manga-theories

[willow falcon]

mosa mentioned again

[night crag]

Figarland family and Bonney

The Figaro name means "Barber" based on a famous opera called "Marriage of Figaro" from 1786 which is considered one of the greatest operas ever written. Figaro meaning barber could explain how Figarland Garling has such a fancy hairstyle.

In short the opera tells the story of Figaro a head servant to a Count. The Count tries to exercise his "Droit du Seigner" - his right to bed a servant girl on her wedding night with Figaro's bride-to-be, Susanna, who is the Countess's maid. Figaro, Susanna, and the Countess conspire to embarrass the Count and expose his scheming, and in the end Figaro and Susanna are finally able to marry.

We know that Mary Geoise and the Holy Knights have French inspirations and the Figarland family in my opinion draws inspiration from this very famous opera "Marriage of Figaro". Susanna from that story could have ties to Ginny - Bonney's mother. When we first saw Ginny in God Valley we know that she had inside information about the prize devil fruit's that she leaked as she was a slave for the World nobles.

Ginny could have been a slave for the Figarland family, and I suspect that Shamrock could be Bonney's biological father which would mean that Bonney would be a Figarland by blood.

[swift cosmos]

The evidence is even stronger now

[swift cosmos]

Whoa boy, expect some weird stuff in the next chapter

[fringe hemlock]

I theorized a while ago that the Holy Knights would have 12 members to correspond to the 12 animals of the Chinese Zodiac. There being 13 members still works since the story of the zodiac includes 13 animals, with the cat being betrayed and not managing to cross the river. I can’t wait to match up each member to their animal when they all get revealed.

[empty vessel]

I understood it as 7 holy knights + 5 elders + 1 mysterious =13 contracts

[cerulean coyote]

Probably Imu since is the opposite of a Davy

[fringe hemlock]

it seems like the Gorosei are graduates from the Holy Knights, i don’t see how you would maintain a position in both groups

[last estuary]

Shii I was onto something. What a missed chance 😭

[cinder basin]

after being informed by caribou last arc about the ancient weapons in Wano and Fishman Island, Blackbeard's crew is currently raiding fishman island for Shirahoshi. That is why Shirahoshi is not going to be able to call Loki for a while, because she's being kidnapped by Blackbeard's crew.

[robust ore]

Shanks having bandages over his makes me think this was fresh after the blackbeard fight. Is it fair to say blackbeard told him about his origins? Shanks was in the middle of gathering a crew and sailing since this was after rogers execution and 2 years before meeting luffy. To me it looks like something he didnt plan and doing but more of something he didnt plan for

[fallow gust]

This isn’t related to this most recent chapter, but since we’re about to return to the current day pretty soon, I’m just gonna call it now — I think Usopp has conquerors Haki. That would explain why Sanji was so surprised by what Gaban said. I think Zoro and Sanji will get captured, and Usopp (who is still drunk probably) is gonna think that he HAS to be dreaming because everything happening is so clearly absurd it can’t be real. Convinced it’s all just a dream, he won’t feel any fear anymore and that’ll be the key to unlocking his conquerors. Calling it now 😤

[compact quartz]

How would this explain sanjis surprise?

[fallow gust]

Because, Sanji asks Gaban “hey, what about me?” As in, do I have conquerors Haki too?
If Gaban said no, Sanji would be sad or upset. If Gaban said yes, he would be happy or confident. But instead Sanji seemed shocked and surprised by what Gaban said, but we don’t know he said. Imagine he said “the long nosed one has conquerors Haki”
Sanji would be stunned
Of all people to have conquerors Haki, the person who is the most afraid of everything
But it would also make sense lowkey
Usopp joined the crew before Sanji
It’s always been Sanji and Zoro who are Luffy’s wings, but imagine it’s really supposed to be Usopp and Zoro
Lmaoo

[granite surge]

I think that would pertain the mihawk, since “dracul” means the devil im Romania, mihawk may be a son or even a clone of imu

[stray heron]

I think Nami is the one who has conquerors haki, just like Jinbe said before. Or Bonney has conqueror haki, she could be Shamrock's daughter

[charred quail]

I get it now!!! I get it!!!

https://tenor.com/view/luffy-monkey-d-luffy-mugiwara-no-luffy-haki-conquerors-haki-gif-26744050

[alpine sphinx]

i actually do like usopp having conq, because its a power used for intimidation which perfectly fits his character

also would make sense given his dad is a senior officer on a yonko crew

[iron current]

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[lone hedge]

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[stray heron]

Imu never finish off opponents like Rocks, even when Rocks entered the flower room to provoke Imu, then openly confronted him but Imu did not pursue and destroy him, even in God Valley, Imu only turned into a demon Rocks and left, letting Garp and Roger knock out Imu's demon haki, beating Rocks to the point of losing the ability to fight but not killing him, in Egghead Imu also did not appear to eliminate Luffy, Imu crossed out three targets: Luffy, Blackbeard, Shirahoshi but did not take any action, maybe he was too bored after 800 years, just waiting for someone who could defeat him

[stray heron]

I have a theory that Buggy and Shanks had many meetings after the execution of the pirate king Roger, it's true they separated after that day but they didn't go into hiding, they definitely met a few times after that, maybe their conflict was resolved or not but their conversation in Marineford was pretty normal.

We know Shanks founded the pirate crew 16-18 years ago, returned to Mariejois 15 years ago, before that there were many clashes with Mihawk but it was also a few years after the execution, of course a few years is not a short time, we can't know everything he did during that time.

The bigger problem with Buggy is much bigger because we have absolutely no information about him from when he left Logue Town to when he founded the pirate crew, and he had been in the pirate crew for at most 2 years before he met Luffy, and by the time Luffy arrived Buggy's crew was preparing to enter the Grandline.

Maybe Shanks and Buggy had worked together before, looking for someone who ate the Nika Devil Fruit, they initially chose Roger's son and Shanks to search for Ace but then Luffy accidentally ate it, Buggy intentionally stayed in Orange Town to wait and confront Luffy, he continued to challenge Luffy in Logue Town, before entering the Grandline.

I think Dragon, Buggy, Shanks even knew and worked together. Dragon had some kind of relationship with Smoker, when Smoker confronted him, he immediately recognized Dragon, he wasn't surprised, just asked why Dragon saved Luffy

[crimson kiln]

do u guys think 'mosa' the person loki speaks to on the transponder snail is shirahoshi, bcuz harald telling neptune that he would call his daughter mosa mosa, and 'mosa' saying they experienced something traumatic recently, which may have been shirahoshi almost being taken by the celestial dragons at the reverie.

also now that its confirmed rocks had blue hair do u think its possible that buggy is blackbeards little brother assuming eris was pregnant during god valley, or he might be a failed clone of rocks, and he was considered a failure due to his red nose similar to how momos dragon is considered a failure bcuz its pink. Espescially bcuz MADS was active during that period and it couldve been there very first experiment with the lineage factor stuff under direct orders from imu (as he may have wanted to replicate rocks strength and use maybe some special davy clan abilities for himself) so they failed and discarded of buggy and roger somehow found buggy on his travels.

[cinder basin]

1. I think after last chapter its kinda confirmed its shirahoshi, I mean harald even calls her mosa in the scene

2. I dont think that buggy is the biological son of rocks, at least not in the normal way. His nose would be weird in that case and buggy is white, while blackbeard is dark skinned. If they were siblings with the same parents that seems unlikely. Failed clone though, THAT is possible, but i wouldnt like it if it happened.

Personally my assumption is more along the lines of Buggy is just another Davy Clan member, since we can figure there was more of them on lulusia. Maybe he's Rocks nephew or something

[crimson kiln]

yeah facts, buggy could be like related to him in a different way (nephew like u said), and its also gonna be really interesting to see if kuma was actually able to tp both of them to lulusia. I hope he did so the possibility of other davy clan members in lulusia can be explored.

[cinder basin]

I dont think kuma did tp them to lulusia. Kuma can only teleport people to places he's personally been, and he wouldnt have known they wanted to go to lulusia anyways. Presumably they were teleported to the Sorbet Kingdom, but id say they probably made their way to Lulusia on their own after that. At least that's what I think happened, oda does go out of his way to avoid showing us Where they ended up...

We're definitely seeing more of lulusia and the Davy Clan 100% when we get the full blackbeard backstory though.. im so excited !!!

[drowsy copper]

After the recent chapter, considering Roger used the term "mosa-mosa" on the future daugther of neptune during the Oden's Flashback, can we say that it is now strongly implied that the person with which Loki was talking was Shiraoshi? Shiraoshi is the friend of Loki, and she was telling him what happened to her during the Reverie.

If you consider the Harley, we could discuss about the fact that Loki is the King of the Earth and Poseidon the Queen of the Sea, and that they might be bound to get engaged.

[merry fractal]

I think Shanks broke with Buggy after Roger's execution because Buggy is both a grabastic asshole and too weak for Shanks' role in the story. If Shanks were maintain a relationship with Buggy and do everything we already know he did (join the Holy Knights, betray the WG, desert the Holy Knights, climb to Emperor status), Buggy would have died or screwed his plans somewhere. Shanks had to cut ties for both of their sakes. If Buggy was in on the Nika stuff, his introduction to the story makes little sense. He is genuinely murderous towards Luffy in the beginning.

[soft urchin]

seems like Shanks broke with Buggy because his plan was to infiltrate the God's Knights

[dawn hemlock]

I was happy about last chapter because it promotes discussions and theories. Trying to put together shanks timeline and motive. When he entered the holy land he was already a pirate, he met his crew 4 years prior. Only 3 years after he is in foosha village were he meets luffy for the first time. Thats super interesting. That leaves you thinking about elbaphs secret fruit. Some people say it cant be the nika fruit because the hk that entered elbaph 14 years ago would have snagged it and then used the abyss gateway straight to the holy land. However, it might not be possible to use the abysss express holding a devil fruit. They couldnt transfer the giant children in elbaph via the abyss.. So the hk's delegated the nika fruit transfer to the cp's were shanks already new and interfered

[uncut delta]

When was loki defeated by shanks? I cant remember. Do you think that shanks was on a mission with who’s who and that’s when shanks blew his cover and stole the Nika fruit from the ship and fled

[upper holly]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/164971940648321024/1444578031392784554/19_45_57_RqpqY8n.webp?ex=692d37a1&is=692be621&hm=772ad3b1157a79dc927e15fed2ce8448b3422810d3b6afa2bc47f4b4d6122f72&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/164971940648321024/1444578232606261278/18_15_47_C90G51M.webp?ex=692d37d1&is=692be651&hm=09acdd4bcff4a6dcd551c805ff7f24d86b77de3ae919c9bdf9f209d5ebeec3c0&
not my theory

[wet comet]

From what I have seen the abyss mark is located on the left arm and whenever an arm of the gorosei or God knights gets cut they always regrow the right one while somehow they protect their left one. So if the left arm were to be cut with haoshoku, I think the mark bearer would lose their connection to Imu.

[swift cosmos]

Explain. How gunko was able to regenerate then?

[cinder basin]

Left arm is untouched by being exploded

Its actually a really good theory I think, because it explains how Shanks was able to lose his arm at all

[swift cosmos]

Post that on r/onepiecespoilers

[cinder basin]

Well, its the other guys theory, they should get to it if anyone

[swift cosmos]

Please show me the link to the theorist

[cinder basin]

Uhh?? Scroll up three posts in this channel?

[swift cosmos]

Mind posting this on r/onepiecespoilers?

[wet comet]

Why

[swift cosmos]

beecause this is an amazing theory

[wet comet]

Ok done

[plain tapir]

If we are kind of sure that loki and shirahoshi are friend, could be potentially say that shirahoshi could have talked about luffy to loki and how he had saved her life during the fishman island arc and stuff and there might be a chance loki might feel like having a positive view towards luffy for not only helping shirahoshi but also getting him off the seastone cuffs.

[fringe hemlock]

idk who brought up fight club in reference to my Shamrock theory yesterday, but it made me realize that the character with soap powers, Kalifa, has a twin who was in charge of Bonney, Shanks/Shamrock’s daughter, AND when Nami fought her she literally made ILLUSION CLONES OF HERSELF THAT LOOKED SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT

Kalifa was also undercover for years

[slender fulcrum]

I'm not sure someone being Kidnapped would behave like that

Furthermore, I don't know how BB could manipulate Shira into using her power since her power is basically summoning sea Kings and sea Kings will most likely try to protect her

But tbh we don't know how her power work anyway

[torn plover]

I also don't see that. BB is kinda of a coward and him and his crew going 10k feet under water and trying to kidnap someone controlling sea kings seems off

I would say him going to wano would be more likely. He can just break the walls and get his weapon which I guess he would be able to control unlike the princess

[cinder basin]

i mean, invading fishman island is Significantly easier than invading wano. HORDY JONES nearly crippled that country

[cinder basin]

"i wont be able to call you for a while. thank you for everything!" does sort of sound like something an especially timid person would say if she was being kidnapped, especially since she knows loki would be unable to do anything to help her

[torn plover]

Yeah invading is easy but all it takes is to break the air bubble to wipe him and his whole crew out. Breaking the walls of wano should be pretty easy for his gura gura

[cinder basin]

yeah but pluton is still underwater, which would also require blackbeard to use coating to reach, so he still faces that problem AND enters into conflict with luffy's entire fleet AND enters into conflict with the entire wano army (of which yamato is the only REAL issue, but comparing that to the absoloute Bums on fishman island Yamato might as well be Rocks)

Invading FMI is WAY easier

[slender fulcrum]

yeah big NOPE.

You break the walls of wano, the water leaves out, revealing pluton. That's the meaning behind " opening wano's border." Zunesha was ready to do it if Momo asked.

BB with Gura Gura would just do that with a simple move.

Water leaving the inside of wano to reach sea level = no more need to go underwater to get Pluton.

[main galleon]

I am still trying to figure out, how the Roger Pirates found out the name of shanks.
And I came to the conclusion that shanks mother is still alive. And that she and her both boys are planning the biggest revenge on Garling.

[wild vector]

Shanks intercepting Blackbeard at fishman island makes the most sense of The prophecy.

[fringe hemlock]

Just spitballing but if i’m correct in my “the real Shamrock died in 1166 and Shanks has been replacing him since,” hypothesis, it would be really cool if Mihawk was Garling’s original protégé and Shanks/Shamrock took his spot when he returned. That could have initiated their beef, and if the “Mihawk is Shakky and Rayleigh’s son” theories are correct, it would be yet another case of enemies raising eachother’s sons.

[cinder basin]

you know you're actually compleltey right that blackbeard wouldn't need to get wet to get pluton. equally, blackbeard also wouldn't really need to get wet to get shirahoshi either, seeing as his crew has a teleporter, so again it would come down to the strenght of the respective countries and which one caribou has more intel on. both of which point towards FMI being the much easier target

[slender fulcrum]

well, if you remove Wano's water , all of the habited part is stuck on the slop of Wano's mountain, while BB would just have to stroll to the center to get to Pluton

BB could even destroy the mountain and make all of Wano's fall and crumble into dust if he wanted to

[cinder basin]

they would notice, and if blackbeard did in fact stroll through to the centre without first fighting them, he would be making himself completley surrounded. You mention that he could destroy the mountain and crush wano beneath it, but you'd ignore that in order to do this he would have to be under wano, meaning that using the tremour fruit AT ALL in the battle is liable to kill not only him, but also destroy the weapon he went there to retrieve in the first place. He would have to rely solely on his often rather finnicky darkness fruit, which although powerful, is unlikely to solo all of wano's armies. it's ADDITIONALLY worth noting that retrieving pluton would be significantly easier if he had control over posieden, meanwhile retreving posieden would be no easier with power over pluton AND that as blackbeard plans to negotiate with the elders to make hachinosu a member nation of the world government, he is likely heading in the direction towards Fishman Island anyways, as it is directly below mariejois. While attacking either FMI or Wano would be enough to make war with fellow emperor Luffy, it is unlikely that Blackbeard is aware that FMI is part of Luffy's territory, and it did not go reported in the WEJ that Luffy had ever been to FMI at all, so in the mind of Blackbeard, unaware that FMI is also Straw Hat territory, he could first retrieve Posieden before then making an open declaration of war against Luffy by attacking Wano. For every single possible reason it is more advantageous to Blackbeard to first retrieve Posieden.

[stray heron]

The theory is that the mission roger assigned to shanks was to find the nika fruit in gomu form so shanks joined the holy knights to get more information so it can be explained that shanks knew who would transport the devil fruit so he came to rob it

i mean who'swho

[stray heron]

Why did Kuma dare to reveal information about the revolutionary army to Rayleigh and make sure that Rayleigh believed him, because as Buggy said, Rayleigh is Luffy's uncle, Rayleigh's sister is Dragon's wife, Luffy's mother. Dragon is associated with Buggy. In Logue Town, both Dragon and Buggy's gang wear cloaks that cover them from head to toe. This is a hidden meaning. During the 20 years Buggy disappeared, there was definitely a period of time when he worked for Dragon.

[stray heron]

Brogy losing his arm is an omen, because Brogy is the red devil, Dorry is the blue devil, the future red devil is Shanks (who also lost his left arm), the future blue devil is Buggy, the two will be together on a ship, continue to be pirates as promised before, and Luffy will punch Imu's mouth to avenge Brogy like the way he punched the eel's mouth at the beginning of the story, an ending to close the story.

[oak geode]

I think Gol D Roger was the first incarnation of Joy Boy.

[fossil arrow]

I think the one piece is the gift of your greatest wish being granted.
When Roger first meets Rayleigh he says, "I wanna turn the world upside down", which was his wish that caused the great pirate era.
Many theories say that Luffy told the strawhats (in chapter 1060), ace, sabo, and shanks that he wants to either have a party with the whole world or he wants to start a new era, which would come along with the abolishment of the red line.
This can also be backed up with the idea that Sanji wants to find the all blue, which is all the seas combined where all fish meet. How would he do this? By having the red line be abolished, hence Luffy's dream of connecting the world to have a party.
Another straw hat, brook, has the dream to meet laboon again. Laboon is outside of the grandline and separated due to the red line, which will fall and allow laboon to meet Brook again.
Franky's dream is to travel on the greatest ship in the world. The Thousand Sunny will be the ship that takes the future pirate king to the place that will abolish the Grand Line and become the most fabled ship in the world.
If the grandline gets abolished, fishman island won't be stuck under the red line and will come to the surface where they will emigrate into normal society and shirahoshi and jimbei's dreams will be realised.
Robin wants to learn all the history of the world which she can't do until she finds all the poneglyphs which are needed because (different theory) laugh tale moves around which is why you need all the poneglyphs and why shanks hasn't returned since he was a kid.

(back to normal)
Nami is going to chart the entire world allowing for everyone to be free and travel anywhere they want.
Usopp, I believe, is going to die to allow the strawhats to escape and allow luffy to make his wish, going down in history as the greatest warrior that ever lived who allowed luffy to create the new world without the red line.
Chopper's dream is impossible, LOL.
Joyboy was going to wish but Imu killed him and wished that the entire world would flood/the power to control water due to their hatred for the devil fruits.
Wano was closed off due to the flooding and somehow got the wall that now protects the country.
I think that people will start to call luffy the king of pirates due to them believing he destroyed the grandline based on sheer will power alone.

[stray heron]

I think Imu's devil fruit is a Zoan demonic form like the painting in Elbaph, Imu gives himself the power of immortality to the five elders - the strongest people selected throughout history to protect Imu, and Imu also has the right to take their lives immediately if they betrayed, although Imu is very strong but is only immortal, cannot give himself the power of immortality, and if Imu dies then the five elders, the holy knights will also follow, unrelated but if Imu Domi Reversi Buggy, he just needs to separate his body and fly away, he cannot be turned into a demon even though his feet are on the ground, and if he uses a needle like with Rocks, it's even easier, he can separate and escape.

[rough storm]

i still believe imus devil fruit is one of tthe ancient weapon called uranus. i think uranus is a devil fruit. pluton a battle ship. and poseidon a mermaid.

[pure tusk]

I made a really good theory on that you should check out about the weapon that destroyed Lulusia being Uranus and also the emerald city. https://youtu.be/KNAoKnNrvLo?si=ZUTYviYlaW2rxRuM

[pulsar saffron]

since we see shanks as a devoted blade of god, but now as a pirate, what if he still IS a devoted blade of god and is just trying to collect the 4 road ponegliffs to give to the gorosei

[rich quarry]

He had like over a decade to do that, why only start now?

[languid fractal]

I'm more of theory of current shank main objective is just to maintain the status quo between world govt, commoners, and pirates rather than overthrowing or learning about the void century. I think that status quo was broken after the introduction of seraphim and mother flame. WG has been more aggressive in going after main actors, i.e. Elbaph, Egghead, even Wano arc.

Shank knew he can't tame BB, WG, and marines to maintain status quo like in the past (without whitebeard etc). The whole world will be plunged into war. So he's searching for one piece, which should give him the power to reset the status quo.

[pulsar saffron]

Sry but wut is BB and WG?

[languid fractal]

blackbeard and world govt, just too lazy to type out sry

As for past Shank, I think his objective was to learn about the reason why world government went after Rogers aggressively. Perhaps he'll end up learning that one piece will give whoever found it the power to rule the world, which serves as modern Shank motivator to search for it, and why he'd go at length such as destroying everyone in his path to get it.

[broken seal]

Shanks, like the rest of the Roger pirates, has insider info. For a long time, it was like you said with maintaining status quo. Plus setting some key things in place, like securing the gomu gomu.

What’s changed is that Luffy has awakened. Shanks’ announcement to claim the One Piece comes directly after seeing a pic of Luffy in his Nika form. That’s how he knows the time has come to act.

He’s not interested in the status quo just for the sake of it. He was killing time. His goal is the Dawn of the world

[fringe hemlock]

while i also think that Buggy’s Rayleigh joke will come true i think that it will be via Shakky being in the Monkey family. the way she calls Luffy (monkey) has always stood out to me and if Mihawk is rlly her son, Oda literally had him and his island’s monkey wearing strawhats together and put monkeys on the cover of “Luffy vs Mihawk”

[silent plume]

so one piece is about the sun god vs the sea devil

and imu basically flooded everything and now it's up to luffy to undo the flooding

[lean shadow]

I wonder if there is a connection between imu/gorosei and eneru/priests.
It really feels like eneru was inspired by imu and gorosei.
Like spider gorosei would be the guy that was beat by chopper,bird guy obviously the guy that had that fire bird and strings,then the swordsman would be ohm,and then the ball guy is either the pig or the worm,prob worm cuz he did have snakes in attacks and his big attack was stringed bombs forming a snakelike dragon.
I do wonder if oda will ever bring eneru back.

[pulsar saffron]

anyone here think that anel will return?(prob not but maybe)

[languid fractal]

That wouldn't make sense that he's going after Luffy's supporters. I mean, if he's supporting Luffy then wouldn't it be better to let Luffy go get OP himself? If Shank is after OP, he'd be in crossfire with Luffy as only one person can claim OP. We have that climatic page from Egghead arc where all the faces of people who pursue OP was shown, from Imu to BB to Shank to Koby to Luffy. Even Koby stated that he will stop Luffy from becoming pirate king after learning the truth behind OP. So I don't see how Shank is supporting Luffy by finding the OP.

[turbid trail]

Short theory, but i believe sanji will achieve conquerors haki. I also believe jinbe may achieve it as well.

Conquerors haki is an expression of ones will. It is not something that has shown to be innately available, genetic, or scientifically implantable. Characters like luffy, zoro, and koby have demonstrated that you can gain conquerors haki later in life.

When you see koby as a deckhand to alvida, would you ever think thats a character that had a conquerors will?

So when did he gain that will? When he was on pirate island, when his mentor was overwhelmed, and all the marines who came to rescue him were about to die. He discovered his version of justice (honesty impact), or true justice, as compared to absolute justice from akainu, lazy justice from aokiji, humane justice from fujitora, etc.

So why does this imply sanji will get conquerors haki? Luffy believes being the pirate king means being the most free, and once he learns the truth about imu, the void century and the one piece, his haki will level up to unimaginable levels. His desire to be free and the challenge required for freedom will propel that growth.

Zoros dream of becoming the worlds greatest swordsman (and helping luffy achieve his dream) will also test his willpower, and therefor increase his conquerors haki.

Sanjis dream is to find the all blue. As readers, we know that the red line needs to be destroyed for that dream to happen… but sanji doesn’t. His dream doesnt require him to conquer anything, in his own mind… but once he discovers the red line (and mariejois with it) needs to be taken down in order to fulfill that dream… he will unlock it.

[broken seal]

Compare Buggy’s OP announcement where he fires up his entire crew vs Shanks casually telling Beckman. It’s doing the minimum to frame Shanks as a rival, strictly for the sake of ramping up dramatic tension.

We don’t know to what degree shanks is seriously pursuing becoming the pirate king, but we do undoubtedly know that this latest push is related to Luffy and his powers. And when it comes to Luffy, Shanks has been one of his biggest vocal supporters. We see this with Shanks interacting with Ace or Rayleigh.

Luffy is the kid he entrusted the hat to. The fact that they both wore it symbolically shows they are aligned with Joyboy’s will. It’s extremely difficult to imagine a scenario where Shanks actually tries to fully stop Luffy, like Koby claims he would try to

Attacking Bartolomeo also does nothing to actually impede Luffy. We can see it as testing the resolve of Luffy’s allies

[waxen sandal]

Yea I’ve been thinking for days on what shanks is really doing, I now think he straight played the government, stole that fruit , and let someone who has the will of D ( Luffy) eat that fruit lol

[languid fractal]

Luffy eating it was a mistake. Perhaps his initial goal was to get the fruit as far from the hand of world govt as possible.

[broken seal]

Someone was supposed to eat it. Gyaban gave it away this arc. He was already familiar with the Nika form, even though that info about the fruit was an ancient secret. The Roger pirates learned about it on LT and understood how important it was for the Dawn of the World

It’s not confirmed, but there’s a decent chance Shanks was at Dawn island to eventually give the fruit to Ace

[slender fulcrum]

He's not, because the goal of shanks isnt to get the one piece, but to prevent BB to have it

[versed echo]

I think that Imu isn’t a silhouette and is in human as a child form. this theory is very small because i just thought of it. i think imu’s black form is just him using permanent armament haki(the same haki used for making black blades) but on a higher tier where it is visible. cuz why wouldn’t the possibly strongest oat have that level of haki? i believe that anyone as strong as imu or a bit weaker (mihawk, ryuma) can use permanent armament infusion.

[waxen sandal]

Yes , Luffy himself eating it was a mistake if I recall he didn’t know what it was and what it did , he was just hungry lol , they say Shanks may have been looking for Ace( he has the will of D) . The plan for the government was to keep that fruit hidden, they didn’t want anyone to eat it not even a holy knight because it’s awaken form is an enemy of them.

[waxen sandal]

I’m starting to think homie ain’t that strong lol , why he letting luffy and Shanks run a rampage if he could just stop them?

[waxen sandal]

Yeap , the WG wasn’t planning on using anyone in their ranks eat it because it contains the form of Nika, I find it hard to believe that shanks just left the worlds most power devil fruit sitting around in the middle of the bar.

[pulsar saffron]

Yeah and if they awakened it they might turn on the WG

Also I don't think looking killed Harald i think he was framed

[pure raven]

Has anyone ever came up with the thought that luffy's hidden dream is actually buying the whole world. As absurd as it may sound, it perfectly aligns with the character of luffy, and how becoming Pirate King can help him achieve it. With the Wealth Fame Power he will gain by becoming PK.
Just a fun little theory.

[mint idol]

good theory

[regal kite]

If the shanks/shamrock twist is true then I'd lose my mind

Possible.
I think his dream is everyone to be a pirate @pure raven

[waxen sandal]

What twist have you been seeing?

[regal kite]

@waxen sandal I meant switch...that they switched places

[waxen sandal]

I honestly think Luffy wants to be a pirate for fun , it’s not to take over any land or anything , he just liked adventure

[waxen sandal]

I never seen that one? Like Shanks is now a holy knight and Shamrock is the shanks we see now?

[versed echo]

balance of the world must be maintained

[regal kite]

https://youtu.be/1J0sLdEOlE8?si=ELOIMKqzgyD8bLUJ

[steady prism]

Sharing links to other people’s theories is fine, but we ask people here to give a brief summary of the premise and some of the evidence they use. Not asking for an essay, just 2-3 sentences is enough

[fringe hemlock]

been sayin, loved this vid. to expand on it, the Uma in Ryuma means horse, Zoro’s number is 11 and he’s named after zorome, the word for repeating numbers, and on the cover of chapter 121 (11x11) we got this :

Venus has frost powers, Zoro is a Shimotsuki which means frost moon

Brook has frost powers and a skeletal form, this horse has shades and a top hat like brook. its like Oda foreshadowing Nusjuro and his form, and their tie to Zoro

[turbid trail]

Elaborating on this, I also think thats why some characters that we know have insane haki feats are also seemingly powerless at times.

Such as Garp at marineford. He had no will to stop anyone from saving ace… he only had his pride as a marine.

[regal kite]

The deep deep sea contract stops you from aging AND represses your old memories a bit. St Ethan is from wano and some of his past life still manifest because he uses a sword and wears a kimono instead of a suit like the other gorosei..he has the shodai ketetsu and knew that zunesha leaving meant wano wasn't going to open back up.. evidence of this is odens dad having a kitetsu in wano and gunko...
Gunko hasn't aged, so she may be the only non gorosei with the 3rd contract and She has repressed memories of brook

[cedar wraith]

Small theory I’ve been thinking about is Shanks is 100% evil and doing his own moves to appease IMU. Just like in real life, people who want to hide their darkest secrets, live upstanding perfect civil public lives. It’s how the saying goes “too good to be true”. Essentially this is what I think happened. He stole the Nika fruit, went to go get ACE to eat the fruit and let fate do its work but kept it at arms length (heh get it), realized that fate was not Ace but luffy. He went all in on this and even gave up his arm for it, to sell it to everyone including his own pirate crew. Has slowly been egging and giving luffy a target “give me back the hat once you become a great pirate” and cultivating him. He finally entered the end game once he saw that Nika has returned and is now going to grant Imu’s wish and end joyboy once and for all.

I have no evidence at all for this just something that seems kinda plausible

[neat magnet]

I mean the fruit was on it's way to Mary Geoise and would have landed in Imus freezer

[broken seal]

I can’t mince words, this would be terrible writing

If Shanks wanted to appease Imu, he could have sworn the oath he decided to dodge this chapter. Not go out of his way to get the fruit out of Imu’s grasp and foster the biggest threat to his reign

[amber storm]

He could’ve easily have sworn the oath but pretended to have missed it. It sounds wack but it’s plausible

[misty rain]

There is 0 reason to think he’s evil aside from it being a twist

[rich hare]

Guys sorry don't want to be disrescpectful but Evil Shanks Theorists are like flat earthers of the One Piece community

[cedar wraith]

Whoa whoa whoa lol so mean.

Screenshot of all you naysayers!

Let me guess you also don’t think crocodile is luffys mom.

[short garnet]

Ussop lowkey strongest in verse but if he shows his true power he cant lie anymore so he'd rather act weak so he can keep lying about beating people this is why his bum ass gets no upgrades

[neon hazel]

my theory :

i don’t think every major figure from the void century was actually wiped out. it feels more like some parts of that era were sealed away or hidden rather than destroyed. mariejois clearly stores things we don’t fully understand yet (like the giant straw hat), so there might be more ancient knowledge tucked away, not necessarily people in cells.

if luffy ever reaches mariejois after laugh tale, i don’t think the final “upgrade” will be about raw power or weapons. it’ll probably be about finally understanding whatever was erased:

1. the real version of joy boy’s era

2. how haki was used back then

3. why the world government hid that information in the first place

in other words, i see luffy’s growth coming from uncovering history rather than dominating anyone. joy boy didn’t get to finish his will because the truth was buried. luffy finishing it might be as simple as letting that truth come back out into the open.

in short,

not secret ancient fighters waiting to be freed, but ancient knowledge and context that world government locked away. the end of the story is probably about revealing, not overpowering.

[pallid crane]

This chapter was intriguing for a multitude of reasons. I think it’s no coincidence how Oda has shown how absolutely monstrous Pangea Castle is in comparison to those who currently inhabit it. Harald is fitting in the castle fine in this panel from what it seems in this first image. Then in the second image, we see that the size of the castle doors as well as the rest of it literally dwarfs Imu and makes them seem insanely small in comparison whenever they’re going to see the giant straw hat.

This spawns a multitude of questions to me, and this may very well be another thing that’s a victim of Oda’s inconsistencies regarding sizing. But I really do think now that Pangea Castle existed long before the Celestial Dragons, and that in and of itself could imply that perhaps Mary Geoise is the remnants or at least PART of the remnants of the ancient kingdom hidden in plain sight.

[swift plover]

Devil fruits were Imus way of scamming himself to the top

TL;DR: The reason Imu chose to raise the sea level, and why he gave the world devil fruits, were not unrelated

-# This theory is an extention of more common ideas that have already been widely discussed. These theories are mainly:
-# 1. Imu is some form of devil, not (just) a user of some demon zoan
-# 2. devil fruits are posessed by devils like how Jabra described
-# This theory assumes these to be true, but keep in mind that both theories are just possibilities.

If we are to assume that Imu is not just some user of a devil fruit, but rather an actual devil, could it be that he made devil fruits - not as a way to bolster his forces, but to ensnare his foes?

What I am suggesting is that, sometime in the past, Nerona Imu (either an actual devil or a human posessed by one (possibly a literal "sea god")) managed to strike a deal with someone, most likely the king/queen of the Ancient Kingdom. I think this deal went something along the lines of:
"Mu will make the deepest desires of every member of your nation come true, however, you and your people are forever barred from the Sea God's domain."

Upon this deal's completion, a fruit was given to every member of the kingdom, posessed by a small amount of Imus own being (the "demons of desire" Jabra mentioned) that would maintain the contract ("cursed by the sea god"). Then, after the forbidden fruit had been consumed (Adam & Eve paralell), and Mary Geoise established, it would be time to activate the trap.

