manga-theories

[dusky acorn]

That's clearly just one minor point out of many I've presented lol

[zinc iris]

what would push oda to give coc to Zoro? this is like an argument that already has an unproven starting point

[mild kite]

True. I disagree with ur other points but I dont think the convo would go anywhere. The age argument was the only one i heavily disagreed on

[zinc iris]

is it just to shovel him with the perceived strong power?

[mild kite]

Isn't that the same reason he gave it to Luffy?

[raven trellis]

It would be weird if Zoro had unlocked it before his own captain, so it can make sense if he would unlocked it at an older age

[zinc iris]

Luffy is the leader type

[mild kite]

Same with Zoro. Hes just under a better/greater leader

Same reason why Rayleigh is called the "Dark King". He had the disposition of a leader/king, but was under the shadow of an even greater one

[zinc iris]

well, zoro doesnt

he's definitely more of a knight errant

[mild kite]

According to both vivre cards, Zoro plays the role of a vice captain, and throughout the story has shown leadership qualities.

[zinc iris]

vivre cards are dumb

zoro is the swordsman, and some onlookers mistook him for the vice captain

because he is the second strongest, but otherwise it's more common for nami to call the shots lol

[dusky acorn]

Don't lots of people say Zoro unlocked haki against Daz Bones, which would have been earlier than Luffy already? Conqeurors wouldn't have been such a big leap segwaying from there, but it still didn't happen in his past 4 years of life

[mild kite]

Urouge here saying he is not the person to follow (because Oda is telling us Zoro is more of a leader type himself). Urouge then says "I guess that says alot about his captain. This can be interpreted as Luffy being a greater leader then Zoro; thus, why he is able to have someone like Zoro under him

Say what u want about vivre cards, but they are canon. A way for Oda to include things he didnt have a chance to include into the main story

[dusky acorn]

And the reason Luffy was given Conqeurors wasn't just for sheer power, but to explain why people are so drawn to him. The first time Luffy's kings haki become overly plot relevant was during Marineford, it was not only used to save Ace, but gave a reason for Whitebeard to command all his troops for Luffy and not look like a complete fool for doing so, he had solid reason for it after seeing his haki.

[zinc iris]

vivre cards also said shanks became yonko 17 years ago

[zinc iris]

this desu

[raven trellis]

How many times in the story has Zoro been mistaken for captain or people have been surprised he isn’t the captain? :

1. Urouge and apo in sabody
2. Franky Boys during enies lobby
3. Bounty hunters in whiskey peak
4. Don chinjao after zoro claps pica
5. Mr.1 was wondering why someone like Zoro wasn’t captain.
6. And I also remember someone saying that during the raid in Onigashima.
   These are enough examples why Zoro is a leader type.
   Why he also can possibly have the coc.
   Like @mild kite said, Zoro is a leader but he is under a shadow of an even greater one, just like Rayleigh was.

[mild kite]

I believe that was just a mistranslation. Yeah vivre cards make mistakes, dont get me wrong, but then the manga also makes mistakes, such as katakuri's fruit being a logia and flampes age. Mistakes doesnt disqualify it as a canon material

[polar bison]

no he hasn’t. he objectively hasn’t shown leadership qualities. Zoro is an awful leader. the only way he cares to above people is in terms of strength/swordplay

[zinc iris]

like all of them mistake him for the boss solely because he looks like the stronger one on a pure combat level as Luffy doesn't look so intimidating until he actually gets serious

[mild kite]

So you believe vivre cards arent canon then?

[polar bison]

literally did not say that at all

Zoro can act as a vice captain without being a leader

[mild kite]

But this a fictional story where it has an author. oda intentionally puts those scenes in.

[manic relic]

And Luffy is a great leader? Or not to mention Buggy?

[zinc iris]

aside that this one of those "onlookers" it talked about as the first mate is just urouge's guess, it's more about the fact that Zoro would otherwise be a lone wolf that does things his own way, so making him a team player is a statement on how strong luffy's pull is
don't conflate someone averse to taking orders to someone that is a leader himself
would you call vegeta from dragon ball a team leader?

[mild kite]

Yeah...no. A vice captain is a leadership role alongside the captain

[polar bison]

buggy is certainly a great leader in some ways, as is luffy. they’re both poor in others

[zinc iris]

vivre cards are prone to become obsolete, and some of the filled in details are basically guesses from editorial branch

[mild kite]

Thats like saying you can be captain without being a leader

[manic relic]

Buggy fanboy

[polar bison]

show me where zoro has acted as a leader, and specifically an effective one for the SHs. show me a single example. he does not

[zinc iris]

zoro does a good job at keeping luffy in check when he is too stupid, but it's a personal relationship between those two rather than zoro being some great team chief

[polar bison]

LMFAOOOOOOOOOO. I gotta be a buggy fanboy when the fact that i’m still speaking to u shows I have a high tolerance for clowns

[manic relic]

I was joking

[mild kite]

Yeah, the manga overrides the vivre cards. If the vivre cards say one thing and the manga says another. You take the manga anyday because it is directly wrritten under Oda. Vivre cards are widely known in the onepiece fandom as canon because it is unless it is contradicted by the manga

[polar bison]

I wasn’t

[dusky acorn]

The first mate thing is actually a mistranslation anyway. Urouge says "2番手" in the raws which could mean anything, second highest bounty, second joined, second whatever. https://i.imgur.com/34SKYjo.jpg If you want the reference

[mild kite]

https://imgur.com/a/tDfGbas Found this on reddit.

[polar bison]

exactly - these, the enies lobby moments Zoro has that people point to as a sign of him being some sort of leader, have nothing to do with leadership or any sort of dominance. it’s him making sure Luffy holds himself to the standard that Zoro expects of a man he serves. it’s very personal

[zinc iris]

so now a bodyguard is a leader

[polar bison]

I asked for an example of Zoro leading people and you linked me a page of him following Luffy’s orders holy shit

[mild kite]

Yeah i read this on "the most popular myths in onepiece" by the onepiece wikia site(lol). But every translation i have ever read says "first mate" or "vice captain" in english. I may be wrong, but i think it could mean urouge was implying zoro was vice captain without saying the actual words.

[manic relic]

Zoro in Zou
Zoro in Water 7 with usop

[visual merlin]

For the record, it's not like urouge is part of the crew

[polar bison]

those aren’t

[raven trellis]

Perfect examples when Zoro acted like a leader!

[mild kite]

So u just read the first three pages u saw? Got it.

[polar bison]

I mean it’s also not like people outside the crew considering zoro the first mate would be a new thing

[raven trellis]

Yes it is

[visual merlin]

there's lots of rumors around crews including the strawhats. People think Luffy is 20 foot dude, and that chopper is a pet

[visual merlin]

It's not a new thing, Im just saying it's not like his statement means much

[zinc iris]

like it's not weird that outside characters can be led to think zoro is the "first mate" or "vice captain" because he's the closest friend to Luffy and the second strongest in the crew (sometimes even mistaken for the strongest for Luffy's unassuming looks), but to the audience in the know, Zoro is not someone that really has that role in the team

[polar bison]

im agreeing - barto is way more well informed than Urouge, and he also considers Zoro the first mate, and he also admits that doesn’t mean much bc it’s just him.

[zinc iris]

because often crew ranking is conflated with power ranking even in-universe

but this covers up the character type

[manic relic]

Why can some people post pictures and I cant? @dark palm Permission please?

[visual merlin]

get a role

[dark palm]

!pics

[lone hedge]

Get a role (pirate/revo/marine/civilian) in #old-role-info to be able to post pictures!

[zinc iris]

people think luffy is the captain because he's the strongest, but rather it's because is the one going and the others following him

[tidal musk]

What does the d stand for

[zinc iris]

it's still a mystery

[tidal musk]

It stands for deez nuts

[dusky acorn]

I like Swrml's theory where Oda could actually be going for multiple meanings with it, maybe one literal, like an actual word, and then a couple symbolic

Let's not meme around here tho ( :

[tidal musk]

I'm confused. Is everyone with d biologically related or is it just like a prophecy like name given to soon to be important people

[polar bison]

yeah ace was the child of incest

[zinc iris]

it's part of the family name, but we don't really know if all of them date back to a single ancestor

[dusky acorn]

They certainly can't be all bioloigcally related since Saul's family had D. and he's a giant, contrasted with all these humans who have it

But it's definitely a genetic thing that you do pass down

[zinc iris]

instead of being a wider group with that moniker that had their respective descendants

[polar bison]

that’s why he was a little dumb and had freckles, and a genetic condition where he was predisposed to holes in his chest

[tidal musk]

So was it like 800 years ago a bunch of different family lines took up the name of d

[zinc iris]

it's possible

[mild kite]

The audience thinks Zoro is the vice captain or at the very least, plays that role. That's why zoro being the official vice captain is one of the biggest One piece myths

[dusky acorn]

Yep, that's the presumed line of thinking we currently have, just a bunch of people around the world took up the name

[zinc iris]

only the most die hard zoro stans take that as a fact

or very naive people that do conflate power levels with crew positions

[tidal musk]

Wasnt there some lost civilization that the world government destroyed? What if the D is from there and the whole "the d will destroy the celestial dragons" is because the D are getting back at them

Because the ancestors of the celestial dragons were the people that destroyed that lost civilization

[mild kite]

I dont think one of the biggest one piece myths would be propelled only by a small minority of die hard zorostans. Ask any fan "whos the vice captain" and the character thats gonna pop in their head is zoro, even though he isnt one officially

[zinc iris]

and again, there is so much stuff the fandom at large gets so wrong ending up blindisded by even the most necessary story beat, I'm not taking the fact the majority of the fandom fell for the vice captain meme as some deep insight
after all I've seen so many people that buy at face value Yamato larping as Oden as a good thing that means she's going to join because oden did with roger and we must blindly repeat history

which, like, would be played straight only in the worst parts of Naruto

[mild kite]

Just disagree what ur saying. The audience fell for zoro=vice captain cause thats what the story was pushing

"which, like, would be played straight only in the worst parts of Naruto" lmao

[visual merlin]

There a rumor that goes around in one piece that zoro is a right hand or Vc or whatever, but it doesn't mean much

[polar bison]

jinbe is the only character on the strawhat crew that has acted in anything close to a vice captain role

[zinc iris]

jinbe himself has been a captain for decades, so definitely knows how to do that job

[ember matrix]

I don't think zoro has ever been referred to as vice captain in any names card things or by the strawhats, how outsiders perceive sh crew dynamics doesn't determine how the crew does imo.

The nice part about the strawhats has always been there not being a hierarchy.

[mild kite]

Honestly, I see Jinbe being pushed in the backlines in terms of leadership and strength as the story progresses. He's going to be the helmsman/part-time wise adviser.

[pastel summit]

brook has as well

[polar bison]

I meant on the SHs

[pastel summit]

oh right.

I mean, jinbei has done barely anything within the SH crew yet, so idk about that. I thought you were referring to his position on the sun pirates

[high condor]

I believe when people see Zoro strength- they are all wondering why he is not Captain to compare to Luffy. Other people can tell Zoro is on Captain level so it could be mean this since they all know he is Luffy’s first mate. It doesn’t mean he have to be Vide Captain or Right Hand. Depend on context in situation

Example, when they are in sea train. Zoro had a face to T-Bone- Franky’s gang told Zoro, T-Bone is really strong that no one can avoid his attack so what Zoro did to show amazing move to cut the water. So Franky’s gang shocked and he was wonder if he is on Captain level and why he is not a Captain. I’m sure someone can post the picture as I tried to remember if it right scripts

[manic relic]

Thanks!

[pure raven]

@dusk sandal

The Black Ships was the name given to Western vessels arriving in Japan in the 16th and 19th centuries. On July 8, 1853, the U.S. Navy steamed four warships into the bay at Edo and threatened to attack if Japan did not begin trade with the West. Their arrival marked the reopening of the country to political dialogue after more than two hundred years of self-imposed isolation.
If the Marines do end up going to Wano, this could be the real-life inspiration.

[polar bison]

my 3 examples would be

1. fishman island - convincing luffy that his way was the best way for both of them, and subsequently planning the whole thing

2. WCI - taking command of the crew in luffy’s stead (doing so specifically by enforcing his orders in the wake of Pedro’s death and his departure into the mirror world)

3. pretty much every single one of his interactions with other SHs in Onigashima so far has involved him requesting/ordering their assistance or otherwise taking up an overseeing/supportive role.

[pastel summit]

I mean, fishman island he wasn't part of the crew, he was convincing Luffy to go ahead with a plan that was the most beneficial for his people and country. That's like saying Ivankov was a vice captain because he guided Luffy through ID and MF. He hasn't really... done much in Onigashima? Like, he was with Robin where she is the one who said they need to help momo somehow, then he objected to allying with drake, along with zoro, which is just giving an opinion. Do you have concrete examples of him ordering assistance? WCI is fair enough, but every SH has had examples where they act in Luffy's stead.

[waxen light]

Any new revelations regarding the moon, Choc?

