manga-theories

[reef grotto]

let's just be real, luffy literally got a x5 boost with gear 2, wtf are we even talking about

[pure raven]

who really cares - plot armour was gonna happen anyway

[reef grotto]

I'm done

[queen arrow]

oh wow, it's almost like the system that measures physical strength with numbers sucks

[reef grotto]

still, crocodile is a power scaling plothole as much as gear 2 is

[queen arrow]

oh wow, it's almost like his fighting style and strengths aren't dependant on physical strength

[lapis prairie]

So Marco is going to join Luffy's fleet?

[grizzled fog]

Unlikely

[lapis prairie]

Why?

At the very least, he will operate under Luffy's banner

[pure raven]

No one else joins the fleet

[lapis prairie]

Based on what?

[grizzled fog]

The fleet is most likely gonna remain the same size, makes sense based on that scene in dressrosa, bit more impactful that way too honestly. And Marco wants to retire, poor dude has now been through like three wars, he wasn’t even gonna come to wano really, after this he light just go back to the village snd take a seat

[reef grotto]

marco's too important to join imo

[queen arrow]

we already have 5656 members in the fleet

[reef grotto]

we do?

[queen arrow]

pretty sure we do yeah

[reef grotto]

I thought it was just 5600

[lapis prairie]

What if we jump to 6565? There are a lot of gifters, smiles, and waiters who need a place to go after Kaido's downfall who have already joined the fight on their side

[reef grotto]

the wiki says we're at 5640

[pure raven]

Hope the fleet just remain these chads from that day

[queen arrow]

we aren't going to have the "mogu mogu"

the fleet has 5600 something members because it's Luffy's number

[lapis prairie]

The main reason I think it'll happen is because of the meeting of Shanks and WB. Shanks tries to recruit Marco (who at the time didn't have any identifying features). Luffy takes out Kaido and BM to show his strength, but successfully recruiting Marco shows Shanks that Luffy has surpassed him in a different and important way.

Read the scene, Shanks trying to recruit Marco is so out of place.

[queen arrow]

is it?

[lapis prairie]

Yeah.

[queen arrow]

emperors wanting someone from someone else's crew is not that out of place

[lapis prairie]

Asking one of the heads of an opposing force, in front of their boss, when you're trying to get something MASSIVELY important out of that boss, is a bad move.

[queen arrow]

Big Mom did the same with King and it really didn't bother anyone

they just said no and they moved on from it

[lapis prairie]

Big Mom wasn't there on a diplomatic mission

[cedar sinew]

That scene was just a jab/comedic/non serious moment

[queen arrow]

she already had said she wanted to team up with Kaido over snail

[cedar sinew]

It was more of a banter

Shanks is not stupid enough to think one of Wb’s commanders would join on command

[grizzled fog]

If anything it broke the tension and put them at ease lol. Especially since that came right after shanks knocking out dozens of their men just walking aboard

[queen arrow]

isn't Marco older than Shanks too

[grizzled fog]

I think so yea lol

[craggy pumice]

Yep 6 years older

[lapis prairie]

Why would age matter? Franky is older than Luffy, as is Robin. --- It's fine to think his fleet won't get bigger, but at the end of this saga there will be an army of displaced pirates who have already joined Luffy's side - so unless a different pirate takes them, they're joining Luffy - Also, Tama is definitely on Luffy's side,and we don't know how long her fruit lasts, so they may be indefinitely tied to Luffy's service. (I think they'll have their own ship under Luffy's fleet with Tama at the helm, but that's anther theory which I'm sure would piss off Tama stans [whyever they exist]). --- Marco is helping people that WB protected, the last time we saw a former WB protected place, Luffy came to put his own name on it. Marco likes Luffy, and if Marco wants to do good in this world, and decides after this fight that Luffy will become Pirate King, (which looks likely) why wouldn't he operate under the SH banner? What disadvantage would there be?

[queen arrow]

the age just adds to it being funny

[reef grotto]

there's just no way tama joins given the 29 theory

[lapis prairie]

lmao what's Luffy's and Jimbe's age diff

I said under the fleet for Tama

[agile tangle]

Wait when was this?

[modest skiff]

29 theory..?

[weary cliff]

The devil fruit for the last straw hat has to have a phonetic reading that understood as "9-2" or "2-9" to fit the pattern

[reef grotto]

the theory that the next devil fruit straw hat should have a DF whose syllables make 29 in some way in japanese

[agile tangle]

Like the chapter

[reef grotto]

no, 9-2 is not acceptable because it wouldn't make san ni go

[modest skiff]

My theories around who joins the SHs are a lot more wild and less accepted than most other people's because I watched all of One Piece in like 4 months

So tons and tons of times, when I was 100% sure something would happen, Oda would manage to make it 200x more insane.

[weary cliff]

You'll have to elaborate

[reef grotto]

if you sum up the numbers you get from gomu, hito, hana and yomi you get a number that, added to 29, gives you 325 (I think), which is pronounced "san ni go" = "sunny go"

[modest skiff]

So for me, I will be honest, I am not attributing a 0% chance to Kaido directly joining the crew after developing a man-crush on Luffy. It still feels possible for me. His personality and general demeanor really make me think Kaido could walk away from his entire empire if he met someone who beat the shit out of him

[lapis prairie]

Chapter 434. I was wrong about Marco having no discernible features, that was a product of the anime

[weary cliff]

Welp I'm convinced

[lapis prairie]

I fucking love that so much

[agile tangle]

Oh

[lapis prairie]

I don’t think it’ll happen, but I vibe with it like crazy

[agile tangle]

What if Marco dies

[lapis prairie]

Oh. I guess this is the place where sea stone is mined and smithed…

[modest skiff]

I am kind of in the same boat. It doesn't feel likely, but it also feels almost guaranteed. I dunno, I'm so lost in my own thoughts. I legitimately think Kaido would become submissive to Luffy if Luffy really does land some kinda knock out punch. Like if Luffy hits Kaido in the way we see in the anime intro, I think Kaido will be subservient to Luffy, at the very VERY least.

[reef grotto]

normalize telling kaido he looks submissive and breedable

[modest skiff]

LMAO yes exactly. And I honestly think Luffy will hate it. I see it as Kaido being a desperate teenager wanting Luffy to fight him and Luffy always being like "shut up I already won, you are annoying" and then Kaido crying in the corner like "why won't Luffy notice me"

[weary cliff]

I only buy this if Kaido flashback reveals he's a secret joyboy stan

[reef grotto]

!headcannon

[lone hedge]

TYPO IN THE CHAT, GET THEIR ASS

[reef grotto]

!headcanon

[lone hedge]

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/onepiece/images/0/05/Franky_Gun_Hair.png/revision/latest?cb=20150206010613

[modest skiff]

So here is another reason I think this actually happens: I think Kaido only went to Wano because he learned about Joyboy's connection to Wano. And some other thing told him Joyboy is amazingly strong and perhaps the strongest. So I truly think Kaido's entire existence is based around fighting (and losing to) Joyboy.

[lapis prairie]

I mean, maybe lmfao

[modest skiff]

That's why Kaido was so disappointed when he tossed Luffy into the ocean. Look earlier in the fight. Kaido was hard as a rock at certain moments. Dude was living his best life right until he realized Luffy was weak

I really think this entirrrrrrre Wano thing for Kaido is only for the sake of being in Joyboy's way. He wanted to position himself in a way that Joyboy would need to fight him

[weary cliff]

Yeah I think there's not a terrible chance something like that shakes out. I would rather see BM kill him, but either would be sufficiently shocking

[lapis prairie]

It’ll be interesting to see when we go with his flashback. With BM we went to her childhood, Doffy too

[modest skiff]

In my ideal world, Kaido asks Luffy to fight the same way Brook asks to see women's panties. Pathetic, groveling, utterly subservient

(after Luffy GGs him in Wano)

[dense wing]

Kaido will be dead

[modest skiff]

I hope not, waste of a good character

[dense wing]

The goal of the raid is to kill Kaido btw

[modest skiff]

The entire practice of killing characters is overvalued in modern fiction. Oda doesn't need to rely on character deaths strung about a storyline

[weary cliff]

They have always been after his head. Still feels like the point of act 1 is that something has to happen to him. He needs to go away to make things better

[sturdy hawk]

I agree, but kaido was set up to die, that's his goal, doubt he gets it fully but I think it's a better conclusion for him

[modest skiff]

I'm not disagreeing it is heavily implied. I'm looking at how other arcs looked in the beginning, and how they ended, and saying "LOL fuck if I know what'll happen??? whatever, I hope Kaido joins"

I don't want Yamato and Momo. I want Kaido and Momo and I want the dynamic that plays out from them sharing a captain

Yamato should stay behind and be some form of training for the Wano army to bring them back up to par

[lapis prairie]

I feel like that maybe since Kaido killed his father they can’t be together

Also, doesn’t Momo have to stay?

[weary cliff]

Momo has a destiny. That could easily involve him traveling, but I wouldn't classify him as nakama more than he has been since PH

[modest skiff]

This is the development I want to watch

[true flame]

maybe doffy and kaido got along because of that similarity

[modest skiff]

Doffy wants the entire CD system to be a pile of embers. Kaido wants to be directly in the way of the guy who takes out the CDs. I think there is great overlap in their interests

[rain crag]

So

What do you guys think will happen in 1019 lol

[grizzled fog]

The meat of it will be either Sasaki or Maria’s fight I’m guessing, the rest might be a check in elsewhere. Possibly live floor with queen/Sanji or zoro, or maybe we’ll even see luffy

[dense wing]

Fights

I doubt Sanji vs Queen gets more development before going back to Sasaki

Or Maria

Or the beginning of 1019 is Jinbei ending WW

And moving on

[weary cliff]

I reckon I'll see by the time I wake up. I'll go out on a limb and say Pero does something. Though most likely Maria or Sasaki fight

[high narwhal]

WW is not gonna get beaten this early imo

[weary cliff]

Wouldn't be surprised if last week was the finisher

[grizzled fog]

I think he is beaten, but I think he’s not actually gonna be gravely injured. So he’s gonna get back up later and have some role to play in the end of the raid

[dense wing]

It’s not early by any means LOL

The raid is closer to the ending than the start

[rain crag]

I think we get yamato vs kaido

[high narwhal]

I think he has something up his sleeve

[dense wing]

We might end with Yamato transforming

Something like that

[high narwhal]

But let's see

[dense wing]

Or mid chapter a panel of her transforming then cut away

[rain crag]

Prolly not

[high narwhal]

Too early for Yamato transformation

[dense wing]

I think WW is more likely to be done than not, he got parts of two chapters for his fight

[rain crag]

[dense wing]

Yamato is fighting the world’s strongest creature, she should transform

Very soon

[grizzled fog]

He’s done with his fight with jinbe. But not necessarily done overall

[dense wing]

^

CP-0 killing WW at the end of raid

[grizzled fog]

[high narwhal]

I am excited for sanji vs queen

[dense wing]

Or trying to kill him but he’s saved by his new captain, Kidd

[high narwhal]

Gonna be epic

Not sure where zoro's gonna go

[modest skiff]

That certainly felt like a finisher. I think WW will be able to talk and stuff but Jinbei basically destroyed him

[pure raven]

honestly speaking

Law and Kid are probably the best people to fight against Big Mom

[covert hazel]

I wish Kidd could have been the one to kill Kaido

[pure raven]

Idk how else to say this cause like

Kidd under every current circumstance would be absolutely murdered by Kaido

[grizzled fog]

No one is saying he should’ve killed him one on one. Quite obviously

Literally everyone in onigashima but big mom gets “absolutely murdered by kaido”

[coral sorrel]

Haha funny

[somber sphinx]

Is CP0 working with Kaido or only with Orochi? Cos it ties in with why KAIDO was heading to marineford, hmmmm.

