Laugh Tale
There are some theories on how to reach Laugh Tale, one being the 4 RPs consists of coordinates. Some counter arguments were discussed, but apparently almost no one mentions one basic fact: You cannot pinpoint a location in the Grand Line.

Remember back in Jaya where Straw Hats going all their way out to find South Bird? That's simply because they will not know where "South" is in the open sea of Grand Line. The knock-up stream is an open spot at an open sea, not a land which a Log Pose can point to. And even further back in time, that old dude we all know from Reverse Mountain said it himself, no matter how wild it is, you can only trust your Log Pose! So, the only thing certain when sailing Grand Line sea is direction. A Log Pose's direction.

For simplicity and the mysteries of Laugh Tale, it is safe to say that this island cannot be located in any way except for the crossing of the 4 points. On the other hand, those 4 points must be navigable by anyone. Not necessarily by a Log Pose, simply like "Use South Bird and goes south from Jaya until you found that island" is good enough Navigational Direction. The instruction Pudding gave to Nami to navigate to Whole Cake Island is another good example. People of Grand Line has been accustomed not to use compass and angles, but using Log Pose for navigation.

4. Importance of Log Pose
Now, it is mentioned that each RP gives navigational direction to somewhere. Yet again, how do you go to Laugh Tale even if you know all 4 points? it is basically knock-up stream all over again, but in this case South Bird won't help. The only thing you can trust is Log Pose (LP). And that is precisely how to go there: using Log Pose. Or rather, using Log Pos_es_.

For your information, you cannot sail straight from point A to B, because there will be storms, waves, and all other anomalies that will sidetrack you. This is common even in real world. However, if you have 2 Eternal Poses (EP) to island A and island B, you can know that you are in the straight line between the two islands whenever the two EPs aligned in the straight line!

So, if Nami has 4 EPs pointing to 4 Xs, EP1 is aligned to EP3, and EP2 is aligned to EP4, that's where the cross is. The Hidden Final Island of Laugh Tale. No matter how far Sunny is sidetracked, Nami will always be able to go to the right direction!

https://imgur.com/BWLuXrE

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Nami already have 3-point LP on her hand, and the 3-point LP is also installed in Sunny. As my headcanon says, it is possible for each LP to become eternally point to 3 Xs, and something else will point to 4th X. The options are:
a. An eternal pose. I kinda dislike this idea but this is the easiest to be explained story wise. Nami would need to obtain one eternal pose, probably Lodestar or Penultimate Island. Or worse, she need 4 EPs.
b. A unique device. This device can be found on one of the X, that will always points to it. This may include vivre card, where someone must get left behind in order to go to Laugh Tale.
c. My preference, is that the last LP points to two Xs. Like, when arriving at A, it points to B, and when arriving at B, it points to A. This way, Nami would only need 3 LPs and calculate the angle needed to find the cross. I wont go into details because people wont be interested in math, but it is possible.

Regardless the case, this is how Nami can navigate to Laugh Tale: by using 4 pointers pointing to each X!

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4. What is written in Red Poneglyphs

It is said by Neko that you must have all 4 RPs to be able to go to Laugh Tale. It also means that if there's at least one piece missing, you cannot make the journey. So each piece of RP contains essential information, including the location of each point. However, as I said again and again, how the RP describes the location of the X? A coordinate is meaningless in Grand Line, with its infamous anomalies at the sea. So, it must be a Navigational Direction like previously described. Or rather, some locations that are already known to the world. Just like Lodestar and Penultimate Island. However, having 4 X being a known location isn't fun, so I prefer for them to be 2 known and 2 unknown, Red Line Land and Calm Belt Island.

I like to think that the 4 points are connected to each other like using Log Pose: Nami must first go to point A, then B, C, and finally D in a proper order. And the navigational instruction written in RP is simply how to go from point A to B, B to C, and C to D. And then the last RP will tell the order. This way, all 4 of them are required in order to make the journey. So, rather than simply knowing 4 points will lead directly to Laugh Tale, Nami must have visited all 4 points. This is also a good adventure for the journey to be worth it. So the 4 Xs will be visited in some kind of order, gain the necessary Eternal Poses when visiting the point, and finally head to Laugh Tale.

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And so, here goes what my headcanon says about the inscription of each Red Poneglyph:
1. That reliable island, a home one can always return to. Its direction shall help to find the truth too. Refers to Penultimate Island, where one pointer of the 3-point LP will always points to it like eternal pose upon reaching there. This Eternal Pose is the first pointer.
2. The fake final island, where you may only go backward. Unless you know the path forward. Refers to Lodestar Island, where one LP pointer leads back to Penultimate Island, but the other two just spun like crazy, clueless for the next island, as told in Oden's flashback.
3. Here lies the inscriptions to the path forward. And fear not, you may still go backward. (insert navigational direction). This refers to Red Line Land, which can be navigated from Lodestar Island. During the voyage to this land, one LP pointer that was crazy in Lodestar will revert to pointing back to Lodestar Island, just like a normal LP. This gives the second pointer.
4. (insert navigational direction). A place beyond the hidden land. Then sail towards the middle hand. Where the many compass aligned, the truth shall lie behind. This refers to the Calm Belt Island, where Nami will get 3rd pointer become Eternal Pose and necessary information about the Log Pose alignments (including 4th Eternal Pose). This is the final X, and from here someone would sail towards the middle pointer, Lodestar Island, which is also the direction of Laugh Tale.

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So, I imagined this is the journey Nami must take in order to go to Laugh Tale, when Robin finally told her the 4 Red Poneglyph inscriptions.

https://imgur.com/lzZODjA

1. Sail to the Penultimate Island using LP as normal. At this point, LP on the left (LP1) will become eternal pose to this island. This Eternal Pose behavior is already common knowledge in New World, people just don't ask why. One (or two) other LP will point to Lodestar Island.
2. Sail to Lodestar Island using the other LP. Upon reaching there, the two LP will spun like crazy as described by Roger, while LP1 still pointing to Penultimate Island (because how else Roger would go back if all LP are going crazy?)
3. From here on, Nami will use the navigation told by RP to navigate from Lodestar to Red Line Land. Upon reaching here, one LP (LP2) points back to Lodestar, while the last one is still crazy. Probably have a bit of adventure here too.
4. Continue sailing from Red Line Land to the Calm Belt Island using the direction from RP. Fighting Sea Kings? Of course it must be challenging, or else it's not worth the journey, right? In this island, Nami would obtain the LP alignment information and probably some lore dump too.
5. Sunny is prepared, direction set to LP2, Lodestar Island. No problem in finding the cross anymore, Nami can finally said: "Captain, we are ready to sail to Laugh Tale!"

[velvet edge]

That’s actually pretty interesting I never thought about that in terms of log poses- that there’s extra steps in finding Laugh Tale aside from having the four RP

[primal cargo]

I think this is really interesting. I love getting into the core of why Laugh Tale is impossible to find without all this incredibly specific information.

[primal cargo]

A few reactions :

• I don't think the "Last island" title necessarily means that Laugh Tale is the one furthest down the Grand Line. Not all the islands of the Grand Line are part of the route created by the Log Pose, and Laugh Tale technically isn't part of the route anyway. It's probably just the idea that you can't reach Laugh Tale without completing the trip to Roadstar island (which would make sense since that's where you even learn about the last island's existence).
• The four points don't have to be located in the Grand Line, unless you categorically insist that Roadstar and "Penultimate island" are among them. I personally expect them to be one in each of the four seas, what with all the "uniting the world" stuff and the fact that there's 4 of them.
• I'm very curious about the idea that you would reach Laugh Tale by using Eternal Poses to sail along the line until you reach your destination. This is problematic because if that's how you do it, then you only need to know 2 of the 4 locations to find Laugh Tale, as long as they are on opposite ends of that "cross" shape. This strengthens my idea that the four spots are, at least, not islands of the Grand Line (assuming the magnetic field system only applies to islands of the Grand Line).

