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[acoustic tundra]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medjed

[mental eagle]

sounds way too vague to deserve those reactions and all this secrecy

[gleaming crest]

i dont think so

you can interpret it literally and get the reaction from usopp and chopper, or metaphorically and understand why nami, franky, jimbei, robin react the way they do. also, shanks was moved to tears from hearing it, which fits as well cos he would recognize it as something Roger would say (and has said to Rayleigh). it also fits to the "as the pirate king i would have a shot"

or well, I do get your point about the secrecy. the "big party" is just too lame considering jinbei calls him a "troublesome captain" and why would shanks be moved by that

[mental eagle]

there is absolutely no way usopp would interpret that literally

[gleaming crest]

ok, he's still a coward and would say it's impossible if he considers what they're up against. sanji would also ask someone to have luffy's head checked

[mental eagle]

it's still way too vague

[minor badge]

It is precisely because Roger has already mentioned this to Rayleigh that I believe it is not turning the world upside down. Why else would Oda continuously censor it again and again?

[gleaming crest]

i still think it's way more likely and fitting than the moon or "the biggest party"

luffy wouldnt consider that going to the moon is even a thing, not as a kid nor as an adult. the biggest party doesn't fit the reactions. it's going to be in some form the dream that results in destroying the current world order and have everyone be able to do whatever they want

[minor badge]

Also I think it has to be something that evokes more laughter and shows childishness than just interpreting that literally. Why would Shanks or Whitebeard interpret it literally or believe Roger would be unable to turn the world upside down?

[gleaming crest]

which is also why Shanks would be touched because that's the path Luffy is already on since eating the Gomu-Gomu-No-Mi

[gleaming crest]

obviously they would consider it metaphorically, what? they would definitely understand it as starting a new age and fix whatever's fucked up in the current world order

[mental eagle]

it doesn't mean anything in practicality on its own

[minor badge]

Yup, turning the world upside down and starting a new age and fixing whatever's fucked up in the current world order is not childish... Why would Whitebeard laugh and call Roger a "little boy" for saying that?

[gleaming crest]

because it's a massive, naive dream for one man

[minor badge]

In any case, it is still too vague to mean anything and I don't think Oda would make it something that was already explicitly mentioned by Roger himself.

[gleaming crest]

just watch, it definitely wont be anything like "lmao we'll have a party and i'll eat so much meat". it's going to be something significant and impactful for the world and the "little people". and something the world govt would get mad at, hence "troublesome"

even as a kid luffy saw enough injustice to want to be a hero or to change things for the better

[mental eagle]

aside from the fact that a massive party can still have significance if it implies that people of the whole world participate in it as equals, the problem here isn't about how impactful "turning the world upside down" would be in practice, but that it's unclear what it would even be

[gleaming crest]

the well-versed people like shanks and robin etc would understand it as ending the reign of the world nobles

[mental eagle]

kid luffy absolutely did not know politics

[rotund pine]

i think his dream is about toppling the world goverments

[lime mason]

it has to be something luffy as a kid would say...but I don't think it's a big party

[rotund pine]

he wants to be free and others to be free

[minor badge]

I feel like no matter what Luffy is going to take down the world government lol that has been set up since the beginning he isnt gonna do that simply because it was his dream when he was a child. He is part of the D clan, a natural enemy of the Gods, or celestial dragons. He ordered Usopp to shoot down the WG flag at enies lobby. etc.

[gleaming crest]

what's your idea then daru?

[steady prism]

I have the exact same idea and I completely agree with everything you said . It would make sense that the Roger Pirates laughed at Laugh Tale because they saw that Joyboy had the same ridiculous dream Roger had. However, I think Joyboy’s message doesn’t have the “complete” details on how to accomplish their shared dream because he was never able to see it through due to the Ancient Kingdom collapsing. For this reason, I think Luffy will be able to see it through himself and thus achieve his dream, Joyboy’s dream, and Roger’s dream at the end of the series.

[gleaming crest]

kid luffy would definitely say shit like "just watch! i'll turn the world upside down with my adventure!", without having deeper thought to it, being the little brother of ace and sabo who have their own ambitions

[mental eagle]

my bet's still on something along the line of "i'll create a world where everyone is a pirate"
it may sound dumb or cool (but still in a childish way) depending on who hears it but it also has deeper meaning if you use luffy's interpretation of "pirate" as "free"

[gleaming crest]

that's pretty much the same thing at the end as what i said, same results. i just like the idea of luffy saying literally the same thing as roger has said at the start of his adventure

[mental eagle]

it might be the same or it might be different, i understand how you'd interpret "turning the world upside down" but the problem with that is literally that it could mean many more different things
i get that roger said that to rayleigh, but his dream (supposedly the same as luffy's), which he told whitebeard and oden, was hidden to us readers
what would be the point of hiding it if it was something we'd already heard from him?

[gleaming crest]

i dont think that phrase is what roger has said later on to other people. i think he would've elaborated more

[mental eagle]

yeah but those are the same words as luffy's, as testified by both shanks and yamato, who has read oden's diary

[gleaming crest]

can you point me to the part where they confirm luffy said word for word what roger's dream was, to oden/whitebeard/whoever other than rayleigh

because i dont think luffy said his dream to yamato? that'd downplay this last chapter's scene a lot

[mental eagle]

ace told yamato luffy's dream

[gleaming crest]

i gotta find that page

[minor badge]

Well for one, the paneling is the exact same, it cuts off exactly the same way, the reactions are similar and Shanks said in chapter 506 "Master Rayleigh... There was a kid who said the same things as captain Roger."

[gleaming crest]

i dont see it in chapter 999 where they talk about luffy. EDIT: ah, it's in 1000

[mental eagle]

ye

[gleaming crest]

anyway. going to space or "the biggest party" is not going to be the thing lol. can't be sure on the wording but it's going to be changing the world order

[mental eagle]

https://youtu.be/pxF0qWWTpXs anime even goes the extra mile to convey the resemblance here but ig it doesn't really count for anything, just a really pretty scene

[pure raven]

changing the world order does not sound like a dream that a child would come with. how would have kid luffy phrased it?

[gleaming crest]

"turn the world upside down"

earlier i also had the idea that luffy could want to bury a treasure of his own, for everyone to go look for, but i dont think it's something roger would have planned ahead of time before reaching laugh tale

[ornate ridge]

It would be funny if luffy's dream turned out to be completely evil. Like having all the food in the world lol

[primal cargo]

Hi everyone. On this fine day I will share with you what I think is the outline of the events of the Void Century and what they mean.

Let's start with what we know from Ohara.

The enormous kingdom

The archeologists of Ohara discovered that during the 100 years of blank history, there existed an "enormous kingdom". From this information and the fact that its history was told in the Poneglyph, they deduced that the kingdom must have been destroyed near the end of the century, and that the ones who tried to erase it from history must have been the World Government.
Considering that 20 kingdoms had to band together in order to fight the enormous kingdom, and that only after defeating it were they able to create the World Government, it's quite reasonable to assume that the enormous kingdom was dominating the world until it was destroyed.
Still it was defeated, and thanks to that the 20 kingdoms' alliance was able to take control of the world, founding the World Government. And, for some reason, they felt the need to go further and erase all traces of the kingdom's existence from history.
According to Professor Clover, this could be because they were wary not just of the kingdom itself but also of "its ideas".

Joyboy

Joyboy was a man who was active near the end of the Void Century. It is almost certain that he had the powers of Nika and thus represented the figure of the "warrior of liberation".
Joyboy was, therefore, a liberator ; a freer of slaves. Similarly to Luffy, he probably visited a number of places where people were oppressed, and freed them by fighting whoever was the oppressor.
Liberated people could include the fishfolk, the minks, Shandora, Wano. These people would all become Joyboy's friends, and side with him when the time would come.
Now who were the tyrants that Joyboy fought against ? As his time was before the creation of the World Government, it couldn't have been them.
Rather, it was the era of the enormous kingdom. Therefore, I actually think most or all of the oppressors that Joyboy fought belonged to it.

With all of the above in consideration, what was the enormous kingdom ?
I believe it was the Pirate Kingdom, spanning over all the seas of the world.

I do not think the kingdom had any land (though I'm sure some pirates did control some land). It's more of a state that the world was in. Starting 900 years ago, there was a 100-years long Great Age of Piracy.
Concretely, this meant anyone was free to take to the seas and do whatever they wanted. Countries and governments existed, of course, but none of them had jurisdiction on the sea.
And there was no Navy to go after pirates. As long as you were on the sea, you were free. That was the Pirate Kingdom.
What fundamentally changed with the creation of the World Government was the fact that law would now apply on the sea. The Navy was created for the purpose of enforcing that by fighting pirates, i.e the people who won't obey this rule. Which is still what it does today.

On a philosophical level, this was an age of absolute freedom. The desire for freedom is what defines a pirate in this world.
I don't need to tell you that neither "freedom" or "pirates" is good or bad in principle. There were, obviously, "good" pirates and "bad" pirates. And there's no telling that the world under the Pirate Kingdom was better or happier than the current one.
In fact, I think that in Joyboy's time, the world was in a terrible state.

What I haven't mentioned yet about the Pirate Kingdom is that, of course, it must have had a Pirate King. The Pirate King is the one who reigns over the seas of the world.
We all know Luffy's philosophy : the Pirate King doesn't need to control anything, he's just the Pirate King, the freest man on the sea.
But not every pirate thinks the same. If Blackbeard was to become the Pirate King, you can imagine he would very much wield his power to control the world.
Where Luffy's conception of the Pirate King is "the freest man on the sea", to Blackbeard's it is "the king of the world".
I believe that in Joyboy's time, around 800 years ago, the Pirate Kingdom was ruled by an evil Pirate King. He was the one terrorising the world to the point that kingdoms had to ally against him.

You're familiar with the classic One Piece dynamic of "Good pirate" - "Evil pirate" - "Navy / Government", which we all expect to see play out in the eventual final war.
In the Alabasta arc, Luffy defeated the evil pirate Crocodile to free the country from him ; however the Navy took the credit for this victory, and the Strawhats' battle was never told in history.
Well things were exactly the same 800 years ago.
I believe that Joyboy, a pirate, fought and defeated the evil Pirate King. He probably became the Pirate King himself. However, like Luffy, he had no intention of ruling anything.
The 20 kingdoms' alliance simply took advantage of Joyboy's victory to claim the power that he didn't want.

Now what I think happened afterwards is, the "victorious" 20 kings wanted to never again see the world harmed by pirates like the evil Pirate King.
So, despite the fact that Joyboy was the one who won the fight for them, they decided to put an end to piracy altogether. They decided that stability in the world was more important than the ideal of freedom.
It's possible they even arrested and executed Joyboy for being a pirate.
The World Government created the Navy to make sure pirates wouldn't run free ever again. But they also realised that even if the Pirate Kingdom didn't exist anymore, people would always keep yearning for freedom, as long as the idea of it existed.
That is the reason why the World Government chose to erase the very idea of the Pirate Kingdom from history.
The Pirate Kingdom had existed for a whole century, and it had probably deeply marked the history of every country in the world ; so they erased the whole 100 years of history.

You know the rest : many people, most notably Joyboy and his allies, couldn't let this happen ; so they came up with the Poneglyph, a plan to safeguard the most important elements of their history.
The Nefertari ruler of the Kingdom of Alabasta did not agree with the other kings' decision, so they got involved with the plan as well. That is why they were guarding a Poneglyph stone despite being a founding member of the World Government.
This determination to remember the past was passed all the way down to the present day's King Nefertari Cobra.

Since the history was forgotten, the other 19 royal families decided they might as well start calling themselves gods. And since there was no history to learn from, they slowly but surely turned into the tyrants that they had originally been fighting.
Now they are the ones who are bound to be overthrown by a pirate who bears Joyboy's legacy.
I believe Blackbeard is preparing to take advantage of the chaos to claim the throne of king of the world. After all, every single thing he's done so far was to increase his strength, as if preparing for a battle that he knows will happen.
His success would mean repeating the events of 800 years ago, only in reverse, going from World Government to evil Pirate King.

Final point : Joyboy's promise.
The fishfolk and merfolk, being targets of racial discrimination, had been forced from long ago to live at the bottom of the sea.
Joyboy promised the mermaid princess of his time that he would make it possible for her (and her people) to come live on the surface. He thought that by beating all the evil pirates and becoming the Pirate King, he would be able to make that a reality.
While he did succeed in beating the bad guys, it wasn't enough to make that promise a reality.
The World Government didn't do anything to help, and instead maintained and even participated in the discrimination. Thus, despite all his strength, Joyboy couldn't fulfill his promise.
In the present, too, while Luffy used force to kick Kaido out of Wano, he didn't do anything to change the people ; they just returned to their old ways and you can easily tell how prejudice will make its return.
To fulfill his own promise, Luffy may have to change people's hearts somehow. Maybe that's the role of the people around Luffy. Momonosuke is "the one who guides the world to its dawn". Maybe that's what it means ?

[gleaming crest]

I think Momo's role is to release Pluton at the right time, thus guide the world to its dawn

[serene flare]

I think people are thinking too hard about why blackbeard wants boa's fruit. The fruit works off of strong emotions so it's a guaranteed way for blackbeard to defeat luffy

[merry rune]

BB doesnt care about luffy. BB has no personal hatred towards luffy he wouldnt be making his entire plan against him

[ornate ridge]

I think you're on to something, however you failed to mention the Lunarian race the original "gods" of the world, and their role in the void century. It is obviously not a small one.

not to mention the role of the 3 ancient weapons so I would take what is yours and add a bit of ideas floating in my head, maybe we can come up with a complete theory then

The first idea is instead of the pirate kingdom, I think the one ruling over was the Lunarian kingdom, supported by the fact that the lunarian race obviously know about JoyBoy and his goals, we know that because of king.

Like you said, the most likely case is that the original 20 kingdoms rose in revolution to overthrow the Lunarian rule.

Obviously in that time, piracy was rampant, and like present day in One Piece, most pirates are not good people, therefore the look towards pirates was bias and unfavourable. One such pirate is Nika, who fought repeatedly against this ancient kingdom and brought liberation to many slaves. Of these slaves are of course the fishmen, and the mermaid princess.

The most likely case that happened is that the 20 kingdoms created Uranus to fight against the Lunarian Kingdom and its powerful weapon Pluton

while JoyBoy and Poseidon where a third party to this war. Like you said, the 20 kingdoms most likely dealt huge damage but it was not enough

Joyboy and Poseidon were the one who dealt the final blow. Here the most likely thing that happened for the betrayal is that 19 of the 20 kingdoms decided to enact absolute justice and enact a genocide against all the Lunarian race, however JoyBoy refused obviously and this sparked another conflict between remnants of the ancient kingdom, allies of JoyBoy Wano, the Fishmen, Elbaf etc...

This caused the promise you mentioned between Joboy and Poseidon to bring her people to the sun unfulfilled and the likely case of the apology. The Nefertari family here probably stayed neutral and did not actively participate in the hunt against JoyBoy.

