manga-theories

[pure raven]

@queen arrow you do realise what rocks intended to do is exactly what luffy is aspiring to do in the future? the 'king of the world' par is also up for interpretation... after all the wg is the one providing info here

[visual merlin]

the characters were weak at the time and garp and roger may not have been fighting all of those guys

[weary cliff]

The yonko were rookies back then. Don't think of them like prime versions. Kaido didnt even have a fruit

[soft vale]

and where does it say rocks was attacking innocent children

[queen arrow]

i made a typo, but it was clear that he did regular acts of piracy as well

[modest skiff]

If he was willing to kill slaves, he was willing to kill thousands of innocent people

[soft vale]

he killed slaves??

[modest skiff]

@soft vale

[waxen dust]

He probably did this in the same manner and approach Blackbeard would take if he becomes Pirate King. Remember their are evil Ds and good Ds, just like their are a light and dark side of the moon. Xebec’s approach is definitely evil

[queen arrow]

the God Valley incident wasn't the only thing that he did

[soft vale]

he was definitely talking about protecting them from being freed

[violet badge]

If thier are no slaves then their are no masters either

[soft vale]

do u really think that the slaves want to stay with the cds? boa said she wished to die

[tardy pumice]

I wonder why the rocks pirates have the name that they do. Best explanation i've heard is because they had possession of road ponygliphs, possibly.

[pure raven]

they are called the rocks pirates because of their captains name

[lost spoke]

I just think its because its Rocks last name

[violet badge]

The minks had one

[pure raven]

Rocks D. Xebec

[violet badge]

Fair enough xd

[lost spoke]

This is interesting, I mentioned the Rocks were formed for "one big score" whatever that treasure is, just gold or something more important (we mentioned Pluton before but thats just a guess and may be seperate form this) Capt. John was a part of Rocks. During the introduction of Rocks, Sengoku goes out of his way to explain that the members of Rocks kill each other alot. In an SBS Oda tells the story of Capt. John being killed by his former crew members we he tried to keep the treasure for himself and his treasure became the stuff of legend. We also see Buggy trying to track down the treasure on an island that looks like the discount version of FullaLead island. He never finds the treasure there.

[quartz lava]

what are the best one piece theory that you know? (excluding the “exploding red line” one)

[lost spoke]

check the pinned ones in this channel

[quartz lava]

oh thanks!

[lost spoke]

Mine are a bit long but obviously I recommend them 😆

[fathom matrix]

has there ever been a fission or split based devil fruit

I don't mean like the berry berry fruit. More like, actually splitting into 2 people

cause I could see a black beard pirate or a marine with a fruit called the "ni ni no mi" or "two two fruit" (cause fission, split and half's translations are long)

[lost spoke]

Not that i can think of off the top of my head.

[waxen dust]

I can honestly see Captain John’s treasure map leading you to the current location of God Valley, may be it can tie into getting Pluton or making some kind of important discovery that’s a game changer.

[lost spoke]

It would be funny if Buggy's Capt. John treasure gag turns out to play out big. It would be an interesting way to keep him in the story and kinda ties in with one of his SBS right before he is shown as a warlord. Again, always specualtion but I'll be watching to see if it plays out.

[waxen dust]

I definitely think it’s meant to represent as a gag throughout the whole story, only to actually be something very important. Especially since it’s tied to Buggy who’s entire character has always managed to do important things by accident, kind of like Hercule Satan status. So for Buggy and Captain John’s treasure to play a vital role towards the EOS, shouldn’t be all that surprising, yet no one seems to be expecting it.

[lost spoke]

I think the treasure was left at FullaLead island just because of the island similarity, ties to ROCKS/John just my head cannon though

Its obviously a stretch but i'd love for him to do it.

[drifting cargo]

Hey in chapter 795, is it just a translation error that it says Kaido "Challenged the navy and four emperors"
The way it is worded almost implies there were prior emperors not yet announced/labelled as such.
I'm sure it's nothing, I just thought it was weird

[amber oar]

I think it's related to the use of the word Yonko

Yonko literally means "four emperors", but it's used around as a title. "Shanks is a yonko", "fighting a Yonko", etc. So probably it said "Challenged the (other) Yonko"

[pure raven]

That kidd theory is so crazy 😭 😭 you got me convinced completely

[dusky acorn]

Wow, I still haven't been able to connect the dots as much as I'd like for the theory, but I'm glad you like it so much

What a lot of this roots back to for me is I firmly believe it's in Oda's style to make Kid more than just this violent pirate aiming for OP that fills this rival-esque role

That's what he began as.. but there has to be more if he's someone sticking around until the end of the story

[lost spoke]

I was only able to read a few of the TLDR but i hadn't even considered Kidd, i'll check this out when I can cause thats a neat idea

[pure raven]

Yeah we didn't see a whole lot from since the new world. We touched on Luffy and Law but kidds been a whole mystery. Glad Oda is going to do something with him

Btw out of curiosity what do you think the One piece is @dusky acorn

[forest rampart]

Definitely not gold

[dusky acorn]

Oh, that's a loaded question. I really don't have a strong basis for what's on Laugh Tale. But one idea I liked that could at least be part of the treasure and saw recently is that there could be like, huge amounts of food stored and been preserved there, which would accommodate Luffy and Roger both liking parties so much

That would be more of the 'gag' part of the treasure, I've no clue what would mainly would be there

[lost spoke]

I think atleast part of it is a collection of the ancient kingdoms/allies stories left by Joy Boy and Rodger

[dusky acorn]

Thinking about it though, once Luffy reaches Laugh Tale, do you guys think the island would then become a landmark that isn't so secret anymore?

[forest rampart]

After the Final War, yes

[dusky acorn]

Although a bit different, it'd be like what happened when Baltigo was finally landed on by the Bb pirates, its location is seemingly public knowledge now

[lost spoke]

Yea i think it will become a cultural melting pot with races from all over the world, Whole Cake with out the fuckery

[forest rampart]

Every races will live on Laugh Tale? I don't think so

[dusky acorn]

I ask this because I just had this idea in my head that if there were already the necessary provisions to accommodate a party at Laugh Tale, I could imagine Luffy inviting tons of people like the Grand Fleet and other friends we made along the journey over there to have a huge celebration lol

I don't know how people would feel about that though, I'd guess some of you would want the last celebration to only be the actual Straw Hats

[forest rampart]

People will get to know more about Laugh Tale and the citizens that used live there.
It is possible that Luffy will invite everyone to have a party at the island. But personally, I don't really buy the theory but will take it as 50/50 as for now

[lost spoke]

No you miss understand, more like a modern day city, not everyone from every race. They point of the Ancient Kingdom was to unite cultures. It might be the thing that Big Mom is "Trying" to make at Whole Cake

[pure raven]

I think raftel is like a national city that was forgotten that every species would gather, sing and laugh together. Personally I think the One Piece is sad song that tells a brief history of the adventures that occurred. I think Roger and his crew found it funny because that song has a lot of irony in it. As it's a running gag with being cheerful during tragic events. Like with Jaguar D Saul, Roger, ect.)

I think raftel is also like this one place that this song can be played and I think Luffy would probably make it known

[lost spoke]

There is a neat panel i'll try to post later

[dusky acorn]

And I imagine this song would be played on a tone dial that's been safekept there

[forest rampart]

Yeah I get what you're saying. But personally I don't think every races will live there, only the real descendants of ancient kingdom people (my theory was that AK is Laugh Tale).
But I can consider if there will be a few races that will live along with them as I can somewhat see it but my opinion on this is not so strong and might change.

There's probably a deep meaning behind Binks Sake song if anything.
So I don't think there'll be other song but still possible.

[lost spoke]

Yea i dont think if it happens it will be a noahs ark situation, just a place that views all as equal, shouldnt have said every race

[forest rampart]

Those people won't be like racist Celestial Dragons, the descendants of WG. So yeah, they'll definitely see everyone as equal.

[modest skiff]

One of my favorite part of one piece is that no one has any theory they feel remotely confident in regarding what the one piece actually is

We have all sorts of theories about this and that but when it comes to what this is all about, not a clue

[lost spoke]

Yup, I dont feel confident about any of my theories, thats why I'm on discount

[modest skiff]

Unification of races is what I think convinces BM that Luffy isn’t her enemy

[pure raven]

gonna await this

[forest rampart]

How does it relates to this? BM hates Luffy for ruining the Tea Party, so he's already her enemy. And they're pirates that are fighting over that one throne to be the Pirate King.

[modest skiff]

Briefly, I'll describe my basic logic since otherwise it'll be really long

1. I reject the idea that Xebec was some kinda bond villain who was like "mwhahaha I will destroy the world! mwhaha come join me, fellow evil people! together, we will destroy everything! mwhahaha, how fabulously evil!!!"

2. I think Xebec convinced BM and Kaido to join him by describing his plan to finally kill every single CD using (blank)

3. I think BM and Kaido each have deeply held goals which require eliminating the CDs. I think BM sees her dream of racial unity as prevented by the CDs. I don't have much to say about Kaido but everything we have learned about his personality indicates he is not some basic ass bad guy who just wants to fight. I think Kaido has a deeply held wish that requires CDs being killed. I don't have any theory regarding what his ultimate goal is.

4. I think BM and Kaido are both only pursuing the One Piece because they see it as a MEANS to an end, not the end itself. I don't think either of them want to be pirate king as a matter of glory or conquest. I legitimately think both of them want something that requires killing all CDs and I think they have reason to think the One Piece gives them the ability to do that

5. I think BM and Kaido would go along with Luffy for the same reason they would go along with Xebec: Accomplishing their actual goal. Note: Not as allies or underlings. Similar to Kid. Kid is "walking the same direction", not "allies".

[lost spoke]

SO relating back to why I think Rodger laughed and named it Laugh Tale is because part of the One Piece tells a tale, maybe of Joy Boy, maybe of the AK or both. We have only recently come to appreciate how important Jaya/Skypea was. Cricket tells us that laughter is what makes a great adventurer. We also learn from Robin and Rodger that they are to guide these documents to there end, she expalins that means to bring these stories with them. At the end of Rodger's life we also see Rayligh and Oden react the exact same by crying and also laughing, enjoying the great journey Rodger had. Ultimately through Rodger's sacrifice he sparked a light for others to start their great journeys as well. Rodger laughed because it was clear that Joy Boy's adventure was a great tale, thus Laugh Tale. Rodger also does straight up remark that he left him a tale full of laughs.

So I think it is the job of one to gather the ponegliffs together back at laughtale and complete the story, then act on it when the time is right (Thats atleast part of what i think the one piece is)

[pure raven]

Ahhhh I'm starting to get this idea that the One piece in a unfinished song, since they're bringing the stories together to complete a puzzle. Roger talks about how he was too early, so he would let someone else finish the tale making a complete puzzle by sparking the great Pirate era.
I still wonder though, why would this great treasure stir war?

[forest rampart]

Interesting take.
But Luffy doesn't have a dream to unite all races. That would at least be Jinbei's dream. But I can see that Luffy would want to unite all races because of others, like how he has done in the past for Vivi etc unless it's not about races.
As for num 5, yes I can see that happening for BM.

[normal plume]

One piece is likely tied to devil fruit abilities I would think

[modest skiff]

His dream doesn't need to be to unite all races in order to accidentally accomplish it. I am saying Luffy will do a series of things that indirectly make that happen. BM will be like "oh shit, this dude is fucking doing it LOL" and play along.

[pure raven]

You think Kaido and BM will help luffy later?

[modest skiff]

I think BM will fight in parallel, not as his subordinate or even ally. I think BM won't mind if she AOEs a straw hat crew member. By my estimation, when Luffy is storming Marie Jois, I think BM will be blowing shit up and burning the place down as well. It won't be a team effort, but they will be after the same result

[lost spoke]

What One Piece event/concept do you want more of an explanation on?

[pure raven]

On why a soon as this great treasured is found, that there will be war

I always wonder is there something or someone that must be freed? If the treasure is funny, why would it be something to go to war about?

[lost spoke]

Interesting, I guess it first starts with who goes to war, I assume the WG so it has to be a threat to the WG. Clover hints at that but we'd have to brainstorm what concept could do that

[pure raven]

I've been thinking about something Shanks said about roger and how he's never cried, but saying to luffy that it's okay to cry. So would luffy react differently to the treasure. Rayleigh did say to Robin, you may reach a different conclusion than us.

[lost spoke]

We also know even just the name of the AK is dangerous to the WG

[lost spoke]

What chapter is this?

[pure raven]

I have to look it up I don't have it on reference but it's between 580 - 620 I think after the war

but for rayleigh it's 507

[lost spoke]

Tried to do a really quick look up but i'm getting the moment kid shanks cried (something I REALLY want to know what shanks asked him)

[lost spoke]

I'll check it now

[lost spoke]

I couldnt find it there but maybe youre talking about these 2 panels regarding their reaction to Rodger's death where they use the terms never and cry?

[pure raven]

it's chapter 590, just found it in where shanks talk about how he wish roger would cry and run away at times

[lost spoke]

Thats actually a really beautiful chapter and a great moment. You actually also helped me find a random clip for a different theory I'm putting together.

[pure raven]

interesting what kinda theory you putting up?

[modest skiff]

I think it’s possible the one piece grants some type of power over something that is very fundamental. I think that by having control of (blank), someone has complete and total control over the world. Perhaps something like control of water lol. Like if you could mentally control all water in the world, you are essentially the top military power overnight

[lost spoke]

Its possible BB doesnt sleep due to sheer fear when he was young. There is a concept in One Piece where average citizens dont sleep at night due to the fear of pirates. BBs panel entrance in Impel down is directly after this quote and we also know he had a really rough childhood according to Oda.

