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mental star
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Does would still be oden if it was at a simmering heat

grizzled fog
weak arrow
queen arrow
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lol

unreal sedge
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So hey guys

vague shuttle
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Hey

unreal sedge
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What if Kaido is actually a dragon, and Big Mom saying she gave him a DF is actually her being fooled/being a dumbass

1013 we have Kaido saying “Humans” like he is disconnected to them, giving credence to the idea that he’s at least not human.
A fish fish fruit, as a general concept, doesn’t make any sense. Like, its a reference to the koi jumping up the waterfall, but even so it shouldn’t be possible.
And the evidence that dragons actually exist or did exist is pretty strong, being that there have been artificial dragons and lore based on dragon slaying

weak arrow
vague shuttle
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What if hes actually a mole

queen arrow
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  1. Kaido wouldn't listen to Big Mom saying he has a debt if that wasn't a real debt
vague shuttle
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And the dragon stuff is a triple fake.
Think about it

frozen prairie
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Kaido is not actually a dragon. He might not be quite human but we know he has a devil fruit which turns him into a dragon.

vague shuttle
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The humans speech makes me think he's just talking about the human condition and not rly a race of different ppl

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I could be wrong tho I mean who knows. He sure looks different from a human lol
So does Moria's fat ass tho

queen arrow
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he's being philosophical and shit

polar bison
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also we’ve seen kaidou’s hybrid form

grizzled fog
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Kaido really doesn’t look that non human, he’s big I guess. So are lots of people. He has horns, but we already know those don’t mean much. There aren’t many other non human features I can think of

frozen prairie
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The only possible thing that makes me think he might be non-human (though, if asked, I'd say he was a human) is the eerie similarity to / connection with Oars and the manufactured giants

queen arrow
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he looks vaguely similar because he has horns and that's about it

grizzled fog
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Well it’d be odd to be an ancient giant and not even remotely close to their size

pure raven
grizzled fog
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Oars and oars jr were also red and green colored

polar bison
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this theory was always less abt kaidou’s appearance and more about how the characters in the story spoke about him. he’s the strongest creature, he’s a monster, Marco refers to him as “the Ogre Kaidou”,,, that kinda stuff. nami straight up asks if he’s not human when law introduces the concept of killing him. not sure if he’s ever referred to as one, and this recent chapter has he himself othering him from them

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all that said,,,, I don’t see what else he’d be at this point.

queen arrow
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Luffy seems pretty sure him and Big Mom are human

grizzled fog
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Is there even any point to him being a different race now?

polar bison
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oh yea true

queen arrow
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and honestly, those things seem more like hyperboles than anything else

polar bison
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don’t think so vemqi

keen pulsar
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Lol

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Hi, how are you? :3

polar bison
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also on the topic of how Kaidou will die

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I think Big Mom is still the best answer, given that she can OHKO anyone in the universe afraid of her, betrayal has been a theme of Kaidou’s character so far (and specifically, seemingly a source of trauma imo), and we’ve seen that he’s not above fear (making him susceptible to her)

grizzled fog
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That could be a interesting way to ensure that he doesn’t get the kind of legendary, grand death he seeks if dies pathetically like that, afraid, maybe begging for his life

polar bison
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exactly

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turned into a homie pawn of another yonkou

queen arrow
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Fish Homie Kaido

pure raven
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There's a 0% chance Kaido goes down like that

weak arrow
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I've been thinking he'd just get captured again to deny him his death, although my first thought to counter his dream was being killed by momo who he thought was insignificant. LUL

polar bison
vague shuttle
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When has Kaido shown fear?

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Or that he's not above fear rather

polar bison
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scabbards initiating the raid and him flashing back to Oden

vague shuttle
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Oh ok

polar bison
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funnily enough also when BM goes “lmao is kaidou dead???”

vague shuttle
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I remember that being more like shock and not fear but it's been awhile. You're probably right

sacred hawk
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A question. We know that Buggy can manipulate his detached parts right? If Buggy got cut up by Law's power, would Buggy's ability to control his parts take priority over Law's telekinesis?

vague shuttle
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I think so

grizzled fog
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Buggy could still control them I think

vague shuttle
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Or maybe some nerd will say "THE STRONGET HAKI WOULD WIN" lol

But I'd like to think Buggy's fruit would take priority there

queen arrow
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Law's fruit doesn't really prevent the parts from moving

sacred hawk
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Also, I think I know a believable and poetic way that Kaido could go down. And this method already has setup.

queen arrow
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oh you mean Takt

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Takt is technically telekinesis but it's more of a directional push, so if he used on Buggy he'd be shoved in that direction then would regain the control of his body afterwards

sacred hawk
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What I'm thinking is the Scabbards did more damage to Kaido than we think. And during Luffy's final round with Kaido, the residual damage the scabbards did will open the scar at a critical moment, giving Luffy the chance he needs to take out Kaido for good.

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vague shuttle
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Yeah I agree

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I mean it would be incredibly lame if the scabbards were ultimately completely inneffective after everything they've done and sacrificed

sacred hawk
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Basically, it's like the water from Yuba, where the citizens' love and loyalty towards the country is what makes it possible for Luffy to win.

vague shuttle
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Or like Law hitting Doflamingo with that one internal move

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Basically the sum of all these attacks will be enough to take him out

sacred hawk
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It would also let Luffy be on Yonko level without specifically making him the strongest character going into the final arc

queen arrow
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i still think it's kinda hilarious that Kaido looks like a videogame boss fight with an obvious weak point and yet only these four have targeted it

visual merlin
grizzled fog
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Think it would’ve made more sense if zoro targeted the scar

visual merlin
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instead of, "this scar randomly opens up and affects kaido" it's "Zoro's fresh scar affects kaido"

grizzled fog
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But we already know he has bad aim KingShrug

visual merlin
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and if the purpose is for luffy to be yonko level without being the strongest, it works the same way

sacred hawk
vague shuttle
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Yeah

sacred hawk
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And given the significance of Oden's scar

grizzled fog
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I agree the scabbards should have more of an impact, but the fresh scar being more relevant makes sense

visual merlin
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I guess, I'm just looking at it from an in story/logic standpoint

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And I would say it makes a lot more sense if zoro's scar affects him than the other one somehow opening a 20 year old scar

sacred hawk
visual merlin
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it would be kinda random if it opens up so much later into the war

queen arrow
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Luffy decides to punch the scar

visual merlin
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Either way really, I think zoro's scar should logically cause more problems for kaido

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like, even if the other scar were to open up somehow

sacred hawk
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Also, Zoro's scar is already open. Since it hasn't healed yet

visual merlin
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Exactly

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so why wouldn't that scar be what affects him so badly

grizzled fog
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Ya know whatd be neat? If kaido used boro breath on his new wound to cauterize it

polar bison
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he's not nearly as cool as Kiku is unfortunately

vague shuttle
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Because damage in this story is illogical anyway and emotionally it would be more impactful if Odens legacy is what takes Kaido out

visual merlin
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If you're talking about how characters don't die from shit they should die from, yea

sacred hawk
visual merlin
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but zoro's fresh scar should be more of a problem anyway

midnight thicket
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who do you guys think is gonna save luffy? momo? grand fleet? yamato?

visual merlin
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And again, Im not talking about the whole narrative thing, Im saying zoro's scar affecting him makes more sense here

grizzled fog
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Carrot, Momo, and falling into the mainland are my top 3 options atm

sacred hawk
visual merlin
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And it'd be a bit odd if the other one opened up at this point

visual merlin
grizzled fog
midnight thicket
sacred hawk
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But it would make for a good Chekhov's gun

grizzled fog
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Carrot is a nice idea but I highly doubt it

visual merlin
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Carrot saving him is amazing for me, but it won't happen

weak arrow
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I wouldnt exactly say the grand fleet would technically be out of nowhere

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Luffy's vivre card technically should have started burning at some point 2 weeks ago

sacred hawk
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I think Luffy will fall on land

grizzled fog
weak arrow
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It would have been burning for a few days, but yeah it'd have stopped burning for a week.

tired osprey
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you think we will get a flashback of what happened with luffy on the rooftop?

grizzled fog
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I hope so. We SHOULD

tired osprey
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hoping so too, it would feel a bit lacklustre otherwise

queen arrow
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i don't think we will

vague shuttle
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Imagine if the second crocodile fight was offscreened lol

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Tired of this offscreening shit

weak arrow
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So far, at least for the raid, the only thing I've minded being off-screened is wanda/carrot vs pero

tired osprey
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That one was kind of expected to get off screen so i didnt mind

gloomy canyon
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I'm sure it was hardly a fight to begin with. I bet the clouds covered the moon very early on, then Peros just slapped them around while they were weakened and out of sulong

grizzled fog
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Based on the battlefield after it wasn’t over in seconds most likely, still would’ve been nice to see it

tired osprey
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The one id like to have seen is kanjuro vs the scabbards, just a few pages more of it

grizzled fog
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I would’ve liked to see all the offscreened fights in all honesty, but especially perospefo’s and kanjuro’s

opal portal
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Blackbeard will be the final villain

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In wano

grizzled fog
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Why

maiden solar
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in wano? you are trolling!