[pastel summit]

haven't looked into it much since

[polar bison]

• my point with FMI isn’t whether Jinbe was officially part of the crew, th it’s that he has that capability to convince Luffy of his POV. I think it speaks a lot to the specific dynamic he has with him that is imo quite vice-captain-esque

• he ordered Franky to leave the main stage to distract the number + yes requested Robin’s help (and earlier commented on how him being able to look at the battle objectively would help them win ) + helped Luffy reach the fifth floor

[pastel summit]

I mean... okay. helping his captain doesn't indicate a vice captain. any member of the crew would do the same. and he didn't request robin's help, robin made a comment that they need to help momo, and jinbei agreed.

and yeah, your point is that he convinced luffy, but other people have also convinced luffy of their point of view. Can cite the famous zoro example that people use to say Zoro is VC, which is the same thing. It's the same kind of flawed reasoning. It doesn't really indicate "vice captain"

it's a pointless convo regardless, because VC is specifically a position given, and how they're meant to act isn't something concrete anyway.

[ionic peak]

so all of the ppl who vanished bcoz of the sunlight all restored when gekkou moria defeated? even when all of their bodies alr dissapeared from head to toe?

[junior cape]

No, only the ones who weren't fully dissolved

The ones who burned up completely are dead and gone, forever

I dont think Moria will join Blackbeard, he doesn't seem like the type to work under people.

As for what happened at the reverie, either Sabo died, Vivi died, or both

[polar bison]

hence why all I originally said was he’s had a few actions resembling that which i’d expect from a VC

[junior cape]

Well we know that SOMEONE died at the reverie, thanks to Morgans, plus all the groups shown after talked of either sano or vivi

[dusky acorn]

Moria basically had no choice but to join Blackbeard's crew at that point. He was completely deep into the Yonko's territory right in the middle of Beehive Island, so he couldn't really escape at that point.
It'd be in his best interest to ride the right horse anyway, and he'd be able to take solace in having Absalom's corpse at least

And yeah I agree some sort of tragic death happened, just probably not who was written in the news, which was probably Sabo going off Dadan's reaction

[waxen light]

If the moon turns out to be as important as you think, what do you think about the CDs spacesuits? Anything there?

[ancient vault]

Yeah but I just noticed the daimyo thing because of him

[ancient vault]

If zoro actually had rounded up the wano samurai

[pastel summit]

ooh. definitely could be relevant to some degree. hadn't thought of that. Like the CDs are reaching for a place that only the ancient kingdom could, and so they try and wear spacesuits to reach the moon. and also why they live on the highest place on earth.

[ancient vault]

Its not a choice unless he managed to flee somehow. Its join or get killed

[torpid mist]

If D ends up standing for Dawn I will be a bit dissapoint

[high condor]

I hope not- it have to be something better than Dawn, Dusk or Demon

[torpid mist]

I have another guess but idk.. It could be "Don", like Tom's motto

[high condor]

Monkey Don Luffy?

[waxen light]

Monkey Dee Luffy

[high condor]

Nah, we will finding out either next year or a year after that

[high condor]

Just my guessing

As Oda believe it will end in 4 years time which is 2025

[ancient vault]

I got my own theory that it will have multiple meanings

[high condor]

So yeah, we will finding out nearest as my best guess will be reveal when Robin and Law finding final Road Poneglyph like somewhere closer to Rio when Law finally found it and ask Robin to read it for him. If he does found it- his Bounty will going to be high. Since Law is now interested to know more about Will of D. So I believe it something to do with Rio where Robin will be translated it

[high condor]

Share it to us 😬

[torpid mist]

So my thought process is, we never really got a definition of what "do it with a Don" means (Mybe means something in JP?), but implied is that it means go all out and make it happen. It's just so similar to how the D clan is described, as people who cause change

[ancient vault]

Well I havent fully fleshed it out but basically its that Oda is playing around with the D. and doesnt like it to be set on one thing.
Like its not a coincidence that D. fits so many words in the context of the lore. Demon, Devil, Dawn, Dusk etc. or the :D smile
I think Oda is playing around with it and giving it several symbolic meanings as well as maybe one literal
I went over this in my rocks theory a little bit.
Its in the pinned messages but heres the link for you:
#manga-theories message

Like Dusk fits Teach, Demon seems to fit Rocks, Dawn on the other hand fits luffy, :D smile fits Joyboy/Roger because of Laugh Tale

I've seen others link D. for Democracy to Dragon and the Ancient Kingdom
Dike or Dice for the greek goddess of justice

[clever pebble]

do you guys know about 9 Moons and Devil theory ?

[ancient vault]

No

[eager raven]

nope

[lyric dust]

I do not

[clever pebble]

just vaguely,but like how there used to be 9 Moons with different races, their Moons have problem so they all come to Earth.
Some ppl love them. But a majority dont and thats when a Devil appeared and gives the current World Government power of Devil Fruits.
The Ancient Kingdom of many races lose ii that battle and Joy Boy was their king who dies too. Nefari family is the one who sells info and try to protect them. Thats why Joy Boy gave them Pluto.

[ancient vault]

Do u have a linj or sth? this just seems like headcanon
First you'd have to explain what exactly happened to the other moons because the panel you are thinking of had absolutely 0 contrxt. We dont know what the model was supposed to show

[lyric dust]

its lowkey just a fanfic

[ancient vault]

yeahyeah lets gooooooo @lyric dust

[clever pebble]

like the first paragraph doesnot give enough context ? i want to keep it simple

like i said, a theory by this Youtuber, not a fan fic.

[pastel summit]

I can buy that there were moons which inhabited other races which came down to earth, and those moons were drained of their natural resources or something. similar to the one enel went to

[lyric dust]

yessir

[pastel summit]

idk about the other stuff.

[ancient vault]

Just dont understand where the "a devil appears" even comes from

[clever pebble]

i said "vaguely" at the start

[clever pebble]

ah thats true, i watched that since last year so i dont remember

[ancient vault]

I think the best theories regarding the moon are tied to skypieas inhabitants
If the nfertari family tried to sell info why would joyboy give pluton to a traitor

[lyric dust]

what is so special about 9 moons again?

[clever pebble]

nefari works for world government as one of 19 kingdoms, nefari then sells info to the Ancient Kingdom to help them

[pastel summit]

probably the ohara model thing.

[clever pebble]

yeah exactly

[ancient vault]

its was 20 families

[clever pebble]

enough for me, i cant explain this theory good enough

[ancient vault]

[lyric dust]

lol

[silver goblet]

When will act 3 of wano end ? How will it end ?

[dusky acorn]

It's either ending at the end of this war, or at the very end of the arc. I don't see any middle-ground besides any of those two possibilities anymore

[lyric dust]

!act3

[lone hedge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/164971940648321024/812008302815739914/Untitled-12.png

[lyric dust]

is that comic sans?

[dusky acorn]

Sudden de-escalating to calmer things around the world and taking away from the midst of this current raid would pretty much be atrocious to try and do is the main thing lol. There's not much room for a breather like there was earlier in the arc where the intermissions were able to happen both at Luffy's imprisonment, and right before the raid.

[silver goblet]

Maybe someone will die(law?) and act3 will end or maybe the mink, samurai and pirate alliance gonna get defeated. I don’t know what Oda gonna do but I feel like something really bad gonna happen.

Isn’t the ending of act3 supposed to be a tragedy ?

[dusky acorn]

!tragedy https://twitter.com/sandman_AP/status/1291393349753085965

sandman (@sandman_AP)

@sakazukisbane According to this kabuki website below, typical kabuki seems to have 3 or 4 acts. Btw, a popular OP fansite called Log (https://t.co/qmzsUIHHxm) predicts that Wano may consist of 3 acts.😊
https://t.co/C33mNjZ5pW

Twitter · Aug 6, 2020, 3:19 PM

Basically no, kabuki plays don't need to have a tragedy in the third arc. In fact, the entire thing may just be 3 acts in total

One more thing, what you're speculating on is exactly the kind of thing I fear most..
If you're familiar with basic plot diagrams, basically the way any story should go is Rising Action, Climax, Falling Action, and Resolution. And I really don't know how I'd feel about having a complete multi chapter break in between the climax and falling action, it would take away from the development, instead of letting it fall and resolve more fluently.

[versed hamlet]

personally i think it should have 4 acts, with the 4th being pretty short as a resolution that includes the info from the outside world but 3 is fine i guess-- act 1+2 as rising action, act 3 as rising action, climax, and falling action, act 4 as resolution?

[lyric dust]

yeah

[ancient vault]

Yes in the 5 act kabuki play structure. Not all of kabuki play has 5 acts tho. Check the twitter link

[solar steppe]

luffy beated by kaido , arc 3 fin

[pure raven]

Now tht wb pirates r no more.... Marco has joined BB pirates and soon jozu and vista will come togather (with some other division commanders) to take on BB pirates

[solar steppe]

marco join bb pirates to take on bb pirates

[dusky acorn]

Is this a meme, or did you have some sort of typo? Either way,be more diligent with your posts in here next time so they don't look like shitposts.

[silver goblet]

Thanks for sharing

[pure raven]

@ancient vault I think the 9 moons and devil theory is a smaller part of the Arlong Park "Inherited Will" theory you said you didn't wanna read (or I'm thinking of somebody else so completely ignore this)

[ancient vault]

yes me cause im afraid its to good

[high condor]

Why would Marco joining BB after what they have done to WB? I doubt he will join them. He maybe join Luffy’s fleets to against BB after he witnessed how Luffy’s crew handling so well in battle. If he does- he might bring more former WB ally to join Luffy’s fleets as they will have one goal to victory- destroy Blackbeard and their fleets.

[zinc iris]

revenge is meaningless

they will back Luffy because luffy is worthy of their support

[weary cliff]

I'm not sure how I feel about Marco and the WB remnants throwing in with the grand fleet just yet. Maybe because it just doesnt feel real that Luffy is at the level to actually contend with emporers. However I certainly see them coming as allies whenever Luffy does make his big move, much the same way WB had plenty of allies outside of his crew

[peak ingot]

Do we get to know what SAD is

[zinc iris]

it's not necessary to know in detail, but it's a chemical compound of caesar's invention that is necessary to produce SMILEs, so that he can be the only provider of the stuff

[zinc iris]

any SMILE factory needs this substance and only Caesar knows the formula so if anyone wants to make SMILEs they need to buy this stuff from him

[manic relic]

Without spoiling. Can anyone tell me the theory why some people thought the theepot could be the fake oden?

How does it work?

[pastel summit]

the teapot is a tanuki, and in japanese folklore, tanuki have the ability to shapeshift. that's literally the only reason.

[ancient vault]

Chapter was called tanuki too

[lyric dust]

yeah they thought oda was doing a pun

[amber oar]

well, Chopper does shapeshift... just not into other people

[plush pike]

Sooo, chapter up tomorrow, any new theories on who Oden could be?

[ancient vault]

Real Oden

[plush pike]

But how? (Note I'm taking you serious because it's this channel)

I guess some of y'all will have read the spoilers by now so I won't pry too much.

[pastel summit]

yeah, don't ask chapter predictions when spoilers are out

[ancient vault]

Nah I dont think Its real oden I hope its Onimaru or Devon

[pastel summit]

. it's just asking for people to post a spoiler.

[plush pike]

So we're still on the same old theories then. I guess you can only speculate so much. 😛

[pastel summit]

just let the server stay dead until tomorrow

[ancient vault]

Other theory

[manic relic]

Risky questions when spoilers are out

[ancient vault]

I found this on Baldimore. Vegapunk used to design robotic animals and this ones a dragon that looks exactly like Kaido. Do you think he took inspiration for this from Kaido?

[plush pike]

I'm going to miss this little time in space and time when nobody knew who the Oden was. The last two weeks of theorycrafting sure has been fun. I don't even care what the outcome is anymore.

[pastel summit]

depends on whether VP goes back to his hometown or not.

[plush pike]

Hmm, good question. Baldimore?

[ancient vault]

Why?

[ancient vault]

Karakuri island

[pastel summit]

we don't really know how old the stuff there is.

[ancient vault]

He was arrested by the WG and seemed like he never went back

[pastel summit]

we know VP has been working with the govt. for a while now.

like, at least 21+ yrs, right? Since he was working with Judge, they separated and VP was captured, and Judge obviously went back to Germa Kingdom, and Sanji was born.

[ancient vault]

21 because of sanji or what?

[pastel summit]

Yeah, so he's never gone back, so it's highly unlikely

that the design was inspired from kaido

[ancient vault]

Wdym? We dont know when Kaido was captured

[night jewel]

yeah was about to say, it could have been after kaido was captured, and i dont think he has been captured in the past 25 years he has been in wano so it must have been before that

[queen arrow]

when Kaido was captured Vegapunk was working for the goverment, which means it's after he left Baldimore

[ancient vault]

Cloning Kaidos fruit was his personal idea right?

[queen arrow]

no?, i'm pretty sure it was part of the Goverment wanting Dragons or smth

[pastel summit]

Well I mean, they're kinda contradictory. In order for the design to be inspired by Kaido, that'd probably be after Kaido got captured, but VP only would've seen him when he was working with the govt. If he hasn't gone back since he's worked with the govt, how would he create a design based on kaido that he would've only created AFTER he started working with the govt?

[lyric dust]

it happened sometime in the last 20 something years, after the lineage factor

[pastel summit]

Or are you suggesting VP made a design on the vague knowledge he would've had of Kaido outside of working for the govt?

[ancient vault]

That was never said

[ancient vault]

I guess he would have had to meet him before he worked for the WG. We know Queen must've some ties to judge and possibly VP

[queen arrow]

it's also never said that it was something that he personally wanted to do, just that he did it

[ancient vault]

Yeah

[pastel summit]

I'm sure it's just meant to look like a dragon, not specifically based on Kaido or anything.

it's just... dragons look the same.