[slate mirage]

^This is why people theorize BB is from a snow country

[gray creek]

It feels exactly the kind of dumb thing Oda would have Luffy say. Especially when you read the next part

[grizzled fog]

Important not to leave out the bit immediately following this that disproves it

[gentle lily]

So I was curious if bloodlines had anything to do with the Will of D. And I found out that the three current living D's (Garp, Dragon, Luffy, Teach, Law) as well as Saul all have blood type F. However roger has blood type S (along with Ace and most likely Rogue). Xebec doesnt have a listed blood type. Do yall think this means anything.

[grizzled fog]

Interesting but I think the blood types are just a coincidence considering ace and roger. The D is passed down in a family though

[modest skiff]

I wouldn't say this "disproves it" so much as shows not everyone who lives in a snowy region doesn't sleep. My expectation is that we eventually learn there is some (one) specific race that lives in a snowy region which does not sleep.

If I had to guess, it would be that 3 eyed tribe sleeps with 1 eye open, which would be the source of the rumor

[heady parrot]

the last chapter of one piece will come out on 5/5/27 (luffys birthday and a Wednesday which is when op chapters drop in japan) and will be chapter 1256. this lines up with odas current 37 chapter a year release schedule. not only that but chapter 1256 will be the final chapter of volume 125, making one piece exactly 125 volumes long. if the average one piece volume is slightly above 10 chapters long (volume 102 most likely ending with chapter 1036) then that’ll put 1256 within range to be the final chapter of volume 125.

May 5th is also the 125th calendar day of the year 🤯

Oda’s output would actually have to drop to about 35 (34.84 to be exact) chapters a year for 5/5/27 to be the final date but with his comments about being the dual wielder of back and neck pain i could easily see him taking an extra break or two a year in his last few years.

[fathom matrix]

What would you think would happen when Luffy sees Akainu again?

Like, obviously he'd be pissed. But would you say it could be a flood of emotions?

Like, he's not gonna go into some primal rage screaming to kill him, but would you agree he'd just remember that day he killed ace, and he'd just give him a dead stare and want pay back for what he did (a fight obviously, not murder cause that's not luffy's way)?

I don't doubt Luffy's accepted Ace's death, he's moved on and tries to keep his will, but considering how pissed Luffy gets at enemies that haven't hurt him to the same degree Akainu has, I doubt he'd just have this random moment of feeling nothing or "I have better things to do"

[weak arrow]

Probably get a little mad, then Sabo relieves him and tells him he has better things to do like beat Imu, he’ll handle it from there, and then Sabo with the mera mera no mi and the promise he’d never let anything happen to a sibling again, beat Akainu for ace

[manic relic]

So one piece chapters will end with Go Mu

[craggy pumice]

I think you miscalculated something
2021 went until chapter 1035, if we add 37 it’s 1072 that’s where we are at the end of 2022
End of 2023: Chapter 1109
End of 2024: Chapter 1146
End of 2025: Chapter 1183
End of 2026: Chapter 1220
End of 2027: Chapter 1257
So if we say there will be 37 chapters every year, chapter 1256 would be at the end of 2027 and not in May

[mystic crown]

if we look at the power dynamic of One piece being the 7 warlords Yonko and World Governement there clearly meant to be a mix of morally good and bad characters. Pre Marineford , The yonko was Shanks and Whitebeard in contrast to Big Mum and Kaido. The world government was radical with akainu but it was still being led by garp and sengoku. The 7 warlords was corrupt with crocodile and doflamingo, But boa hancock and Kuma before being a robot were good. Blackbeard Turned this balanced upside down in Marineford. Akainu became the head of the Marines making it more militant. The Yonko dynamic shifted to three forces of bad morality big mum , Kaido and Blackbeard against only shanks. The 7 Warlords was the only thing that remained somewhat balanced. However after reverie this dynamic has been thrown off again. The warlords being disbanded and a fighting power of supposedly there strength joining marines in the SSG means that the Pirate vs Government conflict is heading towards its peak. At the same time Kid , luffy and Law have entered the scene to take down two yonko, This throws the structure from 3 bad and 1 good pirate to 2 good yonko and 1 bad yonko. Seeing as the imbalance of all these systems is reaching its final stage around the world of One piece, I suspect the face of the pirates will be decided soon. Post Big Mum and Kaidos defeat, The balance is tilted in Luffys favour against Blackbeard. This is why shanks will die. As Luffy balances the structure for himself and shanks Blackbeard must also make a move to balanced the playing field for himself. And once the King of the Pirates is decided in that final clash of the pirates, The great war will begin With Luffy heading The morally good side of the debate against Akainus morally black marines.

[cyan oyster]

what is a joyboy condidate?

[cyan oyster]

this doesnt make sense

[mystic crown]

The world is waiting for someone to bring the dawn or act as a saviour. Across the world the figure is called different names. Sun God Nika, Joyboy etc. People who try and become this saviour figure are joyboy candidates

[mystic crown]

Yep which part

[cyan oyster]

abt shanks death
everything else makes sense

[mystic crown]

If Big Mum and Kaido die then Shanks will die. Its all about maintaing that balance of the yonko

[cyan oyster]

then who are the new yonko
plus luffy wont kill em

[mystic crown]

The world was balanced before marineford but Blackbeard knocked it off course. Luffy is about to do the same now defeating big mum and kaido.

[cyan oyster]

he will defeat them but not killl them coz luffy doesnt kill people he will crush their spirit

[mystic crown]

Thats the thing there wont be 4 emperors after wano. There will only 3 people who are rulers of the seas. Luffy, Shanks and Blacbeard. Luffy and Blackbeard have been paralleled the whole story and shown to have similar chances of becoming pirate king but each with opposite outcomes. If luffy is to tip the power structure it makes sense blackbeard would make his move too

[mystic crown]

Yes this is true. But Blackbeard never said that. Big Mum may be killed because law and kid have no moral quams and if kaido is simply incapacitated by dropping him to the bottom of the ocean or something

[cyan oyster]

luffy is going to be the pirate king so maybe like law/kidd might take over it

[cyan oyster]

i agree with u on this one

[cyan oyster]

that might be also why the wanted to take down the yonko

[mystic crown]

But luffy has to fight the other king of the pirate candidates to become king of the pirates. Before being king of the pirates you wourld likely be just be emperors of the sea.

sorry that didnt make sense before edit

[cyan oyster]

plus i heard a theory that shanks is the guardian of the one piece left by his former captian so he could be the last and final boss plus hes the reason luffy wanted to be the pirate king so their fight wont be soon because we're not ready yet 😩

[mystic crown]

If he is it makes even more sense for blackbeard to kill him because hes the last step before pirate king

[cyan oyster]

damn tho blackbeard is quite fast

[mystic crown]

Well blackbeard has had two years to prepare while luffy was training

[cyan oyster]

he was luffys strength during jaya arc(when the met)

[mystic crown]

No he wasnt. He was far above. We saw him beat ace right after jaya

And ace was clearly meant to be above luffy in marineford because luffys lack of power held ace back from survival

[cyan oyster]

but during impel down luffy injured him a bit
that shows the chances where he can beat him

[mystic crown]

Yeah , But thats the nature of his fruit, He takes in damage more so he can dish it back out as hard. We saw that in the ace fight right?

[cyan oyster]

btw can u tell me whats the awakening of devil fruit thing
i dont get it

[mystic crown]

Sure which part

[cyan oyster]

what is the devil fruit awakening?
coz law asked kidd if his fruit was awakened but kidd already has a df r?

[mystic crown]

Devil fruit awakening another power of fruits which changes depending on the classification of fruit. Paramecias in general so Doflamingo and Katakuri can transform there surroundings with there fruits power . So turning surroundings into string or mochi

[mystic crown]

Awakening is a step above normal devil fruit usage. It has to be unlocked through advanced control of a devil fruit

Kidds normal ability is making himself magnetic while his awakening is making others magnetic

[cyan oyster]

oh

[mystic crown]

It is a bit complicated and we still dont know alot about it but thats the gist of it

[cyan oyster]

oh i c

[mystic crown]

People suspect luffys awakening will turn surroundings into rubber and as a result will counter blackbeards quake quake fruit which is based on vibrations

[cyan oyster]

i saw a crazy theory abt blackbeards fruit which was rocks fruit(if hes ded)

[mystic crown]

Yeah that is pretty likley honestly. Blackbeards ship is called xebecs saber

[cyan oyster]

woah
but ex-fleet admiral sengoku said he might be alive so oda wouldn't randomly bring up rogers ded rival so he might be final boss

[mystic crown]

How long have you been caught up to one piece

[cyan oyster]

last week i finished ch1036

[mystic crown]

Like after reading the whole story or you just read 1036 last week

[cyan oyster]

i dont get wat ur saying?

