manga-theories

[grand walrus]

it is a move. it has a name, dragon something. obviously there is more to it than "I hope they get intimidated"

[modest skiff]

Yeah I think he was like “so I’ve got this shit I can do and I think I can make it into a move or something”

It won’t surprise me when Zoro says he didn’t realize only some people have it

[grizzled fog]

Zoro knows what conqueror’s haki is. He should absolutely be aware it’s not something every has

[grand walrus]

he is a stupid man

[modest skiff]

Zoro isn't stupid, he's just very similar to my autistic friend. If he doesn't care about the topic, its like he isn't able to hear it. It is entirely reasonable for Zoro to have spaced out and not listened every single time

[grand walrus]

yeah true zoro is not stupid he is just single minded

[modest skiff]

I prefer to think of it as him being incredibly focused but yes single minded is also true 😄

[languid pivot]

what if it’s just oden’s haki that’s inside the sword

[modest skiff]

How specific were they that there is a transference of haki rather than awakening haki by putting haki in a sword a bunch of times?

My impression was that the haki black sword shit was more similar to the spirits on ships in that it is a result of outside influence but not actually a transference. Rather, it is creation

[pure raven]

Hmmm

[grizzled fog]

Pretty sure this was directly de confirmed in Vivre cards

[hushed harness]

Momo is Uranus

[lean finch]

gtfo out of this channel this is for theories not upright wrong statements

[hushed harness]

Name checks out

[split arch]

Is joy boy really related to Im Sama?

[wary turtle]

What if Joyboy have time time fruit power? 👀

[cyan berry]

Wouldn't work

Toki was alive 800 years ago and she had the fruit

She then traveled 800 years into the future and died with the fruit

The fruit is somewhere in the world now

[errant gale]

Does anyone think Shanks is using luffy to do what he couldn't? As in find the one piece

Since finding the secret of the one piece will cause the "world to flip over"

[wintry pelican]

I came up with some names for luffys new atacks

I think a new version of the loffys grizzly magnum should be lightning magnum

[abstract osprey]

What if joyboy had the gum gum fruit and did astonishable things with it...thats why the government was guarding it?

[oak lynx]

would have to be really really impressive things for to WG protecting it from everyone

[pastel bone]

Joyboy is buggy the clown

[ancient vault]

if it was that big of a deal luffy wouldve been hunted down by the entire organization lol

[oak lynx]

yea

[wraith helm]

i have one question why did rock attack celestial dragon

[oak lynx]

imagine the reason the WG was guarding it was bc some random celestial dragon wanted it

[pastel bone]

Dont think it's that extreme. The fruit has immense potential and hence the govt was guarding it and shanks stole it
Its just to foreshadow that we can expect another level up through luffy's DF. Awakening wise or simply by using it differently

Or, the govt wanted to do some electrical wiring and needed a rubber man

[oak lynx]

any logia and some zoan and paramecia are way better than gomu gomu and no story about WG guarding a fruit has been told besides gomu gomu so its def not bc power or potential

or maybe the awakened fruit is something really extreme we dont know about

[ancient vault]

bruh if it was that important luffy would be dead by now

[ancient vault]

meant to reply to this*

[ancient vault]

Noone knows yet but he also attacked the slaves on that island

[wraith helm]

can he be connected to joy boy

[pure raven]

the whole usopp being the sun god thing is funny but it may be true

[oak lynx]

you mean gomu gomu to joyboy?

[wraith helm]

i mean rock

[oak lynx]

hmmm idk

[harsh niche]

So CP-0 wasnt in wano to murk luffy?

[pastel summit]

we already knew that. They were there because they had a business deal with Orochi, and they stayed to confirm WW's presence.

[pastel bone]

@waxen light No cause they bought rubber slippers and that did the job

[lean finch]

im pretty sure the only attempt the WG could have made to get luffy was in dressrosa, which the navy owns a debt to him for saving dressrosa. I don't think Zou or Totto Land are their terittory at all.

[neat inlet]

i have a small theory, hope to hear what you think-

i think the connection between the sun god story and the gumo gumo fruit is a red herring

what's more likely to be actually the real connection is luffy's fire attacks

i kinda realized that it's been hinted a lot during the series that Ace, as the son of the pirate king, was supposed to inherit his place and then lead the world, however he didn't- but his will did pass on to luffy

luffy started using gumo attacks combined with fire elements, what if it's not gonna be an awakening or 5th gear that might change the course of the world- but his evolved fire attacks, which imitate what Ace used to do?

that's be more impactful than some "destined fruit"

[tropic cape]

Okay, fire attacks in one piece are caused due to friction between the air and haki. This is why others besides Luffy, such as Sanji, can create fire as well.

Unless the fire attack is born from a devil fruit like magma or the fire fruit itself

I believe this was also displayed when Zoro used a fire attack like Kin's

[neat inlet]

yeah but the key difference is how luffy uses those attacks, it's literally the same attacks as Ace's, even against Kaido his big hit was a fire bird, since ace was meant to inherit his father's will and the WG feared for both him and luffy, i think who's who talks about the rubber fruit is a distraction from what we really should talk about

[tropic cape]

This is because he was inspired by Ace, like a little brother would be, and uses similar attacks to commemorate him.

But he has also likely inherited the will of Joy Boy so we don't have to draw connections to Roger.

[fathom matrix]

well, a lot of characters can use fire attacks that don't have fire based DF, and the fire thing is a symbolism, but Rob Lucci was able to create a fire finger pistol, doflamingo created a burning string called overheat. It's just friction.

Luffy literally had to be in gear second, so use that heated blood and friction to make red hawk. He might be able to use red hawk without gear second now maybe, cause I can't recall Luffy using second gear for red hawk or red roc in the kaido fight.

His fruit IS rubber, can be create fiction, the fire is generated by friction, Devil fruits powers adapting another power by the user's doing something, isn't new.

[neat inlet]

well, gotcha

btw, also, the fact who's who asked jimbei if the sun pirates have anything to do with the sun god indicates to me they actually don't have a clear connection, at least not knowingly, so i don't think the sun god is fisher tiger, or any fishmen for that matter

[tropic cape]

And I'm still 99% sure Luffy can't create fire without using Haki to generate friction with the air. It's just that his rubber fruit works much better with the concept of generating friction than other abilities.

[fathom matrix]

well no, people are assuming Nika IS Joyboy, and as indicated by Kaido calling Luffy Joyboy, J.B seems more like a title

[fathom matrix]

Haki is also will, and Luffy is inheriting Ace's will, metaphorically speaking

[tropic cape]

Luffy has always had a stronger will than Ace. It's more like he took on the will of living for the sake of his brother.

And I think Ace was pretty confused on what he was doing which is why his Haki never developed. A little off topic, but interesting.

[neat inlet]

it's hard to tell whether joy boy is nika or not, but we know at least know this- kaido is unaware of Nika, because CP0 explicitly said they're after Who's Who and him alone, which means- they don't care about the fact Kaido knows about Joy Boy. why would they care about Nika but not about Joy Boy?

[oak mural]

ace always wanted to surpass his father not for the sake of the pk but only to satisfy his ego

[tropic cape]

I think it's more complicated than surpassing Roger. It's more like his destiny was being predetermined by his lineage (society had conceptions about him as Roger's son before he even met others) and he just wanted to escape that predetermination.

[ancient vault]

its this. He also wanted to be seen as more than just Rogers son

[tacit veldt]

Do you think Shanks knew of Rufy being Garp's grandson and Dragon's son when he entrusted his hat to him and sparked his dream?

[amber oar]

No, he entrusted him his hat because of his behavior and what he said

[tacit veldt]

I know why he did it, i'm wondering if knowing of that kid's family played a role in him deciding to sacrifice an arm to his bet

He sure knew Luffy's full name

[queen arrow]

i don't think that Luffy's family mattered for Shanks

[tacit veldt]

Did the D matter?

[amber oar]

We don't even know if he knew Luffy was a D

and honestly, "a drowning kid about to be eaten by a sea king" is already enough of a reason to go and risk your arm

I think a painful lot of people have misunderstood the "bet on the new era" line.

[peak arrow]

yo bro you might wanna calm down on them drugs but you do you

[dull sigil]

that's happened to me too bro when i took acid and shrooms at the same time

[coral niche]

oof
I didnt read that, sorry

[night jewel]

its fine, just keep it in mind now 👍

[wary magnet]

https://mobile.twitter.com/newworldartur/status/1301476436692340736?lang=en

Sungod Nika pose referenced all the way in Skypeia.

[amber oar]

yeah it's only the 350th time it's been posted in the last 5 days

[fallow knot]

We were so hyped up for who's who and now poor who's who is so damn fucked up nowhere to go. May Sun God Nika bless him 🙏🙏

[weary cliff]

Haha he served his purpose perfectly. Not only was he a nice showcase for Jinbei's first 1 v 1, his mysterious identity ended up revealing way more than anyone would think. Now theres a whole gomu gomu/Nika mystery

[waxen light]

Why was I tagged here

[lyric dust]

probably a big theory

[waxen light]

Nah it's like the dude was replying to someone but tagged me in the comment for some reason

[fiery vine]

Did shanks lose his arm after luffy ate the df or before

[modest skiff]

After, which I think supports the idea that Shanks knows the fruit is very important. If the world government wanted it for a specific purpose, it’s possible Shanks wants Luffy for that purpose. But I think it’s more likely Shanks wants Luffy to overthrow the WG

Luffy has made it a really really strong fruit but it’s possible there’s some specific thing you can do with it

[scenic thicket]

def after bc luffy could swim before

[bronze palm]

It doesn’t make sense for Who’s who to die, especially when he spilled very juicy information in 2 consecutive chapters only for him to die that quickly.

[bronze palm]

After

[fiery vine]

Interesting thank you very much

[modest skiff]

Yeah I like Vemqi saying he’ll join Kid. Good theory IMO

[dusky acorn]

Kid having two masked, very long haired blade users as both the left and right hands of his crew. This addition fits like a glove

[languid pivot]

i wonder who told luffy he was a d

[dense carbon]

probably Garp or Dadan

[hazy ferry]

wait why would ww join kid?

[grizzled fog]

We know Kid has ties to shanks, and seems to hold a grudge or some kind of reason for wanting to specifically bring him down, as he previously formed an alliance with the goal of defeating him, and this last chapter we learnt that Who’s who has a grudge on Shanks in particular for stealing the Gomu Gomu fruit. With this in mind Who’s who joining kid with Shanks as a common enemy would be a great way to strengthen Kid’s crew.

[quartz zenith]

Yes add more irrelevant characters to the irrelevant crew

[dense carbon]

actually good points, Vemqi

[hazy ferry]

oooo true

[pliant bramble]

Anyone know how blackbeard can ultilize 2 dfs?