[grizzled fog]

They were doing business with orochi, that’s it. Definitely aren’t in league with kaido

[steep vigil]

shanks might be a god

well at least to the people of elbaf

[pure raven]

Guys, would you think there is a possibility Shanks will end up being the last boss in the manga🤔 ? I mean he appear on first chapter and usually the first chapter is usually where manga introduces the main heroes and villians 😅

[steep vigil]

im very sure shanks will die to blackbeard rather than become a villain, since the first person to take a major villain seriously always dies

and itd be like a "i warned you" to the world gov

[pure raven]

Idk he may just notice bb as the person who will interfere in his evil plan🤔

[hearty mountain]

Shanks dying is predictable that I don't think oda is even going to do it

[junior cape]

Strawhats and Red-Hairs are gonna have a nice get together, followed by a showdown to see who's better

[pure raven]

I dont see the straw hats dying

[junior cape]

Culminating in God Usopp surprising everyone by beating Shanks with his pinky finger!

[pure raven]

I see Luffy giving shanks his straw hat and then getting the real big straw hat

[keen onyx]

S

[bronze otter]

break next week :(

[robust sky]

shit

[chilly helm]

Ten bucks on Yamato's fruit being the Hito Hito no Mi Model: Mink

[robust sky]

make it 20

[chilly helm]

THat's the best guess I have anyway

[hazy ferry]

wouldnt the logic be more Mink Mink no mi model: whatever animal

[chilly helm]

Though I'm not sure if Oda would go with Hito as the base? Maybe something like the above?

I've theorized on a hito hito mi model fishman in the past, before we knew the fish fish fruits existed

[pure raven]

THIS would be hard bro ngl

[chilly helm]

Maybe it could be more like the animal model mink? Like The Inu Ino no mi Model: Mink?

Though fox is just a guess

[dusky acorn]

I think Yamato's fruit is Kirin, there's a theory a user did in here a while back on it

#manga-theories message

[chilly helm]

I mean thier fusion looks alot like Sulong to me is all

Also I wonder if Sasaki's sword ate a devil fruit

Cause that could confirm that weapons could eat non-zoan type fruits, possible foreshadowing for whenever Vegapunk appears

[bronze otter]

all these years:
thanoscopter
now i present:
sasakicopter

[chilly helm]

(Though I'm not sure what fruit it would actually be and it could just be tech)

[true flame]

pog

this chapter, is pog

[boreal canopy]

i agree. don't box with franky

[pure raven]

What kind of Devil Fruit did Yamato eat?

[boreal canopy]

but i want to see luffy and zoro in action soon

plus shanks is supposed to come to Wano soon

or is at large

[wicked wasp]

The Kirin df is what ppl are suspecting

[boreal canopy]

I feel like that kind of DF should be in the same category as Marco's

[pure raven]

What could Shanks want on Wano... I hope it's not to kill Luffy

[boreal canopy]

can i get an amen?

[boreal canopy]

Idk he can do whatever he wants tbh

[wicked wasp]

Yeah it’s mythical probably

Dunno who it wouldn’t it’s based on a mythical creature

[boreal canopy]

Shanks is probably going to come at a time where they need him the most

Imagine if the captial got destroyed

[rare rose]

That fruit isn't a kirin.. Its like a wolf..

[wicked wasp]

It might

[boreal canopy]

like a naruto vs pain moment

luffy unlocks conquers haki at full blast

im reaching tho lol

[boreal canopy]

that is one hell of a wolf

[wicked wasp]

That wolf looking like a damn cool mythical creature then

Maybe if you do your research you can tell us what it is then Nokki

That wasn’t supposed to come out that sarcastically

[boreal canopy]

But i really want to see luffy and zoro fight again, as well as see Shanks make his move.

[true flame]

yall think sasaki is down for good?

[boreal canopy]

Plus a marjorie flashback

[wicked wasp]

I’m still wavering on seeing shanks in wano maybe in the next arc

[boreal canopy]

i don't belive it until i see him in his base form

[boreal canopy]

oda said "Shanks will be making his move in 2021"

[true flame]

"red hair" will be making his move

[wicked wasp]

Well wano might finish up before December

[boreal canopy]

ok PC police

[boreal canopy]

nah no shot right?

[true flame]

I def don't think Wano will finish up that soon. I mean, Oda does seem to be wrapping up the raid. But I think Shanks will be moving outside of Wano, probably something to do with blackbeard and probably the whole vegapunk project

[boreal canopy]

Shanks has to go back to wano imo

Shanks did say they would be seeing each other soon

[wicked wasp]

It feels like shanks just won’t have a place in wano

[unkempt monolith]

why there is enel in the new chapter page 2?

[boreal canopy]

Why are there so many Pirates going to Wano?

-SenGoku

Because fuck it why not

[wicked wasp]

We’ve been in the end game of wano for so long I feel like it can be wrapped up this year

[sharp pebble]

I think yamatos df is a komainu fruit

[wicked wasp]

I’m listening

[novel scroll]

Okami

[sharp pebble]

Its mostly the way the fire is drawn but it could be a different koma animal too

[wicked wasp]

Lots of ppl are saying Kirin and I agree with that theory

[hazy ferry]

game game no mi model okami

[hazy ferry]

wouldnt it be the inari fruit then

[river gate]

Bakeneko, my theory

[brave shell]

What is yamato df ya think?

[grizzled fog]

Kirin most likely

[vapid pollen]

I agree

only thing that seems to fit with the fur, fire motif, horns, fangs

[wicked wasp]

Everyone coming up with their own thought about it when literally all the evidence points to it being Kirin

[vapid pollen]

was kinda hoping it would be the white tiger

but the antlers make no sense for that

[wicked wasp]

Yeh

I think it’s cooler that it was something more mystical tho

[vapid pollen]

I thought this was foreshadowing but ig not

[wicked wasp]

Maybe we shouldn’t put our hopes and dreams into drawlings on the ground

[vapid pollen]

damn bruh relax

dont need to be a dick about it lmao im not that heavily invested into a fictional characters ability

[wicked wasp]

I’ve been actually a horrible person when shutting ppl down on here I need to chill

[vapid pollen]

yeah you must be fun at parties

[hazy ferry]

i mean ulti and page one has horns too and last i checked either of their dinos have horns?

[vapid pollen]

yeah the horns are one things but the antlers she has in hybrid form make me doubt pretty much anything except kirin

[steep vigil]

i just had a crazy thory, what if oda has been telling us luffy has self regeneration all along

[wicked wasp]

Kinda

[steep vigil]

cus luffy always gets beat up and looses teeth then they suddenly come back

[vapid pollen]

that's just the power of meat bro

[wicked wasp]

It’s played for laughs when luffy bounces back after a bad fight

That he just magically heals with the power of milk and meat

[sharp pebble]

I don't think that who's who or Sasaki are defeated

[vapid pollen]

i feel like something has to happen between who's who and cipher pol before he taps out

[steep vigil]

but oda has introduced things being foreshadowed as jokes, just like usopp's ramblings

[sharp pebble]

There's usually dialogue at the end of a fight to wrap it up but it cuts away after jinbeis punch

[vapid pollen]

true

[wicked wasp]

Yeah I’m agreeing with you but it’s mostly played as a joke

[robust sky]

sasaki awakened right?? or nah??
seems awakened to me

even yamato

[hazy ferry]

would explain the helicopter neck thing for sure

[robust sky]

more like queen have them experimented and half cyborg

[vapid pollen]

nah bro sasaki said it himself he's a triceratops 🤷‍♂️

[pseudo citrus]

you just have to jump from the "yamato=byakko" ship to the "gear 4th tiger man" ship

[vapid pollen]

all of them can do that

let's take it a step further

[tall peak]

do u guys think joy boy had gum gum fruit?

[robust sky]

can they do that? can't imagine HAHAHA
more like a cyborg to me HAHAHA

[robust sky]

more like the fruit enel have

[vapid pollen]

gear 5th tiger man awakened super Saiyan 2

[sharp pebble]

Remember Kaku? Yeah, Oda likes to do weird stuff with zoans to make them more interesting

Doesn't need to be a cyborg

[robust sky]

ow yeah, forgot HAHAHA

[robust sky]

mades sense, a giraffe as hard as a metal/steel combined with the 6 powers of the CP9/CP0

[robust surge]

Another Kitsune Fruit?!

[unique vault]

The only awakened Zoans we've seen confirmed are the Impel Down staff and they all shared an aesthetic.

[robust sky]

yeah, but based on appurtenance, it could be like who's who

[zinc iris]

Yamato's form looks like a fox

[zinc iris]

WW hybrid is big but big like Lucci

[robust sky]

lucci hybrid form is smaller if you compared it to WW

[robust sky]

forgot that part

why does it look smaller when luffy and lucci fight?

[azure dagger]

Bc this was for effect

[robust sky]

imma shut up now hahahaha

[sharp pebble]

Oda is making him large here for the intimidation factor I think during ennies lobby he's shorter

[azure dagger]

Sorry LMAOO

[robust sky]

yeah

[zinc iris]

He uses a rokushiki technique to make himself smaller

[sharp pebble]

I think even without that he's smaller

[robust sky]

that explains it, so the thoery where WW awakened could be wrong, or maybe almost there

[zinc iris]

Awakened Zoans are even bigger and stronger than regular hybrid form but are also changed mentally

[rustic pagoda]

So guys.. white tiger theory doesn't work anymore right?

[robust sky]

kaido was not really massive in his hybrid form right?

[zinc iris]

They are more savage

[zinc iris]

He's massive in every form so is hard to tell if he's bigger than usual

[robust sky]

based on the impel down jailers, yep they are savage

[sharp pebble]

If you look at the shichibukai lineup page in marineford they're all oversized for effect I think the same applies to lucci

[robust sky]

yeah he was, damn this oda HAHAHA

[zinc iris]

They are actually big

[robust sky]

more 7ft to me or 8 HAHAHA

[sharp pebble]

No Hancock is like three times the size of the navy man I that panel

[zinc iris]

Yeah it doesn't look like a tiger to me
I dare to say a fox but I'm unsure in general

[robust sky]

more like a deer face and fox body

[zinc iris]

If I were to make a guess it's a mythical Zoan of the animal species of Onimaru

[robust sky]

yeah that could be the closest one

[robust sky]

can you please enlighten me with what is that dog/fox again?

what is his/her connection to the ark right now

kinda lost hahaha

[zinc iris]

It's the fox that could transform in a guy and was stealing weapons by the bridge in ringo
He collected them for the samurai resistance

[robust sky]

that fat guy? the one that stole zoro sword righ

[zinc iris]

Yes

[robust sky]

hell yeah HAHAHA

[robust sky]

i thought it was strange dude hahahah makes sense hahahah

[rustic pagoda]

Yeah people keep saying it kirin/qilin. Look like it's a rare df since kaido put an effort to get it

[pure raven]

FINNALY YAMATO DF

IF YAMATO JOINS SHP

[zinc iris]

Well the white tiger byakko was supposed to be mythical its just that this thing dosent really look like a tiger

[pure raven]

SHP ARE THE STRONGEST EXCLUDING YONKO CREWS

[zinc iris]

Well they would be even if Yamato doesn't join

[tall bane]

i have heard it's zoan fruit it's Amateratsu(?)

