manga-theories

[pure raven]

It could be also be(10)ten,(31)sai-‘Genius’

So the chapter could also be about the genius Vega punk

And if it’s ,(10)too(31)michi ‘the long way’

The chapter might be about the road ponelglyph

[waxen dust]

yeah we knew about the 1031 thing, I more so leaning on Onigashima falling, while others are thinking it will be Vegapunk reveal

[sly mulch]

It might just be Ussop Chapter tbh

We haven’t gotten a chapter dedicated for him in this battle.

[waxen dust]

Big Mom flashback

[alpine forge]

Oh thnx for that

[waxen dust]

you see a portion of the tree towering over the shore of Elbaf in the beginning of the backstory

[pure raven]

Possibility of laugtale notbeing under sea?. Cloud visible from laughtale.

Anyone got higer resol clip then do share this still 21 min time stamp.

[waxen dust]

[pastel summit]

don't look too deep into it, it's just generic fog so we don't see what the place looks like. It's a viewer-only thing.

[pure raven]

I want to look into it

[pure raven]

I think that Blackbeard might make a move and he kills Kiado and Big Mom by the end of the war.

[karmic hill]

Yeah, blackbeard took credit for 'finishing' Whitebeard off and I think he's gonna take the credit from the Strawhat-Kid-Law-Samurai-Minks-Ninja alliance and probably also steal Kaido's Zoan fruit

[foggy sand]

another major antagonist with the same df would be boring

[pure raven]

I did a theory on it on why Laugh Tale is in the skies. But I can't seem to share images on this "manga-theories" server.

I'm not sure why I couldn't.

[queen arrow]

!pics

[lone hedge]

Get a role (pirate/revo/marine/civilian) in #old-role-info to be able to post pictures!

[pure raven]

"You don't have permission to attach files"

[queen arrow]

get a role

[pure raven]

May I know how? Sorry if Im being ignorant on this.

!pics

[lone hedge]

Get a role (pirate/revo/marine/civilian) in #old-role-info to be able to post pictures!

[queen arrow]

one of those, click in the reaction

[pure raven]

Go to #old-role-info

[queen arrow]

in #old-role-info

[pure raven]

Ah okay thank you guys! 😊

[queen arrow]

you're welcome

[pure raven]

Agree that laughtale wont be underwater

But not so sure abkut it being in skies but possible.

[pure raven]

🤙🙂

[pure raven]

You can read the rest here :

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/p09bom/the_true_name_of_ancient_kingdom_will_of_d_joyboy/

K thnx for the link.

[pure raven]

You're welcome :)

[mystic crown]

Laughtale on the moon.

Moon symbolism been going crazy lately

[cedar ruin]

whats the vegepunk theory

[marble zinc]

people really want some kinda reveal but in reality chapters are just more likely to be

yo continue the fight with yamato + luffy

vs kaido

[empty nebula]

luffy using red hawk might be the fore shadowing for how BB stole WB's power directly. something like giving the devil's soul a body to reside in. or something like that. idk how blueno's words of if you eat 2 df you will go kaboom theory.
but i feel if oda explains using that it would be very much like "it was in your face haha"

[hollow dust]

???????

[eternal notch]

what

that doesn't make any sense, you're saying whitebeard is the devil and bb is the host

[hollow dust]

Did you even watch any of the show or read the manga

Luffy uses red hawk a bunch

[empty nebula]

Devil fruits was said to cause "devil soul to reside in the person who eats devil fruit" explained when blueno says why 2 devil fruits kill.

When ace died. He was in luffy's arms.
When wb died bb was next to him.
Luffy started using red hawk after ace's death. (I know sabo got mera mera no mi)
Bb got entirety of gura gura no mi after wb died...

[acoustic helm]

Man df powers got lineage factor science
Not some paranormal stuff

Luffy's red hawk generates fire using friction

[thick sky]

Hmm so DNA can allow you to travel through time?

[empty nebula]

Lineage factor is used for artificial devil fruits.
Actual df still are paranormal they regrow on its own explained by ceaser clown in punk hazard.

Was red hawk explained in some SBS?

[thick sky]

We only know Zoan have Lineage factor stuff. Not all

[thick sky]

Hmm so DNA can allow you to travel through time?

[acoustic helm]

Well that's the grey area only oda can clear up

Like gun becoming dog

[thick sky]

Df as of now, falls under Paranormal thing rather than scifi

[median slate]

Anybody see that theory that luffy zoro and Sanji will be pirate king

[acoustic helm]

Atleast its not soul trappin stuff

[thick sky]

Nothing is confirmed yet. That conjecture is still valid

[empty nebula]

Vegapunk fed actual df to a machine. It was a gun fed dog dog fruit not other way around. Other way round would be baby 5

[acoustic helm]

Then let's leave it in the grey area then

[tidal tangle]

He just extends his arm rlly fast that it catches on fire

[acoustic helm]

What part of gun becoming dog you didn't understand

[empty nebula]

Its just my speculation/theory/based on canon rumor (blueno's words)

[tidal tangle]

It's probably related to air resistance or sum shit

[thick sky]

There's nothing which can directly be disproved in Yash's theory except his interpretation of Red Hawk

Red hawk is friction. He covers it with haki for that purpose

[empty nebula]

Red hawks's functioning by friction is canon(oda stated in sbs or story?) Or just speculation ?

[tidal tangle]

I haven't read it

But thats how I interpreted it

[thick sky]

If you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains however improbable must be the truth.
It's the most direct and clear explaination

[tidal tangle]

Anyways I think the Df passed on in portions thing is rlly weird

[thick sky]

Yeah

[empty nebula]

Ifaik its not canon. We use our worlds logic and facts and fill in the gaps left by oda. Oda can fill those gaps with what i said too. It would help him in showing how bb did it too. As it wont be the sole example then

[tidal tangle]

Theres no support for it

[thick sky]

It was shown to be Luffy inheriting Ace's will by using a attack which looks like his Hiken

[tidal tangle]

Bb has already shown to be special

[empty nebula]

Thats a good valid counter to my theory. The fact that mera mera no mi exists still. I can accept it

[tidal tangle]

^

The friction thing is more plausible anyways

[thick sky]

But then again, it is fiction and any explaination could be valid if it is supported by the facts/rules of OP verse

It's just it being to show inherited will falls under OP themes and is logical

[empty nebula]

It would be cringe if its just inheriting will and magically coming up with powers that remind people of ace.
Luffy tanked bolo breath (fire type attack) and called it guts.!!
Having partial mera mera powers would explain that too

I dont want to call it partial mera mera as it discredits mera mera with sabo but crudely thats what my theory is

[tidal tangle]

He did suffer injuries from the fire attack

[thick sky]

Ehh. It's not magically coming up with it. It's logical.
Luffy tanking boro breath has, idk the word, thematic sense or symbolic meaaning or smth. He trained to stand up to fire, tho being injured from it

[ember trench]

It’s just guts

[thick sky]

^^

The passing of partial mera mera thing would be highly improbable

[tidal tangle]

It wouldn't make sense

We already know only one df can exist within a human except bb

[empty nebula]

It would give bb's shenanigans another example

[thick sky]

I mean I guess it just explains it to be yami yami no mi's power.
It negates df ability so like sand enhances crocodile's powers, complete darkness could enhance BB's so he could extract wb's df or smth
Idk

Just a headcanon I just came up on the spot. Don't ask me for evidence

This is more probable than the devil transferrring thing IMO

Cuz that would open up a whole new level in terms of world building and power system and would be a crappy move

[tidal tangle]

It would be contradictory to already known facts

[thick sky]

Nah. As there's no absolute rule that has been stated that would be broken. It would just be a bad move

[empty nebula]

Another counter i could think of to my initial theory could be that partial devil fruit power would mean that one df can be shared by multiple that doesnt work as explained when kaku and khalifa were given fruits.
But still it would be pretty crazy if oda chooses/chose this path

[tidal tangle]

It is tho

[thick sky]

Or are there? Been a long time I have read it

[empty nebula]

It (one man or woman can eat only one df) was a rumor blueno heard

[tidal tangle]

No

[thick sky]

nah. The gorosei said that BB is the first person in the history

[empty nebula]

He was from cp9 so its quite possible the rumors were from people who studied or tested it..

[thick sky]

So according to their knowledge, BB is the only one

[tidal tangle]

According to scholars

[thick sky]

The devil thing is the rumour

Tho that doesn't invalidate the possibility of it. It just is stupid

[tidal tangle]

The rumour is that if u already have eaten a df and go near one then u would explode due to the devil inside u and the devil inside the fruit fighting

Blueno explains that's the case with ppl who eat 2 dfs

[thick sky]

Yh

[tidal tangle]

So 2 devils can't coexist within one body.

[thick sky]

So that could mean the yami no mi negatea the other df ability, allowing him to have another df

[tidal tangle]

I personally think that bb being able to eat 2 fruits is due to his weird body

And not the Yami Yami no mi

As he's already been built up as a dude with a weird body

He doesn't sleep

[thick sky]

Or that was a distraction... like the known facts.

• his df counters abilities
• like Sand environment enhances Suna suna no mi, darkness could enhance bb's df too.
• they put over a black cloth and make it completely dark

I mean, with df respawning thing, I think its not possible to properly explain it without entering the devil-demon region

[tidal tangle]

Hmm

him absorbing the df was due to the Yami Yami no mi but being able to contain another fruit is due to his body

[thick sky]

Yeah that could be plausible

And make use of both facts

[tidal tangle]

And yea being under the sheet in darkness when his power is stronger may have allowed him to permanently snatch a dfs powers compared to normally when he can do it temporarily

[pure raven]

If you guys notice

[thick sky]

Btw as there is a 15 sec slow mode here so better talk in longer messages and fully explained points

[pure raven]

Blackbeard covering Whitbeard's body entirely with Black covering, is a reference to Magicians in OUR real world where they cover their magic behind a clothing.

And we know this as Black Magic.

[subtle sky]

You know how bonney has a connection with the world government... and she keeps getting captured and then breaking out... Maybe she is used to keep Imu-sama alive

[pure raven]

This is just my headcanon theory. We know that there are claims of magicians using the powers of the Devil to be able to do inhumane things and this is considered selling your soul to the devil.

And we know that Satan is claimed by some religious folks to be living on the seas.

So what if the origins of the devil fruits is a deal made by certain group of people during the Void Century with a devil like being on the seas. These people wanted powers to be able to help their families and societies to grow and flourish. But like how magicians attained their powers from the help of Devil/Demons but at the cost of their life that they had sold to these beings, these people had to suffer the consequence of making this particular deal. Anytime a person dies, their soul gets devoured by the Devil who lived in the Seas thus, whenever they went into the ocean, the seastones weaken them and drag them all the way below under.

And Blackbeard's devil fruit powers being able to stop/suck in the powers of other dfs is particularly due to this connection with the Devil.

Just like the magicians are to the Devil.

I dont want to say that the Devil exists in One Piece but the fact that Oda named such fruits as Devil Fruits would somewhat imply for there to be a devil like being in One Piece.

__
Oda just hadn't shown it yet.

And last but not list, if this theory is right, then it would explain why the devil fruits are able to resurrect under the seas.

When a devil fruit user dies, this devil like being is able to capture their souls, and resurrect them below the seas due to the deal.

Unless someone stops this Devil like being, the curse will forever continue to occur. How will they stop this? I honestly have no idea.

---

And a good movie to describe all of these would be:

[light onyx]

Black beard will. Become squid guy

[pure raven]

But I could be wrong tbough 😄😂

[pure raven]

Yea of some sort haha

[light onyx]

His third fruit ?