[dense carbon]

lots of theories but nothing confirmed

[hazy ferry]

i like the idea of 3 bb brothers since there's a part where luffy and zoro goes 'it's not he, it's them'

[pliant bramble]

I know there is one thoery about how blackholes can trap informatiom in the event horizon and maybe he doesnt actaully have a second devil fruit but rather uses the information of it and essentalily copies the abilities of the gura gura

[grizzled fog]

[pliant bramble]

My crack pot theory

[scenic thicket]

i got a theory tht the real adventure starts when this ends

[pliant bramble]

@grizzled fog What I am talking about is the Black Hole Paradox which states that when an object enters a blackhole it might seem as if the said object is destroyed but the quantum information said object contained could still exist within the blackhole's event horizon which could mean what if Teach broke down the Gura Gura No Mi's abilities from whitebeard and stored it somewhere within himself. So this could mean that Teach uses certain bits of information of the Gura Gura No Mi like the earthquake punch but never the whole fruit.

[scenic thicket]

shiryu ate absalom for the invisible fruit. bb nibbled on whitebeard for his fruit

when u eat a devil fruit u become tht container for the fruit. you can b eaten just like the fruit

[visual merlin]

too nerdy

[scenic thicket]

big mom ate mother caramel

[pliant bramble]

Maybe so.

[scenic thicket]

buggy is in sooo many arcs its ridiculous tht he wouldnt b instrumental to the end of this series. Hes got laughtale tatted on his face

for example captain johns treasure map tht was set up in impel down

[pliant bramble]

So probably ate a piece of whitebeard and gained the abilities of the Gura Gura No Mi and since he has an abnormal body (probably due to consuming the yami yami) he can nulify the effect of having 2 devil fruits and thats why he doesnt explode?

[scenic thicket]

nah he has more then one body thts why zoro & luffy refered to them as "they" during mocktown

also look @ his flag

[grizzled fog]

I see

[weary cliff]

lol nah if pre-haki Luffy/Zoro casually picked up on something that freakish that not even his yonko crew realized that would make no sense. They knew Teach wasn't alone on Jaya

[pastel summit]

they already had run ins with his crew, and Doc Q also talking about fate basically pins him as similar to BB.

[scenic thicket]

theyve been building up how different his body is, especially since he doesnt sleep. Marco confirmed it, shanks confirmed it

[pastel summit]

this is highly unlikely as well. The Yami Yami is a known power, so it having some hidden factor that seemingly no one knew about is very... odd.

[grizzled fog]

Having a weird body does not equate to having multiple bodies or souls or whatever

[scenic thicket]

it would b why shiryu was talking abt disbanding if it didnt work. they pitched him the idea during impel down

[pastel summit]

that doesn't explain why only luffy and zoro were the only 2 people ever to have noticed he has multiple souls.

[weary cliff]

The mocktown quote simply has nothing to do with whatever is going on

[pliant bramble]

@pastel summit My crack-pot theory

[grizzled fog]

Also why would luffy and zoro realize he has multiple souls when even Marco didn’t lmao

[scenic thicket]

marco and shanks noticed something up abt him

[pastel summit]

We've also not seen anything WB could do with the fruit that Blackbeard hasn't.

Yes, Marco knew he didn't sleep because they were on the same crew for 20+ yrs. Shanks was just saying BB was strong and dangerous.

[split stone]

Is nika joyboy

[grizzled fog]

Probably not

The story of Nika predates even Joyboy is my guess

[weary cliff]

One or the other. After all, Joyboy probably had an actual name. Nika story could be before he got the title

[scenic thicket]

marco said his body was the reason he could hold 2 fruits...

[grizzled fog]

He literally just said he had a weird body. If anything that implies he and no idea about the extent of teach’s weirfness, nothing about that implies he knew of multiple souls or something

[split stone]

What if joy boy was the first member of the kozuki clan and that's why momonosuke is able to talk to all things and not only hear it like Roger and Luffy does

[scenic thicket]

if hes lying abt the darkness taking in everything. which is why he can be affected by physical shots despite being a logia

im not saying multiple souls. he could have absorbed a twin in uetero

[grizzled fog]

The only thing momo seems to be able to communicate with that Luffy can’t in Zunisha

[weary cliff]

For all we know, Zunesha heard Luffy and didn't care. Or Luffy has only just got the power to project his voice

[scenic thicket]

this goes back to the multiple bodies but its the reason I believe teach eats EVERY first shot in all his battles

[trim flicker]

Rn to me the cerberus fruit makes the most sense but who knows

[toxic mural]

so it's confirmed that Shanks stole it, what a G

[sand sail]

Did you not read chapter 1?

[toxic mural]

chapter one says didn't steal it from the GV

[sand sail]

GV?

[toxic mural]

government

[queen arrow]

what, you thought Shanks had stolen it from someone else who stole it first from the goverment?

[toxic mural]

no, but as many people "it must be confirmed"

[queen arrow]

fair enough

[sand sail]

But it was confirmed that he stole it, just not from whom

[toxic mural]

because nowadays it's how u convince them

[toxic mural]

yeah, what i meant is it's confirmed he stole it from the gv and not from another pirate crew

because this can untie many ties Shanks being related to the GV

[queen arrow]

yeah what he's saying is that it wasn't confirmed that Shanks had stolen it from Who's Who directly

[queen arrow]

hopefully

[strong heath]

guys i got a theiry

about ancient weapons nami is uranus

is that hood

good

[queen arrow]

no

[amber oar]

Nami-swaaaaan, can I see Ur-anus?

[sleek notch]

😳

[blissful vale]

Quick manga theory Luffy becomes the pirate king

[river tinsel]

i neva thought of that

[scenic thicket]

too obvious oda wouldnt do tht 🙄

[river tinsel]

ion know man, maybe

[cloud venture]

jukusuru
Definition

SURU VERB - SPECIAL CLASS, INTRANSITIVE VERB
to ripen
to mature
Definition
to be ready for action
to be the right time (to act)
Definition
to be in common use
to come to sound natural
Definition
to become skilled
... This is the word being used for shinobus devil fruit.
Is it at all possible that Momonoske will enter this war as a man with the use of her fruit?

[strong heath]

wanna know why nami is uranus uranus is a weather based weapon nami is a very good navigator weapon user also remember when she started@talking to shirahoshi and she said i feel like i’ve known you since i was small it’s foreshadowing that they knew each other as weapons

when they where younger

nami is uranus aka weather godess

[sharp umbra]

sheeeesh

[lapis prairie]

How popular is the theory that Marco will join the SHs?

[dusky acorn]

Nami's navigational skills are amazing and all, but how exactly does that relate to ancient weapons at all? It's not as though she can control the weather itself

And I don't know, ever since learning that Pluton is a ship, and Neptune is a person that's a weapon, I feel like what Oda is doing here is keeping all 3 entirely unique

[lapis prairie]

I kinda think it may be the massive egg on Rogers ship, but that's only cause I want the egg to be SOMETHING

Like that egg better matter somwhow

[dusky acorn]

Not repeat the same concept and base behind Neptune is, a person. I like to think Uranus could be a devil fruit, but who knows really

[lapis prairie]

oh true maybe

[dusky acorn]

Egg will definitely matter yeah

[coarse hinge]

Some theory outside there says Xebec was Goro Goro no Mi (Lightning DF) user before Enel. That potentially be true, since WG needs Gomu Gomu so badly maybe for face him.

How y'all think about that?

[queen arrow]

kinda of a stretch

[weary cliff]

Rocks was out of the picture long before the gomu gomu situation

[ancient vault]

I think its a dragon egg which he got from god valley

[hazy ferry]

the ancient weapons has to be a trio of some sort and i can only think of it being past(poiseidon, the power to control beings that have been around since the dawn of time probably), present(guns and machinery of the current era), and future(some kind of advanced technology/being which when paired with the fact that uranus is the god of the sky, im thinking something on the moon, with all teh automatas)

[coarse hinge]

Who's anyone here which the one of author of this site?
opfanpage.com

[unkempt monolith]

i think uranus was something related to pirate things, just like mermaid ( neptunus ) and pluto ( ship )

[split hornet]

We have the sun god Nika and we have sunny the ship, coincidence?

[pure raven]

[hazy ferry]

And its the thousand sunny.....the void century started about 900 years ago, almost a millenium, i.e. a thousand years........

[queen wind]

Woawm......

[fathom matrix]

I wouldn't be surprised that much and I could see it like, we have a biological weapon, an inorganic weapon and a mystical weapon. Hell, maybe Dragon does have the storm storm fruit but it's nicknamed or titled "Uranos"...but at the same time that wouldn't make too much sense, so maybe not, IDK either.

[tired osprey]

feels like if it an ancient weapon would be a DF, then it would be Blackbeards darkness fruit already

i like to think uranus is related to the old dragons that died out and the monster one shot, basically poseidon but for the sky, but maybe that feels cheap and boring since we already got poseidon

[pure raven]

do u guys think franky memorized the blueprint of the pluton?

[hazy ferry]

hes a cyborg i wouldnt be surptised if he programmed it into his brain or something.

[tired osprey]

for sure

[ancient vault]

god valley 🕺

I think its gonna be sth related to space maybe

[zinc iris]

I'm still on my spaceship theory

[ancient vault]

Im on my artificial solar eclipse theory

[scenic thicket]

ive said this b4 and ill say this again, Dragon has uranus thts why hes flying around everywhere

[warm hollow]

If he had an ancient weapon I don't think the govt would just let him roam around as he pleases

[split hornet]

Ship of dreams

[crude spear]

imagine if enel comes.back

[split hornet]

But could that be the reason Blackbeard was kinda after dragon and his base

[crude spear]

right but utimately the world government was who attacked dragon and his original base

[split hornet]

Baltigo had some ancient ruines too

[crude spear]

iirc a member of Blackbeard's crew was a stowaway, and informed them or something. tbh I don't exactly remember lel

oh that's true too. baltigo being the ancient Kingdom y/n?

[split hornet]

Looks very similar to that ancient kingdom sketch

[crude spear]

true

[vast perch]

If that so they wouldnt just quickly abandon baltigo and have new bade right? Looks like baltigo isnt as important

[crude spear]

I mean, unless dragon and co don't know about it's history themselves; they just used it because it was abanonded and also not well known

[vast perch]

Yea thats possible

[crude spear]

additionally, something I'd like to see explained is how exactly people like Franky and queen became cyborgs

[vast perch]

Also is baltigo just abandoned now? like bb or marine doesnt meddle with anything there

[split hornet]

I don't remember why Blackbeard pirates where there, but they only move to take something

[crude spear]

I mean what. Franky himself was hit by a train right? You know how much damage those things do to a person?

[split hornet]

Probably with equipments, machines

[crude spear]

actually as I recall Blackbeard did it to take out the revolutionaries, as a means to join the government as a warlord

[split hornet]

I see

[crude spear]

so that he could be involved in the marineford battle

[split hornet]

Thought he told Luffy he wanted him killed for that

[vast perch]

No it was ace capture bb attacks baltigo was already in the new world its dressrossa arc

Your memory really miss too far ol

[crude spear]

yeah sorry

I dont think it's explained why Blackbeard attacked dragon unless it was to get at their weapons

[inland prism]

e

[pastel summit]

Weapons is the only given reason atm I believe.

[reef grotto]

didn't burgess end up there by chance?

maybe they just wanted to retrieve him

while they were at it, they tried getting some of their DFs

[scenic thicket]

burgess tracked sabo down bc he was mad he didnt get to eat the flare fruit from dressrosa

[reef grotto]

he didn't, he just sneaked away in a random boat and it happened to be his

[fathom matrix]

What if the gum gum fruit was the first devil fruit, but it was treated like a toy?