[lyric dust]

he probably cloned the fruit since Kaido was already there and it was an opportunity to make an OP fruit for the navy to use

[ancient vault]

Nah we had different designs for dragons in PH

[pastel summit]

not really. they were stylized as different kinds of dragons, but they still looked the same within that style.

[pastel summit]

yes I know.

[ancient vault]

literally doesnt look the same as kaido tho

[pastel summit]

you're missing the point

[lyric dust]

Dragon #13 and the green dude look completely different, the only thing they really have in common is the wing design and the spikes on the back

[ancient vault]

but they still looked the same within that style
How?

[night jewel]

i think he is saying that (eastern) dragons look the same, not that those western dragons look like eastern ones

[pastel summit]

^

I'm saying that the eastern dragons all look incredibly similar, and the western dragons all look incredibly similar. You're taking the term "dragon" a bit too literally here and grouping them up as the same thing. You can clearly see that the "dragon" in your original post is just a snake with mechanical bits attached to it, which is more in line with an eastern dragon because they tend to have snake-like bodies, and not really any wings or anything.

[ancient vault]

Well you didnt say eastern or western so I didnt know what you mean. But seems like it doesnt add up from the time so whatever

Is that a laser?

[pastel summit]

basically I'm just saying Oda isn't going to go and design incredibly varied dragon designs. We've seen 2 different styles, and they'll all likely fall into those 2 different styles. He's not going to create an eastern-style dragon that looks vastly different to Kaido

[ancient vault]

It has the number 08 meaning its probably one of VP's first cyborg animals. Did he have the laser developed already more than 20 years back?

Then I wonder why Drake said this

[lyric dust]

what chapter is this from?

[ancient vault]

548

Scotchs a cyborg and has that number
We also know Kaidos fav island is artificially made

[manic relic]

First one to call this: Zuunesha will come to Wano

[pastel summit]

having a laser is different to having kizaru's laser. I assume he means that the pacifista lasers are comparable in destructive ability to kizaru's

as opposed to just... being a laser.

[amber oar]

not remotely close to first escanor but yeah could happen

[pure raven]

really like the idea that gear 4 / haki just fills up the air caused by gear 3rd / expansion

[ancient vault]

This laser is way bigger than Pacifista one and Queen for all we know had no inspiration by Kizaru

[manic relic]

Havent read it before but the minks and people of wano are connected with eachother. I think they will live together in Wano

[lyric dust]

the snake laser doesn't have the cross shaped thing, and also, has a way smaller explosion

[pure raven]

[manic relic]

Most people there think Zunisha cant reach Wano

[pure raven]

Can you expand on why you think Zunisha will reach Wano?

[weary cliff]

2 people said that. And just the fact that they denied it meant it had been brought up before lol

[pure raven]

(I don't feel like spamming screenshots of 47 results)

[ancient vault]

@sturdy hawk What should we name the new marine squad from yesterday?

[pure raven]

JNG - Jinzo ningen group

[ancient vault]

what does that mean

[pure raven]

android group

[ancient vault]

Cause of the big guy?

[high condor]

Huh? How you mean?

[keen portal]

whats that got to do with this channel

[pure raven]

In case Arlong Park goes down, I've made a long screenshot of the famous Inherited Will Theory by Ashura_KingFisher:

(Also removed a lot of dead space between paragraphs because it triggers me)

[runic rapids]

when does the new chapter come out

[high condor]

Tomorrow for unofficial fan translated and official on Sunday

[pure raven]

This is not the place to ask about that

[ancient vault]

good that I cant read a single thing

[quaint haven]

Wheres luffys grand fleet. How u gna go to war an not take ur army 😂

[autumn zinc]

whats up with these dudes popping with the same shanks pfp

[amber oar]

zoom in

[amber oar]

BTW, I went to a web archiver and that page is already archived in case of any event https://archive.is/pUOFk

[lyric dust]

is it a good theory?

[amber oar]

it's the theory about the destruction of the Red Line

[kindred quail]

It's one of the oldest and best regarded ones

[pure raven]

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/l2ynt1/why_luffy_wont_be_laughing_spoilers/

I'm a big fan of how they explain that the journey itself will make the difference in Luffy's interpretation of the same information that can be learned at Laugh Tale. Definitely a decent read

[zinc iris]

luffy: "I don't get it"

[pure raven]

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/9ztuat/spoilers_davy_jones_facts_and_speculation/

This theory is something else. It suggests that the D. stands for or has ties to Davy (in Davy Jones), that Davy Jones is a fishman ancestor of Hody Jones and that Davy Jones is still alive on the sea floor.

I'd like to see the return of Davy Jones' curse someday

new theory, Usopp is Sogeking

[shadow sinew]

sounds like a stretch

[lucid grail]

Dude... They even have different wanted posters... Ppl sometimes with their theories

[night jewel]

please read the channel description before shitposting here.

[pure raven]

weak. whatever then I won't "do it again"

[ancient vault]

I know this one wait I've seen another on worstgen I think

@pure raven https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/captain-rock-d-xebec-and-the-origin-of-the-davy-back-fight.897/#post-70600

[pure raven]

Words that aged poorly

[fresh gale]

Aged like fine milk

[ancient vault]

I cant get this guy out of my head. I feel like we've seen him before the timeskip too

[pure raven]

This is so unfortunate

[ancient vault]

I think I've looked it up before i gotchu homie

[pure raven]

There are some decent pictures of the flying dutchman out there

[ancient vault]

yes this one

Hellhound Rocks with the teeth

[pure raven]

This person really went full turbo mode by linking Vander Decken's ship and Rocks

This is such a great theory

[versed hamlet]

he looks like doffy without glasses

[ancient vault]

yes and the other guy is built like a pacifista aka kuma
And theyre a squad of 7 people which is like 7 shichibukai or just random coincidence?
Def think those ppl are important marines that we will see soon

[versed hamlet]

wait can i see all 7 in one panel? or can you not see them all at the same place at once

[ancient vault]

Oh u can wait, I'll just link u the message

#manga-theories message
Read from here

[pure raven]

It's the Special Shichibukai Group

[ancient vault]

Shichibukai clones

[versed hamlet]

@ancient vault wheres the 7th bruh

[ancient vault]

infront of the giant guy

[versed hamlet]

so basically you're saying that these 7 marines are supposed to be like the neo-shichibukai

ohh ok

[ancient vault]

nononoonon

[versed hamlet]

also to what matehiqu said ik its old but yes thats the kanji for justice

[ancient vault]

Well it could be but my main thing is that theyre a special group now assigned to hunt the Worst Gen
They could be like shichibukais clones. Who knows maybe even theyre the SSG but I think evidence is nto enough to say for sure. Thats just a guess with a hint

[versed hamlet]

so like how the ssg is being used to hunt shichibukai, theres another one to hunt worst gen icic

[lyric dust]

I think they're just regular marines who're extremely strong

[versed hamlet]

eh but basically the thing is that they seem to look unusually reminiscent of the past shichibukai in designs which might be important

[lyric dust]

ehhhhhhhhhhh

like i guess

[pure raven]

I doubt they would make ANOTHER branch of the marines just to capture worst gen

It doesn’t seem worth it to me. Issho said the SSG is all the marines need now to combat the emperors so why would they need a unit specifically for the worst gen

Unless it’s like you said that those guys are part of the ssg

[ancient vault]

It could be. But im not to focused on that. Just sth I wanted to point out. Aside from their unique marine designs reminding me of the shichibukai theres just the thing of them looking for Bege but kidnapping Chiffon, oneshotting gotti, leaving chiffon (lola) in the open instead of putting her on the ship, if it was a trap why didnt they capture gotti after they defeated him so easily? The fact that theyre an entire squad that reminds me of CP
Im just guessing. Whether they are SSG, theyre a new squad assigned to hunt down the WGen is secondary to me really rn since we have like nothing except for the fact that these most likely are not some ordinary marines but at least have some importance

[versed hamlet]

yeah they could be like chaton and gion who are just random rlly strong va's tbh

[pure raven]

Which are those again I can’t remember all the va names

[ancient vault]

The guy trhta chilled with garp before reverie

[versed hamlet]

those two ppl were admiral candidates before fujitora and ryokugyu were picked up

[ancient vault]

Btw apparently a fan created gion

[versed hamlet]

yea i think i heard something like that

[ancient vault]

Volume 74

[pure raven]

Why was fujitora made an admiral again? Wasn’t he just drafted randomly?

He wasn’t even part of the marines before that right?

Just seems weird cause all the admirals we’ve seen before him and green bull had been in the marines for decades before they were admirals

[ancient vault]

his strength

[pure raven]

Well obviously but you’d think lots of marines would be angry that just some random guy was given the rank of admiral out of no where

Also I’d think sakazuki wouldn’t approve of it either since he is all about absolute justice and fujitora is much more reasonable

[ancient vault]

No, that was mentioned. Both him and greenbull were drafted because they were absolute monsters

[ancient vault]

and yes they couldve been angry but I think the fact that greenbull was a random might play into his character and it might end up for the better. Just intuition

[versed hamlet]

well actually we dont know if greenbull came from the draft, only fujitora

doffy just talks about issho here and not greenbull the same way

[high condor]

Thats very good theories! I love how this guy put in thought of laughing theory - it is so Luffy whenever he see - he won't laugh as he want to destroy everything in his way to set them free

[queen arrow]

what's the chapter, i wouldn't use mangapanda scans to check out something like this

it doesn't confirm or deny that Ryokugyu was drafted, but it seems likely since he's putting them together after talking about the draft

[charred bough]

👀

[zealous path]

But how does she even know Oden? I don't think they've ever met.

[charred bough]

Hmm.. You are right

[zealous path]

I've been thinking about it too since reading the chapter and there's two theories that seem plausible to me

Either Kanjuro drew Oden or Oden time travelled....but even both of those theories have flaws I think

I'm pretty sure Kanjuro got KO'd at this point into the story. I don't see why Kanjuro would fake being Oden if he has an opportunity to take them all down while they're weakened. And I don't think Kanjuro would flip flop sides again after that betrayal reveal.

[ancient vault]

im to lazy to repost the anels agaian. Go read chapter 964@charred bough

[zealous path]

As for time travel theory, I don't see why Oda would reintroduce Oden back into the story like that when Momo is being set up to be the Shogun of Wano. Plus idk how Oden would've been able to travel to the future in the first place, pretty sure he got rekt by Kaido.

Idk, I'm leaning towards Kanjuro drawing as the most plausible theory, but I don't fully understand why he would use Oden's likeness when he had an ample opportunity to slay them anyway.

[charred bough]

Bruh

[pure raven]

He was devon all along

[drifting cape]

What If Rocks is the past user of the Gomu Gomu no mi?

[waxen light]

You know, that Sukiyaki being alive theory hittin' kinda different.

[tender drift]

woah

[fresh gale]

Not this again... Please 🙂

[hidden tinsel]

Do yall think Oden's swollen form ties into Luffy's g4 form?

The pirates called him a spirit from the sea

Hyogoro also points out that hes seen Luffy's form somewhere too

maybe im trippin and reaching

[queen arrow]

you seem to be tripping hard yes

[waxen light]

Luffy's Gear 4th form is supposed to be based on the Japanese Myo-o statues. Since Wano is basically Japan, it would reason that they also have these and Hyo sees a resemblance between Luffy and their guardian entities.

[dusky acorn]

Eustass "Captain" Kid's Heritage THEORY

Content:

Introduction
[Kid]

1. Mentality
2. Birthing Scum
3. Comparing Demographics
4. Rejecting the Cycle
   [Killer]
5. Slavery
6. Pawn
7. Hobbies
8. Scar

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9. Supernova Dialogues
   [Further Evidence]
10. Victoria Punk
11. Hideout
12. Punk Rotten
13. Fashion
14. Surname
15. Haki
16. South Blue
17. Parallel
18. Plans
    FAQ
    Conclusion
    TLDR

INTRODUCTION

 Among the notorious Worst Generation who have etched their marks in the series, Eustass Kid interestingly remains as one of the few who still has a very unexplored background. Although this may seem due to there not having been anything of note, when taking a deeper look into the intricacies revolving Kid's introduction, designs, character, and real life pirate inspiration among other things, there opens a very plausible conclusion in which he is in fact someone who originally *comes from an esteemed, special lineage*.

 The kind of lineage in question is a completely original hypothesis in regards to Kid, in which he may have come from a line of *nobility in the South Blue*. Above all, what will be presented with this theory is that there is more than enough room to believe Kid's background had much more to it than having been a completely random orphan.

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(1) Mentality

 To begin approaching the possibility of Kid having come from a *royal heritage in the South*, one of the most important things to look into is his rebellious mindset, as it gives an indication towards his early roots. As stated in Kid's official vivre card data, feeling spiteful in regards to people who rule over the world was part of the reason he chose to be so violent upon becoming a pirate in the first place. This means it wasn't something suddenly learned at Sabaody, and instead had *already been predisposed* onto him from elsewhere. https://imgur.com/a/o45FNpN

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If the specific mentality had existed since Kid was at least age 19, already tearing things up as a presumably violent pirate in the South, then it means his mindset stems from even before that age. The most likely time-frame for this to have come from would be sometime during childhood, especially if it managed to warp Kid's outlook and lifestyle to such an extreme degree. https://imgur.com/a/hODaAUF

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(2) Birthing Scum

 If one were to take a look at Kid's formal introduction in Chapter 500, there lies key aspects inside his speech that can be deciphered further to give more insight towards his potential background. Most particularly, Kid's following dialogue in which he highlights familiarity with the concept of "*scum rule the world and give birth to more scum*".