What I am saying is:
The reason Imu chose to raise the sea level, and why he gave the world devil fruits, were not unrelated. the stipulation about not being permitted into the sea was included, so that, upon flooding the world, the demise of every citizen "blessed" with a fruit would be all-but guaranteed. The allied nations would then in-turn have their desires fulfilled for eternity as gods, and unwitting pawns to Imus scheme.
_ _

The motive for joining/forming the 20 nation rebellion are not certain. As a demon of desire, Imu would naturally be a very greedy and power-hungry figure (thus explaining his childish entitlement), but the trigger could still be something more human, perhaps involving Lili (Love, sorrow), Joyboy (Envy, wrath) or the ancient kingdom itself (Envy, fear). Perhaps Imu just feeds off of greed an desire itself, who knows.

Oda said every human posessed some element of the selfishness we see in celestial dragons… I think Imu saw that desire too, and used it. Both with his pawns, and with his foes

[neon hazel]

bro stop using AI, ofc it's chatgpt

[swift plover]

…It isnt? i literally wasted like an hour of time i couldve spent on exams, thinking of- and writing that instead, because the inspiration hit me and i couldnt stop thinkin bout it

and if youre just calling it AI-generated to mock it for being long, then welcome to manga-theories ig

[swift plover]

@craggy pumice if you have the time, I would like to hear your input

[golden epoch]

It absolutely doesn't read like an AI generated text would

[remote silo]

My issue with Imu being the one who created devil fruits is this: Imu is an idiot

They haven’t shown that level of competency in the story so far, and instead of creating, they seem much more interested in replicating an ancient tech.

Even if Imu didn’t create them, though, doesn’t mean they couldn’t be the source of the sea curse associated with them.

[swift plover]

Hmmm that is a fair point
then again i do think you could argue for the plan not being particularily competent either. It is kind of a "flipping the table" approach. Plus the large potential of someones desired fruit being something that would let citizens survive, like fruits that involve flight, or becoming a legendary sun god

And Id say the recent chapter definitely aids in showing Imus "careful what you wish for" scammy side

[versed hamlet]

How disrespectful to Lemony. I wager you couldnt even write something half as well written

[swift plover]

Thank you Meek 🥹

[remote silo]

Interestingly, Imu does seem to enjoy gardening, but no fruits in sight. Just flower and greenery

I agree with your take, though. Imu is like a monkey’s paw. Luffy is more like a wishing well. Both seem to make dreams come true with very different outcomes

[swift plover]

Omg that was a fire comparison icl
Imma use that if I encounter a fitting situation in the future

[remote silo]

Tyty feel free, sometimes I stumble upon good metaphors by accident

[neon hazel]

i am a straight guy, whatever i have to say i say straightly and u are wrong i wrote a theory above his

[golden epoch]

But you didn't even take a good look at the text Lemony provided, and yet called him out on supposedly using AI, with no evidence on your side whatsoever. AI wouldn't start a sentence non-capitalized, AI wouldn't use "were" in places where "is" should be used. AI wouldn't optimize for Discord markup, unless prompted explicitly. And the structure of the text is not that of a text made by AI. Would it be AI, such inconsistencies would not be expected, yet they're present, so it's unreasonable to label the text as AI generated.

[neon hazel]

sorry bro, i apologize for my misunderstanding and i appreciate u as a one piece fan spending ur valuable time on it

ok so bro,
In your view, is the sea rejecting devil fruit users because it belongs to an older god Imu dethroned, or because Imu baked rejection into the contract from the start?

[swift plover]

Thank you, and I forgive you
Personally, I'd prefer the latter, but it could go either way. I just feel the latter would be more poignant

[golden epoch]

W bro 😁👍

[swift cosmos]

I said this in another channel here but it bears repeating.

Okay what do you think of this revelation? SBS 109 is a masterclass at making the reader think of implications when a new piece of information is given.

Earlier in the SBS, we get a list of the last 4 empresses of Amazon Lily and the reveal of the empress before Boa, Tritoma. Later on in the SBS we get a confirmation of Kuma's Warp ability in that he can only send things or people to places he has been before. Knowing that in mind, it reminds people of the fact that Kuma sent Luffy to Amazon Lily. This begs the question, "When did Kuma go to Amazon Lily?"

Another thing I noted is that the question after that is one where the reader questioned if the person Gloriosa loved was in the Roger crew. We for a fact now know that she was in love with Roger.

To be honest, I do think Oda answering who the previous empress of Amazon Lily before Boa was peculiarly placed.

Wouldn't this be a good question to answer after tritoma was revealed and the current Flashback in the Manga was over in that volume's SBS?

As I was repeating earlier, I think Oda did this deliberately to make the reader question the purpose of Kuma sending Luffy to Amazon Lily and even when and why did the man ever went there.

[arctic pumice]

well we know alabasta is based on egypt, what if vivi is also based on one of the most beautiful womans of all time nefertiti of egypt
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nefertiti

she was also known for promoting monotheistism and their own system based on Solar discs , knowing that luffy is the sun god, it might be related

[fringe hemlock]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nefertem

[plain tapir]

I have a question......not really a theory, but something similar to the usual “what if an animal ate a Zoan fruit” discussions. We always hear predictions about animals eating Devil Fruits, but I’ve never seen anyone talk about what would happen if an animal ate a Devil Fruit user.

For example, in the beginning of One Piece, Luffy almost got eaten by the sea monster before Shanks saved him. If Luffy had been eaten, what would happen to the Gomu Gomu no Mi? Would the “will” of the Devil Fruit instantly transfer to the nearest fruit, or would it somehow try to merge with the creature that ate him?

And to go a bit darker: imagine the Dark-dark Fruit Blackbeard wanted was eaten by the guy who found it in Whitebeard’s crew. If Blackbeard or anyone else then ate that person, would the Devil Fruit transfer into the person who consumed them, or would it still leave the body and reincarnate into a nearby fruit instead?(ig Blackbeard would have done the secret thing he did to get the fruit from whitebeard to the guy who ate the darkness fruit but still I was jus curious)

[cyan cargo]

What role do you think the “forest god” played in then as based on the Harley text they were the ones that sent forth the demons even though latest chapters have suggested imus powers to be closely related to the sea

[swift plover]

that part is beyond the scope of my theory sadly. I have no input on the matter

[maiden dirge]

EOS Theory: Coby the simple boy who saved the world.

Okay so this theory is going to be quite controversial but I believe it has its place. Recently I have been seeing people talking about the moral qualities of each faction in the series, of course each side has its negatives but if we will take specific character who seems to be the most kind and right it is Coby. First of all he is just a simple boy, no devil fruit, no any relation with the important clans or families (so far and i hope it stays), he is just a guy. And I think there is a reason Coby is the first comrade Luffy meets, the fact that Oda didnt not forsake him but has shown his development closer to the end of series means something.

Now lets bring the topic regarding Imu, as we have seen so far, Imu is an invincible monster(perhaps even a god?) who has destroyed every top-tier with an ease, and now brings the question. If he is so strong then why wouldnt he just have flooded the world long time ago and completed his world as he intended? Well I believe the reason for that is because Nerona Imu is actually sealed. It would make sense that Joyboy have seen that he cannot win against Imu as its not even a human or mortal being, but rather what if Imu is actually an ancient god trapped inside somebody? The vessel, maybe thats the reason why Imus figure is actually just a black creature, because its just a vessel of an ancient god, and that ancient god was shown in the Harley in its full form. What adds to that theory is that Joyboy seems to be proficient in sealing haki and his power, as we have witnessed Emeth releasing rope with full of Joyboys haki, so it would seem that as the last resort Joyboy has concluded all of his remaining haki and life energy into the seal, in the center of the world: Redline.

[maiden dirge]

Now, you may ask me. But how is the Imu and Coby interconnected? Well now the main part begins. So far we dont know how Domi Reversi works but I think it is somehow connected to the emotions...what if Domi Reversi works on somebody who is in the negative state of emotions, if the Nika is the god who laughs and makes other laugh, it would make sense that Imu is the opposite which is why Imu fears Joyboy and Nika so much. Because Nika is an natural counter to the Imu. Well sure you may say, but how is Coby connected to that story? Well now comes my vision how the final fight is going to be.

As Luffy has reached his the final Nika form close to the original god, he challenges Imu perhaps with the other people. Luffy and his team are close to winning, as Nikas abilities are able to make everyone laugh which is the opposite of negative emotions Imu brings in people that allows him to Domi Reversi. Yet...as the fight closes off..Imu uses his most powerful card: Ragebaiting. He tricks BB and Loki into rage because he tells them how he killed Rocks and Harald, saying how pathetically they died and etc, which triggers BB and Loki in their rage to attack Imu, which turns in Imus favour as their negative emotions bring the spirit of vengeance and cast their Nika shield away. As this happens Imu uses his ability which we dont know yet to stab them and then suck off their life force either with Domi Reversi or something else. And this is where the main part happens.

[maiden dirge]

What if two fruits Xebec said that are required to defeat Imu are the ones that BB and Loki have, considering that Xebecs wife lived it would make sense that BB learnt truth and which is why he killed a teammate for the fruit, because he understood the importance. Dark dark fruit nullifies devil powers, as for Lokis fruit which is the second one we dont know yet. But as Imu uses domi reversi, he commands Loki and BB to use both of their fruits combining into some technique. Luffy tries to do something but it is too late..the seal that kept Imu was broken...

We see the huge transformation of Imu into the creature we saw in the mural. The final fight between Nika and Imu begins...
as the fight goes on, Luffy unfortunately loses because afterall he is not the real god, he is simply the shadow as he uses the devil fruit and not natural divine abilities, and if Imu is a sea devil then it would make bigger sense as Luffys abilities would just be nullified because as I said, his abilities aren't his own,its a copy from a devil fruit.

[maiden dirge]

As Luffy loses and falls, he prepares the final attack, but Imu says something like: THIS WONT WORK A SECOND TIME JOYBOY! He dodges it, but little did Imu know, Luffy used all of his haki to send a signal towards Coby, as Coby is the only one who can defeat Imu. Coby is just a simple boy, and the most important, the most kind one using purely his haki. And the last person Imu would expect to defeat him would not be a D member or any other important clan member but just some boy from east blue. Yet that action was already made by the Nika fruit. As we have seen, when Luffy are his fruit he already instantly liberated somebody from Imus prison..and it was Shanks..so what if when Luffy and Coby met, the reason Luffy was so interested in Coby is because subconsscioussly Nika made a bet that if this time Joyboy loses again, there will be an attack that Imu wont expect, in form of just a boy. That would also make sense as I see, after God Valley, the reason why Garp didn't leave Marines is because he understood that Imu can be defeated also from within, which is why Coby would also make Dragons, Garps and Luffys wish come true. As Luffys voice of all things reaches Coby, he tells him him, that he has already grown into someone who Coby wanted to be, and now it is time to make other peoples wishes come true. Coby remembers when he met Luffy for first time and then tells him "Dont worry Luffy-san this time it will be me who will protect you and payback for your help when we met!". And so as he gathers Luffys haki, Coby reaches the perfect haki, as Coby isn't the devil fruit user he is free of sin, and as he is morally the kindest person, Imus abilities simply cannot work on him because of his nature, similar how Enel couldn't hurt Luffy because he is made of rubber. And so Coby defeats Imu and becomes the admiral of the new post-wg Navy. And so the series ends with Coby staying near the Luffy memorial. The end.
Thank you for reading!

[slim mountain]

Sorry if this is not long or detailed enough, or if it has been posted many times before. I think it's pretty good so I wanted to write and share it.

The idea of sharing sake cups is a big part of the story. It's been shown to happen between Ace, Sabo, & Luffy, but also many other times in the story like between Shanks & Newgate, Yamato & Ace, Luffy and his Grand Fleet, and maybe more? EDIT: Newgate and Roger of course is a big one.
We have been given several hints that when the world is "flipped upside down" / destroyed / a new dawn arrives in the world / whatever happens at the end of the story, "they will meet again" or "the two sovereigns shalll meet again".
Binks' Sake has been in the story for a very long time, and it continues to feel relevant. The lyrics evoke many things that are present in the story, from mentions of drums and dawn, to sake itself.
Perhaps Joy Boy set sail in order to "deliver Binks' sake" so that the sovereigns could drink together (again or first time) but he was not able to complete his mission and so he left a note of apology for Poseidon.
It could relate to Luffy's dream, but I am not convinced of that necessarily.

This could probably be expanded even further with a bit more thought and research.

[muted valley]

Technically flowers do fruit.

Fruit are just flowers that were polinated and sexually develops to distribute its seeds.

[remote silo]

I was waiting for someone to reply with this

[remote silo]

I love Bink’s Sake and agree with you that it’s definitely very important. I had never considered perhaps he was being a delivery boy of sorts as a means of bringing people together, but that’s kinda perfect.

Also Oda told us about Gear 5 right to our faces, just sayin:

Stormy winds are blowin' by!
Waves are dancing, evening comes
It's time to sound the drums!

[muted valley]

I always assumed binks sake is something from void century. Its tying in delivering a bottle of booze for a wild pirate party. However it never got delivered but the song that was sung from its initial start got remembered. Just that binks sake didn't get delivered

I can see it tying in with what was at laugh tale and why Roger laughed. Itd be really ironic if that song they sung and had fun with was the treasure all along.

Then hes too early because the sake needed delivered at a certain point in time for a party.

Itd really hit the nail on the head with something luffy would love and be all about. A perfect ammount of serious but goofy

[remote silo]

The One Piece including Bink’s Sake in the flesh is definitely something I’ve hoped for. Perhaps Joyboy wanted to make the whole world a family or something

[muted valley]

Definitely to bring the world together.

I always assumed whatever it was for was a giant celebration that never happened due to void century.

[remote silo]

I think that tracks super well. Imagine it was a victory lap bringing back celebration booze (from the homeland, of course) and they never made it back around

[solar hedge]

The only reason I hesitate to connect Imu and the DF is Vegapunk stating that DF seem to be born from the desires of humanity. That's only his theory, but it's the most we've gotten so far. Combine that with some fruits exhibiting wills, and it's possible that DF are either previous inhabitants of the world, or potentially created by some force in the Void Century to enable humans to continue pushing back against Imu. Assuming DF were not just always a part of this world. If they were created shortly before or during the Void Century I think it's far more likely that the Ancient Kingdom was who either heavily utilized or outright created them, with the will of their previous users carried forwards via the DF to find capable users in the future. We've already seen one instance of a person with knowledge of the future hopping forwards to get to a specific point in time with Toki.

It'd be a bit weird if Imu was the one who created, for instance, the Paw Paw or String String Fruits when both allow for travel between islands, negating any advantage Imu would have gained while giving powerful weapons to potential enemies.

[haughty shale]

i think imu was part of these same ancient races and if they extracted a DF out of him it's probably rune rune fruit where you cast runes and do whatever magic spell you wish; i'd like to think that he was a very dangerous criminal back then and his people put him in prison, so when that race was annihilated for man's conquest, they forgot the one most important member of the race they should never have overlooked and the rest is history

[raw laurel]

I wrote a Reddit post, I think I figured out the name of the 4 elders we keep hearing about.

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/s/0pHOQjy4id

[swift plover]

The "df are born from desire" claim is still accounted for. My explanation was that the contract would make the affected people's desires manifest into devil fruits, thus being born from their desires. fruits like the paw and string being born from this is just a result of this bait - the cheese for the mouse trap. The "devil" inside is just a part of Imus own body that grants the power, and side effect, of the given fruit.
I don't think someone as prideful and arrogant as Imu took that many contingencies into account, which is why fruits like the Nika fruit exists - he never suspected a humans dream would be pure enough to manifest into something capable of beating him, rather assuming that humanity's greed and want for power/dominion would make the fruits cause insurrection, in-fighting, and turmoil. He never thought someone would dream for freedom, liberation and bringing joy to others

That is how I see it going at least. While im not trying to back this up with any decisive evidence, I do think your concerns are indeed accounted for, if i managed to phrase it well enough

[solar hedge]

I can see where you are getting this reading from, but the fact that Imu and the Gorosei are both scared crapless by Nika's fruit awakening indicates that Imu is perfectly aware that someone might one day still awaken it before Luffy did. If they were so scared of that potentiality, why create the fruit at all? Why have to lie about its true name? They've repeated how dangerous Luffy's fruit is in particular to their regime. And the only person to have had it at full power before, assuming the fruit isn't instead based on him, was Joyboy.

I still think the DF already existed or were created separately, and much like with the Giants, Imu saw an opportunity to try and bend something in the world to his whims.

[potent moat]

Idk If This A Theory Or Not
But I Think Haki Is The Sole Power System Of One Piece
Maybe It Is That People From Ancient Times Believed And Desired For Powers(Devil Fruit Powers) All Throughout The World, And Their Collective Desire And Will To Make Those Fantasy True, A Haki From Collectiveness Was Formed
And We Kinda Know Haki Weaves Things
What If Haki From Those Desires Weaved What We Now Know As Devil Fruits.
This Also Explains Why Zoan DFs Have A Will Of Their Own
The Original Haki From When They Were Formed Is Residual In Those Zoan DFs
(Idk This Is Like The Only Theory That I Ever Created. Maybe Its Just Wrong Completely But It Sounds Cool Ngl)

[swift plover]

1. I think their fear only came about AFTER joyboy managed to put up a fight against them, and so the wishgranting was done unaware of this potential hazard
2. I think you misunderstand the wishgranting process i am suggesting. Im suggesting a sort of deal that would manifest a fruit for for every citizen automatically, like an algorithm, not on a person-to-person basis like a checkpoint border
3. besides its perfectly fine if you disagree and have other beliefs, but both my theory and your theory can coexist until definitive proof contradict one option

[solar hedge]

No, I do understand what you're going for. Given that Imu has already shown the capacity to create contracts, I see where you're coming from. But to speak to #2 there, we know there's not as many DF as there are people, and we also now know what it looks like when someone does make a contract with Imu (physical mark left over). Unless we find out Imu has been trying to collect and get rid of them all, which we've seen no indication of other than very specifically the Nika fruit, he didn't make one for every citizen. He didn't even make one for half of them.

If your theory is true, the class difference between those who received and those who did not receive DF might have been the original impetus of the war. But I still think the curent information combined with the themes of willpower indicate the DF are a separate, opposed force to Imu.

If anything I'm a supporter of the idea that the WG has effectively propagandized them specifically because they couldn't adequately control them. You make the people afraid of eating the fruit or else they might have a devil live inside of them, and suddenly there are a lot less people who are willing to eat one. That the D in DF is for Dream, but Imu changed that label to Devil themselves, all the while being the true devil. But I suppose we'll have to see.

[swift plover]

The reason there wouldnt be as many dfs as there are people is because i specified that the contract would be between Imu and the ruler and citizens of the Ancient Kingdom

Other than that, I have no further notes, and accept the rest of your message as valuable input and understand your viewpoint

[solar hedge]

happy sailing friendo 🙏

[swift plover]

and to you too 🙏

[silent plume]

laugh tale is under water right? something like atlantis

[broken seal]

I think up in the sky, but undersea is an option

[steady prism]

Since this channel is for theories, could you elaborate more on why you think it's underwater? Was there anything in-story that made you think it had to be underwater instead of the sky?

[pure tusk]

My guess it’s inside a whale specifically the moby dick

[silent plume]

since the world was flooded and the one piece is 800 years old

[quasi basalt]

Couldn't it just have floated?

[arctic pumice]

is that sanji ? xD

[languid fractal]

What if the old kingdom has power to replicate and even mastered DF similar to vegapunk with seraphim, but at greater degree. For example, toki toki fruit gave user power to time travel, the old kingdom could use that to see into the future or send a seraphim-like entity into the future and communicate backward. This gives a reason for Joy Boy to be somewhat aware of the future, hence all the prep moves he made.

On the other hand, I think Laugh Tale should be an artificial island made by old kingdom tech. I even think it is a self-propelled ship that Joy Boy used as his ship during his piracy years, but since the ship should fit all the nakama races in it, including emett, zunesha, shirahoshi ancestor, and the giant, so it end up being the size of an island. it's also possible that laugh tale itself have devil fruit power to protect and hide itself, and have been using a better version of motherflame to sustain itself for the last 800 years. Like teleport or invincibility or shrinking or disguise to name the least.

When OP first mention the idea of Joy Boy being pirate, the next question was like where is his ship. Then there was one name/place, not counting Noah, which stood out, that is Laugh Tale

[dusky acorn]

It’s hard to give so much credibility to simply devil fruits alone though. These are basically products of nature in the OP world, and awakening is as far as one can go with them, so I wouldn’t be so sure about a Time-Time user actually seeing vivid depictions of the far future.
(There may be a more simple explanation for this aspect such as a past iteration of a fortune teller akin to Shyarly.)

I think you could be on a right track though. The supreme technology of the ancient kingdom could have amplified and worked in tandem with certain devil fruit powers to create mysteries we have today such as the whereabouts of Laugh Tale

[raw laurel]

thoughts on this

An upright pentagram, with one point facing up, is an ancient symbol representing the triumph of spirit over matter, often symbolizing protection, the five elements (Earth, Air, Fire, Water, Spirit), and divine harmony, used across various cultures like Wicca, Paganism, and even historically in pre-Christian Europe for protection and good fortune. It contrasts with the inverted pentagram (two points up), which often signifies the material world or has different connotations in modern usage.

[obtuse glacier]

Oda post a picture of giving Johnny Depp something with him being a pirate in one piece on twitter... do you guys think that the pirate that he been speaking about showing up on a black ship

[pulsar saffron]

With the knowledge that we have now, I think that we can assume that luffy is a descendant of Joy boy. But not just some random dude with a 'D'. A direct descendent, because both zunesha and emet recognized luffy as joyboy, not luffy. If he is, then could joyboy's descendents also have access to that I measurable haki? If yes then luffy might end up using it to defeat imu or the gorosei or the holy knights.

[broken seal]

That’s a poor assumption. Emet and Zunesha only recognize Luffy as Joyboy due to the drums of liberation. They both had the same devil fruit. It’s not enough to conclude a blood relation

[radiant jacinth]

One more theory about the end game, I saw is related to Red Line being referred as World Serpent (Herald also said in one of chapter as red flesh or snake something)currently sealed and when it gets unsealed Loki( future mugiwara may be or strongest ally) going to fight it, and imu vs Luffy (no doubt in this I guess)
And if the red line gets destroyed then finally we have all the seas united(creating all blue Sanji's goal)

[patent mountain]

Yes I've always thought this and I also believe that the serpent was petrified by a previous mero mero no mi user (maybe a medusa zoan fruit). The mural in skypiea is often compared to joyboy vs luffy but I think its whoever possesed this fruit vs the serpent (the hair reminds me of medusa)

[white haven]

Talking about Marks, there is a Big Mark on Dragon FACE !!! i mean that can't be a decor; u know.

[elfin current]

So I have this thought/theory in my mind, that the reason why celestial dragons (non knights) are allowed that many privileges, wealth etc is because they have some yet unknown value.

From what we have seen from wg until now it's purely interest/proffit driven, so it doesn't make much sense to grant that many privileges to useless pigs.

They are educated and have any form of empathy removed since youth, with kindness being punished by death.

Their environment and everything else seems to push them to do nothing but evil.

Considering Imus imaginary connection with the Devil and things like Abyss , I think that the very actions the celestial dragons do (Evil) is creating energy that is used to power those special abilities (immortality/teleportation etc) that we have seen being used.

Anyone has had a similar theory in the past?

[raw scarab]

This is anime only, but i wonder if Oda had a say of including this given recent developments

[placid bay]

GrandLineReview's latest video about Skypiea being a parallel for the void century story makes too much sense.

• The 4 Gods are being mentioned there for the first time
• Enel is a parallel to Imu
  • Both think they are above everyone and everything in the world
  • Imu destroyed Lulusia island, Enel destroyed angel island. Both left a black crater behind
  • Both want to destroy all the "EYESORE" people
  • Ark Maxim similar to Uranus and powered by his own "Mother Flame" (his DF)
• Golden City of Shandora is parallel to the Ancient Kingdom.
  • Shandora disappearred in the sky, Ancient Kingdom probably sunk in the sea.
• In skypiea the vearth was the reason of war and was precious. Now the world is drowning and land is precious.
• Joyboy couldn't keep his promise to the mermaid princess. Kalgara couldn't keep his promise to Norland.
• The white berets are the Marines.
  • The leader wears his Jacket like the high rank marines do.
  • The berets at the end helped the people escape against Enel. The marines doing the same at the final war makes sense to me or at least SWORD.

These are some of the points he mentions and gives a really good explanation for all them. I highly recommend watching the video, it's only 17min.

Also I would like to add here about the Snake in skypiea. It was strong AF and Luffy got trapped in and though he was in a "CAVE". This IMO is foreshadowing the earth snake. The more I think about Skypiea the more parallels come to mind, I ll go re-read it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gNWx33zHMI

[dawn sun]

The will of D comes from davy jones wish and it is to protect the world or maybe even the one piece from being possesed / controlled by evil (imu)

[pseudo turtle]

hello guys, any theory about whatt emmet did attacking marygeois 200 years ago?

since it respond from luffy gear 5th form, does marygeois somehow have nika for a short period on that specific years?

[olive dragon]

I think they casually mentioned that that being in the year fishmen were given rights..

Maybe emmet was programmed with a mission and some WG shady actions triggered him to activate and go serve as a warning, thus resulting in fishmen being given rights reluctantly, out of fear that more joyboy allies may appear.

Gotta be the same reason why robo-kuma flied to MaryGeoise (spelling) as well.

A promise was being broken, triggered the attack. In Kumas case, likely Bonney being in danger. But its telling that it caused the same trip to the holy land as emmet.. 🤔

[pure tusk]

My guess has always been that emet was sent into the future by toki and ran out of energy since there wasn’t nika around and this is why he activated when luffy was around

[radiant jacinth]

I just hope there is no Time Travel in One Piece.
Luffy is not aware of JoyBoy(or maybe don't care) but love to see either Luffy or His DF's will align together, that would be insane

[radiant jacinth]

Yeah I saw post, it appeared lots of time in silhouettes a pirate similar to Jack Sparrow.
That would be great if this pirate becomes the Sailer of Black Ship(man with Scar)
But idk Disney might copyright 😂

[sinful escarp]

Ngl I feel like Eris did some sort of curse on Blackbeard as a kid like a Davy D curse that brings on memories of Rocks and his past decedents and the reason why he can’t fall asleep and is able to eat two devil fruits.

[slender fulcrum]

I really think Laugh Tale is beneath reverse mountain
We have now Domi reversi stuff everywhere so there is possibility that when the red line was formed the land where laugh tale was was reversed to go below sea level

[haughty shale]

Is it possible to cast domi reversi on land? I feel like the whole point of that spell - respectfully to the board game - is to turn your opponents into your allies

But it's not farfetched of imu to have something else in his arsenal to level land and turn it upside down, kaido could very well do it and half of jaya was knocked up into the sky by knockup stream

The two plausible places for imu to hide laugh tales are -as you said- below sea with everything he had sunk, somewhere he knows even fishmen couldn't swim to. The second place would be high up in the sky or even in space. So many people, teach included, didn't believe in going to sky until they saw the knockup stream in person. Perfect place to hide a kingdom you want NOT A SINGLE SOUL to find.

[torn plover]

I don't think Imu hid laugh tale. I think it was done by Joyboy to secure a future possibility of beating imu. If you learn everything about everything at it it wouldn't make sense to hide it with the only possibility of reaching it by reading stones you don't even own yourself.

[fathom stratus]

holy shit

[languid ember]

THEORY: Big Mom Will Survive and Re-emerge in the Final War With Pluton (and Pluton Is Connected to Kaido)

In Chapter 1050, we see a panel of the tunnels created by Kaido and Big Mom after their defeat—along with their bodies submerged in the magma beneath Wano.

Later, in Chapter 1055, when Sukiyaki explains the location of Pluton to Robin and Law, he shows a diagram of “New Wano” sitting atop the underwater ruins of Old Wano. He explicitly states that Pluton rests within Old Wano, deep beneath the current country’s surface.

When you compare the panel of Kaido and Big Mom’s location in the magma to the panel of Old Wano, you can see that Big Mom & Kaido are sitting almost directly next to Pluton

In Chapter 999, Big Mom reminds Kaido of the LIFE DEBT he owes her for "giving" him the Uo Uo no Mi. That SAME DEBT is brought up again in Chapter 1165, when Big Mom says:
“Listen up, Kaido. You owe me for the REST OF YOUR LIFE, and you’re gonna make good on that. I’ll come collect one day.”

My theory is that Big Mom will use this "Life Debt" that Kaido owes her as an EXCUSE to ABSORB KAIDOS SOUL to give herself enough power and energy to SURVIVE the Magma.

She will then use this power up to tunnel out of the Magma and since it is SO CLOSE to where her and Kaido were, Big Mom will ACCIDENTALLY STUMBLE ONTO THE ANCIENT WEAPON PLUTON.

After realizing what she has found, and with such an INSANELY STRONG SOUL on her hands, I believe that Big Mom will USE KAIDOS SOUL and turn THE ANCIENT WEAPON PLUTON into a HOMIE and return in the FInal War/Saga

[fringe hemlock]

i been tryna explain the black pearl reference he’s doing with Hinokizu for months but nobody listens 😭

the hoju is a flaming pearl, Hinokizu is gonna have one on his head, thats our black pearl

Rocks was the last one which is why he’s packed with references to other Johnny Depp roles, namely Sweeny Todd and Edward Scissorhands.

[wild vector]

The idea that "big mom uses kaido's soul" is a heavily recycled theory. It's mainly just people wanting to kill off kaido but justify big mom surviving.

She wouldn't even need to use kaido's lifespan to make a homie. Not to mention the flashback shows they have a more brother sister relationship. Even before kaido gets beaten he reminisces on how long he knew her. Big mom wouldn't kill kaido to survive. Nor would she need to. That's why I 👎 you.

[languid ember]

I disagree, I think the story is making it painfully obvious that the theory is going to happen. There is 0 point in reminding us about the LIFE debt if that were the case and Big Mom LITERALLY kills her own children for personal gain so idk why you think she wouldnt Kill Kaido to survive

[wild vector]

Because like I said, she wouldn't need to. She was shown absorbing the souls of multiple fodder heart and kid pirates right before going into the volcano. There's zero rationale for her taking kaido's soul.

This is just people trying to make sense of the life debt plot line.

[languid ember]

She would need it to survive? She is on the brink of death? She is sitting in lava while on the brink of death and has essentially a medkit floating next to her??

[wild vector]

She can already use her abilities and the soul stock pile she has to create a lava homie.

There's literally no reason to use kaidos soul other than the fan base thinking it's a cool idea.

[languid ember]

You keep saying there is no reason but again, she is literally on the Brink of Death. a new powerful soul would give her life energy

[wild vector]

And like I've said twice now, she absorbed souls right before going into the volcano.

[languid ember]

Which she already used to create multiple homies, and to heal her bones and to give herself an amp. She is on the brink of death with no reserves. It makes less sense for her to NOT take Kaidos soul

[wild vector]

She absorbed all their souls after doing all that. If you are gonna form a theory then reread the chapter you are basing your information on.

[languid ember]

The irony of you saying this and being incorrect... Big Mom activates her Soul Pocus on Law and Kidds crew but is unable to actually take any Souls due to Kroom. Meaning she used all the souls prior on healing and her amp. You should indeed take your own advice and re-read the chapter. While we can disagree, theres no need to be rude

[wild vector]

Im not being rude. I'm just being blunt.

She takes the souls in the page before the room. After the room a cloud of soul follows her. Eventually it goes into her mouth. Then she pivoted around.

People have said no that's just smoke. But in the final panel there's no smoke in the air. Just rubble. It was soul.

Also it starts in 3 streams then solidifys into one. If it were smoke it wouldn't do that.

[languid ember]

This is incorrect as that IS just smoke. The panel quite literally before the screenshot you put in, shows her open mouth, tongue out. She has NEVER been shown to eat/nor harbor souls in her mouth. The smoke comes directly after she punches a huge explosion and the smoke out of the mouth matches from what weve seen MULTIPLE times throughout the series when characters are blown up by something

It also makes no sense for that to be souls as you claim, as again, she never took any souls. It didnt work

[wild vector]

You wanna double down, be my guest.

We don't see the smoke right after the laser blast. And we see it before she punches anything so it's not from that.

Nor do you explain how smoke would start as 3 separate streams, then solidify into one in her mouth, then show zero smoke in the sky on the second wide panel. Doesn't add up

We haven't seen her eat a soul, but we have seen her own homie do it. If hera can eat a soul then so can she.

Untill she put it into her own bones this wasn't thought of as possible either.

[languid ember]

You are being disengenuous and purposfully leaving out panels. Its in the material, its not up for a debate. She did not take those souls and that IS smoke coming from her mouth. If I could send screenshots I could easily show you

It seems like he is aware at this point as he is purposefully leaving out panels to push his point

[wild vector]

I left out one page. In every page before it shows the souls still leaving their bodies.

[languid ember]

That exact panel proves my point. You show in the bottom right red circle that they are in fact, still conciouss, alive, and have their souls. She was not able to take their souls as you showed in the OTHER panels that she snatches the souls with her hands to consume them, leaving the victim dead or unconciouss

In the NEXT panel after the ones you JUST sent she is shown with her mouth OPEN and tongue OUT, also proving she has no souls in her mouth. It is very clear that it is SMOKE from the GIANT EXPLOSION she JUST caused

And just for fun lets say those ARE souls coming out, it again, contradicts your main point as you said theres no need to Absorb Kaidos soul as she has reserves. if those ARE the souls, how does she have reserves?

[wild vector]

Them being conscious and alive doesn't support the idea that she didn't take their souls. All it means is she didn't take all of their lifespan.

The next panel doesn't show any smoke coming out of her mouth. It's 3 separate streams at a distance from her body. You keep bringing up the panel with her tongue put but zero smoke is shown near her there.

Then we get the focus on it in her mouth in the next page. It also comes After her turning and trying to make noise. Why would she blow smoke after slightly removing?

