manga-theories

[thorny viper]

since loki is resting and healing up, blackbeard was able to defeat 1hp old whitebeard, so this would be no different for blackbeard

[gritty kite]

Is that info stated somewhere or your theory?

[late elm]

I’d have to look but not everything g has to say 1 for 1 exactly what oda is trying to portray to us. It’s the same way with devil fruits he hasn’t said that it’s exactly that there are souls in devil fruits but it’s implied.

[west jolt]

so nika the sun god fought imu the land god and the forest god made devil fruits which pissed off the sea god. A lot of gods beefing in the past

[pure raven]

Anyone else noticed that over time Luffy's burn scar on his chest is starting to resemble the same Imperial style fire attack that King uses? I think that could be a Lunarian symbol perhaps

[cobalt igloo]

@errant pasture don’t mention any other series details in your posts 🙏 please repost without the reference

[errant pasture]

Loki 's power is mainly based on eyes So anyone who see him get trapped in it .So the only counter is observation haki .During dressrosa ,Ussop is able to see the spirit of luffy, law and sugar with his eyes closed. In his fight against loki , He will finally master this ultimate form of haki but at a cost of his both eyes(sniper 's biggest weakness).He will sacrifice his both eyes to escape loki's power and will become the world first Blind sniper who can hit his target without eyes

[west jolt]

i predict that the gorosei including figarland are preparing for war. The WG will mobilize the robots and pluton to defeat the revolutionaries and capture sabo and dragon. Which they plan to use as bait to draw out and get luffy. This would be killing two birds with one stone for Imu. There's no way Imu is going to let luffy/nika run wild and free and revolutionaries are causing CDs to be hungry.

[thorny pendant]

Most likely we are getting a war soon, especially since the start of egghead (or even wano) have eerily reflected the order of events of Saboady and Impel Down. You have Kizaru, Vegapunk weapons, and Sentomaru all helping the strawhats escape the island with Kuma, instead of caputring them. Like back in Sabaody. Then there's the visually familiar blueprint of both Impel down and Elbaph. The lowest level is apparently the coldest, which locks up the worst criminals, and apparently the story is also (or gonna be) about none blood related brothers. Which means if the pattern stays true, there will be another war between the Marines and a big league (WB/Revolutionary) centered about a wanted brother (Sabo/Ace). Plus all the key players of Marineford arc have already shown themselves again.

[west jolt]

Yeah I just can't imagine imu not freaking out right now. Nika has been revealed, Joyboy haki put imu on his/her knees, revolutionaries attacked, vegapunk revealed some secrets, and the whole Lily D thing.

[mighty eagle]

do u all think that vivi might face execution?when lufffy found out about cobra they wanted to go help her when she disappeared, if the govt finds her they might announce her execution saying she betrayed the world govt and forcing luffy to come and rescue her

[humble marsh]

But imu wants her so she can't be dead

[thorny viper]

fr bro is so obsessed of vivi especially the fact that she looks like lily

I wonder if joyboy rizzed up lily, just like how luffy rizzed up vivi For payback, he needed allies to defeat the unstoppable joyboy

[opaque steeple]

Bonney can also go Nika mode if I was Imu I’d be SWEATING

[thorn acorn]

Hi, guys. I was working on a translation for a unrelated theory about the Haley and found out something about the ancient weapons that can be interesting. I have to post 3 Images, how can I do it ?

[steady prism]

You can share them as links if you don’t want to chat in other channels for embed perms

[thorn acorn]

Sorry, I don't know how to do that. May I send them to someone to post them here ?

[iron current]

you can just upload them to imgur

[thorn acorn]

Okay, sorry. I am still figuring out discord. Here they are: https://imgur.com/a/fvAn9zY

[steady prism]

All good @thorn acorn . I took a look at your theory.

I kind of like the way you’ve placed each mythological diety to the God of the Sea/Land/Forest. Persephone’s mythos where her movement in and out of the underworld signals the different seasons is reminiscent to what we’d think the God of the Forest is doing, which means Pluton may have something to do with God of the Forest.

As for practical….Poseidon there’s no issue. But Uranus has been theorized to be with the WG according to Vegapunk’s speech (1121). And when we saw Luluscia get destroyed it was some sort of airborne creature. I can concede that Uranus may have something to do with the God of the Land, but it doesn’t seem to apply to the serpent right?

[thorn acorn]

Thanks a thousand for the comments.
Yeah the things that are written in red it is because I don't quit believe it 100%, they are just things that came to my mind while writing and put it there, but I didn't think about them thoroughly.
The thing with the serpent part is that it says with, like together, not that he/she used the serpent.
What I really think 100%, is that someone used Uranus (that can or cannot be the serpent) that somehow creates earth (Red Line), someone used Pluton that somehow creates nature, and Poseidon used his/hers powers to create a calm sea (grand Line)

Also, it says that only god of earth and the serpent brings death.
I think that maybe Pluto (if it is the "devil") was used for good reasons. Because It doesn't says splicetly that it was a confrontation between the god of forest and the sun.

[steady prism]

Absolutely! Yeah I don’t think Pluton is good or evil either. Just depends on who’s using it. Also regarding the Serpent of Fire, although it doesn’t say it’s being used by the God of the Land, I can’t help but the Viz made it seem that the God of Land is in possession of it (“The earth god raged, and with its serpent of hellfire, shrouded the world in death and darkness”). That’s where I get the idea that the God of the land owns the serpent of fire.

Here’s an idea: We know Uranus can destroy islands and impact sea levels. Could the ancient weapons instead be tools to combat the powers of the different gods? Like, if the God of Land has powers/influence related to maintaining/increasing landmass (like the serpent of fire), what if Uranus (the ancient weapon) is meant to combat that by destroying the land and increasing the water levels to further reduce the powers of the God of the Land? And that conflict in the first world led to the red line’s creation.

Similarly, what if Pluton is meant to be the opposite of the powers of the God of Nature? Maybe Pluton can affect the magnetic poles to manufacture different climates? This might be another explanation to your connection between Pluton and nature.

Not sure about Poseidon and God of the Sea...probably something to do with the calm belt. Maybe the sea kings stay there to maintain some sort of equilibrium that maintains the calm belt.

I’m just spitballing ideas here btw. Been brainstorming things about the Harley and this is probably the first time I’ve gotten a few coherent sentences about it lol.

[thorn acorn]

That´s a really good point, didn´t think about that. Maybe the ancestral weapons are named as the God´s consorts because they have the powers to counter theirs's.
If that's the case, Poseidon doesn´t have a counter because he/she was an ally of Joy Boy.
Maybe then the big treason/sin was to give Uranus to the enemy

If the god of earth has the power to create the Red Line, Poseidon has the similar power to create calmed sea (Grand Line) and the god of Forest power is as great as the other two.
If Poseidon controls the Sea Kings to create the Calm belt, maybe the god of earth´s power is to control this so called serpent that created the Red Line, and the god of forest can control this "Devil"

[pearl oyster]

The God stuff might just be metaphorical
Like with luffy the sun god but he has nothing to do with flames at all
He's more like a shining ray of hope
So there might only be 2 gods currently luffy and imu

[plush pike]

You took the words right out of my mouth. Harald being the successor to Mother Carmel after she "disappeared" makes so much sense, and it kind of explains why the God's knights are here to kidnap giant children too. They never stopped taking children for their army, so they must have had someone on the inside helping them, and who better than the king of the Giants himself?

It could easily have been a "help us kidnap children or we're going to burn down the tree" type situation too

But now that King Harald is dead, the God's knights are dispatched to keep the flow of children coming, but since King Harald is no longer alive, they can't do it without it becoming a huge battle like now.

[small chasm]

Saw this today, what's your thoughts on it? https://www.instagram.com/share/reel/BAWtvTsbYb

[dusky acorn]

(For anyone wondering, the theory linked here is one that suggests Kaido is the third son of the late king Harald, which would also make him the youngest half-brother of Loki and Hajrudin.)

I'm not sure that the "key detail" the theorist pitches with Loki wielding a spiked club as a child is actually a solid piece of evidence, though. Certain Elbaph warriors use a variety of different weapons.

Take Hajrudin for example, he has been shown using 4 different weapons:
He was wielding only a shield and attacking with it in the colleseum, a spiked club during the birdcage, trained with a sword as a child, and now most recently uses an axe.

For all we know, Loki in the flashback could be similar to Hajrudin whom we know better-- a warrior that would use whichever weapon he deems fitting for the occaison.

If Loki as a child was using a spiked club under his father's instruction for example, then why wasn't Hajrudin as well?

Moreover, if Kaido was truly abandoned at such a young age by his father as the theorist suggests, then how would he know to utilize a spiked club in the first place?

We also haven't witnessed king Harald with a spiked club himself yet to be fair, only a photo of him wielding a sword.

And as we know, Loki does showcase a usage of different weapons, due to his current hammer.
I think the fact that Loki, (like Hajrudin), also didn't stick solely to the weapon he used as a child may hurt this piece of evidence, as well.

The late king Harald's tattoo was also somewhat different from Ripley's, as it was only across his face, not his entire body like Ripley.

[small chasm]

Yeah I was a bit sceptical on the weapon thing, and a little on why king Harold's, tattoo wasn't across his full body, but I think the theory isn't Evan stretching for this, and seems like something that could be true.

[sage copper]

Hey guys I have a theory. Usopp vs Killingham seems to be the best way to use usopp in this arc. Right now Usopp is completely drunk and he is not scared of anything. He even tried to pull out the sword from that elder guy's head. I think everyone will be affected by Killingham's power's except Usopp. This could be similar to Usopp vs Perona. I don't think this will play out excatly like this but maybe something similar will happen. He has to prove to be a brave warrior. A scenario will be where he is forced to fight in a dangerous battle and fights despite being scared as hell

[keen trellis]

i think the face offs will be:
jinbe vs sommers (most combat oriented)
nami & colon vs killingham (nami being the most determined over the situation with the kids/colon seemingly not being affected by the powers from killingham)
usopp & brook vs gunko (gunko being a fan of soul king and usopp because i can’t see him fighting the others currently especially since it doesn’t seem like he’s drunk no more)

[wicked summit]

Have y’all seen the theory on Gunko being a Ginny clone? I think it’s a pretty decent theory

I think the part for me that made it a bit more plausible was that she fears nika, while Ginny liked nika. It’d make sense that they’d have similar personalities but alter them. Speaking of personalities. Kuma was able to remove his memories and put them in a bubble that Bonnie later came across. Do you guys think Kuma can take others memories? Similar to how he took Luffy’s pain and Zoro took it

Maybe not memories, but emotions?

[rapid brook]

Could be, but who do the monster trio fight?

[keen trellis]

well i mean rn they could possibly clash with the monster trio later on tho

i feel the reason why the monster trio aint around rn is due to them easily wiping the current holy knights at elbaf rn

[wicked summit]

I’m kinda hoping the monster trio stay back, get that Loki lore ya know? They get let Harudin kill Loki

[rapid brook]

Loki isn't an enemy

[wicked summit]

You’re right, but Harudin tried beheading him haha. If the monster trio leave then he might kill him

[keen trellis]

i think the trio are stuck in the underworld for a minute due to them not having a ship to use that rainbow road

[wicked summit]

I’m ready to see Gaban POP OFF, the dude has been waiting for a minute to let loose I’m sure

[keen trellis]

maybe that’s how we see kidd again

[rapid brook]

"do you really think I killed out father in cold blood?" - Loki will reveal the truth eventually. He is also seen on the mural so he will not be killed.

[wicked summit]

Oh no I know that, but I’m just mentioning that one panel where Luffy was stopping him. I’m ready for an Elbaf flashback. I’m also curious on who Loki and Harudin’s mothers are

[rapid brook]

Nah, Oda would never side line them tbh

[keen trellis]

i don’t see that being sidelined since i think we will be learning most of the elbaf lore from their pov

plus the rest of the strawhats definitely need to improve compared to the trio

also if luffy is fighting anyone it’s gonna be loki or shamrock if he comes back for results

[rapid brook]

Of course. Though I think they will have to fight because Luffy is currently not a top top tier fighter in general. After Elbaf arc he has to be strong enough to beat other fighters actually 1on1. He doesn't beat an experienced admiral like Kizaru. There are at least 10 people stronger than him currently. Kizaru, Akainu, Blackbeard, Shanks, Mihawk, Ben beck, All gorosie too likely to name a few. Elbaf is where luffy needs to learn the truth about himself (Nika). There is no other arc that is best for this.

[keen trellis]

i think gear 5 luffy can take down beckman atp

[rapid brook]

I didn't even mention people like Aokiji in my initial msgs so there are more. Beck is basically a 2nd Shanks. I don't have luffy rated that highly yet, it makes no sense to.

[umbral summit]

Shamrock gone to recruit more people to the holy knights

[keen trellis]

not sure why you would assume beckmann is a second shanks, im not denying beckmann isn’t one of the strongest, i definitely put him over zoro for sure, but his only greatest accomplishment really known is him taking down a pre awakened kidd. I’d say Beckmann is near luffy rn but id put luffy over him due to taking down kaido and playing with kizaru/the gorosei like they were dolls. Id say Luffy is like top 16 with Kizaru

[rapid brook]

Kizaru wasn't trying btw. There are statements about it though i'm not going to bother quoting it exactly. Also it's unfair to scale the gorosei really. We've seen surface level tbh.

[keen trellis]

currently alive id put imu, dragon, garp, akainu, mihawk, shanks, shamrock, warcury, nusjuro, blackbeard, and kuzan over luffy, also i wasnt stating luffy was stronger than kizaru and the gorosei but he was definitely doing a number on them. The way Oda has described it, it makes me believe luffy and kizaru are equal rn

[keen trellis]

it makes sense storywise i think for him to be at least in kizaru’s level i think especially since it’s the final saga

notice how luffy was fighting multiple extremely powerful people while kizaru was just fighting luffy and was still getting knocked down and having timeouts

[rapid brook]

Eh. All of the OG admirals have definitely awakened by now tbh. Also not St Saturn said Kizaru was being sloppy, implying he was holding back a lot, which we can tell because he was legit helping Luffy later on. Aokiji is defo stronger than Luffy too.

[keen trellis]

yeah i agree with all that, but im also implying if it were just gear 5 luffy vs a determined kizaru brawl it out, i think it would’ve been a tie

[steady prism]

@keen trellis @rapid brook Let’s avoid powerscaling in this channel please. Sharing ideas about matchups here are fine if you have a story-centric reason for it (eg Gunko and Brooke). But when it becomes a question of who’s stronger, you’re better off discussing that in #manga .

[random gull]

okay, so I'm just going to say it in a more straight forward method of trying to explain what might happen to where yamato and law show up in wano.

I think that yamato might follow luffy's vivre card, use their ice powers to run across the ocean, find law and bepo struggling to move forward, and then put law and bepo on her back in order to try and get them the attention they need. then she continues to elbaf. it would probably take a couple days of constant running in order to get there.

now, moving forward with why law and yamato should show up towards the end of elbaf.

this is agenda piece.

if yamato shows up at elbaf with law on her back and bepo, and kidd is sitting in the giant's prison, chugging down some beer over and over, essentially giving up on his dream because he got beat by shanks again, it would be and awesome story telling point for luffy to be getting the two of them back on their feet. the giants probably look at kidd like he's a piece of garbage that needs to be thrown away from the island, but because of how the kidd pirates were pacified by shanks, they don't really see a need to kill them.

So they pawn the kidd pirates off on luffy and the gang. franky, seeing that the numbers of people on their ships figures that they're going to need more room for the growing amount of souls that are accompanying them on their journey, so he gets wood from the world tree, and builds 2 new ships. 1 for law, and 1 for Kidd.

luffy, seeing his formal rival down in the dumps, doesn't want to see kidd giving up on his dream. even though there can only be 1 pirate king, luffy doesn't want to see anyone giving up on their own personal dream. so luffy decides to fight kidd, and try to knock some sense into him.

The reason why this is such a powerful moment that could potentially happen in the story, is that the same thing happened to luffy after he lost ace. and the person to get luffy back on his feet was jinbei. So this really could potentially be a turning point for kidd to be getting his will back to be doing what he always wanted to do, but because he's finally seeing that he's not the person that was supposed to be the strongest, he probably changes his dream, which means that he's not giving up on living.

when luffy talked about dreams, he said that if you're not fighting for your dream, you're already dead. I think that this is why luffy will try to get kidd back on his feet. because what luffy is going to see in kidd is a person that is already dead. Killer is going to be sulking, and zoro will probably be trying to get in killer's head over the entire thing with kidd's issues.

so what I really think is going to happen is that I think that after franky is done getting all of the boats ready and built, law is going to take a group of strawhats to blackbeard's base in order to try and rescue his crew. I think that law is going to be accompanied by loki, yamato, bonney, bepo, and maybe stussy.

kidd is going to sail parallel with the strawhats in his ship and he's going to have lilith on the ship for obvious reasons. I think that it is going to be revealed that kidd actually is vegapunk 07 and the vegapunk of pride. So we're going to have some of the most extreme situations between lilith trying to help kidd cope with the reality of what he is, while also trying to get them ready for him uploading to punk records.

so, all-in-all this is more of a conflict: law losing his crew, kidd losing his resolve. and resolution: Law saving his crew, and kidd finding himself.

[steady prism]

@hollow frigate keep jokes like that in #manga friend

[hollow frigate]

got deleted 😔

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, power scaling, bounty predictions or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description. Posts here must be in paragraph form, preferably with evidence, not just a one line open question.

[dusky acorn]

I love to see a rare theory in here putting so much focus on Kid, but there's a couple aspects I'd like to point out.

You say that the Yamato cover story will align with Law and Bepo, where Yamato will traverse the ocean by ice similar to Aokiji. From there they will spot Law, and carry them across the rest of the ocean to Elbaph.

However, judging from Bepo's reaction to the Vegapunk speech, it would seem Law and Bepo are not wandering the ocean anymore. Bepo's clothes don't seem damp at all, and Law has seemingly already tended to their wounds with bandages.

This should mean Law and Bepo have already landed ashore somewhere, seemingly some island besides Elbaph and Winner Island. Yamato would need to trek quite a ways in order to meet them if it's not just arbitrarily in the ocean.

And even if Yamato has Luffy's vivre card to track him, would Law really agree to come crawling back to Luffy so soon for apparently another alliance?

Also, I find it hard to believe that a conqueror like Kid would have his spirit crushed. Even after losing to Kaido, chained in sea prism, and on the brink of death, he had nothing but vengeance on his mind.

The last time he lost a more humiliating defeat to the Red Haired pirates without even seeing Shanks, yet had the confidence to form an alliance to try again, and then had the gall to challenge the crew personally once again. That's why I don't think we'll see him with his spirit broken whatsoever.

I have a slight disagreement with your minor point that the giants would have ever seen Kid as necessary to throw away from the island. If anything, a criminal to the nation like him would be thrown down into the Underworld. Just like in Wano, Luffy first met him in prison, so meeting once again in Elbaph's own prison yard is quite fitting.

I do agree that at least one of these Worst Generation captains will be getting a ship rebuilt with Adam Wood. I think if anything, this proves further that Kid may end up being an unlikely hero for Elbaph, just as he was for Wano.

In most of his Onigashima entrances, he's shown inadvertantly saving others. Attacking Apoo actually saved Luffy and Zoro, and attacking Big Mom saved Nami and Usopp. If this trend continues, perhaps Kid can make an introduction confronting holy knights as well, which inadvertantly saves the kids from being kidnapped.

I think a scenario like this, and then being gifted Adam wood by the giants as their savior (and the true slayer of Big Mom) to rebuild a ship makes much more sense than secretly stealing some Adam Wood post-Elbaph, and somehow building the ship all in secret over the course of days.

(I know you didn't theorise this villainous scenario though, just comparing things to help prove our shared point of being given Adam wood.)

[dense remnant]

The robot looking house where vegapunks exploring couldve been the first joyboys robot companion 3000 years ago then obviously the one we saw on egghead island was joyboys robot companion from 800 years ago i think franky will either build luffy a robot companion for the last war as one of greatest inventions but based on pluton or franky is his robot friend

[night parrot]

Just had a thought:

buggy has been to every island (journey speaking) leading to Raftale. That also means he knows, generally speaking, where all the Ponegliffs are. So Cross Guild is more of a threat than the World Government may realize.

[mighty moon]

think at least 2 of them have been moved since the last time Buggy left

[dense remnant]

Not necessarily depends on if they mightve not told them

[mighty moon]

nah Buggy went to all the islands he just didn't go to laughtale

[steady prism]

True, he’ll know where 3 out of the 4 are. He could try publicizing it. However there’s a huge barrier of entry with respect to 1. getting close to those road poneglyphs and 2. have someone who’s able to interpret them. Imo if they team up with the BB pirates they’ll have a better chance at getting past both of those obstacles (because of BB being a yonko-level threat and he has Pudding captive).

Regarding your earlier point, given that following the log pose will only take you to Lodestar island, that knowledge isn’t very useful.

[keen trellis]

Mihawk is the son of Imu

[humble marsh]

Because of his eyes?

[keen trellis]

that’s a big reason, but also the fact we are nearing the endgame and we still have no background for him. The fact he’s extremely powerful even though we no nothing about his heritage yet. Shanks and Mihawk having an unlikely bond of sorts also makes it interesting, them possibly relating due to being related to high royalty

i feel Zoro’s final opponent being someone who’s connected with the big bad of the series makes sense too

the reason why he isn’t apart of the holy knights is prob because he doesn’t support it and most likely is very opposed to his parent’s (imu) beliefs

that’s why he never stopped Luffy at the start of the story, because he does want someone to take Imu down

[pure raven]

there's no way

it doesn't add up anyways just off eyes and we know little to nothing about him so it won't add up and imu is from the void century why would he have a son 800 years in the future

[keen trellis]

“we know little to nothing about him” yea this far into the endgame, mihawk having relevance to the endgame forces would make sense idk how that doesn’t add up, why imu had a son idk, but it could possibly be due to precautionary heirs if imu were to possibly die

[pure raven]

that sounds delusional we know nothing about him even how far we're in the series and if imu had a child why would imu abandoned him? and imu knows about mihawk obviously cuz he was a a warlord and his title the world's strongest swordsman

it's not even making sense why such a powerful foe like imu would have a child and we know nothing abt imu only the name we don't even know what imu looks like you can't assume off its eyes that it's mihawks parent

[iron current]

I mean you can assume it but obviously there is not much evidence to support the claim, I doubt it as well but it's possible

[keen trellis]

yall folks keep on saying the same shit😭 “delusional” “we know nothing about him this far in the series ”EXACTLY 😭 😭 him having relevance to the endgame characters especially when he is set up to be one himself?? like how does that speak delusional what makes yall so adamant about theories like this not being possible when we’ve literally just got confirmed a few chapters that shanks is related to relevant endgame characters 😭 yall are so odd i swear… Nobody saying Imu abandoned their kid like i literally said that it’s possible that mihawk was a precautionary heir, i personally don’t think mihawk accepted that role, that’s why he doesn’t involve himself with Imu and the celestial dragons. “imu knows about mihawk obviously cuz was a warlord” Like what’s this obviously check mate shit for? “we know nothing abt imu” yep u getting there pal.. just like mihawk “like you can’t assume off its eyes” i mean yea i can because that’s the literal only visible thing you can see 😭😭 you acting like with theories you gotta have everything down as proof, if that were the case that wouldn’t be a theory anymore just confirmation… you just hating just to hate bro there’s no other reason dawg

[steady prism]

@timber depot unless you have more concrete in-story evidence/reasoning to support your idea that Vivi will die, please use #manga or #manga-serious for shorter ideas like that

[timber depot]

ok

[keen trellis]

my bad for saying yall i think i was chatting to two ppl but this person just changes their pfp every 10 minutes

[steady prism]

Mihawk's eyes and other characters' ringed eyes have always generated a lot of discussion as to whether it means something or it means nothing. Personally, I side with the former so I'd like to know more about his past.

There have been theories that Mihawk is the child of Shakky and Rayleigh (couldn't find the one I wanted but here's one example: #manga-theories message). The most compelling thing about it is that the timeline fits, imho it's more plausible that they're the parents than Imu. Although it's more plausible, we don't have much regarding Mihawk's past so I'm not putting all my trust in it. Anyway, it would be good to learn more about the Nerona family and see if there's any way he's related to them or the Holy Knights.

[keen trellis]

the monster trio of the roger crew each having a kid makes sense, i think the reason im not too sure about that is that neither rayleigh or shakky have those red hawk eyes also i wanna consider Mihawk’s sword Yoru, for Mihawk to obtain a powerful sword like that, it had to been owned by someone of great power so id assume it would be from Imu or the holy knights or it could’ve been from a swordsman we haven’t heard of yet, but im surprised this far into the series we haven’t learned about any other known powerful swordsman

[opaque yew]

Anyone think we'll see a throwback to Usopp's first victory?

Zoro cuts a tree so Usopp can snipe a hypnotist.

[viscid plaza]

Not sure if I’m the first one to think of this but devil fruits are hearts

Basically when a devil fruit is eaten, the friut/spirt goes into the heart and is intertwined with the persons soul and the fruits soul; and there’s proof of this

During gear 5 awakening, luffy is revived by the drums of liberation playing in him and there is instance here that back up my theory. The first is that the fruit itself is playing the DOL which he comments about that his heart is beating funny.

Another thing I want to mention is the stealing of fruits.

Basically when the persons bodily functions fully shut down after death is when the soul of the fruit disappears from the body. With this in mind, Blackbeard in Marie ford ate whitebeards heart absorbing both the fruit and the spirt of him in his body allowing him to have two fruits.

And fruits are shown to have spirts inside them like how zoan’s are constantly stated to have will of its own. So if one type of devil fruit has a will that could mean that all fruits have a will that strength varies by what the fruit is. For example the string-string fruit doesn’t have a strong will because it is the will of an inanimate object; compare this to zoan’s, the will is the concept of a animal and there will is the perceived personality of witch it was dreamed of by humans.

[echo terrace]

dint the manga mentioned multiple times ONLY zoan DFs has a will

[dusky acorn]

If devil fruits are truly linked to the heart and soul of the bearer, how would this explain inanimate objects having the ability to obtain powers, with no such organ or spirit?

And as you state here:

When the persons bodily functions fully shut down after death is when the soul of the fruit disappears from the body.

Which should have been the case with Whitebeard, by the time Blackbeard put the black cloak on him, right? The fruit should have respawned already.

I do see why this idea has merit, given that Whitebeard had a hole in his chest for Blackbeard to theoretically reach in and grab the heart to take a bite out of it. But even if Whitebeard were still alive when Blackbeard's magic trick unfolded, wouldn't the exact millisecond Blackbeard rips a live Whitebeard's heart out from his chest to eat also cause the fruit power to dissappear and recycle into the world?

[gritty kite]

I had a long write up about this, posted it here long ago, it also links with Big Mom eating someone whole and acquiring the ability

[viscid plaza]

To be honest I didn’t think about how devil fruits can be inserted into inanimate objects into my original theory but I have an idea on how it would work

In the series, only zoan devil fruits are shown to be fused with objects and that could mean that no other fruit besides them can do that because there will is strongest. But for now information about how this happens is almost nothing and future chapters should give more insight about this

Now for the whitebeard concern. First the hole on his chest is nowhere near where his heart is in both anime and manga. Second the human body remains function in areas up to three days after death and some functions of the heart do still continue to work for this three day period

[gritty kite]

There is also brook, unless he has a dry heart in his chest or inside his skull, it kinda goes against the whole hearth thing

[worn fjord]

my head cannon is just that if u have a strong will u can eat as many fruits as u want (aslong it doesnt trump ur will) simple but it works lol

[viscid plaza]

Brook can be explained by him under the effect of the fruit rather than him having it. For example boa’s devil fruits power still persists after her death as she stated. So I don’t think it’s a big stretch that the soul-soul fruit does not exist within brook but the effects of it still linger within him

[gritty kite]

It’s different, that would mean brooks fruit is already out there reincarnated. Brook’s case is the user benefiting from the ability, as far as I understand he is the current user of the fruit. Boas effect persisting after her death is very different. Tbh to me it sounded like a setup for seraphim and her eventually destoning the work of the other at some point and it being explained by cloning etc

[pure raven]

The great treasure one piece is located in long ring long land island

[iron current]

Why do you think it is? Do you have some evidence or hints supporting this claim?

!theories

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, power scaling, bounty predictions or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description. Posts here must be in paragraph form, preferably with evidence, not just a one line open question.

[pure raven]

Theory for why King Harald has no horns. The ancient giants were actually enemies of the world government and King Harald made a deal with them in order to have Elbaph become a W.G affiliated nation. Part of this deal would have involved sending kids to be warriors for the W.G or women as essentially broodmothers. In order to show fealty to the celestial dragons he ripped out his horns to sever his association with the defiant giants of the ancient past. This would explain why the gods knights seem to respect him so much. I believe that Loki learned all of this and killed him and took the blame then rampaged to prevent Elbaph from falling to darkness.

[rough storm]

i think, the reason why loki hate the celestial because king harald probably became a slave to the celestial dragon and they were the one who took his horn. maybe loki witness it.

[pure raven]

The knights wouldn't respect him if they enslaved him

[rough storm]

but we dont know if they do

[arctic thunder]

Moria copies kabuto and brings back a bunch of dead people as zombies

[rough storm]

because i really cant think of something why loki would hate the celestial so much. unless he saw them doing something crazy bad

[pure raven]

One of them suggested going to visit his grave to pay his respects

[rough storm]

maybe shamrock was haralds master?

[pure raven]

That's not a reason to respect someone

[summer comet]

Now we seen fenrir, jormungandr and Nidhogg been has shown as children fears i think we can pretty much rule out all 3 as loki DF.

Funny how those were like top 3 most theorized BF for loki.

Instead of a mythical animal it would make more sense if be a god fruit concidering it's legendary status and loki seeing himself as sun god

I'll take a wild guess and say based on parallels to zoro and his desire of destruction he could have shiva DF. It mirrors luffy nika too as a god of destruction.

[fringe plover]

Jomungandr and Nidhogg werent fears there was just a snake from what I remember

[summer comet]

The kids mentioned them and you can tell it's a fear from how they were drawn

[fringe plover]

Yeah it would make sense but I havent seen any hinduism references in one piece and the culture of hinduism isnt that popular in places like japan.

I'd expect a Japanese God/Folklore allusion much like the similarities between the gorosei and yokai, or imu and umibozu. I looked at a few Japanese Gods and since Loki was so hard for elbaf to control, I'd think his DF is along the lines of elbaf's 2 weaknesses but i came up with Kagutsuchi (Japanese god of fire in Shinto religion)

And Loki looks pretty similar to how Kagutsuchi is portrayed

[summer comet]

I really didn't think much of it or research it
Just something that came my mind after other 3 opitions were eliminated.

Wild takes come true more often then complicated 100 step theories

[unkempt snow]

Always sunny in einies lobby brought up the idea of an artificial Nika fruit

[iron current]

can you elaborate

!theories

[lone hedge]

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[unkempt snow]

Gotcha. By bad.
I am referring this video:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KRmYL4GdSmo&pp=ygUbYWx3YXlzIHN1bm55IGluIGVuaWVzIGxvYmJ5

The gist is Momonosuke and Kaido are set up for there being an artificial copy of the Nika fruit, with Loki having the original and Luffy having the copy.

[iron current]

okok interesting

[unkempt snow]

There are fun things with this particular theory. Luffy going constantly 'I'm not Nika!' would be true, and Loki could shrink down like how Luffy can make himself giant.

[dusky acorn]

I like this theory; Harald using his power as a king to spirit away children (or women to birth giant kids) for the World Government. It ties into certain things already established to Elbaph. Like how the Government / Navy have always desired giants for their troops, reflected in Carmel also attempting to aid in that prospect for them.