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then who would be final boss of the entire story?!

pure raven
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Blackbeard probay going after what wg is going after smth related to sabo and vivi

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So neither pirates nor wg will be coming to wano

grizzled fog
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Btw thought about a possible new move for law during the upcoming BM fight.
Anestesia Shot (or something like that)
Basically an attack that paralyzes the enemy for a time

grizzled fog
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Elaborate? We know what two of them are

turbid locust
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Anyone have a theory about romance in OP? Lol

pure raven
light pond
pure raven
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K thnx

fierce ruin
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okok i know this is a popular kinda theory or whatever- but i just want to know everyone’s opinion about enel’s potential comeback?-

vague marlin
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Can’t wait

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Eneru op, we know he’s on the moon but I don’t see him coming back to the story lol unless like there’s so kinda weapon on the moon

weary cliff
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Yeah, I don't think he's coming back in any way except a cameo or something

light pond
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We havent even seen eneru post timeskip so i dont think he will have any comeback anytime soon

dark perch
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Sad to say but I don't think Enel is coming back. I think Oda just wanted to show why he went to the moon

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Enel is goated

mint yarrow
dark perch
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Ah lol

static bloom
mighty moth
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luffy is getting gear 5 by chapter 1014

lavish agate
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why did oda even add enel going to the moon it seems a little out of place imo

grizzled fog
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We learnt about the sky people races that way

forest rampart
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Predictions based on Chp 1013:
At the very least, strawhats will learn the real name of Raftel as Laugh Tale from Oden's log book.
But Momo or Yamato might only have the chance to tell strawhats what's the content of the journal likely after they win the fight.
I think even Yamato will let Momo to do the telling part instead of herself since it belongs to Momo's father/ Oden.

grizzled fog
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They already know it’s called laughtale, it’s not like they think it’s Raftel

forest rampart
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Really? The one that Crocus told them?

dusky acorn
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Yeah, the naming dilemma was only a thing for us readers. There's nothing to say it's an actual misconception in-story with the characters

grizzled fog
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It was the audience that didn’t know it was called Laughtale

dusky acorn
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Especially considering there's supposedly only one universal language for the modern OP world, there's no English/Japanese discrepancy or what have you

forest rampart
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I came up with the idea coz of Stampede actually, coz of the word Laugh Tale written on the eternal pose.. Like I think even the Eternal Pose to Nanimonai or Jaya is written in romaji.
but yeah, it has always been ラフテル.

Except that Luffy has destroyed the eternal pose..

pure raven
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What does raftel mean in japanese?
And were the raw words for raftel and laughtale same?

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at the end of one piece, luffy will marry the girl with the meat meat fruit and live happily ever after

lofty fossil
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Boa Hancock would do anything to obtain that fruit and somehow consume it like black beard

pure raven
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lol yup

gloomy canyon
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serious theories only in this channel please

carmine sparrow
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But I'm betting on Cp0

pure raven
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i'd be ok if zeus is dead.. i'd prefer nami getting a devil fruit

light pond
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I dont see nami or any other strawhat(who doesnt have a df already) getting one specially since franky declined the mera mera and not wanting to eat a df and sanji achieving his dream already thru the raid suit

dark perch
wintry pelican
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Theory/parallel between water 7 saga and wano

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In water 7 luffy falls down and USOPO motivates him to get back up and fight

dark perch
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Eh how would Usopp even see Luffy

wintry pelican
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And in the newest chapter LUFFY FALLS so I think he gonna back up and beat the SHIZKER OUT

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I think it’s gonna be someone else

dark perch
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Maybe Yamato but im betting Luffy gets up by himself and flys back up there maybe

wintry pelican
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Yes luffy can fly

grizzled fog
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Getting back up there himself would be totally shit and pointless

wintry pelican
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Ikr

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Someone has to. Motivate him

grizzled fog
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It should be clear by now that luffy needs help to beat kaido, getting his shit kicked in after his confident statement before is supposed to emphasize that, it would totally suck if after that he just flew back up on his own

pure raven
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i mean with a world built up on crazy devil fruits, i don't see why you wouldn't have them in your crew .. people keep saying that nami has her gimmicks but she is the weakest person in the crew .. i think it's going to be from someone that dies and it's going to grow on her tangerine trees

eager trout
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what nami lacks in physical strength she has in brain strength without her they wouldn't even reach the grand line

tacit harbor
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i think marco gon die and i'm sad

gloomy canyon
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this channel is really for extended and thought out theories and discussion. One off comments with no real evidence or elaboration should really go in #manga or #also-manga

tacit harbor
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woops sorry ill keep that in mind

gloomy canyon
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👍

pastel summit
gloomy canyon
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I've made that mistake too many times

pastel summit
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you edited that like 5 times before getting it right.

gloomy canyon
neat sky
warped patio
zinc iris
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Nami already has peculiar abilities, doesn't need at all to stack unrelated powers on top of that

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Same for people like Franky and Carrot getting a df

teal nymph
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has there been any fishman with df ?

zinc iris
teal nymph
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so they survive in water but still affected by df weakness ?

zinc iris
teal nymph
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so they can't use fishman karate

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one of the main abilites of a fishman

zinc iris
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Well there are some ways

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Vander Decken was going around with a bubble coating
Also Fishman karate is usable on the surface too

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But of course Jinbe will never eat a df

teal nymph
zinc iris
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Decken was a chump

teal nymph
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is sasaki a fishman or no conformation yet ?

gloomy canyon
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not confirmed yet

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but potentially

teal nymph
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man i fell the all stars (king, queen ) and flying six were hyped up but none have had any impressive showing till now compared to the sweet commanders (katakuri , crcaker , oven , smoothie etc)

copper frost
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katakuri is the only impressive one there

gloomy canyon
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Cracker was impressive

tired osprey
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cracker with his soldiers are imba in a war

copper frost
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ok, katakuri and cracker yeah

teal nymph
zinc iris
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cracker was the first character that was not dominated by G4 luffy

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so yea he had a strong showing

cyan berry
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he was also the second character that G4 was used against so

zinc iris
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well yes

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but considering how much it flipped the script against doffy, then cracker comes along and handled it just fine

weary cliff
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At this point, I think there are more characters that have withstood G4 than who got bodied. As even with snakeman, most of Luffy's attacks still didnt connect iirc

teal nymph
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did queen go up against G4 luffy or was the fight interrupted by BM

zinc iris
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luffy didn't ever go g4 against queen

pure raven
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Well luffy should be able to win aginst queen now witj coc and ryou

wintry pelican
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Act 4 starts in the next chapter

livid glen
pure raven
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No in next 4 chaps i hope

Then my theory will be right

zinc iris
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!act3

lone hedgeBOT
zinc iris
lunar whale
upbeat wasp
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chapter 1013 just a heads up if it too soon , So B.M can make homies that can take people souls as rant on her island because they ok with it and allow that homie to take it. could any of her homies do that. seeing Zeus is weaken now and may have most most of B.M soul could nami put part of her soul in zeus now making it more nami soul power vs b.m soul power.

vestal rampart
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probably not

queen arrow
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Nami doesn't have the soul-soul fruit

weary cliff
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Yeah, nothing we've seen shows this to be possible. The only think I can even think of is because how BM's vivre card had soul energy, maybe the process of making the card has to do with slight soul manipulation. And since Yamato knows how to make cards, maybe they will know someway to stabilize Zeus with Nami's soul. However this is all a stretch that puts Luffy to shame, so don't count on it

latent zodiac
vestal rampart
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Usopp would prob lead the tontattas and some others

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he'd prob have 8k under him bc thats such an iconic number for him. The problem is just where are they going to find that many more ppl....

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maybe from the revolutionary army but they alr have commanders

pastel summit
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you realize the grand fleet has around 8000 people in it, right?

latent zodiac
vestal rampart
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lmao maybe

latent zodiac
vestal rampart
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even akainu is scared of usopp. so much so that his obs haki wont work

pastel summit
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oh wait, I was wrong. I think you're right. might be about 1-2k short.

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for some reason I thought the yonta maria had 5.6k people, but it only has 4.3k

dull pumice
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I really doubt Usop is going to lead anybody

polar bison
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it’s 5600 in total

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Orlumbus announces the overall number tho

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I doubt the GF will get any bigger (or in any way be led by Usopp), but I could see some or all of the other allied forces totaling 8k

hollow grotto
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yeah I was vague in saying 'every allied member' rather than just the fleet lol

polar bison
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whether that’s alabasta, minks, the wano samurai, or some combination of above

hollow grotto
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just some culmination of all the different allies built along the way coming together would be nice to see

latent zodiac
pure raven
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yo

hidden tinsel
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You guys think the final battle vs Kaido will be just the SH

pure raven
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ik that this is a crossover but do yall think luffy could beat naruto after he beats kaidou with ryuo and advanced observation haki?

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and what do yall think gear 5th will look like?

polar bison
sleek vale
dull pumice
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Barto isn't weak at all, nor is he a coward ZeusMonka

delicate sedge
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hi
Kaido has shown to care about his subordinates, at least the strong ones.
Will he confront big mom if they tell him about the ulti thing and how it looked like she helped the straw hats?
LuffyThink

languid rune
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Barto > law LawWat

polar bison
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they’re enemies again, and it’s why I think the raid is finally absolutely going to succeed, because the whole issue of “taking down two yonkou” is no longer one. BM is her own party, and Kaidou can no longer win. half his army has defected or otherwise been turned, it’s just a few officers and him that need to be taken care of, and the allies have more than enough for that, especially with BM giving a helping fist to P1 and Ulti

empty nebula
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momo (and shinobu) will jump off to save luffy... momo will have to confront his fears (of height and all)... and control his df..
there are 2 ideas i have after this. either momo will bring him to onigashima or take him to mainland wano.... (if no one saves luffy, and he falls on land... he would be doing the exact feat that kaido did... falling from sky no protection)
momo shinobu luffy will meet tenguyama or otsuru to help heal/feed luffy..

momo and shinobu will have to stop onigashima from dropping like a nuke. and so momo will sacrifice his life years... and ask shinobu to use her ripe rip fruit to get older to control the fire clouds and catch a falling carry onigashima and carry it to udon or some dessert or some factory area.

for kaidos back story i feel yamato has to be there... and i feel luffy wouldnt be there. as he doesnt care. this is probably what it is heading to..

though i dont know how kanjuro/kiku+kinemon/who ever kinemon is going to protect momonosuke from dynamics is gonna play out...

thick sky
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Rot rot fruit, I mean ripe ripe fruit doesn't work that way afawk

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But yeah momo should have some important role to play in the war

empty nebula
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I always felt it was sus that despite it was shown used sparingly that too for rotting... It was named ripe ripe..

pseudo citrus
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where would it make the most sense for Yamato to confront Kaido? before 1013 I though for sure on the roof, but now I can only imagine Kaido is heading down, so maybe this would also be a good chance for more alliance people learn about the Yamato/Kaido relationship? everyone should know the name, since Kaido announced he would be the new shogun, so it would be cool for everyone to see Kaido-Yamato fighting, but if it happened in the dome, for example, would Kaido stop King/Queen/etc. from interfering?

exotic echo
pseudo citrus
exotic echo
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yeah it could work out that way too. I'm expecting a dialogue between Yamato/Kaido with the two of them alone to segue into a flashback, and the best place for that seems to be the roof. Also Yamato did just say she's headed up there, so I just figure that it's what we'll see. But who knows, maybe they meet somewhere in the middle

quiet quiver
supple nimbus
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Hmmm 5-7 chaps?

