manga-theories

[modest skiff]

She is directly said to be from another family. But her hair is teal rather than blue, so maybe Lily got together with a family with green hair and Toki is their child

[misty canopy]

man people running wild with their lili theories

[junior nebula]

Black Beard and Caribou are related to Rocks and will both inherit Rocks's will.

[solar wing]

Since EggHead Island is the prelude of the Final Saga of the series here is how i think one piece will continue after the arc - ps idk abt spoilers it makes me exicted for the anime so i havet finished wano completely but ik what happens after wano

2nd Arc - Final Preparations Arc
after the arc the starwhats will seprate one last time
Franky Chopper stay at EggHead Island to learn more abt - machines, medicine
Zoro and jinbe go to wano where zoro finds and battles mihawk/ they go to mihawk so zoro can battle him
Robin Sanji and Usopp go to Elbaf so usopp can be brave master his observation haki and sanji n robin look for the final road ponyglpyh
Brook goes to check on Laboon
Luffy could go to the Revolutionary Army to meet Sabo his father and others/shanks
Nami could either stay at Egghead Island to learn about the world (i doubt) OR go with luffy to keep him in check
The randevu point could be elbaf or egghead island

3rd Arc (1) - Shank Arc
Once The strawhats rejoin they set sale with the new information of laugh tale during their journey they stop by Shanks Island to save Bartolomeo and make an alliance (unless this is done during the final preparations)

3rd Arc (2) - Laugh Tale
With the new information they set sail to laugh tale, after a long sail they finally set foot on laugh tale which they learn the worlds history
During this they learn that a new war will begin of the World Government Vs Straw Hats Red Hair Pirates and Revolutionary Army
An alliance would have already been made between the 3
They would begin to bring their armys together for the final arc

Final Arc - The Final War Arc
With the Revolutionary Army, Shanks Crew, and the Straw Hats and their Army(Straw Hats Grand Fleet, and all the countries the Straw Hats Helped) they begin their battle
During the battle blackbeard enters the battle
as all the members battle their final opponent
after the war the revoluntary army takes over to lead the world from their corrupted states

[fallow bobcat]

Where does cross guild factor in?

[solar wing]

i forgot they existed :/ + i was running out of space :V
But i guess shanks could convince buggy to join
and after zoros battle with mihawk he would join the final war in respect of the New strongest Swordsman
causing the Cross Guild to be apart of the war

so basically the Final War Arc is

World Government Vs Cross Guild, Revolutionary Army, Straw Hat Grand Fleet with all the straw hat countries they helped, Red Hair Pirate Fleets Vs Black Beard Pirates

For some of the final battles i could see that some like blackbeard could be its own arc or could be in the final arc but be juggled like luffy v blackbeard too luffy v akainu and sabo/koby v blackbeard from sabo/koby v akainu
koby could have been beat by luffy and shown the truth and rallies a group of traitors to fight back

the straw hats dream could also be moved to the final moments of the show so the 2nd arc could be entirely elbaf and alliancing

[signal lava]

I don't think Toki is Lili. Imo, Toki would be someone that's not too involved in the war in the void century and someone who's not really aware of reason for the war/what's happening behind the scenes of the war. But someone close/related to Toki will be an important figure of Joyboy/Ancient Kingdom's (or just whoever's opposing Imu) side. And at the end of the war, after the Joyboy/Ak's forces were defeated, Toki was told to use her fruit and travel to the future but probably she's not told what exactly to do in the future. Her not knowing all the details of what exactly happened in the void century and not having a goal after travelling to the future could support how Toki settled down with Oden and was ready to die without traveling to the future again. If Toki was Lili, and it's safe to assume Lili is an important figure in the war in the void century, she'd have a goal(which would be taking Imu one way or other). I don't think Lili would that easily settle down or prepare to die without taking down Imu or making sure that someone defeats Imu for sure.

[oblique isle]

Caeabou and his brother probably are hence the x on his chest and he literally kinda looks like the xebec siloutes if you ask me ( not saying there the same person but related ) I don't think back beard is related just a big fan of the other closest pirate ruler in the world. Kinda how Luffy looks up to Roger black beard looks up to rocks

[feral trellis]

I don't think Lili=Toki really works. There's a Wano clan she belongs to, and it's very rare for One Piece twists to contradict information we already know. They usually fill in unknown gaps and form unexpected connections

[final jolt]

Zoro asks if Luffy is the devil's son when he proposes either to join his crew or be left to die by the marines.

[rotund swift]

Genesis

[feral trellis]

If I had to take a guess for Lili it'd probably be Portgaz D Rouge, we really don't have much info on her at all given that she was a D in her own right and we know Toki joined up with the Roger pirates

[gritty kite]

Has anyone explored Rouge’s extended pregnancy being just toki sending her a few months(or whatever the extra pregnancy time she got) into the future? Does that fit in the timeline?

[feral trellis]

I think Toki leaves the Roger crew and stays in Wano until her death long before Roger's execution?
Our explanation for why Rouge died in childbirth is that she held Ace in too long, don't think we have a reason to doubt that

[weak arrow]

No it does not fit the timeline, but also greatly diminishes rouge’s sacrifice, so I’m also against the thought entirely

[iron current]

i doubt it, as Leafsnail said her death was explained by keeping Ace in her womb so long, Toki also didnt leave Wano after being left there with the kids before Oden went with Roger to Laughtale

[feral trellis]

might try and write this theory up later as a Reddit post - mind if I include this and mention you came up with it? I think it actually does fit well now I've thought about it

[inland cobalt]

No problem at all

[gritty kite]

Question is, did leaving Oden in wano happen more than 9 months before rogers death? Because if so, rouge could have been on the ship, they could go to toki and send rouge to the future. Not being with your love the last months of his life is a huge sacrifice as well.

[iron current]

the Roger Pirates disbanded, Roger went away to find someone to have a kid with while the rest of the Roger Pirates brought Oden to Wano

[inland cobalt]

Roger didn't see Oden off ?

[steady prism]

!theories

@blazing stirrup it's an interesting question, but please ask questions like that in #manga or #also-manga

@gritty kite @iron current @inland cobalt let's maybe move this Rouge/Oden/Roger timeline discussion to #manga-serious please.

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, power scaling, bounty predictions or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description. Posts here must be in paragraph form, preferably with evidence, not just a one line open question.

[steady prism]

Interesting point, but since that’s more of an observation than a theory, please use #manga or #manga-serious .

[strong galleon]

real

[brave sierra]

Yeah fr

[exotic rivet]

he’s gonna be waiting in laugh tale and pay sanji back for the fried rice

[strange hound]

Is he still relevant though?i mean he could be on some notable guys ship?shanks maybe?

[brave sierra]

Lol ye

[brave sierra]

yeh could be

[proud anchor]

I think Mother Flame is the fuel that powered many ancient technologies like the Giant Robot that attacked Marijois.

Vegapunk recreated the Mother Flame because he believed that when there is unlimited energy, there will be no need for wars.

Imu misused Mother Flame to power the ancient weapon Uranus.

This explains that although Vegapunk would not create a weapon of mass destruction, his invention was used for it.

[steady prism]

@scenic thicket interesting thought, but this channel’s for super long theories like the ones pinned. Please use #manga-serious for shorter thoughts like that.

@brave sierra please use #manga or #manga-serious for shorter thoughts like that. As I’ve just mentioned to Vetti, this is not the right channel for that.

[foggy citrus]

So I've seen the theory that blackboard has 3 personalities due to 3 guns and multiple dfs ect but as I was reading volume 96 I believe I found something else that may prove this since on the front cover I believe we see young teech and he's kinda got a glove on with 3 blades

[strange hound]

Point being?

[wide relic]

Might be a dumb take, but i think law will have a more important place in the story than most of the straw hats, even with their dreams

Will of D automatically makes him kinda important because of the checkered fate stuff, also eternal youth surgery, and also the fact that his fruit is the only fruit that can “control” the national treasure in mariejois, which is supposed to shake the world. His dream is also synonymous with robin and i don’t think it’s hard to believe they will learn the true history together.

[strange hound]

Not dumb...50% sh haven't made much progress on their dreams either

[misty rain]

Anyone else think Zeff will be revealed to have been a member of Rocks?

[heady saddle]

Nah
Wasn't he a captain (idk what the name of the crew is)

[misty rain]

Rocks was an Alliance of multiple crews I think. Big Mom was already a well know pirate when she was a member.

He could’ve also formed a crew after gods valley. I just think it would be weird if we don’t get more about him. Especially since we haven’t heard about All Blue for awhile.

[devout lagoon]

Personally I don’t think so. I think he was a rather important pirate back in his prime (maybe a new world pirate) but I would be surprised if he was a member of the rock’s pirates. I wouldn’t be opposed to the idea, but it’s not one I believe in myself

[desert latch]

He spent 1 year on the grand line before coming back to east blue so I don't think it unlikely he never made it to the new world

[devout lagoon]

Oh yeah forgot about that

Well in that case I doubt he was a rocks pirate even more

Tho tbf straw hats have only been sailing for less than a year

And all the other worst generation crews went to the grand line and thrived before the straw hats

[desert latch]

also fair, tho imagine you take the wrong line and get stuck on an island for 6 months

[lunar acorn]

I'd like to point out an obvious fact that's rather missed by some, as to the theory that buggy might be also a celestial dragon who's been found in a chest on god's valley, and a D. no less, making him Buggy D. Clown. The issue is that with Buggy, same as Shanks in the past, we didn't know and we still don't know what his family name is. His name is Buggy and he goes by "Clown" just like we know Shanks is the name and he goes by "Red Haired". Shanks family name has been revealed, but Buggy's family name hasn't been revealed yet, and it definitely isn't "Clown". So. Let's see how it plays out.

[devout lagoon]

Mentioning that made me think of little garden and dory and broggy. And like when did they leave??? Did one of them finally win? Who won? Was it a draw? How do they know shanks? So many damn questions

[desert latch]

Oda wringing his hands together as he adds yet another 5 mysteries in 1 chapter

[strange hound]

Did some research on the time lines and people's dialogues and it turns out the only time fishman island poneglyph could have been stolen was after the disbanding of the roger pirates or in the 18 year control of fishman island by whitebeard

[copper notch]

would love if more people gave an opinion on this!! and wondering if mods can check it out as a few ppl suggested to pin it/liked it.

[loud nimbus]

Yeah he only traversed the paradise portion of the grand line.

[pure raven]

So i was thinking ||since Blackbeard knows a lot about fruits, and definitely has all the things around determination, would he know how fruits are made to begin with, since vegapunk said that fruits are just a materialization of people's wishes and dreams?|| Kinda crazy to think about (op spoilers for egghead)

[lunar acorn]

people's dreams never end!

[devout lagoon]

Just a heads up you don’t need to put spoiler warning in manga channels 😁

[pure raven]

||that could maybe be related to why he's "more than one person, maybe his dreams are so multifaceted that he is basically more than a single person|| (more spoilers for egghead

[pure raven]

Oh I figure it would be better not to end up hitting anyone by accident
@lunar acorn they quite literally never end, never thought it would be so literal

[devout lagoon]

Anyone not caught up to manga has a special role that makes it so they can’t talk in these channels as to not disrupt chat/get spoiled. You’re all good so don’t worry. As for your theory on Blackbeard, my personal theory is that he has multiple personalities. Each soul can have 1 df, but if he has multiple souls, meaning he can have multiple dfs

[pure raven]

That does kinda relate to my original theory.
As fruits are directly related to people's dreams, one who has multiple people dreaming inside of him, can have more than one devil fruit.

It would be really, really interesting if his phrase was meant to be taken as "people's dreams never end, they are physical, forever to be in this world"

[devout lagoon]

My theory is more about how he has an equivalent to multiple personality disorder while yours is about how he has multiple dreams so big that it can’t be contained in one personality, leading to a fracturing his personality. Am I getting that right?

From what I can tell we have similar theory’s, you just have a different idea on how he got multiple personalities

[carmine crystal]

how do i make theories

[devout lagoon]

In what way? Are you talking about writing them out or structuring them or what? I can send examples of good theories if you want

[carmine crystal]

similar to this

[steady prism]

Just read a lot of theories (like the ones pinned). Then find something you find interesting and collect evidence/reasoning surrounding it. You can use #manga-serious to workshop the idea as well.

[carmine crystal]

ok

[devout lagoon]

there's a pretty good awakening theory pinned 😪 very informative on how to make a banger theory

[fallow mica]

I would like to support the blackbeard multiple personalities theory but i also stand by the fact that I hate whenever I see the posts on instagram about how the only support they give is the scene in jaya when luffy says “Its not him its them” cause in my mind it makes more sense to think about luffy referring to BB’s crew over BB having multiple personalities

[strange hound]

Marco said blackbeards body is unusual not his mind...well it may come under that but its just a single body so chances of it being true are minimum

[fallow mica]

Yeah i’m interested to see how oda is going to work it out but with 3 being as big of a number as it is for BB I’m going to say his limit is 3 but for what reason I would love to know what everyone thinks because i’ve heard of some theories that I do like about it and others that i very much doubt/hope oda isn’t going to do

[vale violet]

is it possible that devil fruits can only awaken for conqueror haki users?
im watching a scene of kidd using assign against BM. and the anime made it seem like he used haki alongside his df ability
i got a feeling that to be intune with your df. you gotta have a huge ego or great haki.
same way how luffy awakening his df at around his haki peak. i say this bc also because devil fruits, zoans specifically are said to have a mind of their own. but with how devil fruits in general got levels of control and mastery, like luffy's gears or laws many techniques, i feel like being at your peak haki means you should be able to awaken

also, to add onto that. i think a logia would be pretty hard to "master" bc the floor of mastery is already so high bc they are so easy to use. the ceiling for a logia is probably unfathomable (admiral tier stuff)

speaking of. maybe a really good logia user, when they die. the reincarnated df becomes a zoan. and thats why some mythical zoans have elemental powers for no apparent reason

so, we mightve had so many flame flame fruits. or ice ice fruits around the world in the past 1k years. with marco and yamato having some crazy elemental stuff based on fire and ice

dang i really typed ALOT. mb lol

[vale violet]

I remember why I made this entire theory. It is because I think joyboy really did eat the gomu gomu no mi. It was real and when joyboy died, it became the hito model zoan. The gomu gomu no mi is REAL!!!

Joyboys life and haki made him into the sun god title. Like how ryuuma became the sword god.

[fallow mica]

I dont think anyones made like a large theory about it but i think its a common one that gets thrown around here and there

[west vessel]

Either Caribou's certain someone is Blackbeard and the reason one of his ships is pulling up to Egghead is specifically due to him contacting Blackbeard or his commanders so he can get rescued and or discuss the information he learned about Wano

Or it's Law and Beppo who managed to steal a ship from Blackbeard and are heading towards Egghead to reunite with the strawhats or out of sheer desperation to escape Blackbeard knowing he wouldn't follow

I'm split between which to pick. On the one hand if Law reunites with Strawhat he'd become a member of his crew. And Law will tell Luffy about the the man with the burned scars.

On the other hand if Blackbeard himself is coming to Egghead this is a wonderful fight moment where we get a 2 way between 2 Emperors and the Marines. And given Caribou is aware Pluton is on Wano, Blackbeards next target is likely going to be Wano. Since the areas defenses aren't quite up to par to survive Blackbeard. Blackbeard is no doubt interested in the ancient weapons.

[devout lagoon]

Unless lucci and kaku are conquerors Haki users, I doubt it

[still rapids]

I hope atleast lucci has conquerors

[devout lagoon]

Lucci doesn’t seem like a conqueror to me. He was groomed from a young age to be a government dog. Something a lot of people forget is that conquerors haki is given to people with a kingly will, and lucci doesn’t really have that

[loud nimbus]

Yeah exact on the point.

[novel cypress]

That works. So are you then proposing that ALL mythical Zoans were originally other devil fruits or just a select few? Or did they all convert into MYTHical devil fruits due to the belief in the will of the devil fruit's previous user...

[novel cypress]

Exactly

[steady prism]

!theories

@vale violet appreciate the depth you went to in your thoughts, but this is better discussed in #manga-serious since it’s more of a running set of thoughts on devil fruits, awakenings, and logias turning into zoans than one central idea. Let’s move any further discussion on it there please.

@wispy wedge Please use #manga for shorter thoughts like that.

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, power scaling, bounty predictions or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description. Posts here must be in paragraph form, preferably with evidence, not just a one line open question.

[gritty kite]

Law and the jailer beasts would need to be conquerors too

[devout lagoon]

Not jailer beasts, because I doubt those are actual proper awakening. But yeah, law would also need conquerors

[tepid coral]

Jailer beasts were more like forced awakening

[gritty kite]

Jailer beasts were stated to be awakened. Thinking they were force awakened or improper awakening is headcanon.

[steady prism]

I’ve already asked noctane this, but this awakened/conqueror’s discussion is probably better discussed in #manga-serious

[mental echo]

shanks might be related to the leader of the holy knights

armament and observation aren't pure haki the only pure haki is unadvanced conquerers

beacause u incorporate ur body in obsevation and amament but when you use conquers Ur just releasing pure willpower

[steady prism]

@mental echo since this channel is for longer in-depth theories (like the ones pinned) could you please elaborate a bit more and explain what you mean by “unadvanced conqueror’s”? Kind of just sounds like willpower to me. Also, not everyone is able to exert conquerors but can use other forms of haki. If all haki is conqueror’s than why is it that those non-users cannot use it? Do you have any in-story examples to help explain your point?

[mental echo]

i mean as in

[steady prism]

Also the shanks comment is a common one but is kind of out of place with your haki claims.

[mental echo]

like the haki luffy used when he was in marineford when he just screamed and not advanced conquers when u imbue it with ur armament

[steady prism]

Why isn’t that just conqueror’s haki? Calling it “unadvanced conquerors” is strange

[leaden mason]

he was tryna make a distinction between conqueror’s haki and armament, and untrained conqueror’s haki

[steady prism]

Okay, so Coby in Marineford demonstrated untrained Observation haki all. The idea that Observation/Armament uses the body while Conqueror’s uses the person’s willpower is a nice observation.

[last chasm]

Thoughts on Blackbeard using Kizaru as his bargaining chip?

Blackbeard is a hard counter to him. Despite being able to move at light speed and control light, black holes are powerful enough to suck in all light and leave him unable to escape.

[devout lagoon]

Read this then get back to me #manga-theories message

[devout lagoon]

I mean I don’t see the wg caring that much about an admiral. Garling executed a celestial dragon, so an admiral dying would just be a “whoops” moment and then they get a new one

[fickle loom]

Kizaru is still pretty strong and the wg really needs strong people like him now

[inland cobalt]

So they work with a Yonko? At that point use garp as your leverage he holds way more symbolic value anyway.

[devout lagoon]

He’s important but not important enough to give into demands of a yonko like BB

Shanks is one thing due to his mostly pacifist nature, but BB is a while different beast

[ivory urchin]

But the CD execution is not something that anyone outside of Holy Land will ever hear about (according to the narrator), as opposed to an admiral dying — that seems like something that the Navy and marines would have to hear about. The WG probably wouldn’t care, but what about the marines and other top officers of the Navy?

[gritty kite]

I think we have talked about that before, we have absolutely no clue of how previous users of the fruits were. For all we know previous hito hito fruit could for example be a good person musician who used sound attacks with strings and was also awakened. It’s based on confirmation bias. Since the characters use the fruits in ways fitting their personality, we might think the character suits the fruit, when it could be the other way around. If the old wano hag with mr 2s fruit was awakened your theory would say it’s because the original fruit owner was a deceitful person. If mr2 does the awakening you would say it’s because the fruit embodies okama philosophy (be who you want, be any gender etc).

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, power scaling, bounty predictions or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description. Posts here must be in paragraph form, preferably with evidence, not just a one line open question.

[sinful bolt]

Since the EoS of One Piece revolves around Geocentrism vs Heliocentrism, Luffy's actual dream might be going to space. This could also be JoyBoy's laughable tale that Roger and his crew read on the last island.
Science is a prevalent part of the story. Geocentrism is the current ideology that the WG is pushing that the 5 planets (Jupiter, Saturn, Mars, Venus, Mercury) orbit around Imu (Earth, mother nature). God of the world. While Heliocentrism is the actual truth that the Sun is at the centre of the universe and the 6 planets with Uranus, Neptune (Poseidon), Pluto (Pluton) orbit around it.
800 years ago, during the Void Century, Imu (Earth) with Gorosei (5 planets) killed JoyBoy (Sun God) and Moon God (Dark Dark fruit) and destroyed the ancient weapons, Pluton and Uranus. Poseidon later dies after JoyBoy's death. The WG prohibits Void Century studies since then to cover the real truth about the world (Heliocentrism) and prevents uprising (Revolutionary Army).
The EoS will be Luffy's crew will realize how much bigger the world actually is and their adventure won't stop on the last island. With the help of One Piece technology, they will continue their journey into space.

[broken heron]

I love that theory, and it's totally plausible for it to happen in my eyes

[fringe barn]

That's an amazing theory. I'd love it if it turned out to be this way.

[feral trellis]

I like space travel ending for sure, it's the greatest possible reward for the characters who have already achieved their life goals on earth

[deft ice]

this will also mean we get one peice 2 !!

[whole lance]

While Heliocentrism is the actual truth that the Sun is at the centre of the universe
Nitpick: the center of the solar system
Great theory tho, helio vs geo is getting traction and i'm here for it

[primal egret]

Its been speculated by people that Moon is ancient weapon Uranus such that, it can be controlled to raise tides and cause floods(which also ties in with the idea of great floods in many religious books).

Also in chapter 0, Shiki said that Roger has an ancient weapon and Roger was also about to get caught at that moment when a storm came and Shiki's fleet was destroyed.

Wouldn't it be interesting if ancient weapons work in coordination with Uranus helping in forming tides, Sea Kings guiding the way for Ark Noah and Pluton?

This would also mean that the storm "D." will bring might not be a metaphorical but a literal storm!
Actually I just got another idea.

I am thinking, maybe an ancient weapon is not supposed to be able to destroy an island.

I mean I don't think Sea Kings can really do it easily.

The perception that an ancient weapon is supposed to be able to destroy an island could have come from Pluton's immense power because we have seen things like Enel's fruit, WB's fruit, non canon Dyna stones, Imu's mother flame/frame, Zunesha, Monsters at Thriller Bark, etc

Also the fact that although non canon, the one piece odyssey game showed another weapon of sorts of ancient kingdom which was capable of changin weather patterns(which again can be used to change the flow of sea).

[steady prism]

@serene meadow @lethal quest please use #manga-serious for shorter thoughts/comments like that. This channel’s for longer theories like the ones pinned.

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, power scaling, bounty predictions or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description. Posts here must be in paragraph form, preferably with evidence, not just a one line open question.

[feral trellis]

Noah definitely implies a sea level rise. I'd point out it'd technically be a way to create the "all blue"

[hard bramble]

Honestly, I'd kinda like it if the ending of One Piece, is the crew going off on a space opera we don't really get to see.

The outcome of course, Oda's leaving to fanfiction writers.

[pure raven]

The ending probably will be the crew disbanding - I feel like.

[exotic rivet]

Space travel as a dream could definitely be something that either makes others laugh out loud or be shocked, just like Luffy’s own dream

[hard bramble]

That could also be the case, I admit.

Honestly, I'm not gonna try to predict, I'll just let Oda cook.

[pure raven]

Honestly just hoping his health is doing fine and that his eye surgery went well, so that he can go on for like 1 - 2 decades.

There are some established Mangaka who only release like a few chapters each year. I really hope Oda has the power and energy to go crazy on that final part. - nough said

[feral trellis]

I posted this a while back, but part of the humour could be that Roger and his crew are the only people who know how small they are in the grand scheme of things. Like there are hundreds of stronger space pirates out there no-one else knows about

[pure raven]

To be honest, I feel like when Oda is finishing One Piece he is not going further. He will probably be late 60s then or even mid 70s.

I know a lot of Japanese people (also due to religion) see the lifespan as a continuation but at some point people are getting exhausted. Toriyama is not even drawing anymore.

(Sorry for the offtopic - I leave it like that)

[primal egret]

Interesting

[exotic rivet]

So like the idea of optimistic nihilism which is all the rage nowadays

[earnest glen]

I doubt it has anything to do with space travel because Luffy didn't brought it up in Egghead. When Vegapunk explain his research he didn't take that much interest at all

[gritty kite]

Do we have anything pointing to geocentrism vs heliocentrism appart from believing with no evidence that Imu is earth? Because a lot of theories were saying he was the sea. And we know Pluto wasn’t destroyed, it’s in wano which pretty much means in the hands of the ancient kingdom Allies.

[feral trellis]

I'd be very skeptical of the imu = umi backwards theory, that's not really how japanese works (it would be i mu vs u mi so different letters)

[whole needle]

Roger didn't do it because the treasure isn't ready yet ? wdym ? how was it not ready and what was not ready.. .. and once they reach there why did everyone start to laugh ? what was there to laugh

[magic cipher]

Guys i have a theory about zoro

Zoro is from D clan.
In dressrosa law said that the D. family are called as "The sworn enemy of the gods" the god = celestial dragons...and we all know zoro's iconic 9 sword style which is called the "Ashura" by zoro.The word "Ashura" refers to a group of ppl(Totally 9) .The ashuras are actually from the indian history and they are known as "Sworn enemy of gods" in indian history.we all know sworn emeny of gods means the enemies of the celstial dragons

[high quail]

So I’ve been thinking a lot about the ancient weapons lately now that we have a confirmation of the Gorōsei real names. How their names correspond to planets just like the ancient weapons, why the only weapon so far that is not a a physical person is Pluton and why Rogers knowledge of one of the weapons ties much of this together. So here we go. the Gorosei are ancient weapons but are unknown to the world because of the 100 year gap. Why else would they also have similar naming schemes to the ancient weapons, I doubt it’s a coincidence. I also suspect we will see this kind of ancient power displayed on egghead soon with Jaygarcia Saturn. The ancient weapon Pluton is named after its creator, who was a genius similar to Vega Punk, but more advanced and had the tech to make the ancient weapons work. Pluton is also not just a ship that can travel to space itself, but more importantly a ship with its own independent power source. We can also make a similar assumption that we have seen a prototype ship similar via Enels ship that lacked the independent power source without Enels specific devil fruit. Lastly I believe the final weapon Uranus will be revealed to be the one that Roger had knowledge of. This comes from Uranus being the most mysterious and least talked about. it will be the most powerful of all the weapons. It will be similar to the weapon Imu used for testing, but more powerful and with its own independent power source that is currently missing from Vega Punks creation. It will be a planet destroyer, also named after its creator, a genius that was more wicked and the main reason why the 100 year gap happened in the first place, to avoid the destruction of the world itself everything had to be wiped out from the time the power source was created to keep someone from creating a power source strong enough. It’s the same reason Roger refused to give the weapon to Shiki, as he would use it to hold the world hostage and was crazy enough to actually use it.