[pure raven]

If the first two fruits is earthquake and darkness, imagine how much equally/more terrifying the third will be. O.o

[light onyx]

Tentacles to drag you into the darkness

[snow grove]

i think from now on conquerors haki will be like super saiyan

[light onyx]

Conq Haki x2

[pure raven]

I mean ODA is inspired by Dragonball afterall 🤣🤣

[light onyx]

Probably would be a thing

[snow grove]

bruh exactly

[pure raven]

I really miss dragonball

[snow grove]

after wano arc it'll be all about the big dogs so we'll see to many conquerors

[pure raven]

The hype levels would go beyond our minds can ever imagine

[snow grove]

sheesh

[pure raven]

Haha yea sheesh

[snow grove]

captain kid is a useless conqueror he doesn't deserve it

[spark mortar]

yo

you lot how many chapters you think luffy is away from defeating kaido

[wind warren]

I think elbaf will be one of the two next arcs

[full trout]

20

cause there is gonna be other fights in between

[bright eagle]

I don't know if someone already said it, but I found something interesting on Chapter 976. The three Akazaya who are currently dying (or maybe already died) all said explicity that they are dying that night.

[light onyx]

Hopefully kawamatsu doesn’t die

[bright eagle]

I hope some of the death sticks till the EoS

[hexed thistle]

🧐

[dense haven]

i think joyboy is alive boiz

he's coming straight from the void century via toki's powers

[hollow tartan]

Toki can't go to the past

[narrow scroll]

Toki dead

[light onyx]

Probably he could erase everything from existence due to being rubers

[hollow tartan]

She can only go to the future

[narrow scroll]

isn't she dead?

[hollow tartan]

We don't know

[dense haven]

toki sent him 800 into the future in the void century

[sturdy hound]

well, it could work if joyboy was sent into the future before toki travelled

[sand sail]

^

The premise was that it happened already, not that it was something she did later

[dense haven]

and thats why roger was late to meet joy boy

[hollow tartan]

Maybe

[dense haven]

toki sent him to the year next poseidon would be born

[narrow scroll]

What do you think is rayleigh stronger than current luffy? (current chapter at least)

Even better of a question, was rayleigh stronger that luffy after luffy's training?

[hollow tartan]

But how did she knew Poseidon was going to be born in that year

[waxen dust]

I am thinking that Joyboy died before the existence of the DFs

[dense haven]

i think it said every 1000 years or so they're born

[hollow tartan]

Yes he's still stronger

[dense haven]

so she estimated the time

[hollow tartan]

Than Luffy

[hollow tartan]

I don't think so

[dense haven]

but all the details aside, whitebeard said that someone will appear carrying history of all those decades on his back

also, anyone else think the great kingdom is under wano or something?

[waxen dust]

I am more so thinking Wano is a mini replica of the AK. The actual AK is most likely Laugh Tale or already destroyed

[dense haven]

hmm

i think ancient kingdom is probably destroyed as well

it would make so much sense if fishmen used to live there

and noah's arc was made to carry fishmen from ancient kingdom to some safe place

ryugu palace in fishman island is a japanese folktale too, so it fits that it's right under wano

[waxen dust]

Well AK could be assumed as Pangea so every race would be living together in a sense

[tidal tangle]

No he's not

U think old Rayleigh could've stalled kaido for 30 mins

[dense haven]

yeah, and all the non-human creatures like tontattas being enslaved and minks having to live on top of an elephant

none of them have an island of their own

actually, there was still dressrosa and alabasta island in void century, right?

[tidal tangle]

Yea

[dense haven]

so it cant be pangea

[tidal tangle]

Dressrosas royal family joined the other royal families to form the cds

[tidal tangle]

Y not

[dense haven]

wouldnt the fact that they existed back then prove they were islands?

[waxen dust]

they could have been regions of Pangea as well

[dense haven]

like group of islands?

[waxen dust]

no, like different sections within Pangea

[forest rampart]

A bit compilation of potential mythology in Hiyori, and could possibility be her df (in which I'm not sure about it if not against it). If she does has df power, it'll focus on healing rather than combat.

• The Vermilion Bird
  is one of the Four Symbols of the Chinese constellations. It is described as a red bird that resembles a pheasant with a five-colored plumage and is perpetually covered in flames. It is known as Suzaku in Japanese.

• No healing power.

• Fenghuang
  are mythological birds found in Sinospheric mythology that reign over all other birds. The males were originally called feng and the females huang, but such a distinction of gender is often no longer made and they are blurred into a single feminine entity so that the bird can be paired with the Chinese dragon, which is traditionally deemed male.

• Peacock (her Komurasaki's kimono has a peacock design)
  symbolizes long life, leadership, beauty (Komurasaki), sophistication, dignity, psychic vision, love, and pride.

• Healing
  Peacock Feathers have been used for healing for tens of thousands of years in every culture throughout time. They are said to carry Spiritual Healing Energy that can be used to assist people seeking balance and harmony in their lives. With the proper guidelines of use, they allow the individual to connect with the Universal Healing Energy and use this energy to heal people of all of their complaints, imbalances and disease.

The meaning of Peacock’s feather is the protection against evil spirits. This shows the power of peacock feathers as healers and guardians.
Moreover, the eye-shaped mark on its tale indicates opening your third eye Chakra, discovering your psychic gifts, and reconnecting with your higher self. When you look at the Shamanic traditions, the Peacock animal spirit is a healer.

My thought: I believe that Hiyori, or at least, Komurasaki, has a mythology based on peacock because of the peacock obvious design on her kimono. It could also be that she have all the three mythologies above in herself since sometimes (if not most times) Oda have use like two mythologies for a character. Imo if she has a df, it could be a Fenghuang rather than a Vermilion/Suzaku but it'll be a combination of both mythologies at the same time. But the thing is, only peacock has been referred to be related with healing. Sure there are a few more birds with healing power out there but I dont see any of them would fit, but could be that I'm missing two or three that could fit.

[waxen dust]

similarly to how Wano has different sections

[dense haven]

wouldnt that leave some islands with extra features?

like dressrosa with snowy places

[waxen dust]

not necessarily because Dressrosa is now broken off and ironically enough they have Green Bit right next to them

[dense haven]

lol i guess

also reminds me how there's a chunk missing from sky island

[waxen dust]

Like in Wano, Flower Capital and Udon are next to Ringo, but neither region interferes with the other’s weather

[dense haven]

one eye went up to the sky, and the other eye is just missing

i think that's green bit

[waxen dust]

possibly since Noland visited them

[dense haven]

the cp9 dude said ancient slaves worshipped sun god nika

[forest rampart]

That's nakrowa island, that probably has the emerald city.

[dense haven]

and the only ancient slave we know are the tontattas, and nika has the silhouette of the guys from sky island

[forest rampart]

What about the fishmen?

[dense haven]

oh, and speaking of the pangea thing, i just remembered oars was a "continent puller" or something

[dense haven]

fishmen werent "ancient" slaves i dont think

[light onyx]

Everyone was a slave

[dense haven]

lol everyone's a slave after void century

[light onyx]

Skypieans are cool tho

[dense haven]

https://thelibraryofohara.com/the-one-piece-timeline/
^here though, it says during void century, tontattas got freed from slavery due to donxiquote focusing all their effort into the war

other than that, only other slave is celestrial dragon slaves

one thing for sure, fishmens used to live somewhere else

[light onyx]

Hey don’t you think it’s weird that the allies suddenly got a upper hand despite the great kingdom having so much power

[dense haven]

people are saying imu betrayed the great kingdom

[light onyx]

I think that the allies may have made a deal with the devil which resulted in devil fruit

The person who made the deal was probably imu or a descendant of imu

[dense haven]

hmm

[light onyx]

Hence why they all bow down to him and call him the one true king

[dense haven]

well, it's allies for a reason

because they had to gather all the man power to bring down one kingdom

[light onyx]

The great kingdom also had allies powerful ones

They also had control of sea kings and a weapon that Could destroy islands

[dense haven]

maybe not devil fruits, but maybe imu did something

[light onyx]

Ig

[dense haven]

also, toki had the toki toki no mi before the war

[light onyx]

Oh. Right

Do you think the great kingdom had a lot of it and the allies had a way to combat it

[dense haven]

lol my theory on the great kingdom is that it was fishmen

[light onyx]

Lol why’d you think that

[dense haven]

it just feels that way

[light onyx]

Fair gtg

[dense haven]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urashima_Tarō
^this is what fishmen island is based on

and it's a japanese folktale where a fisherman helps a turtle, gets dragged into the underwater dragon palace, etc

and since wano is japanese, it makes sense fishmen being the great kingdom under wano

and then poseidon having control of sea kings(makes sense why great kingdom was so strong), noah's arc relocating fishmen to a safer place after losing war, and joy boy's promise to bring fishmen back to where they were from, etc

[raw palm]

Why you writing so much

If you have a theory you think is great then make a video. We nakamas will definitely watch it

[forest rampart]

people. who are they? youtubers? reddits? twitter? instagrammers?

[ancient vault]

Not everyone has the time to make a youtube vid but still wants to share his ideas

[sinful bolt]

Bringing this up again for reference

[red imp]

just saw someone said that nika is skypiea joyboy

i thought theres only one joyboy in one piece....

[waxen dust]

possibly there are multiple Joyboys

which explains the chambers under Mariejoas

[fathom matrix]

Joyboy might be a title. Like, Nika could have been the first joy boy, and every 100 years or so, there's a new one, and currently Luffy's the new Joyboy.

It might not be like Shirohoshi where there's reincarnation, but in fact it's just someone LIKE joyboy and they act like and seem like him, that they're given the title

[fathom matrix]

Huh, maybe you need 3 hearts to have multiple powers. I guess with object zoans, they technically already have 1 heart.

Devil fruits need a container or a vessel to house the power. And maybe the heart acts like the vessel for that power, whilst it changes the biology of the user.

Like, Caramel was eaten whole, but because her heart housed the power, Big Mom pretty much ate that and recieved the soul soul frui abilities.

Maybe Marco was for def right on how he has a weird body, because BB was a zoan. He might not show any tako tako no mi powers, because that would unveil the illusion or reason why he can have more.

Hell, if Vegapunk found out he had an octopus zoan, he could study the biology of them, do a few experiments, and say "hey, Octopuses have 3 hearts, I gave this rat an extra heart, fed it 2 devil fruits and it recieved both abilities without exploding"

[royal marlin]

From any chapter ever manga ?

[fathom matrix]

sorry?

what do you mean?

Plus, we all know Zoans effect the user's base form, like how Chopper gained sentience, kaido's got harder skin, orochi can survive getting his head cut off, carnivourous zoans make the user more viscious. So if BB did have an octo zoan, he could have given 3 hearts

Allowing for 2 extra slots.

They never took back whitebeard's body, so the marines couldn't operate on it, saw what was missing and say "hold up, someone took a bite of this heart" or "whitebeard's heart is missing"

[iron plume]

ok so i hope i dont sound stupid but i have an idea

what if Gol D. Roger is the main villain of One Peice??

[fathom matrix]

I don't think that would be a very good twist

[iron plume]

yea XD

[waxen dust]

reread

[iron plume]

I just meant like he started luffys adventure which causes him all the pain and shit

[waxen dust]

Shanks started Luffy’s adventure not Roger

[iron plume]

well i meant the era of pirates**

[fathom matrix]

Honestly, I think the simplist answer is the best.

Roger wanted to find the greatest treasure, he did, but he couldn't be there to witness it's true glory, so he had a son to take over and see it, while giving other's a chance too.

I legit think he wasn't that much of a master mind, but a guy who had an idea, wanting to give people a challenge and fun

[iron plume]

oh actually you got a point there

[fathom matrix]

Also, Luffy's suffering....was for def not because of Roger. A justice hungry marine magma fisted his brother, because he was sent to be executed but got caught by the man who betrayed his crew, Luffy lost his crew because he punched a CD and Kuma saved them without him knowing, Luffy willingly risk his life fighting a poison man, and his other brother wsd thought to be dead, because he got shot by a celestial dragon.

Plus a lot of physical suffering, comes from Luffy heading into dangerous situations he WANTS fight in

[iron plume]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-spongebob-squarepants-wow-mindblown-gif-13169052

[light onyx]

Sogeking will most likely make a return when they get to elbaf

[heady parrot]

The final chapter of one piece will come out on Thursday, December 21st, 2028. It will be chapter 1325.