[mystic crown]

Like I read 1036 last week as well but I have been reading weekly for a year and a half

[cyan oyster]

oh i caught up last week

[mystic crown]

Oh wow congratulations. How was wano on the binge read

[cyan oyster]

kinda good

[mystic crown]

yeah, Thats great, Honestly being on this discord is tough at first because we disscuss one piece so much we know it really well but you learn a lot of cool things that you missed on the first time. I hope you enjoyed. 🙂

[cyan oyster]

yup,thank u
but it feels weird waiting for new chapter when there were so much

guys do u think the treasure at holy land of mary geoise is the one piece taken by the imu person

[pure raven]

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[proud tree]

I thought One Piece still rests where Roger found it on Laugh Tale

[cyan oyster]

they could've taken it unless its something like laught tale itself something thats not movable

[pure raven]

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[cyan oyster]

sorry my bad it is the strawhat but what if the strawhat is the one piece?

[muted ember]

I don't think it's the Straw hat I think there's a body in that chamber. Doffy said he needed Law's personality switch and the eternal youth surgery to use it

Doesn't really make sense if he's talking about a hat

[ancient vault]

He must be talking about Imu

As far as we know Law cant revive bodies like that

[robust sierra]

the personality switch surgery is broken, why'd Oda even allow it to exist

[muted ember]

For the plot line we're currently discussing

[hoary hatch]

Plenty of the DF powers are broken and there many that are mere jokes. That's the gamble that happens when you get a Devil Fruit. Haki exists in the setting to level the playing field so that the DF users aren't totally undefeatable.

[rocky roost]

artur nailed it with his one piece theory

[next swan]

Agreed, solid theorizing on his part

[midnight relic]

[pure raven]

Doffy df was making strings so hes able to make more strings so hes able to make his surrounding strings, luffy's ability is just being rubber i think he'll become more rubber which means he will be able to become a giant at will

[mystic crown]

I dont understand the logic. "More rubber"? He is rubber already

[pure raven]

More rubber means he will expand

[lunar shell]

Rubber that he can control. So each time his feet touch the ground he will be propulsed. It can allow Luffy to be at hight speed all the time.

[amber oar]

Doffy's awakening is turning things into strings
Kata's awakening is turning things into Mochi
Kid's awakening is turning things magnetic
Law's awakening is turning things into the center of his "rooms" (his regular power is a room only around himself)

So it's pretty obvious that Luffy's awakening is turning things into rubber

[little elm]

Luffy stretching reality like rubber with his awakening

💀

[muted ember]

Luffy will become a giant, mark it down

[split glacier]

That's a pretty agreed upon prediction for Luffy. G5 is most likely full body balloon, he can already G3 some techniques without actually blowing air into himself now. Elbaf training with giants to perfect it, whoops BM ass blah blah blah

[sinful helm]

luffy will become able too stretch time and space is this wuxia or manga

[fathom matrix]

How ashamed do you with Bartolomeo's gonna feel if he ends up meeting Shanks, and Shanks tells him "Oh yeah, I gave him the hat and I gave up my arm for him"

Like, to Barto this is the man who set Luffy to become pirate king, and inspired him to be the pirate he is today. And he just insulted him and broke down a sign in his terriyory.

[twilit void]

Yeah I heard that theory from hidden island, seems legit

[severe ice]

Paramecia awakenings alike each other.

[twilit void]

The awakening so far seems to be a reversal of the normal ability

[warm brook]

What if Luffy's ability is to make other people rubber, which they won't be used to.

[amber oar]

I wouldn't say "reversal". It's more like applying the ability to external elements.

On paper Law already does that, but he makes a room with a limited range and he's always inside/at the center of it. His awakening is pretty much making other things "rooms"

[twilit void]

Yeah not really man. Because the zoans don't do that

[amber oar]

I'm talking about paramecias. Zoan awakening doesn't have to be the same

[twilit void]

I'm talking about the general trend we have seen in awakening

I never specified paramecia

[amber oar]

we saw two separated trends: zoans and paramecias. there isn't any correlation between each group, but there are correlations within the groups

[twilit void]

There is because so far the awakening has been the reverse of the normal ability for literally everyone we have seen so far

The zoan fruits grant a buff in power and speed. The awakening has to do with recovery and durability

[split glacier]

Yeah he's got a good channel

[amber oar]

how come turning things into strings is the "reverse" of making strings

[twilit void]

Doffy creates strings internally from nothing and controls them
Awakening allows him to create strings externally from the area around him

[junior cape]

I'm sure there's some upper limit to the quantity of strings he can produce at once. We just haven't seen it because he constantly regenerates it.

[twilit void]

It seems to be limitless so you can't just assume it isn't

[amber oar]

that's a pretty stretched definition of "reverse"

[twilit void]

I may have articulated it wrong but its definitely a reverse

I have said it in several different ways when people ask me and some people immediately get it and realise it makes sense

Like look at what big mom did just after she got hurt by law

She took her own soul and used it to buff herself. Looks alot like awakening to me

[split glacier]

Most likely is BM awakening. Not everything needs to be explicitly detailed.

[twilit void]

https://www.opfanpage.com/2021/05/24/kaidos-wife-and-yamatos-mother-theory/3/

This theory was very convincing

[twilit void]

Facts

[ancient vault]

giants are a shit race why would luffy turn into a giant

[twilit void]

Bro oars was dangerous af

[ancient vault]

oars isnt a giant

[twilit void]

Yes he is tf

Ancient giant is a type of giant. Who give af about the technicalities when we weren't talking about them

[twilit void]

Gloriosa being kaidous wife makes alot of sense. The amazon's value strength as beauty. So kaidou must have been that guy to them

[ancient vault]

normal giants are shit

[twilit void]

Fair but luffy as a giant would be very fucking dangerous

[ancient vault]

it makes him slower. He doesnt need it

[twilit void]

Slower. Not really

Luffy in oars was the 2nd fastest guy in the fight after sanji

[ancient vault]

yes really. It was literally said in Enies Lobby during gear 3.
Idk why ppl are so obsessed with Luffy being a giant.

[twilit void]

They aren't obsessed it just makes sense tf

Gear 5 will be a full body balloon

[pure raven]

Haki/gears overcomes the “slowness” of being a giant

[twilit void]

Bro regardless oars was fast af because of luffys shadow

If luffy turns into giant he is gonna fuck up kaidou. Especially since gear 3 bone shit gives him great defence

[pure raven]

Honestly it would be so hype I’d love it, it will be a physical projection of Luffy being on par with Kaido

[twilit void]

And that gear 5 will be deadly af when used in elbaf

The powerup has to be useful in the coming arcs

[pure raven]

All the more reason to come to elbaf too, maybe even the giants will think of luffy as a diety too

[twilit void]

And it may not even be called gear 5

[amber oar]

Luffy already bounces around all the time while at G4, becoming a giant would be all air

[split glacier]

I don't know if G5/Top Gear or whatever you wanna call it happens this arc. It's either Awakening, new G4 form or full control/mastery of what he's learnt so far so ACoC G4 nuke attacks lol. He's dealing with Kaido in base equally right now

[twilit void]

He isn't gonna be bouncing as a giant tf

It is gonna happen this arc. The thriller bark monster trio fights hinted there powerups in this arc

Sanjis flames intensified and it became to the point where it couldn't just be friction because of nami and he fought an invisible man. He gained stealth black and his flames got revealed to be related to a race.

Zoro fought ryuma got shusui. Then he got this disgusting sword in wano and we learn about his connection to the shimotsuki.

Luffy is fighting a literal oni on the oni skull Island. The power up is gonna make him look nightmare luffy but the size of oars

[amber oar]

he'd probably be just floating around

[pure raven]

I just wanna see how cool jet culverin will be in giant mode

[twilit void]

Yo where do people get this small minded idea that a giant form is gonna be trash

[split glacier]

Why do you keep saying he's gonna be floating?

