manga-theories

[oblique isle]

tbh almost every arc I think has some sort of giant relation other than maybe skypia? And east blue? Lil garden is during alabasta, water 7/enis lobby had Oimo and Kashi and robins flash back about Saul and O'Hara , thriller bark introduced orz/oz and hus lore sabody had the straw hats free that one giant from slavery who joins up with the new giant pirates, than in marineford we were really introduced to a bunch of Marines that were giants. I think east blue ,skypia, and impel down are the only arcs with no real giants

[elder dagger]

probably deactivated like the last 200 years, and something woke it up 200 years ago too.

[runic dove]

I mean if you wanna throw in the fact San Juan Wolf was in Impel Down ig that but he didn't do anything, he was just there.
Its been Giants, Giants, Giants the entire story without us really knowing.

[bleak sky]

Adding to the Kizaru comments above. I think he is also the one who brought food to luffy and then moved him away from Saturn where the marines found him later.

[misty rain]

It’s gonna be a UFO

[south pawn]

Eustass Kid is 7th vegapunk

[steady prism]

Do you have any in-story evidence/reasoning to prove that timeline would work when we already have his backstory?

[south pawn]

• Eustass Kid is Vegapunk 07
• Kid builds high tech stuff
• 7 sea monster robots looks like their vegapunk counterpart, one of them looks like Kid
• Kid uses punk in all of his attack names
• He has 07 on his railgun

[steady prism]

Do you mean these robotic sea beasts from ch1062? But that’s 8 if you count the little bull dog next to the wolf. I get the 07 and “punk” usage stuff

[south pawn]

that could be stella, a tounge-out resemblance.

[steady prism]

Sure. I guess all these little connections are interesting but my biggest gripe is how it fits the timeline when it’s not like he made these clones until recently. But Kid has been alive for 20-something years

[iron current]

yeah i have the same problem with this idea, it just doesnt add up with what we know about the Vegapunk clones and Kids backstory

if its not something like he was the original one and Vegapunk lost him in the West Blue at a young age

[south pawn]

could be that he made vegapunk made him unique from those 6 punks. anyways, this is only a theory

[inland cobalt]

Yeah but the timeline just doesn’t add up at all and kid doesn’t actually build anything really

[iron current]

sure and we are just poking holes into the stuff that doesnt add up, we arent saying "there is no way, this is absolute nonsense" just that with what we know currently it doest add up

[inland cobalt]

It’s just giant slabs of metal moving entirely via his magnetism there’s not actual mechanisms

[steady prism]

I do like the implication of what you and @vale plover said about Kizaru. It shows how conflicted he is and how flawed unclear justice is. In the beginning Kizaru said “I’m just another cog in the machine”, but perhaps that’s his unclear justice doing what he’s told but doing it his way.

[bleak sky]

I do like how all the admirals have their morals scattered about on different parts of a spectrum.

[pure raven]

Theory: The members of the D clan are the nobility of the Great Kingdom the WG hates

Nefertari D lili probably betrayed her kingdom for some reason, and she regretted it, that’s why she spread the ponegylephs around to take down the WG

It says that 20 kingdoms took down the Great Kingdom, so maybe Lili ruled alabasta as a vassal state and was part of a rebellion

It makes sense why the WG hates them so much, especially imu, who was alive during the void century and went to war with the Great Kingdom

The “Will of D” is maybe their inherent desire to take over the WG and restore justice or revenge or maybe some other reason

Maybe the reason why they all smile before death is because they subconsciously know that they will win against their enemies at the very end. Maybe that is their “inherent will” passed down to their ancestors.

The “New Dawn” is the official collapse of the WG and the celestial dragons being defeated, avenging the Great Kingdom once and for all.

Thats all I can really think of

[graceful helm]

There was a separate theory going around that said caribou was the one who fed luffy. I subscribe more to this theory since hes done it before and it would be the easier for him to skulk around without being noticed.

[graceful helm]

Have we actually gotten confirmation on when the clones/satellites were made? I think its also possible that the clones could have been in stasis for a time and only brought out more recently. We atleast know that certain clones were released into the world at different times, since stussy was active long before the Seraphim.
I cant really subscribe to this theory based on just this evidence but i think its possible that kid could be a clone/satellite without breaking his current backstory. Iirc his back story only goes back to his early childhood, theres nothing to say he couldn't have somehow escaped from one of vegapunks labs and then made his way to the island he grew up on as a child.

[bleak sky]

The only hiccup with that was that caribou was with Blackbeards crew at the time right?

[graceful helm]

I could be wrong but i dont think this is a hiccup? I think blackbeards crew was fairly close to where luffy was when he ate the food since the members spoke with Saturn right before they spoke with caribou

[oblique isle]

Damn I did forget that one!

[steady prism]

It’s a good question, I’m not saying it’s impossible but imo it’s hard to corroborate at the moment with what we know right now. Firstly, I think it is reasonable to assume that MADS dissolved sometime between 38-31 years ago (between the God Valley Incident and Weevil’s post-ts age). Also, we saw that by the Ohara incident 22 years ago, Vegapunk was working for the WG. Kid is 23 years old post-ts so he had to have been cloned by MADS/Vegapunk 23 years ago (in the image of someone(s)). I don’t agree with that because I’m assuming the WG didn’t like MADS’ lineage factor research, which I’m assuming is how they were able to successfully clone Stussy (and possibly Weevil). Moreover, in Kuma’s flashback in ch1100, we see how frustrated Vegapunk is that he has so many ideas but not enough hands. To me, that is implying that he hasn’t created a satellite yet nor has he he created Punk Records yet. This is just a few years ago, which again tells me that Kid isn’t a satellite either. For those two reasons, I don’t think Kidd is a clone or a satellite of Vegapunk.

[graceful helm]

This is some strong evidence against for sure. Sidenote, are the other satellites based on some person already in-universe that exist?

I have kinda been thinking of the clones like stussy/seraphims in the same vein as the satellites, but are they even the same kind of beings?

[steady prism]

Not to my knowledge. But of the two (?) clones that we know of, both are based on other OP characters

The Seraphims are mostly clones, but are imo also augmentations to the original person with Lunarian DNA and green blood. It’s not as perfect as Stussy’s cloning

[graceful helm]

Gotcha, the evidence produced in the theory seems to point to kid being a satellite rather than a clone. Given the panel you produced it seems a lot less likely that this would be the case given the language vegapunk is using. Wouldnt make much sense for him to say "if only they were 5 more of me" if he was already in the process of making the satellites.

[ocean ether]

looks like bro saw the yt vids tooo

[runic dove]

Gotta spread the headcanon and theories to as many people

[steady prism]

@still sandal did you mean Grus? Either way, please ask questions like that in #manga

[severe bronze]

not my theory:
since vega punk said devil fruits are the source of a users will and in the introduction of the gorosei's power they are not mentioned as devil fruits. are they the power users before the power becomes a fruit ?

[valid pasture]

bro can u check my theory out - #manga-theories message and see if it can be added to the list of theories, If I was to give it a 1 line title it would be Will of D : D clan members reside in Devil Fruits waiting for the "appointed time"

[steady prism]

@wispy wedge please ask questions like the one you had about Big Mom and Kaido in #manga-serious next time. This channel isn’t the right place for that.

[steady prism]

Vegapunk said devil fruits are manifestations of people’s dreams back in ch1068-ish.

[steady prism]

We make those lists every once in a while. Rest assured that when the time comes, we will do our best to review as many theories as possible since the last list.

[valid pasture]

aight man, BET thanks.

[brazen bear]

The theory states that,

There's a ton of similarities between Kidds attacks, appearances with vegapunk/'s creations such as stated

• Kidd builds high tech, 7 sea monsters and one of them looking like kidd and the "07" on his rail gun, and can't forget the fact that kidds attacks all has "Punk' in them.

So Kidd might actually be related to vegapunk in some way or another, possibly grandson?

Credits to: @noveriller - @wanbeece

[young bluff]

Hehehe I suggested Vegapunk could be Kidds grandpa figure wayback just like Sengoku for Law and Garp for Luffy. My only clue then was the fact that he could build a lasergun (so back in Wano). Now more people are talking about it with more evidence. I am hopping on board this

[thick hawk]

ok i checked on number 52 where kid apperars and he not says ntjing soo its decent

[valid pasture]

but then Dory and Brogy would know wouldn't they. But this theory sounds very plausible. Surely it does involve the previous user of the Nika fruit and him activating the form which in turn activated the giant robo to launch an offensive.

[nocturne siren]

"A man marked with flames." My best guess would be the giant Saul. Who suffered severe burns saving Robin and the Ohara legacy/knowledge during the buster call. Pretty sure he has the will of D also and we saw him all wrapped in bandages when Vegapunk was talking about Ohara with Robin.

[versed gyro]

How heavy is a poneglyph? Wondering if a person with special abilities is needed to move it. Is Saul stronger than Jimbe?

[nocturne siren]

No idea but I'm sure a crew of giants would be able to move it. They also can just copy the text onto paper and don't necessarily have to take the poneglyph itself.

[dreamy hull]

even if was full rock would probably weight a few tons most likely

[hardy pulsar]

Assuming the alabasta poneglyph is about 2x the height of Robin, so 376cm, and if it has the same density as a kinda average rock, it would weight roughly 146 ton.

If the upper density for poneglyph stone is the same as osmium, it would weigh 1200 ton.

However, poneglyphs may differ in size. I don't remember all the occurrences.
But i figured 2x Robin seems like a decently accurate estimate for the arabasta poneglyph.

[steady prism]

!theories @valid dune please use #manga-serious for “what if” ideas like that. This channels for long in-depth theories (like the ones pinned)

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, power scaling, bounty predictions or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description. Posts here must be in paragraph form, preferably with evidence, not just a one line open question.

[glacial junco]

I don’t think they are heavy at all. At least for one piece characters.

[pure raven]

I have a theory that the reason to way Imu hates Nefertari D. Lili is because Lili spread the devil fruits to the world so people around the world would gain power to eventually overthrown the world government of the ancient times

[inland cobalt]

Kidd doesn’t build anything high tech it’s just a giant hunk of metal

The timeline also doesn’t line up at all as well Kidd has a set backstory and punk isn’t remotely a unique word and fits his general rocker theme well

[inland cobalt]

Apparently most of his punk attacks are also just puns that mean magnetism per the wiki as well

[versed gyro]

But it’s missing from fishmen island so it was definitely moved

[golden crown]

yea maybe people of ohara had the last road poneglypf thats a sold one as well
i gusse we found out in like 4 weeks or si lol

[pure raven]

[pale stirrup]

[hushed harness]

What if, the role of each Gorosei minister is not to promote the realization of each of their roles (agriculture, economy, justice, war, science) but to prevent the world to achieve progress and prosperity in those terms? So they can control them better?

[brave creek]

I've been thinking that the gorosei are just 5 old dudes but possessed , those 5 old men we are seeing now were leaders in the ancient kingdom , to each has his domain , science , agriculture etc ... Just like their role now , but at some point the ancient kingdom was defeated and those 5 were captured (they were injured because of the war thats why they have scars) and they became possessed and now work for the wg
I mean to be more clear , a guy like V.nusjuro is a samurai and what land is known with having samurai ? Exactly its wano , and wano was shown to be old allies with the ancient kingdom ? Which can be considered a reason why a wano guy is working with the wg , cuz he was defeated became possessed
Or with a simple plot i bet oda wont do is just make him betray wano

And that explains their devlish theme too

[pliant arrow]

This is a good theory. Feel like I've read it somewhere before. That the zoan fruit consumed Saturn's personality

Imagine that the gorosei who are portrayed as the biggest evil are actually the biggest victims of Imu

[brave creek]

Ye that would be a much more interesting thing than just having them evil from the start

[pliant arrow]

Yeah I think Saturn in particular like you said was part of the ancient kingdoms scientific defence team and helped the ancient kingdom build defences and technology to a degree.
And was friends with joyboy at one point in time
And the fruit changed his personality in combination with Imus influence.
And he may have been involved in the creation of the ancient robot

[brave creek]

Yes exactly , the 5 of em basically helped with the development of the ancient kingdom in each field

[loud nimbus]

Doubtful that saturn was ever involved in the iron giant’s construction. If he was he would have seen to its dismantling personally, if he was alive 200 years back, rather than place the artifact in a bunch of World Government scientists

[pliant arrow]

I mean thats a small nuance. The wg ordered the Scientists of the world to dismantle it and maybe Saturn didn't want to work with "human" scientists directly.
Also without Joyboy they were aware that the robot didn't have the capacity to do anything so they didn't really have it on their agenda

I just think that Saturn being this head of science and defence. And this arc being about the science of egghead which mimics the ancient Kingdom as well as defences of egghead which people have been trying to bypass and manoeuvre around

[unique coyote]

Good evening! I'm new on this server, but I am a big fan of One Piece and I already have a thesis to start with: the reason why the Five Elders cannot be clones of Im in the same way as satellites are with Vegapunk. In the last chapters, we have seen that all the Five Elders master the Conquering King's Ambition: it seems difficult to me that they are born with this power if they are clones, because clones are fundamentally constructed, they are manufactured, they are not born; and even if Oda proves that they are "satellites" of Im in the same way as Shaka, Edison, Atlas etc. are for Vegapunk, I really don't think it is possible to make a person who is born as a cyborg learn or endow Ambition, unlike of those (like Eustass Kidd) who become one because they acquire mechanical prostheses.

[versed gyro]

Oh I like this. There’s a lot of parallels to Thriller Bark and shadows here so you could be close to something

[analog girder]

People don't need to be androids to be clones tho. As cloning is a biological process, it would even be more likely for clones to be living beings. Especially when created in some capacity by a devil fruit, which might be the case.

[unique coyote]

New theory: Blackbeard 3d devil fruit

His third devil fruit is the Tako Tako no Mi model octopus. Octopuses in fact have very particular bodies and three hearts. Consuming this fruit modified Teach 's body composition and gave him the chance to eat more devil fruits - Dark - Dark fruit and Tremor - Tremor fruit in his case. This theory is supported by a few details of Blackbeard and his crew, like their jolly roger (3 skulls for hearts and devil fruits and eight bones for octopus tentacles), Teach 's beard division into three braids (one for each devil fruit) and the three guns Blackbeard brings with him: one at left, which symbolizes the Tako Tako, who Teach ate before joining Whitebeard crew, and two at right, which symbolize Dark-Dark and Tremor-Tremor, which he ate after joining Whitebeard) .

[green veldt]

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[oblique isle]

A really crazy turn of events is if they end up being joy boys crew even

[oblique isle]

I just want to point out bb sometimes has more than 3 guns and personally I believe the three skulls represents the three versions of black beard in one piece and the two that teach killed( thatch and white beared are based on real world black beard) but this is very similar to the Cerberus theory's as well but I think Marco would have said his devil fruit enables him to do such and such rather than saying his body is different 🤔

[unique coyote]

I meant the ones he used to bring pre-timeskip (like in Impel Down) but that's just a hint and the Cerberus theory doesn't convince me btw

And talking about Teach 's three versions doesn't really stand a point 'cause very likely bb pirates jolly roger was created much earlier Teach could have his yonko and shichibukai titles

[unique coyote]

And Marco could have said Teach devil fruit does so? No, cause Teach didn't even revealed that he was looking for a devil fruit (and only told Whitebeard that he had nowhere to go), why would he say he already had one? If my theory turns out to be true, wouldn't this point of yours make a lot of sense.

[oblique isle]

It's not in world representation it's oda reference like how some places are named after real world areas or copy them ?

[unique coyote]

For example?

[oblique isle]

I mean it be very unlikely if he never fell in water around any one in white beard crew. Well Egypt is alabasta , Barcelona Spain is dressrosa , Italy or Venice is water 7

[unique coyote]

It's unlikely indeed, but still possible

If he had a devil fruit he would logically stay away from water

[oblique isle]

It just seems very unlikely not impossible but very much dues ex machina and would be weird too that he doesn't use the octopus fruit which I would guess is a zoan right ? After he already got his fruits why keep it a secret any longer ?

[brave creek]

At least we are agreeing on the fact that they were nice ppl 800 years ago but somehow became a victim to the wg

[oblique isle]

It's really possible or even something like at first it was truly to be first humanity and as time goes on it after the war the end up oppresses rather than leaders. On a side note I find it interesting that the theme of the important players in the void century being related to gods/ planets might relate ? Were they all apart of the same goal/crew/ ship? I also wonder if Nika is more similar to Jesus where he has apostles aka his crew and after he was killed he told his crew to tell his take for ages and because if the way the wg treats the voice cent maybe this caused whole islands/ countries to disappear and maybe that's related to the iron giant asking for forgiveness and maybe it relates to why zunesha was punished but really I'm just connecting dots or trying to lol

[unique coyote]

Yeah we do

[brave creek]

Ye ic ur point , i really like this theme of one piece too , i really didnt expect oda to just go deeper in the planets names and stuff , but he did , and nika ? I think he wasn't the type of guy who wants to be a ruler or a king cuz this is basically goes against his main principle which is freedom , but since they think he is a god, he has some sort of a holly way in their life especially the giants

[brave creek]

YESSIR 🗣️🔥

[oblique isle]

This might have been the conflicts between him and the wg that maybe Nika or joy boy wanted no one ruler but ofcourse Imu probably betrayed him and maybe that even how he died 😬

[unique coyote]

Or better: Wg is evil only bcz of world nobles, because they think they're gods and so they deserve to rule everything and everyone, without 'em wg could actually be good

[unique coyote]

True

[brave creek]

Imu is from the nerona family , i think he pulled a kanjuro moment to joyboy , but i dont feel like they were close tbh , imu could possibly be the one who gave those 5 old men (like i said previously) the devils so they could get possessed and obey him , thats part of his plan to rule the world , and ye u do think thats why there is a conflict between them because one wants to be the high authority and one wants ppl to be free in their lives

[unique coyote]

That 's true i think so too

[brave creek]

Tbh the wg is way stronger than those nobles that they just feel useless to the wg ? Like ik they have a financial role with the wg , but i mean , i bet a guy like imu wouldn't care abt the world nobles because he literally has 5 strong demons working under him
And those 5 are basically in control of everything , so basically imu is controlling everything

[unique coyote]

Yeah Imu obviously controls everything, but if he doesn't care about other world nobles i totally understand him and why: their only power useful in battle is calling an admiral and almost all of them are cowards... except for Gorosei they're are literal demons, in all sense including the real sense of the word

[brave creek]

Basically , those nobles are just like tools to imu

[unique coyote]

wisdom incarnate

[torn oyster]

I'd say they're less like tools and more like ants in an ant farm. The rest of the world is the backyard and every island is like an anthill

[brave creek]

Ye thats more like it

[unique coyote]

Kinda true

[torn oyster]

Pappag (Starfish from Sabaody and Fishman Island arcs) probably has crazy Haki. I can't link it but when he explains how he can talk, he mentions "willpower" in some scans, and we all know that that's Haki.
In addition, some devil fruits can be "emulated" with Haki. CoC is kinda like a more extreme version of Foxy's fruit with a bit of stretching definitions, Armament is kinda like Jozu's fruit, and Luffy started using fire attacks after learning Haki, emulating Ace's logia.
There hasn't been an example of Haki "emulating" a Zoan except for Pappag to my knowledge, so it either requires a lot of strength or specialization. Kinda like Idiot Savant syndrome.

[fierce thicket]

I don’t think that’s the case

[reef forum]

I've got a theory on who is actually become the pirate king. It is not Luffy

So, You know how the start in one piece says "wealth, fame, power. One man has acquired all these wordly things: Pirate King, Gold Roger."

Now focus on the first part "Wealth, Fame, Power." Now guess who has all of these 3 achievements right now. Hint: He is a warlord and associates with 2 very important people

yep, you've guessed it: Buggy. But why? Because right now Buggy has wealth to such with associating with our "Croco boy". "Fame" Equivalent to being a warlord of the sea. Power. Do I even have to say anything? "Hawkeye Mihawk"

So with these traits he has I think the most possible man to being the Pirate King is "Buggy D. Goat" and also on a different note Buggy used to be on Rogers crew so he has an idea where Laugh Tale might be. Now with these traits, Who do you think is going to be the pirate king?

[iron current]

i mean sure its possible but in your whole theory you forget how Luffy and also Roger defined the Priate King, the person with the most freedom on the seas. Buggy is also not a warlord since there are no warlords anymore

[reef forum]

"The person with the most freedom..." So what do you think buggy has been doing since forever? I mean bro established a whole new system with crocodile and mihawk with stars as bountys, and I generally think that after marineford Buggy was the freest man alive

[reef forum]

I'm still not sure but there are some flaws of my theory too so idk this is my theory but you might be right from this whole situation too

[iron current]

i mean first he was hiding behind his warlord title and now he joined Crocodile and Mihawk because he owes Croc a lot of money. so Buggy isnt really free. and tbh all i was trying to say was that neither, fame, nor money or power are really that important in the definition of Luffy or Roger

[reef forum]

🗿

[iron current]

im not saying there are flaws. i even said there is a chance that it might happen the way Oda is handling Buggy but not in the definition of what Luffy thinks the Pirate King is. More in the he might be the first one to find the One Piece

[reef forum]

I mean Luffy might be the most free man ever but generally I think buggy will gain the title as the pirate king yk as an element in suprise like Rocks D. Xebec being the strongest man alive when Gol D. Roger was titled as the "Pirate King"

[torn oyster]

This is way more headcannon/prediction than a theory, but I think that Nika is a false god. Joyboy made Nika up as a way to either intimidate the 20 kingdoms, give oppressed people hope, or both. Eventually, people started to depend on this "Sun God" so much that they didn't fight for themselves. Joyboy regretted making this false hope, which eventually led to the defeat of the Ancient Kingdom. A Joyboy without much Joy probably can't do all too much.
The fleeting "evidence" I have for this (once again, this is more of a headcannon/prediction) is that Skypiea is all about gods in the One Piece world being something that people shouldn't depend on, and that arc is often cited as foreshadowing Nika.
In addition, things that are too good to be true in One Piece are just that, too good to be true. Sabaody Park had a slave auction, Dressrosa's toys are slaves that were wiped from history, and Ebisu Town is only smiling due to the negative effects of experiments beyond their understanding. A happy-go-lucky liberator that always saves the day is a bit too good to be true.
One last detail, but the World Government, Giants, and Buccaneers refer to the warrior of liberation as Nika, while Joyboy's possible nakama refer to him as Joyboy. Maybe they are the only ones that know the lie that enshackled the world. Either that or the break weeks are gettin' to me.

[steady prism]

@wanton swallow Do you want to elaborate a bit on why you say that? Edit: haven’t heard back in over a day, deleting for now

[slow fulcrum]

5-go 6-mu

[steady prism]

it's an interesting idea, but unless you have some in-story evidence/reasoning to prove it, it might be better to share it in #manga-serious where you can brainstorm this possibility and other possibilities. Edit: deleted for now

@spiral kraken as bungus said, 56 is pronounced as "go-mu" when you use goroawase (japanese wordplay). In the future, please ask questions like that in #manga-serious , not really the right channel for it

!theories @night stratus not the place for random comments like that. Please read the channel's description and use #manga for comments like that

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, power scaling, bounty predictions or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description. Posts here must be in paragraph form, preferably with evidence, not just a one line open question.

[hollow sparrow]

Luffy will die gear 6 because he said my heart so fast when he gear 2 (Enies Lobby arc)i dont know how say it so he gonna die (maybe)

[reef forum]

That might be true and the one piece might be the weapon to destroy the red line since in fishman island arc we saw that The fish-witch (forgot her name) said luffy will be the one to destroy the fishman island which is located under the red line. And that would also fulfill the promise of joyboy freeing the fishman

[reef forum]

also yknow that oda always teased 56 as a number everywhere? Every single arc even when luffy was little he wore a shirt that had 56 in it

[storm olive]

I don't think Buggy fits at all as the most free. If anything, of the current Yonko he's the least free. He didn't even want to be part of cross guild at all, fate has just been throwing him around. His only true act of freedom has been declaring he's gunning for the one piece

He can't piss off either Croc or Mihawk too much either. They're not fully loyal like other yonko commanders. And of the Yonko, he's the most reliant of the power of his subordinates. And they're total loners too, very hard to breed loyalty in them

Now I personally definitely think eos they will be 100% loyal, because it would be a very funny gag

[wooden silo]

Shanks seems to be the freest man on the sea, and the closest to being pirate king

[arctic rock]

Yeah but he’s like white beard,he has no interest in one piece ironically

[wooden silo]

I feel like he’s different from Whitebeard, he definitely cares about it

[stiff goblet]

Joy boy is source of ancient weapons powers imu need joy boy to fuel weapons just how he is the energy source of ancient robot

[wild spoke]

I agree with this

[wild spoke]

Also, do you think that all the lies that Buggy made up for himself will turn into reality, if Mihawk and Crocodile keeps pushing his limit?

[wild spoke]

Does anyone know what Buggy's true dream is? Me personally, Buggy wants someone to generally love him for who he is, since the punchline is that everyone doesn't give him any respect, despite his "impressive" track record.

[wild spoke]

I also believe that his connections will continue to run deep, once he's revealed to be not only a D clan member, but somehow the long lost son of Rocks D Xebec!

[pure raven]

Good evening! I'm new on this server, but I am a big fan of One Piece and I already have a thesis to start with: the reason why the Five Elders cannot be clones of Im in the same way as satellites are with Vegapunk. In the last chapters, we have seen that all the Five Elders master the Conquering King's Ambition: it seems difficult to me that they are born with this power if they are clones, because clones are fundamentally constructed, they are manufactured, they are not born; and even if Oda proves that they are "satellites" of Im in the same way as Shaka, Edison, Atlas etc. are for Vegapunk, I really don't think it is possible to make a person who is born as a cyborg learn or endow Ambition, unlike of those (like Eustass Kidd) who become one because they acquire mechanical prostheses.

[outer canyon]

but what if they get the conquerors from imu?