The allies of JoyBoy later were defeated by a scheme that resulted in the death of Poseidon most likely, and thus lost their weapon against the world government

JoyBoy in his last attempt against the world goverment created the poneglyphs, recreated Pluton and hid it in Wano under water, and his tale on Laugh Tale.

The government in their absolute justice mentality hunted everything related to the Lunarian and to JoyBoy.

The Devil Fruits somehow carry the wills of these people of 800 years ago and their powers perhaps. While Luffy carries the will of JoyBoy, Black Beard carries the will of the revengeful spirit of the Lunarians

This is more FanFiction than theory. I understand lol

Oh yes. The Lunarian came from the moon as colonizers of course

[grim lotus]

Uranus isn’t a being it’s a sun

[analog crypt]

??? Uranus is a planet, if we're talking about irl solar system

[cerulean trout]

I was thinking some thing like a Magnifying glass that focusses the light of the sun

[grizzled fox]

Okay, there might be some kind of correlation between God Valley and Imu's devil fruit powers now that I think about it.

We know God Valley disappeared without a trace, and there's nothing left of the latest chapter's island. These two islands have to be the same occurrence happening again.

[weak arrow]

@west summit feel free to talk about that in #film-red instead of this channel, even if this is the theories channel.!

[west summit]

Okay Mr adam

[serene flare]

Hatred means nothing, luffy is one of the only people to contest him in becoming pirate king

[shadow dove]

Vegapunk has futurefuture fruit

[low swallow]

Vegapunk lived so long by transferring his consciousness through bodies.
That's why he already had the skills to transform Kuma as such.
Punk 02 indicates this is the third body, after his original and Punk 01

Not a theory, just a feeling

[tender berry]

I think its just like oden and yamato thingy
The girl wants to act like Dr.vegapunk

You never know but i think so

[boreal scaffold]

what vegapunk
It's an Android.

It's controlled remotely by the real Vegapunk.

Vegapunk used his genius to create a new body for himself, in this case a cute girl.

Vegapunk really is a girl.

The Vegapunk the marine know about is just a robot controlled by the real one (in this case the girl)

Something else

someone make this a poll

[void venture]

potentially she is a blood relative of the Dr Vegapunk and is still a doctor in her own right... which would also make her doctor vegapunk. But admittedly when she refers to herself as THE genius of the military it points more towards her being THE dr Vegapunk. Maybe its a family thing?

I get the impression vegapunk is related to Franky. The minute I saw the designation of the Punk Force-01, I was thinking of Franky. That and giant robot that I initially thought was submarine Iron Pirate. Anyways, I'm saying Franky Arc and I'm loving it

[primal cargo]

Yeah for my post I've stuck to things that I can confidently back up with arguments/evidence
I don't have anything solid to insert the lunarians into the theory right now, same for the Ancient Weapons, Im, etc.
I don't think any of that takes away from the theory though. I've only described the overall dynamics of the Void Century, not the detailed events that happened. So all the missing pieces can still be added in.

[novel scroll]

PUNK 02, probably a clone.

[drowsy cedar]

clearly she is sanji's mother

[west summit]

About gear 5, Luffy said it's when he feel the most free, so how is he going to that mode? Feeling free?

[barren orchid]

i think he was referring to the combat flexibilities; like turning into a giant, making ground rubber, etc.

[vivid bough]

She looks like Uta

[west summit]

Unlike other gear, we haven't seen him activate gear 5 on his own will. Be pretty interesting to see how he transforms. And did the crew knew Luffy able to go to gear 5?

[vivid bough]

He's free from everything. He's free from physical laws too. Like American Toons

[west summit]

I know that, but how is he going to transform? Gear 4 is done by blowing his muscle, how about gear 5?

[barren orchid]

yeah, the logic behind gear 5 isnt clear yet i guess

[west summit]

For the longest time I thought gear 5 would have something to do with his skin

[barren orchid]

oda could just call it awakening and leave it there

[hearty igloo]

Gear 5 is white, blowing might do it aswell

[dim drum]

I think his Vegapunk's body is probably a replacement after their original/old one died and Vegapunk transplanted their conscience into a genetically engineered super body.

Either that or Vegapunk is a hive mind now and controls stand ins consciously from a lair the egg.

[whole needle]

this happens when the consciousness of the devil fruit takes over the body , when the person’s consciousness cant handle the body. similar to the kyubi transformation in naruto

[tender yarrow]

Vegapunks original body might have gotten damaged during the evacuation of punk hazard and might stream his consciousness to different body’s now. The current person claiming to be vegapunk has a antenna over they’re left ear but not the right

[whole needle]

because some zoans , in this case hito hito no mi model nika , has a mind of its own . so yea makes sense if the consciousness of the devil fruit takes over would be a plausible answer for the gear 5 transformation

[gleaming crest]

wouldnt make sense for luffy to describe himself "completely free" in gear 5 if it's the devil fruit's consciousness

[raw fjord]

He has to make his heart beat in the rhythm of the drum s of liberation

[pure raven]

i dont think they control the person that eats them i think their will is only meant to choose someone that has the same aspirations as the fruit, which is why it chose luffy. I dont think luffy is being controlled by the fruit or anything like that

[gleaming crest]

yep, it's not like "joyboy" is taking over

man, i can't wait to hear what they'll make gear 5 sound like in the anime. the heartbeat, will it come with a new music track

[rose vale]

Imo prob a daughter of Vega punk

[opal ivy]

i dont know why, but I always had the feeling vegapunk is gonna be a woman ^^

[hard knoll]

cause of the 02 i'm just skeptical, wouldn't be far fetched for a 500 year ahead prodigy to remote control bodies

[green vale]

Vegapunks face looks a bit like uta from film red imo but I don't reckon that's really it

The hair is really different though

[green vale]

The 02 could be a suit number

[hard knoll]

could be, but the manga gave us a hint that Punk 02 was speaking in an old voice or elderly voice

[green vale]

It's possible it's just an accent from some old guy on vegapunks home island

[flat crane]

Maybe an apprentice or daughter?

[hard knoll]

yeah could be like a Yamato situation, "I'm Vegapunk" - said Vegapunk's daughter

[flat crane]

Vegapunk is a last name right?

[hard knoll]

we actually don't know

[flat crane]

Its hIM

[modest skiff]

This is my first thought. She might also be dr vegapunk.

[flat crane]

Id say nah since the Marines keep referring Vegapunk as that old man, but who knows, maybe thats what theyve been told, or like some people said, he went past ethics again and possessed a younger body

[green vale]

The woman doesn't appear to be old enough to be vegapunk as they were originally cause he made a copy of kaidos fruit 20+ years ago which I reckon is older than the body in the chapter

[flat crane]

Cant really say much until we at least get into Vegapunk's personality

[modest skiff]

Well I’m saying vegapunk has a daughter who is also a phd and so she is also technically “dr vegapunk”. But you are right that we are pretty clearly told vegapunk is a man. So I don’t think this woman is the person who we were told stories about

There are a lot of possibilities, hard to say for sure of course

[green vale]

I don't believe in the "being controlled by the real vegapunk" as all of the new and old pacifists appear to have no emotion or expression(other than px-0)

I really can't wait for somebody to cook up a vega-mum theory claiming there luffys mum

[flat crane]

That reminds me, Chopper isnt a Dr. He doesnt have a PhD, nor a medical license. Not really relevant, just a funny thought

[weak wadi]

The vegapunk we see this chapter must be a robot or part of an ai lifeform. We've seen vegapunk is a man in previous reveals and this one has an antenna and a 02 on her body. Also the speech is not how a young woman would talk.

[cerulean coyote]

There was this guy called Hippocrates...

[quasi fractal]

she has uta jacket

[flat crane]

Ah, ignore the went past ethics part, according to the wiki, from what has been revealed, he's actually a pretty decent guy. If so, wouldnt be out of place for him to either have a daughter or adopt her

[sweet cedar]

Does vegapunk have a devil fruit? I wonder if oda is willing to give him a devil fruit

[arctic stream]

There were 5 boxes with name and title of the regarding marine. But there is none for Dr. Vegapunk. This can’t be unintentional by Oda.

[pseudo gorge]

Since vegapunk understands that diversity is better for development he split himself into many people, all of which call themselves vegapunk. Boom. Truth bombs dropped

[weak lava]

Clones

[flat crane]

Vegapunk clone of each humanoid race

[tidal scarab]

Why would vegapunk have 02 on her shirt.
Clearly she isnt the real vegapunk

[flat crane]

Human, giant, fishmen, longarm, longleg, longarmleg tribe. Heck, put in Vegapunk Lunarian

[pure raven]

This right here is foreshadowing

[gleaming coyote]

That’s the hypeeee waiting for him to do it again

[pure raven]

Im wondering why jinbe dried his clothes thou cause we seen him come out of the water without doing that before

[cold grove]

To not be the odd one out and be a part of the group

[weak lava]

It’s cold, he will die.

[pure raven]

Wait…isn’t a fish though so that should be a problem if the water is cold, I think it’s not freezing cold thou

[weak lava]

It’s not just the water that’s cold.

They’re on a winter island, he could freeze to death.

[pure raven]

I just realize the snow flakes

[elder fox]

So is that a robot Vega punk stand in?

[modest skiff]

Comments like this are good for #manga but not what we are going for in this channel, per the channel description

Also Salmy I’m excited to read your theory in detail when I get home and can respond properly

[primal cargo]

Isn't that an argument in favor of the remote controlled android ? A robot with artificial personality wouldn't show emotion, but a robot controlled by a human could

[modest skiff]

It could be an extension of the snails applied to robots

[primal cargo]

My personal first thought was that Vegapunk had augmented/replaced his body with one that's younger and hotter

[modest skiff]

That was one thing I was considering too, based on my theory of Kuma being alive by using his bounce power to do body swap similar to Law

[craggy charm]

I don't think we're gonna see tashgi or the kids this are g14 appears to be on a different island from egg head

[unborn orbit]

Vegapunk 02 is def a clone. if there a male vegapunk i dont think he would get a daughter to take his place. Bonnie is there to ask to fix kuma or fight vegapunk. Old man vegapunk is either dead or somewhere else

[jagged lynx]

I think the man marked by flames is aokiji kinda fits

[slender pagoda]

02 gives possibility to other models. Either the original is 01 or just an old man trying to upload his mind to achieve that kind of immortality

[mental mulch]

Thank you, I will read the rules carefully

[left falcon]

this is what I am thinking too

[desert drum]

"perhaps overriding primal desires is simply Impossible" is that what happened to kuma? Or rather what didnt...

[iron current]

it could have a lot of implications, depending how the Seraphims are made, if they are copies from the DNA of Mihawk or Boa it could happen with them as well

[sweet ocean]

Ok so I’m trying to piece together my predictions for what will happen in this “Egghead Island Arc” based on the current standing of the checkered fate theory. Supposedly, Onigashima was an inversion of Baratie, which will place the new arc’s inversion to be Syrup Village. So far, I’m guessing that Helmeppo, the son of a navy officer turned into one himself, will be an inversion for Django, the pirate turned naval officer. My other idea is that one of the other naval officers we’ve seen in the latest chapter, maybe Tashigi?, will for some reason flip sides and become a pirate after this arc.

I’m really baffled on this one because I was fully expecting the next arc to be Elbaf to make the Syrup Village inversions pretty easy.

[left falcon]

animal cyborg and human cyborg might work differently, still not sure yet

[sweet ocean]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XdKIQqQUzFD-ObAFh4AqpdGOLLNiLxe8ZUiY4vf7bUc/edit This is the google doc for the theory I’m basing my predictions on.

[grizzled pendant]

Question to start the theory : will the strawhats go to prison since they got caught by "vega"

[desert drum]

That would heavily backfire for the WG lol.. also i noticed that both seraphims so far are (i assume it of Mihawk) conquers Haki Users, and it was mentioned several Times i think that people are Born with it/have it in their blood, maybe their DNA?

Also it would paralel Kaido failing to make conquers Haki Users submit to him when the next Arc 'boss' can do just that

[iron current]

the question for that is how "human" are the seraphims, do they have a will

[desert drum]

I assume conquerers Haki requires free will, so the seraphims are probably a failureagain

[iron current]

i mean haki by itself needs will and willpower

[desert drum]

A Bolder Just lifted Off my shoulders.. if anyone Else did that, i read 'I Work for the government, despite my mediocrity. They Like to call me their scientific genius' instead of 'i Work for the government! Despite my mediocrity, they call me their scientific genius'
The First one implied so much different Things lol

[foggy crest]

do you think there will be another member of the Straw Hats or nah?

[iron current]

with 1060 i feel like there is a good chance we wont get another one

[foggy crest]

part of me wonders if the character introduced in 1061 could potentially join the crew

[modest skiff]

“Who will join” discussion goes in the other manga channels, such as #manga-serious or #manga

[foggy crest]

oh sorry

[modest skiff]

No worrries, just doing my job to help people figure out our rules and stuff

[sweet ocean]

I wanna say there’s a strong possibility. Syrup Village starts off with the crew meeting Usopp & co. after making landfall before scaring away his friends and failing to be intimidated by him. Then they go talk while having a meal at the village restaurant. I feel like the inversion here (if there is one) is that Punk 02 is the stand in for Usopp, who is now actually intimidating the SH crew. A few more vegapunk robots might show up to assist in taking away the crew to either a hospitable setting with ulterior motives (think the mansion from Thriller Bark) or Punk 02 will capture them

[grizzled pendant]

Good theory

[sweet ocean]

Granted, the checkered fate theory doesn’t claim that the new world arcs follow a direct 1 to 1 inversion/parallelism between the paradise arcs so I could be entirely jumping the gun and Egghead is just gonna be the “start” to the Elbaf arc or something bigger

[grizzled pendant]

Maybe ur theory could be right but would that mean ussop would have to save the crew in this theory 🤔

[sweet ocean]

Which is exactly why I was expecting the next big arc to be Elbaf because of the obvious tie-ins Usopp has to there

[grizzled pendant]

Yep especially that promise with the giants back in enies lobby I think 🤔

[sweet ocean]

And in Little Garden with Brogy and Dorry

[grizzled pendant]

Yep them too

Hopefully the "egghead arc" won't be long but short just like the rest

[sweet ocean]

Hopefully. I also have a theory that Bonney could have worked for the Navy in the past to be an inversion for Django coming to work for the navy in “the future” in terms of when Syrup Village took place. Since Django was a pirate who turned into a naval officer, I think Bonney, who we’ve seen to have some kind of relationship with the WG, might have been a naval officer who long ago turned on them and became a pirate.

[unique isle]

Vegapunk probably had a deal with bonney to keep her young

[boreal scaffold]

who is gonna keep who young?