[languid ember]

You are all over the place. You are arguing a point that contradicts your main point, as well as being blatantly incorrect on it. She blows smoke out of her mouth because she just punched a shit ton of bombs at point blank range. She didnt consume any souls because Kroom stopped her from doing it.

If you want even more proof than the manga, the anime quite literally shows it to be grey smoke, the same smoke coming from the explosion that she just caused.

[wild vector]

NVM I'm very wrong about the second smoke panel as it clear is the aftermath of her punching a frozen bomb.

even so I still don't see kaido being used as a cheap plot device like that. He serves a greater goal if he lives.

[languid ember]

W gamer for admitting a mistake. I disagree with the Kaido thing, I think his story is wrapped up but only time will tell

[languid ember]

SIDE THEORY:
In order for Usopp to become a great warrior of the sea, hes going to get Domi-Reversied

[wild vector]

I think the quickest way for him to become that warrior is for Luffy to need him.

[devout meteor]

The Ancient Kingdom Used Living weapon zoans. The Ancient Giants, Zunesha, Sun God Nika, and the massive Egghead robot are all results of biological engineering + spiritual power. Joy Boy wasn’t just a warrior he was a bio technician who created living, sentient Zoan creatures that predate Devil Fruits themselves.

Zunesha and the ancient Egghead robot both come from the Void Century and act like sentient weapons, proving the Ancient Kingdom could create living constructs long before Devil Fruits existed. Vegapunk confirmed that Zoans have actual wills and personalities, which implies they originated from real creatures or engineered lifeforms. Lunarians, Sea Kings, and other non human beings tied to Joy Boy all show traits that look like ancient bio-technology rather than natural evolution. All of this supports the idea that the Ancient Kingdom created living “prototype Zoans,” and modern Zoan Fruits are just the condensed versions of those original engineered beings.

[fleet maple]

You just gave me an idea as to a possible "Why" does Imu Particularly hate the D clan/lineage and is trying to kill them off. what if that wish you mentioned was like a seal or spell of some sort that keeps Imu sealed away as long as someone with the will of D exists? Like the endgame for imu would be to kill every last one of them so a curse or seal is broken.

[true tree]

I dunno about getting Pluton but I do agree with getting Kaido's soul to survive

Something that intrigues me about Big Mom's fruit is if Zeus' still being alive means that she's still alive.

[sage nymph]

about the whole did loki "beat" harald and or did shanks and gaban help damage or kill harald and loki upscale

Loki did in fact kill harald, loki asked hajurdin, " do you really think i killed dad bcuz i wanted to?" Confirms loki murdered harald but not beat in a fight

I predict harald somehow will have his most redeemable moment and logical decision and convinces everyone present at the castle to kill him or at least find out how to kill him essentially experiment with immortallity power, while hes also fighting imus control, i think we all know no matter whos there against rampage fully controlled harald, you are done, literally top 1 harald is atp, so i bet nerfed top 1 harald is still taking bodies

i also predict harald will end up killing everyone except loki and jarul, jarul of course incapacitated and loki the last man standing will eat the legendary fruit or have already eaten it, uses it to kill harald at that point

[dawn sun]

maybe hmmmmm

[languid ember]

My only reasoning to believe that she will put him in Pluton is due to Pluton being right next to where they are currently at. My guess is that she accidentally digs out into the area that holds Pluton

[wild vector]

The focus on the bodies in the magma pool before the eruption, and the suspiciously looking upper body shaped figure(in the eruption) leads me to believe they made their escape during the eruption.

The idea of pluton being released once momo opens wano gives more importance to his actions being what reveals it rather than big mom tunneling to find it.

[fast goblet]

Yea I’m like fairly suspicious that we’re eventually gonna see Big Mom washed up on some island shore with 4th degree burns talkin abt how she got sent flying by the volcano

[sick meteor]

Teach reason for having two fruits because he ate the kraken fruit, the kraken (also octopus and squids)has three hearts and teach flag pirates has three skulls and sometimes he has missing teeth and sometimes not, and the way he ate whitebeard fruit is because he ate his heart when covered in the blanket

It's may not be true but it's all theories

[polar patio]

Teach used his fruit to its full potential under the tarp because it blocked out all the light letting him absorb white beards fruit

[steady prism]

Yep, completely agree. I’ve spoken a bit about how Moria’s shadow extraction (using a light to cast a shadow) and BB’s df extraction (using a tarp for complete darkness) are similar here: #manga-theories message

Still some unexplained/speculative things, but maybe we’ll learn more in time.

[polar patio]

Yeah some people think he absorbed his brain or his heart

[sudden heart]

I wonder though, if BB's extraction has to be done with the former user being dead? Since when a user dies the power transfers to the nearest fruit. Why not just let the power transfer to a fruit and let them eat it?

[steady prism]

To avoid the unpredictability of where it’ll respawn?

[sick meteor]

Ngl this might be true (or it is true) but still. The secret how he has 2 fruits?

[wild vector]

We have seen smoker without his heart still had fruit powers. Same with ceasar. We also see no damage to whitebeards body that wasn't already there.

I think it's a safe conclusion to think the darkness fruit with no light is capable of bypassing the fruit requirement. Ie he is using gravity to suck the soul of the devil fruit and or WB to house the power in his body.

[polar patio]

Yeah but in the manga panel of akainu hitting white beard he blows off the side of his head leaving it exposed hypothetically he could’ve ate his brain

[steady prism]

!theories @soft ether this channel’s for longer, more thought out theories. As it stands right now, your idea about Imu and Luffy is coming to that conclusion out of nowhere with what you’ve stated.

You seem to be happy to provide more details in #manga , feel free to repost once you’ve gathered your thoughts and in-story evidence

@spiral remnant @polar patio stop with the random what-ifs. If you’re willing to elaborate on them, you’re more than welcome to

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, power scaling, bounty predictions or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description. Posts here must be in paragraph form, preferably with evidence, not just a one line open question.

[soft ether]

Ahh i see i apologize 💔

[hallow bear]

Now that I think about it, I think he's gonna become a brave warrior of the sea by breaking the domi reversi of those already affected by it

When it comes to these sorts of abilities that trap people under curses (the hollow and hobby fruits) it ends up being usopp to bring them down.

Im thinking this aint where luffy vs imu happens, I still think its too soon, what I think happens is usopp uses some trick to break domi reversi somehow and right as luffy sees imu he/she leaves gunkos body after say8ng some cryptic line that'll make sense later

[raw laurel]

The Jolly Roger is a cover up for the shallow mark the skull covers the centre which reminds me of the sun pirate symbol

[vernal crypt]

On a classic Jolly Roger, the skull is centered, and the crossbones or variations radiate outward

[granite surge]

I mean, Doc Q does have his apples on deck, maybe thats one of the ways blackbeard does it, or he eats the heart

[sudden heart]

Since BB is able to turn off df powers when he touches them, it might have something to do with how exactly that works. Does his Yami Yami fruit takes the powers away or does it take the devil out or negates them? I dunno

[granite surge]

I think it works exactly like sea water

[sudden heart]

Seawater doesn't take the powers away, just weakens the user and drains them of their strength.

His df turns the powers off completely.

[timid sapphire]

Is there any correlation with Kidd’s Punk Rotten with the abyssal mark + rocks? Or is this one of those “Oda significantly minor foreshadow that nobody will ever guess”

[kind tusk]

This Foreshadowing is crazy as fuck

Even this Luffy G5 form was revealed before Luffy turn into nika (this one from impact frame where Luffy got stabbed by the cp0)

[raw laurel]

Idk I do think there is a connection between Kidd and rocks. Kidd is based off of punk music and that’s a sub genre of Rock music.
I do believe there are other signs connecting kid to rocks

[neon hazel]

both are zoan fruits

[lean shadow]

I think I just got a vision about kid.
Oda is saving his story for the butcher oi type of entrance.
Shanks will be fighting someone and getting pushed back and we will just hear oi,akagami.
And oda will make it look like he is gonna attack shanks,but instead he will use his attack to push back whatever or whoever shanks is fighting.
Then kid will have a banter talk with shanks where he is mad at him for holding back when they fought and we will have a flashback to shanks talking about it with his crew.
I bet even the chapter title will be some sort of clue.
As to when that will happen idk,but prob next year.

[kind tusk]

Um who?

[wild vector]

Theory: the slime and the mother flame are the same types of experiment. One is condensed destructive poison given sentience. The other is condensed flame given sentience.

Salamanders are capable of regeneration. So combining that with energy seems like a good idea.

On close inspection of the mother flame panel we see it's making breathing sound effects. Implying it's alive.

At the center we see a perfect circle dot that could be an eye. Smileys eyes are drawn the same way just bigger.

There is a tiny little ridge across from the circle dot that could be a mouth.

The right lower side has a section of flame that is drawn more like a tail than a flame. The lines are doubled back on and every where else the flames are single line.

Right above the circle dot you see flame like the rest. But picture Nika. He has flames for hair. If this was a fire salamander, it would also have a head with fire properties. Just like smiley has a head and body that drips poison.

Vegapunk says that in creating the mother flame he flew to close to the sun. While that can be interpreted as nuclear energy

It can also be that his creation was too close to how the original Nika was created.

[fringe hemlock]

and will to live 🤓

[sudden heart]

What do you mean?

[gloomy otter]

I was brainstorming, an i found that even if the large boat at fishman island is called " Noah's Ark", the ark itself is more similar to the hindu version of ark.

Main reason is in Semitic version, ark is free floating no one pulls it. But in hinduism a Large fish (aka large mermaid ) is in charge of pulling it

[pure tusk]

Yooo you are cooking I definitely think the arcs are inspired by Hindu mythology specifically Vimana I actually mentioned it in my Uranus = Emerlad city theory that it’s based off the pushpaka vimana

[ebon bone]

after the events of Egghead the ponegylphs are sought after by the big factions of the world and as a Yonko crew The Cross Guild is the only one with no Poneglyphs or its readers. Moria joining up with them is a given at this point but the poneglyphs are not at their hands yet. Buggy would know the location of PG in Zou and i believe there will be a clash between BB n Shanks where the cross guild takes the spoils after battle or even the marines. i dont see anyother way that buggy would be competing with the other emperors and crews

[proud warren]

Na you would see gear 5 for a second in film red when he was fighting Ulta

[gloomy otter]

Another theory of mine is the story is pagan/nature religion vs Standardised religion

All gods and figures from good side are based on pagan believes while most of the believes of world government is very similar to standardised religion

God knights are very similar to Knights Templar.
Similar to onepiece world, saints of religion have very bad image among people of 3rd world countries

Old "flood" in books was caused by 'god' similar to that onepiece have manual flood

[fringe hemlock]

Luffy once explained it as the sea saps a df users will to fight against it

[raw laurel]

Miss goldenweek can use magic powers like imu

[bitter fulcrum]

So I've been wondering.. The MotherFlame, used in Lulusia, it left a massive hole in the ocean right?.. But then the sea levels rose. The sea levels should've lowered.. no? If the water was falling in 🤔. What could actually be causing the water to rise?
Was the Island 'pressed' downwards, thus increasing the volume of water?

[heady marlin]

Idr exactly what happens but If the island is pushed underneath the sea, then sea rises, if the island is evaporated and disappeared then water would rush in since part of the island was underwater

[gloomy otter]

The new god valley chapter adds a new layer to why roger accepted execution

He want to create a proof that government can't manipulate.

If he didn't do that, later he would have end up in the same state as rocks.

By talking about onepiece, he laid will of D in all the people who were listening

[lofty heron]

Yeahh

[pure tusk]

Oh yea 100% a common theme in history in Norse history is the clash with there mythology between Christianity and how they abandoned it for Christianity. Also you gotta check out my theory on the emerald city and Uranus it got turned into a video by Joygirl https://youtu.be/KNAoKnNrvLo?si=EpGOl1o5AEvJWP86

[gloomy otter]

Just another theory what if pluton need beat of joyboy to work similar to the robot?

What if enel tried to replace it with his devil fruit and franky replaced it with cola?

[wet spoke]

so the water level is rising right so how they gonna stop that well in real life the ocean has tides because of the moon. their gonna use the MOON or mnay moons which btw enel is already up there . what if imu or someone else purposefully changed the moons so that places like the grand line and calm belt can exist which will lead only that part of the ocean having terrible or uncontrollable wheater so to reunite the world no only would they have to destroy the red line (to achieve sanji's dream of the all blue) but their gonna also have to someone decentralise the grand line and calm belt because if u destroy the red line your only technically joing two seas together if you think about it

sorry for the weird structuring of this english is not my first or second language

[gritty goblet]

I feel like Luffy will defeat imu in the final war and he will become the king of the pirates as well by the end of the show

He will become king of the pirates like Roger

Because Luffys goal was to become the king of the pirate so thats why I think he might become the pirate king

[oblique copper]

but what after he become the king of pirates? you guys believe in that luffy's 56year age limit thing??

[gritty goblet]

No I don't think that 56 thing is real because 5+6 is 11 and after he becomes the pirate king he's gonna enjoy

[oblique copper]

maybe u are correct but if we look toward the negetive aging effect that excessive use of gear 2 and 4 gave to luffy...we can already preasume that luffy's age is already halfed cooked!!
https://www.reddit.com/r/Piratefolk/comments/119f1a0/the_drawbacks_of_gear_5_wow_wow_insane_topic/

[gritty goblet]

But I think Luffy might still become pirate king

[oblique copper]

yeah! that's true! he'll surely be

[gritty goblet]

I hope the marines stop him before that happens pirates are evil

[oblique copper]

lol! bro just changed his sides from pirates to marine
marine are trying and will keep trying but in the one piece world everyone knows the reality of world goverment...it's corrupted and works for Nobels like celestial dragons and kings...whereas some of the pirate do good works ironically!
idk what will be the future of one piece...but i hope atleast Akainu dies and zoro becomes the Greatest swordsman in the world

[gritty goblet]

If luffys goal is to be free then he isn't really free if he's being held back by age or disease

[oblique copper]

maybe being free means a happy world even without him?
or maybe the journey he did all the way along the show is the process to peace?!
Oda is unpredictable...we should just let him cook

[gritty goblet]

Akainu will live he will not die and remain fleet admiral he will get an offer to join the holy knights but he will decline because he's that righteous Marines are righteous without them there wouldn't be law and order pirates aren't good though

This is pirate propaganda akainu would never relate himself with pirate scum

[oblique copper]

maybe this is peace??
and i think...no one in one piece is a bad guy...but it's the story that makes people evil...like how cel. dragons making civilians slaves is good but ppl have just over exaggerated it or maybe CP-0 hunting Luffy cause he gave wano freedom??(just ironically sayin...don't take personally)
im not tryna fight or say akainu is bad or marine are bad...they are doin their work nicely...but then there are some other key elements shaping life of every other character we have ever seen...let's be real...no one wants luffy to die or anyone else to...but just want to enjoy the beauty of the adventure that he's goin on!

ahh ima sleep!!!!
tmro is my CS test and i haven't studied yet

[gritty goblet]

Mb Sorry
GL for it

[oblique copper]

np bro! see ya around L8R!

[broken gale]

After seeing episode 1153, it might be because I am watching DARK on netflix atm but, what if luffy is joyboy? Like literally. Like some time travel shit, and Emet was literally informed by Luffy to help Luffy in that moment on egg head otherwise he wold not be able to travel back in time to tell Emet to help him? It might seem silly but if you have seen DARK perhaps it makes some sense

[fringe coral]

I think Imu might be a Nekomata (a cat yokai), spoiler: ||after the new ep today Imu got scared by Joyboy’s haki and if you look closely, you will see that Imu’s eyes resemble a cat’s eyes when they are scared or ready to attack. Not only that, but in ep 1119 the zoan silhouette looks very close to a cat if you look at the nose. Also with that information, Imu use two tails to pierce king cobra and Sabo and I don’t think that’s a coincidence. Nekomatas are known for having two tails and living longer than any other creature, they are also very proficient in black magic and are immune to fire. Seeing as Imu eats a fire attack from sabo and the gorosei using dark magic circles to transform and teleport, think it’s safe to assume that Imu has some sort of cat-diety powers.||

[raw scarab]

DO the eyes look the same in the Manga? I think for Manga-theories section, the anime can be a good first point for generating a theory, but verifying the Manga is the same will help solidify your theory. This is manga section, so dont worry about spoilers, expectation is all of us are at least in Elbaf arc.

[latent iris]

If he was, Emet, zunesha wouldve recognised him, the theory is that luffy inherited joyboys will or whatever and trapped his haki in emmet to help that person who happened to be luffy. I've seen dark it's MUCH complicated than one piece and travelling back in time couldn't possibly fit in the story

[quick cargo]

is there any possibility chopper has no devil fruit and is an important/weird zou animal? His forms already make no sense for a zoan user and we saw Bepo use a rumble ball with no devil fruit so monster point could just be the mink transformation for chopper? And he also just never learnt how to swim.

[granite surge]

I think chopper has a deity fruit tbh, which is why he can do all these weird transformations

[quick cargo]

You know it could be both, if he has a deity/mythic fruit it could mean his human intelligence and such don’t come from the human human fruit, it’s because he’s a minx with a fruit and his rumble balls advance his minx powers but actually have nothing to do with his devil fruit which when awaken when he realises?

it’s just really throwing me off that the only other rumble ball user isn’t a zoan but a minx, oda must be telling us it has nothing to do with devil fruits?

chopper also originally lost control of monster point yet it wasn’t his awakened form so shouldn’t effect him, however if it’s his minx form then it would make him go berserk until he controlled it

[granite surge]

Could be 🤔 or it comes from a mink/human hybrid

[quick cargo]

bet he’s a minx from an ancient joyboy bloodline, who ate the zou version of the nika fruit like the “Lorax Lorax fruit” and he’s the protector of all animal kind or something

If powers are tied to the users understanding then like luffy, chopper probs hasn’t even barely utilized his fruit, i bet the only use of his fruit we’ve seen is his ability to talk to animals

[granite surge]

Yea, but he also said he wanted to be the cure, and wants to get rid of all incurable diseases (he’s from an island where theres a rumor of a mushroom that does exactly that 😏) so maybe the fruit is from a mini doctor perhaps

[pulsar saffron]

Wit abt momonosukes mom

Joyboy could've asked a pastor user to do it

[spare summit]

I read somewhere that Loki's hammer could be the final road poneglyph.
It was on fishman island in Roger's timeline, and probably at some point later Harald moved it to Elbaf when he visited fishman island (we see Harald meeting Neptune in a panel after Roger's execution in 1167).
The shape of loki's hammer is also different in flashback when he was kid/teenager and in current timeline (looks more like cuboid).
Thoughts?

[ebon bone]

That’d just kill the hype of man with the burn scar.

[gleaming crystal]

Imu, Davy, and Joyboy are three brothers. Davy is the king of the ancient kingdom, Imu is a schemer and Joyboy is a rebel who doesn’t like being royal.

Lily marries Joyboy and becomes a D. Imu was in love with Lily and threw a fit culminating in him conspiring with the devil to overthrow his brother.

Joyboy escaped but Imu took over Lilys body. Imu declares him the first “pirate”.

Joyboy escaped with his brothers crown (pirates like stealing treasure) and hid it on laughtale.

The reason why Roger laughed is because they expected to find something more impressive than ONE PIECE of “treasure”.

[rough storm]

i had this theory that the one piece is joyboys journal that has all the information about what happened in the past. and the reason why tthey laughed was probably because instead of finding gold and treasures they find a history book instead. and poneglyps was just pages torn from joyboys journal.

why i say its a history book or joyboys journal was because we could see rogers crew was just sitting down while listetning to odens telling them joyboys story. and the reason why roger name the island "laughtale" because laugh and joy are closely linked. so laugh(joy)tale make sense if the treasure in the island was just joyboys tale from the pasttt.

[molten flax]

Possible ..but then Emet tells him that you're not him and that he won't let him die...
Luffy is probably a descendant of Joyboy...

[rough storm]

or the nika awakening was what reminded him of joyboy.

[molten flax]

Ya...his heartbeat reminded him of joyboy. It was the beat that made him think it was joyboy in the first place..like zunesha

[keen zodiac]

theory,
the moon clan the clan that goes with nika when they escape their doomed planet is divided into 2 clan
the Fullmoon clan and the Halfmoon clan (D clan)
both dreamed, but the meaning of the word is to pursue their ideals
the Halfmoon clan have masteries over haki, just like lanterns can will things into reality

the Fullmoon clan have great intelectuals, and can command magic since magic is just coding for them
and somewhere in history both clash due to different ideology
Imu or mu is from the Fullmoon clans, in the resulting civil war that kill nika, Mu become the champion and winner
then imu just like itachi proceed to wipe out his clan and enemy clan

[pulsar saffron]

Imu is wut others call them, but mu is what they call themselves right?

[digital gulch]

I wrote this a few weeks ago and i think its not a fleshed out but i still wanna share this idea, specifically the telepathy thing:

"I was reading a discussion on Dragon and the Man Marked By Flames, as if they were working together to control the weather. I didnt really agree on the flames meant the man could manipulate weather in any way, but I thought back to how they could be in communication. I then thought about other times people could communicate in the way certain entities would, such as Zunesha, Rocks, assumed Voices of All Things. We know many members of the D Clan are connected to it - plus some like Momonosuke and Zunesha. I wonder if this is somehow connected to the D Clan.

Why was rocks able to communicate to Garp and Roger? This is a ridiculous moment. Never have we seen one character in the present story straight up TELEPATHY to another present character, or in this case, two!! Only Imu has done this to characters like the Gorosei or people that swear life onto them.

Think about it. Rocks straight up did the same exact thing, except on the verge of death. That is the only exception. I cant explain why this is rocks's condition for using this power. Maybe it meets the same conditions as Zunesha? But the fact he was able to do the same thing as Imu must have some relevancy.

Lets tie this back into Dragon, and the Man Marked hy Flames. I think if it has ANYTHING to do with the D Clan, Dragon comes off as someone I wonder. If Garp learned about the power Rocks used at his death. Could he have told Dragon? This can explain so much about Garp as a character, and why Dragon has become so powerful as a figure. As for the Man Marked by Flames, I assume this connection could correspond to a character we haven't met yet, or something like they can share telepathy with, explaining why he is always looking East. "

[shut patio]

So we know how the revolutionary army is being watched by Blackbeard as they invade and he is bound to make a move but, what if Dragon is also watching Blackbeard and is using this raid as a chance to go and return the favor to Garp for freeing him after God Valley. We know Dragon and Garp keep contact with each other so it wouldn’t be a stretch to assume Koby has met Dragon or Kuzan can tell Dragon being they were both trained directly by Garp so one of them tell Dragon what happened on pirate island and now he’s about to make a move.

[left barn]

Part 1/9: I have the theory. The last island on the Grand Line, „Raftel“, is either the ancient ruins of the „Great Kingdom“ or the last yet to be revealed ancient weapon „Uranus“ and a bit more.
Before I continue my reasoning I first have to clear up something. I first watched OP years ago and stopped around EP 1000. I was only watching half heartedly you could say and I am now rewatching/rereading to catch up to the current events. Everything after EP 1000, I have neither watched or heard of. There are spoilers and information I am aware of. What I mean to say is, the theory I am about to write consists only of my own thoughts. If it holds information that has been already „Confirmed, Denied or are part of already known theories“ then it is only coincidence.

[left barn]

Part 2/9: Now to continue. „Raftel“ is either the ancient ruins of „The Great Kingdom“ or the last yet to be revealed ancient Weapon „Uranus“.
I would first like to address the last assumption of mine. The reason of why I think the last ancient weapon „Uranus“ could be the island „Raftel“ itself is pretty primitive.
It is said, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, the ancient weapons were used by the Great Kingdom to fight against the threat that evidently erased history and created the „Void Century“.
It is known, that the ancient weapon „Poseidon“ is in fact the Mermaid-princess „Shirahoshi“, who’s ability is to communicate with and command the sea beast. The ancient weapon „Pluton“ is revealed to be a massive „Warship“ hidden in „Wano“. Now my primitive though was pretty simple. One weapon is a person, one a ship, thus the last weapon is the „Destination“.

[left barn]

Part 3/9: Now what follows is a reasoning that I also like to connect with my first assumption. It is said, confirmed by the professor on Ohara during Robin’s backstory, (IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY) that the „Great Kingdom“ was a mighty nation with „major technological feats“ and far more developed civilisation than the rest of the world at that time and the current could ever understand and imagine.
I would assume the last ancient weapon „Uranus“ is still unknown due to the fact, that no one except for Gol D. Roger has ever reached the last island and as him and his crew kept their findings hidden as „It wasn’t the right time yet“, the weapon still canonically isn’t known to the OP world.

[left barn]

Part 4/9: To continue now, I will now go to my first assumption. I believe the last Island on the Grand Line „Raftel“ that only one man in history has ever reached, namely „Gol D. Roger“, is the last ancient Weapon „Uranus“ ITSELF.
To explain. In Sabaody in Shakky’s bar Luffy claims „The one who is the Pirate King is the one who is the freest of them all“. I believe there is some foreshadowing and truth to it. It is said. IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, that „Joy Boy“ who hailed from „The Great Kingdom“ was „DECLARED THE FIRST EVER PIRATE“. Important is the „Declared“ part. „Joy Boy“, the only one known to have formerly been the holder of the „Gomu Gomu no mi“, the fruit Luffy ate, was the freest Person in the world, declared „as the first pirate“ and in my Theory, „The King of the Great Kingdom“.
Freedom means multiple things. For my theory a few are important. „Power/Strength/Might, Independence, No duties and no responsibilities.
I believe it was something akin to this. The following part is based on assumptions of how powerful the Devil Fruit truly might be. „Joy Boy“, the King of the „Great Kingdom“ committed on great mistake. To become the freest person in the world he had to get away from all that binded him to ONE PLACE.

[left barn]

Part 5/9: Thus, with either the power of the at that time holder of the Shadow fruit, currently held by Gecko Moria, or the Power of his own fruit, he ripped his own shadow apart from his own body. The reason „Joy Boy“ survives after such, lets call it operation, is the „Gomu Gomu no mi“. Meaning his own Devil Fruit. He „Stretched his own Life“ to survive.
The shadow that remained was his replacement as King and was supposed to carry all the „Burdens, Duties, Responsibilities etc.“ and was thus shackled to the duty of „KING“.
This shadow would turn out to develop to be „Imu“.
While „Joy Boy“ then set off for his journey, his „Shadow IMU“, remained in his place to carry on his duties.
The mistake/sin „Joy Boy“ committed, was misunderstanding the nature of what the „Shadow“ was. By not understanding his own power correctly, „Joy Boy“ created the „Shadow IMU“ who proceeds to carry all his „Darkness“. Thus freeing himself from his own self.
The reason „Joy Boy“ or rather the „Holders of the Gomu Gomu no mi“ are considered as the „Man who laughs“ is because of the Joy and happiness they hold spread, but in his case, he was a „FAKE“.
While „Joy Boy“ was on his journey, the duties of a king drove the „Shadow IMU“ into madness, similar to an AI being taken over to the extreme by the task they are supposed to fulfil.

[left barn]

Part 6/9: The Power the „Great Kingdom“ held was possibly immeasurable. Their advanced technology, civilisation etc, held them at the very top of the world. In the Backstory of Robin, the prof explains, that right after the end of the void century, the „World Government“ was established. I believe there is the reason for that. The „Great kingdom“ was so far ahead, that they were considered the „Kings of the World“. There was no need for a unified World Government. Why would they need one ? After all, a „Righteous and fair King“ is better for all, than a „group“ that controls all.
Their Influence and power was great for a reason.
Amongst those reason was, the „Great Kingdom“ is the „Birthplace of Sun God Nika“.
This alone isn’t simply proof of their might, but also their technological Power. Nami mentions in early episodes that even mere generations or centuries ago ( I don’t remember properly), it was practically suicide to set sail on the „Grand Line“, as they knew even less back then, than they do now. Except for the „magnetical field“ all islands create, there is no way to actually cross the grand line. I believe the „Great Kingdom“ had a way. Proof is them being able to spread their culture/beliefs. Elba and the ancient city of Gold „Shandorra“ believed deeply in the „Sun God Nika“.

[left barn]

Part 7/9: How would they know if you cant even „Find the Great Kingdom/Raftel“ which can’t be found with the regular compass.
Next point. IMU, than carried out the duties of the King. But shackled by the inherent darkness of Joy Boy, IMU constantly, like a failed AI, tried to create the perfect Kingdom/World. This led to more control. More laws. Less freedom and eventually to a war between IMU and Joy Boy. IMU eventually won somewhat and carried out to further „CREATE THE PERFECT KINGDOM“. One that cant be toppled. After all, how can u fell a kingdom, when you don’t even know, that there is a king.
The rest of the world, after the fall of their inherent leader „The great kingdom“ was forced to submit to IMU and thus created the WG.
Under IMU’s control, he made sure to make them practically obedient slaves, who gave up on all the power they had and willingly gave them to IMU. Thats where I think of also something else. IMU holds power of the entire world ? No, only all the Kingdoms or rather the royal families that „Gave UP“ control over their kingdom. In the Dressrosa saga, we get introduced to „Sugar“. The girl who created the toy soldiers and bound them „BY CONTRACT“. I believe IMU most likely ate a similar fruit that allowed him to take control of all who yielded their power to him.

[left barn]

Part 8/9: The royal family of Neferati from Alabasta, never gave in properly and was thus never truly under the „CONTRACT“ of IMU. The WG is essentially the „Shadow“ of the „Great Kingdom“. Their entire Darkness.
„Uranus“ was thus lost on the Grand Line. Where only one man in the history of OP was truly ever able to arrive at. „Gol D. Roger“. The only reason he was „Too early“, was because the only power/way to stop IMU is, is the Devil Fruit he was created with/takes back the Shadow. Roger was faaaaar from ever reaching this. He ran out of time.
„Uranus“ hold the last key to fully utilise all 3 „Ancient weapons“ and fight IMU.

[left barn]

Part 9/9: Forgot to add this, but my guess would alsoo be, that the WG declared joyboy to be the first pirate, to eternally declare him a sinner, if u will

[pseudo pulsar]

you might be cooking

"Nekomata
猫又
ねこまた

Translation: forked cat
Habitat: towns and cities
Diet: carnivorous; frequently humans

Appearance: One particularly monstrous breed of bakeneko is the two-tailed variety known as nekomata. Nekomata are found in cities and villages and are born in the same way as other bakeneko. However, only the oldest, largest cats with the longest tails—and thus the most intelligence—become this powerful variety. When a nekomata transforms into a yōkai, its tail splits down the center into two identical tails. These monster cats are most likely seen walking around on their hind legs and speaking human languages.

Behavior: While not all bakeneko are malicious or violent towards their masters, all nekomata are; they look upon humans with contempt.** Nekomata summon fireballs and start great conflagrations, killing many people. They control corpses like puppet-masters with their necromantic powers, and they use their powerful influence to blackmail or enslave humans.**

The most dangerous and powerful nekomata live deep in the mountains, where they prowl in the shape of wild cats like leopards and lions. They grow to incredible sizes, many meters long, and prey on other large animals such as wild boars, dogs, bears, and of course humans."

[pulsar saffron]

My theory: Rafael is a moving island do thats why you need the 4 road ponogliffs it's probably that massive turtle island thing

[gusty basin]

there's nothing to support your theory
but i agree

[torn sluice]

So Capone bege already went to laugh tale? Lmao

[winter ocean]

Now I’m imagining one of them with an asce like tattoo

[eternal cloud]

Alright guys here is my personal theory, do let me know if you guys have any contentions or identify gaps.

The theory is that Imu and Joyboy are the same person. They are the split will/personality of Davy D. Jones.

I've been thinking of this for a while but especially since chap 1122 when imu falls bc of joyboy's haki. Imu felt physical pain and was shook af and trembling, and the recent scream from the anime was also crazy.

Theres a bunch of dual nature themes in one piece too:

• domi reversi flipping people
• popularly noted hakuba/cavendish split, similar eyes to imu.
• vegapunk's satellites and yorks betrayal
• the abyssal tattoo's taking over people's evil sides. Harald in 1169 struggling w split personalities.

Oda is emphasizing really hard how personalities can split, people's wills can be overridden and someone becoming their own opposite.

originally the theory and the themes added up in my head but davy jones is a complication. but I think I've got a resolution.
Davy Jones is the original name. Joyboy was what people called him. During void century war, he changed and his joyboy nature changed. Joyboy's will within davy jones died. But the biological person survived and became imu.
I know Nerona Imu is said to be the king of one of the 20 kingdoms that joyboy fought, but maybe this is propaganda to cover up, or maybe davy jones after joyboy's will died within him stole imu's identity. Not sure fully here.

The strawhat that Imu keeps is his own old hat. Imu fears luffy because it is the re-incarnation of his own old will.

thoughts?

[earnest glen]

whoa, my guess in August, the direction was kinda right, but ig I put too much importance on the fruit role. Still waiting what was that about

[hardy trench]

Sounds legitimately insane but a cool kind of insane

[wet spoke]

what if all the strawhats are like inherited wills of past joyboy crew members Emet is Franky and maybe Zunesha might be Chopper or a crew member we dont know yet. Also Because zunesha's height in the manga chnages a lot maybe we can assume she might be the will of the thousand sunny and she acted as like a transporter/ship for joyboys crew.

[lapis tapir]

this is what I think what the one piece is, The one piece probably liberates who ever finds it / sees it because it was joyboy who was the warrior of liberation who put it there and also luffys dream is about being as free as possible/ being liberated which is why he got the fruit that lets you do anything you want / being the most free which could also explain why Roger laughs as the warrior of liberation is to bring smiles to all and it will also liberate the world which is what joyboy luffy and nika wanted ( correct me if I’m wrong )

[sudden heart]

Just thought of something. You know Eblaf is based off of Norse mythology. What if the devil fruit that Loki had gotten was Surt? The bringer of Ragnarok? A fire demon that could be considered a sun god?

[hasty remnant]

WAITTTTT

SO ALL THIS TIME SHANKS LOSING HIS LEFT HAND IS INTENTIONAL?!!