[pure raven]

good point. I will make sure to research more of this query and get back to you as soon as possible

update: yes this could be the case

[outer canyon]

bet

[steady prism]

@arctic rock regarding your“egghead aftermath” question, please ask questions like that in #manga-serious and don’t repost it in too many channels, it would be considered spam

[dreamy igloo]

Why did Oda put Rob Lucci on the same line as the Ohara folk in his statment about the 3 week hiatus

[steady prism]

I don’t know what you’re referring to, but please use #manga-serious for general questions

[dreamy igloo]

Makes me wonder more on his lineage,,, Its a theory?

Definitely was not asking a general question, and its for the people who know what im referring to.

[steady prism]

Gotcha, but if you’re aiming to present a theory here, then you need to make a premise and tell us the in-story evidence/reasoning you have that supports it. The way you presented it seemed like a question that you’re just brainstorming. If I’m wrong then please do elaborate I wouldn’t mind reading it

If this is just a reflection you’re making and trying to find more connections about Lucci’s lineage, then #manga-serious is still the better place for it

[split gulch]

[unique gull]

As it stands, Dorry and Broggy still aren’t getting that Luffy is Nika yet, probably because it’s absurd that the pirate they met was a god they know. I bet Bonney’s gonna ask Luffy about that on the giant’s ship and that’s where they’ll learn about Luffy’s true nature

[random beacon]

They'll probably get it when Kuma makes the great sacrifice 😦

[hot prairie]

Dorry and broggy are the ones that going to the sacrifice with the viking theme of the giants they would probably die fighting the gorosie to get to Valhalla

[random beacon]

I reckon that could be something in Elbalf, imo. Given Kuma's state, I get the vibe this is his last stand. Ofc, all 3 could go to really cement how much of a threat the Gorosei are

I've got a cool theory I've been sitting on to share re BB based on him being a parallel to Luffy:

The premise:
• Luffy is based on a composite of Hanuman/Sun Wukong
• Joyboy/Sun God Nika is based on a composite of Ramayana/Xuanzang.

Theory:
BB being Luffy's opposite is based on the composite of the mythological characters who opposed the characters that inspired Luffy

• BB is based on a composite of Ravana, King of Lanka/The Bull Demon King
◦ Ravana opposed Ramayama-Hanuman
◦ The Bull Demon King opposed Xuanzang-Sun Wukong.

Exactly like Luffy, BB is based on the composite of 2 characters, but in BB's case he's based on:

• the real BB, the Devil Incarnate
• Henry Every, the King of the Pirates (Oda's old notes show Teech's original name was going to be Everything D. Teech)

Summary

• Luffy is based a Hanuman/Sun Wukong composite;
• Joyboy/Sun God Nika is based on a Ramayana/Xuanzang composite.

• BB is based on composite of their opponents: Ravana/Bull Demon King
• Also a composite of real life pirates: Henry Every, King of the Pirates/Blackbeard, Devil Incarnate

Implications

We know BB had the Yami Yami no Mi and hinted he would get the Gura Gura no Mi, since both fruits linked to BB and the original owners with parts of the original BB's name.

Kaido's flashback revealed that Rock's ship is identical to the Queen Anne's Revenge (the original BB's ship); the third link to BB; we know That trend due to be repeated by BB since the recent flashback suggests at least 2 fruits were stolen from Island Fullalead (Kaido and Kuma's).

BB inspirations provide clues on the DFs he'll likely aim for, and why Oda to link him to certain fruits:

• Uo Uo no Mi; Model Seriyu; why Shanks expected him in Wano; BB might up obtaining this if he goes got Pluton based on Caribou's info

• Nikyu Nikyu no Mi: Like the Uo Uo no Mi, its a God Valley fruit, and there's no indication the BB pirates left Egghead Island; they might be waiting to take advantage of the chaos; Laffitte is also the only BB pirate unaccounted for; should Kuma die, the fruit would pop up... if this arc is meant to replicate elements of Punk Hazard, this could be how the Smilie Part replicates

• Mero Mero no Mi; why BB claimed to always want it; if he obtains either of the aforementioned fruits, or both, he may feel confident enough to go back for the fruit

The inspirations have other implications

In the Ramayana mythology Ravana was part of mortal race called Rakshasas (not to be confused with demigod race Asuras), which ties in well with the reveal that BB's lineage is special. He was also knowledgeable in secret texts which has ponegliph allusions and BB's other knowledge. Ravana also has 10 heads which resonates with BB's jolly roger's multi head design.

Ofc, lineage could be a product of a preexisting fruit. While Saturn acknowledged BB's lineage is special, it definitely isn't special enough to permit consuming more than 1 DF. Otherwise post Marineford War the Gorosei wouldn't have said BB's the only person in history to eat 2 fruits.

The awakenings of those fruits could provide powers similar to the mythological characters, and the reputation of the men BB is based on.

Interestingly, BB is the DF guy and wants to be King of the World, and the composites are known for being Kings or Devils in some way.

(Note: I expect Luffy's fruits and Haki to become strong enough to become strong enough to battle BB, esp when you consider the Gorosei's power and Luffy needs to fight them)

A cool theory I've had in mind for a while that thought I'd share.

[inland cobalt]

Good theory but can you elaborate on how rocks ship is like the og Blackbeards ?

[random beacon]

Ofc, the resemblance is uncanny, not like-for-like, but the design outlines make you pause

The panels of Rocks's ship:
Kaido's flashback from ch. 1049 https://imgur.com/QtPlkeY
Kuma's flashback from ch. 1096 https://imgur.com/AluXsby

But looking into it more, while it doesn't look like-for-like from the outset, it fits perfectly when you go with the real BB-Henry Every composite notion; Xebec's ship being a composite of the real BB's ship, Queen Anne's Revenge and Henry Avery's ship, Fancy:

I've tried to get the same angles of the Queen Anne's revenge as the flashback:

https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-dd4747246f49547aba1880b264a99273-lq

https://imgur.com/1neuK0Z

https://imgur.com/EeTm2F9

Fancy:

https://imgur.com/RdJqOYF

https://imgur.com/RDDhnwE

It strengthens the link to OP's BB, and given BB's ship is the sabre of Xebec while Xebec's ship is an amalgamation of the one used by composite figures inspiring OP's BB... maybe its a hint on why BB's lineage is special, and why Oda drew attention to why the name of BB's ship in the Road to Laughtale releases

[valid island]

So who of the 5 Elders do you think is gonna be the most terrifiyng? I personally feel like Saint Markus Mars seems like very terrifiyng.

Also i assume everyone of the 5 elders just like Saint Jay Garcia Saturn with Kuma has some vicitms that want them dead.

[runic dove]

It had be confused for sure because I don't believe we've ever been shown anything relating to his orgins other than how his story in the WG started with him defeating the Pirate who took over a kingdom and his crew.

[dense wyvern]

Zunesha's Crime

Zunesha is over 800 years old and still alive. Who are the other characters that are THAT old and still alive?
Possibly the gorosei and Imu, no one else except for them.
What if Zunesha's crime has something to do with him siding with IMU or rather betraying joy boy or the ancient kingdom to gain immortality?
This betryal could be temporary like squard stabbing Whitebeard in marineford due to Akainu gaslighting him. Like Squard Zunesha could have betryaed joyboy or the ancient kingdom, and then realised his mistake or whatever and sided with joyboy again.

[inland cobalt]

Why would an elephant want immortality?

[waxen garden]

Damn, i never thought the theories is that big

[dense wyvern]

who doesn't

[harsh jacinth]

Odacchi! I noticed an amazing thing!!! It is that if you show the Straw Hat Devil Fruit users in numbers, it will be the numbers from 1~10!!

Luffy→Gomu Gomu (5.6.5.6.), Chopper→Hito Hito (1.10.1.10), Robin→Hana Hana (8.7.8.7.), Brook→Yomi Yomi (4.3.4.3.)

(1.3.4.5.6.7.8.10), but there is no (2.9), so is the one who ate the Nikyu Nikyu (2.9.2.9.) no Mi, Bartholomew Kuma, gonna be a Straw Hat next? Please tell me!!! P.N. SHANKUS.LOVE

O: WHAAAAAT?! (shock) Gosh that surprised me! Why was I surprised?! NO COMMENTTTTTTT!!!!!!!! NEXT!!

[hollow palm]

i think zunesha might be stuck in elephant form indefinitely

it's possible that Zunesha is just a human with a zoan fruit

[glacial junco]

I’m surprised Oda would have something like that in an sbs. If it turns out to be true it’s a borderline spoiler

[harsh jacinth]

Check all sbs, there are tons of infos there, a lot of theories are also getting their info there, even young blackbeard was drawn with the moon, and theorist got crazy theory (of course?). So you might find one or two hints 😉

[inland cobalt]

That’s definitely not true otherwise it would just talk normally

[loud nimbus]

That theory has been floating around for years. Even a fan question oda about the numbers, and his response was no comment.

[harsh jacinth]

That is not a theory 😅
Just sbs

[steady prism]

!theories Guys, this place is for long in-depth theories, not short “what ifs” or other observations. Please use #manga or #manga-serious for things like that

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, power scaling, bounty predictions or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description. Posts here must be in paragraph form, preferably with evidence, not just a one line open question.

[opaque breach]

The smoke clouds of the awakened zoan user actually represents the "universe" that creature takes it's power from.
all the gorosei and the leopard for example have black smoke scarfs, they are from "evil universe" while luffy and yamato have white ones. representing the "good universe", each drawing its powers from there.

[steady prism]

Could you please elaborate a bit more? What are these two universes? Why do they exist? I know some people on this server talked about the existence of a “soul realm”, but I’m not sure how this applies to it. More importantly, do you have any more in-story evidence you can use to help explain this phenomena?

[opaque breach]

This isn't anything solid, just came to my mind that the gorosei and using powers and elements from the underworld, could it mean that luffy too can conjure things from "cartoon joyboy world" or something like that.
It seems unlikely that joyboy would use the underworld as a power source, but a different universe or world.
Therefor the smoke clouds could possibly represent which universe the powers are coming from or the demon or soul within the fruit is on the side of or something

[steady prism]

Okay I understand you better now thanks for explaining it. The underworld is a real thing and Brook has not only dealt with the underworld, but also demon ritual circles during his timeskip. Getting energy from a completely different dimension isn’t out of the question right now.

[opaque breach]

What would be a better representation to show WHERE the powers and energy are coming from?

[steady prism]

@dapper herald feel free to ask for ideas in #manga

[steady prism]

I mean I think the “soul domain” is a good candidate (https://discord.com/channels/164970986284777473/1197653024181604372). Not to mention the labosphere’s door was very strange, ppl had to close their eyes to walk through it. Perhaps that’s VP trying to take advantage of that “other” dimension (or a scientific version of it)

[harsh jacinth]

If brook knows how to counter them or can take luffy to the underworld or also maybe Gear 5 can go inbetween worlds, because toon power.

[gilded zealot]

https://youtube.com/shorts/ZYEcoFM5f4M

Watch is theory it's really something that makes sense

[tidal whale]

Not logical at all ... Kairōseki

[gilded zealot]

I like to hear your opinion

[night crag]

We have not seen any Gorosei or Imu try to swim or anything but I would assume they lose energy as normal devil fruit users do until something else is shown. Kairoseki is something that hasn't really been explained well and I think there is something more deeper to it than just being the "energy of the sea". I think that when we get to see more of Shanks and his crew the true power of Kairoseki will be utilized as I think Shanks has mastered the way to fight devil fruit users.

[steady prism]

Hello, sharing a theory link is fine, but we always request that people provide a short summary of what the theory is about so people know what they’re about to click on. 2-3 sentences summarizing the premise and some pieces of evidence would be enough.

[versed gyro]

Lineage Factor and Devil Fruits’ Awakening & Potential

TLDR: Devil Fruit Awakenings (& their potential) are determined by lineage factor and/or the users’ dreams.

An idea that's been circulating in the "One Piece" community is that Devil Fruits choose their users. My theory posits that this selection process might be influenced by the lineage factor and the user's dreams or will.

Dreams/Wills and Devil Fruits as Living Entities
In "One Piece," dreams and wills are often portrayed as tangible, enduring forces. Characters with the "D" in their names, for example, are associated with significant destinies and indomitable wills. Similarly, the quest for the One Piece is driven by Gol D. Roger's dream and final will.

Vegapunk has theorized that Devil Fruits could be manifestations of dreams, and there are instances where they're described as possessing their own wills. For instance, the Gorosei discussed how the Nika fruit seemingly evades capture, implying some level of sentience or intent.

This notion suggests that Devil Fruits might possess the capacity to "choose" their users. Luffy's accidental conception and mastery of the Gomu Gomu no Mi, which aligns remarkably well with his personality and ambitions, exemplifies a possible destiny-driven match between a Devil Fruit and its user.

Moreover, many characters in "One Piece" utilize their Devil Fruit powers in unique ways that perfectly complement their personalities, ambitions, or combat styles, such as Doflamingo's use of the Ito Ito no Mi or Katakuri's Mochi Mochi no Mi, hinting at a selective process by the fruits based on the users' innate traits or destinies.



Lineage Factor & Devil Fruits Awakening
The connection between the lineage factor and Devil Fruits is fundamental to Vegapunk's research, leading to breakthroughs like Green Blood, SAD, SMILE fruits, and Seraphims. Blackbeard's ability to wield two Devil Fruits may also be tied to his unique lineage factor, suggesting a deeper interplay between these elements.

Devil Fruit awakenings are rare phenomena where users unlock profound potentials of their powers. Shaka noted that awakened Zoan abilities can overpower the user's mind, while Kaido described awakenings as the user's mind and body fully harnessing their Devil Fruit's capabilities.

Recent developments, such as Bonney's powers, underscore this concept.

If Devil Fruits are indeed dream manifestations, a user's dream alignment with the fruit's inherent will might be crucial for awakening. The idea of inherited will, coupled with lineage factors, suggests that the potential for awakenings could be influenced by ancestral connections, further implying a selective process in how Devil Fruits "choose" their users.

[upper gust]

Maybe Zunesha was given Immortality by a former opi opi user because "elephants never forget". The true historian of the void century 🙂

[unique coyote]

Could be true

[loud nimbus]

Wouldn’t immortality be akin to not aging? Zunesha clearly show signs of biological aging. The ope ope fruit ultimate technique is said to prevent that.

[steady prism]

!theories @pseudo sleet

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, power scaling, bounty predictions or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description. Posts here must be in paragraph form, preferably with evidence, not just a one line open question.

[fervent root]

After the one piece has been claimed each of the strawhats will probably go on to achieve there dreams

Before I start with this I strongly belive Luffy will destroy the Red Line and make all the seas into one completing the prophecy.

Jinbei will go on to help the Fishman adjust to living under the sun.
Brook will go on another world tour
Franky will help Robin rebuild Ohara and then return to Water 7 to build ships
Robin will rebuild Ohara
Chopper will go to Ohara and build a hospital there to be with Robin.
Sanji will open up a restaurant on the All Blue with Zeff
Usopp will have either died and gone down as a great warrior of the sea. If he doesn’t he will marry Kaya at Syrup Village and move to Elbaf to join their forces
Nami will sail around the world charting maps.
Zoro will live in Wano and mentor others in the 3 sword style
And finally Luffy will go around the world and help people if he here’s of a place where people are in danger he rushes to help.

[gilded zealot]

Okay

[dense wyvern]

Okay so luffy becomes a hero

[night crag]

The Power of Love

When Sanji kicked away Kizaru's light attack it really confused me as to what that actually was. At first I thought it could have been Vegapunk's boots that could interact with light, but the more I thought about it has to do with Sanji's spirit and lifeforce itself.

From Sanji's backstory with the Germa 66 we saw Sanji's mother Sora trying to resist Judge Vinsmoke in modifying by taking a drug to counteract it but it only affected Sanji in exchange for her own life force. What I think actually happened is that Sora's will and life force was passed on to Sanji and her true wish was for Sanji to be kind and to protect him from any harm. It is Sanji's mother Sora's will that gave Sanji the power to deflect any attack.

Ever since Ace died, Luffy's attacks seems to have an added fire effect added to them. The reason for this is that Ace's spirit and will in his dying moment was to protect Luffy and by doing that, Ace's lifeforce which is infused with the Mera Mera no mi was passed on to Luffy in an act of Love.

The act of caring and loving for something goes beyond people, it can have to same effect on items such as Swords and Ships. When you show love towards a ship it can over time create it's own soul, the Klaubauterman, and the reason is that the people that care for that ship impart some of their own spirit, souls and life force to protect and love it.

One important factor seems to be that there must happen a near death experience between the two souls in combination with love in order for souls to get passed onto one other, the same way a near death experience is required to awaken devil fruits.

The Power of Love in essence is that when you care for someone or something so much that you are willing to sacrifice yourself to protect that which you love, some of your own will and wishes can get passed on through your own spirit and life force directly into that person, changing them and giving them actual powers.

[unborn fable]

What if the gag about Usopp’s lies becoming true was actually an early manifestation of his observation Haki?

[iron current]

so you think he looks far into the future unconsciously?

[unborn fable]

Yeah something like that

[dapper herald]

This makes sense

[dapper herald]

This has been implied many times in the One Piece universe, emotions have a tangible impact on a person's strength and abilities. Love, being one of the most potent and pure emotions, could act as a catalyst to enhance a character's attacks.

In One Piece, willpower plays a crucial role in battles. Love could serve as a source of unwavering determination and willpower, allowing characters to push beyond their limits and unleash attacks with unmatched strength and precision.

Characters in One Piece often have strong protective instincts towards their loved ones. When their loved ones are in danger, this instinct could trigger a surge of power, enabling them to launch attacks with unparalleled force to ensure the safety of those they hold dear.

Love is a positive and empowering emotion. When a character fights with love in their heart, the positive energy it generates could act as a shield against negative influences, allowing them to focus solely on their attacks and overcome obstacles with sheer determination. The same can be said for the reverse, some perfect examples of this is Kizaru in egghead and garp vs luffy, if they are forced to attack those they love, they lose conviction and become much weaker

[hardy trench]

boo

[pure raven]

[steady prism]

!theories @marble kestrel not the place for low-effort theories, please read the channel’s description.

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, power scaling, bounty predictions or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description. Posts here must be in paragraph form, preferably with evidence, not just a one line open question.

[neat gate]

whens the next chapter again?

[wooden oracle]

2 weeks or so

[runic dove]

What if the man with the burn scar is a fishman?
The burn scar could relate to a member of the Sun Pirates, with their Sun Burned over the Celetial stamp.
I do not believe it is Saul mainly because of the timeline aswell as the Man is said to be actively sailing the Black Ghost Ship. Relating to the timeline Ohara is before the disappearance of the Road Poneglyph of Fishman island. Even though it has never been mentioned, Roger visited FMI beforehand and the road poneglyph was there and I believe it's a good assumption that after someone visited somewhere and revealed to the locals what it really said that maybe of their own (Fishman) would take or safekeep the road poneglyph.

About the whirlpools created behind the ship. This kinda reminds me of The Black Pearl but disregarding that, I believe the fishman can create the whirlpools behind the black ship Lafite talks about.
The Fishman have great speed in the water, in such I believe they are capable of doing so.

[devout lagoon]

I’ll write a full update in the morning, but I randomly had this thought and wanted to give a brief update. TLDR of previous post, to awaken you need the same mentality as whoever wished for the fruit + to have died. I just realized that Ju Peter is a massive worm, and worms are responsible for helping to grow food. Ju Peter is the warrior god of agriculture. I’ll do some research on all of the others later, but just wanted to put this out here for now. If you wanna read the whole theory, it’s above, and I would LOVE to hear feedback on it! Thanks

[night crag]

I think that the Black ship is an "awakened" ship, the same way Black Blades are created and also how Devil fruits are awakened. What could be causing the whirlpools is the power of the ship itself as it could have gotten its own soul rather than it being a Fishman causing the whirlpools.

[runic dove]

Never heard anyone bring up like ship infused haki that is similar to Black Blades, this could explain a few other instances in the story.
I was thinking for awhile that the ship itself could have modifications maybe like a propeller or powered by wine/air dials.

[brittle parcel]

but aren't breath dials found only in the sky islands?Do many blue sea people go there like a tuorist destination?

but modifications do seem logical

[winter vortex]

cooked

[winter vortex]

that would be interesting, considering lots of pirates really dislike fishmen, so imagine their dismay when the last key to the one piece was from a fishman

[runic dove]

My personal opinion is that the entirety of the Fishman are overlooked, what is the humans reason for hating them and segregating them so much and for so long? What were their ties to Joyboy and why do they possess something to destroy the World

[winter vortex]

the real mystery

[harsh jacinth]

Like Koala said, she doesn't know shit about Fishmen. And with the Propaganda of the Celestial Dragons, people will follow their fellow Humans.
Human are scared of the unkown or if they look different than them.

[harsh jacinth]

Hhhhhmmm i still think it's Saul. And like you said they are keeping the final Road Poneglyph.
I hope that inside are scholars from different Races, not only Giant and Fishmen, except for the extinct one.

They want to show the world the real History, but can't show it without the help of Nika.

[flat estuary]

As stupid as this sounds

I think that luffy is Roger’s alter ego who wants to be just like his regular counterpart but better

[sour basin]

Guys ,I just had an Eruka moment...Let me cook

Wht if IMU was a crewmate of Joyboy who betrayed him and trickedd the elephant and robot to do so , he betrayed Joyboy by allying with the opposing nations for some reason , explains why he kept that strawhat with him and he fearful of joyboys return

[candid mason]

Gorosei are simply demons.

[junior oar]

What if the Gorosei were also crewmates of Joyboy? Joyboy is the sun, Imu Nerona the moon, the the gorosei. Zunesha could be earth, robot Uranus. Include the ship as a member of the crew (RIP Going Merry) and not only do you have Luffy's 10 members, but you have direct parallels for him with Joyboy that make sense. Pluton being the thousand sunny equivalent.

[sour basin]

Gorosei being crew seems kind of far fetched to me , because their characters lack mystery like IMu and they mostly behave as the generic bad guys but what do we know, it's oda after all!

[junior oar]

Maybe, but consider that they are immortal. Also consider that they are different ages, which the Ope Ope no Mi would take time to find after each use.

[sour basin]

And the fact that gorosei have been seen by a lot of people in the series ,someone should have said something about the elders not changing...leads me to believe that gorosei can't be immortal

[dreamy hull]

or they are immortal and everyone knows it (age wise)

[junior oar]

We saw Saturn at GV in the flashback. Dude looked the same. Luffy called them immortal, that is Oda being like... bro their immortal lol.

[sour basin]

But wait ,in the latest chapter I think Luffy comments on his attacks not doing a thing to
them ,so they could be immortal

GV?

[junior oar]

God's Valley

[dreamy hull]

Celestial Dragons are known by most as the literal creators of the world after all so have the top ones being known as immortal could be fine even by commoners

[sour basin]

Which chapter?

P.s why is the typing set on once per minute

[junior oar]

Well that and we know about Law's fruit's ability. That makes it open knowledge that immortality is possible

[junior oar]

1095 and 1096

[iron current]

because this channel is meant to post longer theories with evidence and maybe a small discussion and not really to have conversations like this, if you wanna have serious discussions while being able to talk freely #manga-serious is your channel

[sour basin]

Oh sorry!!

But what if we want to counter theories with theories

[iron current]

i mean you can do that, if you have points against a theory you can post them as a response for sure, but if you wanna have further small term conversations about it its better to take it to #manga-serious

[sour basin]

Ok

[junior oar]

My crazy crack pot theory is that Dragon is Rocks D. Xebec and Luffy's mom is Gloriosa. And I will probably die on this hill until Oda slaps me with reality.
Too much lines up, and all you have to accept is that at 11 Dragon was a pretty scary dude. At 11 he formed a pirate crew. This is supported by his current day 'embodiment' as the community likes to point out in Blackbeard, who also set out to be a pirate at 11, and joined under a former Rocks crewmember. Gloriosa is seen at GV, with some ambiguous phrasing to leave open possibility it wasn't whitebeard she was in love with, and could possibly have been Rocks. Which is supported with why Gloriosa wasn't all Boa over whitebeard's death. As for Dragon and Gloriosa's age difference, uh Boa and Luffy is the parallel, so 12 years? Seems well within Oda's wheel house.

This can also be supported by the theory that Rocks D. Xebec was a fake name seeing as it could also be read as Rocks The Boat. It also gives a very interesting twist to Dragon's Vivre card which talks about a secret and if the revolutionarys would still respect him if they knew. Also, think about Garp's reaction to Rocks heading to GV, seemed pretty nonchalant, like if he heard Luffy was headed somewhere.

As for why no one recognized him, I imagine its a couple of things. One is that GV didn't exist anymore nor did Rocks as declared by the world government and to go against it would be tantamount to questioning a god. The other is his crew was a band of misfits, even if they knew he was alive, would they care? The only way they would see him is in wanted posters, which would have shown up with a much older and face tattooed version of a guy they briefly teamed up with 40 years ago. This isn't unreasonable.

Why didn't gloriosa recognize Luffy as her kid then? She couldn't take him to Amazon Lily, she had just busted boa and the girls out of the slave camp with Fisher Tiger, and couldn't be around her kid for the same reason Dragon didn't. Remember Amazon Lily was at odds with the WG until the warlord system was introduced, so she was a criminal by former association, plus a former member of Rocks' crew. Why wouldn't she recognize his name then? Did Ivankov when they met Luffy? I imagine post Marineford she knows, but they haven't exactly had a time to catch up nor is that family any definition of normal.

And finally, Kuma sent Luffy to Amazon Lily. We now know Kuma knew Dragon had a kid. unless the man is completely numpty, probably wasn't hard to figure out who a mother was based on who Dragon associated with while they were in the Rev army together. The common theory is just that Luffy was sent there to learn Haki, but Oda loves to add twists and retcons to what we commonly accepted in the past. This fits. Also, if it was just to learn Haki, why not send him to Dragon? He sent Robin there, so its not like it was some other limitation.

So that's it. Dragon is Rocks and banged Elder Nyon.

[hardy trench]

Dragon and blackbeard became pirates at 11?

