manga-theories

[kind gate]

you think any relevant commander died in that war?

[visual merlin]

also think about this, BB and Marco weren't even the only yonko candidates, so kata with the BMP would definitely be a yonko candidate if there's other random crews considering candidates

[gloomy canyon]

Only relevant WB commanders are Marco, Jozu, Vista, and Izo, and doubt any of them died (we already know 2 of them are alive)

[kind gate]

kk

[gloomy canyon]

Gonna have to see more from Shiryu, I think he'll end up stronger than someone like King

[manic relic]

I think Marco > Katakuri

[visual merlin]

could be, but I doubt it tbh, I think Marco's really good for holding people off like he's doing with King and queen but not quite winning a fight (not that he can't win a fight)

[kind gate]

lol fr tho marco's offensive game is so far shown to be lacking

like its not bad

[marsh cloud]

I think we gotta give marco credit, he’s fighting 2 headliners at once. I think Marco can beat them one on one

[visual merlin]

yea, even with his named attacks he's not doing much damage to King and queen

[marsh cloud]

Maybe we just see marco doing defensive stuff for now

[visual merlin]

Yea he could probably beat 1 of em on his own

[tawdry swallow]

lkk anyone?

[half bloom]

So i heard a theory that imu is the devil and devil fruits come from him or his clan. Thats why the gorosei worship him and thats how the WG gets good fruits to give to admirals.
What do you guys think?

[grizzled fog]

Sabo>Beckman>Marco>Katakuri>Shiryu>king imo

[half bloom]

Im personally not a huge fan of superpowers that are just given to you, instead of being earned.
This is why i believe haki is better than DFs bc it is power that come from you

[pure raven]

Reconcile conqueror's haki

[kind wadi]

Wait for kings hybrid form i still have hope for him

[dense wing]

I doubt that Beckman would defeat Marco simply due to experience, but who knows. Very hard to scale Shanks and his crew beyond saying they’re in Yonko/YC tier

[mild kite]

Beckman > Marco ez

Stop calling Beckman Yc1, hes above that

[sand sail]

Well he's a commander

So he literally can't be, to be fair

[mild kite]

Specifically, He's first mate

[soft dagger]

I was re reading the oden chapters and saw this. Could Black Maria have some sort of deal with Kaido like Oden did.

[polar bison]

she would’ve been 8

ish. idk if those proportions check out

[gilded wagon]

Holy shit if that’s her that’s an amazing catch

[nocturne mango]

Momonosuke was 8, +20 years into the future makes him the same age as Jack the Drought--28 years old.

[ripe solstice]

hi

[kind gate]

no

[ripe coral]

Theory: wano created the polygraphs. Posiden and pluton are already known but uranis is yet to be descovered. I suspect that a Rio polygraph is hidden in wano and tells us where and what the uranis ancient weapon is.

[fiery hatch]

half of that is confirmed

[dense wing]

Rio Poneglyph basically confirmed to be in Laughtale and Wano already confirmed to make glyphs yeah

[dire sphinx]

thats impossible, u need them to get to laughtale

[weak arrow]

There's 9 rio poneglyphs

presumably, not all of them are on laugh tale

Presumably, the one in Ohara was one of the 9

[amber oar]

Maria is 29 and that panel somewhere between 20 and 25 years ago

[soft dagger]

Ah. Then maybe a mother or older sister

[olive quail]

You're confusing Rio with Road poneglyphs. The Rio ponyglyphs describe pieces of the lost history. The Road poneglyphs give the coordinates used to pinpoint Laugh Tale's location.

I thought Big Mom's new homie would be called Thor or Raijin but I should've considered Hera since the female Prometheus was named Pandora, aka Prometheus' wife in Greek myth

[manic relic]

A lot is happening off screen so we judge that. But don't think that a yonko 1st commander has weak offensive

[manic relic]

I like the respect people are giving to Sabo

[olive quail]

Sabo crushed likely one of the physically stronger members of the Blackbeard Pirates, and seemingly evenly clashed with an admiral. Dude deserves that respect.

His bounty has always been weird to me considering he's the world's worst criminal's second in command

[grim oyster]

Theory: black beards yami yami no mi can suck up the "essence" of a devil fruit, how ever the user must be dead because the essence of the fruit is attached to the user, so when he tries to suck it up when the user is alive he cant because the essence is stuck inside of them, and when the user dies the essence is able to become sucked up which is what happened to whitebeard and the gura gura no mi

[sand sail]

You're probably right

[grim oyster]

oh yea also one more thing

[olive quail]

Could be why he wanted the Yami Yami no mi so badly. Personally I stick with BB having a fruit on him just because that was the clearest method of df transfer we've seen.

[grim oyster]

say if blackbeard met kaku and beat him down within an inch of his life he might be able to take the fruit without killing him since he litterally got the power like 15 minutes ago and tje fruit hasnt "settled in"

also he might be able to give other people devil fruits for this reason as he stores the fruits essence in the darkness and puts them inside their crew

[weary cliff]

It could be that they had a fruit for the gura gura to transfer to, and that the yami yami has some other significance. But it doesn't explain why BB seems to be able to use two fruits, or why he was so dead set on that logia. It's more likely the two fruit trick directly depends on having the yami yami no mi

[olive quail]

I mean Burgess seemed confident in his ability to take Luffy's gomu gomu no mi without BB present

back in dressrosa

[grim oyster]

why didnt he just power himself up with tons of devil fruits before fighting white beard then? he scarred shanks, he could easyly do it

[olive quail]

He could have still have a limit on df number

So he saved a slot for the gura gura no mi

[grim oyster]

we dont know that limit tho, he could have a cap of 100 or a cap of 2

even if we say we have a cap of 3 because of cerberus df then that leaves 2 slots open maybe 3 depending how you look at it if you see each head as a different df slot then why get yami yami no mi?

he could just eat the fruits

[hybrid jewel]

Dont they just eat/take a part of someone's dead body to steal their df power? Cause when Big Mom unconciously ate sister Carmel, she suddenly possessed her soul soul power.

[grim oyster]

carmel was still alive and she ate her whole, i assume you need to eat the whole person to get the devil fruit

[maiden terrace]

christ

[hybrid jewel]

But Blackbeard didnt eat WB whole body also WB just died when he stole it from him.

[maiden terrace]

yeah ^

[fringe tide]

So with it showing ulti witnessing paypay go down do you think she will have a rage moment and actually hurt bm before ultis taken down by bm?

[grim oyster]

she wont be able to do serious damage if she does

[nocturne mango]

Ok I didn't press send

[hybrid jewel]

He prolly ate just a part of him that was why they covered WB with a black cloth. Its gross but it could be how it was done.

[maiden terrace]

when did this eating theory come into place?

[nocturne mango]

BB presumably taught Burgess how to do the same thing

[fringe tide]

I still say df create a special organ in peoples body, the fact that bbs body is special means that he can take any donor without his body rejecting it and during the war bb simply took the organ from a 1hp wb and transferred it to his body with his yami yami fruit

[nocturne mango]

Because Burgess was going to steal the Mera, then Gomu

[grim oyster]

this text @maiden terrace

[maiden terrace]

oh okay cause i doubt that's the theory it's disturbing as fuck

kids watch one piece so

[slim dome]

Burgess was trying to kill to steal luffy and sabo’s devil fruit

[grim oyster]

oda did it before with bm and carmel, it can happen again

[hybrid jewel]

By consumption or transplant. Both possible

[maiden terrace]

transplant could work and make sense

[olive quail]

I meant that your argument wouldn't work because we don't even know if he's capable of just filling himself with df powers

[hybrid jewel]

In BigMom's case, she consumed sister Carmel. Gross I know

[olive quail]

this argument to be specific

[nocturne mango]

Sure was.

[real swan]

Seems highly unlikely, but what if Smoker was a D., or has some past or connection that draws him to those with the D. initial? He seems to show qualities of a D., with the ability to not only hunt down pirates but to deny the will of the World Government itself. Even Garp, who is a marine, also expresses distaste for certain things done by the World Government. I imagine if Smoker were to be face-to-face with a Celestial Dragon, he would be absolutely disgusted, but would still unwillingly follow orders since he still plans to make his way to the top of the WG.

Without any real evidence other than his personality, goals and definition of justice (justice for all rather than the WG's definition of it), I believe Smoker has the will of D., whether he knows the significance and hides the name until the time is right or is unaware of the full meaning of the name and needs a bit of a push.

[maiden terrace]

maybe he is a D

[gentle jewel]

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMeQw7dYc/

Thoughts on this theory?

[weak arrow]

it's incorrect

because he literally uses the powers in both hands

[wicked grove]

How would he make the rings or another arm eat the fruit? I know we’ve seen items consume df’s but where does the other arm come from

[weak arrow]

gura on the right hand

gura on the left hand

[cobalt juniper]

Is there a reason why the marines ban people discovering the void history?

[weak arrow]

Well, yes, otherwise they wouldnt do it

[dusky acorn]

has some past or connection that draws him to those with the D. initial
Well, we already know about Smoker's past history with a D. member. He saw, or at least heard of Roger's execution in which he smiled, then saw that take place in real time with Luffy, another D member.
Aside from all this, Smoker doesn't seem like the kind of character who would have a heritage just because of his lack of surname, and thug way of life sorta telling us he wasn't raised the conventional way you'd expect. Thus, his ability to reveal some kind of D. heritage is slim. Or, if it's hidden I'm not even sure why he'd be hiding it when other marines like Saul and Garp didn't feel the need to.

[weak arrow]

Most likely reasons are

The truth of the void century would send the world into chaos
Shows the World government/Navy is more corrupt than people once thought
Both of the above

[cobalt juniper]

ohh alr

[acoustic helm]

What if , vegapunk lied to WG about SSG success, dumping the warload and going head-on with yonko later would be doom for WG

[tidal musk]

it would be nice if we actually got to see vegapunk outside of flashbacks

[acoustic helm]

Yes

[formal quest]

Anyone think Vegapunk can be the final villain???

[tidal musk]

i dont think he's been built up enough to be one

we barely know anything about him

[formal quest]

Same with Imu-sama

[weak arrow]

Vegapunk definitely no

Imu sama probably yes

[tidal musk]

yeah but at least that dude was kinda foreshadowed to be a big bad.

[slate zodiac]

I mean Akainu doesn’t like celestial dragons

[dull pumice]

No I don't think he'll be a villain at all

[fiery hatch]

the plausible one piece main villain checklist:
shanks
marshall d teach
sakazuki
imu
rocks
vegapunk (new)

[keen portal]

Shanks is plausible?

[fiery hatch]

i dont think so but the community says it does i guess

[pure raven]

ppl really desperately want Luffy to literally fight all the yonko

[grizzled fog]

Rocks isn’t really plausible either

[limpid bronze]

Teach and Sakazuki are the only fights left

It’s doubtful Imu is actually a combatant

Doesn’t give off the vibe of a fighter

If that makes any sense

[solid stone]

what do you think imu's purpose in the story is

[maiden terrace]

related to whatever the one piece reveals

imu could be the last of some race, imu could be a D

[mossy dock]

Really, the way i see it imu can be anything but the D, if imu happens to be a villain, related to the world government

[sullen cipher]

Yeah emu d teach

[maiden terrace]

Yeah Imu can be literally anything

[dire sphinx]

oh

[languid rune]

I wouldn’t say aokiji for the marines lmao

I’d prolly say akainu

[fathom matrix]

For all we know, Emu is a troll

And you can take that in any way you want

[maiden terrace]

in the sub they call it the real poneyglyphs for some odd reason

[dull pumice]

Shanks? Satire?

[pure raven]

They contain the real history of the world

[tropic cape]

there are still other real poneglyphs though lol. calling some of them real poneglyphs implies that there are fake poneglyphs we must watch out for which there aren’t as far as we know.

[zinc iris]

The Rio Poneglyph (真の歴史の本文 Rio Pōnegurifu?, literally meaning "True Text of History")

yes rio is ment to be "true"

Road Poneglyphs (ロード歴史の本文 Rōdo Pōnegurifu?, literally meaning "Road Text of History")

[tropic cape]

you still wouldn’t call them the true poneglyphs

because there aren’t false poneglyphs. just poneglyphs that give information that they were intended to give.