Like Nika/joybpy was it's first user, but it was used like a play thing or something to have fun with, but when the world government/century stuff happened, they started the development of new, stronger devil fruits

Cause, there are a lot of weak fruits or simple fruits, but rubber seems like a very very simple ones, that would be used for anything really, UNTIL luffy was able to use like he did, with his gears, gum gum moves, lightning resistance, combat style, but that was luffy figuring out out how to use it like that.

[proven barn]

shanks must’ve had some reason to want that fruit

[paper bloom]

he was hungry

[proven barn]

yeah just eat a devil fruit if you hungry, whats the worst that could happen lol

[oak mural]

ace eat mera mera no mi like that only right lol

[proven barn]

luffy too ig

[paper bloom]

luffy did exactly that

[proven barn]

i think he did it out of pure stupidity as much as anyone knows about his hunger issues

like hey look i found a fruit. let me just eat it

[paper bloom]

he did put of pure hunger

[proven barn]

doesnt think twice when he sees anything edible

[paper bloom]

even helmeppo was living like a king while a marine vice admiral's grandson had to steal fruits from pirates because he was hungry

[split hornet]

I reread it and nami questioned why would Blackbeard clash with the revolutionary army, Luffy answered maybe because of sabo and Burgess clash but Pedro goes on saying Blackbeard clashed with cipher pol there too before fleeing

Very odd

[reef grotto]

you have to reread the end of dressrosa, burgess literally shores up to their island alongside them

[proven barn]

BB has been pretty smart

[reef grotto]

he hides behind a rock and says to the snailphone "guys I'm at the revolutionary HQ come pick me up"

[paper bloom]

if he attacked revolutionaries, he would've had a strong reason. Or just to save burgess

But since there are devil fruit users in the army they could have targeted them as well

Btw does anyone have any idea what happened to Sabo

[split hornet]

I think it's clear revolutionary arm definitely have something

[oak mural]

bb wanted weapons which place will have more weapons than ra army hq its as simple as that

[proven barn]

i dont think BB is someone whod just barge in on enemy territories unplanned. hes more like lure your enemy to how youd get the advantage against them type of pirate. probs why he didnt raid on revolutionaries back then

[split hornet]

Why would you even clash with cipher pol and after destroying baltigo

[paper bloom]

maybd cipher pol followed the revolutionaries and got there when bb pirates were leaving?

[split hornet]

Nah don't think so he plans his moves very well, timing too

[proven barn]

yeah thats what i was trying to say. hes a sneaky bastard

[split hornet]

Look alone how shanks described him when speaking with Whitebeard

Btw you guys seen the theories of the inspiration of joyboy being jayabaya? Old indian king

[fathom matrix]

Shanks probably held on to the fruit, because it had something to do with the void century and joyboy, and with the hat and death of his captain, HE was gonna carry on Rogers's will and maybe that fruit was something he was going to eat, but luffy ate it, the sea king stuff happened, but decided that kid would inherit his will.

So he was going to eat it, but because Luffy beat him to the punch and had the strive to be a pirate, Shanks decided to bet on him instead

[pure raven]

Chapter 595 is the chapter where pieces start moving towards Kaidou's arc.
95 itself can mean koi... take or leave it.

In this chapter we have Law with a plan (that involved not fighting Blackbeard, and we all know what that plan is).

Drake goes into that "favorite island" of Kaidou's to get his attention.

Apoo, the Kaidou subordinate, makes an appearance.

[BB, Bonney and Akainu stuff that could be related, but since Bonney is in the center, I see it as a piece moving towards the reverie, which happens alongside Wano]

Doflamingo (important in Kaidou's plot) talking to a government agent that looks like CP-0, also involved in Wano and Onigashima. - they talk about Moria.

I think this already establishes that Oda was starting to build the plot of Wano within the story, so it's not out of the ordinary to think he'd put some details about Wano's arc into this chapter.

Now after this we have Chopper and Sanji's timeskip locations. With Chopper, we have a tribe with a tattoo that looks like Who's Who's, and Chopper is dressed like a superhero, calling himself "Chopper Mask" (seems oddly familiar).

In Sanji's side, we have him starting his journey to learn Attack Cuisine fighting against the Newkama Kenpo masters who are trying to make him an okama. So what's the conclusion?

Newkama Kenpo Sanji is coming in Onigashima

[pure raven]

Newkama Kenpo Sanji, what does that mean?

[lost moat]

I just realized that if Robin had Arament Haki she would be broken as hell

[pure raven]

explain

[pure raven]

Sanji using Newkama Kenpo attacks

[reef grotto]

I wonder if tashigi will ever touch enma and be hit by the curse

someone touching enma beside zoro is a thing that should happen imo

[pure raven]

luffys awakening could make him more like katakuri and his mochi df, natural rubber is harvested in form of latex from the rubber tree, later being refined for sale, its fluid, sticky and water-proof.

[pure raven]

yeah fhat would be fun. wonder when he ll put on raid suit

i think the east blue five are based on Odin, Thor, Frey, Loki and Freya.

[modest skiff]

I think she would die if she touched enma

[twilit talon]

What are y’all’s theories on luffys gear 6

Or would it be considered his awakening

[modest skiff]

Does anyone have any theories on how BB is so effective at recruiting? What do you guys think he says or does to show he’s the team people wanna be on?

Personally I think BB has something stored in himself that is super important or amazing and him having it means he’s ahead of everyone else in some specific regard

[ancient vault]

it could be the similar ability to luffy. Might just be charisma

[modest skiff]

In my head this isn’t likely because he manages to convince people in very short amounts of time. I think only something like “proof” would pull people to his side so immediately and completely

Shiryu is the main reason I think BB is able to show someone something. That was so fast

[pure raven]

What is the One Piece?

One piece is a weapon on Raftel, created by the people of the moon, Birkans (some references there are in skypea), that allow to join all the 4 seas into the all blue sea (all sea in a one piece). At this point a new war will begin between the discedent of the birkans(who have the D in the name) and the mondial government.

Why Roger doesn't activate the one piece? Because he was sick and did not have much time to start this new phase.

[plush hornet]

no, roger didnt continue because they were too early, they needed the poseidon

[pure raven]

It is the same thing, he doesn't the time to start the new phase

[split hornet]

Do you guys think Luffy will wield a sword later ? Roger had no sword either when he probably was like luffys age and also Nika having one

[modest skiff]

I think we already got the Luffy sword fanservice I wanted. I don't need it and I'm not sure I want it since he has put zero effort into learning how to use a sword

[queen arrow]

what makes you think Roger didn't always fight with a sword, also no, Luffy fights with his fists

Luffy isn't Roger, he doesn't need to be exactly the same

[modest skiff]

Oda wouldn't be as good of a writer as he is if he simply wrote things based on comparisons. Some things are clearly comparable or have persistent themes but I don't think we can use it as a form of deduction

[queen arrow]

and we already have Zoro as the guy who fights with swords

Brook as well

Luffy doesn't have any interest in learning any form of swordsmanship

[split hornet]

I mean i guess he got his sword later, had no sword when he met Rayleigh

[oak lynx]

nah too many sword users, luffy already got his df

[pure raven]

Best sworders haven't df

[scenic thicket]

if everything was based on comparisons this would b naruto

[mint stag]

Based on the last chapter 1018, I guess it's safe to assume luffy's devil fruit is a big deal. Maybe its awakening is super special? Idk

[mint stag]

Fists run in the family imo lol I like that luffy just uses his body rather than weapons, it's hard af

[pure raven]

So you think dragon too is fist user😁

Finally a power reveal

[mint stag]

Haha I mean it's a possibility but I see what ya mean

[split hornet]

I prefer fist too but was just thinking about it, wouldn't be bad Luffy having a 12th grade weapon tho lol, cuz i saw him dressed as Roger together with nami and zoro

[pure raven]

I think Dragon is a fist dude considering he gripped Smoker’s thing so he strikes me as a hands on guy

Maybe choke out a celestial dragon himself who knows be pretty pog

[night yarrow]

Check Mr Gentle from my hero academia, he even can turn the air into rubber, that would clearly be a counter to WB fruit..

[pure raven]

That kinda becomes null and void when the topic of haki comes

[steel forum]

if i remember correctly , the D. people are often called demons , what
if the people of the kingdom of the past somehow they turned themselves
into devilfruits or Imu or the WG did it? , and they put the D. initial
to the next generations of the people sacrificed/turned into
devilfruits?, maybe somehow some descendents would have some affinity
with the people of the past/devilfruit and they are more likely to
awaken the fruit or adopt their personality , or that it was an ancient weapon that has the power to reverse the effect or turn them into fruits

[rigid wadi]

Who do you think that will face each Titanic Captain?

[mint stag]

Yoo what if one of the 12th grade weapons was like gauntlets or something like that

[split hornet]

I believe theyre called 12 grade swords

[mint stag]

Oh yeah lol dont mind my dumbass

[split hornet]

Meitos, all good lol one piece can make you dizzy

So if a great grade sword becomes black does it become a supreme grade then?

[grizzled fog]

Nah

[pure raven]

Yes

@split hornet yes

[split hornet]

Yeah i thought so cuz old man told zoro enmas rank may be raised

[reef grotto]

luffy just uses fists because he was raised by garp

it's not genetic lol

[fathom matrix]

yeah, cause I remember that when your sword become a black blade, it does rise through the ranks, BUT it doesn't like become one of the top 12 instantly, it can be a very poor, but when it becomes a black blade, it may get to around the mid tier perhaps, but never the top rank.

because the original blade's temper and craftsmanship can be any degree, but the armament enhancement is just an extra layer on top of that.

[pure raven]

Heard this idea somewhere else but the idea is that one of the CP0 members on Wano is Vegapunk. Maybe the guy Orochi shot in the face

[quasi roost]

Nah, Vegapunk is too important a character to be bought in without any protection tbh. he is Navy's secret weapon so they would not allow him to go to Wano without major support

[livid cypress]

Luffy should simply carry around a sword because it makes him feel cooler, he won’t be intrested in learning about it because he’s a knuckle guy

Since Kitetsu’s are known to curse their users, if luffy abandons it maybe some sort of horror will befall him, they make it super clear that its cursed. Only reason why zoro isn’t heavily inflicted with curses is because he is a good owner

[grizzled fog]

Zoro seems to just be lucky, probably not about being a good owner

[split stone]

Theory: The D means ||Dereshishishi|| and that's why they all die smiling, because this is very funny

[scenic thicket]

skypeia rlly is the formula to the whole series

[lapis prairie]

He can give them devil fruits

[scenic thicket]

well he atleast knows how to transfer them from one person to another. By eating the person

[quaint relic]

D means dawn

[pure raven]

nah luffys passive luck is to high

[quaint relic]

D means dawn or dusk because the Ds are the only one capable of changing an era into something good or bad

[scenic thicket]

d means dawn bc ace had a premonition of luffy during the dawn after hiding the treasure. luffy is the sun god because he is bringing the dawn of a new era. if u took every character in the series and could only describe them with two words he would b the only one to match joyboy

[proud tree]

so the D in Marshall D Teach means Dawn too? Or Darkness?