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It's kaido we're talking about.

pseudo citrus
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how long was big mom's flashback?

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if we have to cover rocks history, forming an alliance with orochi, and some yamato backstory, I could imagine it being pretty long

grizzled fog
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A lot of that can be super quick, I can see it being 3-4 chapters

pseudo citrus
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oden was 960-973, so 14 chapters? and that covered a lot, so yeah I could see 3-4

pure raven
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I’m excited to learn more about rocks

verbal lodge
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Yo, what if zeus ends up devouring hera?

vestal rampart
empty nebula
# vestal rampart shinobu's fruit can make ppl older like bonney's?

Never mentioned canonically. But the fact that it was called ripe ripe fruit (juku juku no mi) (juku is kanji for to ripen) not decay decay or rot rot... That is what sets me off towards this tangent.. why would oda call something this and then use it so sparingly... Can you imagine how easily shinobu can just hide with momo by rotting away the attackers and just staying there in some hole?

vestal rampart
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hmm, maybe momo will end up becoming super old or smth lol

coarse hinge
sacred hawk
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Remember how mother carmel made that one sun homie in Elba?

vestal rampart
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big glow down

vestal rampart
sacred hawk
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What if Nami gets that as her next powerup when they go to Elbaf?

coarse hinge
sacred hawk
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And if that happens, it would be possible for Nami to replicate Big Mom's Maser Cannon attack, since Nami saw her use it firsthand

empty nebula
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Shinobu never "rotted" or "decayed" her enemies... Even to protect momonosuke.. she has a df power that she doesnt use often.. not even to hide and run from attackers.. its kinda like oda wants us to forget so he can surprise us at the big reveal like hah it was in front of you all

coarse hinge
sacred hawk
vestal rampart
empty nebula
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Nami can store clouds(in form of whether balls) in her tempo and zeus and one end of that tempo is in hera's mouth..

coarse hinge
vestal rampart
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yall think nami will end up with only zues or with BM's fruit in general?

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meaning BM will have to die

coarse hinge
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Only Zeus

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There's no another reason

vestal rampart
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true

empty nebula
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Big moms character arc will mostly end in elbaf. She needs to confront her past and her abandonment issues.. and what ever disorder she has that triggers amnesia and practically dissociative identity (mother mode with 10yr or younger)

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And only people of elbaf know about what she did to mother carmel... Who she thinks just disappeared... Not even bege knows this... Probably the giant friend gerd... Her hunger pangs..

coarse hinge
empty nebula
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Didnt she use that on the floor/space between floors above orochi where she and nami were crawling around? And not on orochi directly?

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vestal rampart
empty nebula
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I feel it would come to come sort of conclusion as Its too built up to be left open.. its not like other series...

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Big mom and her connection to elbaf and the fact that giant straw hat in mary geoise was too big to be a humans... and buggy's giants employees... Those are the only two three things connecting to elbaf for sure... We dont have a vivre card or eternal log pose . we would be lucky that randomly next few mini island on log pose RNG end up being leading to elbaf.. ussop- brave warrior of sea-thing

vestal rampart
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yea maybe lol

empty nebula
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Elbaf could be far into end game time too.. as if big mom is defeated by kidd or others.. or even if she isnt and she betrays kaido or whatever... Chasing straw hats to next arc is repetitive... Instead big mom gets defeated by many many people.. we get to go to some other islands.. and later in series... When its time for dreams to be realized... Maybe near load star or something.. thats when we get to elbaf... Find out about joy boy or who ever that hat belonged to.. big moms past... And luffy said he plans of defeating all yonkous..

but this idea is quite a stretch... Ussop going to elbaf wont be realizing his dream... he would just understand what his dream is... So it could be slightly earlier in series like next major arc. But i dont think big mom would be chasing straw hats... Maybe straw hats will chase her? I mean she might have elbaf eternal log pose on big momma chanter..

cedar sinew
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@still hound not the channel for that.

grizzled fog
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Does anyone know if Cp0 has any idea Drake is in wano? Or if they even know he’s a marine?

swift snow
ancient vault
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No

grizzled fog
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Specifically if they know there’s a sword agent in wano, that’s what I’d like to know

empty nebula
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They wouldn't know most likely it felt like a very secret group made for a special motive

ancient vault
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Thats a bad argument tbh. SWORD is designed to be unknown

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And a very specific group for like yash said special/specific goal

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But im not sure if they found out when he swirched sides

grizzled fog
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If they don’t, I had an idea that Cp0 would report the defeat of Kaido (and BM hopefully) to the government, and I believe the Gorosei would find some way to tell this to sakazuki, whether they just outright say it, or they anonymously report it somehow down the chain, around the same time however I think Sakazuki will receive a report from Drake about the fall of the two yonko, and when he realizes the WG somehow found out at the same time I think he’s gonna figure out that they had agents in wano

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Not sure what it would lead to, maybe just a bit more friction between the marines and cp0/wg

swift snow
grizzled fog
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I’m sure the top marines, at least Akainu knows tbh, those were fodder low ranks he was hiding it from. But yes I still think cp0 is unaware of drake’s presence

empty nebula
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Akainu knows about existance of cp0 and the role they play.. he is a lap dog.. though his personal idea of absolute justice might come to counter... this thought of dealing with pirates

grizzled fog
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He knows of their existence obviously, that isn’t a secret. But he probably doesn’t know they’re in wano dealing with orochi

queen arrow
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since X-Drake reported to Coby about CP-0 in Wano i think it's likely that Akainu already knows they're there

grizzled fog
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ah true

gilded wagon
proud tree
lime python
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There's no proof that akainu doesn't know sword

drowsy marsh
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More likely that Akainu knows Sword. Guy even has a sword tattoo

dusky acorn
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It's secret to most everyone, but it also hails from Navy HQ. Meaning some sort of head honcho(s) there would presumably know about it. Akainu just happens to be a primary figure whom would know about it, given his position

I wouldn't assume Drake is the absolute leader and definitely not founder of SWORD given his age and original authority in the marines only being that of Rear Admiral

drowsy marsh
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Aging Momo kinda makes sense. It feels like he is a bit too young to be a ruler or to accompany the crew to elbaf

polar bison
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i don't rlly see why he would accompany the crew to elbaf

queen arrow
proud wren
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I think Dracule Mihawk is a vampire. He has cross themed weapons, his name sounds like Dracula, he lives in a spooky castle, and he rides alone in a spooky boat because he's afraid his crewmmates would get turned if he had any. The existence of vampirism would also explain how Imu achieved his implied immortality, and why he has never been seen in sunlight.

queen arrow
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Mihawk has been seen in sunlight

polar bison
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we meet him in the day

proud wren
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I misspoke, I meant vampire hunter

polar bison
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LOL

proud wren
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He has a cross sword so he can stake vampires

queen arrow
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also doesn't make sense

visual merlin
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do you mean that we haven't seen Imu in sunlight then?

queen arrow
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otherwise people would know he hunts vampires, or he'd say something about it

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Mihawk is just vampire themed with his name being Dracule and all

polar bison
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if vampire hunting was a thing that the world's strongest swordsman considers a worthy job, why is it completely absent in the story thus far

proud wren
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We hadn't heard about gifters until pretty late until the series

queen arrow
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Gifters started existing post timeskip

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they're a very recent thing even in-universe

proud wren
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We don't know about every aspect of the one piece universe, the way it's set up allows for new species to be introduced with each island

polar bison
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and also they're almost entirely relegated to one pirate crew, which we didn't see onscreen until chapter 795

visual merlin
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rBats who are you saying we haven't seen in sunlight?

polar bison
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imu

queen arrow
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the earliest mention of Smiles is at Sabaody when Doflamingo abandons his slave trade

proud wren
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We didn't know about genetically altered super soldiers until WCI. Robots were there but not super soldiers

polar bison
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in context he's definitely speaking about imu and being immortal

visual merlin
polar bison
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it's true

queen arrow
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this theory is ridiculous in many levels

proud wren
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Hes vampire hunter themed

polar bison
proud wren
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We don't know if thats how devil fruit work, they could just be magic

visual merlin
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"and he rides alone in a spooky boat because he's afraid his crewmates would get turned if he had any" where does this come from?

proud wren
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Like the magical fire guy that was introduced in dressrosa

polar bison
queen arrow
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he's not vampire hunter themed, Mihawk is vampire themed, he travels around in a coffin boat, his name is Dracule, he lives in a castle

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magical fire guy?

proud wren
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I think it's silly to suggest that no new species will be introduced in upcoming one piece arcs.

polar bison
queen arrow
visual merlin
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Im going to have to agree that this is a bit ridiculous

hidden tinsel
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Or Mihawk D Racule UsoppSus

polar bison
proud wren
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The vampire zoan could have made more vampires, it's a known vampire power. You basically just confirmed the existence of vampires.

visual merlin
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This takes a lot of reaching and headcanon

proud wren
dusky acorn
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There's only one race left to be shown btw. I highly doubt we would have gone through the entire series without anyone highlighting Mihawk comes from a unique race

hidden tinsel
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I mean we got the wolf dude from cp9

visual merlin
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We've seen Imu once total, so why does there need to be an explanation of why we haven't seen him in sunlight? The thing about his crew turning into vampires is complete headcanon

queen arrow
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the vampire zoan is from a non-canon videogame

visual merlin
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And as the others have been saying, there's no evidence this species/race exists anyway

queen arrow
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also Mummy isn't the one who shot fire

proud wren
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I got Mummy and Damask mixed up

queen arrow
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and that doesn't seem to be "magic" either