[tame tendon]

But Coby was kidnapped by BB, I think the next arc will be fullalead bcs Helmeppo's possibilty coming to Egghead and will meet Luffy

Still figuring out about another marine whose coming to egghead on the last panel of 1059

[radiant silo]

This next arc is going to be the post time skip amazon lily imo

[sweet ocean]

She’s young bc of her df

[heady lichen]

hear me out, what if Dr vegapunk is actually old woman like DR KUREHA old.. what if those two are related somehow maybe Dr vegapunk did something to their bodies to make them live long or they are twins, I mean they both live on winter islands, and they both excel in scientific reasearch

[unique isle]

Or maybe bonneys df

[boreal scaffold]

wdym?

[late sonnet]

The marines have never seen Post-Timeskip Franky's look, aside from tashigi and smoker. Not a single bounty poster has shown Franky as himself. Pre-timeskip doesnt look similar, general franky is a giant robot, and the sunny is a ship. I wonder if that'll tie into this arc with Vegapunk capturing the strawhats... Maybe letting Franky go since he isnt clearly a strawhat, this gives franky a start in his arc

[twilit cliff]

any theories on bloodline elements?

[languid helm]

vegapunk fo shizzle a dude who just made a girl to prank people

[waxen mantle]

what if vegapunk know how to disable franky if she know her own work she know franky is made of her blueprint and maybe she can control franky

[olive zinc]

I mentioned it in regular chat. But I think that the island mihawk visited shanks at back in chapter 96 is egghead island but in the past/present time. It even has an egg looking thing at the top, and the island formation is extremely similar. Location might be different because of what happens in the future when the redline disappears.

[weak arrow]

What? I’m having trouble trying to respond to this but I’ll just say 500 years in the future just means it is much more technologically advanced than the rest of the world, not that the island somehow is from 500 years in the future

[gray creek]

That’s DNA

[royal agate]

vegapunk is an old man confirmed I think thats just a robot he's speaking throgh

[craggy schooner]

In skypiea they stated that there are gods and god of the land are on of them i suppose imu sama is god od the land, After joyboy died imu created a red line with god of land power

[raven iron]

I foresee SWORD alliance with strawhat rescuing koby

[regal vine]

I think this arc will also focus on the origin of DF because vegapunk has that knowledge

[spark nebula]

exaclty the next opponent will be blackbeard pirates💯

[lavish snow]

Guys what if Tashigi is uhhhh… a clone

[cedar crown]

Excited about the Sword Mugiwaras alliance against the Blackbeards

And Yamato, "I am Oden" ?
Sexy girl, "I am Vegapunk!" ?

Hopefully we can get a new Mugiwara, after the Yamato flop. Some people really believed in it 🤣🤣🤣

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/v9xhco/one_piece_tattoo_straw_hat_crew/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

[waxen mantle]

that be a shocking reveal and funny

[cedar crown]

Can't wait against BB

I can see more chances with this girl joining the Mugiwaras than her being Vegapunk

[strong anchor]

Really? I just don't think that many people would like that because like we just left wano without recruiting yamato and i also thik we are not gonna be in this island for a long time so a character joining the crew without a connection with tha strawhats and the audience themselves would be kinda bad.

[low ridge]

island name is egghead, maybe something really big hatched from the egg, and that thing became something we know today (could even be the weapon uranus, since we know it’s not limited to being a physical object; see shirahoshi)

i have a feeling they won’t be here for long. My thought is that they’ll have some sort of face off with vegapunk, or they’ll get him/her(the one we saw in the chapter had a 2 on her chest so she might be a clone) to join the crew as the scientist, but tbh i can’t see frankly liking that, given how much of franky’s stuff is based off of vegapunk tech. maybe this will be a short arc just to tie up the vegapunk mystery, or maybe vegapunk has some ridiculous tech for the straw hats to use to find the last poneglyph, etc. I think anything is possible, but I don’t think the arc will center around vegapunk. There is too little time left in the series for that. Oda said he plans to end in roughly 5 years, which give or take is 220-260 chapters. I’ll write a whole other paragraph on why i think there will be 1325 chapters but that’s for another discussion

[spark nebula]

yo what if imu has the same power of luffy just like kaido-momonuske situation

[stoic cedar]

Like he has the real one and Luffy had the fake one?

[spark nebula]

like imu has the fake one coz its been stated the luffy df has been running away from govt so they decided to make their own or it could be the other way too ik it sounds stupid but luffy facing an opponent who have the same df like him would be cool

[stoic cedar]

I don't think it's what happened, but it is definitely a cool idea. My only thing is we still don't know much about Luffys fruit. Were his gears hyrbrid forms like Chopper? Is he in his hybrid form when he's just using the gum powers like he usually does? Is his hybrid form the form he's in? Does it have another form? It would be interesting if we see more of the devil fruit from someone else, but unfortunately Im most likely doesn't have the hito hito

[wanton hull]

Enel is probably im sama

[solar chasm]

Luffy and SWORD becoming the scuffed Strawhats while the other Strawhats chill at the lab then Law be like "Mugiwara-ya?"

[strong tulip]

Hey quick question. Did the other Warlords ever meet Kuma after he was turned into a robot?

Did they find out or was it all kept under wraps the whole time?

Something like that would've caused outrage or concern amongst some of them, right? So im guessing it never happened and the plot was swept under the rug. Kinda explains the offscreening of something

we're allowed to talk about spoilers in here right? but im sure everyone gets the last part

[runic shore]

The girl in the newest chapter saying that she is Vegapunk has to be just some cyborg controlled by Vegapunk no? All og the creations have some numbers in them like 03 in the shark

[strong tulip]

Do you know how Doctor titles work? It could be his grand daughter who was smart enough to become a Doctorate in their world as well.

When I was born IRL, I had 3 Dr's with the same last name who were brothers too, just working at the same small town hospital

So could be a family member which makes perfect sense. Why would Vegapunk let the World Government control all of his high tech?

Either its his family controlling it or his clones. Since he did work with Sanji's Dad in MADs (who has a clone army)

Each person from MADs seems like a knock off version of Vegapunk, so maybe Vegapunk was the original person using clones before Judge.

Hell look at Queens shitty mechanical tech compared to what we just saw.

Its like they all aspire to be as smart as him and he (vegapunk) disbanded the group because they were inferior/evil compared to him/her.

i meant he/she (vegapunk) because at this point i dont even know. Oda just made it more mysterious now. I thought I was going to be hyped for the Elbaf chapter but Oda pulled a fast one on me and this one has high expectations and what if its as long as wano?

[primal cargo]

Kuma was a robot at Marineford. Doflamingo was even the one to explain it to us.

[wanton hull]

Could Enel have conquers haki

[flat crane]

He shouldve used it if he did, but instead lost to hubris

[wanton hull]

U talkin to me?

[flat crane]

Yeah

[wanton hull]

Luffy used his CH first time on marine ford right?

[flat crane]

Yeah, I think?

[wanton hull]

Could be enels case. He doesn’t even know he has CH until it matters

[flat crane]

Well we wont be seeing him for a while. He's happily in Luna

[wanton hull]

Luna? Oh the moon.

[idle oyster]

CH?

[celest cove]

Conq haki

[weak arrow]

He used it on Duval’s bull and then used it on the wolves in punk hazard, saving bon clay on the 5th floor

[rain quiver]

*impel down

[weak arrow]

~~Ice floor… ice island… same place. ~~But yes

[spare wing]

I thought that girl calling herself vegapunk will be 2nd gen vegapunk

[hoary hatch]

Could be the child of the previous Vegapunk. Could be the original one and the flashback images were misleading. Could be original Vegapunk in a new body even. Knowing that Vegapunk has access to such high tech stuff, there are way too many options.

[weak arrow]

@strange acorn sorry about that, but we don’t allow #other-series comparisons like that in this server.

[spare wing]

Yaa b'coz at ceaser backstory vegapunk is a old man with low pitch sound character

[primal cargo]

Don't think so, the way she speaks "like an old man" suggests it's the real Vegapunk talking at the very least

[solar chasm]

Couple of theories:

Hanyabal (Impel Down Head guard) is part-Lunarian I think (only a part because he's not that durable like King) - he generate flames into his staff
Poneglyphs are imbued with Haki (might be Conquerors) by the people who inscribe the ancient text just like how Enma absorbs Haki, that's why they're indestructible

[plucky kiln]

are you talking about Magellan

[desert drum]

How come people still mention Enel.. I find the Idea preposterous

[plucky kiln]

His importance was made clear in the cover stories

[weak arrow]

Haki is not indestructible

[desert drum]

His paralels with calgara because He only 'wanted to Go home' since His race originated on the moon? We have many characters whos backstories are used to expand the universe, it doesnt render the character significant to the narrative though, and Enel is just used, it would be cool to See Eminem Play him in Netflix Adaptation haha

[pure raven]

Wasn’t it on Amazon lily?

[pure raven]

They must have mad strong haki when they’re considered indestructible when there are people like garp and rogger

[plucky kiln]

yes it was

[night pendant]

Do you honestly think Enel will return?

[plucky kiln]

His importance was made clear in the cover stories. And there is also nothing that speak against his return. He is a character with unique Observation Haki and one of the most feared devil fruits. Also we have Urouge left as a character who most likely will be the link to Enels return and Birka. At the end of the cover stories he was ready with his army, so whenever the final world war starts, I don't see a reason why he shouldn't participate

[desert drum]

I think the reason might be because he is weak: His insane mass-destruction has to be prevented immediatly, which is very easy considering pekoms haki would Smash him

I can Imagine a scenario where His Friends Protect him... But the little robots would need dann strong Haki to participate in the final war to enable Enel to Power something useful, or something, but i highly doubt He will fight

[desert drum]

Is it off-putting to anyone how immensely cheerful Vegapunk looks? Its like she has a relatively neutral Scene in Front of her - intercepted Pirates she usually only Cares about making roboshark salvage their ships. Yet her Smile reminds me of a little child who Just got the greatest toy ever

[solar chasm]

I mean that they imbued the already sturdy stone with Haki to make it more stronger. Also so that DF abilities cannot easily affect it

[hollow oyster]

the thing we saw was probably most likely his daughter or a robot vegapunk made

[ruby osprey]

I would say it's a cyborg that vegapunk control, cause of the number on her chest

[vernal halo]

Why do you guys think the world government did not took hito hito no mi when Luffy was weak or do you guys think is a plot hole?

[dreamy rune]

1-invading wano is difficult. And momo did not chose to open the border. So wg fleet did not have any option but to retreat.
2- there is already chaos happening outside wano. So they don't have time to focus on stealing luffy df.

[sick eagle]

Oi you guys what if Bonnie is Vegapunk’s daughter and that’s why she has a connection with Kuma and the one we saw is a Cyborg meant to be a replacement of his wife to be Bonnie’s mom

[spark nebula]

bruh

[gleaming crest]

why does everyone have to be someone's daughter or son or uncle

I think bonnie is from sorbet kingdom where kuma is from as well, h ence the grudge at vegapunk

[spark nebula]

fr man XD

[hoary hatch]

Franky also has his Battle Franky number on his body. Maybe strange minds think alike and Vegapunk also upgraded their own body (but with more biological touch than cybernetic, since Vegapunk figured out the not-DNA thingy.)

[rapid umbra]

Shanks is going to join blackbeards crew frfr

[whole rivet]

!theories

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, power scaling, bounty predictions or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description. Posts here must be in paragraph form, preferably with evidence, not just a one line open question.

[twilit cliff]

why did urouge destroy baloon terminal

[warm lodge]

the first time that Luffy's rubber powers would've become common knowledge would've been at Marineford and that's probably when the Gorosei realised that he had the fruit. They had very briefly noted him as a threat after he beat Crocodile but that was because of the D. in his name. Then, since Marineford and the entirety of post-timeskip, they've not really had a single opportunity to capture Luffy. The strawhats appeared out of nowhere on Sabaody plus they sent loads of pacifistas even for the fake Luffy, Fishman Island isn't touched by the Marines, Punk Hazard is supposed to be completely desolate and uninhabitable and Smoker let the Strawhats go as thanks, there was an Admiral on Dressrosa who let the Strawhats go, the WG don't know where Zou is, they wouldn't go into Big Mom's territory to capture Luffy and Wano is closed off from the world. Plus, they even made an effort to send CP0 into Wano to eliminate Luffy depsite how much chaos there was in the world. I'd say they tried pretty hard to get him

[boreal scaffold]

so of all the marines and warlords he fought, not a single report was made that he uses the gomu-gomu no mi, i think they knew, why they didnt retrieve it, idk

[warm lodge]

I'm not sure why any of the Warlords would've bothered telling the WG a single thing since they are all extremely uncooperative. Smoker dislikes all the higher ups and the World Government as well. CP9 were pursued by the WG after they failed at Enies Lobby so they would never have had a chance to say what his powers were

[boreal scaffold]

not all of them, rob was literally promoted to CP0

[warm lodge]

they were all on the run, read their cover story

[boreal scaffold]

this actually makes sense, but i seriously doubt that the WG with all its assets couldn't figure out the powers of someone like luffy

[open tree]

I dont think they expected him to awaken the fruit tbh

[boreal scaffold]

why not, he is dragon's son and garp's grandson

[warm lodge]

yeah I think they could but they don't really have any reason to, it looks crazy suspicious if they're telling Marines to look out for a rubber man when the fruit should be extremely mediocre. It's easier to just hope that Luffy gets eliminated by the Yonko or whatever rather than drawing attention to what should be a very understated fruit

[hoary hatch]

It was my impression that the importance of the Gomu Gomu fruit was VERY top secret. That is why Who's who doesn't get why he got thrown in prison just for losing a random paramecia. And this I think is why no one cared about Luffy having it. The Gorosei act as if they had only found out the truth about the DF just before Luffy awakens it (and that is why they were panicking.) Most likely the only ones who had known were Imu and whoever Imu decided would need to know. Not the current Gorosei even, they were just following orders. Imu would have found out about Luffy and his DF sometime before the Reverie, since he has Luffy's poster and likely access to info that WG has on Luffy. And then either he tells the others about the danger Luffy poses at this moment, or Shanks tells them about it (for some complicated reason he has) when he meets up with the Gorosei.

[rose axle]

Did Law travel to G14 (and is a Sword member) and Kid is on the way to Blackbeards base?

[wraith shard]

Are you going to just post crack theories?

[boreal scaffold]

didn't they say they have to meet the man with flame or smth, why go to bb or G14

[rose axle]

at least kid and luffy had absolutely no fucking idea what the next islands are. Law might do a quick stop on G14 because he's been theorised to be a member of Sword or could also be giving X Drake a ride because of the connection to Corazon

[boreal scaffold]

law going to G14 might indicate he will be in the story so soon, and i don't think oda would do that

[rose axle]

Not really, it could also just create further plot points for the endgame. Because right now; what exactly is the goal of sword and how are they going to achieve it? Law might be helpful there

[boreal scaffold]

SWORD will defo be important, i just dont think we will get any law related content anytime soon

[rose axle]

Yeah, so both could come in play together towards the end

[cerulean trout]

I think momonosuke is the grandchild of joyboy

[cerulean trout]

Since toki was a baby from the void century leaping trough time she could be joyboys child and be given that time travel fruit for some reason, and thats why momonosuke also got the voice of all things, oda is trying too fool us by making us think he got it because he is odens son, but it actually is bc he is joyboys grandchild

[desert drum]

About gomu gomu the Main information would be the gorosei knowing that the Nika Nika No mi is supposed to give the Body Rubber properties, which could be a single information they didnt have Back at baratie

[proud tree]

could Vegapunk heal the emotionless Germa66 children, since she seems to understand "primal desires", also the smiles since they stop emotions ... would show his superiority to judge

[boreal scaffold]

he might, but why would he?
aren't they enemies of the WG?