[zinc iris]

truer poneglyphs

[amber oar]

truestest poneglyphs

[languid rune]

Nah a lot of ppl think shanks is a villain bc of his interact with the gorosei. Some think he’s a d or a celestial dragon

[keen portal]

Twitter verified poneglyphs?

[zinc iris]

sources sanctioned by the WG should not be trusted

[keen portal]

[dull pumice]

Yikes sounds like a joke but many people have ridiculous stands on many things in one piece so I shouldn't be surprised

[zinc iris]

to this day I still have to put up with "Imu is Rocks"

[steel breach]

I think it’s pretty obvious that shanks is just a “I wanna grill” type pirate and ain’t planning on conquering shit like the other Yonko thus the Gorosei give him a level of respect to hear him out

[keen portal]

This isn't even the first time shanks has done this.

He visited WB's own ship, an enemy ship in order to hold talks.

People who believe shanks is a villain act like a sensible pirate like shanks can't go on a self-appointed diplomatic mission to an enemy lair.

[dull pumice]

Yes he's mysterious to a degree but being main antagonist... Lmao

[steel breach]

Dude just wants the least violent outcome for all

[pure raven]

How do you know there aren't?

A government so hell bent on hiding the true history could make false poneglyphs

[zinc iris]

gorosei are willing to hear out shanks because while not holding legal power he still de facto is a world leader so they can't just ignore him on principle

and attacking him there would be rocking the boat too much

[steel breach]

Does anyone know if Kid and Killer are using Arm Haki?

[zinc iris]

assume any dedicated fighter can at least accompish such

[fluid lava]

Are the straw hats and revolutionary army like unofficial allies

I’m wondering if we’ll ever see an actual team up between them where luffy might actually meet his dad since he’s already worked with ivan and sabo already

It’ll probably happen in the final war if it does

[zinc iris]

they have not conflicting goals and a common enemy in the WG

but the "not conflicting goals" only applies to what we know at the moment

[fluid lava]

Well luffy’s brother and father are also number 1 and 2 of the organization

[zinc iris]

well luffy and ace were supposed to eventually become enemies when luffy reached enough heights to threaten whitebeard

they still all belong to different organizations that matter more to them than other ties

[fluid lava]

Well I guess but that would be more in the sense of how luffy is going to be with shanks when they reunite they’ll have a light hearted fight but they’ll still be friends by the end

[zinc iris]

if to accomplish their goal dragon and sabo would have to fight luffy they would still do so

[rough warren]

Page Gone

[fluid lava]

I don’t think oda would take it in that direction so far he’s portrayed dragon as a somewhat loving father to luffy who probably if not for his responsibilities and danger of his position would probably have raised him instead of handing him off to garp

[zinc iris]

like I can give you an important question and reasoning on the answer will tell you a lot
did Robin teach the Revos how to read Poneglyphs in the 2 year timeskip?

[fluid lava]

That’s very possible honestly she might not even have needed to it’s also entirely possible dragon already knows how to read them and that’s part of why he’s so dangerous

Dragon could know more about the history of the world than robin

[sullen cipher]

We know his df

Like thunder thunder no mi

[fluid lava]

Well we don’t know for sure but it probably has something to do with the weather that follows him around usually a strong wind

He could have like a weather weather fruit

[sullen cipher]

No actually in loungetown the thunder strike buggy was his doing

[fluid lava]

We don’t know that for sure and if it is than it’s probably not just control over thunder he also seems to control the wind which leads me to think it’s just general weather control

If it was just a straight up lighting fruit I think it would be too similar to enel’s

[sullen cipher]

Controlling and being that is diff

[fluid lava]

It would just be a paramecia version of enel’s fruit which is dumb I think a weather weather fruit would be more interesting

[zinc iris]

Dragon certainly knows a lot from independent sources but Robin was explicitly sought after because of her knowledge

[fluid lava]

She probably told them a lot then

[zinc iris]

the reason he's regarded as the most dangeous is because his explicit goal is to topple the WG and is actually succeeding at damaging their standing and turning the people aginst them

pirates are enemies of the wg because they are criminals but most just steer clear of the wg and don't actively go after it

rocks is supremely infamous for the reason that he actually went after the wg to unseat them and take over the world

[fluid lava]

Well either way I’m sure robin had no problem with telling dragon the secrets she knew not like she’s pro world government and she knew he was luffy’s dad so she probably respected him in that sense

[zinc iris]

in fact was regarded as a terrorist like the revolutionaries instead of the more general criminal status of other pirates

and well in the real world too a state regards terrorists as a bigger threat than general criminals even if the latter can have more actual power because of the explicit goals

[fluid lava]

But yeah to answer your question I’m sure if they asked she told them what she knows

[zinc iris]

like organized mafia is more powerful than a ragtag bunch of anarchists but police cracks down harder on the latter

[zinc iris]

are you really sure robin would trust them that much to give them such dangerous knowledge?

knowing the poneglyphs also means potential access to the ancient weapons

[fluid lava]

Yes she hates the WG and he’s the father of the man she respects as her captain

[zinc iris]

hating the wg doesn't mean there aren't other factions that are not to be trusted

[fluid lava]

I don’t see a single reason she wouldn’t trust the revolutionaries they don’t have single goal or method she disagrees with

[zinc iris]

also dragon is the father luffy never met so it's not like you can be sure they are on the same side

[fluid lava]

Well as the readers we know he definitely is

It’s arguable whether robin figured that but we know for a fact he’s on luffy’s side and supports his son

[zinc iris]

we know that he cares about his son, but could still be a villain in his own right that just secretely aims to take over the world

it's not like villains cannot love people close to them

[fluid lava]

That sounds extremely far fetched I don’t see oda painting the revolutionaries as anything but allies to the straw hats

[zinc iris]

out of story that's the case, but in-universe you cannot tell

[fluid lava]

Luffy is too friendly with their higher ups and will mostly likely get along well with his father when they meet but as of now harbors no bad feelings towards him

[zinc iris]

luffy is friendly even with murderers if they're opersonally nice to him

[fluid lava]

Well even if robin didn’t teach them to read the poneglyh’s she probably gave them a ton of information about what the one’s she found so far had said

[fluid lava]

Zoro is a murderer but he isn’t a villain

[polar bison]

idt zoro’s ever murdered anyone

[fluid lava]

He kills people all the time he’s killed dozens of people in wano

[polar bison]

by the standard definition of the term

[zinc iris]

zoro happened to kill some people in self defense

[fluid lava]

Well luffy isn’t really friends with anyone who kills just for the fun of it

[zinc iris]

Like Bartolomeo?

[fluid lava]

Did bartolomeo murder people for no reason?

I might have skimmed his arc a bit I don’t really like his character

[zinc iris]

and even during the arc he murdered/tortured/mutilated people for petty reasons

bartolomeo is a borderline psychopath that happens to be a fan of luffy so luffy is friendly with him

[polar bison]

tbf I don’t remember barto doing anything during dressrosa that wasn’t some sort of self defense

[fluid lava]

Jesus I still don’t think dragon will be like that at all

[polar bison]

like the marine VA fucked up his man before getting fucked up in turn

[zinc iris]

this was just for overhearing the guy saying luffy isn't that great

[polar bison]

ah yeah that’s pretty fucked up

[zinc iris]

of course he's more dignified, but he might turn out to be stalin instead of lenin

[fluid lava]

I highly doubt it

[zinc iris]

I just say in the context of what the character in the story actually know

that he's blood related to luffy means little, he still has his agenda that people can'ìt know for sure if it's truthful

[fluid lava]

Yeah but I’m sure robin grew to trust him somewhat based on how he was kind to her and again he is luffy’s dad which does count for something

[zinc iris]

we actually don't have much on how dragon and robin interacted

so far we only have she became friends with koala and to a degree with sabo

[fluid lava]

Well they were on good enough terms for him to ask how robin was doing later

[pure raven]

and then promptly never mentioned him to Luffy

[zinc iris]

another reason to say that sabo required a lot of forced writing to have him fit in the story

there is the plausible theory sabo asked her not to tell because he wanted to do it himself, but such thing was never confirmed in the manga

[tropic cape]

we were pretty much told in WCI that there are a definitive 30 poneglyphs in the world including the road poneglyphs. although the govt making false poneglyphs could be a cool storyline the only people who’ve seen the rio poneglyphs iirc are the roger pirates and maybe joyboy or something

[fluid lava]

The rio poneglyh is probably the one on laugh tale that tells joyboy’s story in the void century

[zinc iris]

there are like 9 rios

[tired osprey]

yeah , 9

[flat gale]

I have no evidence of this theory, but what if Vivi’s mother WAS A D

[high cloak]

i think the one piece does not exist

i think one piece isnt about finding the one piece anymore and its just adventures that luffy and his crew has

[keen portal]

Theory on Hera and Zeus

With the addition of a new female homie, it makes things interesting, but not in a cliche "Zeus falls in love with Hera" sort of way. I believe this is setup for something that has been long coming and what people wanted.

The Greek god Zeus' tales of infidelity and being unfaithful to his wife Hera are widely known, as well as Hera's tales of anger and resentment over Zeus' said actions.

What I then see is this as being one more piece of setup that, at a critical moment, Zeus the homie will also choose to be "unfaithful" and will go off with an "unknown woman" (namely Nami), upsetting and angering both Big Mom and Hera.

[sturdy hawk]

Damn, good call

[tribal roost]

[tribal roost]

^^^****great theory

[steel breach]

Yeah that ones pretty obvious Nami needs some sorta power up

Would be pretty cool if she got Hera too but she’d be a little too powerful

[pure raven]

This is my ending I would want, Luffy walking up to his execution, but the stairs are however many straw hats will be, and each step luffy takes shows luffy asking them to be in his crew and there best moments

[keen portal]

The obvious part is not Nami getting one of them. The theory is nami specifically getting Zeus, and not Hera.

[pure raven]

And also memories plays over all of this In the anime

[steel breach]

Yeah and it’s kinda obvious she’d get him back, Zeus is her only way at getting powerful besides Haki but I doubt she’ll learn any form of it

I don’t see Luffy being executed at the end like Roger especially if the WG is replaced since Luffy will almost certainly be a reason for its collapse

[polar bison]

idk why nami would get anyone but zeus

he’s the one who’s already half her slave and has been for the past 150 chapters, seems like a matter of time to me

[keen portal]

Yeah, it is. What's interesting is Oda naming the new homie Hera, meaning to setup and highlight Zeus' infidel nature more.

One more nail in the coffin

[dire veldt]

I know it's pretty discussed in twitter for a long time about the official translation but did anyone here have watched new vid of Artur. Like I never knew how significant Luffy's smile in that chapter

[languid rune]

Wait I’m confused are the revolutionary army currently attacking Mariejos as the wano war is going on

[pure raven]

They're presumably doing an operation at the same time as the wano war yes. If it's an attack/all out war is unknown but I don't think it is but I'm not 100% about that

[vestal rampart]

i agree

[pure raven]

Poorest music choice on Earth for such a scene

You should have a triumphant OST for a man walking the steps to his death or parallel the original Roger execution with ominous silence and the occasional chiming of bells

(Memories was also a poor choice for 'He Laughed' but that's a discussion for another time)

[slow walrus]

I think Killer's probably gonna die in Wano

Someone has to do die here, and Killer is probably the best bet

[grizzled fog]

Why killer?

[slow walrus]

half because of Kidd

Kidd and Killer haven't been developed nearly as much as Law or anyone else on the side of the rebellion

[grizzled fog]

They haven’t had anywhere close to as much screen time as law

Can you explain why killer dying would be good development for kid?

[steel breach]

Only thing I can think of would be a catalyst for kid to grow stronger or maybe obtain awakening

I’d be fine with it storywise but it’s not a definite thing

Kid and his crew are often shown as the inverse of the straw hats in terms of personality and luck so I wouldn’t be surprised if his first mate ended up dying

Could be by BM which could give Kid motivation to defeat her instead of just “I have to”

[exotic echo]

+1

[grizzled fog]

That’s a great theory

[amber oar]

Triggering a power boost from grief looks so other-series. That's not how Oda handles tragedy. This is not fucking dbz

Luffy didn't even get stronger upon Ace's death. He mentally collapsed. His will vanished. Actually he became weaker than ever. He recovered because there was someone around to lift his spirit, and became stronger because of his determination to stop and train.