The final episode of the anime will come out the following Sunday, the 24th. Christmas Eve.

Reminder that Doflamingo was defeated on the 200th anniversary of the battle of waterloo. Oda loves numbers.

[spark mortar]

who told you

[heady parrot]

1325 is thousand san-ni-go. if we extrapolate 39 chapters a year the closest aligning thursday for chapter 1325 to land on happens to be december 21st, 2028. coincidentally the winter solstice and perfectly aligning for the following sunday anime premier to be on christmas eve.

[spark mortar]

that’s is accurate in my option

we need to go to elbaf raftel final war revolutionary army dragon power all secrets imu other yonkos and extc

[heady parrot]

since the latest chapter was 1025 funny enough that means when i came to this idea we are now 300 chapters away

300 chapters seems much more reasonable for how much there’s left to cover especially if Elbaf gets the time it deserves as a proper length arc.

[spark mortar]

i think they will go to elbaf

cause big mom fled there for there help and lola got captured and know she’s using that power

to team up with giants

[heady parrot]

it would be an injustice to usopps character for the strawhats not to go to elbaf

[spark mortar]

yeah he will get a massive powerup there

and become a brave warrior and then all the character have developed ready to defeat bb pirates

am i right

[heady parrot]

i mean thats what id like to see.

wano -> post wano / reverie 2 -> elbaf -> lodestar -> god valley (?) -> laugh tale -> final war /mariejois

if i had to guess the next arcs / islands it’d probably be this. final war might be at mariejois.

[spark mortar]

yes so true

omg i swear to god that’s where it ends luffy defeats all yonkos

then allies with shanks to defeat wg and then zeheheh comes in and they fight and all admirals bang bang bang

then that’s where they find final poneglyh and that’s the secret doflamingo was hiding

[neon shoal]

Does anyone else believe Monkey D. Luffy and Coby fight together to defeat Marshall D. Teach like Monkey D. Garp and Gold D. Roger fight together to defeat Rocks D. Xebec?

[dusky acorn]

I don't think so. Koby is currently progressing well, and may come out looking even better very soon if the fleet he's in manages to capture the pirate empress like I think they do, but the gap between him and behemoths like Blackbeard and Luffy is still just too big, and it only seems to be widening. I think what all of Luffy and his friend's power-ups in Wano are doing is basically setting them up to not necessarily need as much help as they're currently getting to take down an Emperor crew again. The Luffy vs Shanks or Luffy vs Blackbeard conflicts may as well just end up being pure pirate battles between them and their dedicated crews.

For Koby's case, if Oda were to prepare us for him quickly rising to such a calibre to be fighting alongside huge key players like those two, he would have to do something crazy like make him the actual person who defeated Boa, which is just.. extremely unbelievable for me.

[spark mortar]

and pirate empress

[dusky acorn]

If Oda were to double down on some extreme Koby feats like that, that tells me he might be gunning for his Admiral dream to be accomplished whilst the present story is still progressing. But that just seems unnecessary to me, when he can simply just do it with another time-skip instead

[spark mortar]

true say one@piece ruined his potential

[neon shoal]

You have a good point

[spark mortar]

if koby gets a devil fruit

then he might have a chance it has to be a mythical zoan or paramedic tho

[fathom matrix]

Honestly, I could see Black Beard's last battle being with Shanks. Like what if Luffy never defeats Black Beard, but Shanks is the one to fight and end him?

[dusky acorn]

Most people seem to think that if another Shanks vs Blackbeard conflict were to occur, it would come out as Shanks' loss, and I think I'm inclined to agree. Unless Shanks becomes a mini-main character for a while & goes through a beautiful character arc with motivations that solidify why he deserves to be the one to take down Blackbeard above anyone else, I just can't see it.
Even Law sort of had all those cards going for him, but wasn't allowed to be the one to end Doffy

I think as long as Luffy has his sights set on a villain, they're going to be his final prize, although other people will be allowed to take shots at them

I just realized that last sentence might not age well, depending on how this arc ends with Kaido

Luffy is for sure beating him, but he's definitely not taking the kill, and someone else might

[spark mortar]

no just no

if luffy can’t defeat bb and needs help he ain’t worthy of becoming pirate king

[dreamy rune]

Is it probithited for mc to kill a villain in a shonen series

[light onyx]

Probably and it turns out shanks was a villain

[spark mortar]

yes i think he is

he’s is probaly the son of xebec and has evil in him

[light onyx]

Nah some mcs have killed

[spark mortar]

what’s my

[dreamy rune]

Yeah I just want to see luffy fighting one on one without outside helps or interference.

[spark mortar]

yh cause i think he will he not gone need help for he defeats kaido

[fathom matrix]

well, he doesn't HAVE to lose. Plus Shanks and BB have beef and a history, so it's not too much of a stretch of those 2 fighting 1 last time.

Luffy might beat blackbeard, but TBF, Luffy needed help and 2 rounds of gear 4th beating Doffy, Luffy lost to Kaido, 3 TIMES, and is going in for round 4, and Kaido's fought 16 people.

[spark mortar]

he will be yonko level 😄 after he defeats kaido so bad and him fight shall be close

[dreamy rune]

Well that show there is still small chance that luffy might kill him. I mean imagine if that happens.

[dusky acorn]

Disregarding #other-series, Oda has answered and acknowledged that Luffy doesn't go for the kills on his villains because he sees crushing them as a fate worse than death. That's been his modus operandi for all the arcs up til now

[fathom matrix]

Ya can't call him yonko level yet, when he hasn't taken down kaido fresh from the start, by himself. RN, it's been 17 fighters against kaido, Luffy's going in for round 3 in the same day

[spark mortar]

yes yes

[dusky acorn]

And I think he's definitely not going for the kill on an enemy that actively wants a grand death. Kaido is the last person Luffy should be thematically killing

[spark mortar]

kaido will kill himself one he loses@to luffy after shame and all his plans ruined

[light onyx]

I thought he was the Fifth emperor of the sea

[spark mortar]

omg

[fathom matrix]

He's considered a 5th emporer, but he hasn't beaten one yet

[dreamy rune]

The only one I believe that who could kill kaido is blackbeard

[fathom matrix]

TBH, all Luffy did was fail at an assassination mission and nearly died trying to get 1 person out of there.

[winter scroll]

that was what the newspaper bird claimed but luffy doesn’t actually have anything that proves he is an emporor

[spark mortar]

i think luffy will defeat kaido in a gear 5 with advanced conquerour skin and ryou

[light onyx]

Didn’t Morgans make it seem like he beat up big mom badly

[spark mortar]

he got bitch slapped by big mom and go kicked out of gear 4 hor 🤣🤣

[light onyx]

I mean becoming an emperor of the sea isn’t an actual thing it’s just the peoples opinion of who’s rlly ducking strong

[spark mortar]

bro you know nothing

[light onyx]

Ok

[winter scroll]

nah it really isn’t

[dusky acorn]

We already saw Luffy doing this in the latest chapter with Gear 4 though, what nuance could a G5 bring to the table

[light onyx]

Oh I thought it was could you explain then

[spark mortar]

advanced conquerour haki roger with gear 5

[fathom matrix]

He made a big deal out of how he was able to get so far there, but he's honestly lucky to be alive. Pretty sure if BM didn't have her hunger pains and hungry mode, she'd be more sane and intelligent enough to stop their escape

[light onyx]

Fair

[spark mortar]

yonkos are the balance of seas

yonkos>admiral ext dif

[fathom matrix]

I still feel like Luffy's gear 5th could just be an awakening. Like, he's got blood pumping for speed, bone ballon for power, a transformation for 4th, so I could see 5th being rubber world and haki, to give him a home field advantage. I don't think it's too far of a stretch that gear 5th could be a terrain gear

[winter scroll]

being an emperor is about keeping the balance of the sea such as owning a portion of territory or commanding a large fleet and being apart of the 3 powers

[spark mortar]

yh

[light onyx]

Ahhh

[spark mortar]

should be

[light onyx]

Where would shanks be then ?

[spark mortar]

can you break out of sea prisms stones with haki and why not

[winter scroll]

luffy kinda owns territory but he doesn’t have the same presence as the other yonko and he isn’t part of the 3 powers

[dusky acorn]

Well, the vivre cards said Yamato's handcuffs had seastone in them, and Luffy managed to break her out of it with his advanced armament haki, so if we're to believe that, then the answer is yes

[dusky acorn]

If Kaido has awakening, I'd be more inclined to believe Luffy also achieving it is possible in this fight. A battle of awakenings, Oda loves his final-powerups for the absolute last stages of fights

Definitely agree that it would either turn the terrain into rubber, or make rubber an actual substance he could control (or both)

[light onyx]

Ig he kinda owns fish man island

[fathom matrix]

I just say A.A for advanced armament

[grizzled fog]

Well if you’re wearing them no, as it seems that for some reason seastone stops the wearer from using haki

[spark mortar]

cause you get weak

guys ik where last poneglyh is

wanna hear me out on the perfect theory of where it is

[grizzled fog]

Well that doesn’t really make a ton of sense since luffy had plenty of strength to move around and fight in udon with weaker seastone cuffs on, but he couldn’t use haki

[light onyx]

I also agree that luffy could make his surroundings rubber it’d be like doffy

[spark mortar]

guys

[light onyx]

It would be a great counter to wb devil fruit

[spark mortar]

you know what makes me giggle a bit sometimes

[winter scroll]

yes

[spark mortar]

that ussop would lose to arlong 🤣🤣 after all these 24 years

[winter scroll]

💀

[spark mortar]

i’m being serious aswel

i hope in the elbaf arc he gets some major character development

[dusky acorn]

we can take powerleveling to #manga by the way, it's not supposed to be a main feature of this channel

[spark mortar]

sorry bro

my bad wanna her my perfect theory on where the final road poneglyh is if so like my comment it’s gonna blow your mind

[dusky acorn]

I agree that Usopp is up for elevated development in that arc though. That's why it's fine if he isn't necessarily getting much here, or defeating any significant opponent

[pure raven]

elbaf arc gonna be worst arc just remember my words

[dusky acorn]

Sure, as long as it's serious

[spark mortar]

wonder what doflamingo secret was yes i know? wanna know why the world goverment are never spotted in new world and don’t go after the yonkos and stuff yes i. know in my opinon i strongly believe that the final road poenglyph was seized by the wg hence that’s the secret doflamingo found out and hence he was aloud to become a warlord as if he told anyone the world will fall into chaos and that’s why the navy are so chill about everything and why akainu turned down kizaru proprosal to try takedown kaido and big mom because he knows no matter what they do they will no become the ruler of the pirate world as he has the final ponelgpyh in mariejois and nobody will become pirate king under his watch that’s why yonkos and admirals in the new gen fight like we always use to see roger v garp why not akainu v kaido it’s because there’s no need nobody will become the pirate king without the missing piece in mariejois hence why the navy and wg and so low-key and care worthy as they have the final piece

never fight

[dusky acorn]

I don't think the crucial treasure Doflamingo was talking about is the road poneglyph. We know where the 4th, currently unknown one used to be over 25 years ago. It was at fishman-island. Doflamingo logically learned about the Marijoa secret while he was still a kid in the holy land, no? And that dates even further back timeline wise than Roger/Oden going to FMI to see the glyph there. So. there wouldn't be a chance for that road poneglyph to be potentially moved up in Marijoa for him to see it as a child, during his short-lived time there

[winter scroll]

i was just about to say this

maybe the secret is the other weapon uranus

[spark mortar]

nami is they key or is uranus

there’s huge foreshadowing also where poisedon aka shropshire says to her i think i remember you when i was younger

[queen arrow]

when does that happen?

[spark mortar]

i got a clip

[queen arrow]

also you completely butchered Shirahoshi

[queen arrow]

if you do share it, and say what the episode is as well

[spark mortar]

shall i show

look

sick allie

@queen arrow

[gloomy canyon]

but how is this foreshadowing Nami being the key to Uranus?