[proud tree]

bcs she could fix and understand all these issues the other MADs members have caused: Smiles (Cesar), Emotionless Germa (Judge). Or the strawhats even force her to do it, since its a yonko crew, brute force should win against her.

Bonney would be interested in healing Kuma

[boreal scaffold]

first part could be plausible, fixing other mad scientists mistakes, but I don't think the Dr.Vegapunk could be forced to do smth.

[proud tree]

yeah more like a trade thing, like Bonney wants to do business with Vega

[desert drum]

The people from okobore need to be healed aswell its the greatest tragedy left behind in wano they are sentenced to SMILE

Also.. there might be something left we dont know about ichiji niji and yonji, i dont think judge was as successful with removing their primal desires (which would maybe be something Soras(sanjis mother) Grace) as he thinks he was.. maybe or probably there was a certain method he used vegapunk would consider failed right from the start

Queen was also member of MAD, and there might be some scientific disaster he left behind as well, Vegapunks trope about 'mediocricy' and 'failure' cant be unrelated to MAD, so i can see her in some way clearing up her colleagues mistakes

And about vegapunk and 'future', i thought to myself 'is she interested in History'? Which will Turn Out to be a majorly interesting question considering her possible Level of knowledge, recent joyboy related Events and her Now Meeting the strawhats

[sand chasm]

Hey any good theories on what Luffy’s dream could be? The man had some interesting reactions from the crew after he said it

[pure raven]

I think something with freedom but no idea what exactly

[random harbor]

Maybe or something with Marines and pirates idk

[pure raven]

I dont think so, because he had this dream since he was a kid. And i dont think kid luffy gave a fuk about the marines

[desert drum]

It must be something related to how Luffy behaved when He First met ace - ace asked him why He followed him around and why He wants to be His Friend so Bad.. and Luffy Said 'because there was noone Else around' so maybe something Like 'For noone to be lonely' but Putting it Like this belittles the sentiment, the implications are complete social-revolution

[gleaming crest]

why would usopp be so adamant to say "that's impossible" to that though,i think it's something concrete or something usopp didnt understand

[desert drum]

It would have heavy implications for the Story as antithetic reflection of japanese society aswell@desert drum

Well, it is certainly Imu-possible for noone to be lonely, from our perspective atleast.

[random harbor]

why did you ping you're self

[desert drum]

@random harbor im talking about hikikomori which make Up alot of one piece Fans directly Interacting with the franchise

I pinged falsely Just wanted to reference my previous answer so it was clear i meant it

Also one hint may be... The sentence Luffy Starts in the flashback where He tells sabo and ace about His Dream starts Like this "俺なら"(ore nara) which, at least a little, leans into the direction of the phrase 'to become something' rather than 'to do something ' but maybe His sentence was Like 'if i become pirate king, i want...'

[random harbor]

Maybe Luffy's True Dream is to be the freest man of the World Or it could be make Everyone Free has well

[desert drum]

I suppose that would be way to redundant for Oda, since its already implicated (and Said Out loud) a few times, i think the Idea that it has to be something 'more concrete'(to rephrase the noone is lonely into 'more concrete': for everybody to have friends')

[iron current]

i mean thats what he thinks is the Pirate King, the freest person on the sea and thats his goal not his dream

[random harbor]

Yeah but he did tell Ace and them that was his true Dream

[iron current]

but Luffy said in Sabaody that the freest person on the seas will be the pirate king, which is his goal, to become the pirate king and he says that being that would help fullfill his dream

[desert drum]

It is even said that he would have to be 'at least' pirate King to make His dream possible

[random harbor]

Yeah but maybe he wants everyone to be Free

[iron current]

its possible

[desert drum]

Interesting Bit: on Fishman Island Luffy Said 'there can only be ONE pirate king': maybe Luffy was wrong! 🙂

[random harbor]

true

[desert drum]

At least i thought that to myself when i read it Back then! I waved my Fist at Luffy, saying 'no, im number 2'

[pure raven]

when i read the newest chapter my instant thought went to this is a relative of vega punk, who’s also a doctor, very oda thing to do

[stark latch]

Maybe luffy hidden dream will be another series because the name is one piece and it should focus on one piece but our main protagonist has any other dream so maybe oda did this only to create a good another goat anime like one piece after one piece ends

[mental eagle]

you mean the lady?

[pure raven]

yea, the girl who said shes Dr Vegapunk at the end of recent chapter

[mental eagle]

i'm gonna assume whoever she is, she's a cyborg
either one who is just posing as vegapunk, or one that vegapunk controls from afar and uses as "body", or is literally a new body vegapunk transplanted his conscience in or something due to being too old

the "punk 02" on her shirt points me in this direction

[cerulean trout]

Also the 12 on the big robot

[shut blaze]

Aren't most numbered characters like her in Shonen historically robots or androids? Dragonball, Cyborg 009 etc...
Robot/Android is a safe bet.

[last bramble]

I believe she will be a robot body being controlled by Vega Punk, if Vega Punk isn’t just a brain in a jar labeled 00

[sly crypt]

What if the seraphims we saw are just called seraphims and the vegapunk we saw in this chapter is an SSG? The special science group. There are a group of then

[merry sparrow]

What’s the chances the government got some of ace’s dna after capturing him and remade him as a seraphim?

[visual sparrow]

Vegapunk has kids

[soft moon]

In doing that he’ll inevitably take down the world government ti make it one free world for everyone

[desert drum]

I would say that this seraphim would be a great mistake to create since she cant override its primal desires which in aces case would amount to joining luffy

[modest skiff]

Small disagreement, I think BB wants to transform the world, but I don't think he has any desire to rule it, for the same reasons as Luffy.

[modest skiff]

What do you think is the shame the Nefertari family have? The shame of the Nefertari is the big thing that makes me have a hard time with this theory. Right now it feels like the WG betrayed the AK, but it is hard to imagine that if the ancient kingdom was more so a huge lawless area.

The other thing that is tough is that it is hard to explain how the red line, grand line, calm belt, etc, factor in. In my eyes, the ancient kingdom feels very likely to instead be highly technologically advanced, since someone had to have been the ones to colonize the moon and all the tech Tsukimi used. The whole thing about little robots being made hundreds of years ago makes it feel like whether it was pirates or someone else, technology used to be way more advanced somewhere in the world

[modest skiff]

the history of the fishmen and merfolk is hard to fit into the history. It feels a lot like they were banished to the ocean floor. I think that once upon a time, they lived on the surface, but then the void century war happened

[snow herald]

My theory is that Luffy wants to pull all the islands to together to make one big continent

[desert drum]

I think the AK is derived from a concept the italian philosopher giorgio agamben called "spaces (or states) of exception" [...] "wherein the law creates zones where the law does not apply. The underground is legally unlawful." which means peace amongst system/non-system(or systemic fluidity), or in more profane manga terms 'both citizenship and pirateship in sustainable interaction', this might also tie in with luffys dream, since in the one piece world you need to be strong to go on adventure, for luffy being strong might only be an unjust necessity, regarding the reason he came to his decision to become stronger two times(after he thought sabo died as a kid, and after ace died)

[pure raven]

I don’t think that’s the real vegapunk

[grim harness]

What if Joyboy/Nika was Lunarian

[waxen mantle]

do you think that because luffy in vegapunk territory he could see a ace copy also if it true that the navy are using the kids do you think cyberpunk Tashigi and smoker knew about it

[nocturne leaf]

I was just thinking why shanks doesnt have a single crewmate who uses df but then i remembered buggy bc he got sick when he got near laugh tale so ig shanks figured it out and thats why he doesnt have any df users in hia crew

[dusk berry]

Bb and luffy are two faces of a coin
One wants the opposite of the other
Their taste, reaction, ways to do things,
I'd assume bb's dream is the opposite of luffy's

[fallow bobcat]

Ah, so he wants to be a fodder Marine

[unique hornet]

maybe but child shanks said to roger when buggy got sick "we will sail ourself with our ship some day". Including Buggy

[primal cargo]

I couldn't find the panel where Cobra says this, but if it is true then my answer would be that they executed Joyboy for being a pirate, even though he was their saviour.

[primal cargo]

I think all of those things can be worked into the story without making my version impossible. The fact that somebody at some point had great technology, doesn't mean it has to be the AK. Could even be one pirate that was super into technology, as the Pirate Kingdom isn't a compact entity.

Same for the fishfolk, they may or may not have moved during the VC. If they did it may have been because if the evil PK's influence ?
But the Tontatta for example were already slaves long before the VC, so discrimination against the fishfolk could definitely be the same

About the Red Line etc, assuming they are man-made, the Pirate Kingdom probably has nothing to do with them. Generally I'm assuming that if they were made, it was 1600 years ago (the age of the Sea Circle)

[primal cargo]

I've never seen this point before, what makes you think that? He did say he wants to conquer the world, and like I said at the end he has yet to do anything that isn't related to brute military power

[boreal scaffold]

his grandfather was a marine, and his idol was a pirate

[slim mountain]

Sword-SH Alliance theory:

The Straw Hats and Bonney will be captured by Vegapunk but the other half of the crew will meet up with Smoker. He will be in communication with Tashigi and the two groups (Smoker and Tashigi groups) will both go after Blackbeard to save Koby after resolving their feud. This will include a team up if Straw Hats, Bonney, Smoker+Tashigi, Vegapunk, and Sword.

[proper gate]

can dragon be Rocks Xebec's son

[lethal mica]

Theory of what the one piece could be
Somewhere on laugh tale it mentioned a way for someone to be reincarnated as a devil fruit like the hito hito no mi
i think that roger could have decided that his era was to end and part of the devil fruiting process you get a fatal incurable disease which led to roger giving himself up to the world government
i think the one piece is rogers devil fruit along with the instructions of how to reincarnate as a mythical zoan or whatever its called

If anything in this theory isnt possible or is debunked then lmk as im just going off the spoilers i know as im not far into the show

[burnt ibex]

roger was sick before reaching laughtale wasn’t he

[lethal mica]

im not sure im not near it but ive just heard about spoilers

[burnt ibex]

oh i guessed you would be near wano since you said laughtale

[lethal mica]

ah nevermind he was sick before leaving but i still feel that its plausable but nah im around episode 300

[green vale]

After learning of his illness Roger took a 2 year journey with the doctor from the twin capes to visit lafetale, then the papers titled him the king of the pirates

[twilit cliff]

With how rafftel is now laugh tale, is the same thing happening with imu and the actual name is closer to im (eem) or m

[random harbor]

That's why his Crew is saying that will be impossible and stuff

[soft moon]

Yeah I know. That’s why there’s no way it’ll happen before he becomes pirate king

[burnt ibex]

did he have a journey with clover alone

[green vale]

He took his whole crew to laugh tale but shanks wasn't able to go as he was looking after buggy

[burnt ibex]

i know but im confused ab your part ab the journey with clover

[green vale]

The doctor from twin capes isn't clover I don't think

[burnt ibex]

oh right

[green vale]

Crocus was the doctor and he guards the lighthouse on twin capes and helps ships through to the start of the grand line

[burnt ibex]

yea i remember who he is i messed up his name but wdym with the 2 year journey

[green vale]

After finding out about his illness Roger recruited crocus and went on a 2 year journey across the grand line, he also recruits oden to read the poneglyphs.
He went to skypea and added a marker to the poneglyph which robin reads.
But yeah he went on the 2 year journey before he died to discover the true history on laugh tale

[burnt ibex]

oh i know about that i thought you said he had some separate journey with crocus before

[green vale]

He then gave himself to the marines and was executed. He likely knew crocus by passing the capes when he was.a novice pirate

[primal cargo]

Complete version of my Void Century theory from the other day :
https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/xmworp/the_pirate_kingdom_a_complete_theory_on_the_void/

[pure raven]

No

[gray creek]

It’s technically possible, just lacks any evidence

[boreal scaffold]

how?

[gray creek]

Its possible Dragon is Garp’s adopted son or son by marriage. It’s totally baseless and overly complicated but still in the realm of possibility

[desert abyss]

Just want to drop this before i forgot, the ancient weapon Poseidon from the void century created the calm belt before to protect something from someone. At the end of Onepiece we might witness shirahoshi commanding the sea kings to dissolve/abandon the calm belt to reunite the 4 seas.

[pure raven]

i had to point this out:

• this thought spinning on my mind about the imu identity in OP.
• imu - sama is a woman, she isnt normal human being, she is born with power or magic.
• i assumed imu is like maleficient
• and my thought say imu fall to joyboy but her loved rejected in void century.
• probably joyboy rejected imu because imu planned some evil that against joyboy's will.
• imu cursed joyboy generation and D
• imu give gorosei to long-live
• imu power is ability to use magic

[fathom matrix]

Luffy looks too much like garp at age 60. I think Dragon and Garp are the real deal in terms of genetic ties

[gray creek]

Devil’s advocate again, Luffy could be related to Garp maternally. I actually think there’s one piece of dialogue that debunks it but I can’t recall

[desert drum]

Timeline wise it Kind of Checks Out, before Kaido came to wano He was with vegapunk, but their relationship would have to be damn convoluted although especially with These two characters i can see a kind of 'whatever' mentality about it lol

[signal night]

What if the vegapunk we are seeing now is also a robot like pacosfista's etc but it is directly controlled by dr vegapunk Because vegapunk is literally more than 50+ years old in accordance to the devil fruits and robots etc he made

[night lava]

Yeah, if you see her suit, it says "punk 02"

Its possible shes just vegapunk's most successful A.I. yet

Or experiment

[restive pilot]

I'm thinking that perhaps an upcoming big war will mirror Marineford in some sense, Pacifistas then and Seraphims now, went out to rescue Ace from the Marines then and maybe want to rescue Coby from Cross Guild now. Would that be so crazy?

[thorny wedge]

I think it means she was the second scientist on punk hazard and someone else had superiority over her

[nocturne leaf]

I think vegapunk is a transgender so thats why he made a girl copy of himself bc he couldn't become an actual girl

Vegapunk have like punk 02 on his shirt

[formal ocean]

What if Im was one of only many rulers of the Great Kingdom?

Growing dissatisfied with the way they did things, Im decided that the only way that things should be done, was through unification. Many of the other rulers of the Kingdom did not agree with Im's ideology, ultimately making them Im's enemies.