[twilit void]

It's luffy. He is gonna be fast af regardless

[split glacier]

He doesn't become light when he's inflates himself

[twilit void]

And you gotta think about the people luffy will be fighting in the coming arcs.

The giants some may be logias
Maybe kong
Bb who might be a giant ass kraken.
Big mom who gets big af when she eats her life span.

[split glacier]

Kong isn't story relevant honestly. We won't see him fight, he's just there for timeline purposes lol

[pure raven]

I just hope at least a king kong gun thrown at kong would be funny af

[split glacier]

Yeah Luffy "needs" to get bigger because G4 is the new G2 now but I'm not sold on Giant Gear being this arc

[pure raven]

I could see that as he’s already progressed very far in terms of strength and power ups in this arc, it would definitely be better to spread the power ups out until the story ends so it won’t be like he’s stomping around every island and one shotting everyone without any tension

[rocky acorn]

Isnt kong the commander in chief. A position above the fleet admiral which gives him control of the military and cipher pol
Making him the 7th most powerful man in the wg.

He seems very relevant from my perspective

Yep

[clever lintel]

I think Luffy's new gear is Rebound Man

[rocky acorn]

I have a wild prediction for 1038

I think the act is gonna end in the next chapter and zuneshas appearance is big enigh to end it.

The end of chapter 1038 will show dragon breaking into impel down to free Morley karasu and sabo

And then 1039 will be bounties for the warlords dragon and rocks

[split glacier]

Nah, he's just there for timeline stability. Sengoku/Garp needed their predecessor to "answer" to. Also for things in the past like the Edd War when Sengoku wasn't FA. He's not gonna fight, he's beyond old so he's not gonna be fighting anyone. CP0 answer to the CDs and not the WG, that's the only CP that matters these days lol.

[rocky acorn]

Yeah thats your opinion

[clever lintel]

I do wonder about a "return to reverie" after Wano.

[split glacier]

Wow, really? I didn't know...

[rocky acorn]

Wtf is timeline stability

Your reaching now. And this is one piece you can be a monster at 78. And unlike wb he isn't dying

[split glacier]

Wrong

[clever lintel]

I wonder if we'll ever see Sengoku use his fruit again

[rocky acorn]

Lol your even denying the facts of the story now. This beyond reaching

[split glacier]

Had a pretty good fruit. Shame he did 1 move and retired lol

[split glacier]

Ok buddy

[clever lintel]

Maybe he'll have a 2nd bout against Teach to show how Teach has grown.

[split glacier]

Shock wave vs Quake 👀 Kinda the same effect

[clever lintel]

Teach is something of a corrupted buddha.

He could be seen as everything against the teachings of Buddhism.

[fading sierra]

He fat?

[neon shoal]

Does anyone else believe ancient kingdom Used to be where lunarians used to be?

[abstract pond]

Maybe. But I have the feeling that the wipe up of the Lunarians came after the void century.

[royal spruce]

anyon know why shusui isn't supreme grade?

[weak arrow]

I mean, it just isn’t. It wasn’t made to be that way

[robust sierra]

shusui is ryumas sword which became a black blade

[royal spruce]

i was just wondering if there was a logic to the meito rankings. age/notoriety/quality/ blackness/ power, and shusui and enma keep throwing a curve ball in all those methods

[grand thorn]

Didnt the lunarians live in the red line?

[royal spruce]

we're not even sure if the red line is natural or man-made yet

but im pretty sure they lived on the moon

[ancient vault]

There isnt

[amber oar]

WB said they lived in the red line before the CDs. Maybe they started hunting them

[ancient vault]

Imu prob wiped their race off the planet

With few exceptions

[amber oar]

We don't really know if Im is physically strong, or if they're >800 year old

[ancient vault]

By imu i mean their order

[amber oar]

Either way King's vivre card says he was born in the Grand Line, so he was likely born in the run

[ancient vault]

Whether it was they themselves or gorosei or whoever

[amber oar]

Or maybe he was born as a guinea pig in PH

[ancient vault]

Maybe he was on god valley

As a slave and managed to escape

Valley either means death or birth

If the CDs horded godly races like lunarians snd dragons there then the name would make sense.
God valley as in death for those killed godly races
And as in birth because maybe thats where the CDs were crowned as Gods?

[split glacier]

OP probably ending chapter 1200 right?

[modest skiff]

we have no reason to think one way or the other. I don't think there is value in speculating when one piece ends. Oda will end it when he wants to

[split glacier]

Timeskip was chapter 600 (598) more or less, 1st half will mirror the 2nd half, he's said there's a few years left, 30-35 chapters a year. Not to mention if all the secret code in the chapter number means anything.

[lyric berry]

I’d say it goes to 1300

[craggy cradle]

Imagine it was made by previous magma user

[amber oar]

All the estimations point to something close to 1300 chaps

[broken sedge]

what do yall think of the theory that shakky was in the rocks pirates

[craggy pumice]

Good theory

[cloud venture]

Laugh tale could be and island where either the island itself or a single room / cave will behave like mirror world BUT where time stands still. Oda mentions how he is trying to avoid spoiling the one piece with his drawings during rogers flashback. what if he only draws rogers crew at laugh tale from one angle because he does not want to spoil that they are talking WITH another figure who is telling them this " laugh tale" story aka Joy Boy. showing a ponyglyph wouldnt be an actual spoiler considering we cant read them all while it looks like oden is among his crew and not interpreting it. Roger talks to Joyboy outloud saying " Joy Boy, I... I really wish i had been born in the same era as you." he may be talking to joy boy IN PERSON. Roger could have achieved his dream at laugh tale if we assume his dream is a party that never ends, which he would share with luffy. Luffy could be joyboy sharing his storys with Roger /having a banquet. Every party the straw hats throw has the attendees laughing at their antics ( chopstics in their nose ) When shanks asks about what they found at laugh tale i believe roger describes luffy to shanks as a young man with a scar under his eye and to help him find the one piece in the future. Thats why shanks was so shocked when luffy stabbed himself under the eye showing his conviction and fitting rogers description as joyboy. this is just a throw away fun theory iv had for a while since toki's fruit started dabbling with the theme of time travel.

[marsh geyser]

That's a pretty sick theory. Tenet Piece like.

[crude reef]

is this guy a member of mads or is he a fan or experiment like he was saying sanji´s eyebrows distracted him did he know about germa he has curly eyebrows too is he a failed experementasion?

[amber oar]

The word "mad" still has a meaning outside MADS, I wouldn't look deep into it.

Who knows if Oda had even planned all the MADS stuff. Not every panel must be a fOreShADoW

[timber silo]

dunno

pretty sure he was a cp memeber iirc

[crude reef]

what made me think this was that he said your eyebrows is distracting me

[timber silo]

quite a few ppl say that tbh

[crude reef]

true

[amber oar]

You don't even need to be aware of germa to be distracted by it lol

[crude reef]

but he is a world gorvemnt agent thats the difrence

[timber silo]

yh

[crude reef]

true

but he got the same type of eye he also create fire with his leg like sanji but i think is his shoes that did it

[pearl wagon]

Not a lot of people talk about this, but what do you thing was the thing that abducted the capone pirates?

[empty linden]

Who's spooked by the theory of Monkey 月 Luffy?
Just read it recently and was wondering if it's possible

[near beacon]

Which one?