[pure raven]

DRAGON'S NATURAL ENEMY IS TIGER AS PER OLD MYTHOLOGY

[tall bane]

bro sorry, that doesn't look like a tiger at all

[zinc iris]

Ok but this looks more like a fox than a tiger

[pure raven]

YEAH KINDA

THAT WAS YAMATO'S HYBRID FORM RIGHT?

[zinc iris]

Yes it was

[tall bane]

it has horns

[zinc iris]

Yamato has horns by default

[tall bane]

hmm true true

[pure raven]

YEAH SHE HAS HORNS NATURALLY JUST LIKE HER FATHER

[past river]

chill with the caps lock brother

[zinc iris]

It's the so called shapeshifter resonance where a shapeshifter retains some distinctive features when changing form

[tall bane]

there is some kidn of mytological wolf or dog in japan's culture?

[pure raven]

oh my bad i didnt see the caps were on XD

[zinc iris]

Like lucci's spots were still like his goatee

[tall bane]

liondog¿?

[zinc iris]

For comparison, when Kaido turns into a dragon he keeps his usual horns and grows a pair of antlers

[tall bane]

maybe , thats a thing in japan

[delicate bloom]

Mythical zoan like marco?

[tall bane]

yeh it looks like, I mean thats not regular. And it seems the fruit was important by the way kaido talks about it, I will go with the idea thats dog-lion

[zinc iris]

Considering Kaido said it took a lot of effort to retrieve that fruit it's supposed to be a better than average one so either ancient or mythical

[pure raven]

most df (zoans) are taken from japan mythology

[distant panther]

he looks like a horned dog

[tall bane]

yeh also It's his son so, he would want him to have one of the cool ones

[crisp sorrel]

||Dadan is Dragon's Mom and Garp's wife||

[tall bane]

yeh, but the horns are like a thing that he arleady had...

[distant panther]

@tall bane indeed. That might be the mythological Lion-dog hybrid form

[tall bane]

yall should search lion-dog art in google, it has a lot of resemblance

[distant panther]

so not really kirin

[tall bane]

It's really cool honestly xDDDD

[tall bane]

if it was a kirin i think he wouldn't have paws

anyway, i'm really excited to see where this is going, lion-dogs are know to be guardians of temples also know as Komainu

[lunar shell]

Kirin maybe ?

[zinc iris]

The kirin is kinda like a dragon not really with a mammalian face

[lunar shell]

If its not byako or Kirin its really sad cuz no link to japanese mythologie

[lunar shell]

Kirin has multiples appearance.

[tall bane]

maybe someking of kitsune, but that doesn't fit yamato's personality

[zinc iris]

And all boil down to a horse-shaped dragon

Yamato has a snout

[lunar shell]

Its alredy really sad if its not a byakko cuz it would have been perfect to show in light of the japanese and chinese mythologies perspectives

[tall bane]

I will put all my money on the lion-dog guardian thing XDDD

[lunar shell]

🤣

[river gate]

Bakeneko which is what I think Yamato is

[lunar shell]

Not bad

[tall bane]

https://tenor.com/view/true-agreed-jennifer-aniston-thinking-hmmm-gif-14692854

[river gate]

Or nekomata, one of the two. Both are extremely similar

[tall bane]

yeh it ould be

[river gate]

She definitely seems feline to me

And the yellow eyes from the teaser in the opening

[tall bane]

yes when the eyes glow in the dark and all

[distant panther]

Oda taking a break like "Y'all try to figure this out these 2 weeks"

[tall bane]

HE SHINES BRIGHT LIKE A DIAMON

[tall bane]

PAIN.

[lunar shell]

Lol

[teal nymph]

y does yamato's df look like a goat ?

[light pond]

Plus yamato's favorite food is salmon

[light pond]

Cause yamato is a GOAT

[zinc iris]

Bear confirmed

[distant panther]

I'd go for Kirin tbh, her legs and arms are slender and long, usually fu lions are designed with thick and muscled limbs. Maybe she has hooves on her feet xD

[marsh geyser]

Genuinely reckon its the fruit of the mask that Kumorosaki wears

Cat dog guitar no mi

[amber haven]

Where can I get all the Waldo pics you guys talking about?

[light pond]

#announcements last page on the link of current chapter

[amber haven]

Awesome! Thanks!!

[river gate]

Kirin also typically have scales, plus the only thing dragon like about her is the horns, which bakeneko have

Plus the hooves throw me off

[willow plover]

So wut can it be ? Yamatos DF

[tired osprey]

kirin, fits design wise, thematically and with the symbolism

[distant panther]

her eyebrows dont match with those of a cat-like human, tho they fit perfectly with a kirin. Gotta find out in 2 weeks, hopefully

[willow plover]

Dont they have 1 horn like unicorn?

[tired osprey]

they have been portrayed with both two horns and one horn.

[willow plover]

For me yamato looks more like a deer but mythical

Reminded me of chopper lol

[distant panther]

a fluffy deer

[willow plover]

Just learned that "quilin" is both male and female huuum goes well with yamato/oden complexe

[abstract pond]

"Japanese art tends to depict the kirin as more deer-like than in Chinese art. "

I'm also on the kirin theory

[river gate]

HOOVES

[hollow walrus]

doesnt the kirin only have one horn tho? nvm I didint read that someone asked it already

[small pasture]

funny fluffy deer

[lunar shell]

Me too

Oda can, as he has before, take some liberty on the mythologie counter part

[willow stone]

so, i also think that kirin is the most fitting designwise (idk anything about the symbolism) but are kirin normally depicted with scales? I don't really know, since all the images I could see were modern drawings

[river gate]

Scales and hooves traditionally

Basically a dragon/horse/deer chimera, she’s not a kirin

[abstract pond]

There are different depictions

Japanese is more deerlike

[willow stone]

well, the hooves aren't really a problem since Dalton (that guy from drum) only had hooves in his legs not in his hand when he was in hybrid form and we can't see yamato's legs in the chapter

[pastel sinew]

How do y’all think Rocks got all those heavy hitters on his crew?

[lunar shell]

Yamato on the right. Orochi on the left

This is Yamata no Orochi

[abstract pond]

They were on the same island probably

[elfin turret]

Hi im new here, in the last page there was a one piece x wally page were all the characters in wano appear and you have to find wally but there is Sanjuan Wolf in the picture xD could it be a hint Black beard is coming?

https://gyazo.com/7b647fe230046ec96fbc349e102972f3

[grave plinth]

there's also Enel

[pastel sinew]

I found Waldo

[quasi roost]

no

[split stone]

Luffy's bounty in the end of One Piece will be of 5.6Bi because 5.6 is pronounced as "gomu"

[sacred hawk]

You think Kaido was trying to get this fruit because it belonged to Yamato's mom?

[gray hemlock]

Mytical Ookami fruit??

[abstract pond]

He went for it because of how powerful can be probably

I don't see Kaido being sentimental

[cloud saddle]

I think the key are the elbows and the "things" she has behind her knees. Without that, it could be Fenrir or 9tailed. It can't be Kirin, since it has hooves instead of claws ( giraffe fruit user had hooves as well, so it can't change randomly to claws).

[abstract pond]

Impel Down cow guard had hands

[sacred hawk]

Also, I guess Sasaki being Kokoro's son didn't pan out

[frigid oriole]

That statement from Kaido is too vague to make any theories

[sacred hawk]

Well sure, but there's definitely some kind of story behind it

[bold glacier]

The Where's Wally panel was made by Oda?

[viral aspen]

I was wondering that myself

[cloud saddle]

Amaterasu Fox also fits, when it comes to wierd things at the elbows and knees:

[granite bluff]

sexy

[bold glacier]

Blackbear crew is there

[viral aspen]

This CBR article says it’s a collaboration https://www.cbr.com/one-piece-wheres-waldo-collaboration-featured-in-next-shonen-jump/amp/

[bold glacier]

Does it confirme that blackbear will be in wano?

[viral aspen]

Yes and perona and Bartolommeo and boa it’s incredible how much they fit in

[bold glacier]

where are they, i didn't see them

Looks like blackbear is hiding, waiting for the moment to show up

[viral aspen]

The are on the upper right of the page

Gaimon is in it too lol

[viral aspen]

His new form looks dope as f

[night jewel]

lot of non wano characters here, dont think too much about it

@bold glacier

[bold glacier]

thanks

[viral aspen]

I love this art I’m gonna print it out

[night jewel]

camie, pappagu, kuzan, gaimon, barto, boa and enel to name a few

[viral aspen]

I haven’t found Robin and Nami yet

[night jewel]

buggy, mr.2 and mr.3 as well

(the wally is mr.2 fyi)

[granite bluff]

where is the full image pls

[night jewel]

its with the chapter, link in #announcements

[viral aspen]

The simps are getting along lol

Chopper is with that mink he has a crush on 😚

[lunar shell]

Nice pseudo

[abstract pond]

https://e.rpp-noticias.io/xlarge/2017/10/08/460846_497167.jpg

[cloud saddle]

no horns. If it was it, Yamato should have 2 pairs of horns, but she has only one pair.

[abstract pond]

What?

[cloud saddle]

what, what? Yamato race has horns on daily basis.

[abstract pond]

The horns change in her hybrid form. And look very deer like antlers.

[whole jewel]

This is 100% what Yamato’s fruit is based on

In the manga panel you can see the fox like tail under his clothes

[abstract pond]

In the manga panel you can see deer ears, deer antlers, deer like mouth, faunesque eyebrowns

[whole jewel]

There are no antlers and those are just pointed ears I get why you would say that but it’s not like we can see hooves on him

Plus if it was deer like you’d have to explain the tail on him

It is far too bushy to belong to anything besides a canine

[cloud saddle]

It can't be amaterasu fox, since it's not a mythical beast, but still it's the closest i think

[abstract pond]

Because is not a plain deer. Is mythical creature with features of more animals

[cloud saddle]

also amaterasu goddes history is kind of similar to Yamato history

[whole jewel]

It isn’t a deer bro

Not in any way shape or form. Maybe just based on the headshot but not the full body features

[abstract pond]

It isn't a wolf either

[whole jewel]

It actually can be

[cloud saddle]

Chinese dragon has one pair of horns, but since Kaido has another one, because his race is of that kind, his Dragon form and hybrid form has 2 pairs. Thats why it can't be Kirin.

[abstract pond]

Japanese Kirin is bit different

[whole jewel]

But I’m thinking it’s either a wolf or other canine like a fox

Or some weird chimera involving either or

Unless kaido killed catarina for the inu inu model: kitsune lol

[bold glacier]

I don't know why, but can't post pics

[whole jewel]

But I’m willing to bet it’s gonna be Inu Inu Model: Okami no Amaterasu

[abstract pond]

you need a role

[bold glacier]

Look at momonosuke dragon form, it only has 2 horns, and it's the copy of Kaido's fruit. Kaido has 4, so kaido has those BEFORE he ate his devil fruit

[mortal field]

Im bit dumb but i thought Kaido was a fishman?