[ashen surge]

I've talked about the naming scheme of ancient weapons and gorosei names previously: #manga-theories message

[carmine moon]

I'm starting to notice a lot of signs that Laugh Tale could be in West Blue. Binks's sake has a chance to have something to do with One Piece (some people even theorizing that it is the One Piece). Brook is said to be from West Blue. Robin is from Ohara, once again west blue. Even Shanks mentioned that his hometown is in west blue (might have been a lie, unsure). One fact that they all share is that they know the song of Binks's sake, which means that it might be originated from West Blue.

And on a sidenote... the sun always rises from East (Luffy, Sun God, East Blue), and sets on West, maybe to indicate that his journey ends there?

[unkempt yew]

I think the weapon that blasted Lulusia is acid rains
acid rains can burn anything and we know Uranus is the highest weapon and its in the sky

and "Uranus" has a linguistic origin that means sky or at the top
and in the Rivery arc we saw revoulutionary army in lulusia and their was storms and rainy weather
(not my first language)

[steady prism]

@last bramble please use #manga or #manga-serious for short thoughts about Kaido and BM.

@unkempt yew Yes there were dark clouds in Lulucia, but it was not raining when the Revolutionary army were there. I don’t think it was raining when Imu destroyed it either. Even if we say it was raining, I’m curious how you’d explain the explosion we saw in ch1060. How does acid rain produce that big of a reaction?

[drifting nymph]

so my theory is about the poneglyphs and think I know who is the man marked by flames and it’s dragon, back when roger was fighting shiki dragon (marine)was told to go there to stop it but instead helped roger, roger was cornered by shiki and his Allied ships which was said to be stronger then roger then out of nowhere there was a storm caused by wind which was probably done by dragon now think back to how dragon could gotten the last ponwglyph is because roger knew dragon was perfect fit to take it since roger went to laugh tale I think there was a note that said to guide joyboy roger knew he wasn’t joyboy and said he was too early so he told shanks to find joyboy and crocus and Rayleigh to guide joyboy and lastly dragon to welcome joyboy and the last poneglyph is in vila and all the emperor will fight in that island to get the last poneglyph

[steady prism]

!theories @tall hatch this channel’s for long in-depth theories like the ones pinned. Please use #manga or #manga-serious for shorter thoughts like that.

[lone hedge]

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[unkempt yew]

acid can burn things that explode

[hybrid sky]

Today I was thinking I’m gonna cook

What If Roger was talking about his normal Treasure that he left on the “last island” but he was early and this “great treasure” was not opened

why wasn’t it opened? He came too early and didn’t have these requirements but later after a long time someone “later” comes that’s exactly like roger who somehow have the same dream as the man before him

I’m Thinking Roger Left his Treasure in one place and pirates will just have to find it but that didn’t asked Mr Ask D. Question Main Question

I think That Roger is betting on the future to open this gate to this treasure called the “one piece”

Which would mean shanks also who’s betting on luffy who have the same dreams and would have this “key” that Roger couldn’t achieve and check if the treasure requires a key or just pure timing

what I’m thinking is that Roger knew someone would cook in the future by saying “I left everything on one island” meaning you would have to find it but you can’t use it if your not worthy

That’s The End Of My First Theory and also i believe that shanks wants to find out this key and treasure through luffy

[rancid tulip]

i do belive they are of the same 'secret' race, same as Kuma's

[inland cobalt]

That would be interesting

[chilly heart]

luffy didnt want to be gender neutral he might be talking about bb not being one but 3 people hence his jolly roger and ability to eat 2 fruits

btw dont call me out for just ripping off every one piece youtuber ever coz i am calling myself out first it's not my original theory i saw ohara making a vid on it

[tepid coral]

@quasi sluice hey fella , please check out the channel description. This chat is for well elaborated upon serious theory discussion and not really for joke theories and stuff, you can go to the other manga channels except #manga-serious for stuff like that.

[fallow bobcat]

Ok the points made quite a bit of sense but surprisingly the sunset was the part that sold me. I still think laugh tale is in the Grand Line but Luffy will probably eventually end his journey either in Loguetown or in the west blue

[fringe barn]

So I haven't being really seeing theories regarding the giant straw hat that Imu was observing. Does anyone have anything on their mind concerning this topic?

[oblique isle]

Just nothing that's hard evidence. IV seen people say it might be joy boys hat, or Uranus . One interesting one I think came from it is original orsz being joy boy ? But tbh we just know nothing about it other than the one panel we seen

[fringe barn]

I guess that's why I haven't heard anything either. But then again I feel like people might be ignoring it's importance. For me the hat, how Roger found it or who gave it to him, why he gave it to Shanks and afterwards was inherited by Luffy is one of the most crucial points of the story.

[oblique isle]

Seems like it could be the crown of " that nation" but why it has to be frozen. It was in like a cooler right? Or was that just dust drifting around

[inland cobalt]

I assume it was frozen to preserve it over 800 years it’s a straw hat it wouldn’t naturally survive that long

[oblique isle]

If it's even a straw hat tho

[brittle orbit]

No

[fossil fox]

My theory is that the D. Clan are the descendants of the first pirate crew, and were probably called the dawn pirates. Joyboy was probably their captain, and I think Lili defected from the world government, and her duties as queen, to sail the world, spreading the poneglyphs with a ragtag crew of pirates which included joyboy, Lili, a giant or two, and zunesha. Then when the crew disbanded, the individuals passed the D. name through their families.

[pure raven]

I don't think the world government existed before the 800 year void

[wicked stag]

Like that idea

[silk flicker]

Has anyone heard the theory about mihawk’s sword being an entity and that we have not seen mihawks actual power yet, just his sword?

The idea is that it’s similar to enma and zoro, how it has its own will etc.

[modest skiff]

I have not but it sounds interesting. Feel free to share it in detail here.

[silk flicker]

I have a tiktok to credit that explains it, can I post it here?

[modest skiff]

You can post TikToks in #manga or #also-manga . But if you want to post videos in here or #manga-serious , you need to provide a nice meaty description of what the video says and the kind of evidence being given. Doesn’t need to be a word for word retelling, but we ask for some detail

I appreciate you asking before posting!

[silk flicker]

Okay so the theory is that yoru, mihawks black blade has a will of it’s own and up until now we have only seen the power of the blade. Implying mihawk hasn’t used any of his personal power whatsoever.

First bit of evidence being Mihawk telling zoro he will sink him with the black blade, the strongest blade in the world - and we know swords have their own will, or can and this is -the strongest-

Next bit is at marineford when jozu stops mihawk’s slash “it was stopped, the worlds greatest sword strike was stopped!!!”
When mihawk begins chasing luffy he says to shanks “sorry red hair, but this power knows no restraint” “now fate, how will you deal with this heaven sent boy?”
“Will his life end here, or will he escape this black blade?”
This is implying the decision is up to yoru his sword.

Using zoro as an example with enma, it forces the user to use large amounts of ryuuou (haki). We can only imagine how much yoru requires being stronger than enma. Zoro has to tame enma and it was KILLING him, yoru must have had to be tamed by Mihawk the same way, or in a similar fashion.

It seems like Mihawk is saving his personal strength for a worthy opponent and only using Yoru in the series so far.

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8JcqVp4/

This is the content creator who I saw come up with the theory.

[ivory urchin]

I’ve seen a similar theory where Mihawk IS Yoru. Like you mentioned, inanimate objects such as swords can have their own will. The idea is that Yoru has been waiting for someone truly worthy of wielding it, and has waited so long for a swordsman that is truly worthy, that it manifested itself into a human form (Hawk-Eye) to search for the right person.

[steady prism]

!theories @pure raven this channel's for long in-depth theories. Please use #manga for shorter thoughts like that.

[lone hedge]

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[silk flicker]

I actually really like that idea. Also I recall oda saying if the non - DF users on the straw hats were to have one, that he would want Zoro’s sword to eat kaido’s fruit (SBS 98 I believe) so there may be a potential spoiler there in his suggestion, but that’s pure speculation/shot in the dark not really a theory about what Yoru/Mihawk power is in store. Thanks for sharing your theory as well.

[ashen surge]

I really disagree with the evidence. In here Mihawk deliberately says he left zoro alive. Secondly jozu stops mihawks' air slash which can be considered much weaker than a physical hit from a sharp blade.

About Luffy: "Now fate, how will you deal with this heaven sent boy?” Will his life end here, or will he escape this black blade?”

Mihawk is talking about fate here and affirming that it's not entirely up to him if Luffy will live or die. Talking about fate directly contradicts the idea that it's up to Yoru. A very confusing argument. If it was Yoru calling the shots on who lives and who dies, wouldn't that make Yoru an omnipotent executioner who freely chooses who lives or dies?

[steady prism]

!theories @vagrant urchin please use #manga or #manga-serious for short predictions.

[lone hedge]

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[vale plover]

Is the idea of the 5 gorosei being ancient weapons that wild? The 3 god names we’ve known so far are legit ancient weapons, but here comes 5 dudes with the names of the other 5 planets and nobody even suspect of the possibility. Even goes on par with some of irl lore. Earth (Imu) incapable of controlling/seeing the other 3 rogue weapons. The 3 planet name gods that couldn’t be discovered until the age of technology. Which is confirmed to be a distinctive thing about the ancient kingdom. Idk man 🤓

[silk flicker]

Oh I don’t think yoru is in control of him, wasn’t my theory either just passing it along because I liked the idea. I think that his sword has a will of it’s own, and I think that’s fair considering enma (a weaker blade) has one. I do see what you mean about that one specific moment though 🫡

[gritty kite]

It’s in a weird spot. While the naming could indicate that, 9 weapons is a lot. The three were said to be enough to control the world, if world government has 5 of them why would they even need Pluto, they would delete any opposition. With two of the three heavily hinted to be technological vessels, it’s weird to think the other 5 are people.

[ashen surge]

#manga-theories message I did an analysis of the naming scheme regarding gorosei and the AK which I give more weight due to Poseidon called Poseidon instead of Neptune

[wispy nexus]

Maybe 3 weapons are more tangible, while the other 5 are more concept based

[oblique isle]

I find it hard to believe tho only one weapon is a living thing. Like how do you make a living organism a weapon anywyas. Pluton has always been weird to me tho because we know it's a battle ship and that they made blueprints to counter it but how could you do something like that Poseidon ?

[lone raptor]

What if pluton its an alive ship

[vale plover]

Exactly

[lone raptor]

Like the bazukka of mr.4

Poseidon its an acient weapon but in actuality is a mermaid with the power of controlling the sea kings

Beacuse all the gorosei have names of planets just as acient weapons. It can be presumed that all acient weapons are alive. Even tho they are objects just like in the case of Pluton

[vale plover]

And I also don’t think all gorosei are weapons. You all know how Oda is. He will do them all unique and different not just humans with god power.

1. Pluto my be a living weapon like jjmp said. Or it might be activated by a specific blood line. Making that family or person technically the ancient weapon (analogous to Shirahoshi being the controller of the sea kings which are the real damage dealers)
2. For Saturn I was thinking something like Pluton. A machine only he can operate. He is a defense science god and we just saw a weapon that destroyed an island in one shot (“created”by Vegapunk). I’m talking about the weapon with a RING kinda referencing Saturns ring.
3. The rest can be like: one gorosei can control idk beast, another can have a special virus that comes from their body idk something silly. One can have a god devil fruit that is an ancient weapon. I don’t know how Oda thinks cuz so far we have only one ancient weapon well structured that we know probably fully now it works (Poseidon). But that’s just some ideas

It’s not necessarily a ring but it looks like a bowl 😭 And this would fit with Saturn’s science thingy and references the planet’s look itself (idk what the god does)

[lone raptor]

The gorosei have some kind of DF prob Zoan cause their siluette changed when Sabo attacked them

[ashen surge]

Why do you keep insuniating that Pluton is a living thing when it has been confirmed multiple times that it’s a ship that was constructed in Water 7, there were blueprints so you could built more of them

[lone raptor]

What we mean was that indeed was a ship that was constructed in water 7 but it a will like zoans do or its controlled by bloodline

[oblique isle]

Idk I think pluton is the anti ancient weapon

Probably the ancient kingdom created it with there technology to combat the wg and it's possible the blue prints had the secret to energy source vegapunk was after.

[lone raptor]

Intrestin

[vagrant urchin]

thank you, sorry

[gritty kite]

We had an entire arc revolving about the plans for Pluto. And it’s in wano underground. It’s not a living being.

[upper schooner]

Noticed a trend with BB's crew and the fruits he's given to them.

A trend of them getting something they want/desire

Island fruit goes to a former king
The women known for cutting off face got the nin tails fruit
The alcoholic got the liquor fruit

This patterns follows every besides Sanjuan since he had his prior

[gritty kite]

It’s pretty obvious they are getting fruits they like/ suit them. They get to pick which fruits to target I guess.

[upper schooner]

Without a doubt it's just a interesting trend I see.

[mellow elm]

Just got to thinking about the fact that there is a jimbie PX I'm assuming they got his DNA at impel down so what if Ace was also cloned at the same time as the WG wanted him to be a warlord anyhow with no disobedience and is currently in possession of the black beards as payment from the glutton Vega Punk and either Garp or Luffy have to fight him

[ashen surge]

Boa and Mihawk were also cloned so I think VP got samples of all of them when they were still warlords

[slender fulcrum]

DNA manipulation. Its also whats devil fruit might do. Manipulate and change your DNA. AK was pretty much advanced and I could see it having a lot of enhanced human.

Judge work is just the tip of the Iceberg of what the AK could accomplish

[gritty kite]

Tbh the Poseidon thing is harder to explain as DNA manipulation than as something mystical. A DNA manipulation that only manifests once every x years in only one person at a time, and with a princess prerequisite is quite yelling “not science “

We have the zoan fruits with a will of their own and swords with a character, it’s pretty clear OP world has some mystic stuff too. Some paramecias (not to mention logias) are so fantastic that explaining them as science is beyond absurd, they are better explained as magic at this point. Magic/spirits/whatever is easier to accept than DNA manipulation allowing someone to change others people personalities to other bodies(law) or big moms devil fruit, or even Sr Pink’s fruit. Try to explain sugars fruit as sugar having modified DNA (specially the everyone forgets the person no matter where they are part).

[steady prism]

@meager hearth please keep short “what ifs” like that in #manga

[lone hedge]

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[slender fulcrum]

Its perfectly logical if you have recessive genes that were " programmed " to activate after xxx years.

[steady prism]

@untold mango please use #manga or #manga-serious for short “what ifs” like that. This channel’s for long in-depth theories (like the ones pinned)

[untold mango]

i apologize about that

[gritty kite]

No it’s not. Recessive genes don’t activate after x time, they activate if they are inherited from both parents. In genetics you can maybe program something in x generations (and that’s if you control the genetics in all the couplings leading to your result specimen) but never in x years across a variable number of generations. And there is absolutely no way to avoid for example, more siblings ( or their contemporary cousins of the same bloodline) having the same genetic mods. Trying to explain shirahoshi with genetics is completely absurd, in any case, it’s a reincarnation cycle or that kind of thing.

[steady prism]

@signal sky please use #manga or #manga-serious for shorter observations like that.

[slender fulcrum]

In a fictional world where people were sure that the intended being would be born after XXX years, and who got a tech capable of materializing dream into devil's fruit and cloning and enhancing being through DNA is possible, and with world shaping weapon, its - I reiterate - perfectly imaginable. those responsible for all of this knew perfectly and could apparently read the future or imagine how things would unfold, so through a complex algorithm and stuff they could predict and activate stuff XXX years later.

[gritty kite]

Fruits that alter your dna to have paranormal abilities and those fruits being able to be replicated by science by copying the effects of the fruits is something I can buy. There is no “technology materializing dreams”, fruits exists, a scientist can copy their effects by studying them and he THINKS those fruits are possibilities for human evolution that someone desired. The whole Shirahoshi thing makes zero sense to be science based, at some point claiming it’s science it’s less believable than just saying it’s reincarnation. I can’t know which route Oda will go but I really hope it’s not DNA in shirahoshi s case, because that would be very dumb . I don’t know how you can be so sure on it being science based tbh.

[slender fulcrum]

I didn't say I was sure of it, I said that given the particular context of the manga, it could be possible and imaginable.

[steady prism]

!theories @pure raven please refrain from making one-line joke theories in this channel. Use #manga instead

[undone hull]

so what is the biggest theory so far about who the man marked by flames is?

[willow ferry]

Check pinned, sterli had a very good one

[steady prism]

!theories @pure raven please ask “what if” questions in #manga or #manga-serious

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, power scaling, bounty predictions or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description. Posts here must be in paragraph form, preferably with evidence, not just a one line open question.

[shut latch]

Aokiji might get ice ice cause he has a cold personality

[inland cobalt]

Damn your right that’s a great one I do think it’s more likely that crocus is working with the man marked by flames than being the person himself.

[fervent trench]

Something's been on my mind for a while.
What if One Piece is the "story of Devil Fruits", who choose their hosts and manipulate them according to their will in order to fulfill their own cause? Consider the following facts:

1. The Mero Mero no Mi - a Paramecia-type Devil Fruit that allows the user to turn opponents into stone using emotions of love, lust, or adoration. This fruit was specifically eaten by Boa Hancock, whose charm enhances the power of the fruit.

2. The Kibi Kibi no Mi - a Paramecia-type Devil Fruit that enables the user to create "dango" from their cheeks, which can tame animals and beings with animal-like characteristics. This fruit was present in Wano, where the Beast Pirates resided.

3. The Nikyu Nikyu no Mi - it transforms the user into a "Paw Human" and was consumed by a person named Kuma, whose name translates to "Bear" in Japanese. The fruit's power aligns perfectly with Kuma's bear-like nature.

4. The Nomi Nomi no Mi - a Paramecia-type Devil Fruit that allows the user's brain to expand indefinitely with new knowledge, essentially turning them into a "Brains Human." This fruit was eaten by the genius scientist Vegapunk.

These examples demonstrate a pattern where Devil Fruits seem to match the personalities or characteristics of their users. And this is true for all Devil fruits.
However, the most intriguing aspect of this theory is the Yami Yami no Mi.

The Yami Yami no Mi is a Logia-type Devil Fruit that grants the user the ability to create and control darkness at will, effectively turning them into a "Darkness Human." This fruit was eaten by Marshall D. Teach, also known as Blackbeard. In Chapter 440, during Blackbeard's confrontation with Ace, he claimed that the fruit chose him. If this statement holds true for all Devil Fruits, it suggests that each fruit selects its own host.

To be continued..

What if the Yami Yami no Mi and the Hito Hito no Mi, Model: Nika are inherently 'connected in enmity from their very creation', making their hosts, Blackbeard and Luffy, natural enemies?

The Yami Yami no Mi, known to embody the will of darkness, and the Hito Hito no Mi, Model: Nika, symbolizing the dawn, inherently possess contradictory wills right from their very creation.

While this theory may sound far-fetched, it raises interesting questions about the compatibility between Devil Fruit powers and their users. Is it merely a plot device, or is there a deeper connection at play?

Additionally, it is worth noting that Zoan-type fruits are said to possess a will of their own. Whether this characteristic extends to other types of Devil Fruits still remains unknown.

Is this sound ridiculous?? 🤔
I would appreciate your thoughts on this.

[lunar acorn]

and Sube Sube no mi chose purposefully Alvida for a particular and specific reason, all true.

[misty rain]

Has anyone discussed who the 11th straw hat is? Because I’d argue it’s obviously gonna be Vivi coming back. In order to line up with Blackbeard

[clear kraken]

My reasoning is more so

1. She’s being set up right now to be a pivotal player in the end game
2. I think she might inherit the paw paw fruit and be pivotal for info dissemination as a result and I’d argue her ancestor had it too
3. She’s an ideal candidate for trying to unite the world after the world government falls

[misty rain]

Candidates like Yamato and Carrot will probably act more like members of the grand fleet. With the countries previously saved becoming allies for the final battle.

[fallow bobcat]

Fruit speculation: St. Topman Warcury

This isn't really based on his planet title or his name, but I think Mercury has the mythical Ushi Ushi no Mi: Model Baku, or dream eater. I originally considered a navy or judge based power due to his title but couldn't settle on anything. I think that Mercury's role is to eat the dreams of the most dangerous people incarcerated in Impel Down, breaking their spirit and preventing them from escaping. That would explain how it took 2 whole years for Shiki to break out of prison even though he was an extremely powerful pirate.We also see a member of the Gorosei who looks like Mercury (judging by the large moustache) going in to bite Sabo and Cobra as they flee the throne room. Additionally, it's even in the original mythology of the Baku that they will eat the good dreams of children who call on them too much, taking their hopes and desires with the dreams.

The theme of dreams is so synonymous with piracy that taking it away means that most pirates would lose all meaning. Big Mom, Kaido, Whitebeard, Luffy and even Roger were all driven by their aspirations, that's what gave them such powerful Haki. Now if Mercury was able to take that from the most powerful prisoners for an extended time, that would weaken them immensely.

Also, even his silhouette resembles a Baku. They are described as a sort of hybrid of multiple animals, notably elephants and rhinos. Based on that, what can we see in Mercury's transformed silhouette? Ears resembling that of a rhino or elephant, albeit shrunken down, and a large moustache that could very well have turned into tusks since it's both keratin anyway.

PS. This is my first long form theory on the channel so the phrasing isn't the best, but what do y'all think

PPS. I'll also be making theories for the other members of the Gorosei, but this was the most fleshed out and original I had, plus I just wanted to take it down before I forgot

[rapid carbon]

Random theory - scopper gaban ate the seagul fruit and he is now known as Morgans

[deft ice]

when Blackbeard fought luffy at inpel down didnt luffy lost is ability of rubber? i wonder if now in gear 5 he will also lost his df ability's fighting BB

[fallow bobcat]

That's literally how the fruit works

[pure raven]

I think that’s interesting adding in his whole justice thing (on that do you think he will have a justice epitaph like an admiral?). Im not entirely sure bc if their removed were removed well first when croc is stuck in prison don’t they get him out by showing him his dream? And also we see alot of the impel down ppl having active motivation. Tbh impel down for anyone is hard to get out of. But I would like some sort of dream eater maybe he can only do it partially or smth it def sounds interesting

[fallow bobcat]

That's why I specifically said people like Shiki and Shiryu, THE most dangerous and important prisoners. Of course Mercury can't take the dreams of every single prisoner but they need to keep the really dangerous ones in check.

[pure raven]

Hmm I think that’s true but I think if it is true that it’s odd that shiki and shiryu seem to have motivation all the same

Like shiryu for example goes back to normal the moment he gets a chance it seems like it’s the conditions they live in ngl

[fallow bobcat]

Yeah that's true, of course it's a wonky theory but I found it interesting just how long Shiki was unmotivated for, and he was by far the most dangerous prisoner there

[digital crest]

Good theory. It matches the silhouette.

[hybrid axle]

guys my theory theory no mi is wildin but why i feel like black beard has 3 personalities and he has 3 of everything so what if he is split into different people so currently he has 2 souls within him hence 2 fruits and the 3rd soul is actually shanks and bb gave shanks his scar so maybe its related idk and maybe the souls keep interchanging between each other cuz we know shanks also has different personalities. It may just be him wearing a mask but idk

[pure raven]

tbh impel down is pretty wel guarded and also I think just being in his position might have been naturally demoralizing. Tbh I like this dream eater idea tho ngl

[fallow bobcat]

Tbh I thought of it in the Sabo chapter just based off the silhouette, it's only with the role reveal and stuff that I actually had some reasoning

[ivory urchin]

Interesting theory. Which is Silhouette is even Topman? I can’t make out who is who

[cold dew]

I have a theory that these blocks around Egg Head Island aren't just typical blocks. I think they are japanese language, specifically Katakana.

And this leeter circled in this picture could represent ウ

[ivory urchin]

What does that even mean though

[cold dew]

That means there could be a secret message hidden from the turquoise blocks that spin around the egg like the rings of Saturn. They are more than just blocks floating. Like Dawn and Dusk fro youtube said, there are multiple meanings as well as lost translation.

[ivory urchin]

Wow I just noticed that punk records looks like Saturn 🪐 totally missed that

[devout lagoon]

I feel like Yamato by the end of next arc

[fallow bobcat]

You can tell from the positions they were in when they were about to kill Cobra, Mercury is the one who looks like he has a giant moustache or tusks

[drowsy roost]

Am I the only one that doesn't think Garp is Dragons father? I don't recall it ever being specifically stated the relationship was by blood. The only reference that ever seem to be made is that luffy is dragons son, and also Garps father. The relationship is an assumption that people make because they have the same last name. What is to say that Dragon didn't take Garps daughter's name. We have never seen her talked of, her loss could be the driving factor behind Dragons path towards becoming a revolutionary, as well as Garps refusal to become an Admiral.

[fast orbit]

I have a theory on how big mom might still be alive the theory is that when big mom and kaido got sent into that volcano she died and kaido died too but instead of her devil fruit resurrecting her soul possessed kaidos body rebirthing her except without kaidos devil fruit since he died in this theory

[devout lagoon]

I don’t really think kaido COULD HAVE died in the volcano. Aside from any durability scaling, it doesn’t make much sense for kaido to die here. Luffy hasn’t killed anyone yet, so I doubt he starts with kaido. What I believe is that kaido at least is still alive, but doesn’t enter the fray again. I’m willing to bet we get a wano cover story. Aside from seeing mono/hiyoro trying to make wano a better place, we also see kaido getting up and go somewhere peaceful to live on his own (maybe with his most loyal followers too, I can’t see him abandoning any of the calamities). The final time we ever see kaido is in a cover page titled something like “the beast gives up his claws”

Honestly with the knowledge you had back then you were kinda cooking, I doubt that’s still possible now. We know already about the snow fruit, meaning the ice fruit is the superior version. I doubt there can even be a water logia, as it would be a MASSIVE glass canon fruit. Can beat most DF users easily, but have to watch out to avoid harming yourself. But I don’t want to get into the powerscaling of it so I’ll drop it there

[strong flower]

If there was such a fruit, IF IT WAS then ig you are unbeatable

Abilities like
Controlling water around you at certain limit
Haki wont work on you
No Df's will work on you
Travelling with water

[devout lagoon]

Well haki would still work on you, just like any other logia. But this is getting too far into powerscaling, so we shouldn’t continue this here. If you want to continue to discuss this, @ me in #manga or just DM me

[ivory urchin]

There’s a longer version of that theory pinned in this channel that’s worth reading

I still like the theory that it’s an all black ship due to being coated in Haki at all times, with the introduction of a new powerful character that we haven’t met yet.