As there's been a sealed mark in his left hands or left shoulder from IMU when he serve as kinght????

He dare to do that to avoid a domi reversi??

[broken seal]

Domi reversi is a different type of coercion. As he was, Shanks could have been mind controlled by Imu if he was in close proximity

[hasty remnant]

I mean.. imu can BE ANYWHERE, she can teleport tho? It's still annoying

[broken seal]

It’s such an extremely low risk. Even deploying an elder to the surface is a big deal. You’re not going to run into Imu on accident; he’s going to be surrounded by marines or CD’s or gods knights

[sage nymph]

Im still not convinced shanks purposely let his arm get eaten, remember this happened at the very beginning of one piece i dont think oda planned this that far, i think we should give the seaking some credit here lol

Anyway i think shanks just planned on staying away from imus range and didnt plan on losing a arm at all, and losing the arm by saving luffy was just fate and also very convenient, convenience for the dawn is very strong in one piece i think we all know that, and shanks saw it as fate too and a oppurtunity to make the next joyboy and gave luffy the hat to return to him to inspire luffy to become a strong pirate and awaken the nika fruit

[brazen bridge]

Does anyone have a theory on what the devil fruit is that Loki is going to take? I might be late to the party

[tame hollow]

Zous punishment is for him to not return to his human form
He has the elephant fruit

[sage nymph]

I dont have a theory but, whatever it is, it has to be very powerful for harald to be confident that it can stop him, so it either has to have a huge damage output or a ability that can heavily incapacitate someone in a way, honestly i hope its not a norse myth zoan fruit, that seems too predictable

I guess a theory is its a zoan thor thor fruit since, thor is very well known because of marvel and most people arent familiar with the other norse gods like thor, plus ragnir hammer etc it has to be thor, maybe one piece has a version of thor like sengoku and budda, this thor figure may have been a revelant person during the void century or maybe before that, in the first world

[proud escarp]

I believe Imu somehow possessed Nefertari D. Lili with a devil fruit power that's the opposite of Luffys giving Imu 2 devil fruits like that of Black beard. Possibly marking them to be controlled/corrupted or just enhanced in a "deal with the devil" fashion. I think Xebec made this deal or received this mark. Joyboys Haki reverts that corruption. Immortality seems to be a common theme with those who are given powers by Imu. I also believe Nefertari D. Lili has a logia devil fruit power that has complete control over water hence why he chose her to be a vessel. I think this power was enhanced to the point of being able to control water across the world. The Umibozu are just water giants controlled by Imu. He can enhance those people by using his original power in conjunction with Lilis. Devil fruit users are capable of swimming, but Imu pulls them down when they sense the users in water. Like a constant use of their ability in the back of their mind. I think whenever there is a fight between Luffy and Imu, Luffy will fall to the sea and find himself swimming when Imu is defeated and Lili turns to dust. I don't think Imu will die until Luffy liberates literally everyone with his liberation haki as Imu can live on through anyone with his mark and this haki seems to be the only thing that seal which explains why Imu has gone to this extent to remove Luffys devil fruit from the equation.

[scarlet owl]

i think its the same devil fruit that luffy ate, somehow loki was not able to ate it or the fruit rejected him.

[waxen token]

I am kinda new here, and maybe it is an old theory, but who else here thinks, that choppers devil-fruit might not just be just a basic Hito-Hito Nomi without any model, no ancient, no mythical or whatever. Because it would be absolutely plain and useless if a human accidentally ate his fruit, and that is why i refuse to believe that it is only that. Maybe one day when he awakens we will find out. What do you think?

[waxen token]

Maybe it is the Hito-Hito Nomi, mythical Zoan, Model: Surtr, in north mythology, Surtr is a fire-giant who brings an end to the World / Ragnarok, you know that?

[eager sedge]

Yeah I was thinking the same

[errant thicket]

maybe thats the other sun god nika. they mentioned nika destroy world before.

This post is 1 year old.
https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePieceSpoilers/comments/1g71h8l/the_legendary_devil_fruit_is_the_hito_hito_no_mi/

[unique cairn]

Every time I see him I think, "captain john isnt not getting over the allegations of being Smoothie's dad"

Big Mom you Slag!

[hasty remnant]

hahaha yeah, bless the seaking, at least shanks can get away from such cursed

[sage nymph]

Wasnt that the fire god that was in ragnorak where thor was like, "i cant defeat you, but he can" to hela

That'll be cool but idk if fire is good for elbaf, fire is elbafs biggest weakness, maybe thats why its a forbidden fruit lol

Based off of Surtr

[mighty moon]

He didn't have the contract where imu can control him Shanks dipped before he got it. Then it was given to Harold. Plus it wasn't even Oda's idea to get rid of shanks arm that was an editor idea think the tat was just a clever retcon

[sage nymph]

Just a quick prediction/theory i just thought of about ragnir and the legendary fruit

I think ragnir was made in the void century and with the advanced technology back then being greater than vegapunks, was fed a devil fruit and whatever the fruit might have been,the fruits power compels itself to protect another fruit or soul, elbafs fruit which might be the fenrir fruit with fenrirs soul in it

from the claw marks at aurust castle im more confident the fruit is the fenrir fruit, anyone with knowledge of norse myth can probably think of whatever figure would be loyal to or would protect fenrir, idk much about norse stuff

Anyway ragnir now sees loki as fenrir or maybe even the legendary fruit just lets loki summon and command fenrir too instead of transforming into fenrir, pokemon fenrir

Maybe explainsnwhy somehow ragnir is still by lokis side while chained in the underworld, however it happened with imprisoning loki i dont think anyone could have prevented ragnir from staying by lokis side ragnir probably fucked them up for trying lol

imagine a sad backstory involving inanimate objects lol

[light bone]

Funkfreed (that sword) has the elephant zoan

[charred quail]

Is the One Piece the national treasure of the ancient kingdom? I know alot of kingdoms seem to have that in common.

[wicked lava]

Maybe captain johns treasure is the Mary geiouse treasure, so imu destroyed god valley because of John, not rocks

[eager sedge]

I think :

In the ancient kingdom, the ruler or soon-to-be ruler was Davy Jones and his brother must have been IMU and the king must have had some of his loyal ministers or servants who were very dear to the king Davy like Oden had his disciples with him also King Davy must have had some type of conflict with other 20 kingdoms and Imu took advantage of this conflict and killed the King and get the 20 kingdoms under his alliance with offering them some benefits like we see in present time, they are living in the marie jois and all of that benefits.

Joyboy must have been King Davy's best friend who wanted to be free from this daily struggle of survival set sail on his ship and move around the world for adventures. He and King Davy must have been equally strong and all that.

If we talk about Nefertari Lily, she must have loved King Davy or Joyboy but Imu loved her, so that's why she pretended to be on IMU's side but in reality was on Joyboy and King Davy's side all along.

When Joyboy found out about the betrayal of IMU and the news of the murder of his best friend, he hurried back to the ancient kingdom finding all the armies of the 20 kingdom fighting against the single person, i.e., JoyBoy.

When Joyboy got unfortunately defeated, there must have been a prophecy of his return or someone's arrival who will inherit the same powers and will as JoyBoy. Listening this prophecy, Lily spread those poneygliphs around the world hoping that the next JoyBoy should be make aware of the situation of the past.

The loyal servants of King Davy took an oath that they will not rest until they will defeat IMU and make someone from the Davy clan king again.
And these loyal servants added a letter D (Davy) in all of their names in the memory and for loyalty to their true king Davy Jones. And this makes the birth of the D. clan.

It's being true to some extent

Like Davy D Xebec calling Davy Jones as True King of the world and Imu saying he was not king even for a moment (angrily).

And Xebec saying The will of Davy

I think the overall plot is gonna be like this what I just said

It's just an assumption.

[tame hollow]

model long limbed elephant

[charred quail]

Here me out here

What if the Onepiece, or maybe even the national treasure of Marijois is the heart of Davy Jones. Maybe that's why you need the OpOp fruit to use it. Or to get it out

Although I think that might be the treasure of Marijois. I think the Onepiece is, essentially...the true motherflame

[eager sedge]

Why would Roger crew laugh while looking at a heart?

[charred quail]

I'm thinking that the heart is the national treasure of marijois. Not the One Piece. For the reason you stated and others.

[eager sedge]

What do you think about this theory?

[charred quail]

I read it and I dunno. Pretty descriptive to get everything right in that theory. Although I am curious about something. Like the "color of the supreme king" makes me wonder if that is something related to Davy Jones.

I do think we will eventually get a flashback from that time. When more of the story is out in the open.

[eager sedge]

Nah that's just probably a name given to it, since it's seen in individuals having the potential or those aspiring to be a ruler or king.

[dawn hemlock]

Has anyone really given a thought about imu's contracts. After latest chapter we get some info from shanks that make you think about the limitations of said contract. Shanks severs his own arm to get away. But do we truly know if thats enough, maybe its put on your soul so its not enough to sever a lim. I only say this now because imu might use it in the final war. Also another thing about the deep sea contract. This could mean that someone like Zunesha the giant elephant had a contract and imu instructed him to roam the grand line.. what are the limitations of thoose contracts...

[cobalt frigate]

I think Dragon is the man marked by flames. Not only does he have red marks on his face and rides a blackish ship, which was said to be in the possession of the man marked by flames, but I also just saw a video about the origin of the term kamikaze, which made me think:
back in history, when the Mongolians tried to invade japan, their ships were destroyed twice by a large cyclone, sinking most of their ships. now these cyclones were so convenient, that the Japanese thought they had been sent by god. therefore they were called kamikaze, divine wind. Dragon's assumed ability is connected to the wind, as we could see in logue town and in grey terminal on dawn island. 1) wind creating whirlpools and sinking ships, 2) riding a black ship, 3) marked by flameS (multiple brandings, since they are red - they are similar to the sun pirates' mark, which are brandings), 4) was associated with the Navy/WG (what Shiryu proposed), certainly had knowledge of the poneglyphs due to the Ohara incident and his friendship with Vegapunk.

[cobalt frigate]

Kamikaze can also be split up into kami = god/lightning and kaze = wind. in logue town, luffy was saved by both lightning and wind, and Dragon was there.

[old raft]

something I've been thinking lately. what if the abyss marks are a method to create haki as strong as joyboys haki somehow? or recreate his level of power and use it for their own purposes? I think it would also explain how joyboys actual haki disrupted the gorosei summoning, plus how different the haki felt to gaban from the throne room since the mark was there that day as well

[light bone]

I think the severing of his arm was enough because it was the Shallows contract. You don't seem to get the regeneration until you have the Depth contract.

[wicked lava]

Cuz of joyboys story, like how joyboys and imu fought over lily. Cuz that’s a funny story similar to godvalley how the war started because everyone loved shakky

[eager sedge]

Nahhh, no one's gonna laugh at the death of the great kingdom, that would be dark😶

[wicked lava]

ehh na cuz it was 800 years ago, I would laugh at that ☠️

[dawn hemlock]

Yes, thats what i thought when we were introduced to the mechanics of the contracts. I was just thinking it's possible that theese contracts go deeper. It's a mark on your soul hence getting rid of the tattoo is not enough but we will see

[charred quail]

Well yes, but the incident on God Valley started because of alot of things.

The celestial dragons and the holy knights coming down for such an atrocity as the human hunt. Some very soon to be impacted slaves leaking out the information of what was going on.

Then you got Morgans being the only one really allowing the outcome of that leak.

And with the descendants of the Davy clan being there. There was so much going on. With the symbol of the D clan name still hiding among it all.

Sorry, I'm just listening to this epic one piece OP and it's making me think about how so much that happened on God Valley, shaped the way the Onepiece world is now.

[lean shadow]

I wonder if shanks already showed us how to escape imu powers.
He let his arm be cut,so maybe the way to defeat the knights is to do the same.
Cut out the mark and they cannot regenerate anymore.
Could be the same with rocks,potentially there is a mark where he was stabbed by imu that controls him.
Maybe it works on those that have a strong will more than those that dont.
Imagine imu turning luffy,zoro,sanji and jinbe into demons and weakling shs have to stop them.

[fleet sable]

Theory
What if all the admirals have a low level contract with imu and the gorosie that's why when Saturn told kizaru to kill vagapunk he did it even when he didn't want to and aokijis Mark was on his leg so he told sakazuki to amputate it in their fight so he can be free and go under cover as a sword agent without the government orders

[iron current]

Interesting but considering Imu wasnt close to Kizaru I dont think he was forced to kill VP

[fleet sable]

Yeah But Saturn was

[iron current]

But Saturn isn't Imu

[fleet sable]

Remember shanks said "their" meaning not just imu

[iron current]

"Their" because he only knows the person as "the great one"

[fast goblet]

Their is just a neutral pronoun for when you don’t know the gender of the subject

[fringe hemlock]

Harald is a sleepwalker rn! His personality switched right after he was knocked out, just like Cavendish in 734. Also, in this state, his mouth doesn’t open when he talks, which is a detail Oda himself said he tries to keep consistent. Its like Imu is speaking through him, hence why he relinquishes his identity. This is also probably why Gunko’s face covering matters so much, we can never tell if her mouth is open when she’s talking, and thus if she’s in control at all. She also, like controlled Harald, seems to have inaccessible memories.

[simple python]

why is imu on the reflection of kuzans glasses in chapter 699 so many mysteries

[civic forge]

Imu turning one of the shs sounds plausible. Oda also says one of the shs gonna die and that probably were the case.

[granite surge]

He either found out on his own, or found out through dragon. Which is why he’s with the blackbeard pirates, they’re going to imu the fastest

[wide atlas]

What if the man marked by flames is someone from the Void Century, specifically Davy Jones in the Flying Dutchman (pitch black ship) Instead of vanishing from history, he has been biding his time, guarding a Poneglyph and waiting for someone worthy to inherit his will and continue the fight against Imu.

Now that we know the Covenants seal grant an immortal body, it would explain how he has survived for centuries. If his immortality was enforced through a Covenant seal tied to Imu, burning himself with the Mother Flame could have been his way of breaking that seal. That act would not only leave him permanently scarred, earning him the name man marked by flames, but also serve as a direct act of betrayal against Imu.

[lean shadow]

I feel like its gonna be something different or similar to pirates of carribean.
Maybe as long as the body part of the person is intact with the seal the person has immortality.
I can see potentially nefetary lily hiding a part,maybe heart of davy jones just so he can survive and he has been hiding somewhere underneath the sea.
It wouldnt surprise me if all the sea kings are actually his pets and that they know where he is.
And davy jones of course has to be son of the former world.

[raw scarab]

⦁ Harahettania tried to summon Lord of Demons, brook arrived
⦁ Lord of Demons was said to have blood stained hammer of Justice by Harahettania humans
⦁ Oars referred to as a Demon Lord, and might have connections to Galleila
⦁ Galleila the Warhammer warrior giants
⦁ Elbaf calles redline the blood stained serpent
⦁ Ancient Warhammer in Elbaf (Ragnir)
⦁ Loki could obtain the Surtr/Hades fruit. That is king of the earth/underworld. Or Earth God.
⦁ If Loki has Surtr/Hades fruit, then it makes sense he could use and command Pluton (pluto). This is similar to how Poseidon commands Neptune. Galleila may have made an ancient weapon specifically for their sovereign to use. All this 'bloodstained' talk to connect loki, red line and potentially pluton. Also why Shanks wants to make sure Loki meets Luffy.

[fringe plover]

I have a theory Ragnir is the hammer of the Ark Maxim's Klabautermann

Since there's not much information on either of them it's not really a long form theory with evidence but the Ark Maxim is shown spreading lightning on the mural and both the Ark and Ragnir are majorly associated with lightning

Also the Ark Maxim being so big suggests it was made for giants like Loki, who wields Ragnir, so I wouldn't be surprised if Ragnir happens to be the hammer of a giant Klabautermann who lived on the Ark Maxin back then

[raw scarab]

Isn't thr ark maxim a very new creation?

[pure tusk]

enel didn’t create the maxim he’s smart enough because of birkan weather science and he knows how it functions

It’s because enel had the blueprints already similar to pluton they were likely based down and the only issue was that enel lacked the resources to build the maxim until he got to Skypeia where they had wood and Gold. We know for sure that it was around during the void century because of the mural that was drawn 800-900 years ago

[earnest glen]

Man Marked by Flames theory
Harald survived his Viking Ship Fire Burial

It kinda dawn to me that the reason burn scar man was "marked by flame" and his ship pitch black color was because he was burned along with his ship, and there's one perfect occasion for that: Viking noble burial which typically shown as being burned along with their ship and sailing them out to sea. This is why Harald can be simultaneously thought to be dead and actually survived at the same time

There's a lot of deliberate hints throughout this flashback: the fact that Harald is already rumored as "monster of the mist", something that currently has no payoff unless he's not dead. Shiryuu speculating him as agent of the government, which was partially true because Harald was Holy Knight. Why the rumor circulate among pirates because Harald was targeting pirates. Harald has connection to Neptune, previous holder of 4th poneglyph, and much hints that Mosa is Shirahoshi or someone from Fishman Island.

Also the one that surprised me the most was how perfect it was for Shanks timeline. Shanks declared to Beckman that it's time for them to chase after One Piece post-Wano, but it requires him to seek out Man Marked by Flames to get the poneglyph copy. And then the next scene we see him, he talked about how he spent time talking to "an old friend" who thought each other was dead. The one that perfectly fits the bill is Harald: Shanks thought he was dead and Harald avoided civilization due to fear that his mark will go berserk again

[bright pollen]

my current thoughts on the story of the void century war.

forbidden sun = eternal flame = infinite energy source
the ancient kingdom owned the eternal flame and wanted to share its power. so they made big batteries for other nations and made a ship that could go around charging those batteries.

Pluton was the first one. joyboy was its captain
uranus was a second pluton-like ship but it could fly allowing them to travel to places inaccessible by sea.

The way they work is you first charge the massive batteries on them and then go around charging the smaller batteries of each nation.
both were built by the galleila giants

other nations were rightly concerned about having to rely on the ancient kingdom for energy and feared pluton and uranus as they could be used in destructive ways. (Think enel and arc maxim, you could use the lightning to charge things up or to attack)

Imu conspired with 19 other kingdoms to steal uranus. they did so which started a big war. fearing the worst joyboy had asked the galleila giants to build a ship capable of transporting the eternal flame (the source of uranus' power), this transport ship is known as the noah. joyboy stole the eternal flame and with the help of poseidon and the sea kings transported it to a safe place and left the noah to fmi to wait for the day it would be needed to move the eternal flame again. this heist got him labeled as a pirate.

joyboy couldnt risk the pluton ending up in imu's hands so he told the people of wano to not only hide it but to make poneglyphs to guide the future generations in case he lost.

In the end joyboy lost and imu was left with uranus but as he didn't have the eternal flame he could not recharge it and was forced to wait until vp invented the mother flame.

[midnight valve]

i have a theory a stupid theory but its a theory what if the gum gum fruit is in the chest loki is about to open and shanks some how got it before loki did and shanks gave loki a diffrent fruit like one of the fruits at the god valy incident since all 9 haveint been reveld yet pluse the fruits at the god valy incedent were all said to be legindary fruits

[earnest glen]

dangit, I just realized what caused the whirlpools, it's also shown in Harald's flashback!! It was his freaking boogers!!
Nobody realized the size of his ship because he doesn't let anyone come near his ship

[fringe plover]

It's shown on the mural and it isn't said to have been built recently at all. If anything I think it may have been refurbished but nothing explicitly says built

[earnest glen]

the biggest mystery that could strengthen or weaken the case of Harald = Hinokizu is when did Loki start speaking with Mosa and who gave the Den Den Mushi to him and why? For me, if the long time Loki said was a misdirection, and they actually just been in contact for a month, then it's possible that it was Shanks who gave the Den Den Mushi to Loki. Afterall, he's the only one we know of that visited Loki. Shanks was given that Den Den Mushi by Harald when Shanks seek out the Hinokizu post-Wano. The other pair of that Den Den Mushi was given to Neptune 14 years ago when Harald visited FMI to acquire the 4th poneglyph.

So the timeline goes like this: post-Wano (about a month ago?) Shanks declared he's chasing after One Piece. He seek out Hinokizu and found him as Harald, his thought-to-be-dead old friend. Harald then gave him his Den Den Mushi and asked Shanks to check on Loki. It's for this reason that Shanks then visited Elbaf, went to Underworld, and gave Loki that Den Den Mushi. By coincidence, Shirahoshi was given that Den Den Mushi by Neptune, the two then were in contact and Shirahoshi start telling him the story of Reverie, that happened during Wano arc. This is what Loki meant by an act of fate.

[honest fog]

I assumed Mosa was Jarul lol cuz the transponder snail looks like him

[wanton tangle]

Wasn’t sure what chat this falls under so posting it here also.

Is loki stronger than rocks post devil fruit?

I ask for thoughts on this cause we’ve seen harald and rocks clash as equals.

Then as harald is turning we see pre devil fruit Loki clashing with him as what appears to be an equal

As he’s turning he tells Loki he will need the fruit after he turns.

So is pre devil fruit Loki on the same power level as harald and rocks?

Post devil fruit what kinda power level is this guy actually on?

Would that make Loki the strongest in the verse currently?

[raw scarab]

We don't know the ark maxim is shown in mural. That could be another ship, or what maxim was based off of. We do know Enel had a large group working on it for 6 years.

[fringe plover]

Yeah, "working on it for 6 years" is a valid way to refurbish a ship that's been out of service for at least a millennia.

And either way, the ship is Enel's Ark Maxim and the suspiciously Ark Maxim looking drawing on the mural are both heavily related to lightning itself. And now that I think about it, pluton, although not related to lightning quite yet, does seem to have warranted a hammer as strong as Ragnir in order for the Klab to be able to fix it. So the Ark Maxim, Mural Ark, and Pluton are all fair game for Ragnir to be the hammer of the Klabautermann of.

[fringe plover]

I revised it and I think this is the timeline for the hammer if it is the Klab's hammer. And it being the hammer of the Ark Maxim seems the most likely right now. Imma revise it rq..

[fringe plover]

RAGNIR IS THE HAMMER OF THE ARK MAXIM'S KLABAUTERMANN

• The Ark Maxim's Klabautermann in the First World is active and alive, using it's monstrous hammer to fix away at a ship that warrants this power.

A figure of the Ark Maxim is portrayed on the mural producing a lightning bolt.
Enel's Ark Maxim is also heavily related to lightning,
Both instances of the ship are a perfect fit to have Ragnir used on them by the Klabautermann for repairs.

• The Ark Maxim goes out of commission and ends up in Skypeia.
• After sitting there for thousands of years, the Klabautermann gives up fixing the Ark Maxim. It dies and it's spirit becomes dormant and is trapped inside of it's hammer... WHICH IS WHY ENEL'S UNDERLINGS HAD TO WORK ON THE SHIP FOR 6 YEARS.

It being trapped inside of Ragnir would explain Ragnir moving by itself.
The Devil Fruit argument doesn't make sense in this case since Ragnir displays all of it's powers without transforming, contrary to other DF-using objects

• The horned (Ancient?) giant that roamed Skypeia over 2-4 centuries ago finds the hammer the Klab left behind, names it Ragnir after seeing it's abilities, and brings it back to Elbaph.

This gives enough time for the hammer to be enshrined into Elbaph's folklore and seen as relative to the Legendary Devil Fruit, causing a monarch to pair them together in a room and lock them away.

• Ragnir is locked away for years and finds it's way to Loki after the events of the castle incident.

[sudden heart]

But we only saw Ragnir once. I would say there is a mythical zoan inside it for now.

[neat magnet]

Harald and Jarul said there is a devil fruit and also a random giant at the bar when the straw hats first hear about Loki in chapter 1130. It seems to be common knowledge in Elbaf that there is a legendary devil fruit.

[left barn]

@barren scroll

[alpine condor]

Is this the place to talk about theorist even I'm not up to date on the manga?

Those days I was thinking about, what is the one piece?, And one funny thing was thinking about, it being a place where there is a lot of ropes that Luffy will pull (in giant nika form) to make all of the island be together again

is something absurd, and funny enough, to get to the final island and saw a structure full of ropes that you should pull within a note of joy boy like "Use in 50 years" something like that xd (this has some relation with the logo itself)

I designed some images with chatgpt but can't share them haha

[fringe plover]

Us seeing Ragnir once doesn't disprove or make my theory any more unlikely anyways though

[sudden heart]

Not at all. I am not saying you are wrong, I'm saying I think it's something else. You know in the realm of guessing.

[fringe plover]

Oh ok

[sudden heart]

I just wonder if Oda would ever call back to the fairy of the boat plot line. Since DFs are the main focus as of now. You know what I mean? That's why I'm leaning towards the df mythical zoan fruit thing.

[vast pebble]

what if imu is the man with the brun scar, who creates whirl pool
just think, a man soo myth, creates whirl pool, and with burn scar? v know imu hates joyboy, what if joyboy [nika] fights imu and gave him the burn scar?

[hoary hinge]

This is a real wild theory.
Shanks lost his arm to the sea beast (purposely, assuming to lose the connection, and probably to inspire Luffy in some way) remove the mark from his hand but imagine that actually didn't do anything and in reality, the contract was actually engraved to the heart secretly and Imu purposely never bothered until the time is right to purposely increase his mark and then domi Reversi shanks
(Like I said wild theory)

[iron current]

!theories

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, power scaling, bounty predictions or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description. Posts here must be in paragraph form, preferably with evidence, not just a one line open question.

[gritty goblet]

It's prolly one of joyboys companions similar to emeth we don't know anything about him to exactly pinpoint who he is

[mighty falcon]

Alright boys I’d like to start a new type of theories list. Please post below which devil fruits you think have secret names. I’ll start

Ope ope fruit - real name mythical zoan human model sword god Ryuma

Tori Tori no mi - real name mythical Zoan Bird god model thunderbird

[obsidian glacier]

Ngl Gunko being Brook's daughter still kinda makes sense considering how even if someone points out a weird age gap between Gunko and Brook, one can always point out that Gunko is immortal

[raw laurel]

Loki df is a rooster

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/s/hsmApPR3Bf

[white bronze]

I feel like if kaido survived that lava

His df be awakened and probably gonna join luffy side

He seen imu
He building army to fight the world (imu) and thinks anyone who can defeat him is joy boy which is luffy currently

[proud escarp]

He was liberated

[ivory chasm]

that doesnt make sense

[buoyant crescent]

Just putting this out there I called Black Beard going to Mariejois to go after Imu.. The Devil Fruits weren't Fruits but Abilities that could be passed down until at some point the Nika ability holder had no-one to pass the ability on to when he was about to pass so they just decided to make the ability go into a fruit so that it could pass on to a worthy person.
Deivl Fruits are like Haki knots in a way

[silk flicker]

This could be an insane reach but I think Usopp will walk away with Ragnir as his companion after Elbaf.

Ragnir is seemingly inspired a bit by Ratatoskr a diety in Norse
Mythology, he was known for running up and down Yggdrasil (Adam tree) spreading lies between the eagle above and the serpent below.

Usopp’s character is based on exaggeration and lies as well. Usopp also fought his first devil fruit weapon user with a hammer (and defeated them with it as well) . Oda has drawn a cover photo with usopp and a squirrel napping together, also note that his pop seeds would be a fun treat for Ragnir.

There’s also the thought that Usopp is the descendant of Noland who happens to have a chestnut (that squirrels love) on his head and was also notorious liar.

There’s also a lack of a devil fruit infused weapon on the crew currently.

[lean shadow]

Considering oda has already had us thinking luffys df is something else,there is another that feels wrong.
I am talking about robins df.
Its called flower flower but thats like luffy gomo gomo so it has to be fake.
And during her last fight she has showed us a glimpse of her final form akin to nika.
So my theory is that its gonna be human human : model lilith.
If you read about lilith powers they are very similar to what robin does.
The final fight is gonna be insane.
Sun god luffy,demon lilith robin,weather witch nami(I know she doesnt have df but that's prob gonna be her nickname),demon form ashura zoro(maybe he even unlocks a different form that fits king of hell),sanji might be devil(I imagine him burning so hot that he burns everything but his skeleton and then regenerates),Brook probably has hel df or something similar(hades more likely since he is male),even freaking chopper has a weird df that feels like it will get explained further but either way he will look menacing,then franky will have a crazy weapon/robot suit and jinbe might be able to control water around him.

[analog drum]

Didn’t even bother considering a power up for usopp im dead 😭

[lean shadow]

😄
Hes just a brave man of the sea probably using lokis hammer.
And with the epithet of god what more does he need? 🙂
he already beta tested throwing a hammer with his kabuto
I bet he's gonna be known as god knight killer too

[dry cradle]

Guys omg. The DF Loki ate could be the serpent of destruction, and the legendary weapon like was around those days and somehow became a cute squirrel lol. And Loki, has its blood as well since it could’ve been a giant originally that ended up taking the power from the sun god etc and ended up as a destructive dragon in those days.

** Elbaph’s treasure is Nidhogg Fruit, which lives on world tree Yggdrasil.

Nidhogg (or Níðhöggr) is a fearsome dragon or serpent in Norse mythology that gnaws at the roots of Yggdrasil, the World Tree, residing in the misty underworld realm of Niflheim. Also called the “Corpse-Tearer,” it symbolizes destruction, decay, and the constant threat to cosmic order, feeding on the bodies of the dead and playing a role in the chaos of Ragnarök.**

** Relation between Ratatoskr (RAGNIR) & Nidhogg, Ratatoskr is a squirrel who runs up and down the world tree Yggdrasil to carry messages between the eagles perched atop it and the serpent Níðhöggr.**

Eye of nidhogg: https://preview.redd.it/eye-of-nidhogg-v0-x8b2aumbkx4d1.png?auto=webp&s=cf422fa81f07eba75f6de3054d2ecbf134727416

Eye of Loki: https://preview.redd.it/1153-spoilers-whats-the-deal-with-lokis-eyes-v0-vg0sj2xntu9f1.png?width=1049&format=png&auto=webp&s=6e3b3285ba66cc083222d5f09aadbf26b518e90f

[raw scarab]

Adding to this Loki is Surtr theory, here are my thoughts.
⦁ With Ragnir being a woodland critter with lightning powers, this may have a mink connection
⦁ We see with King that lunarians have an eternal flame. King is also able to project fire in the shape of a dragon.
⦁ Could Elbaf be guarding the god of the lunarians, Surtr the dragon? The Earth god?
⦁ That would make Loki in a way the sovereign of the minks, the lunarians and the ancient giants.
⦁ Another creature we see is the Draugr. Which are zombie giants with flames on their backs.
⦁ What if that if this is how Loki brings back the Galleila? Melt them and turn them into Draugr? Able to still think and fight.

[royal spruce]

You think ragnir is some sort of pikachu reference?

[viscid geyser]

ragnir means iron and thunder

[cobalt igloo]

@unkempt skiff it’s here

[unkempt skiff]

Thanks

[cobalt igloo]

Any time

[viscid geyser]

what if with ragnir, it’s the same thing Mjolnir it can be wielded only by the worthy. “The Gods”. In chapter 1130, he calls himself the Sun God. is it possible luffy can ? maybe maybe not

[soft urchin]

then a togedemaru reference

[dry cradle]

Bro I’m talking about this:

He ate the serpent fruit, which used to be a legendary god OR a giant used too much of some sort of power in the first world when it was discovered in which he “aborbed” the power which now is considered a devil fruit. (Passed down generations as Harold mentioned.)

[dry cradle]

? Idk it’s a bit odd… maybe they were subordinates or accomplices at one point in life.

[rough bridge]

ahhhh i seee

makes sense i guess, also cute emote btw

[obsidian glacier]

Well it didn't seem that way in the chapter fr
Kinda seemed like Gunko was either a really huge fan of Brook or his daughter, or something else which involves Gunko having insane love for Brook's music

[dry cradle]

Thank you! It’s from my twitch and discord

[dry cradle]

Yes, that can still apply to what I said. Doesn’t mean they necessarily have to be related BUT it could be true. Maybe, what happened w Shanks, happened w brook and gunko..but brook too black to be her dad no? unless she took after her mother but she should look mixed!

[dry cradle]

So u think like he’s related to the original serpent god? Has the blood of him yk?

[rough bridge]

yeah, that can definitely be related, but from what everyone's been saying, Loki's beast form looked more like a wolf, so I don't know

[tired shore]

The shadow of loki in his devil fruit did look similar to one of the things on the mural

[dry cradle]

Right? And I believe he is supposed to meet Luffy. It was supposed to happen in the first world, but different things got in the way which led to destruction. All 3 of the unique gods are supposed to be in harmony. I believe they will get rid of what’s causing the evil deeds even if it means they’d have to kill them. (They could be controlled like how Imu is doing to everyone) or they find the controller and end it which could be Imu, unless they’re also being controlled lol which is what I’m assuming

Imu is trying to not let Luffy and Loki meet in those terms like know about the history

[dry cradle]

Idk his silhouette looked similar to one of those beasts in the mural lol. But why did someone say lokis mom fucked a sleipnir lol 😭😭😭😭😭

[rough bridge]

who said that, i wanna un-read that

[dry cradle]

Loool idk I was reading “why does Loki have weird eyes” and someone had a theory of his mom fucking some Satan beast or some and she was horrified

[obsidian glacier]

Uhhhh, I'm not entirely sure where the last part of the message came from 💀
But I'm not backing down from the daughter or fan theory fr

[rough bridge]

good theory though

[outer dew]

Cross Guild(final saga theory)

1. Gecko Moria’s Return and Alliance with Cross Guild

Gecko Moria joins Cross Guild (because of personas connection to Mihawk) and resurrects ancient giant shipwrights from Punk Hazard using his Shadow-Shadow Fruit.

The reason I say this is because Blackbeard knows of the ancient weapons and knowing his personality from when he killed for the darkness fruit and ended Whitebeard life for the quake fruit he will try to at least acquire one which will most likely be pluton because I find it hard for the straw hats not to protect Shirahoshi

I also believe that this is very likely because currently cross guild is a paper castle because they have very little strong people so Moria joining makes sense because of perona connection to Mihawk and wanting to get protection from a emperor only another emperor like buggy would keep Blackbeard from going after him.