In the chapter you brought up a random citizen says it again

[pure raven]

a basic power everyone has access too is intriguing I wonder if this power would also trigger memories or laughter

[lost spoke]

See how the line is bolded again and BB enters next page. Sometimes I wonder if BB lost a parent early on to pirates and lived a terrible life for the first few years.

Sometimes i wish I could keyword search all of onepiece

and of course he looks miserableness has a kid and we know he was an orphan

[pure raven]

that sound like something BB would do ngl, Oda doesn't really portray him as the most brave pirate. As per his fight with WB he was scared and called for the help of his crew. So maybe not sleep prevents him from being hunted from his dark past. It's still sus but it sounds like something that would make sense

[lost spoke]

Yea i think there might be something there but its a work in progress, just something to watch for. We know he'll get some kind of tragic backstory so I'm trying to piece it together early. My head cannon is Xebec was his dad or a role model/guardian who we know was killed by a vice admiral and a pirate. That might explain his motives amd give him something sad.

[pure raven]

What if D "will of D" is dawn and dusk? Luffy is dawn(sun god) and Blackbeard is dusk?

[lost spoke]

Read my theory on that, its probably my most complete and all encompassing one: #manga-theories message

You can also find it pinned here but thats the link for it, its long but it touches on most major concepts in One Piece and centers around Sun & Moon

[pure raven]

That's a good one

[lost spoke]

Thank you, took about a solid week of reading a professors textbook to learn the Aztec lore. Can't believe it even addresses the darn trees and human size variation. I think it hints at the ending structure of One Piece

[peak cape]

I like this idea. Would give BB a bit of sympathy.

[lost spoke]

Yeah, there is an SBS where Oda is asked which crew he would want to be in. He says if he was strong then Blackbeard's. i find that interesting because it doesnt seem like Oda wants to make BB a clear bad guy but a good guy with some misunderstanding.

And in my Fifth Sun theory it explains how BB and Luffy will come together in the end to shape the world.

[weary cliff]

That could just be a joke. I'd want to be a BB pirate too. They party hard

[lost spoke]

He also said Buggy first which I think is the really fun one

[weary cliff]

That's another strong contender, but you know the BB pirates fuck

[lost spoke]

I've been told BB rocks the house

[hasty parrot]

U mean rocks D house?

[plain shell]

Yeah blackbeard is not a good person

How're you gonna make the guy that captured Ace, helped kill Whitebeard, and harassed Bonney to be a good person

[lament fjord]

wdym? Roger never crying ?

[pseudo citrus]

Alright, we all know the obvious choice for the Pheasant is Marco... but we were all pretty sure of tiger, then kirin... and we saw how that turned out. We've also heard Kuzan (formerly Aokiji aka Blue Pheasant), but this is redundant with Yamato's ice powers. Thus, I want to make a different guess for the pheasant:
Eustass Kid
-His fruit is the Jiki-Jiki fruit. Pheasant in Japanese is kiji, and this information was conspicuously added to the SBS after Oda said he forgot to put it in the manga.
-Based on the context of Oden's flashback, I think we should expect all of Momonosuke's allies to be from the next generation. Marco was a pirate on the ship where Momonosuke was born, so he's definitely the previous generation.
-Momonosuke never directly interacted with Kid (?), but he at least helped break open the prison that was holding Kid. Marco, on the other hand, came to Wano because of Luffy and doesn't really have any reason to be Momo's ally.
-This cover from Chapter 1012 speaks for itself:

[lament fjord]

or Oda just wants to be your typical pirate hunting treasure and shit

[lament fjord]

fr even someone like Burgess

[lament fjord]

ah

[pure raven]

I don't think shanks ever caught roger crying

[lament fjord]

we haven't

[pure raven]

even when the atmosphere* was gloomy

[lament fjord]

tho Oden mentions them laughing and crying at Laugtale, doesn't he ?

but it could be that he meant just the crew and not Roger himself

Roger has been smiling throughout, even when disbanding his crew

like Rayleigh cried, his crew bawled pretty much when Roger left

we didn't see Roger shed a tear

[pure raven]

yeah and we know shanks wasn't there at laugh tale to see if roger even cried. I don't think roger has ever cried in front of his crew and is a major aspect in his character so that's where I think he's different from luffy and how luffy may react differently to the treasure

[lament fjord]

he got teary laughing atleast
https://c.tenor.com/FmLxlIJiE7wAAAAM/il-riait.gif

[lament fjord]

yeah, Luffy is gonna cry, won't be surprised if it's something that makes him cry

like it's kinda implied that one of the reasons they laughed was cause of how absurd it was, and they couldn't do anything, were too early

but Luffy wouldn't be too early, he's the one

[pure raven]

Yeah the meaning may be an even greater treasure since this is the appointed time, and that it would stir war. Something I wonder a lot is if this treasure would make luffy angry or sad

https://youtu.be/3ci1Wq2hby8
A good theory which is not ohara's

[lost spoke]

I made an earlier post about it but it seems like the reason they laughed was because what they saw amounted to a great adventure. Also they do mention laughing until tears sprang from there eyes but I thats still relating more to laughing than sorrow crying

We got into alot today, we figured out Jimbe will likely face mortal perial, we took a stab at the One Piece, the ancient kingdom, Giants, the nature of ancient weapons/ sovereigns, advanced haki, Blackbeards backstop and Rock among some other things.

[violet badge]

Pheasants are phasianidae who loves moon .. That means the kozuki symbol with a phasianide, and the moon about the ohara theory.. That leads us to the connection between wano and the kingdom of moon

Plus we know a monkey, a dog and a pheasant defeats the oni in momotaro mythology.. So maybe the dog i. E guardian diety of wano, the monkey I. E the sun god of shandora and the pheasant who loves moon is the diety of laugh tale( the moon)

[lost spoke]

Obviously I'm very biased on this but if your using the sun and moon connection go read my Fifth Sun theory. I think it ties in the sun and moon stuff much better than the Ohara one and gives better context to what they are. @violet badge

[violet badge]

I mean what ohara said is basically what everyone knows.. So I used his name to state the connection he made as the sun kingdom and the moon kingdom.. And I added how it connects to the wano kingdom

[tired osprey]

so the pheasant is pell?

since he is the guardian of alabasta, and alabasta displays a lot of suns

[violet badge]

Bruh really? Pheasants love moon not the sun

[lost spoke]

If you read the theory we'll see the sun and moon connections are more Iikely relating to people. The sun is Luffy and the moon is Blackbeard. I use historical references and the Aztec creation myth relating to tie in most major concepts in one piece. Just take the time to read it if your interested in the sun and moon stuff. Its the top pin on this channel. @violet badge

[violet badge]

I must say your theory is impressive..

My theory has a loop in itself as who is the diety of the kingdom of moon.. Maybe it's BlackBeaed perhaps which doesn't give backbone to the pheasant I said.

But BlackBeaed and pheasants both have connection to the moon

@lost spoke

[lost spoke]

Thank you for reading

[tiny forum]

Good points

[ancient vault]

agree

@lost spoke what about solar eclipse?

Can you integrate that in ur theory too with the ancient history stuff u got? Or is there no mention of solar eclipses

[tiny forum]

You know swrml theories are good untill they are proven wrong

TBH imo for carribou in upcoming chapter I think the same thing gonna happen like we had during fmi

Both Luffy and momo going to discuss something and somehow carribou gonna hear that

Like we know momo said that he need to survive after reading odens log book I guess there is something mentioned about kozuki lineage

Sawyerimage covered this in his review he also thinks the same way

Let's see well it's just a prediction it can be wrong

[violet badge]

Good shit

[lost spoke]

Solar eclipses are recorded in Aztec records but their thoughts on them are a bit unclear. They related it to darkness and seem to see it as a battle against the sun however for this particular theory I try to to pull from a bunch if different concepts. I like this one centering soly on the most important Aztec event and their creation myth. I see one culture's story addressing most of One Piece's world concepts as a strong foundation so I don't like mudding it by expanding outside of its core. Other's can tie in concepts as they see fit but I try to get this one simple in terms of origin in order to create the strongest more cohesive foundation.

[ancient vault]

I see

[pine delta]

I still think its a lot of aliens at work. "Blackbeards body is ... odd" because he's from outer space

[tiny forum]

[crude abyss]

This is a real stretch of a theory, but what if hiyori is the pheasant, and she literally has a mythical pheasant fruit or something. I think a lot of us assume that either her or toki healed the scabbards, and her having a similar fruit to marco could explain that. Also her having a pheasant fruit could explain how she got up to onigashima in the first place. (I don't really believe this, this is more of a What If?)

[amber oar]

• That would render Marco redundant
• If that was the case she could have hid with Toko much more easily, instead she kept running from ninja following her steps
• We're already crowded with mythical dfs, there are already 4 in this arc for a type of df that is supposed to be rarer than Logia

[crude abyss]

Yeah, its more of just a what if, I just sorta want to put my crazy theories out here so in the event they happen I can say I predicted it

[waxen dust]

Void Century-Bronze Age

Okay, I am going to tell you what the Void Century is. It is based on an actual Void Century (or Dark age as historians call it)

Now how did I get this conclusion, well I once read a theory from a redditor who claimed the Void Century is based on the end of the Islamic Golden age, which many scholars date at the Siege of Baghdad. After the Siege, the great Library of Baghdad was destroyed, its knowledge lost for eternity. Mesopotamia is also known as the cradle of civilization, and if you google "Saturn Satan", you stumble upon black cubes that look somewhat similar to the Kaba in Mekka and also somewhat similar to phoneglyhs. I don't know what these cubes are as it is a conspiracy theory which is a big no for me. At this point my research stopped for a while, until I came to a shocking realization using the philosophy of the Ourouboros snake...

Civilization did not just collapse once in Mesopotamia, but twice! In the 1200 ADs...

And in the 1200 BCs! The Bronze Age Collapse!

Now starting in 1200 BC all the high cultures of the Mediterranean Bronze Age collapsed: Mycene, Hatti, Egypt, and Mesopotamia!
And the cause of it... Well it is lost.
But it is believed to have something to do with Pirates! The mysterious Sea People!
No one knows who they were or where they came from, with some people even speculating they came from Atlantis (which is bs but still interesting). After the Bronze Age collapse, writing was largely lost until the Phoenicians reinvented it. Both Egyptians and Mesopotamians are known to have written via masonry... Just like our Ancient Kingdom!

And this led me to the next part, because the 1200s BCs are the years of Ramses II., whose wife is called Nefertari and who is believed by some to be the pharaoh during the biblical Exodus, where Moses took the Israeli slaves to Canaan, and on his way he split the Red Sea!

And now to the last part, I also googled 20 Kings, and it led me to the 20 Kings of Judah. I wasn't satisfied though and looked further, and found out that Israel, when it seceded from Judah had 19 Kings. And here is the thing: The first King of Israel, Jerobeam, is possibly not the actual first King. He achieved the throne via the help of Egypt, and it is believed by many that the actual first King was the Pharaoh of Egypt, with Jerobeam as his proxy.
19+Egypt=20
Now please note that these Kings form a line of succession and didn't all exist at the same time, still it seems fitting.

Now you might say "I have never heard of the Bronze Age collapse, so how could Oda, a Japanese man have?"
Well we already know that Oda is familiar with Ancient Egypt (Alabasta) and ancient Mesopotamia (Enel), and the Japanese Wikipedia article of the Bronze Age collapse is awarded, which means the theme has quite the reception over there.

End of a Civilization, lost History, lost writing, Pirates, Slaves, a split Sea (colors match)... I think this is the source. Now you might realize that I have covered Islam and Judaism, two of the three Abrahamic monotheist religions.
What I am leaving out is Christianity, and I have some sources from Christian history as well that I am going to tell you guys a later date. Again I don't really want this to compile too much so splitting it up might be a better idea.

[scenic thicket]

i wonder how closely the end will follow dressrosa. is there another kyros hidden away somewhere forgotten, will joyboy come back?

i was rewatching the arc and thought the statue to kyros was like the poneglyphs

[sick spear]

Is it impossible for Luffy to be Rogers son? Like is there anything in the manga in terms of birthdate and numbers that would contradict that?

[cedar sinew]

it's impossible

[grizzled fog]

Roger died before luffy was born I’m pretty sure. Even ignoring the other things that contradict that

[knotty sky]

Nah he's Dragons son

[sand sail]

Roger died 24 years back, Luffy is 19 right now, so it's physically impossible

[clever pebble]

Roger died around the time Ace was born right ?

[queen arrow]

Roger died before Ace was born

[sick spear]

You think it would be a stretch to say Luffy's mother somehow delayed his birth

[visual merlin]

yes

[sick spear]

And Ace is actually Dragons son

[visual merlin]

well that would just be

wrong

[errant sandal]

Hi

[queen arrow]

we know for a fact that Ace is Roger's son, and the circumstances that lead to that where exceedingly unique

[sick spear]

I'll be back when I'm right 🙂

[queen arrow]

in any case, Garp, Dragon, Ace and others all directly confirm that Luffy is Dragon's son

[visual merlin]

so you won't be back

[queen arrow]

are you familiar with one piece

[visual merlin]

Im not and Im just gonna delete that since that has implications

in any case, we know ace is roger's son

and luffy is dragon's

[queen arrow]

that's not gonna change

[visual merlin]

Some theories you just have to let go

[queen arrow]

ban time

[cedar sinew]

please

dont spoil other series

and no one was being hostile

[sick spear]

Sorry about that. But yea I don't think it's quite impossible. I brought it up because I found it interesting how Momonoske inherited hearing the voice of all things from his father. I used to believe it was like an avatar type of thing where the power would go into a random person ( or a random "D" but that might not be the case

[cedar sinew]

maybe dragon has it too

[sick spear]

Just like the powers of Poseidon are passed down to people within the bloodline

Yea that's actually possible as well.