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he has a mask on his face that could certainly have a device in it like a dial

hidden tinsel
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Wonder what the rest of the worst generation doing rn

queen arrow
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last time we've seen each of the ones not in Onigashima right now, Urouge was on Ballon Terminal, Bonney was in Mary Geoise and Bege was leaving Dressrosa after the events of his cover story

hidden tinsel
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So Urouge went to Skypiea, Balloon place, next Onigashima 🤔 maybe hes checking out every sky island UsoppSus

polar bison
queen arrow
polar bison
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without the mythical zoan to turn other ppl in canon, how's it supposed to happen

proud wren
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If it's not cannon it doesn't confirm or deconfirm, theres a non-canon arc with a dragon in it @polar bison

polar bison
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this is different because it's a devil fruit

queen arrow
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that's not even the first reason why that theory is dumb

polar bison
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oda specifically only allows non canon devil fruit concepts that he knows won't be used

polar bison
proud wren
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That only means theres no vampire devil fruit, it doesn't mean vampires won't show up.

polar bison
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vampires won't show up because like,,,, lol

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I'm so curious about what happened with Kuma,,, because I feel like it's almost certain he died

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I don't think Oda's going to go back on him telling the SHs it'll be the final time he sees them, and Doffy was pretty clear that he was already a walking corpse during Marineford.

and that means,,, that the Revos and Bonney's best option is to kill him properly, that he might rest instead of being used as a slave

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and wondering about where they both go from there, and what happens to Kuma's fruit,,, that's very interesting to me

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maybe Kuma's fruit just exits the story, but I feel as though if anyone would have it immediately available upon their death, it'd be him, as he's Vegapunk's foremost experiment, and I feel like Vegapunk must have an idea of how DFs reincarnate, and likely has one on how to influence that. If Blackbeard and his crew knows how to do stuff like killing Luffy/Sabo to immediately get their fruit, surely the best scientist in the world does too?

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of course there's not a lot of options for eating it,,, it's pretty much just Vivi who's up there, relevant to what's going on, and doesn't have a devil fruit

light pond
native rampart
polar bison
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she's not at Mariejois, correct?

native rampart
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Couldnt remember thats why I asked, just trying to spit ball who else could Claim Kuma’s DF

polar bison
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she wasn't

light pond
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The one of MF are sabo, morley, karasu and lindberg

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The only one i think who desont have a df is lindberg but i doubt he will eat kuma's fruit

polar bison
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oh yeah i forgot that Lindbergh doesn't, fair shout. Agree tho that I doubt he'd eat it, though I wouldn't be surprised if he was the one who knew how to access it, as the final member of VP's science team alongside Judge, Queen, and Caesar (what i currently imagine is kuma having some sort of storage in his body containing an actual fruit for the DF to reincarnate into tbh)

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but like,,, if the fruit does end up in Vivi's hands,,, she and Sabo are complete wildcards on where they could be rn, because she could send them anywhere

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and while it's probably not wano, since the Reverie took place a week ago, it also probably makes sense to be somewhere where at least Vivi will intersect with the SHs again soon

storm igloo
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is IM THE FINAL VILLAN?

queen arrow
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maybe

storm igloo
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i forgot the person existed till today quite weird

pastel sinew
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So can we all agree that Usopp is a time traveling Guardian of “D” sent to ensure that Luffy fulfills his destiny?

queen arrow
lone hedgeBOT
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koyabotOk rBats#6824 was warned!

pastel sinew
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I’m just holding out hope for Kuma. also, does anyone have any sort of theory on the connection between him and Bonney?

queen arrow
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the most known theory is that they're related in some way, and maybe they're mother and son

pastel sinew
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I’ve always wondered too why Kuma was called the “Tyrant”. I believe the government called him “Tyrant Kuma” because he was strictly opposed to how the government runs things (hence why he’s a revolutionary) and was so opposed to their rule, that they called him a Tyrant. He was definitely a peaceful ruler who punished enemies that threatened that peace

queen arrow
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because when she becomes old she looks like a queen from the country he was king

proud wren
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It's not a joke theory, his name is literally one letter away from Dracula

pastel sinew
queen arrow
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with that said, they might be brother and sister or cousins or other types of familiar relationship that could still lead to she looking like a former queen

weak arrow
pastel sinew
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I also want to say that there’s a connection between Bonney and big mom. Strictly because they’re both gluttons, and both have pink hair with that tiny smidge of lipstick in the middle

midnight thicket
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Wasn’t there a theory that Bonney is kumas Mum

dusky acorn
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Apparently it's actually been confirmed(?) for a while that Kuma is her father

amber oar
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yeah because there's no clarity on her real age and apparently she hails from the same kingdom as Kuma. Also both grew in poverty despite Kuma was mentioned as a "tyrant king" and Bonney impersonated (or is?) the queen

dusky acorn
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On one of Odas notes for the rough sketches of Bonney, there's a note that says "Let Vegapunk Rehabilitate the father" or something

amber oar
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Oh, when is that from? Looks like vivre card

dusky acorn
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Though if this is the case, I'm not sure why it isn't more widespread or talked about

midnight thicket
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Oh shit no way

dusky acorn
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Yep it's in her vivre card gallery section

amber oar
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due to the lack of translation a lot of vivre cards stuff is still obscure

dusky acorn
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Mip was able to confirm the kanji for "father" is in fact there, but the rest was illegible to him

amber oar
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A clearer image

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grizzled fog
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Huh I’ve never heard this before

dusky acorn
amber oar
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ah I can see it

weak arrow
dusky acorn
# amber oar

Ah nice, just cross-checked translations, that settles it then. good enough confirmation for me

polar bison
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i mean adam no matter how DL u kept it

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the truth of the matter wouldn't change and would eventually come out

dusky acorn
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Well this is interesting because somehow both Kuma and Bonney were poor as children for both of their respective generations. If Kuma is 47, that means Bonney is only like.. 29 max

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I can get Kuma being in poverty if the adoption into royalty only began IN his generation, but for even Bonney? It's weird

amber oar
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maybe Bonney's "estimated" 24 are really 24

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Also maybe Kuma was a "king" a la Dalton

By all accounts a democratically elected president, but as a head of state he's called a king

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even young children know not to mess with a CD, it's just that Luffy and Zoro are massive thickheads

polar bison
weak arrow
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Bonney was succesfully shirahoshi'd Crydo (Taken by a CD during reverie). Kuma became a rev to undo it but the route wasn't fast enough so he became a warlord Crydo

amber oar
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now the question is if Bonney is actually young and impersonated queen Conney, where the fuck is the real queen Conney

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I don't think Bonney is younger than her apparent age, anway. There's like no point on pretending to be a few years older/younger. If you're claiming to be specifically 24 while having powers to age and de-age, is either because you're really 24, or you're well over 40

waxen light
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dude that's insane lmao

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God, I'm dying to learn more about Kuma and Bonney. I was wondering if he was her husband, brother, father, whatever. This is pretty huge BuggyMonkaS

queen arrow
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apparently he was her father

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that's new to me, neat info actually

pastel sinew
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Kuma being her father is just some shit that I wish was revealed in the actual manga

queen arrow
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i don't doubt it will eventually when it becomes relevant

sacred hawk
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Since they were rivals, I want to say that Kaido and Oden were the same age

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And considering Kaido and Big Mom's relationship, and that Kaido was an apprentice on board the Rocks Pirates, him being Oden's age would make sense

grizzled fog
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I wouldn’t call Oden and Kaido rivals really

pure raven
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They were ememies

novel shell
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I think that the will of d was a revolutionist trying to destroy the government in the void era, later when he was executed he left his will in his name. After that the name D. was popular in people who wreak havoc on the government

queen arrow
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the will of D. is probably related to the void century

novel shell
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most definitely

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it isnt a coincidence that nicro robin asked about the void era THEN the will of d

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they are most definitely related

fallow knot
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Is shiki returning to wano?

queen arrow
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no, and wdym returning?

fallow knot
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I just saw strong world movie where I saw a cover of dragon vs gold lion behind shiki' s chair

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After rogers death he meet other members of rocks. So if he meets kaido tht could happen in wano i guess. And he rejected by so maybe he could return

grizzled fog
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That’s noncanon, and we only know of him meeting with Whitebeard

fallow knot
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He was always looking for an alliance. He really gone for others with same deal of conquering.

pure raven
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I think the fourth road ponegliff is in mariejoise

queen arrow
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how did they take it from FMI without being noticed?

fast hollow
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Who is strong now garp or akianu

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Marineford garp or marineford akainu

pseudo citrus
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I would say Akainu... He's at the peak of his strength, while Garp isn't likely to be as strong as when he became the hero

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In a real fight, Akainu's devil fruit would give him a ton of utility too

slate zodiac
scarlet otter
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warning its quite long, but its really worth the read, please take some time and give it a go

exotic echo
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I will give it a read

scarlet otter
junior ether
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sounds interesting :D

scarlet otter
copper frost
scarlet otter
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i really like the theory, i want to say its my go to theory now, but my sample size is almost nil so i cant really comment LUL

copper frost
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its a big one

scarlet otter
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but it really opened my eyes on a lot of the stuff, i actually want to re-experience the series again right now

copper frost
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have you read through the theories in the pins?

scarlet otter
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nop

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il give em a go once i come back in about 40 mins, gonna walk my dog

copper frost
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they're pretty cool

scarlet otter
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Also fair warning, he goes into the comments too, his post is reaaally long

junior ether
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goodness this is long but long is great! it has a lot of detail and its things no one would have thought of or payed any attention to. it covers the void century, laugh tale, joyboy, the location of the one piece Etc. Its great i know you didn't ping me to say anything but like-

scarlet otter
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Yea it covers sooo much, i especially liked a lot of the mythological references and potential inspirations

pastel summit
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No one in the world of One Piece is native to “The Blue Planet” aside from the Fishmen (ironically the race most discriminated against). Everyone comes from the moon(s), the sky people were simply the last to use up the resources on their moon and make the trip to the abundant Blue Planet.
This sounds cool until you remember Alabasta is a civilization that spans millenia. It predates the Void Century by a mile.

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I'll keep reading but that part stuck out to me a lot.