[pure raven]

that would be cool considering brook would be able to meet up with laboon

[inner fulcrum]

Abt the water logia, the only solution I see would be the rain god fruit, which seems to be pointing at dragon still, but I doubt the fruit has direct control of water

[serene nimbus]

I think roger laughed bc the one piece is a devil fruit and it was still growing so he couldn’t get it. Joyboy couldn’t get it either bc it was waiting for Luffy the whole time so he said he wishes he lived in the same time as joyboy to laugh w him. It’s also why shanks never went for the one piece even though he’s one of the only people in the world that knows what and where it is. The one piece is growing as Luffy grows so now he goes for it when he finally awakened. Also why I think buggy was so mad at shanks bc he really thought shanks was the one that the one piece was growing for

[steady prism]

!theories let’s move the “water devil fruit” discussion to #manga please

@hidden crane Please use #manga or #manga-serious to speculate on what the next arc/island could be. Not really the channel for open-ended question like that

@south smelt Please don’t make short one-line predictions like that here. Use #manga-serious for things like that. As others have already mentioned, this theory was already touched upon by someone else in pins: #manga-theories message

@serene nimbus the idea that the One Piece is some sort of growing fruit is interesting and can explain why Roger said “we’re too early”. However, why is that the reason Roger wished he lived in Joyboy’s era? Wouldn’t Joyboy have been the one who planted it?

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[serene nimbus]

Bc the fruit wasn’t for joyboy either and I don’t think joyboy planted it. It’s comical that the 2 people that found the island were unable to even get the one piece. Imu has been searching for the one piece since the void century it looks like, bc of how mad they were at lili for the poneglyphs. And with the existence of an arc named Noah, the red line being so high above everything else, and imu being sea backwards it makes me think that fruit will have the ability to let the user flood the world. It may explain the grand lines magnetic fields being messed up, as joyboy and lili may have done that to prevent the wrong people from finding laugh tale, and that could be possible with all the advanced technology they had. I think the one piece is very tied to the fundamental creation of the devil fruit with how the sea devil(s) bestows powers on its users with the DF. So it would be a sea-devil fruit. Or maybe just the devil fruit.

I wrote a 2k word essay about all this the other day if u want to read it. This is just the surface

[modest skiff]

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[tiny hatch]

Ok really stupid thought I just had, so we know logias can permanently affect the weather such as punk hazard. It doesn't seem to be ending anytime soon and it doesnt seem to drain any energy once its happened. Hypothetically if there were to be an Ocean Logia, could you permanently change how the ocean worked?

[solar ruin]

dont think there would be one because ocean be hating on devil fruits

[steady prism]

@tiny hatch probably better to brainstorm this in #manga-serious fyi since it isn’t really a theory just yet

[kind wind]

could it be that imu is immortal

[pure raven]

imu is doflamingo’s idol

[serene nimbus]

I highly doubt imu is immortal. Imu is someone masquerading as a deity and has lived this long due to a primordial devil fruit probably. I think imu’s df gives a power of creation and created the 5 elders and the red line and then a body that doesn’t die

A friend and I talked about this. and he had the brilliant idea that imu represents the Earth. The 5 elders are Mercury, Venus, Mars, Saturn, and Jupiter (the 5 closest planets to Earth also). The other planets and the dwarf planet pluto are the ancient weapons Uranus, Poseidon (neptune), and pluton (pluto). Luffy is the Sun. Imu is sea backwards, the sea. Earth is the only planet with oceans. Imu represents Earth in a geocentric manner of the past where the solar system revolves around it, as the world government is structured around Imu as some diety king. Earth is also symbolic of creation with dirt, clay, etc. so this makes me think even more that Imu's DF gives some creation power. However, we know that the solar system revolves around the sun. It is the sun that brings light to everything else, and by the end of the series it will be that. Luffy will liberate everyone through his infectious pursuit of freedom, and the system will be corrected to a heliocentric model. I think the idea of Skypiean gods is something that is attractive and I have built theories around it, but what my friend said makes more sense and is thematic with one piece.

[serene nimbus]

realized i need to revise it a bit but i will at some point

[pure raven]

Not sure if Oda is going hardcore scientfic. In terms of our solar system, earth is the only planet with consistent oceans. Though other planets and moons have spaces of liquiditation on them.
In terms of freedom I always felt like Luffy is not the first pirate to like "free" the society. I believe that joyboy rather failed in his attempt but left a mark, also Roger left a mark and Luffy is going to be the final aspect.

[serene nimbus]

i also think this is Oda's way of saying that the world doesn't revolve around you and thinking that is destructive and damaging to yourself and others. in the end of the day, all the villains never have what the strawhats do. After every fight, they get together and have a feast and enjoy each other just for the sake of enjoying each other. You shouldn't be focused on living a life that revolves around you bc its confining and you should just pursue freedom and spreading that freedom and happiness with others.

[serene nimbus]

joyboy failed for sure, as the ancient kingdom was destroyed and imu ascended to the throne. roger left a mark, but roger never accomplished his dream. he died, but he started the great pirate age, so someone else would do it. yamato said luffy and roger have the same dream. Yeah other planets have had oceans and some moons do, but he's not being specific like that. Earth is the only one with seas of water. It's the planet of water. and Imu is umi backwards. luffy being a "sun god" and every planet even pluto having some symbolism in the story isn't some red herring

[pure raven]

Not sure if he never accomplished his dream. He got the fame, money and recognition. He is the sole reason why there are pirates from the Blues going to the Grandline.
I agree with the Luffy part, I would assume that Joyboy had the same DF.

[serene nimbus]

luffy has the same dream as roger. shanks told rayleigh he said the same thing as roger. rayleigh saw it in him, so he trained him. yamato knows luffy's dream from ace and knows roger's dream from Oden's book. its the same as luffy's. luffy's dream isnt to be PK which was confirmed when we saw the after panels of when he told the crew his true dream. PK is just a stepping stone for something larger. roger did not accomplish his dream. wealth, money, and power are major themes of one piece and catalysts for whole characters, but that wasn't roger's dream. that is too simplistic for roger and we have learned enough about roger to know that wasn't why he became a pirate

[pure raven]

Also just to put it into context. There is no planet in our solar system that has the quality of the oceans the earth has. They only have spaces of water on them - there is also a different categorization of salt water and like "normal" water - but that is a whole different topic and I am certain it does not matter for One Piece.

[pure raven]

Pretty sure when Oda wrote it, he had different themes of the manga/anime. I always felt like every crew member of the Strawhats also embodies a different emotion - happy, calculated, scared, brave etc.

[serene nimbus]

I think luffys true dream could be the antithesis of imu’s dream, as he carries the will of D, and the clan of D was the antithesis of Imu and the celestial dragons. Even though it’s forgotten if anyone has the same dream or will as the ancient clan of D, it would be Luffy as he is tje protagonist and the sun god, the “return of joyboy”

[pure raven]

Also serious question - Do we know who gave the name "One Piece" out to the world? Roger never like mentioned the One Piece, it just got it after Roger´s death, really.

[serene nimbus]

That’s a good question I never thought that. I guess the one piece could have been a tale and got it’s name from sometime in the void century? Why is it called the one piece yeah

[pure raven]

Just saying that. I read through the mangas recently (mostly in bed at night) - but Roger never said he got the One Piece or that a "One Piece" existed. It is mainly just media-newspapers who spread it and people got hooked.

Happy to be disproven, but I have not found anything vastly relating to Roger or Joyboy naming something the "One Piece"

[meager jasper]

I always thought One Piece was derived from Roger saying he left it all in 'one place.' People coined the term to refer to the culmination of all of Roger's treasure. The wealth, fame and power.

[pure raven]

I thought the same at the beginning. There were also a lot of translation issues when the series started. - But to be fair, people assumed Roger got some sort of treasure, but he never clarified that he got something. He was just, so far the only Pirate Cpt. who explored the whole Grandline - as it seems.

[serene nimbus]

the one piece is physical it’s confirmed by Oda in an interview. Roger did never say one piece though, but it was known that he travelled around the world yeah. could there have been tales of an ancient treasure

[meager jasper]

Just googled, the term One Piece is mentioned in a vivre card databook as in 'Roger FOUND one piece in raftel', which implies that the term One Piece existed before Roger.

[serene nimbus]

So it looks like an ancient treasure was known to exist, with rumors starting since the void century, but the WG never fully covered it up

[pure raven]

To be fair, the writer said "One Piece exists" the second he named the series like that. Like from a reader/watcher standpoint, we know it exists and that it is real.

[serene nimbus]

I mean rumors had to if we think logically. joyboy probably gave the name it and all the road poneglyphs were known to bring u to the final island. Roger was just the first to transcribe them all and get there. Doesn’t mean others weren’t trying for 800 years. Roger stole a poneglyph inscription from big mom also I think

[meager jasper]

It doesn't 'look' like that. Three ancient weapons are known to exist or to have existed at one point in history. The question is whether it's limited to three. Is the Mother Flame an artificial ancient weapon made by VP? Or is it an actual ancient weapon? Is it something else entirely? There's no way to even guess at this point.

[pure raven]

We know that Roger did the whole journey thing 2 times, to get them all and then head to Laughing Tale - which seems like a joke but also seems like if there is an island, nobody lives on it.

[pure raven]

We know 2 out of 3 weapons already. Assuming, that like a mermaid princess has existed before, so that Shirahoshi is the new weapon.

[serene nimbus]

Always figured mother flame was Uranus. Poseidon and pluton are known to not just be one thing since shirahoshi isn’t the first and there r blueprints to pluton.

[meager jasper]

Ancient weapons exist out of multiple parts for as far as we understand There's the conduit and the actual weapon. Shirahoshi is a conduit, not the actual ancient weapon.

[pure raven]

Lol we basically posted the same thing. Yes the weapon - Neptune - is tied to a reincarnation it seems.

[serene nimbus]

yeah the conductor theory. I like the idea that each ancient weapon can neutralize each other like rock paper scissors.

[pure raven]

She was confirmed, at least that "future-sage-girl" forgot the name. Well if she can control all the monsters in the sea, she is basically the weapon.

[serene nimbus]

And considering Uranus is the god of the sky, makes sense that mother flame would be it. lasers from the sky. Prob a flying ship like Enel’s

[meager jasper]

Always liked the idea of Uranus being hatched from that huge egg on Roger's ship.

[pure raven]

I assume you are not a guy, both of you that jump on the theory that Enel´s ship is actually an ancient weapon. xoxo

[meager jasper]

The Ark Maxim was most likely foreshadowing for the mother flame, just as Enel shares so many resemblances to Imu

[serene nimbus]

Oh wow I totally forgot about the egg. Could be that. I never said Enel’s ship was an ancient weapon lol. I’m saying it could be a flying ship. It has to be a flying something

[pure raven]

To limit that - Enel´s DF is powering the ship. I would rather assume that Vegapunk copied Uranus (or build an engine) to be an island destroyer.

[meager jasper]

That egg is so mysterious. It was never adressed in the slightest. I love it

[serene nimbus]

Well u gotta remember that the technology in the void century was so advanced and way further ahead than the current world in one piece. I wouldn’t be surprised if a Flying forttress/ship was made back then as a world killer weapon

[pure raven]

This is partly like Star Wars - However, I believe Imu has a ship that is able to destroy islands, like he/she... they? ... is in control.

[meager jasper]

The Noah is speculated to be the vessel for Neptune. Shirahoshi, the conduit and the Sea King's the cavalry. Same for Momonosuke being the conduit, pluton being the carriage and zunesha being the cavalry.

[serene nimbus]

could be a dragon. Dragons existed at one point in one piece confirmed in a canon side story by Oda where a samurai fought one. Where else would u find an egg of an extinct animal in a land that has not been touched for 800 years

[meager jasper]

Whatever hatched out of the egg would be the cavalry, Imu or Lili/Vivi would be the conductor and the mother flame the carriage. At least, that's my thought.

[pure raven]

You cannot turn on a car without the key, true.

[serene nimbus]

Ok let’s go with that idea of a conductor. A ship can just be conducted I think. Vivi or lili is def not needed for mother flame. So what if maybe imu doesn’t have the ancient weapons. maybe it is a dragon??? And the reason they r extinct is because they were wiped out w the ancient kingdom, The Clan of D’s kingdom. Roger had the ability to speak to sea kings. Maybe the will of D allows one to be a conductor if it is a dragon

[pure raven]

Realistically, can we agree on, that Luffy is going to get whatever he is supposed to be getting and "win"?
I mean this is a show, Oda is not gettting younger and he cannot put out the effort as he did in his 20s and 30s, he will probably hardcore focus on One Piece and end if OP ends.

[serene nimbus]

idk. If the one piece is a devil fruit that’s been growing for Luffy and imu has been searching for it, I don’t think Luffy will eat it, assuming he finds a way to eat multiple DF. I think imu would get it and it’d be the worst case scenario that the ancient weapons and Noah were built for. And I have multiple reasons to strongly suspect that the one piece is a DF

[pure raven]

I do not believe it is a DF - Imu seems to be the opposite of Luffy - I thought Black Beard might be the final villain but Imu is much more fitting.

[meager jasper]

The actual weapons are not sentient, I think. Neither Zunesha, nor the Sea Kings are powerful enough to be considered 'World Destroyers'. They are formidable though. The Ancient weapons are more than likely technological in nature, with so much of the ancient kingdom's focus being on their technological prowess. So a dragon seems unlikely. A massive beast, potentially a dragon, guiding an ancient weapon through the air under the control of the third conduit seems more likely.

[pure raven]

I assume there is going to be a big clash between like Shanks + Luffy + Buggy, against BB - you thing that is going to be a thing?

[meager jasper]

We're up for a battle royale for sure.

[pure raven]

Well - one ant is weak, a thousand or 10 thousand can take down pretty much any insect. Imagine if giant seacreatures had the same strive.

[serene nimbus]

I think it is and one that will give you control over the sea. An ultimate devil fruit, the devil fruit. which is why Roger laughed bc he couldn’t get it since it was still growing. Why imu has been looking for the poneglyphs for 800 years. Why joyboy failed. Why the grand line has a messed up magnetic field. why Noah was built and why the red line even exists. Imu wants to flood the world. and the red line would be safe. Imu is umi backwards and yes it’s bc of earth but imu wants to reshape the world like god did bibilically with the flood

[meager jasper]

There's only one Zunesha. And sure, there's a lot of sea kings.

[pure raven]

Yes, but they did not attack him. Like can the Thousand Sunny surive if she is getting mauled by 10 or 50 giant seacreatures. And I am not meaning weak ones on the Blues, Those who could eat a ship in a whole

[serene nimbus]

I don’t think BB is the big bad. BB is interesting . He has the strongest paramecia and logia. Doesn’t have the strongest zoan. Luffy has that. I also have a theory involving Luffy bb and law. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Blackbeard

[meager jasper]

There's this theory I like about the whales in One Piece. Every time there's an island whale, there's a reference to Laugh Tale. The Sea Kings also spoke of 'The whales being happy with the mermaid princess' birth'. They're like, the signposts of the One Piece world.

[pure raven]

I appreaciate you, but that is too far stretched as a theory for me. I do not find enough evidence to back that one up. That is a lot of headcannon for me, which I can understand but not enough to be a convincing theory to me.

[serene nimbus]

The real Blackbeards flag is a pirate stabbing a heart and 3 dots. 3 dots are the 3 of df and 3 devil fruits he will eat. The heart represents law which is why he didn’t get murked like kid. Law still has a role to play in the story. He can resurrect someone, and he will do so killing him. Blackbeard could kill Luffy bc Luffy has gotten so reliant on his DF so law resurrects him and dies, thus the heart being stabbed

[meager jasper]

Fantasizing too much now, my friend.

[pure raven]

I believe BB has more than one soul in him - not like multiple person disorder but is shines through his character that there are different people acting within him.

[serene nimbus]

Maybe but they r good ideas. Even if it’s not luffys Blackbeard will have a zoan

[meager jasper]

There's the theory that BB has had a cerberus zoan all along, three heads for three devil fruits. Ridiculous, but entertaining

[pure raven]

There is a lot to argue about. I try to see theories from a writers perspective - not that I understand it but Buggy has been carried on from Pirate, to Criminal, to Warlord, to Emperoer of the Sea - he has to make a big impact on the journey of Luffy at the end.

[serene nimbus]

Makes senses. The 3 heads come from the 3 dots on the actual blackbeards flag. He will have 3 df. maybe there is a stronger zoan than luffys and it could be that a Cerberus zoan

[serene nimbus]

This represents wealth fame and power. The 3 driving themes of one piece and what makes a pirate “successful”. Buggy is an example of fake it till u make it and cares only about wealth and fame

[meager jasper]

Buggy's the epitome of destiny. No matter what he does or how he acts, destiny has plans for him. It's one of the ways Oda shows that everything is predestined

[serene nimbus]

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/1001qnx/the_themes_of_one_piece_wealth_fame_power/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1 my friend wrote an analysis on wealth fame and power and talked about Buggy and why he ascended in there. It’s not just for laughs. He is thematic with one piece

[pure raven]

There is a Japanese mythical creature with 3 heads as well I do not believe it is going to be a cerberus. I forgot the name but that is what he has been inspired on probably.

If One Piece ends, Buggy is probably going to be one to tell the tale.

[meager jasper]

Could be, he most likely will be a unique character entirely if BB ends up with a zoan at all, just like how Nika's no known diety or mythological creature.

[meager jasper]

Hmm, Usopp will most likely be the story teller. His name is derived from Aesop, the fabled story teller and he's always been telling stories

[pure raven]

But I have to disagree at some point with both of you. You do not introduce a clown in the first act if nobody is getting clowned in the last act.

[serene nimbus]

Let me ask my parents to translate Nika’s characters from Japanese

[pure raven]

Are your parents japanese?

[serene nimbus]

They met and studied in Japan bc Korea was poor so they know Japanese and we got some cousins there, but they can’t help since what was given was in katakana “ニカ”. And kanji is the one where the characters actually have a direct meaning but that wasn’t given. And there’s so many kanji meanings for ニカ. Hundreds

I guess the direct meaning of “nika” won’t be known unti Oda reveals the kanji, but it definitely has a meaning if it does have kanji and isn’t arbitrary

[pure raven]

That is nice, I lived with a Japanese roomate for a while, she studied in music. I never asked her about like anime or One Piece though, whe was mainly watching like rebroadcasts frome Japanese TV - However, the sun seems to be a big issue - there is no real opposite in like the universal standpoints.

[serene nimbus]

Wdym the sun. Also that’s nice not asking her cause I hate when people just talk to me about K-pop when they learn I’m Korean

[pure raven]

I also believe that 1 of the Gorosai is going to be active soon. - I mean sun symbolism. In terms of solar system, we are bound by the sun to exist.

(Never talked about Kpop and I do not care, just said I had a Japanese roommate once) I was just questioning what would be the opposite of Nika.

[serene nimbus]

Heliocentric and geocentric model are opposites. One we revolve around the sun and everything revolves around earth. And with Imu symbolizing earth for the gorosei r the 5 planets nearest earth and imu is umi backwards imu appears to be symbolic of earth.

[pure raven]

I mean it would make sense, that Imu is Earth and that Garling - represinting the moon is one of Imu´s highest soldieres, even the highest.

[serene nimbus]

I talked about this in depth more earlier if u scroll up and see. The reason for all the planets I think is that imu thinks the whole world revolves around him/her/them and it doesn’t. It revolves around the sun. And the sun brings light and takes people out of the darkness this is symbolic around lots of things and one of Oda’s main messages to us as readers. It adds up with the straw hats having feasts and appreciating each other to appreciate each other, something the villains never had. Imu being the earth and Luffy the sun is odas message that the world doesn’t revolve around u. That u shouldn’t focus on a life revolves around only u as it’s confining and that you should purse a life of freedom, and by doing so spread that infectious freedom and happiness to others

Bc by the end of the story the one piece world will go back to a heliocentric model, assuming it was like that in the void age. It’s geocentric now as everything is about imu. The whole WG and world is structured around imu. Also the ancient weapons r Uranus Neptune and Pluto

[pure raven]

So far I do not like to go to hard on theries. I keep it simple to the order vs freedom application so far. I am happy with theories but that is the only theory that I can backup somewhat.
Also "Sun-God" is not = sun. Luffy has a leading position in terms of the structure of the world.
I also do believe that the Marine should exist but under different leadership - even Garp is revolting against those principles for years. There should be a balance of control and freedom

[pure raven]

That sounds like Dark Souls or so - Literally both endings are good and bad in many regards.

[serene nimbus]

Well yeah it’s just representative. luffys not an actual god neither is imu. But he is representative of the sun. I’m more curious what it was like before imu when joyboy existed.

[pure raven]

Didn´t Imu and Joyboy exist at the same time and Imu just won that battle in the past.

[serene nimbus]

True but ancient kingdom that lost existed for a while I’m assuming and not just like 20 or 30 years and “sun god” prob is tied to that

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@pure raven please use #manga or #manga-serious for shorter thoughts like that. This channel’s for longer theories like the ones pinned

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[fair token]

blud is delusional

[wet rock]

its almost too obvious, but peace as a concept applies to all 5

[serene nimbus]

i mean it makes sense because sabo's dream is to see the world and write a book about it. to me, sabo is also a character that will not die and survive EOS bc ace already died and sabo won't die again after being brought back

yes i love this. i was saying it earlier glad to see others also think it. was thinking about the moon and it is probably BB. considering BB has the ability to absorb everything and spit it back out. its akin to how the moon just reflects the sun's light

[pearl kestrel]

who deleted my message bruh

[steady prism]

!theories friendly reminder that this channel’s for long in-depth theories like the ones pinned.

@slow apex as Chrissy has already stated, please ask questions like that in #manga next time

@hollow jacinth @pure raven please use #manga-serious for shorter theories and “what if” ideas like that. It’s interesting but not the right channel since we need some evidence to ground those kinds of speculations.

@fair token don’t be rude in this channel. Please the merits instead of name-calling. Else, you’re free to go to #manga

@pearl kestrel you’ve fired off several interesting theories, but since they’re pretty short it would be much more appreciated in #manga-serious. Also per our spoiler policy, please don’t make references to other series here (like Vagabond), it would spoil those who haven’t seen it yet.
If you have more in-depth theories, you’re welcome to share them here.

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[steady prism]

@pearl kestrel I did. I’ll wait for you to move those posts over to #manga-serious Edit: you seem to have posted a new one in #manga-serious and haven’t moved any so I’ve deleted them since an hour’s passed

[pearl kestrel]

👍

[quasi sluice]

I have a feeling imu has the power to wipe people from existence. kind of like kuma but instead of being teleported on touch they dissapear. imu refers to himself as mu 無 which means "nothing" in japanese. So maybe imu can wipe people from existence?

[solar ruin]

nah he woulda wiped lots of people by now like cobra etc. maybe he just lazy asf tho

[oblique isle]

I think the mu is more reference to how the world doesn't know Imu exist at all so them being "nothing" kinda make sense

[pure raven]

they are gonna bring back Don Quixote Doflamingo, because he knows the ‘D’. And later probably will make luffy fully use his potential and accknowledge his power, if Luffy doesnt be dumb.

[serene nimbus]

I think Imu has the exact opposite power. The power of creation. Think this bc Imu may have created the red line, an immortal body, the gorosei. imu is representative of earth in the solar system, and earth has always been symbolic of creation with clay mud dirt etc

[ivory urchin]

I really like that theory. The red line and grand line definitely do not seem natural. And the gorosei have referred to Imu as the creator of the world

[serene nimbus]

Imo imu wants to flood the world bc imu is umi reversed which means sea in Japanese. just all the nobles living on the top of the tallest point in the world is strange. They’d be safe in a flood. Noah, the giant arc, existing is an obvious biblical reference to when god flooded earth and created it anew. And imu is a diety figure with the gorosei (similarity to godhand of berserk), the gods knights, and how there was a Saint, which is only a title used in a religious context

[pure raven]

doesnt imu mean "void", or was it "mu" (at least my manga source said that)

[pearl kestrel]

oh mb I thought u meant u wanted me to talk about them there didn't know u wanted me to delete them

[serene nimbus]

Yeah mu means “nothing”. Void century basically means Imu century

[pearl kestrel]

yeah the cosmic positioning is perfect and it makes so much sense as an interpretation, people tend to be disagree about imu being earth though

I'm well versed in vedic astrology, if I shook the rust off I could definitely come up with some cool ideas about this

[serene nimbus]

it makes sense bc geocentric models didnt have Uranus Neptune and Pluto bc they weren’t known as planets. They weren’t discovered till recently. Which is the namesake of the ancient weapons. It’s also symbolic bc I think the scholars at Ohara discovered this so they were killed, akin to how a religious state punished Galileo for publishing results and advocating for a heliocentric model. I think they knew more but we saw a planetary model in Ohara. The truth coming out weakens imus strength and risks that the will of D and ancient kingdom will be learned about along with voice of all things. Its all connected somehow…

[pearl kestrel]

yes exactly, it's all set up so perfectly. I can't wait to see what Oda has planned

[serene nimbus]

Also makes me think BB is the moon if the planetary model in Ohara was heliocentric as there are 6 planets and one of them has a moon. So Luffy, 5 elders, imu, and the moon. Imu has taken interest in BB and BBs abilities is to absorb everything and he can shoot it all out. Reminds me of how the moon just reflects the suns light

[dry verge]

i been thinking about more about the amount of fights were about to see over the final fights. the biggest war in magna history is about to feature constant battles thruought one peice verse. once kizaru and jupiter arrive then rob lucci can dismiss his alliance with luffy. the only part that throws me off is Jupiter because once we see Jupiter in combat were gonna have hella theories on which Gorosei figths wich pirate. i think luffy confronting Jupiter would change one piece history. oda probably has more shit to cook before kizaru and Jupiter arrive. my favorite potential final fights would be luffy vs Blackbeard, dragon vs Imu, buggy vs Akainu. im actualy afraid were gonna see Blackbeard off screen shanks and its gonna suck more ass than ace or law.

[serene nimbus]

Saturn is arriving

[dry verge]

saturn my bad lol

[pearl kestrel]

theres a very small possibility it's Enel but it's unlikely, BB just fits too perfectly especially because since his introduction he has been a parallel to luffy

[serene nimbus]

I don’t think Blackbeard will kill shanks. BB is a calculating individual and he will not take a fight if he doesn’t need to. Who knows what his end goal is because he def knows stuff about the void century, but he is collecting the strongest devil fruits of each type. So a clash between him and Luffy is inevitable imo. I think shanks will die to WG not a pirate. Maybe his twin if that theory is true.

[dry verge]

it would be lit similar to as bigmom if some other faction whooped black beard. im also liking the idea of enrus return since he probably learned something about the void century.