[queen arrow]

there's absolutely no way Luffy is Roger's son at this point in the story

[visual merlin]

Sukiyaki didn't have it to our knowledge, it has to start somewhere

[sick spear]

Would make a lot of sense for Garp to lie about Luffy's birth origins if he knew about the void century and all that. Sengoku definitely knows something so Garp might too

[queen arrow]

we already had the big reveal of Dragon and Garp being his family and that his brother Ace was Roger's son and not biologically his brother

[visual merlin]

and ^ to Mate. It's been confirmed in every way possible ace is roger's son and luffy is dragon's

[cedar sinew]

Ace's entire narrative was that he lived in the shadows of his father (roger) and escaped and lived his own life under Whitebeard. There's absolutely no way that'd change in this point of the story. Changing that would be changing multiple arcs prior

[autumn crypt]

Thanks for sharing man

[cedar sinew]

so would changing the fact that dragon's son is luffy

[queen arrow]

it's very unlikely Garp knows much, even Sengoku if he knows anything is very little

[sick spear]

Sengoku definitely knows something. Every time someone teases to say something his eyes pop out of his head lol

[cedar sinew]

what does that have anything to do with the void century

[visual merlin]

Why would knowing about the void century mean he says Luffy is Dragon's son, if he was trying to get suspicion off luffy why would you go to dragon? And how does that work? Is Roger garp's son?

or is Garp just not related to luffy at all

[sick spear]

I wasn't making a connection with the two. I was stating that Sengoku most likely knows his history on the void century and the Will of D

[visual merlin]

I don't get this, we've been given all the confirmation in the world for these things, there's no denying them, and it would make no sense anyway

[queen arrow]

you literally said that Garp knowing stuff about the void century would be the reason for him to lie

so you are making a connection

[sick spear]

Yea it would. If Garp knows whatever Rayleigh, Shanks and Sengoku know then yes it would be a good reason to try and protect Luffy. Also Garp hates the Celestial Dragons

[queen arrow]

what are you even talking about

[sick spear]

And I'm pretty sure the celestial dragons are the reason for whatever dark history that's in One Piece now.

[queen arrow]

how does that tie in to Luffy's being Roger son in any way

[sick spear]

To sum it all up : Garp might know Luffy is a part of something big and lied in order to protect him knowing how hard the WG would come for him if they found out.

[visual merlin]

if you're trying to protect luffy why would you say his dad is the literal leader of the revolutionaries of all people

and again, how does that work? Is Roger garp's son? Or is Garp just not related to luffy? What's the actual family tree here

[sick spear]

Remember when Imu had pictures of the mermaid princess, vivi and Luffy? To me that signified that those are suppose to be the saviors of the world and Imu wanted to take them out with the context of how they've been keeping control of the world this whole time. All three of those people aren't even top 5 most dangerous characters in the series so it made no sense for possibly the 2nd most important character in the series to be focusing on them

[queen arrow]

how does that tie in to Luffy's being Roger's son

[sick spear]

I explained this. Read up. Also the reason I'm even having a little fun with this theory is because Luffy has the ability to hear the voice of all things. Momonoske inherited his ability from his father. So is it only a bloodline thing?

[queen arrow]

no?

because we know for a fact that Luffy isn't Roger's son, you're making the assumptions backwards here

that's another other series thing

3rd time you do that

[sick spear]

That's not a spoiler

[queen arrow]

!thatsnotaspoiler

[lone hedge]

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[cedar sinew]

let's jjust move on. Convo going nowhere

[knotty sky]

There's just way too many holes in this theory. First, we've been told by multiple characters Luffy is Dragon's son. Second, if it were true it would devalue the Sabo, Ace, Luffy brotherhood since they made the choice to be family. Third, this twist would add nothing to the story. Fourth, why would Dragon go along with this? There's obviously more but that's just a quick 4

Also timeline wise it makes no sense

[cedar sinew]

Probably not because a main theme of dressrosa was remembering the forgotten. Not a thing in Wano. And joyboy is basically Luffy so he's already here

[sick spear]

Bro Dragon probably doesn't even know lol. And once again multiple characters can say something and still be oblivious to the truth themselves

[queen arrow]

Dragon doesn't know?

[knotty sky]

He doesn't know Luffy isn't his son?

[sick spear]

He doesn't know that Garp made the decision to lie about the two.

[queen arrow]

what

[knotty sky]

Ivankov knows

[scenic thicket]

yeah ur right it’s not a thing in wano but for a future arc with marie joiase

[queen arrow]

Garp has basically confirmed that Luffy is his son to people, and the news of Luffy being his son was announced to the world

[cedar sinew]

someone forgotten in marie jois?

[sick spear]

You still aren't getting it Matehiqu.. Let me chew your food for you. You ever seen a woman lie that a man is the the father when he isn't? Think of it kind of like that. We've seen time and time again things aren't always as them seem in one piece. Just like Luffy being the 5th emperor

[autumn crypt]

Imu is an immortal egyptian pharaoh and is looking for the reincarnation of his wife. That's why he held the picture of vivi to erase knowledge of her from the world and marry her. Vivis full name is Nerfetari Vivi. In old Egypt Nefertari was the wife of the Egyptian pharaoh. His plan is to get the op op nomi devilfruit and to use it on vivi somehow making her immortal too.. That's why CP-0 members are currently near law, some people suspect law of dieing in wano arc and laws devilfruit having 1 billion reward by the world government.

Credits alpha2late on youtube

[knotty sky]

Why on earth would Oda have so many characters lie to us for the past however many long years about this? There's no narrative purpose to it

[queen arrow]

so the mother would know the Garp's scheme but not Garp's own son?

[sick spear]

Cool theory

[queen arrow]

i'm not convinced you aren't trolling tbh

[grizzled fog]

There’s also ya know, roger dying 4+ years before luffy was born

[queen arrow]

we already had a big reveal of Luffy's lineage, and a big reveal of Ace being Roger's son and the unique circumstances that lead to it

[cedar sinew]

cp0 was there for orochis weapons trade

[sick spear]

Bro this guy says the same thing over and over holy crap.

[queen arrow]

yeah and you failed at reading the marineford arc somehow

[sick spear]

If you don't get it now you won't get it if i explain 5+ different times. Humans are capable of lying bro

[cedar sinew]

@sick spear @queen arrow I've said it before, move on

discussion is going absolutely nowhere. And theres no agreement being made

[sick spear]

@grizzled fog Yea but it's possible to hold a baby for more than 9 months with a devil fruit that has an ability to do that. Why would they delay the birth? To protect Luffy from the WG that was for sure looking for him after Rogers execution. And alright mb I'll end it here

[grizzled fog]

Mai said to move on. I’m done

[sick spear]

He had a knife to her picture though. I feel like it would make more sense for her to be a reincarnated enemy that might get in the way of he/she keeping power.

Just rewatched mb i was wrong. This theory is juicy af

[autumn crypt]

He used that knife for the peoples posters that are currently a threat for his throne. Shirahoshi (Poseidon), Blackbeard, Luffy He was interacting with butterflies 🦋 and held the poster of Vivi right after which is a sign of love

[drowsy copper]

how many chances there are that the Sunny is actually Pluton, or it has part of it on it considering Franky had the BLueprints on his mind?

[sick spear]

Yea that makes a lot of sense. I wonder how he's able to see that these are reincarnated people. I had a feeling all of those people including Momonoske were suppose to be reincarnated people before it was revealed

[river plaza]

Imma be like waiting since forever to know about what happened at Mariejois during reverie

[pine delta]

Imu is an alien, I haven't thought much about egyptian history but its a pretty common trope of "aliens built the pyramids" so I could see it all coming together

[proud tree]

imu also had an image of Blackbeard.

and BB is not a hero or savior

[autumn crypt]

I've just searched how the poneglyphs can be connected to Real World and saw connection to Saturn, Satan, Cube, 666 free masonry and Mekka. I've read that the Mekka is build on a meteorite because people believed it to be godly. In op world oda could make us aware of this by having an alien on the throne and getting worshipped because they believe them to be godly sent too. We also saw Enel on the moon interacting with non earthly creatures aka aliens so I think your theory has a 24.67% chance of being correct and 54% chance of scratching the surface.

[sick spear]

@proud tree Dragonsenpai1 put it into better words. Someone that threatens Imu's throne

[autumn crypt]

Better? Changed a word so it should make more sense now. I'm sorry English isn't my best language. And I don't usually care for grammatic or better words while using my phone.

[sick spear]

No your English is perfect bro

[autumn crypt]

Fun fact: Rob Luccy's name means steal the light and he is used for extinguishing people's light/life

[proud tree]

next he will steal Luffys light

[autumn crypt]

I'm sure the leopard has learned his lessons and won't try to eat rubber again

[proud tree]

Big brain CP0: Lets luffy destroy Kaido. Then cash in Kaido bounty for funding

[dusky crest]

hey, I've heard a lot ab the wano raid ending in failure

what yall think ab that, cuz personally i think its bs

[grizzled fog]

Yes

[pure raven]

There will be unexpected people coming

[pure raven]

So we don't know that yet about failure

[proud crystal]

it'd be cool to have it fail and they have to regroup and try again or something else, but wano's already even longer than dressrosa, isn't it? don't want it dragging on too long. i could see either way

[pure raven]

Before luffy getting into rooftop people were literally debating for Luffy won't even hurt kaido

I wonder where are they

[weak flicker]

So what if Bonney was actually the real queen of the Sorbet Kingdom and Kuma was her son?

[runic osprey]

I think the marines are preparing for a war against the revolutionary army

[gleaming vector]

There is a theory that the people who beat Kaido will be Luffy, Momonosuke, Yamato, and Marco by that folk tale about the oni. What do you guys think of this theory?

[weary cliff]

I'm sure they have plans in place for the revos, but even still I think Sakazuki's line has everything to do with the Shichibukai situation. We saw high ranking marines being deployed for that purpose. At the same time the Wano situation was unfolding. But they had to deal with the warlords immediately, in response to the Reverie decree.

If it had been future plans against the revolutionary army, that wouldn't necessarily stop the navy from intervening in the present Wano conflict. The revos haven't been poised to make a big strike, so it would be the navy taking aggressive action. All they would have to do is postpone that action if that was the thing stopping them from facing the yonko

[weary cliff]

Marco is the missing piece here. He really hasn't interacted with Momo at all and is only connected through sort of through Oden. However, if Zoro toes tag in for the King fight, it does leave Marco in search of a new role. We'll see

They did? Regardless we still see the direct reason why the navy is understaffed. If anything a potential conflict with the revos adds to their frustration, but it's not the immediate concern

Okay, I gotcha. They probably made a declaration off screen and that wasn't reported in the papers

[runic osprey]

I think he is captured and the revolutionary army already went to go check and even black beard made his way there and obviously if luffy hears about the news he will go there too

[weak flicker]

Maybe the WG just planted the story to Piers, who isn’t always a reliable source, to make everyone think Sabo is dead so they don’t have another Ace/Marineford on their hands like last time. He might just be down in Level 6, waiting for execution, maybe even chatting it up with Doffy. Holy crap, that would only add to why he was laughing in his cell! He saw the fake story and knew what was really going on!

Plus, like, as a narrative standpoint it literally makes no sense to give Sabo an off-panel death.

[worn rune]

Killing off another brother would be kinda played out at this point

[runic osprey]

Yea sabo clashed with the admirals and then the big news happened so either he got captured or killed but he most likely got captured but piers would lie about it anyways and besides they already send someone to silence him but they were unable to stop the news to spread.

[runic osprey]

Agreed its gonna be war where luffy will be able to save sabo i dont think oda would let him die like that

[silk rain]

I dont like the idea if a repeat of war over ace I assume it will be a part of it though, because sabo has been a planned character he definitely has a big purpose

[frank grail]

@silk rain Do you think there gonna use sabo to get dragon just like they used ace to get Whitebeard

or luffy

[silk rain]

At this point I cant be sure that he even was captured, but if he was I would assume its to get to luffy, I haven't seen any clear sign that the wg are actively looking for a way to get at the revolutionary army yet, but they have shown that theyve wanted to get at luffy for sure

But as far as how the pacing happens, I dont believe it will be the arc after wano if it happens it just seems like one major war after another

[pure raven]

Ok I know this is going to sound weird and a probably not true but does anybody think there may be some kind of relation between Don Chinjao/Hapo Navy and Imu/The Throne? This is purely down to the drill that Chinjao used to have on his head. I just think it's almost too in our face to just ignore. Kind of one of those things nobody would ever expect. I’m reaching I know but something I thought about

[scenic thicket]

barto might have the only devil fruit that can counter haki if oden couldnt do anything to it

[weak flicker]

So, I’ve been thinking about some of the eleven supernovas lately, especially Bonney. I have a theory on her I’ve looked into a bit: What if she is Kuma’s mother?

Think about it. They both come from the South Blue, with Kuma specifically from the Sorbet Kingdom.