[bold glacier]

So, his horns aren't because of his devil fruit, same with yamato, we should't look for a fruit to give her horns

[whole jewel]

Huh?

[cloud saddle]

also i think the beast that Yamato turned into, by eating the fruit, need to have some meaning to the story. Amaterasu Goddes (amaterasu fox) has a similar story to Yamato, there is also saying that she had to kill multi headed dragon to save her people ( could fit with Orochi / Kaido), same as White Tiger. Although i think it isn't either of these 2, still i think the beast need to have some meaning to the story.

[balmy wave]

found waldo

[granite bluff]

there is another one i think

[abstract pond]

Would be weird a Zoan of a literal god

[mortal field]

The reason i thought Kaido was a fishman is because the horns are the same as Dellringers horn and he was a fighting bullfish fishman. And if Kaido wanted to game end himself and he's a df user them drowing shouldve been the first option.

[whole jewel]

I agree but either way just analyzing how the form looks and the different features it has some canine type look to it with the crazy tail, claws, and fangs. I would say snout but it’s in hybrid and too hard to pick out

[whole jewel]

Are you ok sir?

[broken ivy]

Sengoku?

[whole jewel]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/onepiece/images/4/45/Hito_Hito_no_Mi%2C_Model_Daibutsu_Infobox.png/revision/latest?cb=20160818203351

A literal god as a devil fruit. Just don’t talk anymore lmfao

[abstract pond]

Totally forgot about Sengoku xd

[abstract pond]

Why so salty?

[granite bluff]

bUt It'S aN aNiMe ScReEnShOt

[whole jewel]

Cause these claims keep slowing the convo

[abstract pond]

lmao, don't be so angry because it has deer features

[slate moon]

So next chapter we get to see Robin/Brook vs Maria

[whole jewel]

Bro you are on something lmao. Your arguments make 0 sense

[slate moon]

Oda has been wrapping up the battles quickly and in reverse order of when they joined the crew

[whole jewel]

We just debunked your reasons for it being a deer and you still claim it so

[mortal field]

Yea more than likely. Either them Sanji

[whole jewel]

I hope we get more sanji stuff ngl

[abstract pond]

you didn't debunked anything

[mortal field]

Damn how do yall type fast?

[whole jewel]

Aight I’m out, gl to y’all lol

[slate moon]

We will get to Sanji but most likely after the Black Maria fight is finished up

[mortal field]

Yea that seems to be the play

[slate moon]

Definitely looking forward to the resolution to Sanji and Queen

[mortal field]

Also @abstract pond the reason Mavern is sure its ameteratsu and not a deer is because a deer would come with a pair of horns just like all the other DF of ancient or mythical that should have horns do as well. In japanese painting, Amaterasu is shown to have flowing hair on her elbows and... back of the legs ig? now i doubt the features would be so rough on Yamato due to them being a female but thats why Mave thinks its a wolf and not a deer

[neon shoal]

does.anyone else think sasaki and whos who can still battle agaisnt strawhat pirate

[visual merlin]

definitely could get up and continue

[oak mural]

but oda is finishing these fights fast they might get up after kiado gets defeated

[snow epoch]

i have a theory that kaidou will be fulfilled by luffys ambition towards his dreams/goal to be the pirate king and take matters into his own hands. Kaidou will spread out his arms and fall into the ocean. Killing kaidou and saving wano ez.

luffy will then take kaidous spot as yonkou and be closer to being king of the pirates

[mortal field]

Thats...sad

[snow epoch]

its sad but its also his goal

[mortal field]

Cant he just get his ass beat then get killed by the marines?

Wait hold on, dumbest but coolest shit i thought of

[pure raven]

Bb crew & enel in wano confirmed?

[snow epoch]

that would be dumb

not even impel down could keep kaidou down

[mortal field]

Remember Film Z, where Z held off the marines for Luffy to escape? What if that shit happens but for Kaido instead

[snow epoch]

films arent cannon

[pure raven]

Ayo why u ignoring enel and bb

[mortal field]

Ik that

[pure raven]

[snow epoch]

bb in wano would be ridiculous, we already have 2 of the strongest yonkou here

just had to say that cause if that was an actual prediction that would be dumb ^

[pure raven]

But his crew mate is in that poc

[snow epoch]

its probably just a mush of characters

[pure raven]

Remember its wano tho, editor said wano is a big key to a secret one piece world, and oda self said wano war gonna make paramount war look cutie

[snow epoch]

big key is probably luffy lol

[neon shoal]

Whi who and saski better

if they get defeated by that then that pretty stupid considering who who and sasaki are members one of the strongest crew in world and top member of kaido crew

[pure raven]

Would be weird too if bb dont go to a big war in wano

[snow epoch]

BB fight will be on laughtale, or an island before that

[pure raven]

Of course lol, he a main charactrr

[slate torrent]

Sasaki is just a meme at this point. Flying around like a fool and then accidentally propelled himself backwards 😂 Then he gets knocked out by a radical beam

[pure raven]

Kaido vs bb i am calling it -> bb has kaidos df

[neon shoal]

is anyone else surprised that none of strawhat members are defeated or no longer fight in war?

While ulti and page one can no longer fight in war

[abstract pond]

Okami was also my first though but since someone mentioned kirin I searched and it looks more like it. The long ears are more deer than wolf, the horns, the eyebrows kinda like a faun, the flowing hair/fire in the back and elbows also suits a kirin.

[neon shoal]

And then possibly who whi and sasaki are defeated by jimbai and franky

Hopefully who’s who page one and sasaki Recover and continue fight war

[remote hemlock]

soo is yamato a kirin?

[neon shoal]

What a kirin?

[sacred crystal]

its a beer!

[slate torrent]

I don’t think there’s much left for those two. They’re done

[mortal field]

This

[neon shoal]

Noooo

[mortal field]

I can see it being that, or wolf goddess

[cloud saddle]

THEORY:Do you think Nika God can be based on some African gods, that were helping the slaves?
I have one god in mind, the trickster Anansi. It is a spider African god of all knowledge that was known for being a trickster, which would also fit with Nika "bringing smiles" to his people. Anansi also hated slavery and was one of the dieties slaves were praying to, when they were enslaved. I know it is stated that Nika is "sun god", but still i think that Nika probably is based on some African dieties, could be also that Anansi was the overall source, besides that "spider look".

• Here is a scene from TV series "American Gods", that includes Anansi freeing slaves: || https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kad_PvRBADQ&ab_channel=DEXOHEMAREX ||

[velvet edge]

@abstract pond might as well post that in #manga

[abstract pond]

okey

[pure raven]

or Oda is reading this channel and just doing a fan service and trolling us

[mortal field]

Uh nevermind youre actually right. It is a Kirin

[whole jewel]

The whole point of a Qilin is that it is a unicorn like creature

With one horn or sometimes a pair on its head

[mortal field]

Yamato horns changed shapes to fit the antlers

[whole jewel]

It also posses different features depending on it's interpretation such as a horse, lion, or dragon

It is thought of as a chimera with scales of a dragon

This translation is true for all iterations of the creature and evidently yamato does not posses any scales and more of a fur covered build

Her head is also not that of a dragon and there are no extra horns to fit the creature

It's most likely going to be the okami no amaterasu A. Due to lore reasons that allign with what has transpired and existing zoans like Orochi's and B. The features that are shown in the hybrid form are that of a canine

[modest skiff]

Wait what am I looking it, who made this

[mortal field]

Idk, if it was a wolf then wolf like features would show up more. We have people like Jabra and Lucci to show what feline and canine df users look like, and even Who^2 to show what extinct felines look like. Yamato could be just as you said, a chimera of animals that take up diffefent natures. The Kirin is shown to have fangs in its mouth and the point of the creature even fits Yamato. If it was a wolf i felt like more things would point to it. Small nose, skinny ears, no large nose or sharp ears like a wolf, but more for a deer

[whole jewel]

Okay then tell me where Yamato's scales are

Like the whole idea of a Kirin is that it has the body of a horse/deer with scales and the head of a dragon. It also either has one or two horns which Yamato does not have

[mortal field]

"Only punishes those who are mean and cruel" Kaido is now fighting Yamato, as Kaido is someone who is mean and cruel. "To be a good omen of prosperity and peace" she wants to free Wano of Kaido hands, and open up Wano's borders. She's trying to be like Oden, the person who wished to do the same for Wano.

[whole jewel]

Which website are you pulling this from?

[mortal field]

If you mean the kirin shit then wiki

If you mean the explanation then thats coming from me and what i read/saw of OP

[fathom matrix]

I kinda got fox like vibes from Yamato's hybrid form

IDK why

[mortal field]

The small nose maybe

[pure raven]

Kaido's not gonna go through effort just for a fox fruit and the 9 tail fox is already taken by Black beard's crew

[whole jewel]

Fox like in nature, not a literal fox

We're just gonna have to wait for Oda to name drop it. Cause personally I don't see it being a Kirin, the face would be shaped different and scales would be present if so.

[fathom matrix]

Maybe, cause it seems a bit too kanine to be a cat, but too slender and nimble to be a dog. Foxes aren't a cat and dog combined, but people got the idea they looked like both.

Plus, I'm there are other mythical foxes in mythology that aren't 9 tailed transforming ones.

[mortal field]

The Kirin is sometimes shown to have fire around its body, maybe the thing around Yamato body is fire

[whole jewel]

A lot of things are shown with fire like that

And the Kirin does not have the ring around it that you describe

[zinc iris]

Hybrid Yamato has a snout

Like a canine indeed

[mortal field]

Honestly yea, i see where youre coming from with amaterastu or however the name is cause im dumb as hell rn but i can also see it being a Kirin

[fathom matrix]

Or it could be a case where he forgets the name and then in an SBS they ask "hey, what's Yamato's fruit called?" then again he's like "OH I FORGOT TO ANSWER THAT, LOL!"

[modest skiff]

Is he a...dryad?

Those ears are the only thing making me veer away from the other theories

[mortal field]

No

[whole jewel]

There aren't any horns tho either so like idk bro

[modest skiff]

No horns..?

[fathom matrix]

Cause we only got Kaido's full fruit name in an SBS, and you'd think Oda would fully name drop a fish fish fruit's full name and not in an off handed question in an SBS

[whole jewel]

No horns from the devil fruit

[modest skiff]

Oh hey, this is a really great point. If this is his hybrid form anyway, we have no fucking idea what she is XD

[mortal field]

Yea but then the horns changed their forms so maybe she does have horns and her actual horns are hidden but i doubt that too

[whole jewel]

Literally look at Kaido we already had this discussion here

[modest skiff]

Alright I'm totally ditching this theorizing entirely if we don't even know which form this is. Feels totally pointless

[whole jewel]

He has separate sets of horns for his hybrid form

[mortal field]

Ik thats why im still confused on what happen to her actual horns

[whole jewel]

One pair being his dragon fruit and the other being his base

[fathom matrix]

Plus those kinda look more like hooves than claws and clearly Yamato's hands are more claw like.

[mortal field]

This to this just doesnt make sense

[modest skiff]

I keep accidentally calling oden a she. beats self with stick

[whole jewel]

It's just cause of the transformation. Their features change. The horn shape is the same just placed different with the elongated head now

[mortal field]

Yea but Kaidos horn are still there even after going hybrid just like Yamato

[whole jewel]

Yeah and he has a second set of horns

It's not like their biology changed all of a sudden. The devil fruit has just shaped them differently furthering my point that Yamato's hybrid doesn't have the head of a dragon and rather another creature otherwise it would look like Kaido's hybrid form head.