[scenic thicket]

I think it would b cool if it was dusk. realistically since this is a kids show they might b the same just for simplicity sake, dawn can just mean the dawn of smth.

[split slate]

With the black lighting surrounding Jinbei, is there a chance he also has CoC?

[proud tree]

Blackbeard seems like the other side of the coin compared to all the other Ds ... maybe D just stands for Destruction of an old Order

[grizzled fog]

the black lightning surrounding jinbe does not indicate coc in any way. So it’s not likely he has coc

[scenic thicket]

thn i’m just doubling down on dusk bc thts the opposite of dawn

[agile vapor]

am i the only one who thinks the D is a phase of the moon rather than a letter?

[weak arrow]

No

A smile, phase of the moon, dawn, and devil are the most popular theories

[agile vapor]

oh nice

[proud tree]

Imu decides on lights to be erased from history ... sounds like they want to erase something shining bright ... like sun god nika?

[whole jewel]

Tbh with Doflamingo and katakuri having awakening I don’t see why Kaido and his higher ranking couldn’t too. I really think that there is another level past hybrid form like chopper’s monster point where their devil fruit goes berserk but in this case, the strength of these zoan users would probably give them control like post time skip chopper

Imo Who’s Who and Queen went into hybrid too early

And Luffy kept up with hybrid kaido for the most part in base

[weak arrow]

Definitely not too early

[whole jewel]

Sanji hasn’t even used raid suit

And forces queen to go hybrid

[weak arrow]

And he’s still outpacing queen’s big clunky Dino form

What do you want him to do, keep getting outpaced?

As for who’s who, a fair amount of the reader base think he and Jinbe are done.

[whole jewel]

I’m saying Queen should go into awakening and sanji into raid suit

[pastel summit]

Who's Who went hybrid too early? If anything, he went hybrid too late.

He was fighting Jinbei for like an hour before he used it.

[whole jewel]

That was more or less jimbei getting picked on and Who’s Who wasn’t forced into the 1v1

[weak arrow]

I’m just sort of confused by the logic or maybe how you’re presenting it

You’re making it sound like awakening should be used before hybrid form

[whole jewel]

Awakening after hybrid

[pliant kindle]

wasn't the awakened of the zoan users alrealdy showed in impel down?

[whole jewel]

Yeah

[weak arrow]

Well then who’s who and queen didn’t go into hybrid too early

[pastel summit]

Well, my personal theory is that WW did use awakening anyway. and Queen hasn't lost yet.

[whole jewel]

I think when their hybrid fails they will rely on awakening. I have a feeling that the matchup with kaido will not just be about king’s haki but also the extent of their fruits

And awakening for zoans was noted to give them exponentially more physical capabilities although they seem to lose control and revert to some instincts

[pastel summit]

that last part is not confirmed.

[whole jewel]

They also retain attributes from both their fruit and their regular form like a hybrid form

[whole jewel]

It was in impel down. Whether or not it was officially stated in the manga or by oda is not known to me

[pastel summit]

It's not confirmed that those awakened zoans "lost control" and "revert" due to awakening. I don't think they even really lost control in any way.

[pliant kindle]

i could be that they have more physical capabilities from the get-go instead of something wil active because i dont remember the jailer going insane

[pastel summit]

they were in control of their own actions.

[grizzled fog]

Them losing control as part of their awakening doesn’t make sense anyway

And the jailer zoans in impel down were in control fine. I don’t know why some people seem to think they were acting like feral monsters, they didn’t speak surr. But they pretty much just did what they were told

[dusky acorn]

Guards of impel down were fine enough as a fighting force yeah

[whole jewel]

It really does if you look at Chopper. They were most likely forced awakenings like Chopper’s drug

[dusky acorn]

Tbh even the Numbers we've seen here had less control than them, though that was in part due to their drinks

[pastel summit]

but they didn't lose control. Give impel down a reread. They were all in control of their actions.

[dusky acorn]

And it's not like guards were randomly attacking allies or anything

[grizzled fog]

Chopper’s rumble ball has never been stated or implied to be awakening anyway. But the reason it didn’t make sense is because awakening is supposed to be the pinnacle of mastery of your devil fruit, pretty much the highest level of skill you can have with your fruit and it gives you less control? Really? It should be the opposite if anything

[whole jewel]

Ofc but we never got confirmation that they did have their same intelligence before awakening

[merry lynx]

Maybe forced by Vegapunk but with no adverse side effects

[dusky acorn]

I don't know if we can project that far to forced awakenings being possible when the actual process behind awakening itself is unknown

[whole jewel]

Actually it has been implied when Chopper’s devil fruit is described to go berserk, it’s a higher level of strength hidden in the devil fruit not the drug. The drug simply being the catalyst to force this change

[dusky acorn]

If that's the case, is it only for Zoans? Or could other fruit types do it

[whole jewel]

We haven’t seen anything past doflamingo and katakuri but I wouldn’t see why not, in the case of other fruits I think it might just be the inability to control said power

[pastel summit]

Well, we know rumble balls fuck with the wavelength or w/e of zoan transformations, so it's possible it's incorporating some degree of awakening with monster point, but it could be like, some kind of amalgamation of transformations.

[whole jewel]

Ofc it might not be the exact awakening but it does show us there is the capability to force more power out of devil fruits

And it can only be implied as awakening but in short I think kaido and his crew will have mastered it without the aid of a drug and will hopefully show us some more power past their hybrid forms

[dusky acorn]

I feel like if there was an easier, but riskier way to awaken such as by some method of force, they'd have been more prevalent by now

Kaido especially seems like a guy who would be fine with his forces all reaching that awakened state, even if they become as dumb as Impel Down guards (I don't personally believe this is why they lacked intellect, but going with the theory)

[pastel summit]

Anyway, I'll shill this bit here just because it's on topic. #also-manga message

[weak arrow]

I'd say that's more of a design choice due to the tattoos

[whole jewel]

The Impel Down guards were controlled by Sadi and kept in check that way. I think if there is a forced awakening type deal it would be similar to chopper’s monster point

[pastel summit]

doesn't change the top and bottom being very similar though.

[weak arrow]

I mean, even kaku had abs in his giraffe hybrid

[whole jewel]

I think it’s more or less to resemble Rob Lucci plus Who’s Who hasn’t grown to the size of the guards yet lol

[pastel summit]

Yes but he had the dumb mask face. while WW doesn't.

[whole jewel]

That’s almost why I think awakening will just be a step further from hybrid.

[dusky acorn]

If this is what forced awakening will be, then it's basically an unmastered Sulong transformation just on standby, like how Pekoms was supposed to go berserk

I don't know if I'd like this idea if it ends up taking from that

[scenic thicket]

lol i bet the govt kidnaps vivi

[sharp shale]

Wat^

[grizzled fog]

If who’s who is awakened I’d be a little disappointed if he went down in a one hit personally, even if it is from one of jinbe’s strongest moves

[pastel summit]

It wasn't really 1 hit though.

broken fingers then broken wrist, then he chucked him and THEN he hit him. Being KO'd in 1 hit is fine for awakened zoans, happened to the impel down guards also, but they just get up real quick.

so WW will probably get up quickly, just AFTER Jinbei already beat him and left.

[grizzled fog]

Mayhaps.

[dusky acorn]

Even if Who's Who is conscious right after the attack, it may as well be in his best interest to just play dead for Jinbei to leave lol. Don't have a firm grasp of his character to say that's what he'd do for sure though

Sometimes he appears very bold and overconfident, and others he sorta comes off as well.. a pussycat lol

[grizzled fog]

I can actually imagine him playing dead for a bit lol

[bronze palm]

Who’s who isn’t dead because it doesn’t make sense for a character to spill very juicy information in 2 consecutive chapters, only for them to have died, in which doesn’t make sense at all

[wary crow]

Oda is using Who's Who to give us major information, change my mind

[waxen light]

I like it. The Tobi Roppo are basically the only ones we've seen that don't follow the conventional hybrid form aside from the jailers, huh?

[pastel summit]

yeah. aside from drake.

[wary crow]

but one has to agree that hybrid who's who is wide af and wider than wide putin

[modest skiff]

Unless we find some kinda journal etc

[frank wind]

k

[cedar sinew]

Who’s who served his purpose of giving jinbe a spotlight matchup and hinting VC/joyboy

He’s not dead because villains don’t die but he’s most likely not gonna be relevant moving forward

I expect next chap to cover a different matchup or go back to yamato and kaido

@untold wigeon not the right channel go to #anime

[modest skiff]

So do you think CP0 basically just yoinks him now that he got smacked up? I think that's entirely possible but I still think Law/Kid gaining new members is possible too. WW feels like a good addition to either one. I would like to see other crews gain members rather than just SH

[cedar sinew]

Yeah Cp0 just needs him to stop talking. Also, if you look at how big matchup arcs like alabasta/dressrosa/EL flow, they set up major battles w/ the allies vs enemies, and each character takes turns (2-3) chapters with their big moment. Who's who couldn't just been a random tobbi roppo tbh but Oda decided to make him drop hints about the vc which is great. But more importantly, Jinbe's final attack vs who's who seemed critical/good enough to be a finisher. And since he seems to have said evreythign he knows I don't see him coming back other than for 1-2 final panels

I don't think whos who is joining anywhere. There's no real reason for him to join law or kid. Law seems fairly selective about his crew members, I can sorta see him joining kid.

though we haven't really seen anything like a previous antagonist joining an allied pirate crew so idk. Closest we've gotten is jean bart joining law which doesn't really count

[modest skiff]

Yeah, and if anything, if people think "well he can't be done now when he has so much left to tell us"....I'd argue that's support for him being removed xD Oda would love to tease us with implications that WW knows a lot and yet got captured by CP0

[modest skiff]

I think its extremely likely CP0 captures WW, but if he doesn't, it feels like WW would have to end up joining someone else

[cedar sinew]

ye he definitely told enough imo. His name which most likely references joyboy, his silhouette, his title, his possible relations with the fishmans, etc

well WW can always live it easy somewhere else

[modest skiff]

And he also basically showed us that Jinbe knows more than we realized. There seemed to be implications that Jinbe has a personal connection that we haven't fully understood yet

[cedar sinew]

yeah I got that too. My prediction is that a similar topic will come up towards the end of Wano, or maybe at the beginning of the next arc, whenever we get an exposition dump Jinbe will flashback to his dialogue with WW

which could be possibly a new piece of dialogue that wasn't shown from us

and then fully explain what he knows

[modest skiff]

I think its more likely (or maybe I just hope) that we will get a Jinbe flashback as a result of the allusions to Jinbe's past which might answer some of these questions about Nika. For example Jinbe might at least have some sort of confirmation they existed or that they were 100% a fishman or something like that. Pure speculation but I think its implied at this point that if they were a fishman, Jinbe has some sort of knowledge or rumor or something

[tired osprey]

its fine, WW isnt ko:ed yet anyway, can say that with a certainty, he was just screaming, you dont scream when youre koed.