 At first, those words might only come off as having a figurative meaning and nothing else, but it's important to note how Kid was looking at an actual *family of nobles*, who he could plainly see were still birthing more of their own trash, no different from each other.

 Thus, a very simple extrapolation that also fits the context of this speech is going by the literal meaning, Kid saying how scum ruling the world keep *literally* giving birth to more scummy people in power.

 If the quote can be taken this way as well, then why would Kid's knowledge about such a concept in regards to these kind of people have been highlighted? 

 Well, a possible scenario in which this literal meaning behind the quote would befit very well for is if it stems from Kid actually having had a *birthright relation of his own to people in authority.* Having a past heritage such as this would effectively add very strong basis behind Kid's claim here, as it would mean it's projected from first-hand experience. https://imgur.com/a/k5sgZI4

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(3) Comparing Demographics

 As stated during the above scene, Kid was actively comparing the two demographics of humane villains and people in power during his speech. Notably, he already appeared well acquainted in how the other side operates with their simple, "pure hearts", and finds the personalities of his own as pirates to be much better compared to them.

 If Kid knows exactly how to weigh the quality of both demographics, then this aligns very well for is if Kid had actually been in the shoes to experience the lives of both sides himself. It would back up his knowledge behind these descriptive claims to the utmost extent.

 This would mean the way Kid saw fit to reform from that past life was by becoming that exact lesser of two evils of his comparison. Being a villain also lends opportunity to reshaping the world with the ripple that comes with uncovering One Piece.

(4) Rejecting the Cycle

 This scenario is even further backed when looking later at the auction. During this scene, it's shown how Kid could not even bear to stay in the same room as the nobles, taking primary initiative to leave once Charloss greedily bought the mermaid slave over everyone else.

 Seeing as this shows how the precedent of Kid choosing to distance himself from people in power is already there, it means this type of action by Kid would simply need to be extrapolated onto his past as well, with the former family of scum he despised instead. It's entirely in character for him, and history would have simply been repeating itself here in a sense. https://imgur.com/a/V5aiOmU

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A question that's raised however, is what would have been the original reason for Kid being able to wake up in self-awareness of the scummy cycle he was part of, and shifting his perspective to see people on the side of the world he first grew up in as so garbage and inhumane?

(5) Slavery

 Well, if one were to take a look back at the auction, the negative aspects that Kid highlighted were the existence of slaves and human shops. Even when Charloss first enters the scene, Kid was shown as the one who was very intently thinking and looking towards the subsequent Celestial Dragon who walked in with his exhausted slave.

 If the utilisation of slaves is a primary reason as to why Kid considers nobles to be so inhumane now, then something in regards to slavery having even been an original catalyst for how Kid came to expand his horizon fits very well.

 If Kid had been royalty very early on, then slaves would have naturally been a group of people that would have played a part in his life. This goes along with his highlighted investment in them. However, what kind of characters could fill this position? How would the act of slavery tie into Kid seeing that as inhumane and rejecting his heritage?

 Enter Killer. This is a character who is confirmed to have somehow met Kid during youth, and the two ended up becoming best of friends. If Killer was made to be one of his slaves, and Kid grew to like him on a personal level during his time as one, then seeing hs friend forced to succumb to that life would serve as a great catalyst for Kid to change his outlook on the world and reject his mighty heritage. https://imgur.com/a/1HYv0nv

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(6) Pawn

 As for Killer, him having a possible backstory such as this would be fitting as during Wano, he was heavily mistreated by Orochi as one of his pawns. This kind of forced obedience could be made into a recurring thing Killer has actually faced throughout life, if he's to be a former slave during his shared backstory with Kid.

 This can explain why Killer was willing to be so loyal for Orochi no matter what it came down to, even to an unnecessary extreme. One clear example of this is when Killer was getting mad at Hiyori for not referring to Orochi by his "Shogun" title, even though Orochi wasn't even anywhere near them. 

 If Killer is so willing to abide himself to this obedient behaviour to such a massive degree, it could very well stem from having such a past. https://imgur.com/a/IfwbB7z

 Not to mention, this fits very well with Killer's lack of family name out of all Worst Generation members, and how that makes him someone who was presumably an orphan from the start, unlike Kid.

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(7) Hobbies

 Another thing Killer stands out from all his peers in is the nature of his hobbies. Each and every hobby are *all* ones that lend towards giving services to others. If Killer had been a slave, then it fits with why he'd have picked up such selfless hobbies like cooking and playing music, and gives reason as to why he'd potentially be valuable as one, even as a kid. https://imgur.com/a/sSP36o1

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(8) Scar

 Killer also has a scar on his left arm, which resembles burn marks. Although this could have been obtained from his fight with the Red Hairs, another way Killer may have feasibly acquired this could be through punishment/torture. Kid seeing his friend suffer such a wound from aristocrats could serve as additional fuel for how his resentment at them came to be. https://imgur.com/a/xTqgILD

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Culminating all this together, it effectively gives substantial reasoning as to why Kid and Killer were made to be childhood friends, how they met each other, and serves as a great catalyst as to why Kid would even reject his people and come to see that side of the world as so horrible.

 Seeing as such characters were chosen for the exact circumstances behind Kid's proper introduction out of any other people in the story, it ends up being pretty telling for his potential roots. 

 Hating the top dogs of the world has always been one of Kid's biggest character traits. Thus, if anything would ever be given a proper reason and story behind Kid's character, *this mentality of his would definitely be it*, considering how defining it is for him.

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(9) Supernova with Personal Projection

 If Kid's own introduction is meant to have hidden meaning hitting closer to home about his deeper character, then it would be nothing new for the Supernova to showcase with their dialogue.

Drake/Apoo

 This includes examples such as Drake showing investment in how the navy would change after Marineford, who later reveals it's something he said while factoring his own hidden inclusion in the navy system, and Apoo projecting his mindset of pirate betrayal onto Law, who later shows it's a tendency he's well catered to himself with Kid's alliance.

Law

 Perhaps the most significant of all currently known examples however was when Law stated "*It seems D. will always attract a storm*." while reminiscing about the Dark King meeting him again at Amazon Lily.

 Originally, it was thought that Law was of course only talking about Luffy as the D. member back then, but it's later known how Law is actually a D. himself. Thus, this notion was actually hitting closer to home than originally thought, as something Law projected off from his own personal world-building, similar to the other examples, and what presumably may be the same for Kid's speech.

 Upon stringing examples like these together, it stands to reason how Kid could similarly have an indicator to his own deeper roots being projected in his dialogue somewhere, that could then be deciphered further. 

 This is reasonable to assume even before the time-skip, considering Kid's plans to be an important character. As such, the infamous "scum *births* scum..." speech in reference to nobles just so happens to be a great place to look for insight on Kid's personal roots.

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FURTHER EVIDENCE

(10) Victoria Punk

 If one were to look at the architectural design Kid chooses to have for his properties, a common feature between them is that they're all built like very royal, medieval styled castles. 

 Looking at Kid's main ship the Victoria Punk, it shares this design trend for the backroom, as well as on the crow's nest, with neat stone brick, fancy windows and candles all over. 

 The fact that such a design exists is pretty telling, considering how ships are typically meant to represent things about their captains.

(11) Hideout

 As for Kid's personal hideout he had his alliance on, the exact home he chose to have on that island was also a castle, which fit the part both on the inside and out. 

 The reason this castle wasn't just an already abandoned home Kid took residence in is precisely because of the same aesthetic already existing on his ship. It's more likely Kid had the hideout designed to look like this, rather than it somehow being a massive coincidence for both the ship and castle to share the same royal castle look. https://imgur.com/a/6eQDBgS

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(12) Punk Rotten

 Additionally, when taking a look at Punk Rotten's skull, what the top part interestingly resembles besides Kid's own goggles/hair is that it's wearing a crown of sorts, especially when pairing the spikes on top with the diagonally *titled ring* on the bottom.

 If the skull was merely supposed to represent Kid's goggles and hair, then the ring is missing the two squares up front to represent the glass parts of his goggles. As for the spikes, they aren't present beneath the ring at all, if they were actually supposed to fit Kid's hair better. https://imgur.com/a/qZ1wnf8

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Having money to spare on designing nice architectures considering he's a well established pirate is one thing, but for Kid to then go out of his way to make everything look specifically as if he's a classical king is very telling, and perhaps meant to signal at his esteemed origins.

(13) Fashion

 Although many pirates like treasure, Kid seems to be especially gravitated towards expensive fashion choices. Out of all the Supernova, Kid was the one who wore the most jewellery among all of them, with expensive looking spikes on his captain coat, a gold medal on his belt, and multiple gold bracelets on both hands. 

 Although Kid disbanded some of these things after the timeskip, he still wears the lavish boots and feathered cape, which can still fit his theme of enjoying expensive fashion, as a person who formerly grew up in such esteemed origins would potentially gravitate back towards. https://imgur.com/a/J0ABDnv

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__ (14) Surname__

 To go in tandem with Kid having a good possibility to get fleshed out and learn about his family, he even has an actual last name to go along with it; Eustass. This name is taken from Kid's real life pirate inspiration, Eustace the Monk. To prove this inspiration has a general grounding on Kid's character, a couple similarities will be listed:

1. "Eustace studied and became an expert in black magic." (Which are supernatural powers used for dirty deeds).
   This fits the kind of dark, magic-like devil fruit power Kid obtained in magnetism, and what he typically used it for on his journey.

2. "Eustace took an island over as his base of operations known as Sark, after having turned pirate. "
   This fits with Kid having also went on to obtain his own island as a home base in the New World.

 Now, the most interesting aspect about Eustace that may yet to be aligned with Kid is how he was actually born into nobility, as the son of a lord during the middle ages of France. The places aristocracy lived in during the medieval time period were of course castles, which sounds really familiar to Kid's existing architectural designs, doesn't it? It's really hard to imagine these all just being huge coincidences.

 Due to Eustace being the one actually responsible for Kid's surname rather than first name, it means this inspiration may have even more weight on Kid's background than William Kidd. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eustace_the_Monk

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(15) Haki

 As confirmed by Kaido, Kid has Conqeurors Haki, which is meant to signify that the wielder has the *qualities of a king*.

 While this is very much approaching things from a meta standpoint rather than story, there exists a sound precedence for half of the current pool of Conquerors users to have special heritages of various sorts, which will be listed here:

a) - Portgas D. Ace, son of Gol D. Roger, (CoC user)
b) - Charlotte Katakuri, son of Big Mom (CoC user)
c) - Yamato, daughter of Kaido (CoC user)
d) - Monkey D. Luffy, son of Dragon, (All but confirmed CoC user, D. member)
e) - Donquixote Doflamingo, son of Homing (Royalty)
f) - Kozuki Oden, son of Sukiyaki, (Royalty)
g) - Boa Hancock, (Royalty)

 Besides the meta argument, there do exist story implications on parents with Conqeurors possibly affecting the likelihood for their offspring to have it. This was shown with Dobernam, Garp and Ivankov who all stated that Luffy having the haki was practically a given because of his father Dragon, who then presumably has it as well.

 Even if there's no genetic influence, Conqeurors still has a tendency to be put on characters who had special backgrounds especially, as plainly seen from the above data of figures. This effectively bodes well for Kid having been written with the kingly haki himself, and serves as another potential hint at his extraordinary roots. https://imgur.com/a/zTPa7xT

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(16) South Blue

 As now known, there's already a sound precedent for nobility to be explored as one of the main highlights about South Blue, to go along with Bonney and Kuma who will be representing Sorbet Kingdom.

 If those two characters are already set up to partake in a flashback of their time as high-class figures in the South, then it would stand to reason for Kid to seize his own opportunity to tie in there while that very rare South Blue showcase is happening. This would be made even easier if he had come from his own noble family.

 It's not that Kid would have to literally be straight from Sorbet Kingdom along with them, but if there's going to be flashes to other people in the South connected to Bonney and Kuma, then putting Kid into their story by having been from his own royalty factored in relation to theirs would create some great mileage out of the flashback. 

 This kind of technique to incorporate multiple Supernova in one flashback would be akin to how Law's backstory tied Drake in as a related North Blue Worst Generation member, who also had a connection to Doffy. 

 And interestingly enough, out of all eleven Supernova who appeared on Volume 51's cover, Oda decided to solely put Kid and Bonney on the spine together. https://imgur.com/a/tryJpp1

_ _
(17) Parallel

 Kid happens to always parallel Luffy and Law and accompany them amidst a trio whenever they're together. Apart from Kid though, both of the other captains in the trio have already been revealed to be carrying along special heritage themselves, and therefore didn't start out as nobodies.

 Not only are they both already D. clan members, but the former has the blood of Dragon and Garp running through him, while the latter boasted the best doctor in all of Flevance, according to Law.

 It would only make sense for Kid with his comparable relevance to follow suit by giving him something else to represent alongside them as his own heritage is fleshed out in a unique way, through a flashback like both of them had.

_ _
(18) Plans

 While not overtly specific to Kid's esteemed lineage of all things, Oda has went on record stating how Kid was the one who began on a higher plateau of potential importance compared to the other eight Supernova. Of which, if these important plans still exist, then they don't seem to have been brought into complete fruition just yet.

 However, the story has now gotten to the point where all Supernova in general have gotten more highlight scenes than imagined, such as Bege, Drake, Bonney and Law who all had their backgrounds explored. It makes sense that Kid's background would be revealed as well with his own inevitable backstory, given his character's even more important original plans.