[spark mortar]

she’s is the key to it like

luffy being connected to joyboy her being connected to uranus and shiraroshi ks@poised on the past owners where friends pretty much

[queen arrow]

found the manga version, i think you're just looking too much in to it

[pure raven]

have we seen anyone with tokis hair color other than hiyori and yamato?

[grizzled fog]

Just the tips of Yamato’s hair I think

[pure raven]

in the anime its entirely turquoise

[grizzled fog]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/164971940648321024/869403980135018557/image0.webp

[grizzled fog]

That’s not her hair, it’s part of the mask

She literally takes it off and we can see her real hair underneath

[pure raven]

oh

im like literally 1 episdoe away from that i think haha my bad i thought that was just her actual hair

[snow grove]

If kaido wasn't at wano when ace fought against yamato why she didn't leave wano with him

[dusky acorn]

Yamato still had her handcuffs on back then which would explode if she tried leaving the island. Both Ace and Yamato didn't have the necessary haki to remove them

[gloomy canyon]

because she had explosive collars on her wrists that would detonate if she tried to leave the island

[sand robin]

U said ace dont have any haki to remote the collar ???

He is 2nd division commander of White Beard pirate

[grizzled fog]

Even if he did have haki, he certainly didn’t have the advanced form necessary to destroy the cuffs.

[sacred hawk]

I think something similar to Dressrosa will happen, where Luffy unveils Gear 5th, manages to briefly overwhelm Kaido, but runs out and crashes. The entire crew will have gathered on the live floor by then, so they end up holding back Kaido while Luffy heals and Momonosuke has to hold back Onigashima.

[pure raven]

They def setting up a strawhats vs kaido at the end. Thriller bark style

[storm junco]

i dont think so. chopper, robin, and franky are out of commission (franky still up but he lost general which is a huge deal), and zoro is on borrowed time. cant have strawhats vs kaido if half the strawhats are down

[gloomy canyon]

franky could theoretically be out of cola as well. I think he likely is

[storm junco]

hes taking on fodder rn with the heart pirates, but i doubt hes got cola for anything big

[nocturne iron]

No the arc is going to be Kaido v.s. Luffy in the end. The whole point of the arc is that at the end of this arc, luffy will be the one leading the generation. The point of having 1 on 1s with the officers is to establish SH crew as being on par with a Yonkou Crew

[pastel summit]

yeah but they're not.

[storm junco]

last 10 chapters show otherwise

[pastel summit]

Luffy has died about 3 times already against Kaido. He just hasn't actually died.

[storm junco]

the rest of the crew is absolutely on par with yonko crew members

[gloomy canyon]

The gap between Kaido and his subordinates is much greater than the gap between Luffy and his

[nocturne iron]

There is a subset of one piece fan base I don't udnerstand. They literally watch the SH take out several of the Top 6 of Kaido's crew. Are like Nah. They aint there yet.

This group will see luffy find raftel. Nah Luffy isn't read to be pirate king yet

[grizzled fog]

I mean even if you exclude the tens of thousands of crewmates kaido has, they’re still not there. Luffy isn’t at Kaido’s level yet, zoro, Sanji and jinbe are able to take calamities. But only Franky and robin, and MAYBE brook can handle any tobi roppo. Nami and Usopp and chopper aren’t there yet. So no they aren’t on par with them lol

[nocturne iron]

The point of the whole haki training arc thing was too establish a reason that luffy will get stronger over the course of the fight. As luffy said at around chapter 1000 he'll surpass both of them. That will be through the fight. Like I don't get people. Oda has literally written on every page that this whole fight will change the destiny of the world and that if luffy pulls it up he'll be ascending the throne (i.e. What every SH has said through the arc, the CP0 has insinutated and yada yada). Like One piece's editors have stated on multiple occasion at teh end of this arc we are over the climax and the end of one piece should be clear.

[gloomy canyon]

This point would be fair if there hadn't been 15 people dealing damage to kaido

And Luffy isn't even fighting by himself rn

[grizzled fog]

Well he’s not gonna surpass kaido by the end of this fight, seems clear to me that the gap is pretty big

[gloomy canyon]

And he isn't going to surpass Kaido this fight

[nocturne iron]

Franky, Robin, Book, are not as strong as Jinbei, Zoro and Sanji. There we go top 6 equivalence.

[pastel summit]

and also if Luffy didn't get a 100% heal in about 20 minutes while Kaido was fighting arguably his toughest opponent so far.

[grizzled fog]

Even here, at the final bout after kaido has run the gauntlet of 15 or so people, luffy STILL isnt 1v1ing him

[pastel summit]

a lot of the win is circumstantial. It doesn't mean the SHs are a stronger crew. It means they persevered and got lucky. That's how 90% of the series has gone.

[grizzled fog]

Honestly don’t understand what you’re saying here. By top 6 do you mean the flying six? If so are you excluding the calamities?

[nocturne iron]

Luffy has ahd help through every single damn arc. He always gets the credit in the end for taking them down. The thing with one piece world is you don't really know the details of any characters rise to when they are. We get whips and snippets, but for all you know almost every single Yonkou got to where they are by skin of the teeth etc. So making these claims are ridiculous.

[gloomy canyon]

I'm going to be completely honest with you. I don't really understand what you're saying. And also, I think we should move this discussion to #also-manga if you want to continue as this isn't really relating to theories whatsoever

[nocturne iron]

Yep. The point isn't here is one to one equivalenc. sH is a small crew from the get go. I am simply saying you already have six people on SH that are on par with top yonkou subordinates. Thats established just form this arc.

[pastel summit]

Oh man, didn't realize this was theories.

[grizzled fog]

Okay so if you pick 6 people from the strawhats, and you cherry-pick 6 yonko crewmates to compare them with, then they’re equal? So they’re not equal lol. Even if it’s just the top 10

And yea this is theories

[fading thorn]

idk how oda is gonna 1 up kaido for the next villain

it’s hard to go from “strong creature in the world” to anything else

ik luffy had help defeating kaido so you can make the case that luffy will 1v1 another yonko solo but it’s still weird

[pure raven]

theres only 2 other yonko and i dont think hes going to fight shanks

[pastel summit]

my current theory is that BB can use Yami Yami to absorb haki like he can use it to absorb DF powers.

so instead of him being stronger than Kaido, he just makes Luffy weaker.

[pure raven]

why can he do that

[pastel summit]

why not? He says it can absorb anything.

[pure raven]

where di he say that

[pure raven]

sucking in things is different fro mabsorbing

[pastel summit]

Same difference.

if you want I can change my messages to say suck in instead of absorb, the point is the same.

[pure raven]

also why would sucking in haki nullify devil fruit powers

[pastel summit]

??? I never said it does.

[orchid gyro]

Luffy needs haki to use G4 so in a way it would if that was possible for BB

[pastel summit]

yeah true. but he can also just nullify his DF also to stop that.

I'm mainly talking about stopping Luffy's ability to use CoCting or advanced armament.

[jade path]

Man this channel is kinda dead

[sand sail]

This channel is for theories and discussion of theories, not for general discussion. We have #manga and #also-manga for that

[lean pine]

So is Blackbeard's fruit like a black hole

[gloomy canyon]

yeah basically

Actually not basically, it is

[lean pine]

Cool

[gloomy canyon]

His darkness is one that can absorb everything

And he has a literal move called black hole

[junior cape]

Yup, even devil fruits

Momo may awaken to conqueror haki in the next few chapters. After all, we know Oden had it, and momo is now 28.

Hes also facing his fears, and trying to take a leadership stance, so it would be thematic.

[crisp hemlock]

Xebec is a good guy

[crisp hemlock]

ctto

[gloomy canyon]

You mind elaborating?

[teal nymph]

i don't think it will have any effect on kaido though . kaido will most probably be like "oh , now u too can use conqueror haki " just like when when yamato used it as a child

[junior cape]

Oh yeah

[gloomy canyon]

Ofc not. No CoC would ever knock out Kaido

[junior cape]

Never said he could weaponize it

[teal nymph]

then what is the point CoC or not ?🤔

[junior cape]

Crowd control, inspiration

If momo gets it under control at all, he can mop up the fodder and lead the troops

He is a DRAGON after all. That will certainly break enemy spirit.

[teal nymph]

well atm they r on the roof with luffy , yamato ,kadio so Crowd control ? and all of them r already at a higher lvl

[mild kite]

Never thought of Coc relating Momo. He can totally get it

[teal nymph]

see this is a good point , but i don't under stand why ppl like luffy , zoro, kidd who can just KO fodder just don't do it anymore

like during the fishman , marineford war etc

[junior cape]

Crowd control in the sense that if momo leaves the roof, he can cause damage along the way.

[junior cape]

It must have severe effects on the user after use, leading to a long cooldown.

Remember, conquerors haki is literally forcibly off gassing your will in an area. That cant be free of side effects.

It just cant. It either mentally drains you, or physically causes harm/discomfort

[teal nymph]

idk but this is one area where conquerors haki can be most useful but least used imo

[junior cape]

Because it must also be hard to control. It is an amazing power that must have some drawbacks associated with it, or it's just another "Star Finger"

[junior cape]

Also, for how many people we've seen in the New World who have it, and are CONFIRMED to have it, it not being used very often makes sense. What's the point of using this power in that way if the person you're fighting, for better or worse, is likely to have a perfect counter to it, i.e., itself?

A classic example of this is Luffy vs Katakuri. Both have it, both knew the OTHER had it, and they fought without using it for like 8 hours. They only pulled it out when Flampe and the rest of the peanut gallery came out be shit-disturbers, because they were getting in the way.

Conquerers haki is best used for crowd control in that sense, when there are people getting in the way.

Of course, the passives it grants can't be ignored either. We know from Rayleigh that most people who make names for themselves and cause trouble in the world have it in some form or another. Doflamingo was the KING of Dressrosa, and he awakened it after childhood trauma. Dragon is the leader of the Revolutionary Army, and he must have it, otherwise Luffy wouldn't. Gol D. Roger was the King of the Pirates, and we know he had it. If I remember correctly, Sengoku also has it, and he became the Fleet Admiral of the world's Navy. These examples show that those with conqueror's haki naturally attract a following, as well as seek positions of influence, one way or another.

[spice berry]

Conq haki is not genetic

[junior cape]

pretty sure it is

you have to be born with it, heavily implying a genetic component

and unlike other hakis, you cannot train it directly, or easily unlock it. it only shows up after immense trauma, or when the user is mature enough to tap into it (varies by user)

[spice berry]

It's a manifestation of the user's will

[pastel summit]

it's also stated multiple times to be something you're born with, which implies that genetics would influence whether you have it.

[junior cape]

According to the wiki, "It has been implied a number of times that this Haki is based on lineage. Doberman, for example, noted that Luffy possessing Haoshoku Haki made sense since he is the son of the Monkey D. Dragon, the Leader of the Revolutionary Army. It is later shown that Portgas D. Ace, Charlotte Katakuri and Yamato also possess this Haki type just like their parents (Roger, Big Mom and Kaidou respectively). However, not all children from the same parent are born with Haoshoku Haki, as Donquixote Doflamingo, Boa Hancock and Katakuri are the only ones among their siblings to possess it."

So yes, there must be some genetic aspect to it

[dense carbon]

Did either one of Mingos parents have it?

[pastel summit]

unknown, so probably not.

[junior cape]

well, i imagine the ORIGINAL world nobles, the 20 kings, must have had it in order to command a following strong enough to overthrow the world. if it truly is genetic, and those people would have bred only amongst themselves for 800 years, i'd say yeah it's likely that doflamingo's parents had it.

[dense carbon]

So not completely genetic

[junior cape]

they just couldn't use it. they had no reason to. for all they cared, they were already at the top of the world. why strive for more?

[pastel summit]

yeah, it's possible that a lot of people could've had it, but just never manifested it.

[junior cape]

It's probably less of a "dominant vs recessive" gene thing and more of a "epigenetics and gene-expression" thing, paired with personality development.

[pastel summit]

yeah, I think that's pretty likely.