[serene nimbus]

I wonder if the straw hats r gonna get defeated and lose at egghead and they make a tactical retreat somewhere

[pearl kestrel]

vegapunk can possibly teleport them

[serene nimbus]

Egghead to elbaf in one chapter would be crazy

[dry verge]

i really am about Buggy vs Akainu. i do not see luffy having to confront Akainu during the final saga. i see Akainu will be more focused on CrossGuild.

[serene nimbus]

it’s gonna be sabo imo. Buggy had no connection to ace and his foil isn’t Akainu

[pearl kestrel]

agreed, it's most likely sabo. I don't see how buggy would fit

[dry verge]

buggy win on accident unitentally. i do suppor Akainu being more pissed at revolutionarys tho and fighting sabo would be the real justice and a great power scale for a boss fighr with sabo

i also believe bigmom and kaido are dead. as a side note

[serene nimbus]

Luffy letting his brother get revenge for ace when he has blamed himself for the past 2 years that he was too weak to save him is a major moment for Luffy. And sabo avenging his dead brother. I mean he has his devil fruit and probably feels guilty in some way also. If he just didn’t forget or remembered and was able to help Luffy then they’d still be together is what any normal person would think in that scenario

it’s a way of closure for both of them. It’s a way of remembering him and honoring the dead.

[dry verge]

mariford was just a side misson for luffy. like yeah luffy is pissed and wants to defeat Akainu but I just dont see akanu leaving his desk to fight luffy

[pearl kestrel]

kaidos too much of a Chad I don't think so

[dry verge]

kaido and bigmom being too much of chads is like the only significant statement to the bigmom and Kaido not being dead debate imo. i love this debate tho. i respect and appreciate everyones take on this

[icy raft]

luffy s mother shes not as important as you think and she won't appear much in the story change my mind

[dry verge]

i like that luffys mother is not relevant

the Lunarian and Crocodile for luffys mom therorys r the meta vs luffys mom not beign relevant

[icy raft]

people like that everyone on the crew comes from a special place, so I don't think Zoro should come from that kind of ancestry. for example the theory of imu nami's mother ☠️ it's crazy

[dry verge]

we got great foreshadow that imu came from the void century. i never seen the nami mom theries but we need to know more of her dad to fit that role. i dont remember namis parents being mentioned. she has a sensory that no one else has. we have seen her with unconfirmed haki too to make us wonder. if this is real then im gonna throw out god usopp being the of snipers island born from from a family of snupers with coc

[visual cypress]

Nami is definitely from sky island!

[gritty kite]

She was found in the wreckage in a war where the marines were fighting. Presumably some non WG aligned country.

A databook says war on pirates but it makes no sense with how it was depicted and the manga didn’t specify the enemy in that war

[visual cypress]

Kuma is an absolute Chad, I think he knows about the future and the onepiece. The last mission that he asked Vegapunk to leave in his brain can either involve Bonny or it might be to help destroy the redline. He was testing Luffy and his crew to make sure they were the ones from the future to cause a huge shift in the world. That's y he tested zoro to deal with pain which will feel like he's in hell (helped out with dealing with pain against king). My man Kuma sent the straw hats to specific islands to help with training and make sure they were ready for the next step. Now that gear 5th is out I think Kuma might be helping to destroy the recline, where he will unfortunately die. Somehow Vivi will get the fruit, completing the Kanji of 1-10 for their devil fruits.

[humble hazel]

Joke Theory: Robin's real name is Nico D. Robinson

[humble hazel]

Ugh! Episode 745 is so wholesome!!! Still one of my favorite episodes ever!

Can you guys imagine what kind of a fight is to come that would requuire the pirate Giants of Elbaph? Whatever Oda has planned must be coughs BIG NEWS!!! ;D

[boreal skiff]

Shanks and luffy are definitely gonna fight

[humble hazel]

idk maaaaaan. Shanks seems to be a humble guy with a goal much like Law's goal where he wants to stop a certain somebody. Perhaps Imu, because Shanks might be related to her or him. The war that's to come might lead to som crazy events that shapes the Earth itself including the grand line which is why the giants of Elbaph pritae group has been forshadowed. Like Atlas, they might be put in a situation that requires them to hold up something extremely heavy during the upcoming great war.
But Shanks fighting Luffy, I don't think it'll happen because of the amount of love and respect they have for each other. It seems Shanks knew full well what Devil Fruit Luffy ate, and needed an ally in defeating Imu, so they'll probably just team up when the time is right. Question is, how powerful is Imu. We thought Lion Shiki was overpowered with his devil fruit? But what if there is something greater that not even Shanks can take on alone.
Consider the fact there are a lot of big and powerful people for the straw hats to fight soon. Blackbeard's group, the Gorosei, even Imu. There's no way Luffy can beat them all, so there might be a huge teammup where Luffy brings everyone together like Joy Boy once did. The Revolutionary Army included.

[grave lichen]

i read a theory somewhere where bonney’s awakened df can also affect environment or time… she can basically see the past and future

[humble hazel]

There is a big mystery though.
What devil fruit Nico Robin has that the Government has been desperately trying to capture her this entire time. That even in the midst of war in Wano, CP0's goal was to to capture Nico Robin instead of playing any role in that war. It may very well be that Nico Robin has a devil fruit like Luffy's. Something really special. How did she even get that devil fruit? I can't remember, but it could be something like the Nika God fruit Luffy has. It's possible that her country was destroyed by the buster call because of that Devil Fruit which she escaped with. The Government probably wanted it as much as they wanted Luffy's Nika fruit. When you look at Robin's abilities, they are quite strange... what exactly is her devil fruit? All of her abilities aren't defined by some element or material. Pay close attention to her abilities. There's a good possibility that her devil fruit is something crazy sauce. Like the Nika fruit Luffy has, and possibly the fruit Blackbeard has. Robin's recent awakening as a hot demon chick was quite telling.

[proper leaf]

I was rewatching the Blackbeard Skypiea scene and it seems way too on the nose that Blackbeard is hiding multiple souls or personalities (this has probably been said here already, I'm just starting to really believe it). I def won't be surprised if out of the three big bads rn, he is the one who will be Luffy's final villain once and for all.
Honestly out of all the villains (even Imu), Blackbeard is the one that I'm most hyped for. The man (or men) have little screentime comparatively, but when they take the screen, they shine significantly. Gonna be so pumped for this final saga

Also I wonder what role Kong is gonna play in the story. So he's purportedly the Commander-in-Chief of the WG. I assume he's privy to the Five Elders and Imu, but it's very strange that he hasn't been mentioned. Sure, he could be a one-off character, but this is a guy who is above Sengoku (and now Akainu) and, well, is a Commander-in-Chief. Surely he has some relevance to the story, though with God's Knights and the others being introduced, I'm finding that less and less probable.

[pure raven]

This theory might be just the case for blackbeard.
Theory: So lots of characters in the show laugh based on their devil fruits. Perona, Whitebeard and the guy who helped big mom as a kid with the food fruit, all laughed with the first word in their devil fruits (Gurararara, horororoo) meanwhile Blackbeard laughs like "Zehahahahah". This seems a bit strange, but there is a mythical animal named Bai ze, or in japanese Haku-Taku. If we take Ze and ha from bai ze and haku, we get Ze ha = Zehahahaha. So blackbeard might've already ate his 3rd devil fruit. The bai ze is an animal usually depicted as a sheep, lion or tiger, with 3 heads or 3 eyes on it's side. What's interesting is Teach's flag has 3 skulls. and the number 3 is heavily emphasized when it comes to blackbeard. His personality usually varies throughout the show. sometimes he acts like a coward, sometimes cautious, and sometimes overconfident. This would make perfect sense with the animal. As in -
Sheep - Cowardly Lion - overconfidence, and Tiger - Calm, cautious.

[gritty kite]

This makes no sense, we have seen the O’Hara flashback, they were there for the archaelogists and they would have let Robin go if she had hidden she was one of them. She is the only person who can read phoneglyph s, we know she is wanted for that, not for ther fruit.

[oblique isle]

Well they wouldn't have. they blew up the civilian ships too don't forget. I mean I don't agree with them being after her fruit but they definitely were not going to let any one live from OHara

[gritty kite]

I know they blew up the ships in the end, but it’s pretty obvious she wasn’t the target if they just let her go with the civilians. They clearly weren’t searching for a fruit or a user, they were searching for archaelogists

[violet crater]

What if luffy got his straw hat when he was little and he got sucked in the whirlpool which put him into the Naruto verse so then luffy was in the Naruto verse for a while and he met jiraiya and jiraiya and luffy became friends and the jiraiya gave luffy a hat for a token of friendship and when luffy went back it explains the timeskip on how he got the hat

[round fjord]

your profile pic makes this all the more legendary

[oblique isle]

Ahhh gotcha

[patent dome]

hi guys, am I allowed to post a really long theory here?

[fallow bobcat]

That's preferred

[obsidian thunder]

yeah, it reccomended

[patent dome]

First time posting here, here goes...

To start off, I formed this theory based on a theory video I watched made by Joy_Boy Theories on YT. Here is the link: https://youtu.be/GoaUiipbWnM
What if...

as in this theory, three gods once existed - The Sun God Nika, The Moon God and the Sea God. These 3 gods were brothers, Oda puts his fair share of Mythology into One Piece and these 3 brothers could represent Zeus, Poseidon and Hades who are the rulers of Olympus, Sea and the Underworld. I remember reading in mythology years ago, that all 3 brothers used to live in harmony in Olympus but Hades was banished to the Underworld for trying to overthrow his brothers. What if One Piece is the story of how Poseidon was banished to the Sea, or at least that is Imu's backstory. Note: After watching this theory, Susanoo was similarly banished to the Sea.

What if the Void Century was actually describing the war between these gods and Poseidon - Imu actually won. But instead of banishing his brothers, he traps them inside devil fruits. From Mythology, we know that Olympus houses many different gods and possibly these gods were also banished into Devil Fruits. As there are 20 founding kingdoms, there was possibly more than just 20 rulers in Olympus (imagine the scene in Thor: Love and Thunder when all the gods gathered watching Thor) and the rulers could've been classified as the greater gods were turned into Mythical Zoans while their vassals could be classified as lesser gods were turned into Logias.

Now about devil fruits:

For Logias, I find it interesting that there havent been any mention of awakened Logia fruits and with the introduction of Haki, this type of DF basically had a big powerdown. What if, the awakened version of Logia DFs actually turns the user into the God of that element. So basically these DFs are actually of the gods that were banished (in different cultures there have been several references to gods of fire, earth, etc.)

For Zoans, this might be a bit far fetched but what if in the world before, there existed animals similar to the Mink Tribe [with the mink tribe being a watered down version of this tribe] and their Ruler was Zunesha. It is said that Zunesha committed a crime and was punished for it. Could it be that these Ancient Minks actually sided with the Moon God (could explain why the Minks have Sulong Powers) but as the Moon God lost, they too were trapped inside DFs while their ruler - Zunesha was punished to roam the seas (sea water severely weakening him) and the Mink tribe is actually Zunesha's chains - the promise of their survival the only thing keeping him from fighting back against Imu (similar to how Oden was forced to dance in the town in exchange for the survival of his people). The Zoan devil fruits we see being used today could have been the rulers of each tribe (hence only one type of Zoan fruit ever existing) while the rest were either killed because they were strong or allowed to live because they were weak (they turn out to be the mink tribe we know today)

For Paramecias, these might be the "humans/oni/lunarian/skypiean/etc." that sided with Nika. Paramecia powers are very "imaginative" as paramecia users dont really have straightforward powers (E.G. Robin's Bloom-Bloom fruit creates limbs?!) But rather they find creative and imaginative ways of using their power. Much like how Nika is only limited to the users imagination, his followers/fighters could have had the same way of fighting - either through natural ability or weaponry, albeit to a lesser power level. As such, these could have been Nika's allies who were banished into the DFs.

As such, there are actually 4 types of DFs - Logia, Zoan, Paramecia AND Mythical, because [and i could be wrong about this] but who are the ones that actually name these fruits? Obviously there is a body that names these fruits because they initially named the Hito Hito No Mi as the Gomu Gomu No Mi. So they couldve misclassified Mythical fruits as Mythical Zoan fruits when in fact they are a 4th type of fruit.

This could then in turn explain several things

1. Why Zunesha could feel Joyboy in Luffy - Luffy didnt turn into JoyBoy but since his DF "awakened" so did the will of joyboy awaken. Joyboy wasn't a previous user of the DF, He is Nika - JoyBoy being his nickname due to Nika always seen laughing.

2. The incident in God's Valley - there are so many DFs here because thats where the DFs are stored but the DFs were actual gods trapped inside hence the name. Additionally, Rocks D. Xebec might have been the "First Luffy" but instead of having Nika's Fruit he actually has The Moon God's fruit (Yomi-Yomi currently with BB) hence like Luffy he was able to attract strong and special pirates to his side albeit with a darker side and that his journey had led him to God's Valley with the purpose to "free the gods" in which he sort of succeeded but instead of releasing the gods from the fruits, he spread the DFs across the one piece world via the destruction of God's Valley (this could explain down the line how Xebec was actually a "good guy" and how BB will eventually be a "good guy" alluding to the philosophical idea that all everyone is intrinsically just pursuing the same end but are being defined as good or evil based on their means)

3. How Wano is related to the Minks - if Minks only had their physical prowess to fight they must have had some other power to combat their enemies and this is where Haki comes in, or in Wano - Ryuo. Wano could've been a faction of warriors that discovered Haki/Ryuo and taught this to the Ancient Minks to aid them in defending themselves. The reason why Wano is isolated from the world could be alluding to how Japan isolated itself from the world. If I'm not mistaken, the Japanese Race originated from Ancient China, a faction of people that had opposing beliefs to China and were composed of one of the greatest minds and clans of Ancient China. To protect themselves they fled to Japan and shut off their borders and given their formidability they were able to deter China from attacking them. Same can be said about Wano, seeing the impending fall ofThe Sun and Moon God against Imu, they shut their borders and with Pluton in their possession as a deterrent and the impression that they would not antagonize Imu, Imu let them be. Thus Wano had been very insistent on keeping their borders closed and their people shut out from the world with the fear that opening their borders would emanate their intention of rebelling once again and that this would attract the wrath of Imu.

so basically... I've gone a bit into the deep end of the rabbit hole so I'll stop it here as this is a developing theory of mine with minimal research apart from the countless theories created by the community that I've watched or read.

Any thoughts on this?

Thanks for reading,

~EZreal88~

[dire jungle]

Yea I ain’t reading allat

[serene nimbus]

Hades was never banished to the underworld. After the gods beat the titans, the 3 big gods, hades, Zeus, and Poseidon fought for control of the realms. Zeus won and became king of the gods and god of the sky and lightning. Hades became god of the underworld. And Poseidon the god of the oceans and seas. Sun, moon, and sea don’t translate to the big 3 Greek gods. If there’s any reference to them in one piece it’s the ancient weapons

[serene nimbus]

There is also awakened logia’s like aokiji and punk hazard. It is known when you awaken a logia you can permanently change the environment like punk hazard

And akainu I mean not and punk hazard lol

[patent dome]

I stand corrected then in that regard. But as mentioned in the theory video I derived my theory from, Sun, Moon and Sea are Japanese Gods (Amaterasu, Tsukonomi and Susanoo). And a conflict between the 3, similar to that of Zeus, Hades and Neptune could've similarly happened

[patent dome]

Are they confirmed on having awakened devil fruits? Hard to tell coz at the time, we didnt have any knowledge of awakened devil fruits, I think

[serene nimbus]

yeah i defintely think oda uses mythology and gods for symbolism in the story and characters. He does it with the roman gods/planets. does it with the greek gods with the ancient weapons. i could see him doing it with sun moon and earth and i do think they represent that with luffy bb and imu. im just unsure of how if BB is the moon god what that will do to the overall story and characte relations

[patent dome]

thank you btw for sharing your opinion on my theory, first time for me crafting one and need people to fact check it for me

[serene nimbus]

like would luffy and bb team up. would bb try to take the throne. or would bb try to kill luffy. idk

[serene nimbus]

ur good. its what the channel is for and you def put a lot of effort and thought into it, so nice first theory.

[patent dome]

I'm leaning towards the idea that Luffy and BB team up to fight a common enemy. Another train of thought could be that they are both Pirates while Imu is the government which could represent BB and Luffy being on the same side - eventually.

[serene nimbus]

i guess it hasn't been officially confirmed. but it seems likely that it is otherwise the environment at punk hazard is a result of them sitll continuously waging their powers

[serene nimbus]

imu has posters of luffy, vivi, shirahoshi, and bb. we know why for the first 3. but blackbeard? thats pretty strange. definitely a lot more than we know for that guy. yami yami no mi's powers are also like the moon with how it reflects the suns light

[patent dome]

One interesting thing that I also thought of is that when Luffy finds the One Piece he would become King of the Pirates, with BB being a pirate he could eventually "yield" to Luffy recognizing him as "the King" and team up with him to fight the common enemy. Luffy and BB are also 2 people that we see in the show that easily attracts allies and enemies to fight with them. Luffy through his "purity of heart" and BB with his "darkness" -- similar to Roger and Xebec

[patent dome]

Luffy - inherited the will of JoyBoy/Nika
Vivi - inherited the will of Lili [Vivi and Lili interestingly sound very similar]
Shirahoshi - inherited the will of Poseidon
BB - inherited the will of who? [my guess is The Moon God]

what are your thoughts on my theory of the DF origins @serene nimbus?

[scarlet jacinth]

airhead luffy solos kaido

[slender fulcrum]

It's because Shanks went to the Gurusei to say he was dangerous
panels later, we see Imu with his wanted poster in his hands

[patent dome]

was it really shanks?

[slender fulcrum]

until something contradicts it in one piece and we saw a supposed twin, yeah, it was him.
Oda tends to forgot to draw scars , he himself admitted it, so lets not go wild on a theory based on a missing scar for now xD

[patent dome]

hahaha yeah but the speculation is real. the missing scar is very suspicious. hope you could skim over my theory above if you have the time. 🙂 or Oda could just be playing us with that comment

[slender fulcrum]

I read it, I'm not really sold on the three god theory since we know there was four of them mentionned in Skypea

[patent dome]

I am actually not that sold on the skypiea gods theory, they couldve simply been referencing to the gods that they worship and not the overall gods -- or it could be retconned to be this way

[zinc meteor]

Currently, Luffy's gear 5 has flaws. Can't control his power goofiness and control ones mind of being serious in a fight. Btw, this reminds me of when he first used gear 2nd and 3rd, has drawbacks. Which is why i think it is not Luffy's final form yet. Also, Luffy might try to create more gears(like based of gear 5 capabilities) in which doesnt tax much for luffy's body.

[serene nimbus]

Skypiean gods doesn’t have too much to go off of imo and I built a couple theories around them. With the 5 elders being planets and Luffy being the sun, it looks more like a solar system representation rather than 4 elemental gods

[serene nimbus]

Idk I dont really want to speak too much on wills until more info is revealed. just that the Will of D and joyboys will contradicts imu’s dreams and imo enough of Imu has been revealed u can theorize their goals. The wills of every D member r all connected somehow I think bc of what whitebeard said.

[serene nimbus]

For origins its rumored in one piece that someone made a deal with the sea devil. Some df have minds of their own and choose their users based on the users dreams. Vega calls them “dream fruits” bc it’s like they are a personification of someone’s dream. There has to have been the first devil fruit and I wonder if it chose anyone or it’s still growing and what the dream associated with it is

[patent dome]

I actually agree alot with DFs having a mind of their own, so in so that I truly believe they were living beings that were turned into DFs - willingly or unwillingly idk.

[atomic pilot]

What if the one piece doesn't truly exist? My theory of this is because Roger died laughing. Not just that though. But Gaimons arc might have hinted it. A treasure that he was chasing for 20 years that never existed. Luffy might find this out but also find out Rogers ulterior motive which would mean he would carry out the will of D. He could find this out using his ponelgrephs at Raftel

[serene nimbus]

Oda said it’s a physical thing in an interview

[serene nimbus]

Imo the one piece was a df still growing and roger couldn’t get it bc it was waiting for Luffy so it didn’t exist then. I think it could be the first DF “the devil fruit” but I’ve been called crazy loll

[patent dome]

I'd have to disagree on this. I am convinced that the One Piece has something to do with the "Will of D." and/or the Void Century. I have no idea though as to why Roger burst out laughing but it could be that it was because he realized his journey was a total waste of time and that the One Piece was never meant to be found by him.

It could also have been a map of the world before the world century with a note saying that in X years, the world will change its shape and revert to what it was before, hence Roger saying he was too early. idk

[proper leaf]

I just realized BB has 3 missing teeth. Coupled with his jolly roger, his 3 pistols, the three types of devil fruits (2 which he owns), and "they", ain't no way all this is a coincidence

[inland cobalt]

They is just his crew in all likelihood

[lunar talon]

“They” was definitely referring to solely BB

[inland cobalt]

Why would it ? Luffy see blackbeard several times afterwards and never addresses him like that again.

At best it's wordplay only for the audience Zoro/Luffy is 100% referring to the crew.

[scarlet jacinth]

brook is the most broken o p caracter
bc he can eat inf devil fruits

[lunar talon]

Because it was only BB there talking to them. And Nami specially asked about BB, saying “him”. And the fact that Luffy and Zoro correct her and she’s confused because she didn’t see anyone else. It’s obvious Oda was setting something up. That moment is drawn to hold some other hidden importance, rather than it just being “oh yeah his crew”

[scarlet jacinth]

black beard can only have 2 DF bc of his yami yami no mi

[turbid trail]

what he was setting up is that you weren't JUST going to get a fight with blackbeard; it would be a fight with his crew.

[inland cobalt]

Exactly they realized he’s a captain with a crew from his attitude and overall swagger. It makes 0 sense for Luffy/Zoro to just never bring up the fact they found a guy with multiple personalities when Luffy literally meets him again later.

Not to mention how would the even know he’s more than 1 person in the first place. Something no one seems to know about in universe outside of maybe Marco who just says his body is weird.

[lunar talon]

How would they even know he’s a captain of a crew? It’s far more plausible that Luffy and Zoro sensed something off about BB rather than assuming that he was his own captain. If you go back and read the chapter, you can see Oda was writing it in a way that Nami was a placeholder for the actual audience/readers, being confused of the situation.

It’s just another Oda-ism, he’s no doubt building off of the idea of BB being some sort of trinity. And we get confirmation that someone who eats two fruits dies, along with Marco saying his body is weird, I feel like it would fits along the lines of what he’s doing with BB

[serene nimbus]

it does. im not gonna explain it, as im still fleshing out my theory and going through old chapters, but it has a very real connection with D.

and roger said in 968 that they were too early for the one piece

[inland cobalt]

BB is definitely type of trinity and but Luffy and Zoro do not know this there’s nothing to suggest they do at all. Again if Luffy knew something was off why does he not bring it up again when he meets Blackbeard.

It’s a double meaning sorta deal it’s a subtle foreshadowing for the audience that black beard is weird. While in universe it’s referring to his crew. Also identifying someone as a probable pirate captain is a hell of a lot easier and more likely than this dude has multiple personalities.

They also literally encounter his whole crew on the way to the bar.

[serene nimbus]

I am starting to see a pattern for the D members. I think there may be reincarnations of them, maybe not exactly, but they have the same will. Out of every D. member we have seen them all get along well. Even roger and garp got along and garp agreed to protect ace. D members do not betray each other. However, the only two exceptions to the D. were Rocks and Blackbeard. Blackbeard betrayed Ace, a D member, and was responsible for the destruction of his captain and crew. Rocks tried to become king of the world and attacked the celestial dragons and their slaves. We have seen now for 2 generations one D member that stands out as a villain and will fight the other Ds. I think Joyboy's generation also had a tratior. Joyboy was the sovereign of this kingdom, just like how luffy is the second sovereign, was betrayed and the ancient kingdom fell

[serene nimbus]

ok I wrote a really long theory please critique it. it technically spans 2 documents, but you can just read one https://docs.google.com/document/d/19qTCC9nyGTZ6tjitCWCWYpjL1pJvDwwlNatunfU4jpU/edit?usp=sharing

[pearl kestrel]

@serene nimbus I commend your posts here by the way, we have very similar thoughts

[pearl kestrel]

I skimmed through it real quick, I think this makes a lot of sense

I don't think your close to what the one piece is though, neither am I or anyone else. Its just that mystical

I have some qualms with the one piece part

the 5 criteria for the one piece

1. it encompasses everything.

it reaches the entire world, something that is inherent to the whole world (wether symbolically or actually)

2. Serves as an allegory for freedom/belief.

It can't be something trivial like gold, it has to be symbolic of the main themes present within the series

3. Anti-Government restriction, censorship, and lies.

It unites things. It is an erasure of lies. falsity, doubt, fear, death. it frees everything. has to be like the gomu gomu no mi but on CRACK

4. It has enough narrative backing/build up

parallels with former Victor's (Roger, joyboy,...), enough foreshadowing and development etc. basically it has to be justified

5. It has to be something that is superficial but is actually profound.

There is beauty in the most trivial things, it has to be something that we already have a connection to, but we simply didn't realize it. This is why Roger laughed: it was right under his nose the whole time. Perhaps it was a mirror?💀

I believe all these criteria have to be met for a satisfactory conclusion

[serene nimbus]

Where did this 5 criteria come from

[serene nimbus]

Oda says it’s a physical thing, so I think point 1 and 2 should be tied together. What parts of the criteria do you think it failed

[pearl kestrel]

I added some explanation to the criteria

[serene nimbus]

I disagree with 5 in away. I think roger laughed bc the one piece didn’t exist then. Roger in 968 said to Rayleigh they were too early for the one piece. he was sure that the second sovereign would be the one. If the one piece is something you are too early for and waiting for a specific person, there are no other possible explanations right now besides a devil fruit, as they can have minds of their own.

I think the one piece can be predicted. I mean someone predicted gear 5 and that the gomu fruit was the hito hito no mi instead. Spot on. That was insane. Oda leaves clues for us. He’s not gonna do a sudden surprise thing where we had completely no idea. The one piece has to make sense and be foreshadowed looking back when the story is done. That’s his style of writing.

[pearl kestrel]

that's an interesting view of things, oda has left ALOT of clues for the one piece and that's why I made these criteria. I'm gonna have to do some thinking on this

[serene nimbus]

In the end of the day I think the biggest hints are the themes of one piece and that everything is connected. Every single mystery in the void century is all connected. a fully fleshed out theory should be able to touch every point

Can u send a view link

[pearl kestrel]

how do I do that?