[steel breach]

Lol just giving out possibilities, we know Conquerors comes out like that and we have no idea really how Awakening works besides “mastering it”

[vestal bone]

I think awakening might be just fighting to the death so much like how haki blooms in fights

[steel breach]

And seeing how limited Kid is in terms of Power An Awakening( probably Electromagnetism) would be a huge boost

[vestal bone]

Doffy got pushed to his absolute limit and might have died from g4 so his fruit awakened to keep him alive

[steel breach]

Ayup that’s true

[vestal bone]

Kong gun almost ko'd him didnt it

[tidal musk]

nami has to get zeus back or at least some kind of powerup. it would be a serious downgrade for her if she went back to her power level pre WCI

it feels weird that you have luffy competing with the emperors and half his crew arent even on the same level as the crews of the other emperors

[steel breach]

I think Doflamingo already had his DF awakened before his fight with Luffy

[vestal bone]

No it was mid fight

[grizzled fog]

He didn’t awaken it mid fight

He just started using it then

[vestal bone]

O

[vestal rampart]

[shell basin]

It just feels a little too chosen oney to me- I think Luffy having an innate upperhand in strength just doesn't jive with the rest of the story.

[steel breach]

Lol

[sturdy hawk]

Way to not spoil series

[exotic echo]

Yo, fellas

don't discuss details of other series in here

[dire veldt]

Dang I was reading just fine

[steel breach]

Lmao

[fringe tide]

If nami gets zeus back i hope its a weakend zeus otherwise she would have bms lightning powers making her easily one of the strongest if she can find a hiding space and feed him clouds

[sand sail]

@steel breach So fats just mentioned it, but no other series here, and this channel is not for memes

Feel free to talk about your opinion of the series/character in #other-series if you'd like though

[steel breach]

That wasn’t a meme it’s facts

[kind gate]

[sand sail]

The bottom line is it's just not for this channel

[steel breach]

Lol aight

[fringe tide]

Yeah this is a place for serious theories like if bb ate wb under the blanket to get gura gura

Also whats the possibility of someone having so much haki they can manifest it like lets say into a staff/possibly a limb

[steel breach]

There wasn’t a noticeable scar or anything but it’s possible

I like the idea that if you bring a fruit with you near a DF users death it spawns in that fruit you have

Can’t remember but isn’t that what Jesus Burgess tried doing

[sand sail]

Probably slim at this point honestly, haki doesn't seem to be something that can be molded into a shape in that way

[golden sinew]

oh boy shanks' invis arm im lowkey hype!

[loud ibex]

Break : ((((

[lilac mirage]

I was just thinking that what if Big mom doesn't fight luffy, and they both go to elbaf together luffy has 3 giants in his grand fleet, hajrudin and his friends, so what if luffy makes the giants current big mom's friends? Ik it's stupid and doesn't make sense but just what if?

What do you think about this, will it happen or should I just go in a corner crying for the next hour?

[pure raven]

He has 5 giants

[pure raven]

I know you said its stupid, so I am not going to question it, but if that did happened, than Luffy could

1.Try to redeem Big Mom's name in Elbaf.

2. Luffy would be seen as a big threat in Elbaf for having big mom on his side.

3. He would totally be a yonko at that point.

[sand sail]

I actually read this one already, but I'm on board with it too. I thought that would be where Oda would be taking it

Especially with Zeus already being "unfaithful", even before helping Nami in general

[keen portal]

Ye, before this chapter I didn't think about zeus this way, expecting "Jupiter". But Hera made me think about it

[sand sail]

I like that she's also taking from other cultures too, I wish Indra ended up being the official translation of her Tenjin

[limpid bronze]

Ok, so despite being able to summarize each straw hat’s fighting style in a few words or less, each one has dozens of different moves, variations, upgrades, forms, or tactics.
Sanji isn’t just “kick kick”, because of the way he can move around a battlefield - and also the fact he can light himself on fire, which is incredibly interesting on its own.
Zoro’s swordsmanship being 3 swords, with flying air attacks and tornadoes and such all work to make it super unique and exciting to watch.
Luffy has a devil fruit that lets him stretch and create moves like no other character in shonen.
This is just the big three - each of the other straw hats have fighting styles wholly unique to this series. It’s stuff that no other character has.

Then you have Yamato. We’ve already seen a dozen or so ancient zoans, and if she has one, hers won’t be especially compelling, since it’s essentially just “be hybrid cause it’s better”. Not a bad thing on its own - but it’s already outclassed in terms of “being interesting” since we have a fellow Straw Hat with 7-8 versatile zoan forms, which is much more interesting to watch be utilized in a fight. And on top of that, Yamato has showcased nothing that could be potentially exciting. She has a club. Unless she performs some element-controlling or something with that club, her fighting style is inevitably going to be lackluster compared to any other Straw Hat.

Now, overall, why does this matter at all. Yamato is incredibly popular and everyone is hoping she’ll join. She has the energy and demeanor of one of the crew, and has shown her interest in joining.
The problem is that straw hats are going to get individual fights. It’s gonna happen, and it’s gonna happen for all of them. If she’s gonna stick around, she’s gotta be interesting, fighting wise, to have truly compelling fights that aren’t immediately outclassed (again, in terms of excitement) by a crewmate. @gloomy canyon you said to @ you

Element-controlling is only a single example, there’s tons of ways oda could potentially give her additional fighting techniques - the Six Powers, for another example

[visual merlin]

Why do you assume simply based on her having an ancient zoan she couldn't have different moves, variations, forms, tactics, etc? Sure it's not as easy to imagine as if it were a mythical, but the same way someone without a fruit can have all these moves or variations or whatever, Yamato with her ancient zoan could too

[limpid bronze]

We haven’t seen any evidence she does. Until she starts showcasing varied and unique techniques, I’m gonna be doubtful she’s joining the crew

But, I’m obviously not gonna say it’s wholly impossible and be a dick about it

We haven’t seen her truly go all out - just a small skirmish with Ulti

[visual merlin]

We've already seen a ranged attack from her, I don't know why you'd be so doubtful to the point of saying this

[limpid bronze]

Hold on, I actually don’t remember this

When did she do that? Oh my god slow mode is unbearable here

[limpid bronze]

OOOOH

Now that’s fucking evidence

I did not remember that. Why hasn’t anyone ever brought this up when I make this argument

Which I’ve done quite a few times

[sand sail]

Because everyone assumed you knew when you make such a sweeping argument...

[visual merlin]

probably that ^

[limpid bronze]

😞
Didn’t have to be so mean

I genuinely think a lot of people have probably forgotten that scene considering how much action has occurred since then

I know I sure as hell did

And yes, I’m making this argument defensively, fuck you

[visual merlin]

in any case, I don't think there's enough to doubt her having a cool fighting style to that extent

[tired osprey]

copy pasted from kaido

[visual merlin]

Most actual characters' fighting styles aren't literally just "swing sword" or "punch hard", they have their own moves, forms, etc

[limpid bronze]

I mean with the fact she shot a light arrow with her club, I can believe that

[visual merlin]

And having a fruit of any kind already gives her more potential to have a cool fighting style if anything

[limpid bronze]

Tbf tho, jack’s fighting style is literally just “hit”

[pure raven]

That's one of the only notable things Yamato has done. Nobody forgot

[boreal rock]

Jack’s fighting style is literally “get hit”

[limpid bronze]

Queen’s fighting style is literally just “be a detriment”

[visual merlin]

We don't really know his very well either, but even he's got his mammoth form and presumably a hybrid form up his sleeve

[sand sail]

You should chill on that. But, Queen and Jack actually have varied fighting styles too

[visual merlin]

Im sure he's got some named moves too

[limpid bronze]

Ehhh, I don’t see Jack having a very interesting fighting style

[visual merlin]

doesn't have to be very interesting

[limpid bronze]

To be fair, he doesn’t really need one

But Yamato - if she joins, does need one

Which, if she’s fucking shooting lighting arrows, she probably has

[visual merlin]

"different moves, variations, upgrades, forms, or tactics" Im sure he's got different moves, he's got different forms as we know, and there's surely upgrades he could get

[limpid bronze]

Congrats, you’ve convinced me, I cede

But I stand by my point that just having a Zoan fruit doesnt make your fighting style interesting

It did when they were first introduced, and it does when we get especially unique variants

But just a regular 3 form, no additional feature zoan fruit? This late in the series? Not that cool on its own

[tired osprey]

we have a zoan already, dont need another. 🥱 so i agree with you

[limpid bronze]

Yea, you get my point

[visual merlin]

we already have 3 paramecias, don't need another

[limpid bronze]

I see Yamato probably had a unique fighting style, with some lightning bullshit, so it’s a good chance she can join

Since we already had Brook, a swordsman, join the crew when Zoro was there

It’s easily possibly to have a second zoan user

[pure raven]

No they're just pushing Tama 4 Nakama

[tired osprey]

brook is a fencer, with musical effects, quite different already.
nami covers lightning fine.

[limpid bronze]

Yea but a combination of the two?

That’s got some potential

[visual merlin]

Oli didn't respond to my hint at Tama not joining smh my head

[limpid bronze]

Well obviously tama’s gonna join, does that even need to be said

[tired osprey]

youre just playing devils advocate, you know paramecias are different in all but the name

[visual merlin]

it should not be said as it won't happen

[tired osprey]

thank you vycar

[visual merlin]

chopper is different than most zoans

[tired osprey]

wow i found my new favourite member

[tired osprey]

yes, in that he got like 7 different forms can become small or big, he covers everything that can be expected from a zoan!

[limpid bronze]

Mythical zoans are barely even zoans with how unique they are, hence why I make my initial argument on the basis that she needs a mythical

Which, since she summoned fucking lightning it’s probably likely

There’s not a lot of ways to get lightning without a df, and I doubt she doesn’t have a zoan

[tired osprey]

you think that is lightning? ive always seen it more as a shockwave

[visual merlin]

Don't think it's lightning either, just some sort of thing like rankyaku or flying slashes

[limpid bronze]

I mean

There is a krackling effect, and that universally almost always means electricity of some kind

[visual merlin]

what kracklong effect

[limpid bronze]

Did I misread the page???

[sand sail]

It's just armament, not lightning

[limpid bronze]

Oh it’s a zap

Armament doesn’t zap

[weak arrow]

Ulti has the same zap sound effect b4 she headbutts Luffy

[limpid bronze]

Fuck, scratch that, guess it does

Man, I keep being wrong lmao

Is it an air thrust? Or is she batting a rock upwards?

[kind gate]

of CoC?

If it's CoC you're referring to then no Adam it's not the same

[limpid bronze]

If someone just pinged me, I can’t see it - my phone makes replies invisible because it’s broken

STOP PINGING THAT PERSON YOU USELESS DEVICE

God I hate this fucking phone

[fiery hatch]

whos charlotte d ed

[limpid bronze]

I was trying to put “ed” after the “at” symbol

[fiery hatch]

what

oh i get it

[limpid bronze]

Like this

[fiery hatch]

just say pinged instead of @-ed

[limpid bronze]

God this phone is on its last legs, I’m getting it replaced this week hopefully

[fiery hatch]

why

[limpid bronze]

Everything about it is broken

[fiery hatch]

yea ur right

u need to replace it

lets talk about manga theories
l
v

[limpid bronze]

Hope yamato is more interesting than just batting rocks upward

Cause if that wasn’t a lightning or air effect, my original point stands again

[weak arrow]

I’m talking how before Yamato 1shots the number and before ulti head butts Luffy, they both have a zap effect. I’m not really arguing anything right now, just giving information

[kind gate]

oh oh my bad

[limpid bronze]

Lmao

But anyways

Yamato better pull something cool

[tired osprey]

we're talking about her having CoC in also manga

[limpid bronze]

Oh god

[nova spindle]

when was the last time we actually saw luffy happy while fighting

[fiery hatch]

since kuro

[nova spindle]

Exactly, there's always been something at stake, which makes this time the first time luffy is enjoying the fight, probably because this directly leads to one piece

this fight is special

[keen portal]

Theory on Yamato as a potential SH candidate

To preface this, this is not going to be a comprehensive theory about Yamato joining, rather ONE very single point about something there could be a setup for her to potentially join as a strawhat. I'm not going to take into account other aspects or points that would make a strawhat candidate, as it doesn't pertain to the singular point I'm making. (So I'm not going to argue for or against other points like fleshed out character or backstory, role in the crew, needing a dream etc)

The point being Luffy either metaphorically or literally (or both in some cases) breaks the shackles off of his crew members.