[stoic hedge]

On the latest chapter we got this panel https://imgur.com/4RGQFx7
it says luffy inherited both straw hat and gum gum fruit so is it a foreshadowing that the Gol D Roger also had gum gum fruit they haven't shown it yet or anything like he had a devil fruit but there is a possibility because of this sentence what do you guys think?

[royal plaza]

Here's a theory I had for who could have told WHo's who about the sun god Nika https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/oe2hd8/a_theory_ive_been_spending_way_too_much_time_on/

[untold wigeon]

i know but i just saying

[tired osprey]

[royal plaza]

Indeed

[crimson pond]

Momo gonna turn into a big ass pink dragon like that one cover hundreds of chapters back with Luffy and them posted up next to a huge pink Chinese dragon

[ancient vault]

1. The skulls are just a inworld fashion brand. Jinbei had those too
2. Whos who was most likely not in impel down because noone except for shiki and luffy managed to escape out of ID. He said he escaped as soon as the guard disappeared

[royal plaza]

Yeah don't worry, I already realised why my theory can't work

[ancient vault]

https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/one-piece-discussion-theory-the-poneglyph-system-contains-spoilers.6356/#post-607001

This is a very nice read

[orchid hemlock]

do yall think the I in one "One Piece" is related to the depictions of sun god and luffy?

[ancient vault]

the I? What does the i have to do with luffy or the sun god

[heavy stirrup]

Oh do you mean how the I in the title looks like luffy

I don’t think it has anything to do with nika I feel like it’s just a style for the title

[orchid hemlock]

gotcha, im just high and hyped lol

[heavy stirrup]

I’m super hyped about what coming next as well but I feel like a lot of people like to overthink things that happen

[orchid hemlock]

i just want the lore tbh

[heavy stirrup]

Same

Wait has anyone talked about black beard on this

And how he has multiple devil fruits

[nocturne bison]

Whos whos is a double agent

[fallow knot]

One piece is lots of meat and booze so in the end luffy and zoro will kill rest of the crew so they can get it all. 😂

[opaque pivot]

Smh

[ancient vault]

Serious theories only here

[jovial rivet]

Imagine it is acc who's who

[scenic thicket]

watch the guard tht told who’s who b bon clay

someone who is in impel down who can change appearance and i lives in level 5.5, still crazy how he survived magellan i bet blackbeard and shiryu fought him

luffy is the sun god bc he’s gonna bring dawn on a new era btw

[rigid wadi]

Im seeing many people worried about Luffy being the "chosen one" of many prophecies

Having like a destiny he has to do, contrary to all the "free Spirit" he has been saying during those +1000, chapters

Like...... People just want a free crazy man that becomes stronger and do crazy stuff to become Pirate King, not that suddenly Gomu Gomu seems really important, Straw hat too(Joy Boy related, the gigant Straw Hat statue.....), Kaido making the Joy Boy coment.....

[amber oar]

I'm starting to wonder if WW was even in Impel Down, a lot of stuff doesn't add up. ID is the most important prison but may not be the only one (we still don't know where's Arlong for that matter).

WW's wording sounds like he just decided to break out one day, if he had taken the chance when Luffy/Teach broke in, he would have said it. But given ID's reputation, he couldn't have broken out before that. So it had to be after that. But at the same time, it would be weird that he missed BB's level 6 game, although possible.

On the other hand, as a former CP9 it wouldn't make sense for WW to be sent anywhere else.

[visual merlin]

yea he wasn't in Impel down

this last chapter practically confirms it with his dialogue about his escape

he could've been a slave I guess

[scenic thicket]

he just says a prison, i wonder if we’re getting a new prison location revealed or the timeline didn’t fit so oda was just vague

anyway luffy == joyboy == sungod

[amber oar]

for Oda it would have been super easy to just make WW one of those level 6 escapées. But he didn't

In regards to the destined child thing, I don't see Luffy that way, not yet at least. He's just one of several running for the title one way or another, and earning it by merit. Of course he will be because MC, but he doesn't have to be like a "destined child"

Roger was one, but arrived too early. He thought it would be his son, and WB did bet for Ace, but unfortunately Ace didn't make it. Teach is also a runner, wicked morals aside - for all his vices he's a joyful individual and the crew seems to be having fun at the island.
There are others like the Emperors, Kid, etc. that want to be but aren't very joyous people.

[modest skiff]

I won't be surprised when Impel Down definitely isn't their highest profile prison. There must be a prison in Marie Jois. Probably others too. Similar to the whole CP9/CP0 silliness. Suddenly there will be another Imepl Down

I think Impel Down was just the most well known one

[queen arrow]

i don't think there's another Impel Downs because that would be like having another Enies Lobby

[ember trench]

Luffy been a messianic figure for a long time

[ancient vault]

archer is back

[modest skiff]

Ok sure but you get what I mean, there’s some other prison somewhere

[queen arrow]

they where literally the only 3 islands in the government whirlpool or whatever it was called

[ancient vault]

I mean whos who was said to be tortured and we know the CDs torture their slaves

[queen arrow]

the answer is much simpler than that , i think Who's Who escaped before he was transferred to Impel Down whenever he was

[ancient vault]

Technically whos who was also just a slave. Why else would the guard mention a story about a slave

If not in a place where he comes across lots of slaves and mocks them

basically mary joa

[queen arrow]

he would have to get rid of the collar somehow, so i think it makes more sense he was a prisoner not a slave

[ember trench]

Alternatively, he “risked it all to escape” when Blackbeard sacked the prison

[ancient vault]

the guard disappeared shortly before bb raided ID? And whos who didnt even thank or mention BB? I doubt it tbh

[amber oar]

WW didn't make the slightest mention about the ID breakout, which makes extremely odd that he would have been there

[tacit veldt]

I think WW was in Tequila Wolf. That's basically an entire country of slaves running since hundreds of years ago. if there's a place we know where slaves could pass on a forbidden legends through the centuries, it's that. What you have to do there also sounds a lot like a neverending torture, but that's true for every istance of slavery we've seen so far

Also, i think the guard that disappeared wasnt a guard working in the prison that got punished. I think it's much more likely that It was someone from outside trying to spark hopes and seeds of rebellion through the slaves. Do we know how long it's been since the Revolutionary Army started operating? Because i could see that guard being someone from the RA infiltrating Tequila Wolf

[modest skiff]

I like this

[thick sky]

I agree with the thing about that guard being someone from RA

[muted ember]

Twitter & Reddit going full on tinfoil with Luffy == Sun God theories

[ancient vault]

Whos who said he was mocking him tho which makes no sense for a Revo to do. Also tequila wolf is not a prison

[restive ice]

wait what was tequila wolf

[tacit veldt]

About that: official translation says that the guard was laughing while he told him about Nika. Could be mocking sure, but we know in OP people laughing has a much deeper meaning most of the time

This could not have been a mockery, as it is written. It's also possibile that WW understood It as one, but It wasn't the case

[tacit veldt]

It Is a prison. There's slaves being kept prisoners there and forced to work, a good chunk of them are pirates and outlaws too

[tacit veldt]

The gigantic bridge between Islands in the East Blue where Kuma sent Robin

[ancient vault]

@quartz zenith sorry bro but could you clear this up for us? Does it say just laugh or is mocking accurate?

[tacit veldt]

(Also, WW's big mistake likely happened in East Blue, so bringing him to Tequila Wolf as punishment makes logisitcal sense)

[ancient vault]

Also the revos saved nico robin and the slaves from there. Theyre not ppl who tell slaves to pray for a legend and then leave them being tortured

In general telling someone whos being tortured to pray to some random legend is definitely mocking in a way

[tacit veldt]

It could be, but it did help WW find some solace and the resolution to escape. That's enough to have me doubt that It was just mockery

[ancient vault]

Why?

[tacit veldt]

Because it worked. Nika did set him free, in a way

[ancient vault]

Just cause WW found salvation and hope in it doesnt mean that was the guards' intent

[ancient vault]

how lol he escaped himself

[tacit veldt]

Still waiting to know if the JAP actually does say mocking, or Just laughing. The official translation does decide to omit the mocking part, at the very least

[tacit veldt]

Sure but he found the strength to do so through the tale. That's the point of OP really. Nobody comes to save you unless you're willing to do It yourself. Look at how Luffy waited for Robin to express desire to live

[ancient vault]

Even if. Again telling someone to pray to a god and laughing while youre being tortured is mocking lol
I think the revos failed and are a horrible organization if they allow shit like this

[tacit veldt]

We really know nothing about the exchange. It seems premature to cast other options aside

[ancient vault]

Assuming the revos do shit like this is definitely less likely than just a guard whether it be random or someone else other than a revo fcking around with whos who. Guards make fun of prisoners all the time

[tacit veldt]

Btw, some revos could definitely do "shit like this". Many of them talk about stuff like praying and miracles. Ivankov and Kuma do. If you actually believe that praying would help the man, you'd say that

Btw the RA thing was just a logical connection. All i'm saying Is this guard could have not been a guard and he or she could have had good intents.

There are scenarios in which this works and other in which this doesnt, ofc

[ancient vault]

I find the RA part to be unluckily but i can get behind the tequila wolf idea with a bit more elaboration

[modest skiff]

Supports my theory that islands used to be way more united and that people were separated by an oppressive power

Even ignoring the whole red line thing I think perhaps many islands were a single island

[mellow basalt]

Tequila wolf?

[mellow basalt]

Tequila wolf?

[full laurel]

[harsh niche]

oh the one bridge that hasnt finished construction and of which we have no other examples ever existing between islands?

[quartz zenith]

Yea they were laughing at him in a mocking way 笑われた (laughed at)

[hazy ferry]

i think yamato being a logkeeper would fit perfectly because i can see this kinda scenario playing out:

luffy @ giants: do you poop
giants: ah? Yeah
yamato scribbling intently in his journal: THEY POOP

[rain plover]

Love that, I think she'd be a great logkeeper/apprentice caretaker (letsgo momo for nakama)

[rigid wadi]

Momo has to become shogun

If they take any child, would be Tama, considering the promise Ace made to her.

[rain plover]

This is the biggest problem in the momo to nakama theory absolutely. Though that could be solved by the Sukiyaki being Hitetsu theory. Tama joining on the same pretenses of Yamato (promises with Ace) is also hype tho.

Here's a question tho. Hiyori is most likely the one who healed the scabbards with Toki's vivre card confirming her death. What bigger role do you think she'll play on Onigashima moving forward? Final blow to Orochi maybe?

[rigid wadi]

Yeah, imo she will be crucial to Orochi plot

[ancient vault]

She'll become the moon princess

[rigid wadi]

With her Prince Enel? XD

[ancient vault]

nah

[amber oar]

#western-series

[ancient vault]

wdym, im serious lol

[amber oar]

I thought it was a reference... nvm

[ancient vault]

it is a reference

But its a reference to the song she was playing

[amber oar]

ah, forgot about that

[ancient vault]

and also marias foreshadowing through her song

[hazy ferry]

I think she's gonna become the new shogun of wano while momo is still growing up because we see a lot of instamces where she truly cares about the country and its citizens whereas the idea of yamato becoming shogun feels really out of left field causd he doesnt really have a connection to it and his connection to oden isnt about a lovefor wano, its the desire to become free and do what you want and what yamato wants is to see the world and break through the metaphorical chains kaido placed on him

[modest skiff]

Where would this leave Hiyori?