[junior oar]

Rocks pirates formed 6 years before GV, if Dragon is Rocks, Dragon would be 11, 6 years before GV. Blackbeard is born 1484 per O hara timeline. in 1496 he joins whitebeards crew. This would make him 11/12

[hardy trench]

Ah

[steady prism]

Dragon has already hinted that he was in the Marines before creating the Freedom Fighters and the Revolutionary Army (RA) in ch1097. Also, Garp did not mention Dragon became a pirate but did mention Luffy became a pirate (ch1087), which again indicates to me that Dragon’s past does not involve being a member of Rock’s pirate crew. Working for the Marines is probably Dragon’s mysterious past. So I really don’t understand, what evidence you have to prove that he’s lived as a pirate?

[junior oar]

Doesn't exclude him from the theory. Rocks died at GV, not Dragon. Oda is big on separating the idea of killing someone's dreams and killing someone outright. He doesn't like to kill without a purpose as he put it. In 1087 when he is yelling that at Kuzan, he is referring to something that JUST happened, and his statement is just my son became a revolutionary and his grandson saying hes going to be a pirate. That doesn't exclude it one way or the other because both are true at that time.

Also the 1097 reference is also the proof that its not the secret. He is telling that to Kuma and Ivankov like its no big deal. The evidence is just how it fits narratively, plus what I stated above. We don't know anything about Dragon's youth other than he at some point was with the Marines. Notably he never actually says he was in the marines, just with them, which could also just mean he was a kid around his dad on base. So thats not solid evidence either of anything. Now what we do now is that every showing of Xebec LOOKS like an angry Dragon. The depiction is always of a short person. ALSO Dragon knows about the Holy Knights, who were also at GV and fought the Rocks Pirates. Its all classic Oda foreshadowing, or did you forget all the Nika hints before the reveal?

[steady prism]

Garp screaming about his frustrations with his son and grandson are pivotal moments in their careers. If Dragon became a pirate, don’t you think he’d say something about it? Also regarding 1097 comment, it’s not that being a Marine is bad, it’s what he saw/did as a Marine that would abhor present-day RA members.

More importantly, you still haven’t given me anything concrete that confirms Dragon decided to become a pirate at 11 years old.

[junior oar]

Or you know it could be beccause Oda isn't revealing everything all at once? Why would he? Thats as good as revealing Dragon is Rocks then and there. The present day RA members? Who know about the slavery and everything else? They would abhor something Dragon SAW? seriously? Make that make sense please.

Thats because there isn't anything to show that. Just as there isn't anything to show Rocks. Again, you are asking for things that would be tantamount to Oda revealing his hand. Why would an author do that before he is ready for the reveal?

[steady prism]

Given the breadcrumbs Oda has left us thus far, I view Dragon’s journey as Marine -> Freedom Fighter -> Revolutionary Army. The officials clearly have Dragon saying “I spent some time in the navy”. Yes, we haven’t seen Rocks’ face or grave, but to me there are many characters in One Piece that have similar face shapes. Anyway just to close things up, the evidence you’re sharing to me is not compelling to me because we’d have to agree that Dragon looked scary at 11 years old (so the silhouette matches) and formed a pirate crew 44 years ago at Hachinosu under a pseudonym (which became the Rocks pirates). Given the little we know about Rocks and what we know about Dragon, I don’t feel like that’s concrete enough to jump off from to the rest of your theory because there are too many assumptions involved for it to be plausible for me personally. We’ll just have to agree to disagree

[junior oar]

Just to expand on the point we agree on. Dragon had 11 years of being raised by Garp, and we don't really know any details of. Garp obviously learned to not raise the kid directly on the second go round with Luffy and look how absurd he STILL turned out.

Heck look what he did to Koby in a few months.

[winter vortex]

[steady prism]

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[lone hedge]

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[fervent root]

Personal theory for Elbaf is that it’s going to tie in with Norse mythology since there is a prince Loki. I personally feel like that there is going to be a “prince Thor” who has died and mjolnir has been untouched because no one is worthy and all the strawhats are going to try but Ussop actually succeeds. And that’s going make him a brave warrior of the sea and give him a power buff

[dapper herald]

This theory is just something that popped into my head about Mihawks backstory, it's just a vague idea .

Many believe Mihawk was a celestial dragon or affiliated with them due to his use of terms like "rabbits" and "insects". However, I believe he was born to pirates who trained him in swordsmanship from an early age.

Now this is where the story gets a little random, but then we find out at a young age, Mihawk was friends with a person around his age, who was an undercover marine, they have been friends for a while and Mihawk never knew he was a marine.

Mihawk's parents were pirates, and the World Government wanted to catch them. So, Mihawk's friend informed the government about him, and they attacked his village, captured the children, and planned to train them as future marines.

Mihawk's hatred for the Marines began early, but it didn't drive him to hunt them yet. During Navy training, his exceptional talent caught St. Garling's attention. He took Mihawk under his wing and trained him to become a holy knight.

Sidetrack from the story, but Mihawk being a holy knight makes a lot of sense, as he lives in a castle, even though he doesn't need much space, both his swords are shaped like crosses and he uses terms like the celestial dragons.

Garling taught Mihawk to destroy everything and exterminate every single insect and rabbit in his path, but due to his hate for the Marines at this point, he never listened and always tried to oppose them causing him to learn the breath of all things.

As punishment, Garling imprisoned Mihawk. It was then revealed that his friend, an undercover navy agent as a child, had plotted against him and led the navy to his village.

This is when his hatred begun, as he was backstabbed, causing him to break out of jail and hunt marines down

[proper pond]

my therory - u know when some one awakens his fruit can control the body which comes in his elments contact like flame mochi magma smoke llight and same goes for imu she maybe has devil fruit which holds powers of water she controls the sea cause u know the moon controls the sea levels so it can be like she is moon and has water type of devil fruit cause water type of fruit has only been told once the mizu mizu nomi so this can be that she has a water type of fruit

[mortal yacht]

My theory is that you know when someone awakens a dvil fruit they can make others in there elmsent like the flame flame fruit so the thorie is there is a water water fruit and the user mastered it so everyone who eats a devil fruit cant swim

[unborn fable]

Let me give my take on the "Eleventh Straw Hat" theory and who I think would be likely candidates:

• First off, throw away any ideas that a new member would have to be useful in battle or have a significant contribution to the crew. Remember that Luffy was willing to bring Gaimon along with him despite being pretty much unable to do anything because he was stuck in a box. Luffy doesn't often look for strength in his potential crew members. His main reason for recruiting Chopper was just that he thought a talking reindeer was really cool and he asked Brook to join his crew the second he met him, before he even learned he was a musician. Luffy tends to value people who can either fulfill specific roles he cannot (e.g. Nami, Sanji), people whose nature he considers cool (e.g. Chopper, Brook), or people whose character he respects (e.g. Usopp, Robin, Jimbei). This is something we should keep in mind.
• Second of all, every member of the current Straw Hat crew has had a backstory shown which tends to feature them losing something or someone very important to them, usually placing them in a state they are not happy with by the time they meet the Straw Hats. This is why I think Carrot likely has no hope of returning to join. We never really learned too much about her when we met her and she didn't really have any personal connection to the arcs she was involved in. She seemed happy living with the minks and just as happy leading them.

• Third of all, and this one I believe is the most important. Every member of the Straw Hat crew had either given up on their dreams and resigned themselves to an unsatisfied life, or were stuck in a position where they felt they were unable to anymore (Such as in Nami, Robin, and Brook's case). When they met Luffy their worlds were shattered by his endlessly determined influence and a spark within them was reinvigorated, giving them a newfound drive to chase their dreams and join his crew to do so. This is why I think that despite how much I love him, Yamato joining the crew was unlikely. When Luffy met Yamato, he was already super confident in his ability to follow his dreams. Luffy certainly inspired him, but he was already proudly letting people know that he idolized Oden and wished to follow in his footsteps without Luffy's influence. Yes it could definitely be argued that he was stuck in a position which hindered him from accomplishing this, but even if Kaido was much stronger than him, he seemed to have no problems with defying his father to chase his dreams.
• With these three points in mind, and considering how close to the end of the series we are, I feel like if anybody else joins at this point, it should probably be someone we have already been introduced to because otherwise I'm not sure we have enough time to establish a new character plus their backstory plus their connection to the Straw Hats.

• Vivi is the one most people are rooting for and considering the criteria I set, I think she's the most likely. Not only is she already an honorary member of the Straw Hats, but she checks off a lot of the boxes. When she met the Straw Hats she was on the verge of losing her country to Crocodile and was fighting an uphill battle which would have failed without the Straw Hats' involvement. She was determined to shoulder the burden of taking down Baroque Works by herself and the Straw Hats taught her camaraderie and the ability to put her trust in others. The only reason she refused to come along with them at the end of Alabasta was because her bond was the people of her country. She had no big goal that was driving her out to sea, because Alabasta was what she cared about more than anything else. However, the reveal of Imu's grudge against the Nefertari family and the recent death of Cobra means it's looking increasingly likely that Imu might try to destroy Alabasta with the Mother Flame. This would likely give Vivi the drive to take down the World Government, and the motivation to join up with the Straw Hats in order to do so. As it stands now, Vivi looks like the most likely candidate to me, although I do have a few alternative suggestions I have considered.

• Bonney joining the Straw Hats wouldn't surprise me too much but I'm also not so sure. She has lost so much in her backstory, and has both a grudge against the world government, and Luffy's influence in her life filled her with hope. The main reason I'm not really sure if she'll end up joining is just that... she's a kid at the end of the day. I don't mean she's too young to adventure of course since she wouldn't have been considered a supernova if she wasn't skilled. What I mean is that she was really only interested in saving her father, and that has been her entire motivation for becoming a pirate and getting as far as she's gone. I don't think she really wants to fight, or to find the One Piece or anything like that, I think everything she did was just as a means to save Kuma. Now that Kuma is pretty much dead, I don't think she has too much interest in continuing as a pirate. I think she just wants to give Kuma a respectful burial and go on living her life. I also don't think she's up for fighting the world government considering it means having to face the Pacifistas. I might be wrong however and I don't think her joining the crew is too unlikely considering the circumstances.

• Assuming he survives, Law might also be an option considering he has similarly experienced loss and has been influenced by Luffy, but I think this one is the least likely for a bunch of reasons. First off, his niche as a doctor is already filled on the crew with Chopper, so Luffy probably isn't considering him. Second of all, he already has his own crew that he is very close with so the only scenario I could really see him joining the Straw Hats is if all of his other crew members die in the Blackbeard fight. I think he's a lot less likely than the other candidates but I don't think the Heart Pirates joining the Grand Fleet is too out of the question.

I know this isn't breaking too much new ground but I just wanted to give my personal take on it

[versed gyro]

Great write up, wondering if Bonney (or maybe even Vivi) would take on the nikyu nikyu no mi fruit from kuma to fulfill the devil fruit numbers theory

Also, seems like the only available roles for the Straw hats are combatants and lookout. To your point, Law doesn't seem likely to join the actual crew since they already have Chopper so may be Bonney or Vivi could be a lookout

[peak leaf]

bonney joining make the most sense

[fervent root]

Good theory, but keep in mind Shanks and Buggy were kids on Rodger’s crew.

[lunar talon]

adding onto this, to all the peeps thinking we won't get one more crewmate: Oda has already numbered crewmates with them joining the crew in Chapter Titles. Below is a list containing strawhats, followed by the chapter number and then the title of said chapter. Note that Chopper, Robin, and Jimbei haven't been numbered in titles iirc, but is obvious that they are Fifth, Sixth, and Ninth respectively. The titles are usually paired when the crew obtains a new strawhat, which is why Usopp and Franky share one since they join the crew together in the same chapter:

Zoro: Chapter 6 - The First
Nami: Chapter 94 - The Second
Usopp: Chapter 439 - The Third and Seventh
Sanji: Chapter 68 - The Fourth
Chopper:
Robin:
Franky: Chapter 439 - The Third and Seventh
Brook: Chapter 489 - The Eighth
Jimbei:

this is also a confirm that Luffy is excluded from this group of "ten men".

[unborn fable]

I actually would consider Vivi's niche on the crew to be diplomacy. Usopp kind of already covers the lookout since he has the sharpest eyes and is the sniper, plus with Observation Haki the role of a lookout is kind of redundant, but one of Vivi's strongest traits she displayed in the Alabasta Saga was her ability to diffuse situations. She convinced Luffy to not attack the citizens of Drum Island when they shot at them, and I believe that even if they stopped Crocodile, there was very little chance the Straw Hats could have stopped the revolutionary army without Vivi. This seems like a very useful skill to have on their crew going into the Final War. Not to say that the WG is going to be talked down or anything, more so what I mean is that a team diplomat would be very useful in convincing powerful groups to join forces against the WG. Luffy does have a knack for getting people to follow them but to try and unite so many powerful groups with their own agendas against an organization the entire world fears, Luffy just can't understand the ins and outs of negotiation beyond just "join me because I want you to". That's what I think Vivi's role would be.

[unborn fable]

I have also entertained the possibility of only one Vegapunk surviving Egghead and joining the crew but I think it would be unlikely considering we were only just introduced to them this arc and none of the Vegapunks minus York have really seen any extra focus over the others to set up something like that.

[versed gyro]

Bonney is super stealthy so it could fit the lookout position

[fervent root]

I also thought that. But it doesn’t make sense they dont seem to interact like you said. The candidates imo are: Bonney, Vivi, Yamato or Momo

[median fractal]

finally

[slender fulcrum]

I don"t see bonney leaving Luffy. Nika is her dream came true and her father wished luffy to take care of her. Unless she is killed, or Kuma is reverted to his human self, I don't see her parting way and abandonning Luffy somehow ( and even if Kuma is reverted, I think he'll also want to go with Luffy )

[fervent root]

!theories

[lone hedge]

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[timber river]

gum gum power

[fervent root]

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTLSXhqWj/

Zoro theory. I’ve never thought about this before now I’m super curious

[river river]

probably join the straw hats grand fleet instead of the crew

[floral valve]

https://www.reddit.com/r/MemePiece/s/JcVx2IfVyy

This man just cooked with his story even though Buggy is a bit of unrealistic

[tardy yoke]

Naa

[fervent root]

With what crew though?

[tepid rampart]

What if the immortality operation doesn’t make someone live forever, but it lets them become a mythical devil fruit, and that’s how we got the nika fruit

[wild spoke]

1. I watched a video that has the same info as this thread
2. I think it would be even funnier if Shanks goes to Buggy's island and gives him all the poneygypths. This resulted of Buggy being pissed and rips and tears the copies in front of everyone; resluting in Croco and Hawkeye beating up Buggy again. Shanks then decided to bring Buggy and cross guild to Elbaf where Luffy will be going to.

That way, all three emperors will face eachother in a davy back fight over all the copies of the poneyglypths.

I found this video months ago and it still holds up imo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScskV6naCqc&t=1s

[fervent root]

Ooh interesting. Maybe it only grants you life from old age, or disease. But if your fucking decapitated your dead.

[stark fractal]

And then her father will be dead... Idk Roger had 2 child apprentices so I see it as a good parallel if anything, maybe tama and bonney

[fervent root]

Yeah I second this. tama and Bonney would be great

[tardy yoke]

All the goresi probably have the ope ope no mi operation done on them

[river river]

I don’t think she’ll join a crew but she will probably just live her life and help if it comes down to it

[sacred sluice]

My theorie is that buggy will awaken his fruit so he can split molekyles and small particles. With this power he can destroy the red line witch will make the whole world One Piece. Then all blue will get created and all seas will meet. Before this all the fraud gorosei and fraud imu will get evaporated by the strawhats 👍

[dim ferry]

Dunno about molecules and all that, but the Chop-Chop fruit being a Paramecia would mean its awakening would enable Buggy to apply his DF to things other than himself. He could dismantle (or at least help dismantle) the red line that way.

[hidden sable]

I think gaimon gonna pull up to egghead

[obsidian ore]

I have a theory that the D. is the first letter of Joyboy's actual name so it would be the will of Joyboy/whatever his actual name was

[wind flower]

What if, there are 6 gorosei instead of 5, just like vegapunks 6 different versions of himself, IMU had 6 workers but one was a traitor, like York but since York turned evil that gorosie was good and couldn’t follow IMU’s orders. Probably locked up in the huge freezer, now I don’t have any concrete evidence to back this theory but it would make sense that gorosie could help strawhats figure out a way on how to actually defeat them, this would make sense since nobody alive in world rn actually saw their powers before egghead in action let alone know how to counter it

[slim wyvern]

Honestly fair unrealistic but one of the COOLEST theories ive ever seen

[fallow bobcat]

Gorosei means five elder stars wdym

[slim wyvern]

if its 5 elder stars why tf are they planets Hmm (jk)

[lucid epoch]

I didn’t even notice a theories channel here

[lucid epoch]

Okay here me out, I know a lot of people say that Imu will have an Umibozu Devil Fruit but I’d like to think that he will have a literal ‘Devil’ Zoan Devil Fruit.

Back in the beginning of One Piece, there has been theories, speculation and even jokes going on whether there’s gonna be like a ‘Devil’ Devil Fruit and many years later, in Chapter 1085, we saw an shadow of an arrow shaped tail stabbing Cobra. None of the Gorosei are in their transformed Yokai forms yet so that means the tail belongs to Imu. The recent chapters also reveals that none of the Gorosei has that arrow shaped tail behind their back, Warcury’s tail is shown and it’s on fire which confirms that the arrow tail belongs to Imu.

The shadowy figure that looms over the throne room from above looks more human like but has some sort of “protrusions” out of his elbows, people thought they might be dragonic wings but I’d like to think those are the flaming spiral wisp that’s been featured on Awakened Zoans and they’re on the elbows of Imu’s Devil Zoan form. I also believe that Imu’s Zoan form might be the most scariest but also the most disturbing but creepiest Zoan form to ever exist in One Piece simply because he’s the ‘Devil of the World’ and he might also have sharp teeth (on the panel of Chapter 1085, he tanked Sabo’s fire attack like it was nothing and his shadowy figure is shown to have teeth), he will likely have a huge horns on his head, with huge evil smile with sharp teeth and a pointy nose on his face.

It’s also would be fitting for Luffy to face off against Imu, a Sun God vs an Earth Devil, now I’m not coming to a conclusion that Imu would be the final villain but it would be crazy to have the King of Pirates vs the King of the World and to have Imu shouting out loud saying ‘I’m the ruler of this world, who in the world do you think you are?!’ with Luffy answering by saying out his iconic catchphrase, however it will be different because he’s already the King of Pirates and he will say ‘Me? I’m Monkey D. Luffy and I am the King of the Pirates!’ Can you imagine the chills and the goosebumps when he actually say that in front of Imu? It will also be a full circle as well that his journey from the beginning has lead to this moment.

I also believe that once Imu is officially revealed himself out of the shadows and full appearance and all, we will finally get to see his actual personality and likely his laugh which I believe would be ‘MU HAHAHA’ which is a typical villainous laugh that’s been used in cartoons over many years but also fitting for Imu because the Mu in his laugh means nothing. It might end up as one of the best laugh alongside Doffy’s

[lone hedge]

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[sacred sluice]

Mihawk is kuina , cuz when dragon's ship was passing by the shimotuki village ivankov saw her crying and injected hormones that made him an adult man so she can achieve her dream , i know this sound crazy but it can be real because kuina always wanted to become a male

[wanton edge]

i just have a theory that the one piece is how to find the void centurys technology and the island itself

[steady prism]

No she isn’t because Oda has already revealed that Mihawk is 43 years old (twice Zoro’s age) and we’ve seen Mihawk attend Roger’s execution long before Kuina held a sword in Ch0. More importantly, we’ve seen Mihawk as a child in an SBS in vol63.

[steady prism]

Per the channel’s description could you please elaborate? Do you have any in-story evidence/reasoning? How does this fit what we know about the One Piece?

[wanton edge]

i have no evidence its just a theory

[steady prism]

Ok cool. Well this channel is mainly for beefier theories that have a lot of evidence/reasoning to support it. You’re welcome to share shorter thoughts/ideas like that in #manga-serious

[wanton edge]

ok

[night void]

K

[dreamy hull]

there is an unknown woman seeing Imu so at least one another person know about Imu altough we not know if she able transform/immortal/tied to Gorosei

[white forge]

Hello

[pure raven]

The One Piece is a Sceptre that the King of the Country wielded back in the day. Big Mom never ate a devil fruit but still got the Soul Soul no Mi Powers. The sage-like king of the past country would deem those who had a certain will worthy and he would bestow upon them the power to attain their own freedom!

[steady prism]

What “King of the Country”? How else does Big Mom have Mother Carmel’s Soul-Soul df powers? Do you have any in-story evidence/reasoning to offer here?

[lone hedge]

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[surreal helm]

got it

[pure raven]

Oops it does seem like big mom ate mother Carmel but idk that woman was evil, why were only her clothes there and wouldn't she have defended herself?

[dreamy hull]

most likely left clothes there to hint at her being eaten
Streusen and giants were present at the time as well and were disgusted by what they saw
There used to be speculation in the last of Carmel possessing Big Mom but is long gone theory now altough still possible a part of her soul joined Big Mom too when she died

[golden crown]

i cant help to think that vegapunk message has something to do with nika because he was waiting for him for so long
i think he may even fake his death so he can escape WG easier we saw that he can basically teleport so yea

[pure raven]

😆

[warm brook]

hi

[high portal]

I’ve always thought Luffy’s gears were a physical change in his body. For example in his base form, Luffy’s skin is rubbery as shown in his basic attacks and his notable ability of bouncing back bullets. His bones and muscles are still rubber but not as malleable as his skin.

Gear 2 he physically expands his blood vessels to get more blood surging through him, making him move faster and enhancing his power.

Gear 3 is when he directly targets his bones, making them more malleable by expanding them. It’s literally called bone balloon.

Gear 4 in my opinion is the expansion of his muscles as well as coating them with haki.

And my theory for gear 5 is Luffy directly targeting his heart to be more rubbery. His heartbeat is mentioned multiple times in transformations. Laughing also increases heart rate and the rapid drums of liberation coincides with his beating heart.

[inland cobalt]

Gear 5 would be the entire body simultaneously in this example imo expanding blood vessels without the heart won’t do anything so gear 2 is the circulatory system in its entirety

[river river]

kizaru will die ussop will then eat the pika pika nomi and be the first person to awaken a logia

[iron current]

that would be more fitting for #manga-serious if you actaully are serious but tbh that feels more like a joke theory, this channel is for longer form theories with some hints and evidence

[river river]

im being genuine for the blackbeard luffy crew fights it will really allow him to keep up with van ogre

[iron current]

still not the right channel for this kinda post

[river river]

i got hints and evidence tho kizaru will betray the wg which will cause him to die, then this second bit aint the best but saobody i think is a hint when ussop fears kizaru and his power but manages to stand brave against it

[iron current]

ok then pls go ahead and elaborate

[river river]

kinda did above u but if you want more we already know blackbeards crew is leaving egghead which means the fruit wont go to them and one of the times ussop was BRAVE was against kizaru and i think that kizarus power the pika pika nomi will cause ussop to become a BRAVE warrior of the sea

[river river]

if u wanna know why kizaru will rebel i believe we will get a kizaru backstory with his times with vp and sentomaru and obviously the wg is trying to kill both of them

[iron current]

see the thing is, im not saying its not possible and the Kizaru part is kinda believable, he could rebel, they could kill him, we have 0 idea if the fruit always respawns on the next fruit available or how it exactly works, then the assumption that Usopp will eat it ok, but to think that he will awaken it while it takes others a while to do so

[river river]

the awakening part is a stretch but it makes sense that a straw hat would be the first one to awaken a logia, yes lol

[iron current]

why

because they are the main group?

[river river]

yes and i also believe this could initiate a fight between ussop and akainu later on where ussop then awakens his fruit, along with akainu, unfortunatly ussop was not strong enough, he falls victim to to akainu and the luffy goes crazy

[iron current]

see i dont think either Usopp or Luffy will handle Akainu

but lets take it to #manga-serious

[river river]

so ur saying in the future luffy wont fight akainu and win?

aight ty for not deleting my theory

[tough inlet]

I think prolly Sabo or Dragon, I think Dragon and Akainu were freinds before Dragon left the marines

[last estuary]

Another quick theory. I want to expand on Vegapunk's hypothesis. What if he said is true. DF came to be because it was desired. Who's who said slaves would pray to Nika in the long distant past who they believed one day would free them and that's how the Nika fruit came into existence. Hence why the WG had erased the name from the historical record (Nami and others didn't know who Nika was), and even went so far to giving it a new name, but they were unsuccessful on doing so because the legend has been passed down thus the fruit kept circulating around. This is the reason why we may not see Toki's fruit or other fruits to circulate around.

[cyan widget]

Like a lot of other people, I think that Kuzan will betray Blackbeard but I hadn't really thought of how until just now: I think Blackbeard will eventually get Pluton now that he has Caribou and Kuzan will disable it during the final war as the metaphorical iceberg that takes down the titanic (Pluton). If Pluton is as mighty as it is, it's going to need someone strong to take it down and I think Oda will use this as Kuzan's moment to betray Blackbeard

[wind flower]

Remaining big mom pirates might join straw hat fleet, now this might seem unreasonable theory but next likely leader of the remaining big mom pirates is Katakuri, now there are 2 reasons why he would use the straw hat flag, 1 - he respects luffy and what he did, freeing him and his siblings from big mom, 2 - for protection, flying a yonko flag is ultimate protection he can use to protect his siblings which is his number 1 priority or maybe something as bizarre as strawhats help pudding return and then katakuri joins their fleet

Others big mom kids might refuse or rebel but most fear katakuri so it might work

[pure raven]

I don’t really see this happening. While I can definitely see an alliance between luffy and katakuri happening, I highly doubt that he will join the grand fleet

[sick spear]

Shanks the final villain. He’ll probably team up with Luffy to fight Blackbeard. And after they beat him he’ll reveal his philosophy on some madara shit

[pure raven]

I don't know why the idea of Shanks acting against Luffy feels so out of character to me... I mean I do know why, his fleet is filled with weak pirates who are Shanks friends, he has a big philosophy towards protecting his friends no matter what because thats one of the biggest treasures he has, and you know, Luffy and Shanks are friends soooo...