One of these enemies is who I would assume to be the Sun God Nika, the warrior of liberation.

Due to them not agreeing with Im, Im decided to secretly make another faction that would overthrow the great kingdom, the world government.

Even with their Mythical powers, the great kingdom's rulers could not contend with the sheer amount of people fighting them, and they ultimately collapsed, meaning Im was almost free to do what they wished to do.

With one last obstacle standing in their way, Nika, Im decided execute him. However, Nika uttered his final words before he had departed from this world: "I may be gone, but the light of freedom shall never truly be extinguished. Wait and see; until the day I return, enjoy your victory, for true liberation shall once more come in the future, and you shall be illuminated."

With that, Nika was dead, and Im was finally free to do whatever they wished to do. Im established the WG to give them the illusion of democracy among the kingdoms, with Im acting behind the scenes, their dream of unification finally achieved.

However what Im didn't know, was that there was a mystical tree that had repurposed Nika's soul into a fruit that would contain his will and power, granting anyone the potential to wield the Sun God's abilities.

Im would later find this out the hard way in the form of the supposed "First Joyboy" that had appeared 500 years prior to the story we are currently following.

[whole rivet]

This is nice but it's kinda baseless and there's too many "what if"

[formal ocean]

That's the beauty of it

It's only really a vision instead of a theory at this point.

It's entirely possible, and maybe even highly likely considering the amount of things pointing towards this route

But I do admit there are a lot of holes to it

[twilit cliff]

How can i send an image here?

[zealous ingot]

Okay guys I got one, tell me if you’ve seen it elsewhere :

• the way the elders comment on the fact that Sabo’s in Lulucia seems off to me: « that’s bad luck / no, that’s fate », they’re clearly aware of something that, to them, DOESN’T involve Sabo.

• second, something dark appears through the clouds. The blasts themselves are blinding, so that something dark’s gotta be emitting the blasts (as opposed to say, a blast emitted by a human df user)
  That means that thing was moved up there before Sabo claimed to have seen someone on the empty throne. But most likely and more importantly, it would have been moved before Sabo’s call was even intercepted.

• Imu is seen stroking Lulucia on a map simultaneously. Which we all understand as: Imu’s the one pulling the strings on this.

So the only way I can make sense of all that, is if Imu planned the destruction of Lulucia before Sabo made the call. Hence the elders’ mixed reactions : they’re aware of Imu’s plans, so they pity him for being there now, but then they realize that his presence could be linked to / the very reason for the destruction of the island.

What I’m getting at is this:

1. the destruction of the island couldn’t just be an instantaneous effect - both the presence of something massive in the clouds and the elders’ reaction to Sabo being there tend to prove that it was planned.

2. Sabo being hit at the very moment he was talking about Imu couldn’t be a coincidence either - as the elder stated: it’s gotta be fate.

The only explanation I can come up with is Imu being somehow able to foresee the future.
As always, you could easily/lazily explain that by just some busted DF’s power.
But in the case for that particular power, we could have another explanation: picture someone gifted with an observation haki similar to Enel’s in its scope, but also to Katakuri’s (or Luffy’s now, or even Kaido’s, you get the point: ) in its ability to foresee the future. Wouldn’t we have that whole situation explained?

And couldn’t that be the very reason Imu sits on top of the world gov, and gets trusted by the elders to wipe any threat she foresees to the government?
The fishmen have their own Shiarley 20,000ft right beneath Imu’s throne… why wouldn’t the WG have a foreseeing figure for themselves?

I didn’t get blasted while writing that, so I guess I’m wrong after all.

[primal cargo]

Good idea about the future sight, it fits into the Enel/Im parallel where Enel would also be aware of everything on the island and smite people down from a great distance
Can't be both "fate" and Im seeing the future though, if they decided to blast Lulucia because they knew Sabo would be there then it's got nothing to do with fate. Maybe Im sees the future but the Elders don't know..?

[zealous ingot]

Yeah, sorry if that wasn’t clear:
In this headcannon of mine, Imu has future sight, takes the decisions, and the Elders blindly follow orders (like we’ve seen the first time Imu was introduced, with them awaiting orders on « which light should go out »)

So, in this latest Lulucia example (fun thought : lucia comes from the latin for « light », damn, Oda…)
Imu would’ve ordered/planned the destruction of the island, the Elders would’ve carried out orders without asking questions.
Then, Sabo gets intercepted, and they’re like « oh, poor bastard… », then « nope, that’s gotta be what Imu saw ».
So in a more symbolic, elder-centric view, it is Fate, because to them, Imu is fate incarnated.

So yeah, at this point there’s no way to tell if Imu just fully controls whatever destroyed Lulucia, and the Elders just knew about his/her intend to do so
Or if they carried out her/his orders and had Lulucia destroyed themselves.

[iron current]

its not impossible, but i just like the more obvious explanation that they planned to destroy the island and by pure fate Sabo decided to hide on this exact island, so not planned by anyone because if Im/Imu has future sight and such a good future sight that he can look that far into the future, then what the WG has been doing is even more laughable

[ebon idol]

even if you know the future it doesn't mean you're bright enough to change it. maybe he's just so cocky that he ends up doing nothing and the gorosei end up making decisions and they mess up

[iron current]

potentially yeah

[zealous ingot]

I don’t know… I’m thrown off that by what seems obvious to me: that the elders and Imu don’t share the same insight.
And that while the Elders seemed genuinely surprised at Sabo’s location, Imu seemed the one knowing what she/he was doing.
Also, Sabo’s location is one thing, fate/coincidence-wise…
The fact that he was revealing Imu’s existence at that very second… is on another level.

[iron current]

thats why i said its definitely possible but atm there is just not enough evidence for that so i go with the "normal" approach

[zealous ingot]

Yeah I don’t buy it. Thanks for bearing with me tho!

[desert drum]

The personification of fate, as an oedipal mechanism, enables hyperstition (the emergence of an idea into something concrete) of lucidity, but chaotic factors like Luffy quickly make that House of cards fall apart: metaphorically, even in a quantum state of indecision, luffy might pick a third, supposedly unavailable Option.
I thought this about Imu Back then when cp0 was at the fire Festival, their mannerism resembled absolute certainty, of a causal- or temporal kind(which was toppled by Luffy quickly)

[zealous ingot]

Yep. Also, Luffy defining both:

• the pirate king as the « most free man »
• gear 5 as his « most free state »
  Makes for a nice opposition with the way the Elders and CP0 invoke Fate as immutable. It would seem logical to make Imu the personification of Fate, as it would make him/her the Pirate King’s nemesis.

[vernal halo]

Who was the ghost Zoro saw after defeating the black wing kaidou guy

[zealous ingot]

And what better way to make someone the personification of fate than allowing them to peer into the future?

That conversation gives me some Berserk/GodHand/Void causality vibes.

[zealous ingot]

I guess Zoro would say…
« Nobody. »

[spiral fractal]

Plausible theory [Twitter thread] on why Dr Vegapunk is now a girl when it was previously heavily implied they were an old man:
https://twitter.com/newworldartur/status/1574060007569620993

[pure raven]

They still could be a man tho. Like the girl is even said to have a older guy voice. And everyone before this who’s meet him said he was a old guy

[gleaming crest]

isnt it pretty obvious that it's a remote controlled android or something. got an antenna and everything

[ebon idol]

vegapunk is a really tiny dude living in that girl's head and he controls it via that antena

[analog sun]

I don't remember reading this one before, but apologies in advance if it's a common one:

What if Luffy's dream is to make all his friends' dreams come true? It kinda checks all the boxes:

-Can be thought of by a kid (Luffy already had that dream at 7)
-Could have realistically been Roger's dream too (he was said to have no limits when it came to his friends)
-Could elicit the reactions we've seen (laughing, saying it's impossible, saying it's cute)
-Fits the larger 'Dream' motif we see coming back frequently (side-theory of Dream being the meaning of D, after all People's Dreams never die)
-Fits the end of Wano as it was many of the characters that Luffy befriended's dream to eat as much as they wanted

[bronze fern]

Thought that was just him hallucinating cause of the side effects from the special medicine

[steady prism]

fyi questions like this are better asked in #manga or #manga-serious . This channel's for long-form theory discussions

[steady prism]

Could you elaborate a little more as to what the theory's about? This channel's for long-form theory discussions and it would help if you give us some details on the theory and any evidence they use to support it beyond just a link.

!theories

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, power scaling, bounty predictions or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description. Posts here must be in paragraph form, preferably with evidence, not just a one line open question.

[gleaming crest]

doesnt fit the reactions in my opinion. "troublesome", "impossible", "get your head checked"

[analog sun]

How does it not fit the last two? It's an overly ambitious dream ... Maybe the people who said those things know that their own dreams aren't easy to make a reality

[merry sparrow]

Would it be possible that the connection between all the mythical zoan devil fruits be that at one point they were all on the same crew as JoyBoy?

[steady prism]

Could you elaborate a little as to why it would? If it's just a question, you're better suited asking in #manga or #manga-serious

[merry sparrow]

True

[snow herald]

I think luffys dream is to unite all islands somehow, possibly physically moving them to make 1 big continent/island.
Impossible? Yes but if you're PK, you may have the power to do it? Or at least attempt.
Why? To have the biggest party.

Ohhhhh, what if at the end of luffys dream, once he becomes PK and is essentially the strongest, the person with the greatest power. He wants to learn how to swim?! Yooooooooo

Do we know if Roger was able to swim or not?

[tall abyss]

What if the reason Vegapunk is a woman is because Oda made the Dr. canon to OP and this is Vegapunks first reincarnation

[steady prism]

!theories @tall abyss @snow herald "what if" questions and other general questions are better suited in #manga . Please read the channel description.

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, power scaling, bounty predictions or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description. Posts here must be in paragraph form, preferably with evidence, not just a one line open question.

[shut lantern]

I just joined this discord and I was wondering on what you guys thing the one piece actually is

[inner vapor]

Part of me wonders if Vegapunk is mimicking actual fruits with his SMILE fruit copies. For as much as Ivanka uses the Horu-Horu fruit for gender bender shenanigans, I could see Vegapunk copying that fruit as Estrogen and testosterone also affect telomere length which is one of the crucial parts of cell aging/death.

Short of copying the Op-Op fruit, it's one of the easier ways of getting partial immortality and the only downside is having a female body they can shift back when needed. However Vegapunk is immoral and aloof to the point he'd probably not care and kept the female body because Horu-Horu Females bodies become softer/bouncier, getting bonus to blunt force trauma similar to a weak Gomu-Gomu no Mi on top of using the feminine form to distract and disarm would be attackers.

Especially since it seems he has the DNA of the old Warlords and the Lost Lunarian Tribe to make his Super Pacifistas. I wouldn't be suprised he used Impel Down as a way to capture and harvest Fruit Users for DNA and other data for his experiments.

[shut lantern]

Oh yeah that’s something that’s very possible for him to do

[autumn cairn]

What if tashigi is zoro’s sister? We know that zoro shares many characteristics with members of the shimotsuki clan’s males. We also know that Tashigi is the spitting image of kuina, a female shimotsuki. Maybe a stretch, but I think that zoro and tashigi could very well be related if not siblings.

[desert drum]

Downside? You list only upsides, are you vinsmoke Judge?

[inner vapor]

Constant hormone shifting between genders might shorten the lifespan of the target like Ivanka's healing hormones does. While Vegapunk could possibly fix this by making his body a Pacifista, I suspect he wouldn't bother in the long run out of laziness or not wanting to ruin a stable body.

[hoary onyx]

States in recent chapters, zoan fruits have a will of their own. With this knowledge now with us, likely chances are Vegapunk knows about the will in zoan fruits. We also know Vegapunk is trying things out with will, as seen in the most recent chapter with the robotic shark and its savagery. There is a chance that part of the “failure” in Momo’s fruit was that it did not have a will. So now with this context, Vegapunk is likely trying to create will on its own. Since we know haki is tied in with will, my conclusion is that Vegapunk’s current task(whether his own or told by the WG) is to create conquerer’s haki through artificial means. To my knowledge, theres nothing that goes against haki being artificially made. This also means towards the end, Vegapunk could very possibly equip the WG with an army of conquerers.

[dim drum]

I think the Vegapunk we met in 1061 is actually the grand daughter of the famous doctor we've heard so much about. She says she can't get rid of the shark's primal desires which doesn't seem to be a problem with the Seraphim and Pacifistas, which I think were created by the OG Vegapunk. Maybe the Vegapunk we know about from his feats throughout the story is training this girl to replace him because he's sick and dying. Before he passes he will reveal some revelations to the crew with regards to devil fruits and lineage factor, leaving girl Vegapunk as the chief of the SSG. However, she may end up becoming an ally to the crew/grand fleet instead after spending time with them. This theory definitely isn't fool proof but it was fun to come up with.

[modest skiff]

I think this is interesting and feels reasonable. One thing people often point out is that this woman speaks in a way that is characteristically "old man speak". It is possible VP and his family are solitary and they picked up his vocabulary and mannerisms. Other than that, her way of speaking would feel like a valid argument against the idea that its his grand daughter

I've seen people point out that if Franky can make himself a new body, VP should be able to as well. These people tend to say this woman is a synthetic human being controlled by VP or VP made himself another body. Either scenario explains the 02 and her augmentation.

In this image:

1. Wearing some kinda head gear with an antenna (similar to Vinsmoke technology on a living synthetic human

2. Her left and right arms are different shapes/sizes, which I feel indicates some form of biological augmentation at the very least

3. On her right arm there is writing which might be SG but is hard to tell

4. No discernible shapes or letters on her left arm

5. Her legs are attached to some sort of robot leg gear

6. Says the WG hired them, but its possible the WG also hired VP's family

[weak arrow]

@muted goblet we only allow serious theories in here.

[muted goblet]

ah sorry

[lone forum]

punk 02 is suspicious

[dim drum]

Good point. I like your reasoning for why she speaks like an old person.

[pure raven]

That’s why shanks can go to marijoa

[terse vine]

One piece theory 😱 😱
Luffy has 5 gears, like how mariejois has 5 elders
Imu-Sama > 5 elders
Luffy's final transformation = Gear Imu-Sama?!??!?! 😯 😯

[cedar crown]

Aokiji could be like Drake? Sword member?

[mental eagle]

what

[spark nebula]

meh he is not someone who likes to work under akainu lol

[static gale]

There is a whole new sea in the sky. And it's called the black sea or space. Similar to the white sea of the sky islands. The black sea has islands called planets. Why haven't we traveled there yet? Because the ruler of the world didn't want them to. Reminds me of the Reiss family that controls the founding titan from ‘Attack of Titans.’ They purposely delete history when it doesn't benefit them. Called the void history. We know there are aliens, but there are space pirates. It's shown from the cover story of Enel going to the moon.

P.S. Uranus is a death star. one the many moons that orbits the earth.