[ancient vault]

he just said it. Shes gonna be shogun

[modest skiff]

I’m an idiot and thought he was referring to yamato for a reason I may never know

[acoustic helm]

Toki always told momo that he will be shogun of wano,
Did she say something similar to hiyori??

[lofty zenith]

Do we have any theories of Nika?

[opal portal]

I don’t think so but it might be fisher tiger

[grizzled fog]

Nika probably wasn’t real, just a legend told to give people hope. But it’s called ancient

[summer seal]

Karasu has the mythical tori tori no mi model raum.

A demonic crow that spies on enemies and gathers secrets. fitting for a revolutionary commander to not be an offensive based fruit.

[lofty zenith]

Could be just a prophecy, and joyboy was trying to set up poneglyphs and hints for someone to find the one piece and be Nika for the entire world

This is a silhouette of luffy from chapter 253

and this is nika

and it can't be a coincidence that Luffy's ship is named "1000 Sunny"

[covert hazel]

It's cos the lion has a sun on it and it is supposed to shine upon 1000 seas

[summer seal]

iceburg literally named the ship. Is he supposed to know about Nika?

[lofty zenith]

There are just way too many references of the sun and moon

[summer seal]

because straw hats bring the dawn?

[lofty zenith]

Yeah, sorry i'm just stressing on this one thing too much.

[mystic crown]

Lmao they are trying to supress us. Everytime we spit facts they say serious theroies only. Its time we rise up, us who know the true ending of one piece

[ancient vault]

[wary crow]

But he is what 10 rn and hiyori is in her late 20s

do you expect a kid to rule properly ?

it would be like handing monkey a sword

[cedar sinew]

he'll have support from the scabbards

[summer seal]

thats a bad example coming from well... mihawk's island

[cedar sinew]

and everything momo's done in the raid is proof that he's becoming worthy of a shogun

[wary crow]

but you know hiyori still might be an optimum choice

[cedar sinew]

his entire character is that he wants to live up to oden

[wary crow]

not if wano is exposed to outer world

[cedar sinew]

he's set up to be the shogun and that's the only thing his character has been developing into

[wary crow]

yes but you know he is 10

[cedar sinew]

and?

[hollow grotto]

He can be supported by people around him, but he's still the one destined to become Shogun.

[wary crow]

if he were what 15 I would have whole heartedly agreed

[summer seal]

let Shinobu mature him up

[cedar sinew]

he's currently standing upto kaido and acting as a leader to the allied forces + samurai

why let age determine everything when the events speak for themselvs

[wary crow]

yes he is but now actually is not the right time

[cedar sinew]

hiyori can always aid him

not like if he becomes the shogun he's completely isolated

[wary crow]

I would not disagree that but he is not that emotionally mature

[hollow grotto]

Momo is emotionally mature, especially for his age?

[cedar sinew]

evreything he's done in the raid is pretty emotionally mature

[wary crow]

I taking a child brain into the picture too

[cedar sinew]

he was kidnapped by Kanjuro yet forced himself to act as a leader and reassure the allies

as he was flying away

even Luffy acknowledges this

[wary crow]

yes that might be but you know what I am trying to say ?

[cedar sinew]

I think Luffy's words have more power than anything else

[hollow grotto]

Remember that even if he is labelled as 'shogun', he won't take the responsibilities all on his own. He will lead people, but the responsibilities can all be delegated.

[summer seal]

Okay but he's still a 10 year old... And he needs to develop more than just being a shogun now no?

[cedar sinew]

he's developing as the arc progreses

[wary crow]

I am not disagreeing the fact that momo is mature for his age but he is still a kid and I believe that he will not be able to take decision that require you to put a stone on your heart

[hollow grotto]

Totally understand what you mean. Momo is a young boy and even if he can take the role, that's a huge responsibility for a child. That's why this arc exists, to feed into and build Momo's leadership to break out of his father's shell and become a shogun people can look at and say, "That's Momonosuke," not "That's Oden"

[cedar sinew]

I just don't see Hiyori becoming shogun when Momo is clearly setup for it and Hiyori has had absolutely no relation to it other than the fact that she's Momo's sister

[cedar sinew]

I think he already has in the raid

[wary crow]

Think of hiyori some kind of proxy

[cedar sinew]

and for some reason you're denying it

he's proven himself at least 3 times

1. when kanjuro captured him
2. when he faced off with kaido
3. when he relayed luffy's message

[wary crow]

But you know he is still not mature enough to become a shogun not at this point of time

[summer seal]

also in the prison arc

[cedar sinew]

no I don't know lol

I get that he's young yeah

[summer seal]

and in zou where Luffy "encouraged" him to be the leader

[cedar sinew]

but so what, he could be an exception. A young shogun with help from his retainers and hiyori

[wary crow]

does leader mean shogun ?

[cedar sinew]

the people literally look up to him

the people need him as the shogun

to fill the gap oden has left

[wary crow]

that is a possibility but

[summer seal]

from someone where he was gonna let Kinemon speak for him... to recognizing that he is supposed to lead them.

[cedar sinew]

and that aspect has been emphasized a lot throughout the arc

[hollow grotto]

At this point, assuming he did nothing else in the raid and just disappeared, I'd agree that Momo may not be fit to rule it by himself, but that's not what will happen. He won't be ruling Wano by himself when Luffy and the crew leaves, delegation exists, but he has been growing more into his position through examples of leadership (Udon prison) and emotional maturity. (Kanjuro, face off with Kadio & relaying Luffy's message).

[wary crow]

I know that is his destiny

[summer seal]

then in the prison arc. he also showed his face and gave his people hope.

[cedar sinew]

if the people believe in him and the allies believe in him and Luffy believes in him, I don't think his mere age is that much of a factor

[hollow grotto]

If you believe everything Oda is setting up regarding Momo is not to become Shogun, then what do you think is going to happen?

[wary crow]

you know at every point we also see the mix of fear in his inner thoughts, that is what I am pointing out

[hollow grotto]

That's because he's overcoming those boundries through his interactions here ^

[summer seal]

yes... YET, despite these thoughts hes doing the right calls

[hollow grotto]

It's called growth and not something that's easy to break through the mold of

[wary crow]

yes but take star wars as an example

[summer seal]

despite being fearful and scared. he's making the right calls and recognizing his purpose.

[cedar sinew]

try not to reference other series here

you can still make your point without a comparison

[wary crow]

I am giving the example of anakin

[cedar sinew]

yeah I know, it's still against the rules

[summer seal]

a leader doesnt instantly know what decisions are good, he should mull it over.

[cedar sinew]

anyway, literally the only reason anyone would doubt momo as the next shogun is because of his young age

and I'd take his actual accomplishments and the support he gets over his age any day

[hollow grotto]

banana

[hollow grotto]

exactly, I think I get where he's coming from but the decisions he's ultimately made as a person far outrule the fear that he's begun to break through the mold of to become his own person.

[wary crow]

we cannot say age is not a factor even if the world of one piece is not that practical but still the psychology of a 10 yo's stills plays a part

[cedar sinew]

why do you keep trying to bring down his abilities

by saying he's young

why not use what has been shown

I don't get it. Oda has shown us so many times that momo is capable

[hollow grotto]

If he wasn't being backed up by anyone, I'd agree with that, but the feats that he's performed despite his age and the boundries he's rippled through are something that just can't be ignored. I don't know what you think Oda is trying to set up if he doesn't become Shogun, because otherwise it just seems a waste.

[cedar sinew]

if like, Momo is being portrayed as a crybaby kid who's completely useless then I'd understand '

if Momo is being portrayed like Shirahoshi then I'd understand

but he's not, so why does the age factor matter in the slightest

some people mature at a young age, some people don't. Momo is shaping up to be the former

[worldly anvil]

I'm hoping the death of the scabbards will complete mature momo into a proper shogun

[wary crow]

His accomplishments as a kid are exceptional but you have to agree that he stills needs more than development as a character to be the shogun

[cedar sinew]

no not as a kid

his accomplishments in general is good enough

do you disagree on that?

[ancient vault]

I wouldnt say she has no relation when we have seen her go after shoguns duties such as providing the poor with money and food and helping them out from the shadows

[cedar sinew]

in which aspect do you think he's currently lacking regardless of age

[wary crow]

yes but he still has a far way to travel to be the one

[cedar sinew]

yeah she cares about the people of wano, but hasn't shown any interest in ruling them

[ancient vault]

she is def fit for the job and she deserves it after suffering for 20 years under orochis hand

[cedar sinew]

like what

stop being vague

what needs to be done?

[ancient vault]

Shes interested in killing the current shogun we'll see what happens after that

[wary crow]

he still requires more character development

[cedar sinew]

what development

"requires more development"
"is far away"
"is lacking"
are all the same words

[hollow grotto]

Momo as Shogun with Hiyori ruling alongside him is what I believe will happen, but it could go any way it wants.

[wary crow]

he has to be become a character of his own and not become oden's shadow, he has to accomplish what oden could not

[ancient vault]

but im not to keen on the shogun part as Im on the moon princess

[hollow grotto]

He just needs to become his own person, that doesn't mean beating Oden at anything

[wary crow]

yeah that is the actual point

[cedar sinew]

also I think it'd be weird for Hiyori to be the shogun for like 10 years and then they switch for Momo to be the shogun. Hiyori will definitely help yeah, but I just can't see Momo not being the official shogun, the official face of wano after all that's happened

[cedar sinew]

I think that's exactly what's happening in the raid right now

Momo previously doubted his own abilities and the fact that everyone compares him to Oden

[ancient vault]

yeah hes developing as of now. We literally see him struggling with himself

[cedar sinew]

now he's becoming his own person and a leader

[hazy ferry]

i think either hiyori will become shogun or momo will become shogun but with a bunch of advisors cause 8 yrs old

[cedar sinew]

probably a similar parallel to what'll happen to Yamato

[ancient vault]

cant wait for yamato to not join the crew

[wary crow]

yes that is my point but I am saying that I actually want him to become more than what he is rn at end of the raid

[cedar sinew]

also you'd agree that becoming his own person and not being in Oden's shadow is a big development right? In the raid, in the battle against Kaido, is the most approporiate and the best place narratively for that to occur and it IS occurring after each chapter. A development as such isn't going to happen simply by aging. I think by the end of the arc, it'll be much clearer that Momo has gotten over his complex and complete his character arc @wary crow

[ancient vault]

@tired osprey sun hat weaver

[hollow grotto]

There's a theme of identity in this arc, with Yamato and Momo being the main two, and this is just my personal headcanon, but I believe Yamato will come to terms with who they really are and become their own person, choosing to join Luffy/not join Luffy out of their own will rather than at the will of Oden, whereas Momo will choose to rule Wano as Shogun not because of his obligation as the bloodline of Oden, but because he wants to rule Wano.