2. Potential Recruitment of Former Warlords

I could also see former warlords like Edward Weevil by saving him from marines and boa Hancock by making a deal to protect Amazon lily from the marines in exchange for working with them in order to stop marines because Rayleigh is strong but age wears him down.

Doflamingo is uncertain

3. Buggy’s Evolution as an Emperor

Also for buggy this is extremely unlikely because no evidence but he has the potential to awaken conquers haki, observation and armament haki and awaken his devil fruit dice dice fruit though it is extremely low odds so far but he has to stop being the joke character because he is a emperor now he has to at least back it up somewhat. Because the only thing supreme is his luck so far.

4.Captain John’s Treasure

Lastly Buggy will get captain John’s treasure and use it to further boost the power of cross guild for the final war since he has the map and armband.

Thoughts?

[hazy tangle]

Does anyone have Buggy theories, he just hangs around too much to not be something or someone of significant importance, like how’d he even end up with Roger and crew

[outer dew]

I would like to say buggy would awaken conquers Haki or awaken his devil fruit or has a important back story but so far alI i see is a weak pirate misunderstood as strong

[hazy tangle]

He’s definitely the butt of a lot of jokes and seems to always just get in lucky situations. I’d hope he has an awakening too. I like his character and I like how fond Shanks is of him

[outer dew]

Blackbeard Crew Theory(final saga)

1. A Crew with Untapped Potential

I currently believe Blackbeard’s crew is still relatively weak, even with their Devil Fruits. Because most of them obtained their powers recently, they haven’t fully mastered them yet. Once they gain more experience, I think many of them will awaken their Devil Fruits, which would turn the crew into a truly serious threat.

2. Completing the Trinity: Paramecia, Logia, and Mythical Zoan

As for Blackbeard himself, there’s still a strong possibility that he could acquire one more Devil Fruit. When he fought Boa Hancock, he clearly wanted her power for himself, which suggests he may still be aiming for a third ability. If that happens, it would likely be his final Devil Fruit and probably a Mythical Zoan, since he already wields a Paramecia and a Logia. Whether or not he would awaken all three is uncertain, but even without awakenings, having three powerful Devil Fruits combined with strong Haki already makes him extremely dangerous.

3. The Ancient Weapons and Blackbeard’s Next Target

Lastly, now that Blackbeard has knowledge of Poseidon and Pluton, he may attempt to obtain one of the Ancient Weapons. However, I can realistically only see him going after Pluton. His main ship was destroyed during his fight with Law, and trying to fight the Mermaid Princess underwater would be a terrible matchup for him and his crew.

Thoughts?

[outer dew]

Red hair pirates (final saga)

1.red haired pirates

I believe they are the picture of power as an emperor crew since they are the most well balanced crew of the four in terms of power.

So no personal ideas for power ups

Thoughts?

[outer dew]

Straw hat crew (final saga theory)

Straw hats definitely need a power up because only 4 people on the crew are definitely emperor level crew-mates.

1. Luffy
   Needs better handling of gear 5 and needs to learn how to kill immortals with conquers haki.

2. Zoro
   Need to train his conquerors haki and blacken his blades. I cannot say whether he will replace kitestu the 3rd but he either needs to get 1 more great grade blade like nidai kitestu or turn it into a devil fruit weapon because it won’t even be great grade blade if it blackens and the others will be supreme grade.

3.Sanji
He desperately needs to awaken conquers haki as one of the wing of the pirate crew. I also am hoping because oda said sanji genetic mutation is done yet that he will awaken further abilities.

4.Jinbe
Haven’t seen full extent of his abilities but what I will say he could get advance armament haki like internal destruction since he can cover himself with armament haki and develop new fishman water controlling techniques.

5.Brook
He desperately needs armament haki for his sword even if it’s not advanced grade basic armament haki will help. Although it seems less likely him learning observation haki will also work too. Lastly he needs to awaken his devil fruit power though I wouldn’t say how it will affect his surroundings it would be useful.

6 Franky
Him learning armament and observation haki would be very useful but I’m more inclined towards armament haki than both. But I believe that his real power up is that vegapunk Lilith will upgrade him to the strongest cyborg and fix his human back weakness too. Also I feel like that ancient lab will be useful for upgrading general Franky too

7.Robin
I feel like robin will awaken her devil fruit power and finally get armament haki and with a lower possibility of awakening observation haki.

8. Chopper
   I feel that chopper will learn armament haki main though their is a lower possibility of gaining observation haki too. Though manly I feel like he will awaken his zoan devil fruit power and increase his medical knowledge because of the giant library and Lilith’s knowledge.

9. Nami
   I feel like she will awaken both armament haki for her weapon and observation hak because of her weather sense. Along with getting a final upgrade to her clima tact. Though the lowest possibility is getting another homie like Zeus like pandora because some brought up that nami is like the good mom to big mom’s evil and getting at least 1 more homie better represent that.

10.Usopp

Usopp needs to control his observation haki and needs to learn armament haki for his ammo like the Kuja pirates have with their bow and arrows and get a close range weapon like a hammer but I don’t think he will take Ragnir( though it is a possibility). Also he has to upgrade his slingshot with either a devil fruit or with Lilith’s help in order to make it stronger and also he need to get better Ammo because currently his ammo is weak. Lastly the most unlikely but to prove Usopp as a brave warrior of the sea in elbalf it would be interesting for him to awaken conquers haki sense he said he has it his lie could come true.

11.Thousand Sunny
I believe that Franky and Lilith will upgrade it because now that Blackbeard knows where is pluton the ship will have to get stronger to fight against it.

12. Loki
    Has a possibility of joining crew because luffy wanted 10 crew members besides himself and it would be another reason for Franky to upgrade the sunny.

Only then will the straw hats be a full emperor crew in both abilities and fighting power.

Thoughts?

[raw laurel]

Hajrudin df revealed as Surtr ? Spoiler warning https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/s/WC0RQtGM4a

[glad raft]

Binks is Joyboy 👀? And the One Piece is Sake (use to activate the mother flame)

[rustic lance]

Black Sails and Gasoline; The man with the burn scars theory.
One of the biggest mysteries what we have currently is the knowledge the last Road Poneglyph is with a person who is known as the man with burn scars on a black ship which causes whirlpools as people approach it.
I believe that Oda is going to use this to solve two of the standing mysteries of One Piece and bring in a theme from Japanese history- the Kurofune - the ships that were a source of significant political and industrial change in Japan that effectively moved the era past their design. In keeping with this theme I believe the ship will in fact turn out to be the Oro Jackson, a ship that initially changed history by beginning the great pirate era by carrying Gol D. Roger to Laugh Tale is now carrying the key to pass down to those the current helmsman deems worthy of carrying out Roger’s will. We know from Water 7 that the government have hunted down members but it has never been mentioned the ship has been found or destroyed, in fact more evidence points to Tom’s handiwork being masterclass so it is viable for it to be active 22 years later. So to protect it the current crew has painted it black; in mourning and disguise.
So who would be at the helm? Well a ship this size is likely to be more than one man but I believe the most likely candidate is Sunbell, the fishman Roger pirate, using fishman karate techniques to create whirlpools and a likely backstory of his burn scar being a removal of a slave mark by Roger himself predating Fisher Tigers Sun. This makes Sunbell someone who owes everything to Roger and lives for his dream to be fulfilled. The fishman link also ties to the fact Fishman Islands Road ponegylph is the one that’s whereabouts are unknown.
Hopefully this late night ramble makes sense!

[jade imp]

I heard a theory like at time of final battle luffy will free his allies and give all of them a nika form and he will get something more gr8 power

bro like luffy comes in top 10 strongest alive or even in top 5 strongest alive people and there are not so many people luffy has to fight like most it would be 3 to 4 character and from that 3 to 4 , zoro will handle 1 and other sanji and left one most probably loki so most probably they are close to there prime now but if we see zoro he is still weak than mihawk so how this will come to end in short time and yeah joyboy was able to over power imu so also luffy will able to do the same

[untold verge]

Maybe this is why Bogard was gone after RTW7 and wasn't present at Marineford

[pure raven]

Ay guys I have a theory: ok so we know ABT 3/4 god fruit locations 1.Imu 2.Luffy and 3. Dragon but what if the fourth one was the one piece and it had to be hidden because it was the strongest one but that's when Imu betrayed the previous ones and tried stealing the power to him/her-self

Ik this is far-fetched but still why not

[light bone]

I mean you started it off saying we know 3/4 God fruits but we know for certain. We know nothing about Imu and Dragon for certain and I don't remember them ever stating there are 4 god fruits either.

[pure root]

Loki df bight be beithir yall
A mythical creature dragon/serpent like can control lightning and spawn thunder
Legends suggest the creature's myth may have originated from the destructive characteristics of both actual serpents and the natural elements of lightning and thunder.

Well we saw loki spawn a thunder while he use his hammer like thor

If yall dont accept this then ita fenrir or krampus

[cloud summit]

I think it's far more likely to be Fenrir. It's Ragnir which controls the lightning like Mjolnr

[light bone]

Idk that one guy was right about the tattoos, I definitely think Loki has wings.

[pulsar saffron]

Its all connects to Skypiea and Enel or eneru is coming back

[shadow kestrel]

I'm not sure Luffy will be killing those with immortality. I was thinking about what could happen if they get super bent out of shape while they get hit with conqueror's haki and it may end up being super strong against them. Like Luffy doing some bs like tying someone's arms together would be much more effective than slowing healing regeneration😂 Changing their shape or ability to fight or something. This sounds really weird though, so idk if oda will do it. I just had thoughts of kaido jump rope on my mind is all😂

[lean shadow]

I have been looking at the mural too.
I wonder if the naming is literal.
Could it be that rocks was talking about the first world.
I wanna say moon and half moon describe minks and those robots eneru found and I bet emet is part of it.
So second world joyboy was nika aka the sun god.
Third and current world is now and luffy is the sun god.
So that means davy jones might have been first world sun god.
And two times sun god failed.
And joyboy must have been betrayed by his own allies which is why emet was saying sorry.
Feels like people that killed the sun and became gods is talking about celestial dragons.
Sea god must have been the former poseidon princess who rampaged cuz they killed joyboy.
One thing that I dont get is what's the connection between forrest god,earth god and mu.

[raw wraith]

Idk if anyone has said this but what if at laughtale the reason the Roger pirates said they were too early is because there's a impenetrable building there, like emeth the robot, that can only be activated/opened when it hears joyboy.

[raw scarab]

⦁ Loki's DF is a Pixiu. A dragon, lion, eagle hybrid. A legendary creature that repels demons and evil spirits and protects tombs and palaces.
⦁ It can be categorized with the other Auspicious Beasts in Chinese culture and feng shui (such as Phoenix, dragon, Qilin.)
⦁ I think this would be a creative way to have Loki be both the eagle at the top, and the dragon at the bottom of the tree. It is why the squirrel is his friend.
⦁ Feng Shui we can play a large role with his mother Estrid. The Pixiu wanting to be placed a certain way in the household in order to protect from bad spirits, but it was also a symbol of wealth and fortune.
⦁ In fact the Pixiu loved eating gold and silver, but I think Oda would retool this a bit like he did with the Qilin. But a creature with Gold and Lightning abilities would be very useful with regards to ancient weapons.
⦁ I believe Oda hinted at Loki's design earlier on one piece, when the New Giant Pirates had on their sail what looks like a dragon/lion hybrid creature. It was Naglfar, which in Norse mythology was Loki's ship.
⦁ This sail was also during the time of big-mom and lola's marriage we found out didn't work out (where Loki seemed to have the loyalty of the Giants.) I think Oda rethought Loki's story over the last 5 years, but this sail remains.

[raw scarab]

To add to the above, if people wonder why a lion mix in this. King Harald may relate to the actual King Harald, the first king of Norway, and the coat of arms for the country. The lion is the symbol of the kingdom Harald setup. It is also who is in charge of the castle in the Land of the Gods. The king of Land of the Gods that could grow in strength and size for some mysterious reason. This is why the lion/griffin connection I think exists.

[light bone]

Which brings it back to Nordic which fits with Elbaph. Great one

[versed hamlet]

Crack Theory: The Man Marked by Flames isn't a singular person. It's a group of individuals. I have 0 evidence for this but it makes sense...

Its a secret brotherhood like the Illuminati. Theyre a cabal of anti-heros in the OP verse that protect the world from certain doom (Imu) by hiding the fourth road poneglyph

The Men of the Flame.

They hide the original mother flame as well as the 4th road poneglyph

They get marked by burning their bodies with the original mother flame

Rocks and Harald are currently the shadow-leaders of the Men Marked By Flames coalition. They're still alive, waiting for Joyboy, to give the 4th road poneglyph to.

[light bone]

I originally thought it was going to be Barbell. Based on his hair do you think he had the Mera Mera fruit?

[frigid latch]

mhm

[gaunt violet]

I'd love that if the New Giant Pirates' sail is mirroring Loki's DF, nice find. It is a "legendary fruit passed down in Elbaf/Elbaph, and the island has many myths and fantastical creatures that seem to be often shared through stories (the children seemed to be familiar with various creatures, which were then manifested in their nightmares). Not too far fetched to think that the New Giant Warrior Pirates would put one of such creatures on their sails.

[raw scarab]

The other thing is this is the forbidden fruit. It sounds very similar to things like the energy steroids. Something that was given to the leaders of elbaf long ago. It is why I think it is something not necessarily linked to something directly in Norse mythology.

Griffin type creatures are not only greek related, but show up in greater europe as well.

[clever lintel]

We don't know if he ever accompanied the retrieval group

[raw scarab]

FYI - this is an area for in-depth theories, not for chat questions. #manga-serious a better area

[safe coral]

okay thank you

[raw scarab]

Adding to this:

⦁ I notice the story of Loki has links to Hephaestus, the Greek god of Volcanos, Blacksmiths, Carpenters and fire.
⦁ Often drawn with craftsman tools, like a hammer
⦁ He was deformed at birth, horrifying his mother and was cast out of Mount Olympus by his mother Hera. He eventually made a home in the underworld
⦁ There is another being in Norse mythology associated with fire and volcanos as well.
⦁ This could be someone who both heals and commands the Galleila

[boreal herald]

What do you guys think about Zoro being the strawhat in the end to die?

Why I think this:
Theories of Mihawk being related to Imu because of they are the only 2 with the same type of eyes in the series
Mark of the holy knights being related to Imu
Zoro was with Mihawk during the 2 year timeskip

But where is the mark you ask?
Zoro's Eye thats why he never opens it

Why is Zoro still with the strawhats?
Mihawk or Imu can Domi Reversi Zoro at anytime so they mightve skewed with his memories to think he has been training this whole time.

I think during the final war someone just has to get domi reversi'd because i dont see why Imu wouldnt use that technique again

What do ya'll think?

[turbid trail]

Never happening

[light bone]

I don't think so but also there are some other ringed eyed people such as Caribou.

[inland aurora]

anybody got a copy of that one theory post that got deleted. i bookmarked it to see it gone. title's "the grand treasure that unites all into one piece"

i was midway reading that but sleep overcame me

[naive delta]

Loki joining straw hat bcz in colour page straw hats and squirrels are playing (ragnir also squirrel)

this theory is only i got (if any mistake in english srry for that)

[pulsar saffron]

Nice

[granite folio]

i have a better SH to make them die,
listen , , ussop would be better coz he wanna become 'brave warrior of the sea' , i don't see him achieving this shit as he is know , either he is really gonna be unfearful in the upcoming future or he might as well die to save someone or mybe protecting someone from SH, it's the only way as of now he could become brave warrior of the sea

[left barn]

This is just a short and maybe far fetched theory but I just got to Elbaf and the Rainbow kinda peaked my interest.

Since elbaf is pretty close or have knowledge concerning the “Sun God Nika” I would like to assume that the Rainbow might be either JoyBoy’s or someone with the GumGumfruit before him who materialized the rainbow and it since then was solid

[obsidian pelican]

bro rocks has to be related to teach,im rewatching egghead and the blackbeard pirates girl said 'teach is special' and saturn said 'so is his bloodline'

[iron current]

bro is it possible that you are anime only?

[obsidian pelican]

have i missed something? lol

[abstract cloak]

if you are reading manga yes a lot lol

[ocean totem]

@outer dew I think Loki is way too powerful to join the crew at this point. He's arguably stronger than current G5 Luffy. He is definitely going to be an ally along with Shirahoshi/Shaggy

[sudden heart]

They said he has an Atypical body, so I wonder what it really is that makes me Atypical.

[outer dew]

Don’t disagree with the thought process that Loki is way to strong but I don’t know if Loki is ruling material if I am being honest because wasn’t it harudin dream to unite and be the king of all giants. So oda could follow that point by making harudin the king

And Loki wouldn’t have a reason to stay on elbalf

[ocean totem]

Thats true, and I feel like he will realize Harald's dream of changing Elbaph but not completely defenseless like Ida mentioned. Also, I don't think Loki will stay, he will be in the final war and have a major impact. He will probably end up dying along with the old Elbaph warrior culture

[sudden heart]

I think the arc is going to end with Eblaf being destroyed. Harudin is going to have to pull a Thor from Marvel and find a new home and protect the giants.

Or at least the tree will be destroyed

[outer dew]

I know this is very uncertain but I kinda hope harudin awakens his ancient giant linage but it seams unlikely

[ocean totem]

I at least hope he takes Harald's sword from Jarul

[sudden heart]

I hope the elder doesn't die because of it.

[gritty kite]

At this point powerlevel barely makes any sense. They are already fighting the strongest in the verse, there is no later time.

[ocean totem]

@gritty kite On Elbaf? I don't think Imu possessing someone isn't as strong as Imu at the Throne room. And they don't have Shamrock or any strong holy knights there that can contend with G5 Luffy or Loki, thats why Imu had to possess Gunko because there is no shot she could dance with them or even Scopper.

[gritty kite]

“They don’t have any strong holy knights” is a strong assumption. There simply aren’t any higher tiers than what they are already fighting. Gorosei and holy knights. Some might be stronger? That’s what Loki can fight then, there is literally nothing above in the verse.

Specially if you think the current knights are the weak ones, if he joins for next arc, those are the final fights.

[ocean totem]

In the most recent chapter Scopper implied that the holy knights chasing the Roger's crew didn't have conquerors haki. This is because when he was fighting Harald he said that fighting a Holy Knight with conqueror's haki was a first for him. None of them can handle G5 Luffy or Loki or even Scopper aside from Shamrock and Garling who is now a Gorosei.

[gritty kite]

Not having conquerors doesn’t mean not strong

[ocean totem]

At this point in the story it absolutely does. Especially if you're fighting the Holy KNights and Gorosei you can't even hurt them if you don't have it.

[gritty kite]

Then we only have two strong characters in the crew, they totally need Loki by your logic.

[ocean totem]

This is a problem you're right, but since Scopper has CoC who is the third strongest in the Roger Pirates, it's safe to assume Sanji will probably develop it. Additionally, the Straw Hats will not run the gauntlet against all Holy Knights and the Gorosei there are other characters who will defeat them more than likely, Revolutionary Army, Loki and especially Blackbeard. Hell I bet some of them will be defeated right now in the attack on Marijois by the RA

[dry cradle]

See this would make sense, but I believe it’s by the person who’s marked by the “flames” or like power. And there r multiple people who have been “marked by flames” we just don’t know if there’s more than one, which could be a possibility.

[light bone]

Possible candidates for "The Man Marked by Flames": Saul (debunked?), Mosa, Barbell, Squardo, Hanafuda, Urouge, Sabo, Dragon, Sogeking... anyone else?

[pulsar saffron]

Potentially dragon cuz we haven't seen under his caoe thing yet

[light bone]

Updated!

[light bone]

Possible candidates for "The Man Marked by Flames": Saul (debunked?), Mosa, Barbell, Squardo, Hanafuda, Urouge, Sabo, Dragon, Sogeking... anyone else?

[silk frigate]

I would add Harald, if he did not die.

[light bone]

He isn't related to anything with fire we have seen so far though.

[light bone]

The only hint we have is that Kidd and Law seem to know him and believe he has or knows where the last Road Ponegliff is located.

[granite surge]

The marine sengoku mentioned

[light bone]

The one mentioned right before God Valley?

[granite surge]

During god valley yea, sengoku said a marine found out about the hunts and “mysteriously vanished”

Shiryu theorized about a marine being the MMBF since that would put them in the race

And law had a strange face when kidd mentioned the MMBF and law is also connected to sengoku

[dusk mirage]

We know the dude got a name, Hinokizu and my guess is he’s a a fishman since he can somehow crate whirlpools around anyone who approaches his ship. It could also be devil fruit but from what I recall, it was taken from Fishman Island, so I feel like that only increases the likelihood he’s a Fishman, especially with the whirlpool stuff

[gleaming spoke]

Hinokizu means burn scar

[fast wing]

So, if in fact Domi Reversi only works on those in their homeland, there is a lot of wiggle room here. Does it refer to place of birth? Place where the person feels most at home or place they were raised? If it's place of birth then that makes Shanks completely immune to Domi Reversi just as it does Blackbeard. Of course if it's where home is meant to be then Shanks is screwed if he ever goes to the holy land. And if it's where one feels most at home then that likely makes it the sea for characters like Luffy.

[versed hamlet]

Id add Rocks too

[quaint cipher]

Ayyyyy so whats the biggest theories lately

[quaint cipher]

I think Imu is Nika. An entity that existed in another dimension asleep in that abyss and has escaped to our world when people dug up the Eternal Flame from the Earth core. They are an interdimensional being that is meant to keep stability and protect the planet. During the first war he possessed the 1st king of the world Davy D Nika. He then had the immortality surgery done on him so he can live forever in Nikas body to keep tabs on the D clan. He fought with the utmost freedom to stretch and do w.e. he wanted since he wasnt originally from this dimension. Since he won history saw him as a liberator. Someone who saved the world. Then thousands of years later the Ds grew again. The stories of Nika grew and people dreamed about him as well as other abilities and the devil fruits were born. The Ancient Kingdom was so advanced and powerful that if they weren't stopped they would destroy the world searching for eternal energy. Nika was this time defeated by Davy D Jones who used the black hole devil fruit to neutralize Nikas abilities. Not only did he neutralize them but he used the blackhole df to suck out his powers. He then infused those powers and put them in his giant straw hat and sealed away. The Entity needed to possess someone else since he was powerless and defeated. Imu Nerona one of the 20 kings. This Imu the one we now know of formed an alliance to defeat Davy Jones and the Ancient kingdom. When Davy jones was about to lose Joyboy was born out of the desires of the D clan. The d clan has a special ability to manifest there desires wayyyyyyyyy stronger than any other person as that is what the d stands for. Desire. The strawhat awoken into Joyboy which was a representation of what people believed Nika to be. A liberator. Joyboy was so powerful anything he wanted would manifest. A power to strong that can break

reality itself. It was up to imu and Davy jones to to team up and seal joyboy away this time they learned freezing the strawhat would seal it for good. Imu then betrayed Davy jones to become the new king of the world. Lili betrayed imu to spread the story of nika and joyboy.

[elfin steppe]

wait w theory

[quaint cipher]

Thanks!

[versed hamlet]

delete that one sentence about the other series quickly or else a mod is gonna delete this whole message

[quaint cipher]

Ok I did

[raw laurel]

You know I would like to see Loki and hajrudin have a fight seen just to air out all their issues with one another. And hajrudin is getting the crap kicked out of him, one of the straw hats tries to interfere but luffy or zoro stop them saying they both need to settle this once and for all.

Loki goes to hit haj with the hammer and hajrudin with all his frustration breaks through and uses gungnir and smacks the hammer hard enough that it turns into a squirrel and we see another lump on his head like in the last chapter

[feral ember]

What if the will of d means "Dine?" like to eat almost everyone with it in their name is very hungry

[granite folio]

from my speculations from the series, the will of D , here D is short form for a character who must have a name starting from D, or mybe known as a name starting from D, the will of D during the First world ( which i consider to be the first war even before the void century ) , the will of D must have been liberation or something which meant for them to free the world out of the ruins (currently celestial gods especially imu, previously may have been the fire serpant shown in the mural)

the mural acc. to me shows three different timelines, the first world was even before the void century , the second world could have been the void century itself, listen i have proof, they literally say the ones who slew with the sun god ( here joyboy ) betrayed themselves ( idk the exact wording ) ; it could have been with the domi reverse thing we r seeing in the manga rn , idk how but the sea god must have been provoked ( as the mural says , evoking the wrath of sea god ) hence making devil fruit users sink in the ocean , the thrid world is the world in the present timeline in which the world drifitng into abyss is saved by the sun god ( luffy here )

[raw laurel]

People say hajrudin is weak for some reason but remember he fought Machvise who are the ton ton fruit and made himself 10,000 tons heavy as he kept floating up and crashing back down into him but then hajrudin got up and with all his strength clashed with him and sent him flying into the sky, 10,000 tons is roughly = 2000 elephants.

If hajruid awakens his haki just imagine his strength

[void grotto]

I think loki ate the anubis fruit. i think that fruit gives loki the power to kill immortals. Anubis is the ancient Egyptian god of the afterlife, mummification, and the dead, famously depicted as a jackal or dog-headed man, symbolizing his role as protector of tombs and guide of souls through the underworld, especially in the crucial "Weighing of the Heart" judgment ritual, making him a central figure in funerary practices, even evolving from a primary underworld deity to a vital guardian of the transition to the afterlife.

[keen zodiac]

Theory about haki
Haki is the power of your soul
living being create haki from day 1 and until they die
how big your haki is depend on how fullfilled your live, thats why haki is also called the power of dreams, people who dreams big in result will have big haki
now lets talk about Color of haki, its called color because there is multiple hue to haki, also implied there at least 7 color of haki based on popular color/rainbow, but so far either because lack of practitioner or void of knowledge about haki there currently only 3 color of haki
Color of Armamament : is when you aware of your haki and try to weild it as power/armor, you coat part of your body with your soul power, in result you will hit harder and tougher
Color of Observation : is when you aware of others haki, and your surrounding, either by tuning your soul into the area or by perceiving nature of thing, as a result you react to the miniscule of thing, and your instinct will tell you what will happens if things moving as they are, some of the best practitioner of this arts can read the flow of the future
Color of Conqueror : Is when your soul really hate things not going they way, hence the name, practitioner will ignore causality and try to force thing to go their way they also cause weak haki to fall apart, the higher your conqueror the easier for you to win over other, practitioner of this color is mostly a brawler, Conqueror is hard to obtain because practitioner tend to be selfish, and usualy had to go through multiple life ending traumas in order to obtain it

and then there Advanced version of hakis mentioned above, just a slightly more upgraded application but not a new color

there also a rumor that a clash of haki is the easy way to grow them

the current people of the era mostly unaware that they had haki or how to grasp a color of it, there is a suspicion about informational erasure about haki itself, and currently Conqueror practitioner are said to be extremely rare

luffy unlock CoC when shanks sacrifice his arms, he hates it
also massive CoC experience gain when he poisoned and ace death

also a theory, Imu and Rocks unlock the 4th Color of haki
is when your soul is pristine it wont scatter to earth,in other word when your body perish your soul is mostly intact , practitioner of this color can stay alive even in death then continue to prolong their "live" by other means

[tawny osprey]

That would be dumb since rocks is dead

[fringe hemlock]

I think Oda is using his pink haired characters and the characters they're associated with to foreshadow Imu and Davy Jones. This started with me noticing that Zoro has had a special dynamic with most of the pink haired characters in the story, and when I gathered the pink haired characters that don't follow that pattern, I found that the characters THEY connect to were all symbolically tied heavily to Zoro. Specifically, I noticed that Big Mom's Zoro equivalents were Rocks, Jinbei, and Brook, all of whom have symbolic associations to the wani=11 pun Oda has been making for ages, which started with Zoro. De bi can be 10 1 in Japanese making 11 the goroawase for Davy (Debi in Japanese), which explains why Oda would use these symbols to build this trope. I can elaborate on everything attached, I just wanna see if anyone can see what I see when I look at this. Meant to add Harald with the sharks above Loki.

[abstract bough]

Maybe it's Don to "do things with a DON" like Cutty Flam used to say. Don is also a phrase used in nikas drums

[abstract bough]

Every major arc has a place referenced in the actual world/historical places. E.g. dressrosa = Spain. To have the viking-like culture eat an Egyptian devil fruit doesn't make sense. I think it was already established it is most likely Fenrir. But we'll see.

[ocean totem]

Here’s my theory on Laughtale. Rayleigh told us the only way to get to Fishman island was with coating their Thousand Sunny to be able to traverse the depths. Now, a lot of cultures and stories will describe the depths of the dark ocean as an abyss or something similar, I believe this was a hint at what we’re seeing now with damaging God Knights. It’s even the same term for it. You must coat yourself/weapon with conqueror’s Haki to hurt them. Or in other words traverse the abyss to reach your target. Now, I think this might also extend to laughtale. What if Imu cloaked the island in his abyss ability so no one could reach it or has a massive abyss pattern on the island to transport it away. Another option is the pirate graveyard in the Florian Triangle might just be imu’s abyss covering that massive swathe of ocean. In this case, similar to reaching fishman Island you would have to coat your entire ship in conqueror’s Haki to traverse the abyss and reach laughtale. Or a massive burst of conqueror’s Haki could dissipate the abyss revealing the light of laughtale. Everytime we see a conquerors Haki clash that split the sky it breaks the dark clouds apart revealing light. I think this is giving us a hint at gaining entry to laughtale. Roger definitely had the Haki to make this happen and it would explain why people couldn’t find it without the poneglyphs and significant Conqueror’s Haki.

[ocean totem]

No worries, this is the theory channel and it's not even that long haha

[granite folio]

it could be the case that someone ( imu probably) cas covered the island with their ability and it's impossible to find without poneglyphs

[raw scarab]

This is the theory section, this is specifically the area for this and is encouraged.

[raw scarab]

I think at a high level this could be possible (imu is somehow obscuring laughtale.) I will say, there is merit or at least inconstitency on Oda's part on how the abyss works. What I mean is that when Sommers teleports to Elbaf, his chair and other items are with him (basically a section of his living room.) This shows that inanimate materials in large quantities can move through abyss (perhaps it needs at least one person with a Mark to ignite the teleportation.) To add to this and your theory, perhaps there is a situation where laughtale was covered in abyss, and Davy Jones had a convenant symbol on his arm. This 'curse' allowed Davy and laughtale to be sent to some place Imu had been too had set-up to effectively banish it all.

[ocean totem]

I think G5 is also needed at laughtale since Roger said they were too early, Not sure how that plays into it, maybe there's machines or something there that are powered similar to emet

[pulsar saffron]

Wut if there is no 4th road ponegliff

[granite folio]

there is one as roger is seen securing all road poneglyphs, the 4th poneglyph which was originally in Fishman Island is currently with someone who is called man marked by flames

[pulsar saffron]

And these are the candidates

[granite folio]

i guess it could be an enitrely different character , and seeing his importance, no one has ever stolen a whole poneglyph ( especially a road one ) and i m excluding big mom , we dunno how she got that road poneglyph. He has kept it hidden from a whole generation of pirates that means he do knows about it's importance , he could be the guy whose silhouette was shown in that manga page where all relevant characters were shown and said that the world's destiny belongs to the one who finds one piece ( i m just under ranked i can't send that manga page ) , the guy withdrawing his sword could be that guy if it isn't shamrock and he really doesnt seam like shamrock.

i suspect that the man marked by flames is one of whitebeard's ally because before whitebeard died, fishman island was his territory , and the missing poneglyph which has taken from infact the Fishman Island. So it seems highly likely that it could be one of whitebeard's ally as he knows about the importance of one piece (from roger). As my gut feelings say gaban couldn't be that guy as the man marked by flames is said to be sailing in a black ship (and gaban isn't a sailing pirate rn)

but still dragon is the first guy which comes to my mind after thinking man marked by flames

[light bone]

I personally think it is Barbell which would explain Fishman Island and the importance. And the silhouetted man i believe is Shamrock but I'm open to being wrong

[pulsar saffron]

A black ship maybe something in the Florian triangle?

[pulsar saffron]

But we still dont knwo wuts at the top of the elbaph Adam tree. Maybe there's something there that could help

[ocean totem]

Maybe it’s the Elders/Galley La Company in the heaven realm?

[unborn raven]

lowk i think luffy himself could be a canidate

[merry fractal]

You know Kidd was the one introducing the idea that the key to the last poneglyph was to find the man marked by flames right? And he very specifically was happy to pick the route straight to Elbaf, leaving Luffy and Law to go on more circuitous routes. So no, Luffy is not a candidate. No one in Wano during the Wano arc is.

[unborn raven]

ohhh

[granite folio]

it could be there's nothing evidenting what the blackship might be

[pulsar saffron]

Elders aren't a terrible guess

[granite folio]

it could someone affiliated with world government, that would be very justified according to me, someone stopping potential pirates from reaching laughtale

[granite folio]

personally i dont really think so, but nothing's reslly in front of us to make conclusions from , little is known about him, we can just put our thoughts on what could be the best candidate

[fringe hemlock]

@slate burrow @tulip haven @cerulean vigil

[tulip haven]

Hmmm

[plain hedge]

I know this theory will get a lot of hate, but I’m ready for it.

I believe Imu, Joyboy, and a third figure (let’s call him Jones) were once sake brothers, similar to Luffy, Ace, and Sabo. One Piece has always shown that history moves in cycles, and the present often mirrors the past.

In the past, Joyboy (Nika) tried to liberate the world but failed and was ultimately defeated by Imu, the embodiment of control and oppression. That failure created a loop—Joyboy’s will keeps returning, but the world never fully breaks free.

I think this cycle is repeating in the current era. Ace and Jones died before fulfilling their dreams, just like figures from the past who carried great wills. Now, Sabo stands at the center of the conflict. Since he is the only one who has directly witnessed Imu and survived, it’s possible that Imu may attempt to possess or transfer her presence into Sabo, making him the “next Imu” or a vessel of that ancient evil.