Maybe a clash between them could happen but nothing like "uhh I'm a bad guy now I'm going to kill you because the One Piece has to be mine muahahahaha", pretty sure Shanks will get defeated by Blackbeard or he will have something to do against the Gorosei instead of having Luffy of all people as his enemy

---

But anyways, btw

I have the theory that Buggy D Clown will get to be pirate king for a few minutes before he gets the Garu treatment

(For the ones who don't know what the "Gary treatment" is, it refers to what happens in Pokémon Red, Blue (and Yellow if I'm not wrong) with Gary Oak, he gets to be the Champion of Kanto and straight up loses the title against the player lmao)

[fierce thorn]

I think I've found one of the mythological reference for Sanji.

Manannán mac Lir

A connection to spirals, lugh the celtic sun god and apparently moved like a wheel turning on his three legs.
They were a leader of Tuatha Dé Danann too.

Which could that mean that laugh tale is in The celtic Otherworld

'Otherworld is usually elusive, but various mythical heroes visit it either through chance or after being invited by one of its residents. They often reach it by entering ancient burial mounds or caves, or by going under water or across the western sea. Sometimes, they suddenly find themselves in the Otherworld with the appearance of a magic mist, supernatural beings or unusual animals.'

Maybe a whale leads them underwater into the otherworld where the one piece is

Which could also be why the gorosei can't go. not that they don't know where laugh tale is, but more can't access it because they are from Tech Duinn the other realm of the dead.

[rustic echo]

Devil Fruits, and the entire world, are powered ontologically by belief, and that's what is on Laugh Tale and what the World Government fears so much and why Roger's crew laughed at it. They found out that if you have enough belief in something, it will manifest in the world. The Five Elders know that by keeping the Celestial Dragons in place and having things like the Seven Warlords in place, they can instill fear into the general populace and a wide belief that they are the strongest and there is no point in fully resisting or rising up against them. They fear that people believing in themselves is what will end their rule and instead of creating strong bonds, create fear and terror. Which is why Roger's crew laughed, because they had become so powerful through friendship, with no intent of cruelty.

Devil Fruits also work this way. Luffy isn't actually rubber but he thinks he is, which is why lightning doesn't work on him. Kaido and Katakuri both saw Luffy ignite himself with Red Hawk attacks and both believed they were at least as strong as Luffy hence why Katakuri was also able to effectively copy the attack and why Kaido was able to create a massive dragon flame around him, where elements are usually tied to Logia. And it's why Luffy is becoming strong at an absolutely absurd rate, the legend of Joyboy and the intensely deep belief in Luffy that everyone he comes across touts are literally making him stronger. And it's why Luffy's powers seem to go beyond the normal categories of paramecia and zoan and arguably a little of logia. People don't hear the actual truth of what Luffy can do because of world government propaganda so the beliefs of random people attributing his powers to various kinds, lets him break those limitations. And that's why Kaido thinks Haki rules above any devil fruit, because Haki doesn't need belief, just constant training.

[pale inlet]

what do you guys think about this video I think its one of the best theories ive seen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNbGgo8ZN7I

hidden islands Elbaf video from like a week ago

[steady prism]

Could you summarize what his theory’s about and what kind of evidence he’s using? Nothing beefy just 3-4 sentences is enough.

[pale inlet]

yeah for sure give me a min

[pale inlet]

i used chat gpt because it was a lot but here is the general idea
The theory proposes that the world of One Piece draws inspiration from Norse mythology, particularly evident in the concept of the Eve tree, which resembles the Norse world tree, Yggdrasil. Just as Yggdrasil connects the nine realms of Norse cosmos, the Eve tree connects Fish-Man Island to the surface world and serves as the source of Devil Fruits, imbued with supernatural powers. The summit of the Red Line, where the Eve tree is believed to be located, is akin to the celestial realm in Norse mythology, where gods reside, explaining why the Celestial Dragons and Lunarians established their kingdoms there.

Moreover, the theory suggests that the destruction of the Red Line, facilitated by the ancient weapons Poseidon, Pluton, and Uranus, mirrors the myth of Ragnarok, the Nordic apocalypse. This cataclysmic event in both scenarios marks the transition to a new era.

back in little garden when dorry and broggy did the combined attack they said "only the great serpent soaked in blood can withstand our attack" ie:Jörmungandr the giant red snake that circles the world biting its own tail in nordic mythos OR the red line

and in the mythos when Jörmungandr stops bitting its own tail(or breaks) ragnarok happens where all the gods die and the age of man rises

the video is a lot better and more indepth then i could explain it

this might also be a stretch too but Thor is the one who defeats Jörmungandr someone who weilds lighting luffy a god who weilded lighting and defeated a giant serpent(kaido)

[loud nimbus]

Sounds a lot like a Tibetan concept called the Tulpa. In which thoughts with enough people can manifest in physical form.

[narrow herald]

I just watched Mr Morj’s Kizarus sacrifice theory, I thought it was pretty good. If any of you guys watched it what did you think?

[wild spoke]

I believe that Buggy will hold the title of "Pirate king" all the way from Laughtale arc to the final arc! In the end, he'll gain the title of "King of the world" and will bestow the "Pirate king" title to Luffy; like a king dubbing someone with the title!

[steady prism]

!theories @pure raven

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, power scaling, bounty predictions or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description. Posts here must be in paragraph form, preferably with evidence, not just a one line open question.

[pure raven]

Who said I was joking

[steady prism]

Then per the channel’s description, please make your case and provide the necessary in-story evidence/reasoning.

[pure raven]

Ok

[tough inlet]

!cook

[lone hedge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1211111343852228638/1217510693411229746/cook.png?ex=66044a31&is=65f1d531&hm=fda7fc91afb3dda1c7a90192efda3372e268931d0bcc5db2b97d635b65b260ae&

[tough inlet]

Maybe but would be kinda weird

[slender fulcrum]

I'll go along with this theory except its not everyone but the D clan that can manifest other's dream into reality. And that's the will of the D. Dream and desire. If your dreams are strong enough you can make it true.
That's why Imu fears the D. Clan more than everything

[tough inlet]

How do we know only the D clan can manifest dreams

[trim rock]

so u think that if a df user dies and is forgotten or their df is forgotten, the df doesnt reincarnate?

[last estuary]

Not the devil fruit, but if the people no longer desire, it will cease to exist

[tough inlet]

so the nika fruit only still exists because of the few people that believ in him

[last estuary]

Few is an understatement

[tough inlet]

luffy doesnt know what nika is just yet so im not counting him, Kuma and Bonney are the only 2 i can think of and ig the gorosei

[last estuary]

Giants, slaves, people from skypeia etc etc

[tough inlet]

right giants forgot about that, slaves???, skypea????

[last estuary]

Yeah and many more

[tough inlet]

huh cool

[last estuary]

You should read what I wrote originally to get a better understanding of it.

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, power scaling, bounty predictions or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description. Posts here must be in paragraph form, preferably with evidence, not just a one line open question.

[tough inlet]

nothing to suggest so

[steady prism]

@half fossil a one-line comment isn’t a theory. Whenever you have some in-story evidence/reasoning to support it, feel free to repost.

[winter vortex]

hm

i like this idea- but i mean the only fruit we know this has happened with has been luffy's gum gum fruit. There could be a chance the WG has other rare fruits- and is trying to experiment with them- but idk honestly

[steady prism]

Well Vegapunk has already told us that the Gum-Gum fruit never actually existed in older texts of the Devil Fruit encyclopedia. Yeah the WG have a bunch of rare dfs (like Boa’s, Bonney’s, Kuma’s, Kaido’s, etc). Perhaps they’re safeguarding it so that it will lose power and eventually expires.

[last estuary]

When you say that, you're talking about the gorosei purposely hiding the fruits true name, correct? It's completely understandable because Nika is everything they stand against. Like I said, I was talking about how vegapunk's hypothesis is true that desire births df, and if people no longer desire, the fruit will cease to exist.

[steady prism]

I do like this theory because it’s a more elegant answer to “where’s the Toki-Toki no mi right now?” It’s better than imagining it respawned 700-800 years ago

[modest skiff]

I've got a cool theory I've been sitting

T-BONE IS INFILTRATING CROSS GUilD

Sanji’s Kindness and the Starvation of

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[wanton edge]

brother.....

[steady prism]

@grave hamlet yeah no, use #manga for one-line takes friend. Please read the channel’s description

[cobalt bronze]

double u

[remote coral]

we all gonna pretend like this never happened?

[fleet dagger]

T-bone is dead, no?

[steady prism]

^ @past jackal same to you. Feel free to discuss it in the proper thread

Not the place for “what if” ideas

[worthy thorn]

i forgot about the T-Bone walking corpse bit. that would be interesting. id be kinda sad if they did another fake-out death though

[steady prism]

Use #manga-serious for that

[viscid bolt]

He was supposedly killed by some random old citizen, who turned his bounty in to the crossguild. He was always extremely empathic, so he might have sacrificed himself for that guys' family, but we don't know for sure

[winter vortex]

.. can devil fruits actually expire? the thing we know about them is the fact that they will come again later at some point, we just don't know when

[west folio]

oh right

[fleet dagger]

oh, i thought his death was confirmed. Thanks for the info

[steady prism]

This is only true assuming Vegapunk’s theory on dfs is correct. I don’t think it’s too far fetched especially with Luffy’s df being renamed in recent times

[hot elbow]

Idk if there’s any evidence of this. The presumtpion feels more like his crime was against the WG. If his crime was against Joyboy, who would punish him? Feels. Most zunesha exposition we get only really suggests they were/are friends with joyboy and were waiting for joyboys return. Also the implication of crime to me suggests that he did something illegal or morally terrible not just did something (betray joyboy) which would be considered a dick move

[hot elbow]

Ye he also could transform like all other Zoans. And would get weakened in sea water probably.

[hot elbow]

There’s no evidence of this, in fact there may be counter evidence. Luffys fruit and ace’s fruit were both sitting around for considerably long periods of time that most fruit would typically “go bad”. Now that’s not saying it’s not possible that DFs can also spoil but it just takes years or something, but nothing we know suggests that. Also even if they did “spoil” we know they taste bad to begin with so maybe that’s part of the reason why (spoiled) there’s no evidence a spoiled fruit (if possible) would not work as well.

[steady prism]

….it’s not about it spoiling like a regular fruit. It’s about its existence and ability to reincarnate hinging on ppl still believing in it

[hot elbow]

Ah misunderstood what you were saying sry

I don’t really agree with your read on dfs existing based on people’s belief tho. My impression was they are created based on belief, once a fruit exists we have v no evidence that let can “expire” or be destroyed

[steady prism]

That’s true there really isn’t any evidence to support it. It’s just an extrapolation of VP’s theory on dfs. Hopefully we get more answers soon

[hot elbow]

ye i hear you. i went and pulled the quote just for discussion sake/remind myself what was even said

[deft prawn]

stupid theory but maybe as they dont know where the 4th road poneglyph is, they do a full lap and ask crocus where to find it, and then they also reunite with laboon and everybody else who they've told they will meet again, pick vivi and yamato and then go to the 4th poneglyph

it will be 100% in elbaf tho

[last estuary]

The man marked by flames has the last road poneglyph

[deft prawn]

i just searched the wiki, it said that the poneglyph was stolen from the gyojin island, so maybe they doing a full lap to go to the gyojin island and ask where they could find man that stole the poneglyph from them (?) (and also put mugiwara flag)

[last estuary]

Fishman island is already under Luffy's
If i remember it correctly, we don't really have the exact time frame on when the road poneglyph was moved/ stolen from the fmi. Last time we saw it was during the Oden's flashback. All we know is that the man marked by flames has one according to BB, and it's the last one because we already know of the other 3 (Zou, WCI and Wano).
Yeah, as if a thief would divulge their location if he did truly stole the poneglyph 🤣

[robust warren]

Playing devils advocate, but we dont need someone on the island to know where the guy is in order for going back to fishman island to be a plausible. Just knowing who the guy is or what he looks like could be useful information in finding him. Seems unlikely that someone could steal a whole poneglyph without anyone at least seeing what he looks like. More so we know that fishman island is supposed to be destroyed soon because of sharly's prediction and we also know that BB will likely know that shirahoshi is an ancient weapon soon. Any of those reasons or a combination of them would be more than enough excuse for the SHs to return the fishman island.

[pseudo valley]

marijou castle gonna go to the shitters. Making the all blue

[last estuary]

Yeah, I can see them returning to fmi to save them. There's also the Shyarly's vision to be played. Oda has gone to great length to stress that her visions have never been wrong so there's that...
Regarding the information on finding the man marked by flames, the name alone is a dead giveaway, no? He's covered in burn scars hence why Aokiji replies with, "I do...?"
Besides, it's a vast world and seems difficult to find someone with description alone imo

[robust warren]

Yeah true, i mean we as readers aren't even sure who it is and we know every character in the series so far lol.
As far as "marked by flames" do we know if that actually means he is someone with severe burns or is that just the general assumption right now? Could it be a red herring, like maybe its someone with a flame tattoo or maybe its a metaphor?

[last estuary]

Could be an assumption but I'm just going by their conversation and it seems that he indeed has burn scars

[deft prawn]

maybe someone who fought the magma guy from the marines (not aokiji) or just the magma guy himself

[robust warren]

gotcha

[last estuary]

There's two candidates right now. Saul and that warlord Ace beat. But nothing is proven so take it with a grain of salt.

[robust warren]

yeah just off the top of my head (for metaphors) i was thinking maybe it could be someone who survived a bustercall or someone who had someone close to them die in a bustercall. Like saul is supposedly alive maybe its him?

[deft prawn]

its gonna be saul for sure, road poneglyphs should need to be in powerful lands where they can be protected and elbaf is the perfect place for that

[last estuary]

Personally I don't think so because the man marked by flames is said to be indefinitely sailing on a pitch black ship, meanwhile Saul is hiding in Elbaf.

[deft prawn]

we do know saul survived the buster call, i think vegapunk mentioned it

[robust warren]

oh yeah thats a good point then, i knew that he was supposed to be linked to the black ship, but i didnt know he was indefinitely sailing on it. I should go back and reread the last 100 chapters or so while we are waiting on the next chapter. keep myself busy and brush up on recent events

[deft prawn]

black ship could refer to his ship being burnt by the flames and now being charred

and you can create whirpools in the sea if you throw smth like a cannonball with enough force (a giant could i guess)

[last estuary]

Not a science guy but it would only cause a huge splash, not a whirlpool though, no? Lafiette said the giant whirlpool is likely df related.

[gusty bone]

Speaking of whirlpools, there’s a theory that the one that nearly killed Luffy in chapter one was created by Imu. An Umibozu, or sea-priest, is a creature from Japanese folklore that turns calm waters into chaotic waters whenever they arrive. The only way to thwart one is to offer up a bottomless barrel and escape while it is confused. Chapter one has Luffy sailing calm waters when suddenly a whirlpool appears, and he survives by climbing inside a barrel. Umi backwards is Imu, so perhaps there’s a connection

[last estuary]

Good theory but why would Imu do that

[gusty bone]

Luffy is a devil fruit user, claiming to be the future king of the pirates. Perhaps the sea took that personally, and Umi literally means sea in Japanese, so Imu might actually be the sea itself in human form. Or Imu has an Imibozu devil fruit power, and can summon them at will? Images of Umibozu depict them as large black figures with big eyes, vaguely resembling both Imu and the giant sea monster people from Thriller Bark.
And I haven’t read anything about this part but it could also help explain why Imu is in charge of the five elders; they could be Umibozu in some way. Their beast forms all appear to be solid black, and massive

[last estuary]

While I do like your theory regarding the umibozu and imu connection. I still don't get why Imu would specifically target Luffy then?

[gusty bone]

Perhaps Imu, or the sea, targets all headstrong devil fruit users at one point or another. Or, Imu/Umi recognized his hat.

[graceful coral]

The iron giant has joyboys soul in it because joyboy was already rubbery without eating a devil fruit so joyboy could of eaten the soul soul fruit and given life to the iron giant explaining why the iron giant awakens when luffy gear 5 awakens and this is my first theory

[slender fulcrum]

Cause apparently people doesn't have this ability nowadays? Devil's fruit seems pretty fixed and there are no new one so in the end maybe it was just D clan that bolstered people's dream and allowed them to create power they wanted

[tough inlet]

Kuma is a prime example that this is not true imo

[nocturne siren]

Nah I think once he goes Gear 5/Joyboy he emits a certain energy which powers the iron giant. As Vegapunk mentioned he couldn't replicate the energy it originally ran on.

[pure raven]

So it's a mech

[lean acorn]

Naw hell naww 😭

[tepid rampart]

Re: vegapunks anything can become a devil fruit...do you think it's possible for a previous user to imprint their soul on a devil fruit given conditions? like if enough people willed it? If so, I feel like Ace is a prime candidate to become a part of the flame flame fruit like joyboy is a part of the nika fruit

[late anvil]

Well this is a big theme in one piece, inherited wills. So in a sense this has already happened without the need for df

[tepid rampart]

yah but i'd expect to see some level of interaction between the fruit and user in the future. like when we see the eye in the anime, mid-gear 5 transformation, luffy reacts to it and starts laughing. i think we're going to have an ace speaks with sabo scene

[lunar wren]

What are the chances that the final island becomes the Rocks Pirates vs Garp and Roger? The rocks pirates consisted of many uncordinated strong pirates like black beards crew vs Roger's team which would be the straw hats, and Garp which would be led by Koby and Sword. They have a very similar role in this as prior wars. Koby leads the new navy under a better regime without the world government. Luffy becomes pirate king. Garp and Rogers never hated eachother and were the "king" of their respective roles.

[lunar wren]

I thought of it as if the will of the people that made the fruit and your will match you will go to higher levels with the fruit becauze you're both synced. and thats how awakening happens you have made the real dream of the fruit come true. Thats why some people who don't vibe with their fruits seem weak

[graceful coral]

true true

[tepid rampart]

so we know that the fruit has will. i think sometimes the fruits are inanimate or natural things, but it's clear that some are not, and have someone's will. Like your willing could be sync'd with your element / animal, but maybe at a certain point that connection and will is passed onto a future user who is able to tap into that shared will

[graceful coral]

So there is the possibility of it being powered by supreme king haki.

[slender fulcrum]

??

[pure raven]

[deft prawn]

probably is just powered when hearing the drums of liberation just like zou felt more alive when he heard them, it seems that they have some kind of power

[unique gull]

Do you think vegapunk is somewhat still alive? After all, his brain wasn’t part of his body

Considering that the satellites are still active autonomously even if vegapunk is dead, they probably still have access to punk records. What makes a person is the brain, if the satellites are still alive, by that extension, vegapunk is still alive

I feel like the remaining satellites will make another satellite body, in which vegapunk will control

That’s if vegapunk still exists in punk records

[craggy lotus]

No

[sullen goblet]

hes a scientist

ofc he is alive, he knows how to keep himself alive, atleast once he would have thought that the marines betrayed him, so he wont die that early, he'll probably give more info abt sun god nika and then die

[craggy lotus]

No

[brazen current]

on ussops map it was draw with X's on his eyes but we still got some satelites alive so i guess it counts

[uneven sapphire]

the fact that law can give up his life to save someone implies that in the future law will probably sacrifice himself for luffy in the end fight

[inland cobalt]

That isn’t what it does it grants eternal youth not regeneration

[steady prism]

@craggy lotus if you have nothing constructive to say besides “no”, then don’t say anything. Go to #manga if you’re looking to make short quips like that

[steady prism]

Given the nature of this channel, could you please elaborate? What does the surgery mean to you? What “end battle” are you referring to? How does this tie to what Donflamingo said to Law in Dressrosa?

[harsh jacinth]

Making someone immortal at the end fight is like an instant win for the strawhat 😅

[craggy lotus]

I don't think luffy would like to be like that rather he(law) should be able to take away the powers of opponents at the end

[pure raven]

so whats going on

[craggy lotus]

Law's future

[uneven sapphire]

like at the end of one piece oda said theres gonna be an end battle so i feel like law might sacrifice himself to save luffy when hes dead of injured heavily

[alpine wing]

haki is more powerful or devil fruit because barrier barrier fruit earlier user creat barrier but oden cannot break it and oder is very powerful haki user proof :- at that time and he fight equally to kaido when kaido is in his prime

[harsh jacinth]

Hhhhmmm maybe advance Haoshoku could defeat it. Am pretty sure it could be destroy by it.

[deft prawn]

The fact that people know that the Ope Ope no Mi can give someone eternal youth is because people have seen it happen, and the first person to receive such treatment is probably Imu

[deft prawn]

--
The One Piece is The great kingdom, the one that Clover mentions in his theory that existed 800 years ago before it was wiped out by the world government (or so they thought, i believe the rulers of the kingdom somehow managed to "hide" the kingdom itself), when he was about to reveal that the name of the kingdom was "The Great Kingdom of One Piece" he was shot

[slim cedar]

How does that explain Roger calling whatever he found the One Piece?

[brisk hamlet]

what is oda cooking now ?

kizaru is k\low lvl compared to nika

[wary root]

Final arcs coming fast is what it means in my opinion and we’re gearing up for more direct conflicts with the holy knights and gorosei instead of the conflicts coming from marines and cipherpol

[clever haven]

This information that vegapunks were about to give maybe about the three weapons including the fight in the god valley and also about the hidden mysteries of the world government

[iron current]

@maiden pewter this is the channel where people present theories with hints and evidence and discuss them, if you just wanna chat #manga or #also-manga should be your go to channels

[deft prawn]

People theorized that Law would sacrifice himself in order to give luffy the eternal youth, but what if its the complete reverse? Law sacrifices himself in order to TAKE AWAY The eternal youth / immortality of the Gorosei / Imu

[gritty heath]

Guys I've been watching some Black beard theories and clips on youtube and it came across to me that no one seems to suggest the one thing I have personally theorized about the Dark dark fruit.

We've been told that devil fruits have their own wills, and that the Nika one even "evaded" the WG from acquiring it.

I also always wondered why did Teach not just ask thatch for the fruit considering he seemed to be a good guy and its quite possible teach would have gotten the fruit by some effort.

But after blackbeard told that his fruit is the most "evil" one and that he deeply researched it before acquiring it... I got a theory that the Fruit itself maybe requires murder as a thing to be done for anyone willing to truly acquire it. Maybe the moment teach saw the fruit he knew that it was his fate to murder rather than ask for the fruit

Would like to know your thoughts or if its something everyone thought already

[restive swallow]

After Caribou meets Blackbeard with the information of Shirahoshi being Poseidon and Pluton being in Wano. Will he not just Kidnap Shirahoshi and destroy Wano and claim Pluton…. Just a thought but everything seems to be lining up for him…. Won’t he be unstoppable, what can anyone do to challenge him at that point?

[last estuary]

Only zoan fruits are said to have a will of their own.
It was the ship's rule that whoever found a fruit, eats it.

[tepid rampart]

different things happen when you imprint your haki onto an item. When you imprint a strong enough amount of your armament haki on a weapon, it becomes a black blade. when you imprint a strong enough amount of conquerer's haki on a devil fruit, your soul and will is imprinted onto it, and carries on to the next user. when you use a strong enough observation haki, it imprints an image or sight of the future onto another person

i wanted to say it unlocks the sharingan, but that scene from marineford w mihawk & luffy really sticks out to me and invalidates the inevitable special shonen eyeballs

[clever socket]

guys i have a theory about the five elders, what if they are satan, hear me out so remember when brook went to that one village during the time skip and they were trying to summon satan, saturn did almost that exact ritual to summon the remaining 4 elders so what if the 5 elders are satan, ik it sounds dumb but knowing one piece it would make sense.

also to back up this theory they are considered demons but the problem is if they are satanic then what is imu? like what could be the leader of satan?

[icy raptor]

i think that was just to show how demonic they are

[clever socket]

ohhh if that’s the case then it would make more sense for imu to be satan yk? like the leader of the demons n shit, no im convinced imu’s satan 😭🙏

[icy raptor]

agree to disagree

[clever socket]

i mean yeah it is a bit of a stretch but would be cool yk

[mossy lintel]

what if Blackbeard is similar to luffy in where they are both convinced their fruits are something else but they are actually god-like fruits?

[eager frost]

nah they don't need to be satan or devils. ppl see evil they are not used to and blame it on the devil but reality is humans are more than capable of even worse evil. Gorosei/CD/Imu doing all this shit while being humans is a lot more impactful than anything else

[clever socket]

i doubt they’re human tho yk, for them to be immortal and be able to do all this summoning shit and having abnormal devil fruits and being at the top of the world, i doubt they’re human tbh

[eager frost]

their DFs aren't that abnormal, remove the worm and replace it with Lucci and he would fit right in. TP stuff could be either some tech or a df ability. there is literally a df that can tp after all.
basically there isn't anything rn to suggest they aren't humans

[hardy trench]

they don't consider themselves humans, are seemingly immortal, were summoned through magic circles, have weird powers like telekinesis and telepathy, have the awakening sash in what appears to be their full zoan forms rather than just their awakened forms, and are stuffed full of demonic motifs i don't think it's exactly out of the question for them to be something else

[eager frost]

once again how they talk is exactly what you would expect from the ppl that stands above the lot(CDs) that believe they are better than normal humans.
seemingly immortal and weird DF powers? look no further than Laws df. look at all the things he can do with his DF so what's stopping another DF being capable of similar or even better feats?

[last estuary]

Black blade was a metaphor for hardness. Mihawk didn't mean it literally if we're talking about this.
Conqueror haki/ df is based on??? Please give an example.
Also could you show me an example for the observation haki? Or do you mean future sight in general?
Are we talking about Mihawk's eyes? That it possesses a special power or some sort? Maybe. But there are other characters who has the same eyes like Hakuba/ Cavendish, Imu, Zunesha etc etc.