[wary crow]

👆

see the reply I made

[hazy ferry]

i still unsure about how the whole 'im not oden, im yamato' will go cause its not like yamato vehemently denies being yamato know? he still calls himself yamato and stuff, so this random 'realization' that he's not oden, hels really yamato, would feel really weird cause its not like he doesnt realize hels also yamato

[cedar sinew]

yeah he will become more than what he is rn by the end for sure

and that has nothing to do with his age

it's tied with experience. You can easily be in the shadow of someone at the age 20

[hollow grotto]

That's also true, we've yet to really develop more into that but I just want to believe that the theme of identity will also play into somebody who calls themself Oden, while also contrasting that against someone like Momo who is always compared to Oden.

It would be nice if they both became their own person, but at the same time honestly Oda could take it any way

[hazy ferry]

ooo true true

[ancient vault]

@cedar sinew do u still believe in ur freedom theory

[tired osprey]

strawhats will be obviously be important so... yes.

[ancient vault]

theyre also called sun hats

[hollow grotto]

ofc I'm secretly wishing for Yamato and Tama to join but that probably won't happen

[hazy ferry]

the red ribbon on the hat could look like the red line? Idk

[cedar sinew]

yeah but I'm leaning more towards a more specific variant than the "freest man".
Sorta like the "biggest party" one, how it's a specific application of the core concept. I don't believe in the party one though, to be clear

[ancient vault]

Ah

[hazy ferry]

whats the freedom theory

[hollow grotto]

^

[ancient vault]

!pins

[lone hedge]

PC:
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Click on the channel’s name at the top of your screen or swipe to the left, then search for 📌.

[hollow grotto]

If my Vegapunk theory is true I will be so happy

[ancient vault]

the second theory called "luffys and rogers dream"

[ancient vault]

[hollow grotto]

you're a believer? hell yeah

[ancient vault]

[tired osprey]

Tama could make strawhats to all the allies in the final war

[ancient vault]

[waxen light]

rude

[wary crow]

https://tenor.com/view/jotaro-kujo-jojo-bizarre-adventure-no-no-no-no-nope-gif-14295799

she is the pivotal point in the war and one of the people to be praised for every successful move

but you know she made so many gifters join the war on the side of straw hats and by extension the alliance

[mystic crown]

Tama is the reason the raid hasnt ended in failure so i hate her

[wary crow]

not everyone

[wary crow]

Sorry I read the message the wrong way

[mystic crown]

Yeah like Oda aint killing at child if he cant even kill the scavvards

[mystic crown]

Lmao. Thought it was weird you agreed

[wary crow]

it is one piece, death is something that oda usually ignores

[wary crow]

yeah lmao

[cloud trail]

K, Thanks

[pure raven]

Although Wano looks and feels like Japan, compared to modern times, Wano feels more based on North Korea, wiith Kim Jong Un being Orochi, and CHINA being the beast pirates, kaido's dragon also makes sense in this way.
Like NK , wano is also heavily invested in Military production,while leaving the populace to suffer.

[zinc iris]

It could work for any puppet state really

Also NK's military production is for propaganda purpose and keeping control, they aren't making weapons for China

[pure raven]

true. not trying to take the discussion political . sorry

[zinc iris]

Eh there can definitely be a critique on imperialism, one piece does get political more often than given credit for

Like the past two chapters with Jinbe dealing with WW being casually racist

[pure raven]

oda seems to draw a lot of inspiration from real world. kinda what makes OP so good

[ancient vault]

he doesnt even acknowledge it lmfao hes like "ay bro chill why u so mad"

[lost moat]

Yo I was dreaming about this all night last night.

Why the fuck hasn’t the marines made speciality weapons that can kill Devil Fruit users with Sea Prism stone. Like even a Logia user would get shot and potentially killed.

[sturdy hawk]

You mean sea stone bullets?

[pure raven]

I assume this applies to bullets as well

Sea stone bullets do exist in wano though

[worldly anvil]

only made in wano hmm

[orchid ermine]

So dumb thought flew into my brain what if usopp becomes joy boy my proof oda is a troll like that

[worldly anvil]

Does that means only wano know how to make seastone bullets?

[lost moat]

I mean shit if Wano opens up after the defeat of Kaido I can see those bullets being a big part of the next war or even part of how Usopp defeats Devil Fruit users. He makes Sea Stone balls or something.

[gilded cedar]

I believe that Tama might get knocked out or killed at some point and that'll be the tragedy of Act 3 as everything goes down. A major theme of this arc is leadership, with it being highlighted through Oden rejecting his responsibilities to later sacrifice himself for his wrongs and Kaido brute forcing people to join his crew which led to his crew being very unloyal and easily swapping sides as we've seen. I think that Tama, even though she's helping, is doing no better than Kaido by brainwashing people to obey her against their will. With the alliance now relying on the jump in numbers and our top fighters running out of steam, it'll be a good domino effect after all these chapters of raising hope

[pure raven]

Being knocked out doesn’t have an affect on tamas power as shown when she was knocked out in act 1

[gilded cedar]

Good thing I said "or killed" lol

[pure raven]

I strongly doubt oda would kill a child

[gilded cedar]

And thats what would make it worse

Though it doesn't matter if its killing or making her release control some other way.

I just don't think Oda will let the alliance win through brainwashing

[pure raven]

And whats this about the “act 3 tragedy” from what i heard it’s not really a thing

[gilded cedar]

Its based on the 5 act structure seen in kabuki plays. So far wano has been following it with each act and this third one is tragedy

[pure raven]

Well Wano might be 3 or 4 acts

[gilded cedar]

Yea it might be but I'm just explaining why people think this act will have tragedy

[ancient vault]

lots of kozukis plays have just 3 acts

[gilded cedar]

Yea I know. Never said it had to be 5 acts.

[ancient vault]

Isnt that dragons tattoo?

[modest skiff]

After Wano they should send her to the island Luffy trained at during the time skip. Fill a bunch of boats with em and rain hell

[zinc iris]

yeah it was pretty realistic
"dude it's just a word"

[drifting cargo]

I love watching older theory videos and see how wrong we all were lmao

[steel forum]

chapter?

[ancient vault]

279

[languid kettle]

yep

makes me wonder how much connection he had in every corners of the world

[modest skiff]

And yet you’ll see plenty of people here telling you their theories are ultimate truth. This community has a bad habit of consolidating around ideas

[subtle nymph]

We are in act 3 right?

[gilded cedar]

Yup

[tacit veldt]

It's easy to imagine how an Act 5 would go since the whole of the Onigashima raid seems likely to be Act 3; basically a mini arc like post enies lobby. What i can't wrap my head around Is what's supposed to be Act 4 if there really are 5.

At this point my best guess Is there's actually 4 acts, with 4 being the post raid one

[slate moon]

The tragedy could be the island dropping on the flower capital then moving at a fast pace to wrap up the final battle with Kaido

[modest skiff]

I’ve kinda had a feeling throughout this whole arc that Kaido/BM are not the main bad guys and that something else will pop up that takes a whole act

[slate moon]

I doubt Oda kills Tama or has her loose her grasp on the gifters

[nimble hinge]

She can likely "release" those under her control.

And will do so at the end of the arc.

[ancient vault]

its not fully the same

[slate moon]

When the island falls on the flower capitol, that could make her loose her connection to those under her control

[nimble hinge]

I've been saying Dragon has some thematic relation to them for a decade. Mythical Zoan Thunderbird still what I'm going for

[signal zenith]

One Piece Final Island Theory (Theory is mine don't worry)
So I think a lot of us heard or watched One Piece moon theories about the straw hats heading to the moon at some point, the moon theory is not mine but I believe my theory is connected to the moon theory.

So we all know the final island "Lodestar Island", but I think that is the English name for it, the true name of it was probably supposed to be Road Star island (Just like how Raftel turned out to be Laugh Tale), I think the final island will be the way to go to space/moon/sky, etc.

I am not saying it should eventually take them there, I am saying it should at least be a place or a start for that purpose, even the name "Road Star", does seem fitting for an island name that's purpose is a way or transportation or at least a guide on how to get there right?

[modest skiff]

If I may expand on this theory, since I also think this: when Roger learned he was actually a nobody in the grand scheme of many planets and people much more powerful then he will ever be, he laughed. He was top dog for a long time and then realized he was never top dog at all. The whole crew was humbled and laughed about the fact that they were too early to even utilize the island properly.

[signal zenith]

Omg that actually makes sense, but why did roger said that its a funny story

[lunar shell]

Cuz it doesnt make sense

[signal zenith]

but why else would roger laugh, could they actually come up with a really funny story

[lunar shell]

He laught cuz laughtale is Luffy's story

Its one piece. The one piece IS one piece.

[latent dock]

What if One piece is the friends we made along the way
I will probably laugh if it's true

[signal zenith]

of course its not

Oda confirmed its not

[latent dock]

@signal zenith Yeah I know

[silent badge]

One Piece might end with both Blackbeard and Luffy on the location of the One Piece

And they fight, Luffy Wins, becomes King of the Pirates...

Then as King he takes down Im, the ||true leader of the World Government||

Now Im is 100% going to be powerful as hell

[normal imp]

Monkey D. Nika?

[solid badger]

Chapter 794 shows dragon materializing from a gassious state of matter back into himself. Most likely a logia

Oh rip I can’t post panel. It’s on the bottom panel of the 4th or 5th page I belive

[grizzled fog]

!pics

[lone hedge]

Get a role (pirate/revo/marine/civilian) in #old-role-info to be able to post pictures!

[grizzled fog]

This is what you’re referring to right?

[solid badger]

Yeye

Middle bottom panel of dragon. Look like he’s materializing from wind back to human

[ancient vault]

that just looks like his cape was burning, let me check out the colored panel

mhm nvm its not fire

[solid badger]

The color of his cape is literally materializing

He was floating on water rescuing sabo. Almost every single appearance he’s had some strong gust of wind shows up

[nimble hinge]

It's the same color as the smoke from the fire in the panel above.

[solid badger]

Unless his cape ate a logia fruit I’d figure him being a zoan is unlikely

[nimble hinge]

It's just smoke.

[ancient vault]

it doesnt really make sense tho that he still emits this much smoke when not even sabo is as far as we can tell in that panel

[solid badger]

This is fire

[solid badger]

This is not fire. Do u see the dark green swirls?

[ancient vault]

and hes right the cape is materializing

[nimble hinge]

No one said fire.

[cedar sinew]

what if that's just his torn cape

that's burnt off

[nimble hinge]

We see Sabo smoking on the same page.

[solid badger]

The dude around him was surprised to see dragon. Suggests dragon boarded the ship without being noticed and surprised the guy. Dragon appeared out of thin air

[nimble hinge]

No fire on his eye either.

[ancient vault]

theres also this attack ig

[solid badger]

Sure sabo be smoking, but his clothes ain’t materializing

[cedar sinew]

which dude

[nimble hinge]

The surprise is for the injured Sabo. Iva announced his arrival right before that panel.