[clear kraken]

Share it

[serene nimbus]

Click the share button and u will see the link option in the bottom. Set it to view so randos don’t destroy it and copy paste it here

[pearl kestrel]

there isn't a link option here

I can add by email

[serene nimbus]

Damn uhh idk if u can do it from mobile

[pearl kestrel]

I got it

https://docs.google.com/document/d/13HJPt5VXpNvRu-S0-bWk7SuCj7ixyXys20VlJIv5pUY/edit?usp=drivesdk

[serene nimbus]

I like your theory and the criteria. The one piece should have a criteria. I am biased and do think my theory fits the criteria also tho lol

My thoughts are roger could have meant search the world for the poneglyphs because you can’t reach laugh tale without them

[pearl kestrel]

it can be taken as literal or metaphorical, I tend to look at things metaphorically though lol

[serene nimbus]

A lot of one piece symbolism is metaphorical. I do think Luffy will turn the whole world upside down yeah. He’s gonna destroy the current world which is all structured around imu. Some people think he wants to do the worlds biggest party. Idk

[lime delta]

i have a theory, if smone can correct me or theres smth wrong PLEASE SAY SO (btw this might have been came up before but i just thought of it)

so sun god nika right, it has toon force, reality manipulation yes, but luffy believed that was the gomu gomu no mi so it turned him into rubber, so what if sun god nikas powers were just whatever you believe becomes real? not giving you to control everything, what if theres another gomu gomu no mi, it probably exists but theorizing that, dont you think luffy can have multiple devil fruits? like ito ito no mi, or other things because he was able to do red hawk bcs he believed he could do it, bcs of that theoretically he can use other dfs right?

i explained this horribly so pls ask if u have confusions 🙏

[serene nimbus]

I feel like imu has that power actually. the power of creation

[lime delta]

not creation, but manipulation

[serene nimbus]

Wdym reality manipulation

[lime delta]

being able to control reality, or whatever he believes in, he can change, idk how to explain this but he can basically change everything to his belief, so he will be able to have multiple devil fruits if he believes in it?

[serene nimbus]

I see. That makes me think of how devil fruits are the next step in evolution of a humans dreams. Maybe not whatever he believes becomes real but maybe the sun god can make devil fruits that are the personifications of dreams. Will of D. Willing dreams into existence

[serene nimbus]

idk about that part with the multiple df. Wb Blackbeard. Why would Luffy have multiple df also

[obsidian thunder]

maybe

[lime delta]

yes, what if the sun god nika was the core of all devil fruits, what if nika died and then he was reincarnated into a fruit, he wished for all peoples wish to come true, or their desires, and they all were grown into this tree, the "adam and eve tree" since eve ats the apple and it started all of mankind, what if it was the same for this fruit, nika wished for all human desires to exist, and freedom so he started this great piracy era, and also making devil fruits exist, so maybe the core to all dfs are nikas fruit, the first fruit, the first desire making all others true

[patent dome]

It was mentioned in the Manga that the Sun God Nika specifically had Rubber-like powers. So the rubber powers didnt originate from Luffy's mind. This could be the relationship between rubber being a very flexible substance and imagination which is equally flexible

[patent dome]

I'm taking this part by part, I dont think the One Piece is a devil fruit mainly because Luffy or whoever eats the Nika fruit would already have a fruit. However, if we are to really believe that the One Piece is a Devil Fruit, a major twist might be that the One Piece isnt meant for Luffy but rather BB [!!!]. BB already has 2 DFs in him and it has long been theorized that he can eat up to 3 DFs. Could it be that the One Piece is meant for him?

Personally I disagree because I dont believe that DFs grow but rather they are souls infused into already ripe fruits (remember post Punk Hazard when the Apple turned into the slime monster DF).

The One Piece must be something that is about the true history of the world. It is heavily implied that the members of the Roger Pirates who saw the One Piece had a sense of knowledge of the world that made them satisfied and a sense of "mission accomplished" and an ending to their pirate lives.

[serene nimbus]

Yes but it just aligns with imu and the grand line and so many things. If the one piece is waiting for someone, its too early for roger to get, and it’s not a devil fruit what could it possibly be. You are right Luffy does have a df right now. But I think the ancient kingdom fell bc of a traitor and joyboy died as there has been a D member in this generation and the previous that fights other Ds. I think Blackbeard could do something and take luffys fruit, so law comes in which makes sense with the battle of Trafalgar and the flag of Blackbeard and the clan of D sticking together. so maybe luffy could have the one piece df. Idk there are multiple ways that it could take place and oda can write this but it being the devil fruit for the chosen one and the roger pirates can’t do anything, then yeah there is nothing else they can do. What else is there to do but wait? So Rayleigh and shanks waited? And shanks told Rayleigh and Rayleigh trained Luffy.

Luffy is the second sovereign and the one roger said was gonna surpass him and be the one on time for the one piece. joyboy was probably the king of the ancient kingdom so it adds up with him being the sovereign. it’s just if it’s not a devil fruit what could it possibly be. How can u be too early for a physical treasure. Why did they hide it from imu and why is the grand line so hard to navigate

[patent dome]

Another clue for the "timing" of the One Piece would be Toki from Wano. What couldve been written in the One Piece could be: "In X years, someone will inherit my will and come seek this out, he will unite the world and unveil its true history"

Remember Toki was travelling forward in time looking for JoyBoy to meet him again. She only stopped coz she met Oden. Why would Toki specifically send Momo and the samurai ahead 20 years? It was because she knew JoyBoy would arrive in roughly 20 years. Actually, Oden knew about this as well. Remember in a flashback scene in Wano (forgot which chapter), Oden tells Toki to jump forward and leave him as he knows her goal was to find JoyBoy. He knew JoyBoy was going to arrive in Wano after X number of years because it was written in the One Piece.

[serene nimbus]

Ok but what could the one piece be though. It’s an actual physical thing

Joyboy failed in the void century. Imu won. the ancient kingdom was destroyed and lili had to spread the poneglyphs for a reason to tell of the ancient weapons and how to get the one piece

[oblique isle]

I though the whole reason they were waiting was because shirihoshi wasn't born yet

[serene nimbus]

the second sovereign wasn’t born also. And when roger talked to Rayleigh he says they were too early for the one piece.

[patent dome]

Initially I thought it was a book/diary. But then I thought, it was something that made the whole crew burst out in laughter instantly. So it was something that was obvious and could easily be seen by the whole crew on the spot.

My guess is that its either a sculpture made of gold (hence its still a treasure) or a wanted poster (seems fitting with the theme). It couldve been a sculpture of the clan of D. or the crew of D. which shows the members of D. having distinct characteristics (think Giant Mermaid, Straw Hat, etc.) and Roger realizing that since some of these people havent been "reborn" yet he was too early. D. could has stood for the "Dreams Pirates" and the "Will of D." was their will to free the world from conflict.

[serene nimbus]

I figured they laughed bc the treasure didn’t even exist yet. It’s a funny way to end a voyage.

[patent dome]

what made them laugh was that they already had some of the pieces but not all. They had their captain with a straw hat, a Kozuki Clan member from Wano, but didnt have poseidon or a princess from alabasta.

[serene nimbus]

The one piece isn’t just some sculpture or poster. It is incredibly important and the discovery and retrieval of it will start the Great War. Lili hid the location of laugh tale for a reason. Imu wants the one piece to achieve their goal

the one piece has to also go with the themes of one piece. It should embody freedom in some way at the very least and be foreshadowable

[patent dome]

what if the sculpture was a depiction of a great war that they waged against Imu? this would reveal several things about the void century that would indeed make the world revolt, but Roger and the crew did not reveal this since they knew that they didnt not have the right pieces to win yet. Instead Roger made sure to pass on the will to the world to make people search for the One Piece.

[serene nimbus]

Sure, just get chapters and panels to show that oda has been building up to that

[patent dome]

I am really bad at remembering chapters and dont have really much time in finding these chapters. haha. I just really like theorizing about it based on what I remember from the story. haha

[serene nimbus]

I could be wrong. I’m probably wrong. I just want to hear another built theory to the one piece that can be backed up from the manga and specific portions to it to foreshadow that this is what oda has been planning

Bc I’m positive we can find out the one piece before it’s revealed

[patent dome]

also, I think the one piece reveals that joyboy would be reborn in someone in the D. line. Hence why he wanted to have a child to fulfill what he wasnt able to. and to increase the chances it was his son he even sought out a fellow D. in Portagas D. Rouge to be the mother of his child.

[oblique isle]

My theory is it's joy boy with his acquaintances pulling the world back together into pangea. Using gura gura and the ancient weapons like shirhoshi or possibly a change in the land scape at least. Idk might have to put that into serious tho

[serene nimbus]

Sanji being a prince, sabo being alive, gear 5 and hito hito, and more have all been correctly predicted. oda writes so that these surprise plot points aren’t actually surprises if you look closely at what he’s foreshadowing

[oblique isle]

Yeah it's not always foreshadowing as much and reconning fyi he even admitted it

[patent dome]

this is true, however, what if Oda hasnt foreshadowed the one piece yet coz he doesnt know what the One Piece is himself. lol

[serene nimbus]

He said when wano ended and the final saga started that this is what he initially thought of when he first thought of one piece. How the actual story begins now. Oda def had the one piece figured out prob before he even started it bc he started with the ending the first

[patent dome]

and the hints for these arent as subtle to begin with. Sanji called himself Mr. Prince, he was blonde, and his wanted poster was Only Alive.

[serene nimbus]

Hito hito no mi was pretty subtle.

[patent dome]

makes sense. what if, the One Piece would be too obvious that he couldnt risk putting any foreshadowing in fears of the story being ruined. Its one thing for people to guess certain plotlines and another thing to guess the main plotline.

and if as you said he wrote the ending first and that the story starts after wano, maybe now is just the time that pieces of information about the one piece are just starting to come out. With Toki being the first piece of information. Sharley and her predictions could also be something we have to revisit since a young version of her was shown in the Roger Pirates flashback

[serene nimbus]

that’s just bad writing. A writer needs to foreshadow a surprise because if there is no foreshadowing, then the surprise is sudden and becomes random. It derails the story and immersion of the reader. The one piece shouldn’t come to us as a random treasure. I think it would make sense when we learn the one piece. We would think “ahh that makes sense” or “how did I not see that”

A good writer does their job well if the fans can figure out their story. They shouldn’t be discouraged or change their story, as the fans went above and beyond to truly understand the themes characters and plot of the story.

[quartz kayak]

Theory: The “One Piece” is just the general concept of a Coat, Jacket, and things similar to that.
We know from Rogers Iconic “He Laughed” panel that whatever joyboys treasure was, was so goddamn funny it made his entire crew burst out laughing. As such, I personally believe that Joyboy didn't have any treasure on Laugh Tale at all, but instead, Roger and his crew found the Skeleton of Joyboy, with his Coat still draped over Joyboys Skeleton. But Why? You may ask, why is the One Piece just the general concept of a coat. Well it's simple, even by the standards of the series, the way Characters wear their coats should be not possible. Now this doesn't apply to every coat we’ve seen in the series (such as pre-timeskip smoker) but damn near a lot of Characters “Wear” their coats by draping them over their shoulders, like it's a cape or some shit. Now this would be fine if it weren't for the fact that during fight scenes and stuff, a draped over coat is like glued to said characters shoulders. Take Crocodile for example, bro got his shit rocked by Luffy, taking lord knows how many punches, got sent quite literally flying through a goddamn roof, was airborne for multiple seconds and fell straight onto concrete, his draped over coat didn't even flinch. Have you ever tried to wear a coat by draping it over your shoulders? You can't, you just can't, so even by one piece standards, one punch from luffy and crocodile's coat would have been sent flying. So therefore in the One Piece world Coats have a special, innate property to them, I mean just look at how many people in the series drape their coats over their shoulders, doing it in real life makes you look hella stupid and it is nigh impossible to pull off but in one piece, captain timbuck timmy strolls in with his coat draped over his shoulders. So Therefore, Joyboy using his powers or something like that permanently altered how people would wear their coats but it took so much out of the guy to do such a thing that he was near death, with his final action, he draped his coat over his shoulders, and Died.

[patent dome]

I think though that "ahh that makes sense" could be the goal of Oda but that doesnt mean it has to be foreshadowed. We do have tons of information as to what the One Piece MEANS to the world and how it ties into everything, we just dont know what it is. It just needs to tie everything together. The beauty is in how it ties every single thing together.

[serene nimbus]

Yeah it should tie into everything I agree. Especially everything in the void century. I think it makes sense what you said. Joyboy could have left a note on laugh tale along with the one piece. I could see it

[patent dome]

one foreshadowing of this could be Toki's Prophecy in Wano. That wasnt just a prophecy, it was a Poem/Haiku. Maybe the biggest foreshadowing of all time is actually something we've all glazed over -- the song: Binks' Sake

[serene nimbus]

Wb binks sake

[patent dome]

Maybe the song is actually the letter of JoyBoy to the world as to whats going to happen years from now

some lines I find interesting in Binks Sake:

"Now the waves are dancing, Beat upon the drums" - Waves are dancing refers to Wano, Beat upon the drums is what Zunesha says when Luffy goes into Gear 5

"But if you just hold on, The morning sun will rise" & "But don't look so down, For tomorrow night the moon will also rise!" - reference to the Sun and Moon Gods

"The birds sing as they draw circles in the sky!" - Talking about the Sky islands and the Winged Race living there

"Far across the salty depths! The merry evening sun!" - Could be a reference to Fishmen and their longing to see the sun, there's no such thing as an evening sun but that is what the Fishmen want, to see the sun.

I'm sure someone else could do a better job in deciphering this coz I'm sure I read about a similar theory about this somewhere before

Now comes a storm through the far-off sky
Now the waves are dancing, Beat upon the drums
If you lose your nerve this breath could be your last
But if you just hold on, The morning sun will rise

This sounds really like Wano Arc

[slender fulcrum]

The one piece is something that can only be activated by / awaiting a specific person. Maybe its locked behind a mechanism that will open only at a given time, maybe you need a special devil fruit, maybe its just standing there but Roger's Pirate read a prophecy explaining why it shouldnt be used right now etc...

[scarlet jacinth]

ngl sogeking is defo ussop
isnt that obvious

[craggy cairn]

Could it be that the information or what it contained could be used against the world government but roger knew the world wasn’t ready so wanted to inspire a new generation and hope someone could rally the world behind them?

[fallow bobcat]

The marines actually keep their coats on with the power of justice

[twilit kindle]

Nah its been debunked many times

[elder sand]

i got a theory

Some theories speculate but what i think that there may be like multiple One Pieces scattered across the world. Each One Piece could hold a different significance or power and finding them all could lead to a grand revelation or ultimate power for example gear 5, sun god nika maybe an ancient power or anicent revelation but idk that is just what i think

[molten marlin]

But it's mentioned tht Roger finds the treasure in the island laughtale and not around the world collecting pieces of the treasure

[elder sand]

Many believe that Raftel is the island where the One Piece is hidden. Raftel (yk raftel) is said to be the last island of the Grand Line and like maybe it is rumored to hold the key to the world's history and the true nature of the One Piece It is speculated that reaching Raftel requires obtaining the ancient Poneglyphs and deciphering their secrets

Laugh Tale and Raftel are one and the same. It proposes that reaching the end of the Grand Line where maybe(maybe) Raftel is located, brings about a moment of revelation and laughter leading to the name "Laugh Tale." The nature of this revelation and its connection to the One Piece remains a topic of speculation ye so u know gol d roger he laughed ALOT so maybe this makes sense

[molten marlin]

But one of the editor's mentioned there is a physical treasure

[rustic lance]

Isn’t Lodestar the name of the final reachable island before you need the poneglyphs?

[elder sand]

its just what i think its not that deep

[molten marlin]

I believe tht luffy will find one piece and uncover the secrets. Then there will be a war between pirates and world government

[elder sand]

and yes im pretty sure

[slender fulcrum]

Its also possible that roger's coming was already written in what he read so he knew what was his role

[quasi sluice]

it would rile up the fans more and it would be really interesting if it did happen

[serene nimbus]

No yeah I take that back I think he could

[quasi sluice]

but he wants to stay unknown and not stand out

[solar ruin]

hmm

[quasi sluice]

if imu went all guns and glory on all of the wanted people then all of the civilians who like the wg would fear them

right now most of civilians feel pirates are the evil ones and the wg is the force of good.

[humble hazel]

No sense? Really now? Just like everybody was 100% sure Luffy had the Gomu Gomu No Mi for most of the series while the Government kept it a secret in order that nobody else went after it, and gave them time to get it from Luffy? I'm pretty sure the Government didn't even know Robin knew how to read the Ponyglyphs when she was a child. They were just killing everybody, but the reason was never mentioned except that Ohara was researching the Void century. So where exactly did they mention their reason for calling the Buster Call? What I said actually makes a lot more sense than you think, because in the same way they'd be willing to hide the existence of the Nika fruit, there's a good chance that it isn't the only fruit they want to obtain at all cost. If the Government was so concerned about just the Poniglyphs, then they'd go after everyone who knew the real meaning of D. as well like Rayleigh and others. The issue I brought up Robin's Devil fruit being significant is because while she names all her attacks based on "flowers", the actual attributes were always somewhat unknown to us fans up until she awakened it, and took the form of an actual Demon. Now consider this, who else takes the form of an actual Demon when they transform via Devil Fruit? The Gorosei. So it is highly likely that Robin's Devil fruit has some connection to the kind of hellish devil fruits the Gorosei have. When they transformed it was said that it felt like "being in hell" in their presence by Cobra in a recent chapter, or was it Sabo? Can't quite recall. But yeah, there's definitely more to Robin's Devil Fruit, and it would be wise to not go by everything you think you know, because plot twists like the emergence of the Nika reality could very well happen with Nico Robin's Devil fruit. It's also possible that the giant saved Nico Robin because HE knew she had THAT fruit, as well as because she was just a child.

[quasi sluice]

maybe her awakening is similar to how the dodomeki looks??

[humble hazel]

Could be 😮 I had to google that word real quick lol
All I know for sure is that her Devil Fruit is not some common fruit. While we've seen elenental, material, and dinosaur fruits, her's was the first we've seen where the user transforms into an actual Demon. Then the Gorosei which is quite telling. Although we only got to see shadows of what the Gorosei turned into, they were crawling on the walls, and had horns while Cobra mentioned that it felt like he was in hell when they transformed.

[quasi sluice]

maybe she can put multiple eyes on herself and gain 360 vision? and have multiple arms. this could maybe make up for her observation haki

[humble hazel]

You might be onto something there, because she certainly can produce multiple eyes if she can produce multiple arms, legs, and ears like in the past. An dodomeki devil fruit huh ;o interesting

[quasi sluice]

yeah

and it would certainly look like a demon kinda like kokushibo

[quartz kayak]

Ah yes the sheer concept of Justice allows for coats to be glued to marines shoulders 💀 I mean we’re probably never gonna get an explanation for why oda uses coats the way he does aside from the fact that it looks cool

[fallow bobcat]

Oda's words not mine

[quartz kayak]

Did he actually say they keep their coats on thru the power of Justice?

[fallow bobcat]

I believe it was an SBS

[quasi sluice]

imagine how op zoro would've been if he had robins fruit. he would be a real asura

[humble hazel]

These sorts of "what ifs" are unnecessary bro. It just won't happen. Good imagination though. 😉 To be honest though, Zoro is already too OP. He's the next Rayleigh for sure. The fact a human can do what he did against King is just incredible. He literally grew more heads and arms. He don't need Robin's fruit. Zoro is a freak of nature lol

[patent dome]

Yes, its the last island you reach via the log poses and it is in lodestar that you should find out that you need the poneglyphs to find the actual last island (laughtale/raftel)

[quasi sluice]

ik they are unnecessary but imagine how different things would've been.

[patent dome]

I dont think its actually logistically ideal for Zoro, he would have to be carrying 9 swords all the time to be in asura form. a better fruit for him would be the Warp-Warp fruit hte teleportation fruit used by the sniper of BB's crew.

[patent dome]

yeah this is very interesting and I could see it totally happening. It wont specifically say Roger but maybe something cryptic. Or maybe it will say something like the crew with a man in a straw hat will arrive (Roger's straw hat was with Shanks at the time and Shanks stayed behind to take care of Buggy) hence the laughter of the crew. Maybe Roger thought he was too early because he believes the "prophecy" was talking about shanks and not Luffy. He also whispered something to Shanks if I remember correctly, maybe he said, The One Piece is for someone in a straw hat. Hence Shanks letting Luffy hold on to it and saying: "Give it back to me once you've become a strong pirate"

[serene nimbus]

I think roger genuinely believed it would be ace not shanks. So did shanks since he didn’t think it was and why buggy was so mad bc he thought he could’ve got the one piece. Also explains why he was at luffys village (give ace the df) and tried to save ace at marineford and talked to wb. He knew that the era would end but also ace would die, and he still feels loyal to roger

I’m glad that shanks and ace met even if it was only for one night. They were happy and drank and ate. And both of them knew without telling each other that ace was rogers son.

Shanks could have gave ace the strawhat. He was probably going to. The story honestly seems like it’d be about ace, but it wasn’t. Shanks and Rayleigh were waiting for the person that roger was waiting for and that’s luffy

[patent dome]

I dont really disagree with this. I would think that Roger rather wanted it to be Ace vs believed it would be Ace. For Shanks, I think he knows what the Will of D. is. And who are the 2 people/kids with the D. initial that he would bet on: Luffy (grandson of Garp) and Ace (son of Roger) - so he basically keeps an eye out for the both of them thinking that one of them (or both, depending on what the Will of D. actually means) could be the inheritor of the Will.

[hot elbow]

i know morj is a meme, he def is. muh raid will fail. but i gotta say i relaly love his theory about vivi getting the kuma fruit

[pure raven]

guys i think Usopp will beat blackbeard and free the way for luffy to become the pirate king and Usopp becomes infamous for this feat and thus achieves his dream o becoming a brave warrior of the sea. Nami is the only one who doesn’t make it to the end and gets negg diffed by the 5 day disease

[proper leaf]

Still catching up but as I read it, that's also possible that it's crew they are referring to.
But idk, Oda frequently has these easter eggs and such setup that I also do believe he may be referring to multiple personalities. Not to mention right after he says the drink was good when before, he said it was awful.

[inland cobalt]

If it is then it’s exclusively a nod for the readers. There’s no way Luffy or zoro could know he has multiple personalities and they never bring it up again.’

[lunar talon]

I don't think it was "just for the readers". Zoro might have sensed it from BB since he had that moment in Alabasta after his fight with Daz about sensing his sword. And you keep saying that they never bring it up again, but what would the point of that be from an in-universe perspective? Like when Luffy met up with BB in Impel Down, what would have been the reason for Luffy to just say "oh right yeah guys, I sensed something weird from BB all the way back when...anyways let's keep escaping"

[inland cobalt]

If that weak observation haki can determine that then we would see someone else do it.

[lunar talon]

maybe it wasn't even haki, Zoro and Luffy probably just noticed off pure instinct

[inland cobalt]

Then it would definitely be much more widely known

[lunar talon]

by who

Why didn't Zoro or Luffy answer Nami and just say "them as in his crew"? Like why ignore Nami if the answer was just that obvious?

[inland cobalt]

Pretty much anyone if someone can just see it by pure instinct in a super short intro then someone who would naturally interact with a lot of people would be exposed.

[inland cobalt]

This goes both ways if the answer was Blackbeard is multiple people then why not explain that at any point later on. it’s simply a dramatic pause for effect.

[lunar talon]

Because it's going to get revealed properly later on. If it was the crew, then the dramatic pause for effect wouldn't make much sense since we were already exposed to his crew before hand.

It's setup up to be dramatic, and the answer won't be revealed to us until whenever Oda decides to write it out

[inland cobalt]

We were exposed to them as individuals not as a crew. The reveal all those people we saw earlier are a dangerous pirate crew.

[lunar talon]

So how did they know they were a crew if they were exposed as individual characters beforehand?

[inland cobalt]

If they can figure out he has multiple personalities in that short a time then dozens of other characters who interact with them more would know. It’s just Occam’s razor we see them refuse to fight black beard because it’s not a fight with one person but multiple then see him with a crew it’s almost certainly referring to the crew.

They probably didn’t know who was in the crew just that it was a crew. It’s the start of the arc that introduces observation haki after all.

[lunar talon]

idk, agree to disagree. I find it much more plausible to believe Luffy and Zoro noticed something off about BB and referring to him as multiple people, rather than referring to him as a part of a crew, let alone a captain of a crew. Even with the consistency with the missing teeth in the manga and anime, and what Donkey Shots said about BB hating a drink before the speech he gave then after the speech he somehow liked it seems more in line with the "multiple souls" theory or whatever people are calling it.

[inland cobalt]

It absolutely is inline with that Zoro and Luffy just don’t know it. The flag is easily the biggest piece of evidence imo. A literal 3 headed beast as his Jolly Roger when all of the jolly Rogers we see are at least tangentially tied to the crew is very telling.

[lunar talon]

I just meant the interactions in Jaya were telling signs

[inland cobalt]

Though I’m kinda skeptical on the teeth angle afaik his teeth tend to be pretty inconsistent overall but it’s irrelevant since there’s other types of 3 imagery like his beard having 3 prongs.

[pure raven]

I don’t have much to back this other than her age, Kureha, the doctor who taught chopper, could have been the doctor for Rocks pirates? Or another pirate crew

[pure raven]

Hear me out. Eustass Kid is the strongest character. Eustass Kid has the ability to control magnetic forces, such as adding magnetic fields to objects, etc. However his magnetism makes him the strongest character, as humans, and all other life forms, have magnetic fields, and are therefore affected by magnetism.

This is already crazy considering he can now assign magnetic poles to whatever he wants.

[light zodiac]

So he could technically move the earth? 🤔

[rustic bone]

The grand line does have specific magnetic anomalies from each island which makes regular compasses unusable

[gritty kite]

Already done something similar

[gritty kite]

That having anything to do with awakening is headcanon, she hasn’t been stated to be awakened. Devil child has been her nickname all her life, she has been sprouting giant limbs and clones of herself since timeskip, a giant clone is the natural progression after those. Not to mention given the awakenings we have seen, hers could be sprouting other people’s clones and limbs. We don’t even know 100% if demonio fleur is black because of haki or not. https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/p0i8gp/to_all_who_keeps_doubting_that_robins_new/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1 It looking like a demon maybe is just her personal touch, she has been seen sprouting angel like wings before. If you go and read the O’Hara arc, them being after a fruit is totally out of place, would feel like a retcon. While there could be fruits for the other three gods mentioned in that Noland flashback, Robin’s fruit is one that doesnt make much sense or gives us any reasons to think it might be the case.

[tepid heron]

Is not like Oda dont recon things for the sake of the plot. To this Day, i still believe that the Nika Nika reveal was a retcon.

[inland cobalt]

I don’t think that’s what retcon means

[humble hazel]

You're right. It might not be an awakening, but just because nobody mentions it doesn't mean it isn't. So few people even saw that transformation. Like was there any mention Brook knows Haki? No, but he does use haki after time skip. I do wonder if Nico Robin did transform into that Demon form when she was a child, and that it was the reason they called her the Demon child. Could be why she never used that again until Wano arc. She even said that for Luffy she will become a Demon if she has to. We might get a flash back at some point showing Nico Robin use that transformation as a child, but who knows haha Nico Robin is so skilled with her ability that she may have awakened it a long time ago.