[junior cape]

remember, Doffy's parents were kind (for celestial dragons), and they only wanted the best for their kids among the humans

and they got fucking murdered for it

[gloomy canyon]

That's actually a really interesting thing to think about. Given we know it's something you can't train and have to awaken at some point in your life and seemingly during special circumstances. Imagine all the people who may have it dormant within them that just never fully manifested it

[junior cape]

and then Doffy went on a rampage around the world, pirating and blowing things up with reckless abandon

[dense carbon]

I think once its confirmed that its genetic, Oda will tie Doffys parents as good examples of how he had it but the others didn't awaken it

[gloomy canyon]

I don't think it is or will ever be solely genetic

I don't think all 85 of BM's children have the propensity for it

They don't

[pastel summit]

imo, it ties into Kaido saying "only a handful of the strongest can use it" 'cause like, there's probably a bunch of people with latent CoC, a lot just do not manifest it, a lot, like Ace for example, never control it, and then we're narrowed down to a small group of people who can control it. So now we're in a small group of people, from a small group of people, from a small group of people. and that's just people who can CONTROL CoC, not even CoCting.

[dense carbon]

No Im not sold completely that its genetic. Its just a really big if

[gloomy canyon]

Yeah I agree with this

[pastel summit]

Neither me nor pineapple are saying it's 100% genetic, like you can only get it if your parents had it. Just that genetics can play an influence in the likelihood of you being able to manifest it.

[junior cape]

Yeah, there MUST be some genetic component to it, considering you MUST be born with to to have it.

[pastel summit]

and tbh, as far as I'm concerned, characters saying "Oh yeah, of course Luffy has CoC, because he's Dragon's son" is big enough of a sign to say that it matters.

[junior cape]

We're also saying that there must be other contributing and limiting factors to its awakening and use

[mild oak]

Even garp said so he is born with it as I thought

[pastel summit]

yeah he did.

[junior cape]

yup

Now an interesting question is if Garp has it...

[gloomy canyon]

Yeah I was replying to flash's comment, but I agree. I think having the pirate king or hero of the marine's blood in you would definitely make it likelier to have an offspring born with a latent power like this. Not saying it's guaranteed and there are some with random lineage who are born with it but apples don't fall far from the tree as the saying goes

This is kind of contradictory to what I was saying in #debate-arena but that was mainly to support a different point. But I'd be lying if I said I didn't think Luffy's father being dragon and grandfather being Garp didn't increase the likelihood of him being born with the potential for it

[mellow sapphire]

I don't think Garp is a conqueror tbh, just because he's not the leader type and not terribly ambitious

Conqueror's Haki is a personality thing, I think

basically anyone who has the makings of a king, whatever that may mean

[supple anchor]

yeah i think Garp is a great example that you dont necessarily need CoC to be really strong. He was Roger's main marine antagonist and had him cornered a bunch of times and he was waay stronger than most CoC users.

[modest skiff]

Since we haven’t seen Garp “go all out” I’m not convinced he doesn’t have it. Garp’s strength as a whole is a question mark due to his unique personality IMO

[supple anchor]

yeah thats true, he could definitely have it. Im okay with it either way tbh although i like it a bit more with him not having it

[stuck shell]

Then how came yamato have coc she doesn't want to be a king

[mellow sapphire]

The makings of a king

[stuck shell]

Coc is meant for individual that prefer to act according to them only

[mellow sapphire]

But in that case, with her and Katakuri, it may as well be hereditary

[stuck shell]

That's the reason garp isn't admiral

[sturdy hound]

a person doesnt need want to be a king specifically, just have the disposition to stand above others

[mellow sapphire]

It frankly doesn't make a ton of sense for them and it's just the case because they're heirs to Yonko with strong wills

[sturdy hound]

no, garp doesnt want to be an admiral because he doesnt want to work directly under the celestial dragons. coc has nothing to do with it

[mellow sapphire]

I feel like narratively it's to establish them as Luffy's equal

[sturdy hound]

correlation, not causation

[stuck shell]

That logic very well applicable to monkey D. Family

[stuck shell]

Doesn't that tell too much about his personality

He didn't want to be controlled

[sturdy hound]

it tells us that he does what he wants

doesnt detract from him at all

[stuck shell]

Isn't that trait for coc

One who can't be controlled by others

[sturdy hound]

sure, but doesnt mean he needs to have it

[stuck shell]

Yep no one needs to have it

But he very likely have it

[runic osprey]

Rayleigh and garp most likely have it

Garp im less sure but im pretty sure about rayleigh

[midnight compass]

I think coc hoki is like some dwarf gene concept ( in genetics) which arises in different generations and people need to awaken it (need to master or realise it)

May be someone coc but he didn't realise it or awaken it

[midnight compass]

Luffy gonna to become pirate king and pirate king is not about power or single person strength, its about peoples supporting u and u give help everyone and in return take help also

[grand walrus]

this theory is going off of morj's green bull theory (which I don't necessarily back 100%): If green bull is shimotsuki, he may be the one who makes yamato young again??

im sorry, momo young again

[midnight compass]

BB is a coward so if luffy directly nullify his df then there is no fun in fight or may be he fight with cheating 🤣🤣

[raw palm]

@sturdy hound do we have a break next week

[sturdy hound]

we dont know, all we know that there's a chapter this week

also, this is not the channel to ask. ask in #manga or #also-manga next time

[raw palm]

ok

[raw spade]

👀

[cyan berry]

No

[balmy token]

Nami has already awakened her observation haki

[modest skiff]

!theories @raw spade don’t just post an image. Put effort into what you are trying to say by elaborating. Give people something to discuss rather than figuring out what you are trying to say. We’ve all seen that image 1000 times. Tell us your thoughts if you are going to post it

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using #manga-theories for any joke theories you may have. This channel is strictly for serious discussion on the realm of possibilities one truly believes in, and can explain in a manner that conveys why. Please consider this a general warning.

[eternal quarry]

Have you guys thought that Zeff is in the incident of God valley?

[weak arrow]

I don't think anyone has ever thought that

[eternal quarry]

Considering he's pretty known and his bounty is unknown he might be an apprentice chef in the rocks pirates

Then after the God valley incident, he decided to have his pirate crew since the Rocks pirates are disbanded

Looking at his age it might connect

[supple anchor]

idk if zeff made it to the new world

iirc he was just in the first half "paradise"

[forest rampart]

Artur made a compilation of some known and unknown bounties in which the unknowns left for the group are Rayleigh, Crocus, and Zeff. It made me think that Crocus and Zeff will have a high bounty, somewhere below Rayleigh's bounty. But since I didnt look up at the actual source itself to see if the vivre cards for all those characters in the same group was released at the same date or not, I cant really say that I'm confident enough that it'll happen.

[snow grove]

Zoro's reintroduction after the time skip is reminiscent of how mihawk was introduced , both sliced a galleon in two and borh seemingly did so due to an interrupted nap

[rough ferry]

True

[ancient vault]

same with denjiro cause remember? His fake name was the napping kyoshiro

[snow grove]

who's the best actor denjiro or kanjuro,?

[late hare]

does anybody know why BB had to kill Thatch for the Yami Yami No Mi?

i feel like since we get the notion that thatch and bb were close i feel like if BB just said its his dad's fruit or thats the fruit hes wanted all of his life

[weak arrow]

Thatch either ate it, thus had to kill him to get it, or Thatch wouldnt give it up

[late hare]

thatch may have givin it to him

feel like he should have asked first or something, even then he could have just stole the fruit and ran

feels excessive to kill him

[waxen dust]

well we don’t know if BB asked or not? Also given context on WB’s ship whoever finds a DF, it’s there’s to keep something like that

[late hare]

well it doesnt say they cant ask

thatch always said he wanted suke suke so i feel like if BB asked he may have just given it to him

[snow grove]

i think tatch ate the DF that's why he was killed if he doesn't BB could easily ask tatch since he doesn't know the effect

[shy hazel]

he didnt eat it. it was on his hand when bb saw it.

[snow grove]

he could stole it and ate it and leave the ship to catch luffy

[late hare]

idk seems like he didnt have to kill thatch to get it

sure would it have pissed off the whole crew if he grabbed and ran? yeah. but ace probably would have not chased after BB

seems like BB caused himself trouble when he didnt need to

[snow grove]

he wanted to drague attention

[late hare]

but why? seems counter intuitive

[tacit veldt]

Having Ace run after him alone seems like the most crucial part of his plan,.aside from eating the Yami Yami

[late hare]

was that really part of his plan? i didnt get the notion it was

[tacit veldt]

Given how things went, It seems to me he killed Thatch with the certainty that Ace would have pursued him to the ends of the world to avenge his friend and his father's honor. Him having a chance to capture Ace was the Key to his whole plot: It dragged Whitebeard into war AND It allowed Teach himself admission to the Shichibukai and so Impel Down

[shy hazel]

his plan was to kill thatch and having ace to run after him then beat ace and give him to the wg. killing thatch was part of his plan

[late hare]

ah i see

[tacit veldt]

Really, if Ace didnt run after him, Teach's whole plan would have crumbled. Killing Thatch was the best way to not only get the fruit, but also ensure he would separate Ace from WB. This Is also likely why Shanks told WB to call Ace back: not Just because he knew Teach was too strong for Ace, but also because he might have perceived there was something much more nefarious going on

[late hare]

fair enough, but do think BB was overconfident?

[heady parrot]

tbf blackbeard didn’t intend to capture ace, he went after luffy. he settled for ace because luffy was in the sky islands at the time.

[late hare]

^ yeah actually

i thought this was the case, to capture luffy and make ace chase after him at marineford bringing wb with him

[tacit veldt]

Oh yeah absolutely. He's probably the most overconfident character in One Piece. He's convinced he's some sort of chosen one that's Always going to win in the end. We have seen him take a reckless approach and almost die multiple times because of this, like when he didnt take into account how terrifying Magellan was

[late hare]

yeah i was about to say, ,magellan almost soloed his crew, feel like WB is one of those logia users that relies more on the fruit's absorption and abiltiies

[heady parrot]

he believes fate will carry him to the one piece and becoming pirate king and tbf he’s been right so far. it’s just gonna come down to someone with a stronger will than blackbeard to crush that perception of his.

[late hare]

yeah but there is a contrast between BB and Luffy as BB takes the easy way out while luffy takes the harder route

BB embodies the phrase: work smarter not harder

[tacit veldt]

I mean he's not portrayed as delusional by the story either. He has had so many strokes of luck that got him to his position. I bet his original plan was much more convoluted than how It actually unfolded, with many situations where he could catch two birds with one stone (like killing Thatch, or meeting Shiryu)

Fate DOES seem to be by his side, so far

[shy hazel]

bb was overconfident yeah, but he had a lot of luck too

[late hare]

a whole lot of luck lmao

it also helps he has probably the most overpowered logia and strongest paramecia

[empty nebula]

That fact about ope ope immortal surgery was told as foreshadowing not for law to do the same for luffy. Thats choppers job to save luffy. It was said as imu was coming up. How do people some know ope ope has such power that means it was used on someone. And if it was used on someone then that someone must be alive now. And who in world is strong enough to make someone perform that surgery on him even if it kills the user itself. Imu!! (Or it could be someone with loyal folks too but more likely imu)

[late hare]

feel like imu prolly made somebody use the ope ope fruit on him

[empty nebula]

Bb goes by most sure way..by any means necessary.. be it time consuming or betraying or whatever. Luffy just wants to have fun.

[empty nebula]

Yep thats what i was saying

[late hare]

no way he/she is that old and doesnt have some sort of immortality

[proud tree]

does this panel confirm seastone is only from Wano (chapter 169)?

[waxen dust]

yes

The wording is interesting too “only in one place in the ocean”, so is Oda implying that it can be found in other places than the blue sea?

[late hare]

yeah it doesnt say where but we get the foreshadow

[proud tree]

nah only one place should mean just that: The "One Place" being Wano imo...

[waxen dust]

i mean it says ocean....and we got sky islands with Pyrobloin and possibly the moon might have something too. I think it could just be referring to only Wano in the blue sea

[proud tree]

or maybe "One Place" means Grand line... or new world

which would be very unspecific

[waxen dust]

hmmm, maybe but I feel like that might be a stretch given he explicitly said ocean. White Sea on the other hand isn’t technically an ocean, just clouds.