If that happens, history would repeat itself once again.

However, Luffy is different. He doesn’t follow destiny—he breaks it. I believe Luffy’s true role is not just to defeat Imu, but to end the cycle itself, possibly by saving Sabo instead of losing another brother. By freeing Sabo from Imu’s control—or by choosing a completely new path—Luffy will succeed where Joyboy failed.

This time, the cycle won’t repeat.

It’s a wild theory

[swift cosmos]

We do need to learn how domni reversi works

[light bone]

If for any reason we head to the Goa Kingdom, Sabo is definitely getting Domi'd

[swift cosmos]

Yep

would be strong evidence for the "Only works in your homeland" theory

[plain hedge]

Well we don't even know what imu's true potential is

[twilit scarab]

Isn’t it obvious, the last island is loguetown.
The beginning and ending of Roger’s journey. The correct translation of his last words mentions the one piece is “soka” which doesn’t translate to “there” it translates to “right there,” as if the one piece was in loguetown, and the final island was loguetown.
It’s called “The Town of the Beginning and the End” for a reason.

[raw laurel]

The treasure of the holy land doffy is after is the mother flame.

https://www.reddit.com/r/onepiecetheories/s/KoFe5F3iv6

[iron current]

but arent there problems with that idea like Laugh Tale being an unnamed island til they got there, no people being there when they got there, the island being unhabitated aso

[iron current]

problem with that is they just recently got that Motherflame and when Doffy was talking about it, they havent had it yet considering the timeline

[raw laurel]

The motherflame is the power source.

I don’t know what the actual weapon is if we landed on a name, but I think the treasure is the weapon itself it just didn’t have a power source yet

[iron current]

i mean yeah but that means the treasure is the weapon and not the Mother Flame

[raw laurel]

I mean yeah same difference. You can’t have one without the other that’s why doffy was after the mera

[split spindle]

Why I think Kidd is a Rocks parallel

• Dynamic with Luffy is like Rocks and Roger, respectful but can’t stand him
• Kidd’s bounty has never been lower than Luffy’s throughout the point of the story when they both had confirmed bounties which shows that their rivalry isn’t completely a wash
• Both have the same crazy smile and wild hair
• Both were labeled as people who “kill innocents” and “massacre” by the world government but we know the reasons they do it are for more than just the fun of killing (Kidd backstory and Rocks’ whole thing about hating WG injustice)
• Kidd was the only planned World Generation member
• Both have animosity towards Figarlands

Smaller Things

• Shiki reminds me of Killer, if he comes back on Elbaf he could recruit Lilith who is like Stussy, and Law who personally I believe is a WB parallel. If he does that it could be a modern day parallel of the OG rocks pirates, and Kidd has enough influence to possibly assemble a newgen rocks crew by recruiting WG members
• Both Jolly Rogers have flames
• He has conquerors which could assist in fighting holy knights
• Rocks is a Davy and Kidd is currently at the bottom of the sea like Davy Jones’ Locker (as far as we know, and yes I know this is a stretch but I thought it was neat)

[raw laurel]

I have had the exact same thoughts

[raven cosmos]

Go ahead do bit of research and you would cook a pretty good theory from that rough sketch in your mind. Also I also think Kidd might be Davy's descendant.

Added your points to my notes tab. Gotta keep eye on those ☺️.

Also in above comments someone talked about 4th road poneglyph being at Elbaf. I also kind of agree with that and feel that the last poneglyph or at least man with burn scar may have somekind of link with elbaf otherwise why would Kidd go towards elfbaf also Shanks after declaring to getone piece went towards elfbaf(sorry If anyother reason for shanks going to elbaf wqs mentioned my memory is weak hence I don't remember it). I am very excited for upcoming chapters there so much left to happen in this arc despite already being top 5 arc already (it being in top5 is jus my opnion you are free to disagree)

Also can elbaf arc turn out to be the best one piece arc so far?

[swift cosmos]

I assumed the Poneglyph big mom has was form elbaph

[raven cosmos]

In that case I would be wrong which I guess was obvious cause I talked about possibility without much research

[swift cosmos]

Seriously needs to be asked in an SBS

[iron current]

You dont think people ask those those questions? They just dont get picked

The last one missing is the one which was at FMI during Rogers time, one was at Totoland, one in Wano and one at Zou and the last one is the one "the man marked by flames" is supposed to transport around on his ship with black sails

[swift cosmos]

The reason I asked that is because it would be Intrestibg to know where Lily put Big Mom's Poneglyph

[raw laurel]

If you want I can send you my theory, I had the exact same thoughts but have some done some research into it

[raven cosmos]

I would love to read your theory

[raw laurel]

Thanks I dm you I like adding images to the text and the 1 minute time limit is a pain

[iron current]

i mean you can always post your theory and then have a discussion about it in #manga-serious but obviously you can also do it in the dm's as you like

[raw laurel]

Ahhh i didn’t know you were allowed to post theories there

[iron current]

the best thing is to post it here and then you can just copy the message link and talk about it in manga serious

[red comet]

Theory: Would the species on the Moon give Enel and edge strength wise and knowledge wise? Make him stronger through cybernetics, and give him the truth of everyone's existence on the planet.

taking from this the civilizations tech is waaaay beyond anything on the planet, plus stolen tech from the space pirates.

[pure raven]

Can I see the theory if you don’t mind, it sounds interesting

[split spindle]

I believe once you eat a devil fruit, it BECOMES your heart.

So we know how in one piece the sea hates the sea devils and that’s why devil fruit users can’t swim, but how is it measured when you start drowning and when you’re safe? Well know that if you get rained on or if you’re like not majorly submerged, you’ll still be able to move.

Well I personally believe that the devil fruit becomes your heart and when your heart is submerged that’s when you can’t move.

There are some other things that contribute to this

• When Luffy fights Lucci (at least in the anime) when he asks Luffy to show him gear 5, the gum gum fruit is shown to be beating like a heart
• When Joyboy talks in Fishman island the way his voice is displayed looks like a heart monitor
• When Blackbeard steals Whitebeard’s fruit, Whitebeard has a hole in his stomach, maybe to take the fruit he just grabbed in his stomach while under the black cover and grabbed his heart, which was now the quake fruit
• Could explain why Blackbeard has multiple devil fruits, because he may have multiple fruits.
• Could explain why you can’t have more than 1 devil fruit, because the two devils would battle inside your heart and destroy it

[raw laurel]

All ready.

https://discord.com/channels/164970986284777473/1457516012546035868

[stuck token]

https://youtu.be/NFIZmsfQO8k?si=wEmEGAuaElo8X_FN if there's any zoro vs sanji ,have fun with this

[serene patio]

Both joyboy and Luffy had a robot and a massive animal on their crew.

[opal rapids]

Ye

If Vegapunk had Nico Robin's fruit he could work so much more faster

[wide crow]

What if luffy never ate the gum gum fruit

[candid saffron]

he didn't - he ate the hito hito no mi

[light bone]

Yeah but then he wouldn't be able to hold as much knowledge

[slender fulcrum]

possibly there is a whole other world or stuff beneath reverse mountain and it phase those who discovers it into a " domi reversed " world where is Laugh Tale

[ocean totem]

If the last Road Poneglyph is here at Elbaph and the crew gets rubbing of it, we wouldn’t have a reason to go to Lodestar island. I think the Man Marked By Flames is there or sailing around it. It would give us a reason to go there otherwise why even go there if we have all of the Road Poneglyphs

[raw scarab]

It is tricky, because Crocus basically puts them on the path to lodestar. I think Oda revised a few things, because you can argue lodestar is the last island, and then laughtale is the one right after that. The crew is informed that eventually all paths converge to lodestar, so its seems too important to skip.

Lodestar the island nobody had reached before (until Roger.)

[ocean totem]

I completely agree with Lodestar being the actual last island on the Grand line. It would be weird if Laughtale was on the Grand line because wouldn’t people have found it if it is just past Lodestar, right? I think there is definitely a unique way of entering laughtale, the 4 poneglyphs should overlap at a single spot and that would be the classic ‘X Marks the Spot’. People have been saying this for years obviously but, it would be a little weird if it was just beyond Lodestar. A lot of people theorized Laughtale is at the bottom of Arnie’s Lobby which is super interesting.

[broken seal]

LT could be on the grand line. I’m pretty thats the implication by calling it the final island. You say people would have found it if it’s past lodestar, but consider only one ship has even been known to reach lodestar in 800 years. But the greatest challenge is that you would have no way to navigate the deadliest stretch of ocean on the planet.

I agree there may be some trick to actually accessing LT, but that doesn’t preclude it from being beyond lodestar on the grand line

[raw scarab]

LT is the last island, but its likely not on the Sea directly. I think Oda is covering his bases here. Like the strawhats get to lodestar, but perhaps the coordinates have to be punched into some old machine or something. It would feel off to just skip lodestar, since the whole point of being king of the pirates isn't just laughtale, but transversing the grand line.

[broken seal]

Counter to that last point, if LT is the true final island, and you already have the glyphs to get there, you can skip lodestar and still have done the whole grand line. It’s not as if they have to visit every individual island.

I agree that the intent was to follow the pose the whole way, but it seems Oda could have reconsidered along the way

[ocean totem]

That was sort of my point, we’ve heard of Lodestar very early on, it would be kind of disappointing if we got all the poneglyphs on Elbaph and skipped Lodestar altogether, the penultimate island that could be just as important as the poneglyphs to get to Laughtale. Lodestar means the star that guides so it makes sense that this island along with the poneglyphs would lead you to Laughtale. But yea at this point when you consider how unpredictable Oda can be, things that make sense tend to be unlikely when you consider Oda’s style

[broken seal]

Lodestar is as important as the poneglyphs, because thats how you know to seek them out in the first place. If it served a secondary purpose, it doesn’t make sense why Inurashi said they are already at the point where Roger was when he got to Lodestar. He made it seem like you can go or not, because they’ve already begun collecting poneglyphs

[raw scarab]

I would be surprised if their is some type of sun dial or something, where you have to punch in coordinates and it tells you where laughtale is (incase laughtale is moving in the air or under the ocean of the grandline.)

[ocean totem]

Hmm that’s a good point, but the purpose could still remain the same. Roger goes to Lodestar realizes he needs the Road Poneglyphs for some sort of device, goes back out to collect them, returns to Lodestar and reveals the way to Laughtale. Joyboy left his story at Laughtale, this means it’s probably on another Poneglyph.

If the island IS moving or very hard to find that Poneglyph could act as a receiver that transmits to Lodestar when the 4 are collected and gathered at Lodestar. Whether it’s a machine from the void century or what I don’t know.

[broken seal]

Still if thats the case, it doesn’t fit with what Inurashi said. The only inconsistency addressed in the story is that Crocus told the crew to follow the pose. If there is something extra to Lodestar, it would seem to be related to Roger’s crew

[ocean totem]

What do you mean exactly, it doesn’t fit with what he said? It would be like in RPG games a lot of the time the final dungeon/areas are within your reach early on into the game, now you could go there but if you don’t have the prerequisite key item to progress to the next part then you’re essentially still at square one. I think Roger got to the castle without the key and had to go back and find it, if that makes sense.

Inurashi could’ve meant they had the same amount of poneglyphs Roger had when they arrived at Zou because that was after he left Lodestar to collect them.

I just think the 2nd to last island has got to have more significance lol.

[broken seal]

Inurashi’s explanation was that Roger’s adventure had two phases. The first getting to the end of the pose and learning about the glyphs, then restarting the trip to collect them and access LT, exclusively using the road poneglyphs.

When the strawhats are on Zou, he tells them they have already started phase 2, because they know about the road poneglyphs. Inurashi is our biggest source on what lodestar is and isn’t, and he lays out that its purpose is to show people the existence of the poneglyphs and laugh tale. You usually wouldn’t even know there is a secret final island past the final island

[raw scarab]

We don't know if being on lodestar is needed to actually reach laughtale, and Inurashi would not have that knowledge likely, but Crocus certainly would. So whatever Crocus said should always bear more weight to the strawhats.

[broken seal]

Crocus is more important but Inurashi should understand enough to be able to tell them if it’s vital or not. This wouldn’t even be a discussion if there was some mechanism to accessing LT hiding on Lodestar, because he would have unambiguously said to go there. If there is a reason to go, it’s separate from that. Or a road poneglyph has been hidden there

Let’s not forget Roger was ready to head to LT from somewhere earlier in the GL, where he dropped off Buggy

[ocean totem]

One Piece has always held the idea that the adventure to the end is just as important as the destination, Luffy definitely feels this way. I don’t think Crocus or Inurashi would have ruined that for Luffy. Giving him some info is fine but outright telling him what is on the island would have infuriated Luffy similar to when he shouted at Usopp when he asked Rayleigh what the One Piece was.

[broken seal]

I understand, but that is what Inurashi did in this instance. He spoiled the surprise. Maybe it’s different because he didn’t tell the SH’s anything they didn’t know

[ocean totem]

He did not give them anything new or specific about the islands purpose or information because he simply doesn’t know unlike Crocus who has been there and just seems more credible to me

[swift cosmos]

Just can't wait to see lodestar later this year

[ocean totem]

I hope we do and to tie in the inconsistency in the two dialogues the man with the burn scar is at Lodestar, just so we will go there and get the final Poneglyph

[swift cosmos]

Yep

[raw laurel]

If we do

[iron current]

!theories

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, power scaling, bounty predictions or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description. Posts here must be in paragraph form, preferably with evidence, not just a one line open question.

[restive rampart]

Theory: Conquerors haki is a self manifesting power whose main purpose is to oppose the world government, and is only given to those who are fated to oppose it.

i first thought of this when i saw it’s use against the holy knight’s regeneration, it would explain why none of the holy knights have CoC.

“what about the gorosei?” i cant find a panel that confirms that the gorosei have CoC, i believe the color change of the lightning in the anime was intentional to perhaps signify something else.

“imu?” there is no confirmation that domi reversi is CoC, the wiki calls it CoC but i believe its something else.

another thing that strengthens this theory is that the only 2 navy members with confirmed CoC (sengoku and garp) are not quite loyal to the world government, however someone like sakazuki who is loyal has never been confirmed with CoC.

i put minimal effort into finding evidence so if you have anything to disprove this educate me.

[little oar]

What mainly goes against this theory is the Gorosei and Imu having CoC; it wouldn’t make sense for the power to be something to oppose the WG whilst those of the WG themselves have it. Additionally Garp and Sengoku may not show extreme loyalty compared to the likes of Akainu but the fact they’re associated with the Marines can’t be disregarded

• Warcury is shown releasing CoC when roaring
• Mars and Saturn both knock out Den Den Mushi with their CoC
• Nusjuro and Zoro have a CoC burst when they clash
• Imu is shown releasing CoC upon possessing Gunko

The only Elders not shown with CoC have been Garling, who probably has it since whilst it’s not entirely hereditary I’m of the side it plays a part, and of course Shanks has it. Hereditary because we’ve seen such in cases with Garp to Luffy, Big Mom to Katakuri, Kaido to Yamato, Roger to Ace, etc. Ju Peter also hasn’t shown it, but I’m not fond of the idea of him being an outlier amongst the other Elders who have shown it

[wide crow]

Ehh same same

[restive rampart]

im aware the gorosei and imu are shown with haki that could be taken as CoC, i just believe its a different type of haki since the anime has it in a blue color which is basically opposite to the red we always see and in one of the scenes characters question the power as if it wasnt ordinary CoC

also with garp and sengoku, them being marines shouldnt exempt them from being against the wg, along with many fans i feel like a marine civil war over the world government and what is truly just is inevitable

[raw laurel]

I I been thinking about this for a while but why was hajruid so focused on getting the mera fruit ? As he said if he got the fruit he would be king of the giants.

Could it be a connection to the sun god ?

It god me thinking about punk hazard and how the island was split in 2. A fire side caused by akainu and a ice side caused by Kuzan. Before that though I believe the island was associated with that of the ancient giants.

At the entrance of the island we saw a warning sign to keep out and the wg used a oni giant skull as the warning.

That’s the first hint.

Now inside the island in the lab we saw a room full of giants frozen which many speculate is the gallera giants.

But in the fire side we saw a melting skeleton of a being that was even bigger than a giant.

We also know from wano that the numbers from the beast pirates are all from punk hazard and we’re failed experiments.

Of course there’s also the yeti cool brothers.

Anyway it has me thinking back to dory and broggy how they are called the red and blue ogres and this is of course reference to the Japanese fable about the red and blue orges/oni but might be reference to ice and fire.

Now in Norse mythology there are 9 realms and some belong to giants.

There’s Niflheim the home of the frost giants and nighogg dragon ( also the undead )
And
Muspelheim home of the fire giants led by Surtr.

Surtr and Ymir were enemies said to clash in ragnarok.

Now we know Loki is associated with frost giants because if you notice every time Loki is said it snows. When he was a baby and abandoned by his mother a terrible winter came in and only ended when Harold returned and met Loki.

When rocks died it snowed where Loki began to cry,

When luffy found Loki he was surrounded by snow.

When Loki fought Harold it began to snow and you can double check because it wasn’t snowing when Loki arrived.

Anyway Loki has some power related to snow.

He’s a frost giant….. like Loki from Norse mythology.

Now we know Loki df is the treasure of elbaf and I don’t believe there is another but I do believe there is an island above elbaf, that island is where the heaven realm is and I believe that holds the location of a df that is suppose to go to the true king of the giants guarded by the elder giants we heard mention but of course they didn’t give it to Harold as they didn’t like him and refuse to give it to hajruid as they don’t accept his lineage or his claim for the throne, thus hajrudin I believe sought out the next best thing which was the mera fruit.
I believe the fruit of the heaven realm is the Surtr fruit and will turn hajrudin into a ancient flame giant.

[little oar]

It is CoC in the manga, but wouldn’t you say the anime is inconsistent? I mean we have Koby who was shown with black and red lightning from Honesty Impact when it was ACoA. Same with Nika Bonney depicting black and red when she does not possess CoC, whereas that same colour scheme was used when Luffy and Doffy clashed with CoC, which is the colour used in the coloured manga chapter I’m sure. Toei’s depiction of Haki has been inconsistent throughout the series and the manga always comes first as a reference. Even the manga has had inconsistencies with showing Haki, but there’s no other source better than the manga itself lol

If you could show the panel for where you say the characters question the power as if it isn’t ordinary CoC though that’d be cool

[raw scarab]

its officially CoC in the manga

[restive rampart]

damn ur right, also couldnt find the exact panel i guess i just misremembered that scene

[ocean totem]

Let’s not forget that Zoro’s CoC is shown to be green in the anime but we know it is ACoC

[lofty heron]

Yea

[dense relic]

Read this the wrong way 😭 someone should lowkey ask oda if Zoros coc is actually green or not. He'd be willing to answer that

[fluid sequoia]

Most likely just a design choice in the anime, just like the gorosei got their own clue coc effect

[dark meadow]

sup with gunko n brook

[pearl tusk]

Hes kinda a well known super star and she likes music?

Thats all we know as of now anyways. Would be cool if she was a groupie he actually knew at one point or something but i lean towards just a fan girl

But maybe it does show a crack in imus control or something like that

[broken seal]

Gunko is old. She knew Brook from her childhood when he was still flesh and blood

[pearl tusk]

Was he a performer back when he was flesh and blood? Or was he just a pirate backthen? Cuz she knows his music obviously

[broken seal]

He was playing violin in her memory. He could have been a pirate, or it could have been even further back than that. Whatever the connection is, it’s deeper than fan, and it doesn’t originate from his soul king career

[pearl tusk]

How do you think its deeper than fan? Didnt she start singing one of his soul king songs? I need to reread that chapter its been a while now

[broken seal]

She had a soul king tone dial, yeah. That was the first hint of a connection. It’s chapter 1149 that shows there is something deeper. There is also something going on with her dad, but I don’t personally think that is referring to Brook himself

[pearl tusk]

Agreed, i dont think its that kinda connection. More like oda teasing that past memories can jog the holy knights out of his control or at least weaken it

[jolly thunder]

Just saw a good Vander Decken theory

[swift cosmos]

One thing we have to know is that Brook knows about the Holy knights.

Outside of knowing that he was the leader of a battle convoy, we know nothing about his past beyond what we saw during his time on the Rumbar pirate crew

Currently there is a theory going around that Brook could've been a Blade of God before he left to be a pirate.

[fringe hemlock]

This is the base evidence for my argument that the One Piece will be a Hoju, and that Oda has been using a subtle unicorn motif throughout the story to foreshadow it. I'll add more in a sec, and I can explain it in detail if need be.

[kindred quail]

i dont know what you're cooking, but you cooking wild

[wild summit]

I want whatever you are smoking

[haughty shale]

i'm sorry but i tried so hard to follow with the theory but i really don't see the connections or what i should be looking for in the pics
like you seem to be genuinely brewing something but the pics are all over the place

[granite folio]

idk what i have to prove this theory but listen to mev😭, zoro needs a powerup now, i has certainly pushed himself to the likits as he is now, mybe in elbaf he will learn about coating his weapons with adv. coc, but after that he might need a bigger powerup during the final war, and we maybe see zoro vs saint nasjuro (one of thr 5 elders) , he has a supreme grade blade (shodai kitetsu) , zoro might get that becoz the difference between excellent and supreme grade blade is immense

for sanji , there are no evidences I can gather for him being a lunarian except that he can light his legs on literal fire, it can be due to him being lunarian but i have a more likely powerup, i guess he should unlock conqueror haki but it would not like pop out of the blue it could be when he's saving a women becoz at this point we already know that the gorosei, holy knights and imu can't be defeated without them, so sanji getting conquerors haki is a must, also he has potential due to his newly awakened germa body

for luffy there is a certain thing that ig will improve, as we have seen with his past gears (2,3,4) whenever he used them he got a drawback like when using gear 2, he would get exhausted very very fast and wouldn't be able to even move, when using gear 3 he wouldn't really get exhausted but his body turned small and he was pretty much unable to battle, in gear 4 he would get exhausted too but he couldn't use gear 4 repetitively, and with gear 5 then energy is the problem, he gets exhausted as fast as u can imagine, and believe me in a battle with strong people like gorosei or imu , they r not gonna allow u to take a meal break 🤷🏻, so he needs to get a good at this energy expenditure of gear 5 , i have seen a lot of theories about him eating mother flame providing him with energy, but as pf the story is now there aren't much things that we know, rn mother flame thing seems the most probable, but in future mybe he just gets better control of enerrgy in gear 5

[native crown]

What if imu's weakness is lust but say they find that out and get boa hancock to fight him it doesnt work because imu's actually gay so zoro seduces imu by showing him his sword skills especially how strong his jaw is for being able to clench onto his sword and it makes imu all dizzy and horny for zoros sloppy toppy and he gives in and zoro distracts him by giving imu the best head of his life and gets flanked from the back and luffy defeats him

[granite folio]

it ain't completely necessary for him to know about holy knights, i mean there is a very high chance that he was associated or had something to do with them in his past life before rumbar pirates, but as we saw harald wasn't a celestial dragon, yet he served world government, after gaining their trust he gained the contract from imu, he was on the path to become a god knight, similar thing could be with gunko, in the minor flashback she is shown dreaming to become a pirate, but mybe after this scene one thing led to another and she ultimately ended up serving world government, maybe she isn't even aware of her past life as when she just started to get a grasp of flashback, imu took control over her only, mybe imu just wants powerful soldiers to protect him/her. and she is erasing memories of them, as we also saw inn the recent chapter that harald was losing control over his own personality and his own self, although he only had the lowest level of contract , gunko coud have been completely took over by imu by placing a high level contract between her and imu

[fringe hemlock]

IM SMOKING THE HOJU

[fringe hemlock]

u gotta look at em in order or else yea its a bunch of soup

[chrome plover]

Guys has anyone else thought that bonney may be related to big mom, as kuma first met ginny at God valley and big mom could also be found there. I think that ginny could be big moms daughter. They all have pink hair and a massive appetite for food

[iron current]

we know where she was born and that she was enslaved by the World Nobles when she was 4, BM kept all her children close to her as she basically gave birth to her own pirate crew, we also know all the children in birth order basically, so no, basically impossible

[sand drum]

im pretty sure that bonneys dad is a celestial dragon, which is sad for obvious reasons

[honest marten]

HELBAF- The Nature of Loki's Fruit

Many are quick to assume Loki as Niddhogr or Fenrir, but that explanation doesn't quite sit right with me. The Elbaf Devil Fruit is supposed to be legendary, capable of destroying the world. It being just a strong wolf or dragon, isn't particularly unique nor powerful by One Piece standards for mythical zoans, not to the extent Rocks was hyping it up anyways.

I actually like the idea Loki can shapeshift between the various legends of Elbaf's mythology, Fenrir, Niddhogr, Jormungandr, maybe even Nika, paralleled by Killingham's nightmare creatures. However, while looking into this possibility, I think there might be a more fitting option, one which fits with everything we've been told about this fruit so far.

I present- The Human Human (or Giant Giant?) fruit, Model; Elbaf. Or Hel. Or Helbaf? I don't know. But I'm leaning toward it being Elbaf because of the God of War mentioned by Dorry and Broggy all the way back in Little Garden. I'm sure Nika has made a lot of people forget that a God Elbaf supposedly does exist!

I think Loki's appearance was foreshadowed by Road's false Sun God appearance, with the skeletal helmet (which itself is similar to Hel's, the ruler of the dead, with its antler horns) and the fact his mini-arc takes place in the Underworld, creating the idea of death as important to Loki, who debuts in the Underworld/Realm of the Dead at the end of this little adventure. Reflecting Road's appearance as Loki also calls himself the Sun God would bring the beginning of Elbaf full circle, and explain why said mini-arc even happened to begin with!

Road and Loki both have a group of animal friends. Though when Loki's friends are killed by Shamrock and Gunko (interestingly Cerberus is also the guard dog of hell), he swears to use this fury to destroy the world. If 'destroying the world' can be assumed to be his powers as the 'sun god', we could take this as a hint to the nature of his powers.

After all, the reason Rocks wanted Harald to eat this fruit was so that he could command the frozen (possibly just dead) Galleila giants. Manipulating the dead may therefore be a key aspect of this fruit, and if he can create an army of the dead with his animal friends, this provides the perfect counter to the demonic nightmare creatures rampaging across Elbaf, which themselves defy death. This also makes you think of Oars in Thriller Bark right? The first introduction of the ancient giants, frozen in ice, able to be controlled by Moria. Or how Nightmare Luffy absorbed the power of shadows, Loki may be able to absorb power from the dead. If power over death is also a part of this, it could be that Rocks also believed it could be effective against Imu's regeneration. Even without visibly using advanced conqueror's haki, Loki was able to hurt Harald and even temporarily shake off the mental effects of the contract.

This harkens back to the Harley, which states that the Forest God 'tamed devils'. Loki has been chained to a giant tree in the middle of the Underworld forest. Before he explains how he didn't kill Harald in cold blood, he even makes a strange remark- 'youre not seeing the forest for the trees!' This is a real world expression, but I've always found its use in this context here odd. If Loki's powers are truly that of the Forest God, it'd certainly make a whole lot of sense. This could be how he appears similar to Niddhogr, as well, as a giant dragon with the same horns is depicted atop the Adam Tree in the mural, presumably being said Forest God. Based on his roar and silhouette, he's certainly more beastly than Road in his zoan form, so it could be more of a similarity than being the exact same design, with an appearance based on Fenrir/Nidhogg with the elements of death I previously mentioned.

[vestal yacht]

IMHO that is giant lineage

[quasi bramble]

Someone in the comments pointed out that this is impossible, as Saturn was able to disobey Imu's order last arc. And it made me realize something that raises some interesting questions about the covenant.

We know that the Depths covenant forces the bearers to never disobey Imu's orders, no matter what. Even corrupting their body and soul to make the control more effective.

So it begs the question: how has Saturn, for 200 years, able to hide the fact that he was researching Emit, despite Imu's orders to destroy it?

[warped sand]

Some things are contradicting regardless. A lot of chapters ago Imu told the Elders via a den den mushi to destroy Lulusia. Which Jupiter told the marines to stop listening on the call. Why would he need to take that risk and mention that via a den den mushi if they can talk via telepathy.

[slender fulcrum]

Maybe this was before he took the contract. And the further you are from imu the weaker is its influence

[broken seal]

Zero chance of this. It was like a week ago in-universe. All of the elders had their contacts for a long time. Also, Imu could communicate with Harald all the way on Elbaph clear as day. During the Lulusia call, they were all presumably in the same building as Imu. It’s a hard one to get around

[slender fulcrum]

Depend. Imu is not always present on their mind, its more like a presence that press itself on their very soul when it wants to, but influence their decision up to a certain point on the day to day basis.

Moreover, studying the Iron Giant was not something that would be seen as harmful since it was deactivated and he probably didnt know it was linked to joy boy anyway. So even if he was influenced by Imu, there was no reason that, in his mind, that studying the robot on a remote island would not be in the interest on the WG.

[granite folio]

so its basically like a presence of what imu would do in their minds, but there is no direct telepathy between them, imu could influence them if they literally just wanted to betray imu but they can't give direct decisions like destroying lulusia, for big decisions like this imu themselves give orders to the elders

[unkempt grotto]

One Piece Crackhead Theory (Potential Spoilers)
Part 1 of 3 (Umibozo, Monkey D. Luffy and Norse Cycle)
Umibozo

Imu is obviously the one who holds the namesake of the Earth
as the other members of the Solar System are elders and weapons
Imu is shaped like an Umibozo by design, Umibozo of which are massive sea residing Yokai with the power to 'scoop' up the water, capisizing ships and creating storms.
Notably, the way to defeat such a threat is a bottomless barrel in which the Umibozo cannot scoop the water out of it.
Besides the obvious draw towards Luffy starting out in a barrel quite literally being a funny "Imu can't draw Luffy out of this world" there are certain geographical point in the One Piece world that is by all information currently given, bottomless and or hidden under a mass of water:

1. Wano and Pluton beneath it.
2. Fishman Island and the promise of Joyboy to release the fishmen to 'unite with the surface' and bring about 'liberation' with Poseidon (Shirahoshi) having been named the weapon as she could command the Sea Kings to protect and destroy islands
   Doflamingo's foreshadowing of a powerful weapon under Mary Geoise, which rose atop that great height by expelling the previous natives of that land (Fishman island is UNDER the Red Line)
   If you could draw out these 2 locations by intentionally having Imu 'raise' the islands or destroying the Red Line which houses the underbelly of Mary Geoise.
   But... we know that the incomplete Mother Flame powers a certain weapon which erased Lulusia like God Head by the authority of Imu (Umibozo)
   Mary Geoise and the Celestials must therefore have this 3rd Ancient weapon at their disposal.
   and thus completing how the Umibozo relation with Imu makes sense.

The fact that it is incompletely may be the reason why Uranus can only hit Lulusia and Godhead may be because the Uranus weapon is housed under the Whirlpool mass of Water centred at the Gates of Justice.
Buster Calls have to be carried out to 'erase' islands but not to this degree
Pluton destroys Land, Poseidon destroys the Sea, Uranus destroys the Sky.
The supposed flying weapon is grounded due to the incompletion of the Mother Flame and is kept protected in the Gates of Justice.
The 3 most fortified World Government locations, all surrounding a supposed whirlpool.

Wano's mountainous walls must be broken through to release the Pluton warship.
Which leads back to how the Straw Hat crew need to go back to Fishman island to fulfill the promise of Joyboy by raising Fishman island by the Uranus erasure, 'freeing the island from the depths of the seas' and being able to freely transport Shirahoshi to call on the Sea Kings and race to Wano to free the Warship Pluton.

The joke of Laughtale may be just a drawing of a hole saying "Go here" due to mind-numbingly stupid idea that going into a hole is how you find the coveted One Piece

The Aftermath of the 2 Ancient Weapons used to destroy the 2 ends of the Red Line will cause the unification of the 4 Blues causing the 'All Blue' and the subsequent race to the infamous Long Ring Long Land where Aqua Laguna happens once a year causing the high tides in LRLL island to level, causing a massive tide hitting Water Seven.
This could be causing by the passing of the abnormally close moon of the Blue Star (Otherwise how did Enel with 200 jet dials get to the moon) which steadily orbits the Blue Star and inches closer and closer.

Mars and it's moon Phobos, famously has it's braking effect and is said to be 'destined' to impact or break apart into a ring around Mars
Which is yet another extraordinary cosmic effect that Oda could take inspiration from.

If Aqua Laguna is actually getting stronger and stronger via the Moon of the Blue Star inching closer and closer and hovering past LRLL every year.
perhaps at the very time Luffy and the Straw Hats arrive on LRLL and the fully working Uranus tries to lift the island to erase it, perhaps it fully exposes the long lost Centre of the island.

[broken seal]

My bad, I was talking about why it’s weird that Imu chose to use the snail phone, not about the iron giant.

I agree, the giant thing may not have been a mind-control telepathy command, but a normal order

[unkempt grotto]

Part 2: (of 4, as i realised the story of Joyboy is ridiculously complicated)
Ancient Kingdom

the Lunarians resided on the Red Line. Which links in with the Ancient Kingdom of 4 distinctly winged races, Birkan, Shandian, Skypiean and Lunarians.
Of which the Lunarians were distinctly known to be perpetually on fire.
Birkan from Turkish roughly means: Unique Lineage
Shandia(n): To Shine (Africa) / Electricity/Lightning (China)
Skypiea: Sky + PIEa (Proto-Indo European) Land (a Pie in the Sky clue) (Where Luffy shares a PIE with Blackbeard in the Island of Jaya)
Lunarian: Moon / (if you wanna stretch it, Lunacy, leading to Crazy, ridiculous and wacky)
These 4 moon races, travel to Blue Star (One Piece's Planet) after a depletion of natural resources and later unite once more as the Ancient Kingdom
The Islands of Skypiea and the Settlement on the Red Line for the Lunarians were the 4 strongholds of this kingdom.
the Proto Indo European myths end commonly with a Hero or God slaying a dragon.
Of which the most recognised of the descendant mythologies is Norse mythology with Ragnarok.
The Serpent is commonly seen as a 'Water Blocking, Multiple Headed (or some Multiple Featured) (Three Eyed tribe mention?) and is killed by the smashing of it's multiple Heads
The God or Hero
If we assume the Red Line is the Serpent (which it is) the smashing of the Red Line's 'Head' would be the Reverse Mountain, in which a certain whale is quite literally doing it's hardest to headbutt and break through as of currently (well played Oda)
Combined with the efforts of Pluton and Poseidon on either end, breaks the Head of the Red Line Serpent

The Unique Blooded, shining, thunderous (Zunesha could FEEL the drums of liberation with his feet as Elephants can use their feet to hear rain storms and THUNDER), Shining Hero descended from a Sky bound tribe.