[inland cobalt]

She’s called the devil child because the people of O’Hara were called Devils that’s it.

[humble hazel]

I don't recall them ever being called "Devils".
Can you show me where?
Also, that's kind of stupid. Calling a people devils for being educated lol
And what are the odds that Nico Robin would later be shown to have a Devil fruit with an actual Devil transformation then? lol It makes more sense that she transformed into that a long time ago, and because of that name she hated using that power until she finally decided that she's willing to become a Demon for Luffy. That is the first person she's ever felt the desire to fight for.

[inland cobalt]

Because she controls the transformations ?

[rustic bone]

I think they were repeatedly called the Devil of Ohara. The story was from the world governments perspectives so they were Devils from their perspective. They believed their education would lead to the end of the world

[humble hazel]

More like End of the world Government lol honestly, those guys of the World Government are so pathetic. XD the similarities of the OP world Government and the real world Government are uncanny lol

[midnight elbow]

I think I figured out what devil fruits are. It’s stated that devil fruits have demons inside of them that give the users power but I them that they aren’t devils at all and aren’t evil. What if the “devils” are actually the souls of members of Joyboys kingdom and the powers they grant you are powers that that member had.

The reason they had thoes powers is because someone used their imagination to make them like Vegapunk revealed. What if Joyboy himself gave everyone their powers

During the war between Joyboy’s nation and and the leaders of the 20 countries, Joyboy was going to lose. In their last efforts to keep the souls and powers of everyone alive the fruits were created. Either by Joyboy himself or the reminence of the D Clan

[gritty kite]

I don’t think it’s a devil “transformation” she has been sprouting giant limbs made of smaller ones, that demon is probably something similar. In fact it’s not clear, but it seems to be just the upper half of her body like the one she was using right before using demonio fleur. If like everything giant she has sprouted before it’s made of smaller limbs, she can probably make it look like whatever she wants.

[steady prism]

Inhabitants of Ohara were called Demons in Ch396 by the Marines and in the WG’s propaganda about that incident. Robin has been called a monster/demon in her backstory because of her df, even in Ch397 when she was trying to escape Ohara. Robin’s bounty poster post-Enies Lobby gives her a moniker “devil child” or “demon child” (ch435). Before she did her transformation in ch1021, Robin said “I can be a demon if I have to. I’ll do it for the people who truly need me”, which is clearly a reference to Robin taking back that moniker and giving it a good meaning. There is no evidence she transformed into a demon as a child.

[pure raven]

The earth is pretty big, but if he was some kind of superbeing he definitely could

[steady prism]

Not the place for jokes @quasi sluice . Also @pure raven , this idea of yours is probably better discussed in #manga since it is being framed from a powerscaling lens (strongest character based on the potential of his df).

[pure raven]

Ah

[quasi sluice]

oh I was in manga theories mb

[jagged void]

That’s just creepy

[steady prism]

!theories

@obsidian thunder please use #other-series for casual chit-chat on a different series.

@light zodiac as I’ve already asked Mechanical, please take this Kidd discussion to #manga . Also the parallels you mentioned regarding Shanks’ parents are better discussed in #manga-serious

@pine lance @pure raven please ask questions and make “what if” comments in #manga or #manga-serious . This channel is for long in-depth theories like the ones pinned

@subtle gulch Please use #manga-serious for short Zoro theories like that. This channel is for long in-depth theories like the ones pinned

@monkeyd.zai if you have a theory you’d like to share, please present the theory’s premise and explain the evidence around it in text form instead of just posting pictures. Otherwise, please use #manga or #manga-serious if you’d rather just share pics.

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, power scaling, bounty predictions or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description. Posts here must be in paragraph form, preferably with evidence, not just a one line open question.

[steady prism]

@hybrid bramble please ask open-ended questions in #manga-serious

[hybrid bramble]

Open ended how ?

🤔

[steady prism]

Its not a simple yes or no because it leads to assumptions on what the VoAT actually is. Regardless, you’re asking a question in a channel that’s meant for discussions on long in-depth theories.

If you have any more concerns, please feel free to DM

[hybrid bramble]

Okay

[humble hazel]

na, I peeped. Thanks. I forgot about that.

[pure raven]

I got some theories
I believe that the D clan are the true gods of the world, while the world government is comprised of fake gods. In most story arcs involving a country, it is revealed that the fake rulers have stolen the land from its rightful owners, such as Alabasta, Skypiea, and Dressrosa. The original D "gods/hero" were a clan of nine, with seven already known, and I think two more will be introded. Also another theory is like real life, where many religions have been disproven by scientific findings, hence the introduction of Eggisland in the final saga.

[wild remnant]

So I curious if anyone has a thought on where the 4th road ponyglphe is in the modern timeline.
We know thanks to the Oden flashback that in Rodgers time Big Mom had hers alrdy, the one on Zoe and Wano were still in the same place. The 4th was on Fishman Island.
The Big Mom, Zoe, and Wano ponyglphs didn't move in all that time, but the one on Fishman island was moved, but where?
Who moved it?
Why didn't King Neptune tell Robin "hey, we had a are one at one point"?
I'm curious of ppls thoughts

[steady prism]

!theories

@obsidian thunder @pure raven since you two have brought up a “future prediction” rather than an in-depth theory, please use #manga or #manga-serious .

@flat otter please ask that in #manga or #manga-serious

@wild remnant I do appreciate how you’ve compiled the surrounding context behind the 4th Poneglyph. However since this channel is more for in-depth theories, I think your question would be better appreciated in #manga-serious where a proper conversation can be had about it. Please move your comments there. Also, there are some theories on the Man Marked By Flames and the Black Ship in the channel’s pins so you’re welcome to look at those for details on people’s opinion on location of the fourth Poneglyph. Feel free to reply to any theory that catches your eye.

@pure raven you’re correct, 7 D clan meme era were introduced. However the WG is an affiliation of over 170 countries (initially started by 20 dynasties). Does that mean every country was ruled by a D clan member? Why do we need 9 D clan members to be introduced?

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, power scaling, bounty predictions or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description. Posts here must be in paragraph form, preferably with evidence, not just a one line open question.

[chilly swallow]

I’m once again proposing a weird theory: Rocks D. Buggy

We have on both case a crew made by by some of the strongest members of its generation, on one side we have Kaido, BM, WB, Shiki, Stussy, on the other we have Crocodile, Mihawk and I think later we’ll discover that new members have joined (Boa, Law, Moria, Doffy, Kidd are all possible candidates), and both captains in world are believed to be very powerful, BUT we have no evidence that Xebec was strong.

Xebec was described as Roger greatest enemy, and yet in OP Buggy is considered one of the major threat by the Marines, so it’s clear that Sengoku is not a reliable power-scaling source.

I think that Buggy could even be Xebec son, thus making him a D. clan member, which would sorta explain why did he manage to end up as one of the Emperors other than for comedic purposes.

This could explain why he was on Roger’s ship, maybe he was also found on God Valley and that’s where they picked him up.

Also, during marine ford Buggy stated that he will become King of the World, and in one piece there is only one other character with the same objective.

I know that some may say that was just a gag, but how many times we have seen foreshadowing through gags (i’m not saying he will actually become king of the world)

Somebody will definitely ask if Xebec was a silly buggy like character how did he managed to create such a strong crew, my answer is that either he did it through reputation alone, or he did it via Davy Back Fight (at least that would make Long Ring Island more relevant), or it’s a mixture of the two.

If in the future as I predicted we’ll see new ex shikibukai members join Buggy I doubt they’ll be aware of Buggy real strength because of the reputation he made until now

Also, since Xebec does not look like a clown, for me he canonically smashed a Clown Girl

[slender fulcrum]

I do think than somehow Xebec will return and he'll make it through BB.

[fathom matrix]

What if the mother flame was meant to be a giant solar panel powered device that takes in light and helps to power things, BUT it got repurposed as a sky laser?

What if it can also dump energy/if it's overcharged it releases excess energy from the sun, and the world government thought "eyo, hold on, what if we weaponise it?"

[tropic gyro]

Akainu has the last road ponegleph because Blackbeard said that that one with road ponegleph has a burn scar

[rustic bone]

It's probably Saul

[pure raven]

Not sure if anyone has had this theory before but I believe I have evidence that Big Mom is alive post Wano. She spends a year of her lifespan to become stronger, now this means that she would have lived for another year for certain, otherwise she would have just died when she tried to do it or it wouldn't have worked at all.

[whole lance]

Idk how we feel about linking theories here, but i've been having a long back and forth with @plush pike about One Piece and Castle in the Sky parallels and the easiest way to sum up what we've been discussing would be to link this guy's tiktok (9 parts) https://www.tiktok.com/@iravzu/video/7246946884441427206
he's actually went over it with a lot of depth and theorised the end of one piece based on it, i find it insanely compelling and this is definitely my new favorite theory for EoS and the big questions in OP

[hazy lagoon]

this guys on to something

[hasty bridge]

fr

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, power scaling, bounty predictions or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description. Posts here must be in paragraph form, preferably with evidence, not just a one line open question.

[tall hatch]

Imu definely ate the water water fruit. He is the only one that would have a broken power like that. The way he changed form when he attacked sabo he probably shot a water arrow. His devil fruit probably nullifies all of the other ones because of his manipulation of water

[midnight pendant]

bro did u read manga he didnt shoot water arrow he ate it

[tall hatch]

What he use to Impail sabo and cobra then?

[spark violet]

What if Edward Weevil backstory is that stussy was infertile or that he died at birth so Vegapunk or the mads brought him back to life, this would explain his stitches, and possibly why he is dumb.

[spark violet]

I really hope so, giving him the Myosgard treatment would be great.

[obsidian thunder]

bruh

[sturdy remnant]

Gear 5 Was Always Active:
One of the top reasons for this was when Luffy Drank Milk And Recovered His Teeth Back. Not only that, to further that explanation, One of the Guards Were Shocked To See This Happen Which Only Confirmed That This Wasn't Natural.

Showing That Luffy's Imagination Stretched to Think That All His Teeth Would Recover If He Drank Milk

[oblique isle]

Why does that work for brook too tho?

[sturdy remnant]

Luffy's Imagination Affects Things Around Him During Gear 5, allowing him to grab literal lightning from the sky.
Meaning it also affects even living objects

[oblique isle]

So your saying that when Luffy eats food he heals heals him self and if other people eat food around him they will be healed too?

[atomic pilot]

Buggy might have awakened his devil fruit in impel down, this explains why he was able to separate his body to dodge all of Mihawks blows in the war, even though when Luffy faced him back in Orange town, he could only separate certain parts of his body. Impel down is shown to be torture and full of criminals and if you compare them to Buggy, Bugggy would obviously be driven to the point of DF awakening.

[atomic pilot]

In Thriller bark, didn't Brook say that milk heals him because it contains a lot of calcium? It can't be Luffy's doing because Brook had this as an established fact before Luffy came along

[oblique isle]

Ahh yeah that makes sense not my theory tho lol

[obsidian thunder]

?

[steady prism]

!theories @drowsy ridge not the place for one-liners. Please use #manga next time

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, power scaling, bounty predictions or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description. Posts here must be in paragraph form, preferably with evidence, not just a one line open question.

[drowsy ridge]

it is a theory my friend

[steady prism]

Then per the channel’s description, please provide a good amount of evidence/reasoning to support it. This channel’s for in-depth theories like the ones pinned

[lunar talon]

this channel is for in depth theories, not one-line statements

[sturdy remnant]

I guess so, depends on Luffy's Imagination because he's drinking milk with Brook. He probably also thinks it will also heal brook too, so it happened.

Can you be more specific, do u mean hoe cracker died in one blow or the living creatures?

[sturdy remnant]

Remember Luffy doesn't know he ate the hito-hito no me and still thinks he still ate the gomu gomu no me.
And to add on Luffy can still be tired as his emotions can affect his imagination. Which is the same reason why when Luffy became exhausted after the fight with Sanji, he looked wrinkly and older because that's how he's imagining himself.

Despite eating a lot, Luffy only associates food with only his physical health. This doesn't mean that Luffy gains all his stamina back because that depends on his emotions.

I forgot to add this, Luffy's body hasn't fully adapted to his fruit. But his fruit can modify Luffy's body, however my point is, his stamina comes from his emotions. For example, determination can fuel Luffy's imagination that can make his body feel ready to go on an adventure

[primal cargo]

A post on why I think the final villain is Blackbeard
https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/14x1gm8/blackbeard_is_also_a_liberator/

It's true that One Piece is a story about Luffy liberating people from their oppressor, including freeing the world itself from Imu and the Celestial Dragons.
But Luffy is not the only liberator in this story. Blackbeard also embodies the figure of the "liberating pirate", only in the exact opposite way.

The Drum arc has Luffy kick the evil King Wapol out of Drum Island.
But he's not the first. Months before, the Blackbeard Pirates had come to the island and driven Wapol out of the country once already.
The difference is the Blackbeard Pirates destroy the country and leave it in ruins. Wapol's departure is only an indirect consequence.
Whereas Luffy specifically only fights Wapol. Freeing the people and allowing them to make the country a better place going forward.
In that way, One Piece is proposing that there is a right and a wrong kind of liberation.

Look at Blackbeard's signature move. He uses his darkness to absorb everything, and then !!!

Blackbeard's approach is indiscriminate destruction. He doesn't care about others and will be tearing down everything, including an oppressive system, only as a byproduct of his self-interested actions.

Luffy's approach, on the other hand, is to fight the oppressor, because he dislikes them. He doesn’t necessarily think about the politics, but he sees someone who stands in the way of everyone’s freedom and he takes them out.

So Blackbeard is much more to this story than just another pirate trying to get the One Piece. He represents one of the two ways that the world may be liberated from the Celestial Dragons.
We either have :

• Luffy’s joyous liberation, in which he takes down the Celestial Dragons to allow people to get back their freedom.
• Blackbeard destroying the system only to take over as the king of the world, leading the world further into darkness.

In this second scenario it would take a final act of liberation by Luffy to finally bring the dawn of the world.
I believe that this is the more likely scenario, since as I've explained Blackbeard has been foreshadowed as Luffy's perfect opposite, the figure of the evil pirate and of the "wrong" liberator.

When you also consider that :

• Blackbeard has always been a rising power in this story. His gains at Marineford are arguably the most important outcome of the war.
• Blackbeard plans to take over the world, so the World Government is his target. He also takes after Rocks who himself attacked the World Government directly.
• Blackbeard is an opportunist who has consistently been taking advantage of other people's fights to fulfill his own agenda.
• Blackbeard is a more personal antagonist to Luffy than Imu.
• It would be fun

I think it's likely that Blackbeard, in some way, takes advantage of Imu's fight/defeat against Luffy, to seize power and make himself the bigger and final antagonist for the end of the story.

[silver kiln]

On the contrary I think Luffy vs BB will happen just before getting to Raftel and become PK. There Luffy learning all the secrets will swear to have Im/etc down.

[sturdy remnant]

Luffy was able to save Ace, the thing is that Ace himself sacrificed himself to save Luffy. Luffy's emotions let him awaken conqueror's haki which saved Ace which was an large difference than if he didn't feel anything.

What I'm pointing out is that Gear 5 was always Active, not that he becomes literally unstoppable because of his imagination. This wouldn't happen yet as Luffy's body hasn't fully adapted to his devil fruit.

So yeah the outcome still stayed the same because it wasn't Luffy's doing that Ace ran in and took the hit.

Ace could've easily just pushed Luffy over and ran, but he chose not to as Ace has already accomplished his goal, to leave a legacy and be known across the world. In the end Luffy has no control of ace's actions

[sturdy remnant]

And so that meant Luffy's imagination was useless at this point as he felt it was all over and didn't want to live without his brother leaving him unconscious which is still proving that Gear 5 was always Active and that's the reason why his eyes turned white.

(Apparently I don't have permission to send images, but you should know what scene I'm talking bout)

[serene nimbus]

i agree with @silver kiln luffy is going to need to fight a final boss before becoming pirate king. seems likely it is blackbeard as luffy will need to rely entirely on haki and not DF hax. he wouldn't have beat kaido without his DF even. like kaido said "... roger, he had no fruit power and still brought the world to heel! such hurdles can only be overcome with haki". and luffy's final hurdle before becoming PK will be a hurdle he can only overcome with haki just like roger

if BB did something like that, it would feel so sudden and break our immersion as a reader. so much build up for imu as the final villan, and then BB just steals the show. it wouldn't feel natural to us and one piece would have a weird ending like naruto.

i dont think Oda would rely on fake outs for narratives. that isn't his writing style. Blackbeard is the antithesis of luffy I agree and I mostly agree with all your bullets. We don't know if blackbeard plans to take over the world though and BB is known to be on imu's radar

[spark violet]

I've had this theory for a while where Buggy might actually be hiding his "true" power regardless of whether it may be a slightly stronger than he already is or alot stronger. Some proof people would like to use for this theory would usually be somewhere around the escape of Impel down to saving ace but those proofs can be easily disproven. But if you go back even further to when him and shanks were still on Roger's ship you will recall that Silvers Rayleigh was in charge of taking care of them as well as teaching them things like haki, some argue that Buggy was simply to stubborn or dumb to learn haki but as we recently learned Buggy has had the dream to become pirate king since he was young and his passion is ever more growing meaning Buggy would have wanted to learn it. Therefore Buggy could gain if not already has haki and/or conquerors in the near future as there is not enough evidence to say otherwise. Buggy could pull an Obito at any given moment and we wouldn't be ever the wiser about it.

[sturdy remnant]

If buggy ever learnt haki, he would most likely be using it often to fight against tougher enemies however I still agree that this theory is somewhat possible due to the fact that Buggy actually inherited Rogers will and because haki is an manifestation of the users will, this may give Buggy an insane boost in the story.

[sturdy remnant]

However there are many questions to be asked as if Rayleigh ever actually taught haki to younger crew members, if so it would entirely debunk this theory due to the fact that Buggy would've early on already been using haki.

Unless if this takes an different approach and that Rayleigh never taught Buggy due to his stubbornness and doesn't see Buggy worthy of teaching him haki which means that Buggy will either never learn haki or will learn haki by himself in the future. Besides that point that he inherited Rogers will, it shows no signs that Buggy has learnt haki but he might in the future.

In what way? As in Imu's head got chopped off he would still be alive, unstoppable or do you mean in matters of age?

[little portal]

in matters of age

[sturdy remnant]

Obviously he is immortal, Joyboy was from the void century that took places hundreds of years ago. If aging were to affect him, he would be already dead.

[little portal]

ok

[steady prism]

!theories @little portal not the channel for questions, please use #manga or #manga-serious next time

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, power scaling, bounty predictions or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description. Posts here must be in paragraph form, preferably with evidence, not just a one line open question.

[little portal]

ok

[serene nimbus]

can u guys also monitor the manga channel please bc people r spoiling there

[steady prism]

Got them, please don’t hesitate pinging any helpers if that ever happens again

[sturdy remnant]

This is an very likely theory and would be interesting to play out as Luffy will try his best to spare his opponent like how he did with katakuri (excluding kaido of course because that was Luffy's imagination aka Joyboy taking over him not Luffy himself) however there are some key details that debunk this theory, if Blackbeard truly is the final antagonist then what would his death mean? Killing someone doesn't bring people together and the point of Joyboy was to bring people together and be filled with Joy. As it wouldn't make sense to make Blackbeard the final antagonist anymore as Luffy is supposed to bring everyone together. Not to kill the ones that don't understand.
(God this took forever)

[primal cargo]

I don't see why this fight for Pirate King couldn't happen after Imu has been taken down

[steady prism]

@unkempt flint Sundays. In the future, please ask questions like that in #manga

[frozen wind]

I like this theory but if you consider some of the recent events involving Blackbeard he is currently hunting law for the ope ope fruit and Blackbeard is looking to join the world gov and become a king. There is the possibility that he will catch law and offer him to the gov for kingdom status for his pirate island. I dont think blackbeard needs the luffy/imu chaos to join the wg but I dont think it hurts his case either.

[frozen wind]

I like the theory that Buggy is stronger than he appears but my take isn't that he is hiding it. I think that he is unaware of his power.

-he trained along shanks under Raleigh, and shanks still holds him in high regard.
-he survived the roger vs whitebeard battle so he has been yonko crew level for a long time. I like to think that this is proof he is able to withstand conq haki as well. because if old whitebeard met shanks with a haki battle and some of his crew passed out. I dont see why he would hold back his haki in his prime vs roger.
-he teched Mihawks black sword at marineford. If Raleigh trained shanks and buggy similarly to luffy. He could have either casually dodged with observation haki or did it instinctually. Mihawks past interactions suggest he wont even tough his black blade if he does not respect his opponent or situation.
-he has the same level of charisma as shanks, luffy, and dragon. Many characters in the one piece verse are gravitated to buggy by admiration of him or extreme circumstances. He has amassed followers willing to overthrow the government for him.
-as a captian his decision making skill are top tier. We have seen him navigate battlefields to get his crew to safety. He avoids stupid fights and makes alliances with the winning sides.
-his confidence is killing his potential. Buggy is astounding in feats according to normie characters. However other big names dislike his personality and showmanship which leads to disrespect. Even if buggy doubts his ability he will never shown that to his crew and they will never question his confidence even though he basically has none.

Tldr- I personally think that Buggy is Yonko level if you assess his entire skillset, history, and assets but he himself doesn't realize it. He might even have conq haki but his lack of confidence is interfering with its awakening

[silver kiln]

-he teched Mihawks black sword at marineford. If Raleigh trained shanks and buggy similarly to luffy. He could have either casually dodged with observation haki or did it instinctually. Mihawks past interactions suggest he wont even tough his black blade if he does not respect his opponent or situation.
I hope we get more information about this, but Buggy fruit is paramecia, I expect, with even haki inbued, that the properties of the fruit will remain.

[frozen wind]

From what I understand armament haki does reduce the damage resistant properties of paramecia but not the physical attributes. Luffy is my main example of this we still see him stretch significantly and take damage when taking armament haki. It the past we mostly see him effortless tank regular hits outside of comedic situations. I think if a haki adepts swordsman hit buggy it would hurt as normal but the fruit prevents it from being lethal.

[ashen surge]

Buggy is immune to slashing attacks even when imbued with Haki if he's able to cut himself into appropriate pieces before the attack hits. Just like Luffy is immune to non-haki blunt attacks, it's a funny RPS kind of thing at the beginning of the series.

[sturdy remnant]

Do you think Buggy could have Conqueror's haki because he inherited Rogers will?

[eager kelp]

Idk I think the opening 17 actually hints and some endgame stuff. We see some admiral matchups then black beard literally does just “show up” and steal the opening

[serene nimbus]

I don’t watch the anime so idk

[frozen wind]

I think that it is possible but it depends on buggys future development. Ive viewed conq haki to only be present in people who have an absolute belief in something. That belief is strong enough to bend other peoples will and make their own unshakeable. Buggy doesn't seem like he is committed to one specific goal or belief yet. Luffy's/Rogers belief in freedom. Zoros will to become the strongest swords man and to never lose for luffy's sake. Kaidos that he is the strongest and unkillable We have never seen a weak willed conquer. Buggy would have to fully commit to Roger's beliefs and find something to be confident in before he get conquers haki imo. Hopefully the cross guild will help his haki awaken in some way.

[summer snow]

but I think that luffy will find the pirate who has the last lode poneglyph, he will fight them but mid way, BB will come and the pirate will be defeated and luffy vs BB will happen for him to get the poneglyph, get to laugh tale, become PK, learn the history and like others have said, defeat imu and instead of becoming king of the world like ROcks aspired to be, he would find the all blue while learning the history (Sanjis dream) Zoro will prob defeat mihawk as cross guild tries to steal the poneglyphs and for zoro to take down Mihawk completing his dream, robin would learn the history, and on laugh tale chopper will probably find a secret herb and cure all diseases, nami will make the world map and brook will meet laboon when they travel out of the grand line

[proper leaf]

Wait does Shanks have an all-Haki crew? I remember at the beginning he said that only people on his crew were allowed to swim and that'd make sense as to why they are so strong

[pure raven]

Buggy was introduced early and got carried on, rising in ranks consistantly. At this point, if people deserve a D in their name it is him. I struggle back and forth with his fighting power. I made a thread before, where the Black Blade and Haki situation comes in.

*Like if black blade is filled with haki, there is no way Buggy could have dodged Mihawks strikes, close up, without having like observation Haki

I also might have a short one take on the Shanks, twin situation: Oda has many options, a twin, a copy or even Catarina Devon, using her DF to act as Shanks - we have seen another BB pirate to sneak in before also. Maybe she used his help? - There are a ton of options to go from.

[steady prism]

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[broken heron]

I feel like Blackbeard is the Madara or even Aizen of this story, not Kaguya or Yhwach

[knotty rover]

Kaguya or Yhwach are probably like Imu
Akainu is also likely

[slender fulcrum]

On the contrary. We have the looming topic of Xebec lurking. We have no idea who he really was but that his goal was to be king of the world.

He attacked god valley for unknown reasons, but we can assume its linked with his goals.

We now have BB who seems to have a link with Xebec somehow. He reclaimed his ancient turf,. His ship is named " Fang of Xebec " and it seems his goals is to become king or rule the world , like Xebec, since he doesnt want to become the pirate king as of now, but ruling a kingdom like a real king and probably ascend the noble hierarchy.

To my point :

I think luffy will find the One piece , uncover the full history but BB will steal it before his very eyes, claiming the title.of Pirate King and will head straight to Marijoie to challenge the Gurusei and Imu with whatever power he'll get from the One Piece.

At this point in time the Revolutionaries would already be confronted to the Holy Knights so Marijoie will be weakened allowing BB to wreak havoc.

Luffy will be on his trail to avoid BB winning and put the world into utter darkness and slavery, killing freedom.

BB will defeat IMU and will claim the empty throne, Luffy will fight all its way to red line (with his fleet , allies and pluton ? ) enter marijoie and there will be a gigantic battle that will destroy red Line and Fishman Island beneath.

[pearl kestrel]

thoughts on this guys theory? @dusanpt on tiktok

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[pearl kestrel]

the guy in the video speculates that the gorosei are all ancient weapons or they wield an ancient weapon. He theorises that luffy will kill saturn, taking the ancient weapon, and therefore weakening the gorosei (assuming the WG beat Joyboy because of an ancient weapon advantage). and this will be the "egghead incident". Luffy will be villianized because of this.

[pearl kestrel]

?