At the start of the Marineford War, with the reveal of the Pacifistas to the world with an explanation as to what happened specifically to Kuma and Whitebeard being stabbed, Bonney began to cry. Now if those tears were for Whitebeard or even Ace, no one would blame her. But not even her own crew was sure of why she was crying, and the crying started almost as soon as Doflamingo was done telling everyone that Kuma was more machine than man now.

Then, after the Marineford War, Bonney took off on her ship to Blackbeard, who she claimed was responsible for everything. Now you might be thinking: “Well doesn’t that go against what you were talking about earlier?” Not exactly. Yes, Blackbeard is responsible for both the death of Ace and Whitebeard, that latter of which directly. But Bonney doesn’t attribute either of their deaths. And when you think about, the Marineford War was what lead to Kuma becoming a robot and the production of the Pacifistas.

Bonney is then defeated and held captured by the Blackbeard Pirates with the intent to give her out to the Marines in exchange for a ship. Instead, Admiral Akainu arrives to take them all in, with the BB Pirates running off and leaving Bonney to them. Bonney is taken in by Akainu and the Marines shortly thereafter.

Some time later, after the Timeskip, Bonney seemingly escapes from whatever prison she was being held in (most likely Impel Down). Bonney is then seen reading about Doflamingo’s resignation from his Warlord status in a snowy area, and then reading about his defeat later on by a restaurant as a kid.

Bonney later entered Mary Geoise, posing as Queen Conney of the Sorbet Kingdom. She later went to the Celestial Dragon gate at the Pangaea Castle and snuck into the Domain of the Gods when the gate opened for an injured Charlos. While hiding from the Celestial Dragons, she saw how Rosward mistreated his new slave, Bartholomew Kuma, and was shocked and disgusted by this, seemingly vowing retribution.

My theory is that Bonney really is Queen Conney of the Sorbet Kingdom and Kuma is her son. Hot much of a coincidence is it that Conney just happens to look almost exactly like an older Bonney. And Conney is a real name, an actual attendee of the Reverie. And this implies Queen Conney or Kuma were somehow related, as Kuma ruled over the Sorbet kingdom himself for some time, hence his title as a tyrant. He was eventually deposed by and joined up with the Revolutionary Army, where he then went as a deep cover agent in the WG as a warlord and was then made into a cyborg. With Bonney’s powers, she might have kept herself looking old in public and the Reverie attendees but kept herself young when no one was looking. She might have eventually given up her title as queen and gave it to her son, Kuma, who abused the title and became a dictator. After Kuma’s defeat by the Revolutionary Army, the Sorbet Kingdom became the occupation of the WG, leaving Conney a wanted woman and no home in her kingdom. She may have used her powers to become young and give herself a new identity as Bonney, a pirate captain heading to the New World, in hopes of saving her son, Kuma.

[silk rain]

Kuma was not made for the paramount war, and although its likely that bonney is actually the queen, and how does conney being a real name and attende at the reverie somehow prove that conney is related to kuma?

[weak flicker]

• I meant Kuma going FULL robot in preparation for the Paramount War, as Kuma expected as such and wanted to make sure he sent the Strawhats on their way before it went down. And to do that, he needed Vegapunk’s programming, without any possible commands from the Marines to do otherwise getting in the way. While he found a couple of loopholes in Thriller Bark, he didn’t want anything to go out without a hitch.
• Conney is just Bonney with a C. Just saying, pretty obvious fake name.
• Conney was the original ruler of the Sorbet Kingdom, and it’s implied Kuma was handed down the title and he essentially became a tyrant.

[silk rain]

Its interesting but theres not much more info on bonney to prove it

Its just as likely she married to kuma because connie is a dowager queen 🤔😂

[lost spoke]

You are likely right, I have more on this but right now I'll just reiterate some of what your saying. Queen Dowager means a queen acting in place of a king. We know Kuma was the king. Bonny can change her age but not her appearance so if Oda is fair about this (which I think he is) Bonny either has to be Conny or be biologically related to Conny. If Bonny is a daughter of a queen I would assume others would know that giving her fame as a pirate. In Chapter 908 we get a panel of Bonny/Conny running away from Kuma while upset. Inside this same panel one of the dragons says "Oh, my beloved son!!". Now this is circumstantial however this is something Oda does ALOT. He overlays 2 means inside one event, trust me it happens all the time. Bonny also seems to have a strong connection to Whitebeard which might make more sense if she was older and closer to his age. Bonny is based on Anne Bonny, a noble turned pirate. Oda also claims Bonny would be from Australia, who also has a Queen Dowager. Its possible Bonny and Kuma are lovers, which is closer to Anne Bonny's original story however the Nobel background and interactions with characters seems to more likely point to her being Kuma's mother and she moved back into ruling when Kuma stepped down or was removed from power. It is also pretty clear Kuma was blackmailed into becomeing a cyborg from Franky's dialogue. We might assume this is related to Bonny being captured by the goverment. if its true that Bonny is Conny and currently runs the kingdom, we have to ask a few questions. 1). Who is running the kingdom when Bonny/Conny is away? What event gave Kuma the title of Tyrant? Why did Kuma join the Revolutionary Army?

[red kite]

my theory would be that the will of the D is for people with a smile because already the D means the smile :D all the characters wearing the D tend to smile and laugh more than the others (roger, luffy, saul, blackbeard, Garp , xebec except law which smiles very little at him)

the will of the D is the will to laugh, the will to make the world a better place is joyful

it was done by google translation sorry for mistakes

[hazy frigate]

Bonney having a relationship with kuma is for sure...but whether she is Kuma's mother or daughter we can't speculate that bcoz oda hasn't given us enough info ..kuma was definitely the king of sorbet kingdom and I think navy has some way of blackmailing Kuma ..or else he wouldn't have let the govt perform experiments on him

He might have even defied celestial dragon at some point in time while being a part of revolutionary and maybe the world govt threatened kuma by saying we will destroy the entire sorbet kingdom with buster call.

Maybe govt gave him a deal saying if you become a part of the experiment (pacifista), we will let your kingdom be

You know why zoro went to mihawk's island ..it's bcoz perona specified where she wanted to go..and her choice specified that she wanted to be somewhere dark and gloomy so he sent her to mihawk's island..when it came to Zoro and the situation being as it was kuma sent him there as well ..and I also think all places where he sent the strawhat crew are the places he had been or somehow known about ..it wasn't random

And I think bonney is Kuma's daughter and that is coz when she saw him at Mariejois oda specifically juxtaposed, charlos talking to his father..and she begins to cry after seeing Kuma's condition

[silk rain]

yeah lol just not enough about kuma bonney or sorbet kingdom to speculate yet

[hazy frigate]

I think charlos talking to his father whilst bonney looked at them ridding on kuma is foreshadowing of their relationship ..

And the panel where she cries ..is when charlos is calling out to his father.

Ever wondered how she escaped Akainu...I think Akainu tasked her with some mission..

Akainu is very manipulative...you can see that in paramount war ..he knows how to take advantage of people

So I think she is tasked with a mission of infiltration

[lost spoke]

Yeah, thats my idea above. It's total speculation but Oda commonly does this narrative tactic of double meanings inside panels. It's also possible this relationship is a reverse meaning father/daughter but it plays better as a parallel

Not to mention her appearing young but being old is just interesting

[hazy frigate]

She is constantly eating for a reason too ..I think

Maybe her devil power requires that to keep that form and appearance

[lost spoke]

I've kicked that one around hit so far I don't even have a thread to go off of. I can't find anything linking Pizza to her yet. Its possible its just her quirk. I'll let you know if I find anything relating back to that.

[hazy frigate]

Yeah..maybe she is just glutton like luffy without any deep meaning

But can't be too sure

[lost spoke]

Her slob like mannerisms does mirror her real life counter part though and is a good reverse to her potential background as a noble

[hazy frigate]

Yeah you are right

Whenever the news of whatever happened to sabo reaches luffy ...in that arc we will find out about Kuma ..I m sure of that

[lost spoke]

I agree. I think its SUPER clear the paper says Sabo is dead but the rest I can't be confident about

[hazy frigate]

I'm not sure about that ..though you know why

Bcoz if you go back and read how Morgan specified the whole thing ..he wanted to make cover story two on one side and one other news of the other ..

He said specifically told to print a death obituary

[lost spoke]

If you give me a min I can make a case why i thin they claim him dead

[hazy frigate]

Yeah sure

[lost spoke]

Through Morgans we know the subjects of all three stories, the voting results, a murder and an attempted murder. We also know some people related to the stories. Sabo and the kingdom of Alabasta. We get many peoples reactions to Sabo's story. He likely has to related to a murder or an attempted murder. I think the former. The key people here are Dadan and Maikino. We see both of them react to Ace's death as well. Dadan being a mountain bandit, I dont think she would be so distraught if Sabo had attempted an assassination. The next thing is Sabo's brother and the terms both him and Dadan use. They both use the past tense when refering to him. For Sabo's brother this could just mean Sabo left but with Dadan it seems to suggest he was alive and is not any longer (of course we dont thing thats really true, its what the paper says). @hazy frigate

And it makes more sense for Makino's reacting if she gets the news that Sabo is dead instead of imprisoned or was the mastermind of an attempted murder. Vivi or her father might be the attempt on murder

[hazy frigate]

You are very correct..

[lost spoke]

As for the attempt, Garp mentions its an on going, unsolved matter. This can related back to either but we know an attempted murder will be unresolved with questions of why, who, how and so on

But to me the strongest evidence is the past tense and reactions from loved ones

[hazy frigate]

You know man ..I think you are right

[lost spoke]

I can also see, if the government was behind the attempted murder of a member of Alabasta, why they would want to cover it and we know the government was interested in Vivi. The Army wouldnt have been interested in killing anymore from Alabasta

[lost spoke]

I really try in my theories, Thanks. As you can see I keep a One Note to break everything down

[hazy frigate]

You know what I think ..I think the obituary was for cobra

When goa island people read the news ..dandan and makino got really upset over whatever sabo's news was ..but the citizens of Goa kingdom who were waiting outside makino's bar ..asked what happened to makino ..why is the bar closed

They also said the new is all depressing ... suggesting the goa kingdom citizen might have felt bad about cobra's death ..but not that bad

[lost spoke]

Keep in mind that Sabo left when he was around 10 and didn't socially mingle with many from the village. If Sabo was reported dead I would assume most wouldnt readily know him like they knew Luffy or Ace. Because of Morgans we know he has to be related to either a murder or attempted murder and I think only one of those gets that response out of Dadan. Cobra could be dying currently after being injured (target of an attempted assassination from the government) and that would ne enough to cause a great uproar.

[hazy frigate]

Yesss that is what I also think

Citizens of Goa kingdom got depressed but not that depressed ..coz they don't know about sabo

[lost spoke]

They can also be partly related, claiming Sabo was the assassination and is now dead after being stopped, giving the government a clear and pinning it on the Army

[hazy frigate]

Yeah

[lost spoke]

Alright i gotta run, just wanted to make my case for it

[hazy frigate]

Yeah see ya

[lost spoke]

Good talking with ya, we'll theory craft again sometime. I've got many questions about One Piece I wanna try to answer with others

[hazy frigate]

Yeah sure just tag me in it ..

[junior cape]

Caribou is secretly the key to victory. He can swallow up the entire castle, stopping the raid in its tracks. He can also stop the rubble of Onigashima from crushing the mainland.

Alternatively, he could help clean up the rabble on onigashima. He may be an idiot, but a 200 million logia user ain't worthless.

[pseudo citrus]

Random question: most of the Oden flashback has square boxes for parts that represent things he wrote in his travel journal... but the first few chapters are written about Oden, not by Oden... up to chapter 962 page 4, where it says "What follows is a series of excerpts of excerpts from oden's travel notes..." Are we supposed to assume that this is just Oda narrating, or could it be Toki/someone else writing in Oden's journal? The Oda boxes are usually more ornate, while these boxes are the same style as the journal boxes.

[junior cape]

I think that since they weren't classic Oda boxes, we can assume it was someone open-world narrating.

[pseudo citrus]

the weird thing is that all of the narration in the flashback after Oden gets back from Laughtale is Oda boxes

[sturdy hawk]

The boxes are parts of oden's journal, its not everything but thats mostly the content

[lost spoke]

There is a theory out there that Sabo is the narrator of One Piece

[full bone]

I strongly believe when sabo and admirals clash, they told sabo the news about luffy big mom and kaido, and sabo checked his viver card and at that time luffy was in prison, so maybe it was burning. I think sabo left but the remaining revolutionary army stayed and later free slaves

As for Blackbeard, I think he went on and claim alabaste because ploton is there for sure, where luffy found the Poneglyph

[fathom matrix]

What if Boa is finally defeated by Coby and taken in to be sent away, and he's awarded a vice admiral position.

But Coby doesn't seem too happy with it, because during their fight, Boa mentions something about Luffy, and they have a small conversaion about him and get an understanding, but Boa couldn't let him take her or the cuja pirates get captured. But Coby was a marine at the end of the day and had to do his job.

Maybe they find out she's been marked, and to a Celestial dragon that's a "tag" and without telling Coby directly or maybe he's told/finds out, she's actually taken back to the holy land because empress, former warlord or not, she was still a slave.