[pearl wigeon]

Isn't enel dead I swear that would have even killed a god

[pearl wigeon]

Let me guess it's because he's black

[hoary hatch]

Enel had his own cover story after the Skypeia arc. He travelled to space and fought space pirates on one of the moons.

Edit: he also found some wall paintings about how his people came down from the moon ages ago.

[static gale]

what u guys think of the comparison of im to reiss family. the whole reason i made this short "theory"

[lavish snow]

What if ace was trained by Rayleigh , how’d strong do you think he will be

[spark nebula]

he was already under the guidance of strongest man in the world, i dont think it would make any difference

[zealous ingot]

Well yeah, erasing history’s both their modus operandi

[pearl wigeon]

When exactly was it?

[hoary hatch]

Starting from chapter 428. Went on for 38 chapters.

[pearl wigeon]

Convert to anime

[iron current]

Don't think they ever showed that in the anime, a lot of the cover stories haven't been adapted sadly

[gleaming crest]

pretty sure the arm thing is just the baggy pilot jacket

[ember nest]

yeah and i figure the antenna helmet is to control the mech

[desert drum]

Switching gender from Male to female actually increases your lifespan 😛

[inner vapor]

Only if you stick to female form and don't gender hop between them. Again a reason why Vegapunk probably stuck with the female form moreover than the male one. The issue would be that switching between the two constantly has diminishing returns and it's better to stick to one gender as not to ruin the body/telomeres with hormone imbalances.

[desert drum]

What If vegapunk likes to be girl, thats the most forefront explanation - and its danced around with myriads of reasons even saying vp pragmatically chooses the Body, despite 'downside', you should Check Out parts of the philosophy of 'transhumanism', maybe Vegapunk, Like Luffy, feels more free with a ~fluid Body!

Maybe VP can disperse into a swarm of robot-bees, we all have these Idea at the Pride Parade 🙂

It already was in Japan.. until it became super Mainstream

No, you dont understand. Japanese society considers normal one piece content ok now, 15 years ago its NSFW because people have a little Bit different mentality towards it because its popular

[desert drum]

Why do you assume gender swapping eats at telomere? Telomere is yet Not a Thing in one piece, and you assume ivankov shortens her lifespan everytime they Switch? I think its fair to assume that that is wrong since adrenaline, T and E are not similar in effects of 'decreasing lifespan', why would they there is no reason

On the other Hand, the exact opposite might be true, because being very old, constant gender swapping might keep VP young

[inner vapor]

The Manga and Anime showed that abuse of the hormones cause your lifespan to shorten, especially when using the healing hormone. Telomere's are part of DNA, rather specific endline on the sex chromosomes of creatures which again brings us to the sex hormones of Testosterone and Estrogen. Considering that Lineage Factor is just DNA with extra steps and Vegapunk is an expert Mechanist/Biologist, it would be weird for him not to know or use something similar. The issue isn't that Testosterone and Estrogen themselves caused a diminished lifespan but the instant abnormal changes the Horu-Horu no Mi causes might damage the chromosomes/DNA of a creature.

While One Piece is psuedo-science focused and you brought up Transgenders, there's a reason why they need to pace themselves when undergoing HRT. Overdoses can cause emotional instability, cysts in organs, and even infertility if not regulated. While Vegapunk wouldn't care about others getting these defects, he wouldn't risk a prime body getting them.

Though in hindsight Vegapunk's idea of a success and failure are weird to say the least. He was able to extract Kaido's DNA/Lineage Factor and make a fully working Uo Uo no Mi: Model Seiyuu Smile Replica but deemed it a failure even though Momonosuke wrecked face after eating it. Cesar Clown admits that the SMILE Fruits have a bias towards cloning Zoans, I wouldn't be surprised if Vegapunk tried to make Paramecia or Logia SMILE Fruits. This is why I believe Impel Down was also used as a DNA Harvesting Facility of Devil Fruit users as Devil Fruits change your Lineage Factor (DNA).

Also the reason I feel that Vegapunk isn't as Pride Parade/LGBTQ+ oriented is that Oda has shown nuance with gender identity with Yamato. While having a villain be LGBTQ+ isn't entirely a bad thing, having one that does it for a more utilitarian reason for immortality where gender is nothing more than a Mengele Experiment would rub people the wrong way.

It would be a slap in the face to have Yamato's entire arc being about discovering their identity as a Transgender Man only to introduce a villain that spits on that entire arc and treats Gender Identity as a Joke/Experiment they would just throw into the trash when it doesn't suit them.

[desert drum]

Thats very subjective of you, how would VP be 'spitting' If they embrace fluidity with their own freaking Body? LGBTQ is not as homogenous as you think: treating gender as an Experiment(why you call it Joke, its an adventure), or even yeah a joke, because its entirely arbitrary to some, is daily experience, which amounts to fluidity. Why would Oda Care If it suits some people who misunderstand sexual liberation entirely?

[desert drum]

So.... No, No slap in the face. I embrace experiment, because essentialism is the enemy of fluidity. Biological as well as identitarian Determinism are misplaced at the Pride, Hope you understand this.
Which also means, it doesnt Matter why and how you perceive your gender, LGBTQ+ includes you automatically If youre Not 'hetero-cis', one of which VP definitely is Not

And yes, even If the jar-brain builds a non-organic Robot Woman, i still consider VP non-cis

[inner vapor]

Vegapunk has been shown to be an immoral scientist who doesn't care about the pain and suffering they cause to people as shown with their work with the Vinsmoke's and the World Government. I don't think making them LGBTQ+ is going to change that for the better nor whitewash their actions as some form of Gender Fluidity acceptance mindset. You have to realize that Vegapunk has been a villain behind the scenes for most of the story and hasn't really been shown otherwise.

Now Oda could change that but I think were jumping the gun to believe Vegapunk sees this as some LGBTQ+ event rather than just another science experiment for their military industrial complex with the World Government.

[desert drum]

What Kind of philoxenism is that? You mean because someone mean cant be free sexually? And all characters at the Pride are somehow 'good'? Thats not transported anywhere, that is your baseless suggestion

Its Not an 'LGBTQ'- Event at all, its Just that LGBTQ doesnt need 'The Event' anymore, its entirely 'normal', to embrace anomality and non-normalcy, bodily.
And that has been the Case for almost the entirety of one piece tbh. This is nothing new coming with yamato.

I understand the beourgoise desire to identify and seperate this though, because its freedom seeping into their concrete idiocy

[inner vapor]

I'll agree that LGBTQ+ people can have their bad apples sure but applying a sense of gender freedom to a person who has gone on record disregarding every other sense of humanity as worthless tools to be discarded at a moments notice is dissonant at best and disingenuous at worst. Again I'm looking at Vegapunk the Character with all their flaws, not Vegapunk the NB/non-Cis as you put it and that's why I think they're doing it more on a mad science bend than any form of gender expression.

[desert drum]

I Said philoxenism for a reason. To explain this, in Germany there is the concept of 'philosemitism', which is a paternalistic making-naive and making-unresponsible of jewish people, which is a Form of anti-semitism, because its still a lie, a clischee about people, which even If some people consider it a 'good clishee' leads to mistreatment of individuals. This is what youre doing.
It is entirely reasonable (and a very Oda Thing) to apply 'a Sense of gender freedom to a Person who has gone in record disregaeding every other Sense of humanity as worthless Tools to be discarded at Moments notice'

So for me, your cry for Tokenism is an Affront, and EVIL LGBTQ is very realistic.
And again: the Mad science Bend is as LGBTQ as it gets, you dont get to decide how much 'emotion' or whatever shall be involved in someones Transition. Alrighty?

[inner vapor]

I'm not looking at tokenism, quite the contrary. You might identify with Vegapunk as Trans/non-Cis and more power to you but I'd see Vegapunk scoff at the idea and just see this as changing clothes if anything. I'm sorry if I've offended you in any way but it's one of those things where even if you identify with them as such, I just don't see the character identifying with those same labels.

[desert drum]

I dont identify with VP, im Not a mad Scientist who probably Experimented on children(impel down Guards)
But there are Things i 'would Not Wish my worst enemy' and that is to Not recognize them. Which people attempt to do very hard, since they saw VPs Body(or one of them)

[ocean totem]

So does anybody think Blackbeard and Vegapunk have a connection since they both seem to have a connection to snow islands?

Maybe BB was experimented on which could explain his weird body being able to contain more than 1 fruit and the loss of his ability to sleep

[desert drum]

Do we know on which Island Whitebeard found the orphan teach? My theory is that teach was somehow present for the Battle of God Valley, and escaped before it was erased. He rooted for Rocks to kill Roger and Garp, because he was stronger from Teeches Point of View.(which could be diametrically opposite to what strength might be considered in Roger or luffy)

[plucky kiln]

Blackbeard was 2 years old during God Valley so I put my doubts on that.

[desert drum]

Damn.. If He Heard about it later it Lacks Impact

[plucky kiln]

Unless someone like shanks was to luffy existed and convinced Blackbeard. We don't know where he comes from. I think WB found teach in the new world first. Maybe he was born in beehive and maybe ochoku who apparently was alive had some connection to BB

[analog sun]

Luffy was born 2+ years after Roger died and inherited his will pretty impactfully imo

[wraith shard]

New theory I just thought of about Vegapunk and their form:

When Vegapunk meets the SHs, they'll be mostly upset at Franky. Vegapunk will reveal that Franky's explosion at Baldimore destroyed their original body even if the two never came across each other on the island. However, thanks to a DF that allows Vegapunk to be immortal as long as their brain is in tact, Vegapunk was able to crawl as a brain into a new body. However, the body turned out to be a female android and with the appearance of a woman but the voice of an old man, Vegapunk was humiliated by some Marines even though they were still praised for their works. So basically, Vegapunk would want payback against Franky the most, but I bet the mood will turn when Franky kisses Vegapunk like he did with that one vacuum woman in Dressrosa. It's something I thought of today, but I'm sure it has some holes.

[wraith shard]

Thoughts on what I posted?

[pure raven]

It is an interesting theory. But it's not one I'd go for.

I personally prefer Franky's bullshit on Baldimore to be funky SUUUUPER bullshit. Rather than turn out that he nearly killed the person whom's knowledge he used to upgrade himself and the Sunny.

That would be a rather dark turn and a funky semi-gay kiss is one very stupid way to get out of it.

[wraith shard]

Just trying to tie the usual OP humor into this.

[pure raven]

It would depend on Vegapunk's character. If they have some tsundere side to them or something like that it would work. Otherwise at best it'd be weird and at worst... well nah it probably just be weird.

[mental eagle]

so franky kisses an old dude?

[wraith shard]

It's One Piece and Anime Humor. He kissed an ugly fat woman in Dressrosa.

It was just a prediction.

[muted swallow]

I don' think so. Franky's antics in Dressrosa were relevant and humorous since it was connected to his fight with Senor Pink. It'd just be akward if he kissed Vegapunk then and there without any setup or strong motivation.

[wraith shard]

We're gonna have to wait and see, but I remembered the kiss and Franky's charisma check.

[muted swallow]

Still, it'd be funny tho coz it's Franky we're talking about

[ebon idol]

why are you shipping franky with an old man?

[wraith shard]

I'm not. Just predicting how the situation would defuse.

[ebon idol]

no judgement, you like what you like just want to understand the argument for franky to kiss her other than it being a joke

[wraith shard]

Because it worked on Kyuin in Dressrosa.

[ebon idol]

oh that, would be a weird running gag if franky just goes around kissing random woman

[wraith shard]

And he has character too. I mean he runs around in speedos/underwear.

[ebon idol]

he just likes going to the beach a lot, nothing wrong there

[desert drum]

No, Franky is a pervert. Hen-tai means Change Form, and 'perversion' when He says 'hen-tai' He is always proud about anouncing him being a pervert, but sometimes people Like Nero get it wrong and think He Just Changes Form
This is repeatedly clarified in the manga

[white locust]

What if the devil fruit is a Time Capsule from the void century. Since we know that the zoan are spirts of animals trapped inside fruits. What if all devil fruits are things from the void century. Then if vegapunk knows everything about devil fruits. Devil fruits are Time Capsules from the more advanced void century. That is why vegapunk is in the said to be from the future.

[ebon idol]

he just likes changing form, not a pervert, he's a good guy that just likes to go to the pool and scream hentai

[steady prism]

Theory: The Fruits of Vegapunk's DF Research

Among Vegapunk's dozens of milestones, he has successfully discovered lineage factors and learned how devil fruits (df) affect them. Armed with that knowledge, it makes sense that he was able to make objects eat dfs; he was essentially exploring if objects have some sort of pseudo-lineage factor inherently and if there's a way to induce the "chemical reaction" that leads to an object mimicking the effects of "consuming" a zoan df. What's interesting about that is how much "the will" of a zoan devil fruit can fully manifest itself in that object; I'd speculate that there is no other "competing" personality for the devil fruit to "merge" with, therefore this devil fruit manifests its will as-is with no alteration. However, there is still the pseudo-lineage factor that was discovered in objects, which is merged one way or another. Lassoo and Funkfreed are examples of objects that ate zoan dfs.

Although most of Vegapunk's success comes from zoan devil fruits, it is well within reason that he has been researching other devil fruits and how they affect a user's lineage factor. With his Pacifista development, we've learned that he was able to turn Kuma into a cyborg with no free will by Marineford. We learn that cyborgs can have their free will removed (among other things) and can still wield its former paramecia df powers. In other words, there’s this “sliding scale” between Zoan dfs and Paramecia dfs and the “amount of machine” necessary to make an obedient soldier.

There are still a lot of missing gaps (how are Seraphim made, if Logias are possible, etc). But seeing that Shark in 1061 made me wonder if he's "perfecting" artificial zoan dfs (ie suppressing its free will) and is thus experimenting with androids consuming these dfs to make mecha-animals whose primal desires are overridden, which was something he used to work on as a kid. Anyway, that's it for me ~

[fading viper]

With his Pacifista development, we've learned that he was able to slowly turn Kuma from a cyborg (still has some biological parts) to an android (no biological parts) by Marineford.

Slight correction on this one, Kuma was still flesh and blood at Marineford. His mind is the only thing that's gone, the Pacifistas are all still cyborgs

[pure raven]

Kuma was very much a cyborg throughout. During Thriller Bark it was shown when Zoro cut him. (or to be precise, could not)

The only difference between normal pacifistas and Kuma was the replacement of the light beams with the his devil fruit.

[primal cargo]

Yes, the point is that Kuma never changed from cyborg to full machine. Meaning he is not an example of an "object" with DF powers

He still fulfills the same role as a DF-using android as far as blindly obeying orders goes, and more like him could be (and may have been) made.
Except for the potential issue of "primal instincts" that was brought up last chapter.

[zealous ingot]

I think people tend to forget that the Pacifistas never were pure machines either.

As shown by the fact they could bleed in Sabaody

[steady prism]

Yep, you and everyone else that mentioned it are absolutely correct. Fixed.