[torn oyster]

This is a very crack/break week theory, but I think that the Sunny will fly. Not flying like Coup De Burst, but flying as if it were sailing in the air. One Piece is structured like a JRPG, with enemies getting stronger as the hero progresses, Luffy gaining more party members/crewmates, and those crewmates fitting different roles (ex. Zoro is the low magic, high damage guy, Nami is a mage, Chopper is a cleric, etc)
In Dragon Quest, the grandpappy of JRPGs, players usually get something to fly across the whole world near the end of the game. This is usually something supernatural, such as ||Zenithia in DQV and the Godbird's Soulstone in DQVIII. Sometimes, however, like in DQIV, the player uses something normal to fly, like a hot air balloon|| The Straw Hats will probably need some other form of transport to get to Mary Geoise, much like how at the end of many DQ games you gotta fly to the final dungeon. Either Uranus is going to be used to upgrade the Sunny, or the Vegapunks that flee to Elbaf will help Franky upgrade the Sunny. Either way, seeing the Sunny fly to Mary Geoise will be hype.

[cyan widget]

I like that theory, I could definitely see Oda paralleling the Sea Train breaking into Enies Lobby with the Going Merry and Mary Geoise, maybe destroying the throne room in the process

[molten radish]

I think the lore of Long Ring Long Land is crazily overlooked. We learn that the sea levels submerge the lower parts of the island, leaving the higher parts above the waves. The strawhats then go to Water Seven where Aqua Laguna, a giant wave, that keeps increasing in size each year. The waves are so strong the residents of the city have to temporarily evacuate and the only way to travel the seas is on the sea train. Then we get to Enies Lobby where there's a giant hole in the ocean with perfect, sunny weather. This is one-to-one with what happened to Lulusia. Imu nuked the island, leaving nothing but a giant hole. The rest of the world suffers earthquakes, crazy waves, and tsunamis. The beaches of Moroiro were submerged because of the water levels. The main conflict of One Piece will come from Imu nuking island after island as information about the truth of the world spreads beyond what he can control. This is make the water levels raise significantly until the entire world is submerged. Enies Lobby is sunny because its the eye of the storm. We can speculate that its where God Valley used to be before the world government nuked it with Uranus. Its a bit of a stretch, but this might be why there was a giant boat in Fishman Island. Joyboy tried to save everyone from the flooding with an arc, just like Noah from the Bible.

[drowsy copper]

Noah thing is more than a stretch, since you can't fit everyone in the world in that ship. But I agree that LRLL has an overlooked Lore and that at some point it will be explained why Enies Lobby has a giant hole on it. I also hope it gets explained where that water flows and why the sea-level doesn't decrease if water keeps flowing inside a hole in the ocean without ever filling it, I believe that somehow that waters goes back to the ocean somehow, and that Enies Lobby is there to prevent adventurers to try exploring the giant hole somehow.
Who knows, maybe at some point they will say that the knock-up stream used to reach the Skyisland of Skypiea is the after effect of the water flowing inside the hole of enies lobby, and that in the world there are a lot of knock-up stream that happens becuase of the water flowing in that hole and that's what causes the Agua laguna on water seven. A lot of available options tbh

[valid pasture]

bruh has the list been revised or something yet, I thought you said the theory could be looked upon and potentially added #manga-theories message

[scarlet urchin]

Now that we know a devil fruit power can permanently alter islands, I wouldn't be surprised if Long Ring Island actually used to be a boxing ring created by Joy Boy, where he fought someone else important in a duel. That would explain why things naturally tend to stretch there.

[deft prawn]

imu is a lunarian that ate the goddess of the moon fruit

[slim cedar]

@deft prawn Do you have any more evidence or a response to this or are you just posting shower thoughts with no backup?

[deft prawn]

i didnt understand your question that's why i didnt respond

[slim cedar]

According to this theory you posted you said the One Piece is the Ancient Kingdom. How could Roger have found that on laughtale as an item that made him & his crew laugh

[deft prawn]

It is not specified that what roger read is the one piece, it is what he found in laugh tale that is. As what did roger read, i like to believe it is an original giant poneglyph that tells the story of the world (and that the cut ones that are all over the world are just mere copies of parts of it)

[upper gust]

There was a theory linked here previously that there is an underworld in one piece below the sea. That these holes flow into that world, and that ships like Noah may have been what was used to bring those people to the surface. That may be where the d's (called devils but are not necessarily devils) come from, and could potentially play into Blackbeard being basically Cerberus and other stuff. I believe they also used that because there are 4 road poneglyphs that it means that Height or Depth will be involved in the coordinates of the One piece and that it could mean that raftel is in the sky or below the sea. If there was not an issue of depth/height then you would only need 3 stones to navigate on a fairly flat ocean.

[molten radish]

maybe the arc is more of a last ditch effort from joyboy. a worst case scenario that perserves a few people from each of the races of the world. it would explain why the arc is unfinished. it was the last resort so the fishmen didn't prioritze building it

[fading spade]

g

[low magnet]

One small thing about your Enies Lobby is where God Valley was theory. God Valley was in the West Blue, not the Grand Line

[molten radish]

Good point. I completely forgot to factor location into it. I think this further cements the flooding theory, since it shows that Imu/World Government have done this before and they have no qualms doing it again. Vegapunk's research leading to the possible end of the world plays into his stance as the Einstein/Oppenheimer of the series. His goal is pure but his actions lend themselves to evil. His "ends justify the means" (working with the world government for the sake of funding) approach and his naivety (believing the pacifistas would be used to help people) led to his downfall and possibly the downfall of the entire world.

[wary root]

Daks Sake lafrotale video does a great job with some long ring long land (LRLL) lore. But one thing he pointed out that I hadn’t seen pointed out here yet was that the one piece could be in the center of LRLL.

It makes sense too because the tide (same tide we saw at water 7) would make it so that you could only get to the middle once a year making it really hard to get to, the island forms a crown, it seems to be a possible X marks the spot based on the other poneglyphs, and joyboy had potentially used his awakening around that area (e.g., the trees and animals being elongated likely being from joyboys awakening from a big battle like punk hazard and so the awakening remained)

[brazen sigil]

Anyone know who the silhouette guy in kaidos backstory is

[wary root]

Are you talking about that panel where the silhouette says: Big Trouble Kaido!! come with me now! We’re going to god valley!

If so I’m pretty sure that’s big mom. It’s the same hat as when she was on the rocks crew.

[plain barn]

What if Rogers laughed not as a reaction to what he saw. But to see if he was the real Joy Boy.

[steady prism]

@brazen sigil Since this is just a question, please ask that in #manga-serious

@plain barn do you want to elaborate?

[plain barn]

Well I was just thinking why would Rogers laugh when he got to LaughTale. And maybe it’s because Oden read them the story about Joy Boy through the ponegylph

And when he read that Joy Boy is the white warrior who brings joy and laughs . He wanted to see, that maybe he potentially might be Joy Boy.

It’s known from the buccaneers that whoever knows about Nika, knows that he’s supposed to bring laughter.

Idk what source you have, but I know he’s coming. Oda wouldn’t add important lore involving him for no reason

[steady prism]

Do you want to elaborate?

[modern wraith]

Is it oda

[plain barn]

Think about it. A ANCIENT CITY on the moon !! With technology that’s super advanced. That’s what Vegapunk was talking about.

Enel was a power source for the city. They will be bringing that up and explaining that WAY MORE soon

[steady prism]

I don’t disagree Wok, but I’m just gonna have to ask that we take the Enel discussion to #manga-serious . They didn’t want to make it a proper theory, and that’s fine

[plain barn]

That’s cool. I was just going off what someone else said lol

[steady prism]

Mhm, and it wouldn’t have been that hard to use what you said to jumpstart a dope theory but

[modern wraith]

Ways how i know oda foreshadowed giant nami and why my theory is guaranteed (im totally not stretching my luck here!) :

Big mom was a fake giant who had Zeus, now nami has Zeus and is going to be a fake giant

Nami will now be closer to the sky's where she's closer to clouds and can use Zeuses abilities more

Nami needs a buff, ik a lot of ppl are gonna be like "but she got zeus" and here's the problem, that doesn't change the fact that if she fought anyone rn in cross guild, shanks crew or the blackbeard pirates crew shed die in 2 seconds, this why most straw hats do need that buff in elbaf: nami, usopp, robin hell maybe even brook

And Oda drew it in a color spread and those forshadow alot so yeah he's telling us nami will become giant for sure (I'm not coping it could potentially happen given the evidence and also oda likes his woman big 😭)

[plain barn]

You guys think potentially Cross Guild can get bigger ? Like more people will join their alliance, maybe Doffy ? And they would side against Luffy and the Strawhats. Then that means in a war against pirates, revolution armies and the world government, there could possibly be more parties

[median hemlock]

theres fodder in every pirate crew not everyone need to have op power to be part of the crew.

[modern wraith]

True but the problem is how much ppl in the straw hats are fodder, like there's being yonko fodder and there's also feeling like you're still fodder even if we put you in paradise and it's over half this crew

[dreamy hull]

not necessarily a giant but maybe a giant illusion
She already shown to be able create quite varied and bigger than herself illusions back in Water 7 vs Kalifa

[night comet]

How likely is it that these 5 elders have received the "immortality surgery" from Law's devil fruit or could their ability to seemingly not perish be due to their devil fruit.

I find it strange that if it was a devil fruit ability, then all 5 devil fruits would have the same ability? But if it is due to the Op-Op fruit that Law has, then I have a hard time envisioning how anyone can beat all 5 of them.

[rugged ember]

An insane amount of haki as basic as it sounds can still break through the immortality surgery as it's a devil fruit effect, which have been proven be to broken by haki. I hope it's something else to avoid the classic just willpower troupe.

[night comet]

Okay, I never considered it in the perspective that haki could overcome the immortality surgery due to it being a devil fruit ability. Although that would seem to defeat the point of “immortality” since anyone with a certain level of haki could overcome that ability.

[rugged ember]

In that case I think it's similar to overcoming the person haki rather than just the effect. So in the most basic idea of haki it would just flat out multiply the required haki do lasting damage to the person. Which in the case of elders might just be basically impossible. I still hope there more to it. ATM there is so much still unclear about that surgery or similar potential post death effects of devil fruits. Like Boa and the theory about chop fruit being used on the poneglyphs

[modern wraith]

Im crying because you could be right and I don't want you to be because I want giant nami so I'm going to keep believing and hoping for that (no offense ofc)

[pale stirrup]

[tidal whale]

That is not even Oda...

[lavish raft]

that totally is oda ,creator of the famous zelda series

[icy grove]

i don't know if somebody already speculated this but don't you think that all of what's happening now on egghead was calculated by vegapunk from the start ? by that I mean that even ( maybe? ) yorke is in the coup, stella is a genius and it seems too good to have all 5 gorosei at the same place and all those events unfolding neatly.

Stella's goal would be to expose the gorosei and imu to the rest of the world by visio-denden mushi or something similar, to get justice for ohara. They've been waiting for luffy to get on the island to start their plan.
Yorke was already getting the world gov's attention by capturing cipher pol agents for months, and to be frank her plan to become a celestial dragon seems a bit strange, there doesn't seem to be a reason for her to do that if i'm not mistaken ? Vegapunk also knew that boney will encounter the pacifistas/seraphims at one point, he gave her the highest authority to control them and her father, almost as if he somehow knew that a gorosei would show up while she was present.
Even the old robot is on his island, Vegapunk was aware of nika's power and his link to the void century ( that's also where we first see vegapunk when he was moving in space/time .. ? and got stuck to the robot )

Imo it seems strange that he would risk the wg coming to egghead as it would mean its destruction, why risk the loss of all those scientific advancements and invaluable relics/proofs of the past ? because he knew, and all the books and knowledge from Ohara are safe in elbaf, at least for now.

[untold lance]

imo the thing missing from VP 5d chess theories like that is knowledge that this would occur. If the straw hats didnt show up, vp would have been quickly executed by rob lucci and there probably would be no need to bring the gorosei themselves to stop the message if cp0 has solid control over the island and seraphim.
York's reason to want to be a celestial dragon is the simplest reason, greed. It's not hard to imagine why someone would want to be at the very top of the world's food chain.

[icy grove]

yeah I mean it's evident that they were waiting for luffy's arrival, he's the best bait and well he's nika ( if you don't also count the 'main character plotline' )
As for yorke I know that greed was the reason, but it seemed a tad simple, that's why I thought she was up to something else at first, and thought about the chess theory later x)
But frankly it doesn't invalidate the theory imo, we can still say that vegapunk knew about it to some extent.

[potent lintel]

I think laughtale is on the moon and enel knew about it all along, he knows everything, even the fact that luffy is a god after he saw that he was made of rubber (he obviously knows the lore and that he was the sun god hence the hilarious enel meme) after that he just pretended to be defeated by luffy and went to the moon to wait for him, we’re gonna either see luffy vs enel on the moon or they’ll team up

[steady prism]

I'd say due to York's disposition, it makes sense why she'd want to become a CD. Out of all the Vegapunks, her motivation make sense.

I've said this before, but it would be very interesting if Punk Records was the one orchestrating this, not Stella. As if Punk Records has become its own sentient being among the satellites separate from Stella. Perhaps it was the one that fed Shaka the need to call Dragon, nudged York to defect, and the Stella to ask Luffy for help in escaping. Moreover, I don't think Vegapunk is losing any information since most of his technology is based on what the Ancient Kingdom has done in that past. And that knowledge is preserved in Elbaf.

What doesn't really fit is (as Qbz said) how he would have known Luffy would arrive. We saw Law, Kidd, and Luffy play a game of Rock Paper Scissors in ch1056. How could Vegapunk be waiting for Luffy's arrival when it wasn't even guaranteed he would arrive there? That's the biggest missing piece I think. "Main Character Plotline" is probably the simplest answer to this like you said.

[steady prism]

What makes you think Enel knew the sun god nika lore? I don't recall any mention of sun god lore in Skypiea.

[potent lintel]

Read skypiea again

[steady prism]

Well you're the one stating Enel knew everything, including the location of the One Piece and Sun God Nika. I'm just asking if you could share the in-story evidence for that

[potent lintel]

The sun god was first mentioned in skypiea so the gods lore has to be known by the « god » of the place it was mentioned in, laughtale being on the moon is already a theory that is very well substantiated, i just added the part that if enel can go there he must know about it (we see him reading moon lore in cover stories)

[steady prism]

Ah you mean when the Shandorians used to do their sacrifices how they said "sun god" among the 4 other gods in Noland's flashback. I don't recall if Shandorians called Luffy a Sun God during Skypiea arc, but it's definitely possible Enel eavesdropped and overheard their past. I don't know how Enel would have learned about the "Nika" part or even the description of that df's powers. But sure hypothetically the Birkans may have had their own secrets.

What was the laughtale being on the moon bit? Is it the whole 'turn the straw hat symbol upside down and you get a ufo'?

[potent lintel]

• Loyal followers of the Kozuki clan have crescent moon tattoos.
• The Minks rely on the moon for their Sulong transformations.
• Celestial Dragons wear costumes similar to a space astronaut.
• Oda sent Enel to the moon in the first place.
• here has to be a connection between "Birka" the ancient sky island and "Birka" the strange moon civilization.
• The fact that no one has ever reached laughtale apart from roger, if it was a land island someone would have stumbled upon it, the necessity of the road poneglyphs implies that it’s extremely out of reach so the moon is the best candidate for such a place
• Oda loves to do crazy things to reach places that are thought to be legends by most of the world (just like skypiea) so laughtale being on the moon would be the most over the top thing you can do

Enel knowing about the full nika lore and not just the 4 gods the shandorians worshipped as just gods is a normal deduction after accepting that laughtale is on the moon and enel frequents the place

[steady prism]

Thanks for explaining your points. I agree that there are a lot of references that signify the importance of the moon and it certainly is an out-of-the-box candidate for Laugh Tale. Just a few counterpoints I wanted to bring up:

• Based on Enel's monologue in ch274, my impression was that the sky people originated from the moon (ie fairy vearth), which is why I didn't see any issue with an ancient city on the moon called "Birka". I agree that sky people in general came from the moon, which leads to the potential of inter-planetary shenanigans.

• I still do not agree that Enel knew the full nika lore during his fight against Luffy. Enel doesn't frequent the moon, he has only gone there once (after being defeated by Luffy in ch300). There is no way to deduce Enel knows about Nika without making the assumption that Birkans had an oral history that revealed Nika's existence to a younger Enel.

[inland cobalt]

how can the road ponegliffs point to the moon from the intersection of 4 points on earth ?

Laughtale could easily be hidden in the calmbelt a place near impossible to sail in

[unique coyote]

Or what if Laughtale is a living creature, like a giant turtle as big as Zunisha? That would explain why it's so difficult to find

[steady prism]

There are so many theories on Laugh Tale’s final location that are just as appealing. But yeah Coco is right: why would you need road poneglyphs when you can just fly to the moon? Are the road poneglyphs telling you a location of another Arc Maxim? It’s hard to accept this for me at least

[slim cedar]

Maybe the road poneglyphs point to a specific location that takes you to the moon, similar to the knock up stream

[analog nymph]

was road poneghlyps mean to point at raftel or point to an island that explain where raftel is?

[muted valley]

I believe he couldn't have predicted this all. Just was smart enough to see it comming but everything went beyond his expectations.

Since the wg was checking up on him he knew something was up. Since it happened so many times.

He probably told dragon about his death message as a backup plan. Just to help him.

[icy grove]

i heard about that theory, it came around when we were in the traitor part of the arc and frankly it's very interesting but i'm not sure it's possible.
punk record is more of a giant library than an AI or something that could spawn conciousness, vegapunk wants to share it to the whole world. It was yorke all along that made all unauthorized changes and weird actions.

and well yorke is greed I know, it's her whole personality to want more for herself but it's so out of place, I hope do think there is something more she didn't tell yet . As for how VP knew ? well he said to luffy he knew he'll come when they saw each other for the first time next to the robot ( chap 1065 ) he said it was destiny. ( qbz said that it was missing from those chess theories, not that it didn't make sense if i'm not mistaken ? 🤔 english isn't my first language so maybe i misunderstood )

[icy grove]

not all for sure, yorke happened and he didn't know when luffy would be coming but still i'm sure as you said that he was able to predict a good chunk of it.

I made that theory before we learned about his message, I even said that he was going to somehow broadcast it to the whole world. When it came out in the manga I took this as a form of confirmation so i stuck with the theory x) didn't think about the denden mushis at all though, it's evident now when you know about it

[ancient rapids]

Guys i need an opinion on smthn, so i was up to zou a couple days ago and couldnt watch through it cuz of the god awful pacing but picked up the manga and actually somewhat enjoyed it. Now should I read or watch whole cake bcs people tell me to watch it cuz of the animation and voice acting etc but im also being told to read it so idk what to do. 1 thing pushing me towards the manga is pacing

[dire cobalt]

Ever since I saw the scene of Shanks with the gorisei and that he just randomly decides to claim the One Piece, I’ve been confused. But that is shanks’s whole character. When has Shanks even done anything that isn’t extremely confusing or misleading. Even back in chapter 1, we see shanks mislead us into thinking he’s weak, just to reveal how strong he is. We also still don’t know what happened during marineford for shanks crew, and how he was able to get there so quickly. The whole point of shanks character and crew is mystery. The fact is, whatever shanks had planned is definitely a mystery, and due to Oda’s love to actively mislead the audience, this all works out. Now the question is if oda is trying to mislead us, what is shank’s goal. Shanks has immense knowledge on the world. I even believe when he said let’s claim the one piece, he specifically used the word claim instead of find like everyone else because he has already found the one piece. Also it’s pretty much canon he is of figarland blood. This would give us reason to believe shanks has immense knowledge on concepts like nika and joyboy. Now let’s take a little break from talking about shanks and dig a little bit deeper into Nika. Trust me this is important. The full concept of Nika is very unknown generally in the one piece world. The full concept is pretty much limitless, especially in the hands of someone as stupid as luffy. Nika is basically limitless power at its full potential, and with luffys haki mastery and potential haki abilities, he is not a force to be reckoned with.

Now I think shanks has a good idea of this, and I’m not going to get into it in this full theory right now, but there is definitely more to haki. There is good reason to believe that there is such thing as advanced future sight. The evidence for this comes from the character of shyarly. She can predict the future, and I think she is just naturally gifted with advanced future sight. Now where am going with this? Shyarly was able to use future sight to foresee luffy destroying fishman island, but since her future sight isn’t as good as shanks she could only see him destroying fishman island. Shanks, who has much better future sight, saw luffy destroying the entire world. This is why he warned the Elders about him, and why they all personally pulled up on egghead when they found out luffy was there. This also explains why Shanks is going to claim the one piece, because he’s scared if luffy finds it he will unlock the full potential of Nika and destroy the world.

[icy grove]

try it ! for me whole cake felt like dresrosa and i quit watching the anime because of that x) while others really liked it

[bronze river]

Theres a theory where Joyboy probably died to all 3 Ancient Powers, whereas Luffy is obtaining all 3 Ancient Powers. Cause if we remember Joyboy was betrayed by Imu, the giant robot, Zunesha, and more we haven't seen yet, so it may be possible.

[dire cobalt]

Maybe they each represent a god, and the other 3 betrayed joyboy for some reason

Cause maybe zunesha is earth, giant robot is lightning, imu is forest and joyboy is sun. I’m sure this is a common theory

[pure raven]

There’s a theory that the message from vegapunk is the demonic forms of the gorosei and it will erupt a civil war in the wg between the gorosei and god’s knights

[untold lance]

I'd be shocked if gods knights turn on gorosei, they're high level cd. Also gorosei have no problem showing cp agents and high level marines their demon forms. Even without vp, their forms won't be a secret much longer. And in this magical world where zoan forms are common I don't think their demon forms are even especially incendiary

[hardy trench]

if it triggers a civil war i don't see how it would make the gods knights of all people be the ones to rebel instead of the marines
seeing as the gods knights are also celestial dragons while marines tolerate their rule

[umbral summit]

So shanks poisoned Roger?

[dire cobalt]

No? He just doesn’t want the world destroyed

I don’t think shanks is a snitch, just wants what’s best for the world

[steady prism]

!theories general reminder to keep shorter thoughts/ideas/questions to #manga-serious

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, power scaling, bounty predictions or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description. Posts here must be in paragraph form, preferably with evidence, not just a one line open question.

[polar walrus]

Only reason gol.d.roger teamed with garp for god valley was becasue roger and the rocks pirates had a deal behind the table and garp later found out thats why they dont talk about it alot as garp is traumatised about it and no one else is there to reveal it so garp will possibly never reveal anything about it

[slender fulcrum]

Add to that that Vegapunk sounded like he had no idea of York's move but was already ready to leave the island because he knew that the WG was going to kill him. He had no reason to believe this if he didn't knew that the WG had knowledge about what he did

[digital gulch]

Holy cow

Am I allowed to talk sbout the that chapter? I have a very stoned prediction for 1113 I rlllyyy wanna vent out

[nova granite]

idk but personally i wanna hear it

[steady prism]

Feel free to use #manga or #manga-serious for predictions btw. This channel’s mainly for lengthy theories that have in-story evidence/reasoning

[digital gulch]

ok

[steady prism]

Do you have any in-story evidence/reasoning you can use to support any of these points?

@cosmic hornet please use #manga or #manga-serious for shorter comments like what you said about Mars

[cobalt kayak]

Any good theories lately?

[wind flower]

the channel names yall got are confusing, this channel sounds like a wild dump for random ideas as the name “theory” suggest, but yall got the roles reversed, any BS should go in “serious” and any actual “serious” should go in theories, W logic

[polar walrus]

Yes, if that fight in god valley was serious why did roger and wb have such a friendly clash in odens flashback and also they never really intended to kill each other and if it was such a big war between marines and pirates dont u think atleast 80% of the pirates would have died or maybe not since it was just a deal

[iron current]

If you wanna post wild ass theories, you can go to #manga or #also-manga , if you wanna have a serious talk about OP related stuff you go to #manga-serious and if you have a lengthy theory with evidence aso you come here and when a discussion starts over a theory it also moves to the serious channel

[fallow bobcat]

Here's an updated list of Gorosei stuff
All the Gorosei
Saturn: Gyuuki (牛鬼/ぎゅうき), japanese
Powers: summoning, venom, eye diff, flexible legs
Mars: Itsumade (以津真天/いつまで), japanese
Powers: flight, some kind of beam (sonic?)
Mercury: Fengxi (封豨/fēng xī), chinese
Powers: tusk transmutation, hard skin, flaming body
Venus: Bakotsu (馬骨/ばこつ), japanese, resembles creatures from Scottish and Welsh myths
Powers: ice
Jupiter: Sandworm (サンドワーム [written in "english"]), western
Powers: tunneling, vortex

[shadow ether]

Ain’t it more accurate to say “jointless legs”

[lavish raft]

u forgot speed for venus

[fallow bobcat]

not really a fruit power just stats

[muted valley]

I am saying that him foreseeing his death is different than the situation currently happening.

Dead man switches are common, so it's no surprise he'd release bombshells upon death. However him believing the 5 elders would come and the whole seige was comming is a bit of a stretch. Especially since he didn't expect bonney, the giants, straw hat, or even know about the cp members that were locked up there.

He knew they were onto him and had many decisions that would ensure his death. However the scope of this incident is well beyond vegapunks thoughts. The cp had been doing alot of routine visits and then cp0 of all people comming ment that there was something up.

[steady prism]

@dire cobalt please ask questions (like the one you had about BB) in #manga or #manga-serious

[steady prism]

Nice list, since this more of an observation/analysis, why don’t you repost it in #manga-serious so you can potentially keep updating it

[muted valley]

Dang it quiet

I really thought the last panel would have given us a Lil more information.

I assumed the robot would be there, I guess the reveal is next chapter. I bet the gorsei do shut off the local den den but there's another inside the frontier dome or with stussy. Kinda hope that at least since I want the message to finish. However I do worry it gets cut off right at the start or near end. Leaving a piece of a puzzle piece.

Still what was that noise supposed to be in the last panel?

[wind flower]

It’s definitely finishing, if vegapunk was ready for this moment, he’s not stupid enough to just leave the transponder in open, maybe once you destroy that transponder that was shown in final panel maybe a “LIVE” video starts

Maybe it’s a trap that’s why he was giving 10-15 minutes for gorosie to find that transponder and destroy it, only makes sense other wise it would be very anti climatic

[muted valley]

The whole live feed the island is so smart. But part of me feels like he wouldnt know a battle was there. However that is him assuming that whatever going on at the moment is more important than his message.