It makes sense Loki would have learnt something conspicuious was going on with his father, even moreso than Hajrudin. He was the son actually residing in the castle with him.

[wooden reef]

Oda said Luffy can make anything from his hair, what if he can also make devil fruits

[steady prism]

Given that this channel's for longer theories, could you please elaborate? Have we seen him make a magical item for his crewmates or people around him before? Has his items persisted even after powering down?

[wooden reef]

Luffy created a baseball bat and a helmet or glasses out of his hair on Egghead while he was in Gear 5, but if Luffy masters Gear 5, it could be possible that the items stay forever even if Luffy is no longer in Gear 5.

[ancient forum]

i think luffy is a moon person

I think that Luffys fruit doesnt symbolize the god of the sun but rather the moon. Luffy spreads freedom (sunlight) and his character reflects that. Just like how his character REFLECTS those values and how the Moon REFLECTS the Sun. You also notice that when luffy awakened his fruit he was put in frames with the moon, he is heavily associated with the moon in those scenes. He is not yellow like the sun but white like the moon. Adding onto this, his fruit when awakened is very bouncy, just like he is experiencing low gravity, just like the Moon. This is why i think that Luffy doesnt embody the Sun God himself but rather reflects those values, just as the moon reflects the light of the sun.

You may have seen in the title that this is a 2 part theory, and that part is what im gonna speak about now, and that also relates to the moon

THE NAMEBEARERS OF D ARE DESCENDANTS OF THE MOON

I believe that "D" represents people who are descendants of the ancient moon people. D looks like half a moon, D could literally stand for "Descendant" or "De Luna".

I think that the D clan could be remnants of the ancient kingdom of the Moon, Birka. I am not talking about the island in Skypiea that was destroyed, not that Birka, but the city on the moon that Birka was named after. I believe the D clan are descendants of that ancient civilization and carry on their will and share their values. You may notice how most people who have the name D laugh in the face of death. However, there is one exception. Marshall D. Teach, or Blackbeard is scared of death, he doesn't laugh in the face of death like the rest of the D clan does, which is why i think there are two types of "D.", The ones that are direct descendants of them, and the ones who carry the name in name only. I think Blackbeard is that person. Blackbeard may be D. by blood, but he doesn't carry the Will of D, because he has MORE THAN ONE SOUL INSIDE OF HIM. However, that is another theory which i will not get into but it has a lot of relevance behind it and is almost 100% certainly true.

[summer comet]

Destruction and transformation is what fits loki most, so i think it could really be true

[knotty stratus]

Just a thought of the moment. Kind of theory but I have a strong guess as to how the current Arc is going to end. So a big part of this theory has to do with usopp and mainly all the fears that have been popping up within the last chapter. I feel like the straw hats are going to have a hard time being able to fight them. Kind of like how pirona was able to defeat Luffy, Zorro, and Sanji I think we're get another weird OP devil fruit that the straw hats are just weirdly weak against. But once again our boy usap will come and clutch. Him out of any other straw, hat or any other person on the grand line will know what it's like to face his fears and I think this has become into play as a big part on how they overcome it. This will also show the giants that Usopp is a true warrior of the seas. This will probably lead into the main fights with Luffy. Probably going against the fake Shanks and the other straw hats cleaning up but if I had to take a guess they will get away but not without taking some of the children for the straw hats to save. Anyways, this is my high as f*** out there theory but let me know what you think

[west jolt]

that would be a cool scenario for usopp but it's hard to imagine the strawhat crew struggling, even giants can take out the nightmare monsters unless killingham can pull out stronger nightmares.

[fringe plover]

LOKI IS THE SUN GOD.

Near the start of elbaf we see Gerd and Goldberg talking about Road. I know they're talking about Road because Gerd refers to Muginn carrying the SHs ship as "his bird" and Gerd expresses her dislike for Road, saying "Loki's not the shame of elbaph, it's him!" which got me thinking. (Picture 1)

I went back a few chapters just out of curiosity and I notice the Grasshopper Rider say "All of this vast land you see belongs to the Sun God" as he introduces them to the Land of Gods. He also says "The Needle God Hedgehog is looking for its food" and "The Ear God, a Giant Rabbit, was found burned to death". And judging off of how weak they looked when the SHs encountered them, they most likely aren't actually Gods like Nika or Buddha. So if we can assume this, we can assume that the term used with "God" in elbaf is most likely dependant on the qualities of the subject. But lastly, the Rider tells them to not venture into the "Sun God's" Temple. (Picture 2)

So the very next page Luffy ventures into the "Sun God's" Temple. And after the "Sun God", who we later find to be Road, finds them, they bail and use Iscat to escape. (Picture 3)

Now we see Road's costume, and it seems that he's in a costume of the real "Sun God" of Elbaph. This picture is just for you to see the appearance of who I believe the "Sun God" is very clearly. (Picture 4)

Okay so here Sanji really fuels this theory. Because as he rants about how he feels about the guy chasing him, he says "He'll get his Divine Retribution". So to put this into perspective, "Divine Retribution" is bolded, now why would Oda do that? Well "He'll get his Divine Retribution" is the same as "The Sun God will get his Divine Retribution" in this sense. May not be the real Sun God, but it sure is A Sun God. (Picture 5)

---

Here we get a pretty good shot of the Sun God's side profile and we also get to take into account how evil Road is toward the SHs. This makes it seem like the "Shame of Elbaph" really is Road, like Gerd said. We also see Road revealed as the person disguised as the "Sun God" and we can take a good look at his staff. His staff looks like a very long stick with a spiky circle at the end. I know Oda may be a little tired and has a few inconsistencies here and there. But all of these shots of the Sun God facing left? Coincidence? I think not. (Picture 6)

Now, Enough with the Land of Gods, lets jump over to a more-recent chapter of my favorite giant, Loki! We only need a few though. As Loki speaks with Luffy who found him chained to the tree, he claims to be the "SUN GOD"! Well what do you know? He's a Sun God too? I hope all of these quotes and bold letters dont annoy you I'm just trying to make a point. But Its just a little funny how he claims he's the Sun God so confidently. And look at the font of his speech bubbles! That looks pretty Godly to me. But I digress. (Pictures 7 and 8)

So what I'm trying to show here if you havent noticed already, is that Loki's true form is already being showcased, and its being showcased in none other than ROAD. When Gerd called Road the Shame of Elbaph thats just saying Road is Loki in a sense but not literally, I think when Gerd called Road the Shame of Elbaph, it was Oda speaking to us. Oda gave us a clue to what he was showing to us a chapter or two before. Oda was saying "Road is Loki". Oda says this in different forms as well, he says it with Gerd and he also says "Road is Loki" when they both claim to be the Sun God. But the liar this time isn't the trickster, its the one with a god complex, Road.
And theres 1 last similarity that seals the deal for me. Loki has 2 protruding horns and a lot of hair, I think we can see that same design in Road's costume.

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So as Oda tells us, "Road is Loki", what does he mean by that? Well we can confirm one thing. And that's Loki's portrait on the final drawing. in the drawing Loki is holding a staff, and at the end of his staff, theres the same imagery that represents a flame, or in this case... a SUN so what Oda was showing us was the weapon Loki will use in the final battle and possibly his DF ability. Im not sure about looks though.

But he sure dues hold the staff like Road held it in the Land of Gods

Shouldve posted this during the day 🤦‍♂️ nobodsy awake

[flat lagoon]

so basically your theory is there are multiple SUN GOD but LOKI is THE actual true ONE eh. Well for one thing I do kinda agree that this "God" naming is based on abilities and stuff not that every god is literally some deity to be worshipped etc. Going by the mural I always assumed this one with the big ass spear / sword (which could be the one which is laying around in L Baph btw) was Loki. Coming to what u said about what the giants assume is the Sun God aka the one with staff and spiky circle that could just be symbolism for the Sun ykwim 🌞 look how it is. They tryna replicate (Road is trying) the actual Sun God ~ Nika from the Mural btw with the sword + the shield, the face mask which he uses in the Diorama could just be a skull skeleton that he found in the underworld and decided to use as a mask kinda like how the cp0 do to hide identity. I do not remember what the original plan with SHs was but seems it was to trap them there infinitely. I do still think Luffy got the original or actual Sun God df and maybe Loki got something that closely resembles something that a Sun God would have (possibly Solar df as in he can harness the Suns power or Energy df where he can harness energy etc). Maybe Oda is tryna show how Road's Diorama and L baph are both deluded on so many levels by trying to show that Road is the Sun God within Diorama, whereas Loki seems to think of himself as THE Sun God within L Baph. Good cooking regardless. I do not wanna go in too deep untill and unless Loki's df is revealed which is super key.

[fringe plover]

Yeah for sure. And since one piece is pretty well inspired by japanese folklore, I imagine it's going to be the japanese god of the sun or something close to it. This just makes me more excited for Loki's fruit reveal

[fringe plover]

Oh ok so from where I see the first world rn:

Paragraph 1
It took place at least a millenia ago, The earth was covered in flames and humanity sought out power so they harvested the fire that was on the planet already for the "forbidden suns".

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To harvest this fire efficiently they needed slaves. And the slaves that harvested the "forbidden sun" for them prayed to be freed by a savior. These prayers lead to the Sun God (Nika) appearing most likely after a slave like them decided to eat one of the fruits that were manifested by their prayer. Nika now sees this corruption and destroys the Adam Tree with Enel's Ship (Ark Maxim) to prevent the slaveowners (Imu) from envying the power sealed inside each devil fruit. Now, having no purpose, the slaves are let free and get their prayers answered by Nika.

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Imu doesn't take kindly to this and tries to kill Nika with the help of her Serpent of Hell (Red Line), trying to punish Nika for taking away the power she sought after. But I think she failed this task and enveloped the world in death and darkness (Floods the world with water and extinguishes its flame for the most part).

(First World is Right Half of Mural)

Before all of this chaos took place, Nika tells a group of slaves (Would-Be Citizens of FMI) to build an arc, foreseeing the death and darkness that would unfold after his fight. Nika and Imu never met again.

[frozen birch]

Sauropods, like the Apatosaurus, had long necks that allowed them to browse the tops of trees and shrubs, reaching food sources that other animals could not. This adaptation was particularly important in the Jurassic and Cretaceous periods when large trees and ferns were abundant.

[opaque quiver]

NYEHH NYEHH

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[cyan berry]

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[dusky acorn]

NOW ERRYONE, gather 'round and read 'tis magnificent theory of me secret treasure!! Shure is even greater than the One Piece, I'll tell ya! glug glug

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[fringe plover]

bleh

[dusky acorn]

Remember ta have a good read when ur hammered, it's the best way! 🍹

Cheers! 🥂🍻

[pale drift]

Oh

[echo terrace]

i think its more than a millenia

[fringe plover]

Yeah so at least 1 year give or take

[vale plover]

Womanga

[flat lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-luffy-one-piece-funny-gifs-one-piece-luffy-vs-lucci-rematch-one-piece-gear-5-nika-luffy-says-kiss-my-ass-lucci-one-piece-luffy-smacking-his-butt-towards-lucci-gif-18244536459570895680

[open night]

GYATT

[flat lagoon]

GYAH GYAH GYAH GYAH HAHAHAHAHAHA

[pure raven]

m*n were created by an evil scientist who was jealous of our glorious snake princesses beauty

^ this theory was fact checked by the real kuja patriots

[versed hamlet]

dude

[tawny smelt]

oh dude is allowed

[ancient forum]

I dont think luffys fruit is of the sun god ngl

[ancient forum]

I think luffys fruit is a representation of both the moon and the sun, and how through the chaos luffy creates there is liberation and freedom. The moon is often tied to chaos, madness, dreams, etc. And that fits well into the description of the fruit. Anything luffy can imagine he can do, his dreams can become a reality. Even just looking at Luffy in Gear 5 gives u an idea, hes white and not yellow, his eyes are bright red (could represent madness or lunacy) and he bounces around, as if he were experiencing low gravity. Furthermore his fruit is shown to be able to turn the ground into these waves, or tides, just as the moon does. The moon affects the tides. In the show the moon is heavily associated with madness or lunacy. The minks when looking at a full moon TURN WHITE AND GET RED EYES just as Luffy does, and if not trained they go out of control, like a lunatic. This all points to Luffys fruit not being solely of the Sun, but also of the Moon, showing how Luffy fits into both descriptions: Hes joyful, radiant, liberating and kind like the Sun, but hes also chaotic, dreaming, a bit mad and also a bit mischievous. My final point to further suggest this theory is that the Moon is also heavily associated with rebirth, or a cycle, like how it goes through phases and always comes back to its original state, just as Joy Boys return (Nika -> Joy Boy -> Luffy)

[alpine marten]

Excellent theory BeanLogia, I concur with your idea of Luffy being a planet. It's the only logical step I can see for his character, I mean, he's a sun god already

[night parrot]

Just rewatched fishman island.

Joyboy's promise to the princess of back then was the same promise Luffy made to Shirahoshi. To take her to a real forest

[lone hedge]

@opaque quiver, channel slowmode was updated, it is now set to 600 seconds.

[opaque quiver]

do it

someone sacrifice themself

[covert hazel]

Do what?

[rocky heart]

Rewatched EP 1115

I think Law vs. Blackbeard happened off-screen due to Blackbeard using h1s 3rd DF (we literally see Polar Tang exploding under the sea, and Blackbeard walking towards Law from the sea... wait, from the sea?!)

Polar Tang seemingly broken or cut in half from the middle below ocean level couldn't have been done by anyone else but Blackbeard h1mself, using h1s 3rd DF (Coming back to an old fan theory hoping h1s 3rd fruit would give h1m powers to not drown, nullifying the idea of DF users drowning under water (Fan favorite theory for his 3rd fruit seems to be Mythical Zoan Kraken now since Cerberus is off the list).

I also believe h* didn't have h1s 3rd DF yet when meeting Aokiji due to h1m having 2 dreads on h1s beard, instead of the usual 3 we see h1m having after timeskip (hinting at the possibility h* got help from the newly joined Aokiji to get this very OP DF).

I believe we will first hear about BB's 3rd fruit from either Bepo or Law, unless it is shown on screen.

(Snake princess at her finest)

[echo terrace]

hard to tell from here

need to consider that its a submarine underwater not a regular ship

[rocky heart]

but wouldn't it be even harder to split a submarine underwater than a regular ship? like yeah there's debris but quite clearly there's also 2 halves of a submarine

[elder dirge]

From that episode or one of the earlier ones, one of the crew members says if they take anymore damage that the ship will be destroyed due to water pressure, so I think that was more likely to happen than a 3rd Blackbeard DF being used off screen

[thorny dome]

I believe kidd may have been saved by road's bird buddy. road saying "what have you brought this time" suggests that the bird has grabbed things out of the ocean and brought them back before. Kidd's ship was left in mainly two large portions which any kidd crew member could have been holding on to in the water. It's entirely possible road's bird thing grabbed the remains of kidd's ship and, along with it, members of kidd's crew including possibly kidd himself

[primal marten]

This is an interesting possibility, but there is another theory as to how Kidd could have been saved. He had a fishman (fishwoman?) on his crew. It's not 100% confirmed I guess but she got big teeth and is named Dive (Daibu ダイブ).

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/1e4k2i5/the_person_wholl_save_kid_is/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[final bloom]

why would he go after Mero Mero no mi then? (boa's)

[west jolt]

I have a theory that Ginny was experimented on by jaygarcia to create Gunko. Jaygarcia wanted to create a vessel for Imu to control and go outside. I'm thinking that Imu has sapphire scales and has to stay indoors from the sun. Somehow during the experiment Ginny contracted sapphire scales from Imu though and was tossed out. Gunko is partly Imu and Ginny with Imu's eye and powers and Ginny's fashion sense (the revolutionary hat and wearing short shorts).

[dusky acorn]

However, the manga showed the fight differently than the interpretations you seem to have recieved from the anime. We didn't have any implication Blackbeard was ever in the sea, or coming from it. Van Auger simply aids Blackbeard ashore on Winner Island, and that's the end of it.

Seemingly, the conclusion of Law and Blackbeard's fight is already inplicated by "Black Vortex", where Blackbeard used his Yami-Yami for the first time against Law, who may have been unaware of its powers or how to deal with it. (As emphasized by his "?!!")

As for the Polar Tang, I believe it could have been sunk even without the usage of a third devil fruit by Blackbeard. His Gura-Gura power can already effect the ocean, as we know it can create tsunamis. So a tremor punch directly below the ocean should seep down deep enough to have been able to break the ship, right?

[rocky heart]

yeah magic mud kinda destroyed my theory with this take

[rocky heart]

in chapter 1063 we can see Law and his crew talking about how the sub will get destroyed after one more hit, so law and his crew make the call to rise to the surface, at Winner Island.

[white bronze]

rocks and garp may be somehow related

Like brothers or so

{ maybe xebec changed his name to rocks ]

[ like how ace changed it from Gol D ace, to Portgas D ace ]

[proud crystal]

I've always thought Dragon was Xebec's son, who married Garp's daughter. Reading the W7 scene, Garp never calls Dragon his son - other people assume it. And Xebec and Dragon look a lot alike.

[dusky acorn]

I'm a fan of this idea. This would be a great way to get Kid in the midst of Elbaph's conflict already, appearing before us in the Western Village.
Otherwise, he would be lost on how to navigate the nation with these "svarr" and "painting" mechanisms.

The only question I have is, why wouldn't he have already appeared in Road's playset when Luffy's group was there at the beginning of Elbaph? I suppose you think the surprise is being saved for once the conflict heats up, since it wouldn't have made much sense for a rivalling pirate captain to join in on the feast with Luffy and the giants who destroyed his very ship

As @primal marten pointed out though, "Dive" is another potential saviour of the crew. Due to her fishwoman-like appearance with sharp teeth she uses for conbat, and name.

The name is suitable for her music-themed crew with "stage-diving" during concerts, but perhaps diving into the ocean is a homage to her potential heritage and another reason for her name. https://imgur.com/a/G4Cp06V

[umbral summit]

Possible

[steady prism]

In the past there were Vivire notes that described Dragon directly as his son. In ch1087 we got confirmation of that when Garp in his flashback with Kuzan implies that his son (ie Dragon) became a revolutionary.

I remember this theory circulating around a lot but I’d say it’s been debunked unless we get more conflicting info besides W7.

[proud crystal]

Ohhhh, that's pretty decisive, yeah. Thank you for showing me that!

[stiff patrol]

Now that I think about it, Qillingham's fruit sort of feels like Uta's fruit in a way.
Like, the way he's able to make the kids fall asleep and yet make them walk is awfully similar to how Uta was controlling the crowd of people in the real world and how she makes others fall asleep just by singing

This was probably obvious to anyone reading, but it was something that I just realized

-# actually... wait no, the controlling thing is probably just Gunko using her arrows to guide them-- but y'know what i mean jshfndfb

[humble marsh]

Sleeping is the only thing similar, their powers do exact opposite things to people

Uta's powers brings people into the "dream"

Quillingham's power brings things out of people's dream into real world lol

[stiff patrol]

-# I'm just now realizing, yea :'P

[pure raven]

So here is my theory for blackbeard, The reason blackbeard has abnormal body could be because he eats a lot of food like cherry pies but I believe since has has the power of the dark dark fruit he must be storing something or I can see that he loses his weight after some time and becomes a healthy weight person (This could help with his appearance making him look more handsome), Now the question on where would blackbeard go after his battle with Law? Well probably back to his island to get Garp and renovate his island, After that he can either go to Fishman island or wano, probably he will go to fishman island to capture the ancient weapon and then he will no diff red haired rat Shanks and might find the one piece.

[fallen flower]

Brain rot ahh theory

[pure raven]

We will see, Heh.

[dusky acorn]

So you think Gunko may be a full-fledged clone of Ginny, or at least a figure created using her blood-line elements?
As far as we know though, Vegapunk and originally along with MADS were the first ones succesful with cloning. Saturn may be a scientist, but his level of proficiency in triumphant experiments being that high isn't known yet.

As for Ginny herself, why do you think her bloodline elements would be seen as so valuable? She was a revolutionary commander at one point, but do you really think her strength was grand enough to use for creating a Holy Knight?
We do know Saturn experimented on her, but that was in context to seeing if the Age-Age fruit could be given to Bonney as the baby in her womb whilst retaining the devil fruit. And that experiment actually led to an unideal outcome, with Saturn losing the fruit to a woman he likely saw as rubbish. For all we know, Ginny was merely one of many mistreated and disposable slaves put through random experiments by Saturn.

[white bronze]

Gunko is Margarita

( if you make gubko hair blonde, you will see the similarities

Margarita its that one girl from Amazon Lily

Both of them looks so similar in the shoulders and everything else

[pure raven]

I know this is a long shot, but I think we're going to find out that Nami is a Celestial Dragon in this arc and Gunko is her cousin.

Why do I think this?

0. Not a real deductive reasoning. Just identifying similarities. But she is portrayed as a cute character with nice legs and has a similar wavy hair to Nami, even tho much shorter.
1. The Song she sang was that of Brook's own creation. She clearly has a taste for his music. It could be safe to guess that she is at least aware of who he is - which is a curiosity as most people on the Red Line don't concern themselves with the world below. It might even be safe to say she's probably read up on most of the Straw Hats if she knows about one, and what would peak her curiosity?
2. thanks to the meal scene we know she's not accustomed to being treated as a true Royal and is more of a hireling status. But we also know that the Celestial Dragons are a hierarchy and bloodline lineage is super important to them. For this, I think it's safe to say that Gunko could be related to someone with some higher status blood. And I do believe Nami's true origins prior to her relationship to Bellamir are still up in the air. The most interesting thing for this to be would for Nami to be of the higher order, as this would contrast with Gunko's status.
3. Oda is constantly connecting enemies to heroes in our story through direct relationships that are initially hidden to the reader. It's fairly on theme for him to be adding a villain that would add a layer of complexity to the whole ordeal, give more emotional investment to the situation, and of course have bonds of friends/bloodlines being a strong focus of the plot.
4. The Setup of the plot was for there to be a fake Shanks running around, but that might have just been a misdirect as there are already other other "clone/twins" running aroun in the form of Nightmares. So it would really solidify the whole confusion of mistaken identities w/ a lookalike Nami and potentially others.

Nami being identified and kidnapped at the end of this arc could also set up the "last straw" >_> before Luffy decides it's time to go blow up the red line.

[cunning iron]

During the fight between Kuzan and Garp, the little flashback shows that Garp is furious because "his son became a revolutionary"

[late elm]

Crazy theory here so take it with a grain of salt, but what if Gunko is her own person and not some clone or vessel or hybrid

What if she’s a new character that showed up in the story

[keen trellis]

doubt it when they covering her face

[late elm]

All of these guys are clones or vessles for imu until the yshowed their faces i guess

ronse is actually just a clone of harjudin

i bet youre going ot say soge king is a clone of usopp next

[keen trellis]

majority of these characters are not important, killer is a good point, but characters like katakuri and king faces were hidden for important reasons

[late elm]

gunko is an important character?

[keen trellis]

definitely has been shown as one

[late elm]

gunko is hte equivelant of gladius

[keen trellis]

cap

[late elm]

just a executive

until gunko shows any real signs of sticking around then she is just going to get beat by the strawhats

[dusky acorn]

Yes, it's most likely Gunko is a brand new character, as she's blatantly portrayed as so far. Whether it be jay's Ginny theory or Mudd's Nami relative theory though, nobody is claiming that they have the ultimate theory bound to come true. But if the possibility of Gunko actually being someone else is there, there's no harm in letting them give their hypothesis.

Rather than state what's already clear, why not critique the contents of our friends hard-worked theories? The discussion you are having is very reasonable and good points are being made on both ends, it's just more fitting for #manga-serious since it doesn't stem from an actual theory, but rooted at what the story already presents, the new character Gunko being the new character.

[fringe plover]

Loki Timeline

-113 Years ago, Sister Caramel begins child slavery.

-100 Years Ago, The World-Terrorizing Giant Soldier Pirate Crew lost Dorry and Brogy as a result of their argument. Elbaph giants brought to gallows and Sister Caramel saves them.

-63 Years Ago, Lin Lin is abandoned on Elbaph.

-62 Years and 2 Months Ago, Loki is Born and Lin Lin (Age 5) destroys the village of elbaph and Kills Jorul/Yorule.

-52 Years Ago, Loki uses his own natural strength to make The Realm of The Dead his own playground, killing many ferocious beasts and taming the rest, which explains his friendship with the animals near his "holding cell" at the base of the tree. He was also an Arsonist and caused lots of trouble around this age.

-44 Years Ago, The Rocks Pirates are created (Loki is 19)

-44 to 38 Years Ago, Xebec goes to Elbaph for an unknown reason.
-Loki fights Xebec in this time gap at the age of 19-24. Loki has no fruit during this fight.
-The pewpiece spoilers most likely call Loki "kid" because elbaf giants age slower than humans. So Loki being 19-24 human years old in his fight with Xebec is probably a lot less in Elbaph Giant Years.

-38 Years Ago, Xebec Died. Loki Bumped into and Spoke to Xebec before he died obviously.

-14 Years Ago, Loki kills ~99 Elbaf soldiers, Harald, and stabs Jarul in the face and takes to sea for 8 years.

-6 Years Ago, Loki gets captured by Shanks as he went out to sea.
<6 Years Ago, Loki gets sentenced to crucifixion.

Putting this here for reference/to add to
||piecewise||

[sly laurel]

Also in the 44-38 Years ago gap Goldbergs father likely fought BM when she was with Rocks and got that Homie from this chapter, and in the 14-6 years ago Gap Loki met BM and Proposed to Lola.

[cloud portal]

Guys i have a theory on how blackbeard will die

[cloud portal]

Basically, you know how blackbeard is known for mainly using devil fruits right? Well what is the devil fruit’s greatest weakness? Water. So I think that after Luffy defeats blackbeard, he gets thrown/falls into water and drowns in a poetic death, his devil fruits making his efforts against drowning useless.

[cloud portal]

Another thing which I think would be poetic is if his crew were all laughing at him while he drowned, to show how much distrust and backstabbery is in the crew

[stiff patrol]

Just wanted to put this thought here, even if it's just a reach but--
I really think Imu used Pluton to destroy Lulusia instead of the Mother Flame.
It was said that Pluton could destroy entire islands and it's a warship. I can't recall whether if they specified if it can fly or if it sails on the water, but I just have a feeling that it might've been Pluton that Imu was using once I looked at the Alabasta arc further during my rewatch.

Again, it might just be a reach, but that's what I think so far-- I might have to keep watching though since there's a bit more info about Pluton on Enies Lobby, but until then, that's just what I've gathered so far in my mind

[iron current]

so the Pluton that is supposed to be in Wano was a lie?

[stiff patrol]

Wait, so there was no mention of Uranus in Wano or am I trippin?

My head is all over the place, God damn

[stiff patrol]

holy shit i forgot

Bruh mb

[iron current]

It's fine dude, there is no way to remember everything

[stiff patrol]

Yea, true
I really needed this rewatch so bad, then

Thx for the reminder

[mighty eagle]

the only ancient weapon we know least about is uranus and i think imu used uranus to destroy lulisia

[gritty kite]

The submarine couldn’t be underwater if law came out of it. They had to surface to the shore at some point.

[rocky heart]

yeah bro thanks for your input

[hearty charm]

poseidon too

[mighty eagle]

We know about Poseidon

[vast echo]

Short theory on who actually has the last Road Poneglyph:

1. Who is Hinokizu?

The “man with the burn scar” is described in the manga as:
- Mysterious and feared.
- Sailed on a black ship.
- Possibly in possession of the final Road Poneglyph.
- So elusive that some don’t believe he even exists.

The phrase “scar of fire” (hinokizu) evokes themes of destruction, trauma, and rebirth.

2. Klabautermann: The Ship's Soul:

**-**As you'll recall a Klabautermann is a ship spirit that appears when a vessel is truly loved by its crew.
**-**It takes form to protect the ship and its passengers.

This concept was portrayed with the Going Merry, whose Klabautermann risked everything to carry its crew to safety.

3. Summary:

If Oda were to hide a guardian of the One Piece behind flame and myth, what better disguise than the ghost of a ship, reborn to steer the course of fate?

The Hinokizu Man (Man with the burned scar) is the Klabautermann (The ship's soul) of the Oro Jackson (Roger's Ship).

The Oro Jackson, built from the nearly indestructible Adam Wood, carried the Pirate King to Laugh Tale. It was a ship not only legendary in construction but also in the deep bond it shared with its crew. If any ship’s spirit could transcend death or form, it would be the Oro Jackson’s.

When the Oro Jackson met its end — whether by battle, fire, or intentional destruction — its Klabautermann did not die.
Instead, imbued with the unparalleled will of Gol D. Roger’s crew and the legacy of the journey to Laugh Tale, this spirit persisted, evolving into a guardian entity:

-> The “man marked by flames".

Sailing now on a black ship, scarred by the fire that consumed the Oro Jackson, this being protects the last Road Poneglyph — a final act of love for the world’s most legendary voyage.

[craggy pumice]

Immediately on board (haha)

Klabautermann = hype, the ship being Oro Jackson = hype, what more do you need

[thorn vale]

LET HIM COOK!!!!! Omg! Nash this is my favorite theory yet!!!

[night crag]

About "hinokizu" it is written in Katakana in japanese which is mainly used in names. This would mean that "hinokizu" is the name of the individual.

[vast echo]

Maybe I'm wrong but...
So is the Oro Jackson, Going Merry, and countless other ships names, no? It could be the name after which, it was reborn.

[night crag]

I still like your Klaubauterman theory and think the black ship could have its own will and soul and sail by itself. It is the same concept of "cursed blades" who awakened their own will.

[rocky heart]

honestly this theory slaps the hardest I've seen this year since the black ship could even be Oro Jackson, burned but not destroyed!

[red solar]

that would go fr hard, but can klabautermann do crazy spirit shi like make whirlpools? been a long time since water 7 so i forgot, but image the strawhats have to fight the oro jackson lmao

[vast echo]

I mean merry wasn't even made from the Adam tree and went through a storm (Chapter 430) and then underwater directly to the straw hats in the nick of time at Ennies Lobby.
If a "normal" ship could do that at its last moments, imagine what a Klabautermann of an Adam tree ship with the will and care of all the Roger pirates after sailing across the grand line could do.

idk if fighting would be the right word, but maybe it deeming them worthy, maybe even by talking to the Sunny's Klabautermann!!!

[red solar]

that would go hard

idk if yall have seen this theory but ill put it here for those who havent seen it

so yknow how whitebeard was like

"whoever finds the one piece will flip this world upside down"

and yknow how sabo went to mariejois

and was like

"i never expected to find hell at the top of the world"

WHAT IF

the world i already flipped upside down

with hell and its demons being at the top of the word (the red line)

and heaven being the many islands on the ocean, as weve seen that the ppl living on these islands are genuinely kind

so perhaps whoever fins the one piece

will eventually flip the world upside down and sink mariejois

putting hell back into the ground where it belong while heaven is able to remain at the top of the world

[buoyant crescent]

I am sure that black beard is trying to become a celestial dragon so he can get close to Emu and steal his abilities.

[distant leaf]

How would he know about imu

[candid ice]

I’m not sure if you’ve come across the Westbound theory about how One Piece might end. If you have, great! If not, that’s fine too. I won’t dive deep into the details of the theory here, but it’s pretty clear that it’s based on straightforward thinking and basic reading comprehension. What I’m getting at is that if you’re reading One Piece, and you’re caught up with the manga, you’ve probably thought about predicting what could happen next. Some parts you might guess right; others, not so much.