_ _
ADDRESSING QUESTIONS

_ _
First Rebuttal

But doesn't this completely contradict the snippet of Kid being poor sometime during his childhood?

 It's understandable how the entire theory seems ironic to Kid's minor showcase as a child, but it has been shown time and again how these SBS children drawings don't tell the whole story of someone's past. Drake's childhood shot didn't show his time as a Barrels Pirate, Law's drawing didn't give any insight to his time in poverty, as well as Doflamingo formerly being a Celestial Dragon.

 As for Bonney and Kuma, they were also shown to be very poor as children (much like Kid), and yet still ended up being a part of a noble lineage somehow, as shown at Reveroe. As stated earlier, they also both happen to be fellow representatives of the South Blue, so perhaps this could be a common trend going on down there that Kid will tie into. https://imgur.com/a/k3wDox5

_ _

Second Rebuttal

But we already have Kid's flashback in an SBS! Doesn't that mean it's less likely to learn about his backstory now?

 This kind of belief is definitely in fact the contrary. Setting up Kid and Killer knowing each other during youth wouldn't even be something that matters to go out and tell the audience, if it doesn't actually plan to be expanded upon. Things such as how they met, the reason they got close, the exact reason for Killer getting trauma behind his laugh, what made them want to became pirates together, etc.

 It's only natural the vague groundwork would be set up like this beforehand so that once it's expanded further, details like these won't have to come as an unnecessary shock that they did knew each other as kids, once seen in-story. Basically, that one SBS is Oda's way of carefully trickling out small details he knows he can safely hand out now, as seeds planted for the future.

 Furthermore, Oda keeps going out of his way to continuously pick and choose questions about Kid's backstory, as he even did in Volume 98 by actually giving Shiruton's design. This only speaks for itself, as Oda clearly keeps picking these questions about Kid's backstory and deems it important to keep articulating further on.

_ _
CONCLUSION

 With all that being said, it's very feasible for Kid to have some special sort of background once his inevitable flashback comes into fruition later on in the story. Compared to a currently more well known Captain John theory for Kid's heritage, a line of mighty royals who Kid came to see as scum and rejected seems preferable with more evidence to go along with it. The only caveat is the current lack of specific existing figures to serve as his family.

 At the end of the day, as long there's enough room to doubt Kid was someone who began at a complete zero to his name, then whatever significant past he could be carrying on his shoulders would be amazing to learn about.

_ _
TLDR

1. Kid's mindset towards people in power was already predisposed onto him from his past somewhere, and the reason he became a violent pirate.

2. Kid depicting knowledge in the concept of people ruling the world giving birth to more scum may have been projected from Kid's past, of having literally been born from his own scummy royalty in power.

• Kid sparking this kind of projection fits the context of his speech. He was literally looking at a family of nobles, who he could see were still birthing more of their own trash.

3. Kid compared the two demographics of humane villains and "pure hearted" people in power in his speech. This fits even more if he had actually experienced the lives of both sides first-hand, to back up the claim.

4. Kid rejected his mighty family to become the lesser of two evils from his comparison. Kid has already been shown taking primary initiative to distance himself from nobles with Charloss. It's in character for him.

_ _
5) Kid has shown investment in the act of slavery being inhumane, and a main reason as to why nobles are so horrible.

6. If slavery played a part in Kid's royal heritage, then Killer fits very well as a character to have been made one, as they met each other during youth. This gives a reason as to how Kid woke up, rejected his heritage and came to scorn that side of the world.

Reasons for Killer to have originally been a slave:

7. Lack of surname, was likely always an orphan.

8. Has already been put into the position of a pawn for Orochi, in which he showcased unnecessary, extreme amounts of obedience. Abiding to this kind of behaviour to such a degree could stem from having such a past.

9. All of Killer's hobbies are selfless ones that could be seen useful as a slave, playing music and cooking.

10. Has a burn scar on his left arm that could have been from punishment/torture.

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11. Other Supernova before the time-skip also showcased similar dialogue that were projecting off aspects about their personal characters. Some examples include: Law/Will of D, Drake/Navy, and Apoo/Pirate Betrayal.

_ _
Kid has many relations to royal and kingly aspects:

12. Castle designs on his ship.

13. Castle design for his hideout.

14. Crown on the skull of Punk Rotten.

15. Fashion Choices:

• Gold bracelets. (Pre-TS)
• Gold medal on belt, spikes on coat. (Pre-TS)
• Lavish boots. (Pre/Post-TS)
• Purely feathered cape. (Post-TS)

16. The inspired real life pirate for Kid's "Eustass" family name was also born into nobility. Kid already shares other similarities with Eustace the Monk.

• Both have supernatural powers they are skilled in. Kid even has one that's akin to 'black magic'.
• Both took islands as their homebases.

17. Conquerors Haki.

• Precedent exists for users of this haki to come from other Conqeuror users, royalty, or some other kind of special heritage.

_ _
18) Precedent exists for nobility in the South Blue to be explored with Bonney and Kuma. Kid being included during that rare South Blue showcase would be made very easy if he were also royalty.

• Out of all 11 characters on the cover of Volume 51, Kid and Bonney happened to accompany each other on the spine.

19. Kid is frequently paralleled with Law and Luffy. Both of these other captains in the trio were revealed to be carrying special heritages.

20. Kid began on a higher plateau of potential compared to the other 8 Supernova, according to Oda.

• It fits that Kid's background would be revealed as well with his own backstory, given his character's even more important original plans.

21. Bonney and Kuma are existing contradictions to the shallow belief of characters who look poor as children were always like that.

• Both also happen to be fellow representatives of the South Blue. Could be a common trend going on down there that Kid will be a part of.

22. Kid is someone whom Oda has shown on multiple occasions he cares to keep specifically adding towards his backstory for, through SBSes.

[pure raven]

That is a gargantuan effort.

[tender drift]

wait ace has conq haki?

[dusky acorn]

Yeah lilahk, I'll say did take a few days
And yeah Ace does! He used it once in the ASL flashback

[queen arrow]

have you checked Kid's vivre card while making this?

[tender drift]

dam bruh ace so badass

[dusky acorn]

I'll admit I didn't directly look at it, but I can still vividly remember it from memory. It goes along the lines of "He rules his crew with evil charisma as an act of rebellion to the scum who rule the world."

Was that right?

[lyric dust]

Wow i've been convinced

[dusky acorn]

Ah gotcha, so the two were seperated points. Still though, the fact that that's the main personality trait of his out of all things to be reiterated through his databook is pretty convincing. I'm even more certain we're going to learn exactly why

[tender drift]

wait where are the vivre cards from

[dark palm]

oh god, lemme read this

[queen arrow]

they're an special databook thing

@dusky acorn can you give me an TL;DR

that's a long TL;DR in the making

[obtuse gazelle]

Can you guys pin this Kidd theory to later read it ?

[fallow jacinth]

ok im sure this is stupid but i think its the blackbeard pirates
because i believe they have a female on their crew that can transform into any body like bon clay and the reason i say this is because at the end of the manga you see oden doing the same pose as she does and it backs up my theory even more but we will see it soon

[rustic willow]

You mean the nine tail fox

[dark palm]

would you say this was devon too?

[fallow jacinth]

yes i would say that four million times

[rustic willow]

Yeah I don’t think the bb pirates are in wano

[fallow jacinth]

you never know maybe blackbeard is trying to get his last legendary fruit?

[rustic willow]

So you think he can only get 3?

[fallow jacinth]

yes

i use his pirate flag as backup

[rustic willow]

Btw that panel is before odens death

[fallow jacinth]

ye ik but i still hold on my theory

i cant send pics so i cant back it up lol

[rustic willow]

I mean we will see in a couple weeks I guess

[queen arrow]

what's Devon doing meeting Toki?

[rustic willow]

[fallow jacinth]

well didnt mean it that way mb

[queen arrow]

you can't say "it's Devon because of the pose" considering it's a pose that Oden already has done before

[fallow jacinth]

i still hold my theory

[rustic willow]

Well it’s wrong but it’s okay

[fallow jacinth]

is it proven?

[lyric dust]

are you being serious?

[hidden tinsel]

Damn, good ass theories yo

[fallow jacinth]

read above please i got proven wrong 😦

[rustic willow]

Your theory is he put his hands to his waist therefore he is a nine tail fox

[fallow jacinth]

LOL WHAT??

i wish it was oden i miss him :/

[rustic willow]

It probably is

[fallow jacinth]

that would be so cool! but how would he have survived all of that?

[rustic willow]

He is oden

[fallow jacinth]

oden isnt oden if it wasent boiled!

[rustic willow]

Exactly took the words from my mouth

[fallow jacinth]

lol

[grizzled fog]

Excellent write-up shim, I definitely agree that he’s got some kind of special heritage now

[dusky acorn]

Um, did you have some sort of mistype there?

[grizzled fog]

Auto correct is weird lol

[dusky acorn]

Like, granted how we know how villainous Kid already is, I feel like whatever noble line of family he could have been from, they would have had to do some REALLY bad things for even him of all people to want to abandon from them and give him the mindset of how wrong people like them make the world they stand on top is, if that's what happened

[grizzled fog]

I’m a bit more partial towards captain John myself, and it has a fair amount of backing to it at this point

Can’t wait for that kid flashback

[fallow jacinth]

that akainu flashback gonna hit different

[ancient vault]

@dusky acorn THATS A LOT @ me next time

[dusky acorn]

Oh that's no problem. I'll try and remember to next time, just didn't know who exactly wanted to be pinged this time around, but seems I've gotten good reception so thanks 🙂

[grizzled fog]

You could pin this one as well

[ancient vault]

already is

[grizzled fog]

Oh nice

[ancient vault]

let me get on my phone actually. This is gonna be like a good night story

[fresh gale]

Any theories on what BB was after?

[grizzled fog]

Heading to Alabasta to retrieve Pluton is a common one

Also WCI for Pudding/road poneglyph

[fresh gale]

Yeah that makes sense, since those would be vulnerable places to raid

[sacred hawk]

Here's a theory. What if the last road poneglyph is on Sphinx island?

Firstly, Luffy never got the chance to visit Ace's grave, so that should be done sometime before the story ends. Meaning, it's possible that they'll stop by there

[fresh gale]

It could be a smaller arc, like Zou for once

[sacred hawk]

Secondly, it's possible that Whitebeard was the one who moved the Road Poneglyph from fishman island. His flag was enough to deter small-time pirates, but the fact that the road poneglyph was there wouldn't scare off more ambitious pirates

Especially given that anyone who's seriously gunning for the road poneglyphs are probably willing to pick a fight with the whitebeard pirates anyway

Plus, given that the whitebeard pirates took over fishman island 10 years ago, it would make sense why Inu and Neko wouldn't know where it is, since it would have happened after they left the crew.

It could also be how Luffy meets Weevil

[fresh gale]

Yeah I’m really curious as to how Oda will integrate him into the main storyline

That seems like a good way, albeit the short time span we have left

But again who knows, could also be a smaller arc

[zinc iris]

and then, where did he put it

[fresh gale]

He probably meant that it’s on Sphynx island

I think

[mossy snow]

@hearty crane

[pure raven]

What if Gear 5 is Gear 4 combined with Gear 2, sure it might be hard because of the stretching/compression stuff but it probably is possible

[marble plover]

erm, cant be really... gear 4th is gear 3rd + gear 2nd plus haki...

[clever pebble]

I guess, but it's not really exciting

[lavish maple]

i think gear 5 is gonna gear 4 combined with awakened devil fruit

[high condor]

How to view the pin?

[keen portal]

!pins

[lone hedge]

PC:
Check for 📌 at the top right of your screen.

Mobile:
Click on the channel’s name at the top of your screen or swipe to the left, then search for 📌.

[ancient vault]

I knew I was gonna fall asleep midway through the theory

[mystic crown]

I think g5 is all the previous gears combined with ryou

[high condor]

Thanks

I believe Gear 5th will combo with Gear 4th and Ryou all thought, Gear 4th already combo Gear 2nd and Gear 3rd. But we might see one more final form of Gear 4th as people think it will be Tiger Man so we will see for next few month

[ancient vault]

@dusky acorn I've read it. Incredibly well written and thought out.
I personally prefer the second version rather than him being the direct child of John alone though maybe both could tie somehow together?
I like the idea of him having left his noble group but I got a question towards his motivation of becoming a pirate.
Sorry if I missed that in the theory but do you think Kidd became a pirate to rebel against the World Nobles/Celestial Dragons and wanting to take them down/kill them all? I mean by the vivre card we know he does actually rebel against the World Nobles in some way so it wouldnt be that much of a stretch to say. Did he meet the World Nobles before in his life? But then im scared this will just copy sabos past to much :/

As for the first version. Assuming Kurehs and John have a connection how could she tie into this?

[dusky acorn]

We already know though Kid went in a completely different route than Sabo as an evil styled pirate instead of a revolutionary though, so his upbringing could still be very unique from that.

[robust saffron]

[brazen lantern]

Bruhhhh it was kanjuro all along

Oh well orochi was a welcoming suprise, but it makes even less sense now if u rule out big mom and kaido Turning on each other (by splitting up) how tf they re gonna lose

[idle meadow]

A scenario: Kid got him arm amputated by shanks while trying to save his nakama.

The same way Shanks lost his arm.

[loud ibex]

Kanjuro doing the most bro 😭😭😭

[spark stratus]

told yall punk asses orochi was alive

[twilit pelican]

his face irritates me

[idle meadow]

Is the chapter out?