• Zoro: literally, when he frees him from the post he's tied to.

-Nami: metaphorically, when he frees her and her village from Arlong's debt, and destroys the room that she drew maps in till she bled from her hands.

-Usopp: metaphorically, at first when he frees his island and Kaya from Kuro's plan and indirectly frees Usopp from not leaving the island. Later, a more momentous part where in water 7 and enies lobby, Usopp's insecurities about his part in the crew come out forefront and culminates into a battle with Luffy, after which (and also Sanji's talk) Usopp grows to realise his weaknesses are nothing to be insecure about and that he has his own place in the crew, freeing him from his shackles of inferiority.

-Sanji: metaphorically, from being tied to Baratie and leaving it. Later on, a more important point when he breaks into a Yonko territory to free Sanji from the shackles of his biological family and a forced marriage.

-Chopper: metaphorically, when he makes chopper trust in him, freeing him from his great mistrust of other humans, and makes chopper believe Luffy doesn't care about the monster chopper thinks himself to be. Later culminating in FMI where chopper gets past these shackles of a monster, is able to control Monster Point and declares he has no problem being a monster if it helps Luffy.

.

-Robin: metaphorically and literally, from the shackles of the world government.

-Franky: metaphorically, from his misplaced guilt about Tom's death and being tied down to Water 7.

-Brook: literally, from not being able to leave Thriller Bark and meet up with Laboon again, and I guess metaphorically too, from a mundane 50 year existence where nothing happened to brook.

-Jinbe: literally, at first in Impel down. And metaphorically later in FMi where he is able to gain Jinbe's trust so he move past his old shackles of human hatred and mistrust (during Fisher Tiger days) and consider joining a human pirate crew. To the point where Jinbe was able to break a big fishman island taboo of donating blood to a human. Culminating in leaving his old fishman crew and joining at the end of FMI.

Which bring us to dear ol Yamato.

Luffy has already broken literal shackles off her hands that tied her down to Onigashima. And if it permits, later on we could potentially get a story point where Luffy is instrumental in Yamato shedding of the chains of Oden as well, and journeying out to sea as her own person. Not the child of Kaido, not Kozuki Oden, but as a Strawhat Yamato herself.

Counter points: I guess there are several other key characters that Luffy has helped break the shackles off of during their arcs, namely Coby, Vivi (honorary SH?), Rebecca, Shirahoshi etc. And so not every character that Luffy 'frees' during an arc must join as a strawhat.

[nova spindle]

i can 100% guarantee yamato joins

[keen portal]

@sand sail @gloomy canyon this is what I have for now, I could have maybe fleshed out some more points, but Robin is already evident so I didn't want to go long into hers and the like

[gloomy canyon]

Nice, lemme read

Yeah, all very valid. Luffy’s thing is freedom and his actions free others. It just makes sense for Yamato as well

[zinc iris]

maybe yamato finally gets a personality

[nova spindle]

No way in hell does she not

Oden -> Roger
Oden2.0 -> Luffy

Nothing left for her to do since oden's heir is back etc

[novel zephyr]

Dont you have a theory you were gonna post evan

[fiery hatch]

momo

[gloomy canyon]

Everything points to Yamato being a SH when it comes to the narrative. It’s literally just whether or not Oda chooses to make her one or not. There’s really not a piece of evidence you can say that detracts from Yamato being a SH

[nova spindle]

Momo is to be shogun in wano.?

[gloomy canyon]

Yeah I’m still working on it tho, been super lazy

[novel zephyr]

whats it about

[zinc iris]

luffy not being thrilled to be treated as ace 2
parallels being forced in a "oden did this so I must too" which is uncharacteristic

[gloomy canyon]

That’s just not a point at all

[gloomy canyon]

A little bit of reverie speculation, but mainly Sabo and Doffy’s place in the story and how it pertains to the revos

[zinc iris]

the 11th sh is Carrot anyway

[keen portal]

B-b-but muh shackles

[zinc iris]

muh adventure and muh pedro

[keen portal]

[wicked grove]

I think we’ll get 3 more members

[zinc iris]

I have compiled several reasons and actual quotes the total is going to be 11 (luffy + 10 companions)

[wicked grove]

It said “at least 10”

[zinc iris]

now I'm going to dig my old posts

[zinc iris]

that's not the only thing

[wicked grove]

4 in the East Blue

4 on the Grand Line and it would make sense we get 4 in the new world bc Oda likes his symmetry

[vestal bone]

Ya

[zinc iris]

so I'm looking for the link again, but the gist is

1. in an interview published after jinbe joining in WCI, oda states he planned to have 10 nakamas join luffy but only managed to put 9 so far
2. in the Romance Dawn oneshot's afterword in the Wanted reprint he stated the idea of having a protagonist ensemble came from playing soccer when he was young and a soccer team fields 11 players
3. BB is luffy's opposite and has 10 titanic captains under him (tenth one still unrevealed) totaling his core crew at 11

[sonic plaza]

also, out of every potential member, she is the only one that has a job/occupation that the crew doesnt have yet (that being Log Keeper)

[zinc iris]

what even is that

it's not like she was writing the log, she was just repeatedly reading it to pretend to be oden

[errant oxide]

That’s not a job lol

[sonic plaza]

yeah

[zinc iris]

you know what, the log might even be a problem, because Yamato might already know about laugh tale and what's in it

and that would be a spoiler tagging along

[tired osprey]

there's plenty tbh, they could all hypothetically get fixed, but imo she would have them if she was supposed to join in the first place.

[sand sail]

@keen portal Yeah you're absolutely right, it's also worth noting Momonosuke in there too

Since what Luffy did for Momo is what he'll have to do for Yamato, but in a more direct sense

[keen portal]

You're right but what Momo's plot looks like to me is Luffy helping him to grow as a person and a leader, not necessarily free from any shackles he had. I guess being a kid and being generally afraid?

[zinc iris]

he is shackled to Oden's heritage

[keen portal]

Yes but Momo will instead shoulder it as his own person. He won't get rid of it

[zinc iris]

but he should be able to get rid of it if he wanted to

instead so much is put on him entirely on the grounds he is oden's son/heir

[keen portal]

He should but he doesn't look like he necessarily wants to. He's declared he's going to be shogun.

Even on pain of death, Momo doesn't let go of his Kozuki name.

[zinc iris]

which definitely is a trouble even after accepting he doesn't have to be a badass like him

while it's a neat declaration as an act of defiance to kaido, does he really want to become shogun of wano when all is solved or is it just because it's expected of him as the next in line?

[keen portal]

I think he genuinely wants to do it now, as opposed to Momo on Zou where back then he was definitely doing it more because it was expected of him

But through his experiences in Udon, Kanjuro kidnapping and Yamato, I think Momo now genuinely wants carry on as a Kozuki and a shogun

[zinc iris]

and there are obvious issues

regardless of his worth, he's fucking 8 years old

[keen portal]

Point taken about his age currently. But that still doesn't necessarily tie him down as Oden's son anymore, to my original point.

[zinc iris]

well the only reason he is the one rallying the samurai and has a right to the throne is because he is oden's son

but I'd almost rather let Hiyori take over instead

[vestal bone]

Luffy for shogun

[zinc iris]

ironically for all the scrambling to be oden from several characters, luffy is the one with the biggest oden energy

and he finds "being oden" stupid because oden was oden and that's it

[pure raven]

Aight crazy theory: if gear 5 happens it could involve luffy being struck by lightning or charged up by nami and harnessing that to launch an attack called gum gum railgun

[kind gate]

Luffy is rubber; an insulator

[pure raven]

Right, but he has a gear 3 technique that uses electricity, Thor or something

Tbh I just think the attack name is cool, idk how to justify it lol

[cedar sinew]

Pretty sure Thor is static electricity @pure raven

Similar to red hawk in the sense that it utilizes friction

So it’d be different than someone directly applying electricity on rubber

[kind gate]

Mai spoke so it’s facts

[pure raven]

Welp guess it’s a pipe dream then. I still love the idea of a massive lightning charged punch, and the attack name fits luffys general convention XD

[cedar sinew]

Personally I’d find an electricity version of red hawk cool

It’d be fitting of the name rail gun

[pure raven]

True, that is a good idea. I don’t think a g5 is gonna happen anyways tbh

[amber oar]

talking about lightning, the scene at Loguetown was the first instance of Luffy's immunity to electricity right? It wasn't acknowledged back then but it had to be that right?

[pure raven]

I think we’re probably gonna get another g4 form and possibly an awakening

[pure raven]

Now that you mention it, that does make sense

[cedar sinew]

Yeah it was

[pure raven]

Static electricity can be externally charged right? I think a souped up Thor style punch is possible, that would fit the bill too

[cedar sinew]

Static is mostly external

Like rubbing a balloon or smth

[fallow tree]

Hmm

[cedar sinew]

In comparison to current electricity which is internal hence why it doesn’t work on Luffy

[fallow tree]

But can you charge a insulator? Even externally

[cedar sinew]

Yes

[pure raven]

Gomu gomu no railgun goda pls

I’m sorry I’m so fixated on this idea lol

[cedar sinew]

Here’s a quora explanation if you want to look into it more https://www.quora.com/Which-is-the-only-way-in-which-an-insulator-can-be-charged

[cobalt juniper]

can someone eat the Gura Gura no Mi fruit while Blackbeard has the powers?

[fallow tree]

He consumed it

[fading portal]

[cobalt juniper]

oh

[polar bison]

assumedly there is no gura gura no mi fruit atm because the power resides with teach

the exact mechanics r still unclear bc what teach did was unclear

and we did see smiley’s fruit respawn as soon as it died

but it’s definitely a rule that there’s only one fruit active at a time, so since teach has the gura gura powers, there is no gura gura fruit in existence

[pure raven]

I like to believe that Teach has a small tree bush near him that would have grown the gura gura no mi

but ppl dont like that theory cause it's silly

[lilac mirage]

Lol

[rare vault]

yo I thought about this just now

oda said marine ford is going to look like a kindergarden after wano

so there has to be at least 2 kills i guess

[dusky acorn]

Ace and Whitebeard did die, and effectively gave Marineford two major deaths as you say, but deaths aren't the only way to surpass arcs in magnitude and excitement. But Yasuie did already lose his life, and Kanjuro/Ashura seem to be following that path so you'll still be likely getting what you desire out of Wano.

Let's try and theorise without making comparisons to #western-series btw, I'm pretty sure that's a crucial part of it @rare vault

And for Oda's quote, it was supposedly in reference to the final war, not what's going down right now

[rare vault]

mhm

[golden pewter]

Oden wrote that they saw the one piece but didn’t state what it was exactly

[turbid pewter]

Shanks might have been inspired by Norse God tyr
Who lost his arm for justice
Both are known for their swordsmanship
And sense of justice
And red hair
Shanks also travels in a Viking ship
The Norse God tyr was killed by gramr
And gramr is a huge hell hound with 3 heads
Blackbeard is associated with 3 heads
Shanks and Blackbeard are bound to clash
Blackbeard would probably kill shanks

[zinc iris]

or oda left out that part because we are not supposed to know the finale

[dark palm]

I feel like this is all Oden wrote

in regards to the secrets

plus the whole joyboy thing

[tired osprey]

probably

[dark palm]

but I don't think he went into specifics

[tired osprey]

something about momo too id guess

with yamato saying he is the key and all that

[zinc iris]

i always hate when a guy writes a log for the fate of the future but deliberately leaves important stuff out

what a dick
now I hate oden even more

[dark palm]

he only really started writing em because he wanted to act like a pirate lol

[pastel summit]

to be fair, he intentionally left it vague because otherwise he would've told toki and the scabbards. but he never did. otherwise the roger pirates also would've told everyone already what they learnt.