[mortal field]

True, thats a good point. Well we just gotta wait 2 weeks for the name drop ig

[whole jewel]

p much

Cause I don't 100% think it'll be the okami idea either. Even though the amaterasu lore fits. I'm just pointing out it's features are that of a canine rather than that of a dragon

[mortal field]

In other breaking news, i forgot to post this here

[mortal field]

Yea the features are for sure something else than dragon, maybe Oda put his own spin on it ig.

[whole jewel]

Depends. He doesn't shy too far from the source material unless it's a goofy thing like kaku or sasaki

[modest skiff]

I feel like Enel being in that where’s Waldo picture can’t be ignored

Also glad to see Sanjuan wolf. The entire idea of BB having no idea what Luffy, Kaido or BM were doing for such a long period of time felt totally inconceivable. All he would have to do is monitor one of those people and he'd know Wano is some seirously heavy shit and he needs to be a part of it

[mortal field]

Keep it a stack, i think its just a Where's Waldo pick. But i do remember BB taking off from the island to go somewhere

[modest skiff]

Yeah ok maybe you are right. If this guy actually shows up, I will lose my fucking mind. Well damn. Was really hoping for some Enel lol

[mortal field]

Omfg i forgot about him

[cloud saddle]

What about this guy? Some people point him out too:

[modest skiff]

Like every other possibility, this is also possible. We know so little it is hard to say yes or no to anything. Especially with the introduction of hybrid forms. I am frustrated by how difficult this is right now lol

[iron briar]

white tiger doesn’t have horns and yamato’s hybrid form does.

[sand sail]

That's because Yamato herself has horns

[cloud saddle]

Yamato has her / his own horns from the start.

[iron briar]

ok but why would a tiger have horns

[cloud saddle]

what? xD

[teal bay]

It can be yamato's original horn

[cloud saddle]

Why would Kaido have 2 pairs of horns in his dragon forms, when he only has 1 normally?

Because, his dragon fruit give him another pair of horns, so after all that he has 2 pairs.

[iron briar]

dragons have horns. just because yamato originally has them doesn’t mean they will just carry over to an animal that doesn’t have horns.

[cloud saddle]

yes, it does mean that

[cloud saddle]

with your logic, Kaido in his dragon forms, should have only 1 pair of horns, but he has 2 instead

[sand sail]

It, in fact, does not mean that

What it does mean is that Oda now has the option to include them or not, per his desire

We've seen in the past that not everything carries over in that way, or even in the same way for every Zoan out there

Horns, specifically this arc, have been shown having that very fickle nature lol

[iron briar]

i don’t think ur understanding my point. it doesn’t matter if the horns transfer or whatever, tigers literally do not have horns so WHY would oda make the white tiger devil fruit have horns??? it doesn’t add up

[sand sail]

@iron briar Because he wants to.

It adds up just fine, there's no standard here

[bitter kraken]

How do I make it so the announcements send me notifications about new chapter releases?

[iron briar]

that’s just illogical lmaoooo

[sand sail]

@bitter kraken It should be by default, make sure you have notifications to our server turned on

Specifically the everyone pings

[sand sail]

No, that's how Oda's worked forever lol. Humans also don't have blue noses or snouts, but Chopper keeps them in his human form

Same principle here

[pure raven]

Oda is fluid with his zoan designs

[cloud saddle]

the horns you are talking about are from her race. What do you think would happen if fishman eat the zoan fruit, for e.g Tiger one? Do you think his web between his fingers would magically disapear, just bcs Tigers doesn't have web between the fingers?

[pure raven]

we have no reason to believe they are a different race

[cloud saddle]

Your logic is actually no logic

[pure raven]

and it's design, again

[sand sail]

Yes, odds are this is what would happen

[iron briar]

to me it sounds like u are just hoping that one of those theories that yamato will defeat kaido because of the white tiger vs dragon comes true

[sand sail]

Both of you guys are off the mark here These things you're saying are illogical have been done multiple times in the past

[weary belfry]

They lost Yamato’s horn because his fruit is the Kirin fruit. Kirin have deer antlers not horns

[sand sail]

Neither of you have been really correct in your assessments so far, since you're trying to fit to a pattern that just doesn't exist.

Example once more would be Chopper's fruit. Humans have horns, as we've seen multiple times with Oda admitting it himself just because it's something he likes to do, and yet Chopper's full human form has no horns but keeps his snout and nose. His hybrid form keeps everything, but shrinks him, which is also unique

[lunar shell]

I saw Ener actually

[lunar shell]

That's no sense cuz in the mythology the white tiger LOSE to the Dragon....

[tired osprey]

add marco, pekoms and morgans to that, they dont follow the "pattern" either

[sacred hawk]

So wait, if Yamato is a deer, is chopper gonna pull a Sanji whenever she's transformed?

[pure raven]

not really a deer or a reindeer

[iron briar]

pekoms is a mink

[pure raven]

but who knows

[iron briar]

also marco goes full phoenix

[pure raven]

he also goes hybrid

[iron briar]

idk what morgan is

[tired osprey]

With a zoan

Dont get me wrong

Yamato most def doesnt have the byakko fruit, no tiger stripes in sight lol

[sand sail]

But none of these things matter tho

They're still atypical, and Yamato's clearly got a mythical fruit, so she falls right in line with people like Marco anyway

[pseudo citrus]

spiders don't have horns, but black maria's hybrid has them

[sand sail]

Spiders only have one head and Black Maria has two

[pseudo citrus]

yeah oda has been anything but consistent with his zoan transformations while yamato's horns aren't necessarily features of the animal, is yamato the only one of the beast pirates whose horns change position when they transform?

[abstract pond]

What if the horns were a decoration she can just take off

[weary rock]

Yamato’s zoan looks like a alphyn to me.

[pseudo citrus]

imagine in the anime, when the transformation happens, yamato just pops the horns off then pops them back on

[abstract pond]

I wouldn't be stranger than a flying triceratops xd

[weary rock]

I think it’s cool that it’s still up for speculation

[pseudo citrus]

100% intentional by oda, go on break and let people speculate

also, does any other zoan have their teeth change when they're hybrid? most others that come to mind have normal lower halves of their heads and animal top halves... like, maybe this is actually yamato's full zoan form lol

[weary rock]

I like hearing one side say it’s a crab, and the other saying it’s a tiger haha

[pseudo citrus]

like this

[weary rock]

Drakes teeth change?

[pseudo citrus]

not in hybrid

ah nvm, WW had sabertooth mouth in hybrd

[pure raven]

it's useless to find design patterns in zoans

[orchid remnant]

Does sanji have future sight?? According to vivre card it seems

[weary rock]

Yea they said he used it in WCI

Unintentionally I would think, but it’s still really cool

[orchid remnant]

Wtfff

Its a big thing

[weary rock]

I think so too I was really happy to see that

[fathom matrix]

Well, I think Oda said that certain people have an affanity for a haki colour. Like, Sanji was stronger with observation, Zoro was more towards armament and Luffy was better with conquerors

[weary rock]

I think sanji had the best OBS Haki compared to the crew right? That would make sense if he did it first

^ oops yea exactly haha

[obtuse star]

ok so hear me out

usopp is uranus

This is because if based on mr morj's video, the three ancient weapons are based on the three colors of haki and that uranus could potentially be based around observation haki then it could be something that predicts things far far in advance and usopp has been known to do stuff like that. however, that could also apply to shyarly. But if we consider the fact that usopp has near perfect aim and almost never misses then hes theoretically predicting the future as well. This means that not only has he been able to predict the future far in advance but was also able to do so in battle. So thats my theory

another idea of note is that usopp acquired the moniker of "god"

[raven stratus]

couldnt predict getting a new ship

[sand robin]

Usoop just get "upgrade" so he can compete new world

[wise vine]

What about the BB sniper I forgot his name
He can shoot birds from an island that isn't even visible yet

[obtuse star]

van auger seems to be good at sniping just on training while usopp trained at all when he perfectly shoots a ship so it could be a possible theme of hard work vs natural talent?

[viral aspen]

Franky’s fight was fun can’t wait to see it animated

[ember bone]

yo, it's king

[cedar sinew]

that's just his skills as a sniper for 99% of the story.
Even if we take the hit on Sugar into account, it's been made clear that it's regular observation haki with wind speed/slope/position considered

usopp jjust needed obs haki to exactly pinpoint where they were

[ember bone]

Strawhat bounty predictions after Wano? what you reckon m8s

[cedar sinew]

he also had other people helping him out as well

[obtuse star]

meh its just a theory

i also believe that the giant stone straw hat could be uranus based on how imu-sama uses knives to point out potential threats in the levely arc

[modest skiff]

My impression has always been that perfect aim is essentially Usopp’s super power. If he shoots something, he will hit it. Then observation haki just adds on to that and gives perspective on where someone might be. I basically just agree with Mai

[obtuse star]

but i still dont know how usopp is able to predict the future so far in advance

[modest skiff]

I see Usopp’s ability to aim as similar to Sanji’s ability to cook

[obtuse star]

it could just be a form of observation haki

[modest skiff]

I see it as purely calculations in his head based on trajectories and whatnot

[cedar sinew]

I just told you how he's able to do it

even when you throw a basketball for example

you're applying the same mechanics

[obtuse star]

no like how usopp was consistently able to say things that happened in the story like the strawhats meeting a dragon

thats what i want to understand when i made the theory

[cedar sinew]

has he?

do you have the panel

if anything it's probably just a jab/joke and not meant to be a legitimate prediction like what Sharley does

[cedar sinew]

how is that a prediction

am I missing something from the image

[modest skiff]

I admit I won't be mad if it turns out Usopp has been the main character all along. I would let out a big sigh and say "alright"

[obtuse star]

essentially, usopp constantly makes lies that come true. like meeting dwarves. I think thats not a one off joke based on how much that happens. i think he is a special key to something in one piece.

while it may not be uranus, it has to be something special

[cedar sinew]

🤔

I actually didn't realize some of them there

while some of them are just a stretch.
I think it IS part of his character, that his previous lies become true (not in the sense that he's predicting it, but because he's gotten good enough for it) as he gets closer to his goal

for the ones when he was a child/in syrup village

not sure what this is suppoed to signify

[modest skiff]

Yeah I’ve at times wondered if Usopp has essentially control over reality in some weird way. Or, like Ariboa seems to imply, it’s a exotic form of observation haki, where he sees glimpses of the future.

I actually think BB’s sniper has a more developed form of this. One of my theories is that he sought out BB because he knew what BB would eventually do, same as Usopp, but Usopp doesn’t understand what is happening

[cedar sinew]

and this is targetted for both sanji and luffy's interests

[weary rock]

Manifesting god

[acoustic knot]

himself

[modest skiff]

If you read *exactly what Van Augur says in the Jaya arc, it sounds implied that he has insight into the future in some way

[quiet swan]

The name itself augur was used to describe some oracle kinda thing for the romans

[harsh niche]

Birdwatching to decide things

like a fancy coin toss - the augurium

the one who sees more birds fly by gets to be king of rome

[obtuse star]

ye i also notice that everytime usopp predicts something,its either a lie or a one off joke

[modest skiff]

Yeah so if people don't mind me using a pretty large tinfoil hat:

Somewhere along the way as a child, BB reads a glyph in his home town in the north/south pole and sets out on his journey for the yami. Eventually he runs into Augur, who basically tells him details BB didn't know yet about his future.