[brazen lantern]

Now the big question whose gonna kill orochi at the end 😂

[twilit pelican]

yes

[unkempt rock]

Zoro

[idle meadow]

Link?

[brazen lantern]

Look at announcement page

[twilit pelican]

its in annoucement

okay but then who healed them

[brazen lantern]

Yeah why would kanjuro heal them

[twilit pelican]

yeah it wouldnt be kanjuro, someone healed them and left before kanjuro gets there

[junior cape]

Holyshitholyshitholyshot I knew Orochi was fine. Guy is way too paranoid to keep his real head on around an """"ally"""" like kaido.

Now how does momo know how Luffy's doing? So far we have no indications he can use observation haki, so I'm going with his """"failed""""" devil fruit is somehow connected to Kaido's, and he can sense what Kaido can sense

[stray crest]

i wonder who take cares of orochi, and how the team splits up

[stray crest]

Apparently it was confirmed in his Vivre Card

[loud ibex]

?

This can open so many doors

And possibles dam ittt !

Yamto even describes MOMO fruit as just like her dads maybe she knows some Secrets

[junior cape]

I think the battles will spread out as follows:
Jack vs. Dog + Raizo
King vs. Marco
Queen vs. Chopper + floor soldiers + floor samurai
Sanji will, I think, go to Momo, since he's more important overall

[loud ibex]

Idk the others are already on there way to MOMO also

Is kanjuro bitch ass going to ?

[junior cape]

However with Orochi burning down the house, now theres another time limit.

[junior cape]

Kanjuro specifically says he's going to the last kozuki

[loud ibex]

He’s doing to much fuck off occhi dick

[junior cape]

However, he has accepted his fate, he's not surviving the night

[loud ibex]

That’s Fs

[junior cape]

No matter what, he's gonna bleed out soon

[ancient vault]

why raizo??

[junior cape]

Also I wonder what df Yamato has

[loud ibex]

Probably tiger

[junior cape]

My bad, I thought raizo was sticking behind. Maybe that's where sanji shows up

[loud ibex]

Yeah I’m sure now that everything is on fire and everything do u think act 3 will end soon

[twilit pelican]

When sanji was going to momo we saw him hesitating on which way he was going to go, i think Oda wouldn't put that if nothing was gonna come out of it, maybe on his way to momo gonna run into whoever was healing them and that would be maybe a cool introduction to her?

[junior cape]

Maybe

[molten path]

Orochi is yamata, so if you cut 1 head, like kaido does, another head grows up

[junior cape]

Where are people going in this chapter?
Momo + shinobi + yamato are on the run
Akazaya remnants are going to momo
Kanjuro is going to momo, hostile
Orochi is running around like a jackass lighting shit on fire, trying to kill everyone for no good reason
Everyone else of note is fighting like mad

Kaido hybrid revealed too

[river sentinel]

What is everyone's theories on who fights who?

[sand robin]

How can momo know that luffy is fine ?

[loud ibex]

Probably observation Haki , voice of all things or related to kaido fruit

[sand robin]

Momo is the key to defeat kaido ehmm

[loud ibex]

I probably agree with the cp0 talking ab his devil fruit last chapter and now this seems like MOMO is actually going to be a Key to some sort

[junior cape]

I'm guessing to fully kill orochi you either cut off his head a few more times or use haki

[loud ibex]

or you boil him 🙂

[twilit pelican]

If sanji decided to go the samurais there is a pretty good chance he end up being against jack

[junior cape]

Either way, I do think he will die """tonight"""

[junior cape]

This is likely

[loud ibex]

Bro...... I forgot the raid is literally only one night ....... mind fuck

That really fucks with ur brain when you mix one piece time with real life time

[junior cape]

Yeah, the event compression is real

[sacred ether]

momonosuke with some help will hold up onigashima with the same power that kaidou used and parallel oden holding up the scabbards

[loud ibex]

We heard this 1000009 times already

[sacred ether]

well thats an idea anyway

[half hawk]

The guys who said oden was not kanjuro and the idea was stupid looks so stupid right now

[sacred ether]

oh i didnt know

[junior cape]

No we've gone over this that oden literally killed asura

[half hawk]

You look so stupid right now

[junior cape]

Kanjuro is bastard man

[loud ibex]

LMAOOOO !

[twilit pelican]

It would be cool but momo having trouble even transforming when he wants to makes it kinda weird if he ends up lifting the entire island, but the parallel wouldve been pretty nice

[half hawk]

[loud ibex]

What were u saying bro ? 🤨

[sacred ether]

id imagine yamato would brute strength it and hed assist

like maybe keep it together whilst it crumbles

[loud ibex]

Yamato even comment how his devil fruit is just like her dads maybe she knows a thing or two

[sacred ether]

also he asked luffy for help with his df first time they met and luffy just said im not a zoan, yamato might be a zoan

[loud ibex]

She is no way she is not

[sacred ether]

luffy called kaidou a human this chapter, and yamato nearly transformed awhile ago

[loud ibex]

All of kaido crew is zoan

[sacred ether]

yeah

[ancient vault]

because he shouldve been dead. Only one that looks stupid now are the scabbards

[loud ibex]

Kinemon 💔💔💔

[ancient vault]

Hiyori healed them not Kanjuro

[sacred ether]

ur 1000s chapters into one piece u should know not to trust vague deaths

😈

[half hawk]

I don't think he even understands the manga

[ancient vault]

I should also trust Oda to not make the maincast of the arc look stupid

[junior cape]

But yamato said she doesn't have powers, even though we know she does

[ancient vault]

what who?

[junior cape]

Specifically this chapter, she says she wishes she could turn into a monster to help, but we know that she can transform from when she fought sasaki

Or that guy who got tied to a tree

[twilit pelican]

That was momo

[junior cape]

Didnt look like momo

[lofty oak]

I don't see how they're ever gonna defeat kaido or big mom without help at this point lol

[half hawk]

Lmao

[sacred ether]

i think yamato was talking about being able to turn into a dragon and translations have made if iffy

[half hawk]

I can't stop laughing at his statements

[high portal]

wow i guessed something right in OP, checking it off the OP bucket list, right above "finish One Piece"

[lofty oak]

Do you think BM will just bail when/if she gets the red poneglyph?

[twilit pelican]

He's reading One Piss

[half hawk]

He literally argued with me when he can't even understand the whole manga

[twilit pelican]

Lmao idk anymore

[junior cape]

Chapter 996, right before franky runs in, yamato starts to transform

[high portal]

still believe in TORWEIF though

[junior cape]

Looks predatory, fangs especially

Maybe cat, maybe dino, maybe different dragon

All we know is that, according to the rough translations, yamato either wishes she could turn monster or knows she can, just not the right monster

But she may be unaware of it too

[high portal]

if Oda dropped hints of Kaido's fruit during his like manga introduction, then Oda could've already dropped hints of Yamato's powers

[twilit pelican]

Kaido is a fish so yamato is caviar

[high portal]

^

[junior cape]

Yamato was wearing an oni mask on intro, maybe she ate the human-human: oni

Or ogre

[dull pumice]

She seemed like zoan tbh

[high portal]

that seems too on the nose though, idk

was Kaido's laugh a giveaway for his fruit? for Japanese its pretty obvious right?

[junior cape]

I feel like Kaido would be the kind of dad to feed their infant child a mythical zoan just for kicks

[odd lichen]

who vs who after split?
Luffy zoro vs kaidou
the rest vs big mom
??

[lofty oak]

Not sure kid wants to kill bm over kaido though

[odd lichen]

yea no one seem wants to fight big mom

[twilit pelican]

Kaido vs big mom and they just watch

[grizzled fog]

Yea either one of those teams would totally be screwed, they need all five for just one yonko

[lofty oak]

I feel like Big mom has to leave once she gets the poneglyph in order for them to even stand a chance to win

[junior cape]

Yeah nobody wants to fight BMW because they didn't come to wano to fight her. She showed up on her own

[grizzled fog]

Also not balanced teams lul

[twilit pelican]

If they wanna split other people gotta show up and help

[junior cape]

Onigashima is now closed off. No new help is coming unless it can fly. Everyone on the floor is occupied with not dying to ice oni or queen. Marco is holding off king. Robin/brook are handling spider lady. Gifters are rioting. Jimbei is fighting WW. Nami/usopp have ulti/p1 occupied. Sanji is the only free straw hat right now, and he's 4 floors down

Chopper has queen under control

So unless tama's dumplings work on full zoans, they're not getting much more help anytime soon

But yes, I think itll end up as the officers will fall, the troops will turn, and forces will trickle up

Unless orochi burns everything down first

[pure raven]

yamato will get kaidos devil fruit i feel like what she said was foreshadowing

[junior cape]

That or momo will get it since his failed copy was based on kaido

Oda can do a ton with this

[lucid grail]

Yamato already has a df, didn't we see her nearly transforming once?

[spice ether]

Hey, a question. When kaido says the "eye" thing, i couldn't stop thinking about zoro. Anyone thinks this could be a serious theory, or am I too drunk?

[dark palm]

yep

[polar raven]

next chapter law will transport luffy and kaido away for their own fight

[grizzled fog]

So luffy can die? Why on earth would law do that

[thick sky]

it was referring to luffy's determination/will reflected in his eyes

[keen portal]

The "light" in his eyes has been referenced by Katakuri in WCI and once before by Kaido himself in Wano in their previous fight.

[idle meadow]

Everyone is just waking up from their slumber, in this chapter. Lol.

[crude tiger]

I think the matchups will be
Luffy and Kid vs Kaido
BM vs Zoro Law and Killer
The Scabbards may come to support them later

[short lodge]

stop drinking!
jk. it's about their determination, but now that you mention Zoro's eye, which I've forgotten until now, I'm looking forward to soo how he got it and why.
i'm sure a Zoro flashback is coming soon 😛

[sacred ether]

i think luffy needs to fight big mam

shes here for him and because of him. i think will perhaps with someone else is gonna fight big mam whilst the others fight kaidou and then luffy eventually comes back around to fight kaidou

[crude tiger]

I wouldn't mind a Luffy BM fight but I think Oda is setting up Kaido's death and BM vs Luffy in Elbaf

[short lodge]

since it's personal between him and Mom, I'd agree. but I feel like he needs to take down the strongest of them all in order to step into Roger's shoes

[short lodge]

THIS

[sacred ether]

i dont think he needs to fit into rogers shoes

luffys adventures is just starting, i dont think he even needs to surpass big mam by the end of the series

i think one way or another big mam will stop being a threat soon, without being actually beaten or overpowered in 1v1

because if luffy did him promising katakuri hell come back to fight big mam doesnt really work

kaidou needs to go down thou

[crude tiger]

Tbh there's no way of ending the Yonko saga without the death of the Yonko. You can't throw them in jail and if you let them be after the fight they'll comeback for revenge

[sacred ether]

yeah i deffo agree kaidou needs to go down but i can imagine the series endign wtihout anyone really taking down big mam thou

like its not something that needs to happen

[short lodge]

I see a comeback of the Rocks Pirates. Shiki is still alive, Silver and Ochoku might still be alive as well. I see BM and Kaido escaping and reforming the Rocks, which will force the World Government to move against them with their Pacifista army

[peak ingot]

so do we get a chapter in onigashim and then one for the strawhats????

[polar raven]

luffy's gonna fight kaido alone while the rest take care of big mom

[short lodge]

nah. Luffy isn't on a level to take on a Kaido alone i guess

[calm jolt]

luffy x zoro vs kaido and kidd x killer x law vs Bm

[rain wolf]

yo i just read the last chapter it was really good tbh

just wondering how did momo know that exactly? is it the voice of all things?

[cyan berry]

its unclear currently but that's the most common assumption

[quiet quiver]

That seems plausible. Enma is probably gonna come in handy against kaido

[dark palm]

Kid/Killer have so little investment in Big Mon that I just have no clue

I think someone’s going to intervene

[quiet quiver]

Who do you think will intervene

[dark palm]

Jinbe hopefully, Yamato almost certainly

Another thing that could happen is them moving the battle off the roof

[quiet quiver]

If jinbei intervenes, he'll definitely be fighting against big mom

[kind gate]

Would Jinbei be strong enough
I thought he could only push bm before because of the water around him

[wild veldt]

Jinbei is strong enough

His technique can bypass basic defense and has the defense enough to block an attack from BM, be sent flying and still be good.

[kind gate]

Ah okay
So I guess who’s who isn’t that strong for jinbei to still fight the yonko after him

[wild veldt]

I mean, that's not what that means

[weak arrow]

Nah Jinbe would not be strong enough. Marco is the only one who could hold off a yonko for them but that doesn’t not seem likely at the moment.

[kind gate]

I want Sanji on the roof 😞

[weak arrow]

Well considering it’s perospero, queen, and king vs Marco and chopper. Sanji is needed there more.

[wild veldt]

Jinbei, Marco, Sanji, and others will get to the roof eventually

[kind gate]

If Xdrake and apoo decide to help chopper, it would be easier

I don’t want king and queen on the roof tho

[weak arrow]

Well drake already has but yeah Apoo could fight him currently. There’s not really anything hinting to Apoo switching sides

[kind gate]

Oh, could carrot and the other minks come back to fight perospero

[weak arrow]

Carrot and Wanda probably will eventually

But just them

[kind gate]

Hmm okay
I believe the fleet will arrive a few days after the battle is over to help rebuild and all that
I think they’ll be informed by a Morgans paper

[wild veldt]

The fleet is busy with Shanks due to Barto declaring war on him. So they won't be showing up

[pure raven]

The fleet is busy with Shanks
Isn't that just headcanon?