Take the current Elbaf arc, for example. A lot of us can agree that Loki isn’t guilty—he’s been falsely accused of crimes he didn’t commit. Some people might agree with my opinion, while others won’t. There’s even a possibility that the theory gets it right, and Loki turns out to be innocent. It feels pretty likely, but ultimately, it’s up to Oda to decide where the story goes. Westbound’s theory mixes similar kinds of speculation. For instance, it suggested we’d learn about Robin’s past after the Water 7 arc. That did happen, but during the Water 7 arc, not afterward. Westbound also said Whitebeard would fight Luffy at the Pirate Summit, and though Luffy would lose, he’d earn Whitebeard’s respect. If you were around when that theory came out, you might’ve believed Luffy would clash with Whitebeard and win his admiration. Well, it didn’t happen quite as Westbound predicted, but at Marineford, Whitebeard did end up respecting Luffy.

What really caught my attention in Westbound’s theory were two ideas: first, that four people would fight at All Blue for One Piece, and second, that Laugh Tale (or Raftel, as it used to be called) wouldn’t be the final arc. Westbound claimed the last arc would reveal the main villain who’s been behind everything, aiming to rule the World Government. He thought it would be Dragon. Personally, I wouldn’t go that far, but I do think the last arc has to uncover the mastermind pulling the strings.

To me, these two parts of Westbound’s theory—the fight for One Piece at All Blue and the reveal of the final villain—have about a 50% chance of coming true. I wouldn’t go beyond 50% because, well, you never know with Oda.

[buoyant crescent]

its not so much know about emu but about the ability: he knows some mysterious shit and if he managed to find out about someone having a ability in the void centuray ( emu's ability) and knowing as much about fruit as he seems to he figured it would be some king of hito-hito (hence why he was i drum island) and after not finding/ hearing about it he figured its gonna be in Mary Geoise

[candid ice]

But Blackbeard is a D clan member and a very well known pirate who will do anything to get what he wants.

So even if he becomes a celestial dragon even if there's a chance , there's no way he will get the chance to be near imu or higher authority who are above celestial dragons

[buoyant crescent]

once he is upther ehe can just use force

its not like he is a nice guy

like how he became a Warlord to get near impel dowd.

[candid ice]

It's a bit of a different case here. celestial dragons themselves are restricted to be near imu or higher authorities than them. On the other hand those people are just dumb who love to torture normal civilians through money and power . So even if they are cd ,still not the people that can be taken seriously. While Blackbeard on the other hand is a completely different story so even if he becomes a celestial dragon still he isn't getting near of imu at all

[buoyant crescent]

So Sabo can figure out a way to find Emu but Black beard wouldnt be able to?

as long as he gets in to Mary Geoise he can wreck the place when hes there

thats why he wast to be a celestial dragon.

[candid ice]

My pony is he isn't getting the celestial dragon status without any restriction and the restriction will be more than the normal celestial dragons. I highly doubt he will even get the chance to be in marijoa.

[buoyant crescent]

so he wont be allowed up?

naaa if admirils that are suposedly banned from there can get in a celestial dragon - even honary one can

[candid ice]

Akainu and shamrock are someone who can easily get the pass to meet gorosie because they work under them and only follow the commands that they give On the other hand we have blackbeard here, which undoubtedly put questions in the gorosie mind that if this guy is even trustworthy to step foot in marijoa

[buoyant crescent]

it can't be that secure if Sabo and the revolutionaries can get in. Look you think Marie Geoise is fort Knox or something. From What i can tell its more like a country club.

[hardy trench]

It absolutely is fort knox, blackbeard will be able to get in though because devon has saturn’s appearance - and presumably his access to the abyss - copied

[candid ice]

Sabo one puts questions regarding its security towards gorosie and imu but I am stating a common fact that they are definitely gonna take precautions before giving blackbeard any kind of political power and that's also a celestial dragon level

[buoyant crescent]

caz they did that with Doffie, balck beard (when he became a warlord) and York.

[candid ice]

Nahhh the one piece is destroying the red line and stabilizing the calm belt

Thus creating all blue and then happily sailing across the free ocean

[woeful jolt]

I agree sir

[naive terrace]

Yeah

There's another theory saying Blackbeard is xebecs son this explains him destroying drum island

[keen trellis]

well well well

also note that hiriluk came back to drum island a year after the god valley incident

[small estuary]

How the hell someone who stabs a child can become so kind and literally take care of a deer

[solid jasper]

Hates humans, loves animals

[dusky acorn]

I wholeheartedly agree with the supporting evidence of your theory that states how enemies are constantly being connected to at least one ally character. In fact, nearly all post-TS villains of each respective arc have had some sort of underlying connection or history with "heroes" of the arcs. Allow me to give some examples to further this notion:

• FMI: Hody Jones and Jinbe
• Punk Hazard: Vergo and Law
• Dressrosa: Doffy and Law
• Zou.. arguably Jack and Scabbards. (At least, we know A "Jack" was in Kaido's forces even 20 years ago.)
• WCI: Pedro and Big Mom / Tamago
• Wano: Scabbards and Kaido
• Egghead: Bonney / Kuma and Kizaru / Saturn

So effectively, this set of Holy Knights would currently be an exceedingly rare class of villains, with no connection or history with any ally on Elbaph to speak of? As you can see, it would be very strange to write, especially in the modern One Piece story.

Gunko is continually being given the most screen-time. EVEN despite arriving to Elbaph first, the screen-time still isn't being balanced properly with her other knights.
And isn't it ironic that despite all this focus, we still technically know the least about her? Not what her face looks like, nor her surname or which Celestial family she rightfully belongs to, if any.

I'm not sure if I'd argue something like Nami's relative though. But in any case, given that Gunko has had over 80+ panels, while the others have only had 20+, I think ir's safe to assume something deeper is going to be developed with her character, specifically involving a connection to a character on the good guy side.

[keen trellis]

bro shot chopper😭

[candid ice]

When I started thinking about it, I couldn't stop myself from sharing it with everyone. What I want to convey today is not just a theory—it's something that will happen in the future. Let be clear I am not saying that it will unfold exactly the way I'm envisioning it but still there's a chance it can So, let's begin. My idea is based on two things: first, Oda's statement that One Piece was initially planned for 5 years of serialization, and second, the post-time skip events.

Initially, One Piece only had the Yonko as villains for the Straw Hats to face. This was actually a suggestion from staff and editors, who advised Oda not to let the Straw Hats fight the Yonko too early, as they were incredibly strong. Because of this, the Warlord system was added to the story. Now, if we consider the things that happened post-time skip, can we deduce Oda's initial plan by comparing it to the ongoing manga? And can we also predict what might happen in future events?

We know that haki was always a part of One Piece. Whitebeard and Shanks' meeting is valid proof of this—the very first introduction of haki in the series. So, Oda always intended for haki to play a significant role. Luffy learned three types of haki under Rayleigh's guidance: observation, armament, and conqueror's. But we also know that Luffy mastered advanced versions of these haki types after entering the New World.

First, in Whole Cake Island, Luffy learned future sight. But if we consider Oda's world of One Piece as being originally planned for just 5 years, isn't what Luffy learned in Whole Cake actually observation? As we know, Luffy didn't learn future sight through training but through intense battle. And since Oda said One Piece wasn't meant to be this long, doesn't that mean Oda originally planned for the Straw Hats to learn haki through battles with the Yonko?

Next, in Wano, Luffy learned Ryou to fight Kaido, which essentially does internal damage to the body. But again, if we go by Oda's world-building, doesn't this mean Luffy originally learned just armament in Wano? I know many people might say, "What nonsense is this? These are advanced techniques!" I understand these are advanced techniques. What I'm saying is that Oda definitely had this idea of letting the Straw Hats learn haki through battles.

Now, here's the best part—the thought that drove me to write all this. If we follow this line of reasoning, we know Shanks possesses an ability called "observation killer," which is an advanced conqueror technique. In One Piece, only Shanks has this advanced conqueror's haki. So, can we speculate that Luffy will learn advanced conqueror's haki, or "observation killer," by fighting Shanks? I'm a huge Shanks fan, but I can't stop myself from imagining this possibility—that Oda might have planned for the Straw Hats to learn haki through battles with Yonko crews. If that's the case, there might be a fight between Luffy and Shanks so that Luffy can learn "observation killer." It's amazing, don't you think? If this happens, I can't wait for the future Elbaf chapters!

[keen trellis]

i might have to remake the hiriluk is rocks theory

[lyric frigate]

I am sorry if I don't know if this exists already but do you think D being half moon is true
In vegapunks transmission message " for those who carry will of D , among u there is mo- "
He might have been trying to say moon

[keen trellis]

I think during the God Valley Incident, Imu took the opportunity to take down the most powerful threats to him which were Rocks and Roger, both potentially being a new Joyboy (i wouldn’t be surprised if Imu knows about the prophecy). I ain’t gonna theorize Imu’s abilities because i really have no idea, but i do think he had the ability that caused Roger’s illness. Since how come we haven’t learned about this illness yet? Like it can’t be some illness he got from just traveling when he’s known to be one of the powerful characters in the verse. I think whatever happened with the mysterious conclusion to God Valley had something to do with Imu making an appearance. I think the only people that witnessed Imu were Rocks and Roger. They both got hit with the fatal illness. With that being the case, Rocks went missing and Roger came out looking victorious. The news being spread around that Garp the Hero and Roger defeated Rocks since the WG would want more publicity on the navy having a huge part of the victory. I ain’t gonna downplay Garp because i do believe he had a major hand in the God Valley incident, but I don’t believe he help defeat Rocks. Garp never accepted the role of Fleet Admiral due to learning who he was fighting to protect at God Valley (the celestial dragons).
On that day though, Roger had a change on what he wants to do in life. Witnessing the existence of Imu, made him want to learn about the world for what it really was. That’s why Roger and his crew went on a journey to learn everything that Imu was trying to hide. Sadly, Roger realized he was too early when he finally found the truth of it all. Imu never interfered with Roger since the God Valley only due to being confident enough to believe Roger would eventually die from the illness he got from Imu. While Imu was right that Roger would die from it, but Roger did checkmate Imu by the end with telling the world before he died that he wants everyone to find his treasure.

[fossil mulch]

it's a really good one
but it has another level of posibllity it may be the soul of joy boy's ship too
or an person who did something wrong to joyboy and has to atone for it like zunesia or emith
like he had nothing to do but when he found out about phonegliph/someone told him / someone entrusted him responsibility he accepted it
and the scar makes more sense as he is a survivor of old times like gorosie who all have scars

[keen trellis]

Which ends up really being a message from Joyboy (whatever that message truly is). The reason why Roger didn’t just straight up tell everyone the truth is due to two big reasons i think: 1. This true chosen one needs to go through all sorts of trials/challenges to fully obtain the strength to defeat someone like Imu
2. What’s the fun of just spoiling the adventure
So while Roger ended truly fulfilling his D role with impacting the world around him, Rocks’ story is way more hidden and kinda sad.
Rocks was a cocky, no fucks given, ruthless captain. I do believe he was a terrible person that even his crewmates weren’t even a big fan of, the only reason i believe they followed Rocks was due to him being extremely powerful. Rocks’ goal was to rule the world, but that dream went down the toilet as soon as he was defeated by Imu. Whatever Imu did to Rocks, weakened him to a point where he couldn’t even use his devil fruit abilities anymore(which i believe is the dark dark fruit). Now being powerless, Rocks couldn’t just go back to his crew, they would never follow him now. So nearly on the brink of death, Rocks witnesses the Cherry Blossoms which i believe were on God Valley. One of the most beautiful things he had ever witnessed which change his view on life and he grew a fondness for it. So instead of taking over the world, he wanted to save it, his true D roots shining through. Rocks went to reside at his birthplace, Drum Island, a cold and depressing place which was most likely why Rocks became the cold hearted that he was, but now with a changed heart, wants to change that place for the good. The reason why i don’t think anybody searched for Rocks at drum island was due to him never telling his past to anybody, not even his crewmates, for being a cruel and cold person that he was, i wouldn’t be surprised if that were the case.

[keen trellis]

Either Hiriluk was his true name or that became his new name to hide his true identity. The reason why i believe Rocks survived longer than Rogers was due to Rocks efforts to try to keep himself alive by medicating himself as much as possible, while Rogers continued adventuring as a pirate.
So now as Hiriluk, he’s job now is helping sick people, looking to cure himself, and potentially recreating the cherry blossoms experience that he had at God Valley due to that island being destroyed, there’s no way of witnessing it any otherway. I believe during this time, Hiriluk rescued a young Marshall Teach from a sickness, due to that Teach felt fully indebted to Hiriluk. I think due to Teach’s special lineage, his family was most likely killed or enslaved by the WG, which left him an orphan and made him the way he is today. Teach learning about Hiriluk’s past as Rocks and his old motivations to overthrow the government made Teach aspire to do what his mentor failed to accomplish. With Hiriluk’s new found love for the world, i definitely think he tried to discourage Teach from doing anything heinous, but Teach went off to fulfill Hiriluk’s old dream. Teach ended up joining Hiriluk’s old mates crew which was Whitebeard.
Many years later, we get the Chopper and Hiriluk story that we all know. Chopper ended up being the child that Hiriluk always wanted(what he wanted teach to be). I think the reason why Hiriluk never told Chopper his past was due to him not wanting Chopper to try to attempt what Teach was doing currently.

[keen trellis]

Hiriluk’s illness from Imu eventually was getting to him and Chopper’s mushroom soup didn’t help that, but he saw the potential in Chopper, feeling hopeful now, he gave his final fuck you’s to the fascists dictator leading the place he was raised at before ending his life with a smile on his face. Fully achieving his role as a D by inspiring someone like Chopper to save the world.

[near hinge]

What is the point of Hiriluk not fighting wapol

[keen trellis]

didn’t have the strength to

[near hinge]

The thing is all the old persons like garp or rayleigh are top tier so why a 68yo rocks would struggle to fight wapol

[keen trellis]

two possibilities being either the illness got to a point where he can’t even use his strength or he’s hiding his true strength due to ppl figuring out his true identity. im thinking it’s more due to his illness since if he was still extremely powerful, why would he give up on his dreams to take over the world at that point

[keen trellis]

a few years later, Blackbeard gets ahold of the dark dark fruit which i believe was originally Rocks’ fruit.
Blackbeard starts his own crew and goes back to drum island to possibly recruit Hiriluk, but he soon found out he was dead and so Blackbeard wrecked the drum island which made Wapol and his crew run away

I believe Blackbeard is a fake D member, as Oda has been for numerous arcs now that there’s always a traitor and i believe one of those traitors is a “supposed” D member, I think Blackbeard took the D title due to his aspiration for Rocks. Dr Vegapunks was gonna say something about the D members before his message got cut off by the gorosei, but i believe it was gonna be something about there being a fake member

Lastly i want to predict how all this will come full circle. I believe Luffy will get hit by the same illness that Rocks and Roger had from Imu, the difference this time is that i think Chopper will find a cure to save Luffy’s life and this might even be the cure to all illnesses which Chopper wanted to achieve by the end. I think it would be extremely poetic that Chopper would eventually find the right cure that he couldn’t achieve to save his old mentor years ago, but now this time he can by saving his captain. 🥺

[steady prism]

Who do you think the took the 4th Road Poneglyph from FMI? Members of the (disbanded) Roger crew or the Klabautermann?

[vast echo]

The Klabauterman from the Merry Go repaired the ship in Skypea, I suppose it's not impossible for an even stronger one to move a poneglyph.
I mean, Merry Go's was able to repair itself, talk to iceberg, and navigate all the way from water 7 to Ennies Lobby through a storm and underwater, and they had her for far less than Rogers crew had the Oro Jackson.
So I suppose the Klabauterman could've definitely done it.

[candid ice]

So the base of you theory comes from shanks and buggy conversation about kid bb not sleeping and Luffy telling sanji in drum island that people who lived here some of them haven't slept in their entire life.

Right?

[buoyant crescent]

Black beard went to Drum to check out what Hito-hito no me model was there.

[steady prism]

Could you please elaborate and explain why you think that? Is there any in-story evidence he was searching for something while he was there?

[inland prairie]

Devil fruit reincarnation is supposedly random no way out of millions of islands he will get to know where it spawned

It was mostly him making a name for bb pirates gaining fame

[stable brook]

i think rock .d. xebec is eye patch pirate

[buoyant crescent]

I think its because all the Hito-Hito devil fruits seems to be important in some way, I think once he heard there was a "monster" in drum, maybe made him think of some kind of Hito-hito model. Once he hear/ saw chopper he decided to GTFO caz its not what he wanted. He was thinkign the monstier was like a elder star monster or something.

if Emu's power's would be a Hito-Hito No me modle. but i dont think emu ate a devil fruit. s/he was the progenitor - so they wished for the power and gave it to them selfs ( vega Punks explanation)

[steady prism]

Since this channel’s for longer theories, do you have any in-story evidence/reasoning to support that?

[inland prairie]

The government erased the name hito hito no mi model from the history so no one should know about it but bb has special lineage so he might know about the void 😵‍💫

[buoyant crescent]

they erased the hito-hito no me model Nikka

there are other Hito-hito no me's running around

eg> Hito Hito no Mi, Model: Daibutsu

[dusky acorn]

I hold the same theory behind what Blackbeard's final fate will be. Currently, some readers are puzzled as to why Law mentioned the shared devil fruit weakness of all the main crew-members. Especially given that it didn't really come into play at all within their fight.

However, I believe this can be used as evidence to foreshadowing the final fate that awaits Blackbeard, (and potentially his officers). They will die off into the sea after Luffy and his crew beats them.

After all, Blackbeard WILL either have to be killed, or locked up for a lifetime by the end of the series. He's not like Kid or Law in that he will freely roam the ocean and lead the new generation of pirates by the end of the series, as Oden and Yamato predicts. His goals are far too evil on a world-scale for that.

Thereby, dying into the sea is the one way I envision having Luffy kill someone-- inadvertantly. Similar to what happened with Kaido and his defeat into the volcano.

[hallow bear]

My theorised road map for the rest of elbaf (will do the other arcs later if i feel like it)

1. remainder of elbaf- the gods knights will only prove to be a hint to what well see in the future as opponents for the lesser strawhats

Then up to the heaven realm where kid and hopefully urouge is (i just want him to be relevant), here well get a crew realisation that they need to level up learning that relying on the monster quartet and allied isn't the way to go forward, while their main focus will be on learning haki (probably through gyaban where well learn about some of the no name roger pirates) however I believe there will be some other developments
Oda will remember nami has more than lightning

Usopp will get some new ammo maybe even a new weapon

Chopper will either get a new point or 2 or just learn how to make new drugs (perhaps hito awakening)

Robin will also get an awakening and maybe learn some new Marshall arts

Franky will finally get the upgrades he shouldve gotten if egghead didn't turn in a warzone 5 mins after arriving

Brook will camp out in the underworld section to get some new otherworldly abilities

The rest of the monster trio is up for debate if they get any massive upgrades although I do think gyban has the last road poneglyph

Then we'll get enel back with some new abilities he picked up on the moon and give some more void century type stuff

After enels rematch shamrock returns finding whatever left of the holy knights on the island and goes on the offencive, after he retreats its time for the next island

[cloud portal]

Yes! Thank you for expanding on my theory further.

[willow ether]

guys i think i know what the one piece is

luffy is joyboy right?

to be king of the pirates is to be free so i think he will defeat imu and make everyone free. but how? baisiclly every straw hat has there own dreams and so to be free all of their dreams have to come true so the one piece is everyone`s dream being true and means that they are all free and because luffy is the one who freed them he will be king of the pirates because he is the one who made everyone's dream come true

i think the reason roger left the one piece is because he couldnt defeat imu himself and he knew that someone (luffy) will be like joyboy and free the pirates again

[stable brook]

bcz oda is not showing the xbec clearly,but in recent chapter xbec is gonna play major role bcz of loki that's why o think that xbec is eye patch pirate also in recent chapter u can clearly see that oda is only showing one eye of xebec{in loki backstory}

[keen trellis]

i mean that brought up a bit of that idea especially with blackbeard side of the theory

[plain hedge]

I have a Franky theory

So Suppperrrrr

•In Franky's backstory we have seen he was making his own battle ships named Battle Franky. He made 35 of them he named them

Battle Franky 1,2,3.........35.

•When Franky transformed himself as a cyborg he nicknamed himself as Battle Franky 36.

•In fact after time skip Franky referred him as Battle Franky 37

•After Time skip Franky never got his face on Bounty poster

1st bounty poster : His face

2nd Bounty poster: Shogun Franky

3rd Bounty Poster: Sunny

World Government might have some different intentions on that

But we know Oda loves to play with our minds

What if He is hinting that in final war Franky might become a war Ship and he might even Able to transform him to big Optimus prime

[neat kraken]

Ssuuuppeerrrr theory

[cunning iron]

Your theory is interesting, I think it's clear Franky is gonna be involved with Pluton at some point and maybe he'll be able to operate it or "fuse" with it, who knows....your theory is very good! And you know in the SBS where we saw the "bad future" version of Franky, he did actually become a whole ship lol

[pure raven]

I love Franky Theories.
BUT
There is this whole underlying theme of his character between what you're willing to give up for your dreams vs what you're willing to do to take care of those around you.
The whole give and take of what it means to be a man who follows his dreams.
So in the end, I don't think Franky himself will become a giant robot.

I think a lot of people have predicted that Franky will have a super transformation for the Thousand Sunny.
I Think a lot of people are also predicting that Kidd to play a larger part in the end game.
There's still also the plot of bringing back the Stella
Right now in Elbaph it seems like everything and anything is possible

If they can fixate him with Green Blood, maybe they can give him some growth Devil Fruit powers and he can also go super-giant to help Luffy like Ultraman.
If they find some ancient technology that reacts to Luffy's powers, they could supercharge his kit with upgrades.
If Kidd returns, Franky and Kidd could work together to create some cool creations and have like a Punk Megazord that could fuse with the Sunny.
I wouldn't mind if the Thousand Sunny got some upgrades too.
If they bring back the Stella as they want to, we could get some super future tech robot upgrades for all of the Straw Hat Fleet's ships and maybe have all the geniuses together to attempt to build the false Pluton.

😄 I'm leaning on the last one but would love to see all of these play out as the progress through the plot.
I'm still kind of banking on the real Pluton falling under Blackbeard's control,
cause that would be thematic to the whole history of Franky and probably the events leading to the Void Century.
Then we could end up with Straw Hat Grand Fleet vs the Island of Hachinosu and Blackbeard's Fleet as the next arc after Elbaph

Unfortunately this means that Shanks vs Blackbeard will probably also have to happen soon. And I imagine when Shanks means "It's time to go after the One Piece", he probably means getting the Ancient Weapons ready for the end game. So it's likely fate that will see the two together in Wano. We might even get some intervention from Momonosuke, Zunesha and Yamato (which is my theory on why the cover story is focused on him and getting us familiar with more of what Wano is like right now and who lives there before the Pluton wakes up and breaks the outer walls)

The news of Wano's destruction and the defeat of Red Haired Shanks will ripple throughout the seas. The news will probably not hit them until after they are done in Elbaph. However, it will definitely be the driver and spark for the final war. If Shanks gets captured or worse, Luffy will have no choice but to intervene. I don't know if he'll want to call on the allies however, so that will probably be the Giant Pirates and maybe Big News Morgan??? sending out the call rather than the Straw hat crew themselves. But that kind of information spread also means the Marines and Cross Guild will see the opportunity to intervene and make a power grab while the two big crews are fighting. Think Marineford but Shanks is the one Luffy wants to save and Blackbeard with his Captains hold the hill instead of the Marines.

[red solar]

have u ever seen teh theory of shanks and shamrock paralelling norse mythology? shanks and shamrock represent the twin wolves skol and hati, who constantly chase the sun and the moon. when ragnarok happens, both wolves will eventually devour the moon and sun. Since we know luffy represents the sun, shamrock may go after luffy in the final war and shanks may confront blackbeard, the opposite of luffy, very soon

idk if i think its super accurate but i love mythological parallels

[fierce thorn]

Ok I got an interesting Morgans theory, on Egghead he reported false news but to him he would have seen it as accurate news. Now he most likely have several ways of getting intel BUT Vegapunk was so advanced it would be hard to imagine he didn't have defences against being spied upon (This is proven with how many actual government spies were caught.)

Morgans however is very good at tapping into calls to the military and what he heard was Luffy say over the communications was
"Hello this is Monkey D Luffy"
"The Man who will be King of the Pirates"
"We have Dr Vegapunk"
"If you value Yorks life move your ships away from the shore"

So even though Vivi knows the events Morgans is reporting isn't accurate.

To Morgans that is exactly what is going on and he is never swayed by another faction other than what he can confirm.

[pure raven]

I do love mythology in references in One Piece. Oda certainly has done his research. But no, I have not read on teh story of Skol and Hati. An interesting relationship however, as I do believe that the fruit for Loki may still be that of Fenrir. Rather than fitting Shanks into the slot of Skol however, it would instead have him stand in to represent Tyr, And although Shanks lost his arm defending Luffy, he still makes a good stand in as a one armed God who tricked Fenrir into being bound by Gleipnir. Tyr is referred to in latin texts as Mars or War, and in those texts the prisoners of the Goth are made sacrifices to him. So... lots to pick from and it would even be suitable to call the old Tyr Shanks, as he is a self-less hero of the Gods, and Shamrock might be the representation of the latin texts of Mars (used in place of Tyr).

[steady prism]

I think it doesn’t have to be one or the other. Both Tyr and Skol/Hati are good references Oda could have used in to create Shanks and Shamrock. Oda doesn’t normally do things perfectly one-to-one.

As a side note, one issue I have with Loki having a Fenrir df is that he has claimed he’s the Sun God….how do you think Fenrir is related to the sun god in the OP world? Is it a reference to the destructive interpretations of Nika?

[pure raven]

I personally think the Moniker just hasn't been Explained yet and that it is the title of the rightful ruler of Elbaph, rather than being an actual god. So the former king probably would have been Sun God Herald and now Loki claims his right to the throne by calling himself Sun God Loki. I mostly state this because the worlds of Elbaph are split into three realms, the Underworld, The Sun Realm and the Heaven Realm - and it appears as tho the giants mostly live in the Sun Realm

[simple bolt]

The Eustass Kid Vegapunk theory explained

There is a theory that Eustass Kid is related to Vegapunk in some way. Through blood relation, being a clone, or some other means.

”Punk” relation
This has evidence to back it up through a few points. Firstly, in the most obvious one, how Kid names his attacks. He adds “punk” to the end of most of them, especially his stronger attacks. (Punk Gibson, Punk rotten, Damned punk.) this could be due to his punk style, instead of due to his relation to Vegapunk

The number 7
All of the satellites have a number next to them, 1-6. On the side of Kid’s damned punk, a #7 can be seen. There’s no reason for a seven to be here outside of a design choice.

The sea beasts
Each satellite has a sea beast designated to them, that matches their design and personality. There are six satellites, but seven sea beasts. The seventh one resembles Kid, in it’s hair and emotion, showing anger.

The emotion of the satellites
Each of the satellites have an emotion taken from Vegapunk that they represent. On another theory, they could each Loosely represent one of the seven deadly sins, though I don’t believe this theory myself. But what lines up with both the canon and the theory, is that Kid is very prideful. It was this pride that caused him to lose to Shanks, twice. So the emotion that Kid represents as the seventh satellite , is Pride.

This is a common theory, so this is less of a reawakening of it, but rather a full explanation for those who didn’t know it or understand it

[red solar]

theres no way this theory is incorrect

[simple bolt]

@dusky acorn you have the best Kid theory I’ve seen, what are your thoughts on my explanation of the Kid Vegapunk theory?

[red solar]

guys you know the entire time in one piece weve heard how the past civilizations were more advanced

What if like, the current irl world is the past of one piece, albeit slightly in the future

[stable kindle]

I would probably shoot myself in the head after that reveal

[red solar]

like sanji has french moves, robin has spanish or sum, how could they know these words unless at some point there was a france or french speaking place???

[stable kindle]

I like the Dyson Sphere theory a lot though idk if anyone's talked about that here

[red solar]

maybe when imu took control of the world, he had all the technology destroyed throughout the void century and eliminated any sign of these countries

[stable kindle]

Isn't joyboy's whole thing that he was the first pirate though?

[red solar]

first pirate we know, if imu erased the history of the whole world how would we even know

[steady prism]

It’s a bit meta to think that the current irl world is the past of OP’s world, especially since I’m sure Oda draws inspiration from irl things (mythology/culture/etc). Like it’s certainly possible but I wouldn’t count on it imho unless there’s in-story evidence that our continents/states existed in OP.

[steady prism]

When you say “the first pirate we know”, keep in mind that the whole goal of VP’s speech was to reveal some of the secrets of the void century that Imu erased via what he’s deciphered from the Poneglyphs. So if VP said Joyboy is the first pirate, I’m leaning towards believing he’s indeed the first pirate ever.

[fossil mulch]

this theory is not mine but I thought it was super interesting

so y'all remember brook's time skip place where people were summoning satan with those circles
they then ask if the sacrifice was not enough
so what if the celestial dragons are like gunia pigs who are used / or will be used to sacrifice in future
like think about it
if you are provided with everything in life why will u think about anything
and if you don't think will you have the will to do anything
if you don't have a will isn't it easy to overcome their will
basically celestial dragons are human sacrifices which are fuel for imus powers

[iron current]

!theories

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, power scaling, bounty predictions or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description. Posts here must be in paragraph form, preferably with evidence, not just a one line open question.

[neat kraken]

I also think that the celestial dragons are somehow used by imu. There is no point to provide everything to them, even tho they are descends of the founder 20 rulers

[stable kindle]

This is most definitely what's going to happen a la fullmetal alchemist. Though I doubt they've been consistently sacrificing them over the years, they'll probably wait till final war and sacrifice them all for some huge buff for imu/the gorosei

[fossil mulch]

yea look at doflemingo
he lost privileges and then turned out to have amazing haki
like we know leniage factors play somewhat a major role in haki so maybe these people are dependents of really wonderful haki users
so if they get a will and learn to control it then that's a nightmare for world government but if you just massacre them it's wasted potential so imu is probably planning to harvest it / make use of them in some way

[stable kindle]

Is haki based on lineage?
That's really lame if true

[fossil mulch]

it's not confirmed bro but

roger had coc haki
ace too had coc

garp has coc
dragon also has coc
and Luffy also has coc

kaido has coc
even yamato has
i cannot remember more rn anyways
so why is this significant?
only one in millions of people with haki get access to coc haki as boa's sister told
considering the fact that having haki itself is rare (in the pov of the world )
but all these people have coc haki and they are Linked with each other

[stable kindle]

That'd be so fuckin lame though I don't wanna believe it's true

[fossil mulch]

lol ok

[pure raven]

I think that’s correlating their lineage rather than attributing their relationship to the people and how that affects their living experience. There’s other people who are high up who have rivalries or friendship or familial relations with these people who also have supreme king haki. Whitebeard and the five elders are shown to have it too and I’m sure all of Roger’s crew. So it’s probably just a trait of important people who have been will tested and their lineage factor is less important when it comes to willpower and Haki.

[dusky acorn]

I appreciate your respect for my theories! I'll gladly offer my input.

Well, I honestly don't think there's a good chance on Kid being a satellite, given that Vegapunk created them recently in just the last few years while on Egghead.

However, I do think some sort of connection between Kid and Vegapunk is possible. A saviour, or mentor of his past? Or the one responsible for him eating his jiki-jiki fruit? Anyway, as you say, there's the "punk" connection, but also more potential evidence I don't see noticed by others.

• For instance, the fact that both Killer and Shaka wear similar helmets with headphone-like attachments and all, both seemingly inspired by Daft Punk.