[vital pilot]

Lol one piece is basically based on oda life. Maybe luffy find one piece at age 22. Based on how he started the series.😂

[wooden topaz]

wondering did law know luffy recruit jinbe ?

[night jewel]

he just found out when jinbe arrived in wano by the looks of it

both kid and law were shocked when jinbe arrived so it seems like they didnt know before

[ripe yacht]

hello everybody.. do we know how kaido got from a fish fish no mi to a dragon? got any theories?

[dark palm]

The model is “uo uo no mi: model Seiryuu”

So he was always a dragon

The fish reference is purely to the myth, and due to Oda not wanting to be redundant with the already existing “ryu ryu no mi” category, which is used for dinosaurs

[ripe yacht]

so there can be more models of the uo uo no mi.. nice😅

[keen portal]

As for how. Here.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/477571830941614080/831186025220800512/unknown.png

[teal nymph]

so does that mean that kaido can / maybe survive in the ocean ?

[pure raven]

[ripe yacht]

maybe xebec had the fish fish fruit before..

[pastel summit]

no. Smiley also had a water creature zoan but couldn't survive in water. Unless kaido has some fishman blood in him, he shouldn't be able to survive drowning.

[teal nymph]

then what is the the pont of a dish fish fruit when u don't gain abilities of fish unlike other zoan fruits ?

[pastel summit]

a shark zoan would be pretty good. like hybrid shark on land.

[teal nymph]

that is like an eagle zoan that cant fly lol XD

[fallow tree]

wouldnt both have been in Wano at the time?

during WCI

[night jewel]

yeah, law had left zou at the same time as the strawhats left for wci so he should have reached wano before the wci stuff ended, and kidd seems to be in wano for a decent bit too

[ancient vault]

we've seen kid in wano in WCI

or like between zou and WCI

[night jewel]

yea

[lunar shell]

Bm gave him ( yeah she is THAT tard )

[sturdy hawk]

Chapter 824, called "playing pirates" 😎

[pastel summit]

okay, small little theory here, more of a question. What did she mean by this? My guess is, she knows the Nefertari Family were part of the original 20, chose to not go to Mary Geoise, and for some reason, are guarding the poneglyphs which the WG do not want people to see. So the question is, does she KNOW definitively why the Alabasta Kingdom has a poneglyph, or is she assuming that it's hypocritical for Cobra to be saying he is protecting the poneglyph while being part of the WG? If she knows, then would that mean that the Alabasta Kingdom originally never intended on protecting the poneglyph, but outright preventing ANYONE from finding it?

this could tie into something. 12th is pretty recent. If you assume like, 65 yrs per ruler? That'd date back the 1st king being alive during the void century? Could mean there were conflicting values between whoever was the ruling family prior.

[opal portal]

ive heard this over 1000 times could be true but ols stop

[honest spade]

Theory: I think Shanks or Buggy was on the island during the God Valley Incident being either Citizens of the island or a celestial dragon. Considering when God Valley happened they would both be like 1 at the time.

[polar bison]

such a raw line

I took this panel as Robin’s worldview coming to focus. she doesn’t believe there’s any “protection” in hiding history, as its main worth is being passed on to the following generation. so she’s naturally suspect of his/their motives

[pastel summit]

Do you think she'd still hold this view? Coming into contact with many different civilizations, who also have been tasked with "protecting" the poneglyphs, but there's clearly a reason for it.

I think you're probably correct. I think it's more like she thinks it's hypocritical for a WG-affiliated country to proclaim that they are "protecting" the poneglyphs, when the WG has actively sought to destroy them.

but the other countries are not WG affiliated.

oh, except for FMI I guess. hmmm. but there's context behind that one.

then again, there's also unknown context behind alabasta as well. Can't wait until we actually get an answer to it, since seemingly cobra asked and it probably got him killed.

[pure raven]

@vestal rampart Decide for yourself, keep spoiler talk out of here in anyway please

[vestal rampart]

ok

[polar bison]

I think specifically with Alabasta, she’d definitely see the value in protecting information relating to an ancient weapon. and thereafter, she doesn’t seem to have any judgment for the protectors of the next two poneglyphs

[polar bison]

^

[fringe tide]

When do you guys think the sh will get their own marine ship following them? Like doffy had tsuru, roger had garp, we’ve seen wb also had marine ship following/keeping tabs on them

[wild veldt]

Smoker has been following them since Loguetown

[dense wing]

At this point it may be because she suspects that Cobra as a WG "lackey" is keeping the Poneglyph "protected" simply to keep Pluton in the hands of the WG to be used at any time. We know Robin's disdain for the WG's control over history so it makes sense

[fringe tide]

Smokers following cause thats what he wanted, i meant like the wg assigning someone to officially follow them around

[novel zephyr]

doffy was a proper pirate, staying in one place, riading, moving around

luffy doesnt do that so its different circumstances, they might not see the need for anyone that smoker

[pure island]

i kind of want to see big mom pick a fight with kaido, she seemed pretty pissed off here, itll be interesting to see if she does or not

[weak arrow]

Don’t spoiler tag images in the future. Anything up to what’s announced is free game in this channel and marking it as spoilers is gonna make people think you’re talking about the leak.

[pure island]

yes, my bad, i copied and pasted from somewhere where it was already marked as spoiler, so it remained marked as such

[pure island]

same image but not marked as spoiler this time

[stone onyx]

Luffy always breaks something of his opponents: glasses, noses, crew, armor.
Do you think he will break Kaidou's weapon or horns?

[grizzled fog]

Maybe a horn

[sand sail]

I'm looking for Luffy to break off some scales. Like, literally hit Kaido so hard they go cracking or flying away

[pure raven]

Luffy maybe breaking the club?

[zinc iris]

I've been playing monster hunter so much I'm imagining breaking kaido's parts for getting the materials

[pure raven]

I’m hoping killer kills Hawkins, massacres all of Hawkins puppets and slices him in half or he wouldn’t be true to his name lol it’s legit killer

how do you guys think the war will play out after this.?

[dawn dust]

I think someone important (on luffys side) will die.

[pure raven]

hmm

but who joins in

what direction is the war going.?

Is it a complete win.? They save Wano? Conflicts have to be interrupted.?

[pure raven]

anyone notice that ashura doji and hyogoro both have the same flower tattoos

no.

[forest rampart]

Any nice theory on SSG new weapons?

[dusky acorn]

One of the theories up top revolves around it, you can take a read if you like. #manga-theories message

It has to do with a character you wouldn't immediately expect, but it's pretty good

[forest rampart]

Vegapunk
Warning
Whitebeard's pic

I thought it might has smth to do with the new weapon but now idk..

[fallow tree]

Could be Weevil

[grim oyster]

what chapter was this

[ancient vault]

@forest rampart weevil not whitebeard

you can see the blonde beard hanging down

[ancient vault]

956

no wait

The other chapter before wano where we saw coby for the first time again

[junior cape]

Well as things are going now, there are a TON of heavyweight fighters locked up in highly contentious matchups that could each determine the fate of the raid. Ideally, all of the Samurai force fighters would win, causing Kaido's forces to implode from the resulting power vacuum. The higher priority matchups are Chopper v. Queen, Dogstorm (and Sanji?) v. Jack, Marco v. King, Usopp/Nami v. Ulti/Page One, and Kid v. BM. If ANY of these fighters goes unchecked, they could shift the board entirely for one side or the other. Example: If Usopp and Nami cannot beat Ulti and Page One, even with Big Mom's """assistance""", those two dino-users could go around the island and rip/beat the samurai to shreds, easily. Another: If Dogstorm cannot beat Jack, you can rest assured that Jack will go on another rampage, and chemical weapons may be used with abandon. As for the most important matchup, we have Luffy v. Kaido. If Luffy cannot beat Kaido, the whole thing is over; Kaido will literally go around killing everyone, and nobody will be able to stop him. Finally, we have some loose fighters that could shake things up, including Zoro (INCREDIBLY wounded, don't expect much), Law (Doctor, can get some fighters back in the action, probably), Sanji (Could wreck the balance in a lesser fight), Zeus (Could aid Nami), and The Red Scabbards (heavily wounded, still kicking, trying to protect their lord). It's already a reality that some have died in this raid, and more casualties are likely, but I believe that the outcome of the raid will be a Samurai victory.

As for further casualties, we've already seen Orochi bite the dust twice, but he still might be alive, on his final head. Otherwise, more of the Samurai are likely, such as Okiku (blood loss, arm loss), and Dogstorm (Jack)

[polar bison]

that’s not what morj thinks tho.

y r u calling him dogstorm also

[dense wing]

Dogstorm lol

I remember the good old days of Dogtooth, but yeah, we'll have to see what happens Post-Wano when we get news

[junior cape]

Who the hell is morj and why should I care? This is a THEORY CHANNEL. I'm gonna put forward my theory and you're gonna read it and the rest is history.

[dusty galleon]

Triggered 😂😂

One too many Morj references lol

[junior cape]

Whether it's right or wrong is inconsequential, we're here for the discussions about "what-if" scenarios.

[dusty galleon]

Idk about Khione but most morj references are for meme purposes, just treat them as such

Life is a lot easier that way

[junior cape]

I still have no idea who morj is

[dusty galleon]

He's a youtuber

[junior cape]

Oh

[dusty galleon]

Makes lots of theory vids, some of which are half decent

The rest are, well, the reason most morj references are for memeing

[junior cape]

I see. Doesn't explain why I should care for their opinion though.

[dusty galleon]

I mean if you are theorizing about the same thing you might want to hear other viewpoints, but like I said it's mostly meme purposes

Like all the raid fail jokes

[pastel summit]

Usopp/Nami v. Ulti/Page One
Why are people still shilling this fight after 1011.

[dusty galleon]

Lol yeah, P1 is probably out for good

[pastel summit]

someone explain the thought process why you think this fight is going to happen. Even if P1 gets up, his priority would be BM. Ulti isn't gonna give a shit about Nami and Usopp when BM knocked P1.

[languid rune]

Yea nami ussop and chopper may not even get fights in wano tbh

[pastel summit]

I think it may extend to the other fights as well. Like, I think Sasaki might stop fighting Franky once he sees Ulti trying to fight BM.

[meager marsh]

Kaido doesnt have Conq Haki?

[dusty galleon]

He does

[junior cape]

All emperors do

[lilac mirage]

Does tama's DF have a weakness? Like when she's knocked out the powers of her DF will loose thier effect, e.g sugar , mingo

[dark palm]

she got knocked out by kaido

and speed stayed under her control, as did those weird animals

[grizzled fog]

She seemed to be unconscious in act 1 while she was sick too, although that was less clear

[sand sail]

This last chapter implied she doesn't need to be conscious or necessarily alive for her power to continue

Or, that she believed

[dark palm]

yeah

pretty sure it's a change in brain chemistry

rather than a "spell" of sorts

could also be an avenue for Zunesha to have received a command from a previous user of that fruit

[sand sail]

It's also the perfect fruit to have that lasting effect, too

I know at least evan is vehemently against that, but I'd love if that ended up being a thing

Especially if it ends up being the way that Zunesha helps, if Momonosuke is preoccupied for some reason

[dark palm]

why would he be against that

[sand sail]

Best to let him explain, but I believe it was general disbelief that Zunesha's command would be susceptible to being overridden by Tama's powers

[dark palm]

I think you misunderstand what I mean

It'd be for some prior member of the Kozuki to have received a command from a previous user of Tama's fruit, to serve the clan for eternity

among other things

[sand sail]

Oh, so the previous user is the reason Zunesha only listens to certain Kozuki members?

That's an interesting theory. I want to back it up, but then what sets Momonosuke apart that Zunesha could tell that would allow him to command it?