Maybe this could lead into Coby further doubting the marines

(1/2) (I still have 1 more idea quick so this is just half)

[ancient vault]

coby is no where near as strong as boba

hes not the leading person capturing boa. Hes just going there with someone else someone higher up possibly an admiral

[fathom matrix]

He might be in assistence to fighting her and gets defeated but still puts up a good fight, then an admiral steps in to defeat and take in boa

however it is, I still think there should or could be an interaction

cause it seems too perfect that 2 people who are obsessed with Luffy, are having a conflict or are about to

[ancient vault]

He could see the giant portrait of luffy

[fathom matrix]

oh for def

There was this theory that if Luffy is found out to have the gum gum fruit and is finally taken in by the marines, maybe he's taken to the holy land because they need to retrieve that fruit and keep it locked (as another idea was it was Joyboy's and they don't want ANY of his legacy around). Or he hears that Sabo's imprisoned at the holy land to be executed or he was imprisoned for "assassinating" King Cobra, so he can't let another brother die.

This way, maybe Boa, Sabo and Luffy all meet together there, and hell, maybe Sabo actually meets Boa before hand, hears that he's Luffy's brother and he's a revolutionary, and she could actually like him too (not in a romantic way, but in a respectful sense of what he's doing and he's Luffy's brother, not trying to insinuate a triangle).

(2/2)

[pure raven]

i think the next saga will be a similar thing to luffy saving ace but instad the dynamic will be with shanks

probably wont pan out the same way as the paramount war saga but imagine if luffy had to fight shanks and ends up killing him

[lost spoke]

I cant tell where Oda is going yet. On one hand I suspect the news about Sabo would spur him to go to him. But we also think they need to go to Elbaf. Unless Oda skips Elbaf I'm not sure what would make Luffy choose Elbaf or whatever else over going to Sabo and the news is too wide spread not to hear about it. Do you guys think we are going to Elbaf still and if so what order?

[pure raven]

we also have to remember luffy is very unaware of world events, theres a possibility that we could have an entire arc at elbaf and at the end of the arc we find out this whole time sabo was imprisoned and he goes to save him for the war at mariejoa

[stuck ore]

Akainu is still alive so please no

I dont wanna see another donut

[lost spoke]

Fried Sabo

[weak flicker]

How weird would it be if Sabo was cellmates with Doffy?

[runic osprey]

Could very much happen

Doffy is also a very important character on OP in my opinion the knowledge that guy has about everything is insane

[modest skiff]

If Sabo is in Impel Down, it is 100% getting destroyed, entirely.

[pure raven]

Guys i have a felling that the whole crew will fight against kaido as they did in thriller bark

[tacit veldt]

that would be the dream, really

[coarse coral]

something just tells me that kaido would kill the entire crew

[plush hornet]

i would fucking love it if this happens

[lost spoke]

As much as I want to see that, I think having some of them there would be a liability.

[lost spoke]

I'd assume he saw the attempted assassination and might have a clue who ordered it but I haven't spent a lot of time on his part yet so I don't have much grounds for it. When I have time I'll refresh myself on Walpol and what he might know

[waxen dust]

He likely snitched on Vivi saying she’s a Straw Hat pirate. Which will likely give her a bounty.

[silk rain]

I think youre right, from a writers perspective theres no point of bringing wapol back in, except for the fact that he knows she used to be part of the straw hats

[ancient vault]

read my wapol theory

im a bit wrong on the news paper part I think (thats where I started mostly headcanoning) but he will most likely still play a role later

Its pinned but here u go
#manga-theories message

[twin osprey]

noice

[silk rain]

Thats a crazy good theory

although wapometal is probably extremely powerful or valuable, im not convinced that it plays a big part in the ssg yet, cus theyre still pretty unknown and we dont know too much about them

except for the pacifista/kuma part, that makes a lot of sense

[waxen dust]

Wapometal SSG, that theory makes perfect sense actually. It could definitely explain Wapol quick ascension back to the Reverie. Also could very likely be he witnessed the exact events of Vivi/Sabo takes place, but I also think Vivi being given a bounty due to her association with SHs gives a more credible reason in the public eye to find her than “Gorosei said so”. Wapol could be filling in Morgans on both things. But definitely agree on the Wapometal SSG theory.

[fathom matrix]

I think Luffy and Zoro's main enemy's Kaido

not sure on ALL the crew fighting him, as everyone might be tired by then

[ancient vault]

[fathom matrix]

Plus, all the crew has had or is having their main battles, like RN Sanji's up against Queen

[weary cliff]

I would have liked a combo move ala Oars fight. However, Zoro has no place going back to roof, so I can't imagine literally any other SH would

[fathom matrix]

BTW, what I mean "Luffy and Zoro's main enemy's Kaido" I know it's a no brainer, but I meant it as "that's their main fight by themselves or together, and I don't see all the crew stepping in"

[fathom matrix]

there was the idea Zoro fights King, but I feel like Marco might finish him off/defeat him, cause they're both fire birds and what not

[weary cliff]

Nah, Marco tags out. Or they double team

[outer locust]

[slate torrent]

I feel like king might kill Marco this arc

[tired depot]

Has anybody watched the Ohara theory. And Is it as good as everyone says

If it’s too good. I don’t want to feel spoiled 😭

[sand sail]

You'll be fine, you'll never be spoiled by a theory

[cedar shore]

it's a great theory, but it's not like oh it's so good this HAS to be the answer

[lost spoke]

I think you are safe

[cedar shore]

there's convincing arguments but there's holes in it just like any theory, and yeah no theory can ever fully predict Oda so don't worry about being spoiled lol

[tired depot]

Lol bet

[lost spoke]

I always point to grandline's review video as the counter to Ohara's, if you wanna see the flip side of that one

[tired depot]

Is it the one where grand line reacts to it. It’s popped up on my recommended feed

[cedar shore]

i feel like grandline agreed with the main points of the theory mostly tho, he just nitpicked a few of the smaller pieces of evidence lol

[zinc oxide]

what ohara theory

[weary cliff]

Grandline gave credit where it was due, and tore away all the fluff

[lost spoke]

I think it was very fair, maybe even boardering on the nice side because I dont care for the theory myself

[silk rain]

I didnt like the part where he said laugh tale fell and its under enies lobby, thats where the theory lost me

But the left and right eye / night and day part is very interesting

[lost spoke]

I see the day and night aspect but for different reasons

[weak flicker]

I’m just wondering where Nika will lead us in the grand scheme of things.

[silk rain]

I think theres a connection between sun god and the weapons

[lost spoke]

I've got my Fifth Sun theory on it but in terms of if it will be an actual person in history idk. So far I only have opinons on the cultural significance/symbolism. and while in that theory I link the moon and blackbeard it actually could be Luffy and the D clan as the sun and thir allies as the moon since Wano and Minks are closely linked together and the moon. Also i discovered some neat stuff around the Dawn today

[limpid sequoia]

It's obviously important that the "Sun God" exists and is referenced in the same arc that we have the Kozuki who's symbol is that of the crescent moon, but I don't think we can really theorize about it yet

[lost spoke]

naw you can theorize at any time, thats the fun in it. The further out the better so you can watch it play out or change your hypothesis. Your theory can just be a road map. If it takes the turns you thought, cool. If not change your theory to a count for the new information.

[bitter kraken]

Marco might very well be unkillable unless you get dead stone on him, since he can regenerate

[main sigil]

He has a limit to his regen so you’d just need to hit him to that limit. Not unkillable

[modest skiff]

My theory is that when Marco dies, he turns into an egg that comes back to life in a year

[lost spoke]

Oh my god i want this hahahaha

[bitter kraken]

Lol that would be funny and could actually pass as something legit considering the fruit he has

[bright eagle]

I wouldn't mind if it's Luffy+Zoro vs Kaido. This arc starts with these two reunited (Act I)

It'd be poetic

[modest skiff]

I think Luffy and Zoro defeating Kaido together is appropriate for where Zoro is in his development. He's in a weird place where he feels favored vs any other commander but also clearly sub-yonko

[bitter kraken]

Any theories on how the Killer v Hawkins match will end? I’d really like killer to live up to his name

[modest skiff]

Ideally Hawkins does his stupid "tee hee hee! But will you kill your samurai allies just to kill me? Tee hee fucking hee bitch" and then Killer immediately stabs him in the head like 8 times, samurai die, Hawkins dies, Killer moves on like nothing happened

[silk rain]

[dusky acorn]

It would be interesting if Hawkins reveals he came prepared with the lives of Killer's crew-mates like Heat/Wire, but even that'd sorta be a repeat of what he tried doing with Law/Shachi/Penguin. I also don't know how the massacre boy would win that lol

I think with the way it's set-up, Killer can either only win, or the fight results inconclusive. I don't think Hawkins dies though

[modest skiff]

Hawkins is far and away one of my least favorite characters of the entire series, so I am blatantly rooting against him. He's been set up as a bit of a shit bag, but I also think we don't know enough about his non-fruit powers. I want to know more about his cards

[silk rain]

Hawkins only fighting against them cus he doesnt believe in fighting against the odds

So itll be cool to see how hawkins would react if they beat kaido against all odds

[modest skiff]

Would enjoy if Hawkins directly switched sides the moment Luffy had a 51% chance to win lol

[silk rain]

lmaoo

[floral relic]

Did Shinobou ate DF?

[junior cape]

Holy shit what will adult Momo look like? Oden 2.0? I think he'll look like a less-rowdy Oden.

[floral relic]

She has devil fruit

[junior cape]

Yes she did. Most people on Wano do not know what devil fruits are, so they call them "Jutsu" or sorcery

[pseudo citrus]

oden was already a chad by the age of 8, momo clearly got toki's genes

[junior cape]

Shinobou ate the Ripe-Ripe fruit, which gives her the ability to "ripen" anything, or rather, she can speed up the local time stream for any object/person she makes contact with, over a radius of her choosing

So, wood becomes dust, fruit becomes mold, rocks turn to pebbles, and living things grow old and die, if she chooses it

It's actually nutty, if she were to use it more seriously.

[runic osprey]

But why does momo want to be an adult will his fruit be more effective that way?

[junior cape]

Literally states that lmao

it makes sense

[gritty barn]

i always had a feeling that Shinobu would use her fruit on Momo at some point

[ornate perch]

Considering how his devil fruit powers look right now. If you compared it to kaido’s it would make sense as to why an adult version of momo would be stronger

[gritty barn]

It would help him be more reliable in this arc

[junior cape]

however, the repercussions of this will be large. He will maintain his personality and mannerisms, despite an adult body, and he will not be allowed to revert. There are no undo buttons here

[silk rain]

hes def not even close to kaido size tho

[runic osprey]

I know he his dragon form will be bigger

[junior cape]

Momo will age, but he will not grow up

[ornate perch]

Doesn’t really seem like that much of a drawback. I mean look at half the straw hat crew

[runic osprey]

But i think once he can transform into an adult dragon he will be way stronger too

[silk rain]

we dont know abt shinobus df so it could be like the gon transformation, if u guys seen hxh

[junior cape]

No literally Shinobou says there is no turning back. Her powers work one-way only

[silk rain]

Oh yeah but I mean like he would be strong and good with a sword almost like he trained for the years he skipped

[upper crater]

luffy is the prime example

[junior cape]

no, it's just aging. There's no training montage or anything. If anything, he'll be LESS coordinated coming out of this, since he'll have to relearn his whole body

Being aged up is a lot different than transforming

especially if it's artificial

[silk rain]

yeah that would come with so much drawbacks

[modest skiff]

LOL I forgot who the guy was who was insisting Robin was gonna learn some kinda rev army shit, but wow it was impossible to predict that.

Theory: When they said Robin's people were devils, they were fucking devils. rofl. It doesn't feel like a serious theory, yet here she is, clearly a demon of sorts.

The "WG were the good guys 800 years ago" theory is starting to make me uncomfortable

[teal nymph]

didn't shinobou say at one point that her df only affects objects ?

[junior cape]

i don't think so. we know it can affect organic tissue, like fruit and wood, so there shouldn't be any limits to what she can manipulate

[teal nymph]

also is the devil form of robin her true body or is it made of flowers and it also looked like as if it were full body haki

[shadow horizon]

The fuck is a ripe-ripe jutsu

[junior cape]

uh Robin's body is human. Like, guaranteed human, since we know her mom was human, and the scholars of Ohara knew she was human.

[hollow torrent]

that shit has to be the awakened version of the fruit right?

[junior cape]

Devil fruit power, but Wano doesn't know about devil fruits, so they call them jutsus or sorcery.

[snow herald]

na i think she just made herself look like a demon

[supple lagoon]

We know she can make wings

[teal nymph]

i mean did she transform into the devil or did she create it by her df

[supple lagoon]

So that infused with Haji is done to give herself the demon appearance

[snow herald]

Her horns are probably a whole bunch of pinkys lol

[hollow torrent]

well if she can make wing she can make pretty much everything right?

[junior cape]

she created it with her powers to look menacing and big

[supple lagoon]

I think she can now make any sort of limb by use of multiplying body parts e.g a tail that's just a lot of hands

[teal nymph]

does this confirm she can use armament haki or is it just aesthetic

[hollow torrent]

prob aesthetic

she would be so broken with armament, it would fit her so good

[runic osprey]

After seeing the sabo flashback i realised that sabo was also one of the few people we seen use the advanced form of armanent haki before wano

[flint gazelle]

Was there even anybody else who used it before Wano?

[runic osprey]

Rayleigh

[fallow plaza]

Hi

[flint gazelle]

Ah yeah.

[teal nymph]

true knowing fishman karate , haki, and possibily dragon claw would be many power ups in one flashback

[flint gazelle]

It's hard to remember to back before you can even recognize it, hah. But Rayleigh makes sense.