[fathom matrix]

It would be funny if there was a moment where bonnie gets angry and threatens to beat up Vegapunk, only for Vegapunk to say "oh, I have a backup file of Kuma"

But I can see Vega having actually having one

[lavish snow]

Vivi is an ancient weapon and she bring back the dead similar to moriah but more stronger and no shadow, this is due to her last name being nefertari which is similar to the Egyptian queen, and this is why Imu wants her, so they can ressurect someone

Thus calling it Uranus , ruler of the underworld because it can resurrect the dead

We see Alabasta is themed heavily in Egyptian culture, which also makes sense.

Throughout the Egyptian there’s a large fascination of the afterlife , so it would make sense for Oda to link the two

Another thing is possible: EVIL VIVI, ViVi gets possessed by the spirit of the old king, and that’s why Imu wanted her ALIVE.

[iron current]

even though its an interesting idea, wouldnt it make more sense for the 3 weapons to represent sea (Poseidon) earth/underworld (Pluton) and sky (Uranus), im not against the idea of Vivi being an Ancient Weapon, but the resurrection part feels kinda off to me, im also pretty sure i have read before that Oda isnt very keen on resurrecting characters, but besides that an interesting idea

[pure raven]

Who is the old king? The coc king guy?

[honest marten]

Uranus is ruler of the sky, Pluton is the underworld.

[fathom matrix]

it could be a case where she's the only eir left to the nefeltari throne, so Imu may want to just manipulate her, yaknow?

[lavish snow]

In all of Alabasta we see no pharaoh, why do you think that persay

[fathom matrix]

well, the main theme is egypt but there's already kings and queen. Pharaoh is just an egptian king

[shut lantern]

So I saw that oda said that a strawhat will be killed before the end of the story who do you guys think is most likely to?

I personally think it’s usopp when they get to elbaf just because it makes the most sense for his character

[valid dagger]

If I am correct that was before they replace ship so it may be going merry

[shut lantern]

Oh yeah nvm

It would still contribute to the story more if a member of the crew was killed off right before or when they get to laughtale

[valid dagger]

Bro he didn't kill kinemon and many others who should be dead... So I doubt he will kill some sh they all have dream to achive

[shut lantern]

There are some character where some dream will be achieved before others for example usopp and possibly Zoro

[valid dagger]

He can do that and be responsible for depression of many people and fan's 🤣

But someone realy need to die so law can use his df

[lavish snow]

Also look at the two kingdoms, Alabasta and fishman very opposite like night and day, the other is void of water, the other one was sun like the gods. It also makes sense for vivi to be in connection with the ancient weapon as we were firstly introduce in Alabasta

[steady prism]

Nefetari is the name of the first wife of Ramses II. The Nefetari family were the custodians of a poneglyph that revealed the secret of the location of the ancient weapon Pluton. They rule Alabasta, which has characters inspired by ancient egyptian mythology. Oda not using the term "pharoah" when describing King Cobra shouldn't cheapen all the other egyptian lore/culture he used to design Alabasta.

Among the major dieties in the Egyptian pantheon, the ones that are related to death/resurrection is fairly limited to Osiris and Anubis. Assuming you meant Gecko Moria when you said "moriah", there's nothing suggesting she has any sort of latent powers nor eaten a df related to resurrection. On the other hand, like you said, could Imu want to use Vivi ressurect someone into her body? It's possible. But who is this "old king" you mention?

Like Azure said, Uranus is not a diety related to "bringing back the dead". The Romans called Hades (God of the Underword) Pluto, which explains the origin of the ancient weapon Pluton's name. I'm interested to hear why you think she's an ancient weapon, but I don't think there's a lot of cannon evidence to support it one way or another.

[elder mesa]

What do you mean by lack of water if Fishman Island is literally Unerwater city

[steady prism]

They meant it the opposite way; lack of water in Alabasta.

I get that there are contrary themes but that's not enough to argue that Vivi is an ancient weapon like Shirahoshi (which is what they're implying afaik). Shirahoshi has 800 years of history that explains why she's an ancient weapon.

[shut lantern]

I think he means alabasta had too much sun but no water and fish man had too much water but no sun

[elder mesa]

Oooh i see, they are opposite

[elder mesa]

Fr, we dont have enough info around Uranus ...
Probably because we never reached that island yet..
Only hits we have is around the 2 actual weapons we know, and we still lack a lot about Pluton..

[raw laurel]

do you think we may get backstory for kuina this arc since tashigi is here ?
I doubt it but something just feels weird.

Gags aside.
Zoro backstory feels very un oda like.

Luffy had a big flesh out backstory with shanks only to reveal later a whole mess of things.

Nami, bellemere her mother gave her life so that her daughters can see another day. Nami origin from the island she was born on night also be relevant some day but right now bellemere is good enough.

Ussop. Lost his mother due to an illness while his father was being a bad day I mean falling his call for piracy ( but in seriousness I think there’s more there )

And sanji. Starved fo near death while zeff gave up all food to sanji and ate his own leg to survive and then we learn of germa.

Zoro - his rival randomly falls down stairs.

Tf!?

I understand Zoro needed a motivation and a sad backstory but it felt so sudden and out of character for kuina that it just feels like a cheap way to push zoro.

I always assumed it was code for suicide but even then would oda go there ?

[ashen surge]

Zoro's story is all about becoming a master of his tools, he doesn't need a complex backstory

[modest skiff]

I feel like its essentially inconceivable that Kuina/Tashigi are identical and yet nothing ever comes of that. As for where that goes, I have no idea. But it is too startling to just be left alone forever

[lucid grail]

I think Oda planned at the beginning of one piece for Tashigi to reveal herself as Kuina later on, but he scratched the idea

I don't think we will ever get an explanation for who Down D. Stairs might be

[modest skiff]

I have considered that idea, but then i thought that her always being 2 steps ahead of zoro growing up, only to be his extreme inferior later on in life, didn't make sense. I don't know. There's basically zero evidence for any Tashigi theory, so I just shrug my shoulders and move on

[lucid grail]

Maybe severe case of amnesia, if she remembers she is kuina, her old skills will return etc.
It was possible for Oda to write it in a good way, but he most likely shrugged it off and that's it

[desert drum]

I think further Details into zoros character will play with the taoism-budhism theme, in which something like a mystical mirror that stirs chaos and brings tranquility has alot metaphorical Power - the ironic overtone of one piece breaks this into several pieces one of which is zoros own perception: If Zoro had not met tashigi, kuina, thus his own place in the world, weighs differently - what we expect to see next is how. The thing with Monet was hilarious, because from an outside perspective it looked like Zoro would actually demean women based on their supposedly inferior strength, which could not have been further from the truth because we got to learn that Monet didnt fear death she even welcomed it, so zoro scaring her like he did was the only way to really 'beat her' !indiscriminately. I think this 'misconception' of Zoro, which tashigi has, might Set Up for alot of encounters, which are more shrouded than alot of semi predictable one piece theories, because of the deliberte 'mystery/mysticism'

Part of which is his conquerers haki, which i assume is related to him knowing stuff Like "Monet doesnt fear Death, she is the martyr-type"
Maaaybe one hint we can look at might be 'what completely defeats tashigi'? If its Not a swordfight, i guess it would be her perception of Justice. There would be alot more to it until now, then.

[stiff hinge]

If i remember right, they said Pluton was able to destroy an entire island, we know that one of the ancient weapons is a person (Shirahoshi), so i'd think that the one person able to destroy singlehandedly an island with no trace would be the weapon himself (Imu)

[errant walrus]

Brook already died? going Merry died also

[pure raven]

i think imu is the same race as king

[cerulean trout]

Well how do u feel now after writing all that

[robust plinth]

ok so
I've accepted that each of the Ancient weapons should correspond to an important supporting character the SH's/Luffy have met and bonded with.

Poseidon - Shirahoshi, ofc
Pluton - Momonosuke
Uranus - Vivi

I'm still trying to figure out how Vivi is connected to Uranus, but probably something to do with her bloodline and that's the key to piloting it.
But also, thematically i've been trying to understand how Momo, Wano and maybe Zou as well thematically fit a giant battleship hahaha

What's interesting too is, i think people assumed for some reason that Pluton was buried on Alabasta for the longest time, when all along it was Wano, and it's more like Uranus that is connected to the Nerfertati family.
(i guess culturally too, Japan was known for having quite a sea fleet at some point in war time history, and maybe that's how Oda is connecting it to Wano in his head)?

[modest skiff]

I’m not sure what you mean. Can you elaborate?

[copper frost]

you replied to a message/theory that was written an year ago with some stupid comment that doesn't discuss anything to do with the actual content of the theory?

or was it about the speculation that the weapon that destroyed the island of lulusia was uranus?

[primal cargo]

That's an extremely specific theory, but sure I love bird Uranus.
No Egghead ?

[harsh saffron]

Is pure speculation not allowed here?

My post wasn’t a joke, I’ve been thinking, and I am genuinely considering the possibility of the original Joyboy being a sea king. With the gomu gomu no mi actually being a zoan type human fruit, we can suspend all disbelief regarding his original form. And it would make sense for him to be a sea king for multiple reasons. His connection to the original Poseidon, as well as Zunesha are both clues to me. My original message was deleted for being a joke, but no this is a genuine hypothesis I have.

[iron current]

no you just have to actually formulate it into a theory, otherwise if you make a statement like that its more something for #manga-serious or the other 2 manga channels i think

[harsh saffron]

So I can’t just say stuff like “Shanks wants to eat Luffy” without further elaboration. Got it, thanks. New here.

[iron current]

see the problem is, as far as we know all the fruit does is giving your the properties of rubber, we dont know if someone not human would turn into a human, so if he stayed as a sea king he couldnt stay in the sea anymore because he cant swim anymore, it just seems unlikely for me but i guess its possible

[modest skiff]

Sorry for the misunderstanding. Basically the idea here is that this channel is for long form theories with lots of evidence and stuff like that, whereas developed speculation or in depth other ideas are put in #manga-serious . Also since we saw his silhouette, it felt like a joke for him to be a seaking.

When chopper ate his human fruit, I don’t think he looked like a full on human. So it feels unlikely that a seaking would look very human. But in general, this channel is for stuff like this: #manga-theories message

We make exceptions here and there, but we try to keep the more general speculation in #manga-serious

[cerulean trout]

No bc joyboy is connected to the strawhat, how should a seaking be able to wear a strawhat

[tulip sorrel]

The Straw hat is a map of the world.

The red lining is the Red Line

[pure raven]

Why is the world so yellow and so Undetailed

[sacred hawk]

I have to ask something. You know the idea that arcs like Skypeia are essentially a microcosm of the One Piece plot as a whole? What if the final arc is essentially a larger-scale version of the kingdom saving arcs, except the kingdom this time is the whole world?

And we end up getting a situation where every faction of the One Piece world, Pirates and Marines alike, end up pulling up Avengers Endgame style to help save the world from some ultimate threat from the Void Century?

[rose spoke]

Just seen a theory that said Mihawk was son to Rayleigh and Shakky, any comment?

[unique hornet]

Zoro is way stronger than King.

Not extreme diff maybe high-mid

[modest skiff]

Just fyi you may have posted this in the wrong channel on accident. This is a good thing to post in #manga but this channel is intended to not have power scaling

[unique hornet]

ok sorry

[modest skiff]

No worries, just letting you know

[robust plinth]

i'm also not sure if this is meant to go in this channel, based on the channel info/rules.
But do want to add, that would be an interesting backstory detail to support Shanks and Mihawk being close friends.

[pure raven]

Yeah i think this will happen 😂. I mean the scale is increasing rapidly now luffy need tough opponents so basically it should be mind blowing.

[pure raven]

Look i get it that you want some Zoro time. Yeah i think has mom or dad or someone who can play key role in near future. Even if not then he does have everything right hand man needs. He went against kaido and others. Ofcourse his closed eyes are mystery but it would be epic when it gets opened.

[raw laurel]

That’s not what I’m saying at all

[icy sapphire]

i have a theory that zunesha appeared in wano to destroy the borders but momo has told zunesha that the borders shall remain for now and that’s why zunesha left, maybe also the crime that zunesha has committed had something to do with creating the borders of wano and keeping the ancient weapon in protection/hiding

[tired depot]

@brazen comet

[steady prism]

!theories

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, power scaling, bounty predictions or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description. Posts here must be in paragraph form, preferably with evidence, not just a one line open question.

[upper tulip]

Not really a theory but if ussopp will become the bravest warrior in the world he should have conquerors haki and if he does have it I believe he will be the first person to coat his bullets in his advance conquerors essence

[plucky kiln]

its not really a theory but there are a lot things against this. Most people in the one piece fandom want to make the SHs like other shounens main protagonists crew. The SHs don't have to become strong. They are fairly strong, some way stronger than others. But Ussop learning to coat advanced conquerors haki ?! Even among the conquerors users it is a rarity to be able to coat it. People take haki way too granted. Luffy is a fucking talent and beast. Zoro and Sanji too. All three of them were monsters for mastering the basics of haki in just 2 years. In their cases their combat experience before becoming SHs most likely was important too and increased their "talent" with haki.

[rapid nexus]

YOOOO I CANT BELIEVE THIS JUST HIT ME. This Vegapunk is just a protoje, and admires vegapunk. Just like how Yamato introduced herself as Oden when we first met her. She genuinely thinks she is vegapunk

[grim oyster]

what if shes like a clone or something? like she really is vegapunk biologically but she isnt the original

[jagged yacht]

i saw panels of both Sora and judge and saw neither of them have curly eyebrows then this thought occurred maybe curles come from dna manipulation since devil fruits also have change in their lineage factor so they have swirls around them and since all germa kids had their DNA changed they got curly eyebrows

[upper tulip]

True that but at the end of the day this "talent" is their iron will haki in itself is a representation of their will and ussopp isn't a coward either heck his biggest moment when he sustained the injury to save Luffy and said he will defo be the king of pirates can even be compared to zoros nothing happened

[balmy island]

mizu mizu no mi is kept by the world government (like how gomu was) hence we never saw a water fruit kthx

[tepid mango]

i think water fruits don't exist because of the ocean curse

[balmy island]

that's the thing, mizu mizu is the only fruit that has immunity to the 'ocean curse'

[tepid mango]

If the ocean hates devil fruits, why would there be one that would be immune to it? because i dont think that that water curse is just a random thing just thrown in there, We would have been given a reason for it AGES ago, it has to have some meaning

[balmy island]

i mean mizu mizu would most likely be a logia so it makes sense for it to be immune to the ocean

[tepid mango]

It wouldn't make sense

over 25 years of knowing the devil fruit properties, why all of a sudden would there be adevil fruit that defies it?

there has to be some potential in the curse, otherwise it would look willy-nilly

[iron bolt]

over 25 years of knowing the gomu gomu no mi actually wait a minute….. oda fools people why put it out of his bag to do something similar again with a water water fruit

i saw a theory of the water water fruit saying that they fell in the ocean and to not be affected by it. they used their logia power and transformed into water becoming “one with the ocean” and that nullified the affects the ocean usually has. since the ocean is so vast he/she lost touch with their consciousness being spread apart so far (something like that saw this theory a while ago) how much i believe it? idk very low

[tepid mango]

yeah, it does fit in with oda's writing style, but it doesn't feel like it's doing the plot a service

[steady prism]

!theories

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, power scaling, bounty predictions or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description. Posts here must be in paragraph form, preferably with evidence, not just a one line open question.