[modest skiff]

FWIW, I am serious and I think it is well supported

[obtuse star]

this is serious

[modest skiff]

Shanks/Buggy talking which is colder, north or south. Ice people not sleeping. There's a lot more but I'm about to leave. I typed a bunch of details some other time. But at the VERY least, I think BB is from the coldest of the north or south poles. And that's why Shanks knows all about BB. He knows about what is special about north/south pole and he knows BB is from there @harsh niche

anyway when I am home let me know if you guys want me to talk about it more, but long story short I think BB read a glyph in his home in the pole. Roger and his crew traveled there because they needed the info glyphs. That's where Shanks learned all this

[cedar sinew]

how did he read the glyph

do you also believe in the bb 3 eye theory

and that he's awakened

[modest skiff]

I think the people at the poles are isolated the same way as wano, minks, Elbaf. They never lost the void century. They still know all the languages from back then. I don’t think we need the 3 eye theory for everything to make sense and I think he knows he needs to awaken for his plan to work but I do not know if it has happened as of right now

But I do think the 3 eye theory is possible. I don’t make a determination either way

[cedar sinew]

but Wano despite being isolated did lose the void century

only the first generation didn't, which led them to the creation of poneglyphs

do you mean that the poles are an extreme version of this and were never purged by the WG in the first place

[queen arrow]

and Zoro's

[cedar sinew]

right and zoro's

[sand sail]

The Minks also lost the void century

No one knew why the road glyph and everything was there before Oden and Roger show up

[cedar sinew]

I think Mohdoo just meant there's a group on the poles like the Oharan scholars as they're hard to reach

I can see that kinda

[sand sail]

I don't know if I'd go with a Lost World approach for it tho, Elbaf is the only country that may have a good tie to the Void Century that can still be explored and explained in person. What with it only being like 2 or 3 giant generations behind and all

Scholars able to decipher it though, that I can get behind more. Ohara wasn't the only place doing it after all, Blackbeard could have found something out

[cedar sinew]

well I don't think it'd be explored in the same capacity as Elbaf will be.
I think it can be a cool tie in to BB's backstory and his ambitions

[sand sail]

But honestly, I don't think anything he does will have anything to do with the poneglyphs in its preparation. I'm sure he'll go for them just for the sake of getting One Piece and all, but I don't believe it'll end up having been because of something he read from them as a kid

[modest skiff]

Yes this is what I meant. @sand sail sorry I was rushing out the door. I’m saying I think the poles are particularly isolated, perhaps due to being unreachable by standard boats due to ice

Still out and about so I will give detailed answers later

[proud tree]

theory: Franky will use Sasakis Karakuri Helix Sword. Franky was on Karakuri island where he studied Vegapunks inventions ... propably Karakuri Helix Sword is one of these inventions (bcs name). Also Franky mentions "If Only I was better with swords" A engineering solution to this problem is: use the Helix sword technology by Sasaki

And his Franken Sword is shattered now

[cerulean coyote]

This would be cool since the alternative is asking zoro or brook (it wouldn't be cool using the same sword style).

[modest skiff]

@cedar sinew and @sand sail , sorry for my poor explanations earlier. I was about to leave, so I was brief, but I am home now for a little bit, so I wanted to type out a more full explanation: First of all, it sounds like I maybe I misunderstood what you mean. How did Wano lose the void century? I thought they passed on the language of the gylphs? To me, so long as they are passing on the ability to read glyphs, I am going to assume somewhere around there is some kinda book about the void century. But it sounds like maybe I missed something, so please inform me if I am wrong.

By my estimation, there are probably varying levels of "got their salad tossed" during the void century. I think some races were essentially able to escape, some more than others. The Minks, for example, have basically retained their own island and whatnot, but they can't read their own glyph, so something clearly happened. I imagine at some point, the Minks could read it. Then there is Wano. Wano seems to have retained more of its history and culture and whatnot than the Minks. But only kind of. It honestly feels to me like Wano made an agreement where if they burn all evidence of void century, they have a truce. But then they hid stuff? Why not just teach all citizens how to read the glyphs? Why keep this language secret? There's no clear motivation for the glyph language to be secret in Wano if they are isolated. So I think they were more like a negotiated draw.

Then there is Elbaf, which we know was labeled the most powerful nation at one point. So they probably have tomes and tomes of history related to the void century and well beyond that. I think Elbaf will essentially be the point of full knowledge, but they have some form of truce it seems. Still kind of unclear how Elbaf fits into the world diplomatically. Wano and Elbaf aren't hidden from the world, but details are scarce.

Getting back to BB: I think it is possible he is a 3 eyed tribe person and person 3 eyed tribes live at the poles. But I don't know if Puddling sleeps. If she sleeps, BB is not a 3 eyed person IMO. What we know of the glyphs so far is that there are huge attempts to hide them all over the place. Certain glyphs say different things. Based on everything we know about the ancient folks, I think they could totally make their way to the poles, despite the ice. But I think the people who live at the poles are even more isolated than Elbaf. I don't think they are as powerful as Elbaf, but I think it is essentially impossible to reach them. I think because of their ability to read glyphs (special power like 3 eyed? they have a book? They speak that language to begin with? I have no idea), the WG basically wants the poles to be the same as Ohara, no one knows it existed, the whole thing is just a giant secret. But I think the people who live at the poles like that. They want complete isolation and see no reason to engage with the world. I don't have any idea what the pole people did during the void century. I am basically totally comfortable leaving tons of question marks here.

But the part that I do feel good about: BB is from a pole, pole people are a huge danger to the WG, no one knew BB was from a pole until Shanks told Gorosei.

Here's an extension of my BB theory: Since on Earth, some places like Alaska can have nights that last an incredibly long time, I think it is possible that one or more of the poles simply doesn't have day time. Or it is like 1 day a year. And I think it is possible BB wants to make the whole world as dark as the poles. Yami awakening --> eat the sun or somehow remove light from the planet --> the entire world is now the dominion of the pole people once everything freezes.

[weary cliff]

That.. makes total sense. Really keeps in theme that in wano almost all of the powerups are better gear

[eternal cave]

So I’m really late to this but like ….Amaterasu isn’t a wolf in any other stories besides …that capcom video game lmao so like 😭😭 why are you guys shutting down @abstract pond for? Amaterasu is a woman lmao the okami character is a wolf not a fox and only portrayed as such in a video game series, she’s typically the sun god, a Woman not an animal, Japan has other wolf, feline, Fox gods and it’s not Amaterasu lmao I don’t think the Kirin theory is that far fetched. @whole jewel but he could be wrong it might be another creature the Byakko could be a thing too 🤷🏽‍♂️🤷🏽‍♂️ but stop saying Amaterasu is a fox or wolf 😂😂😂 please.

[mortal field]

Just because you presented an actual sound explanation to the sun goddess, Amaterasu, imma keep calling her a wolf. But naw ik she's a woman.

[pseudo citrus]

I know it's pretty set that Luffy is reincarnated/inheriting the will of Nika somehow, but I just want to point out something that came to mind while considering the Sun God/Ameterasu idea: If you imagine the hair here being flames, Yamato's fruit could easily have originally been Nika's, which might also explain why Kaido worked so hard to get it

[modest skiff]

One of my Kaido theories is that he raised Yamato specifically for the purpose of eventually killing him

[whole jewel]

ik lmao it was just a fun idea

[pseudo citrus]

to what end, though?

[weary cliff]

This chapter especially it seems like he still has hopes of turning Yamato to work for him

[pure raven]

probably because kaido is unkillable, so he raised a child that could defeat him

[pseudo citrus]

oh, I thought he meant kaido raised yamato just to kill them, had it backwards yeah your theory would make sense... could be that, or something like "I'll imprison my kid so that nika will kill me to free them"

[eternal cave]

Ok lmao I’m just making sure because you guys sounded REAL confident that’s was it was and Kirin was absolutely wrong. So felt like helping @abstract pond out

[eternal cave]

will Luffy have two DFs in your theory ???

[whole jewel]

All I can do atm is disprove the Kirin. It is the least likely option but we don't have confirmation from oda

[pure raven]

hopefully no, i would want to see him become the strongest by using his own powerse that he trained with a fruit and not recieve a OP fruit

[eternal cave]

That’s fair, you did bring up some valid points about the overall design.

[pseudo citrus]

nah I don't really have a theory lol, just trying to show that it feels like there's a connection... if I had to write a theory, it would be: Nika was originally Yamato's fruit, but Luffy is inheriting his will without inheriting his power

my theory would be: the fruit is Inu-Inu model Nika 🙂

[eternal cave]

At the moment, we’ve seen a total of 3(?) inu-Inu models?
Nika also doesn’t have any dog like features in his silhouette but that would he interesting
Also has there been any confirmation as to how long WW has been with Kaido? If this is indeed the “Nika” model, why question Jinbe about the validity of this “Nika” character and his exploits when their (Nika) DF is within the stronghold

[weary cliff]

With the way his horns sweep and his ears are shaped, I just don't see anything more fitting than the Kirin. The ears especially rule out a canine/feline fruit

[remote root]

I think it is feline DF or atleast a carnivores mythical zoan

[pseudo citrus]

again, I don't feel the theory is quite right, but trying to answer your question within the theory:
the silhouette definitely seems wrong, but it could just be because that's how WW is imagining it... I could imagine Kaido is just investigating all things Joyboy/Nika related and that's how he 1) got the fruit 2) found WW and allied with him.

[weary cliff]

Outside of sharp teeth, there are zero feline features. Looks absolutely nothing like any other neko neko fruit

[remote root]

Yeah and even when oda first hinted her DF sharp teeth were focused

[weary cliff]

Because that's the most nondescript part to tease. Still are nondescript and don't help narrow at all

Any animal could have sharp teeth

The fact that his horns shift to his forehead is significant. Gives that deer-like look

[remote root]

Ok

[eternal cave]

maybe it’s a Surlong animal, some sort of feral beast. The original Surlong ? A primal version of an animal we’ve already seen

[remote root]

Do you know any myths about A deer like animal? That can fit the yamatos theme?

[weary cliff]

you mean the Kirin?

[remote root]

Is this it?

[weary cliff]

Exactly. I wasn't sold at all, but digging through google results of all the vastly different interpretations, the face shape and ears are mostly very similar to Yamato. Idk what else fits better

[silent dock]

I think the biggest tell Yamato has a Kirin Mythical comes from the lore surrounding Kirins: The qilin ([tɕʰǐ.lǐn]; Chinese: 麒麟) or kirin is a mythical hooved chimerical creature that appears in Chinese mythology, and is said to appear with the imminent arrival or passing of a sage or illustrious ruler.

[remote root]

But did you read it all?

It says hooved creature having one horn

[weary cliff]

Well damn. Yeah, with how inconsistent this thing is depicted, as long as Oda gives it horns and hooves it is recognizable as a Kirin

[silent dock]

Right the 1 horn is the biggest difference - Yamato had hooves

[remote root]

But yeah all other things fit perfectly

[weary cliff]

It's very commonly shown with one or two, so that's no major detractor

[remote root]

Yeah? We never see full legs though

[abstract pond]

It also says is often depicted with 2 horns

[remote root]

Ok

Then what do you think it's mythical power will be?