[kind gate]

I’m so confused

[wild veldt]

It's true headcanon tho. No yonko would just let a flag buring go

[kind gate]

So shanks made his move against luffy lmao

[wild veldt]

At the very least Barto and the fleet.

[kind gate]

I feel like both bm and Kaido have to go down here

Would just stall the story if they had to fight bm again elsewhere

[dreamy widget]

Next chapter gear 5 or awakening

[pure raven]

The wiki says this about the Jolly Roger:

... is a skull with thick lips and wearing a pirate tricorne based on their captain's appearance, on a fluffy background (which could represent Linlin's hair in some fashion) with several candy canes crossed behind it (one on the right, three stacked together on the left), in place of normal crossbones. A tree is seen coming out of the cane on the bottom right.
Maybe instead it's a representation of Prometheus, Zeus, Napoleon (in the hat) and the tree could be foreshadowing a link to Elbaf's massive tree.

[hardy smelt]

Maybe Momo vs Orochi, Shogun vs Future Shogun

Momo learns how to use his artificial fruit

[wicked grove]

Anyone else hardly notice a difference between base and hybrid Kaido?

[ancient vault]

Shanks got better things to do than hunt Barto lol BB is making his move

[weak arrow]

I don’t think shanks himself will but drum island and enies Libby showed the seriousness of flag burning

[ancient vault]

enies Libby

[wicked hearth]

[drowsy marsh]

A missed opportunity by Oda. Should have the scabbards say the Oden line. Oden isn't oden if it isn't boiled

[ancient vault]

[manic relic]

👋👋👋

Orochi is not dead

Orochi is alive

[queen arrow]

he's not a hydra though

[manic relic]

Pretty sure CP0 didnt know about Orochis DF ability

[manic relic]

Japanese version 8 heads

[queen arrow]

the Yamata no Orochi is not a hydra

it's a pretty different creature

[ancient vault]

!orochi

[lone hedge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/660200350749425688/733672852175192236/orochi.png

[sacred hawk]

I don't like the hydra theory. Because not only does it make massive assumptions about what orochi's df can do, but there's a much simpler explanation for why he's alive

[manic relic]

Thats not even the point. The point is that Orochi is still alive because of his DF. The japanese version of hydra: yamata no orochi

[sacred hawk]

Namely, Orochi was probably still paranoid about the Scabbards, so he had kanjuro make an ink clone

[queen arrow]

it's not a Japanese version of the hydra

go read about it then come back, we don't even know if the reason he's alive is because of the fruit

[manic relic]

Its a 8 multi headed dragon. Hydra is 9 multi headed dragon. Its japanese vs greek mythology

If i didnt read about yamata no orochi i wouldnt say that momo would kill orochi with ame no habakiri. The sword that killed it in mythology

[manic relic]

What reason else? Kaido literally cut Orochis head off. No normal person would have survived that unless you have a special devil fruit ability. Common sense. Dont need confirmation for that

[queen arrow]

you know Fukurokuju?

[sand sail]

How? He shows it to them

[manic relic]

You have read last word ABILITY

Its not because you know which DF someone ate that you know all the abilities?

[sand sail]

It's not really an ability if it's just his default nature, but he did show them lol

The man has 8 heads, there probably wasn't much more than just 8 heads existing that saved his life

Which would mean Orochi did literally show them that just by changing

[manic relic]

Ability nature call it what you want. But if CP0 knew it they wouldnt say that Orochi was dead.

They were just informed about the capabilities of Orochis DF

Not well informed*

[sand sail]

Unless he was brought back in some way that wasn't just he has 8 heads, but there's also a chance Orochi didn't know about it either

[white sedge]

just curious but since wano act 3 is entering the final parts what do yall think the next arc gonna cover

[manic relic]

Where ever the 4th road ponegliph will be. Some people speculate elbaf but no one knows.

[gilded wagon]

This most recent chapter really solidified my “Yamato is a Nue” theory for me, she confirmed she isn’t a dragon & the chapter also focused on Inuarashi, Luffy, and Momonosuke

I believe luffy, inuarashi and Yamato represent the monkey, dog, and pheasant from the momotaro story

[fringe tide]

Sorta disappointed in kaidos hybrid form lol so who do you thibk will fight who now, captains vs kiado and bm vs zoro/killer or luffy/zoro vs kaido and law/kid/killer vs bm

[snow herald]

why do people think they will split the fight with the 2 yonkous between the 5 of them? that makes no sense.
they clearly stated in this chapter that fighting both of them is difficult, so why in the hell would they split their force and still end up fighting 2 yonkous lol
I'm pretty sure they'll attempt to split the yonkou up and try 1v5

not do 1v3 and 1v2

[craggy pumice]

But how would the other Yonko get distracted

[serene raven]

orochi and cp0 obviously gonna interfere somehow and get kadio out of the picture temporarily which should allow them some time to deal with BM, then probably after BM is temporarily out she'll get saved by her crew and leave island leaving the SH crew and company to deal with orochi for good

[zinc iris]

luffy seems confident they still can do it against both of them

[ancient vault]

"Ayo BM ik where the road poneglyph is"

[zinc iris]

anyway splitting the battle would be pointless indeed, you need to make one of them leave altogether

[pastel summit]

yeah, Luffy is a very overconfident person though. He often gets through situations by luck. wouldn't take his assessment as an accurate estimation.

[ancient vault]

Pero would do the job for BM but hes not on the roof and not coming soon either most likely

[zinc iris]

pero will be clapped before getting there

[ancient vault]

true

Brook 1vs1 BM

[zinc iris]

also I'm wondering if you can really push big mom, I think she really hates luffy so much

[pastel summit]

I liked what red said, idk if he was memeing 'cause he added a 5head, but orochi burns down the mansion, and the road poneglyph is revealed, so BM goes for it.

[ancient vault]

[ancient vault]

Orochi be like

[craggy pumice]

[ancient vault]

Where is it tho? Im sure Law checked almost every room

[serene raven]

orochi should just gtfo wano asap, literally everyone wants to clap his cheeks idk why he's even conspiring to do anything

[night jewel]

the only logical way to split them up is by having a lot more fighters on the roof and then splitting up the team into two halves, one half takes on kaido and one half takes on big mom... anything else doesnt really make a lot of sense honestly

[zinc iris]

he's that petty that he just wants to drag everyone to hell with him

[fringe tide]

Yeah orochi is too much of a coward to face off against yonkos

[zinc iris]

but even if we say drake and hawkins join
would 1v4+1v3 really be better than 2v7?

[pastel summit]

well, if it's not in Onigashima, then it'd be in the flower capital, yeah? So maybe she sees Onigashima approaching the flower capital, and goes down to get the road poneglyph before the capital is crushed?

[ancient vault]

Or on Kaidos fav island where its hidden under the artificial landscape

[night jewel]

I think people take robin's assumption too seriously, the road poneglyph doesnt have to be on onigashima just because she said it, " hey its not in orochi's castle, so maybe kaido is hiding it in onigashima" is all she said lol

[zinc iris]

it seems like a meaningless change that keeps the odds the same

[pastel summit]

robin was also caught before she could finish fully investigating

[zinc iris]

it would be different if they can just toss big mom down the roof and then fight kaido 5v1 while she makes her way back, but both her and kaido just can fly

[fringe tide]

Also i cant see anyone else going up to the roof to help the supernovas unless the scabbards beaten and weakened can fend off king/queen and jack freeing up sanji jimbe and drake up to go upstairs

[night jewel]

well, drake, hawkins, yamato, jinbe, brook, marco, scabbards , etc would make a massive difference

[zinc iris]

i still think the roof will be the supernova club

[pastel summit]

marco for sure is not doing anything about the emperors

[fringe tide]

And im still hope the scarecrow supernova betrays kaido after his cards say kaido has an x chance of losing and witnessing luffys luck

[craggy pumice]

could do something against Big Mom

[night jewel]

yeah it will be the spot for all their graves if only 5 of them are there

[zinc iris]

yeah hawking is looking for the chance to switch sides since the beginning of the arc

[night jewel]

dont think oda would force a supernova v emperors only fight after the 5 v 2 we already got, things will change soon

[zinc iris]

but so far turning against kaido always resulted in 0% survival

[pastel summit]

Honestly, every time this topic comes up, I genuinely cannot think of anything that doesn't return back to my theory that roof collapses, BM stopped (not defeated) by the rest of the SHs, Yamato joins Kaido fight.

[zinc iris]

maybe now it says 1% so he's going to take the chance

[night jewel]

you are assuming that it will take say... 5 minutes for the novas to beat kaido lmao

[zinc iris]

"as oden!"

[zinc iris]

it would still be advantageous, instead splitting into 2v1+3v1 changes really nothing from 5v2

[night jewel]

did i say that it will be split like that?

[fringe tide]

If it was up to me id put brooks(he can cut souls) jimbe marco law vs bm, and kid killer zoro sanji luffy drake vs kaido with hawkins backing everyone up with his buff cards

[night jewel]

I dont think you can just throw big mom from the roof either

[pastel summit]

I don't see BM being defeated by people who likely don't have the offensive power to defeat her. Like, outside of the roof, who is even doing much to her? Jinbei only? Yamato sure as fuck is not fighting BM when Kaido is right there. Marco? Already said he has no intention of fighting the emperors. Basically doing the same shit Fuji did in dressrosa.

Brook can stall her homies, but not BM herself

[craggy pumice]

didnt Marco only say that about Kaido

[night jewel]

when did marco say that again? he said that he has no intention to fight kaido only

yea

[pastel summit]

Nami? Minimal dmg even after stealing zeus, and that was a 1 time attack

yeah, but you can extend it to BM. It's the same concept. He's making a bet on the new generation to defeat the old.

[night jewel]

they dont have to really beat her, they can stall her

[fringe tide]

Brooks takes out zues jimbe takes out promethiues marco/law combo takes on bm, but honestly they dont have to beat her just stall her long enough for her to bail on kaido or until kaido falls

[pastel summit]

well yeah, I still don't think he will do much there though. I don't think he's gonna play a really active role against either. Not that I think BM is getting defeated, but I think the SHs bounties will go up because they get credited with driving back BM, not necessarily beating her. and it gets a bit diminished if Marco is there helping.

I just... don't know where Sanji fits into it. He could join the Kaido fight?

[craggy pumice]

King

[night jewel]

idk, i always took this and the fact that marco can damage prometheus (possibly other homies) as setup for marco potentially taking on big mom once again

[craggy pumice]

or you are saying Marco fights King I guess

but I think the Strawhats bounties can go up when they fight Flying 6 and Allstars as well

[pastel summit]

You know how I feel about King and Queen.

[night jewel]

marco is already interfering in the new gen's thing by fighting king and queen, i dont think it makes a difference if he stalls big mom with some other fighters as well

[craggy pumice]

I think they just need everyone they can get and having Marco on Big Mom makes the most sense as of now

[night jewel]

the strawhats were competent enough to stall big mom in WCI with just like the 5 of them, i am sure they can do it again

especially with the help of other fighters

[pastel summit]

they were competent enough to stall a weakened BM, yeah.

[night jewel]

yea things are different now, but they also can have more fighters here

[pastel summit]

I'm sure they will stall her. That's my whole theory. It'll exclusively be the SHs. I've maintained this throughout the whole arc, BM is a fight that the SHs brought to Wano, it's a fight that they will deal with.

[fringe tide]

Sanji def isnt fighting bm cause of his no hitting women policy so hed have to fight kaido or the calamities but im hoping marco weakens king/queen enough that the scabbards can defeat them as a group

[pastel summit]

yeah. Scabbards could go after the calamities. If Inu is holding off Jack, I don't see why the others can't fight the other 2.

[night jewel]

chopper and drake can deal with queen, idk if the scabbards really can beat king in the state they are in, he doesnt exactly seem injured

[pastel summit]

chopper can only fight for 3 mins.

[night jewel]

thats enough for queen ;)

[pastel summit]

yeah probably. but then he's a sitting duck, so someone has to defend him.

[craggy pumice]

the pleasures and waiters will just do that

[night jewel]

I can see chopper somehow learning how to improve his forms here, idk, a powerup of sorts, it doesnt exist yet but I am sure chopper has been working on his fighting capabilities ever since, so you can expect something more from him besides what he can do now

and yea, the beast pirates that he has on his side can protect him when he is down i guess

[pastel summit]

tbh, I had completely forgot about the fact that monster point is time limited and he's fucked afterwards. I wonder what exactly chopper is gonna do after. Like, memes aside, doubt he's actually beating Queen in 3 mins, even with Drake's help. as much as I'd love to see Chopper completely dick on Queen for 3 mins straight

He could injure him enough for the scabbards to come through

[night jewel]

I cant see chopper do nothing after it, hopefully he can control monster point even better now so he can have an extended time limit, or atleast doesnt stay down after the 3 minutes

[pastel summit]

we didn't really see what happened after he did it in WCI, did we

[manic relic]

Yamato, Sanji (after he goes to scabbards/ momo), Hawkins are potential rooftop helpers. I will rank it in most chance to help rooftop:
Yamato
Hawkins
Sanji

[night jewel]

he seems fine here, just went back to check

he just used monster point here btw

[kind gate]

Hawkins cards will prolly speed heal em and another will prolly weaken Kaido for a few minutes

[pure raven]

What's the general consensus on kuina's death? I always found it hard to believe someone like her fell down some stairs

[keen portal]

she was a normal child who fell down some stairs.