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Not a huge fan of "everyone is from the moons", but it's within the realm of possibility.

hollow grotto
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I'd tend to agree that the Sky people came from the moon but it's likely humans just always had existed on "The Blue Planet".

loud ibex
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Why do people think the next arc is ebalf ?

hollow grotto
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mostly because Elbaf is closer to us than Laughtale and Lodestar, and we're closing in on the end of the series

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there could be another place we head off to before then but that's the general consensus KingShrug

loud ibex
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Imagine if one piece is taking place on one of the moons LOL

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junior ether
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how come you dont see the other moons though

exotic echo
# scarlet otter <@!114296407816404992> <@!186562609254891520> <@!171861037438599169> <@!21658241...

-Sold on the party thing entirely, fits perfectly for all the reasons listed

-Series name being a pun is attractive & falls in line with standard Oda, but I don't think that's the entire treasure. It being

-Im/Dragon Canaanite mythos is enticing

-Serpent stuff is inconclusive/a reach overall- it being a motif doesn't necessarily lead to the conclusions presented. Oda dips into folklore all the time and I don't think it needs to lead to pre-existing references in the future. That said I think it holds a little bit of merit

  • we learned in Ohara there were once seemingly 7 moons This I do not support and also do not like everything it's used to back up in the theory, including the races of the world coming from multiple moons. The other stuff this theory tries to explain works well enough without this having to be true

-Sort of like the Pluton stuff, but the information used to support it is flimsy & irrelevant besides the references to mythology (I don't think Gedatsu's meme cover story of him digging a hole to Alabasta is any supporting evidence)

-Uranus being the egg is pretty standard fare for theories, have been more or less down with that for a while. Can see some scenario where we meet the Roc as the theory calls it nested somewhere on the tree at elbaf (and admittedly, if that were to happen it starts falling in line further with the norse myths described as well). Just read a bit further in the theory and this was addressed, so, cool. Other supporting evidence feels stable

  • I don't really have any opinion on the D stuff

-The devil fruit sickness/curse thing is cool & I hadn't heard it before.

-Joy boy eye patch & Odin stuff is cool

Missed some of the minor/more "standard" stuff I've seen before that i may/may not agree with, but just some final thoughts for your reading pleasure here.

I think with the introduction of beings like Zunesha and as the scale of the series increases, seeing something like a "sea god" or w/e isn't totally out of the

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exotic echo
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Isn't totally out of the question. I like a lot of stuff about this, a few things here & there that are pretty big reaches but it's fun overall, and I think bits and pieces of this theory are bound to be correct by the end of the series

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Not necessarily all of it, but a few things really work. Especially the party thing, that's gonna just be my headcanon from now. The dialogue actually works perfectly

pastel summit
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My only gripe with the party thing is literally the one thing that isn't mentioned at all in regards to it

exotic echo
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Yeah one last note, there were a few pieces of common misinfo there that I disagree with, like what choc said, the pluton being housed in alabasta (this isn't necessarily true), and the 7 moons shit which i despise

pastel summit
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which is yamato's reaction. why crying?

exotic echo
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Need her flashback to know for sure. But WB's dialogue there about it is just perfection

pastel summit
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Like, it's a "noble" dream at all, but it seems like it's something that personally touches her. but as far as we know, she's not like a party type or something.

exotic echo
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It'd be something more impactful rather than just "yo sick party", there's some room for that to get expanded on during her flashback or from info we learn from oden's log

pastel summit
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I don't agree with One Piece being tied to the party at all though. I can agree with the party stuff being Luffy/Roger's and maybe even Joy Boy's goal, but I do not think it's the One Piece.

exotic echo
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I do not either. Did I say that? Sorry if I didn't

pastel summit
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Oh nah, just was saying that in general.

copper frost
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it strictly being a whole party is not my cup of tea as well, its tangible as a treasure and as a story as well, in my opinion

exotic echo
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We already know it's tangible and that's addressed in the post

copper frost
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nah i mean that i'd prefer if it was just not a party itself "one peace" that they claim but also i think, like choc said, its not something i would like to be tied to the party only

pastel summit
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We were talking about this yesterday for a bit, but if you're aware, One Piece is called "ひとつなぎの大飛鋪” in jp or "hitotsunagi no daihiho" which can be translated a few difference ways. One of them, which imo is the most likely translation, loosely fits with the party, but it's like "the great hidden treasure that connects all man/people"

copper frost
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oh yeah, i've seen that as well, interesting tidbit

pastel summit
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I like the stuff about the sea god being trapped in the red line, though idk how likely it is, it could be interesting, as well as a decent origin for DFs. We've argued about it a thousand times so don't think we need to go into why I don't like the Umi Umi no Mi, though at least this one has kind of an explanation for it, but I think it's a weak one.

copper frost
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umi umi no mi is basically the water fruit right?

pastel summit
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sea sea fruit, yeah

pure raven
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Must be op fruit

copper frost
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i dont even like the concept of it since it becomes this special fruit that will break all concepts of the rules established in universe regarding the sea so far and its just a bad deus ex machina to include into the story where it wont even fit properly

pastel summit
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The idea of the bell being used to calm the sea god is interesting. I do not think it is the case though. because of this.

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pastel summit
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this is something I've been thinking about a lot. "We are the ones who weave history with the reverberations of the great bell" I think this may tie Shandora as being the centre of the ancient kingdom, and they LITERALLY weaved history. Wano made the glyphs, the people of Shandia actually told the history, and the golden bell connected the nations somehow.

exotic echo
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Yeah the theory takes skypiea at large ALL the way to the bank, with a tinfoil hat on. I think a good chunk of that stuff won't be relevant outside of the arc

scarlet otter
exotic echo
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anyway marc, I gave my reply if you got the ping

pastel summit
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wait wrong one. I don't use reddit.

copper frost
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uranus being a beast similar to the roc is somewhat of a stretch imo, i would prefer it was a mechanical beast ship that has the power to destroy whole islands

pastel summit
exotic echo
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Maybe you're misunderstanding, because that's exactly what I was saying there

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For his theory specifically, the good chunk

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Skypiea from my general perspective was the biggest set-up for the endgame of the series pre timeskip

pastel summit
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Note - I believe this is why Buggy and Toki both come down with a sudden sickness as they approach the end.
He also says this, but when does toki get sick?

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not like she went to LT. And she didn't have the fruit for 800 yrs. I mean, I guess she did, but not really.

copper frost
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referring to toki getting sick near wano

pastel summit
scarlet otter
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i pretty much agree with most of the stuff you said fats yea, i think the planet thing might come into play later simply due to the fact that we've only seen 1 moon, if its then stated that those arent moons but other planets or something and it was just a general model of the system i wouldnt mind either,
the serpent thing i think is a really cool idea but i can see how that could be a little "far fetched"
i dont think the gedatsu thing was evidence more so than showing that digging into the planet is not an idea that is new to the series
the roc thing i really liked and thought it would be cool to have another "natural" kind of weapon like shirahoshi, and with pluton being a "man-made" sort of weapon
the D stuff is still vague as hell yeah LUL i also dont really have an opinion on it
the DF stuff is super dope, but if that stuff is leaning towards this theory then its likely a lot of the other things are too
and finally im absolutely sold on the party thing, especially with the "one piece" being the party, whilst still having an actual treasure, it being all the riches from shandoria that joyboy took and hid away

dark palm
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oh that reddit post, I really disagreed with a lot of that actually

scarlet otter
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how come you disliked the moons thing fats?

pastel summit
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but yeah. the robin line has led me down a path. I think each country had a role in contributing to the ancient kingdom's greatness. Wano were stone masons, Minks were guardians, Shandians were weavers of history- as in they actually told it to be written on the poneglyphs. The Rio (Real) Poneglyph also being 9 specific poneglyphs being read as one ties into the idea that the history was woven. Fishmen idk. I've tried looking into it, and it's really just joyboy's promise.

pastel summit
scarlet otter
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not necessarily, could be a "remodelling" of how the moons looked like, its vague enough where both ideas could be true

dark palm
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I like things that try to use mythology to base their theories, but holy shit did that post way overemphasize its importance

pastel summit
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Oh, I also forgot about the Tree of Knowledge. Existed for thousands of years, kinda breaks the idea that only fishmen and random creatures are the original inhabitants of the world.

scarlet otter
pastel summit
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Oh yes, the moon will be important. but I do not think every race originated from a moon and then migrated.

exotic echo
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I'm sorry but I can't bring myself to rant too much about multiple moons right now, but I hate that it contradicts everything else we know in favor of a minor panel basically

dark palm
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it really does

copper frost
dark palm
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esp with the sulong importance lately

scarlet otter
pastel summit
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I'm talking strictly in regards to the ancient kingdom, void century stuff. I think the moon is important because it outlines the history of the shandians who are central to the ancient kingdom. The moon was advanced enough to have a full electricity system that runs through it and advanced robots and such.

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and we know the shandians originate from there.

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Someone also theorized in here that Karakuri Island is related as well, which I wouldn't mind.

exotic echo
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OH one last thing... This theory actually sucks, no mention of the emerald city CrocoKidEvenMoreDistorted

scarlet otter
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i dont know why, but it feels weird to me that the ancient kingdom would be comprised of multiple countries, to me it feels like it would be something thats very solitary and unique, not some congregation of multiple countries and cultures

pastel summit
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The trademark smile before death isn’t reserved to just the D, but all of those in the alliance that seek to push toward true freedom.
MomoNotLikeThis I hate this meme. Ignores people like Bellemere and Hiruluk to push this meme. It's just people who are satisfied with their life, die with a smile on their face.

exotic echo
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Some of the more minor things about the theory I really subscribe to, like Joyboy wearing an eyepatch, Luffy's dream being throwing a gigantic party. I like those a lot and don't think you need tons of evidence from the myths to even feel that those are likely to happen

scarlet otter
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also take my points with a big grain of salt, i dont usually read theories and my memory of small details is lacking, il probably use this channel a lot more once i do a read through

dark palm
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remember when law was about to die

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and cried

exotic echo
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that's the Water clan

scarlet otter
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they eye-water clan 😭

dark palm
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do multiple moons people think oda is saving the explanation or something weird?

exotic echo
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I don't know... I think you just get so deep into the theorycrafting/Youtube community around it that you start believing it eventually

dark palm
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we would have had SOME indicator present in the story, it was just a geocentric model

pastel summit
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Well, the theory is that they're currently destroyed, right?

copper frost
pastel summit
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from the "Sea God"? I think that's an okay explanation, but I am really not a huge fan of everyone being from a moon, coming here millenia ago, then those moons being destroyed

copper frost
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its absurd but they're so deep down that hole and conclusive that its honestly the thing they believe will certainly happen

exotic echo
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Even if they're currently destroyed you then have to not only go through the hoops that Juba is mentioning, but also the hoop of how Ohara would know, how they'd go about creating a model, etc. It just becomes even more complicated at that point

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as opposed to a 2-word explanation

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for a single panel

pastel summit
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I will agree on the joyboy eyepatch stuff, I think that feels like a lock. If that AP translation is true that Oda planned on there being an eyepatch pirate near the end.