Is Monkey D. Luffy

The Sun God, related to Sun God Surya

who, with the 7 horses which pull his 12 wheeled chariot
(7 allies in the Straw Hat grand fleet) (with a possible 12 total members of his own Straw Hat crew)
set their journey to defeat the great darkness and illuminates life (In a narrative translation, leads the rebellion against the World Government and liberates the world of Blue Star
The Sun God motifs continues to this day with Norse Mythology driving the
cyclical Sun Goddess and Moon God chased by two wolves

The Norse Myth of Mani and Sol, and the bringing of Ragnarok goes:
The two wolves, sons of Fenrir, Hati (the Hate) forever chases the Moon (Mani) and Skoll (The Traitor) chases the Sun (Sol)
In this is the idea of 2 brothers set to chase different gods
Shanks and Shamrock, sons of the Moon of Saturn, Fenrir (Garling) both chase the moons of their perceived world.
Shanks forever brings forth the Sun God to the world and chases the Moon away, Blackbeard who holds both Darkness and Tidal strength is his moon
Shamrock forever shadows his moon shaped father, Figarland Garling in a loyal and sadistic way as his beliefs of those lesser than him will put him at ends with Luffy and his liberation.

Loki's Mythical Zoan may well be the Proto Indo European hero god which wields thunder and lightning, with his accursed Snake Eyes from birth owing it's story to Sigurd, Son of Ragnar Lothbrok, Leader of the great Heathen Army and a warrior tied to the great serpent, Jormungandr.

If there is another God Zoan fruit which lies with it's respective trees, of Eve the tree of Knowledge leading to the Sun God, a power that leads the world to the truth and freedom of oppression and shrouded darkness.
The Norse world's greatest treasure is widely known as Thor's Hammer, Mjolnir. Wielded by the chained Loki, after finding himself furious with Harald's actions to willingly serve those who killed his father figure (Rock D. Xebec) he kills him (let's be real, accidentally) and gets the treasure of Elbaph.
Causing him to be banished and chained to the tree and branded a traitor to all of Elbaph, leading to now.

[raven cosmos]

Nice theory. In first part you could explain things with bit more clarity.

[iron current]

i mean its only part 2 so far

[unkempt grotto]

the other parts are beyond exhausting to flesh out but basically it's trying to reason with how Joyboy's story is basically tied with 20,000 Leagues under the sea, Noah's Ark, Davy Jones, Odysseus and Calypso and Gulliver's Travels
(even just 20,000 leagues under the sea alone (a us frigate sets sail from Brooklyn and crashes near Japan)
And the warship Pluton just so happens be underneath Wano
Finding a futuristic submarine disguised a monster believed to be a whale or narwhal according to different tellings
(sounds an awful lot like Ancient Kingdom doohickery)

The story of Davy Jone's curse sinking ships (in this case islands) are very well aligned with the cursed devilish powers of Imu
The fact that Joyboy (the giant who owned that massive straw hat) meets Poseidon and asks for Poseidon's powers in exchange for freeing the Fishmen by transporting them up with the Noah ship
Gulliver ends up in the island of Lilliput (i wonder who is named Lilli)
he aids them in battle and later on he sets off to Brobdingnag, a land of giant features and proportions
he recounts Europe's use of technology and is subsequently kidnapped by an eagle and once again he sets sail, attacked by pirates he is marooned and finds Balnibardi a place governed by a floating island Laputa, Glubdubrib, a magician's dwelling with ghosts of historical figures
Luggnagg, he finds immortals, not in youth but in permanent suspended old age

These classics are all crashed into each other with how the name of D. being writted next to Nefetari D. Lilli's name is so impertinent in that Joyboy may have been a Moon Race, giant half breed, accounting to how he could set sail without crushing the boats

the classics and Oda's firm ties to Mythos and scientific amaze leads to this world of One Piece being configured with literally century old literature which all converge to inspire his world

I'll try and decipher all of Joyboy's tales with odes to classics and how it all connects to the narrative of the Proto Indo European sun god killing the serpent

[civic forge]

Keep going

[raven cosmos]

@unkempt grotto is definitely upto something

[unkempt grotto]

everything to do with Joyboy's tale could be inferred with those classics because it is mostly lost in the void century, even Big News Morgan being an albatross is a callback to Rime of the Ancient Mariner.
The Albatross looks to be a good sign for a crew of explorers trapped in ice, in the South Pole, it brings nothing, the crew furious with it's unintentional trickery, shoots the Bird.
It brings a curse to ship and the death of his trapped crew, the shooter wears it around his neck to carry the acknowledgement of his burden
Guess where this little story is used?
20,000 leagues under the sea, Moby Dick, Frankenstein etc.
To wear an albatross is to bear psychological burden which is felt as a curse

Big News Morgan simply flies and interprets the world as he sees the world should see it, if the albatross is ever killed, it couls bring about the end times of the series as so many others (20,000 leagues under the sea has an unnamed crewman of the submarine shoot an albatross leading to the spiralling conplications inside the submarine

So there's a small side thing to look out for :>

Joyboy may be a mirror of Gulliver as he travels to Japan afterwards from the Old man immortal land, he refuses to step on a crucifix and asks to be pardoned by the emperor, which the emperor allows.
Signifying his faith in his own beliefs (possibly because at least Skypieans are very devout of their gods)
He then travels back home with his crew (his ancestral lands hint hint)
and spends the rest of his believing it to be over.
He works as a surgeon but returns to sea out of boredom and captains a merchantman and he is forced to find new crew additions who Gulliver believes (but it isn't real) is planning a mutiny on him, they contain their mutinied captain and threw him onto the first piece of land the crew saw, and his crew of merchants became pirates.

He sees a land of deformed, savage humanoids, they are hostile and shortly after, he meets a race of Talking horses, these are their rulers, while their subjects are deformed humanoids they are horses, and are named Yahoos.
This is widely believed to be a land with a Master/Slave dynamic
He is fed and nurtured by these masters and are set to depart on a canoe but fails once again, saved by a Portugese captain who he believes to be a Yahoo (master) but is disgusted that he is nice and considerate instead of looking down upon their subjects.
Gulliver returns home forever broken and reclused and speaks with horses, rejecting his once beloved family

Take one look at what that was and tell me that he didn't get Domi Reversi'd man

Odysseus and Calypso, A siren who nurtures a shipwrecked hero to health and falls in love with him, offers Odysseus immortality in exchange for staying with her in this island, giving him comforts and paradise but never freedom

even with all that the Siren could offer him, he longed for his home and subsequent destiny, with an order from Zeus sent Hermes by the begging of Athena, Odysseus was released from Calyso's strain and she reluctantly helped him build a raft for him to return

[unkempt grotto]

Davy Jones and Noah's Ark is specifically about Joyboy in Fishman Island
The promise of the fishman island's freedom in exchange for the usage of Poseidon's powers
with the added context which points to his longing for home, perhaps Joyboy was tricked or urged into returning home (Domi Reversi: return home)
Means that Joyboy, caricature of Gulliver and Odysseus in tandem
was Domi Reversi'd by someone. shortly after that Noah Fishman Island promise.

And it would be rather Oda like to mirror Loki's chaining to Treasure Tree Adam, with To a man associated with liberation and likened to the Great Sun God Nika, who may very well also be kept in the bottom of the ocean, chained with his spirit, reproduced into a devil fruit of which Joyboy dreamed and desired the most, and wished upon that tree before his rest.
To be the fabled Sun God Nika
And the Tree of Knowledge Eve, which Joyboy rooted himself to, produced his dream into a fruit.

Loki the Imitation of the Sun God, mirrors the man who inspired his father figure as well as dreamed of being the Sun God as well

[unkempt grotto]

Joyboy, thus having been sunk and to forever be at the bottom of the ocean, chained to the great tree which once produced Devil fruits for the Ancient kingdom, became a "sea demon" by the name of Davy Jones.

And the Devil fruit with his Spirit and dreams housed inside was passed down to the rightful heir, Monkey D. Luffy

[raw scarab]

I think Joyboy and Davy Jones are two seperate people, and joyboy is also likely not his real name, just an alias.

[unkempt grotto]

most definitely true, He was probably a youthful hero who likely came from the Great Kingdom, alluded to be at least an ally or descendant of the Davy Clan, family lineage.
It may be a link that Joyboy was simply a giant half breed who like Gulliver, was betrayed by his crew of at least Zunesha and Emeth who were most likely controlled by Imu.
(Also explains why they were apologising to him)

[swift cosmos]

Theory is that Imu can talk you. Telepathically but you can't answer back

[broken seal]

Harald is talking back in 1168 just fine. It feels like Imu either chose to use the phone for some reason or it’s an error

[rare zenith]

A common theory i keep seeing is that the reverse mountain kinda looks like an X mark on the map and is where the onepiece is.

Also i get the feeling that fishman island and mariejois right on the opposite side of the world are somehow integral in the destruction of the red line.

[swift cosmos]

Probably Oda didn't completly flesh out Imu's powers

like I expect the next sbs would have domni reversi explained

[misty vine]

zoro pushed down kuina for her sword

[raven cosmos]

But didn't Luffy ate the same Nika fruit Which Jooyboy had eaten. Thid makes the thing you are saying that new nika fruit was born because of desire of Jooyboy kinds confusing.

[unkempt grotto]

Joyboy ate the Nika fruit and was the first user yes, sorry about that, i completely overlooked that Nika was definitely Joyboy's devil fruit.
Since he was a larger than normal human, but smaller than Giant (much like Gulliver) i believe he could be also the first of the Buccaneer race in terms of recognition, seeming as though the race he was a part of hailed from the Great Ancient Kingdom.
His mirroring of Gulliver and the idea of immortality in One Piece via the dreams and Will of people, and the Haki which again is based upon the willingness of a person to project their determination.
Notably the Will of D may very well be explained in the idea that the (D.) symbol maybe based on Struldbruggs from Gulliver's Travels
As after passing the age of 80, they became legally "Dead" (much like a pirate's bounty legally allowing the death of the person) and they do not age anymore, their Red Dot above their eyes, blacken after this achievement of aged immortality.
The 'Dead' Struldbruggs were forbidden from owning land, their heirs succeed to immediately own what was theirs, and maintained at the Public's Charge (dependant on the government), they hold no positions of power.
The Struldbruggs with a Smiling Eye with a dot above it (the D. sign) were slaves.
"Otherwise, as avarice is the necessary consequence of old age, those immortals would in time become proprietors of the whole nation, and engross the civil power, which, for want of abilities to manage, must end in the ruin of the public."
(This land of Strulbrugg's laws are reasonable as avarice (extreme greed) eventually befalls that of those who cannot die, these immortals would own and hold the nation and amass power on all ends, their desire for complete authority and control would result in ruin of the world)
Perhaps the (D.) is the Eye of an immortally Spirited being (Joyboy) and taken inspiration from the one Eye of Horus (yet another callback to Egypt's counterpart Alabasta) meaning healing, royal power and protection.
All names with this D. in their name, are protected in ink by Nefertari D. Lilli, heirs to spirited figures who they descend from
Shandora meaning the "Skull's right Eye" could owe it's origins to that.
The Immortal Shandorians thus were part of the D. naming scheme.

Slaves were often branded with the initials of their owners, to show off that branding like Fisher Tiger did, is courageous, brings hope and is the embodiment of Freedom Fighting, the Jab Jab people of the Carribean blacken their skin to celebrate their liberation from the Colonisers, by playing the Devil for which they reclaimed it and mocked the very idea of the enslaved being devils by satirically dressing up with horns, black painted skin and they present their Devilish forms with pride, mocking their owners.
The D. could be a branded initial of the owners of the race, the Demons, who bred a slave race out of the two most formidable Ancient Kingdom's races: Giants and the People of Jaya's Shandora
Making the Buccaneer race (Big Mom had children with many of the races of One Piece, she had never birthed a Buccaneer and she had never found and bed a man from Skypiea, Birkan, Jaya and Lunarian race.
Kuma nor Blackbeard does not seem to be constant on fire, hence and the Birkans and Skypieans are fair skinned in comparison.
Shandorians shortly after the Lunarian wipeout, which would explain the fight for the Ponegylph's protections, the continued guarding of the Ponegylphs as well as the ruins of Jaya and the descendants of Shandora, Shandia.
The city of Shandora was raised and promptly joined the Skypiean island which the Skypieans controlled and warred over for another 400 years.

The names which invoke the Will of D. were those descending from Shandora
Heck even separating it
Shan (God is gracious)
D. (We mock you Devils, you who were our corrupt Masters)
Ora (Prayer/Light)

[granite folio]

but joyboy looked more like whitebeard's size, and at that time when he was talking the emet he wasnt really using gear 5, atleast didnt look like it, and if luffy has to use G5 to transform into a giant it aint actually giant, it uses too much energy too

[raven cosmos]

Yeah I realised it later hence deleted the comment

[raven cosmos]

Currently now read this completely but from previous part of your theories and the beginning of this one I feel I should read Gulliver's travel for sure.

[unkempt grotto]

Sun God Nika will more likely resemble a warrior of Shandora, which were seen in the Imperial Cumulus in terms of size (at maximum)
While Luffy can cartoonishly balloon into the sizes of giants, i think it's mostly because he needs that level of power to defeat foes like Kaido and such.

[granite folio]

ig luffy aint having his growth spurt like garp and dragon are tall like 270cm -ish , so we might see luffy just as the height he is

[granite folio]

i came up with an accurate reasoning that luffy can actually eat mother flame, as luffy G5 is in many ways shown parallel to hinduism deity "hanuman" and i read in a OP theory that hanuman consumed sun to do something, and in the mural in elbaf the creepy creature which nika is attacking is shown to hold a mother flame(more like sun thing) , so luffy could actually eat it

[raven cosmos]

I wish your theories come true Kkachi and you get the recognition you deserve. (if you are already famous theorist in the community I am sorry cause I am new to this theory section of One piece and was unaware of you)

[granite folio]

it could be an accurate way to solve luffy's running out of energy mid fights (as in final battle of the series we aint getting a small break to feed luffy)

[granite folio]

i m also unaware of kkachii but his theories seem so good that they r just like spoilers (it is a compliment my guy), but there are a lot of things i can't understand as of now, as there are a lot of references i m also unaware of

[raven cosmos]

Yeah. For me many references were knew which makes it bit hard to understand the theory from perspective of him. Ig I will have to learn about the references first then reread it

Also Will of D is making pretty sense from that Shan D Ora explanation in the end

[granite folio]

although there are a lot of references, but a lot of things in the past which have happened in one piece also seem a lot of parallel to other series, and there is a lot fo things going on related to mythologies, gods iyk what i mean, and its just a sign of understanding of one piece, and hence the theories are so good

[pure tusk]

I really liked you based the whole thing off Guilvers travel because I have a whole theory video that you should checkout about Uranus being The Emerald city and how it’s a Laputa reference and we expect to see it this arc with Uranus showing up as Laputa

https://youtu.be/KNAoKnNrvLo?si=roBooWg5OvEVJrHL

[pure tusk]

Yea I posted that theory in here a few times but in oda notes luffy was called Hanuman and I think he’s going to eat the flame and turn into super nika like super Mario a rainbow form

[icy dagger]

Joyboy has never been compared to nika. Nika and its only two known users are each VERY separate

Luffy and joyboy for example have only been compared to each other through superficial means. Equivalent to people calling Momonosuke in dragon form “Kaido”.

They’ve made it a point that luffy is his own person with his own aspirations and morals separate from what joyboy was. Zuniesha saying Joyboy has returned, and Emeth being happy to see joyboy again, only for BOTH to realize he only resembles Joyboy, and accepts his actual identity and recognizes it

It’s important to recognize this discrepancy because it’s extremely easy to fall into the trap of assuming the nature of these characters purely on parallels

In the narrative itself the only thing pushing Joyboys positive impact on others is through Emeth

Zuniesha certainly reveres Joyboy and considers them a close friend, but with the caveat of either Joyboy OR Wano’s shogun forcing Zuniesha to be their slave for 800 years.

Emeth on the other hand has only had positive connotations towards Joyboy, our one interaction was Joyboy offering his strength to protect Emeth even when he can’t be there for him.

Outside of that? Joyboys portrayal has either been at best mixed, and at WORST a mass murderer

Just because Joyboys greatest enemy was Imu, doesn’t mean Joyboy is inherently a hero or good person

Blackbeard more than likely is gunning to kill Imu, Big Mom and Kaido seek to overthrow the government.

If we removed all context and purely showed a scene with king and Kaido laughing it up as friends, and then Kaido saying he hates these scummy nobles and he wants them gone, you’d see him as a good guy by that mindset

And being allied with fishman island and Wano is meaningless, because we know nothing about how both nations were 900 years ago.

If anything Wano SUCKED. Pretty much all of wanos history that we do see is just bigotry and extremely questionable leaders or downright corrupt governments despite the ACTUAL world gov having no affiliations

Our first time seeing neko inu and kawamatsu in wano’s past is them getting crucified by some wano citizens 💀

[bleak drift]

Do you think its possible that rogers crew would have still helped joyboy after learning he was a mass murderer??

[unkempt grotto]

originally was planning to send that whole theory book to GLR so he can voice it out but i feel like i'd rather be here and go into wild searches for references Oda could uses for story devices.

Also Davy D. Jones' lineage might be special because he might've been the first person to tell Joyboy of who he was

Like how Fiddler's Green is a Sailor's Paradise
and Neptune's Wink is a Green flash seen briefly as the sunrises
adding to how Luffy winked like the Sky race's home island's geography, paying homage to Joyboy's promise being kept a secret to this day and that a certain Monkey is on the way to fulfill it and bring about the Dawn of a new age.

and also the fact that West Blue was rather important for events leading the Void Century (God Valley, Brook and Gunko's ties, Ohara, Kano country
(literally Roud Head and Pointed Head reference), Byron the Musician pirate's home as he was auctioned as a slave, Illisia and their feud with Monkey D. Dragon and Thriller Bark)

A lot of this is based on real Western nation history and also the subtle hint that some other Monkey related figure is currently on a Journey to the West.

Even Bartholomew Sharp, possible name inspiration to Bartholomew Roberts the most successful pirate of history, embarked on a Pacific Adventure, sailing for the Golden Island, 350 buccaneers were met by the Emperor of Darien, King Goldecap of the Kuna people.
The King agreed to let warriors and his own son join Sharp's landing party if he rescues Goldecap's daughter from the Garrison of Santa Maria.
Rowed in canoes provided by the Kuna, 50 or so men breached the Garrison and rescued the King's daughter, pregnant with her Spanish Captor's child.

He sailed afterwards to the Bay of San Miguel with two Barques ships (Bark) set for Panama.
The encountered 3 galleons and 5 spanish warships at the harbour of Perico
The Pirates fought from Canoes and defeated this patrol fleet with only 2 dying and 11 eleven injured.
They commandeered 3 ships, pillaged a bountiful 60,000 silver and demanded ransom from the Panama court from written mail and threats to personally show up and demand the commission via gun point.
Captains Coxon and Sawkins are relieved and killed in action respectively, with admiral role falling to Sharp
He failed nuermous attacks on ships and when he finally defeated a ship, he brutally tortured the crew and filled a spanish friar, with the crew questioning his fitness for the role.
He was ousted but reinstated after the new captain died in an attempt to capture a ship.
His flagship Trinity was blown off course after he plundered South America and the Carribean to head to England via the Magellan strait, but a storm pushed the Trinity far to the South, forcing him to navigate the Cape.

Sharp and 3 other accounts and witnesses attested to these events, Sharp drew an Atlas for the Naval British department,
Famously his Pardon of his actions was largely thanks to a book of maps taken from the ship El Santo Rosario (The Holy Rosary)
It was translated and deemed the "Wagoner of the Great Southern Sea"

[bleak drift]

Theres definitely more nuance to how emmeth and zunesha refer to him as joyboy, because its most likely a title and characters like imu who have presumably been alive since the void century also refer to present day ppl by old names (imu also calling luffy joyboy and calling rocks davy jones)

[icy dagger]

Your example of imu is explicitly the issue with the idea of joyboy being a title, imu calls rocks DAVY JONES, which isn’t a title, it’s the NAME of a person.

When Vegapunk is describing Joyboys life, he doesn’t say he’s CALLED Joyboy, he explicitly says his NAME is Joyboy.

Both Zuniesha and Emeth call Luffy Joyboy yet take it BACK. If it were merely a title for the Nika user (which would already be extremely redundant), then they’d have no reason to take it back. Nothing they say implies it’s anything more than the name of their friend

Imu in general is a pretty broken and ptsd ridden character. Him calling Luffy and Rocks by the names of his greatest enemies is more representative of him being completely stuck in the past. Unwilling to accept the world for what it is now and constantly thinking about and living in his history

[unkempt grotto]

Notably Bartholomew Kuma's biblical linkage to The Holy Rosary and the events of Sharpe's journey mirroring the events he suffered to a degree.

The Mysteries of the Rosaries, with all:

56 (5 of which were newly introduced to bring in the Set for "The Mysteries of Light") "Hail Mary"
6 of which are Reddened to symbolised "Glory Be"
6 Blue Beads, 4 of which flank the neck of the wearer, as a further 2, lead to the Sign of the Cross "Our Father"
1 Yellow Medallion of which is "Hail the Holy Queen"

Hail, holy Queen, mother of mercy,
Hail our life, our sweetness, and our hope.
To you we cry, poor banished children of Eve;
to you we send up our sighs,
mourning and weeping in this valley of tears.

Turn, then, most gracious advocate,
your eyes of mercy toward us;
and after this, our exile,
show unto us the blessed fruit of your womb, Jesus.
O clement, O loving, O sweet Virgin Mary.

℣ Pray for us, O holy Mother of God.
℟ That we may be made worthy of the promises of Christ.

and the Brown sign of the Cross, for which you Cross and bless yourself and means that in alignment with the Apostle's Creed, "This is a Symbol of Faith"

And the typical mysteries of the Rosary follow Joyful, Luminous, Glorious mysteries and Sorrowful Mysteries.
For which these meditations are to bring about the Spiritual Goal of "Fruits" assigned to each Goal
For each mystery, there are 5 goals unto which 5 fruits are based under.

If this even makes a lick of sense as to where this is going, there will be either 15 or 20 original fruits, on which the Ancient Kingdom produced

The Mysteries of Rosary may lead to what exactly certain fruits and their first beholders wished to bring about with that power

If by chance the so far God: fruits are all Mythical Zoans.
we have 16 in Canon if we include the 5 elder stars' mythical zoans, hideously turned demons

We have yet to see 4 more Mythical Zoans, of which were the original powers The Ancient Kingdom grew and bestowed onto people of the great Land of the God

Which then brings the question why are there fruits other than the Mythical Zoan fruits.
Why do the Logias, Paramecias, Ancient and Regular Zoans exist
Perhaps the name Devil Fruits, are to bear in mind, If by some aspect of Strong Faith in a person through other people, it truly strengthens the Mythical Zoans of the Ancient Kingdom
If a standard devil fruit is to bear within you supernatural powers of light and imitate the capabilities of the gods that which resided among the world's great border, the Red Line.

Perhaps the sins of Joyboy's race was that this godly power was taken and used by a man who did not belong to the gods

Which would come to make sense of how Joyboy with his Sun God Nika powers alone, could pose such a threat to the First Twenty to that degree

[bleak drift]

neither zunesha nor emeth “take it back”, emeth even admits he knows it cant be the same guy in 1122 and zuneshas dialogue also seems like they know its not the same joyboy from the past. Even vegapunk says “They called him Joyboy”, not that his actual name was joyboy but rather a title other people gave him like how people today call luffy “strawhat”

I brought up Imu referring to new people by old names not because i think davy d. jones is a title (i think its his name) but because we see a pattern of old characters referring to people by names of ancient people when they represent someone from the past.

[bleak drift]

And i still wanna know what u think about this

[icy dagger]

Honestly? I don’t know if they’re “helping” Joyboy or pushing their own agenda based on what they saw

[bleak drift]

heres the vegapunk panel that i forgot to add

[icy dagger]

It was assumed they wanted to fulfill whatever was said on laughtale but realistically it seems to be that they resent what they saw that day.

During Vegapunk’s speech he calls out the Roger pirates for knowing the full truth yet never sharing it to anyone. And the chapter ends on a note that on my first read I felt pretty disturbed by, which is a drunken Rayleigh telling him not to “spoil the fun”

This was during the reveal that the world is effectively ending

[icy dagger]

That’s not the Viz translation, in the official translation it’s said it’s his name. Further emphasized by everyone else treating it as such.

And I do want to emphasize that joyboy being a title is incredibly pointless and redundant. If we are assuming he also helmed the title of “Nika” due to his fruit, why are there two equally significant titles, but only ONE was fully erased from history? It actively makes no sense and overcomplicates what’s ultimately a much simpler answer

Joyboy is the name of a person. Is it a weird name? Sure, so is charlotte oven pudding and Monkey D Dragon

[unkempt grotto]

if the Theory of Imu being a Three Eyed tribe member is to take hold, perhaps in the ability to hear the voice of all things, with the fact that Imu is essentially an Immortal who has led the World Government for all of the Void century.
Perhaps Pudding being a half breed of Three Eyed only means she is able to peer into the person she is in touch with, and their memories.
Whereas Imu a pure bred Three Eyed tribe, can see who the person takes after, the Will of D. is a protection in which Imu cannot see who the member of the Will of D is, only seeing the protector of the person.

If Imu saw firsthand Luffy or Vivi or Blackbeard, perhaps Imu would see Joyboy, Lilli and Davy Jones
hence why she has an interest for those members

[icy dagger]

Can you please make a word document this is borderline spam.

[unkempt grotto]

Ok

[unkempt grotto]

Lowkey any like random theories i'll throw here ngl

[bleak drift]

I dont really see how everyone treats it as a name but yeah it is correctly translated as “his name is”. Even if it is his name the main point to the original message I was replying to was how all of these old characters reference joyboy once they see luffys awakened form, rather than nika, implying that joyboys ideas must have been related to him awakening his fruit and subsequently luffy having awakened as well.

On top of emeth trusting luffy cause he has the will of D and luffys ideology of freedom coinciding with rogers which is all implied to be similar to joyboy and nikas ideologies as well

[icy dagger]

Because they associate joyboy with a specific individual

That’s why zuniesha never actually says LUFFY is joyboy, despite momonosuke asking Zuniesha to clarify if LUFFY is joyboy

He just hears the drums and says joyboy returned

Only to follow up on this 2 chapters later by later “speaking” to Joyboy and saying they should put faith in LUFFY

that same chapter has Kaido asking TWICE who Luffy is, juxtaposed with zuniesha clarifying to us that joyboy is not the same as Luffy, as Luffy says his full name

The exact same way it’s handled with Emeth. Emeth exclaims several times that he’s happy to see Joyboy again, only to realize luffy isn’t Joyboy and asks for his ACTUAL NAME.

[cursive merlin]

Guys i think kidd is alive. End of theory

[swift cosmos]

Joyboy is a title

I know someday Joyboy's actual name will be published in Morgen's paper

[granite folio]

luffy won't like the idea of all it being a fate , as we know he isn't a guy who would want to become pirate king just because thats how the fate was decided, he would want to win the title all by himself not because of some fate, that would lead to him being very angry at laughtale instead of being happy , this particular thing could lead to a certain change in the way luffy thinks ig

[granite folio]

it very well could be as luffy is called only "mugiwara" (straw hat) at some instances, so maybe due to that guy's actual personailty of being joyful could lead to him being called "joyboy"

[icy dagger]

The prophecy shit is 100% going to be rejected by luffy. He will choose not to follow it and go down his own path. It’s a pretty consistent theme between him and Blackbeard, Blackbeard relying entirely on fate while Luffy denies it

[icy dagger]

As of now it is explicitly said his NAME was joyboy

Otherwise are we going to start assuming every name we think sounds weird is actually a title?

Like should we assume Zoro isn’t his actual name and is actually a title for a strong swordsman in his village just because it’s too on the nose?

People calling Luffy Joyboy is the literal equivalent of Imu calling Rocks Davy D. Jones, or during the raid when people called momonosuke Kaido

He resembles joyboy due to him using his trademark devil fruit, which is why every single time when luffy is called joyboy, oda chooses to juxtapose it with luffy being asked his identity and affirming it’s LUFFY

When Emeth calls luffy joyboy; he doesn’t say “oh it’s because nika fruit users are called joyboy”

He says he THOUGHT luffy was Joyboy because he resembles him, but knows that Joyboy is dead

[granite folio]

if we consider the loop of time to be true, in which imu tries to maintain the loop as it is going it is gonna play an essential role (if u have read that theory) but if u haven't let me simplify it, in the mural in elbaf the three worlds are shown, by that we can assume that there is a loop going on in which the imu/evil deity always wins, but if the loop breaks and luffy does something different, the loop is gonna shatter and hence luffy will free the world from the wrongs that imu is doing

[icy dagger]

I don’t think the loop is that a evil deity is what wins every time

If anything the opposite is implied based on the legend of nika and its significance to the 3 worlds and how they end

[granite folio]

very well it could be a name but that isn't like totally necessary, thats what i said also

[granite folio]

i don't meant to say that evil deity wins but just shortened my reply, i meant to say that world keeps falling into abyss as the mural itself says

[icy dagger]

In every era that nika appears in, the people at the top of the world fear the day of his return, because it means that their time is over and they will be abolished. This tracks seeing as each world ends with Nikas return.

The actual loop is that those who are oppressed become oppressors in a constant cycle

[granite folio]

yeah exactly , thats what i meant to portray, nika returns but the opressors are still opressors in a cycle

u r also very knowledgable about the things that are going on, i hope so that one of ur statements/theories become true

[icy dagger]

The title of “god” is a meaningless term that effectively attempts to deify subsets of humanity to ensure their power is retained. Skypeia tackles this, the celestial dragons are considered to be “gods” alongside the 20 kings.

But during the void century; the 20 kings were representative of humanity as a whole, while Joyboy represented the upper class of the world, the equivalent of the world government of his time.

Aka Joyboys side represented the “gods” of the world

[granite folio]

thats a pretty bold claim but i really don't think so that joyboy was one of the upper classmen, as we have seen that devil fruits have a will of themselves and nika fruit's will is shown to be very strong as it has avoided the world government itself for a long period of time, i don't think so that it could have fallen into the hands of a person who is potentially a harm to the world, so joyboy being a mass murderer seems really not possible, rather he could have been one of the kings who represented the humanity and opposed the things that were kind of suppressing the world, but its a whole mess if we think it like that, vegapunk said that joyboy was the first person we could call a pirate so it could even be the case that he wasnt a king or an upperclass guy

[bleak drift]

So your theory would be that joyboy led the ancient kingdom which was doing the same shit the current world governemnt is doing, so by association with joyboy the fishmen, minks, samurais, the ancient giants, and potentially tontattas, lunarians, buccaneers, and skypieans were all evil back then?

And id like to ask you how you think Davy Jones fits into all of this

[raw scarab]

I might have something here regarding Loki, his devil fruit and why he wields a hammer.
⦁ In Ancient Etruscan, they had a god Suri
⦁ Suri was the underworld, VOLCANIC LIGHTNING, SUN and darkness god
⦁ Note, Volcanic Lightning is a natural phenomenon
⦁ Was to represent the Sun as both a source of health and destruction
⦁ Was influenced and equivalent to Hades and Pluto
⦁ Had a wolf like appareance, and often seen wielding a sledgehammer
⦁ Manth and Charun are often interchanged name wise with Suri, depending on the region
⦁ Surtr and Suri scholars say are potentially connected, since both their names mean 'Black', they have similar domains of power, and surt was said to 'move from the south'.
Therefore, I make the case that Loki is the Suri/Surtr, a hammer wielding Giant Wolf God that commands the fire and lightning of the underworld. This would tie Loki with Pluton.

[icy dagger]

They don’t all have to necessarily be evil, just allied in the war vs the 20 kings.

The world government has damn near every single kingdom allied under its symbol. Millions of marines stationed across the world. Yet it’s been emphasized countless times they’re not all evil just because they’re a part of the WG.

The same way that not all 20 kings were necessarily good or evil

But ultimately the framing of the war implies that at least the war was a battle of ideals and morals, rather than strictly good vs bad. Humanity banding together to be able to overthrow the monstrous worldwide force of the ancient kingdom

[craggy kernel]

Hope so

[icy dagger]

The problem is that joyboy not only allied himself with a kingdom that created the most horrific world ending weapons in history, but wanted to preserve all THREE of them, and not destroy them.