[fringe tide]

What of chopper uses queens virus plus his own virus to somehow nullify his mp weakness of leaving him helpless, sorta like how hygro was able to gain his full strength from the ice oni transformation

[craggy pumice]

that would only work if Chopper was old

[fringe tide]

I mean like hed draw strength from the oni virus to be able to move again but his virus stops the oni transformation thus nullifying the mp weakness

[night jewel]

doesnt seem like he has that weakness anymore, as proven by the panel above... he is standing just fine after using monster point

[fringe tide]

Also wouldnt mind if chopper used queens virus to power his mp up, imagine choppers mp having ice claws and sharp ice fur to cut through anything with his monstrous strength

[vestal orbit]

Would fit with his origins on Drum Island and the yeti inspiration too

[idle meadow]

Luffy does crack.

[pure raven]

I wouldn't consider her normal. Wasn't she able to beat adult swordsmen even though she was a child? I couldn't picture kid ace or sabo falling down some stairs and dying

[keen portal]

perhaps. But until given reason or evidence to believe otherwise, I will personally just assume she was a kid who died, and zoro inherited her dreams. Nothing deeper to it than that with regards to Zoro.

Also if you fall down the stairs and rupture your medulla oblongata or c1/c2 fracture, you'd die instantly. So errr yeah there's ways for to die falling down stairs even for "not normal" kids

[pure raven]

I get that but I just assumed since its one piece and she seems really skilled, her sense of balance must be good enough to have her land properly. I guess it just feels weird that they addressed that tashigi looks like her and never brought it up again. It could just be a coincidence I guess ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[keen portal]

its just one of those strings Oda's put and we cant know for sure until he chooses to expand on this ye shrug

[grizzled fog]

At the end of the day, children are fragile, even one piece prodigy children. And freak accidents happen. She died falling down the stairs, nothin more to it

[keen portal]

it does seem like she's dead tho lol. 1000+chaps, no mention, no hint, no cover story, of her being alive anytime

[pure raven]

There is still a chance this comes up in wano I think. Tashigi and Smoker should be with vegapunk and orochi spoke to cp0 about bringing him to wano (they declined so idk how he'd come)

[grizzled fog]

Wouldnt make any sense for the wg to send vegapunk to wano, absolutely none. One of their most valuable assets in the territory of a yonko? 2 yonko atm

[lyric dust]

yep

[pure raven]

best emoji of all time

[keen portal]

ok but why here

[kind gate]

Crack

[quiet quiver]

Do u guys think that luffy will fight imu and if so with any help?

[odd lichen]

Ashura Doji is dying because bomb killed him like Pedro.

[keen portal]

Ashura Doji is alive because bomb didnt killed him like Pell.

[grizzled fog]

Pell didn’t get stabbed thrice

[kind gate]

!patterns

[lone hedge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/486983010025996299/728691851556552744/unknown.png

[keen portal]

not the point he was making with pedro, either

[pure raven]

ok but i can predict everything that happens in the anime

so....i know his patterns

[reef moth]

Here's my theory on 1009.

Law and Killer are gonna split Big Mom off from Kaido while Luffy Zoro and Kidd take Kaido himself. We've already seen that Ope Ope can attack the Soul directly at Punk Hazard. Law can take out Big Mom's homies while Killer uses his sonic attacks to bypass her durability. Plus Law can switch them around with Shambles and make sure Big Mom doesn't get off a direct hit.

[grizzled fog]

Either one of those groups would be totally screwed, they need all five just for one yonko

[gilded wagon]

No they don’t, they’ve been handling two of them better than anyone we’ve seen besides the admirals

[grizzled fog]

Uh handling them? They’ve hardly done any damage lmao. The yonko are slapping them around

[gilded wagon]

They’re all doing fine & they pushed Kaido into hybrid form, they aren’t getting slapped around

[weary cliff]

By handling you mean surviving lol

[night jewel]

well thats what happened in chapter 1008

luffy quite literally got slapped around...

[grizzled fog]

They absolutely are lmao, the yonko are hardly phased and all the supernovas are tiring out

[gilded wagon]

Momo also said he’s fine

[night jewel]

yea, because he is still standing and ready to fight because he still has the will to fight

[versed hamlet]

momo said that he's worn out not fine

[gilded wagon]

Ouuu good correction, my bad

I should really wait for official translations before typing in here

[weary cliff]

He was ready to fight at the end of the katakuri match, but he was anything but fine. Man just has crazy determination

[gilded wagon]

Yeah that’s a really good point

[versed hamlet]

no the raws say something very similar, momo says "daibu yowattekite...." "...nazeka genkida" which just means hes weakened but hes still determined

[pearl mesa]

Is zoro's left eye open

[viral wyvern]

no I see it's closed

[gilded wagon]

Nah it’s closed

[pearl mesa]

Damnnn

I was excited

[kind gate]

for what lmao

[clever pebble]

closed 100%
if he opens it, it needs to be more official

[pearl mesa]

Maybe we can see more clearly in other chapter

[clever pebble]

I'm all in, I don't believe 5 Supernovas can beat 2 Yonkos right now. They need a lot of buffs (plot armor, Zoro eyes, more Supernovas, Kaido's wounds from all previous attacks, ... )

[twilit pelican]

when does the official translations come out

[clever pebble]

28th, it's in #announcements

[twilit pelican]

cuz i read the rough french translation and there is some changes in meaning

it seems to be more precise than the english

[clever pebble]

do people in France love OP a lot ? I know Americans do, we have a lot of weebs here, but most of them are anime and not manga reader.

40% is weebs, 90% of them anime only

[twilit pelican]

well i dont live in france but yeah in france there is a loooot of weebs

so like here

momo said ''The physical strength of Luffy has enormously diminished but strangely, he is okay''

it doesnt say that he's worn out, and right before, when Yamato says, '' If i could turn myself into a monster like that i would, actually be useful to the others'', in french replace the ''I'' by ''YOU'', so she is telling momo if only HE could transform into a monster he would be a great help for everyone

[lunar shell]

Yep

[twilit pelican]

says ''you'' not ''i''

i guess we'll wait for official translation but i wanted to point it out

[lunar shell]

Why are you guys posting french screen ?

[twilit pelican]

i was comparing the english to the french translations

[lunar shell]

Oh

Well the best thing is to wait till the official translation are out, on sunday I think

[twilit pelican]

yeah

and in the french Law said at the end '' We need to isolate one'' instead of '' We need to split them up'' which i think, if its the correct translation removes the possibility that they are trying to do 2v1 and 3v1 but instead maybe push one of them off or something so its 5v1

[kind gate]

oh she does say you lmao

[kind gate]

would make much more sense

[twilit pelican]

yeah seems to be more accurate

[kind gate]

But I do want a split team battle
I think the law one might be up in the air
But I'm sure the yamato one is accurate

[weak arrow]

I’d say it’s pretty obvious it means they need a 5v1

[kind gate]

[weak arrow]

It’s not like it’s specifically big mom and kaidos teamwork that is wrecking them

[kind gate]

nope its zoro's lack of a second eye

[grizzled fog]

Not sure how people think splitting into weaker teams is gonna help

[junior cape]

I wonder what the bounty bump for beating 2 emperors at once will be. Definitely in the billions, of course, but how high? I think everyone who survives this conflict will get their bounty bumped by at least 1 billion. Even Chopper.

[kind gate]

no

[junior cape]

Yes

[grizzled fog]

Uhh

[kind gate]

NO

[grizzled fog]

Only ones that might reach a billion are those on the roof, and the only guaranteed ones are the captains

[kind gate]

We may never see 1billion chopper

[twilit pelican]

chopper is gonna be 1000

good upgrade for him

[mild kite]

I think Oda is done with the chopper low bounty gag.

[twilit pelican]

we gotta keep it going its only right

[hollow grotto]

Chopper's epithet will be 'racoon dog', I'm calling it now

[queen arrow]

his epithet is already "Cotton-Candy Lover"

[hollow grotto]

it'd be a nice gag if they updated it that's all :)

[kind gate]

CP0 claims that chopper was no cotton candy lover but a savage english speaking racoon dog who hates his own kind

[junior cape]

The way I see it, the government is gonna care more about the overall event than who beat who when it comes to post-wano bounties. If 2 emperors fall to this conglomerate of smaller pirates, then it's clear they are massively undervalued. When it comes to who beats who, of course the captains and vice-captain will get a larger bump, they brought down the big ones. However, every other major figure on the island is fighting someone with a high-9 to low-10 figure bounty, so they cannot be ignored either. The bounties of everyone in the raid are gonna moon like GME in January.

This event is gonna result in a massive power shift in the world, so whoever comes out on top will get a massive bounty hike

[junior cape]

That is not a guess, that is a certainty

And ok maybe not everyone gets a 10-digit bounty, but after wano anyone who didn't have one before WILL have at least a 9-digit bounty. We can attribute more accurate bounties post-wano to CP0 being there to gather info as things progress.

[bronze spoke]

What if the reason why momonosuke knows the reason why luffy is in high spirits (just like kaido commented in the end) is coz of shared senses with kaido, since his df is exactly the same one as kaido due to vegapunk performing lineage factor?

[dusky acorn]

I'd say that's a bit of a stretch. It's either voice of all things or observation haki, which Momo was confirmed to have in the vivre cards.
The voice is something Luffy has as well, so perhaps mutual users of that can distinctly sense how each other is doing.

[acoustic helm]

First is he has observation haki like aisa in skypiea.btw it's the first time we see it.
Second is zunesha like stuff
Third he able to see through koido's eye or some connection of sort.

[lunar shell]

Y I think he has the same haki as Aisa

I dont think its cuz he is a dragon like Kaido

oh wait what ? momo is confirmed to have this haki ?

[bronze spoke]

Yup that's why I added as what if 😂 since all three reason stands before it. It wasn't a coincidence when cp0 talked about lineage factor too recently and then orochi came back to life. So I wud like to keep lineage factor as one of the possibilities too for now 😂

[lunar shell]

I think its to set up a futur event

not related as to ' how momo know about Luffy '. More like ' momo will prevent Onigasha from falling ' something like that

but Shimon just said that momo had the Haki ' voice of all things ' right ?

[dusky acorn]

I was talking about how Momo has both voice and haki, since they're separate things

I think voice of all things is more likely because it's more strange for Momo to have such a specific scope when it comes to haki

[lunar shell]

humm

[dusky acorn]

Whereas with the voice, maybe Luffy being his own respective user of it allows them to sort of.. sense each other.

[lunar shell]

but its confirmed that momo has the voice of all things ?

[dusky acorn]

Yeah, that's why he was able to hear Zuniesha

[lunar shell]

you think that hearing Zuniesha is the same as ' hearing voice of everyone around ' ?

like Aisa, Ener, and Cobby

[dusky acorn]

Oh no, I wouldn't say that

[lunar shell]

alright

[acoustic helm]

Luffy bounty @ 2.8 -3.5
Zoro @ 1.5-2.5
Kidd @ 1.8 -2.8
Law @ 2- 3
Killer @ 1.2 - 2.5
Note - zoro and killer bounty will be less than their captains

[lunar shell]

after this arc ?

I wish you're right, those are some legit numbers

[acoustic helm]

Yes ,if they defeat yonkos

[serene ginkgo]

Kidd 2.5-3.2 bro

[kind gate]

kidd will be higher than zoro but how will zoro end up being higher than bb

[lunar shell]

I sense some of you may agree to the way I see thing ; Kid-Killer (maybe Law) handling and defeating BM

[dusky acorn]

Yeah, I would certainly keep Zoro and Killer out of the 2 billion range for now

[acoustic helm]

Kidd is less than luffy cuz he went silent in newspapers after dressrosa
But luffy messed with big mom and now again with both

[lunar shell]

btw Luffy was overpriced 1.5 milliard and called ' 5th yonko ' so I actually think we are putting number too high here

Teach is what , 2.3 ?

[acoustic helm]

Remember teach is partying for long time now

[acoustic helm]

Yes

[serene ginkgo]

Xdrake CPO and perhaps other WG officials in wano know that he messed with them too though

[lunar shell]

I'd say 2 milliard for Luffy, 1 milliard for zoro, 1.5 milliard for kid, ofc I prefer your numbers, but if I am to be realistic...

[acoustic helm]

There bounties will increase depending on how cp0 and drake explain the situation

[serene ginkgo]

Kidd more than/equal to Law

[acoustic helm]

Chopper going 1 billion+ lol😂 jk

[dusky acorn]

The thing about Kid is that he's starting at a slightly lower bounty than Law, so tbh I can't blame people for thinking Law would keep the edge a bit. I do hope he reclaims some of his glory and at least takes second place for bounty among the trio though

[lunar shell]

100 berry destroying a 1.3 billion lol

[acoustic helm]

Tanuki beat dinosaur 😂😂

[serene ginkgo]

hax

[kind gate]

zoro cannot be higher than bb

[lunar shell]

@dusky acorn he will, he is the direct rival of Luffy, Law is the third wheel

[dusky acorn]

I would call Law like, the less conqeurous type between them, which in the long run lends itself to him being the less notorious of the three

[kind gate]

os

[dusky acorn]

Let's not spoil #other-series rivals and character dynamics though!

[acoustic helm]

We are talking about BM and Koido combine. If they are defeated then these five guys are force to reckon with. Drake knows zoro strength

[lunar shell]

right sorry

I hope yamato wont get into this fight