[bold gull]

i still don't get how she makes the fangs lol

[snow herald]

pinky toe

[bold gull]

lol a bunch of fingernails

[snow herald]

As far as i can tell she cant make half of body parts, like she cant make half a finger or limb.
so only logical answer is pinky toe

[hollow torrent]

she probably can but no point in that

[supple lagoon]

No it'll probably be teeth

[teal nymph]

has been so long since robin even had any good matchups so good see her get some time to shine

[runic osprey]

Rayleigh is 100% confirmed user of it
Sabo clearly used it too it explains the way he destroyed the arena in dressrosa

[supple lagoon]

Its probably be that she's awakened fruit and can do far more in terms of limbs and such

[hollow torrent]

been waiting for this fight since the matchups started

[flint gazelle]

I understand that 👀

My memory is just shit.

I thought I was in #manga for some reason.

[bold gull]

btw robin vs black maria is definitely a more interesting fight than sanji vs black maria

[teal nymph]

wiki says the following " The Hana Hana no Mi is a Paramecia-type Devil Fruit that allows the user to replicate and sprout pieces of their body from the surface of any object or living thing " so she can create more than just limbs

[supple lagoon]

Yea

[runic osprey]

Robin with proper armanent haki would be so broken

[supple lagoon]

Wait imagine her making giant fucking teeth to bite and crush people

[bold gull]

yes we have seen this a lot like when she cloned herself to spy on orochi or she bloomed only her top to clutch people. i think the composition of body parts only applies on the giant forms

pre timeskip robin was blooming around even eyes

[pure raven]

Mini theory regarding Chapter 1021:
Robin's "demon form" is a type of awakening or a step in awakening her DF, she can now "morph" body parts to be wings, fangs, and horns - and also control her skin's melanin levels to appear darker. This would explain the shading found in the panel and why it does not look like haki when it was drawn other times.

There is one counter-argument to this theory where people say that her wings/fangs/horns are simply tiny hands/other body parts, as far as I am aware, anything robin has done so far where "wings" were present had obvious tiny hands shaping it. It's not obvious in the latest chapter and it's hard to tell if these are just tiny hands or genuine morphing.

[fleet echo]

the idea could be that she knows only the basics. but has yet to master it fully and adapt it to her fighting style with the hana hana no mi (which is exactly what was shown in the flashback) she used the lessons already, but she has some way to go to be able to do the fishman karate+haki+dragon claw with the hana hana no mi

also Koala only taught her one move, not the whole thing

[teal nymph]

jimbae could be a teacher and her sparrimg partner

[modest skiff]

Looking at the shading, I'd definitely agree it isn't just shading, its intended to be black. Feels difficult to think of a reason to control the melanin. What's the motivation? Just to look cool? Perhaps a waste of effort/energy. In that way, it feels more likely she is either transforming in some totally different/complete way (meaning the horns and everything are all one big package deal) or just using haki. Both honestly feel totally possible

[teal nymph]

highly doubt it there could be more in later flashbacks

[bold gull]

well her appearance was actually useful in the fight. both black maria and her subordinates freaked out.

[modest skiff]

I think that had more to do with all the other parts rather than just "oh shit the skin color changed"

[pure raven]

my guess is that robin is shaping herself into the demon the world thinks she is, so she's opting to add wings, horns, fangs, and changing her skin color to be pitch black to fit that shape ; but it really could be anything at this point of time

[modest skiff]

Yeah, I considered that too, but I assumed she wouldn't also change her skin tone. But I suppose having demon-like skin is a part of it so it makes sense.

Part of me is like "dude, this is one piece, if someone turns black it means its haki"

[bold gull]

what i mean is that wing, horns, change of skin along with the demon child story following nico robin can instill a lot of fear to create an opening during a fight

[teal nymph]

so is she just adding wings , horns etc to her own body or is her creating a new figure coz i think this is the first time that creation has talked if it were the case

[modest skiff]

Gotcha, yeah, I could see that. Making someone wonder for a moment if she really is a devil would be really valuable

[modest skiff]

It appeared to be Robin herself transforming

[teal nymph]

so would that mean that she can now alter her body size and shape along with adding new features ?

[pure raven]

that's what it seems like, she's morphing her devil fruit to be any shape now

[light onyx]

Isn’t shinobo devil fruit rotting things ?

[bold gull]

please! it's maturing things

[pure raven]

"ripen" would be a more specific word but pretty close, she can rot things if she wishes to i think

[light onyx]

Ohhh thanks

[silent dock]

and when you put it like that, when a fruit is ripe it’s in perfect condition. it’s the best it will taste, before it starts to rot. so likely momo is gonna be “ripe”.. lol sounds weird but he will be in peak physical shape as an adult

[bold gull]

are we going to see a brook moment too in wano? He already had a huge moment in wci while he was single handedly confronting bm without being one shotted

[hasty ice]

Wait i don't understand

How is shinobo DF can turn Momo into adult????

[hollow torrent]

she can make things mature

or rot if u will

[pure raven]

she has the ripe-ripe fruit which can ripen anything, so she can "ripen" momo into an adult
green_bull, my money is still on apoo vs brook, i gotta see that musical standoff

[hollow torrent]

damn i didnt even thought of that matchup, woudl be pretty rad

[bold gull]

lol we were waiting for this since apoo was introduced as a character but at the moment the chances of it happening are pretty low

[cloud hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/momonosuke-bathroom-nami-one-piece-gif-18555951

[errant nova]

I hope apoo is off screened

[bold gull]

lol brook vs apoo will be a song contest with the numbers as judges

i think brook taking control of the numbers with his music is a possibility. at least they'll have some sort relevance in the arc

[lofty zenith]

Can't Bonnie change Momo back to a child?

[dusky acorn]

Yes, but we don't know if the effect of her power on others is temporary or permanent

[near heron]

Is it possible the robin devil is some sort of awakening?

[ancient vault]

do you see how merry was beneath luffy?? She told them to look down from the towrr so they can see the merry on the ocean. Mfs reaching so hard holy

[strange musk]

I think it’s haki (armament )

[coarse hinge]

Who's watching Ohara One Piece theory possibility?

[near heron]

I hope it is haki. I’ve been dreaming of robin using her df and haki like katakuri

[coarse hinge]

Keep dreaming forever

[near heron]

It might be happening rn we’ll see if all that actually is armament🤷🏽‍♂️

[coarse hinge]

Just wait the confirmed but you went too far hoping her like Katakuri.

[wispy sun]

Dang no way

[plain oyster]

can you send a link to the ohara theory?

[coarse hinge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYzqDJBeI9Q
So many views, up to 2.2m and still going on

[plain oyster]

many thanks

[wraith root]

chapter 1021 ||aight just to confirm something, robin hasnt been in any big fights before this right? not a 1v1 of combat at least, and by the coloring page... did she use armament haki? which makes sense since she trained in the revolucionary army for 2 years, with Sabo and Koala, which do use armament haki without any apparent issue||

[waxen dust]

@dusk sand as soon as I saw Sabo and Koala pop up in the flashback I remembered our conversation we had the other day about your Sabo-Robin theory, especially when he offered to teach her Dragon Claw, my mouth dropped. But remember I mentioned to you it would’ve been more likely she would learn something from Koala like Fishman Karate, I couldn’t believe that happened lmao. The observation haki was on point with that idea 😂😂

[floral oxide]

If Momonosuke gets older after Shinobu touches him, wouldnt they need to get bonney to halt the ageing process?

[supple nimbus]

Maybe Shinobu can ripen something only a tad bit.

We haven't seen the full extent of her powers other than her rotting wood or other materials to create an opening

[woven siren]

Don't you think if Momo ages now he'll be able to join the Strawhats

[teal nymph]

is this legit

[supple nimbus]

As in?

[teal nymph]

the color

[supple nimbus]

It's a fan colouring if that's what you're asking.

[teal nymph]

doesn't it imply armament haki ?

[floral oxide]

in the original version it look more like heavy shadowing

[floral oxide]

yeah but it could give them a reason to go to marygeoise

or what its called

[supple nimbus]

The fan colouring does imply that yes. In the actual manga? No. It hasn't been told as much.

[runic osprey]

It could be awakening too
But in the fan coloring i would say its haki

If its haki i dont think she will be able to keep being in that form for a long time

[bold gull]

robin meeting sabo and koala, becoming besties with them and not mentioning anything with luffy or jinbei is weird

[woven siren]

With Momo becoming an adult he's closer to being the born Ruler

[teal nymph]

she did tell them when sabo was with them at dressrossa

[fast hedge]

I have a small little theory but do you think smoker knows about the will of d because if we go back to chapter 99 where luffy is about to be executed we can see that smoker remarks he smiled

[winter heron]

Caribou will join straw hats and his role will be refrigator for luffy

[fast hedge]

and then he continues to talk about "why did he laugh?"
"he knew he'd be rescued"?
"in that moment he accepted his fate"
"he saw his death accepted it and laughed"

[fast hedge]

NEW BEST ONE PIECE THEORY

[tiny forum]

[tender rose]

looks like hes confused to me

doesnt look like he knows anything about the will of d

[fast hedge]

Do u think he might be suspicious about it

and also he could possibly be apart of sword which means he might know more post time skipp

[tender rose]

ud need more evidence for ur theory

how would he know about the will of d

[fast hedge]

hm true ig but what do u think about dragon having the storm storm fruit

[fast hedge]

i mean there have been many ppl with the inital d who have turned out be to top guns in their own rights

we have garp, luffy, ace, roger and black beard

so he might not know about the will of d or its specifics but he could possibly see the trend that is going on here

[short folio]

Hii

[tender rose]

idk not enough stuff out there for me but i used to think he had dragon dragon fruit

[short folio]

I think we are gonna see momo vs kaido ??

[tender rose]

no.

[short folio]

Why?

[steel needle]

I agree

[short folio]

He's gonna be kaido's dragon 2.0

[fast hedge]

if you re watch the episode where luffy is about to be executed in logue town we see him say something about a stom is coming as well as a gust of wind destroying cannons and artillery on the island

[errant nova]

I can 100% imagine a parallel sunashi scene with Momo, Luffy, Yamato, Marco this time around

[pure raven]

this is why i doubt this happening (ch 1021)

theres no logic behind momo suddenly becoming strong enough to compete with kaido. he'll get a big dragon and that's about it unless vegapunk did something absurd with his df

[errant nova]

You don’t think being a full grown dragon gives him inherent strength though?

[short folio]

[fast hedge]

I agree its gonna be way to many ppl vs kaido we already the 5 supernova and i think its gonna be the straw hats vs luffy plus we have yamato vs kaido and we had the scabbards vs kaido

[pure raven]

sure it will make him stronger, but strong enough to compete with a yonko? big doubt

[visual merlin]

It shouldn't give him anything really, nothing to fight kaido with, but it might

seems more like he'll just lift onigashima though

[errant nova]

Alone, 100% but with Luffy and Yamato I could see him maybe landing the last blow or holding him for luffy to land the last blow

[fast hedge]

It might be like with chopper's monster point where he couldnt control it in pre time skip

[digital lodge]

Ripe ripe fruit

[latent oar]

Guys this actually convinced me

[digital lodge]

[errant nova]

Enough

[latent oar]

Oh just saw above, didnt mean to spam just want to share it

Sorry then

[oblique ermine]

Momo might be strong in dragon form. Objects (which have 0 "strength) are fed zoans and suddenly have some strength in that form

Not that it's very rigorous but I could see 28 y/o momo dragon form being not Kaido-tier but okay

[half hawk]

Was Robin coated with haki

[waxen dust]

yes she was trained by Sabo and Vergo

[half hawk]

[visual merlin]

No other series spoilers please

Yes, 28 and 26

Assuming Momo ages 20 years

[slim moat]

Can someone tell me who started this 5 act theory?

Japanese seem to have 4-act plays too. Why everyone is specific about 5-acts?

[pure raven]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabuki

Nearly every full-length play occupies five acts. The first corresponds to jo, an auspicious and slow opening which introduces the audience to the characters and the plot. The next three acts correspond to ha, where events speed up, culminating almost always in a great moment of drama or tragedy in the third act, and possibly a battle in the second or fourth acts. The final act, corresponding to kyū, is almost always short, providing a quick and satisfying conclusion.[42]
I'm not sure on the reason fans think it's based on this "kabuki" concept, but kabuki is repeated a lot in the fandom, the mention of "full-length play" makes me think there may be differing lengths, so wano could end on act 4

this mention in the wiki makes me look forward to the final act tho, might have a quick ending to start future arcs:
| The final act, corresponding to kyū, is almost always short, providing a quick and satisfying conclusion

[weak flicker]

5 acts? Theory or not, I really hope that isn’t true. I think Wano is great and all, but holy crap is it been going on for awhile now.

Hopefully kyū will refer to the Post-Wano arc.

[slim moat]

I found this one.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kishōtenketsu

This structure used in Chinese, Korean and Japanese plays.

[slim moat]

Tobiroppo are down. Jack will go down in next chapter(?). Only King and Queen are left. Kaido will take few more chapters. I think this act will end in some 11 chapters. After that, we will have the celebration act.

[weak flicker]

Queen is currently facing off with Sanji and ig Zoro is gonna fight King after getting that cure from Chopper. Then of course we got adult(?) Momo flying Luffy back up to Oni just in time to help Yamato. I’d give it 20 chapters at least tbh

[slim moat]

Do you find it strange that we are not getting any back stories for Beast pirates? Only Who'sWho got some backstory.

[cyan berry]

not really

minor villains dont usually get backstory

this was the case for Alabasta and Skypiea

[storm junco]

we got some queen backstory, king will likely get some race explanation

[weak flicker]

Well that was mostly because he was CP-9, which is probably to tie into CP-0 being there. We got a bit for Queen and a hints with King.