[slender fulcrum]

1- Nothing atm indicates slightly that there are other " ancient weapon " besides the three we knows, adding " secret ancient weapons " would be lame. Mystical or powerful devil fruit, why not though.
2- Luffy won't steal anything cause even if he had an ancient weapon in front of him he would not want it - Vegapunk might though.
3- Luffy is already being vilianized because of Morgan who spread the info that he's trying to abduct Vegapunk

The "egghead incident" is something you might not expect. Luffy fleeing with Vegapunk is expected. However, BB meddling in all of this and the death of a Gurusei ( not by Luffy's ) and the slaughter of the entire Navy's fleet would be an "incident"

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We ask folks to only provide in depth replies in this channel rather than quick quips so that the level of conversation remains high. And talking down to people’s ideas makes them less comfortable sharing them, so discussions always need to remain respectful. Your follow up was good, but in the future please stick to posts like that

[pearl kestrel]

1- the reason behind the speculation that the gorosei are/wield ancient weapons are their names. The ancient weapons are: PLUTOn, Poseidon (NEPTUNE's child), URANUS. The Elders having planetary names could be interpreted as ancient weapons.

2- what is the reason luffy wouldn't want an ancient weapon? I believe its clear that to win this war, Luffy would need ancient weapons.

3- If they do kill saturn and take the ancient weapon then I believe its undeniable imu would villianise luffy which is the reason for the "incident"

[slender fulcrum]

1- it can be a sound argument, but I don't think it's likely because we had talk of three ancient weapons from the start, or else we would have heard about more that were " lost " , adding more would just be " surprise ancient weapons ! " that would diminish the importance of the three existing one without even explaining a thing about them... I don't see it likely as a scenaristic progression. But I agree that both ancient weapons and gurusei might share the same root for their name. Maybe their devil's fruit are old and powerful tool that were kept locked away by the WG and even not appearing in the DF encyclopedia. I also may add that the devil's fruit of the Gurusei might be inherited and transfered from generations to generations. But we're in the same area as " Monkey D. Dragon is having a Dragon devil's fruit because his name is Dragon "

2- Which war ? Luffy does not want to conquer anything, nor engage in a full scale war - yet - it's unlikely he's needing and feel the need to have an ancient weapon. His only goal is Laugh Tale and the One piece atm. Not engaging in a war against the WG. So I don't see him interested by an ancient weapon at all. As I said, Vegapunk would be more suited to take it and study it - if there is one -

3- As I said, Luffy is already being framed for whatever is happening on egg head. So there is no need to add more anyway

[pearl kestrel]

1- I don't think it would be shocking to find out the world government has been hiding certain ancient weapons existence.

2- It's established that Luffy is Joyboy, and Luffy being depicted as an enemy of the God's (Imu, CDs) is something heavily present throughout one piece. At this point there's 0 doubt that Luffy will be leading the war against the WG

3- I don't think the Morgan thing decreases likely hood for even more villianisation of luffy, especially if something as big as killing a gorosei and wielding an ancient weapon happens

[slender fulcrum]

putting aside point 1 or 3 because its subjective, point 2 is absolutely not at all Luffy, and Insist on this. He does'nt know he'll have to lead a war, he's not even interested yet, he doesnt even care nor have the motivation for it right now.
It's absolutely unlikely he will see an ancient weapon an say " hey, that will help me in the war to come that I don't even know about yet nor care at the moment" 💀. He's the warrior of liberation, not a conqueror, he said it in front of rayleigh, moreover, I dont see him using one because it'll just make things easy and we know Luffy is not like that, he revel and enjoy the challenges

[spark violet]

New theory- Sogeking returns, we all know that Sogeking is what Ussop always wanted to be, but soon after a few arcs we never see him again. This proves that one, Usopp just need to be more confident and believe in himself and that "Supposably" he doesn't need to hide under a mask anymore. BUT AS WE SEE IN WANO, Usopp still cowardly runs even when he had the chance to have his moment. This leads me to believe Sogeking will return, maybe in elbaf.

[pearl kestrel]

taking one ancient weapon won't make things easy, it will tip the scale on joyboys side. And I don't see a reason as to why luffy would reject taking an ancient weapon

[modest skiff]

Well he already shrugged and left Wano when Robin told him he was standing directly above Pluton. So at the very least, its not a huge concern of his.

[inland cobalt]

Luffy would absolutely take the ancient weapon if he thought it was cool especially if it was a mech. He wouldn’t want out of domination or malice but because he would think it’s cool. But I agree the Gorosei probably aren’t ancient weapons. The ancient weapons were probably used by joy boy to fight the WG who used Imu +the OG Gorosei. This would lead to a “Galactic War” with every planet accounted for on one side or another.

[inland cobalt]

Luffy also would be far the least inclined to use pluton with frankys history with it.

[gritty kite]

I agree with you in everything but Vegapunk has already been said by the narrator to disappear , he can’t leave with Luffy. I can’t believe people think Luffy will go around using ancient weapons of mass destruction. Totally no, they are going to be used by other people and most likely villains, I doubt Luffy is going to win thanks to them

[inland cobalt]

He almost certainly is going to use 1 ancient weapon Poseidon.

[pearl kestrel]

additionally we can see that Peter questioned imu twice

[spark violet]

What if Buggy and Franky are related, I don't know if people have speculated this yet but in both their stories you don't know their biological parents as they were found seemingly randomly. They also both have blue hair and share similar personality traits.

[pure raven]

I think that there is no evidence to support this. The "no-parents" type thing is pretty common among many manga or anime. We also have not seen many mothers. Also, Vivi has blue hair, Nami´s sister has blue hair and we also do not know who her parents are.

Also Sanji´s siblings have all different hair colors. So the hair in anime is always more of a design choice, then actually related to parental relationships.

[last bramble]

Nah, I don't think hair color signifies relation unless specifically stated. Look at Big Mom's kids, they have literally every hair color possible

[last bramble]

True, although they're a unique case where their diverging hair colors and outfit colors are part of their theme, but also you could argue it is a product of the genetic modifcations Judge did on them, as the "failed" one, Sanji, has the blonde hair of his mother and father. I think, appearance-wise, at least according to the Strawhats when they first met Yonji, that the boys are almost identical as far as facial features, enough that the mugiwaras briefly confused him with their own crew mate despite the radically different hair styles

[last bramble]

Potentially I could see it, but that would open up a hole new can of worms depending on when it takes place in the story. If it is in the next year or so, that would open us up to more questions, like are there ALWAYS five elders? Do they have a replacement elder ready? Can someone become an elder in that way? Are the elders immortal? Are they the only beings allowed to (in a small capacity) question imu sama in any way?

[wild basin]

interesting how all the gorsei are named after planets and Uranus is also a planet...

[pure raven]

I mean if I was the author I would give the reason to modification also but like writing wise or design wise, having each one have a different color pallet makes sense, also which is tied to their powers. Hair color in anime is generally much different than it is in real life, so that is never really a good indicator to go from. Especially when it comes to unnatural hair colors, such as like blue.

[last bramble]

I mean unnatural hair colors in one piece don't exist technically, so comparing it real life wouldn't help

[loud nimbus]

Well he appears to be one of the few who expresses genuine regret. Like during the Ohara incident. Hope it’s true one less celestial scum

[last bramble]

Well with the introduction of Garland, we know how being a "decent" Celestial turns out.

[pure raven]

So as we know Garp, Heim, Koby and gru seem to be the only marines/sword members on pirate island at the time as garp issued an evacuation to which all remaining sword members are now on garp's ship outside of pirate island. Garp told Koby, gru and Heim to run to the ship as fast as they can and make it out alive. In the panel there are 4 of them in the shot which means all 4 are important. This to me could mean one of Two things. 1. Garp knows he isn’t going to make it out alive and this is where he will take his last breath. 2 Aokiji retired as a marine leaving a space open, kirazu has gone to egghead and will most likely be defeated which won’t go down well leaving another space open and obviously akainu will probably be defeated meaning the main 3 admirals would be defeated and out of the job. Garp considers koby to be the future of the marines and also took hiem under his wing and gru asked garp if he was part of the marines future too, technically if you count greenbull being defeated there's also hibari. These 4 have essentially been accepted by garp so what if those 4 are the future admirals at the end of one piece? Fuji will most likely retire imo. 4 for 4.

Back to my main point. Koby is obviously the main one of the 4 and is Garp's Successor if you will. Obviously koby has the rocky port incident which we have yet to hear about but what if this is kobys moment to shine and to prove himself to garp properly. Obviously everyone is under the agreement that bogard is going to cut down the giant hand that's going to crush the garps ship by the evacuated sword members. But what if koby has a moment of struggle to which he is reassured by garp and koby takes the lead of the situation. Obviously they are sword members, they don’t have to follow marine rules meaning they don’t have to follow garps orders at all. Hibari said she was useless and wish she could have helped.

What if koby is able to rally up all the remaining sword members and the ones on the ship and encourage them to fight to save garp. I personally can see them disobeying garps instructions and them joining koby in fighting back. Essentially making it an extraction mission. If this works this would be a massive feat for koby. Also look at it this way. Luffy is a figure that represents Roger and is able to encourage everyone around him, koby could be the figure that represents garp in this situation and he is able to encourage everyone around him too making them perfect parallels like garp and roger during the god valley incident.

Alternatively koby could inspire everyone and the sword members could come back fighting to save garp but it could go wrong. If koby does take the lead and have a main objective im sure the other sword members and marines are also with the cause and cause its sword they would be willing to die for the cause. This is also a match to Luffy having the samurai willing to die for him so he can succeed. What if bogard cuts the hand, the inspired sword members come back to save them and either one 1 end up getting killed but kobys team got away or 2 they were able to defend kobys team and kobys team managed to get garp on a black beard ship and sailed off while the sword members were happy to stay and fight to insure garps survival. Bogard would stay too and have a farewell to garp. If they were able to get on a bb ship to escape then it could be the one thats headed to egghead and could be by coincidence, they are in a state of panic and just went a random direction and ended up there. This could be a way for luffy and garp to reunite. As garp acted on his own and what not saturn could kill garp or instruct kirazu too which would give luffy a reason to fight saturn and get to hate the WG meaning he would be able to join the fight later down the line, potentially when he meets with dragon and sabo again properly. Garp could also retire.

[pure raven]

Well, blue, green for example are not natural hair colors.

[past nexus]

Maybe Sengoku shows up based off of foreshadowing of Blackbeard being Rock D Xebec?

[smoky lichen]

DAMN

[west vessel]

The Monkey Family Dilemma, Dragons Plan:

I think Garp did a much better job in simply leaving Luffy with his brothers. And creating an environment for him to become stronger while exposing him to trauma early on to make him stronger as well. I don't think applying ethics or morality here works because it provided an extremely beneficial outcome for Luffy albeit his methods are extreme. Although his goal ultimately failed it was setup to do so from the beginning.

I think he was a horrible dad to Dragon however. He seems very much to have gone out to get the milk and never came back. His over emphasis on freedom is a concerning statement. Rmeemver Oda quite literally said mother figures are the antithesis of adventures or freedom. So Garp being in an atypical relationship with his wife....just isn't happening at that young of an age. Or any age for that matter. I wouldn't be surprised genuinely if he had Dragon on accident. And at the young age of late to mid 20s when Garp had Dragon he from just this simple panel of denying Aokiji seems very much too immature to deal with being a Navy Soldier while taking care of a kid. So he probably left Dragon with his mother. And if she's anything like Garp...well I think Dragon grew up a very sad and lonely life but one that allowed him to see the truth of this world.

And yet Dragon still gave Luffy to Garp. Maybe Garp requested or accepted out sheer guilt and wants to right the wrong he made with Dragon. But Dragon being wise and knowing Luffy is gonna grow up similarly to him no matter what said sure no problem. Plus what with the whole Government trying to kill him.

The Juxtaposed reaction to Dragon being a Revolutionary and Luffy wanting to become a Pirate is like night and day. The news of Dragon becoming a revolutionary comes across as him just being annoyed if anything. Whereas Luffy being announced a pirate obviously frustrated him alot more.

I believe this harkens back to his blunder with Dragon. He wants to set things right with Luffy the way it should have been for Dragon. We see in Luffy or Ace or Sanos flashbacks that Garps involvement with their lives growing up was quite involved. He paid visits beat and fed them but it made them stronger and filled them with convection to pursue their dreams.

I suspect he did ABSOLUTELY none of this to Dragon.

This has never been more apparent. The absolute polar opposite relation of Dragon and Garp isn't just rooted on their ideologies. It's rooted in who they are as people. Dragon acts and behaves as if completely alien to Garp in blood relation. Because Garp was never there for Dragon. Lonely always frustrated no doubt and potentially grew up wealthy due to Garps status and or income in the Marines. And or whatever Garps wife had. Yet Dragon seemingly made the best of it and through his position whether or not he grew up with wealth or nobility, he was able to learn the truth about the world and the Goa Kingdom he was part of.

Seeing the abandonment of the people of Gray Terminal and figuring out the plan to destroy it no doubt filled Dragon with the same experience of feeling too left alone or cast aside by Garp and or potentially his mother.

You have caused this boy to despise his own kind...Goa Kingdom!!

He wasn't just talking about Sabo....HE WAS TALKING ABOUT HIMSELF TOO ODA COOKED IM TELLING YOU

I mean that figuratively....I mean he did cook Grey Terminal but....

So what is the significance to it all....this all leads up the reunion of father and son! Luffy will meet the Revolutionaries face to face and uncover the truth as to what happened to Sabo after the egghead arc is over and the Worst Generation suffers crushing defeats! This is whats going to happen after egghead.

And Dragon knew this entire time. It would happen.

And it will be just at the brink of death just when things seem to br the end. Just went certain Death seems imminent. There wether by chance or coincidence Luffy will meet with Dragon. And this is happening right now.

Dragons plan was Luffy all along. The will of Luffy. That great will. The will of D itself. Dragon will play a huge role in helping Luffy find the One Piece. And on the way there Shanks and Buggy will be present waiting. While Blackbeard lurks in the shadows. The great battle royal to end the Yonko System. And all the world will do and can do is watch and question as the Government is powerless to do anything

[vital spoke]

You can gain a devil fruit power by eating the heart of the devil fruit user, like Blackbeard he ate Whitebeards heart, and got the Gura Gura no mi. Big Mom completely devoured the Soul Soul fruit user so she ate her heart, so she got the power.

That's how the Blackbeard pirates steal devil fruits maybe

[tropic gyro]

Nice theory I never thought of it

[slender fulcrum]

We don't know that yet. It's possible though, but I don't know how could BB you have eaten WB's heart given that we saw no scar and that there was already a giant hole in his torso , maybe it's just " eating the flesh of a recently deceased DF's user.
It's also possible that BM killed Mother Caramel and her fruits power passed on whatever food or stuff that was near that BM consumed eitherway

[oblique isle]

What makes it the heart tho. I actually have the same theory infact I think the devil fruits become ones heart. They all seems to have valves (there stems) that could be a heart. Alternatively vegapunk makes me think you just have to consume there blood after they die or something

[strange hound]

If that was the case then bb should have come out of the black veil of marineford all bloodied with mouth and hands stained red💀

[round mist]

Since blackbeard priates are after devil fruits, I suppose they carry some fruit which causes the fruit to convert into a DF and that's how bb got wb's power

[oblique isle]

I thought of that too but I think with vegapunk talking about how if he switches the blood of the serphim he can switch the devil fruits leads me to believe it's more to do with blood and extension the heart since it's a blood valve basicly

[last bramble]

In OP they are

[slender fulcrum]

Interesting, I don't remember that part, I thought he just said that he found a way to create a fluid that worked like blood and could copy devil's fruit. Or the Devil's fruit change your DNA and that's what Vegapunk meant by " blood ", but as someone pointed out, the BB pirates doesnt seem to be cannibals and apparently are hunting precise devil's fruit they can steal, meaning that they doesnt need to consume them right away. Burgess was there to get Ace's fruit but wanted to get Luffy's too, so it's likely that they carry some device that can suck a devil's fruit power out of a previous owner's body.
Punk hazard was the first occurence of a Devil's fruit " transfer" into another fruit, so the power of a fruit does not need to be consumed right away, but can be absorbed into something.
BB's power is darkness and black hole, maybe BB Awakened his fruit and created weapons or tools who can " pull " a devil's fruit into an item imbued with his power

( I'm pretty sure they are stealing fruit not only for themselves, but to sell them too )

[hollow lagoon]

I'm sure Black Beard heard the stories from Elbaf of Big Mom eating her Mother. More likely since there was a witness. Which is more likely than the alternative theory of them murdering them and knowing how to find the devil fruit after. (Or having a mystery device)

[quasi roost]

Milk just heals bones in the one piece verse. I suppose, I don't see whitebeard drinking milk a whole lot so maybe not everyone knows about this

[round mist]

I suppose you are assuming gear 5 is luffy's awakened df form but actually it's not and is just the upgraded form of gear 4, luffy's df will be awakened when he truly recognises his power, right now he thinks as if he ate the gomu gomu no mi and will just be a much better form of his rubber abilities. Also to note that luffy's body uses 3x the energy which means that his body utilizes food faster than regular humans which is why his scars heal much faster.

[sturdy remnant]

My Defense against this is right after they drink milk, an nearby Navy Officer is confused, showing that it isn't natural to have their teeth regrow instantly

[sturdy remnant]

I'm assuming that Gear 5 was always Active due to the fact that he heals in a instant after drinking milk, however despite Luffy's body uses 3x the energy. The same thing happens to Brook as he also regrows his bones back. And apparently Gear 5 has the ability to manipulate things around the user like Luffy grabbing the sky and pulling out lightning.

[sturdy remnant]

In an Nutshell if you don't understand the top text: The healing would've only applied to Luffy and not Brook which makes your statement false because of it also healing Brook and not only that Gear 5 is known for manipulating the user's surroundings, so that means that when Luffy Drank Milk it also effected Brook too.

[lunar talon]

#manga-theories message

as this guy mentions is that Brook already apparently had this happen before meeting with Luffy so G5 didn't affect Brook healing, but more so Luffy healing his tooth

[vital spoke]

There was a giant hole in him though so he could just take it out

[slender fulcrum]

I wouldn't expect the heart to be intact anyway.
I think BB just had a tool with him ( maybe his rings ? ) because they wanted to finish WB themselves and then BB acted

[vital spoke]

Maybe he used the Yami Yami no mi to like gather the pieces of his heart or something, but whatever it was it's something other people can do as well, because his crew can do it, and Big Mom did it too

[inland cobalt]

If the heart=DF then it doesn’t need to be intact you just need a single bite.

[vital spoke]

Do devil fruits have to be intact?

[desert latch]

No, it just needs to not have been eaten before. I believe we see kalifa and kaku cut up their devil fruit before eating it in enies lobby

[vital spoke]

So hypothetically devil fruit juice can exist

[steady prism]

!theories @slim abyss interesting thought, but please use #manga-serious for shorter ideas like that unless you have more details

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[potent cipher]

But toki can sent other people into the future.
This is a busted ability.

Imagine if someone relevant got the fruit.
some enemy pulls up, ok i ll send you to the future , I'll prepare gather my forces because i may not know everything about the future, but i do know you 'll appear at the place I send you from in however long it maybe.
Imagine if some admiral had the fruit
at aces execution , sent whitebeard a day into the future. How op would that be.

all time based abilities are always super busted.

[sturdy remnant]

Ah ok, earlier before, many people kept asking me for an explanation why Brook also healed so I assumed that Gear 5 can also affect others.
However it does, like making kaido into jumping rope, so I thought it would also apply to Brook

I'll have to find more evidence that Gear 5 was always Active then.

[spark violet]

Theory - as I was going over and re watching and reading one piece I realize that in many of the occasion that dragon appears saying something he is saying something ominous, and alot of the time to make things ominous they make it sound almost spiritual or something of that sort. For example the earliest one I could find was when he was introduced during luffy's execution Smoker was saying "Could this be a coincidence, It's as if the heavens don't want this man to die" and later dragon is seen saying "The storm of fate has arrived" and around Impel down in a flashback he says something similar. This leads me to believe that as some people have the Voice of all things and can hear the voices of some animals, Dragon can hear the whispers and voices of the wind and etc. And connecting this with his fruit power, whatever it may be, he might be able to hear the voices of the storms and sea too.

[forest rampart]

This is just a random theory out of nowhere.

"Oden: I feel so... unnerved here...
Roger: I know how you feel, Oden...
It feels like... Like something huge is watching us..."
Only Oden n Roger felt unnerved when they were approaching the whale tree.

: Zunesha is very old. It's a living creature so it will die. But what would happen to Minks civilization on its back? Where will they live after that? And is there anything more about the whale tree?
　: There are only two places in my mind which are Wano or Laugh Tale. But I'm more inclined to Laugh Tale because of the whale tree. Like I think perhaps something might happen if the whale tree is transferred to Laugh Tale land, but not Wano. And also because Zunesha is about the same height as the Red Line itself. So the whale tree will still live up above the sky at Laugh Tale later like how it is now with Zunesha. (pls refer to the linked Fun Facts about Zunesha).
　: If there's any slight foreshadow, perhaps it's about whales - Laboon at the Reverse Mountain (Twin Cape to be exact), and the whale tree. And whales are fish, living in the sea. Reverse Mountain brings up the sea water up to the mountain, the sky. So while trees live on the land, for me it's like perfect if the whale tree could get direct access to the sea water itself.

[fathom matrix]

If Zunisha died, I think over time Zoa would become an island, like a proper island

[ivory urchin]

The mink tribe has to be older than 800 years old, so it makes you wonder. Where were they located before they moved to Zou? Perhaps the ancient kingdom or something

[forest rampart]

Oh that's right. I've heard something like that before. Yes, perhaps it might be something like that. A new island then. I wonder where this new island will be located then.

[forest rampart]

Also, I forgot that the whale tree already got access to direct sea water through zunesha's bath time

[atomic pilot]

I heard of a theory where Luffy goes back in time using Bonneys and Kumas fruit to see what the void century was, and that when he does he then erases all devil fruit by returning wills or something. By doing this though, Brook will no longer be alive and Chopper will turn back into a normal reindeer, thats why I agree with this theory or atleast part of it.

[forest rampart]

Really? I forgot about it. That's really something important then

So yeah. I was thinking the same thing too sometimes ago. And just like my theory, I'm inclined to the ancient kingdom rather than Wano.

[silver bolt]

Theory : the ancient weapon uranus is part of the one piece

[tardy pumice]

I think the mechanism for converying the void century beyond the ponygliphs is probably gonna be stored memories from a paw paw fruit user (maybe placed by Queen Lily).

[elfin granite]

i thought of a theory idk if someone else thought of it, roger had many reincarnations for 800 years and a devil fruit user back then granted him a fate for the next 800 years to return to make a massive impact in the world, reincarnates as luffy and luffy becomes a god, so the one piece probably includes treasures from previous reincarnations and adventures and stuff, this could also make sense considering roger is looking for someone and how many yonkos arent the ones they are looking for, idk tho

[vital spoke]

Yeah maybe Gold Roger is Joyboy

[lunar acorn]

Gol D. Roger was more aware of the world than Luffy was
in fact Roger's aim to set sail was to "turn the world upside down"
he had a goal and to achieve that goal he had to find crew and poneglyphs, he aimed to change the world, and the pirate king title was just a bonus that came after as a result
Luffy on the other hand isn't aware nor cares about the world or anyone's intentions
he set sail to "become the pirate king" whatever that means, he's pulled in by the title, and he had to find the crew, adventures, poneglyphs to get the title, he's in it for the title, and the turning of the world upside down will be just a bonus outcome/result of that
and he still won't care

[low swallow]

Sent Whitebeard a day into the future so that he arrives to see his entire crew dead?

Sending someone to the future just means you won't have their help in the present. And since you don't know how the present would turn out, it's even worse, cuz neither of you would be able to plan around that.

[potent cipher]

But that is a very big advantage tho, the ability to choose when you fight.
You would have the most control on your present. don't like something, sent it to the future.
You know whitebeard is coming the next day , don't feel like fighting him? just sent him one more day into the future. You could keep on sending him into the future till you have a nuke set up for when he arrives.
Imagine someone who had the time time fruit before toki sent them way into the future (toki could jump 800 years) , you could keep entire devil fruits out of action.
Extremely OP ability.

Imagine if instead of killing Joyboy you just keep on sending him to the future forever. The fruit wouldn't even have the ability to choose a successor.

The ability to predict anything however minute is extremely strong. The time time fruit may not have this ability inherently, but you can set up events so that you are absolutely sure , that whitebeard will appear at said place at so and so time.

[potent cipher]

but the user of the time time fruit can plan around the unwavering fact that whitebeard will not be in the battle field for 1 day.

[ivory urchin]

Will we see another user of the time time fruit before the series ends?

[loud nimbus]

It’s probably in the wano region. Don’t devil fruits reincarnated in the nearest fruit available?

[ivory urchin]

I wonder what that fruits awakening could be? Sending people back in time?

[turbid trail]

Wait, what if that’s why roger was too early? what if the gomu gomu no mi was sent into the future?

[azure scarab]

Could explain why the government had it in the first place and why Shanks knew when to get it too

[thorny axle]

the time time fruit is an interesting one, because like, sure the user can send themselves into the future, or others. What's to stop there from being multiple at once if one could go back? or the effects of the fruit from overlapping if other people were sent forward, but then the user died....The rest are pretty clear in, when the user dies, another fruit of the type nearby becomes the devil fruit.. but that one could introduce some weird shenanigans.

[floral elm]

Robin will die

[quasi pecan]

Moria for sure saves them
Possibly uses Garp as a way into Cross Guild? This is a good way to introduce Luffy to them
But they set up them saving Perona for a reason I feel

[loud nimbus]

Love the irony

[strange hound]

Oh shhh- makes so much sense now...moria can get really big too so he can stop the island arm

[midnight elbow]

Luffy = Joyboy
Zoro = Ryuma
Sanji = Binks

[past parcel]

Joy Boy is just a name given to the person because of his laugh due to the nika fruit not his real name.

it has to be awakened too

[midnight elbow]

I mean
Luffy = Nika
Zoro = Ryuma
Sanji = Binks

[vernal skiff]

Gecko Moria will steal garps or akojjis shadow and who ever loses he will put their shadow in their body

[obsidian thunder]

i can see what you mean wth luffy and zoro but how is sanji

[forest rampart]

More like Brook is Binks
Like Binks Sake song is written by Binks and Soul song (idk) written by Soul King Brook

[wise glade]

Just curious Luffy still needs one crew member right, cause if you think about the marines with the fleet admiral, 3 admirals and they had the 7 pirate captains and even bbs 10 titanic captains

[inland cobalt]

Vivi/Yamato incoming

[forest rampart]

Np nopee.. It's Tama

[midnight elbow]

I think whoever originally wrote the song = Brooke. The song was about Joyboy’s crew and their adventure. The sake they are talking about is obviously made by the crew’s chef aka the Sanji of back then.