But following that thought a bit too, what if Zunesha's crime was being some rampaging beast back in the day, and the previous user of the fruit was a Kozuki who managed to stop it?

[dark palm]

I dunno, some intuitive understanding from Zunesha themselves that allowed it

could also be from the Amatsuki clan

like "I sense this person can command me"

not that far-fetched given that Tama minions are able to know they're controlled

and yeah, that could very well be it

[sand sail]

True, the Kozuki may have the bond with the Mokomo Kingdom, but the Amatsuki could be the ones who sent Zunesha away

It could've even been Toki's own family since she was around back then

Like, mother/father/brother

[rain crag]

Why does this chat exist still?

[dusky acorn]

Why wouldn't it? Thiis is the only place people can discuss knowing everyone is coming in here with complete seriousness, and it's the most practical place to post actual extensive theories

[dense wing]

This chat is very useful as a theory archive as well

The pins specifically have great ones

[rain crag]

It says 1011 manga theories
Essentially meaning predictions for 1012 when the spoilers are already out
Shouldnt you change the name?

[dark palm]

Please read the #old-channel-info and #old-rules

you seem to misunderstand

[rain crag]

Oh gotcha

[fallow knot]

I have a question why those artificial df have a side effects of smille why not something else. We know D family members always smile on hard situations. Raftale already named laughtale. There has to be a reason specilly when oda said after wano we will get an idea what one piece really is

[supple nimbus]

• Artificial Fruits; Oda's creative choice, but interesting parallel with the D thing, tho no correlation. (I think)
• Laughtale and Raftale was due to Oda being coy and never properly revealing the last Islands name
• Yes, we all are waiting for that.

[surreal harness]

why ppl think is wrong luffy can fight againts kaido ? ye he got oneshotted eariler but luffy didnt have coc for blocking..

and luffy have maybe strongest or atlest near strongest coc 😄

[fallow knot]

I mean if those artificial df's sideeffects are oda's choice, it feels weird unless oda have something in mind following it

[cedar sinew]

it's probably just a thematic significance and the nuance of having to smile/laugh uncontrollably in extremely difficult times

it definitely resonates more to the readers as it is compared to like, if the side effect was extreme pain or whatever

[pastel summit]

also the irony of the main ingredient used to create smiles being called SAD

[cedar sinew]

and matches well with Wano's current situation

[supple nimbus]

Oda just oda'ing

[cedar sinew]

they're also called smiles so ofc their sideeffects are smiles

[junior cape]

Smile fruits were named for their side effects, not the other way around

I imagine if they spontaneously made you burst into flames upon failure, they'd be called burners or something like that

[mellow silo]

Why do u exist?

[real swan]

Quick theory. Devil fruits affect the user by altering their Lineage Factor. We also know the Yami Yami no Mi has the ability to completely nullify Devil Fruit powers, and "return anything to nothing". If this fruit nullifies Devil Fruit powers, it might make sense that it also nullifies the change to a person's Lineage Factor, treating it as if nothing changed at all. As the one who ate the fruit, Blackbeard's physical blueprint is essentially "nothing" and as such is always treated as if it doesn't have a Devil Fruit, allowing him to then consume or take the powers of other fruits. These new powers can be used but still without changing Blackbeard's Lineage Factor.

[supple nimbus]

Ohh..... but we still don't know much about Lineage factor tho.....

[weary cliff]

Its understood to basically be like DNA. And variations of this BB theory pop up from time to time. Its probably right

[pure raven]

Lineage factor is literally the correspondence to DNA in our world..

I phrased this poorly, but its something like that..

[elder skiff]

If zoro gets the other black sword ⚔️ the one that he won from the samurai who killed a dragon with emma and that kido is getting shit on

[wooden topaz]

any idea IF any SHP crew die (except luffy) what will happen ? as we know luffy is lost his mind when he lost his brother.

[steel breach]

Besides Usopp I don’t think any of the Straw hats will really die and even then that’s kinda pushing it

[bright vapor]

Someone of Strawhats dying

[weary cliff]

The idea is that a future powerup for Zoro is making his swords black blades. Shisui was retired for Enma and likely won't come back. There might be an upgrade from sandai to nidai kitetsu before the end of wano

[elder skiff]

yea

[elder skiff]

he might get too keep them because he vs kido and saved the place

[weary cliff]

Shisui is already a black blade. He's going to make his own instead of use one that Ryuma upgraded is what I meant

[wooden topaz]

i think enma will soon be black sword because haki. Enma itself is sword who's absorb many haki user, even since oden.

[wooden topaz]

i totally worry about this

[elder skiff]

CAP USSOP IS THE BEST SEE HIS ROLE IN MOVIE STAMPEDE HE DON"T LOSE STAMINA AND HIS JOB IS TO SNIPE NOT GET INFRONT ACTION PLUS USSOP IS BETTE THAT A LOT OF NAVYS SO HE WILL SUVIVE PLUS HE WILL LEARN HAKI IN FUTURE BECAUSE SANJI KNOWS HAKI AND LIKE LUFFY USSOP WILL LEARN HAKI BY LUFFY

IF BROOK LEANS HAKI WILL WE SEE A BLACK BONES LOL

[cedar sinew]

@elder skiff calm down with the caps

[elder skiff]

ok

sorry by axe

[lilac mirage]

So I was seeing some theories in reddit about luffy's DF awakening, some said that he will be able to stretch ultimate distance and time, some said that he will turn into rubber objects, and few said that he will turn his surrounding into rubber like mingo and katakuri,

And I was thinking:

"What if luffy's gear's are his DF awakening"?

It's just a random idea, I would like to see your opinions on it

[weak arrow]

Nah. Gears are just a clever application of his devil fruit, sorta like mr 3’s wax armor or when Magellan travels in his poison to get around

[lilac mirage]

Ok thanks for telling

[tough pasture]

I don't believe that Luffy's awakening will be able turn objects into rubber

doesn't seems useful

[jade palm]

true

but turning things into mochi didnt seem much usefull too,

[lilac mirage]

I think what they meant by turning luffy's surrounding into rubber was that:

He could use his surrounding to attack his opponent or just make them loose their footing ( not sure if it's the right word)

[pure raven]

The whole Bounce World thing also serves as a counter to Teach getting WB's vibration fruit.

[steel breach]

100% that’s his awakening

[vestal rampart]

anyone got any nice, coheisive theories I can read during math class?

[keen portal]

Take a look at pins

Also pay attention in class smh

[vestal rampart]

yea but that was so long ago

And I am, but... im the only virtual person in my math class rn and its so embarrassing. everyone in my grade went back to school full time today and I couldnt because I was exposed to covid 2 weeks ago even though im negative. sad.

So it is rly awk

[keen portal]

You read all the theories in pins?

[elder skiff]

E

[vestal rampart]

I read a few of them a little while ago but I need new, refreshing theories for upcoming chapters

[elder skiff]

USSOP IS THE BEST LOL Jk

[lilac mirage]

Lol

[elder skiff]

He the sniper

I have no roles 😭

[vestal rampart]

#old-role-info

[lilac mirage]

Sed

[elder skiff]

Oh ok

[keen portal]

@vestal rampart Here
#manga-theories message

[vestal rampart]

thanks g

[steel breach]

You see that Mr Morj vid where he talks about potential members

[keen portal]

Yeah

[steel breach]

Smoker would be pretty cool and their first logia but I have really no idea how he’d join properly

[elder skiff]

E

[keen portal]

I can understand the story point of smoker slowly becoming disillusioned with the WG.

But I don't understand why would he then join a pirate crew after that, much less the strawhat crew

[vestal rampart]

I like your theory Elvaria, I'm not sure how I feel yet about Yamato joining the crew though

That said, I don't necessarily feel any more strongly towards Carrot

[keen portal]

Yeah there are other factors to her joining OR not joining, as I pointed. But we don't know where her story goes just yet

[elder skiff]

Wait is shanks stronger that kido ?? What do u think

[lilac mirage]

Shanks stopped kaido

[elder skiff]

Ohh yea

What do u think is jimbei comes back ??

[lilac mirage]

What if kaido sees shanks in luffy, like luffy does a move that shanks did to stop him from getting to marineford, and then we see how exactly shanks stopped kaido and made it to marineford

[vestal rampart]

true, I just dont like how she already knows everything from Oden's journal. Though obviously she/he wont tell Luffy and the crew. I also feel like carrot would be a better fit. Another thing is that I wouldn't like the crew power inbalance with how strong Yamato is. I feel like everyone in the crew just needs to get stronger before having someone like her/him join. I'm not sure what Yamato will do but I know that she/he will go out to see regardless. Yamato's story just fits nicely for becoming a SH so idrk.

[elder skiff]

Ohhf yea that would be sick

And the boa comes to save luffy LOL

[jaunty turret]

What if yamato didnt read the journal

[keen portal]

1. I doubt she knows everything that Oden knew just from the journal, because I doubt he wrote what he saw on laugh tale. I probably think he wrote that he does know about the D, the void century, one piece etc. But just that. That he knows. Not what he knows.

2. I don't think her joining creates any more or any less imbalance than Jinbe's joining does. That said, Jinbe just for the first time joined with the full SH so we're yet to see the impact, if there's any or crew dynamics. We'd have a better idea then if we did.

3. And yes, Yamato's dreams of leaving the island she was tied down to and going out to sea, will definitely need fulfilling. Ace made her that promise and I can see no one else except Luffy to fulfill that promise.

[steel breach]

Kinda a stretch but she could join law

Also possible that carrot and Yamato would join the crew, there’s technically no limit set just speculation

[sand sail]

2. I don't think her joining creates any more or any less imbalance than Jinbe's joining does.

Wanted to touch on this, but power imbalance should never be a factor when considering who should join. Like elvaria said, Jinbe's already thrown whatever may have been there out of whack, and Oda certainly isn't going to be thinking about the crew's power in regard to who joins

Outside of just generally bringing someone strong on

[ancient vault]

u all wrong tama is joining

[fringe tide]

Yeah jimbes someone who has a 500(?) +mill bounty plus decades of experience, he could easily become the part of the monster trio throwing that out of wack

[ancient vault]

hes not strong enough

[sand sail]

Yeh, "Monster Trio" was never a set thing anyway too

It was just an easy way to sum up crew positions for like one arc lol

[vestal rampart]

I like what you said for 1 but im still not convinced

[sand sail]

I do doubt that Oden wrote much about the void century, maybe the Will of D.? I figure all he wrote was just that Wano had to be ready for Joyboy's return

[steel breach]

I wouldn’t mind Momo and Tama joining

Depends on whether or not his grandpa is alive

[keen portal]

Mmm that's fine, there's definitely more room for yamato setup if she's joining, so we'll just have to wait.

But what are you not conviced of, if I may ask. Point 1 specifically or yamato joining in general as a whole?

[vestal rampart]

What I meant was, I think you could be right about number 1

[keen portal]

I see

[polar bison]

I don’t think there’s rlly any question about point 1. the narration of the Oden flashback during Roger’s adventures is his logbook, and what he writes regarding Laugh Tale is that they discovered everything, and Roger’s reaction to it. at no point i believe does yamato suggest they know anything more than that

[pure raven]

i hope zoros lineage will be revealed soon, oda had hinted at it massively in a sbs i think

[pure raven]

Jinbei got how many years of set up?

[keen portal]

Since the end of fishman island

[real swan]

Bit late but never thought of this, could be a really cool way to counter the fruit. Having everything be rubber could also be a clever way to have his attacks ricochet off of everything and become completely unpredictable.

[pure raven]

Wasn't Jinbe mentioned at Arlong Park?

[real swan]

Yup!

[keen portal]

Ye. But I guess this question was about setup for his joining, specifically.

The first mention of which, was at the end of FMI

[pure raven]

Luffy learning how to hit people without touching them is also something that'll aid him against Teach's direct physical contact fruit-nullifying powers

[real swan]

Also soft-counters observation haki in a way too. Imagine a flurry of random, advanced armament/conq covered attacks.

The whole area just becomes a death trap

[steel breach]

That’s not to say BB won’t be problem dude will be op as hell

[real swan]

Yea BB will destroy everything lol, but he's also got one of the biggest downsides in that he takes extra damage. Will be an interesting battle.