I do wonder I'm the entire island aint going to just be a rocket satellite den den mushi with punk records being a way to use it as global free speech in a way the gov can't control.

However there's some trolling in there for sure.

[wind flower]

Well he knew at least CP0 was going to be there to expose him, but I guess since he got the biggest brain he would also suspect gorosie to show up to finish the job, also I’m not sure if Saturn left the island before strawhat or after knowing they were there

[ancient rapids]

oh ur right sorry, i didnt see the theories part

[vast plume]

No worried

[slender fulcrum]

it was before, the anime clarify it. Kizaru was already seen on a ship when Akainu learnt that Luffy was on egghead, so Saturn was most probably on the move too

[slender fulcrum]

Vegapunk is smart, if he said they wouldn't be able to cut the broadcast in 10 min ( and was even saying an hour ) it's because he knew that even a powerful haki sensing being couldn't stop it in time, and he probably included the Gorosei in the mix cause the chance they'd come to stop the broadcast would be high.

I'm guessing mars will be trolled somehow and will have 1 minute to figure how to stop the broadcast when he'll realise that killing the Den Den mushi won't do anything ( or the den den mushi will be protected by layers of shields of the brain itself )

[half badger]

Or he just recording how they trying to destroy the truth in the life steam....

[valid cloud]

Vegapunk may have actually programmed York to act as a saboteur to send the Gorosei off his tracks. Like implanted the idea that the transponder snail with the cone shell was the one broadcasting the feed, but it will actually be a booby trap or bomb.

[lethal oak]

Edison will join the crew

[steady prism]

would you like to elaborate on why you think so?

[steady prism]

could you elaborate a bit more? Lilith mentioned that no matter how much she ordered the mecha shark (ch1061), she could not limit the greed/desires of the creature. Shouldn't that be the same for York? Did Vegapunk (or Punk Records) predict how York would react?

[valid cloud]

I'm assuming as a safeguard. Maybe he put all his greedy tendencies into one spot with the assumption that if any of his pieces would turncoat, it'd be them. The other reason I think it may be the case is Vegapunk would absolutely have a mole in the WG.

[lethal oak]

Stella - likely dead
Pythagoras - dead
Shaka - dead
York - traitor (and will probably be killed when the transponder snail is revealed as a fake)

To join the SH crew that leaves
Atlas, Edison, or Lilith.
I'm guessing 2 of those 3 will also die and leave a single avatar to join.

Lilith is a possibility based on being the first Vegapunk the crew met, but I think she's too much of (yet another) Nami lookalike.
Atlas is possible but moreso exists as an Astro Boy homage.
That leaves Edison who can act as a new cute mascot character as we enter the final saga.

Why I think one will join (or at the very least sail as an honorary member in a Momo/Vivi sense) is because Vegapunk is going to rival Dragon for his bounty when all is said and done. He has nowhere else to go and fills a crewmember void: a genius. Sure, Franky is a great mechanic and Robin is an archeologist, but we don't have a smart SH. I also feel like Vegapunk has been built up way too much to just exist in a single arc.
I also think he will be excited to help with Luffy's secret dream of space exploration.

[rugged python]

My theory begins with observing Enel's moon adventure.
The Enel cover story indicates that space travel is possible in the world of One Piece and has been accomplished.
Based on the information available in the manga, I assume One Piece is set in a post-apocalyptic world. We can infer this from the presence of out-of-place technology like the giant robot from Egghead Island, demonstrating the advanced state of the past 800 years ago.
Considering the level of advancement at that time, it wouldn't be surprising if space travel was invented during the Void Century. This could explain the existence of various races in the world of One Piece, such as Fishmen, Lunarians, and Giants. They might be aliens from different planets, enabled by the technology from 800 years ago.
Why do I believe Franky is the key to "One Piece"?
Consider the differences between Roger's crew and Luffy's crew. While both have swordsmen, doctors, and shipwrights, Roger's crew lacks an engineer at the level of Vegapunk or Franky. Franky spent the two years of the timeskip upgrading himself with Vegapunk's technology, and his experience on Egghead Island could further enhance his skills.
This is significant because "One Piece" might be a lost technology enabling space travel. Roger and his crew laughed when they found One Piece because, along with the treasure, they discovered instructions or stories about this advanced technology, finding it absurd. This is akin to presenting modern technology to people from the Middle Ages, who would likely find it laughable.
Roger's desire to live in Joy Boy's era could stem from the excitement of living in a world full of such inventions.
No one from Roger's crew would be capable of repairing or using these machines, as no one possesses the technological expertise of Franky or Vegapunk.

[native ocean]

On chapter 561 we saw Elmy(one of whitebeard allies) create a golem and it seems like she command it to fight. In zou arc, the anime added that weevil defeated more whitebeard allies than it was shown in the manga, Elmy was one og them. In egghead arc, we saw Prince Grus who has the Gunyo-Gunyo no mi(clay clay fruit), and he can create golems to fight for him. My theory is that Weevil killed Elmy and Grus ate the regenerated fruit. That means anime only scene was cannon.

[muted valley]

This seems like it could be true but well never know unless someone pesters oda in sbs

[inland cobalt]

Stella is confirmed dead we saw his heart stop

[pure raven]

The marines aren’t protectors of the holy land but perhaps they will side with god’s knights very unlikely though

[pure raven]

Their forms are demonic and the holy knights are supposed to be fighting against demons

[hardy trench]

But why would the god’s knights rebel in the first place they know who the elders are and agree with all of their principles

The holy knights and the celestial dragons- the gorosei- determine what’s holy and what’s demonic

[pure raven]

It is time for them to challenge power and get closer to imu. They wouldn’t agree with their demonic ways

There is a theory that shanks will come to egghead island.
A large battle is happening on egghead island.
Shanks is known for stopping large battles
We have not yet gotten the panel that shanks won’t be going to egghead that he said about wano.
Shanks will go to egghead similar to his landing in marineford and he will stop the fighting.

[hardy trench]

But there’s nothing to suggest that, that comes from vibes alone

Given that dragon’s expecting the holy knights to be deployed against the revolutionary army I don’t see it happening

[pure raven]

They could also be unhappy about how the admirals did against the revolutionary army in the holy land

[lethal oak]

I personally like the theory that the One Piece is the world itself with a destroyed Red Line. This would create the All Blue, make it easier to navigate for map making, and reunite us with Laboon.
However I'm 100% with you on space travel. Don't forget also, Celestial Dragons wear spacesuits.

[untold lance]

its not my impression that the average civ has any familiarity with the holy knights, I dont think this expectation exists

[coarse gull]

gm

[slender fulcrum]

York is too valuable to be killed though
I think she'll be enslaved and forced to work for them, which will be a nightmare for the lazy part of Vegapunk she is

[slender fulcrum]

Having an emperor's feat be downgraded by the help of another emperor will weaken Luffy's power and status if he relies on Shanks to get out of a mess.
Shanks wont come. Storywise it's illogical

[pure raven]

Many of them are slaves surely they would know the leaders of the holy land where many of the slaves are

[slender fulcrum]

Plus, I don't see why the Gorosei would stop at shanks when the truth of the world is about to be spilled

[pure raven]

It is perfectly logical because as we know history repeats itself and if they don’t stop then we will be able to see shanks in a fight win either way

[slender fulcrum]

the giant robot will solve this mess

[pure raven]

Shanks is well known as the referee of one piece he will step in unless there is a panel saying otherwise similar to wano

[untold lance]

who do you mean? civilians? A tiny tiny fraction of civilians would have any direct experience of the holy land. And even if they were slaves in the holy land, that wouldnt mean theyre familiar with the gorosei's personal force, the god's knights. And even if they were familiar, there's no real expectation that they're counter to demons unless you're reading that from the name alone

[pure raven]

Yes names are very important in one piece we use these things to find out their roles and rank I am pretty sure slaves were freed when the revolutionary army attacked so the rebellion has a high chance it could get really bad as a 4 sided war on god’s knights from the gorosei, revolutionary army, unfreed slaves, and the marines

[untold lance]

we saw at least garland at likely other god's knights in god valley, participating in the human hunt. Then we saw garland oversee the execution of a CD who helped a fishman. Given that baseline, I dont think theyre gonna have any problem whatsoever with the gorosei having demonic zoans. If theyre the personal force of the gorosei, they probably already know. I think the holy titles are more meant to be self-glorifying and ironic to us as readers in the face of their crulty than to be taken at face value

[pure raven]

But the theory is definitely missing stuff considering it would be safe to say VP would not make them wait that much time for that little bit of information I think he will reveal many of the things the wg were working on and a small piece of history using a line similar to Roger’s. As for the title I believe that it is linked to the holy land the place they are defending and not so much about irony but we have seen Oda do similar things like having a character named smoker who smokes and his devil fruit is smoke

[untold lance]

im just not expecting any sort of morality or conscience from the group whos members we see hunting innocent humans for sport

[pure raven]

I can see a morality that is correct in their eyes but incorrect in the eyes of others but still a morality

[formal marsh]

Has there been any discussions/theories on the setbacks of the Five Elders' power, namely how Sanji said there was a "strange look" in Saturn's eyes? Also, based on their apparent power there's hardly anything to fear, and all the cares they had seem to be a more a pretence than anything else, e.g., Saturn food was tested for poison when he himself seems to be able to produce powerful poisons and is likely (but not granted) immune to them.

[slender fulcrum]

Shanks isnt a Deus ex Machina. He stopped marineford, stopped an admiral at wano, atomized kidd and now you want him to stop the Gorosei ?

At one point you have to have a narrative coherence and avoid a single character overshine all the MC accomplishement by coming to the rescue every single time

[steady prism]

Is this regarding any specific theory or are you just making an observation? Edit: Deleting for now since I haven't heard from you in a day and you've talked elsewhere

Given the nature of this channel, do you have any in-story evidence/reasoning to support that? Edit: it's been over a day and you've been talking elsewhere, deleting for now

[pure raven]

Him stopping a gorosei would have seemed far fetched before but considering their performance on the egghead it is definitely a viable theory

[pure raven]

Would they have let him in to speak and heard him out if he wasn't at least capable of making them regret denying his peaceful request?

[slender fulcrum]

it was because he is a Figarland, and nothing else. He's related to a holy knight so it was more reverence and respect that fearing what he could do

[pure raven]

I'll believe that when I see the Name Box panel saying so.

[slender fulcrum]

So you prefer overhyping him and headcanoning that he could have mopped the Gorosei ...
In marijoie?
With all the admirals there
and Imu
And CP-0
And every other power house... ?
No, the Gorosei didn't act out of fear , but respect.

[pure raven]

This is the basis of agendas if we have no information to work with should we just do nothing?

[wind flower]

CP-0 is a joke

[night crag]

Sapphire Scale disease secret to the void century

The Sapphire Scale disease that Ginny supposedly got from Saturn's experiments got inherited by Jewelery Bonney and the side effect was that she could not come in contact with sunlight. We never really got to see Bonney actually eat her fruit but she got her power suddenly. Oda has said that Bonney's fruit is the Age Age fruit but there was something weird happening when Bonney used her fruit to attack seemingly like Nika would, weird right? Kuma told Dragon about this disease and Dragon directed Kuma to find Vegapunk, I think that Dragon had a small idea what this disease could be and knew that Vegapunk would make great use of what this disease is.

Saturn Jay Garcia is the head of science and defence and much like Vegapunk would have the capability to research into devil fruits and lineage factors and possibly duplicate devil fruit powers. What fruit power do the Gorosei want more than anything? The Nika Nika fruit, and the reason why is the ONE PIECE treasure.

The Sapphire Scale disease is the Saturn and the Gorosei's attempt at synthetically recreating the Nika Nika fruit through lineage factor experiments. But how would they have access to the lineage factor of the Nika Nika fruit? Remember the secret chamber below Mariegeoise where the giant Straw Hat was? Imu from 800 years ago kept some of Joyboy's DNA or lineage factor and froze it in the chamber below to keep it from decomposing so that they could do research and experments to replicate the Nika Nika fruit in order to take control of the true power of the One Piece treasure.

[last estuary]

She didn't get her power suddenly. Saturn conducted experiments on babies including Bonney which led to her getting her ability (see: chapter 1103)
Her ability is limited to the user's perception of said future. She's able to use Nika-like attacks based on the legend Kuma told her. However, she seemily got weaker as she began doubting both, her future and the existence of Nika. (also see: chapter 1103)
I don't think Dragon truly knew about the disease. And also, it seemed very convenient, to refer Kuma to Vegapunk, at that time because:
a. He personally knew Vegapunk
b. And due to the explosion in ph, he had to move his lab and the security would be pretty lax around him, giving Kuma and Bonney safe passage to Vegapunk himself.
I don't think Saturn is capable enough to replicate a devil fruit. AFAIK, he doesn't hold a candle against the likes of Vegapunk's geniuses. So far, we have only known him administrating fluids on infants which works, but the fruit ends up being useless anyway. And he was also experimenting with drugs on Ginny which caused her to develop sapphire scale and was later thrown away like the rest.
The only edge he has against Vegapunk is time, budget and most importantly, a constant influx of test subjects.
Once again, I don't think they're capable of synthetically recreating DF's... or at least, we don't know yet. BUT the whole demonic aura and pentagram summons are exclusive to them...

[rugged python]

They can destroy the red line from the moon with the ancient weapons

[versed jungle]

We do know usopp lies become truth and i feel like this is how he will die.. havent seen anyone talk about this -- Thoughts?

[austere timber]

The giant Robot and franky both play the same role in each crew.

[quick mirage]

Might be possible. Maybe Sniper Island is an actual place and not just in their hearts, he reaches Sniper Island and dies in a final duel against Sniper King

[upper palm]

Maybe van augur kills him

[runic yarrow]

that would make since since he does have the only dream in the straw hats that can be achieved before finding the one piece

[maiden pewter]

hello

[unreal lark]

hi

[short kraken]

Unimportant theory about Spandam's father and why all the CP9 members are in CP0:

So, as you know, Spandam's father Spandine is "high ranking in the world government", but how high ranking is he?
CP9 is the second strongest Cipher Pol cell, and he was apparantly promoted from that. We know the director of both the Marines and Cipher Pol is Commander in chief Kong, meaning the only positions left between chief of CP9 and Commander in chief could be:
• chief of CP0 (in the case where "orders directly from the celestial dragons" might get funelled through him)
• Chief of a handful of CP cells (like for example cell 1-4, though idk if Oda would ever consider having middle managers like that)
• Chief of all cipher pol / CP1-9 (as akin to a fleet admiral)

That begs the question though; if he has such a high position, and he loves his son so much, why did he place him in the same cell as the people who most want him dead?
I think after seeing how difficult it was to capture CP9, Spandine realized:

1. these guys are still a threat to us
2. they want my son dead
3. my son did kinda fuck up
   and so decided that instead of having free-roaming trained assassin coming after his son, he should hire them, give them a promotion, and put his son in there with them as a sort of punishment for buster calling Enies Lobby

TL;DR:
Spandam's father might be in charge of Cipher Pol, and the reason he put his son in a cell with his worst enemies was to punish Spandam and to hinder them from outright killing him

[steady prism]

!theories @fading violet this isn’t the place for random one-line takes. Please use #manga for those kinds of comments

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, power scaling, bounty predictions or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description. Posts here must be in paragraph form, preferably with evidence, not just a one line open question.

[muted valley]

I doubt sapphire scale is from joy boys fruit. More like they're trying go do 100% artifical devil fruits so that they can make them and utilize the slaves in more economic and devious ways.

Kinda like if that mother flame is needed to power whatever weapon. Then they get 100 slaves with the Mera Mera to constantly spew fire to power it. Even though the overexhaustion will kill them.

[steady prism]

I do agree that for zoan dfs it is possible they can "choose" their users (in some capacity) because they have wills. But that can't always be the case, can it? Like even for CP9 (now CP0), I know Lucci and Kaku awakened their dfs but did the df really gravitate towards them? Felt like the WG shipped 2 dfs and Kaku coincidentally ate the Giraffe df. Do you think it's always choosing that far ahead or is it sometimes random?

When Kaido first told us about awakenings in ch1046 ("awakening is what happens when your mind and body catches up with your powers!!"), I was always curious why he knows so much about awakenings but hasn't explicitly shown his own df's awakening. Perhaps it has something to do with his destiny or lineage factor.

[unique gull]

Are devil fruits natural? Or were they manufactured

Also, tbh, zoan fruit awakening is sorta hard to tell if the book doesn’t outright say it’s awakening

[hoary hinge]

Imagine this, even after the den den Mushi was destroyed, but the broadcast was still playing because it was stored in punk records (that's Vegapunks brain right?)

[steady prism]

@hoary hinge cool idea, but please use #manga-serious for predictions like that

@unique gull yeah, a lot of times getting explicit confirmation from Oda is the clearest way we can tell awakenings. Regarding your question on dfs (is it natural or manufactured?), it’s probably best to ask that in #manga-serious where ppl can share their takes on it without needing to make a full-fledged theory about it

[clever lintel]

I think the Lulusia weapon created a hole that reaches far enough to have earth's heat flow out. It acts as a warm front while the ocean acts as a cold front. Thus leading to a phenomenon of a massive vortex that displaces the ocean, leading to sea levels rising.

Perhaps Nami will comprehend how this phenomenon happens and be able to play a part in countering it.

[fathom matrix]

Just had a theory

When Luffy gets back on the Sunny, the Iron Giant grabs sunny or Luffy asks the giant to help it, and what it does is it uses it's last bit of energy to throw the Sunny and they use the Coudeburst to escape

and either the iron giant gets heavely damaged and it gets destroyed right after that happens OR it fights off the gorosei as much as possible

[exotic sun]

This confirms Enies Lobby and Water 7's lower levels sinking...the fact Oda had planned this ever since is insane.

[formal marsh]

Kaido has been at the top of pirates for at least 20 years, knowing about df awakenings even without his own being awakened isn't that surprising. Also, following his comment, while his body is likely up to his df awakening, his mind might not be in sync with its ideals. In the same way, simpler zoan fruits are probably way easier to awaken (with the drawback of risking being overpowered by its will) than myth zoans, which might require a more precise share of ideals (like Luffy's freedom and personality being in sync with what Nika has been described as), due to animals mind simplicity. And maybe zoan users being overtaken by the df will is nothing more than the user personality becoming too much in sync with the df (which might not happen with myth due to being more complex personalities, thus is not noticeable).

[potent lintel]

My prediction concerning the next chapter, vegapunk’s message starts: “this is the truth about this world…this world is gonna meet its end very soon… just like 800 years ago, it’s a planned genocide against everyone but the celestial dragons… this is a conspiracy by the world leader imu (imu lore), yes you heard me right.. there is a world leader.. this world is going to soon meet its end, the one piece.. it is the only way to prevent this, find it, and destroy the red line, it is the only way to stop the great flood…. I onl..” Broadcast cuts off as the gorosei find the real source and cut it off

[full merlin]

not a huge theory, but ive been thinking about the potential shanks and blackbeard fight and im becoming more and more sure that it'll happen on road/loadstar. first off, geographically it makes sense as both shanks and blackbeard were last seen on two of the three islands that all lead to lodestar (elbaf and winner island respectively). Also assuming luffy goes to elbaf next it would give luffy an opportunity too see the fallout/be involved with the of the fight person which I think would be important if luffy wont get to meet shanks in person before his probable death to blackbeard.

Another way that them fighting at loadstar work is its highly implied that something went down on lodestar between the roger and rocks pirates. weather it was a fight or rocks taking something from the island before roger arrived. we know roger arrived at lode star 39 years ago, and 38 years ago roger says "do you know how ive felt this past year" when arriving at god valley to fight rocks. this makes me think that we'll get a bit more of the god valley flashback at the shanks and blackbeard fight, and maybe even a bit of a roger or rocks flashblack (although i would assume none of these could finish outside of shanks, because oda would want to leave some fuel in the tank for blackbeard and luffy's fight)

[valid island]

Hello so you know what i noticed. The generations in One Piece. Sengoku, Garp, Whitebeard, Shiki, Roger are one generation. So now Akainu, Dragon and the Shichibukai that are gone now are next

Actually Akainu is the new fleet admiral from Part 2 so he is the next after Sengoku for now. We know Coby is supposed to take Garp's place but the generation after Akainu is Coby's. And well so much stuff. Btw i think the Final Saga is not the last.

Oda may say this: "Yes i said it is the final arc of One Piece but the story about One Piece revolves around finding it and Whitebeard said once the treasure is found, a war breakd out which means this the final sage to find One Piece and after the final saga the final war. The final saga maybe "One Piece saga".

Why do i want this? Because i love order and egghead mirrors water 7 and mariejois will mirror enies lobby and i think Imu has the One Piece.

So i think this final sage revolves around defeating Imu and the Elders. And after this Akainu and Blackbeard will be the final enemies.

I also think Akainu will have rage mode and awakened devil fruit to suddenly be stronger than Nika.

So in short: My theory is that after Final Saga comes One Piece Saga and that Oda trolls us. Because Whitebeard said the war breaks out when the One Piece is found. I think Imu has it secretly.

Or better said Imu maybe owns Laughtale also why is he kept secret? The 5 elders are his servants but officially they are seen as the Boss. So that Imu can move freely without worry and do his thing. The 5 Elders are de facto leaders after we found out about Imu.

Also Imu is OP as he can vipe out islands so there is a purpose why he is kept hidden.

[celest viper]

This is the One Piece. A valve to stop the world from drowning

https://stainlesssteel-ballvalve.com/1-piece-ball-valves.html

🤣

Laugh Tale is the sewer of the world

At least for the Tenryubito

[versed gyro]

good point that it can't always be the case (and also it's probably whatever Oda's liking is) but for the CP9 example, it seems like the two fruits Lucci and Kaku picked seemed to align with their style & personality - Lucci (cold killer like a leopard) and Kaku (seemed like an Oda choice to match up to Zoro's 3 sword style).

[clever lintel]

I don't know if this will fit this channel, but I have this passage I made on a moment of Usopp being seen as a brave warrior of the sea, though not necessarily him believing he has become one.

Elbaf will have Mjolnir be a giant hammer that ate an Atlas Beetle zoan. Prince Thor dies during Elbaf, or in a flashback. Mjolnir will only let a brave warrior of the sea wield it.

As Usopp stands before the armadas of the wg and blackbeard, he bellows that he has a mighty army of thousands of giant warriors that he will unleash on them lest they retreat.

The armadas launch a barrage that could annihilate islands. Usopp believes he is about to die, but he smiles with tears streaming down his face. The chapter ends with the sounds of explosions.

Next chapter opens with Usopp thinking of his dad, the kids of syrup village, the giants, the strawhats, Kaya, and his mom. Just as the barrage is about to hit, suddenly ships of the armada explode as Mjolnir blitz the shots back with the wind produced by breaking the sound barrier.

The island was destroyed, but Usopp realizes he's alive. Then he realizes he is on Mjolnir'a back. He looks all over and finds that the Straw Hat Grand Fleet, The Giants, the Straw Hats's allies, and the Sunny are below him.

As Usopp laughs and cries, he urges Mjolnir into the Armadas. The chapter ends with a two page spread of Usopp swinging Mjolnir into the fleets, splitting the sea and sky. Break Next Week.

[errant pulsar]

my theory is that the one piece might be real

thats just me tho

[foggy stump]

CHAPTER 1113 SPOILERS AHEAD

After reading Chapter 1113, I saw someone mention something about the behaviour of long ring long island (credit to okonomiyaki54) which got my thinking, what if the entire world used to be one pangea like continent. And that every 800 or so years, the world goes through a cycle of the world water level rising and falling. Due to the rising water levels over the past 800 years, this once supercontinent has now been reduced to thousands of small islands that have become the nations we know today. This could also explain the absence of islands that are as large and vast as the "Great Kingdom" was once described as.

Whether this is a gradual rise, a single or series of events that cause the water level to rise quickly like Aqua Laguna of Water 7, that I am not sure. What I do think will happen though is when the water has completely risen, what remains of the land will be the Red Line and the now giant ocean that could be considered the All Blue.

I also think that one of the reasons why Roger said they were too early to laughtale was because they had to wait 20 more years for this event to unfold, revealing something significant or serving as the catalyst for a revelation about a place or entity.

What do you guys think?

[night crag]

I'm pretty sure Roger said they have to wait 20 more years was for the return of Joyboy and the awakening of the Nika Nika fruit, that is the catalyst for the big change in my opinion.

[foggy stump]

Yes I am sure that is one of the components but I don't think that was the only thing they needed to wait for

Also like I said this was pretty hastily thought up and I'm sure theres sum holes in the logic, but I think my overarching idea could be pretty good prediction of whats to come

[cunning iron]

I'm one of the "someone" who talked about Long Ring Long island and how it could explain why there are so many islands in OP 😄
Glad I could inspire you!

[foggy stump]

Thanks. It made me immediately think about the great kingdom and how it could have disapearred

[livid blaze]

Do we have any information about underwater ruins in one piece? There was jinbei's cover story, but that's all I remember

[foggy stump]

I think only about Wano but I believe that was rainwater that flooded it

[night crag]

I think the biggest fear is actually that a lot of trees needed to build ships are going to be submerged because of the sea level rise. Pirate Ships is the biggest threat left of defying the World Government, but if the sea level rises then the great tree Adam at Elbaf would be the last great tree standing, which would make Elbaf staging point for the start of the Final War.

[gloomy elbow]

huh

[livid blaze]

We don't know where the adam tree is, do we?

[night crag]

it's the Elbaf tree

[jaunty abyss]

Megamind wants to sink the island?

[muted valley]

Onepiece is actually the biblical flood story we didn't know and divine beamed the information into odas head so we could know the truth of our past.