Also we have been theorizing connections between Wano and Skypiea very recently so I wouldn’t be surprised if the seastone is one of those things linking the two islands together

[amber oar]

I have the feeling that was a notion Oda conceived very early in the story and forgot/decided to let go later. Otherwise all the seastone the Navy uses comes from Wano and honestly I find that very implausible

[proud tree]

why is it implausible? Because Kaido (a pirate) rules over it?

[lean pine]

Maybe its reused seastone from before kaido took over

[waxen dust]

I think the interaction between CP0 and Orochi suggests that Wano and the WG have been trading for some time

[amber oar]

That could work yeah

[lean pine]

In real life people would often scrap down and reuse raw materials, like in Egypt they would use blocks from the pyramids to help build cities in the later dynasties

[proud tree]

probably bcs Wano is an isolated nation ... exporting huge quantities of seastone out of such a country would be difficult

[lean pine]

Or it could be different source and it's the only source for the marines and smoker didn't know about wano

[waxen dust]

Doflamingo was the bridge between Wano and WG, he obviously was the one supplying everything to them; which is why he was a Ravaged Warlord who got away with anything he wanted

[amber oar]

Thing is, Drake was mindblown when he saw CP0 in Wano. So even if it's true all the seastone the Navy has in hand comes from there, it would be a secret and clashes with a random East Blue captain knowing that.

[waxen dust]

I mean I would imagine knowing seastone comes from Wano is a very common known thing, so if you see the WG using then it would make sense to put 2+2 together to figure out they somehow got in contact with Wano.

But Drake’s reaction is understandable given that all this time CP0 never needed to come visit because Doflamingo was the one providing it all from the outside, so finally seeing CP0 kind of shakes Drake because it could potentially jeopardize any plans he had with SWORD.

[amber oar]

Nah, they're surprised at even the possibility of a secret deal

[waxen dust]

hmmm, so then the real question is how does Smoker know? Maybe there is something else going on with him especially since he tends to question lots of things from the WG.

[modest skiff]

The fact that he said the Yami “chose” him and that thatch was “unlucky” to find the Yami is also interesting in this regard. I wonder if he thinks he’s joyboy

The silhouette of Joyboy looks like the head is either Yami or flames. So my thinking is that means either Yami user or Lunarian

[eternal quarry]

Checked it and both are not released on the same day and both have unknown bounty

[forest rampart]

Wonder why wouldnt Oda reveal Zeff and Crocus's bounties considering they do have bounties. I believe that both might have high bounties but not necessarily so. Roger's bounty, the highest bounty, has been revealed already. But still there might be a bounty higher than Roger, eg Dragon. Iirc Roger has the highest pirate bounty in the history. So it cant be that Rocks or any other pirate has a bounty higher than Roger.

[modest skiff]

If we know all the sea stone comes from wano/volcanos, then I take that as confirmation that Wano’s volcano created the White Sea entirely. I’m hoping the volcano going off again creates a direct path from Wano to the White Sea. Would be cool if Wano needed to open for some reason related to the White Sea and the volcano going off. You’d think they’d need to evacuate before the volcano goes off

[forest rampart]

Oden wanted to open Wano as a part of preparation to the world's new dawn, that will directly related with it.

[modest skiff]

Perhaps the volcano going off again creates pathways to cross the calm belt

[forest rampart]

I can buy it that the volcano created the White Sea. But the question is, what makes the clouds to stop at Skypiea's location? And there's also Birka (gone), Weatheria, Balloon Terminal, and probably a few more out there.
I mean, why only Skypiea (if not also Balloon Terminal and Birka) is at a fix location, and is not moving like other clouds? Is the cloud different from other sky islands?

[modest skiff]

I think the various layers occurred after each eruption. The first eruption created the very top layer, way above anywhere we have seen so far. Next eruption was bounced off the bottom of that, which created the layer beneath. So on and so forth

[proud tree]

Skypia may be just so much larger then Weatheria or Baloon terminal that it is not affected by Wind anymore

[modest skiff]

The most compelling question to me is who constructed all the highways that the ships are transported on. The whole infrastructure of checking in and being granted access etc is fascinating

[tidal tangle]

the whole skypeia thing was explained in manga iirc

[proud tree]

Imo "one place in the ocean" is a very broad term. It could just be a giant region where Seastone can be mined, that happens to include Wano...

[forest rampart]

Uroge's descendants maybe. ..since he's probably a birka or one of those three moon people, and he's the only moon people on blue sea. But then, Shandorans also lived on the blue sea 400 yrs ago.
Could be other random travellers too like the corpse from St. Bliss ship/ark.
But imo it has to be a moon people that lived on the sky themselves since it's probably made from Dial Cloud, and because of cloud..

[amber oar]

Gedatsu is also in the blue sea but I don't think he'll be relevant again

[forest rampart]

He'll find Pluton in Alubarna so imo he'll be relevant again.

[last halo]

Lmao Drake is so dramatic with the "my mind went blank for minutes after I saw it"

[amber oar]

come to think, it could be lol. Plus they were digging holes

[forest rampart]

Yes. But maybe Gedatsu is not bright enough to realise it's a big discovery while it should be obvious of what the warship will be capable of despite him not knowing anything about the ancient weapons and Pluton.

[light onyx]

Cuz Yamato wanted to be a boy

[sinful gale]

Thats not really an explanation

[light onyx]

What did you expect

[sinful gale]

Idk

In steriotypical anime
They'd do something like " Kaido had an actual son but he died. So after yamato was born he started calling him his son or something along those lines"
But I expect Oda to do something different

[light onyx]

…

[sinful gale]

We will get an explanation
Be sure of that

There's more backstory coming

[rustic granite]

Imo Kaido is calling her a 'son' because he is ridiculing her

Like ya know,Kaido regrets having a female.But that girl child of his wants to be Oden(who is a male).So Kaido calls her son anyway

[sinful gale]

Even if its that it will be mentioned one way or another

[rustic granite]

People think it is because Kaido is a "Progressive dad" and shit,whereas in reality,it is definitely not so

[sinful gale]

Kaido is a savage. But the fact that yamato doesnt respect him must be getting in his head

[amber oar]

There was an old ass theory/fake leak that said Kaido had a lost son who happened to be Zoro... and after Yamato's introduction, some people made the connection that Kaido called Yamato "son" because of his lost son

[amber oar]

That could he the case, specially considering Kaido calls her "idiot son"

[waxen dust]

Kaido is calling Yamato son because historically in Japan only males were allowed to have positions of high ranking. So Kaido calls her son because he has an expectation of her being Shogun.

[sinful gale]

So you think this will be addressed? Or just headcanon?

[waxen dust]

Honestly think it will be addressed in Kaido’s backstory or an extended Yamato backstory after the raid. Especially if she joins the crew think it needs to be determined how she wants to be viewed on the crew moving forward whether it’s as Oden or just as Yamato herself

[raw spade]

Earlier I was insinuating that usopp may be joyboy. It would loosely tie into his fascination with the giants. He spread joy to the people of syrup village

in the dressrossa arc he said that thing but everyone else heard it as “follow me” or something, earning him the name GOD USOPP. need I say more?

[proud tree]

the is also Momo = Jojboy and Luffy = Jojboy and BB = Jojboy

[amber oar]

I have the feeling that Yamato will settle in a duality of a masculine-feminine personality. You can even see it in the anime. Yells and charges like a man, then when she meets Luffy and ask if it's him, she makes a super girly noise. I guess she'll stay like that.

[waxen dust]

I agree, I just think she will drop the Oden stuff at some point, but that doesn’t mean she wouldn’t be able to still be inspired by him.

[raw spade]

ik but after I saw this again I thought of usopp as a candidate

[wild turret]

Im guessing we might see a turning point in the battle kaido on his knees boom end of act 3, start of act 4 reverie information cuts to a flashback of his early years rocks pirates coming to wano etc…

[velvet linden]

Any theories for why Sanji’s body felt weird in ch.1023?

[rigid lotus]

i've heard some things about the lineage factor kicking in

[wild turret]

The suit has steroids almost like what happened with luffy when ivankov game him injections

He’s going to push pass his limits just like zoro and not notice till after the fight is over

Possible mink medicine derivative like 2x the damage after effect

Also now that everyone seen the pink dragon what will cp0 do , they will make a move

[runic osprey]

Seems like he wasnt a failed experiment after all the medicine his mom used did not work completely the raid suit is triggering his modified dna just like his siblings

[drowsy marsh]

I don't think Kaido has a son, but if he had one. The son should not have been the oldest. Kaido is the same age as Oden and Yamato is the same age as Oden. The son should have been the same age as Hiyori.

[weary cliff]

You know. There's no rule that you have to have a kid at whatever age Oden and Kaido were at, or that their kids have to be the same ages. Kaido could reasonably have a kid almost as old as Shanks

[pseudo citrus]

Alright, this channel hasn't been very active, so I want to mention a pretty minor theory I had. Most people seem convinced that Yamato asking for a ride on the Sunny was her directly asking to join the crew. However, every other time someone joined or asked/was asked, they mentioned the word "仲間/nakama", while Yamato didn't do this... and she didn't even ask a question. My theory is that this line had a deeper meaning: Oden believed Ace would become Joyboy, and that Joyboy would need his help.Speaking as Kozuki Oden... I've followed the proper logic that says... as Ace's brother, you should be giving me a ride on your ship.Exactly what "the proper logic" means here is something that's never been clear to me. ```- Ace and Oden obviously never knew each other, so there's no reason to believe Ace should be giving "Oden" a ride.

• Their only direct connection is through Whitebeard, but Ace was only a crewmate on Whitebeards ship, so he wouldn't be the one giving out rides.
• Ace seemed to be willing to take Yamato on his ship, but if this is what Yamato meant, she would be asking as Yamato, not as Oden.However, if Oden believed Ace would become Joyboy, and that Joyboy would need his help, then: - The "proper logic" would be that, since Oden and Ace are both dead, Oden's intention to help Ace has become Yamato's intention to help Luffy.
• Neither Yamato's request for a ride nor her saying she'd go to the sea with Luffy are actually requests to join the crew.
• If Oden believed he could fulfill some role for Joyboy, then Yamato likely believes that part of becoming Oden means fulfilling this role for Luffy.
• Exactly what Oden would do for Ace, which Yamato now believes she can do for Luffy, is a mystery. The obvious guess is read Poneglyphs, but it can't be that.
• Yamato didn't know Ace was Roger's son when she met him, so she didn't have any special reaction.```Yamato neither asked for permission nor received confirmation, yet she still believes Luffy will take her, which could just be because she thinks things are going in accordance with the writing in the journal. As many people point out, Yamato will likely stop needing to "be Oden" by the end of Wano, but I just wanted to try to understand this otherwise confusing line.

[chilly dragon]

So hypothetically if Kidd and Law could get her there, could Big Mom be injured/killed if she were crushed under Onigashima when it falls?

[weak arrow]

Doubt it

[shy hazel]

oden believed ace would become joyboy
i dont understand this part

ur theory seems to be based on that

[pseudo citrus]

Oden and Roger knew they were too early, but Roger wanted to have a son that could become Joyboy before he died... so Oden also believed that "Roger's son" would be Joyboy.

[shy hazel]

[dusky acorn]

I don't think even the impact of a falling large land mass could outright kill Big Mom, but perhaps the it would be enough to knock her out just as Queen did. Afterwards, they would be then free to do whatever they please with her. Since I don't see Big Mom dying, I imagine they would attempt to throw her unconscious body into the sea afterwards, but the remaining Big Mom Pirates will catch her. The crew will be shocked to see she's unconscious and technically "defeated", but I'm not sure what's stopping the Yonko crew from rushing into Wano in a frenzy at that point. Ideally, I'd want the scene to be presented in such a manner where the Big Mom Pirates are so shook to see their captain down and out (along with maybe realising we beat Kaido too?) that they just skedaddle with their tails in between their legs. That way, we don't have to deal with them, but I can't help but feel it's an unrealistic reaction to hope for.