• Moreover, Vegapunk is also a fan of electromagnetism and lasers, precisley what Kid's power is and can do! Damned Punk can literally be read as "Denji Ho", meaning "electromagnetic cannon". If you're familiar with Pokemon for example, the move "Zap Cannon" is said the exact same in Japanese.

• Vegapunk, despite being a professional scientist, once had preferred to be wearing black, rockstar-like clothing, similar to the Kid Pirates aesthetics. Here is "Reck", as an example.

That's about all the extra evidence I can draw on to connect the two characters for now.
Perhaps Lilith, or the Vegapunk being rebirthed on Elbaph would recognize something about Kid or his fruit to confirm this theory? All we must do is wait on an interaction to see.

(Feel free to have a read at your leisure, my usual peeps. ☺️@cobalt igloo @desert quest)

[hushed linden]

Zoro is going to fight shamrock ☘️ zoro is a four leaf clover when you add his three weapons and himself they both are sword users

[steady prism]

Since this channel’s for longer-form theories, do you have any more in-story evidence/reasoning that they’ll destined fight? Maybe something Norse-related?

[sly laurel]

Speaking of Shamrock Since his Sword has the Cerberus Fruit, Does anyone have any updated Ideas for the 3 Blackbeards Theory?
I've heard that 1 Body with Multiple Personalities, or his Zoan, is the Human-Human model Asura, which ironically is a power of Zoro, who was also mentioned above.

its pretty much is a given that He is 3 people at this point the number of clues have far passed the point of it being a Red Herring.

[cobalt igloo]

So I think Kid's connection to vegapunk is more likely going to happen after he comes back, the electromagnetic thing I think is a good start. Depending on whether or not Oda wants to keep Kid as an ally, but I can see him working with VP to help with all the giant robot stuff and hopefully even take control of one for final war prepping. I think he'd be staying on elbaf for a while after he returns and the strawhats likely will not.

[dusky acorn]

Exactly. If there's truly some sort of connection between the two, this is the way Oda would go about it.

Build up one character seperately, build up the other character with their own seperate scenes, then allow both characters to intersect for the grand reveal and development.

The very same thing happened with the other two significant Worst Generation members. Bonney / Kuma, as well as Law / Doffy.

It would be a crazy reveal if the Jiki-Jiki turns out super important to Vegapunk, and he comes to the realisation that this fruit is responsible for the "ancient energy" he's been searching for. Whether it is or isn't, it's undeniable magnetism can move iron giants.

[dusky acorn]

• Trio: exists
• All 3 fruits: Always matched up with each other when together.
• In their fruit introduction: All 3 powers were commented on being "strange", with Luffy's being the "strangest". And Kid turned out to be absolutely correct about Luffy.
• Because 2 / 3 of the trio: DO contain some of the most strangest powers in the series, which also happen to be important to the core plot.

It feels almost disingenuine seeing all this, and then not expecting the Jiki-Jiki to follow up in its own way too.

[night crag]

I've suspected for a while that the Jiki Jiki fruit of Kid has some great significance as it relates to Magnetism which is key to navigating the Grand Line. It could be the source of why the Islands of the Grand Line makes compasses go haywire, and if that is the case then it is a power which must have been involed during the Void Century and the Ancient Kingdom and someone in Joyboy's crew could have used it to create the Grand Line.

[late elm]

Im confused as to the reasoning behind the idea of magnetism powering emeth. From the egghead arc it was emphasized that the drums of liberation from the Nika fruit were what allowed emeth to power back on.

[dusky acorn]

But we know for a fact that Emet isn't only controlled by the Nika fruit. It can be mobilized by something else.. a different culprit as well.

This is due to what Vegapunk told us, how Emet once was mobilized even 200 years ago, supposedly without Nika even being in the world at that time.

Zuniesha says he heard the drums of liberation for the first time in 800 years.

And the Gorosei outright say that the fruit hasn't been awakened for centuries UPON centuries. We can assume Joyboy was the last awakened user of the fruit.

Especially since Nika only appears before the world when huge change is about to occur, and no known grandiose changes did happen merely 2 centuries ago.

So whatever the "power source" was that moved Emet a couple centuries ago, it was not Luffy's devil fruit.

However, in this series where the main supernatural is devil fruits, I agree with Jinbe's recent quote here. A devil fruit is still likely involved as the culprit behind giving ancient robots of the past the energy to move.

This is where I get the idea for the Jiki-Jiki fruit.

If there ever ends up being more to these ancient robots like Emet, I would definitely count on Kid moreso than Luffy to have significance with them.

I think Emet was a special case of awakening with the drums due to his connection to Joyboy and the haki stored in him, but this wouldn't speak for others if there were potentially more of them.

In general besides Emet, when did Luffy ever have anything to do with robots anyway? That's definitely been Kid's thing, rather than Luffy and his rubbery themes.

After all, he seemingly tinkered a lot with machinery and made robots as a kid. The 3000 year old lab in Elbaph also looks very similar to his creations, even down to the differently sized eyes.
And even when it came to splitting Kaido and Big Mom apart, he said he would "dissassemble" them, further showing his passion.

I have much more to say, but that's all I'm willing to share for now. I aim to do an even more formal write-up on the Jiki-Jiki and its significance to the void century and how it may be the ancient energy than needs to be harnessed to reawaken the highly advanced world One Piece used to have.

[steady prism]

Hi, given the rules of the channel, do you have any in-story evidence/reasoning to prove it’s going to have a mural and some treasure? Also I believe Oda has also gone on record to say the One Piece is an actual thing, why do you believe it’s the “friends we made along the way”?

[safe nest]

no just like a maybe a writing or a mini story also I didn't know

[fossil mulch]

what if devil fruits have a extra features like
brook and Luffy both df users can drink milk and recover teeth and bones
you can tell it's a gag but it's one piece bro
everything has a reason

[stable kindle]

Nah it's 100% just One Piece logic I think 🤣

[gritty kite]

Inunderstand it as a way to not end every arc with 3 months of hospitalization and to avoid the whole crew having missing teeth forever.

[fossil mulch]

it's not true, it's just that they have a doctor in crew so when they are sailing they are getting treated

[steady prism]

Okay, well generally this channel is for long theories with in-story evidence/reasoning. Your thoughts are probably best to be put in places like #manga or #manga-serious . Feel free to repost it there

[steady prism]

Lots of dfs have extra features. Marco can use fire and can transform into a Phoenix. Devon can shapeshift and turn (at least partitially) into a 9-tailed fox. I also assume what you’ve identified is most likely a gag, but it can be df-related too.

What do you think is the deeper reason?

[fossil mulch]

I'm talking in general all af gives some common extra features

[gritty kite]

Those are just mythical zoans which are for animals with special powers

[steady prism]

So you think all dfs users have a common ability? Are you suggesting the “drinking milk to grow bones” is common?

[fossil mulch]

sure I am

[steady prism]

I agree, but fundamentally it’s a “more than one” ability. I could add Brook as someone who’s df gave him the ability to revive as well as ice powers.

[steady prism]

Unless there are more examples from different df users recovering by drinking milk, it’s a difficult argument to have with just one scene imho. I’m using Occam’s Razor on that scene in Thriller Bark and just accepting that it’s a gag until further evidence comes up.

[neat kraken]

I dont think that healing bones with milk has something to do with df powers it can be something comedic

[fossil mulch]

but it can be like they have a skill of absorbing the nutrients directly like calcium from milk
and protein from meat
so eating meat helps Luffy recover

Luffy can eat more because of his rubber nature
+
this skill
allows him to heal fast

it can explain all comedic gags
by adding a feature then it's s good idea right

i mean other's also have this skill but Luffy can exploit it fully

• he is a person who eats a lot
  just a theory thought

[steady prism]

All entirely possible, but I’m waiting for other examples so that your argument can be more compelling. We can reason/justify it all we want, but that isn’t as convincing as actual examples to prove your reasoning/justification.

[fossil mulch]

other instance?
if loki heals considerably?
now that he is eating meat

one more point
sanji as a cook balences taste and nutrients so you can expect luffy's food to be exceptionally nutritious

[steady prism]

Is he healing considerably? I thought he’s still bandaged up. Also are you expanding your idea to not only be milk-related but just any nutritious meal in the OP world?

[fossil mulch]

not yet
he just ate now in previous chapter
if he starts fighting after 2 hours?
like in one piece many chapters might just be around two hours difference
so if he starts fighting like that we can tell it's because he healed by eating food
he is too big to provide some actual medication right

[steady prism]

Since he’s bandaged up, I’m assuming someone gave him some medicine/first-aid. I feel like that’s a reasonable assumption to have for any wounded person in OP. Giants can have their own ointments/salves that help with recovery.

[fossil mulch]

but like i said
he isn't a normal gaint
even the quantity of medicine required for normal gaint is very less than what he would need
but he has almost abundant food to eat
they defeated that thing which was bigger than an average gaint
if he eats that much meat and recovers that means eating food actually helps him recover

[steady prism]

I don’t understand why you’re making Loki seem like this outlier that cannot be hospitalized in any way by giants. There is no text bubble (that I can think of) that suggests Loki is untreatable by giants. You’re making this more complicated than it has to be.

If he was left un-bandaged I would have agreed that maybe the giants are unable to (or didn’t want to) heal Loki, so recovering via food is his only option. But he is bandaged up, same way every wounded person in the history of OP is once they reach a hospital.

[fossil mulch]

you asked for other instance so I gave one
he cannot be hospitalized easily because he is a criminal and they won't accept him in village
it's mentioned in manga
which is ig near equal to untreatable by gaints

[fossil mulch]

geld says it takes roughly 3 months
but notice the fact that there are no gaints in elbaf with devil fruits
except for loki

[steady prism]

I admit you’re right that Loki cannot be properly hospitalized. That panel you shared clearly shows that.

When you talked about “the quantity of medicine required”, I thought you were saying giant medicine cannot help him period. And in this case I agree he can’t be sent to a hospital in the village to get back to 100%. But the first aid they’ve already rendered to Loki makes it difficult to understand how much of his recovery is from healing ointments/salves and how much is because of the food. He’s conscious so I’d speculate he’s at least above 50%. But yeah it’s hard to say, we shall see how active he becomes I guess.

[fossil mulch]

i mean ofcourse even the medicine will be efficient according to my theory
after all it's about faster and direct absorption of nutrients/contents
anyways ya that's it

[fossil mulch]

ok you asked one more instance i remembered now
Blackbeard
check his teeth it always changes numbers
there are many instances of him having different numbers of teeth
I'm sure it's not a drawing mistake

and guess what he has two devil fruits so idk how that helps my theory but ya

[stable kindle]

I mean the nika fruit's whole thing is that the user "fights however he pleases" or something like that so it could almost be like a placebo effect with luffy

[fossil mulch]

what about Blackbeard

[steady prism]

Lol I think the “BB teeth” thing is something entirely different from your original theory. But yea could mean something

[mighty moon]

Oda forgets alot of little things that get fixed in the volumes

[fossil mulch]

i mean 3 people unusually growing teeth is straight up suspicious

[fossil mulch]

dude don't even think of telling Blackbeard teeth is a mistake
oda isn't a guy who makes such mistakes
i agree one piece is a big world to be consistent with everything but forgetting details like number of teeth is out of the question
and it has happened more than 5 times
co incidence or mistakes do not happen like that

[steady prism]

Regarding the BB idea, do you guys mind using #manga-serious to brainstorm what it could mean? It doesn’t have a 1min slowmode there

[pseudo grove]

Wild but sensible theory

SO as We all know there is a sun god nika-this might be a mistranslation on the world government's side and be niku the meat god. luffy's meat addition is also off the charts as we saw in flashbacks he uses various weapons. like sword and spear and recently sword and shield. which he uses to kill and roast the meat. the one piece itself is the world's most slow cooked meat roast. thats why it takes 20 years to be ready. and that much meat will be sufficient to feed the whole world.

[fossil mulch]

theory is good but oda has to get some police security after this goes live as he is going to get some serious hate for this
not telling your theory is bad but we are talking about a ending that should satisfy millions of people

[gritty kite]

Oda has done plenty of that kind of mistakes. He has drawn ulti without a mask in a panel or zoro with the scar on the wrong eye.

[gritty kite]

I don’t know what you are talking about now. You said Oda doesn’t do drawing mistakes like the teeth. I tell you he does plenty. For example Luffys weapons at the start of elbaph changes from panel to panel.

[fossil mulch]

oh your talking about that
that's why I told
mistakes definitely happen
can you show oda drawing scar on wrong eye for more than 5 times?
but look at his teeth

[final bloom]

its probably an Oda error imo

[gritty kite]

If he ever gets asked he is probably going to say that BB loses teeth all the time and grows them back with milk.

[fossil mulch]

dude drawing manga isn't like you wake up and start drawing something
they definitely even check data books
you guys are underestimating oda and his editors

[gritty kite]

If you exclude full teeth and two missing in lower set, most of them vary very little.

[fossil mulch]

lets talk in #manga-serious

[steady prism]

!theories @pseudo grove you’re welcome to share those links/proofs to venkat in #manga-serious

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, power scaling, bounty predictions or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description. Posts here must be in paragraph form, preferably with evidence, not just a one line open question.

[fossil mulch]

|| grandline review just told a wonderful theory
gunko's fear is nika
and gaban said If the kids knew how furious loki is then he would be more stronger (I'm referring to he as the clone of loki)
so what will happen if you over estimate your fear
the clone will be more stronger
and that's exactly what I think will happen
gunko's fear nika will be brought and he will be stronger than current Luffy||

[pseudo grove]

oh ok

[dusky acorn]

But judging from Gaban's dialogue, he came to the conclusion that if the kids actually knew and saw Loki's devastating powers first-hand that he would be stronger.

Gunko has never actually met any Nika-fruit bearer that we know of, which may limit her ability to conjure up a dream so powerful it could even best Luffy.

Also, you don't think it would be redundant to have another Nika manifested? One of the children already did dream of the black Nika we saw earlier.

With the themes of this arc though, I do think it would be fitting for the giants to see a liberating Nika defeat a "Nika destroyer", and realise that this heroism is the true ideal the figure is supposed to represent. They wouldn't have to continue fighting over it once this arc is over. Also no need to spoiler tag, we're all supposed to be caught up to the manga anyway in here.

[pure raven]

I think the head of the thousand sunny might be a piece from Joyboy's original ship. It would make a lot of sense.

[dusky acorn]

Considering that this channel requires that logical sense behind proposed theories to be explained, may you enlighten us as to why you think the figurehead could be a ship-part originally stemming from Joyboy's ship?

[pure raven]

Well, it would be on theme with Nika being the sun God, the symbol of the alliance that Joyboy lead also being a sun.

[fossil mulch]

it's not about refundancy
if many people have same fear then it can be brought in right
like if two kids have same fear it's never mentioned it'll be manifested only oncr

[fossil mulch]

and one more fact that the strength of the manifested being depends on whose fear it is and how strong is it in their minds
so there is no possibility for redundancy at all
like there is not even 1/trillion possibility that 2 people have exactly same opinion on a thing
it may be veryyy close or smth like that but I don't think redundancy is possible

[fluid flame]

but || why does gunko fear nika actually? like ye he stands against WG. , but you know there has to be a deeper psychological reason ||

[fossil mulch]

ig she is some sort of connected with imu
u see her eyes
and she has totally different personalities sometimes
normally she is a cute girl but when she is fighting she is serious af
so that explains the fear

[fluid flame]

but

||we see gorosei mention that people in current time have no clue about it , such as he mentions the initial D . it would be stupid for Imu to let general populous let about it know||

[iron current]

not really the channel to ask this, #manga or #also-manga is more fit for this

[thorn chasm]

Is that so? I'm sorry if that's the case. Since I think it's more of a theory, I'm sorry I'm new.

[iron current]

no u are fine, but this channel is more for posting longer form theories and not really for asking questions

but if you wanna have a good discussion about it you could also go to #manga-serious

[simple bolt]

Killer is a three eyed tribe member-explained by Evelne

A theory dating to over four years ago claims that Killer, the right hand of Kid, is a member of the three-eye tribe like Pudding.

1. Physical details
We have never seen Killer’s forehead, or much of anything on his face. Even when he was a kid, he wore his bangs out very long, masking any possible third eye. Some other people have pointed out that Killer, when he’s bandaged, has bloodstains where the third eye would be

2. Personal details
Killer, unlike his Captain, is the strategist. He’s the one who prefers a plan, rather than his Captain who prefers to charge straight in. But another thing, is that Killer has a fascination for poneglyphs. To any other pirate, they’re impossible to read, but Killer prefers to take his time to research them. Why would he care, if he can’t read them. The answer to both his strategic genius, and his interest in poneglyphs, is due to the voice of all things.

3. The Kid pirates

The Kid pirates can read poneglyphs, but how this is possible is not explained. The theory would explain exactly how the Kid pirates not only have a use for them, but also explains how they’re able to read them. And if this theory is true, as a final point, when the Kid pirates return, so long as Killer is alive, it means that they still have a way to come back from their defeat.

@dusky acorn @open kiln @cobalt igloo
(Please tell me if you would like to, or rather not be pinged in these theories❤️)

[final bloom]

@pure raven ^

[fossil mulch]

i just got an insane thought
smile is a man made fruit

what if there is a natural super tasty fruit that causes someone to smile for like some small time not permanent like smile
maybe laughtale was full of these fruits and before learning the true history of the world someone ate it and loved it and gave it everyone
or the cook used it to make a meal with that causing everyone to only express smile
and when they read the true history they were actually crying but they were forced to laugh
like just look at them laughing so unnaturally

[opaque yew]

Anyone else think Gunko is going to be two people like Cavendish? Because they both have heterochromia

[fringe plover]

Loki Timeline

-113 Years ago, Sister Caramel begins child slavery.

-100 Years Ago, The World-Terrorizing Giant Soldier Pirate Crew lost Dorry and Brogy as a result of their argument. The rest of the Giant crew were captured and rescued by the WG.

-63 Years Ago, Lin Lin is abandoned on Elbaph.

-62 Years and 2 Months Ago, Loki is Born and Lin Lin (Age 5) destroys the village of elbaph and Kills Jorul/Yorule.

-52 Years Ago, Loki uses his natural strength to make The Realm of The Dead his playground, killing many ferocious beasts and taming the rest, which explains his friendship with the animals near his "holding cell" at the base of the tree. He was also an Arsonist and caused lots of trouble.
(Loki is 5/11 years old)

-44 Years Ago, The Rocks Pirates are created
(Loki is 9/19 years old)

-44 to 38 Years Ago, Xebec goes to Elbaph for an unknown reason.
-Loki fights Xebec in this time gap at the age of Colun. Loki has no fruit during this fight.

-38 Years Ago, Xebec Died. Loki Bumped into and Spoke to Xebec before he died obviously.

-22 Years Ago, Buster Call on Ohara takes place.

-20 Years Ago, Gaban starts living in Elbaph.
-20 Years Ago, Saul meets a Vegapunk clone that came to Elbaph and also founds the Walrus School.

-14 Years Ago, Loki kills ~100 Elbaf soldiers, Harald, and stabs Jarul in the face.
(Loki is 24/49 years old)

• And right after, takes to sea for 8 years.

-6 Years Ago, Loki gets captured by Shanks as he went out to sea.
(Loki is 28/57 years old)
<6 Years Ago, Loki gets sentenced to crucifixion.

Loki is 31/63
Giant-Scale years/Normal-Scale years

Putting this here for reference/to add to
||piecewise||

[vast echo]

Toon Tale

Theory: Joy Boy Permanently Transformed Laugh Tale with the Power of the Nika Fruit

1. The Premise

• Luffy’s Gear 5/Nika awakening allows him to bend reality like a cartoon.
• These effects are currently temporary, reverting once the ability ends.
• But what if Joy Boy, a previous user of the Hito Hito no Mi, Model: Nika, had full mastery over the fruit, a level Luffy hasn't yet reached?

->And what if he could make his changes permanent?

2. Laugh Tale as a "Toonified" Island

• Gol D. Roger laughed when he reached the final island. Why? Because everything he found was absurd, joyful, unreal.
• What if the island wasn’t just metaphorically funny, but literally cartoonified?
• Imagine an island where:
  ->The ground bounces like a trampoline.
  ->Buildings are rubbery, dancing in rhythm.
  ->Physics doesn’t behave normally, like Looney Tunes meets mythology.
  ->Reality feels like a joke made flesh.

In other words, Joy Boy left behind a world rewritten by his will, a paradise of freedom, a lasting monument to laughter, liberation, and joy.

3. Why Roger Laughed

• He expected truth and got absurdity. A message perhaps: “The world is ruled by oppression. But I left you the power to laugh at it.”
• The ultimate treasure, the “One Piece”, might not be gold, but a world transformed through laughter.

4. The Implications

• If the Nika fruit’s awakening could eventually:
  -> Permanently alter the world,
  -> Infect and transform others with and through freedom and laughter,
  -> Defy the natural order,
  …then it becomes more than just a superpower, it becomes a metaphysical revolution.

That’s why the World Government fears the fruit more than anything else.

5. Bonus: Bonney and the Toshi Toshi no Mi in Chapter 1118.

• When Bonney used her Toshi Toshi no Mi (トシトシの実, Age-Age Fruit).
• She said:“Show me a future where I’m totally free!”
• She then transformed into a Nika-like version of herself:
• Puffy, rubbery proportions
• Big hair like Luffy’s Gear 5
• The same aura of pure freedom
• Even cartoonish energy and expressions

So maybe a complete awakening of the Nika fruit, and with it, a future where everyone is actually free, is a cartoonish world where everyone enjoys themselves with music, rhythm, and laughter.

6. Roger laughed, and cried, and laughed.

• Because he knew he was too early to witness all of it unfold, and that if he told people about it, no one would've believed him.
  Instead with his newfound fame, he decided to use his lasts moments to start the revolution that would bring back Joyboy, and with him, a free world, where his actual dream could be realized.
• The same dream, that according to Yamato, Luffy also carries, and that whenever people hear it, the first thing they do is get in shock, and then laugh because of the absurdity and the childishness of it.

In any case...

TLDR: LaughTale is actually a Toon Island permanently altered and product of the freedom provided by the power of the Nika fruit.

[thorn vale]

I think this sounds possible for sure

[smoky basin]

i like it but it also sounds terrifying

[thorn vale]

So i think Big Mom is still alive, hence why Zeus is still alive.. would his fruit powers disappear when he dies? Or would Joy Boy have been alive when Roger found Laugh Tale?

[gritty kite]

It seems to depend on the fruit. Boa said the people she petrified would remain so after her death. But for example sugar powers dispel with just a knockout, she doesn’t even need to die.

[thorn vale]

Sugar is a good example!! But Boa idk.. how would she know that for sure?

[gritty kite]

When you eat a fruit you become aware of it’s powers. She probably knows that way. Either that or she found stone statues of the previous user.

[fallen cloud]

guys, are you guys done talking about how gunko is probably a revolution army a.k.a GINNY? bonney mom Clone??? it make sense story wise, because bonney is in elbaf, and she will meet her

[stable kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/ratatouille-gif-21766790

[thorn vale]

I mean... York is probably cloned after Ginny. Idk about Gunko

[gritty kite]

Those characters don’t even look like her. I don’t see a good reason to have a clone of her in the holy knights tbh. And clones seems to be a MADS project not what Saturn was working on.

[simple bolt]

Kid will be saved by Dive, a member of the Kid pirates-Explained by Evelne

Kid’s fate is currently left unknown, with no hard confirmation on his status, however, if he were to be alive, the most likely option how this could happen is due to one specific crewmate: a girl named Dive

1. Her name
   “Dive” is presumed to refer to stage diving, something that happens at concerts where the singer jumps into the crowd, fitting the theme of the Kid pirates. However, an alternate possibility is that of diving into water, obviously implying someone who is a good swimmer. Specifically, someone who can swim in very deep waters, for longer periods of time.

2. Her appearance
   Dive looks like a normal girl, possessing no unusual qualities, aside from one thing-sharp teeth. A trait of Fishmen. Now, granted, not every character with sharp teeth is a fishman, but given the similarities already mentioned, as well as the ones not yet stated, it’s well within reason to take that as a sign of Dive being some mixture of Fishman, or mermaid.

3. Kokoro and Chimney
   The biggest reason to believe in this theory is due to two characters, Kokoro and Chimney. Kokoro, of course, was a mermaid, who saved the Straw Hats from drowning in Enies Lobby. And her granddaughter, Chimney, has many things in common with Dive. The two are EXTREMELY similar, to the point where it’s unlikely it’s a coincidence. For starters, they’re extremely similar looking. They both share light green colored hair, in almost the exact same hairstyle. While Dive’s exact age is unknown, she looks to be the same age as Chimney. Their eye shape is both round, with noticiable eyelashes, and their hyperactive personalities are similar as well.

The comparison is less to Chimney herself, but what Chimney was to Kokoro. She was her granddaughter, meaning, she had mermaid blood in her. So the main point I’m trying to make, is that Dive is related to Chimney and Kokoro. Most likely cousins, as Dive has much larger Mermaid traits than Chimney does. So if this is true, it confirms that Dive is indeed part mermaid, but now only that, her saving the Kid pirates parallels exactly to Kokoro saving the straw hats in Enies Lobby.

4. Dive was the first to see Dorry and Broggy
   Finally, as I just stated, out of all of the Kid pirates, Dive saw the giants first, meaning, she had the most time to react to them out of all of them. This small bit of time is more than enough needed to survive, as well as save the rest of the crew.

So In conclusion, Dive is related to Chimney and Kokoro, she is part mermaid/fishman, and she is the most likely way that the Kid pirates survived.

@dusky acorn @final bloom @open kiln @cobalt igloo @noble summit @sacred dirge

[dusky acorn]

Sorry, but this chat isn't for joke theory one-liners or banter, feel free to do that elsewhere in the other #manga chats @celest elbow @pliant oak

[pure raven]

even if she's not related to them, it serves a strong point as her potentially being fishman/mermaid blood. W theory

[cloud portal]

I have a theory on what Blackbeard's third devil fruit is gonna be
So (assuming rocks had the yami yami no mi) the devil fruits Blackbeard has are from the first and second most powerful from rocks pirates crew (rocks and whitebeard) This makes sense considering the plentiful connections between BB and rocks. But who was the 3rd most powerful on rocks' crew that also happened to die recently? Kaido. So I think while Blackbeard is at wano to get the pluton (because caribou told him), he's gonna steal kaido's devil fruit. This would also make his 3 devils all different types (logia, paramecia and Zoan) so imo this would make the most sense of what Blackbeard's 3rd devil fruit is gonna be. Plus this would draw some interesting parallels in luffy's final fight with him, having a fruit of a former ally (whitebeard's) and having a fruit of a former enemy (kaido's).

[ruby solar]

I’ve read this before. Have you previously shared it or did you steal it?

[cloud portal]

I previously shared it. No one replied so I posted again

What do you think of the theory @ruby solar ?

[ruby solar]

Yeah and I guess we never saw kaido “die”

[cloud portal]

Exactly. I think kaido's story has ended. But not his power

[tough river]

What about big mom

[steady prism]

I understand it can be frustrating to not get traction from a theory you wrote, but please don’t do that again moving forward. You’re more than welcome to share/promote it in other channels like #manga by linking to it. And if it starts a discussion, people can reply to the original post here and continue discussing it.

I’ve deleted the previous one. So this’ll be the only one.

[steady prism]

What do you think about Moria? He is a df user that the WG wanted dead and was imprisoned by BB in Hachinosu. I’ve been warming up to the idea that BB stole Moria’s df because of how important he suddenly became after Marineford.

I agree that BB’s crew has justification to go to Wano right now and get pluton (with Caribou’s help). So it’s possible he finds Kaido’s df respawning there (or just steal Momo’s?)

[tough river]

I think Black Beard is collecting devil fruits with more purpose. He likely wants to become immortal or have a combination of fruits that would allow him to achieve some sort of “higher being”. That’s probably why he wanted to stop law desperately from getting away. Him laughing at the end, could imply somehow he still succeeded or he’s just a plain maniacal guy. Theres still so much mystery in regards to how he even obtained The Gura Gura no Mi. Exciting stuff

As for moriah, yeah i mean his fruit is valuable. To reanimate the dead might be a lucrative fruit for someone who needs a army for a country.

[cloud portal]

Ok

[cloud portal]

I think one of blackbeards crew may take moria’s, idk why but i find it unlikely blackbeard himself would want a devil fruit like that

[steady prism]

Do to the server’s spoiler policy, could you please remove that little Naruto spoiler detail? We aim to keep all manga channels OP-specific. Your point stands just fine without it too

#other-series is the place to talk about other animes/mangas in conjunction to OP

Edit: tyty

[steady prism]

Is there a titanic captain whose df we haven’t seen yet? I guess Laffitte is a potential candidate

[tough river]

Maybe they get a new member. Maybe someone we already met.

[cloud portal]

Ye thats what I think

[steady prism]

Wasn’t there significance in the number of titanic captains? Or was that just hypothesized

[cloud portal]

Thats just hypothesized

[steady prism]

No they’re called the “Ten Titanic Captains”. We’ve seen all 10 of them. It’s possible there’s a new captain we don’t know of, but that would break the name Oda gave them

It’s like having a 6th Gorosei along with the original 5 imo

[cloud portal]

Hm ye ig

But we obviously know Kuzan is finna betray them, so maybe another one will take his place

[steady prism]

Haven’t heard of it. Could you summarize it for us? What were the evidences they used?

If you just wanted to brainstorm and not trying to write a lot, we can go to #manga-serious as well. I can already think of a few ideas

Lol, this channel’s the strictest because we want to see high-effort in the theories written here. We can move this topic to #manga-serious

[stable kindle]

I doubt Kuzan would've joined them unless they had some goals in common that we don't know about

[glossy hornet]

Take his place?

[dusky acorn]

I feel so glad to see another person in here is actively writing Kid theories.

I would just like to add more bits of potential evidence to this theory, some of which were already written in my original post found in the pins.

During Kamazo's introduction, there is a panel where he features grave, vetical line markings that are usually only present on character's faces when it comes to their eyes. (Here is an arbitrary panel of Zoro, as an example.)
So these lines being shown on the middle of Killer's forehead could be seen as potential foreshadowing for the eye that's underneath.

Also, Killer's representative flower is a "snowdrop", which matches if he truly was such a race. 3 petals represent the 3 lines of his mask, and within the core of the flower, there are 3 much smaller, inners petals that would represent his 3 eyes within the mask.

[hexed obsidian]

What is the 3rd df blackbeard have?

[dusky acorn]

@hexed obsidian A recent theory exactly for this topic exists just up above, if you'd like to have a look here:

Theories for this subject tend to gravitate towards a potential third fruit being of the Zoan category, as Blackbeard already has Paramecia and Logia fruits. And in the Gaban glazer's hypothesis, the direction they take for this category is Kaido's mythical dragon fruit

[hollow frigate]

This is more of a question, but in Wano why were the devil fruit users afraid to go in the water? ik that obviously, devil fruits but in Chapter 1055, kozuki sukiyaki (oden's dad) says that the water that flooded the "Old Wano" was not sea water, (the fact that this is not sea water probably explains its good preservation is the actual quote) but even if the devil fruit users ASSUMED it was sea water, how did no one notice it wasn't?

[hardy trench]

all water screws over devil fruit users, they'd have drowned regardless

[hollow frigate]

really? i thought it was just Sea/salt Water wich is why sea prism or whatever works on them

[hardy trench]

nope, they can't even take proper baths without getting drained

[hollow frigate]

theres multiple bath scenes in one piece with devil fruit users though

[steady prism]

!theories Let’s move this discussion to #manga-serious since this is just a question and not a theory

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, power scaling, bounty predictions or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description. Posts here must be in paragraph form, preferably with evidence, not just a one line open question.