[empty linden]

The original Chinese character for the moon is D

[near beacon]

Oh

[empty linden]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/okx4ya/the_meaning_of_d/&ved=2ahUKEwjWlebiuKz1AhW2TmwGHcH4BMIQjjh6BAgwEAE&usg=AOvVaw03N5CdTPIq_WOGtxJ9vr2S

[crude reef]

But like how many people have the weird eye brow like sanji exepct for his sibling like my theory is that he is a failed experementasion cause judge is a man of science and he need to test it before using on his kids and this guy is 28 and sanji is 21 it would make sense for him to be a test like he even got fire legs

True

[gentle lily]

Is the Hitetsu = Sukiyaki theory dead still? I remember the vivre cards said that Hitetsu was like 56 (which would mean he is not old enough to be Odens dad), but I just checked the wiki back and it says he's 81, meaning he'd be 22 when he had Oden, which could be possible

[amber oar]

A correction was issued a few days after release, so yes it's alive

[gentle lily]

Yeah I remember seeing the wrong age and being really annoyed, because the notes about the dolls are basically a confirmation

plus the same voice actor

[amber oar]

there's a panel of Sukiyaki playing with something that could be kokeshi dolls

[gentle lily]

^

The theory in the pinned messages also mentions similar face and arms, but the dolls and voice actor are pretty interesting

also in chapter 1016 he doesnt have wings, meaning he can remove them (this was not corrected in Vol 101)

[amber oar]

OK, I expanded the idea from the other day, because as you know, if a theory is very long it's more likely to be true
https://old.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/s2afir/yet_another_theory_about_the_meaning_of_d_this/

[tacit veldt]

Is Duval actually the fabled Goji

[main idol]

in one of the op mangas I have, the sbs says D stands for “debeso”, or is that just Oda messing around

[weak arrow]

Would just be Oda messing around

[muted ember]

A moon/ satellite

[grave crystal]

I feel like one piece hits on pretty much every dark aspect of humanity. Can anyone think if any topics it hasn't tackled? (I mean like how it's done slavery multiple times multiple corruptions, eugenics, neglect, abusive relationships, classism, perpetuating hatred) not to say it doesn't touch on the best if humanity but I just noticed a lot of the dark stuff when actually reflecting on the events in past arcs

[modest skiff]

This is a sort of discussion better fit for #also-manga and #manga rather than the theories channel

[frail quiver]

Holy crap I got chills from reading this. I've always been kinda iffy thinking that Luffy might be the "Destined One" aka Joyboy, although I believe Oda's writing most likely will change my mind. And your theory is the type of writing that'll do that for me.

[pure raven]

Theory: Luffy is going to fight Shanks after Wano and when Luffy fight Shanks, Shanks will teach luffy how not to depend on his Devil Fruit, using only Haki. This will be important because when Luffy fight black bread, he can not depend on his Devil Fruit because of the Yami Yami no mi's powers.

[pure raven]

I have a theory which is an expansion on another popular theory, that of vivi coming back after wano with kuma's fruit.

According to that theory, vivi should get kuma's fruit and come back so that she becomes the last straw hat with the 29 fruit and fill all the numbers from 1 to 10

My addition is that she will eat kuma's fruit from one of nami's tangerines, and here's the reasoning behind it

what

Nami's tangerines always had a weird spot in the story, being explicitly mentioned in two important moments (which are when she gets her tattoo and when franky finishes the thousand sunny) but never plays an actual structural role in the story (ie nothing happens because of the tangerines)

[pure raven]

sorry but i dont buy your theory

Remember how the fishmen had a sun being stamped onto a symbol of oppression? That's the same thing that nami did with her orange tattoo on arlong's symbol

[pure raven]

Okay, good for you

😄

Now, vivi, being a royal herself, eating a fruit that was used as a cover from another oppressive symbol, that itself was paralleled to the same thing but from the opposite perspective (which is vivi's, a royal), would add an extra layer of meaning to the whole tangerine tattoo thing, which as of now has no extra purpose outside of nami's flashback, as well as give the tangerines a physical reason to exist for the plot

So vivi eating kuma's fruit from nami's tangerines would have a quadruple purpose: to fulfill the theory of the numbers, to give vivi power, but also to both give the tangerine and the tangerine tattoo new meaning as well as a purpose in terms of story progression

End of theory

Oh and of course vivi has to come back because of all the emotional stuff at the end of alabasta, where they promse to be shipmates again in the future

[sacred hawk]

I just realized something. Remember how Hawkins had that one card that could let somebody surpass their limits?

What if that was the Tower card he drew at the end of his fight with Killer? And that's why Kid and Law are able to keep fighting Big Mom even though their awakenings should be draining their energy?

[grizzled fog]

Their energy has been drained through, they’re both super tired. And why would that card affect them? On accident? Or somehow Hawkins’s cards affect completely random people?

[neat marten]

It’s been shown that his cards have had effects on random people but I doubt it’s given them a boost of any sort. The draw of the card was merely meant to be symbolic of their eventual victory

[pure raven]

the fact that he didn't actually draw a card that explicitly expands one's limits during the fight makes me think he did it for kid and law

[lime python]

it's not just one card he's referring to, he's just talking about his good cards, the immediate card he draws after that allows him to chase luffy and zoro could be classified as a card that "expands power beyond it's natural limits"

[copper palm]

Ok i remember Oda saying that th first half of the story will mirror the second half if this would be true would you agree with me that we are currently at thriller Bark?

[muted ember]

Yes I brought this up some days ago but idk about Oda saying that

Here's where I started the convo if you're interested I haven't made a long form full theory yet but I plan to

[copper palm]

I mean this is the first time i really thought about it because if we go from dresrosa onwards it really makes sense dresrosa >Alabasta WCI>WT7 Wano>TB

[rustic granite]

Imo,
Onigashima>Enies Lobby

[sturdy hawk]

Never said that. Only comparable ones are Dressrosa and alabasta but they are still completely different

[copper palm]

I mean they are definitly different but they have lots of Parallels same with WCI and Enies Lobby with the Retrieval Arc and Wano an TB with Morias connection ot Kaido

[muted ember]

I have it like this:
FMI - Arlong Park
Punk Hazard - Whiskey Peak, Drum, Little Garden
Dressrosa - Alabasta
Zou - Skypeia
WCI - W7 Saga
Reverie - Post Water 7
Wano - Thriller Bark

[copper palm]

Yeah i would agree with that exept Punk Hazard not because i think i fits somewhere else just because it really doesnt mirror anything IMO

[muted ember]

Whiskey Peak was a Summer island and Drum was a winter island. Oda just combined them. Little Garden parallel is Yeti Cool brothers and the introduction of gigantification experiments, plus Shinokuni looks a lot like Mr. 3's wax

I got more but I really need to just do the full theory

Oh yea Law talks to Doflamingo on den den mushi after his subordinates are defeated like Sanji and Crocodile

[copper palm]

Yeah didnt think about that before you are correct on that one i believe

But that means what we have before us now is Sabaody, Amazon Lily ,Impeldown, and Summit War

[muted ember]

These are all off the top of my head I haven't even started putting the theory together yet lol

[muted ember]

Agreed

[copper palm]

Where would you put a possible Elbaph Ark Sabaody or Amazon Lily?

[muted ember]

Amazon Lily. I kind of envision a very similar arc with Usopp instead of Luffy. There's some superficial parallels we can draw already they are both based on mythical warrior tribes and have famous pirate crews

[acoustic gale]

Do you bois have feeling that Elbaf will be like 30 chapter long arc with bunch a info dumps

[copper palm]

yeah i would guess so there isnt so much time left in the story for there to be an extensive Elbaf arc

[blissful shuttle]

I wouldn't mind, that's still a year of chapters and it'd be all killer, no filler (not that there's ever filler)

[limber apex]

Guys playing 3d chess, good work

[muted ember]

Ty Ty 🙇🏿‍♂️

[tepid nymph]

who’s in charge of the Wiki? should Poseidon not be considered a form of the Voice Of All Things?

[grizzled fog]

Probably not, it’s never really been connected

[weak arrow]

I mean, it’s probably connected in a way, but they aren’t the same thing

[summer karma]

Theory: Jack is the son of Tom

1. Jack and Tom are the only puffer fish fishman in the story.

2. Jack has the same body type as Tom, I know a couple people have this body type but its well enough to be noted.

3. Jack's name. This is a little pun but the name of rogers ship is the oro jackson.
   Based on the fact that iceberg named the ship.

It makes alot of sense to think Tom did for roger.

Jackson to Jack-son. It could be a hint.

4. Franky potentially being the son of Queen. Franky and Queen clearly are very similar. From Queen and frankys nature to them both being cyborgs and genius inventors the shades.

Given that king isn't his real name. Seems even more likely for Queen not be his real name.