Moving Big Mom down to suffer a hypothetical impact from Onigashima falling would be difficult since Law can't shambles her down, but I don't think it's too much of an issue since we did see him and Kid do basically something in the same vein before

[modest skiff]

I agree with this. I think the pink dragon was further confirmation Oden's journal was coming true. I think thats a big reason Momo's eyes went wide. He was like "OH SHIT! That's me!"

[pseudo citrus]

yeah, exactly... also, Yamato predicted "I'll hold you off until he gets back" which came true, so it seems Yamato's spoilers journal may be legit

[amber oar]

That's not a prediction as much as an intention she had and she succeeded at

[pseudo citrus]

well I guess you could say she predicted that he would return, even though Kaido insisted he was dead?

[modest skiff]

I think it gives credit to the Kaido dies theory since Yamato seems confident he dies

[pseudo citrus]

well, she also said "I'll drive you out of Wano first"

[modest skiff]

oh never mind

[amber oar]

This tho

[pseudo citrus]

oh, good point, wasn't thinking about that

[waxen dust]

I don’t know if theory works because Oden kept saying to Toki “Jump 20 years ahead”, that’s a few years after Ace has come to Wano. So by this time Yamato would know that the time for Joyboy has not arrived, BUT when Ace spoke about Luffy that’s when she realized who Oden “prophecized” thus why she has been so anxious to finally meet Luffy. I don’t think anyone actually believed Ace would become Joyboy, probably not even Roger since he seemed jokingly about it with Rayleigh.

[modest skiff]

I think Yamato thought Ace was the one who was gonna body slam Kaido because Ace showed up saying he was there to kill Kaido. Then that didn't end up happening. So then Luffy seemed like another good candidate. Then once other things started happening, Yamato was like "Alright I think this is what Oden was talking about"

[amber oar]

WB planned to make Ace Pirate King, it was said during Marineford.

[waxen dust]

Possibly could have mistaken it, but given that Yamato read the journal with Ushimaru then she should know that Ace’s arrival is short a few years therefore he couldn’t be Joyboy. I am more thinking she had an interest in Ace and how he seemed someone ballsy enough to face Kaido similarly to Yamato herself, but once she learns about Luffy then she gets an even greater interest in Ace and more specifically Luffy as well.

Yamato’s objectives don’t have to necessarily tie with Joyboy, her purpose is to finish what Oden started and that’s open Wano. Afterwards (assuming Ace was still alive) Yamato was more likely to join up with Ace than Luffy not because of Joyboy but because of whatever connection those two developed. It just so happened shitty situations wounded up having Luffy and Yamato meet and now they will become friends over their bonds with Ace.

[waxen dust]

That’s right, but I think WB wanted Ace to be Pirate King because he looked at him as his son. Remember WB didn’t care where Ace originally came from, he obviously had respect for Roger, but WB never cared about One Piece and all thar, so he likely had his own familial reasons to try to thrust that fate onto Ace. Only problem was WB never met Luffy prior to MF, so he was mistaken in whatever he was trying to accomplish in place of Ace.

[amber oar]

WB never cared about getting the One Piece for himself, but literally his last words were about it, the will of D and the prophecy

[pseudo citrus]

he probably thought Ace was the one Roger was waiting for, until he died... but he was also sure that Teach wasn't (assuming it has to be a D)

[modest skiff]

I think a lot of BB's actions make a lot of sense if we assume he thinks he is Joyboy and he knows a lot about what Joyboy needs to do

[waxen dust]

No it was definitely Luffy, WB even realizes this after Luffy used Conquerors and he told everyone to save him

[amber oar]

WB acknowledged him as "one of them", not specifically the Joyboy

One of the successors to the will of D

Plus, he told his commanders to support him in reaching Ace. The final goal was still Ace.

[waxen dust]

Well Ace is his son, so of course he will try the max to reach him, even if it means supporting Luffy to get there. We honestly don’t know why WB wanted Ace to be Pirate King, it could have been because of prophecy or it could have been just because he was a D, I think it’s the latter seems like only those with D. can utilize the One Piece not just anyone.

The main point to all of this tho was Oden thinking Ace was Joyboy, given he told Toki jump 20 years right before he dies says he had no believe that it would been Ace and the encounter with Yamato is off by a few years so mathematically that’s not right either.

[pseudo citrus]

she did say she thought Ace was just early... but in light of what she read about during the Paramount War, I'm guessing she realized it must be Luffy, not Ace

Yamato's statement seems to imply (to me) that Oden thought he would ride on Ace's ship for some reason. Oda's word and phrasing choice there is very peculiar, I feel like there must be some reason for it...

[amber oar]

I think she realized when Ace told her "those" words

[pseudo citrus]

that would also make sense

[dapper solstice]

what oden riding ace ship? bro oden died long before ace even started his pirate journey

[pseudo citrus]

by Ace, I mean Roger's son... Oden knew that Roger planned to have a kid before he died

[velvet linden]

Seems likely

[pure raven]

i have an insane theory

what if at the end the revolutionary army and the strawhats somehow break the holy land on the red line therefore basically destroying tne world government AND creating the all blue

[desert mango]

Isnt that obvious though ive heard this theory like 8 times ofc its gona happen

I mean it is oda tho he can be unpredictable

[cursive tree]

I think Zoro took out one of his eye because he felt like asking Mihawk for help was cheating regarding his promise to Kuina

Would be cool

[dusky acorn]

Once Zoro bowed to Mihawk, I had the impression he was fine with throwing any and all of his shame for good, but perhaps part of him still couldn't forgive himself for relying on the help of the future obstacle he's trying to defeat. So, that's where handicapping himself at the end of the training as he sees it as a proper punishment comes in? Although completely different context & circumstances, Zoro is also his own cause for the scars on his ankles. It's not like Zoro being willing to hurt himself is an unprecedented concept. Recently, people also drew attention to me that Zoro's eye scar looked somewhat fresh when he came back to Sabaody. And this scenario would be with him doing it at the end of his two year training, right. Which fits that. Thanks for sharing the interesting thought

[stuck tulip]

[steel breach]

Lmao this isn’t a new theory

[pure raven]

i came up with it myself i didnt realize it was already a thing

[native obsidian]

@snow fox

[junior cape]

I think Killer will manage to non-lethal subdue Hawkins with seastone cuffs. Remember, there must be a few on the island because BM was brought there by Queen, IN CUFFS.

[foggy sand]

killer will probably cut hawkins' left arm

[junior cape]

Lmao that would be funny

[serene oracle]

LUFFYS AWAKENING IS ERASING TIME - LIKE A RUBBER - THATS WHY HIS DF WAS SO GUARDED AND THATS WHAT THE VOID CENTURY IS

[junior cape]

Uhhhh

Uhhhh

[gloomy canyon]

@junior cape don't reference other series in here please, even in spoiler tags

[split slate]

After re-reading the series, I came up with one theory, Blackbeard Pirates stole the Noro Noro no Mi

[sturdy hound]

noro noro?

is that a new fruit as part of your theory or some other thing

[thick sky]

Noro noro beam I guess

[waxen dust]

BB pirates wished they can kill Foxy foh

[queen arrow]

it's the Slow Slow Fruit

i do also think they might have it considering how good it is

[dusky acorn]

It's nice if the trend of more fruit rehashes happen. Especially for ones like the Noro Noro which had a lot of potential, but we just didn't get to see it in the hands of a very strong person. I suppose Foxy's absence in the story can go along with the scenario of him having died. Though, Foxy never returning is not so much great evidence, but moreso something that thankfully doesn't exist to put a wrench in the theory

[thick sky]

It could make sense actually, depending on if it could be awakened to cause this effect. He casts noro noro beam inside his body, due to which the bursting phenomenon of consuming two devil fruits. Which implies he is dying but he has a objective to fulfill or smth like that

[queen arrow]

what

[thick sky]

Nah just a thought that came on the fly after reading that guy's statement

But still it doesn't explain why he is having fun

[waxen dust]

I dont know if the Noro Noro would prevent the DF reaction tho

[queen arrow]

this was not about Blackbeard himself having the fruit

or they having it before the timeskip

it's about the Blackbeard pirates in their quest for DFs to have gotten it

[thick sky]

Their statement hasn't anything precise and noro noro mi could slow down the effect too. We don't know the extent of abilities that awakening provides

If awakening responds to the user's will, that could be a possibility
Tho its highly improbable

[split slate]

Basing it on the BB pirates looking for powerful devil fruits and that is the most powerful underutilized fruit in the series so far

[waxen dust]

Idk Foxy is a god so I dont see him being killed and his fruit stolen.

I don’t think BB pirates need the Noro Noro, even if it’s capabilities can be beneficial when awakened. Doesn’t seem like a fruit they’d go after, imo. I can see the reasoning behind this idea, but I am just not sure if it fits correctly

[queen arrow]

pretty much what i thought

[split slate]

Based on nothing else but this

[queen arrow]

i also think it's possible that the fruit makes a comeback

[split slate]

It was mentioned when Luffy met Hancock

[thick sky]

Df with high potential are underutilixed by them being on wrong hands... good storytelling but there is a loss of opportunity

[split slate]

And also the only time Luffy actually flinches when faced with a power

[waxen dust]

Noro Noro WOULD be very useful especially when facing strong opponents, so I cam see it working but idk if that group would be the type to actually need it to fulfill their goals

also which member would have it?

[split slate]

Why would they steal the clear clear fruit?

[queen arrow]

maybe Vasco Shot could get it

[thick sky]

Bb'a group is actually very cunning and opportunistic. They stole the clear clear fruit too, noro noro could be very much useful for them

[split slate]

They just want more power is all

The other thing is the noro noro no mi has been studied by a scientist. I doubt an idiot like Foxy could do any research on it

[waxen dust]

Diamond fruit might be used on Shiryuu’s sword. Think it will be how Zoro cuts nothing and diamond, two birds one stone

[split slate]

So my assumption is that noro noro no mi has been recorded in the DF book

And the whole Foxy pirates thing is a filler arc in the manga too

[grizzled fog]

..?

[split slate]

I mean, no loss if it doesn't come back, but would add some weight to that arc if it did

[waxen dust]

This is actually an interesting idea, I think too many people have focused on Wano DFs and not enough time on the df users who can’t applicate their abilities properly. That’s probably to key to figuring out which fruits may return to the story.

[queen arrow]

slowing down things would be really dangerous in the hand of a heavy hitter

[split slate]

And the thing of Gomu Gomu no mi being important feels like a latter addition? I remember in early One Piece, the idea was to give Luffy an underpowered and funny fruit so the fights awill be interesting

[waxen dust]

More I think about the Noro Noro, it makes sense especially if someone in the crew used it now wherever BB is going against the Marines. It’s better to slow everything down than actually fight, that way they’re in and out with whatever they need to take and have minimal casualties

[split slate]

Any time manipulation is generally OP, that's why most fiction have time related powers given to absolute idiots or just poorly written.

The only character that comes close to using time manipulation correctly that I can think of is Dr. Manhattan in the comics, but even then

he doesn't so much travel/manipulate through time as experience it differently. The worst written character that has time manipulation power is Hiro from Heroes. That was when I realized hose all these time manipulation people are so poorly written.

Anyway, rant over. Most other DFs don't stand out as much to me. Maybe Goldenweek's but that's not underutilized. Goldenweek is OP AF

Oh wait, it's not even a DF

[flat cove]

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/pscx7z/hello_guys_so_this_is_a_super_crazy_theory_i_came/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

[split slate]

Well, first things first, there are more than 8 races in OP

[flat cove]

bro there are 8 main races others are just sub species like how all lions tighers and house cats are still cats

[waxen dust]

like the number connections but this aint it chief

especially Enies Lobby stuff lol

[strange musk]

Nice attempt ✌️

[junior cape]

Sanji is gonna get the body augmentation of g66 due to the raid suit

[rustic granite]

Spoilers when?