[silent dock]

So true I def thought i saw hooves but i was wrong!!

[weary cliff]

Interesting, it also seems to be regarded as one of the most powerful creatures. Sometimes above or just under the dragon

Kaido did go on about how hard it was to get this fruit. Not unlike how BM made a big deal about getting the uo uo for Kaido

[abstract pond]

"Japanese art tends to depict the kirin as more deer-like than in Chinese art. Alternatively, it is depicted as a dragon shaped like a deer, but with an ox's tail instead of a lion's tail."

[silent dock]

Something else cool about Qilin in Chinese Mythology is that its often associated with a "Qilin Dance" performed at the Lunar New Year Festivals

[abstract pond]

iirc they breath fire and some stuff more. But it's hard to find.

[upbeat mist]

idk couldnt it still be the byakko? like it would be a weird fit with the art but if you assume yamato/kaido's race keeps horns in all zoan forms, it could still fit with the claws/sharp teeth and the like. I agree the build and face shape don't point to it but it's not been hard ruled out, no?

[silent dock]

Which reminds me of Kozuki and Luffy's love of parties/dancing around the fire

[abstract pond]

" It is normally gentle but can become fierce if a pure person is threatened by a sinner, spouting flames from its mouth and exercising other fearsome powers that vary from story to story."

Seems to vary a lot from tale to tale

[weary cliff]

It's pretty hard ruled out imo. He has no stripes, no feline ears, whiskers or any features but the claws/teeth

[silent dock]

Another ability is to create clouds it can walk on, as to avoid harming the gras/nature below. Could be helpful ability when Kaido tries to drop onigashima on the capital lol

[weary cliff]

But. The Kirin was apparently in place of the Byakko in earlier versions of that pantheon

[remote root]

Appearance: The kirin is one of the rarest, most awesome and powerful creatures ever known in East Asia. It is a regal animal, holy and highly revered. The kirin is often considered a god in its own right. Resembling a deer with scales like a dragon’s covering its body, the kirin is a chimerical beast. It has a tail like an ox and a flowing mane. Its body and mane are covered in brilliant, holy fire and its face is the picture of utter serenity.

Yup it is Kirin

[silent dock]

https://mythology.net/mythical-creatures/qilin/ reading this and seeing all the parallels with destiny, rise of great leaders, peaceful until facing wrong doers... idk man i think it's heavyyyyy leaning to qilin

[weary cliff]

I'd bet on it at this point. The one point I have against it, is that I swore Yamato made a big deal about not being able to leave onigashima after it went in the air. Which wouldn't make sense if he could fly

[abstract pond]

If Yamato joins (and it's a kirin), we'll have a deer-human and a human-part deer

[winged stirrup]

Maybe she cant leave because of something else

[abstract pond]

That's more in the sense of not abandoning Wano at the hands of Kaido, not physically unable of leaving

[remote root]

Maybe she can't fly for plot convenience oda took that power from her

[cloud saddle]

It's not Kirin.

• Kirins have hooves, Yamato doesn't. Look at Kaku, Minozebra, Minotaurus. All of them have hooves in their hybrid form, kaku doesn't even have fingers.
• Yamato has one pair of horns, but if it was Kirin she should have 2 pairs, just like Kaido ( he has 1 pair, his own and then after transofrming he gets 2nd pair, thanks to the dragon fruit, bcs dragons have 1 pair of horns). Then look at Ulti pachycephalosaurus, she has her own pair of horns there, so does yamato. Yamato horns in her hybrid form are not related to the fruit at all, but it's just her own horns.

[weary cliff]

Well his plan was to get Momo to safety, I thought

[remote root]

And will give it back once the arc is over

[weary cliff]

Counter, Dalton didn't have hooves. It's not a hard and fast rule. Zoans never have been. Also the jailer beasts were in awakened form, not hybrid

[remote root]

Then what do you suggest instead?

[abstract pond]

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BOGIyOWYxNjgtNzMzOS00MmMzLWFhYTQtMmI0Nzk0OGY4OGVlXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyNjYwMjkwMjg@._V1_.jpg

[weary cliff]

Also why would Yamato's horns shift position? That's just weird by itself even if he is Kirin lol

[cloud saddle]

can't tell right now, could be anything. I think it's not tiger either. Could be some mythical fox like Okami

[abstract pond]

same way zoans don't grow extra animal legs but their arms turn into it

[winged stirrup]

An Okami would be fuckin sick

[cloud saddle]

i just think that all the people are calling Kirin only bcs of horns

there is no other thing then Horns that can tell you its Kirin

only argument is that she has horns

[weary cliff]

The whole white wolf thing is just something capcom made up, as far as I know

[abstract pond]

Horns isn't the only argument not even the main one to say kirin

[cloud saddle]

then tell me other arguments

[weary cliff]

The horns are a big tell, but just scroll up a little bit. Ton of lore that fits

[abstract pond]

"Okami was also my first though but since someone mentioned kirin I searched and it looks more like it. The long ears are more deer than wolf, the horns, the eyebrows kinda like a faun, the flowing hair/fire in the back and elbows also suits a kirin."

[cloud saddle]

im not saying its okami

[remote root]

a flowing mane. Its body and mane are covered in brilliant, holy fire and its face is the picture of utter serenity.

[abstract pond]

"In the manga panel you can see deer ears, deer antlers, deer like mouth, faunesque eyebrowns"

[cloud saddle]

the thing is, people here and on youtube are saying like its 100% kirin

[remote root]

Not 100% but it goes close

[abstract pond]

You @cloud saddle were in the same convo before and answering so I'm guessing you ignored everything earlier

[weary cliff]

Tbf it's like 90% Even before this chapter, it was the #2 possibility

[mortal field]

The nature of Kirin is also a thing to consider. The Kirin punish those who are mean and bad people while being a symbol of peace and prosperty

[remote root]

Many say Kirin has hard scales like dragons so flowing mane is check but the scales are not

[weary cliff]

I have to wonder if the scales only appear in full zoan form. Or if Oda ditches them

[silent dock]

I mean we haven't seen his feet yet, so i don't think you can make a hard point about having hooves at this time

[remote root]

Yeah if only we would have seen his feet we would have know till now

[weary cliff]

Now if he drew the feet how are we supposed to argue for 2 weeks?

[abstract pond]

Kirin can be only partially covered in scales. And Japanese kirin is more deer than the chinese version

[cloud saddle]

• ears are just the perspective, look at this:
• antlers is just her own horns
• eyebrowns ? rly?
• there is a lot of fire related mythical beasts, okami is one of them as well

---

So where are the:

• hooves
• dragon scales
• dragon tendrils
• 2nd pair of horns
  ???

[weary cliff]

Kirin definitely doesn't need 2 sets of horns lol

• We can't tell if there are aren't hooves
• We got a straight on view of his ears, they aren't canine
• What even is an okami outside of the capcom game? Because it's not an animal

[silent dock]

And also just searching images of Qilin some have 2 horns some have 1, like all mythological creatures there is no hard science. Plus its more universally a "chimera" which allows for a variety of animals.

[cloud saddle]

yes it does, if the eater of the fruit is the race of Yamato / Kaido.

[weary cliff]

You know that Kaido isn't a Kirin, yeah?

[silent dock]

And honestly the lore is just sooo aligned with one piece plot. Like Oda doesn't pick significant things based on appearance alone, there are always parallels with the inspiration material (vikings, pirate's names based in reality, lucifer -> translation into "light/dawn bringing" -> Luffy, etc)

[cloud saddle]

what are you talking about? Yamato has her own horns, thats why after transforming with the fruit, she has horns as well. Just like Ulti

and just like Kaido, but Kaido also got horns from his devil fruit

[abstract pond]

And how can you make such a strict rule out of one single character?

@cloud saddle and why Sasaki doesn't grow and extra pair of horns?

[weary cliff]

Notice that Yamato's horns shift to his forehead. Idk why else Oda would do it other than to pull off the Kirin aesthetic, because they do fit. Why Yamato doesn't just keep his original horns is whatever you want to say about it. Oda doesn't have rules for zoans.

Ulti is easy though, it's likely she just wears horns as accessories. It's clothes

[remote root]

I think Byakko is another possibility than kirin

[grizzled fog]

Byakko was highly likely before this chapter. But I don’t think it looks like a tiger at all

[silent dock]

I heard a ton of White Tiger theories early on, but with the reveal, the lack of stripes, the lack of any solely feline features, I think Kirin has made HUGE strides. There is also lore of the Byakku that doesn't align: from wiki "It was said that the white tiger would only appear when the emperor ruled with absolute virtue or if there was peace throughout the world"

[abstract pond]

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/5lpHs23NfdXJsv3iu0OaicWF4U0ptF0i2sW--HNlwKdAZKETcNR8wRvWgycD7EwFeTJl22nb3NYFBLse_Mdp2FyalK1j-5jqjrdpl0ZT2sNFCH4QAI3g

[weary cliff]

Hooves aren't de-confirmed. The rest is up to artist interpretation. It's by no means a consistently designed creature.

If you want to shut it down, I'd put up an alternative that fits what we've seen. Something other than Okami the video game

[remote root]

There is creatures called
Myōbu
Myoubu命婦
みょうぶ

Translation: a high ranking title for court ladies
Alternate names: byakko (white fox)
Habitat: shrines and places sacred to Inari
Diet: carnivorous

Which is white fox but has alternative name byakko

http://yokai.com/myoubu/

[silent dock]

Honestly i can in the face its more fox like than tiger like thats a +1 for Byakko, but Byakko mostly refers to a white tiger. Thinking about the last zoan cat we saw with Lucci - I feel if Yamato was a tiger we would know it was based on a tiger

[grizzled fog]

Last cat zoan was who’s who

[abstract pond]

"what are you talking about? Yamato has her own horns, thats why after transforming with the fruit, she has horns as well. Just like Ulti
and just like Kaido, but Kaido also got horns from his devil fruit"

And this doesn't confirm anything either because Sasaki didn't grow an extra pair of horns

[remote root]

If you go on this website lot of white fox yokai have Byakko as alternative name it's not just white tiger

[tired osprey]

we have a white fox with onimaru already

[silent dock]

Lmao oh yeah duh - again - clearly a cat

[weary cliff]

I think tiger or fox, ears just don't look right. But mythology wise, or at least pop culture wise, Kirin is used sort of interchangeably with Byakko

[silent dock]

And it's not uncommon for oda to twist mythology. I like to think about Drum Island - Chopper is a reindeer with a blue nose who pulls a sled for an old woman with white hair. Like clearly some Santa Claus inspiration but twisted around to fit oda's imagination. We should expect perfect alignment

[abstract pond]

It could also be something none of us thought about. Until we see more of her/his form or Oda give us the name of the fruit

[eternal cave]

Sigh…okami is a wolf. Okami means wolf. And that’s a capcom video game character that’s not a real Japanese folklore beast/animal it’s not a fox nor is it real. Yamato can’t be that because it’s not a actual mystical beast 😭😭 stop bringing up capcom characters. That’s like me saying Yamato is going to turn into Akuma

[weary cliff]

Sure. The lore and design fit, but the design is loose enough to be something else

[weary cliff]

It's a pun right? Okami also means greater deity

[eternal cave]

Exactly!!! We don’t know if they has hooves yet,

[eternal cave]

Neither of these are real Japanese folklore creatures 😭😭

[eternal cave]

Yeah it’s a play on words because kami is god and you put an “O” sound in front of it to show respect , but wolf is pronounced Ookami you extend the O sound.