Queens name may potentially be cutty ... and will reveal he is the father of franky.

The parallel that would come into play is that franky and Jack were born to 2 people with genius engineering ability who used their talents for opposite things.

Jack who would have become a genius inventor if his father didn't abandon him ended up becoming a mini kaidou and chaotic monster.

Franky who should have become the next Jack of the beast pirates was raised by Tom and trained as a shipwright inheriting toms will

Also the oden flashback also verifies to us that franky had not met Tom 27 years ago.

Which means he was likely on the beast pirates ship with Queen since we know kaidou met king 33 years ago.

[amber oar]

for both Queen and Jack their narrative arcs are closed. Well Jack never had much of a background to begin with. An Queen's background is being on MADS and that's it. He doesn't need any more.

Queen is 20 years older than Franky, which makes paternity viable, but it's a fairly young age to be a father and that makes it a bit less likely. Plus, Franky was born in the South Blue. Queen was born in the Grand Line, just like everyone known in MADS except Judge; it's a fair assumption their activities were located there. That would have given them more access to resources like money and Devil Fruits (in which they experimented on). With all those things in consideration it's quite unlikely that Queen randomly decided to take a detour to the South Blue and father a child. Specially at that age. (Roger did exactly that when he was already retiring and about to die).

Ultimately Jack and Queen being relatives of someone else wouldn't contribute anything to their development as characters.

[sand sail]

Jack doesn't have the same body type as Tom really, being the same kind of fish doesn't matter at all, that's actually almost less likely to help here

The name play for the Oro Jackson doesn't really make sense, and given their epithets, Jack is likely to not even be his actual name lol

Fishmen don't have a linear bit of genetics like that, someone born from a certain line can be a fishman of any kind that's present in the line

[amber oar]

Bean beat me to it lol but yeah, fishmen/mermen are stated to be so mixed, any kind of fish can randomly pop out in their offspring. They actually consider it weird that humans resemble their relatives

and yes, it's weird to elaborate a theory based on the idea that Queen's name is not real but for some reason Jack's is

[gray creek]

Jack is a grouper or something, not a pufferfish

Not that that makes the relationship impossible, as previously pointed out. Just a correction lol

[twin widget]

this is gonna sound stupid as hell but would be kewl to me

since we basically know elbaf is a land that takes a lot of inspiration from norse mythology and that usopp wants to go there to become a brave warrior, its sorta obvious that its gonna happen and he'll most likely get a power up. i think that he'll get a new weapon, yes, but not a new slingshot or at least that won't be the only thing he gets. i think as proof of him becoming a true brave warrior, he will get the weapon of a brave and strong warrior from norse mythology, aka thor's hammer Mjollnir

also it'd make a bit more sense since usopp also has been known to have hammers as a weapon

[twin void]

Makes sense since he and nami said they were weak while protecting tama

[split glacier]

There is Loki. I guess they need a Thor, the giant killer...👀

[twin widget]

yep. also there is that one tale of david vs goliath where a small man beats a giant with a slingshot

[split glacier]

Someone just watched Ohara's video 👀 😂

[weak arrow]

Usopp getting mjnolnir is an old theory anyway

[twin widget]

never heard anyone talk about the usopp gets mjnolnir theory before but i wouldnt be surprised if someone thought of it before me

[weak arrow]

This gets spread everywhere but yeah i sort of like the idea as well. Nami got a huge power-up in this arc and now usopp will get some sort of equivalent in elbaf

[twin widget]

ah damn seems like i was a bit late to bring it up

[pure raven]

why would usopp (The sniper of the crew) give up his slingshot for a giant hammer he wont be able to hold because hes usopp.

thats assuming this mjolnir is even real and not just headcanon

I was in the middle of writing a big sentence about usopp getting a power up related to the adam tree but my discord restarted in the middle of me writing and deleted it so fuck it

[smoky loom]

Usopp will upgrade with a bow

even though I don't see how he can ever beat Van Augur

[craggy pumice]

Usopp is a sniper but he also always liked to use hammers

[snow herald]

Usopp was sniping insane distances before the time skip, and here on out will only get better. I can see him beating van auger's feat

[severe ice]

The precise moment When Franky told everybody "some" Pirates abandoned him makes me think cuz we don't know any detail about that story.
The other arguments are fine tbh!

[proud tree]

You pair Skypia with Zou?

in ZOu there was not even an enemy on the island

(besides Kanjuro)

[gentle lily]

They have to go up into the sky to get to it, they meet an ancient society allied with the ancient kingdom in some way that protects a poneglyph.

Also roger is mentioned to have been there, and some insinuation about Oden (cause he carved the one in skypeia)

Both societies have to do with the moon

[gentle lily]

Then how about this after
Saboady - idk about this one, maybe pirate island
Amazon Lily - Elbaf (Isolated island not associated with WG, Luffy will learn about Ace/Sabo here)
ID/MF - idk about this one, maybe some timeskip/finding OP, then the final war

[heady parrot]

the comparisons between the first and second half of one piece may end with the next arc. amazon lily, impel down, and marineford only happened the way they happened because the strawhats were separated in sabaody which i don’t see happening again.

[limber apex]

Think we’ll have another time skip? Idk seems to late in the game at this point

[muted ember]

I think the SHs will be separated again, probably within the next 50 chapters

Mark it down lol

We're at the tail end of Thriller Bark with the parallels, the Straw hats need to team up against a single enemy. I thought it would be Kaido but it might be Big Mom since she's a giant like Oars, but I still think Kaido will be a giant when he awakens

[shut finch]

Pls no

[muted ember]

I would bet money

[shut finch]

I don’t want it but I could see it. I think there’s a chance Robin gets captured again by somebody down the line. Another separation storyline is hard to picture though

[lyric berry]

I think they will separate for a reason (need to gather allies, find ancient weapons) but regroup at the final battle

[gentle lily]

I'd recommend watching a video by The Hidden Island called "Sabo Says - A Second Timeskip in One Piece?"
He brings up story parallels to the first saga and argues why should they stop there. Oda has already claimed that he writes OP as two side to the same coin, so i dont see a time skip being ruled out

[craggy oak]

From the latest panel, it shows that Zunesha might have a devil fruit? if he does then it could be the most powerful devil fruit since the five elders tried to remove its name from history. And as we know Zunesha is controlled to walk and has walked for 1000 years. So we know that Tama's DF can control smile users. Zunesha having a smile fruit is unlikely due to him being so old, but what if the DF awakens...? Tama's DF Previous Owners might have awakened the fruit and controlled zunesha and therefore has died so he can't reverse the order.

[hoary hatch]

That is a very good theory.

[red light]

i like this theory

[eternal cloud]

tamas control powers arent exclusive to smiles

[craggy oak]

yes but zunesha might have a devil fruit

[red light]

like if they tried to erase it. it's gotta be something ridiculously strong

[final cypress]

Yeah, she can control animals.

[craggy oak]

exactly

[hoary hatch]

I'm just hoping that the "mythical super scary fruit" will not turn out to be Luffy's Gomu Gomu fruit. Because the 5 elders should have already been freaking out over him when they first heard about him then. Tama's fruit makes sense as they could have heard about it being on Wano from the CP0 reporting on how some of Beast pirates suddenly change sides after being fed Tama's dango.

[red light]

i can't imagine what it would be especially for an elephant

[heavy granite]

wait sorry I have 1 braincell.. is the chapter implying that the island of zou is a devil fruit???? whattttt

[craggy oak]

devil*

[red light]

well it might just have one

[uncut delta]

Either ridiculously strong or has a hidden usage that's beyond what we know about traditional devil fruits

[red light]

maybe it could be an introduction to a new form of devil fruits

[uncut delta]

We already know from Blackbeard that there are certain "bodies" that can host more than 1 (most likely from the effects of a yami-yami no mi type fruit)

So it could be something within the same realm as that

[pearl wagon]

Definitely possible but toms brother looks different...

[craggy oak]

Yeah that makes sense! Cuz if he was controlled to ONLY walk he couldn't use his secret powers?