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Well, Ohara would know because they have knowledge documenting millennia of history.

scarlet otter
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i still cant find that island coordiantes thing and the joyboy eyepatch thing

exotic echo
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Those theories are almost vain in how confident they can be while going against the entirety of the series in favor of one tinfoil crusted panel

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idk. It just is my least favorite theory ever

scarlet otter
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reddit UI is designed by apes

exotic echo
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I won't be mad if it's true, but I will be mad at all the smug coinflip theorists

dark palm
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I also disagree on the nidhoggr stuff being "devil fruits taking powers from the tree"

copper frost
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i am still baffled over the (x, y, z, t) coordinates thing lmao

scarlet otter
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where is the coordiantes thing

pastel summit
scarlet otter
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the nidhoggr thing was devil fruits taking power from the snake* not from the tree, the snake's power was being absorbed by the tree

pastel summit
scarlet otter
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ah i found it, damn i missed a whole page

dark palm
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same shit

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point is that I disagree on the myth of nidhoggr being used in a manner such as that

scarlet otter
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i think its pretty out there, but i think it holds some weight

dark palm
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the point of nidhoggr is the herald of the apocalypse, basically. To represent the jumpstarter of change

scarlet otter
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isnt that jormungandr though, with his whole ragnarok thing

dark palm
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nidhoggr is the one to bring ragnarok

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I was making a theory on this a while ago but couldn't really tie it in

pastel summit
dark palm
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but basically, though the beginning of ragnarok is when the snake lets go of its tail, nidhoggr represents the start of the change

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the catalyst essentially

exotic echo
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I think the norse stuff is really compelling at any rate, not only for the obvious reasons like the giants & elbaf and yadayada, but also Oda's love for vikings, those old interviews et cetera

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Any room for Fenrir you think?

copper frost
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loki's children are the one who bring ragnarok, i dont recall nidhogg being anywhere mentioned in the ragnarok myths either in the poetic edda or the prose edda

exotic echo
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Think he'd go FULL parallel?

scarlet otter
dark palm
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and he's merely handwaving nidhoggr into a combo of the "serpents" between the red line

copper frost
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i'm checking the myths right now just a sec

scarlet otter
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it could tie in i guess into how the DFs originated and when, but with that description of nidhoggr it would be quite far fetched

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MoriaPepega yeah this bit is dumb

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copper frost
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this is all i could see in regards to nidhoggr's involvement in ragnarok

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dark palm
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I'll get you the verse

copper frost
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sure

scarlet otter
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what are some of the best theories that are out there, i dont generally read cause i dont want to have an idea of something that's to come to some degree, but im in the mood to read some right now CrocThink

dark palm
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@copper frost

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read this in depth

copper frost
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i was checking this site just now juba lmao

dark palm
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and now I'm doing exactly what I got mad at the guy for

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I'm just pissed he hand-waved it

pastel summit
copper frost
dark palm
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read hitetsukiyaki marc CrocoKid

copper frost
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the zoro theory too CrocoKidEvenMoreDistorted

pastel summit
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Zoro theory is pretty decent too.

copper frost
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the argument under it is just immensely entertaining lmfao

exotic echo
dark palm
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I am holding myself back from commenting on the zoro theory

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as I feel it's an argument I don't want to get in

exotic echo
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We've got a few cool ones

copper frost
dark palm
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oh, I just vehemently disagree with it

copper frost
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i actually kinda agree with it but i'll call it a day over it lol

pastel summit
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I want to do one, but I'm so lazy and now I have really no conclusion. I just go on rabbit holes finding meaningless connections. grief

copper frost
dark palm
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yeah.

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it's basically saying that ragnarok is a repeating process, and that nidhoggr is what remains afterwards

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cycling the world

copper frost
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yeah

pastel summit
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Once I dug into the sea cats, I stopped doing any kind of research. That was when I knew I was just finding weird shit that is probably irrelevant, but you can still make vague connections to.

copper frost
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magni modi (children of thor) and baldr at the end of the day remain as the new gods of the world and it starts anew

dark palm
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gonna hate reread the zoro theory.

pastel summit
dark palm
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in particular this part

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pastel summit
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do you disagree with the conclusion, or the way it was arrived at?

copper frost
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this is going to be interesting Doffycorn

exotic echo
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the crazy thing is, from my perspective, I feel like the context clues of the chapter ALONE rival all the mental gymnastics to go against it

dark palm
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disagree with both, in particular that the notion of kaido thinking the scabbards carried "oden's haki" represents a reasoning for him to have thought Zoro carried advanced CoC in his strike.

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he didn't say "you can use advanced armament too?"

scarlet otter
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i liked the urouge theory

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lemme check out the hitetsu one

dark palm
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this too, I do NOT agree with the theory of the sword having an independent haki

pastel summit
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Yeah. For me, it's Kaido's mentality. Possess a way to hurt him = you possess something special within you. "Only a scant few are capable of possessing this ability that can damage ME. You can hurt me, must mean you possess that ability"

dark palm
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the one thing I can agree with, is that it would be strange for zoro to have already achieved the use of advanced CoC

pastel summit
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the way kaido grabs his chest, realizes he's bleeding and THEN goes on about conqueror's haki to me is more indicative of kaido thinking "how was I scarred? No way, do you have conqueror's haki?!" as opposed to him outright sensing it was used.

dark palm
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since he's not talking about normal CoC here

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so I figure it's enma's doing, in that sense, but still a latent ability he has

pastel summit
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Yeah I think it's just Zoro drawing out the extremities of what Enma could do, and that allowed him to scar kaido. Literally just pure power.

dark palm
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which... could be some repressed CoC ability inside of him

pastel summit
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Kaido's arrogance fits his character, Zoro just being a beast also fits his character. I just think it's thematically more appropriate.

dark palm
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if that's what it "felt" like

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similar to how luffy "felt" kaido's CoC

scarlet otter
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the hitestu one was cool, i forgot a lot of the small details in early wano so il probably appreciate it more after a reread

pastel summit
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I don't think it "felt" like anything. Which is my point with Kaido grabbing his wound. He didn't feel anything, he just assumes CoC was used in order to do something as grave as being able to scar him.

pure raven
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Stupid reason to say but zoro wont be getting coc because

If zoro got coc then the entire series we (4 me )have seen zoro and sanji at equal league so maybe fans will pressure oda to have him coc too or sanji will try or think of way to achieve and then he could also have coc so we got 3 coc usrler also if yamao joins and he also have cic then 4 coc user in 1 crew of 12 memeber then that would be overkill

Even imagining that sanji doesnt get coc tjen even 3 coc user is over kill

All of this based on yamao having coc

scarlet otter
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as far as we know you cant just "figure out a way" to use CoC, its something that's latent in one's will and drive
yamato is not getting coc lol

pure raven
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Well thats why said that even if sanji doesnt get it then it still would be overkill

scarlet otter
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i dont get what you're trying to say

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you think 2 people on luffy's crew having Conq haki is overkill?

pure raven
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I m saying it would bee too much

For a crew to have 3 coc user

I m counting possibly yamato

exotic echo
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you're way too deep in the assumptions to talk about what we already can see on panel

pastel summit
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roger's crew had 4.

pure raven
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And there is a theory in pins

U should see that

scarlet otter
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yea true, roger's crew had 4 LUL

pure raven
pastel summit
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shanks

scarlet otter
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and shanks*

pure raven
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Thats way took in future

scarlet otter
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either way then it was 3, 3 is not overkill by any means

pastel summit
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doesn't really matter though. he had it whether or not he could tap into it at the time.

pure raven
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Well okay then 3 max

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Bur i rather prefer only 2 luffy and yamao

scarlet otter
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???

pastel summit
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I don't really think "have too many on the crew" is a good argument against people having it. It's a really shallow meta reason, not even really an in-universe reason.

dark palm
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just read the raws for 1010

scarlet otter
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yamato has less chance than zoro, why would you pick yamato over zoro

pure raven
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Well we have seen some possible ways

Like thqt black light when usung coc

scarlet otter
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whatever possible ways you may have seen, zoro has more guaranteed

dark palm
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he basically says "no way... you can use haoshoku too?"

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If you want to check my japanese CrocoStare

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exotic echo
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Yeah I'm checking and it seems like you're fully correct, good work

dark palm
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it's a bit more affirmative in context

pastel summit
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Yeah he kinda says that. Though the verb "use" does not exist in the sentence. CrocoStare

dark palm
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"masaka... omae wa... haoshoku wo!!!?"