[abstract pond]

I'll say that Yamato's long arms feels also like a deer or similar

[pure raven]

luffy is going to be the tiger

not yamato

[vapid pollen]

agreed

[vapid pollen]

gear 4 tigerman would be a little on the nose but I'd still love to see it

[midnight elbow]

I think Shanks is Rock’s son. After the battle at god valley they discovered baby shanks and Garp decided that instead of them just killing Shanks, he would just take care of Shanks. This also reveals why Roger knew that Garp would take care of Ace when he asked him to do it. This also reveals why Shanks has a close connection to the world government

[weary cliff]

Everything there makes sense except the last point. Shanks hasn't been shown to have a connection to the WG and being Rock's son would be more reason for them not to trust him anyways

[midnight elbow]

Then why did shanks just walk up to the 4 elders like it was nothing

Or is it 5

[weary cliff]

Because he's one of the top powers of the world. And even then they basically ignored him and said he has no place there

[midnight elbow]

It’s cause he left their care

I just think he has a connection to them somehow

[vapid pollen]

I agree with space cadet but that theory is really interesting

[weary cliff]

The connection is they have a common enemy

[olive pewter]

Is it possible that year of red hair means rocks cause we might get flashback with him and maybe shanks

[weary cliff]

Yeah, I can buy Rocks D. Shanks. But if the WG knew that, they would have never taken him in. Just kill him like they tried to kill Ace

[vapid pollen]

that would be such a hype reveal hoooly

[midnight elbow]

Also maybe Rocks had the gum gum fruit but idk

[vapid pollen]

yeah I think if he's rocks son the WG doesn't know

[weary cliff]

Definitely not. Doesn't make sense with any of the reactions the older generation has had to Luffy

[vapid pollen]

I like the theory that joy boy had the gomu gomu no mi

[weary cliff]

Would be something if the "guardian deity" Hyo compared Luffy to was Joyboy's Gear 4 form from when he helped defend Wano

[eternal cave]

Hyo would have to be more than like 400-800 years old
I think Hyo was referencing the Nio/ Deva statues.

[weary cliff]

I mean that Joyboy inspired the statues in the context of the OP lore lol

[eternal cave]

Wasn’t there a theory a while back, that shanks actually works for the WG? He’s a spy within the pirate ranks to maintain the balance of power. Similar to the Warlords; just undercover

[weary cliff]

Just like how Ryuma became deified for protecting Wano

[midnight elbow]

Yeah that also could be true

Imagine if both are true

[eternal cave]

Maybe his relation to Rocks is what keeps him shackled to the WG, they threaten him in some way, forcing his hand into working for the WG. It would make sense in a way. Giving the WG a hold on the “new world” they had warlords maintaining the early stages of the grand Line

[weary cliff]

Seems much more likely to me Shanks is acting out Roger's will by keeping the peace until Luffy can take the stage. Keep the fake ones like BB out of LT

[cedar sinew]

1. Void Century doesn't necessarily mean the entire world got resetted. It just means that the info/knowledge during that time period is unknown. So of course, besides Wano/Elbaf/poles there may still be civilizations that have been preserved physically (alabasta?). But the main point is that the knowledge is gone except for poneglyphs.

I am going to assume somewhere around there is some kinda book about the void century
But there isn't. That's a wrong assumption. There only exists poneglyhs that's their entire purpose of exisistence.
The Minks still aren't an exception. They only have the land on Zuniesha which is useless without knowing how to read poneglyphs so essentially they've lost the void century as well.

It honestly feels to me like Wano made an agreement where if they burn all evidence of void century, they have a truce. But then they hid stuff? Why not just teach all citizens how to read the glyphs? Why keep this language secret? There's no clear motivation for the glyph language to be secret in Wano if they are isolated. So I think they were more like a negotiated draw.
This again, is the entire purpose of the WG's Void Century. We saw what happened when scholars tried to learn in Ohara. They were eliminated. So to answer why Wano isn't going around teaching how to read poneglyphs is because

1. There's probably no one who can do that as they've all already been killed by WG
2. It being isolated doesn't stop people like CP0 intruding

Can only speculate on Elbaf but I disagree if you think that it'll be full of people who can read the ponelyph as they "never lost the void century">

Idk how I feel about the entire pole race being able to read poneglyphs. And I don't think that'd connect with the three eye line either, because it's been stated that you can only read it if you're awakened

so it's like, either one or the other

actually I guess you can spin it and say that three eyes originate from the poles and BB awakened at a young age(?)

[modest skiff]

Thanks for the reply @cedar sinew . So forgive me if I am mistaken, but I thought Oden’s dad could read glyphs, he taught Oden never managed to teach Momo, so we are left to assume the lineage of knowledge is now gone, but I do subscribe to the belief that kitetsu is Oden pops.

Yes, sorry if that was unclear. I am saying it is possible the 3 eyed people are from the poles

lol not kitetsu, forgetting that dudes name 1 sec

[cedar sinew]

hitetsu

[modest skiff]

Thank you

And also I’m not saying all of Elbaf can read glyphs, but I do think they’ve preserved the language in some manner, whether hidden or otherwise

[modest skiff]

Also possible someone, maybe a parent, read it to him and sent him on his journey or something. Or something else shrug

[weary cliff]

The importance of being able to read poneglyphs is about to drop to zero once the SH's fulfill their purpose. It wouldn't be necessary for Momo or anyone else to have the ability

[modest skiff]

There is still lots of info on other glyphs other than one piece

I think important info regarding void century is there

[cedar sinew]

yeah. Like, I believe that there exists people around the world. The Kozuki family like you said is an example. I'm sure there are some hermits or scholars who also have similar knowledge as professor clover. But I don't think that there's any data repository base like an advanced version what was at Ohara is hidden in Wano. Because that's never been alluded to. Also, if knowldge like that were common in isolated countries, then people like Robin wouldn't be a solo big threat; there'd be a lot of Robin esque people, but so far she's the only one alive who has the knowledge.

[weary cliff]

I think it will just be made public. Or even if not I don't think the history serves that big of a purpose other than to guide the next Joyboy along whatever course needs to happen

[modest skiff]

My assumption is that wano, elbaf, others perhaps have managed to hide their repositories better than Ohara did

But you are right to point out that its essentially a baseless assumption. I am just saying that I think if they held on to the language to teach, perhaps they held on to more. But I am going beyond info with that

[cedar sinew]

I disagree but maybe they do exist, I won't outright deny the possibility.
Though, you see the reason why they don't make that info public right?

and teach it at schools, etc

I also don't think it's essentially baseless, I just think that it'd lessen Robin's role narratively as well as the terror of the WG

[modest skiff]

Yes, and just to be clear, that was why I was saying it was evidence that they hide the language. Sorry I was unclear. I was saying that if Wano felt safe having it known that they can read glyphs, meaning they are confident in their defensive capabilities, then they would teach it freely. But they don't. So I think Wano was still kind of scared of WG and also wanted to not piss them off.

So if we know they hid info to not piss them off, perhaps they hid other info, like a repository? That was my point regarding why not teach it in schools

[cedar sinew]

Well them hiding could also just mean they don't know anything/have anything to hide in the first place. The kozuki clan probably knew the importance and passed on the information by mouth. I'm still waiting for the road poneglyph reveal somewhere in Wano, maybe it'd be stored along some VC info like you said. Not necessarily how to read the poneglyph, but something else that can help Robin decipher the mystery

that can perhaps tie back into why Kaido is at Wano, Joyboy

and a Sengoku comment I noticed while I was rereading one of the chapters

somethign along the lines of "there's a reason why all these great figures are connected to wano"

[pure raven]

Yo anyone got any predictions on what yamatos devil fruit is?

[modest skiff]

Yeah, that spoke to me as well. Sengoku clearly knows a lot.

I know everyone says it is silly, but my hope is that the onigashima skull is actually a skull. The being ate the glyph and it is in his stomach, like 2 km under.

Getting back to the idea of Wano/Elbaf/Minks/Poles: My theory is that during the big war of the void century, those were the allies of the ancient kingdom that the WG couldn't quite land a killing blow on. If they were to try to "finish" Wano, they would have wasted so many resources that they may have lost to someone else. So I basically think that at one point, everyone was basically in shambles, so they just called it a "draw" where the isolated nations were left to themselves so long as they don't try to spread knowledge or learn how to read glyphs.

[modest skiff]

Read above, there was a huge conversation about it like 4 times

Thanks again for the conversation, Mai. Gotta run, see ya

[crisp sorrel]

why warned me

[cedar sinew]

read the rules

[crisp sorrel]

just a theory 😦

[pure raven]

Swag

[cedar sinew]

Dm me if you're genuinely confused

[cedar sinew]

this is basically all we've gotten regarding the 3rd road poneglyph

BM's comment makes it sound like it's not at flower capital, but the image shows FC combined with Onigashima so that's pretty ambiguous

My theory is that during the big war of the void century, those were the allies of the ancient kingdom that the WG couldn't quite land a killing blow on. If they were to try to "finish" Wano, they would have wasted so many resources that they may have lost to someone else.

I like this line of thinking, hitetsu or Oden I believe makes it clear that there was a reason why Wano closed its borders in the first place.

[spring venture]

You know, people keep saying Shanks is Makino's babby-daddy, when imo it's Sabo

[cedar sinew]

I know everyone says it is silly, but my hope is that the onigashima skull is actually a skull. The being ate the glyph and it is in his stomach, like 2 km under.
but like the skull is just on top of an island, and we even see the entire island float eliminating the possibility of its actual body being beneath

so idk how that'd work.

[spring venture]

Severed head?

[crisp sorrel]

What if a Mink ate Zoan fruit?

[cedar sinew]

yeah but Mohdoo said it's on its stomach

so is the rest of the giants body underwater? or

[spring venture]

Someone did, the turtle guy *Pekmons

[crisp sorrel]

How about they ate Hito Hito model Human *of Chopper(or model Buddha)

[spring venture]

Chopper was a regular reindeer not a Mink, but yeah a similar thing would happen

[silver moss]

Zoro dies.......

Oda already said that a straw hat is gonna die

Zoro has taken a beating through the whole series and recently took a attack for Kaido and we all know how strong he is

[eternal cave]

I think it’ll be Brook, his dream is only to be reunited with his friends. In death they can be reunited. Brook’s dream requires the least amount of work compared to the other SHP, if Zoro dies his dream goes unfulfilled. Zoro also took ALL of Luffy’s pain at once and stood standing.

[slim scarab]

Do we know Yamato's Devil Fruit already? Not sure this counts as a "theory", but imho it's a Mink one (a bit like Chopper got a human-model one).

[modest skiff]

My hope is that it died in the same position as white beard. But I think it fell over and is basically on its knees standing up. So I basically think there is a secret door or whatever to essentially travel down the bones of this giant or something. I’m assuming all the flesh would have decomposed etc, so it wouldn’t make sense for it to be in the stomach, but perhaps there are caves carved in bone……..or perhaps this whole theory of mine is grasping