[shut heath]

Goddamn phone died while I was typing up a theory, but the something I wanted to posit is the fact that Brook knows and can recognize a God's Knight, something that most folks in the One Piece world know nothing about (with the few that do being individuals with current and former ties to the government).

It's a far off theory, but I do believe Brook has some connection to, or could possibly hail from the Ancient Kingdom. His powers grant him a form of "immortality" and that could have been active prior to his first death. It's never stated what kingdom he came from, and his connection to music (specifically Bink's Sake) is something similar to Joyboy/Nika and the drums of liberation.

Whether or not it can be confirmed, only time will tell, and it's likely that this is a bunk theory, but it is one I'm considering more and more.

Also, Gunko's ability was already identified as the Aro-Aro no Mi, a Paramecia. She likely just has the same regeneration ability that the 5 Elders have that was granted to them by Imu.

[vast echo]

damn speed reading, thanks!

[shut heath]

No worries! I'm a bit of a Devil Fruit nut here so I actively look for any types of identifiers or information on them on a regular basis.
It's also honestly kind of an interesting ability that seems simple, and yet has so many applications. It makes me wonder what other kinds of powers the other God's Knights have.

[vast echo]

I'm kind of a future prediction kind trying to imagine what Oda might do and then having those expectations blown out of the water kind of crazy. But same ngl I'm really looking forward to the other God's Knights.

I genuinely doubt they are references to the stands themselves but it could be more likely to the cultural/mythical powers from japanese folklore they come from.

if you find a pattern, please do tell.

[shut heath]

But I digress. It also begs the question on how the WG manages to have these really strong abilities under their belt, unless they have their own power hunters akin to the Blackbeard Pirates

[steady prism]

@shut heath in these channels, we ask people to avoid mentioning other series so we don’t spoil those who haven’t seen/read it. You’re welcome to discuss those JJBA parallels in #other-series (with spoiler tags and labels per the channel’s rules)

[inner apex]

Zoro is going to fight the Gunko the arrow lady, but because he has no internal compass, it’s going to be a gag fight that ends inconclusively.

[paper hemlock]

And ussop fight the dragon for another gag fight

[dim gate]

I'm sharing my stance on what kind of hold IMU has on the One Piece world. It's going to blow your mind.

https://knyttouryu.blogspot.com/2025/03/a-tangible-censorship-of-world.html

[dim gate]

Tasteless. I'm thinking it's gonna be Robin, especially since Saul made somewhat of a last wish before he keeled over.

[dim gate]

I'm thinking Brook was a musician before he was a pirate. A run in with Celestial Dragons and God's Knights may have encouraged him into a life of piracy.

[vivid horizon]

Gonna go on a limb and say one of Imu's powers is able to give their targets the ability to regenerate

[steady prism]

Hi, sharing links to theories is fine, but we ask people to give a few sentences so people know what they’re clicking. If you could write a few short sentences (3-5 max) introducing the premise of your theory (and maybe some pieces of evidence used), that would be enough.

[steady prism]

Given this channel is for longer theories, could you please elaborate? How does that explain what we’ve seen thus far?

[dim gate]

@steady prism Sure Thing. 800 years is a long time to hold "King of The Hill". Meaning, IMU has the kind of advantage you can't throw a punch at. I believe the rebellious kingdoms are the youngest in the world, because they're yet to hit IMU's proverbial wall. The seasoned kingdoms already understand the futility of facing The New World Gov't. Otherwise, Alabasta would have been leading the charge. The first examples of a country's rebellion in the One Piece story. Ultimately, IMU rules the world by Censoring LIFE & DEATH. Like a true "God". Read my article for my supporting evidence. This will help you understand Oda's path for the story, and what's going on in our very own reality. Stay tuned.
https://knyttouryu.blogspot.com/2025/03/a-tangible-censorship-of-world.html

[steady prism]

Oh you’re welcome to edit your earlier msg with this just so everything is in one place, thanks for writing it out

[dim gate]

How about a trade? Check out my article while I digest your theory, and we'll reconvene in this thread.

[urban mortar]

alright bet but give me like 5 minutes, im doing something right now, I’ll read it though trust

[rapid mauve]

Myb that is luffy’s dream that made everyone laugh

[dim gate]

@urban mortar OK, I've read through. I'll start by saying, I agree with the synopsis for the ending. Pirates uniting the world, and Luffy throwing the biggest party. I'm impressed by what you found, but I've already understood Oda was headed in this direction. I'm just concerned if they'll actually be treasure. Like a billion belli for instance? Just to start lol Nami will not allow for kumbaya to substitute treasure, jewels, gold, and belli.

[urban mortar]

I read through it and I honestly think this is a very good theory and goes crazy deep. I'm impressed. It ties into the themes perfectly and honestly makes sense. Though I did look for a flaw because of course: no theory is perfect, and the only flaw that I found is that the theory is based off of stuff that is absent in the story, therefore, there is no actual evidence, but I wouldnt be surprised if the theory turns out being true honestly.

[hexed obsidian]

yamato can have her own crew they will set sail in the final war and help the luffy

[inland prairie]

Grand fleet

[stable kindle]

I don't think the sake thing is the case because he shared sake with Ace and Sabo making them "brothers", while refusing to do so with those willing to swear loyalty to him. The bond he has with his brothers is important to him and he doesn't want to just share that bond with everybody.

However, I do think it's likely that his dream is to have some kind of worldwide party

[urban mortar]

Luffy did actually share sake with those who swore loyalty to him (the grand fleet), its just that in japan, you can share sake in two ways, one to become a servant-master relationship, and another to become friends, Luffy refused at first because the grand fleet was offering him a servant-master relationship where Luffy was their leader, but he accepted when they changed their minds and simply partied, making a friend relationship and not a servant-master relationship

[steel compass]

They likely send Cipher pol to find out fruits locations. Just like with the gomu

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[west jolt]

I believe that Imu has sapphire scale disease and cannot go outside. Jaygarcia experimented on Ginny to become a vessel for Imu but she contracted sapphire scale disease as well. They discarded Ginny but not before cloning her to create Gunko who is now a vessel for Imu. She is basically like the clone Stussy, who is younger than buckingham stussy. This is also considering that cloning technology is not just known by vegapunk, germa 66 uses clones too for example. Gunko's fashion sense is taken from Ginny (the revolutionary outfit and super short shorts). Her off colored eye and gorosei powers is from becoming Imu's vessel.

[rough storm]

i think imu is really immortal and can have multiple devil fruit. maybe blackbeard and imu are the only people who can have multiple devil fruit

cause its weird how saturn mention "his bloodline" then it was cut when they were talking about blackbeard

[gaunt dagger]

Kinda a crap theory but what if Blackbeard was actually being literal when he said "dreams never end" and this infinite energy source is peoples dreams. Like in the mural those glowy ball things were peoples dreams put in to some machine

[gritty kite]

Marco, his doctor, also mentioned he might be able to have two fruits because of his special body back in mafineford. It’s sounds very similars to some recent comments by Vegapunk about kuma and his buccaneer blood. Now that I think of it, have we ever seen kuma sleep?

[cunning iron]

We have. In his flashback. I really think there's no chance Blackbeard is a Buccaneer. But Whitebeard...it's a different story.

[night crag]

It is more likely that Dragon has a mythical Dragon fruit with wind and storm abilities as Dragons are heavily tied to be able to control the weather. Dragon's character trait is that he likes to be solitary and he is very prideful in nature (Dragons are very prideful creatures in mythology) and believes in the "Winds of Fate", he may think that he has been chosen by fate to lead this revolution against the celestial dragons.

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[fringe plover]

What did you use to convert giant years to human years? Wouldn't Loki have started pirating when he was 38?

And the history of Loki's bounty is unknown as of now but ig we can assume he had the 2.6 when he supposedly met Kidd

[dusky acorn]

Due to Dorry stating that giants have a lifespan 3x that of humans, and Oda acknowledging the same quote in an SBS much later on in vol 76.

Loki killed the late king 14 years ago, and presumably had no other choice but to set out to sea afterwards. He would have been around 49 years old as a giant, but if we divide that by 3, it gives us 16 years old in human years of maturity, wherein Loki set out for sea.
That's where I got the evidence to support my theory for Loki being a more mature, respectable figure in the past for that particular gang leader who is now a reknowned Worst Gen pirate in the present.

[fringe plover]

And if he really was around Loki, wouldn't he have said Haacha looked smaller than an average giant? I guess you could say Loki was considerably smaller when he would've met kidd, but we already know Loki is bigger with a faster growth rate, even with the human-to-giant age change

[dusky acorn]

It's true that Loki is exceedingly huge, and his growth rate was very notable even compared to his sibling Hajrudin. However, is Haccha really smaller than Loki? We know he is bigger than an average giant thanks to Kid, and is also modelled after ancient giants--exactly the blood Loki has. If anything, I thought that Haccha and Loki would be similar in size, which would have helped Kid support his claim in knowing what "bigger than an average giant" actually looks like.

I wouldn't have thought the Numbers' hypothetical inadequate sizes were the reason they were seen as failed experiments in the eyes of MADS either, but rather their lack of advanced intellect

I appreciate you for indulging the theory with such an open-mind though, even if it may be an unorthodox possibility you may not have considered for your favourite character

[fringe plover]

Nah I just like talking about Loki & I just was curious about parts of the theory

If Shamrock took the key with them they probably put it back since we see Zoro & Luffy undo 3 of the 4 locks that needed to be undone to free Loki but good theory ovr

[dusky acorn]

Ah, I believe that specific aspect of my theory is outdated, as it turned out Shamrock likely didn't actually take a key to Loki's cuffs whatsoever. So I just now omitted it entirely, and replaced the message with a summary image I made later on regarding the theory instead. Much appreciated. 🙏

[pure tusk]

Hey Everyone pls checkout my new theory about Uranus = The Emerald City I have been months working on it you will not be disappointed I promise you 😁 https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/s/ZAAdcV01gK

[iron current]

no joke theories pls

!theories

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[pure raven]

"Rogers Ship, which many assumed would be completely obliterated, was spared by a sudden change of weather"

• An exerpt from the narration of Shiki and Roger's battle
  "It is said THAT MAN can be found on a pitch black ship, and if anyone sails near they'll be swallowed by giant whirlpools"
• Laffitte
  "I bet he works with the world government."
• Shiryu responding to Laffitte
  "You wanna go after the man marked by flames?"
• Kidd in response to Killer asking them to get serious

Rehashing the idea of Monkey D Dragon being the Man Marked by Flames.
I think Dragon was a secret member of Roger's Crew.
According to his dealings with Vegapunk on Ohara, he was already a revolutionary by that time
SO we know the Revolutionary Army started over 24 years before.
Roger's final journey was 27 years before.
Dragon rides an all black ship and a storm appeared to save Luffy
AND He used to be a Marine

We never see Dragon on Roger's crew,
But Roger's crew had their battle of God Valley over a decade before to inspire Dragon to switch
so at any point during this time Dragon could have joined in and left.
That gives us a pretty golden window where Roger's crew happened to be taking its final voyage.
He could have been allied with Roger before or during that final adventure on the Grand Line
It'd explain how he got the poneglyph
Protecting the secrets of the One Piece and carrying around a Poneglyph would certainly put you in bad standing with the government
But add in being Ex-Marine and the Devil Fruit we think he has (Legendary Storm God) and Dragon would instantly be labelled as the world's worst criminal

But then what is the marked by flames in reference to?
We never see him without a shirt, but I'm assuming it will either be damage from the World Government
Maybe a punch from Akainu when he stood against the Marines- or maybe he got burned by a Holy Knight protecting the Poneglyph that was given to him?
I'm sure we'll get a nice flashback to explain it.

[pure tusk]

Lol It’s not a joke theory I put so much effort into that ??

[iron current]

no not yours

someone posted something about Law and Kid joining CG to suck off Buggy

[pure tusk]

I gothcu Lmaooooo

[covert glen]

yo you guys know that one chapter i think its 1123 where vegapunk says "There is one other thing that we cannot afford to lose... The cloud plant that produces island clouds!! Those clouds might be the foundation of humanities survival after all." Do you guys think those island clouds will be used to make sky islands for when the one piece world sinks like vegapunk said it would in his broadcast

and then like everyone will live on the islands

[neon hinge]

huh

[paper loom]

That's the most straightforward and logical explanation, I'd even call it obvious-
But that's just a "what if we can't prevent the sinking", just an emergency solution
Clouds wouldn't have any other use (maybe make cloud stairs to reach red line easily lmao)

[obsidian ore]

ngl I am 99% sure saint saturn wasn't alive during the void century or atleast wasn't an elder because if he was alive back then, he likely wouldn't have any reason to disobeye imu's orders and would have destroyed emeth after he attacked the holy lands instead of leaving it on an island to be researched by whoever found it (I can't spell that shyt)

[covert glen]

nah i was just gonna ask but i didnt know what channel to put it in lowkey

because i wasnt sure what the point was in making the clouds but now its obvious

[slender fulcrum]

Saturn and co might be at least around 400yo or younger.

[dreamy hull]

if he was around back then would have probably know about whatever tech was around that time as well

As far as we know whatever immortality we just seen with Gunko may be the same we seen with Elders and be removed by Imu at any time

[urban mortar]

https://youtu.be/nYXDNTXSEkM?si=yFICMUpygRS1D7N2

Chat go check out my theory about Oda’s favorite chapter (Chapter 253) and the message he tried to convey with it. Or at least do me the favor of leaving it a like, I want to share this with as many people as possible.

[frosty gust]

Anyone here have noticed how much similarities brook have with the holy knights he knows their existence he spawned in a pentagram in the time skip and he is basically immortal (cuz he's already dead yo-ho-ho) what if brook was a holy knight in his past life as he said when he joined the crew that he was a leader of a battle convoy in an unknown kingdom (chapter 489)

[fringe plover]

Could be Oda trying to tell us he has history with them I feel like Elbaph has a lot of flashbacks in stock with all these new characters

[idle temple]

Yeah Elbaph could be where a lot of the past gets revealed. I feel like Oda’s been setting up these new characters for a reason and it makes sense if they’re connected to the Void Century or the ancient weapons. All these flashbacks probably aren’t just random Oda’s probably getting ready to drop some big info on us. It’s like he’s slowly piecing together the bigger picture of the world’s history

[fringe plover]

Definitely I'm super excited on what Loki's DF could be and it feels like Gaban knows plenty about Loki since he's lived on the same island as him for a whole 12 years

I'm still curious where the other 2 in the worst gen trio went to

[keen trellis]

im really hoping blackbeard’s final fruit isn’t Loki’s

there’s a few good points ive seen that makes it a possibility tho

[fringe plover]

THEORY: Loki Is The Sun God

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1138: Harley
After Robin and Saul meet, they go to the Owl Library that King Harald tells Saul to build. Here they talk about the Harley Text. There's a little too many similarities I see here with another chapter.

Saul says: "Each warrior of Elbaph believes in... a different version of the Sun God!!!"
As he talks about the different fragmentations of the Harley text. and then when we get to the actual Harley text.

In the First and Third worlds, where Nika (The Sun God) is mentioned, his name is surrounded by quotes. This is seen in both the japanese and official english versions of the Harley Text. Why did Oda do this though? Different Gods of different things are named in the Harley but they aren't in quotes either. I theorize that this is because the whole "Sun God" thing was either self-proclaimed or a nickname OR maybe a placeholder of sorts that the author of each Harley gives Nika.

Now, with Luffy who has the fruit acknowledges that he's at his highest level of freedom or Liberation when using the awakened, real form of Nika. Now we dont know what Elbaph's royal fruit is but this fruit, like the Nika devil fruit Luffy ate, is "Legendary" we dont see a single other DF in the story be given this title except for these two. So maybe Loki & Luffy have 2 different versions of the same Nika fruit. Instead of "Hito Hito no mi: model Nika" it could be "Nika Nika no mi: model destroyer" or "Nika Nika no mi: model liberator". I'm not saying these are the actual names of the 2 fruits, I'm just putting it in this form to help you imagine the theoretical different versions of the Nika fruit itself.
ng Luffy about.

1136: A Country That Awaits The Sun
The title itself gives us a hint about the Harley Text at the start. In line 7 of The Third World in the Harley, it says: "The Sun will Return" and if this title is referring to Elaph, which it probably is, this confirms that we will witness the sun returning (whatever that is) this arc.

Anyways back to my theory, In the western village tavern, we see Road say the Sun God rules the world. And then a fight breaks out with someone saying "The Sun God isn't a ruler!" and another "That's right, he's the God of Liberation!". This brings me to my first point. Notice how usually, [something] God means you're the God of that [something]. But in this case, they use "Sun God" as Nika's alias. Or even his actual name. This is why I think Oda used quotes around "Sun God" and left the quotes out of Forest, Sea, and Earth Gods. Oda wanted us to know that unlike the other three's format the phrase "Sun God" isn't a description but an actual name. He isn't the God of the word that came before it like you'd think with the other Gods (Forest, Sea, Earth) but he's The God of many things. So in the Harley Text, the thing that's inconsistent between versions isn't the name of Nika. The thing that's inconsistent is WHAT exactly he DOES.

Not enough? Well back to the whole Land of the Gods thing I was talking about with Rodo in the V1 of this theory, the different names of miscellaneous-like Gods weren't their names but it was what they did. In Elbaph, "Sun God" is Nika's name but they judge the thing he's a God of by DESCRIPTION like how Road names a bunny "The Ear God" or how the motorcyclist calls what seems to be a pet as "The Needle God" who apparently is the one he feeds.

So main idea is, "Nika" and "Sun God" are both NAMES but "God of Destruction" or "God of Liberation" are both DESCRIPTIONS. this way of naming things seems to be how Elbaph calls things.

1130: The Accursed Prince

Now, gathering all the points I've made. I believe Luffy's fruit gives him the Liberation powers of Nika but Loki's fruit gives HIM the Destructing powers of Nika and THESE POWERS are what Gaban is so afraid off in his conversation with Luffy. And since atp "Nika" and "Sun God" are both the same NAME. Loki here says "I am the Nika that will end the world. And I believe this version of Nika has his own Third World prophecy that will contrast strongly from the Harley Text that we see in Saul's Library. So instead of actually saying "I'm Nika" I think he was speaking prophethetically or something. And that he was refferring to a Nika mentioned in a different version of the Harley.

And if you're worried about the fruit name, fruits are just dreams. And the idea of naming these devil fruits is most likely a modern practice. Meaning there's bound to be an instance where a fruit falls outside of these naming systems. Loki being the possesor of this fruit is most likely why he has a special bounty.

Also. The fact that Loki was recruited as a HK only AFTER the reveal of Luffy's DF, since he's had this fruit for about 14 years, is probably because the WG doesnt have anything to combat Luffy's Nika fruit. Which would ALSO explain Gunko saying the place the giants choose for the final war is very important. Which would ALSO explain why Gunko tried so hard to get Loki to give up and join them. This all points toward Loki having a fruit which could either directly counter OR directly compliment Luffy's devil fruit: The Devil Fruit of The Destructive Power of Nika.

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[crystal wyvern]

Ima read this but isn't loki just loki from norse mythology

[fringe plover]

Have you made it to chapter 1130

[crystal wyvern]

Yeah but I skip reading sometimes..😭
Like isn't loki just an inspiration

[graceful helm]

now this is interesting, never considered the idea there might be more than one nikka fruit

this is hilarious, i could def see oda going with this theory, but idk if i can see sanji doing something like this, kinda goes against his whole defending women thing if he violates their bodily autonomy by modifying their bodies without consent.

Could def see cesar or judge doing something like this though

[fringe plover]

I added a chunk

And now I feel like Loki and Luffy click so well together and have so many parallels because Loki was telling the truth. This entire arc was being built up as the rest of Elbaph being wrong abount Loki's actions and intentions. Loki breakling past all of our expectations. This can't be achieved UNLESS when Loki says "I am the Sun God that will bring an end to this world" he's speaking nothing but the truth

[graceful helm]

honestly this is a really good theory imo, could def see it being true. i mean for one thing we already have multiple instances of 2 fruits being more or less the same, but one just being objectively better than the other. this would really just be the next stage in that. if we can have greater/less fruit pairs why cant we have twin fruits

[fringe plover]

Agreed I cant wait for this next chapter. I anticipate Loki and Luffy's fruits to act as Yin-Yangs of eachother

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[static rampart]

So something like Sun God of liberation Luffy and Sun God of destruction Loki?

[icy dagger]

Theory: Blackbeard and the 3 Worlds

Blackbeard is someone who is deeply rooted in research and fate. So much so that he spent decades of his life since he was a child dedicated to following a fate he believed he was destined for.

Every step of the way is towards the central goal that Blackbeard has, which is to conquer the world. And the most obvious steps he’s taken is in the devil fruits he’s collected. The Yami Yami no mi, and the Gura Gura no mi.

But why those in particular? Was it just because they would boost his already impressive strength? Or is there something more to it. What does it ultimately mean for his third and final fruit and could we predict it?

Well, I personally believe that blackbeard chose his fruits based on the Three Worlds. Representative of the 3 different Nikas of those worlds, and each interpretation they embody.

The first world Nika represented liberation, as it freed slaves and answered their calls. The Yami Yami no mi doesn’t seem to connect to it, until you recall one of his signature attacks is called “Liberation”. This could be seen as a stretch, and I do admit this is the weaker of the two, but I also find it fitting given how his fruit actually works. He is able to liberate the DF abilities, or desires from the user and give them to other or himself. I also do want to point out that the ending of the first world caps off with death and darkness.

The second world is a lot easier to support. Second world nika represents destruction, as this is the nika that instigated and worsened the war in the void century. The second fruit blackbeard obtained was the Gura Gura no mi, the most destructive devil fruit in the world.

And finally, the third world, which is a bit more vague than the others, but includes a detail neither world has. Laughter. So it’s safe to say this Nika is characterized by laughter. However, as of right now there isn’t a zoan devil fruit that represents laughter in the one piece world...unless…

[gritty kite]

Isn’t current nika both a figure of destruction and liberation? Look at dressrosa, it was both completely destroyed and liberated. Everywhere Luffy goes both things happen, and he has been prophetized to destroy fishman island. I don’t think the destroyer and the liberator need to be separate entities. Specially in a series where the end goal is discovering the real history of the world. Fruit versions for wrong interpretations of history seem out of place to me.

[sacred junco]

“The Black Sun: Doflamingo as Nika, the Anti-Hero of Liberation”

A theory by a mind that sees through the World Government’s lies.

⸻

Introduction: The World Needs a Devil Before It Can Recognize a God

In One Piece, the legend of Nika, the Sun God, represents joy, freedom, and the ultimate liberation of the oppressed. Most believe this role is fulfilled by Monkey D. Luffy, the smiling, pure-hearted pirate who defies tyranny with laughter and love. But what if the road to salvation doesn’t begin with light? What if, before the dawn, the world had to be plunged into chaos by a darker kind of liberator?

Enter Donquixote Doflamingo—a man labeled as a villain, puppet master, trafficker of weapons and artificial devil fruits. But beneath the cruelty lies a deeper intent: to burn the world down in order to free it. This is the true nature of Nika in a broken world—where a smile doesn’t come from innocence, but from surviving hell.

⸻

Chapter 1: The False God & the Necessary Devil

The Celestial Dragons—the so-called “gods” of the One Piece world—are symbols of rot, comfort, and decay. Doflamingo was born among them, saw their corruption firsthand, and was cast out when his father tried to renounce divinity.

Rather than bend to the world’s rules, Doflamingo chose to master them. He became the villain the world needed: a man who understood the system so intimately he could manipulate it, profit from it, and ultimately unravel it. His actions—creating chaos, war, and pain—mirror a dark kind of freedom: the truth that peace built on lies is not peace at all.

He calls out the hypocrisy of the World Government. He laughs at their façade. Like a shadow Nika, he doesn’t dance for joy—he dances to puppet the world, until its strings snap.

⸻

Chapter 2: SMILE—The Fruit of Manufactured Joy

Doflamingo’s SMILE fruits are artificial Zoan-type devil fruits, created to spread power and influence, and sold to warlords like Kaido. But beneath the surface, they represent something deeper: forced joy, illusionary happiness, and control masked as freedom.

Citizens of Ebisu Town—stripped of their ability to frown—laugh through pain, slaves to a toxic mirage. This isn’t just cruelty—it’s metaphor. It’s what the world does every day: makes people smile through suffering, under the false peace enforced by the World Government.

But what if the SMILEs were never meant to last? What if they were Doflamingo’s cruel way of showing the world what it really was—a farce of freedom?

⸻

Chapter 3: The Key to Heaven Is Grown in Hell

Now, let’s talk prophecy. After the Final War—the destruction of the World Government, the exposure of the Void Century, the fall of the Celestial Dragons—a new world must rise. But to build heaven, the people must understand what hell was.

The SMILE fruits, once tools of oppression, become the seeds of something new. Maybe they evolve. Maybe they mutate. Maybe they awaken—like the Hito Hito no Mi, Model: Nika—and reveal their true nature. Maybe they weren’t just artificial fruits, but a blueprint for humanity to create their own powers, their own future.

Doflamingo’s work, his cruelty, his laughter—it becomes the foundation. The key to heaven was never in Luffy’s smile alone—it was in the one who forced the world to see its reflection in a cracked, mocking mirror.

⸻

Chapter 4: Two Suns—The Real Nika and the Black Sun

There are two Nika figures in One Piece:
• Luffy, the bright Sun God—childlike, free, beloved.
• Doflamingo, the Black Sun—twisted, exiled, feared.

But both are liberators. One tears down with love, the other with fire. In myth, the sun brings life, but it also scorches. Without Doflamingo, the world wouldn’t deserve Luffy. The puppet master had to pull the strings until they snapped. Only then could true freedom emerge.

[shut heath]

I've been thinking about this off and on, ever since we saw Bonney copy Luffy's ability, but it's my belief that, during the final fight against Imu, all the straw hats will be granted their own Nika-like transformations.

Bonney's ability works on living things, which is rare for a paramecia, and she's already shown that she's capable of turning herself into a copy of Nika.

This leads to the thought that she can grant others the same potential "future" where they are "The most free", and in each of the Straw Hat's cases, they are given Nika-like forms that embody their full potential.

Zoro gains the ability to fully manifest the extra heads and arms of his Asura form, as well as being able to split up into 3 bodies capable of coordinating attacks.

Nami gains much more direct control of the weather, with Zeus becoming capable of transforming into almost any kind of storm or weather she desires.

Usopp is able to use his imagination to transform his slingshot ammunition into literally anything he can think of, as well as generate large hammers or tools similar to his "Usopp pound" attacks, and even bringing back the Rubber Band of Doom and making it actually deadly.

Sanji's Diable Jambe gains even more heat, but also a level of resistance and reach he previously did not have, thanks to Nika's stretchiness.

Chopper is able to not only precisely and surgically weaken the enemy, but he can also cartoonishly patch his friends up with things like large bandages and other toony first aid.

Robin gains not only a deviously carefree attitude, but her Devil Child form gains angelic traits too, mimicking the classical depictions of Satan as an angel prior to his fall.

Franky gains the ability to expand and generate any sort of weapon from his body that he wants (a la The Mask style), and the Franky Shogun also gains semi-sentience, similar to Emet, fighting alongside him.

Brook gains the ability to more directly manifest his music as an offensive and defensive tool, and his sword gains longer reach.

And finally, Jimbe is able to not only just use water for his Fish-man Karate, but he also is able to treat the ground like a liquid and bend it as well, similar to S-Shark's use of the Swim-Swim Fruit ability.

These ofc are all just possible theories, but ultimately, I feel that the fact that Bonney can use Nika's abilities and that her powers do work on others means that we may see a full on Multi-Nika clash in the near future.

[fringe plover]

Yeah that

[fringe plover]

I know Luffy liberated dressrosa but the destruction of it was caused by both him and Doffy. And it just doesnt seem reasonable for Gaban to be so weary of him for 20 years and the fact that it took someone as strong as Shanks to stop a 19 year-old Loki. This just makes the idea that Loki was telling the truth when he called himself the "Sun God that will bring the world to ruin".

[harsh briar]

"a 19 year-old Loki"?

[fringe plover]

And the argument that Loki has a fruit that is at almost equal level of the Nika fruit is also supported by Shamrock only wanting to recruit Loki AFTER the events at egghead even though Loki's had the fruit for more than a decade..

[fringe plover]

Giants' lifespans are 3 times as much as humans and it's reasonable to give their ages in this upscaled version than a human year since they're a whole different race. At the time Loki fought Shanks he was 57 human years old but if we divide that by 3, its 19.

[harsh briar]

Is that on some SBS?

[fringe plover]

Kind of. Dorry on Little Garden reveals this to us. So does Oda on the SBS

[harsh briar]

I see!

[fringe plover]

• I use giant's upscaled ages instead of how they would be if they were humans because in the panels below, Loki and Colun are about the same age when they ask to be on Xebec's and on Shank's crew. Xebec and Shanks both identify them as little brats or just children

[harsh briar]

But going by the definition of lifespan, I don't think it's exactly correct to say he was 19 years old

[steady prism]

The idea of Loki having a df that has a relationship to Luffy’s df would be great and validate the idea that the Sun God is just a title and not a description. I have some questions though:

1. Your contrast of Luffy’s supposed liberating powers versus Loki’s destructive powers confuses me. What’s so liberating about Luffy’s powers? For himself it is freeing to fight in G5, but it’s not like he has an ability that says “liberation”. I don’t think you needed this because at the end of the day, what matters the most is who is wielding that power and how they decide to use it. Regardless, I can see how Loki’s df might be an inversion of Luffy’s df, something restrictive.

2. If this alternate-sun-god-df was originally Harald’s before it was Loki’s, why don’t we hear much about it? Harald is known as a warring leader that later on became a peaceful ruler. But all the tales we know about him never really talked about his sun god df powers. To be fair, this might be Oda hiding the truth but it’s just something I really don’t understand if someone is the owner of a legendary df.

3. It seemed to me that the HK’s wanted either Harald or Loki on their side so they can have an army of Elbaf giants for the final war. Like you said, maybe they wanted to persuade Loki because of his legendary df, or maybe because he’s the rightful ruler of Elbaf and the WG are more than happy to help a ruler maintain their ownership of their kingdom as long as they do the WG’s bidding. I don’t know, I’m just offering another potential perspective on why they wanted to hire Loki.

[harsh briar]

I see, I get your point

[fringe plover]

He's the 19 year old equivelent to a human being and the canon story treats them as if they are but I see. I'll provide both Giant-Scale and Human-Scale years from now on

[harsh briar]

It's just that I'm considering the time, it's pretty significant if you are a giant, but it's interesting how they are still called "kids" by the humans, even though they might be older

Because that's how we see "lifespans", we might say our lifespan is 5x that of a cat, but we don't multiply their age by 5, do we?

[steel compass]

Loki is about 21 in giant years

[harsh briar]

Anyway, it doesn't really matter
I didn't even remember Loki's age being mentioned, so I just wanted to know that, thanks

[steel compass]

From the Loki flashback that seems to be the same bar that shanks was in with collon.
Maybe Mato knows Rocks personally

[fringe plover]

Yeah I see your point, nobody calls a dog 40 just because he's 40 in dog years

Also I posted a timeline of Loki's aging here #manga-theories message

[harsh briar]

Will check it out

[steel compass]

How in the world would yiu have a timeline of him aging

[fringe plover]

Like this

[steel compass]

Oh fair enough
That's relatively accurate.

[fringe plover]

1. I mean by Oda's standards, Luffy's power was basically as free as can be and when Luffy awakened, he was completely unbound by all types of restrictions. I guess Nika is described as both liberating and destructive but Luffy's powers basically consist of different ways he can break free of his humanly limits. I imagine Loki would do the same where he just increases his own destruction.