[red light]

maybe its strong enough to withstand more then one fruit

[hoary hatch]

And the earlier bit where Who's Who said they got kicked out of CP9 just for losing one devil fruit that doesn't even have particularly amazing power... Seems out of proportion punishment to a promising agent especially since the Marines and WG have so many Devil Fruits, many of which are more powerful by themselves. So there is something going on with Luffy's fruit, but hopefully the latest chapter instead referred to Tama's dango fruit.

[red light]

zunesha has been a mystery ever since its been introduced so the fact it might be a fruit user could bring more mystery around it

[hoary hatch]

That is the thing with the Fishmen and Mermen. Their kids can end up looking like any of their ancestors, whether Fishmen or Merman. So just because Tom and Jack are the same species, we can't assume that this means they are closely related.

[solemn ruin]

drunk kaido is going to spoil so much stuff in his drunken rants

[craggy oak]

drunken fist

[red light]

if he does that'll be the funniest shit

[craggy oak]

WAIT A DAMN MINUTE
ZUNESHA MIGHT HAVE A DEVIL FRUIT RIGHT?

HOW TF IS HE WALKING OVER THE OCEAN

[weak arrow]

@craggy oak relax with the caps. Also, as long as you aren't like halfway in, you still can use your power and move around.

Sanjuan wolf, that big dude in blackbeard's crew, that also acts as their ship, has a devil fruit

[craggy oak]

he is more than halfway in tho

[sand sail]

Zunesha is only in the sea up to its knees

Most of its body is above water at all times

[craggy oak]

so how powerful is zunesha if it ain't in water

[hoary hatch]

Walking in water is not an issue. If a DF user is deeper than up to their waist, they become really weak. But simply wading in "shallow" sea does not hurt them at all.

[sand sail]

It actually would begin draining them as it climbed over their ankles, they'd start to feel it. It's just they'd have until they get up to the waist before they're paralyzed completely

[grand thorn]

Damn this chat is so calm compared to manga

[craggy oak]

slow mode op

[sand sail]

This channel isn't for general chat, it's for theory discussion

[grand thorn]

I guess so

[agile crater]

maybe he creates some stuff like kaido's clouds to walk on it

[vestal wyvern]

can anyone explain the final 2 pages of the latest chapter im hella confused?

is it just me or anyone else lol

[ancient vault]

My theory back from April last year a bit modified

My theory is that the former WG owned the fruit to control monsters like dragons zunesha etc. to fight the AK.
Then they world nobels tried to take over wano as well but ryuma stopped them all.
Remember the dragon slaying legend? I think that was a real dragon controlled by tamas fruit and ryuma killed both of these people and luckily that fruit ended up being respawned on wano land
Since that fruit has major potential and the WG couldnt find it again they tried everything in their power to make it like it never existed

Since that fruit has major potential and the WG couldnt find it again they tried everything in their power to make it like it never existed

Additionally. The dragon in Oda one shot manga "Monster" was also controlled by an item

Part 2

It goes that the previous owner used to hoard these dragons and maybe other god like races there while also taking them with him to war. The Celestial Dragons as amazed they are by dragons used to regularly visit the place until one day the fruit owner died to ryuma centuries ago the remaining dragons were left on God Valley as something like tourist attractions for the Celestial Dragons. Maybe only one dragon survived and they worshipped that particular dragon

[spare jewel]

wait, are we sure it's zunesha tho?

[agile crater]

well zunisha is near wano coast

[weak arrow]

So it seems that they want to erase Robin, maybe who's who. Zunisha is a zoan fruit user that was supposed to have been a lost fruit.

[ancient vault]

No its tama

[craggy oak]

yes

[ancient vault]

Adam the gorosei dont know zunesha is there. The WG ships are not talking to the gorosei

[craggy oak]

basically o-tama's devil fruit

[gilded linden]

How would zunisha be a fruit tho

[weak arrow]

They can relay to the gorosei also?

[ancient vault]

Yes. I said that back in april

[willow rampart]

Maybe Zunesha is joy boy? A giant that ate a zoan devil fruit, the giant straw hat might belong to him? He was somehow cursed to stay in that form for ages, also has same eyes as Imu, could be lurking legend

[spare jewel]

wait, so why do we know it's Zunesha
was there confirmation somewhere I didn't notice

[uncut delta]

O-tama's fruit does seem to be pretty OP considering she doesnt seem to be too fatigued even after converting most of Kaido's men to her side

[ancient vault]

Theyre not

[weak arrow]

No, it's not confirmed, just the likeliest answer

[weak arrow]

headcanon

[agile crater]

so zunisha is basically joyboy's devil fruit form?

[spare jewel]

It feels kinda dangerous for the entire nation of the minks to be suicide bombing an entire fleet of marine battleships tho

[gilded linden]

@ancient vault arent they talking to the gorosei on the den den mushi?

[ancient vault]

Theres no denden mushi anywhere near them and the gorosei are talking about completely different topcis. The conversations happens simultaneously. Its a narrative parallel to hint at the fact the fruit and zunesha migjt be related

[vestal wyvern]

i dont get why zunisha or what is zunisha? is it an animal who ate devil fruit or someone who ate zoan devil fruit which turned into zunisha (sorry if that doesnt make sense lol idk how to explain it)

[uncut delta]

I dont think so, I think those are two separate distinct conversations happening at the same time.

[ancient vault]

No the ships are talking to each other. Telling them to stay in formation and to await further orders

[ashen siren]

@gloomy canyonis this only-manga-theory channel?

[weak arrow]

Except it's clear they've been in contact with Lucci already with lucci receiving orders from the gorosei to capture Robin.

[ancient vault]

Is that lucci?

[craggy oak]

t-snail?

[weak arrow]

you think the person cant contact lucci?

[agile crater]

it can very well be an island which ate some type of mammoth devil fruit

[spare jewel]

lucci was way cooler looking than that guy

[ancient vault]

Then we would see that. We dont tho. So ur headcanon of lucci contacting them is baseless

[weak arrow]

your headcanon that they cant communicate with the gorosei is also baseless

[solemn ruin]

what if Zunisha is an actual giant who ate a devil fruit? Like a giant person who ate the elephant fruit?

[gilded linden]

What i thought was that just how the “ancestor” ordered zunisha to roam the earth, Tama awakening her fruit couldve let her reverse that order, just no ideia how shed talk to him

[ancient vault]

Meanwhile my assumption of them not talking to eachother is literally in the chapter. I didnt say they cant. I said they arent

[weak arrow]

also we see that the dude is talking to the other ships

[gloomy canyon]

Wdym. Yes it's the channel where you can make theories about the manga.

[uncut delta]

I prefer to think both conversations are unrelated and they were only framed in that way to make it seem more dramatic

[spare jewel]

maybe it's a fruit with something to do with zunesha rather than actually being eaten by zunesha?

[agile crater]

he can be joyboy too then

[ashen siren]

well these guys are chatting lmfao, i mean most of them

[ancient vault]

We dont even know if lucci is on the ship lol. Matter fact im pretty sure the dialogue in which lucci was in was more so directed towards lucci not being on his way to wnao

[vestal wyvern]

its just so random to me why zunisha i dont get it, ik the legend but its so weird how hes a zoan user

also why is he nearing wanos coast?

[weak arrow]

So do you think lucci wont interrupt this gorosei meeting with reports?

[spare jewel]

Maybe there are several giant elephants walking around in the ocean, maybe that's what those things were in thriller bark

[weak arrow]

If you dont think lucci is there, then there's clear communication from marejois to wano

[willow rampart]

It can be possible that Zunesha is a giant who ate a zoan devil fruit, could be the mythical world elephant fruit(search it up), the giant straw hat could in turn be Zunesha’s and could be the lurking legend and possibly joy boy as he shares Imu’s eyes

[vestal wyvern]

also why do the gorosei's refer to the fruit as a "legend", would that mean the legendary devil fruit is a zoan "giant elephant" fruit?

[agile crater]

so maybe zunisha is the zoan form of someone who ate a zoan fruit and then that person was instructed to walk in their zoan form for a millennium because they committed some type of sin

[ancient vault]

Do we see that? We dont even see the WG ships contacting lucci. The panels flow simultaneously. The conversation happens simultaneously.
Otherwise oda wouldnt have had the goroseis speech bubble line up with zuneshas shadow

[weak arrow]

the conversations dont happen simultaneously.