[cedar sinew]

him?

yeah it's because he's carrying a kid

[grizzled fog]

Nah he meant the dude directly behind dragon in the same panel

[cedar sinew]

oh. I'd still say it's because of the situation. I think that's a fair assumption

judging by how the dude on the next panel also looked "surprised" or alarmed about the situtation

[grizzled fog]

Think he could’ve just been surprised at the injured child he was holding

[nimble hinge]

He's the only one surprised. Iva already announced his arrival in the panel before that. It's surprise about Sabo

[solid badger]

Why would they be surprised that sabo needs medical attention when he’s in the middle of the deck instead of walking up the ship? Dragon clearly showed up directly onto the deck without normal means

[ancient vault]

mhm his cape was already ripped here and I cant find a panel with a non damaged cape afterwards

[ancient vault]

they just noticed that dragon is holding sabo in his arms

[cedar sinew]

we literally don't see anything before that. He could've easily jumped up to the middle of the deck and started walking

[nimble hinge]

Why would they not be surprised that's he's carrying in an injured child when that was never part of whatever they had planned

[solid badger]

Someone like Iva is familiar with how dragon would show up out of nowhere in comparison to a background lackey

[nimble hinge]

Only one lacky is surprised. And the context is for the injured Sabo.

[solid badger]

U gotta realize that most of the army don’t know dragon that much, they’ve realized his name was Monkey D just 2 years ago

[nimble hinge]

It's hard to be surprised about Dragon showing up after Iva has already announced his arrival in the panel prior. And continues talking to him in that panel with the alarmed soldier.

[ancient vault]

I dont see this being relevant here tho

[solid badger]

Sure even then, why was he surprised when dragon was already in the middle of the deck? Wouldn’t he walk up to the ship if he was a non df user?

[nimble hinge]

No one said he's a non DF user

[cedar sinew]

he jumps up to the middle of the deck

[ancient vault]

I think hes tied to sky island. No idea which tribe

[cedar sinew]

simple

[nimble hinge]

You literally started this conversation replying to my post about him bring a fruit user lmao

[solid badger]

Dragon walks up onto the ship carrying a half dead child and only until he reaches the middle of the deck they notice the kid?

[ancient vault]

@nimble hinge do u know which tribe these ppl are from? I dont think theyre shandians

[solid badger]

Sounds kinda specific

[ancient vault]

Is it birka?

[nimble hinge]

I don't think those symbols represent tribes. If you look at that page we see at least 3 sets of symbols. Each person with their own design.

[teal bay]

ok i know this is anime but what if that egg was the weapon shiki was talking about??

[solid badger]

Didn’t mean to attack u my guy. Just tryna say him being a wind logia has more proof than a random zoan

[grizzled fog]

Manga panel for this line?

[ancient vault]

u right

[nimble hinge]

8 different sets of symbols, maybe 9

[ancient vault]

speaking of 8

arent there 8 ancient symbols or so?

[teal bay]

idek if this is manga or not that why i said that ik its anime

[ancient vault]

chapter 0

[nimble hinge]

A random zoan? Or a zoan directly related to weather? It's not like wind is the only attribute Dragon is associated with.

[grizzled fog]

I knew it was chapter 0, just hoping he would post the line. This is the closest to that

[nimble hinge]

11 symbols by my count. It's likely each person just has their own personal design. Doesn't meant dragons has no relation. Those might just be the symbols he chose for himself

[teal bay]

tbh i saw that in the anime i wsnt even aware if they have manga on this

[ancient vault]

sounds like any of the three weapons tbh. Could be pluton could also be poseidon and we dont know what uranus is yet

[ancient vault]

u mean in the skypiea panel? because im referring to other symbols

[nimble hinge]

Likely pluton. Shiki suggests Roger knows where it is. Not that he has it

The ones in 279 that you linked? On each person's robe. I counted 11 patterns.

[teal bay]

i am curious about that egg

[ancient vault]

wonder if theyre random or mean sth

[teal bay]

what if that egg is actually a dragon 🤔

[ancient vault]

I think its a dragon egg which he got from god valley

[teal bay]

same i also think same

[ancient vault]

and i think real dragons used to live on god valley

[nimble hinge]

Has their ever been a panel without the egg on the ship?

[ancient vault]

#manga-theories message
I'll just post this here again

[teal bay]

can be like that is the only reason all the CD were there and they wanted to make a slave out of those dragons or pet

[ancient vault]

we havent seen the ship before 38 years ago iirc so no I dont think so

[zinc iris]

i thought ryuma cutting the dragon happened outside wano

[teal bay]

that really is an interesting theory

[nimble hinge]

Doesn't seem to be present in this one

And that's about a decade after God Valley

[ancient vault]

at the time 38 years ago when the CD went there I think the real life dragons were close to dying out and potentially rocks ended them all on that island but I believe one egg survived which roger either stole or he got as a gift from garp

• BM stole the dragon fruit and gave it to kaido
  Afterwards VP was tasked to create artificial dragons which he did too.
  The CD liked one of them so much they gave him a name which was not told to us yet

[ancient vault]

what chapter?

[nimble hinge]

19, the Buggy flashback.

No panels show an egg. And that's the only panel of the full ship.
The deck is visible in several panels though

[ancient vault]

Yh I can tell. Well its early in the series and oda mightve came up with the idea later which he actually did I think in enies lobby but I think thats good proof against that part of my theory

[nimble hinge]

Egg would be visible in this panel if it was on the ship.

It's always in the back half of the ship on the deck.

[zinc iris]

same scene in chapter 967 has the egg

[ancient vault]

this was 30 years ago

[ancient vault]

its not the same scene. Theyre just constantly beefing

[nimble hinge]

^ Yeah those are two different times.

[teal bay]

the egg is visible here

[zinc iris]

I thought it was the same scene from a new angle considering it's the same argument about north pole and south pole

[nimble hinge]

They have that argument more than once.

[ancient vault]

"again"

[zinc iris]

fighting again in general, not again about that thing

[nimble hinge]

What chapter is this?

[ancient vault]

ig but still that scenen was shortly before raiding another pirate ship while 967 was shortly before arriving at water 7

[ancient vault]

964

[nimble hinge]

Chapter 19 flashback is over 27 years ago. The flashback you're posting is later than that as Oden is already with them.

[ancient vault]

actually makes no sense primal

thats a different ship. They elft the ship somewhere else

or

[nimble hinge]

Seems to be the same ship. Has that same bit on the front

[ancient vault]

is he talking about his starting career as his own pirate after roger left?

that means we could go back 12 years from 24 years ago making it 36 years ago but that again makes no sense either cause buggy was 3 at that time and he doesnt look like 3 in the flashback

[zinc iris]

well we can't exactly tell if it was before or after

[nimble hinge]

Yes we can, because we know Oden wasn't on the ship 27 years ago.

[zinc iris]

ok and we don't know if this is not happening after just because oden is off-panel

[ancient vault]

the wiki says its over 27 dont know the source

[zinc iris]

lol

usual assumptions

[nimble hinge]

I'm not following Entry. The buggy flashback is said to happen over 27 years ago. And Oden wasn't on the ship 27 years ago. Pretty simple to tell which of the events happened first.

[zinc iris]

The buggy flashback is said to happen over 27 years ago
this is the mostly unsubstantiated claim

[ancient vault]

28 years ago roger entered the grandline again

[ancient vault]

but roger already ahd the egg 30 years ago at least

[zinc iris]

nothing in the flashback implies it was that early

[ancient vault]

chapter 0 the fight was shiki was exactly 27 years ago

[ancient vault]

no it is at least 27 years ago

[zinc iris]

like I wish there was some roger flashback where buggy displays the splitting power so we could tell lol

[ancient vault]

there is where its mentioned. Chapter 0

[nimble hinge]

Mhm. The wiki is usually good with dates and times.

[zinc iris]

hoh

so it happened before the edd war

[ancient vault]

Just trust me lol. The edd war was exactly 27 years ago and the discussion above is 27 years ago so it happened before the edd war

[nimble hinge]

Is this arthur or an official source?

[ancient vault]

artur sadly

vivre card tho so idk hes stupid so cant trst him

[nimble hinge]

So based on what we know so far, Oda either made a mistake in chapter 19 with the egg, which isn't unreasonable. Or that Buggy ate his fruit over 30 years ago, and the egg was found after that point. It's interesting that Arthur mentions Roger returned to the Grand Line 28 years ago. If we can follow up on that, that might help.

Where ever he went after leaving the grandline is likely where he got that egg from.

[ancient vault]

wdym primal

im so stupid man i need to go take reading classes again my bad

[nimble hinge]

I know, that's what I'm saying. Those are the two possibilities. Either it was a mistake or we know Buggy ate the fruit over 30 years ago and the egg came shortly after that and the panel from 30 years ago.

[ancient vault]

Buggy and Shanks at youngest look like 6 years old in chapter 19 which limits the time to 33 to 27 years ago where buggy ate fruit

[nimble hinge]

That panel is from outside the grandline as well. So they were doing something of importance there.

[teal bay]

buggy ate fruit 27 years ago

[nimble hinge]

He ate it over 27 years ago. We don't know when he ate it.

[ancient vault]

Good catch

when did he reach lodestar again?

[nimble hinge]

A year before he found One Piece I believe. So 26 years ago.

[teal bay]

well on wiki, iif i have read it right and acco. to my understanding edd war also happenewd in the same year

[nimble hinge]

Lad. It literally says "at some point over 27 years ago"

[ancient vault]

r u sure

I cant check chapters for some reason but I thought it was like 3 or 13 years ago. Check chapter 966

thats where rogers mentions it

[nimble hinge]

Lodestar? Roger was dead 24 years ago. Or do you mean someone else?

[ancient vault]

24*
Also no roger said in the flashback 3 or 13 idk which one of the too

but that would make 38 years ago

or 28 if 3

[nimble hinge]

Wiki says 39 years ago.

[ancient vault]

ur right i forgot oden met roger 26 not 25

so 11 years long he was just wondering around until 28 he went back to the grand line

and for 2 years started gathering what he needed until he met oden and went on his final trip

[nimble hinge]

He somehow knew about the existence of Pluton before having Oden to read the glyphs as well. At least that's what Shiki seems to suggest.

[scenic thicket]

so did croco

[ancient vault]

That revives the buggy is from alabasta theory in my mind

That buggy is a nefertari and so is rayleigh and thats where roger knows about pluton

[scenic thicket]

ngl if ur talking abt the end of the series u have to include buggy no way will he not b something to do with it

ppl think im joking but hes appeared in someway in pretty much every arc. The biggest thing for me is that he mirrors the character Usopp as he is the real "Captain Usopp"

[ancient vault]

thats true, also still a mystery where he even got the info from

[scenic thicket]

he was a warlord w/ an secret agency abt underground stuff. prob a govt contact

[nimble hinge]

Well Croco has a history with the Revolutionaries. Iva at the least. So it wouldn't surprise me if they knew a lot of the lore of the ancient weapons and where they might be.

I've always liked the Rayleight and Alabasta theories, so that would explain that end.

[ancient vault]

Rayleigh got alabasta style clothes and buggy was born in the grandline which alabasta is located in.
Not nefertari ray but silvers cobra like silvers rayleigh. So basically theyre brothers

[nimble hinge]

Well, except for the part where Rayleigh is like 30 years older.

[ancient vault]

It'd also give buggy more importqnce since the WG is now keen on killing the alabasta family giving him another reason to hide his family

[ancient vault]

than cobra?

[nimble hinge]

Mhm.

Also, the Epithet of Dark King would make more sense if Rayleigh was part of the Nefertaris or Alabasta kings, rather than Cobra being part of the Silvers