2. I imagine we don't hear about it because of how unaffiliated Elbaph is with the rest of the world. And since almost nobody there had a real bounty until recent. I imagine what Sommers said about Harald messing up is a little foreshadowing that Harald's powers were known by the WG but maybe they wanted to hide them just like they wanted to hide Luffy's powers. I also have a feeling the Giant man with horns is the original wielder of the Legendary Elbaph fruit.

3. And tbh I don't have much idea why they felt that it would be easier to get Loki's help seizing control of Elbaph since everybody on that island despises him. I wonder if the royal line of Elbaph kings have history of conqueror's haki and this attribute was passed down to Loki. This would explain why Gaban couldn't stop him and why Loki could survive in the new world seas as a pirate for so long.

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[pure tusk]

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[dusky acorn]

Eustass Kid's Re-introduction In Elbaph

• Intro:

I pitch that Kid may be reintroduced back into the land of Elbaph very soon, potentially even during the very next chapter.

I believe that the cirumctances of which this will occur is during the announcement the Holy Knights will transmit all across the "important facilities and villages" of Elbaph.

• Precedence As An "Observer"

Eustass Kid actually has a precedence for having spotlight during transponder snail announcements that take place, with any sort of relevance to him geographically, or otherwise.

• First Instance:

Kid can be seen in Sabaody viewing the war of Marineford, as well as Buggy's marvelous spotlight.

• Second Instance:

This is most noteworthy for the purposes of this theory-- Punk Hazard. In chapter 674 titled "The Observers", one of whom that happened to tune in was Eustass Kid, featuring his post-timeskip re-inteoduction.

• Giant Comparisons:

It's also interesting to note that both of these instances had to do with giant transponder snails, which I've already highlighted above.

Sabaody had a giant transponder snail, and Kid had his own giant transponder snail.
Both very similar to the "Pill Bug", that'll be used by the Holy Knights to deliver their speech on Elbaph.

- Giant Comparisons x2:

One more aspect to compare Punk Hazard and Elbaph in is that both instances are related to giant kids, artificial and natural. The very same 674 chapter where Caesar retrieves his giant kids, he delivers his speech where Kid appears.

Now with the Holy Knights believing their own kidnapped giant kids are all but a done deal, they will give a speech as well.

• Other "Observer" Instances:

While not as strong of evidence but still somewhat relevant for showcasing precedence, Kid and his operation were of course also cameo'd numerous times during communications of the Wano arc.

• Exact Context to See Kid On-Panel

I don't believe it has to be some grandiose re-entrance with a character box and huge showcase right away.

However, I moreso believe it'll be something more vague, similar to this preliminary panel of Kid in Kaido's cell. He may be shown akin to this in order to keep readers guessing a bit on the character's status or even identity, before he formally comes back with a huge spotlight.

[covert glen]

I doubt he'll come back next chapter didnt he just get 1 tapped by shanks 😭

[dusky acorn]

• Conclusion

All in all, just a neat theory on a tiny aspect of this arc overall, but I do strongly believe this upcoming transmission can be a key to weave the "Captain" of the Worst Generation back into the story.

Here you go, another one!
@cobalt igloo @desert quest @simple bolt

The haters can stay hating whilst secretly wishing I was a fan of their own favourite character to deliver these fleshed out theories. I'll just keep cooking for the one and only

[simple bolt]

Good parallels, I hadn’t thought of them🔥

[desert quest]

https://tenor.com/view/kidd-kid-kidd-one-piece-eustass-kid-eustass-kidd-gif-26741726

[final bloom]

nice theory Shimon! i very much look forward to seeing him again in Elbaph soon

[gritty kite]

The CP9 had to get the gomu gomu no mi somewhere. So far every non WG likely to be part or an ally of the ancient kingdom has had something of importance, like a phoneglyph or ancient weapon. I think that there is a strong chance elbaph was guarding the gomu gomu. The cp9 was in an infiltration to steal and replace it with a fake. And shanks as an ally of elbaph recovered it. This is much more logical and viable than multiple versions existing.

[pure raven]

Mad THEORY
There were gods. Idk if they were world creating gods, but they were certainly powerful.
These Gods were wielded as Weapons by man using Ancient Technology that allowed them command over these creatures.
The SEA KING SEA GOD POSEIDON
Whose children now roam the world at a fraction of their size (they might be sleeping under the Red Line)
The DRAGON SUN GOD URANUS
Who was slain by the 21 Kingdoms but whose last descendent still somehow thrives.
and LUNARIAN EARTH GOD PLUTON
I imagine this means that the PLUTON SHIP (the counter to the real pluton) must be the thing "sleeping under Wano."

If this is all true. Then the ancient kingdoms might have their ancient arcs and cool technology, but those are likely just misdirects to the real Ancient Weapons.
We've been assuming that it would be a ship all this time because we've been told the ancient weapons were ships, but what do Shirahoshi and Momonosuke have in common?
They can talk to GIANT creatures of enormous size.
What if THE GODS THEMSELVES who can be commanded by those with the correct lineage factor. ARE THE REAL ANCIENT WEAPONS
There were probably other "GODS" as well - but the three relevant to our story are of those three.
And of course the mystry behind "SUN GOD NIKA".

To go further, we also see the Ancient Kingdom always surrounded by clouds. I think this is because it was a SKY KINGDOM, LUNARIA, at the top of Elbaph.
Unfortunately, Lunaria and the Sun God were destroyed
The Adam Tree's cut branches were then used to create the Red Line out of the remains of what once held up the Lunarian Kingdom.
It may have even been used as a way to seal the SEA GOD POSEIDON beneath it.
Imu then set his throne atop the Red Line to attempt to grow a NEW Adam Tree but instead ended up with the Light Tree Eve which CREATES Devil Fruit.

Imu has powers of EARTH GOD PLUTON
THE SEA GOD, Mad at Imu and Pluton, cursed Devil Fruit and waits for his prison to be destroyed.
Loki has the devil fruit SUN GOD URANUS

[iron current]

is this a response to something or is there a theory coming or are you just asking rhetorical questions?

[weak island]

Some of your questions cancel out the possibility of other what ifs existing
eg; if Luffy never ate the DF he wouldn’t have ventured into being a pirate. He would have had different relationship with shanks who inspired him to being a pirate thus Garp will adopt and train him

Luffy would have ended up being a very popular marine and shanks could have had no choice than to acquire the gum gum abilities himself

[steady prism]

!theories @tropic niche please refrain from making randon "what ifs" in this channel. This channel's for longer theories and what you've brought up are just thought exercises (e.g. what if Luffy became a marine). Let's move any further discussion about that to #manga

[lone hedge]

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[steady prism]

I never thought about connecting the dfs to the three worlds. I liked your reasoning for the 1st world more than the 2nd. At first I thought the gura gura would fit the 1st world because of the Land God's anger. But your reasoning for yami-yami was better.

I'm assuming in that last sentence you mean Luffy's Nika df? One could reason that Luffy's Nika df fits all 3 worlds better than BB's other dfs. Does BB's third fruit have to conform to the logia/paramecia/zoan lineup?

[icy dagger]

Mainly I was attempting to connect it to the three nikas of each world and what they represent

My theory essentially tries to showcase that blackbeard is aware of nika and its importance, and actively wants to encompass all 3 interpretations of it

Joyboy himself is attributed to wanting to spread and pass on the ancient weapons, while also potentially being the one who sunk the world, or is at least indirectly responsible for this (this is also the only thing mentioned of nika in the second world, and it’s purely negative)

The third world in this regard is more vague, because it’s unclear if nika in this world marks the end of the world or if he’s directly responsible for it.

In that latter’s case it would encompass 2 different interpretations being laughter and destruction. But I lean towards the former and that luffy is meant to solely represent laughter.

The order the 3 different interpretations of nika are presented in the manga even match the first two nikas, and seeing as only the third mentions laughter, and the last one mentioned of the 3 is laughter, I think it’s a fair assumption personally

[steady prism]

It would be great to see Bonney in a supporting role in the final war and give the SHs the boost they need. However, if she were to give the SHs a Nika-like future, wouldn't that mean they all have G5 gomu-gomu powers (based on what Bonney could do in ch1121)? As in not their full potential like you're describing? I could totally see Ussop using the rubbery environment to his advantage when he's shooting things. Nami may not be able to create the storm she desires, but she could manipulate naturally-ocurring lightning by hand. Something like that

[shut heath]

Well they'd all have luffy's strechiness, I think. I just believe that they'd also manifest Nika's abilities in different ways than Luffy does.

[steady prism]

Yeah and I'm with you in that BB knows about Nika and its importance.

I don't exactly understand what you mean by the "latter case" in the 3rd world. Am I understanding it right that the two options are: 'nika marks the end of the world' and 'nika is directly responsible for the end of the world'?

I just view Luffy's df to cover all 3 interpretations of Nika because to the way he's used his df throughout the story; he can liberate people, he can be destructive in the way he uses it, he can also bring laughter and joy to people around him.

[steady prism]

Yep, also they'd all affect the environment around them and comedic gags too. Some of the examples (like Brook' or Jimbe) makes sense within the context of what G5 can do. But other examples like Zoro and Nami were harder to conceptualize within the bounds of G5. Still, looking forward to seeing Bonney do that to the SHs someday

[icy dagger]

1. Yes those are the two options

2. I don’t necessarily disagree that luffy covers all 3 interpretations in his journey, but I’d ultimately say he’s still laughter because unlike the first world, there isn’t a single mention of liberation in the third world text when describing Nika.

Though I could 100% see what you mean, ultimately this is a matter of which one I personally believe to be the correct side, him ending the world or marking the end. So your point is just as valid.

And yes I am implying luffy’s fruit is most likely BB’s final target

I do also believe that blackbeard deeply looks up to joyboy, as evident by them most likely sharing the same dream, both wanting to be rulers, both believing heavily in fate and relying on it entirely, both being the epitome of piracy, the most iconic pirate and the first ever pirate.

Blackbeard having an unknown lineage could also be directly related to joyboy, as I find it being xebec ALONE isn’t much of a reveal and feels too simple of one.

In a lot of ways, blackbeard and joyboy are very similar

Whereas joyboy and luffy are mainly similar on the surface, and the story has done a LOT to emphasize that they’re not just literally not the same person, but luffy does not represent joyboy, he is his own person with his own desires despite what people attempt to imprint on him

The fact that joyboy relies and believe in fate AND desires to be a ruler ALONE should differentiate the two clearly in your mind

[fossil mulch]

i think that gaint's are first part of world government's plan
now if they successfully deal with gaints (or maybe even now when we are focusing on elbaf)
world government will next target fishman for sure
1 normal fishman = 10 normal humans

• they have ability to breath in water and guess what one piece is all about pirates who sail on water
  very handy
  so if they get fishman in their clutches then it's easy to win
  what can they do to control fishman?
  kidnap mermaids
  they are specifically useless in combat but you can kidnap them and force fishman to work for them like how children are being held hostage in elbaf
  i mean you can't keep whole set of gaints as hostage cos they will resist and it's a pain to take care of them but controlling mermaids is a piece of cake
  next minks might also be a target but since zou is on zunesia it's not easy to capture them
  i mean we don't know how abyss works
  so assuming you need to know the cordinates of the place where you want to go, zunesia keeps moving so it's not possible to capture them
  but if they find zunesia then minks might also face a similar situation but I don't know what they'll take as hostage

[limpid jetty]

Seeing how Oda did not confirm Gaban’s death for 25 years till now, it’s almost 99% possible that Shiki, Xebec, Eneru will return canon in the future war

[pure tusk]

Xebec deaths got confirmed but it was from sengoku

[lone lynx]

The black figure with the crown in the mural is intriguing. I have a theory—it might represent the original "Dark King" (or possibly even Rayleigh himself). That would explain both the dark figure and the crown.

Which leads to a bigger question: Is the "Dark King" Rayleigh truly a good guy? Or could he have been the one slowly poisoning Roger all along?

[pure raven]

I watch RealRealJapan cause it's funny and I like learning things even if I'm not very good at learning new languages

They might have just helped me figure out the TRUTH behind Blackbeard's Devil Fruit
Something I've theorized before, was that SOUND was the means by which the Eternal Flame must have radiated its energy.
We saw it in Egghead and on Wano that when Luffy's heartbeat goes crazy, that's when his Devil Fruit Awakens
And we see the visible sound waves rippling out, sometimes initialized with a Burst of Haki as the environment reacts to the energy radiating outward.

Sound carries vibrations, which carries waves of energy which can travel through physical materials but not through a Vacuum.
Blackbeard's devil fruit has been theorized to be a black hole, which might still bee correct.
BUT I think the reason he likes the Devil Fruit so much is because it allows for his other personalities to drown out the ones not in control.
THe Yomi Yomi no Mi doesn't just work by plunging them into darkness. It also nullifies the vibrations that the energies of Devil Fruit travel through.
According to RealRealJapan -
The Kanji for Sun + BLUE = SUNNY 😄
BUT the Kanji for Sun + Sound = DARKNESS >:D

The real reason Blackbeard's devil fruit is able to nullify other fruits is because it nullifies the SOUND of an enemy Devil Fruit's voice and will.

[pure tusk]

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[pure tusk]

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[final bloom]

also another reference from other series, In sonic, they tend to have "chaos emerald" as a green diamond hence proving the green stuff linked w emerald

[pure tusk]

I like that idea as well egghead was the sega arc with mutiple Gem references

[median rose]

anyone got a theory of how vivi will play a bigger part to the story later on?

[gritty heath]

I dont but her being a descendant of Nefertari Lily basically ensures she will play a major part in the endgame

[cyan scarab]

YOOO

What if Robin awakens her fruit during the battle with Gaban against Summers????

Instead of Demonio Fleur being her awakening, what if her Fruit allows her to grow body parts of other people so They can use them as well?

Imagine Scopper Gaban taking on Summers with 6 arms?!

If this man can cut down a mountain with 2 Axes, I dread to imagine what he could do with 6 👀

Even taking this further, Robin could let Luffy grow extra arms in Gear 5 with his rubber powers.

Luffy was already slinging Kizaru and Saturn like pizzas, he’d be a damn Factory with Robins fruit.

[cyan scarab]

I saw that posted on reddit at least a Year ago, was that you too?

Probably was 😂

Love how you take notes too it’s really appealing, the only thing I would say is the font and outline 🙏

I remember reading that shit in my car though so long ago and it really stuck with me especially the Emeralds turning red through Radiation.

I see you gave up on it being the Treasure of Mariejois idea though?

It was probably the most interesting part of the theory IMO due to its connections with Doflamingo.

It put the pieces in place for me that at some point down the line Blackbeard will return do Impel down and find Doffy. Who will eventually reveal the hidden treasure of Mariejois as the 3rd ancient weapon, allowing BB to have access to all 3 before anyone else.

[remote briar]

i will say whatever i said in your reddit post - i think everyone is pretty much falling for a red herring, thinking that the weapon is Uranus, when it seems very evident to me that it is a flying battleship, namely - Pluton.

[novel scroll]

Johana has a horn, that means she has ancient giant blood on her. She has no parents too.

Hmmm...
I think she is Harald's youngest daughter.

If she is the same age as Colon, 20yo, it's possible since Harald is still alive 20 years ago

[cyan scarab]

I mean a few of the Giants have horns, Kiba even has Tusks

[remote briar]

she could be but there are supposedly other giants with strong ancient giant blood

[pure tusk]

Yea I potsted that first one ☝️

[opal tusk]

From an earlier vc discussion:
How did Brook seemingly recognize Gunko in the latest chapter? From what he said, he recognized her but thinks it could not be her for some reason. I don't bring definitive answers but let's look at some possibilities.

1. Brook has seen Gunko some time after joining the strawhats. She is a fan of his music, maybe Gunko went to a concert or asked for an autograph. However she is a celestial dragon and probably would not mix in a concert crowd. Or she did fake being a regular citizen. Or she only recently became a celestial dragon.

2. Brook has seen Gunko before joining the strawhats. This would mean Brook saw her more than 52 years ago back when he had flesh. There is some rather strong counter evidence, Garling was a young God Knight back in the God Valley and he still aged quite a lot.

Both options seem implausible but I favor option 1 - no specifics of how it happened, just that Brook saw Gunko during the timeskip.
If I got something wrong please point to it.

[opal tusk]

A wilder idea which was said in vc - Within option 1, maybe Brook saw Gunko in those islands with the satan-worshipping people. Unlikely but maybe after Brook "teleported" to that ritual, Gunko (which lived there I guess) tried a ritual her own way and accidentally got the ritual to work. She teleports to a Maryjois ritual circle. They take her in?

I find this one almost impossible

[opal tusk]

Someone mentioned Cindry - there is narrative similarity between Cindry and Gunko like there is between Gunko and Koala. Cindry was zombified and lost almost all her will. When Chopper talked to her about her freedom we saw Cindry get her will back and smile (Gunko)/ we also saw her cry (Koala).
This is similar to Gunko, it seems her true personality is being overridden by some sort of programming or brainwashing. And like Cindry, Gunko smiles when showing her true colors. Brook just called her a zombie woman.
All apply to Koala's story too except Koala cried when revealing how she felt

[smoky basin]

i think Gunko could legit be a misplaced in time (df stuff, frozen, stuck at that age via imu shit idk) character from brook's past that gets attached to him because she thinks of her childhood and when Brook sang/played songs. She doesnt understand it is just him, she just thinks it's similar or doesnt even realize thats why she likes him
could be his daughter, granddaughter...or even just the princess from the kingdom brook used to be a big capitain before going rumbar pirates.

he could be recognizing her from his first life

[golden berry]

I deleted it cuz i wasn't sure if they posted spoilers in here lmaoo. This is def very interesting i totally glazed over the koala parallels.

[golden berry]

Our ideas are kinda 2 side of the same coin. ONe from brook side and the other from gunko/cindry so i def like it. Was thinking maybe cindry heard his music around thriller bark cuz they found brook in the Florian triangle right? Maybe retained the memories somehow.

[pure tusk]

We know where pluton is so I think your definitely wrong there. Now could it not be Uranus maybe but it’s highly unlikely due to Vegapunk calling it an ancient weapon

[rain coral]

When Roger heard a prophecy on the fishman island that a child was about to be born and in 20 years that child would turn the world upside down, he thought it would be his future son Ace. Roger gave Rayleigh, Gaban and even Shanks a mission. He gave the first assignment to Shanks, which, by the way, upset him. Shanks and Buggy wanted to be king of the pirates. But Roger told Shanks that Shanks shouldn't become pirate king because it wasn't his destiny. That's why Shanks in the flashback with Buggy became so sad and refused to sail to Laugh Tale, Buggy didn't know that and resented Shanks. Shanks had to find the gomu gomu fruit to give it to Ace, the child of destiny, along with the straw hat. But he ran into Luffy who ate the fruit and then repeated Roger's words. Shanks realized that Luffy was the child of destiny, destined to change the world. He sailed to Rayleigh and told him about this situation. Next up, Rayleigh, his job was to train the kid with the straw hat. And finally Gaban, who had to hide the poneglyph so no one could become pirate king and give it to the future Joy Boy.

[pure tusk]

Thanks yea I posted about it 10 months ago and I made a revamped version because there was more evidence since we finally got the offical color spread matching the anime

I think it could still be the treasure of Marijoa and Doffy mentioned about it but I’m also thinking that could be IMU and the Abyss system.

[royal spruce]

What do you guys think the weakness to the regeneration is? It’s gotta have a flaw, otherwise why would they bother trying to gain more power?

[fierce thorn]

Well if physically touching them doesn't work, what if you use ryuo an attack that doesn't physically touch the person??

Also my prediction for end of elbaph fights:

Zorro vs Gunko (Brook vs Gunko first but just like thriller bark, zorro comes to help his grandpa) why? Because the call back to TB and also zorro cutting all those arrows would be so satisfying.

Sanji vs Sommers (Scopper will be beaten by sommers since his thorns hurt those who love and scopper is the minister of love.) why? Because Sanji is fire footed perfect for dealing with those vines and he is also a huge lover so would be like the strawhats are now surpassing the old generation (during our current time, can't talk for the prime versions 🤣 )

Usopp vs Killingham. Why? Usopp is scared of everything you'd have a mix of nightmares from weak to strongish, but usopp is more confident atm so can take them down. (Making him one of the saviours of elbaph and their childen hence a proud warrior of the sea) IT would also force Usopp to face his fears (Which is something that was mentioned in the giant lego house when the trio save him and nami stating he could have won if he wasn't a chicken)

If Loki stay peaceful that'd be nice but have a feeling we need a Luffy vs Loki fight so Loki knows his place.

(Keeping Luffy out the fights with the HK would mean we don't get to see Ryuo used on them since he's the only one who knows it at the moment. But we'd get great fights with the HKs being able to escape for a bigger end game fight)

[sick garnet]

Was there a theory of how One Piece and the great wars are an allegory to the real world?
There has been 2 great wars in One Piece with a looming 3rd one just like the real world.
There are super weapons with names like Uranus, Pluton that sound very nuclear to me.

[west jolt]

i think the clue is joy boy's haki rope. You may have to level up your haki even more to affect them. Another idea is water which affects devil fruit users

[agile lava]

brook got a second life from his DF, but he says luffy gave him his second life, and since luffy is nika it could be forshadowing that nika created DFs

actually, all three people in this panel had something like a "new/second life", brook is obvious of course, big mom tried to take jimbe's lifetime away and gunko's immortality coming from imu is basically like a "second life"

[remote briar]

Pluton is the one Ancient Weapon we know for certain is a machine and would require a power source, like the Mother Flame. It's the one AW that we know for certain can be recreated and we know what it is and what it does - The world's most terrible battleship, capable of destroying islands in one shot. Seriously doubt that 2 of the Ancient Weapons would essentially be the same thing.

[pure tusk]

Yea but we know it’s location so it can’t be pluton it’s in wano

Pluton is based on the god of the underworld and Uranus the God of the sky there polar opposites

[remote briar]

Not the underworld per-se - the god of Death. And as i said - it can be recreated so the location doesnt matter

[pure tusk]

Also Uranus didn’t destroy the island in one shot but rather 16 another distinct difference between pluton

[remote briar]

The WG didn't care for acquiring Pluton - Spandam did. The WG wanted to just stop someone from using the plans to make another Pluton. Why do you think the power crazy WG does not care about an ancient weapon?

[pure tusk]

I highly doubt there’s 2 plutons that doesn’t make much sense really when we know there just a missing 3rd ancient weapon

[remote briar]

Yeah, if you fire 16 lazers at the same time it's still one shot. And dont forget that the whole.point of the plans for pluton is to be used to make another pluton if one of the AW falls into the wrong hands. The only reason another Pluton would need to be build is if the original falls into the wrong hands or is destroyed and another one needs to be built to combat the other AW

[pure tusk]

It’s not one shot it’s clearly mutiple shots with one large explosions that’s just too much bending of the logic really. I also don’t think just because there is a possible counter weapon pluton makes this pluton. This theory is based too much on a convoluted possibility rather than Uranus which we know exists. We don’t know if another a 2nd pluton even exists which is my big problem

The only way I think we will see 2 plutons in the story is if pluton gets in the wrong hands and franky has to build one to counter it.

[remote briar]

Look, i've lead this discussion a hundred times already. If you think that Uranus and PLuton are basically the same thing but one fires one giant shot and destroys islands, while the other one fires 16 shots at the same time, from the same source, to destroy an island - that is fine.

Next thing we know Shirahoshi is a submarine that fires lazers out of her ass and destroys islands in one shot 😄

[remote briar]

exactly right. And since this whole plot point has to pay off eventually, that's why Oda planted it, Pluton will definitely fall into the wrong hands and it's pretty clear to me that this has already happened

[pure tusk]

But the problem is we know where pluton is it’s in wano. I do think it will fall into the wrong hands could be the WG or BB maybe even crossguild

[remote briar]

but we don't know tho. a 900 year poneglyph said it's there and can only be removed by removing the walls of Wano but that might not be true. 900 years have passed since then and we don't know what Oden and Roger might have done with it or what other way the WG might have used to extract it. There is even the possibility they already had the plans for Pluton, considering Tom is their prisoner and powers like Kuma's and the memory-memory fruit exist.
no one has physically confirmed, so far, that Pluton is under Wano

[pure tusk]

See It’s not just the stone that Robin read in albasta sukiyaki is the one who confirmed and told us it was here as well so we have 2 sources that confirm like we can’t just ignore the logic of the story just fit a narrative then it’s a different story really

[remote briar]

even Momo, who has red Oden's diary, reacted to Vegapunk saying that an AW was used to destroy Lulusia and the sea leves rose by saying "That means that Pluton is..."

[pure tusk]

I don’t think we really need to argue this further because it’s not going anywhere and agree or disagree until the reveal

[remote briar]

i am really not ignoring it but it's fine - Pluton is under Wano then and the WG simply used the plants to make a new one. Pluton vs Pluton can happen when the Strawhats dig up the original one

[remote briar]

agreed. So far out of the 100s of people i;ve argued with i have managed to convince no one but remember me when it is revealed 😄

[pure tusk]

Lol u good 👍 I will def remember just remember me if we find out it’s Uranus and the emerald city.Also don’t feel too bad about convincing others because some big OP YouTubers like Daks Sake and Paravision think it could be the Anti-Pluton as well

[granite pecan]

I have a theory that Blackbeard will Exchange Garp for Doflamingo in Impel Down.

Doflamingo has some good info with him

[remote briar]

at least i am not alone 😂 We'll have to wait and see what is the truth

[pure tusk]

I’m like 99% sure we learn about Uranus in elbaf we are still missing the location Poneglyph for it. We got Poseidon and Pluton but no Uranus so that will narrow it down even more

[remote briar]

I agree on that. IF i turn out to be right and the WG has pluton, i think Uranus might be related in some way to Elbaf (as we used to think long before we knew the WG has an AW), something to match the pattern we see with the other 2.
One is a machine made solely for destruction and thus named after a god of death - Pluton.
One is a person with the power to control sea kings - not meant for destruction but could be used for that. Named after the god of the sea - Poseidon.
the third, i think should be something again unique and sufficiently different from the other 2, that can be used for destruction but not meant for that.
Thought it might be a "skyfather" related devil fruit, considering Odin and vikings and so on. MIght be Loki's fruit but might be something completely different and it might be the weapon the WG has, i just think in that case Uranus will be too similar to Pluton. Whatever the case, we should find more info on it on Elbaf, cause there are not many places left that might hold that info.

[slender fulcrum]

Celestial Dragon Authority, heir of Lily' heritage and of the Nerfertari family, basically she has all the political power to challenge the Gorosei and Imu.

[slender fulcrum]

His goal is to infiltrate Marijoa and the celestial dragon circle so who knows

[fierce thorn]

Don't forget to, the trust of the people, whereas people may not believe a pirate or a revolutionary, they would more likely believe a princess who is one of the original WG set like you say. And her currently being missing after her fathers death during the reverie where RA attacked, would add more weight to her words when she can clear their name and the pirates (Some of them)

If her ancestor was the one that actually released the poneglyths to the world to tell the true history, then would the will of the nefertari would be to reveal this information?

[royal spruce]

Rocks had to threaten the God’s Knights at God Valley. So the immortality has to have a weakness that was accessible to pirates. I hope it’s not just “use stronger haki” as that feels like a boring solution.

[verbal onyx]

Broooo thats a good theory but oml it would be BAD for the straw hats

[granite pecan]

Straw Hats Usopp is gonna get a huge glow up, so no

[slender fulcrum]

As kaido said..haki is superior to devil's fruit power so yeah... stronger haki seems to be the trump card

[royal spruce]

What if… it was a different type/use of haki? That would be more interesting

[stable kindle]

"Doffy, did we beat Luffy?"
"No, Teach, that was gear 5 Usopp"

[tulip turtle]

THEORY ON THE WILL OF D

It was prophesied in Joyboy's day that a man named Dragon, possessing an insane will, would come to stop the world government, Imu, and the celestial dragons, as revealed in the poneglyphs. To protect Dragon from being killed as a child, Joyboy wrote about the will of D instead of the will of Dragon. By the time Dragon grew up and developed his will, he understood his mission even further upon reading the Poneglyphs. The will of D means that Dragon will have a child named Luffy, who will inherit Joyboy's fruit, and together, Dragon, who is Joyboy's superior in his prime, would defeat the world government and Imu.

[odd kelp]

Imo the D is just a smiley face. That's what makes the most sense for me. I became sure of that theory when I saw Luffy in gear 5. Even the name Joy boy has a link to a smile since you smile when you feel Joy. It somewhat links to the D is god's natural enemy too since people only prays to god when they're afraid and nobody cares about gods when they're happy.

[steady prism]

Is there any in-story evidence that Dragon can read the poneglyphs?

@mellow meadow please keep shorter ideas like that in #manga or #manga-serious

!theories A general reminder to people - this channel's for longer theories with evidence/reasoning. Please keep shorter ideas/brainstorms to #manga or #manga-serious

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, power scaling, bounty predictions or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description. Posts here must be in paragraph form, preferably with evidence, not just a one line open question.

[steady prism]

@queen hull please don't make JJK references or other anime/manga references in these channels. Use #other-series to make those connections

[steady prism]

since this channel's for longer theories, could you please elaborate on your Donflamingo BB prisoner swap? How can Donflamingo help BB's ultimate goal?

[granite pecan]

We know that Donquixote Doflamingo is now imprisoned in Impel Down. However, as a former Sichibukai and user of Conqueror Haki, he might not remain their forever.
Now, as a former Celestial Dragon, Doflamingo possesses knowledge of Mariejois's secrets and the World Government's inner workings, which could be highly beneficial to Blackbeard in his quest for power and potentially the One Piece.
Blackbeard has a history of recruiting powerful individuals to his crew, often those who have unique abilities or knowledge. Doflamingo fits this profile perfectly. His Devil Fruit, the Ito Ito no Mi (String-String Fruit), is exceptionally versatile and powerful, capable of controlling people, creating clones, and even sewing organs.
Blackbeard wouldn't simply release Garp for nothing. He would likely demand something of significant value in return. Doflamingo, with his unique knowledge and underworld connections, could be that valuable asset.

[ripe moon]

I think the new and last never of the straw hats will be Bonney
Because she lost her crew just like Jembei and franky when they were first introduced
And she’s gonna be with the straw hats when they leave with vegapunk when they leave egghead,
And personally I think one piece is coming to an end soon (sadly) and there won’t be enough time to introduce a character, build their character and let the rest of the straw hat crew grow with them and trust them in anyway
So yea I think it’s gonna be Bonney
Even tho she’s like 12

[mellow meadow]

they took down doffy

[verbal onyx]

Yeah but they still had to fight really reallg hard

[sonic hound]

I have a theory, it's a bit complicated but here I go. You know, in the manga we learned that Shanks has a brother. So we may see some sibling rivalry soon.

[tropic niche]

I can see that actually

[steady prism]

Since this channel is for longer theories, could you please elaborate more? What kind of sibling rivalry do you see happening between Shanks and Shamrock?

[sonic hound]

Let me put it this way. In the conversation between Loki and Shamrock, Shamrock was telling in a sarcastic manner. Also, Shamrock said something like Shanks returned to the sacred dragon.This means that there was a conversation between them beforehand, and maybe even a fight. I don't know if this theory is definitive, but it is clear that there will be frequent references to this type of thing in later arcs. Shanks already said that he started to get pieces. This confirms the theory even more (I'm not sure)

[verbal onyx]

I hope it isnt tho it genuinely would be…weird

[keen monolith]

Offering ways to retrieving his former crew/family while also disarming him in the way he did Aokiji is the best way for Blackbeard to make a deal, because I think would DoFlamingo would definitely want to strong arm Cross guild out of the power vacuum left after the yonko fell.