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I just added use since that's what we call it

pastel summit
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yeah. it's just how jp works vs english. but "masaka" is an expression of disbelief. Which can be interpreted either way.

scarlet otter
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unfortunately juba you made one mistake

dark palm
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I suppose, I just see it as more of him saying "no way, you can use it?" rather than "don't tell me you can use it too..."

scarlet otter
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まさか　お前も。。。　”覇王色”を。。。。。。！！？
masaka omae mo haoshoku wo!!?

tired osprey
dark palm
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!ban, @scarlet otter

scarlet otter
worldly anvil
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hmm so what does it say then

pastel summit
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yeah it's just interpretation. Which is fine, you can have your interpretation as long as you're not acting like this 1 thing confirms it outright.

past river
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marc is correct

dark palm
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same thing, basically

past river
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Well it isn't

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your translation was incorrect if there actually was a ha there not a mo CrocoKid

worldly anvil
tired osprey
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uhhh lol thought u were talking about something else choc lol PedroPalm

worldly anvil
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Japanese language is way too complicated

past river
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Any language is complicated

dark palm
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japanese is more simple for me than arabic at least

scarlet otter
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iirc mo focuses on what was stated prior, i.e "you"
wa would focus on what was stated after i.e the "conqueror's haki" right?

dark palm
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having to learn to read words backwards I_NotLike

worldly anvil
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hehehehehe

pastel summit
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wouldn't omae wa haoshoku wo be something more like "your haoshoku is...?!" vs omae wo which is more like "you haoshoku too...?!" or something? I'm actually not super familiar with jp grammar.

past river
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No

pastel summit
past river
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The sentence here is cut short so it's not a full sentence but

dark palm
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omae mo just means "you too" while omae wa is possessive

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iirc

scarlet otter
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OOHHHH yeah true

dark palm
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I literally replaced the hiragana in my head but didn't write it correctly

scarlet otter
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because kaido also has it, that makes more sense actually, hence his surprise at luffy

worldly anvil
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I think we will know in the anime

warped patio
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I am fluent at reading arabic, even molodiusly, but I do not understand the words, strange

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I think mobile applications bridge the gap of learning languages though

past river
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omae ha marks the 'you' as the topic of the conversation, it would basically say 'it can't be, as for you, CoC...?

warped patio
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How did you guys get so profecient at Japanese @past river, @dark palm & @scarlet otter

dark palm
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I am not proficient, nor is marc

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hydra studies religiously

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I've been better about it lately I guess but it's mostly been kanji learning

past river
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Every day for a year blobbless

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but am not proficient

dark palm
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tfw you give yourself a break for saturday and hate yourself for it

pastel summit
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I'm trying to learn kanji atm. but I haven't done grammar or anything like that.

past river
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I've never taken a single day off since I started

dark palm
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you are my inspiration

past river
vital jungle
past river
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That doesn't me I always learn something new but at the very least I've rehearsed the stuff I've learnt before every day

warped patio
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That is amazing, real world protaganist

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One thing arabic has going for it though is an alphabet of which words are composed of

past river
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also marc, I interpreted this as kaido saying you have CoC as well but referring to kid instead of kaido himself

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oh wait

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this is the zoro statement isn't it

pastel summit
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yeah

copper frost
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"I won't argue about the Zoro theory," Juba said while he eventually wound up arguing about it nonetheless LUL

pastel summit
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Juba always gets dragged into an argument when I'm around.

vital jungle
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When You Aim High, You Sometimes Come Across Fights Not Worth Fighting

dark palm
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choc represents everything I hate about the world

vital jungle
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Marshall 'Blackbeard' D

past river
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At the very least kaido believes zoro has CoC, that much is evident. You can argue he's wrong though.

pastel summit
copper frost
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Kaido a bum, there that's my argument

dark palm
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brb losing my fucking mind grinding monster stats in saga frontier

vital jungle
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oof

dark palm
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oh, the only actual reason I'll agree to this zoro coc thing

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is how tf is it going to come up again

vital jungle
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“Justice Will Prevail, You Say? But Of Course, It Will! Whoever Wins This War Becomes Justice!” -Donquixote Doflamingo

dark palm
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but I then disagree with myself so no matter

scarlet otter
past river
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amerikahi, are you just gonna quote stuff?

vital jungle
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ye

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“People’s Dreams... Have No Ends” -Marshall 'Blackbeard' D.

past river
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Well stop, the channel isn't for quotes but for theories and the discussion around them.

night jewel
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please dont do that in this channel or any other, its disrupting the discussion here

copper frost
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God this is disrupting the flow, I was about to type something and I forgot in the flow

night jewel
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I feel like this is the best 7 moon theory and I still dont like it.the way it heavily relies on "mythology" and whatnot doesnt sit right with me. I like the theory about Luffy's dream, joyboy wearing an eyepatch is cool too (though will he really appear in the very end?), the pluton part is dumb, i like the sea god stuff, pretty cool theory overall but its almost completely relying on mythology and I feel like Oda only loosely based the story off these mythologies, not that I am underestimating him but he himself has said things like " oh, I just took the names in alabasta from an egyptian dictionary I found" lol. but yea, Its not that I dont think oda takes a lot of inspiration from mythology, he most likely does but I think this theory relies wayyy too much on it and I can't like it too much because of that.

pastel summit
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Yeah. I strongly prefer theories which are rooted in things from the manga. cultural/mythological references are cool, but I don't think they're a good basis for a theory.

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they're interesting and possible reference points for like... a general idea? but he uses a lot.

scarlet otter
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yea i agree with the mythos stuff being quite heavy handed. i just liked the idea for it a lot. i think in actuality a lot of these things are probably "true" to some extent but more like nods or inspirations rather than full on implementations of said mythological aspects

copper frost
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I mean, he went too heavy handed into those references, internally within the story itself, the mythology of the one piece world is vast and there are some real life references that can be sprinkled in like the ancient weapon names but just a barrage of references doesn't make it have anymore or any less of an impact that the internal mythology of one piece doesn't fulfil

night jewel
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yup, it does use a decent amount of reference from the manga itself and that is cool and all, the part about luffy's dream was basically using manga only as a reference and I really liked that ( except for what OP thinks the "vast treasure" on laugh tale is). The references to myths he has brought up are very interesting ofc, but Oda may have not taken "heavy" inspiration from them, for example, Joyoboyo might just be a name that he liked and he chose it for one of his characters, who really knows. It was an overall interesting read, but it felt a little like a.... fan fiction I guess? I kept thinking " oh this would be cool, oh yeah this is pretty interesting" but the theory referenced the myths like 100x more than anything the story itself had presented for us

scarlet otter
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fan fiction is a pretty apt term LUL

pastel summit
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more importantly, he got the road poneglyphs thing incredibly wrong so his credibility is out the window. CrocoStare

copper frost
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The hook was pretty interesting, the introductory argument for it was interesting but somewhere along the way, it just became less and less believable, and the fact that it was so detailed and long made it seem very conclusive

worldly anvil
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Choc remember everything about theories huh lolol

copper frost
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We just discussed it sometime ago

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Like an hour or so, it's not impossible to remember that which we discussed a short amount of time ago lmao

scarlet otter
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i liked shimon's urouge theory too

night jewel
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who cares if it wasnt good, it got multiple wholesome 100 awards on reddit !

scarlet otter
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felt pretty solid

copper frost
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Dude definitely put in the effort, that's commendable

worldly anvil
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awards on reddit make no senses

night jewel
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just kidding though, yeah i respect the amount of work he put into it, all the research he did, definitely commendable

copper frost
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The coordinates thing is still killing lmfaoo

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(x, y, z, t) -> certain place, time whatever yada yada

scarlet otter
dusky acorn
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Definitely think his addition as a BB commander is the reason why the Sweet Commander feat was given in the first place

Like, even now the main rebuke I hear from those who get told the hypothesis is that Urouge is too weak and what not to become a Captain, but his Snack feat is totally a reversal on what we used to think from his bounty/lackluster showing at Sabaody

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It's also interesting if it's the case too, because it means the general public, people like Gatz/Brulee who've commented on the 10 Captains and Urouge knew about it this whole time

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It's only something unspecified and not privy to us readers

tired osprey
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tbh I think his feats in SA was quite impressive compared to most supernovas, i think its just him having the lowest bounty is what makes people underestimate him, but the bounty is just supposed to be a buddhism reference

dusky acorn
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Yeah, I think it was his bounty coupled with the fact that he was matched up against Killer. Like people probably thought, wow this Supernova captain is only matched against a Supernova subordinate? LUL

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Even though both have perfectly good reasons. One, the Buddhism reference you mentioned, and two, Killer is actually strong as heck

copper frost
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Surprise, surprise, Killer is also a Supernova regardless lmfao

scarlet otter
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killer 🤵‍♂️ 🍷

pure raven
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(wa is obvs は in that sentence)

past river
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you are correct

pastel summit
scarlet otter
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Rip embed MoriaFeels

twin summit
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what you guys think will katakuri go in wano?

copper frost
scarlet summit
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i hope bb to come in totto not in wano it'll just make him as an annoying charactet

unborn hawk
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since kata lost to luffy, he's probably on some kind of probation from big mom

cerulean coyote
twin summit
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well bb is sailing rn

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maybe he will go at wano or totto

weak arrow
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BB is going somewhere the marines are going. So we know it’s 100% not totto land or wano

pure raven
weak arrow
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The one place we know the marines aren’t going are Tottoland and wano

pure raven
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I knew about wano but..

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Why arent marines going to tottoland?

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Is it because its an emperors territory?

exotic echo
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@pastel summit On that Yamato thing we talked about earlier

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Guess this would be the reason

pastel summit
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Hmm. I guess so.

exotic echo
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I'd kind of hope for a bit more on that, not specifically, but when we learn some of the more gritty details of her imprisonment it'll make the Oden obsession and crying over something like that feel real

pastel summit
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I guess she feels some empathetic connection between how Oden reacted to the same thing?

worldly anvil
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Oden wouldn't be Oden....

exotic echo
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Yeah, or maybe just like... That log must have been her only real connection to the outside world for a long time, so it's like the same sort of attachment we'd get to X favorite story, except it's real

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so those highlights like that showing back up irl would be a powerful moment

worldly anvil
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hmm Yamato been trapped in Wano for prob about 25 years

livid glen
heady cairn
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Shanks is a celestial dragon, children of im and nephew of xebec

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Its true i am oda 2

vestal rampart
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lol prob not

weary cliff
pseudo citrus
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so what you guys are saying is that yamato wanting to become oden because that's their only connection to the outside world is basically the same as all of us choosing from our favorite characters to have as our avatars? POGGERS

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so if I use a yamato avatar once they hit the anime, I'll just be a second order oden fanboy? NotLikeGura

pure raven
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It's a step beyond that. Yamato idolises Oden and wants to be him.

pseudo citrus
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the justification they gave was that "since the scabbards are dead, someone has to carry on oden's will. I'm the only one that knows, so it has to be me" so I imagine we'll get some development once they find out that the whole raid is carrying out oden's will, and again once kaido falls and wano opens

worldly anvil
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How ya think they telling people that wano is open?