But yeah, we need that Kaido backstory NOW.

[slim moat]

Have you seen Marco theorist youtube theory about Wano? He thinks there will be another arc that will focus on Kaido and Beast pirates.

[weak flicker]

Can’t say that I have.

So what do you think Vegapunk has in store for replacing the warlord system? I’m hoping it’s not just some beefed up Pacifistas.

[slim moat]

https://youtu.be/W9fr5cZ1DwI

[slim moat]

Some saying it will be Pacifista v2.0. But It won't be that simple. Pacifista needs some one to monitor it like that sentomaru guy. To replace shichibukai, you need something equal to them or better.

[leaden trench]

https://youtu.be/hbrFFPvxkv8

[pure raven]

is this just a copy paste of the ohara theory?

[weak flicker]

Well it might just be that… But much, much more dangerous than before. I’ve speculated that by using SMILEs, SAD, and MADs, Vegapunk has been able to replicate distilled versions of DFs, kinda like how the Beast Pirates got knockoff Zoans. Vegapunk invented the method of putting DF abilities into objects, so maybe he did the same for his robots aka the Pacifistas. Remember Borsalino’s ability? I think Vegapunk made a knockoff version of his fruit and put them into the Pacifistas, giving them their very similar and iconic laser abilities. They’re identical to one another. So maybe Vegapunk is gonna do the same with Akainu’s and Fujitora’s… Yep, Luffy is screwed…

[slim moat]

More than abilities, it's about role. Shichibukai had specific role. They are supposed to reach the extra mile which Navy can't do it itself.

[weak flicker]

Well I think the WG are looking more for blind obedience nowadays, especially with all of the insubordinate Warlords in the past.

Wait, nevermind, I just remembered that Vegapunk was forming the Super Science Group to replace them, as revealed by Fujitora.

[slim moat]

Yeah.

It's like creating another wing/org which will run parallel to Navy. That's what I think of SSG.

[weak flicker]

Speaking of, is Judge and Germa 66 alive?

[leaden trench]

eh, kinda different

[slim moat]

If some thing bad happened to Germa, jimbe would have told Luffy.

We are so in dark about everything.

[weak flicker]

When the Straw Hats escaped Totto Land, Germa 66 prepared to withdraw. However, before they could retreat, Big Mom arrived at Cacao Island.

[slim moat]

Yeah. But Jimbe escaped with his crew. It's possible for Germa to escape too.

[weak flicker]

Doesn’t mean Germa did. And I think Jinbe would probably tell Sanji and the others about it after the raid. Yeah, it’s vital and pressing information, but they’ve got a yonko to dethrone and emotions can’t get in the way of that.

[slim moat]

Yeah. That too. Also he came on the day of raid. He might know about reverie and other stuff.

[weak flicker]

Y’know, I’d honestly buy (not in a narrative standpoint), that Sabo was killed at the Reverie if he was confronted by Rob Lucci and Kaku.

[slim moat]

you mean Sabo?

[cyan berry]

...you mean sabo?

[weak flicker]

I hate autocorrect so damn much.

[runic osprey]

They clashed with the admirals

[bitter kraken]

I wager sabo could tank lucci and Kaku

Also wondering what adult momo will look like lol that old ninja girl said he will still have the mind of a child so basically he’ll be a luffy or oden

[weary cliff]

I hope he looks goofy as hell. We don't need the fans simping for an 8 year old

[fading thorn]

lets go robin has CoA

[burnt bridge]

I gotta say demonic Robin was never something I had imagined but I'm all for it!

[cyan berry]

no she does not probability

that's just the shading

the fan coloring at the end gave her haki for some reason

but she doesn't have it

[fading thorn]

it wouldnt make sense for her to not have CoA tho. but alright i guess

[burnt bridge]

Seems pretty basic at this point imho, why couldn't she have it?

[slim moat]

You guys really need to watch that Marco Theorist video about Wano Arc. It has so much material for theory discussion.

Acc. to him, Kaido has another island. It's his favourite. Scotch gaurds that Island. Caribou cover story happened on that island. It's metal themed island. Even trees are metal.

[sand sail]

Is that his theory? That's just kind of a stated fact from the series, where's the theory bit?

[slim moat]

It's theory about Wano poneglyph.

[sand sail]

Oh, the one where Kaido hid the poneglyph on Scotch's island instead?

[slim moat]

Brook and Law searched both Orichi's place and Onigashima, they couldn't find it. So the theorist saying it will be on Kaido's island.

[grim stone]

link it pls - just drop it here

[slim moat]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9fr5cZ1DwI

[grim stone]

i also watched King of Lightning's Gomu Gomu theory that felt really grounded and made sense.

regarding Gomu important for WG for gigantification experiments.

[slim moat]

Share the link pls.

[gloomy dirge]

The moon is where Clima Tact, Automatas, all the races and They sacraficed someone

[cyan berry]

Usopp made the clima tact on the Merry

[gloomy dirge]

Nah

I wish I could send images

[cyan berry]

!pics @gloomy dirge

[lone hedge]

Get a role (pirate/revo/marine/civilian) in #old-role-info to be able to post pictures!

[gloomy dirge]

!pica

[grim stone]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DkjTK8QPXg

[gloomy dirge]

!pics

[lone hedge]

Get a role (pirate/revo/marine/civilian) in #old-role-info to be able to post pictures!

[cyan berry]

but yeah no we literally know that Usopp made the clima tact when they were going to Alabasta

[grim stone]

kinda funny how recent BEST titled theories actually made really good sense and well put too

[cyan berry]

!denieslobby

[lone hedge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/833428729266438194/872498220708819035/Screenshot_20210804-171555.jpg

[gloomy dirge]

Things to pay attention to is Thunder rod, The mayan compass, The long ears, The fish helmet and having rubber balloons

[cyan berry]

what thunder rod

those are spears

and again

we literally already know that Usopp is the one who made the Clima Tact

unless you're implying that it somehow fell from the moon onto their ship

[gloomy dirge]

I don't know about anyone else but This side story revealed a lot more about the one piece even more than most of the actual arcs.

I'm saying the technology existed before usopp

[cyan berry]

then that makes it a different thing

we know Usopp invented the Clima Tact

[gloomy dirge]

The one with the long ears is holding something that resembles a lighting rod and we already know the soace pirates had electric weapons.

[cyan berry]

you mean Enel???

[gloomy dirge]

Nope

[grizzled fog]

He means the guy on the very left youss

[gloomy dirge]

Okay so I think that not only was eneru a descendant of the moon people but so were all the other races

Each one representing a category

[slim moat]

Iirc, Usopp created gag weapon. It doesn't do anything except producing bubbles. Nami using her superior weather knowledge made the gag weapon into something useful.

[grizzled fog]

We already know that Enel is one of the races that came from the moon

[gloomy dirge]

Yes but I think Minks and Fishman

[grizzled fog]

Nah it had actual combat applications

[gloomy dirge]

Also came from the moon

[rare kraken]

Okay so hear me out guys.. Luffy and the gang end up barely beating Kaido and his commanders, everyone is hurt but recovering and they go full banquet mode. This is when CP:0 kicks in. Theyve been setting up tracks in, monitoring the battle, and are now confident there is no one left in Wano that can stand up to the might of the marines. So they call the World Govt, and the marine invasion of wano begins. The World Govt now has access to seastone manufacturing and the weapons factories that Kaido has set up..

[gloomy dirge]

I believe it

[rare kraken]

This could give us an in for the Shanks moment that Oda spoke about, maybe this is what finally makes him step in?

[slim moat]

Read chapter 191.

[cyan berry]

that looks more like a mace if you ask me

[gloomy dirge]

Anyway about why I think minks are a descandant of the moon, Think about what the moon allows them to do and the electricity they can use.

[grizzled fog]

Sure thing

[gloomy dirge]

As we saw the whole city was powered through electricity

[grizzled fog]

Usopp literally designed a weapon lol. That’s what nami asked him to do

[gloomy dirge]

This is also why Eneru is important because of his electric advantages he has, which has a deeper meaning because he brought back the electricity where it originated

[slim moat]

Okay. He wrote the instructions on reverse side. You are right

[gloomy dirge]

Yeah but Weatheria already knew about that technology

[cyan berry]

no they didnt

[cyan berry]

yes, weather ball

[gloomy dirge]

The weather balls are literally what usopp replicated

[cyan berry]

a different thing from the heat and cool balls the clima tact has

[gloomy dirge]

Are they different really didn't know that my bad.

[cyan berry]

Nami manages to upgrade her abilities during the timeskip because she figured how these weather balls worked

[gloomy dirge]

How the weather balls were essentially the thong usopp replicated but stronger

I thought*

[modest skiff]

this dude memes way too hard. can't watch lol.

[slim moat]

It's like listening to some podcast. Very hard to follow it.

[ancient vault]

U dont watch KoL for serious stuff. You watch him for funny reactions and that only

But even then Khan is better

[grim stone]

yeah, i agree. Only a few highlights are worth taking note of.

• in short from KoL's Gomu Theory video

Similar to how Chopper's new extended 30 min giant form led to the side effect of wrinkled old baby form thanks to Ceasar
We also saw Luffy's gear 3 causing similar but only shrinking and loss of haki (no age effect)
His recent techniques don't show him blowing air into his limbs
that filler part for the film Z - that giant girl used Luffy's body to expand from within and create Giant Luffy - although this was filler its being accounted for a possibility with Gomu Gomu

The fruit would in general aid in an easier way for the gigantification process - Vegapunk already seems to have sequenced some ability from Kizaru's fruit into his Pacifista.

Gomu could be important in that sense for it to be necessary for a successful Gigantification experiment for the WG - rather than Gomu Gomu being a chosen one's fruit.

[slim moat]

Didn't he complete that research very recently? Pacifistas are recent thing. Gomu Gomu might not be that useful at that early stage.

[gloomy dirge]

It's all about the Lineage Factor.

[grim stone]

He completed it recently, yes. But we don't know how long has it been since he was at it. We also see Queen's cyborg experiments on himself. So MADS was into this thing for longer than we would know.

Giants being one of those, given Pacifistas are also big

[gloomy dirge]

Gomu is probably important due to it's genetic code rather then the abilities it has because the only reason the Gomu Gomu is a beast in combat is because of Luffy. Though I have no clue why he Can do gear 4th and create heat.

[kind hearth]

I do not know if someone has already thought of the following: The dragons that we saw in Punk Hazard are not only Vegapunk's attempt to replicate dragons but the first prototypes of the artificial Zoan that Momo now has. I mean, these dragons are actually users of defective artificial Zoan created by Vegapunk, but like the SMILE they cannot return to their full human form and since the power of the fruit is so unstable, it affects the intelligence of the test subject just like Awakened Impel Down users.
This gives us to understand some things
1- Vegapunk managed to replicate Kaido's Uo Uo, the most powerful zoan of the most dangerous Emperor currently (Speaking of his reward), a fruit that Momo now has and that we will soon see in an adult state.
2-If Vegapunk managed to replicate it once, who says he can't do it again? Perhaps we are before the true definitive weapon of the Government created by the doctor: a resistant suuperrr draconic army of Pacifists along with those already known, with the ability of Kizaru's Pika Pika.
Undoubtedly the most powerful army of all One piece worthy of being the enemy to win in the final battle

Clarification of SMILE and Momo fruit
-The SMILEs were created en masse by Cesar using the SAD and the animal lineage factor
-Momo's artificial fruit was created by Vegapunk and everything points to him taking the lineage factor from Kaido himself

translation by google translate

[grim stone]

Luffy's flame hasn't been explained yet. Joy Boy's theories made a video on Soul Theory where he mentioned that Soul in One Piece plays a role in the backseat, never too in our faces so not noticeable but its there throughout.

[gloomy dirge]

Oh such as a Boats Soul

And how a fruit can give an inanimate object a soul as well.

@kind hearth I think Vegapunk made an exact replica of the fruit but deemed it as Defective so the Government wouldn't steal it

Because if you remember the only reason he works for the Government was so that he didn't loose his knowledge or be killed off.

While Judge ran away and took some of the Lineage Factor research for himself

[grim stone]

https://youtu.be/kCB483d19hY

[gloomy dirge]

If you look at the Chances of obtaining a smile if you have 5,000 people and all of them eat a Smile only two or less actually get a zoan

[grim stone]

this adds a good view on souls

can't seem to find the part where he talked about Red Hawk / Diable Jamble being related to 'burning soul'

[gloomy dirge]

I mean Sanji could also just have a part of the Lineage Factor in him that was very Miniscule but because of his own Willpower/Soul he was able to bring it out while Keeping his emotions.

[grim stone]

but yeah, even when Law switches people, the fruit stays with the original body

[gloomy dirge]

It must relate to his burning passion for cooking and women lol

[grim stone]

Ah, that kinda makes sense now

i forgot Sanji isn't an average human

[gloomy dirge]

Yeah which is a classic oda move

People were upset at Sanji losing during Black Maria but, we're stoked when he fought Queen

[grim stone]

yes

[gloomy dirge]

But we haven't even begun to scratch the surface of the Wings of the pirate king.

Maybe the Soul of Nika resides in the gomu which is why Luffy was able to create Gear 4 and Red hawk?

Similar to how there's a soul in ope that grants the user immortality at the cost of the users life.

I think Oda has been hinting to Nika residing inside luffy in someway ever since the Skypeian Arc, Ace's mera, and how he somehow manages to survive life threatening situations like at the cost of his own life span.