Blackbeard also could use Don as leverage to get his island recognized.
With Garp and Doflamingos secrets the Gov they can forgive doflamingo and have him have a figurehead.

The WG might be more inclined after the world announcement by vegapunk because they have to ensure by approving his men to subdue the weak blues while the navy’s strongest forces concentrate on the grand line

[versed hamlet]

Strong theory: Mosa is Mjosgard.

If I was there in your stead... I would have turned that place and slaughtered the lot of them!! -- Referring to Marie Geoise when Mjosgard got crucified by Garling. Loki feels bad for Mjosgard.

For a Noble Soul.. you're too naive - Referring to how Mjosgard is looking for peace and is a World Noble (CD).

Please.. can you not shout - the CDs and Holy Knights dont know Mjosgard still is alive and is in hiding....

This is why Loki is going to try and fight Shamrock when he returns from Marie Geoise. He will get vengeance for how Shamrock's dad treated Mjosgard/Mosa.

My final point is that Mjosgard is a portmanteau between Mjolnir and Asgard.

When I'm right, I expect to become a mod @frozen birch @modest skiff @dusky acorn @little kelp@slate burrow

[chrome badger]

I mean we dont even know if that was Uranas. It would be a great Oda move for everyone to think its one of the ancient weapons only for it to be revealed to be something else

[fierce thorn]

Is anyone else up for Usopp vs Killingham? With Usopp being forced to face his fears which allows him to move past them and be more confident in himself. Since he's shown time and time if he's has confidence that he can do something or feels he absolutely has to then he gets the job done knees shaking and all.

At the moment he is truly a coward which is the polar opposite of what he wants to be which is brave, and to become brave he has to stop being a coward.

This is Usopps moment to shine against a Gods Knight 😄

[pure tusk]

I mean yea we don’t know 100% if it’s Uranus but we know where the 2 of 3 ancient weapons it’s just process of elimination especially given Vegapunk explicit stated that it was an ancient weapon. It wouldn’t make much sense if it was anything else given the narrative oda had built around this like there’s a very slime chance it’s not Uranus

[dusky acorn]

I was extremely skeptical at first, but it actually turned out to be an interesting theory. It matches with aspects of the transponder snail dialogue, such as:

• The dialogue between Loki and his friend did imply recency towards the trauma. Which fits time-wise with when Mjosgard would have ran into trauma with Garling at the holy land.

As we know, all Loki had to do was randomly say "Are you still traumatized by that experience you were telling me about"? As if it was just discussed in their very last call, when it would have happened. So Loki was just bringing it up for a 2nd time a few days after which is the instance we see as the reader, to make small talk.

• In the very beginning of their conversation, Loka claims his friend is "almost as bored as him", so we should find out why Msojgard has such idle time. Perhaps it's due to having to seclude himself into hiding?

You're not out of the woods yet though meek, this theory still needs to explain a few key details, like:

• How Msojgard survived / feigned his execution, obv.

• Why did Msojgard have people go down to Elbaph and set-up the transponder snail to communicate with and ultimately befriend Loki?

Your theory seems to come with some steep conditions if proven correct lol, it's a neat idea so we'll see.

[fringe plover]

Where would Mjosgard have even gone though he's tied to this

[mighty moon]

He is also dead

[fringe plover]

Yeah, everyone who's narratively said to have been executed has died

There's nothing supporting the likelihood that he survived either since it's never happened before and it'd destroy the credibility of executions that are declared successful by the narrator.

Yasuie was shown in a similar condition, but this doesn't mean he somehow snuck off his ropes and ran away to a peaceful island where he spent the rest of his days, this just wouldn't make sense. Also one of the greatest swordsmen in One Piece conducted Mjosgard's execution. And it's kind of dumb to think someone who's logically stronger than the HKs, Shanks' and Shamrocks' father, and one of the oldest HKs which is at the level of the Gorosei, would fail to execute someone as weak as a normal CD. @versed hamlet

And someone on this level isn't going to be introduced by a failed execution. I almost forgot Garling did it.

[granite surge]

Yea luffy/usopp vs killingham, zoro/sanji vs sommers.

[humble shore]

I have a theory of what the one piece could be, My theory its that it could be something similar to a devil fruit that could grant to the user limitless freedom of doing whatever they want, this thing materialized the same way as a devil fruit by the will of people. The user of it would do wathever he wants almost like a god, control time, avoid laws of physics etc. Luffy likes to be the most free person in this world so it would be the perfect user, its like sun god nika fruit but infinite times better.

that would also be another reason of why roger didnt take the one piece whit him

it would also explain why he laughed when he found the one piece, he was dying and no one in his crew would be a good user of it, so he spend all his life looking for something extremely powerful just to see nobody there would be a good user of it or even take it whit them because of how dangereous it is.

[fringe plover]

Luffy wouldnt need it if he's literally the highest level of freedom there is. This would go against his entire fighting style as well. He uses his body not a sword or smth. This theory makes no sense because it would just grant Luffy what he already has

[gritty kite]

Mjosgard was the one changed by otohime, the one who thanks to her started respecting was was previously considered as inferior races. Thanks to him coming to Mary Geoise with her, Fishmen were included in the reverie. Him trying to reach out to elbaph, another similar nation not included in the reverie actually makes a ton of sense.

[versed hamlet]

Thank you for seriously considering my theory! Yeah the issue is how he survived being executed by Garling but I think that can be waived off by just saying it was a fakeout death and he managed to keep it together until the CDs stopped staring at him and then booked it out of Marie Geoise. In terms of why, I am not sure yet @fringe ploverIt's not like Garling put his full strength into the attack

[fringe plover]

Its a very far stretch to say someone who kills for and has been killing for fun, making sure whoever he kills is dead, would forget how to properly do an execution. And things like this haven't happened before either

[pure tusk]

I think Elbaf threat escalation will likely mirror egghead

[pure tusk]

3 HK isn’t enough to take on a yonko the full group needs to show

[simple bolt]

(Decided it would be better to put here instead of main chat)

[dusky acorn]

@simple bolt Thanks for reaching out, always glad to talk about theories of the series I feel utmost passionate about.

• That's right, I actually mentioned this as an additional final piece of evidence to my original Victoria theory, within this message. ^^

• Both of the "Victoria" characters Oda created share very similar hairstyles and light-coloured hair. It's alnost as if Oda equates every Victoria to following this specific trend, lol. And as we have it, Gunko conviently happens to match the hair pattern as well.

• And you're right, the previous Victoria we knew of in this story did indeed resurrect from the dead. If Oda is already reusing aspects between both these characters with this same name, then that's what can give credence to the one other Victoria we know of who was thought to have died to actually revived in some fashion, potentially even as the "Gunko" who is a holy knight now.

• What's more, Gunko is the holy knight highlighted for resurrecting from the dead with her current powers, and called a "zombie lady" by the Straw Hats, which furthers the Thriller Bark similarity. Meanwhile, a resurrected female zombie "Victoria" played a part as one of the most significant "zombie ladies" of that arc.

[dusky acorn]

--And just look, someone else that had nothing to do with this theory even noticed the similarity to the original Victoria we had in the story and Gunko, all on their own.

• Thriller Bark was the one other part of this series that heavily focused on the "revival" of humans.
• Brook and Gunko are now being highlighted along with each other. Both Brook and a resurrected Victoria debuted in Thriller Bark arc.
• The character I theorize Gunko to be is the strong Victoria who had once beat up even Kid and Killer, back when they were childhood friends. "Gunko" even shares the same hobby of listening to music as them. The "them" in question were just relevant to Elbaph themselves, and may play a role in this arc.

That's why I think there's merit in seeing the similarities between this triangle of characters in Victoria Cindry - Victoria Shiruton - Gunko

The first of which has similarities with the second that can help us predict their status, who may also happen to be one in the same with the third character. That's what I theorize to come true right now.

[simple bolt]

I also thought about another parallel:

What if instead of simply finding a near death Victoria, and saving her, Shamrock came across Victoria's CORPSE. this is more likely, since Kid saw her die. And using some of the magic the GK posses (They can already regenerate nearly any injury, this is well within reason), Shamrock REVIVED her, bringing her back to life instead.

Kid may have SEEN her alive, which would explain three things: one, how Kid would know Gunko is Victoria, two, explains how Kid would know Gunko and Shamrock are together, and three, why Kid holds such a grudge against shanks, whom he believed is shamrock

Furthermore, it parallels TB since Hogback brought Cindry back to life for his own personal gain

ALSO, we know that bringing people back to life doesn't completely heal them. Cindry had stitches all over her.

Who do we know covered in bandages?

[dusky acorn]

Yeah, this fits very well with Gunko having bandages all over her body that she doesn't take off even when eating. She may have this mummified design because she literally was once akin to one, a dead corpse that a holy knight such as Shamrock or someone even higher imbued with their powers. But she may still be covering scars with them, to this day.

If anyone can agree with the theory this far in general, then why not have Gunko not be some rando originally? But was an actual named character that would have relevance to other characters such as Kid?

Also gives some realistic irony to the Straw Hats calling her a "zombie lady" that returns from the dead, if she actually literally was one in the past

[simple bolt]

Right, I really believe in this theory. Everything lines up too well for it to not be even a little bit right.

Unfortunately I skipped most of TB so I don't remember much of Hogback or Cindry, so any further connections I probably won't be able to make😭

[dusky acorn]

I also agree with the train of thought that:

• Kid has NEVER been given a deep resson for specifically wanting Shanks's head, BEFORE losing his arm.

• Kid is not the type to go after an enemy just because he believes he's the "weakest" Yonko. He had no qualms going up the rooftop to rematch Kaido the strongest creature, even if he had tag-teamed with Big Mom.

• Shanks as we know, has no underlying relation to Kid. We know this because we didn't even know he was from the South Blue.

• Characters in-story show precedence for mistaking Shamrock for Shanks, and faulting Shanks for his evil brother's crimes. So far, it was just a tiny incident of hurting the Giant castle guards. But I reckon Shamrock having some past with Kid, relating to Victoria would fit perfectly.

If we add all these bullet points together, I think we have a strong theory on our hands to at least support the Kid and Shamrock situation, if not more.

After all, even Law's so-called alliance against Kaido had someone he had a personal vendetta with along the way to fighting him-- Doffy, who was connected to Kaido. Kid could definitely parallel this with Shamrock-- who was connected to Shanks

Unlike Law however, Kid is less calculating and would be unaware of this true beef he has to unravel. He will discover the truth just as we recently did as the reader-- the fact that an evil twin exists, and is actually the one responsible for wronging him in the past.

[simple bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/синема-gif-13974122678603667400

The unstoppable theory duo strikes again

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[granite surge]

Big mom emerges as surtr

[light jolt]

I think Gunko‘s shadow was stolen by Gecko Moria back then on thriller bark and put onto a zombie - hence brook referring to Gunko as a zombie.

Supporting for this is that there is evidence that Gunkos design and Development dates all the way back to the time period of Thriller Bark!

Opinions?

@dusky acorn Ive read your theory snd its very well put together, what would you say about my message right here above? Do you think it would fit into the scheme?

[steady prism]

!theories @tropic niche please ask questions like that in #manga

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, power scaling, bounty predictions or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description. Posts here must be in paragraph form, preferably with evidence, not just a one line open question.

[misty rain]

Gunkos regeneration is related to being a celestial dragon not being a zombie

Gecko Morias link to the story is more realistically through the Cross Guild. As Perona was originally a part of the group

[pure tusk]

Maybe 🤔 I was thinking probably Loki as that but I could see it

I also think there going to bring Uranus to the island

[old bobcat]

I never thought of this but do you ever think that Aokiji acually is a spy for the marine that go undercover in blackbeard crew

[dusky acorn]

You mean that Brook is currently recognizing Gunko from her past shadow that once existed in Thriller Bark, as if a zombie of that island also enjoyed his music? It's an interesting idea to try and connect Brook and Gunko. That sounds reasonable enough.

The only thing I'm not sure about is that.. it seems Holy Knights are exceedingly rare to find. Even Loki said that in his voyage spanning multiple years, he had yet to meet any Holy Knights from the WG. And he even began his journey from the New World already. It would be a bit unusual if Moria got as far as meeting Gunko and had taken her shadow in the past, much less getting such an upper-hand on her in a battle to do so.

Still an interesting idea that could pan out if we don't think too hard on the technicalities. Glad the effort for my theory was appreciated as well!

[dusky acorn]

I'm not sure we can really help you vouch for this because as you say, it's just a spontaneous thought you had. While this channel requires more thought-out evidence be given to support proposed theories.

However, I will just say that this kind of hypothesis seems fairly debunked when we consider Akainu and Warcury's dialogue about Kuzan. This completely undisclosed conversation between just the Gorosei and Fleet Admiral seems to truly show he has nothing to do with the navy anymore, not even as a spy.

[granite surge]

I think aokiji and akainu fake their scuffle

[steady prism]

As Shimon mentioned, do you have any in-story evidence/reasoning to support that idea?

[granite surge]

Well for 1 punk hazard is extremely evened out despite akainus fruit trumping over aokijis. While on the topic punk hazard is also a wg lab where they did experiments at. So it probably took them 10 days to search the place and then they completely trashed it so no one could come back. I think they’re scars are from overusing their own DFs. Even aokijis leg doesnt really look burnt

[chrome badger]

I think that would be extremely limiting to Kuzan character. I think people put the Kuzan spy theory because they don't see it as in line with Kuzans character rather than a chance to expand it.

[granite surge]

I dont think he’s a spy so to speak i think its moreso him throwing the WG off

[gritty kite]

Isn’t elbaph almost at the end of new world and maringeoise at the start? I think it means he didn’t make it all the way back to redline. Now that we know he admired Rocks the king of the world line makes a lot more sense.

Maybe going back is actually harder due to log pose forcing you to take a very long route

It would explain the long travels we always hear from other pirates, the value of a eternal log pose and a bit of made in abyss feel of the deeper you go the more dangerous it gets and it’s harder to go back

[raw scarab]

I was thinking in addition to representing a dragon claw, that the celestial symbol is also suggesting three gods that unified (by force or conquest), and that one god resisted and was beneath them. Basically a symbol that the three rule at the top. It is why symbolically the sun is imprinted over the symbol, it cancels out both the ruling dieties and the oppressed ones, all are equal in the sun.

[rustic lance]

It’s more likely he is a member of SWORD and is trying to dismantle/ keep tabs on Blackbeard like X Drake was Kaidou

[light jolt]

I dont remember, was it revealed who leads SWORD?
If not he could very well be the leader of it after settling with Akainu that he wont work under his lead after losing the fight

[pure tusk]

It could be anyone we know drake is like one of the leaders but he’s not the commander

[light jolt]

But Drake was in Sword?
Is there any info when Sword was established? Might very well be that it came right after akainu and kuzan fight

[vast echo]

Loki's Devil Fruit: The Illusion-Illusion Fruit.

What if Prince Loki of Elbaf is so deluded and egocentric that he genuinely believes he is the Sun God literally because of his devil fruit?

Why?

Because he possesses a Devil Fruit that allows him to mirror, reflect, or create illusions of himself and others under the sun.
To him...
The Sun’s Light = Proof of his Divinity.

I think Loki has a devil fruit that goes along the lines or is similar to the イリュイリュの実 (Iryu Iryu no Mi)

Allowing him to:

• Create perfect clones of himself via light refraction.
• Manipulate visual and auditory space (voices from multiple places, etc.).
• Perhaps even distort the appearances of other people like a shapeshifting trickster.

Loki’s known data aligns symbolically through goroawase (number puns):

• Name:
  ロキ (Ro-Ki) = 69
• Bounty:
  2.6B which 26 can be read as ニカ (Nika)
• Age :
  63 which can be read as ロミ (Ro-Mi) or ムミ (Mu-Mi) — flexible, mirrors + distortion

What I propose is Iryu:

16 which can be read as イリュ = “illusion”

Put together:

• 69 (Loki) believes he is 26 (Nika)
• Because he has 16 (Iryu), the illusion fruit. (or 16 can even be read as IMU)
• And... also his age, 63, mirrors the above and symbolizes a warped reflection.

But anyways...

Narrative Implications:

• Luffy is the true Sun God, who liberates others.
• Loki is a false Sun God, who reflects only himself, and is not only trapped in that delusion but literally trapped.
• If he has said fruit, through number puns Oda is putting Nika, Imu, both sides, and an incredible power all in the hands of Loki the prince of all giants, which sounds crazy to me...

But still... keeping it going...

• Loki when freed, (let's face it, by Luffy) and by Luffy's side, might be able to be a hard counter to Killingham, with his fruit, by even dispelling the nightmare manifestations by reflecting the suns light in a way it renders them useless, or create clones of himself and others to fight them.

Which would be an awesome way to introduce the fruit.

TLDR: Loki mirrors himself under the sun, makes and sees illusions, and believes he's the god of light — because the Iryu Iryu no Mi (Illusion fruit) lets him fake it.

In any case, thanks for reading 🙏

[opal tusk]

Love this. How would Brook recognizing Gunko fit into this though?

[dusky acorn]

Thanks for appreciating my theory! From my perspective, Brook recognizing Gunko doesn't conflict with my theory at all. If what Brook recognized was something exceedingly important, then surely Brook would have changed his immediate dialogue in some way, right? But whatever Brook noticed about Gunko, it's something not so important to warrant any such change, so far.

Thus, I would say the recognition Brook had simply has to do with Gunko's passion for his music, given that that's the exact adjacent conversation that occurred just after Brook said he recognized something of her.

Given that Gunko is a fan of Soul King's music such as "NEW WORLD", it's possible she was present during his world tour concerts over the time-skip, or even in some sort of fan meet and greet session. That's what I believe Brook is recognizing.

If anything, Gunko getting more and more focus on her music hobby is simply more beneficial for a potential Kid connection-- One of the only other characters in that series that has "enjoying music" as a distinctive hobby, and may appear in this very arc

Unlike Brook's, Apoo's, or Kid's design or devil fruits, Oda has really gone out of his way to give this music passion to Gunko. Neither her design nor fruit would have originally given us a clue on it. And now he's going even further to highlight it. It really makes you think something more relevant is in store about all this, at least

[gilded lotus]

Rocks probably wanted the same and Loki liked his vision which is why he wanted to join his crew

[rough storm]

for some time. i believe that shanks is the man mark by flame.

[dusky acorn]

That's an interesting theory proposition, mind sharing your insight and evidence for this long-standing theory of yours? How and why do you believe Shanks is "Burn Scar"?

[rough storm]

it wasn't confirmed that loki has the illusion fruit. but this is a good read.

[granite surge]

It could be sunbell, the fishman from rogers crew

[steady prism]

@random kayak please keep joke theories in #manga unless you’re willing substantiate it with in-story evidence/reasoning. Check the channel’s description

[opaque wyvern]

Sanji will get a Conqueror's Haki and Announce himself as The King of Love

[iron current]

what makes you think that? can you elaborate?

[fringe plover]

I cant see Harald with an illusion fruit tbh

[fringe plover]

He's foreshadowed not to have Conqueror's Haki

[pure raven]

Something we seen in the series is that evil characters who had zoan devil fruit awakening had black flames wreathed around them instead of the white ones Luffy has.
But Yamato had a white flame just like the Nika fruit - so perhaps it is those whose souls are considered Divine that carry the white flame?
Or maybe the fruit themselves are of those whose souls who bear the flames of the true Sun - born of the Adam Tree who grants the wishes of unborn dreams to create TRUE God Fruits;
While the Light Tree Eve reaches deep into the ocean to steal souls - and forge them into FALSE Devil Fruits.
SO while the Sea God Rages - as it is their duty to return the souls of the living back to the world of the dead - which is beneath the earth
I think the They who will never meet are the Sea God and Earth God. ; and when they will Finally meet
I think it's to restore balance and finish guiding the souls back to the underworld or heaven ; which is not only real but also is accessible and may be the final destination of Luffy's Journey

The truth of the world may be that Heaven was destroyed by Mankind and that only Imu has enslaved the living and the dead to power his weapons which seek to flood the world so that he might complete his collection and attain total power before reshaping the world
In which Nika's final destiny might not be to destroy but to recreate the lost kingdom of heaven (or re-open the path)
But it might require destroying both the Adam Tree and Eve Tree to do so or before souls can freely travel there

[faint yoke]

I will be genuinely flabbergasted if it turns out that anyone on Luffy’s crew turns out to be incompatible with Conqueror’s Haki potential. It is the Crew of the King of the Pirates. Meant to be a living representation of a collective will that won’t falter in the face of any threat because to them, it is not a threat at all, it is merely a challenge to prove that their path is indeed to correct path which will lead to best possible outcome of the predicament of the world as a whole. So to think that any whom were chosen to sail on the vessel carrying the Dawn of the World, would lack the will to press on, is to go against the very notion of the type of freedom Luffy is seeking. This ambition is shared among the crew albeit not all of Crews primary motive, and it all stems from Luffy but each of them has demonstrated possessing a will to persevere, regardless of how much it sucks, no matter what

[iron current]

so you are saying all of Rogers crew had Conquerors as well? because i kinda doubt that

[faint yoke]

It’s possible. Rayleigh did say 1 out of every however millions but this is a world of billions if not trillions of living beings and all have the ability to awaken Haki to some degree according to Rayleigh.

[iron current]

basically everybody has the potential to awaken observation and armament, but not conquerors, as you said only a few individuals have that power in them

[faint yoke]

Who’s to say that 10 of them can’t all be on one ship? Maybe even more than ten…say 20?

[fringe plover]

Roger's crew reflects the haki users on Luffy's

Luffy saying Gaban is how Sanji will turn out to be, Gaban not having CoC as far as we know. Rayleigh being Roger's swordsman, having CoC similar to Zoro, Roger having CoC by default, similar to Luffy. Their crews are pretty similar and this similarity, though unrelated, might be useful to say Loki won't join the crew. But we'll see

[faint yoke]

I don’t think Loki will want to join, and nor will Luffy want to ask him to join.

[fringe plover]

'Kay

[azure kraken]

Crocus may be from Drum Island.
A crocus is a purple flower that is perennial, meaning that it survives through the winter and blooms again in the spring, which means that they survives through well in cold climates like Drum Island. His parents may have named him after a common flower, much like how people name their children Poppy or Lily.
Crocus is also a talented doctor, and Drum Island has long been known for its incredible doctors. It would’ve been the perfect place for Roger to pick up a doctor.

[oblique isle]

I think if Gunko went to a meet up she would she would have made brook her slave than, than waiting to see him again in the new world

[gritty kite]

In one of those times where we see people of the world reacting to news/bounties we see a group of people that have his same flower like hair thing

[azure kraken]

shhh let me be delusional.. he could’ve picked up the hat while on his adventures

[granite surge]

Now i seen someone post this on twitter regarding gear 2 lowering his life n allat, but after gear 5 i feel like theres something deeper than that. the gorosei seem to take on the form of demons or “yokai”. Saturn looks very similar to the ushi oni, And the ushi oni breathe toxic poisons onto people giving them INCURABLE diseases. Do you think luffy might get this disease ? 🤔 it would probably parallel roger getting a random disease. So he may either die from it, or chopper makes his dream comes true 🤫

[iron current]

see the thing is, G2 never took "lifespan" of Luffy, that always has been a misunderstanding

[granite surge]

Yea ik thats why i said i think its something different

[copper plover]

Does everyone basically agree from a narrative perspective the straw hats have to goto mariejois at some point? Even though it's back the way they came on the red line above Fishman island? My theory since gear 5 happened has been that Luffy would get captured, maybe during the weak period after overusing gear 5, the elders/God knights keep him alive, either because Imu wants to gloat, or they want to do a Public execution, or they just want to keep him in a hole forever to keep the Nika fruit from regenerating since they can't control it.
I thought this would happen on egghead Island since the elders have teleportation circles to bring him back on, I was wrong then but the God knights on Elbaph have the same teleportation abilities.
A rescue luffy arc has a lot of potential, the straw hats may have access to fast travel either because they fix up Kuma, or because he dies and one of Nami's tangerines becomes the fruit, and a straw hat gets the ability. This could spark a wild war as the straw hat grand fleet and every ally luffy has made along the way all head to mariejois.
Also, more importantly, the hubris of the elders bringing the avatar of a God of liberation to the place in the world with the most slaves would backfire spectacularly for them.
How does this line up the one piece and blackboard, and the ancient weapons and everything else? I have no idea obviously. Is there gonna be a rescue Garp arc in there somewhere? What if while Luffy is distracted at mariejois blackbeard manages to become the pirate king somehow? Then luffy has to get through him to get the title?

Sorry I rambled way too much there at the end, I just think luffy has to get to mariejois at some point and that's an interesting way to do it.

[rough storm]

yeah that is most likely. i mean elbpah is only one island away from mary geoise. and if the God knights succeeds on taking the giants kid to holy land then next arc will forsure be the holy land arc. and dragon will probably be the main focus.

[copper plover]

Elbaph is 1 Island away from Mary geoise? I thought Mary Geoise was over by shabody archipelago and Fishman island? That's why I think teleportation and Kuma's devil fruit needs to be used.

[hexed obsidian]

Using kuma fruit power for teleporting to marie joes doesn't make sense it contradict whole point of being pirate. They have to travel the sea

[gritty kite]

There is a chekovs gun for long distance traveling. When they arrive to the new world and encounter the whales they see a special whirlwind tunnel and someone (Nami I think) said that ships get inside and appear in remote corners of the world. And it passed right by the start of new world, next to mari Geoise

[dusky acorn]

Yeah I'm not sure. But if we combine:

• The main thing linking Gunko and Brook is Soul King's music, and
• The recognition Brook feels comes from something to do with her physical appearance..

Then a physical space having been shared between the two in regards to musical events of Soul King seems very likely.

I just don't have an answer for why a physically shared space between Gunko and Soul King within the past didn't already lead to Brook being captured.

What I can say though, is that the probable reason Gunko isn't even giving continuity to their past shared experience between them, is possibly out of simple embarrassment. Whatever Brook recalls of her, I belueve would make her feel shy similar to how she was when Sommers first appeared through the abyss.

She doesn't want that, exactly why she cuts right to the chase by drawing a sword at Brook, kicking his mouth shut and ordering him to be enslaved before Brook continues his dialogue, which I believe is about whatever past fangirl experience there may have been.

[true sparrow]

what manga are you reading? the paw paw fruit can definitely teleport, how do you think Kuma teleported the straw hats wall across the globe?

[pure tusk]

It’s not teleportation but moving somone near the speed of light in some cases

[true sparrow]

I thought teleportation is traveling as fast as the speed of light to the point of warping instantly, isnt that teleporting?

[pure tusk]

Nah what van auger is what teleportation actually is your not actually moving when you teleport just changing locations

[true sparrow]

🧠 The Key Difference:
Teleportation skips space entirely.
Light speed races through it.

you right

[copper plover]

I think he meant from a narrative perspective this is an adventure manga, so the straw hats need to do the work of sailing everywhere. I don't think it applies in this case if the straw hats utilize it strategically to save a crew member though.
Kuma's fruit is way too overpowered for it to not be exploited strategically again at some point. That said I forgot about the whirlpool chekhov's gun for fast travel, it's another option.

[hexed obsidian]

Teleportation must be instant it take 3days to travel to the place by kuma paw

[abstract condor]

I know this is a place for theories, but there is one theory that I honestly...hope isn't true.

So there is this rumor/theory going around saying that Buggy will become king of the pirates and obtain the One Piece. And when I look at that theory I think to myself: So what this is saying is Luffy's goal and him saying he's the future pirate king wouldn't even matter. Because theoretically if someone were to read One Piece from start to finish, hearing Luffy saying he'll be the king pirates and wanting him to achieve that goal...only to make it to the last chapters saying, Buggy obtained the One Piece and became Pirate king first...I mean ya know, wouldn't that just be like a giant middle finger to that whole audience?

[azure kraken]

most people who genuinely think Buggy will be the PK also believe that it will be only for a moment, and Luffy will take it from him

[misty rain]

Thematically, it would make sense for Buggy to be mistakenly recognized as king in the end, while Luffy actually found the One Piece. Very piratey ending

[opal tusk]

Not being globally recognized as the Pirate King could give Luffy freedom in the sense the spotlights aren't on him, and Luffy wants to be free. That being said, I can see it going either way

[gritty kite]

teleportation can get you out of a cage unlike Kumas. Kuma has travel time, even if it’s short we saw it during timeskip. Also, kuma can’t for example send you to the other side of redline. That’s why he had to climb redline and then use his fruit from the top again to reach egghead.

[gritty kite]

Kuma isn’t teleportation

[thin needle]

they say elbaph's weaknesses are fire and lightning. intersting big mom had zeus and promethius.... we know luffy is Fire. i think loki is lightning

[dusky acorn]

But we already know that Loki is able to wield lightning powers to act as a threat to one of Elbaph's 2 biggest weaknesses, which he did attempt. His mallet "Ragnir" harnesses lightning from the skies upon impact. This is no longer much of a theory, as it has already been confirmed.

Unless you mean this in regards to Loki's actual devil fruit having some sort of lightning equivalent attack to Luffy's Red Hawk / Red Roc? In which case, further elaboration is heavily encouraged in this channel.
Same would be appreciated about the Big Mom to Elbaph hypothesis you appear to have vaguely suggested, so that we can potentially further the discussion.

[untold tusk]

Oda confirmed that Luffy will become the king of the pirates and that teh series will continue after this

i believe he'll achieve this title before he travels back in time to fight alongside Joyboy

[gritty kite]

I don’t believe he will travel back in time, but if he ever does, he should be the joyboy of legend, not fight alongside him

[mellow meadow]

actually that makes sense

luffy goes back in time THINKING that he will assist joyboy but instead HE IS joyboy and he does everything that joyboy did and eventually dies and changes history and a new person eats the nika-nika no mi and does what he did, getting stronger every time till imu dies

basically inf luffy-like ppl who will try and get rid of imu.

[gritty kite]

I doubt it would be stronger each time, just a closed loop style time travel

[mellow meadow]

but then imu would never die, so llike luffy is (maybe by end of series) stronger than joyboy so then it makes sense

[untold tusk]

until imu dies? But imu is alive in post-time skip era op so that couldn’t happen

[mellow meadow]

no the world changes

[gritty kite]

There are ways to deal with that with time travel loop logic

Imu from the past could be imu from the future who will travel to the past to do something Luffy follows and defeats him in the past both are actually the ones recorded in history. Not that I think it will happen.

[mellow meadow]

No, see

Joyboy = Nika no. 1
Luffy = Nika no. 2
IDK WHO = Nika no.3

Luffy may be stronger than joyboy by end of series, and IDK WHO might bestronger than luffy so eventually imu will die

[granite surge]

Possible setup for big moms return, enel was also mentioned this chapter

[mellow meadow]

wait when??

[granite surge]

Gunko called herself a god and usopp mentions enel

[weary ledge]

yeah and she had both fire and lightning elements with her

and remember luffy said he wants to beat all 4 emperors so it might be it

[neat kraken]

Isn't Joyboy Nika no 2? Joyboy lived 800 years ago but the nika God lived 1600
years ago

[torpid surge]

Isn’t it by wano cause kid was headed east for it because luffy lost the drawing

And wano is far away from the red line

[raw scarab]

I think the big theme with some of the theories is to remember some of the central themes of one piece. Making dreams real. Luffy has a goal, but its only real if you dream it, will it into existence. The Harley text may be somebodies dream. It is a made up future with only pieces of the past, but the people on the planet can will it into existence.

[fast goblet]

Yea Wano, Egghead, and Elbaf are all relatively close to one another

[gritty kite]

I never saw one piece’s dream theme as reality bending dreams into reality, more like aspirational goals you can reach if you persevere.