That seems to be your main issue

[willow rampart]

There’s a mythical world elephant in Hindu/China that carry’s the world on its back

[ancient vault]

What i mean is

[vestal wyvern]

wait thats genius

[willow rampart]

That’s what I’m thinking

[pure raven]

What is in his hand den den mushi?

[vestal wyvern]

never thought of it liek that

[shell kiln]

the punishment could be walking in water forever, which would him weak but wont drown because he feet touch the bottom

[ancient vault]

The gorosei are talking around the same time. While the wg ships communicate the gorosei switch topic.

We wouldnt have the last page line up as a reveal with the goroseis speech bubble.

Either way Oda already said that Zuneshas is a type of species that existed long ago in an sbs

[willow rampart]

Interesting to see where this next chapter will go hopefully we get more information

[agile crater]

yeah

[spare jewel]

welp, time to wait two weeks

again

[agile crater]

yeah but it will be worth it like always

[vestal wyvern]

what is this in reference to?

its a den den mushi but like why does that matter if u dont mind me asking

[willow rampart]

Think they’re saying how the World Govt communicating with Gorosei

[spare jewel]

what if the fruit they're talking about is literally just tama's df, and they know about it because the previous owner was so much stronger or something

[vestal wyvern]

oh yea ok thats what i was thinking aswell

[spare jewel]

and now you're about to tell me how stupid that idea was

[pure raven]

Nothing just confirming it nd whether he is talking to cp0 or lucci or goressei

[ancient vault]

And I think your main issue is assuming sth that didnt happen.
It takes a lot longer to first contact lucci. And then have lucci contact the gorosei. The WGs ships didnt even figure out what it was the moment the gorosei were talking about it

[weak arrow]

That's your assumption they couldnt figure it out b4.

Dude: What is that an island? (offscreen: It looks like a giant elephant)
Lucci: Dings the gorosei: Yo there's a giant elephant here

Gorosei: But this fruit was blah blah blah

[ancient vault]

Thats ur assumption. Mines in the chapter
It didnt happen

[gilded linden]

Thats way too much headcannon

[weak arrow]

You're also making assumptions

[stoic sable]

Is there any channel to read the manga?

[weak arrow]

#announcements has latest chapter. #🔗old-wiki has sites to read the manga

[shell kiln]

it kinda just seems like hes communicating with the other ships

[stoic sable]

Thanks man!

[exotic edge]

Wait we saw that those who have voice of all things can communicate with telephaty(idk if i did spell it right) right? So what if Zunisha is someone who has voice of all things?

[ancient vault]

Where am I making assumptions? Im saying what u said didnt happen. And it didnt happen in the manga so wheres that an assumptions

[frozen jetty]

maybe

[weak arrow]

You're making assumptions all these things happened simultaneously.

You're also making the assumption CP0 reported tama's fruit

[open crown]

I think the last panel is foreshadowing of some kind? It's been talked about that Zunesha was punished to wander for a long time.

Could it be that Zunesha is a devil fruit user and awakened an elephant devil fruit? The fruit's true name not only was wiped from the void century, but in history as a whole, assumedly. I think Zunesha could have some kind of relation with Joy Boy and that's what he was punished for, which makes sense, considering Tom was executed for building Gol's ship even though he didn't sail with them and had little association, even as a friend.

[vestal wyvern]

what does the last panel mean when it says "they were hiding the fruits true name", "from the animals of history"

[tribal rover]

Rlly like the idea someone floated of it being luffys fruit, and his fruit not being the rubber rubber fruit. Extremely off base and probs not true, but would be fun

[vestal wyvern]

not sure if its bad translation or i cant understand

[gilded linden]

Annals not animals

[lean pine]

Zunesha is joyboy, thats why zunesha has same eyes as imu but also why joyboys hat is so big

[gilded linden]

Pretty much meaning they were hiding it from the history

[open crown]

Although in hindsight being punished by the WG to wander for eternity wouldn't make that much sense. Zunesha literally one shot Jack and his whole crew and that much power wouldn't be allowed to roam 'freely' in a sense

[ancient vault]

That was my old theory anyways. But sure
Whatever it oda already said in an SBS zunesha is a special type of species and slightly implied more might have existed in the past

[open crown]

AND he has the voice of all things.

[ancient vault]

Luffys fruit is the worst option u can go to

[weak arrow]

old theory?

[tribal rover]

Doing luffys fruit for the memes tbh, just think it would be funny af

[pure raven]

Kidds df most likely
Or tokis?

[lean pine]

All theorys are assumptions, cp0 might of reported the cause for half of the beast pirates betraying kaido though seems like something that might be mentioned

[ancient vault]

I made a theory back in april how cp0 would notice tamas fruit and its historical importance as well as potential as a fruit and would end up trying to get her @weak arrow

[crimson birch]

the thing 5 elders like is used to erase

[lunar wren]

Have we ever thought that the government want to get rid of all the royal bloodline/leaders of Wano so they can become part of the World Government as they are the only ones not part of the Reverie council of empires and they said "anyone's death won't raise suspicion"

[ancient vault]

Or march idk actually

[pure raven]

Is it in pins?

[vestal wyvern]

whats the timeframe between reverie and wano, is it simultaneously or a lil after?

[willow rampart]

t can be possible that Zunesha was a legendary ancient giant and ate the mythical world elephant zoan(search it up in mythology Hindu/Chinese) he was somehow cursed to roam for ages after the ancient kingdom defeat and left with the Zou, the giant straw hat could belong to him, and he could be the lurking legend possibly joy boy as he shares the same eyes as Imu

[crimson birch]

before

[ancient vault]

Nah but i updated it a bit
Here: #manga-theories message

I‘ll rewrite it soon when i got time

[crimson birch]

wano kuni reverie

[tribal rover]

Oooo i fuck w this idea

[solemn ruin]

Could Zunisha be a giant which consumed the elephant zoan fruit? We've seen two elephant fruits in the series: Spandams sword which had a devil fruit and Jack's fruit is the ancient zoan elephant model: Mammoth. There is still a possibility which might be it and i'd be jumping up and down for months on end after one piece ends if im right on this: Zunisha is a giant with the mythical zoan elephant model: Airavata. One strange connection which is pretty loose and can't really serve as definitive proof: In hindu mythology, Indra was the god closely associated with lightning who rode on the back of Airavata, which is very very strange considering that the people of Zou are skilled at using this element...

[crimson birch]

noice theory bro

[ancient vault]

[lunar wren]

could it be Roc's fruit?

[lean pine]

Not enough heads

[lunar wren]

they mention island

n thats what triggers convo

[stuck jewel]

For some reason I have the image of the giant straw hat being zunisha’s

[vapid minnow]

If Zunesha is actually a zoan user, them is it possible that they could also have something to do with the giant straw hat in Mariejoas?

[stuck jewel]

It’s meant to be

[lean pine]

Its tamas fruit

[open crown]

I had the same idea but you've put this in a much better way than I did.

[willow rampart]

It can be possible that Zunesha was a legendary ancient giant and ate the mythical world elephant zoan(search it up in mythology Hindu/Chinese) he was somehow cursed to roam for ages after the ancient kingdom defeat and left with the Zou, the giant straw hat could belong to him, and he could be the lurking legend possibly joy boy as he shares the same eyes as Imu

[crimson birch]

awakend but tama is still a child how could she awake a devil fruit

[stone trellis]

I’d go for tamas fruit, but there was this whole gig with who’s who protecting this super special fruit for the WG which learned was the gomu gomu no mi. So could there be something special with luffys fruit when it awakens?

[solemn ruin]

i only say airavata and not Ganesha because we've seen Asura in the series already

[open crown]

We've also establushed that Giants can live for a few hundred years so Joyboy being a giant and haven eaten an airavata fruit makes a lot of sense.

[lean pine]

I don't think it was special just he was transporting a fruit and failed to protect it

[vestal wyvern]

is the legendary fruit the gorosei mention is in reference to zunisha? or another fruit

[solemn ruin]

could this be the "lurking" legend

[vapid minnow]

most likely