[inland cobalt]

It could also be the captain himself who is bink

[midnight elbow]

Proof that it’s about Nika’s crew. These are lyrics are in Bink’s Sake” Now the waves are dancing, Beat upon the drums” sounds like it’s Nika’s doing. Making the waves dance and hearing the drums of liberation

[inland cobalt]

It absolutely is but we don’t know who Bink is

[midnight elbow]

That’s why we will have to wait and see. But I’m guessing Binks was the chef on Nika’s crew cause he made the sake

[inland cobalt]

Chefs don’t make booze tho it’s a different skillset.

[midnight elbow]

I also think that Ryuma was on Nika’s crew because who else could have written those Poneglyphs

[inland cobalt]

Ryuma wasn’t a Kozuki tho he was a Shimotsuki

[midnight elbow]

Even back then only the Kozuki could use it?

[inland cobalt]

He absolutely could be part of the crew but he’s likely not the creator of the poneglyphs

[midnight elbow]

The one that made them was Nika. The one who wrote them was Ryuma

Luffy has been compared to 2 people, Joyboy and Roger, the same could be about Zoro, Oden and Ryuma

Zoro has used both of their swords after all

[forest rampart]

Joyboy (Nika) = Luffy = Captain = D people?

Ryuma = Zoro = WSS = Can't write and can't read poneglyphs

Binks = Brook = Song

Sora ? = Sanji = Cook = All Blue

? = Nami = The drawer of the world's map (earlier which is unknown who is her) and Nami (the future one after SHs destroy the red line of Marijoa)

[inland cobalt]

But it’s explicitly stated the Kozuki wrote them and Ryuma is a Shimotsuki

[forest rampart]

Kozuki (dont know who) = Robin (or Oden) = poneglyphs something (write it or read it)

Pluton's father (the creator of Pluton or just Joy Boy's ship) = Franky = shipwright

Chopper, Jinbei, Tama

[midnight elbow]

That might have not been the case 900 years ago tho. In the void century maybe the Ancient language in Wano was also deleted. Well attempted to be deleted cause obviously the Kozuki are the last ones that know it

[inland cobalt]

That isn't what is said they said the Kozuki were expert stone masons and thats how they could make poneglyphs.

Ryuma absolutely could be on the ship but not as the poneglyph maker.

[midnight elbow]

I’m not saying he is the one that made them. I’m saying he might have known the language and could have written them

[forest rampart]

Sorry but I'm really forgetting stuff now but questions..

• Why does the "word" ponelyphs or poneglyphs "transcripts" exist?
• Since when does it exist? or created?
• For what reasons?
• If it's a word/ language, which civilization used it in the past? Perhaps an annihilated civilization?
• If it's just some "transcript" you know.. code and stuff something, was this poneglyph codes created in order to hide something important (the Rio Poneglyphs) from their enemies? ..a powerful enemies? Like how Prof Clover concluded everything to the Gorosei

Feel free to do your own theories Mango

[inland cobalt]

why would Ryuma know something they don't if they are from the same country and it's not like Ryuma has been stated to be some master renaissance man. Plus if he is a zoro analogue he's probably dumb as rocks.

[pure raven]

🦮 meets 🦶in the final battle for the one piece this battle is amazing an has an amazing double🦵🏼 spread🦵🏼

[midnight elbow]

I’m saying that it’s just the normal language in Wano back then lmao. Even if he was dumb why wouldn’t he be able to read

[inland cobalt]

Then why would the Kozuki not know their own language???

[midnight elbow]

When did I say that. I’m just saying that since Ryuma was on Nika’s crew he was the one that wrote it. I never said the Kozuki didn’t know it

[inland cobalt]

But the Kozuki are stated to be the ones who made it why add a needless middleman that over complicates things.

[spark violet]

Theory - As we see Luffy progress in his final stages to becoming pirate king, we will also see a parallel with buggy getting stronger to the point where he will be on par with shanks. Maybe he has power to gain haki or Conquerors but doesn't know it yet and we will see an epic battle between buggy and shanks where somehow Buggy is able to equally match shanks.

[midnight elbow]

That would ruin buggy’s character tho so I doubt it

[candid citrus]

Who is Binks

[midnight elbow]

I think Binks was on Nika’s crew

[forest rampart]

Are you guys done yet? @midnight elbow @inland cobalt
I have a very long theory that I want to drop now if that's okay with both of you

[midnight elbow]

Yeah go ahead lol

[forest rampart]

Sooo this is some random theories so I'm really sorry that it's so messy 😐

All my theory ideas here are not new but I didn't have much free time to finish every theory. So this time I've found a lazy way :rogerlaugh: to do it with the same support that I had years ago.

It's my headcanon that Imu is a woman and immortal (no support on the immortal part other than she seems to know more about Queen Lily and D people).

My theory is about some possibilities of what Imu could be based on mostly Japanese mythology and a bit of Chinese mythology. I just copy n paste directly from wiki followed by some explanation starting from here.

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Overview

"In later medieval times, ningyo (mermaid) was held to be a sign of ill omen, and its beaching was blamed for subsequent bloody battles or calamity."

• I can't remember if there's anything about mermaids and ill omen in the One Piece world. But I think that "its beaching was blamed for subsequent bloody battles or calamity" part is related with OP world war in the past and in the future too.

• I can't fit everything here but I have this idea that Poseidon was the actual ruler of the world in the past, of the Ancient Kingdom or Laugh Tale (you can read my previous theory on Laugh Tale Location for why I think both are in the same place).

• So mermaids, the current Poseidon, Shirahoshi, will take over/ rule the world again after the final world war. It can also be like there's truly no ruler of the world just like the symbolic meaning behind the empty throne.

• But even if the mermaids can rule the Di Nation again (more below), and Poseidon can rule the world again (only if the previous one ever ruled the world before though), I think that Shirahoshi will wear the giant straw hat (in Imu's chamber) instead of a crown and declare the world as free.

..

• Strawhat is usually worn by farmers, and fishermen. But the strawhat is perhaps seen as freedom and peace because of Luffy as how Luffy kept saving everyone around the world with his symbolic strawhat that has been passed down from generations to generations maybe.

"The description of the ningyo as having a red cockscomb or light red hair corroborates the hypothesis that oarfish sightings led to ningyo lore."

• Reminds of Imu's figure in which perhaps the crown is a part of her hair: red haired or light red hair

"..during premodern times, mermaid legend (priestess who ate the mermaid) is known to occur"

• Perhaps Imu ate a mermaid and she hated the fact..

• One of the other possibilities of how Imu is immortal is because she ate a mermaid (Most likely a mermaid cat, the sacred creature around Alabasta. Also because no one has tried to eat any mermaid/merman before other than the mermaid cat - Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji tried to catch it and to eat it).

Chinese literature

"Also, what the yōkai wood-block print illustrator Toriyama Sekien drew was not a Japanese ningyo but one dwelling in the far reaches of China west of a World tree. The caption adds that such ningyo (mermaids) was also known as the people of the Di Nation."

• The mention of Di Nation. Perhaps it is the original source for D people. Mermaids are hated by the entire OP world and are a valuable slave since they would sell at a high price at the Human Auction House.

• Imo, it would make sense if mermaids are a large part of D people (Di Nation) if not entirely.. means that mermaids have a bloodline that makes them sworn enemies to the celestial dragons.

• Also, if there's a World tree in the OP world, where would it be? At Marijoa? Or where?

..

Yao Bikuni

"One of the most famous folk stories involving ningyo (or rather the flesh of the human-fish / mermaids), purports that a girl who ate it acquired everlasting youth and longevity, and became the nun Yao Bikuni (八百比丘尼, "eight-hundred (years) Buddhist priestess") also read Happyaku Bikuni, living to the age of 800 years."

• Some people speculated that Imu's silhouette looks like a nun.

• Imu is a girl who ate mermaid and acquired everlasting youth and longevity, and became the nun, living to the age of 800 years.

Summary

"In the typical version the girl who ate the ningyo was from Obama, Wakasa Province, and as a nun dwelled in a iori grass hut on the mountain at Kūin-ji temple in the region. She traveled all over Japan in her life, but then she resolves to end her life in her home country, and sealed herself in a cave where she dwelled or has herself buried alive on the mountain at the temple, and requests a camellia tree be planted at the site as indicator of whether she still remains alive."

..

• Idk what does iori means but "iori grass hut on the mountain" reminds me of Imu's garden chamber, which is on the Red Line (mountain). I can't say much about the temple part but some speculated that Imu's buildings do look like a temple and especially resemble a big temple in France?.. I forgot where.. There's also some symbols that resembles Christian cross above each chamber inside of the big freezer of the giant straw hat.

"In a version passed down at Obama, Wakasa, the sixteen-year-old girl eats the ningyo inadvertently, after her father receives the prepared dish as a guest, so that the family is not implicated in knowingly eating the ningyo or butchering it. The Kūin-ji temple history claims the father to have been a rich man named Takahashi, descended from the founder of the province, and when the daughter turned 16, the dragon king appeared in the guise of a white-bearded man and gave her the flesh as a gift. But there are versions known all over Japan, and the father is often identified as a fisherman. A fisherman reeled in the ningyo but discarded it due to its strangeness, but the young daughter had picked it up and eaten it, according to one telling."

• Imu is probably looks like a sixteen-year-old girl but has lived for about 800 years.

• "The father is a descendent from the founder of the province." Idk how to relate this with the current WG system, Celestial dragons or even the 20 countries.. But it sounds like something important isn't it?

• "..when the daughter turned 16, the dragon king appeared in the guise of a white-bearded man and gave her the flesh as a gift." So when Imu turned 16 years old, a celestial dragon (dragon king) or some celestial dragon gifted her mermaid's flesh.

..

• That celestial dragon (dragon king) that appeared in the form of a white-bearded man is probably one of the Gorosei if not all of them. I don't really think much about this one but the image of a white-bearded man instantly reminds me of the Gorosei.

Time period

"The oldest written sources of the legend date from the 15th century, and one of these sources relate that the Shira Bikuni (白比丘尼, "white nun") appeared in Kyoto in the middle of that century (year 1449) at age 800."

• Imu's age is 800 years.
• She's a white nun.

Prince Shōtoku

"Prince Shōtoku also knew the ningyo to bring forth disaster according to the Denryaku, and an annotation provides that it was customary for fishermen at the time to release a ningyo if ever caught in the net."

• Poseidon pretty much can bring "forth disaster" by summoning the sea kings.

• "It was customary for fishermen at the time to release a ningyo if ever caught in the net."

• We can say that Foosha village or Windmill village is a fisherman island. Also, Johnny and Yosaku are now fishermen post-timeskip as seen in a cover story. And while Luffy is not a fisherman, he pretty much came from a fisherman village. So it's like Luffy was following fishermen customary by saving Shirahoshi and Ryugu's royal family.

Kamakura and Muromachi periods.
Omens in Michinoku.

"Mermaid appeared in Obama-no-tsu Obama Bay in Wakasa Province. It was considered "auspicious" (目出度（めでた）かり, medetakari) to the land, and was named Shinsen (真仙, 'True Immortal')."

"Mermaid appeared in Futami-ura, Ise Province. It seemed to bestow "longevity" (長久なるべし, chōkyū naru beshi), and was named Enmeiju (延命寿, 'Life-extended Lifespan')."

...

• Both folk stories suggested auspicious things and are related to immortality, longevity, and life-extended lifespan. Just that I guess..

Hakoiri musume

"After discovering that licking a mermaid imparts longevity, Heiji opens a mermaid-licking shop, gains great wealth, and decides to marry her. She grows out of her outer skin, metamorphosing into a full-fledged woman with both arms and legs. Heiji sells the mermaid's skin slough (nukegara) for profit."

• Again about mermaids can grant longevity but this time by licking it rather than eating it.

Another way to gain immortality.

"In Chinese mythology, a carving of a tree of life depicts a phoenix and a dragon; the dragon often represents immortality. A Taoist story tells of a tree that produces a peach of immortality every three thousand years, and anyone who eats the fruit receives immortality."

• Another possible way to gain immortality is by eating a peach of immortality (another mythology and only if exists in the OP world).

Another way to gain immortality:

• Eternal youth surgery with the help of Ope Ope no Mi.

• There's also some mythology about an elixir of life but I don't think we've heard such things in OP.

🐱🐱🐱🐱🐱🐱🐱🐱🐱🐱🐱🐱
That's all

[wintry peak]

what if... dragon is really a woman/Luffy's mom using Ivankov's power. and she just uses his husband's name (Monkey D. Dragon which is Garp's son) and she is Rock's daughter that's why the resemblance was closer to Rocks than Garp?

[inland cobalt]

I guess it’s possible but it’s important to remember a theory should answer more questions than it asks.

[serene nimbus]

The one correct theory will answer and connect everything in the void century

[forest rampart]

There's only you now @modest skiff Swrml n Shimon kidd's fan are not here so I hope you can read my theory whenever you're free and share your thoughts with me. Feel free to ping me anytime and I'll try to reply whenever I can

[serene nimbus]

And not even intentionally. u could start a theory about imus goals and powers. Should explain even why the grand line has a weird mag field

[serene nimbus]

Poneglyphs tell of ancient weapons and laugh tale. Ur right clover even suggested why would the ancient kingdom do this — to tell the future. Imu hates how the poneglyphs r scattered. Only the kozuki clan was able to read them for 800 years so the meaning was lost to the world. The kozuki clan does this for the future so someone can get to laugh tale and use the ancient weapons if needed. Imu getting to laugh tale is something that appears to be worst case scenario. Imu hates how lili scattered them but we know it was the ancient kingdom. The ancient kingdoms name is said to reveal the secret of the void century. Can postulate it’s the kingdom of D. and that joyboy was the sovereign. If that’s true it makes sense that Luffy is the second sovereign after shirahoshi , as the second coming of joyboy and inherits his will.

[forest rampart]

Oh yes. The name of AK is really important. But I'm bad at this and can't found any name that suit it. Maybe one day if I still care
Idk about the Kingdom of D. I did have some thoughts about it before but it was long ago n I forgot already. Also, I found that it's not like Luffy to rule a kingdom eventhough he could be inheriting the royal blood.

[serene nimbus]

Well the D stands for something

imo D. stands for devil/dreams. that the kingdom of dreams was a land filled with "devils" that could dream up devil fruits, which sounds like a strech but thats just bc i said it in only 1 sentence. there's a lot i wrote up and so many chapters i went through

[serene nimbus]

^

[round idol]

Hello chat

[wise glade]

I still hold the theory that choppers fruit is also more than meets the eye,

• the navy calls him a pet and theyre known to hide the identities of powerful fruit
• Plus with Vegapunk saying that fruits come from the imagination of people and it just feels off with him just having a human human fruit
• lastly God Oda keeps teasing stuff on the SBS, whenever people ask about his multiple forms

[slim seal]

Yea I agree, chopper's fruit has always been strange even from day 1. But at the same time I can see oda choosing not to pursue anything too much further with it because chopper's goal isn't really to be a combatant. Any time in a big fight (like wano) that he is spending in a fight with someone is time that he could have been giving people medical aid

[wise glade]

It'd be cool if its a god that has healing power that allows him to create the worlds best medicine but i can also see how bad that can be cause it cant be recreated

[inland cobalt]

I’d argue the 2nd point is totally logical when we consider the difference races in OP and the widespread racism.

[slim seal]

yea for sure i think the most appropriate power up he could possibly get would be some kind of healing power (not sure how his fruit would do that tho)

that would put him more in line with some other higher tier healers like marco with his phoenix power

[hybrid furnace]

Imu and rocks could have the awakened version of the dark fruit

[slim seal]

is rocks still around?

[hybrid furnace]

i dont know

he could’ve faked his death in God Valley

[plucky ocean]

No, there's no way he could still be Alive

[slim seal]

wouldnt he just be around garp's age if he was alive

[hybrid furnace]

idk

[forest rampart]

What is D hm like..
Devil, akuma

• many such words have been used a few times in the series
  Dreams, yume

• Gol D. Roger words in Dragon's introduction chp at Loguetown about Dream, time etc.

• Blackbeard's words about "People's dream will never die!"
  or maybee
  Drum, doramu (I think), Drums of liberation

• Luffy, Nika, and Drums of liberation

• Any devil kingdom yet?

• Dream island : Nakrowa
  while Jaya is an island full of people that don't have any dream even refusing to believe in the One Piece and sky island, Skypiea

• Drum island or Drum kingdom, Chopper's hometown island. Doramu-tō (Drum island in japanese).
  But now known as Sakura kingdom

[hybrid furnace]

Pretty good theory ✅

[serene nimbus]

i think its devil, but dreams r a big thing. vegapunk and oda in 2018 even said devil fruits r like the next stage in human evolution to obtaining a dream. think the people of devils dreamed them into existence, and thats a big part of will of D. to will dreams into reality. dream island could be what the ancient kingdom was and home to the people of the devils.

[wet perch]

Wonder if D can be Djinn instead of devil

[slim seal]

calling them 'devil' fruits could be a remnant of some past animosity towards their origin

[serene nimbus]

it also makes sense D. stands for devils. what is the enemy of God bibilically? the devil. The people of D. are the enemies of the Gods and Imu is the God of the Gods

[slim seal]

maybe they were used by the D's in the war 800 years ago, so the nobles on the other side of it took to calling them devil fruits because they turned people into devilish creatures

[serene nimbus]

one piece also has this theme of showing us that the good guys arent the good guys. everything isnt what it seems on surface. The marines, protectors of justice, really are the bad guys. It is some groups of pirates that are actually morally good. The Gods who are supposed to be benevolent are the worst of them all. Have slaves, murders, etc. But it is actually the Devils that are the good guys. Its funny that the "gods" are more demonic and devilish than the actual devils

[serene nimbus]

it could have been initially Dreams and then switched to Devils over time and then forgotten after the void cenutry

[dusty hill]

Not true most pirates aren't good people

[forest rampart]

I agree. Dream sounds better than Devils. Anyone would be afraid of devils so it makes no sense if it's something like a Devil kingdom.. in which it's no wonder that the Ancient Kingdom's enemy, the 20 kingdoms, destroyed the Ancient Kingdom then.
If it's Dream, maybe it's like what Blackbeard said "People's dream will never die". Like that the AK that is considered dead will be revived, alive again, since people would never stop dreaming. Something like that.

[serene nimbus]

yes i said "some groups of pirates". and it is clear that the marines are not actually the protectors of justice.

[serene nimbus]

i like what @slim seal said about how it could have been changed and 'devil' was just given by others prob imu and the 'gods' that won

[forest rampart]

Yep. I agree

[serene nimbus]

from 2018 interview Oda says this. this basically confirms Vegapunk's theory as fact and imo makes it even more likely that certain people can dream up devil fruits

[slim seal]

yea my thinking was just that thats what people would call the fruits at first sight. People fear what they dont understand, and even most people in paradise who arent aware of devil fruits have that kind of reaction to them

[serene nimbus]

imo i think luffy will dream up a devil fruit by EOS

that the one piece is a DF waiting for the right dreamer and right individual. every other devil fruit has existed at least once in history and has multiple users. this devil fruit that luffy will dream up has never existed before

[forest rampart]

So "Turning the world upside down" is really about EVERYTHING now eh? I mean I can see something now.

Whitebeard last words. It's not exact and I don't have the panel but it's something like "The day will come. Someone will find it (the One Piece). And will turn the world upside down. Sengoku, you and your people are just afraid of the incoming big war that will turn the world upside down."

[serene nimbus]

yeah i think so. i really believe its all connected. the one piece, will of D, imu, ancient kingdom, why imu won, noah, ancient wapons, everything in the void century

[slim seal]

its gotta be, i believe in (G)Oda

[solemn briar]

I was thinking it is copper gaban

[pearl kestrel]

aokiji is secretly a sword member, after the fight with akainu was the perfect moment for them to make this deal. akainu is the only one who knows about this

[slim seal]

if hes not a sword member hes definitely atleast got ulterior motives

the way Garp tells him not to waver kinda hints at it tho right? Like he's telling him to commit to the act hes doing and fight him seriously as a pirate. Wouldnt surprise me if they are working together in some capacity under the WG's noses

[subtle jungle]

Perhaps sword didn’t involve Garp cause he cannot keep a secret.

[somber sage]

Luffy might have rubber powers 🥶

[desert quest]

Okay, so, I think that due to the interaction of ace and bb, bb has some serious regrets in life, as he believes it to be impossible to live a life without regret, and I think that when we learn more about bb, one of the crews main themes will be regret. Bb has been shown to have been an incredibly inconsistent character in terms of his personality, sometimes he’s scared, sometimes he’s angry, and sometimes he’s over confident. I think that this is a form of mpd. Blackbeard is one of the most unique characters in one piece, and to match that, I predict he’ll have a unique backstory. In one piece, a lot of characters that have sad backstories are written in a way where the bad stuff happens to them and they can’t do anything about it, think law, or sanji, and we’ve never really seen a character with a backstory that is sad because of their own actions, and that’s what I think will make bb different. I think that bb’s backstory will involve him having done something that was so traumatizing to himself that it caused him to develop mpd and be extradited from everyone else, causing him to be alone. Maybe it could go something like this:

When bb was younger, he hung around a bad group of people, like thieves, nothing too insane, just a couple of delinquents like Sabo and ace, but one night, while they were robbing a house, they accidentally bit off more than they could chew, and they were going to get caught by the owners of the house, so in an act of fear, Blackbeard kills the owners of the house. It could be too dark to see who they were, but when the lights are turned on, Blackbeard and his friends see that it was Blackbeards parents that he had killed. Causing him to develop mpd, severe trauma, and causing law enforcement to chase him and his friends to abandon him, which would explain why he was alone

[feral pike]

Garp died?

[gaunt briar]

Huh

[serene nimbus]

DID is the correct medical term and it doesnt work like that. those personalities develop usually because of sexual or other severe abuse as a child. not from just one event. that's more so PTSD. dissociating is a way of escaping reality and it happens to the most extreme level when those abusive events occur, so "personalities" develop. its a protective mechanism. It wouldn't explain blackbeard at all because these aren't different people living in one body. MPD is an outdated term because of that. its a way to cope with reality, and he would dissociate on a regular basis not just after the yami yami no mi is discovered. if anything blackbeard has ASPD

i would really hate for blackbeard to just be reduced to some terrible and poor representation of a serious mental health illness, as he is a complex character with clear dreams and values. it would make me hate one piece.

[desert quest]

I apologize, I did not know the correct term, but DID is usually developed by the brain as a coping mechanism to deal with trauma such as abuse, like you said, but it’s not just exclusive to those things, also, in this idea, Blackbeard would represent regrets, not DID. Also, I looked it up, and DID was formally known as MPD. I apologize for not knowing the proper name for DID, but to be fair, I don’t think op is about representation to start. It’s simply a story, if it was about representation, I don’t think the inhabitants of okama island would be represented in such a way to start. I mean no harm in my theory, but to say that it’s simply a poor representation of something is demeaning. Bb is a complex character, and the purpose of this theory isn’t to give explanation for why he acts the way he does, it’s to explain why I think that regret might be what drives him and maybe even his crew

[serene nimbus]

i think you just misunderstand MPD/DID and dissociations in general then. him being happy, scared, angry, overconfident is not due to the materialization of different personalities from regret. him just showing different emotions is not him dissociating. i can say it is a poor representation because i dissociate on a regular basis and i would be offended if oda did that

[desert quest]

Dude I’m gay and I’m generally not unhappy. I enjoy the story, it’s fiction, and we already come into this understanding that it’s not meant to be realistic, and things won’t work the same in op as they do in real life.

I didn’t mean to offend you, I was just having fun with ideas

[serene nimbus]

ur good. I just wanted to clarify bc it’s commonly misunderstood and I prob got too personal w ur idea

[summer adder]

hi people whats u guys fav chracter?

[flat otter]

Crossguild save garp cause they can't afford 3 billions

[fervent trench]

Koby's life has been greatly influenced by "Hachinosu Island" in several ways.

1. He earned the title of "hero" after his involvement in the Rocky Port incident.
2. He was once held captive by the Blackbeard Pirates on the same island.
3. He has emerged as a pivotal figure in the recent incidents occurring on Hachinosu.

• Given these circumstances, it is highly likely that Koby will acquire a "devil fruit" power on Hachinosu before the conclusion of the arc.

??Your thoughts??

[maiden delta]

uhm devil fruits are over rated now tbh, pure haki is the new thing. plus it wouldn't make sense that against a crew that relies on dfs that is going up againt pure haki monster that is garp, koby would go the df path

he'd probablt follow the garp path of hard work and training. Another thing is that this is what is being hinted at rn. That dfs are useless without haki and your own strength

[fervent trench]

I find your perspective intriguing. However, my theory based on that Koby has a strong chance of assuming the positions of both - Garp's trusted protege and an Admiral, effectively replacing Kuzan.
Similar to Kuzan, who possesses both a Devil Fruit power and Haki, I believe Koby will also acquire both abilities.

[maiden delta]

yeah maybe, but garp is easily admiral level with haki alone so it is clear you do not need df to become and admiral

[slender fulcrum]

Tbh I fail to see how theses events will make him acquire a devil fruit, can you detail your thought a bit more?

[fervent trench]

@maiden delta Koby will require a time leap of 1-2 years to reach Garp's level of mastery in Haki. However, given the rapidly escalating events in the current One Piece world and the high stakes involved, it seems unlikely that there will be sufficient time for such a time jump before the final war.
In order to become stronger before the ultimate battle, it may be necessary for Koby to acquire a devil fruit, as it would significantly speed up his growth.

[slender fulcrum]

I may agree, however I'm not sure time and power are correlated in the manga, we've seen character growth in power in a short span of event

[vital fable]

A timeskip isn't unlikely. Remember that there was a one year gap between Roger reaching Laugh Tale and getting executed.

We might see it repeat between finding the One Piece and the Final War to topple the Celestial Dragons. If nothing else, so that Koby and Momo get to level up.

[fervent trench]

@slender fulcrum The Blackbeard pirates are actively searching for devil fruits, so it's possible they have one on the island that Koby could acquire. Alternatively, there is a chance that a devil fruit user will perish in the battle, and Koby could obtain their fruit.
(I'm considering not only those currently present on the island but also potential individuals who will potentially join the Hachinosu battle in future.)

• In my opinion, the most probable scenario is that Koby will acquire Moria's fruit. This is because I don't believe Moria's character has a significant role to play in the endgame of the story. Obtaining Moria's fruit would be the only way for him to maintain relevance in the overall narrative.

[fervent trench]

Yes, I think that's possible. Intresting 🤔

[forest rampart]

Has anyone read my theories yet? Mind to share your thoughts?

[strange hound]

I would like to read them...mind pointing them out

[forest rampart]

@strange hound This one. And thank youu

[strange hound]

Don't need to be all formal.. let's see what we got