[slim moat]

It doesn't work like that. Most of the soul theories are made up by fans. Unless Oda himself confirms it, we shouldn't base our theories on another theory.

[gloomy dirge]

That's true but we already know that Souls are used to connect worlds

Brook can use the Power of the Underworld, Kage can manipulate corpses with the power of ones Shadow/Soul and finally Big Mom can create Creatures using shards who can exist even if the USer goes unconcious

[grim stone]

we dont know how, but souls play an integral role in the world

even shadows from thriller bark

[gloomy dirge]

So having the Soul playing a vital role just makes sense

Even though the body of Ryuma for instance was just an empty shell somehow the original soul still retained inside of it

[slim moat]

Where? Only big mom and brook used soul based powers. Vegapunk is more into blue print stuff.

[ancient vault]

what. Its 1 out of 10

[gloomy dirge]

Nah it's not one out 10 for a Mythical or Normal zoan

[ancient vault]

Werent u just talking about smiles?

[gloomy dirge]

90% of the smiles get the Laughter one

[ancient vault]

Smiles cant be mythical

Nor can they be "normal zoan"

[grim stone]

Momo's fruit was deemed "broken"

[ancient vault]

Momos fruit is not a smile

[grim stone]

agreed

[gloomy dirge]

Yeah

[ancient vault]

Smiles are created by Caesar and completely seperate from VPs creation

at most 500 out of the 5000 would end up with smile powers

[grim stone]

oh yes, it was with animals extracted into the sludge that was used for the trees

we could call them broken zoans or forever hybrids

[gloomy dirge]

Well actually some of them get zoans they can turn on/off

[ancient vault]

Who?

[gloomy dirge]

The smile users have a chance to be able to get a Mastery Smile

Where they can turn the transformation on/off but they can't have all the forms a normal zoan user can have

[ancient vault]

Thats just u headcanoning. Ive never heard any of that in the manga

[gloomy dirge]

That's not my head canon

[waxen dust]

@ancient vault dude I cannot believe I called Robin with fishmen karate and even giving her a flashback with Koala teaching her.

[ancient vault]

where r u getting that from then

[ancient vault]

Wiki

[gloomy dirge]

It's shown in the Manga as well

[ancient vault]

I want a manga panel then

[gloomy dirge]

Alright one sec

[ancient vault]

I never heard of a "Mastery Smile"

[lapis prairie]

Same

[ancient vault]

the based white name is back

[lapis prairie]

That's not the same thing

[ancient vault]

Cant snakes extend their neck themselves?

[lapis prairie]

We don't see her bottom at the beginning

[ancient vault]

get urself a role my guy

[lapis prairie]

Dude, I think BB took Moria

[waxen dust]

that school teacher is hot and rightfully so

[gloomy dirge]

You can clearly see her Mouth changes while in the Transformation

[lapis prairie]

A role?

[ancient vault]

!pics

[lone hedge]

Get a role (pirate/revo/marine/civilian) in #old-role-info to be able to post pictures!

[gloomy dirge]

The other one is the Sheeps head dude

[lapis prairie]

I mean, her fangs come out, but maybe she just opens her mouth more

[gloomy dirge]

Who can keep growing back horns when using them or turn them off

[lapis prairie]

Can't trust the wikis, not after the juko juko thing

[waxen dust]

no to sound rude, but most of your takes are bad. You should reread some things in the manga then revaluate your arguments because they’re not even tangible ideas and you can’t firmly support anything because it’s all getting debunked.

[gloomy dirge]

That's a Smile User though is it not???

If not then I apologize but if he is then that means there's some with the ability to turn them on/off

[lapis prairie]

I think that's the way his ability works

[sacred bobcat]

Who got the link for chapter 1022

[cyan berry]

you mean 1021?

just check #announcements

[sacred bobcat]

Yeah and thank you !

Solid chapter and happy to see Robin get her due shine

[gloomy dirge]

Yeah okay nvm, There's not enough information on the three people who can transform and they were the first two introduced so it must mean Oda either had them as Elite Gifters or Since they were the first ones he was probably gonna give all of them On/off transformations in the beast pirates but decided to make them Permanent.

[lapis prairie]

I was thinking that too

[sacred bobcat]

But I’m still waiting to see Zoro....

[lapis prairie]

Wano is cooler if they don't turn on/off

[ancient vault]

Hiyori zoro next chapter

[gloomy dirge]

What do you guys think Zunisha did to get punished by the Kozuki clan?

[lapis prairie]

Dude, I'm hoping Zoro's eye gets fixed. Probably a stupid pipe dream, but I feel like he'd be better with depth perception

[sacred bobcat]

So the treatment zoro is getting is going to put him at full health again right? But after it wears off it’s double the pain and trauma

[gloomy dirge]

Zoro can still see with that eye

[lapis prairie]

What

[gloomy dirge]

He's opened it before

[sacred bobcat]

I think not having that eye is helping with his Observation Haki like fujitora unless it’s a sharingan under there lol

[lapis prairie]

WHAT. When?

[visual merlin]

Honestly, it probably isn't changing anything for him lol

[lapis prairie]

Probably not, but like a mysterious potion that heals...

[slim moat]

He didn't. It was a mistake by animator

[visual merlin]

lacking that eye will probably never be an issue or good thing for him

[sacred bobcat]

No way Oda doesn’t do a grand revelation for that eye LOL

But hoping zoro goes back on the roof

[ancient vault]

didnt transport a tribe of ppl?

[lapis prairie]

No, he's got observation haki that supports him regardless, but I don't know, I like the way Releigh looks with his open cut eye

[visual merlin]

not this again

[gloomy dirge]

No wait that's the wrong one

[lapis prairie]

That looks legit...

[visual merlin]

it isn't

[gloomy dirge]

It was during Dressrosa in the anime but that was probably an animation error

[sacred bobcat]

Gotta be fan made if not what chapter

[gloomy dirge]

1009 but I'm pretty sure that one is fake

[full heart]

Usopp gets killed by van auger, just riddled with bullets, half his head blown off. Before he gets killed he fires a magic seed in the air called Yggsrasil which goes into space. It immediately unravels and grows down, piercing his corpse. It's like a massive tree that immediately forms when it hits the ground. Usopp becomes a half plant half person, bones showing. He morphs with the tree to very top and snipes down van auger, and then snipes for the rest of the fight while fused with the tree. Near the end he gets sucked back into the tree and can't escape, until he unlocks conquerors haki

[sacred bobcat]

Eye (😉) am open to hearing about his eye opening but I don’t think he ever has

[visual merlin]

there's no eye. All the reasons it would make no sense aside, this is the actual panel

the other was a fan scan

[dense hound]

Does robin have ryuo/armament haki

[visual merlin]

nah

[flat tree]

i’m waiting for sanjis moment

[gloomy dirge]

It is weird that Oda blocks it though

[sacred bobcat]

I feel like most of the straw hat has Atleast observation haki at this point

[visual merlin]

blocks what?

[visual merlin]

that's not blocking it

text covers things all the time

[sacred bobcat]

That outfit zoro had for dress Rosa was bad assssssss

[gloomy dirge]

Wait no it is real

[sacred bobcat]

Zoro always gets cool points

[visual merlin]

also, doesn't matter since zoro doesn't have an open eye there, so there's no point in showing it all the time

[gloomy dirge]

This isn't editted

[visual merlin]

again, fan scan

[ancient vault]

thats TCB im pretty sure

[visual merlin]

this is official

(ignoring all reasons this would make no sense anyway)

[waxen dust]

this dude scrambling to be a theorist, but oof 0/3 so far

[visual merlin]

luffy zoro sanji jinbe Usopp, they have it

[sacred bobcat]

If zoro had opened his eyes I’m pretty sure the whole fan base would’ve noticed not gonna lie

[grim stone]

his eyes are cut, closed. I don't see any difference here

[visual merlin]

In the other scan, people see what they think looks like an eye

[sharp pecan]

Zoro has the rinnegan under his left eye

[visual merlin]

but in the official there's nothing like that anyway

[grim stone]

also, Zoro's eye opening would have gotten 10 videos from youtubers

[waxen dust]

his eyebrow and scar form an X, so that must be where Laugh Tale is located

[sacred bobcat]

So Zoro, Luffy and Oden final fight against kaido?

[sharp pecan]

oden?

[visual merlin]

what

[modest skiff]

they mean yamato

[grim stone]

there was this Reverie of Youtubers recenlty that i watched, hella long but heard it in parts. 10hrs lmao

[sacred bobcat]

I call him Oden at this point lol

[waxen dust]

No Oden used a time machine

[visual merlin]

Pretty confusing, lol

[grim stone]

Momo's time to be mini Oden here

[sacred bobcat]

I mean even kaido call him that right last chapter?

[visual merlin]

anyway, no it'll more likely be just luffy, or maybe the momotaro theory will come true

Yamato will probably drop out and zoro has taken himself out of the kaido fight

[visual merlin]

no, he says Yamato is someone claiming to be oden

[sacred bobcat]

I’m clinging on to hope that zoro goes back up top if his treatment really does bring him back to 100 percent for a a short period

[sharp pecan]

no not zoro and yamato just one of the two. I believe in the theory about the pheasant tiger and monkey teaming up against the dragon. I believe that Aokiji will come to Wano (Blue Pheasant) and team up with either yamato, zoro, or lucci (CP0), and luffy (Monkey) to fight Kaido.

[sacred bobcat]

If not Atleast have him taking out king but there’s so much of wano left I feel like

[sharp pecan]

to add on i think it is more likely to be lucci or yamato (tiger).

[slim moat]

Why zoro goes to roof top again?

[modest skiff]

Everyone hates it, but I don't care: Momo asking to be made into an adult shows incredible strength and commitment. Momo will continue to rise to the challenge of the situation. Orochi will try to kill Momo. Kaido, impressed by Momo's courage and strength, saves Momo's life from Orochi. After Kaido unequivocally saves Momo's life, everyone struggles with the idea of directly killing Kaido

[waxen dust]

oh boy...it hasn’t even been a full day and we already have crackhead theories, plus it’s a break week. This is gonna be a long wait....

[gloomy dirge]

Why do you have to ruin the fun

[modest skiff]

I will defend my right to be a crack head until the end of time

[sacred bobcat]

But if he takes out king wtf is Marco gonna do, cause Sanji already fighting queen. And I don’t think king is that strong that it requires both zoro and Marco. Unless Marco goes to rooftop

[gloomy dirge]

Done Piece

[sharp pecan]

i like this but it wont happen. Even after becoming an adult he will be fodder compared to luffy and kaido.

[waxen dust]

https://tenor.com/view/drugs-are-bad-drugs-mkay-south-park-gif-4499796

[sacred bobcat]

I put 5000 on zoro going back up top. No way zoro goes back on his word when he said he wants to take down kaido

But then again I’m a zorotard

[gloomy dirge]

I don't want Luffy to be the one who takes down Kaido so badly.

[modest skiff]

Kaido made a really clear effort to understand Momo and to give him a chance to be impressive. He ultimately dropped him the same way he dropped Luffy. I still think Kaido is hoping to be impressed

[sharp pecan]

i want an admiral to come to wano. So many things will be answered. Admirals power levels. If aokiji comes we can see what his association with BB is etc

kizaru or aokiji preferably

[slim moat]

Luffy is MC, you know? MCs take down boss villians

[gloomy dirge]

Kaido longs for a challenge for sure and ever since he first met Momo he was disappointed. So this is gonna be all about how Momo redeems himself and matures

[sharp pecan]

hes not strong enough rn

[slim moat]

And zoro is?

[sacred bobcat]

None of them are strong enough to take down kaido 1v1, Oda has been saying that for the longest

[sharp pecan]

no he sint either

[gloomy dirge]

I really want some Juicy Kaido backstory.

[sacred bobcat]

It’s gonna take a group effort to take down kaido and big mom is still running around

[sharp pecan]

none of the strawhats can beat kaido.

[gloomy dirge]

At the most they can Restrain Kaido

[slim moat]

Luffy gonna beat kaido. Lol. What's the point of story?

[sacred bobcat]

Nah if it’s 1v4 or 1v3 they can def take down kaido

But I better not see some bullshit 1v1 luffy knocking out kaido

[sharp pecan]

an admiral or another yonko has to help. If big mom turn on kaido and they start fighting each other then whoever wins that fight between kaido and big mom will be gassed and then be able to be beaten by a strawhat wether that be zoro or luffy.

[gloomy dirge]

You think the Cipher Pol will intervene?

[sharp pecan]

the only problem with this is that a fight between big mom and kaido will last days upon days

[visual merlin]

"whether that be zoro or luffy"

[sacred bobcat]

I thot Cp0 was there for who’s who

[visual merlin]

why is zoro even an option lmao

[grizzled fog]

Lol no in his current condition Big mom just destroys kaido, and that’s just not happening

[sharp pecan]

yes I think lucci along with aokiji will team up with luffy to beat kaido

[gloomy dirge]

Big Mom will probably off Kaido

[slim moat]

Please tell me this is not worstgen discord channel.

I like zoro. But this is not about zoro

[sharp pecan]

pheasant + tiger + monkey vs dragon. Aokiji + Lucci + Luffy vs Big boy Kaido

[waxen dust]

???

[sharp pecan]

its a thing in Japanese mythology.

[sacred bobcat]

No fucking way zoro doesn’t go back up top I’m sorry

[sharp pecan]

Zoro can say whatever he wants he gets curb stomped by kaido