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in the future ofc

pseudo citrus
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I guess I imagined Morgans writing about it in the paper

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"5th Emperor Luffy topples Kaido and opens Wano!" sort of thing

worldly anvil
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hmm, would it be safe to assume Morgan got a spy in the beast crew?

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or even an informant

pseudo citrus
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either that or an independent observer around, however he normally gets his info... I'm assuming he wasn't at the reverie himself but was still well informed

worldly anvil
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yea it's interesting tho on how he get his news even tho not all of them are correct lolol

pseudo citrus
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I can also assume, whatever happens, luffy will get the credit, as is tradition

worldly anvil
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indeed

grizzled fog
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We’ve got no indication of this, and he didn’t have anyone in BM’s crew

pseudo citrus
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just because morgans has reported stuff quickly, he likely has means of getting information from various places. also, just from a wider manga standpoint, that character archetype (information broker) often has spies in the various organizations

polar bison
# dark palm oh, the only actual reason I'll agree to this zoro coc thing

tbh I should like,,, significantly edit that theory bc it is outdated in terms of what and how I understand what happened,,, but im gonna stand by my interpretation of Zoro’s character as that of one fundamentally unlike a haoshoku user as we’ve been described it until it’s confirmed he has it, because that’s why I believe it. the uncertainty around him apparently not using it, Kaidou’s judgment, and what actually happened there + is happening with Enma is just what gives me the excuse to believe it

empty nebula
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what does opening wano mean? allowing foreigners to come? marines to come?

ancient vault
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To be able to leave and enter

empty nebula
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it was imposed to "protect wano from evil forces" no?

glad breach
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Wano was prob allied w the ancient kingdom and joy boy

ancient vault
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Yeah

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Ryuma stopped them from entering all alone

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Lol he was so strong no one dared to ever try again in the fear of another ryuma chilling in wano KataOmegaLUL

weary cliff
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Opening the country is exactly like real world Japan around the 1800's. It would no longer be a crime for Wano citizens to leave, and the borders will be open to trade with other islands. How the WG and Wano will interact, we just have to see

glad breach
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I think wano will be luffy first Official territory

ancient vault
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Doubt

glad breach
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Why since kaido is gone

ancient vault
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Wano wont go under another foreigner ruler

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of any sort. Even if it isnt directly ruled by luffy

glad breach
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Momo will be the ruler luffy is more like the protector

ancient vault
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Theyre just gonna be allied

glad breach
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Like fishman island w Neptune and big mom

weary cliff
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Difference was BM owned FMI. She could wreck it if she wanted and Neptune couldn't do anything about it

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I agree, they will be allied to SH

glad breach
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That’s true but luffy did say after beating big mom he will make fishman island his territory so I doubt Fishman island will be his only territory

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Maybe not wano but definitely other islands

ancient vault
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Didnt he already have his flag in FMI?

weary cliff
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Iirc, yeah

pure raven
glad breach
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I don’t remember but it’s not his territory even Neptune said in the reverie that fishman island needs to be under luffy protection ASAP

pure raven
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And he will destroy FMI so we don't care

ancient vault
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Barto really said fuck the yonkos we going wild

glad breach
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Crazy how shanks just took that

ancient vault
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Barto probably chilling on shanks ship rn being tortured 330

pure raven
weary cliff
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Who knows how he's responding. Maybe that's what Oda meant about Shanks finally making his move lol

worldly anvil
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Little he know Luffy will kill Barto

pure raven
worldly anvil
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Hehehehe

glad breach
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Shanks had a reputation to protect and some random pirate w a bounty 1/10 of his just took over his island

worldly anvil
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Jk jk

pure raven
glad breach
pure raven
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Like Vivi who can't say she is with them because alabasta will be out

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Nah i check, the newspaper don't mention the name of the people

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Find the moment : sorry it's in french (that the chapter 906) , Leo ask why is he here as a pirate (secretly) and he says it's for break the contract of kano and the government

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queen arrow
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Sai is saying that he and the happosui navy will break affiliation with the Kano Country, not that the country will break affiliation with the government

pure raven
dusty mulch
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I wanna see luffy fall and not dead like kaido did

pure raven
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Kano Kuni who lose a fleet of eight military boats and 1000 men arf

tidal scarab
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Maybe Luffy died. Hopefully Sabo wil find the one piece he is fit to be a pirate king. Imagine a noble who is worthy of being the pirate king becoming one

queen arrow
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Luffy isn't dead

junior cape
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However, Luffy is likely falling over open ocean. If he isn't that means that Onigashima is actually moving pretty quickly, and will be over the capital of Wano within the next few chapters, which means the time limit for the raid is running out.

dusty mulch
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What i meant by that was like when we watched kaido trying to suicide from skypiea but that was just a hint about kaido's durability more like showing off a beast endless strength that runs with him... Luffy being dropped and and making comeback with more energy will definitely compete with kaido's image or level whatever we call...

zinc iris
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wrong channel

sonic plaza
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Guys, what if BB’s 10th titanic captain can read poneglyphs

craggy pumice
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what if Blackbeard can

grizzled fog
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Not the channel for that

craggy pumice
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This meme is really not nearly as good as its worthy to ask in every channel about

midnight thicket
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you know how those 3 cp0 guys are big moms old childhood 'friends' do you think they'll come across each other?

grizzled fog
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Them being her child friends is a theory and a very unlikely one at that

midnight thicket
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but the resemblance is uncanny

grizzled fog
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eh sorta

midnight thicket
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honestly if it is them then it could be the catalyst for a big mom rage

boreal rock
light pond
midnight thicket
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Ah fuck

eager trout
edgy anchor
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Luffy is gonna land on moria's ship frfr

cedar sinew
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@vital falcon if it was deleted then it's fake. Also generally don't mention spoilers outside of #spoilers

vital falcon
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This week is a break so if there was a spoiler I wonder how

cedar sinew
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then it's not a real spoiler

vital falcon
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Anyway we’ll see

uncut grove
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ryumas corpse will come into play during wano let me explain

queen arrow
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how

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I'm pretty sure the corpse was incinerated

weak arrow
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I was waiting for him to type out the theory just to disprove it with that statement

quaint dove
whole jewel
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I just want to see sulong nekomamoshi

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Like I’m so hyped for the Jack revenge match too

grizzled fog
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We saw sulong Neko and inu once, wouldn’t be surprised if we didn’t see them again

whole jewel
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Yeah but I mean like fully in action

junior cape
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I'm curious to see what Nami's real matchup will be, if the Ulti/P1 """fight""" wasn't it

grizzled fog
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We saw them against kaido somewhat, but again, don’t be surprised if they don’t go sulong again. The time sulong in general is likely over tbh

junior cape
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IDK

whole jewel
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I think overall the raid is gonna take like a quick pause or lose and then rematch

junior cape
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They're moving out of the Onigashima weather system, so the skies will clear up I feel, giving the sulong crowd another run for its money

whole jewel
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I mean if the raid fails it causes more problems than it initially had for the participants. I think this will be the only chance they can get but Zoro and Luffy need a quick heal from maybe Hyori if she has that kind of power

junior cape
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We don't even know if Hiyori is there, so it's unlikely. Also, it'd probably be better for Zoro and Luffy to go to the main floor, as both Marco and Chopper are there, so the medical team is no slouch

whole jewel
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True. I can understand that but they didn’t reveal who healed scabbards, right?

grizzled fog
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Luffy probably doesn’t need anywhere near as much help as zoro does to get back in the fight,

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It was Hiyori almost certainly, but she 99% just bandaged them

junior cape
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IDK man he's taken multiple full-power Kaido attacks to the FACE. If he doesn't need medical help, he's tougher than we know.

whole jewel
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Well that goes back to his df and overall tenacity

grizzled fog
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He always needs medical help in his fights, but I think it’s not absolutely necessary to continue fighting like zoro

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And zoro can’t fight a strong opponent again no matter how much medical help he gets here lol

whole jewel
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Yeah it’ll probs be a similar situation to pre timeskip scenarios where zoro gets put out of commission

junior cape
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or it'll be like Alabasta where he surpasses himself again in order to keep moving

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remember he got blended there, he should've died

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But here we are, in the New World, and Zoro still doesn't know when to quit

grizzled fog
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He’ll keep moving to do something, likely fight orochi, but don’t expect anything major

pastel summit
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actually, zoro does know when to quit. He has quit fighting right now. The fact that he was conscious while Sanji was bandaging him, and didn't protest means Zoro has no intention of fighting any more in the raid.

junior cape
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I guess so

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Unless he has to, that is

uncut grove
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and how it can mean the same thing as the red hawk with inherited will or whatever

queen arrow
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what

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Ryuma's corpse was stolen by Moria

uncut grove
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i mean that zoro will use one of ryumas skills is what im trying to say

queen arrow
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how

uncut grove
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and i mean shusui

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I think he will get it back

queen arrow
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Zoro doesn't know any of Ryuma's skills, because he fought Brook's shadows, and he already gave Shusui away in trade for Enma and for respect of what the blade means to the country

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he won't get it back

uncut grove
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ok you win

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its just a theory but i just read monsters like an hour ago it was just in my head

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because well 3dny is a thing that explains the unexplainable

queen arrow
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what's 3dny

uncut grove
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the tv special

queen arrow
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3d2y?

uncut grove
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yeah not good with names

queen arrow
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i'm pretty sure that it's not canon

uncut grove
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probably isnt

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like the profile pic what page is it from

queen arrow
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just like Monsters is also not canon unless the flower capital was a old west town in the past which is unlikely

uncut grove
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ok

pastel sinew
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Man, that Reddit theory thread is busting my fucking Mata rn

thick sky
pastel sinew
thick sky
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Ah

copper frost
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Already posted and discussed above, you can check the chat swillo to see the discussion

pastel sinew
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I was just gonna say that I found this link yesterday in this server. I would love to see the discussion you guys had!

pastel sinew
copper frost
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Just scroll up