[woeful thistle]

Bloodborne is officially canon in the one piece universe

[delicate vault]

WAIT in the new chapter vegapunks said i dont know enough about HIM maybe he means imu

[sharp fulcrum]

I have a theory about Laugh Tale, everyone from Shanks and Gol d Roger crew has not devil fruits, maybe the last island is under the water? And only shanks crew is capable to get it

[spare meadow]

chapter 1113 spoilers

theory: about the nature of the world sinking and the "great cleansing"

so we already know islands like water 7 and wano are affected by water making their countries/areas sink and have to build up to keep living there

we know how accustomed the wg is to erasing history and events of the past

im ngl i dont remember what chapter it was or which gorosei said it but iirc it was sometime at the end of wano where one of them said something along the lines of "it seems the world is in need of a great cleansing..."

now what if the world having a "great cleansing" refers to the world being cleansed by the water and being sunk into the ocean, like vegapunk said

and the void century is the time they last cleansed the world ridding it of all traces regarding joyboy or the ancient kindom or any of that, by sinking everything from that time into the world e.g all the islands etc

so if you went deep enough into the ocean or something, you would see remnants of all the old buildings/locations/areas of the void century. in fact unless im forgetting something, wouldnt the noah fit this description? its been stuck down there at fishman island for quite a long time, eh? it might be one of the few "living" relics of that time

to add on, fishman island is an island that despite being deep in the ocean, can still work as an island due to the bubble, making it probably the only island that could've existed back then but still actually be in existence due to the circumstances

and, while being a little different, the mother flame used to destroy lulusia made the same gaping hole in the ocean like the one at enies lobby, and if the mother flame is a cloned ancient weapon or something along those lines, what if the reason it left the same mark is because the gaping hole at enies lobby was caused by, well, AN ANCIENT WEAPON? perhaps uranus? and theres something hiding at the bottom of enies lobby, e.g part of the ancient kingdom which is why they attacked that spot, to attack the ancient kingdom. and maybe all this ancient weapon stuff is part of how they cause the "great cleansing". also, the weird castle pieces and buildings at enies lobby make no sense so perhaps thats also remnants of the ancient kindom as its right nearby next to the gaping hole previously mentioned? there might be a way to add the gates of justice to this theory but im not gonna touch on that for now.

to continue from my point of being able to see old remnants under the water if u went deep enough, wano, for example, has its own old versions of itself from under the water that have sunken into the ocean over time, so it would kind of be like that with the ancient kingdom remnants i was talking about where u could see the old buildings and versions of places under the water, it would just be way deeper than wano

im probably forgetting some other stuff that i also wanted to say but i already wrote a lot. so anyway

did i cook??? (sorry for the long ass message)

[undone holly]

yeah i think something like that too... I think that access to One Piece is related to some kind of cycle and maybe this cycle is the world being sunk... that's why Roger's phrase when arriving on the island was ''I arrived too early'', there must be some clue there about how often One Piece becomes ''accessible''... and perhaps the last words said to Shanks were ''don't eat a fruit''

[pure raven]

Wait, soo maybe it is caused by akainu?
Cuz he produces the most heat and pollution 🐒
(Magma logia)

[thorny pond]

I wonder if sea level rising will "reset" after a while, or is simply irreversible

if reversible, it most likely happened before hence the legends of the all blue

[cunning iron]

If it's caused by the Mother Flame weapon, I don't know how it can be reversed, just like the gigantic hole that resulted from Lulusia's destruction can't be reversed it seems, but maybe there's a way, I don't know

[cinder basin]

reposting an old Imu theory that has more evidence now 😈

Imu can control the moon through the Human Human Fruit, Model: ???

Obviously the Sun VS Moon symbolism that would be present in Luffy's fight with Imu inspires this theory (We know a Moon God exists because they are referenced during the flashbacks on Skypeia alongside the Sun God)

Part of controlling the moon is controlling the tides, and I believe The Great Cleansing is Imu's plan to drown the earth in more water, drowning most of the lower down countries and poorer men that are rebelling. (This part is supported by the most recent chapter !)
The original great cleansing was during the void century. this is what Joyboy failed to stop. Noah's Arc beneath fishman island was a ship he created, intending to carry the people on a boat that would spare them from the first great cleansing. (This explains it being named for the actual Noah's Arc, which was used to carry survivors of God's flooding of the Earth)

Imu's appearance as a figure in shadow is also due to their moon abilities. The Moon is only visible when reflected off the light of the sun, so Imu is only visible outdoors or if Luffy uses the power of the sun god on Imu. I believe there is something monstrous about Imu's appearance that Imu is hiding with this shadow appearance (This is why Imu has remained hidden) Luffy will expose Imu by using his sun powers to reveal their true form. My reason for believing Imu has a "true form" as a monster is that the five elders also have monstrous forms, which they wish to keep hidden based on how they treat marines who see them. I imagine that Imu's full form is kept even closer to the chest, especially considering even their normal human body is cloaked in shadow. I do not know if Imu will be able to transform into a monster like the five elders but I imagine that beneath the shadow that hides them is a monster far more horrifying looking.

[thorny pond]

I was thinking of the moon too, but I didn't have a concise idea of what it could be, imu's powers? a weapon? also would imu make the moon closer?

[undone holly]

Noah is obviously a reference to Noah's Ark, right? What if exactly like the Ark it was built 7 days before the arrival of the flood with the intention of saving as many people as possible and this flood is the cycle that the WG hides from the world? The Celestial Dragons, Goroseis and Imu are the only people who know this... And if the will of the D, it is actually the will of the people who were drowned and Joy Boy was the person who discovered this secret that the government hides repeatedly.

[thorny pond]

if the flood is a cycle, what if the fishmen are a genetic offshoot of humans that adapted to the water to survive?

and Imu is pissed off at them, because they can survive in the sea, hence the discrimination, but that's just a random speculation

what would be even wilder if pre void century fishmen\ are genetically engineered humans to survive in the sea

[cinder basin]

Imu could control the moon and probably have some other moon or darkness related abilities

I plan to research some of japan's moon gods/yokai/folklore to try and get more specifics

[undone holly]

In Chinese mythology, Chang'e, goddess of the Moon, is responsible for managing the lunar phases. Legend has it that she was condemned to live on the Moon after stealing an elixir of immortality from her husband. Chang'e lives with a white rabbit, which is considered her pet and herbal grinder.

[thorny pond]

hm

[undone holly]

have some more info: Legends about lunar creatures are not limited to explaining celestial phenomena. They also carry a deep symbolic meaning, exploring themes such as the duality between light and darkness, constant change, the cycle of life and death, and the relationship between humans and the universe.

so if Imu has the power to control the moon maybe the only fruit that can counter Imu's power is Nikas fruit? cause he can be the light of the moon when we need it?

[gloomy idol]

So we all agree Vegapunk is an analogy for climate-change scientists, right? He told Luffy and the others his dream was to bring endless, clean energy to the whole world, his research is constantly being monitored/censored by the rich and powerful and he just made a broadcast saying the world is gonna sink into the ocean. Oda has made references to this before, such as in Water 7 how the Aqua Laguna is getting higher every year, and the sunken city in Wano. The Akuma no Mi curse is also that you can't swim, so you sink into the ocean. Also Noah's arc in Fishman island, which Joyboy probably wanted to fill with people so they'd survive the oncoming diluge.

[versed thorn]

I had an idea just now that the One Piece could actually be Noah's Ark's wheel.

[torn oyster]

Imu is the reason devil fruit users are weak to water. Everyone knows the theory that Imu is an Umibozu or a Sea Devil, and we've gotten Vegapunk's hypothesis that the Devil Fruits' unnatural powers lead to "the sea itself" going against the user. If Imu is the sea devil, he'd probably have the ability to make DEVIL fruit users weak to the SEA. After Imu is defeated, Devil Fruit users will be able to swim. As for why Imu cursed them in the first place, I have 3 reasons.

1. Devil Fruit users are powerful, so having some way to control them would be beneficial. Think of it like a shock collar.
2. Devil Fruits are one of the only ways to defeat Imu, so having an easy counter against them would just make sense.
3. This one is more farfetched, but Joyboy might have either been a fishman or had fishman DNA. A fishman with water AND Nika powers would be crazy, so to prevent anything like that from happening again, you get the gist. Once again, this one is more farfetched, as Joyboy is likely a Buccaneer or a Giant.

[cinder basin]

yes, this is part of my theory

imu appearing as a shadow is not mere coincidence. the moon is only visible when it reflects life from the sun, so as long as imu remains indoors, away from the sun the only thing that can reveal them is Nika

[cinder basin]

upon research, it seems the most popular japanese moon folklore is

1. a rabbit, who lives on the moon and pounds mocchi with a mallet -> (i have absoloutley no idea how to tie this to imu. Perhaps their monsterous form could be rabbit like? That's the only idea I have 💀)

Tsukuyomi, the Moon God. Tsukuyomi was married to the Sun God, Amaterasu but angered her by murdering the God of Food, Ukemochi, which caused Day and Night to seperate. I could see a story inspired by this backstory being used for Imu considering Luffy's love for food, but after looking furhter I developed a new theory for Imu's backstory.

Expanding from Japan a little into China leads us to Chang'e, who probably is the most likely moon myth to be taken as inspiration. Chang'e stole the elixer of life from her husband and escaped/was condemned to live on the moon. Perhaps whoever Imu's husband was possesed the Ope Ope no Mi and Imu "stole life" from him by forcing the man to perform the immortality surgery on Imu. I think that becoming immortal probably comes at a cost. Perhaps being "condemed to live on the Moon" could represent Imu being transformed into a creature, (based on Chang'e having a pet rabbit and the previous story of the Rabbit on the Moon Imu may take the form of a mutated Rabbit of some kind) This would explain Imu's immortality and it would explain why Imu would want to hide their appearance using the Moon fruit, which would require him to avoid sunlight and thus be "condemed to live on the Moon"

I believe Imu's fruit would give them the ability to cloak their appearance in shadow while out of the sunlight and give them some control over the Moon. This control would allow Imu to move the tides (Great Cleansing), possibly change day into night or something along those lines as well?

[swift patrol]

Idea: uranus and motherflame are the same thing. They’re island destroyers, and after Imu used it on lulusia the sea level increased. So what if the one piece is just the motherflame destroying the red line and mariejois, plunging the world into the ocean like vegapunk said? What if pluton is just a ship capable pf pulling continents or a continent itself, like thriller bark or to some extent zunesha? No idea about laugh tale itself but I assume it’s just joyboy saying something along VP’s lines, the roger pirates realising they can’t do anything besides laugh at the absurdity of it all, that to bring Imu down they have to drown everything?

[leaden edge]

Imu probably wanted all devil fruit users to die when the world is flooded. I suspect that a flood might have happened before or certain people have been planning for a flood to come. Zou having a civilization on its back and being extremely tall allowing for people to survive. The red line being extremely high from the ocean so that Maryjois isn’t destroyed. Noah and Poseidon. Kuma also carries a bible, I’m guessing as a deterrent against Imu or because he studies a prophecy similar story to what we know as the Bible. I’m also starting to think that the D. stands for Devil. “Will of the Devil.” Maybe Imu actually wanted to use them as an army (like angels in the Bible), but the Devil fruits became conscious and turned on Imu (just like the Bible), but Imu had a plan for that and commanded the sea to reject them when he/she floods the planet. Maybe that’s what Imu is actually trying to purge, devil fruit users because they are the only ones that can actually oppose Imu. This was kind of a type as I think so I don’t forget, sorry it’s so scatterbrained. Anyone have anything to add, adjust or disprove?

[visual fossil]

Just had a thought, considering it seems to be set up that some people will think Luffy killed Vegapunk, what if the World Government manage to actually stop the message partway through and then spin it in such a way that the message is "Oh we wanted to know what Vegapunk would say as well but that Straw Hat stopped it! It must be something about how bad he is and how great the government is!"

Obviously not that word for word but you get my point

[queen wolf]

Another note to the Imu-Moon theory to consider are the animal-people who's name is escaping me right now, Empowered by the full moon but also very much not generally with the WG.

[sharp fulcrum]

Imu <> Umi Umi = sea

[light jolt]

Umi Bozou or something

[cosmic coyote]

i was thinking what if the reason they want the world to sink is so that the world can have a great reset causing everyone who knows or has vague information about the past world to be wiped out so then they can rebuild and make a world fit for them without no thought of someone finding out

[molten radish]

Looks like the flooding theory was right.

Shoutout to my fellow Long Ring Long Land believers, Oda always comes full circle.

[radiant sapphire]

FILLER?

[radiant sapphire]

💀

[molten radish]

Long Ring Long Land is the furthest back I can think of the flooding foreshadowing

[radiant sapphire]

was that filler noright?

[meager echo]

half filler half lore

[distant slate]

• those who went to laughtale or were close to Roger knew about the world sinking all along.
• It’s why shanks never ate a fruit.
• Why crocus lives in a whale,
• Its why Rayleigh became a ship coater to navigate underwater,
• it’s why oden knew about the flood and the borders stay up to about wano sinking,
• other clues include TOM BUILDing A RAILROAD that can be used in the water. Coincidentely around a floating island with a hole like lulusia
• zou enduring a flood in the past, saving mink tribe
• All the way back in alabasta a sea rise was foreshadowed when Sandora river dissapeared
• Its why Tonjit recognized NIKA back at long ring long land arc. this was entire foreshadow

[molten radish]

could be another reason why buggy was so upset about eating his devil fruit besides the money. also shanks doesnt have any devil fruit users on his ship (that we know of).

[distant slate]

this makes finding laughtale easier... its below

[molten radish]

what if roger was too early because the sea levels need to reach a height to access the one piece

[distant slate]

i still think he found it

[molten radish]

yeah but what if he couldnt access it yet

[distant slate]

• Shirahoshi wasnt born yet tho
• Noah Ark wasnt utilized due to timing
• Noah ark may need the assistance of the sea kings to depart from where its sunk.

[undone holly]

so it could be as I suggested (and many other people)... One Piece can only be ''accessed'' with a certain level of depth and this depends on the lunar cycle... Roger passes on information when ''seeing'' the One Piece or understands that he arrived too soon to claim it.

[distant slate]

its all connected to aqua lagoon, once a year laughtale can be only access

[molten radish]

i think its more than once a year. if that were the case roger could have waited it out

[undone holly]

So when he realizes that he won't be alive in the next cycle, he just gives up and hands himself over to the navy, trying to encourage people to look for it?

[molten radish]

it must have been a condition that made the one piece inaccessible in roger's lifetime. i think its most likely the sea levels

[distant slate]

no when i say connected, its implied foreshadowing its a clue to the secret of the laughtale location

[undone holly]

I understand... but how can Roger understand that he arrived too early? What do you think you can do to make him understand this when he is in what is possibly One Piece or the essential information to claim it

[distant slate]

is the reason why some ppl think one piece could be inside a whale. Whales are the clues to laughtale in the story. If shirahoshi wasnt born, youre missing a link. Fishmen are integral to the beginning and ending of the story

[molten radish]

what if oda has already shown us the answer during skypiea. the upper yeard temples were hidden underneath the clouds leaving only the top exposed. what if the one piece is a similar situation. the top is the only way to access it. roger came too early because the sea levels were too low. it would explain why nobody has stumbled upon the one piece yet.

[distant slate]

its why
The Seakings also talk about whales being excited for the birth of the mermaid princess if I recall.

[molten radish]

the top of the one piece is probably rinky-dink and unassuming. roger and his crew laughed because the top of the legendary treasure is something you'd pass by without thinking anything

knowing oda its going to something stupid looking and then reveals itself to be grand and breathtaking

[distant slate]

the clue with whales and laughtale is how the first fishmen we encounter are sharks the message with them being indicative of the wrong path contrary to whales (voice of all things) Whales are always when secrets are being told in the story or big moments in general.

[distant slate]

the sea kings are literally mentioning TWO KINGS. the story is telling you NIKA + POSEIDON

[undone holly]

I know that and that wasn't my question... I asked what do you think gives this information or confirms that Roger arrived very early? or are you saying there is a poneglyph or something that states ''Waiting for the two kings, come back later''??

[distant slate]

i answered this way too many times bro. neither shirahoshi nor luffy was born. NIKA is luffy not roger. this story is about luffy, he wasnt alive. thats all to it

imo the power of poseidon was needed to control the seakings to move the noah in which roger couldnt do at the time and there was no NIKA...

this all goes back to CCC theory, shirahoshi (conductor) commands the seakings (carrier) to move the noah (carriage)

whales are the clue to laughtale

[west summit]

Whales?

[carmine flicker]

a few years ago I suggested One Piece is a Starship: #manga message the recent chapter makes it more likely. A space Ark to save everyone

[west summit]

You failed to mention on how they would do space travel And let alone carry everyone into space

[distant slate]

Just like Corazon actually was at Lvneel kingdom looking for a cure, the homeland of noland.

its also the first time the reverie is alluded even tho not mentioned. It was after 5 years that mariejoa granted permission to noland aka when the king sent out the news of noland they were out to cleanse him

[elfin merlin]

Ace could come back?

SOOOOO!!! Brook should hopefully get his devil fruit awakening soon, if so wouldn't that mean we can revive other people, so say hello to ace again?????? Honestly W oda if he does this

[distant slate]

this makes so much sense knowing noland was a botanist who found a cure too tree fever

[carmine flicker]

a colony ship basically, the size of an island perhaps. apparently the old kingdoms may have been more technologically advanced. Mother flame would be a fission/fusion reactor which could power a colony starship. Luffy's dream of the world gathering to enjoy a meal fits into this, as they would need to amass a lot of food and come together

[distant slate]

• notice how mont blanc decribes the knock up stream, isnt that description similar to Uranus/mother flame

[uneven zephyr]

this is a really good theory, but I do have one question, why do you think roger laughed?

[spare meadow]

bump, ik its a long theory for but it also touches on some of the previously mentioned things above by other people, have a read and tell me if i cooked

[hardy trench]

I like it, would be really funny in retrospect too since way back in chapter 1 higuma talked shit abt pirates and said mountain bandits were better

If this theory is true every island is a submerged mountain and all pirates are mountain bandits

[spare meadow]

😭 🙏

higuma foreshadowing?!?!

[hardy trench]

Unironically might have been, with how early he was introduced

Mountain bandits are pretty big in japanese folklore/culture as well i think

[spare meadow]

interesting

also i dont think i added this specifically but u know how enies lobby is part of the "main" 3 facilities including impel down and marineford despite showing pretty much barely any use and has no real importance to the other 2 like lets be honest its always been the odd one out, is because its only there originally to be a coverup for the ancient kindom relics, even tho theres still those pieces around it that slipped through the cracks and are just still standing there, assuming no one will bat an eye, except for ME, ERK, THE KEYBOARD WARRIOR!

[distant slate]

Dont forget shirahoshi holds the power to sink the world too.....

[lunar zinc]

shes

[crude kindle]

saw a really nice theory about the city designs, if you see all the major cities they were all designed to combat water, alabasta, water 7, wano itself was built untop of its sunken old city... really nice conection from the beggining to now

[distant slate]

same reason shanks crew dont have df users.

[lunar zinc]

Why does imu and the gorosei wants to sink the world like what they will gain from it like no slaves no people to serve them only them

[distant slate]

its a form of reset. Void Century is implied to be a flood, something of that magnitude lets your restart the foundation of society, hierarchy, regulations, beliefs, etc

[eager frost]

who said they are trying to?

[crude kindle]

this chap really opened my mind up i was feeling one piece was getting a bit disconected but this just put it right back in track insanely

[lunar zinc]

Imu reverse is sea devil

[eager frost]

means nothing still as to why they would want to sink everything

[distant slate]

yeah the list goes on with all of rogers members who luffy met, rayleigh being a ship coater, the bubble allows ships underwater, crocus living inside a whale and also being the first to introduced laughtale. Oden not bringing down the borders, etc

and lastly i think shirahoshi will command the sea kings to move NOAH to save not the fishmen since they swiim but other ppl like df users, etc

[lunar zinc]

The goresi reacts to wano not opening the borders saying who ever made that decision is smart

[distant slate]

GOROSEI were waiting all this time for borders to open, they found it "SMART' that it wasnt opened YET

[eager frost]

how do ppl miss this stuff

[west summit]

Okay I get this, but what are you hinting at

[crude kindle]

what would you connect it too though?

[west summit]

I don't get it, you make a point of similarities between the imu laser beam, and knock up stream, and then?

[eager frost]

original claim was Gorosei were referencing this as something related to sea level raising but its not. they were just talking about how they/anyone else can't send a major force to take over Wano. basically implying they would've made a move if they opened the boarders.

[crude kindle]

i mean yea makes sense, i see what you meant now yea momonoske was playing the long game

[distant slate]

hes not playing the long game hes part of the ancient weapon

[eager frost]

he got a front seat view to a show that showed Wano is nowhere near ready to face a major outside force rn so he made the right call

[distant slate]

its triple c theory all over again, with PLUTON momo is the conductor Zunesha is the carrier/carriage

but it cool to think about the current pluton not being an actual ship but the klaubertemann form of pluton

[bold glacier]

Besides because its old, the giant robot may be all rust because it was underwater over centuries. wow, also why the only 2 cities that seems to be really old, are Shandora and Zou

[pure raven]

So, did anyone say this yet? What if the reason Enel could make it to the moon was because Imu, in the anti-toon force fashion, pulled it closer in order to defeat their only nemesis, Joyboy whose only weakness is drowning?

[bold glacier]

So the moon is closer and that causes the sea anomalities ?

[pure raven]

I'm going on goofy logic, but basically

[distant slate]

not true, theirs an entire cover story of jinbei finding a underwater city with Kuma paw symbol on it

[bold glacier]

well but you said it, the only old cities are the ones on zunesha or the sky, all the rest are underwater, like that you mention, and wano

[spare meadow]

well those cities are both above the water, so they've also survived

[distant slate]

alabasta is very old too, and not underwater.

[bold glacier]

alabasta helped in the void century, maybe thats why they didnt suffer that destiny.

[distant slate]

and theirs also Elbaf, another island thats assumed to be VERY OLD

[bold glacier]

elbaf is showcased to have a masive tree, that could have helped

[distant slate]

you wanted old cities not underwater, i gave you them

it does seem like those locations of important trees are stil there in current timeline

also at one point pluton was at water 7.. during void century

[bold glacier]

what if "the world is going to sink" isnt that bad, and there is a way of doing it, but doing it right. that could mean that the sea will rise above the red line. all people dies, but sanji gets his all blue, or maybe none dies, and Sanji gets his all blue. I think that could be better theory than destroying the red line

[crude kindle]

the opposite actually, alabasta was deeper underwater before you can see that from its city which is quite above the land and it seems to have water filters even though there isnt any water nearby

[distant slate]

just like wano didnt look the same as it did before, it used to be different aka whos knows if this island moved location prior

[crude kindle]

yea im sure there is a positive spin to it, oda wouldnt just wipe out civilization obviously

[distant slate]

ancient weapons willl be used when that happens

[mint vale]

this is my first time in this chat but i have this really in depth theory of what may be store for these sea levels rising (i didnt see the slow mode LMAO)

[bold glacier]

the ship in fish-man island was a foreshadowing of a really big flod

[distant slate]

this was under alabasta,

[mint vale]

Is there a chance the sea levels rising could be intentional?
This is a theory me and a friend were discussing very briefly about what VP could be hinting at for the sea levels rising, and how it could be INTENTIONAL for the elders to cause the sea level rise. (Forgive me if there's some reach)

There's some context in 1113 about how they mentioned Mother Flame (The ball of lasers that annihilated Lulusia Kingdom). The final page spread shows how the elders are discussing about the next moves regarding halting VPs message. Warcury specifically explains how with destroying the island = they lose the opportunity to replicate Mother Flame. Which results that they cannot sink the world.

Now some facts to back this up:

1. Mary Geoise is at the top of the Red Line, any increase in sea levels will not affect them.

2. Now who can survive the water? Fishman. (Now this part can definitely be a little stretch but hear me out) The fact that these species can directly oppose the plan of the rise to power they have, explains why they want to erase them. This is not the only race we have seen oppressed either. Including how the Lunarians + The Buccaneers could have the same concept of ways to avoid this mass plan to power. (ex. Lunarians going back to the moon)

3. This further can be theorized with the very power of Devil Fruits and their "curse" of not being able to swim which can play a part in the theory of using the sea as their weapon.

Now there's hypotheticals we also discussed:

1. Did Momo purposely wait to open the gates of Wano? With his voice of all things, could he have been warned to stall including the reduction of Pluton getting released?

2. Attaching to the Lunarians, who could definitely have apart in the Moon. Could Enel who was already in the sky KNOW there's purpose in inhabiting the Moon/staying in the sky.

We know the Oda loves his celestial ideology so what do we really know of what JoyBoy (The Sun God) is capable of regarding the sea levels rising? and why do the Elders need control of his will if he simply can be stopped by something like the sea?

Now the ancient weapons can directly be a type of "options" for their sea level plan to work.

• Pluton: On-the-sea weapon.

• Poseidon: Under-the-sea weapon.

• Uranus: Is the only lack of info weapon we have but regarding the wiki's theory of "Uranus was the personification of the sky" This could predict a sky based weapon.

[distant slate]

and this area underwater nearby arabasta is similar to this

unless the underground tunnel connects from arabasta to wano but thats sicc

[crude kindle]

Does not let me import a picture of alabasta but this tiktok vid explains the theory pretty well https://www.tiktok.com/@moashdmc/video/7361476131616329003?_t=8lrSZ00kZXi&_r=1

[distant slate]

yup the hot spring in arabasta from gedatsu coverstory, literally what im getting at LMAO

[pure raven]

https://tenor.com/view/cooking-cook-chef-masterchef-lilb-gif-13910066

[distant slate]

this is another example of a past cleanse or flood, after noland/shandora.. HOW TF would jaya rotate 90 degrees. AN ISLAND.

[crude kindle]

does that not just show part of it sunk?

[distant slate]

nope. it was facing this direction prior

[strange delta]

guys what does vegapunk mean that the world is gonna sink into the ocean?

[distant slate]

its more of a shift/rotation then sunk.. and the "knock up" dont really explain that shift/rotation it only explains skypeia.