Joyboy was indeed a pirate, but that doesn’t mean he wasn’t of insanely high status given his influence across the entire world. We already know Davy Jones was king of the world in spite of becoming a pirate, and we have examples of pirates attaining world power through people like the yonko

The fact that joyboy was the FIRST pirate means that he was considered a criminal by the ancient kingdom at least for several decades. Remember Luffy doesn’t represent the actual average or epitome of piracy. Pirates don’t go around saving kingdoms or nations. And for Joyboy to be the first means the definition of piracy originated from his actions when he defected from the ancient kingdom

[frail rose]

i have had a longstanding theory that Imu will be a pink haired girl with a golden crown that Usopp will counter or appear to counter in some way. This is foreshadowed by Perona (nearly has the name Nerona) and the immortal Sugar, who both have hax abilities that are only countered by Usopp

[craggy kernel]

Go. D. Usopp for a reason

[fringe hemlock]

guys

i been saying Usopp represents Jesus and him being Davy Jonsian is a ref to Jesus being a descendant of David, and apparently Joseph (Jesus’s father) is like Yosopp or sum in Hebrew. it can’t get more obvious

[muted valley]

Yosef is Joseph in hebrew

Also the jonseian was a translation choice. It isnt actually how its written in japanese. More so "follower of the pirateDavey jones" is correct, more than a "Davy jonseian pirate" like the one translation

[granite folio]

well if u put it like that, it could the case where joyboy originally was a king or upperclassmen, but he opposed everyone's idea of oppression, and decided to rebel them and hence was considered a pirate, we will know more about this adventure as we go on, but this could also be the case

[plain tapir]

https://youtu.be/bCFGmr1BQVA?si=J9BVqCEkowpoUtKk

One of the inest theories I have seen

[kind vault]

I feel like Luffy is not going to accept about he ate an Devil Fruit cuz of Joyboy and Nika when Straw Hats will be ahead to Lodestar and find out the truth lol

[granite folio]

i m sure that he is really going to be pissed after nowing that after he got his devil fruit it was all his fate that only he ended up at laughtale , he became the pirate king because of some "fate" he will denyy that fact straight away

[kind vault]

I agree that and the fruit chose him cuz he didn't know Shanks carry fruit that even reason of Ace as Roger's son..I believe he will be pissed off and upset that don't know if he is going to accept the fate.

[granite folio]

i don't think so he will accept it, that's why i made the theory that after denying this fact he will do some events (that i can't be sure of so not worth mentioning) that will break the loop of time in which the suppressed ones are being suppressed even after nika's awakening. luffy denying the fate holds a lot of relevance for breaking the loop of time which is maintained by imu (maybe someone else who could parallel of imu in the past)

[kind vault]

that's why WG was after the fruit and planning to save then stole by Shanks. I have a feeling that Robin will tell everything what she discovered the truth about the Void Century. Probably Luffy will face against Imu and gonna mention ''Joyboy'' that suppose make him dislike and he should know it's just an someone is referring as a ''Joyboy '' or ''Nika''. Crazy 900 years

[granite folio]

could be true but i doubt he would like being called joyboy or nika

[kind vault]

I doubt He gonna be realize about his journey when he gonna be pirate king and it's really deep like a cut then what he gonna be and i know he wants everyone to get a freedom.

[fringe hemlock]

im saying Usopp is a descendant of Davy Jones

[granite folio]

i disagree on the Blackbeard part tho, in marineford when blackbeard used gura gura no mi's power everyone was shocked and whitebeard pirates said it is impossible for a "normal" person to consume 2 devil fruits, if one does they die. And then marco (1st division commander of whitebeard pirates) stated that that is true for "nomral" people, but teach's "body structure" is not "normal" , so rather feeding his shadow a devil fruit he consumed it himself (the reasoning is still not yet revealed) , and i don't think so he could use his shadow to make himself a 2 devil fruit user

[ocean totem]

I was thinking on how powerful Blackbeard’s crew needs to be to fight on par with the rest of the God’s Knights, Strawhats, WG, Admirals, etc. We know Blackbeard just got informed on the location of Pluton on Wano. Now based on his reaction, he seemed interested. We all know Blackbeard and his crew are devil fruit hunters, what devil fruits are in Wano? Well if Kaido and Big Mom are truly dead, then their devil fruits are now there somewhere. I do t think it’s a coincidence that Oda set up a reason for Blackbeard to come to Wano. I’m not sure if he’ll get Pluton but I bet he’ll get those devil fruits and amp his crew even more

[slender fulcrum]

My real guess about that is that what they read on the poneglyph or whatever in laugh tale that made them laugh is a prophecy about what is to come. Elbaph kids knew it too, and those who crafted the poneglyph and wrote on them too.

The story contain a warning about not to spoil the outcome because then, the outcome would change, that's why the Rogers pirate said nothing, and that's why Oden ripped out the last pages of his log.

The story in itself is not really detaild but might have mention a blessed child that would trigger the change in the world. Maybe it featured Roger's itself and that's why Roger surrendered himself, because he knew the part he had to play to launch the great Pirate era

[muted valley]

Easier to say that next time, since your explanation really didnt make any sense and was rooted in false premises. That really dont make sense. I doubt it because we'd have Ussop being a D, and more info on his lineage.

[muted valley]

BBs crew while lacking in CoC users, really is kinda made up of different but powerful abilities that are good in scenerios. More so than raw battles.

Their abilities really are specialized for specific types of combat and it seems BB is specializing and planning around that. Where some of them can stall overpower them via that vs outright disable them.

[fringe hemlock]

its the same thing

[ocean totem]

Well the Gods Knight’s have busted abilities too plus the crazy regen, for the most part they’re cooking the Blackbeard pirates aside from Kuzan, BB, and Catarina. I just don’t think they can do much without CoC

[muted valley]

@fringe hemlock I advise you to reread it and think. The why is there.

@ocean totem
I think BB will be able to disable them for most purposes. While they do have DF abilities. BB revolves around plans and situations to elevate his leverage in situations. The regen thing is the hardest thing to beat but its been kinda proven most GK are just over powered fodder with a regen ability. I think BB crew holds a much better chance than say the revs. BB has alot and alot of utility that can impead them and has the ultimate debuff.

[ocean totem]

That is the most they can do is imprede them, though other than Blackbeard and Kuzan and I’d argue the God’s Knights have way more versatility in their DFs than the BB Pirates.

Now, I don’t think they’ll fight a lot of them anyway, I think that’ll be the Revs and possibly Loki taking out Shamrock

[raw scarab]

I can't really agree. One thing to consider is that half of BBs crew were recruited from the most powerful pirates captured in the world. The other thing is their DFs are incredibly versatile and strong. Devon for example we havent seen the extent of her powers, but she might have the powers of beings like saturn. Also BB on the battlefield might be able to negate Imu's powers of those near him. Not regenerating and having reduced strength could make the GK pushovers. We haven't seen the exact extend of BB's powers, but we know that he said the devil's power is negated by his power. The last thing is that BB might get control of the seraphim and add them to his crew, as well as at least one ancient weapon. I think the GK might badly beaten soon.

[ocean totem]

I don’t think it was ever said the impel down prisoners were some of the most powerful pirates in the world, they did say they were among the most dangerous criminals though.

And again Blackbeard is coasting through probably all of them along with Kuzan and probably Catarina like I mentioned. But the rest of them don’t have any advantage on them with their devil fruits and definitely not their Haki.

We haven’t seen Blackbeard be able to negate powers of those around him, only when he’s touching them. So for now I won’t give that to him. And even if he could I think Blackbeard cooks all the God’s Knights anyway.

[raw scarab]

In marineford, he was able to spread his darkness to the battlefield around him, and told Whitebeard his powers no longer worked. He did a defensive manuever afterwards to stop whitebeards punch, but at that point he had already said Whitebeards powers were nullfied for being near him now that his darkness had spread.

Sengoku did say BB took the strongest of the most dangerous pirates of the world. (He had them fight a deathmatch so more than just dangerous but actually the strongest in a room of high bounty pirates) This was the level where people like Ace and Jimbe were kept, so we are talking multiple millions of dollars of bounties. Especially the ones that were there just with their haki/fighting skills and no DF yet. It would be interesting to see a flashback of some of these pirates, but only so much time left in one piece.

[ocean totem]

https://youtu.be/opVi7Fz0Wks?si=2aB8ctC7uLLJbTyf

Notice how Whitebeard is throwing his quakes and Blackbeard is playing defense with his vortex from his hands. Then, Blackbeard takes the offensive WHILE maintaining grip of Whitebeard with his hand so he can’t use his DF. Whitebeard then breaks free of his Vortex grip and IMMEDIATELY charges up another Gura that Blackbeard absorbs with his hand.

Furthermore, Whitebeard strike him with his Blade and what does he do? Pins both his hands so he can’t use freely Gura him in the face.

Also, Sengoku said he took the strongest of the world’s most dangerous criminals not pirates.

The strongest Pirates are not in Impel down because they can’t reasonably be taken down, without massive losses from the Navy.

Which is why they formed the Warlords System and they just don’t mess with the Yonkou

[raw scarab]

This to me is the scariest objective of BB, and likely in my mind what points to him as the final villain of the story. After getting blackbeard power, he mentions destroying everything. But I don't think that means literally destroy everything, more the power to combat any force in his way. He even threatens Sengoku to try and save marineford from destruction. But with all the Imu stuff, we know the world can mean something a little different. The fact he is saying he wants to control the world and swallow everything, makes me think BB might get access to something very powerful within the redline. I wouldnt be shocked if BB found a way to gain access to not only Imu's powers, but whatever may be enhancing Imu's powers. Fulfilling Rock's vision. We could see BB with 100 DF powers at the very end, like some giant monstrosity.

[ocean totem]

I actually completely agree with this

[raw scarab]

FYI - We don't use Anime to argue Manga points in here. I am pointing to the Manga at all times. The anime shows slightly different abilities than the Manga.

[ocean totem]

Are you saying these scenes don’t happen in the Manga?

[raw scarab]

some of them do not, yes. The anime takes some liberaties. The conflict with BB and whitebeard in the manga is very short and has slight differences. The anime expands and adds its own interpretations, like BB cancelling out whitebeards several attacks...ect. I dont think that aligns exactly with what I read in the Manga. When BB takes a hit, his black hole phases away, so whitebeard in my mind can use his powers.

[ocean totem]

I’m almost positive it’s pretty close to 1:1 of the manga but I’ll look for it.

[raw scarab]

BB takes a rough hit from Whitebeard, and you can see the damage is enough for BB to lose concentration on his black hole, so now Whitebeard can use his quake fruit. (the black hole vanishes.)

[muted valley]

Everyone he recruited were erased from history and were considered some of the most dangerous and strong pirates.

[vestal yacht]

And he also knows how to gather fruits after the user dies

[ocean totem]

That is a broad range of power tho, not one of them could handle First Commanders of Yonkou’s based on what we’ve seen

[raw scarab]

He has a point that they often say criminals. So Crocodile is not exactly considered a Pirate. Kuma was also not exactly a pirate, depending on the year you found him. Some of the most dangerous beings on the planet dont have to be pirates. A lot of those in level 6 were some of the more powerful beings during the 'golden age of piracy', so hard to say if that means they were pirates too or people who tried to defeat countries without spending a ton of time at sea.

People like Shiki were down there.

[ocean totem]

If Blackbeard could do it without making Physical contact with the vortex why does Everytime he fight someone with a Devil Fruit he use his hands to draw them in and absorb their power? He does this with Ace, then Luffy, then more recently with Law. In every one of these fights he uses vortex from his hands and makes physical contact to nullify their devil fruits. If he could do it without making physical contact why wouldn’t he do that? Why would he handicap himself so hard? The most reasonable answer is because he can’t, he has to touch them.

However, I believe if he awakens the Yami he can nullify at a range, but so far it is clear he cannot. He can draw them in but he can’t nullify. An example of this : Ace was able to shoot him with his fire while he was being pulled in.

[raw scarab]

I think it leaves him vulnerable and is not always the best technique. We see him try to unleash the black hole when S-hawk is using haki attacks close to BB (and BB def. on the defense.) There is also the first time BB uses black hole, and notes it can absorb anything when fighting ace. Ace is wondering why BB isn't having it touch him. BB wanted to surprise him and first show him sucking up the town before him. The darkness is what absorbs the DF powers (as well as BB touching your since he is the darkness as well.) Ace was being pulled in, but not touching the darkness, so he would be uneffected.

[raw scarab]

It isnt handicapping, spreading out his darkness has limitations, takes some time. WB could barely walk, and BB let it spreadout. THe seraphim was too fast and strong, but BB unleashed Black hole to get lucky, and the Serphim could jump out of it. Sucking in DF users with his technique as you note is strong, but since the darkness is not touching the DF user (or BB), it has downside of giving the DF user a last chance to use their powers. His black vortex a quick way to pull in the user, and once his hand touches you, negates your powers, which to me is his current best ability, especially when fighting a single strong opponent (especially one who relies on DF powers.)

[ocean totem]

I’m just saying his liberation and spreading his darkness around the area have been shown to be distinctly different than when he uses Vortex to draw in a DF user and Nullify their powers.

At the very least merely touching the darkness isn’t nearly as potent as being drawn in and held by the Vortex ability.

It slowly can pull things into it when he absorbed the town where he fought Ace at. It never gave the implication that it was enough to nullify his fruit tho. But if he actually makes physical contact with you using Black Vortex your powers are completely nullified while he remains in contact with you.

[raw scarab]

He used it on WB and said his powers were now nullified, so I think just making contact with blackbeard darkness nullifies powers. We might disagree, just my interpretation.

[ocean totem]

Do you have the panel for that?

[raw scarab]

this is the panel that makes me think Oda is still hiding some of blackbeards powers being fully flexed. We can see the black hole not suck in anything, but it sends tendrils on Whitebeard. Whitebeard tries to attack, but the darkness is grasping him, and BB says his powers no longer work. I think the anime interpreted this slightly differently. I think this technique really worked well against WB because he could barely walk. Otherwise, why even do blackhole here if he isnt planning on pulling in WB? It must have nullification abilities is my thought, and seems to be confirmed by BB. Teach when fighting Ace even states his darkness can absorb anything, including DF powers. I think that implies both the darkness, as well as teach himself who is basically darkness now.

WB a moment later hits teach with his weapon, and the black hole disappears, and WB immediately grabs BB and has his powers back.

The darkness also have a gravity, which can pull in DF powers (the gravity itself doesnt take the powers, just pulls people in), they still have to touch darkness or teach to lose it.

[ocean totem]

Okay but hold on, there might be more to his power but he is using his hand there specifically. I'm pretty sure the next panel is him absorbing the quake with his hand right?
The darkness itself can drag things into it that aren't devil fruit users, like the town he dragged and then used liberation to expel. I think here he is using it to hold Whitebeard down. But again in that last panel he is telling him the quake powers won't work on him while raising his hand to absorb the incoming quake

[raw scarab]

There actually is no quake, its a straight punch (Whitebeard does earthquake punches to people), but it was a straight punch (not like when he fought ace and cancelled out the fire before it hit him.) HIs power was already nullfied it looked like. The other thing is BB is not immune to damage, a punch from WB even without DF powers is going to hurt a lot. I think he still used his darkness to block the attack because its still a DF user attack, and since BB can control their bodies blocked the punch. The blade however, is not a DF user, so BB can't cancel that.

[ocean totem]

Yea whitebeard coats his hand with the quake fruit power and does a straight punch which Blackbeard absorbs with his Hand. The darkness he is stepping in doesn't prevent Whitebeard from doing this

[raw scarab]

there is no coating it seems. We just see a DF user punch basically getting blocked. Whitebeard hadnt realized his powers were nullfied (or would not really care at that point against teach.) All I am saying is nothing is 100% here, we havent seen Teach use his powers a lot like the strawhats or even people like law.

[nova cloud]

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePieceSpoilers/s/n7yQ2jehTs

this dudes theory is pretty spot on with the narrative of the story and where it’s been taking us. What do you guys think?

[ocean totem]

That's different, that is his typical way of making a quake, that's not really a punch he later does straight punches with quakes around his fists, which Blackbeard also nullifies

[granite folio]

i have a theory that garp and aokiji are involved with revolutionaries too, many people assume aokiji but ig garp is there too, they work like under cover agents for dragon, as in the past few chapter we got to see what happened at god valley, garp witnessed all of it alongwith dragon, also dragon was locked in a prisoner cell ig the same thing applies to other soldiers who were present a god valley, this very well is for keeping it a secret, garp helped dragon escape and he formed revolutionary army, we don't know that much about garp but he seems a kind hearted man, if he knows that world government is basically exploiting normal people he wouldn't hold back, also post eneies lobby he said to luffy that dragon told him that he met luffy at loguetown, basically saying garp and dragon have still contact with each other and garp raised luffy it basically states that in one way or other garp and dragon still maintain a contact, garp could have decided to remain in navy to basically feed dragon insider info about world government and aokiji as garp's disciple could be a part too as on 2 different occasions he decided to let go straw hats when he single handedly could have captured them, aokiji's part is still a little unknown to me, but as of know i can speculate it to be that he joined Blackbeard pirates to know more about their objectives and what method they r using to get two devil fruits or maybe why they are gathering a lot of them, as blackbeard is one of key players in the final war so thats why ? but i don't believe garp is a guy who would know what happened at god valley and still decides to just sit in navy

[swift plover]

Blackbeard engulfed WB

TL;DR: BB took WB's fruit by turning into full darkness, then surrounding WB's body as the fruit left his body

I think the mystery of how BB took WBs fruit under that tarp has been made out to be way more complicated than I think it is.

1st of all: We know that devil fruits have some sort of soul/will/devil (thats especially prominant in zoans, but probably reside in other fruits as well). When we saw Smiley die, we saw the fruit transfer to a nearby apple, almost as if the "soul" of the fruit moved on from its host

2nd: Big Moms flashback shows us BM gaining her powers from eating Mother Carmel. This tells us that if the user dies surrounded by another person, the fruit goes to them

3rd: Blackbeards fruit is definitely strange, but I think one of the ways it differs from normal logia is just cus we always see him in some degree of lighting. We know that when a logia like Crocodile is exposed to water, he has trouble becoming fully intangible, so mayhaps that is why BB is seemingly incapable of turning into full darkness; because there is light keeping him from using his full power

With these three gears in motion, I think the way BB took WB's fruit was by completely surrounding WB with himself in full darkness mode under the tarp, leaving the soul of the fruit nowhere else to go but him

as for how he can HANDLE having two fruits, that is definitely more up to speculation on his lineage and/or other properties of the dark dark fruit

[brave ice]

THE MAN MARKED BY FLAMES

I believe the man marked by flames is Hanafuda because he fits two of the criteria’s Shiryu mentioned. A, the world government connection, (he was a warlord who worked for them so that fits, B, He fought against Ace, who wielded flame powers, I’m assuming when ace defeated him he left him with a burn scar. Those are the 2 reasons why I have a feeling Hanafuda is the man marked by flames. We don’t know about his devil fruit or if he even has one, we haven’t even seen or heard a thing about him since the day they mention ace defeated him, I’m not sure we even have the confirmation he’s dead. The only uncertainty I have is, how did he get his hands on the last ponegliff.

[iron current]

https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Hanafuda he is dead

[brave ice]

Oh shit

[zenith acorn]

“Yeah, I agree. Luffy doesn’t really care about titles or legends like that—he’d probably hate being boxed into a role.”

[muted valley]

I literally think it will either be he sucked out the fruit with his df. Or literally hid he had an apple and was going to use it to transfer the fruit.

We see Burgess try to stab and kill sabo for the fruit on dressrossa. He really wanted the fruit and power. That the act of taking fruit isnt exclusive to BB. Burgess would likley be able to do it himself.

As well as the mystery how doffy got the flare fruit. Which he could buy but also was around when ace died. Wouldn't surprise me if he understood df reincarnation and how to best use it.

[raw laurel]

Judge will become a gorsei ?

In the drafts judge was suppose to be a cd. Oda will go full circle https://www.reddit.com/r/onepiecetheories/s/qqKB5As8LZ

[swift cosmos]

I like the shadow theory more

[ocean totem]

I wonder then if he is significantly more powerful at night? This would be interesting when you consider BB doesn't sleep, although this doesn't really have anything to do with his fruit, but he can become significantly more powerful at night and won't have to rest. We know for a fact that his body is capable of the two DF feat as Marco specifically stated this is normally impossible but since BB has a weird body structure, this is entirely surprising.

[somber sleet]

Guys this might be it https://www.instagram.com/p/DTXCvJ2CiZ_/?igsh=MTRnbHEyN3F4d2p2aA==

[wise dune]

Most of the part might be correct, But I don't think One piece is the land under the Ocean as one being One piece , nah oda clearly said it's a physical object

[proven lion]

I think I know why Imu is so afraid of Sun God Nika, it's the fucking X tattoo, I have a feeling that instead of a contract for that it's going to be like he just is able to bestow it to anyone he wants and it probably has no limits.. it's going to be like when Naruto transferred his 9 tails chakra to everyone, That's probably why Imu is so afraid of him, because if he gets people on his side he can actually go against Imu. And just think about how the story has played out, he's gone from country to country slowly building nations worth of allies. Also something to think about is what mihawk said he said Luffys most impressive power is that he can bring people together.. I think this all ties in.

[proven lion]

Also think about Imus power, it's based off a board game called Reversi or Othello wouldn't it be fitting for Luffy to have a X that represents Tic Tac Toe.

[proven lion]

Or alternatively keeping it related to Othello

If the x shape is how the game starts then maybe Luffy could pull back people have been domi reversied ‘back to the start of the game’ or back to normal

[uncut flicker]

i really like your theory but i thought this was vivi giving a hint to the straw hats that she's alive through the mark of friendship made in alabasta. however you could still work it in the theory as like that mark still being made anyway to bring people together like with vivi

[proven lion]

That was earlier on in the story, the mark g5 Luffy gets is a product of his transformation.

[uncut flicker]

though i believe the arm blurriness but the mark being crystal clear is simply that vivi placed it there in the newspaper as a hint and thats why it doesn't fit in

[proven lion]

I don't think so because emet also has it

It's a symbol for Nika, pirates, and in the story friendship.. it doesn't just have a single meaning.

[uncut flicker]

i dont remember that so you might be correct lmfao mbmb

[raw scarab]

more reversi nods, that floor has been always sus to me

[proven lion]

Yeah it certainly does look like a board

[raw scarab]

This really adds to my theory, I think you are on to something. If the WG flag is basically a world reversi'd, then luffy isnt just seeking to turn it white, but rather wipe the slate clean.

[proven lion]

Oh FUCK

FLIP THE WORLD UPSIDE DOWN, THIS IS THE ONE DUDE!

[uncut flicker]

HOLY FUCKING SHIT YOU GOT IT WHAT THE FUCK

[proven lion]

Yeah man

[proven lion]

Wow 🐐😅 this feels so convincing, and it makes even more sense when u add the bit about the x marking the beginning.. it represents the new dawn a new beginning.

[raw scarab]

sometimes the only thing you need to finish the war is One Piece

[proven lion]

[uncut flicker]

maybe each D. resembled each move of the game towards the new dawn

[brisk otter]

probably the most convincing theory I've heard, very subtle

[raw scarab]

A piece surrouned on all 8 sides. This structure is unturnable in reversi.

[proven lion]

Yeah it's very good I might actually make a video on YouTube or something

Will give props to hellgram for adding the bit about the world government flag, didn't even think about that tbh that sealed the deal.

[proven lion]

That was their flag!!

[fierce thorn]

I was on reddit and saw a post which sparked a thought in me.

The post was about Moria and why the WG would want him dead (Since the order came from above).
This could either mean Kaido or the WG.

But then I thought to myself what if the WG did want Moria dead, why would they want that?

And honestly I can up with 2 ideas.

• Imu's ability or body is more shadow so Moria could control that. (Which I think is unlikely)

What I think could be a more likely option though is a grudge against the fruit user.

In OP the WG themselves only seem to take notice of pirates who end up on the larger than life side of things so I could see it being plausable that Moria just wasn't noticed by the WG until Marineford (But was noticed by the Marines hence how he became a Warlord.)

Why would Imu have a grudge though against the shadow fruit?

Because Imu has no shadow. I can't remember seeing Imu with a shadow anywhere.

Even when the Gorosei are with Cobra, you see their shadows, but you don't see Imu's when their walking up the steps.

So what if Imu isn't a shadow being, but rather has no shadow.

That is why they stay secluded, why they covered head to toe and why they have to use a vessel in order to take action across the world.

Imagine being given Immortal life but unable to walk in the sun.

This could be why they are always by the glowing tree because it's not sunlight but looks like it, the closest Imu could get to the real light of the Sun without dying.

Which is why her opposite/nemsis is the God of said Sun

[swift cosmos]

I posted a video about this topic in #manga-serious

[fierce thorn]

Oooo really 😄 I'll go see if I can find it 😄 Thanks for letting me know

[swift cosmos]

It hints to Imu being a shadow that got a devil fruit and it's fairly well reasoned too

[fierce thorn]

Ooo yeah I haven't seen the aspect that they are a shadow themselves, the shadow of the real Imu. I'm still looking for it but too many messages in these channels sometimes lol

[proven lion]

I saw that theory, I don't really buy it too much though I do feel like there is some connections with souls/shadows/Imu/ and possibly Moria..

[swift cosmos]

I can believe it becuse it explain why Blackbeard has two fruits perfectly

[keen zodiac]

theory
the easiest to build connection to brook is hes a manmeyer gunko father

so during his time as battle convoy leader of certain kingdom manmeyer do a rabbit hunt at that kingdom, the result is getting gunko and brook, then brook joined god knight and enter covenant with imu, i dunno if you want to trust flashback but little gunko has brook wearing almost like GK attire

covenant corruption make it hard for brook to stay with gunko, until at some point he saved by a pirate, prob yorkie and then he replaced the captain position
his goal to be a pirate is to go as far from imu and somehow get gunko back
until he got lost at sea, and lost all the gk power being all bones (YOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHO)

and then gunko is the next manmeyer, gets mind wiped and joined hk because dad is very strong , also gunko means child soldier real name coming soon™

this connection make it easier to save gunko, because brook past experience being a gk, emotion connection being gunko father, some research he do being a pirate and free from the mind control, and the last is soul power, because for some reason having a DF power adjacent to imu get you eliminated like moria

being a gk makes brook nobody, also impede his haki because he already powerful with covenant, that could explain his low bounty as pirate same reason with how vinsmoke handle sanji

i like this theory because a joker character usually has the hardest nerf or had the biggest scar (i dont have scar YOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHO)

[zenith sphinx]

Wouldn’t this theory mean that Blackbeard can also give each of his commanders two fruits? Seeing as everyone has a shadow. It’s something he hasn’t don’t yet, but he is still trying to acquire more fruits. There are some concerns I have about the Blackbeard section, however the theory Imu is a shadow is very cool.

[swift cosmos]

And believable

[royal spruce]

What if we never see loki’s power and he just has the silhouette/offscreen fruit?

[fringe hemlock]

@cerulean vigil

[fringe hemlock]

@proud owl

[proven lion]

@raw scarab A piece surrouned on all 8 sides. This structure is unturnable in reversi. I have a feeling that what he's saying is symbolism for just that.

They later burnt down the world government flag, it is flipped because they are both foreshadows.. almost every important moment has a flipped variant.

Notice whitbeards flag on aces backs shape?

It is a symbol for the new dawn

His X is the flip on it, and represents the beginning as well.

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I think any chapter theory they just renamed it bc of the spoilers

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oh yeah thats very true that the X has been there the entire time with the pirate flag crossbones lmao

maybe the skull represents the whole idea of inherited will where like even in death we will still contribute to the new dawn because no matter what, our will lives on and true death is like what dr hiruluk said

[proven lion]

Not just that remember what was said? A piece that is flanked on 4 sides is flipped.. there are 4 pedals hiriluks flag, also look at aces back. White beards skull and cross bone is the same shape as the government and when he got burned a hole went thru it exactly like the flag on ennies lobby, and then Luffys scar, it is litteraly an X that he got the same exact way ace died. Much like how the flag didn't fully get burned on drum Island and wouldn't you know hahaha it's a skull and cross bone aka an X, again symbolism for start of a new game this is all significant I think, like sort of symbolism of what's to come.

Not to mention the very themes of the arc, we learn choppers power on drum island which litteraly foreshadowed hito hito model Nika for example, and it also touched on themes of passing of will.. same with MarineFord ace and whitebeard died concluding white beards era and the start of the final war, that is why whitebeard declared the One Piece was real was because he knew Luffy was the right person after meeting him, it was time to pass the torch.

[unkempt grotto]

A possible explanation for what the 1st world in the Harley text was referrring to:
The Hebrew Genesis
The Hebrew map of Mesopotamia denotes the planet of Earth as a star surrounded by a cosmic freshwater ocean with waterways to provide for rain with a mountain range of 4 mountaintops (Lebanon's twins on the left and Zagros of the East) supporting the sky of freshwater, with the sun's rise and fall drawn to be going through a 'Sun tunnel' lowering at 'Siduri's Pub' and this tunnel was encircled by Tiamat a monstrous sea serpent, the centre of this Sun tunnel lies the Land of the Dead "Underworld" with the ancient kingdom, the cradle of civilisation, Mesopotamia above it, on the surface.

The myth of creation: Tablets of Enuma Ellis (a summary)
In the beginning there was the primordial pair, Apzu of the freshwater and primordial life and Tiamat of the Saltwater and chaos
From the two, they spawned many younger gods, chaotic and evil by nature of Tiamat spawn
Ea or Nudimmud, knew of Tiamat's annoyance at their wicked deeds and tricks and Apzu's plans to perhaps be rid of the younger gods.
While Apzu the father was asleep through a spell he crafted, Ea stalked the sleeping god and wore his halo, slew Apzu and Mammu, the god of Creative Force, friend of Apzu, and forever chained Mammuu
From here, Ea and his wife Damkina was blessed with a child born in the body of Apzu, the fresh water god, Marmuk the Sun God was born.
Graced by the beauty of Marmuk the other gods blessed the world with the 4 winds, Ea made Cyclone, whirlwinds and Imhullu (The Evil Wind) to use together, the 7 winds, with An arrow kill the vengeful tiamat and her devilish sea monster spawn.
Tiamat in this battle tried to swallow Ea, but her mouth was filled with this Evil Wind, churning her from the inside, with a arrow striking her heart she too, was slain.
From Tiamat's halved body he created the Sky to house his siblings, and the other half to forever keep guard of Marmuk's journey through the Sun Tunnel
From this, Marmuk told Ea that he, the sun god should be sacrificed to create man, Ea chose instead to make man out of Kingu, the general of Tiamat's wicked army.
Marduk divided the gods, 300 of heaven, and 600 of earth.

So on and So Forth (Read it, it leads to Gilgamesh)

If the Demonic Spirit residing within the Devil fruit when bound with a person, sees the action of the user's attempt to swim at sea as the Demon returning home
(as the tree of life Eve is famous depicted with the Elbaph's children's art, sprouting fruits with the text
"The forest god tamed demons and the Sun spread the fires of war"
If the Sun God in the harley is specifically named the 'Sun God'
This implies the Forest god's taming of the demons was not opposed by the sun god themself
If the first world's end
was to be seen as the story of mankind's greed for power "Within the Earth there was fire" (Earth's core) "Mankind succumbed to greed and touched the forbidden sun" (Man began to harvest the core of the Earth to power their world)
The Enslaved prayed and the Sun God appeared, possibly referring to the story of Atra Hasis, where the descendants of gods dedicated to farm labour, successfully rise up against Enlil, the master of the universe (the equivalent of Amun Ra Pta in Egyptian mythos)
And the gods are bestowed divine women, after which, the humans are made, rapidly multiplying and doing the labour, forever more as slaves to the gods.
For which the Sun God answers their prayers of injustice
"The Earth God raged and with it's serpent of Hellfire, shrouded the World in death and darkness"
The Earth God and their serpent of hellfire casts the cursed world to Darkness by extinguishing the Sun and bringing a cleansing of the wicked race of man (who stole and used the power of the sun, and also was led by Nika, the sun god)
(possibly an explanation of a Volcanic eruption as it too, creates a time of darkness and death)

It is important to note, This was before the ancient Kingdom

It is also to note that Aztec and Mayan belief in the event of an Eclipe was to be likened to the Sun being eaten or bitten.
The Sun is being attacked by divine forces, (Codex Borgia Folio 40)
The Eclipse could also mean demonic beings like (Tzitzimihe)
During the Solar Eclipse, demonic beings are attacking the Sun
If the Eclipse of the sun is complete, the demons of darkness will descend and eat all of man.
Chimalpahin "All the stars could be seen, At this time, phantoms, omens, demons of the kind brought by the wind, bad air from the Woods"
Apotropaic sacrifices are also done, Esorhadden of Assyria notably took a random person from the kingdom and bestowed them the crown, and awaited bad judgment and curses to be brought to that random person, while he the king disguised himself as a farmer

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that's a seriously incredible analysis i'll have to read more into this

[unkempt grotto]

i have spent several days going off to work with "religion for breakfast" the yt channel in my ear and going home to re-reading one piece and such
Currently fascinated by the shape of Darwin's atoll and how it's a sinking volcano island with the volcanoo long being extinct and how it slowlys shaves from the sides to the middle and eventually forms a pseudo open cross section of the volcano, forming an inland lagoon

[unkempt grotto]

Akhenaten, formerly Amunhotep iv is a curious study as well
A ruler who instead of worshipping the group of gods of Egypt, ruling over the various instances of nature and man alike
He instead praised only the Sun, Ra, changing even his name Amunhotep iv "Amun is content" to "Spirit of Aten" Akhenaten (Aten is the Solar Disc)
Stripping his name of the blessing of Amun Ra Ptah, the master of the universe and gods alike.
Sick with marfan's syndrome his body was also elongated and curved and often depicted him with feminine features as well as elongated limbs.
It is also of note, that his sucessor who held illegitmate claims to the throne, deemed his straying of the Egyptian gods of old as traitorous and deemed him "Akhenaten the Enemy"

currently hyperfixated on the detailed explanation of the Harley, and the possibility of Oda cotinually drawing inspiration from more and more mythos and One Piece earlier chapters itself
It would make sense that he continuously reads up on his own work to drop hints and clues in his art and dialogue if he has a chapter pair number system
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no you're cooking and this is exactly what theories are all about

[proven lion]

I actually believe its loosely based on the ancient Egyptian chronology, The Old Kingdom, Middle Kingdom, and New Kingdom... the Old Kingdom (c. 2700–2200 BCE) built the great pyramids where gods supposedly walked among men (the "Age of the Pyramids"), the Middle Kingdom (c. 2050–1800 BCE) focused on trade, irrigation, and reunifying Egypt, while the New Kingdom (c. 1550–1100 BCE) marked Egypt's peak as an empire, known for grand temples, expansion, and powerful pharaohs.