[fossil mulch]

i think kureha is human x gaint

[dusky acorn]

May you please elaborate on this thought, so it adheres to the bar of effort / evidence this channel requires of theories?

Because even only as a half-giant in theory, one would think her height at a mere 188 cm / 6'2" would almost definitely not be tall enough

[raw scarab]

I was thinking. Devil fruit users and water do not mix, like oil and water. Same thing with seastone, it basically stops devil fruits from working. But it might be because devil fruits, while on the surface are powerful, are really just little fruits of energy and too weak to stop the natural order of the sea. But what if the energy of a devil fruit was purer and much more powerful. This may be how an Lulusia was not only destroyed, but left a permanent crater in the ocean. The ocean simply can't mix with the remaining energy.

[fossil mulch]

i don't think there is gaint x human
the offspring will be a half gaint for sure
but she might have just inherited the life span
like even brook is 90 after dying once who i guess is the oldest human we know after kureha
and she is 50 years older than him and she moves around like she is in her 30s
look at boa Hancock's grandmother
look at this pic during god valley
even if you tell she is 40 years old in this pic then now she won't be more than 80
even stussy for that matter
no women this old has this much of mobility but it will make sense if she has the life expectancy of a gaint that's it
i have 0 concrete evidence for it

[granite surge]

Yea

Nika
Joyboy
Luffy

[late elm]

There are confimed human giant hybrids in kaido and yamato. Im sure there are other examples of giant human hybrids that havent been 100% confirmed. Whitebeard is another example that definietely has a plausible reason to be half human half giant. Theres also bigmom but she is an outlier because both of her parents were normal sized humans so she is probably just a freak of nature/ experimented on before she was abandoned. Pound is also a massive human almost as tall as Kaido but without the signature horns of the ancient giants.

I think if kureha was half giant she would obviously be much much larger than she is. Her height is the same as normal human shes only 6'2". If she was part giant we would probably see the same effects as wotan have where they are massive but not as large as a full giant. heres big pan a wotan half fishman half giant hybrid in comparison to zoro.

[raw scarab]

I don't think Kaido is confirmed hybrid

[late elm]

he told yamato that they ahve the blood of oni which is analogous to ancient giants just in the style of wano.

[raw scarab]

we dont know exactly what Oni is either. It was a term used, but it was never defined.

[late elm]

I wrote about horns here. The similarities are too apparent to not be the same #manga-theories message

female ancient giants get the more rounded horns male ancient giants get the outward curved horns

[raw scarab]

Sure, I am just saying its not confirmed, but I think there is a chance Kaido is related to giants. Or that the ancient giants are related to perhaps a different species, we just cant use the word confirmed.

[late elm]

he may not be a 2nd generation half ancient giant but the effects would be obvious. Id say kaido is probably 1/3rd or 1/4th ancient giant. The size and horns are still present but he isnt the same size he would be if he was a full blown ancient giant. Same goes for kureha if she was a half giant though her size would be apparently larger and not the normal human size that she is.

Kaido is "confimed" to have ancient giant blood. Its not blatantly stated "Im kaido and i have ancient giant blood" but weve been given enough evidence to conclude that it is true.

black maria is actually taller than kaido and she also has the female ancient giant horns but isnt stated directly to be part ancient giant

[fossil mulch]

I'm not arguing this fact but I'm telling she took upon her human parents totally for the race and just the other qualities of a gaint

[late elm]

I don’t think that’s how the traits would work. If her bloodline was diminished to the point of being human sized her age would be as well.

I think there’s other more plausible explanations like the eternal youth surgery or she’s just found a medicine that keeps her alive for longer

We can’t assume that the eternal youth surgery hasn’t been used at all since imu 800 years ago allegedly because the fruit has been in circulation since then as evidenced by law and he somehow found out about the surgery from either doflamingo or he just knows it because he has the fruit. If kureha had the surgery done on her by a user of the op op fruit it probably froze her age and she looks to be around 70s-80s and she is around 140 right now so it may have been the reason the last op op fruit user died around 60 years ago when harp and roger were just getting started. Or you could argue that the user still ages they just can’t die from old age and she’s had it for longer

I think the eternal youth surgery is a more plausible option than being a half giant.

[steady prism]

Yami and Kage - Inverted Extraction Methods

In Thriller Bark, we learn about the concept of shadows. Every living being has a soul and a shadow. This shadow will forever follow its owner's movements from birth to death. When a shadow's separated from the owner, this shadow retains the owner's mannerisms and techniques. This is a remarkable concept that hasn't been revisited for some time post-timeskip. Given the versatility and uniqueness of Geko Moria's Kage Kage df ability to steal shadows, I started to wonder if Blackbeard's Yami Yami df steals df powers in a similar manner.

Similarities in the Surface-Level Mechanics

Gecko Moria's Kage Kage df has the ability to separate and manipulate a person's shadow in many ways, mainly to put a shadow into a corpse, which becomes the zombie's 'soul'. He shines a powerful light on the target to magnify their shadow and make it easier to extract. (ch455)

When Blackbeard stole Whitebeard's df powers, it only occurred after he died. The Blackbeard Pirates covered Whitebeard's body in a thick black cloth. Looking at the Blackbeard member's reactions, this would be the first time he uses this facet of the Yami-Yami's powers. Once Blackbeard emerged out of the sheet, he had Whitebeard's df power. (ch577)

➡️ In Marineford, Blackbeard is doing the inverse of Moria - he covers the body in darkness rather than shining a light before extracting what he wants. This was not performative, it was a prerequisite.

Extraction - Timing is Everything

Let's take a step back and review what we know about the soul. Brook introduced us to the concept of a soul and shadows (ch443 & ch456) as well as the connection between the soul and the df powers. Obviously Brook's soul contains the imprint of his entire life as well because Brook's able to dictate what happened when he left the Land of the Dead. Additionally, in Egghead Vegapunk speculated that the soul has weight and Kuma's powers are the transference of a soul's memories/pain to another soul (ch1072). What's more significant is that Brook's df's power was able to:

1. identify Brook's soul in the Land of the Dead,
2. drag it back to the land of the living, and
3. impart some of its powers to the soul, not just his body (ch643)
   This may be unique to Brook's Yomi Yomi df, but I believe we can use this to extrapolate and assume there's some sort of acknowledgement/recognition that happens b/w the df user's soul and the df power itself. These points altogether reinforces the significance of the soul in the One Piece world and how it is connected to many things: memories, pain, consciousness, and df powers.

In contrast, Jabra and Blueno's discussion in Enies Lobby indicates that eating more than one fruit causes a burden on the body, not the soul (ch385). Even if we assume that strain/impact on the body is true, maybe that's an outwardly reaction and there is still a connection between the df power and the soul.

Here is the crux of my theory: There is no unified belief on the timing of the soul's departure after death. Perhaps in OP, like many irl myths/rumors, establishes a short time window before the soul's finally released. This is exemplified by Blackbeard's haste in harvesting Whitebeard's df powers the instant he was pronounced dead. On the other hand, what is universally known that in the OP world is this: a df reincarnates in a fruit somewhere in the world when its user dies (terms and conditions apply). Combining the two ideas together, I speculate that when the df user dies, it is only when the soul vacates the body and makes its way to the Land of the Dead is when their df power begins wandering the world to reincarnate.

➡️ A living being has a soul and a shadow. The Kage Kage no mi can extract a person's shadow from a live person but demands the person stays alive (ie the soul remains in the body) to continue using the shadow. Conversely, the Yami Yami no mi can extract a recently deceased person's df powers in the short time window where the soul untethers from the body but hasn't fully released yet.

Blackbeard's Strange Body

Quick disclaimer: this section demands a lot of conjecture/guesswork due to the scarcity of evidence
In Marineford, Marco says Blackbeard's body is "odd" (ch577). As a child, we saw in Oden's backstory that Blackbeard has never slept in his life (ch966). One other aspect that's worth mentioning is the Yami-Yami df is not a naturally occurring substance or type of energy compared to other logias; Its existence is unique within the category of logias as it does not have an elemental state to transform into. From this little info we have, I believe that Marco's comments on Blackbeard could be reflecting on one of three things:

• his unique constitution as a child,
• the uniqueness of his logia df's behavior,
• or both
  (Yes, this leaves open the idea of three hearts/souls, but that's its own mystery I don't want to investigate)

Given that Blackbeard's uses 2 dfs, it is worth exploring other body/soul limitation(s) we've seen in the story:

• In regards to the body, we see a limitation when Moria absorbs 1000 shadows and became a super-powered version of himself in Thriller Bark (ch481). Evidentially, it caused him a lot of mental and physical strain - with one attack from Luffy, shadows leaked out of him. That was Moria's body's maximum capacity for shadows.
• In regards to the soul, although we haven't seen proof, we are told implicitly time and time again that a living (or nonliving) thing can only have 1 devil fruit power max. In Enies Lobby, Jabra's superstition made him deathly afraid of being in proximity of another df as a current df user (ch385). Now the way it was phrased by Blueno made it outwardly seem like a limitation of the body, but it's possible it has something to do with the soul as well
  • An argument against it is inanimate df users like Funkfreed (ch400)
  • But you could respond by saying only zoan dfs can be used on nonliving things. These dfs have a will and thus akin to a lesser soul for that object...

From all of this info, the are two possible options that I believe best explains how Blackbeard was able to increase his body's/soul's upper limit on dfs:

• OPTION A: If we take Marco's words literally and assume it’s always been that way, then it's my belief that as a kid, Blackbeard’s body has the capacity to hold additional df powers akin to an object's capacity to hold a df power. The connection between the df's power and the soul is bypassed just like how objects don’t have souls to have df powers.
• OPTION B: In a manner just as similar to Moria's 1000 Shadows technique, Blackbeard's Yami-Yami df increases the body’s capacity to retain the powers of additional dfs that he has successfully extracted. The max number is unknown (often guessed to be 3) and the connection between his soul and the additional df power is suppressed/controlled by the Yami-Yami df’s passive abilities.

➡️ I’m leaning towards Option A. It also helps explain Blackbeard’s inability to sleep as a child since having an object-like body means he doesn't need that type of rest.

Conclusion

You can read the bolded conclusions from each section but the main takeaways are:

• Every living person has a soul and a shadow. The soul of a df user is connected to its df power, which is stored in the body. In both cases, a shadow or df power cannot exist without a soul/will to tether it.
• It is my conjecture that the soul of a dead person stays in the body for a very short time window before it's released, which allows the df power to also remain in the body for a short while before reincarnating.
• Blackbeard conceals a df user's dead body in darkness before extraction the opposite way Moria shines a bright light on a living body before extraction. However, unlike Moria, Blackbeard has a much shorter time window to perform his extraction.
• Blackbeard and Moria have common mechanics - both are able to extract, stockpile, and manipulate df powers and shadows, respectively. But instead of dead bodies, Blackbeard can put the extracted df power in other living people (who haven't consumed a df yet).

Thanks for reading~

[mellow meadow]

then -

Nika god = nika no.1
joyboy = nika no.2
luffy = nika no.3

is joyboy stronger than nika?

[fading sinew]

You can see Luffy being depicted with the number 56 multiple times in the story.
Gomu Gomu no Mi: Go + Mu = 5 and 6
Hito Hito no Mi: Hi + To = 1 and 10
Hana Hana no Mi: Ha + Na = 8 and 7
Yomi Yomi no Mi: Yo + Mi = 4 and 3
The only numbers left are 2 and 9 which can be found in the Nikyu Nikyu no Mi, that Kuma currently has. If you calculate the sum of 56, 110, 87, 43 and 29 you get 325 which can be read as "San Ni Go", which is basically the Japanese name for the Thousand Sunny. This theory has even been addressed directly by Oda in an SBS. Many people think that the revelation of the Gomu Gomu no Mi as the Hito Hito no Mi Model: Nika changes Luffy's number but I think Oda has made a clear statement by depicting Luffy with the *"*56" so many times. But you are free to believe whatever you want...

So, does Kuma suddenly join the Straw Hats, especially in his current state? I don't think so. He's definitely knocking on death's door. My guess is that Vivi, who is basically already a crew member joins the Straw Hats for good and inherits the Nikyu Nikyu no Mi from Kuma somehow. Nefertari D. Lili probably used the Nikyu Nikyu no Mi during the Void Century to disperse the Poneglyphs all over the world, just like Kuma dispersed the Straw Hats all over the world during the Sabaody Archipelago Arc. Maybe that is the "screw up" Imu was refering to recently.

Just like Luffy is destined to fulfil Joyboy's mission, Vivi might be destined to fulfil the mission of her predecessor Lili. Luffy and Vivi inherit Joyboy's and Lili's will and their respective devil fruits. I also think there might be a possiblity that the Nikyu Nikyu no Mi will spawn in one of Nami's tangerine trees after Kuma has died. Of course it would need close proximity to Kuma when he dies, but I don't think it is unlikely due to the fact that Kuma's daughter Bonney is currently traveling with the Straw Hats, yearning to save her father.

[pure tusk]

Check out my theory about how Joyboy is Sora warrior of the sea https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/s/ZQYQgVcVFn

[raw scarab]

Interesting theory. I think ways to expand upon this would be incorporating big-moms devil fruit, potential buckaneers powers, the nature of devil fruits themselves (the way you describe the Shadow mechanics make me think BlackBeards power ironically is itself a shadow of Nika's).

[steady prism]

Appreciate you taking the time to read it! Regarding your comments:

• Yep, agreed BM’s Soru-Soru df has its own host of features/abilities that gives us a much better glimpse on the capabilities of the soul.
  • In fact maybe the way BM extracts a soul can be viewed as analogous to BB’s and Moria’s methods
• Buccaneers…..I’ve struggled with Kuma’s story a lot, but I completely agree it could very well play into the idea that there are different advantages certain humanoids have over others in regard to the body/soul limits.
• I don’t know about BB’s power being the shadow of Nika, maybe it’s the antithesis to Nika? Just a thought

[raw scarab]

yeah, one thing we see is Kuma's egghead arc is not that different then emets story. And emet we got a hint about in wapols cover story (creating his super advanced technology by merging metals and creatures together.) The fact that BB's DF he refers to gravity and blackhole, which in particular is what happens when a sun dies....there is something there, I just haven't put it all together.

[steady prism]

Yeah in Franky’s introduction of Wapometal, he said it can hold ‘memory’ (paraphrased), which ties in very well with Kuma’s df. I didn’t know it was created through the combination of creatures and metal, I might need to reread that cover story. What’s funny is Vegapunk replaced every piece of Kuma’s body and somehow Kuma was still able to use his df powers….which is actually a good argument for the soul’s connection to the df lol.

Going back to your comments on the connection b/w Emeth’s and Kuma’s stories, the question I’d have is whether the resurrection for Kuma was an advantage of being a bucanner or was it an advantage of his df powers mainly affecting the soul? If it’s the former, then we need to find the thing that triggered Kuma to race to Egghead 24hrs before the Egghead Incident because I don’t think it was Luffy’s G5 heartbeat. If it’s the latter, I have to reread but maybe it had to do with Bonney accessing the memories Kuma stored in Egghead.

Yes, the battle of the sun vs darkness will happen again with those two. I think it would be great if every df power has a weakness that’s magnified in a different df. Like you were getting at, something about the concepts of BB’s and Luffy’s dfs are going to conflict.

[lofty ingot]

THE DEVIL’S ECHO: The War Between Dreamers and Gods
I've written a post-Elbaf arc theory — not as a prediction, but as a fully imagined saga.

This project was built from over a dozen personal theories and months of analysis, revisions, and narrative testing.
It draws from themes, character arcs, world lore, and symbolic parallels to build a complete, mythic war between opposing ideologies.

Every section was designed with story structure in mind — refined repeatedly to align with the tone, pacing, and weight of the current manga.

Link to the google doc:
http://bit.ly/436AuyK

[steady prism]

!theories @white bronze @frosty fable not the place for one-liners or joke theories. This channel’s for longer theories

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, power scaling, bounty predictions or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description. Posts here must be in paragraph form, preferably with evidence, not just a one line open question.

[untold tusk]

OKAY BLACKBEARD THOUGHTS
df 1: the ability to eat more devil fruits
df 2: dark-dark fruit
it is at this point blackbeard's newer members at paramount war ask "if this doesn't work, will we disband?" when it is successful, they all cheer. yes, the three skulls and three beard tail things all mean three devil fruits. why r u all waiting for another devil fruit when...
df 3: tremble-tremble fruit
they've all already been done. this makes more sense than the ability to eat more dfs being dark-dark fruit's ability. this theory also works bc dfs r made from peoples dreams. with all those dfs going around, enough people will have wished for a df with the ability to eat another df. thus, this was blackbeard's first df.

[celest elbow]

That’s kinda stupid having a whole devil fruit that makes you be able to eat other devil fruit it’s Boring too, and it doesn’t make sense how he can also give his crew devil fruits since when you kill a devil fruit user their fruit goes to a random fruit

[untold tusk]

A devil fruit which grants the ability to control soap seems pretty stupid and useless too, but they’re both just following the law of people’s dreams. Blackbeard giving his crew other dfs? His crew or himself found them and they gave the fruit to someone who wanted it. If ur trying to find plot holes in my theory then it ain’t rlly working for ya

[raw scarab]

I think if blackbeards original devil fruit was the ability to steal fruits, then he would not have needed to kill his shipmate for his fruit, he would have waited for the guy to nap on the ship, and just rip it out of him. If you think about blackbeards arc, he hadn't had the dark-dark fruit for too long, but he got managed to figure enough out with it to beat Ace.

[wraith drift]

if blackbeards fruit is a devil fruit stealing fruit, then why were so many ppl confused when he got a second DF. so i think blackbeard knows something about the df that is not mentioned in the df encyclopedia

[steady prism]

Tbf in ch650, Jinbe tells us that the BB Pirates have been hunting those with df powers to loot their df abilities. So they weren’t coincidentally finding fruits like Absalom’s.

Regarding your original point, it’s certainly possible that BB ate a fruit when he was young that allowed him to hold more than one df. He must have found it (or “was fed it”) before he joined the WB Pirates. Do you have an idea that explains why this led to a side-effect where BB couldn’t sleep?

(Shameless plug) I’ve had my own thoughts about BB’s powers and realized that if Moria’s df expanded his body’s capacity to hold shadows, why can’t the Yami Yami expand BB’s capacity to hold dfs too? I went over my thoughts on their similarities and my thoughts on BB’s weird body up here: #manga-theories message

[untold tusk]

(I’m the OP) My theory is also backed up by the fact that we can see Blackbeard with three different arrays of missing teeth. If each array is the state of his physical body when he uses a specific df (literally a different devil occupying his body) then that means he already has eaten the three dfs

[wraith drift]

i got a personal theory of mine: suppose u eat 2 logia df's
with the first one, suppose ur body becomes fire and the second one makes ur body into ice this will cause the two df's to mix paths and ur body obviously can't be made ice and fire at the same time, or anything else, in the sam way if u eat two Zoan types ur body will get confused on which one to transform into cuz u can't be two animals at the same time and Paramethia: if u make ur body rubber and the eat another which makes it iron then obviously it'll cause a confusion and u will diemeanwhile since mythical zoans are a mix of zoan and paramethia, that means u've technically eaten both zoan and paramethia and can only use a logia. or else normally max df u can eat is 3 but if u've eaten a mythical zoan then its 2 people may have seen their friends or family eat 2 df's of the same type and then go kaboom, which made a saying that u can't eat 2 df's
so u can have df's of different types..
ik there are many plot holes in this.

[untold tusk]

Well with balckbeard, many people have noticed that sometimes he has three teeth missing, sometimes he has some other amount missing, sometimes he has none missing. in all, there are three states his teeth can be in. if my theory of his dfs being 1) power to eat more dfs 2) dark-dark fruit 3) tremor-tremor fruit THEN WE CAN CONCLUDE THAT if someone has the power of more than one df, whenever they use the power of a df, their body becomes occupied by the devil of that fruit. That’s Blackbeard’s three states and why his teeth have been so inconsistent. does this make sense?

[wraith drift]

ye it makes sense

[late elm]

Heres my take on bb's devil fruit #manga-theories message

His crew can steal specific devil fruits by carrying around a ton of differnet basic fruits with them so when they kill a devil fruit user it will have a much higher chance of spawning at the nearest matching fruit. So if marcos fruit was based on a pinapple and he was killed if the bb crew had a ton of pineapples with them it would have a large chance to spawn in their fruit bag. they have the devil frtui encyclopedias to get an idea of what type of fruit will match which base fruit.

[raw dagger]

I believe Shanks went to speak to the 5 Elders during the Beginning of the series and it wasn’t Shamrock. in the manga the 5 elders says “for you to come all the way here” stating that he wasn’t already at Mariejois and if you know that is where the Heavenly knights are so Shamrock definitely wouldn’t have left. And Shamrock says himself that Shanks returned to the holy land once. I believe Shanks is a villain and he has a larger role to play

[dusky acorn]

However, there is still a high possibility for this to be Shamrock, thus would counter your theory. Allow me to explain.

The panel where a "Shanks" figure talks to the Gorosei is conviniently covering where the scar from Blackbeard would be. In hindsight, this would have been done to hide the identity of Shamrock existing in the first place.
When Shamrock first appears in Elbaph, he has extremely similar panels to the one you have shown in the above scene, which were also conveniently covering the eye that should be scarred.

We already know that Holy Knights don't have to be stationed at Mariejois all the time, and do venture out for things such as Celestial hunting competitions, as we saw Garling and other knights in an arbitrary location such as West Blue's God Valley.

Not only that, but there's the current Elbaph mission of course. This would mean that the Elders are saying Shamrock could have come from such a ways away due to having recently been on some mission unrelated to the holy land, on some arbitrary island of the blue sea.

When Shamrock said that Shanks once returned to the holy land, I took that as implying when he was quite younger.. and made the youthfully energetic decision to ultimately prefer the lower world. But maybe that's just my perspective.

[steady prism]

I like this. Creating a vacuum-like space within a person’s body so the df isn’t connected/online in the body is pretty innovative, I haven’t heard of that before. Like you said it ties well with BB’s Black Vortex because it’s almost like creating a vacuum b/w the target and BB’s hand (which makes them “attract” towards BB).

Few questions:

1. Wasn’t there a time when BB used Black Hole and expelled a bunch of people from his sub-space? Does their madness tie into the severed connection b/w the df and soul?
2. Just to be clear, are you of the opinion that BB placed WB’s powers in a fruit and then ate it thanks to his weird body?

Side note: it’s kinda funny to think that the BBP have tons of random fruits on their ship during the timeskip. But the df encyclopedia is prob the best explanation for it.

[late elm]

1. Are you referring to the black hole technique that BB uses during his fight with Ace? I think this can still connect to the pressure and void idea because the buildings and people who were expelled were crushed to bits and injured severely. I guess you could think of it like they are getting sucked into a void in space and crushed together until they eventually get spit back out broken.

2. Yes, I think under the cover BB had a fruit on hand and sucked the freshly severed soul of the devil fruit from whitebeards body and expelled it into the fruit. He then ate it and thanks to his powers he was able to contain the would be explosion from eating two devil fruits by creating a negative pressure essentially cheating the system.

Kind of an unstoppable force meets immovable object scenario

I am still kind of teetering back and forth on the idea if it is an effect of pressure or an effect of nothingness. Nothingness essentially creates a pressure by removing anything inside it where the something would want to fill in the nothing creating force. Pressure could technically just be a byproduct of nothingness. It also kind of fits with the quake quake fruit where they both are kind of fundamental forces and not physical things.

This theory was also something I wrote like 9 months ago and I usually just have spur of the moment ideas and connections so my reasoning may be a little bit hazy.

[steady prism]

1. Yeah that. Part of me wants their madness to be a byproduct of the nothingness rather than the pressure. I mean it’s basically solitary confinement, but in complete darkness so you lose track of time. I thought it would have had something to do with the soul-df connection suppression but it’s also perfectly reasonable for the void/nothingness to be the cause of their anguish
2. So then is BB able to withstand 2 df powers because of the Yami Yami’s negative pressure or is it because of his weird body?
   Yeah it’s fine lol, didn’t even realize it has been that long. We were probably at the end of Egghead around that time I think.

[late elm]

The comment about his weird body was by marco during the paramount war. This could tie into the reason why he can have two devil fruits. Honestly typing stuff out has made me think about the comment vegapunk had saying buccaneers were special. Blackbeard kind of has the traits of buccaneers same hair as kuma same dark skin same larger body. He is smaller than kuma but whos to say that hes not half buccaneer or something of the sort. Saturn did say to Augur and Devon that Blackbeards bloodine is special.

Judging by clapp and kuma who are both buccaneers, they can withstand an immense amount of pain and injuries. Perhaps vegapunk would say that the special power of the bucanners is the size of their souls. Kuma gave enough love and care and withstood enough pain and suffering for 100 people. No normal person not even a giant like loki would be able to withstand it but buccaneers could.

Its hard to explain without sounding tacky but conceptually a soul is something you fill with emotions. Love, hate, fear, happiness, greed, ect. And if buccaneers have bigger souls than other races they would be able to fill their souls with those emotions much more than any other race could. In kumas case it is love, happiness, and care while in blackbeards case it is hate, greed, and fear. Basically a good soul vs a bad soul.

Maybe BB can house two souls of devil fruits inside him due to the combination of his bucaneer heritage and his devil fruit and he has the ability to directly take the souls of fruits from the users by killing them and 100% keep them in the fruit of his choosing through his dark dark powers instead of relying on luck for it to land in the right fruit that they may carry with them.

Theres obviously some disparity between why he needed the dark dark fruit specifically and his special bloodline but both must play a major part in why he can house two devil fruits.

[rough storm]

I have a Theory that Mihawk is probably connected to Imu and was once a celestial dragon who resides in the holy land. i believe that thats where mihawk first met shanks when shanks went back to holy land to meet his family. and the reason why mihawk became a pirate was probably because he admired young shanks and wanted to be just like him a pirate.

[fierce thorn]

Did Sommers give us a clue into 1 method to beat a Holy Knight? Whilst falling Sommers implies that the fall would kill him, so if a fall from a large height would do the job, does that imply doing enough damage to one in a single attack/flurry of attack would be enough to defeat one for good?

Although Scoppers Haki infused strike seems pretty effective too 😛

[fierce thorn]

Zoro implies that Mihawk isn't fully human, so I do wonder if Mihawk shares racial traits with Imu.

[rough storm]

I have a Theory that Mihawk's a Celestial Dragon Royalty and Shanks is The Man Marked by Flames.

I believe that Dracule Mihawk is secretly connected to Imu and was once a Celestial Dragon. Additionally, I propose that Shanks is the mysterious “Man Marked by Flames.”

Much like Sabo, Mihawk may have developed a deep resentment toward the corruption, arrogance, and oppressive nature of the Celestial Dragons. Over time, he might have come to admire the freedom of pirates and longed to escape the rigid and oppressive confines of nobility. His transformation could have been triggered by a personal connection with Shanks, possibly during a visit Shanks made to the Holy Land to see his family.

During that time, Mihawk and Shanks may have bonded over their shared disdain for the World Nobles. It's possible they became close friends, united by a desire to live freely. When Shanks discovered the truth about the Celestial Dragons, he refused to accept his role among them and decided instead to return to the sea, choosing a life as a pirate, like his captain, Gol D. Roger. This act of defiance likely enraged his father, Garling Figarland, who would have been furious that his son chose to become a pirate someone the Celestial Dragons view as the lowest of the low rather than embrace his role as a "god."

Instead of killing his own son, Garling may have punished Shanks by burning a Slave Marked on his back, as a permanent reminder of his betrayal. This could be the origin of the “man marked by flames” title.

When Shanks left Mary Geoise, Mihawk may have chosen to abandon his own noble status and join Shanks, beginning a new life as a pirate. This could explain why we see Mihawk and Shanks together at Gol D. Roger’s execution—not as strangers, but as allies with a shared past.

There’s also compelling narrative evidence that Shanks is the "Man Marked by Flames." At the end of the Wano arc, Eustass Kid and his crew mentioned they knew the man Marked by Flame. The way they spoke suggested they not only knew who he was, but also had some prior conflict with him enough to believe they would need to confront him in full force. This might also explain why Kid went all-in during his confrontation with Shanks’ fleet. Knowing who the “Man Marked by Flames” really was, Kid likely realized the gravity of the situation and went 100% full power from the start. His aggressive approach wasn’t just reckless it was a desperate attempt to do as much damage as possible before facing Shanks himself. This reinforces the idea that their history with Shanks or at least their knowledge of his true identity—was personal and deeply significant.
There’s also a theory that Law might be working with Shanks, especially considering how he arrived at Marineford in a similar manner to Shanks. That’s probably why, when Kid mentioned the "Man Marked by Flames," Law had a strange or curious expression.
As for the pitch-black ship, perhaps it’s coated with a special material that allows it to travel the 'Sea Dragon Path,' or maybe it's just a rumor that can’t be confirmed.

Finally, from a storytelling perspective, it would be poetic if the pirate who first inspired Luffy, ended up being his final rival in the race for the last Road Poneglyph. Their confrontation would bring Luffy’s journey full circle, transforming Shanks from a childhood hero into the ultimate test of Luffy’s resolve, strength, and growth as a pirate. It would also set the stage for Luffy to return the Straw Hat to Shanks—not as a boy who made a promise, but as a Pirate King who fulfilled it.

Kid telling luffy "You don't know?" kinda seems like kid was surprise and was mocking luffy for not knowing or figuring out it's Shanks.

This is just my headcanon. 😁😁😁

[weary ledge]

nice theory bro

[rough storm]

to add to my theory. I think Kid is still alive somewhere in Elbaf and will be the one to reveal who "The Man Marked by Flame".

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but why would kidd reveal the man marked by flames to luffy?

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I think his lost to Shanks made him realize that he will never become the King of the Pirates and will pass his dreams to luffy instead. i mean i dont know. seems fitting for kid to be the one to tell luffy because luffy did asked kid who the man was.

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idk man he didnt thought it like this against kaido why would one defeat make him like that also he is just as stubborn as luffy is so i dont think that could happen

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because no one died in his crew against kaido. for sure some of kids crew died agsint shanks. their ship getting destroyed should be the final straw for them to give up.

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that i guess makes sense

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Oda wrote kid to be someone who has an important role to the story and so far he seems pretty useless. so him revealing shanks is the man marked by flame is a pretty important role.

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i had a theory as well which is that i think that the reason imu and all the other world govt is so much afraid of a pirate reaching laughtale is because the person who reaches their might find a way to kill imu
so i thought since we are getting to know scopper gaban and how he made sommers unable to regenerate i think that elbaph might be the final arc i think in this arc only all the strawhats might become stronger and the rest of the arc will be like flashback

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i dont think its a weapon. vegapunk saying whoever claim one piece will have the power to influence the world was just his opinion. i really think its a book. which pirate hates. and thats what made the roger and his crew laugh. but i think the book contains the true history of the one piece world. which was what the world government and imu are trying so hard to hide . and thats probably when were are going to get a flashback of the void century. Its weird how no one actually thought about the one piece being a "book".

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wait that actually makes sense

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Any theory here regarding Gorosei and HK's regeneration or immortality? Please tag me in the message.

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you have to remember. only imu knows about the true history of the void century. not even the gorosie knows.

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i have a theory regarding gorosei and hk regeneration that i think we have to hit at a certain point to inflict damage to them for eg in the manga we see gaban hitting sommers at his hand but if you look at sommers hand there is a sign i think he hit at that sign and that cut the hk and imu connection

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i think imu controls the gorosei like we saw how he killed saturn its safe to assume they know about it as well

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because there was a chapter where they said that "Nika might have been a myth".