[low magnet]

I do not see what you mean by Jaya rotating

[empty fog]

I think it's like a huge biblical flood like Noah's ark

[crude kindle]

Same isnt it just the map being rotated? I dont rmmber if they ever mentioned in the series it rotated, simply the other part shot up, cant properly read that compass its covered too

[low magnet]

The compasses seem to be indicating the same directions. Skypeia I can only assume is oriented so that North is up on the map because there are no letters on the compass rose. Jaya has South being downwards

[brazen current]

that would explain joyboy's ark

[hearty charm]

you two are cooking

[orchid carbon]

This was a really good chapter. I have a feeling that the Ancient Weapons aren't weapons, but artifacts that saved the masses from Imu which is why the Gorosei is trying to destroy them. Pluton being the boat for the races that could not breathe underwater and Poseidon being the solution to deter the dangerous Sea Kings. Uranus must be something that protects the masses from some threat of above. My guess would be something related to the Moon since the moon is known to move the tides. I think the people of Skypeia or the Lunarian race will be a big deal soon. Maybe Urogue will get a big play in a near future arc. I also wonder if the name Void Century is a hint to the past. The Void century being the time before the flood. When Vegapunk was speaking about the origins of devil fruits, he spoke about a clash between land and sea. Whatever Imu is, seems to represent the sea. I think Imu's motives parallels to Crocodile during the Alabasta arc. Crocodile specifically chose Alabasta because it synergized perfectly with his fruit. Imu must want to flood the world for it be their complete playground and to do that is by swallowing up the world with water. I'm still very curious about the origins of devil fruits because the devil fruits as of right now seem to be the hidden weapons against Imu which is why the Government would rather have the Marine eat them vs outsiders. Not only that The Celestial Dragons have a strange relationship with devil fruits as if they are "dirty". You would think a Celestial Dragon would be elated to have such a powerful fruit but they give them to either to slaves or higher ranking officers. Its like they view them as enhancements for their property and another level of control for their slaves (weakness being Sea Water). This chapter also gives me a new perspective on Alabasta and how that kingdom is literally a desert away from the Sea. It is as if they chose that location because Princess Lily new the truth and thought ahead of time.

[distant slate]

ancient weapons obviously can be used for good.

[orchid carbon]

Thats very true, but the real question is "who" and "why" are they calling them weapons. One is a boat and the other is a sentient being. They could've been called ancient relics. Using the term "weapon" tells a lot more about the government who has been doing their best to control as much information as possible.

[distant slate]

its simple. its called WG Propaganda. same reason noland was called a liar (it became part of History and spread for over 4 generations) and same reason why they're called "devil" fruits. having a negative connotation when its actually more of a divine power, The same way Dragon is labeled worlds most dangerous man even tho hes no pirate, The same way Garp was propaganda for the marines...(he was used as the poster boy to promote marines thru god valley. everything said about that incident was mentioned by sengoku who wasnt even at god valley), SAME reason why Kuma was viewed as corrupt ruler...... its not the moral people who decide whats right, its the victors (Gorosei+Imu)

[thorny tiger]

After vegapunk's announcement the nukes of Baldimore and egg heat will rain down every where in the one piece world

[stone rivet]

yes i agree with your point its just the WG propoganda. They are making things from their point of view. it also happened with luffy's devil fruit hito hito no mi where they changed its name to gomu gomu no mi just because they didn't wanted everyone to know the existence of such godly devil fruit. so taking these points in consideration we can say that ancient weapons and devil fruits would've been used against them in the past that's why they labelled them as their own choice

[honest edge]

for curiosity: did anybody keep track of the theories that turned out to be true?

[pure raven]

I love this idea 👀, it reminds me why that Noah's ark boat was at fishmen island. But it was a boat for giants and not really for humans

[cosmic coyote]

What
Is it a bad theory?

[solar mirage]

The world will sink and as we know the roger pirates already know that.
The onepiece is a note from joyboy that says "the world will sink" and its that hard to find so that the gorosei doesent find it

The roger crew laughed cuz of the pain they had... they knew they couldnt save the world cuz roger is sick.
So rogers last mission is to tell the whole world abt the "onepiece" (the world will sink)
So someone else saves the world

I can already see the reveal from oda that the roger crew didnt laugh because something was funny, they laughed because they knew the world will sink
Just a lil theory xD

[rich roost]

Any theory on why the world would sink and how the DF users will survive?

[eager frost]

sea level rising have been talked about several times now and DF users can survive the same way any normal human would. it's not like being able to swim is enough to survive xd they will just be at a more disadvantageous position.
as for the specifics of how they can survive, floating islands been mentioned before, giant boats and sky islands.

[distant slate]

The Noah was made to save humans/ df users etc. it was oda who made readers think it was for the fish man when the redline gets destroyed but they can swim

[hardy trench]

That would kind of invalidate the straw hats’ entire journey 💀

[unreal quartz]

My new theory is that laugh tale is just a rubber balloon knot and needs joy boy to re-inflate it

[median urchin]

Maybe..j..just maybe, it's a t..theoretical analysis. But if I…i.. if im correct, it could possibly be a ground breaking discovery.. what if… t..th.. the one piece...
|| Is the friends we made along the way ||

[bold prism]

nawh imagine we waited so long for that shit 😭

[quaint canyon]

Tequila Wolf is starting to make a lot more sense now at least…

[zinc meteor]

• one piece world was once a water planet with just redline as it's land.

• mermaids, lunarians and skypeans are the native here

• as you know, there are different species of humans, i think they are aliens.

• celestial dragons are the owner of the spaceship

• when they found op world, they saw it full of water, yet they descendent still.

• upon seeing how the world work, they became conquerors but the lunarians prevailed, beating them out.

• due to the aliens loosing resources soon, they became to hallucinate. The world gave them fruits with power of their gods/imagination.

• the lunarian tried to fight them but lost. Still, there is one powerful lunarian that cursed them fruit users and deemed them as devil that is supposed to loose power once in contact with the sea.

• the power holders didn't like this, so they took some native as slaves which are the skypeans.

• They brought the skypeans to the moon to create robots to do something about the high level of the sea.

• they controlled the moon so that the high tide will lower.

• the aliens made plans to mitigate water level that keeps on increasing. They made an arc, surface hole maker etc.

• one of the aliens didn't like how they conquered the planet, his name is joy boy.

• the futuristic robot is prob. one of his creation, and Joyboy is prob. an engineer.

• the natives teamed up with joyboy, so are some of the aliens that think that the other aliens are too greedy with control.

• joy boy and the gang fought with the celestial dragon's team, yet they lost.

• celestial dragon deemed all those that are enemies to be controlled which is why they killed lunarians and enslaved fishmen.

• the moon robots are defending the moon from the space aliens that is trying to take control/flood of the planet.

• joyboy made one piece in order to share the news to the only capable ones.

• roger and the crew laughed because it seems like it is an outrageous thing to know.

• df users canot go to raftel coz they maybe one of Celes

[pure raven]

Who is Imu, and what could be Luffy’s goal? (THEORY):
During the beginning of Luffy’s adventures, a whirlpool just so happens to appear as soon as Luffy sets off. Imu has a similar appearance to Umi Bozū, Umi has the ability to create whirlpools, Imu is Umi backwards, they are both only silhouettes with only eyes visibly detailed. Umi Bozū means Sea Priest. Maybe Imu’s wearing a priest outfit, you can tell by the way Imu’s silhouette is shaped. More evidence to support that Imu is based off of Umi Bozū is that how Luffy survived is entering a barrel and sailing away like that, which is how to survive Umi. If you want, you can say an evil priest could be a demon. Evil Sea Priest…Sea Devil…Umi Bozū…Whirpool…Unknown Abilities…Ruler of The Government, And Most Likely The Strongest In The Verse. Vegapunk states that the world is sinking into the ocean, and if Luffy is to save and free everyone, Luffy will have to perform perhaps a large planetary feat and keep the whole entire world afloat. Luffy telling the end of his dream to his siblings and friends caused them to laugh. Having a party with the entire world seems laughable + after every big arc there’s some kind of party. Luffy has to free the world and wants to party with the whole world, and Imu wants to keep the whole world captive and wants only darkness for the world. This is One Piece.

Light VS Dark
Freedom VS Captivity
Freedom VS Oppression
Luffy VS Imu.

[vague spear]

I think it’s safe to assume Pluton is an actual warship. Or at the very least not something passive like the noah. Tom called it the most dangerous beast in the history of shipbuilding. While reading the blueprints, Iceberg said “why would anybody build something like this?” with horror on his face. Franky said “can humans really build this thing?” in shock/awe. Pluton has never been described as anything other than immensely destructive, even by people who aren’t associated with the WG

[red jay]

don't just state things without backing. If u have a theory to back this claim up, by all means share it.

[wanton berry]

This could just be a huge nothing burger that is completly off, but what if the All Blue comes from the sinking of the One Piece world?:

When I was first reading 1113, I was looking at the panel at the end with the fish and mermaids in the sea, which made me also think about how we have such little detail on the All Blue, but what if all the fish in the ocean are brought together because they are genuinley brought together? Also you might be asking how can the water return to it original level? Well it can, it's just that we dont know how. Wano is a great example of the water getting back down, because the walls of wano are still completly flooded while the outside is normal.

There is still little to no details about the All Blue, so I wouldnt be surprised if this were super far off

[hardy trench]

That could make sense

Jumping off of that, to keep the creation of the all blue an actual positive development, maybe luffy’s real dream could be to turn every island into a ship or something along those lines?

The idea of draining the ocean had me a little iffy considering how much life is currently dependent on it, but if the islands themselves float, as thriller bark and (in the future) water 7 do, that wouldn’t be necessary at all

Sounds pretty ridiculous and implausible enough for the straw hats oden and whitebeard to react as they did, and it seems very natural for the friend-loving pirate-idolizing luffy to want; everyone on his island would get to be a pirate with him in his eyes

[uncut musk]

Hellooo guys

The former roger pirates really learnt the world's truth and they started their prp.
The world will sink into the sea!!? Rayleigh starts a ship coating business and big brain crocus builds a house in a whale and let's not forget about shanks crew 🥶. Oda puts these small details but we only later see how they are really connect

[median urchin]

Nah its not, it's a physical object

[median urchin]

Erm.. what the sigma

[brave citrus]

What if uranus is in hachinosu or elbalf becuase fishman was whitebeard/big moms territory which luffy now owns and has Poseidon on that island, wano kaido owned until luffy took it over and has pluton, so either shanks or Blackbeard has their ancient weapon on one of their islands (buggy has no confirmed territories yet)

[misty rain]

Uranus is likely the weapon Imu has

[hard bramble]

You know, it's weird that Crocus even made Laboon into a house.

For some reason I wouldnt' be surprised if Laboon is actually a cyborg of some kind. I mean Crocus built AN ACTUAL WATERWAY inside Laboon that the Merry could sail through.
What else could he have installed in the big guy?

[magic kayak]

What if IMU has Water Water no mi fruit and and awakened as well as control seawater to curse other df from enter the sea ?

[hybrid swallow]

I also think it's likely that Imu has a Water related Devil Fruit or a Fruit that grants Immortality

[delicate vault]

The immortality is from the ope ope nomi surgery

[hybrid swallow]

Maybe the previous owner performed the surgery on Imu

[short kraken]

Theory on the gorosei's future:

Theres a possibility the reason the gorosei are getting dunked on is cus theyre not gonna be the big bad for later… That this IS their time to shine.
Im saying theres a chance Imu's gonna kill them off after this massive failure, thus leaving the God's knights as his main underlings for later. Maybe Imu even reveals himself to the world now that his plan is out in the open, who knows?

Do I fully believe this? No. As that would make the purpose of Devon's new Saturn transformation up in the air, as I dont see what use it would have in this scenario. But is it possible? I think so

[visual fossil]

I'm confused where you're getting that it rotated 90 degrees

There's no compass on the second map, so it could be facing east for all we know

[distant slate]

Not true, this is the correct position.

@visual fossil it’s a no brainer, the world of one piece has been shifted. Possibly this shift correlates to redline. This is why I think there’s more to it than just knock up streams, if you go back and read Mont Blanc explaining the phenomenon, it almost feels like he’s describing pluton/uranus/mother flame

[stoic sage]

theory: what if luffy's real name is 𝓕𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓴𝔂 d. luffy and his dream is to become the king of the 𝓕𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓴rates

[dense wyvern]

Theory: Only half of the one piece world is going to sink

in the real world, the magnetic poles of the Earth changes after long interval of times

What if it is the same for the one piece world? When the poles eventually change, a large amount of ocean water is transported from one side of the world to another.

This causes one side of the world have floods, and the other side of the world have lower water levels.

Impel down was prolly built during a time where that place experienced low ocean levels, and on the land surface, now due to the poles shifting that place has higher water levels, therefore it is under water

The tree from ohara also indicates, water level rising/receding

[magic kayak]

One Piece world is a magical world so normal logic of normal world probably not gonna works

[steady prism]

@magic kayak sure, we already know the grand line functions in its own unique way. Are you trying to make a commentary on something specific here?

[magic kayak]

I think the sea just increases instead of one side up and other side down like previous comment said

[steady prism]

ahh, gotcha 👍

[iron zephyr]

I feel like that fishman prophesy is going to be connected to the world sinking.

[tulip rock]

damn pole shift theory lookin real nice now

[olive jolt]

Green BVLL is URANUS

• fit the nuking theme alongside fujitora
• he needs fuel to work since he doesnt eat, mother flame fuels him (tattoo reference might be to his mother being a prostitute used by CDs MOTHER FLAME)
• sakazuki asks where he is, he says "i am in the sky" when going to wano, he warns him not to do anything unnecessary (nuke wano maybe?)
• flower devil fruit, when lulusia is nuked imu is shown in a flower room
• aramaki literally means -> lay waste, violent
• in greek mythology, gaia gives birth to uranus by herself (raised by a single mother? - reference to his sad past with woman?)

[tulip rock]

he an asshole too. he would nuke shit

[iron current]

i mean he doesnt eat because he does photosynthesis, obviously he says he is in the sky, he was in the sky of Wano when he asked him, its not a flower devil fruit, its the wood devilfruit

[fast nimbus]

I have no idea about oda anymore, all my ideas are underwater

[vague dome]

You know what would be a cool devil fruit? A true necromancy fruit. The Necro Necro fruit
The user can summon thralls of anyone who ever died, limited to 2 at a time. The thrall uses the original body's technique, but the strength of the thrall is relative to the user unless a body is used to summon, in which case the strength is equal to the body's original strength
Awakening allows the user to summon many thralls at once, and perform true resurrection at the cost of their life

[solemn briar]

So Edo tensei from Naruto

[vague dome]

Basically, lmao

[solemn briar]

A shit excuse to revive Roger, wb, and ace for asspulling

[vague dome]

that'd be a shit use for it story-wise

if anything, I'd see it being used to revive Luffy if he were to die

[iron current]

Oda doesnt like reviving dead character, why even kill the character in the first place if you bring them back

but we probably should take this to #manga-serious

[hardy trench]

Crack Theory 2: Akainu is the Forest God, the God of Change and Rebirth

The Sun God Luffy is known for his ability to befriend others and, in befriending them, free them from their oppressors

Akainu is known for the devastation he leaves in his wake, i.e. with the slaughter of Ohara and the execution of Ace, but oft overlooked are the results of this destruction:

• Seeing Ace's death, Sabo regains his memories
• With anyone who could defend her killed, Robin is labeled the devil child
• Seeing the monstrous consequences of Absolute Justice, Kuzan’s Burning Justice freezes over into Lazy Justice

In short, their identities grow and change- are reborn, even

The element his fruit embodies is no different in its associations:

• Little Garden's volcanoes erupt as Dorry and Brogy’s daily fight resumes
• The Knockup Stream that shoots Jaya into a brand new world is powered by volcanic activity
• The Wano volcano erupts as Kaido/Orochi are dethroned and the Kozuki return
• Even irl (and technically after Wano), eruptions enrich the soil, causing plants to flourish

Rebirth, change, growth- that sounds like the forest right there, and Akainu and his fruit bring these qualities with his destruction just as Luffy brings freedom and laughter with his friendship

Akainu himself has a surprising number of floral associations. He wears a flower in his lapel, has a sprawling tattoo dotted with flowers, has an attack named after the lotus flower, and takes care of bonsai trees as a hobby: trees that have to be pruned- destroyed- to grow into the shapes their caretakers want.

And yeah, it would be really ironic for the magmaman to be the Forest God, but that doesn't exactly mean that it's impossible. Just look at the rubber powers the Sun God has.

The Drum Island Sakuras might even have been a hint at this awakening in miniature; they certainly do resemble sakura trees, but from another angle they could just as easily be viewed as colorful volcanoes

[arctic pumice]

the 7th vegapunk is Damned punk by Eustasskid

[hardy trench]

satellucci came first, kidd's attack can be used as foreshadowing that the 7th punk was damned because he fell into the world government's hands

[arctic pumice]

thats too big of a twisted story telling, i doubt it

[olive jolt]

green bull (URANUS - plant fruit) admires akainu (flower shirt)

gp flowers forebode akainu changing sides

[cobalt frigate]

I think the islands of the grand line and new world are but the peaks of the old kingdom, similar to long ring longland

[inland cobalt]

Kidd is not a vegapunk he was born over a decade before they existed and has a canonical backstory

[olive jolt]

I love people that just dismiss theory with obvious stuff

[inland cobalt]

A lot of is people misunderstand Kidds attack it isn't tech at all just giant hunks of metal he shapes with magneticism ala magneto

[cobalt frigate]

joyboy tried to split the red line but failed and cracked it where reverse mountain is now

[iron zephyr]

the planet is just one big devil fruit

[little mortar]

I bet vegapunk hides the transponder snail inside york

[wild spoke]

If you rotate it 90 degrees, you will see the D! ("Turn the world upside Down!")

[distant slate]

https://tenor.com/view/muppet-family-christmas-muppets-sesame-street-fozzie-fozzie-bear-gif-15746557

[blissful seal]

There is no mention of Vegapunk missing a satellite

[hardy trench]

my reasoning is explained in the original post which was posted nearly 5 months ago and was only tangentially mentioned 💀

[blissful seal]

wouldnt Stella have mentioned something by now, if Lucci was indeed a satellite, or connected to VP in any way shape or form

And I don't understand the connection with Abe Lincoln

[hardy trench]

i realize now that i didn't include it directly, but i was going for the idea that vp wouldn't have known abt his creation, which is why he'd be made at minimum 3 years after vp's enlistment

abe lincoln is mainly just a joke abt him somewhat resembling him

[blissful seal]

he wouldn't know about his own creation ?

also I think it would be weird to have 2 VP creations as Cp-0 members

[hardy trench]

as i'd tried to imply with the mention of his willpower being "taken from him", i was trying to go for the idea that the world gov forced him to remove his willpower as an ultimatum to ensure his cooperation

he wouldn't have been the one removing the willpower or the one in charge of making it into lucci, the world gov would have done both

that said, this was 5 months ago and i was trying to focus more on the forest god akainu bit

[blissful seal]

removing his willpower..? sorry im not following 😭 but i get it its a "crack" theory

[hardy trench]

a similar process to the one by which he made the satellites, except it removed all of the singular trait that formed them instead of only some of it

like for the satellites he took a chunk of his brain that contained his logic and fashioned it into shaka, but before that the world gov took nearly all the chunks of his brain that contained his willpower and fashioned it into lucci

but again this isn't what i was trying to focus on at all

[blissful seal]

What were you triying to focus on

[hardy trench]

the forest god akainu bit

[blissful seal]

Where did you mention that

[hardy trench]

here before everything derailed

[blissful seal]

Ah ok I didnt see, I'll read later thanks

[smoky thicket]

so basically shanks crew is all non df users cuz they gon survive the flood and weve seen shanks only try to recruit marco to his crew but why would he do that if his crew is all non df users its cuz marco can fly and survive which makes the theory even more valid frl

[solemn briar]

That would be a really funny move from shanks

[heady lichen]

I think the major event that Toki travelled to the future for is this. This is what the Minks and others have been waiting for. The world sinking. The pole shift. It's still unclear whether it is supposed to be a man made event or a natural occurrence but I think it's more like both. It is a thing that is supposed to happen but needs someone to trigger it. That someone is Joyboy, and he does not intend to kill anyone but to bring forth the DAWN OF THE WORLD.

The void century Joyboy leading the Ancient Kingdom and the D. clan was supposed to be the cataclyst for this world sinking event. He was supposed to do something or the other to TRIGGER the world event, which would bring about the DAWN OF THE WORLD. A new era where all races including Fishmen could live freely in harmony on the surface. The Noah was built for the fishmen for this exact purpose. Joyboy DID NOT intend to kill anyone. He would've evacuated them through the ship coating or some way or another. This is why Rayleigh and the other Roger Pirates are stationed in certain parts of the grand line; to aid in the coming of the New Dawn since they know it will happen. Anyway, the 20 kingdoms did not like this idea. They thought it was crazy and seeked to revolt against the ancient kingdom. They fought a great war and as we know, the 20 kings won, erasing all records pertaining to that kingdom and banned research so that nobody ever has a possibility to start the world-sinking event.

Zunesha had a role to play during the war but fucked up somehow (his crime) which caused the 20 kings to win.

My guess is that the way Joyboy is supposed to start the world sinking event is through the ancient weapons. He was in command of all of them at some point. As evident from the Iron Giant, his heartbeat is the power source and the key for these weapons to be used, besides Poseidon. Luffy has no idea about this though, and I dont really know how hes going to fill the shoes of the old Joyboy but Oda will cook.

or quite possibly Luffy's true dream is the same as the old Joyboy's which is theorized to be throwing a party with the whole world, and he achieves that by triggering the sinking event.

[eager frost]

i bet it has nothing to do with world going under water. ppl need to realize these are pirates and they spend majority of the time at sea, with or without DF. humans survival won't depend on their ability to swim alone.

[pure raven]

There is a theory that Luffy will become a swordsmen soon he was already swordsmen in that blue form but the latest color spread also shows him with a sword

[cunning iron]

Swordsman like Roger/Shanks/Law or swordsman like Oden/Mihawk?

[latent minnow]

ig Roger/Shanks

[cunning iron]

Luffy has his sandals anyway he doesn't need a sword to convey his CoC haki 🤣

[eager frost]

https://tenor.com/view/sike-zoro-gif-26134056

[pure raven]

The sword will just be an add on to his power I believe he will need to use it because relying on his fruit won’t work well against someone Blackbeard he probably wont be a top tier swords men like mihawk though

[pure raven]

See at first I didn’t think it could be true either but when looking at the other swords on the color spread they are nowhere near the quality of zoros and Luffys

[eager frost]

Luffy using sword was just a gag in wano. i don't see it being anything more than that in the future specially now that he can create anything he wants during a fight.

[golden crown]

well i have theory
didn't Vega punk said that the power of the devil fruits comes from like a parallel world or something
the power o their imagination
what if the tale that was funny and Roger saw it and they found out they are the tale or something
its highly unlikely but its cool to think about it
the parallel world is literally our world

[golden crown]

not as a swordsman
but something like Rayleigh or roger
itll be cool idk lol

[pure raven]

This is an egghead color spread I definitely can see him creating a sword in the middle of the fight

[eager frost]

yea that he could but i don't see him carrying one around like zoro

[safe cape]

Bartholomew Kuma helps Luffy and his crew escape Egghead island including Vegapunk and maybe even Bonney, by teleporting them

[pure raven]

It will allow him to expand his power out from relying on his devil fruit

[golden crown]

for like couple of episodes or something itll be cool
just for the fit you know
like with the coat and the sword like a pirate king

[cunning iron]

Luffy relies a lot on his devil fruit, that's true, but I don't see him becoming a swordsman in order not to rely on it anymore. Roger and Shanks use a sword only to convey their haki, and I'm half serious when I say Luffy could use his sandals or whatever object to do so. It's true though that Shanks and Roger's swords aren't ordinary swords, I suppose they can bear a great level of Conqueror Haki as opposed to a sandal XD
But Luffy not relying on his devil fruit at this point seems impossible considering his whole identity as Nika, the warrior or Liberation, the Sun God, comes from his DF

[pure raven]

Are you saying that Roger and shanks are haki men? And there is a theory that Blackbeard will be able to nullify g5 with kurouzua surely he would have to create a way to make up for this counter

[cunning iron]

Yes, I consider Shanks and Roger to be Haki men, like Whitebeard. And yes, it's possible that Blackbeard could nullify Gear 5 since it's a DF power. Luffy would have to fight only relying on his CoC in that case.

[eager frost]

if he can't rely on his df, he can use haki with his fist. that's what the training in wano was for. using a sword with or without haki is a different set of training and if luffy was going to use it properly, wano would've been the place for him to learn it.

[pure raven]

He needs a way to that haki out

[cunning iron]

His fists are more than enough, he was fighting Kaido like that before unlocking Gear 5

[pure raven]

Yes and he couldn’t compare to kaido’s weapon

[golden crown]

i was thinking like is there reason that all the pictures of nika he has a sword and spear
like is it randomly there just to be there
or like luffy will turn out exactly like the pictures of actual nika

[eager robin]

Who are the others apart from Rayleigh and the keeper of the whale that is stationed to a specific place?

[pure raven]

He will be this color spread is foreshadowing it

[cunning iron]

That's only because Luffy had just unlocked that new form of advanced CoC, and we could also question his pure level of CoC, it's not necessarily because he didn't have a weapon. Garp was called "Garp the fist" and never fought with a weapon, yet you can't claim that he wasn't on a similar level to the likes of Roger when he was at his prime.
By the way Gear 5 is a mode where Luffy can fight however he wants, giving him a weapon and make him fight exclusively with it would reduce his imagination and ability to fight as he pleases. We saw him creating a baseball bat recently, so Luffy doesn't really need a specific weapon imo

[golden crown]

i do think almost everyone needs a powerup for the next arc
like specially ussop franky and robin
i still don't get why they don't have any haki
that mud guy can take on all the straw hats now except sanji zoro luffy and jinbe
its kinda sad lol

[pure raven]

Garp does thorough training of his fists where Luffy doesn’t do comparing them isn’t a viable option in the event of Blackbeard countering g5 he won’t be able to fight however he wants and will have to rely on haki and with lowly trained fists he will lose 9/10 but then again we have to consider the factor of plot armor so it would be a 2/10 chance of losing