[junior cape]

Wednesday

[rustic granite]

ooof

Not today?
Well then

[junior cape]

Rip

[waxen light]

This channel is for serious theories, don't ask for spoilers here

[drowsy marsh]

I have a feeling that 1026 is going to be a great chapter. Denjiro should appear this chapter. Maybe Hiyori might be shown.

[junior cape]

Denjiro poggu

[burnt wing]

guys after Wano arc Luffy definitely gonna fight shanks who agrees.

[junior cape]

Yo wit lmao

[half badger]

I don't agree

[ocean python]

Luffy bounty after Wano: 2.5 billion

[half badger]

Don't forget big mum ...

[ocean python]

Zoro bounty: 1.5 billion

[sick valve]

thing is no one outside of Wano knows that the Straw Hats are there

[upbeat cedar]

Nah they do cause of x drake I think

[formal quest]

Only SWORD knows then

[upbeat cedar]

Cause he told Koby about the whole alliance and stuff and the world gov I guess

What is sword again?

[pure raven]

its kinda like a secret marine organisation of sorts

[split slate]

The alliance has been reported in the WEJ right? I am guessing Morgans has someone there as well

[prime bluff]

Zoro fight
Or Zoro backstory

[burnt wing]

big mum was defeated in whole cake island?

[obsidian swallow]

no

[meager hare]

Does anyone else think that maybe Oda will tug at our heartstrings and kill off Shanks before Luffy even gets to meet him?

[thin ravine]

if you pay attention on luffys bounty at the first half of the gl, every time was thrice 30-100-300 except first bounty after time skip that was 400, than 500-1.5- after kaido it will surely be 4.5.

[ocean python]

That would be so cool if its that high

[visual merlin]

there's no real pattern there, 30 to 100 isn't even correct. Maybe Luffy will get 4.5 but the logic there is about as sound as saying he'll get 1.6 billion because at one point it went from 300 to 400 to 500

[split stone]

Big mom will have an attack from her Hunger Pangs disease after being defeated and will eat kaido's body thinking it's some sort of this elbaf sweeties (after being defeated she denies this fact mentally and desperately she begins to freak out, that's when she remembers mother Carmel and elbaf sweeties and she'll try to eat it again because it will solve her problems), that's how kaido will die 🎲

[weary cliff]

Just need her to start craving unagi, huh? Well I do support BM kills Kaido, if he dies at all, but wouldn't this also kill BM? Seems unlikely

[split stone]

I cant see any way where both get killed, Luffy won't kill a single one because he just wants to defeat his enemies. Kidd/Law are too weak to kill kaido but maybe they will kill BM in a duo attack like the Gamma knife from law and some sort of metal thing from kidd

[split stone]

Not even this one is a thing, it was just a joke but... Who knows? 👁️

[weary cliff]

Haha you missed my point I think. If BM eats another fruit user, she should explode

[split stone]

Ooh now I got it

[pure raven]

( PARENTS )

Kaido's Purple waist cloth + Blue-purple feathered back cloth + Black Hair + Iron Club weapon MIXED with Big Mom's love for Pink color (dress & hair) + feather hat + Red Heels + fat-skinny body transformation + finger rings

=

( DAUGHTER )

Alvida's purple waist cloth + Blue-feathered purple captain coat + Iron Club weapon + feather hat + Red Shoes + love for pink colored clothing (shirt) + fat-skinny body transformation + finger rings

---

And if you notice, Alvida had been to Zou and Wano, the very same places Kaido's pirates had been to as well.

[latent zodiac]

charlotte Alvida 🧠

[rustic granite]

Bounties eh?

[pure raven]

And also if this theory becomes true, Luffy's father being Monkey D Dragon, and Alvida's father being Kaido (Dragon) would be a foreshadow due to their fathers being dragon related.

[ancient vault]

I hope this is a joke

pls tell me this is a joke

[marsh warren]

i hope Momo will use a boro breath on Kaido

heck maybe Yamato could throw in a breath attack too to even the odds 👁️

[ancient vault]

Is this another case of wiki reader not manga reader? @amber oar @queen arrow @misty canopy @waxen dust

[pure raven]

And also, if you notice when Alvida meet Luffy at Rogers execution place. One of the guys covered seem as if he has horns :

[ancient vault]

[misty canopy]

?

[ancient vault]

@misty canopy

[misty canopy]

seems like man/girl skipped wiki too right to memes

[queen arrow]

i woke up just in time it seems, no she hasn't been in those places, she has been shown in Buggy's headquarters while those arcs where going on

[pure raven]

😑

[tidal tangle]

[queen arrow]

have you read the fucking manga brother

[queen arrow]

this is just Buggy with his pirate hat under the coat

[pure raven]

[pure raven]

Is this a lie then?

[tidal tangle]

...

[drowsy marsh]

She doesn't even share the same blood type as Kaido or Big mom

[queen arrow]

no, you're just reading it wrong

she appeared in these arcs but not in those islands

[pure raven]

What does "Alvida's outfit during the Wano Country Arc" say to you? That she's outside of Wano huh?

[tidal tangle]

yea

[pure raven]

K

[tidal tangle]

have u read the manga ?

??

[queen arrow]

yes, she appears in Buggy's island during the intermissions of the arc that we see

[pure raven]

Yea Ive re-checked my bad.

But check this one out :

During Luffy's execution, Alvida talked to him, and after the conversation, a group of covered clothed guys were talking to her, and one of them seem to have horns :

[queen arrow]

again

this is just buggy

[acoustic helm]

lol man see the whole episode , its our boi buggy

[queen arrow]

okay what the fuck is that supposed to mean now

[pure raven]

https://youtu.be/2PJon9Xc6gA

[queen arrow]

watch the episode not a clip

[acoustic helm]

buggy's hat

[queen arrow]

or read the manga it works too

[pure raven]

Yea my bad too

[weary cliff]

This man is the most dedicated troll I've ever seen

[pure raven]

But the other points would remain as possibilities too.

[pure raven]

Ive written down those similarities. If you disagree, then I respect your opinion.

[queen arrow]

you don't have any other points besides saying that they look slightly similar

[weary cliff]

I think at most it points to some design elements Oda is fond of

[pure raven]

In my humble opinion, the similarities aren't slightly but very.

[deep crypt]

Luffy and Akainu are father and son

both have black hair

family relation confirmed

[amber oar]

For fucks sake, why people vomit their headcanons when I'm at a work meeting

I'll be back in a hour estimate

[weary cliff]

I'll grant it is interesting to point out the similarities between early villian design and current villains.

[queen arrow]

that's one of the oldest meme theories out there

[pure raven]

Thats ODA foe you 😁

🤙

[queen arrow]

we already have many things that make it unlikely that Big Mom and Kaido had a child together, and the complete disconnect between then and Alvida being an east blue pirate makes it really unlikely that this is real in any shape or form

[pure raven]

Honestly, thinking about it,if it actually came true, then it would be really funny. 😄😂😂

[queen arrow]

because it's a meme theory yes, people came up with his idea and that image you posted for the giggles

[pure raven]

Anyway I wanted to post a picture, but before I do that, I wanna ask, do you guys think Luffy will possibly activate a new gear (5) against Kaido?

[queen arrow]

also Alvida is younger than Yamato

[acoustic helm]

nani

[queen arrow]

she's just 27

[acoustic helm]

man she looks older in fat version

[pure raven]

Looks can be deceiving 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[acoustic helm]

but not head cannon deceiving 😂

[queen arrow]

anyway my job here is done

[pure raven]

If Yuderon's theory with Luffy activating a new gear is right with gear 5 against Kaido, then it actually has a pattern :

[thick sky]

Wut

[pure raven]

Theories are full of headcannons man. 😂😂

[pure raven]

I said IF Luffy activates gear 5

[weary cliff]

Yuderon has lost it on this one. What a joke

[thick sky]

Who th is that? A YouTuber?

[weary cliff]

That Japanese theorytuber looks like daft punk. He specializes in the number stuff

[thick sky]

Oh

[split stone]

Wait what, admirals aren't above yonko lol, yonko > admirals, fleet admiral ≈ yonko

[pure raven]

Fleet admiral >yonko

[pure raven]

Throughout Luffy's opponents, they do appear stronger than the previous

Maybe ryokugo=yonko though

[ancient vault]

oh mb didnt know u dont wanna be pinged lol

[pure raven]

Yea perhaps 😄

We just don’t know

[ancient vault]

yonkos > admirals

[queen arrow]

that's too much gears

[ancient vault]

if he only needs gear 5 for yonkos he wont a power up for admirals

[split stone]

I'd put them on the same lvl but maybe akainu is an extraordinary case, since his magu magu no mi is very offensive

[pure raven]

Yea

[pure raven]

I want to be on that boat too, but if we look at how ODA handles Luffy's battles, the next opponent always is stronger than the previous. 😞

[amber oar]

I'm not mad at the ping, I'm mad at not having time to join the feast

[pure raven]

But at least with sengoku his tactics are important

[split stone]

Luffy already "fought" kizaru Aokiji and akainu marineford flashbacks

[pure raven]

I meant the opponents he WON

[night jewel]

well good thing that the admirals wont be luffy's main opponents

[ancient vault]

doubt luffy is fighting an admital

[queen arrow]

we will at best get gear 5 being Luffy's Awakening and that's it

[split stone]

The thing is, Luffy won't 1v1 the admirals, probably more than one will handle with him and/or they'll just be distributed between the monster trio

[night jewel]

fujitora and greenbull will switch, kizaru not relevant, akainu prolly for sabo, imu will be his main target

[pure raven]

Yea I like that idea 👍

[split stone]

A single admiral can't beat a yonko, but 2 admirals does have a chance

[queen arrow]

you're welcome

[night jewel]

yeah he is plenty powerful already, dont think he will be getting more than 2 powerups now

awakening and some other gear form thats not necessarily a powerup ig

[pure raven]

I feel like Luffy will awaken against Gorosei or Im. But I can see him doing so against Blackbeard too.

[rustic granite]

If Gear 5 can take down a Yonko,why would he need a new Gear against an Admiral?

Yonko>Admiral

[normal imp]

There's gonna be spoilers today?

[night jewel]

most likely not, and also this isnt the right channel for asking that, this is for theories only

[pure raven]

If we're gonna assume Luffy had won against Kaido, then by the 'yonko>Admiral' logic, Luffy would have been stronger than any admiral at this point, which would kinda defeat the story buildup in a way.

[night jewel]

go to #old-role-info and pick up the spoiler updates role and wait for your ping

[rustic granite]

Maybe when he fights against Akainu

[pure raven]

Yea maybe. 🙂 Afterall, Akainu did killed his brother.

[night jewel]

it would not defeat the buildup at all, i think its pretty clear that admirals arent supposed to be the main opponents in the final war with the introduction of Imu

him being stronger than every admiral would actually be perfect payoff to what has been buildup through his failures against kuzan, kizaru and akainu

[pure raven]

I doubt we will see a new Gear as Luffy still hasn't mastered the use of G4

[rustic granite]

G1?

[pure raven]

I meant G4 sorry lol

[pure raven]

When Luffy first fought Kaido, he too failed many times. So the "perfect payoff to what has been buildup through his failures against kuzan, kizaru and akainu" statement, wouldn't be the likely scenario.

[rustic granite]

I know lol

Tbh.Gear 4 is not enough to beat Kaido.He needs a new gear.Maybe one involving Fire

[pure raven]

I feel like we will get a new G4 form. Similar to one of the Wano deities as we have seen now.

[halcyon talon]

Kinda flawed logic, luffy is not fighting kaido by himself. We've already seen him try that.

[spiral kettle]

Unless you see the marine as 1 opponent instead of each Admiral by itself.

[pure raven]

Reminscence of Ace would be great tbh

Luffy can't 1v1 Kaido I feel like the whole crew will get to fight Kaido

Would be like TB SHs vs Oars and considering Oars and Kaido are from the same race then it could be. Even if kaido is probably part not pure blood.

[spice berry]

Franky is out of cola