[steel breach]

Glass cannon

[pure raven]

Could you imagine if Luffy takes Blackbeard out with one hit?

[real swan]

Would actually be reasonable if it was something like a conq-enhanced king kong gun

[steel breach]

Theoretically it’s possible but that ain’t happenin

[random yacht]

he's more of a glass multi projectile rocket launcher with the power he has

[sand sail]

Blackbeard is the opposite of a glass cannon

[real swan]

There's a lot of truth to that as well. He takes heavy damage but powers through it all. Imagine if he took normal damage?

[random yacht]

yeah maybe wood

[elder skiff]

i think black beard and buggy will team up as the last luffys opponents and then shanks will help him defeat them

[languid rune]

Why would buggy team up with Blackbeard?

[dusky acorn]

There's a theory that Blackbeard went to the Warlord locations to scoop some of them up under his wing

He said he stands to gain from something related to the marines

Whilst Buggy just happens to be the best candidate for that sort of thing

[weak arrow]

Don’t think he’d be going after Buggy. As weird as it sounds, I’d say if he wanted a warlord to join his crew, weevil is somehow the best candidate mostly because the dude has been almost completely irrelevant to the story thus far.

Granted I think he’s more so after an ancient weapon either way.

[grim oyster]

Theory: the last ancient weapon Uranus are devil fruits, the gura gura no mi could destroy the world if you wanted so don’t say they aren’t powerful enough

[dusky acorn]

As for Weevil, he's been at this solo tirade against the Whitebeard remnants for a long while, but it doesn't feel like it's going to go anywhere too crazy. Tieing him into a big character like Blackbeard would be cool, but the issue is he has expressed contempt for him being the guy who led to Whitebeard's demise.
Knowing him though, he may still be manipulated into it depending on what merit Bakkin sees out of affiliating with him, now that he can't be a Warlord. I suppose a plot-line like this, only for Weevil to wake up and turn against Bb/Bakkin down the line could live up to all the hype as a cool character that Oda keeps telling us he'll be

[elder skiff]

Bro he teamed up with navy he will team up so he can becomes pirate 👑 and shiton black beard

[elder skiff]

But there is no. Way he know how to read acient text he needs someone like robin

[lilac mirage]

Three eyed people?

[real swan]

Was actually thinking something like this during my reread. But considering the relations to the word sky Uranus has I have a feeling it's either on the moon or with sky people.

[grim oyster]

Pluton is based of of Pluto and it’s a ship I think

[cedar sinew]

devil fruits as in one devil fruit or devil fruits in general?

[grim oyster]

Devil fruits in general

[real swan]

Could also mean the origin of devil fruits?

[grim oyster]

Like knowlage of how to make actual devil fruits? Not smiles but actual dfs

[real swan]

Is a very cool possibility. I think considering both SMILES and vegapunks creation of an actual fruit I have a feeling all fruits are manmade in some way

[grim oyster]

Cloning dfs is also a possibility (momosuke and kaido) also maybe the 100 year void has something to do with the creations of devil fruits and that is why the WG covered it up so they could stop people from becoming crazy strong

[cedar sinew]

yeah uh idk. Following the theme of poseidon and pluton I'm more inclined to think Uranus is a single object or some crucial knowledge. Feels weird to have it be DFs which we already know a lot about. Though it does tie back into the void century really well and potentially explains how the Ancient Kingdoms fought and why they fought in the first place

[grim oyster]

Pluton can be more than one object, you can build more than one of the same ship

[cedar sinew]

pluton IS one object, it's a battle ship. It just happens to be that there's also a blue print for it

which is now gone

[real swan]

Here's a thought I had too. What is JoyBoy is actually still alive, and the reason everyone still awaits him is because Toki sent them to a very specific point in the future, around Luffy's time. Explains why some people still awaits their return and why Toki is explained to be from the void century and why Roger wishes he met them during their time.

[grim oyster]

That means there could have been more than one pluton then, like dfs

[pure raven]

the time travel fruit is incredibly weird given the death rule

[cedar sinew]

I guess there could've been? Though it's heavily implied that there's only one and it's missing

[pure raven]

technically in any given context, when you time travel forward in time, the fruit should exist

A. You Time travel forward and there's no time travel fruit for those 800 years and it appears in the present
B. You Time Travel forward and a new fruit appears since you effectively die once you go forward in time and thus always die so it could be considered a potential one time use fruit

[grim oyster]

A is what probably happens because tiki has time traveled multiple times and when you eat a devil fruit you get the spirit inside the fruit that stays with you until you die

So I assume there was no time fruit for over 800 years since took never died, the spirit of the time fruit came with her

[queen arrow]

wdym you "effectively die" when you go forward in time?

[real swan]

Probably being you don't technically exist between the two points in time

[queen arrow]

you just go to the future, and the fruit power inside you goes with you to the future

[grim oyster]

I think he means you go past your normal death time and “die”

[pure raven]

^

[grim oyster]

^

[queen arrow]

but you don't physically die

so the fruit power doesn't leave your body, making it not reappear

[grim oyster]

^

[pure raven]

Yes but would potentially the fruit reappear in the past from when it was once eaten or would it appear in the present was the hypothetical I was offering

but it looks maybe like the first one since everyone thinks time travel is gonna be playing a HUGE part in this

[queen arrow]

it would appear in the time after the person with the power dies

[pure raven]

which honestly true

[queen arrow]

the fruit power wouldn't time travel back to the past

[surreal heath]

black beard wwhen he gets punched once starts crying but his defense is actually pretty high

[fallow tree]

Why would it appear in the past

[surreal heath]

ew red phoenix

[pure raven]

Honestly it's a very weird fruit but it's also me questioning the capabilities of it and what type of time travel narrative this is

[fallow tree]

It cant ho back

[pure raven]

I'm the type of person who really over thinks and analyzes this

[fallow tree]

Oda made that clear the DF can only go forward

[grim oyster]

Your overthinking this man

[pure raven]

I really am; apologies my dudes

[fallow tree]

So i doubt itd reappear in the past

[grim oyster]

^

[pure raven]

There's probably a devil fruit that travels to the past or some shit

[fallow tree]

Overthinking leads to 90% of theories

[fallow tree]

No, that would be unbeatable

“Imma go back and kill you as a baby”

[pure raven]

Also true; My only real major theory is that Ouranus is a weapon the celestial dragons threaten to use to destroy the world hence why the marines do everything in their power to obey them despite them being shit.

@fallow tree weird question but like... do they actually get to control that? Cause the cost of that would be your natural life getting drastically potentially fucked

and also inputting the connundrum of "What if you go back in time to prevent yourself from eating the devil fruit?

[fallow tree]

Ye il

Whicu is why he prolly left it out as a possibility... too much to have to explain and fix

[grim oyster]

You get stuck in that timeline until you eat the df I guess

[pure raven]

I mean time travel forward is still a major fruit though it's use here is uhh

👀 Let's say quite complex???

[grim oyster]

I wouldn’t say it’s a major player on the field as we have no idea if toki survived

[pure raven]

I think it's just a writing thing as to like "Why would you introduce time travel if it doesn't play a role?" Since like Toki actually hasn't done much if anything at all besides give a vague prophecy

[real swan]

Do we know how long she lived in the void century for?

Cause given how she has both the ability to send others to the future and is from the VC leaves me to believe someone else from the VC is in the present time or will appear at some time.

And that could be huge.

[grizzled fog]

It did play a role tho? It literally sent Kin and the others forward in time so they could recruit luffy

[weak arrow]

The fruit isn't even what caused the vague prophecy either

It was Oden basically telling her that strong pirates that can beat kaido will come in 20 years cause of his knowledge about what One Piece is

[pure raven]

What I'm saying is, Time Travel is too major of a force to just be used for something as minor as that when simply setting things up appropriately would have fulfilled the purpose of "recruit Luffy"

[grizzled fog]

I think the role it’s played is already pretty major, and having time travel become too relevant and ingrained in the plot is risky anyway, if it becomes more relevant shit could get real confusing

[weak arrow]

It already sent Toki from the void century to like ~25 years ago so everything Toki ever did is apart of what the fruit has done for the story

[pure raven]

I mean it's role and purpose is disproportionate to the power being introduced. That's like having someone water your garden by throwing a hurricane at it.

[pure raven]

Yes I know that but that does quite literally nothing. Toki atm being from the void century does nothing for the plot

Unless there's a massive revelation that we as an audience get from Toki being from the void century, there's no real reason to have time travel be an occurrence given the incredibly large ramifications of what that type of power could be used for.

[weak arrow]

How else would you like being able to time travel forward to be implemented into the story?

The only possible thing left I could see is someone sending Tama a year into the future, maybe to avoid the wrath of X-drake when he attacked their little dwelling

[pure raven]

I'm in the camp that time travel, if introduced, should be done so incredibly carefully and with an incredibly grand purpose and so far it really hasn't been utilized well other than give Oden a time traveling Waifu and to throw Momo and co to the future which we really didn't necessarily need to be given a time travel explanation. We'd be just fine having Oden die a little later in the timeline and Momo being born a little later and company thrown off Wano later on for a good period of time

[ancient vault]

that wouldnt work

[pure raven]

Toki from the void century? Atm has no actual bearing or purpose that I hope would explain more later on after the fight and obligatory recovery chapter

[ancient vault]

We needed Oden to die 20 years ago so kaido gets to build his empire there
Also toki will probably get more meaning later in the arc. Manga rn is just filled with fights, no time for toki

If oden went to wano and became shogun then only died 20 years later to kaido that wouldve been weird

[sacred hawk]

What if the Tobiroppo was originally a squad that Kaido made for Yamato to lead, and Yamato was supposed to be the sixth member? But since she wanted nothing to do with them, Kaido eventually just filled the empty seats with someone else?

[amber oar]

I thought the tobiroppo were just the 6 strongest headliners?

[dense wing]

The Tobiroppo pretty sure yeah, strongest 6 headliners, all former captains

[mellow sapphire]

It's possible that Yamato was intended to be one tho

[pseudo citrus]

I think yamato was always intended to be shogun, as part of kaido's wano takeover plan

[amber oar]

I see Yamato being shogun as a very misunderstanding way from Kaido to kept her quiet with the Oden LARPing thing

Probably thought that making her shogun would make her easier to control

[pseudo citrus]

I guess it's a situation of whether kaido's plan or the oden LARP came first... I'm sure we'll learn in a flashback though

[amber oar]

I think the New Onigashima plan only came recently and is, at least partially, related to the BM alliance. Because he had 20 years to do it and suddenly decides to do it now?

For 20 years his plan in regards to Wano was milking resources, making weapons, getting rich. Now he suddenly wants to convert it into a pirate paradise? It also sounds like wanting to open it

[pseudo citrus]

I would have guessed that the weapons production and SMILE acquiring was to build an army to execute the plan we see now... but you're right that the timing with Mom is suspicious

[pastel summit]

tbh, I highly doubt Kaido came to Wano and stayed there without intent to eventually take it over. Which is why he didn't really give a shit what Orochi did. He was only waiting for all the gears of his operation to start turning, which I assume included the smiles + weapons + men. The Big Mom alliance definitely accelerated stuff, but he was always going to do this plan imo.

[teal nymph]

Onigashima has been flying in air for way too long now , is kaido ever going to reach flower capital to drop it ?

[errant oxide]

How long has it been

[ionic peak]

big mom really hates kaido , oda put kaido on the first name to say

i think there should be another flashbacc on what happen at past when they were still on rock pirates

[craggy pumice]

soon

[teal nymph]

correct me if i am wrong , i think big mom is yet to use her op fruit's full abilities in wano apart from maybe hera ?

[visual merlin]

she's used her other homies quite a bit

[covert hazel]

Heavenly Domain looked like an exhaustive move

[steel breach]

Maybe a couple more homie esc moves but I think we’ve seen most of her playbook

[fringe tide]

Do you guys think bl can do what moriah did woth his fruit? Like can she suck up souls and put them in herself and increase her power

Bm*

[violet orchid]

I've been thinking about the Kaido-Oden conflict and if popular theories about the Fish-Fish fruit are true then they serve as an interesting foil to one another.

Oden was born fucking strong and exceptional as shit. Nobody in Wano even came close to him. The only person to ever hand him a defeat in his life, prior to Kaido, was Gold fucking Roger. Regardless of how you feel about Odenwank, the point Oda was trying to make about him was that he was the shit.

On the other hand (and again assuming that it's the case) Kaido started off weak and took L after L before he steadily got stronger over time.

I know Oda that wanted to position the Scabbards + Oden in their first battle against the Beast pirates as having the odds tilted in the latters favour, but in reality Kaido was punching above his weight in a sense. Because even back during their youth around the battle of God Valley, Kaido was just a pirate apprentice while Oden was the dude who single handedly cut down a city block sized boar.

My point being that Oden was most likely always stronger than Kaido. So during their final battle Oden was the Goliath that David (Kaido) had to overcome.

[pure raven]

Hey guys. When two people use future sight, what action are they predicting? Lets say person 1 does action A but person 2 predicts it and changes his original action to action B. Shouldn't person 1 change his action A because person 2 is changing his action to action B?

In this sense future sight is useless when both people have it

[pastel summit]

interesting take, but Oden was landlocked to Wano. He was the strongest person within the nation, I don't think that necessarily made him the Goliath of the story. Kaido we know got people onto his crew by showcasing his strength. He was strong immediately coming out of Rocks. He may have lost a few times, but he also fought WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more people than Oden ever did.

[vestal rampart]

I think it essentially cancels out... which is what kinda happened to luffy and katakuri though im not 100% sure

[molten lotus]

Yup, both dudes would block every attack they make, but the one who can see further is the one who lands the hits. That's pretty much how Katakuri was hitting Luffy and that's also how Snakeman was hitting Katakuri, due to it being faster than Katakuri's moveset.

[steel breach]

Speeds probably a huge factor as well

[molten lotus]

Yeah, Kaido's Raime Hakkei is insanely fast given how it's always something like a dash attack

[manic relic]

Just a random theory but I'm pretty sure that Im sama has conquerors haki because he or she's literally the king/ queen of the world

[steel breach]

I can imagine Him physically being weak but his CoC being absolutely insane

[manic relic]

If you're the king or queen of the world and in the highest top of the world government then you are a real conqueror/ king/ queen. So CoC will be insane

[manic relic]

I dont expect her to be weak. And I wonder why Im sama stands on the top of world government and why she deserved that position? I think Im samas from the void century and was Joyboys rival

[steel breach]

I think he’s a dude

[manic relic]

I don't know. Hair looks like a woman. And Im sama was also surrounded by butterflies and flowers. And maybe Oda did some inspiration by Kishimoto by making end villain a woman

[steel breach]

Yeah idk bro🤣 I think that’s a dude but I guess it’s possible

[manic relic]

We will know it in few years 😂

[vestal rampart]

do you think they are the strongest?

[manic relic]

I think so because what will be way more challenging after straw hats defeated Kaido? There must be a greater obstacle in the future and I think that will be Im sama. But i think we will see luffy vs im sama after they have reached raftel and learned about the void century, ancient weapons, joyboy, will of D, . ...

[vestal rampart]

Well I just want to see what happens to Akainu and how BlackBeard, Shanks, Dragon, and Imu ties into the story

[manic relic]

I dont think that even admirals know about Im sama. Its top secret. Only gorosei, maybe Kong also knows about Im sama. He was the World Government Commander-in-Chief and former Fleet Admiral. I think Roger knew about Im sama because he learned the truth about the history. Maybe someone else outside of world government also knows about Im sama, I'm thinking about Monkey D Dragon. It's maybe one of the main reasons why he created the revolutionary army. Blackbeard is also a possibility because according to SBS vol. 82 page 46, Blackbeards hobby is researching history, so I won't be surprised if he knows. And another person that maybe knows about is Shanks because he is former roger pirate and rayleigh also knew the truth about history so maybe someone of Roger pirates told it to Shanks. And Shanks can meet gorosei without a problem. Maybe one of the reasons why they are "scared" of Shanks because they can reveal their secret. Sengoku is another option because it seems he knew more about One Piece when Whitebeard was telling about it before he dies. He was acting very "scared" and he was also former fleet admiral.

[tiny ibex]

I think that everyone is gonna die in the raid both sides

[vestal rampart]

kong?

ohhhh nvm

[manic relic]

Sengoku resigned as fleet admiral at Kong after marineford war

[manic relic]

I think Kong > All known admirals

People are sleeping on Kong but he will be relevant end story final war when he must protect World Government

[grizzled fog]

Currently? In his old age?

[dusty galleon]

Kong is like, ancient

[visual merlin]

There's nothing to sleep on

[dusty galleon]

No way he's anywhere close to the current admirals

[manic relic]

Ranked from who has the highest chance to know about Im sama except of Gorosei:

1. Kong
2. Roger
3. Sengoku
4. Dragon
5. Shanks
6. Blackbeard

Just my personal thoughts

[dusty galleon]

The only one that has a remote chance of knowing about that is Roger and perhaps his crew

[visual merlin]

Dragon definitely could know

[dusty galleon]

Maybe dragon
The rest of them have no reason to know at all.

I think Blackbeard might in an off chance find out about Im at some point, but I don't think he already has that kinda info

[visual merlin]

I wouldn't be surprised if any of them knew tbh

[vestal rampart]

why blackbeard?

[weak arrow]

I’d say doflamingo has a better chance than most of the characters, except maybe dragon and possibly Roger

[visual merlin]

Ah, I wouldn't be surprised about Xebec either

[elder skiff]

what if the one piece was taken by traffy with his power while snuck on to the sunny

that will be super bad ending

[visual merlin]

yes that would be bad

[manic relic]

Yes that's what I think. I watched a lot of anime and I have learned to not underrate someone because of his old age. We have also proof in One Piece. Old whitebeard not injured could 1v1 everyone at marineford. Old rayleigh could fight against Kizaru in Sabaody and made it out alive. True that Rayleigh weakened because of his age but still he could fight against an admiral, the absolute topforce of the Navy.

About Kong, just look how an old Kong is still build? Very muscular for his age. He was former fleet admiral before Sengoku but it's not that all his powers dissappeared because of his old age. Check Whitebeard or Rayleigh. And current fact is that kong is the highest autority of the world government after Im sama and Gorosei. He has autority above all admirals marines cipher poll agents and (shichibukai before). And we all know because of his history he is not the kind of type: "only political power"

[visual merlin]

So he used to be an admiral and isn't fodder, but why would he still be stronger than the admirals

[manic relic]

I agree with you about Blackbeard. At this point BB info is the same as the SH'S: none. But he will also learn about Im sama later in the story

[steel breach]

Kong ain’t in his prime bro there’s no way

[visual merlin]

His job currently isn't a fighting one anyway

[dusty galleon]

Just look at how old Kong is built, mascular for his age

WB being buff at MF didn't change the fact he was nowhere close to his prime

[grizzled fog]

We have proof that age DOES affect power, quite drastically. Wb was once the strongest man and in Marineford couldn’t even use obs or coc. Rayleigh was huffing and puffing after a couple minutes of fighting kizaru, and he literally admitted that he got way weaker, as did Garp. And Kong was fleet admiral BEFORE sengoku, dude is from the generation BEFORE Garp. Kong could be 100 by now. Muscles mean jackshit anyway, being muscular in one piece is totally meaningless. You can have fodder that are buffed and top tiers that are scrawny as shit. Kong is definitely not stronger or even as strong as current admirals

[manic relic]

Why doffy because he is celestial dragon? Or else rest of celestial dragons could also know it. But doffy for sure knows a big secret of world government because he blackmailed the world government and he is targeted in impel down

[grizzled fog]

For kong to still be stronger than the admirals he must’ve been as strong as fuckin wb in his prime lmao

[steel breach]

Could’ve been as strong in his prime to WB prime

[dusty galleon]

I didn't actually consider Doffy but makes sense, he does have a decent chance of knowing

[cedar sinew]

there's nothing we can reference to actually gauge kong's strength so it's pointless to talk about

[steel breach]

We can speculate considering he was a former fleet admiral

[dusty galleon]

Kong's been a paper pusher for like, 20 years now

[manic relic]

If Kong is weaker than current admirals than he will be useless end of story and is for political reasons only. After Wano luffy have already surpassed admiral lvl. What will be more challenging for luffy after defeating the strongest creature in the world? Admiral is already downgrade after Kaido. So if Kong is < admiral. Then Luffy will GG kong in a second.

[urban finch]

I’ve got a theory about how Wano will end and the Great War will start can I post this here?

[grizzled fog]

Who says luffy even has to fight kong lol

[cedar sinew]

^

[dusty galleon]

He's been like what Garp and Sengoku are rn for 20 years

[cedar sinew]

sengoku was probably weaker than the admirals during MF

he still played a role

[urban finch]

Theory: Luffy Vs Kaido will push Luffy to his limits, but I think he can beat Kaido in the end and the rest of both their crews are having abnormally slow fights so far. What if as Luffy finishes his fight and is alone on the roof CP-0 shows up and captures him without the rest of his crew knowing. What this would lead to is after beating the rest of Kaido’s crew in Wano there would be another Great War with Luffy being put on execution this time instead of Ace. The grand fleet and straw hats would come to save him at the new Marineford to take him back, which would cause a full scale war. No doubt the big news of the straw hats and allies beating Big Mom and Kaido (according to the news) will send shockwaves which is why I think CP-0 will take action before they can all reconvene and get the last road ponoglyph. I’m not sure about the Elbaf plot line but maybe Usopp and Big mom and some others go there to recruit the giants to help save Luffy. I think this has parallels to not only Marineford but also back in Loguetown when Luffy was almost executed. What are your thoughts on how Elbaf and the Great War after this arc will go?

[dusty galleon]

BuT LuFfY iS mC hE hAs To FiGhT eVeRy bAd GuY eVeR

[manic relic]

Being former fleet admiral and being promoted to world government commander in chief is enough information to assume he is very very strong. He is never strong as his prime. But still very strong. This is anime, not real life

[cedar sinew]

no one's denying that he's strong

[steel breach]

Bro Yonko’s and Admirals are the strongest thing besides WB and roger Kong’s role in the WB is to manage all Military forces

[cedar sinew]

but there's 0 information to conclude he's stronger than the admirals. So it's not a theory

[manic relic]

Isnt that possible as former fleet admiral in prime? Or little bit weaker? And old whitebeard > admiral for me

[forest rampart]

Just an update, nothing much

[manic relic]

If there was information it would be a fact

[onyx fjord]

Those chapters aren’t colored. I think it’s around the 970s

[grizzled fog]

Anything is possible, but that is incredibly unlikely and makes very little sense. Being a fleet admiral pretty much means he was as strong as the admirals once, that’s literally it lol

[dusty galleon]

Considering the admirals are in their 50s while Sengoku was in his 70s, Kong would at least be in his late 80s, probably 90s and nearing a 100. He's nowhere as strong as his prime, which is the only time he could have been argued to be stronger than admirals

[steel breach]

^

[amber oar]

rookie Moria was so dope, worse ageing than Big Mom

[steel breach]

Dude got depressed

[forest rampart]

Yea I know. Probably will take a year for the color manga to be released but that's the anime color, so pretty much do it for me

[dusty galleon]

[steel breach]

I’m sure we’ll see some sorta flashback of the older marines younger kong included but his current position in the WG is Management and merit based not on how currently strong he is

[dusty galleon]

He's a paper pusher, basically

[steel breach]

Exactly dude just tells pep what to do

[manic relic]

Does this guy looks lile 90-100 years come on? Maybe he was fleet admiral in his 25-35? We dont know nothing about age or when he was fleet admiral. We know he was it before sengoku 24 years ago

[dusty galleon]

The color of his clearly indicates it

[molten lotus]

Well for starters One Piece doesn't rank power by position anyway, Garp is the Strongest Marine and he is a Vice Admiral

[dusty galleon]

And looks don't mean jack shit in OP

Case in point