[steady prism]

@balmy island @iron bolt @tepid mango in the future, discussions like this should be in #manga-serious or #manga . If you have a well-thought out theory on the water-water df, it’d be awesome to read about it here

[vocal heron]

Pretty sure it’s just a funny gag but there could be implications later down

But franky burnt those blueprints and didn’t built it into the sunny

[plucky kiln]

After Robin told the crew about Pluton being in Wano I think franky has made clear that he himself couldn't really imagine for a ship like that to exist. Even after 2 years of studying vegapunks technology. He looked pretty surprised or intimidated by the fact that it would be real. He probably remembers how its built, but I think its the lack of certain materials to build the ship. Maybe the materials will be the limitation of Plutons extent, because theoretically if the wrong people get the blue prints they could just create an army of plutons. However if the materials are rare, it might be impossible. Sea Stone could play a role in here

[distant sorrel]

I think it’s a clone or cyborg because it says punk 02 on her

[pallid night]

Dr. Vegapunk is trans. I came up with this theory while high off my ass and I need to share it with the world

Ight so before the reveal every time we hear of Vegapunk the picture is always of this old or middle aged man, but now we see her as a young woman. I'm thinkin what if she changed herself into a woman probably on accident through an experiment or some shit but decided to keep the form because of the lither fingers making more delicate mechanical/scientific work easier or some other reasons

This is probably easily disproven but I like it

[last sonnet]

Im thinking its more likely that Vegapunk is a title passed down from master to student OR the conscious of the original Vegapunk is in multiple bodies which would give a reason why her outfit has 2 on it OR all the knowledge and memories are passed on to a new body when one expires/dies

[hushed meteor]

Trans my rear end! "Vegapunk" Shes just a cyborg created by him and Vegapunk is a long head tribe scientist

[hoary hatch]

We assume Vegapunk is "long head" tribe because of one early pic that didn't show them completely. But we have seen Kaido, Big Mom and every single one of the Warlords look completely different than their first pics. And the 11 Supernovas thing was something that was thought up at the very last moment, with no plans on what to do with the characters. So if the actual Dr. Vegapunk looks very different from what we assumed, this would not be a first for the series. Likewise, there is little evidence for the trans theory, but I would not consider impossible either. (Besides, if the original Dr. Vegapunk built/grew a new body for themselves, Franky style, it would be dangerous to assume that they would have to look like a long-head tribe member. We don't know how much they are capable of changing their appearance.)

[pure raven]

hey you guys remember when kid shanks cried while talking with roger?

Then shanks cried.

Years went by and we see Shanks look at the Gum Gun fruit emotionlessly.

Wouldn't it be cool if Roger's last order was to protect the fruit from anybody's hands until he can find the most suitable person to have it?

And Shanks also heard about Luffy's dream

Back when Shanks met with Whitebeard, Shanks told Whitebeard about why he sacrificed his left arm to the new generation, well, obviously to Luffy.

Does that mean that Shanks invested on Luffy's future and decided to nonchalantly give him the opportunity to eat the Gum Gum fruit?

However, it could turn out differently.

Shanks was serious when he said "Isn't it the time? We take One Piece?" to Beckmann.

Oda might be foreshadowing Shanks to become the last villain, the last hurdle of Luffy.

Also, Luffy said he's going to beat Shanks when he said he's gonna beat the Four Emperors in Punk Hazard.

Ultimately, Shanks could be the most selfish person this way.

Or he just wanna test out if Roger was right. His captain, after all, Buggy kept on doubting his Captain sometimes like when they fought with Golden Lion Shikki. But Shanks had the most ultimate doubt (far off, but it could happen) to his Captain. But then he cried because he respected him so much.

[hot wedge]

guys what if the first user of toki toki no mi time traveled to the past discovering toki isnt the only devil fruit, so he or she gave his or her friend, joyboy the gomu gomu no mi and since most joyful people have the greatest imagination, he imagined the creation of devil fruits, sea kings and other stuff. since the toki user was angry at him for creating madness the toki user went back in time to brainwash joyboys imagination making the fruits have a weakness aka sea stuff. also since the toki user was the first it was immediately awakened and the toki toki no mi couldve possibly time traveled as well cuz devil fruits have a will of their own (bad theory but i mean its cool)

[candid stratus]

I think the fact that Oda said you can only travel into the future is where this theory falls apart. It's a law he set for his universe and I doubt he intends to break that rule because he would also break everything else along with it.

[iron current]

yeah, with limiting the time time fruit he circumvented a lot of bullshit that comes with being able to go in the past, so many loopholes that get created if you can go in both directions

[candid stratus]

And he was very adamant when saying it can only go forward in time

[maiden delta]

I mean he really just fixed time travel and made it not complicated. No different timelines or any of that

[tranquil estuary]

What if tequila wolf is a bridge that connect around the world at both ends of the red line

and Imu, had it started at the end of the void century. Imu has a curse and is the farthest away from water. On top of the red line. The bridge would allow him/her to travel across or something?

Another thing ive been thinking about is Nami's climatact. How is it able to store Zeus in it??? something similar to putting a devil fruit in a weapon.

[candid stratus]

There’s a bunch of ways that allow flight in OP and as someone who is above everything I doubt Im would have trouble obtaining one and just flying. Using a bridge for that seems silly. I would think souls have the ability to posses anything so zeus could posses a rock if he wanted to, he just chose the climatact. He’s been living there for a while even in the end of WCI.

[misty citrus]

I think Blackbeard captured Koby to create an alliance with Cross Guild, specifically through Alvida so he could get her Sube Sube no Mi. His plan was to use her fruit so he could have the same resistances as other Logia users, and to create a new body so he could use Mero Mero no Mi.

[pure raven]

I can see a temp alliance but I doubt they’ll be compatible and Alvida isn’t that major in the cross guild

[misty citrus]

Yeah the Alliance wouldn't last at all, Teach would just be using them

[candid stratus]

Why would be Koby needed for the alliance. Yeah he knew Alvida but do you really think she gave two fu*** about him? I'd wager a bet she wouldn't even remember him or she wouldn't recognize him. They both hated each other so if anything they would make it worse.

[rapid nexus]

And also, alvida and buggy is obviously a joke… teech is too smart for that. I think hes trying to draw out luffy and trap him some way, or draw out a special marine like garlic or something

[candid stratus]

Then I would wonder does Teech know Luffy and Koby are friends. I don't think so unless I'm missing something

[pure raven]

He doesn't, nobody does apart from SH,garp and maybe dressosa royals

[dapper lantern]

Are there any theories on what disease Roger caught and how?

[weak arrow]

I'd say there are some people leaning towards Cocting, otherwise known as advance conqueror's haki having a negative impact on your health. We see both Roger being ill as well as Whitebeard, so that's where it mostly comes from.

[pure raven]

They wouldn’t follow an alliance teach tho. They know his history

[severe sequoia]

Kaido and Big Mom dont seem to be getting sick from cocting so I doubt its related to WB and Roger sickness

[weak arrow]

We dont know how often they use it. BM probably almost never. Kaido probably uses it often, but his hardiness is one of his character traits

[misty citrus]

What if Imu used ACoC to control the weapon he used to destroy Lulusia? What if that's the Treasure of Marijoa and that's why the Immortality Surgery is required?

[severe sequoia]

Its not like Roger and WB were using it more frequently, then theres Shanks as well who is about same age as Roger when he died and not getting sick

[weak arrow]

Roger and Whitebeard were always fighting people pre-yonko status. Once you become a yonko, you sort of stop fighting people as sitting on your ass to not disturb the peace is sort of the job description. We dont know how late into Shanks' career he unlocked advanced conquerors

[misty citrus]

Yeah, though with Kaido and Big Mom's downfalls the Yonko will be fighting all the time now

[weak arrow]

As we see with big mom, she doesn’t fight with her advanced conquerors against kid and law. Maybe the rationale behind it is she knows it makes you sick with overuse.

Kaido plans on dying soon anyway so he doesn’t care about possible aftereffects

[severe sequoia]

I am pretty sure Kaido and BM did their fair share of fighting during their prime being in Rocks and all. It was during the same time as WB and Roger. Was it with cocting? Who knows, but we its the same with WB and Roger, we dont know when they got cocting in their career. It might be possible that its bad for your health, we will see once we get there in the story.

[misty citrus]

Thoughts? Would be interesting if using Advanced Conquerors does make you sick

[soft urchin]

would be a pretty lame power tho

[candid stratus]

I don't like this theory mostly because it doesn't make much sense

[deft sierra]

It doesn’t

[desert drum]

Weve only Seen big Mom use conquerers coating against Page one and ulti, i think. Can someone confirm?

[modest skiff]

Also vs Kaido, but please ask questions like this in the manga channel rather than here in the future

[candid stratus]

serious question. Can we not chat about the theories in this chat? I think his question was regarding the theory debated above. If it was I think he should be able to talk about it here. If it was a random question then obviously not, but I think it was connected...

[modest skiff]

yeah, if its related, you can always ask questions, it just didn't seem related.

[frail zephyr]

Here’s my theory on Koby being missing

What if Kuzan/Aokiji has something to do with it? We do know that Kuzan is technically apart of the blackbeard pirates now and thus he could have been in the fight against Boa (Maybe just like in the ship and wasn’t revealed yet in the manga)

We know that Koby randomly went missing during Hancock vs BB. I feel as though perhaps Kuzan maybe took Koby with him, separate from BB. It’s safe to assume that Kuzan isn’t ACTUALLY working for BB (as in being on his side) and perhaps he knew of Koby’s bravery (When he defied Akainu during Marineford) thus he wanted to save Koby.

I feel like if this were to happen it’d be a really good way to integrate Kuzan back into the story since we definitely have some mysteries around him.

[candid stratus]

We debated this just a few days ago. My theory is that Kuzan is actually a part of sword as well. Coby didn't really go missing it was implied he got captured by Blackbeard and the details of that are blurry. I would assume he gave himself to minimise the damage and diffuse the situation+ to possibly meet with Aokiji for whatever reason. He might end up saving Koby or rather use this moment as a means to pull off whatever he intends to. Who knows it might even be connected to the last poneglyph and the man with the scar (could be Aokiji as well, my man got very scarred in his fight with Akainu)

[barren igloo]

two things: do we think that since Coby was commanding the seraphim that BB has possession of them now by virtue of capturing Coby?

also, how could I find out what the translation for bonnie’s referral to vegapunk is in this panel? My hunch for the character reveal is that vegapunk has a daughter who is also a doctor so they’d technically have the same name…

[ebon idol]

I would say that marines that we saw on that chapter with boa or the base where Tashigi is would have mentioned anything regarding a seraphim being kidnapped, also Helmeppo mentions them being in possession of seraphims whom I assume are the two from amazon lily
as for the other question, I don't speak japanese

[barren igloo]

yeah, I was thinking that if the seraphim isn’t technically open information yet then that’s something they may not discuss (also tashigi and doll didn’t have sword titles)j and also, if they have more than the 2 from amazon lily that would be what helmeppo was referring to

My thought is that there is both the number 12 on the robot and also vega force 1, so each vega force is likely to have a commander and each of them is part of the vegapunk family’s

[ebon idol]

Yeah it could be a famlily matter even if I think it's going to be a case of a russian doll. Vegapunk is going to be a little man inside the skull of this girl who herself is inside the giant robot.
as for seraphim, I geniunely don't think they've been captured, and even if Tashigi doesn't know, at least sword members should mention it

[misty citrus]

We know from the Ace cover story that Lulucia Kingdom's milk is their main export and it's considered good milk. The Marines were huge fans of it. Maybe it eventually got to Mariejois and Imu was a big fan of the milk? When Lulucia rebelled they stopped paying the Heavenly Tribute and probably stopped exporting commodities like milk to the WG. May be a Big Mom situation and Imu is such a tyrant he would destroy the entire kingdom over some milk.

[flint juniper]

doubt it

[candid stratus]

Well shouldn't Sentomaru then also be Vegapunks family? Since he had the pacifistas under him? I'm pretty sure the Seraphim are open information. Everyone and their grandmother at least in the marines knows that they abolished the seven warlords system because they were confident Vegapunks new invention (the Seraphims) will be strong enough to replace them.

[candid stratus]

Another translation of this is "Vegapunk's the reason I'm here. We've got business" I assume Bonnie doesn't know Vegapunks actual identity and the business she wants to do is revenge for Kuma. I'd guess Vegapunk will explain what happened and since we've always assumed he/she will eventually prove to be a good guy Bonnie will "forgive" him/her

[hard bane]

I feel like we might see the return of "Water Luffy" from Alabasta with a Gear 5 twist sooner or later. perhaps when fighting the user of a theoretical "water logia" fruit. a water logia would still be a few years down the road, but we're getting pretty close to endgame now and if it's going to show up (I think it will, just after egghead and elbaf) then water luffy just makes sense as the natural counter luffy is going to throw at it

[desert drum]

I guess it was about the pronoun 'em (them) which is a gender neutral pronoun but only the english Translation uses it - japanese uses pronouns very rarely and in this case none was used, too

[candid stratus]

Well 'em could also be him. For her it would be 'er. But my point is another translation is completely neutral. It's likely it was also said in a neutral way in japanese because it keeps it a mystery which is clearly what Oda is doing

[pure raven]

What if luffy is related to rocks. Both dragon and rocks look extremly alike and rocks is based on a real person forgot his name but he was brazilian and in an sbs section oda said that luffy would be brazilian and zoro would be japanese nami swedish you get the point

[slender fulcrum]

No I think it's more like shanks know that two Emperors fell, their poneglyph might be accessible to anyone and not well guarded anymore. So that mean that there are more ppl who may be able to go to Laugh Tale, or to target Luffy and Robin.

Thus, even if Shanks believe in Luffy, he doesn't want any random event pushing the One Piece in the wrong hands. He'll secure it before. Question remains. How do people who can't read poneglyph knows that those indicate the road to laugh tale ?

[rough imp]

Okay so we see how imu erased an island and so who says that she didn’t do that to god valley and god valley had to be erased because it had something valuable in it, maybe Maryjous treasure????

[modest skiff]

This channel is intended for paragraph form theories like the ones found in the stickies. But thought like this are entirely fine for #manga-serious or #manga

[slender fulcrum]

What we know :

• Imu used ( Uranus ? ) to punish people who rebelled against the WG or who could pose a threat to the balance of the world
• Imu likely erased God Valley for two of the following reasons above
• We know that Garp, Roger and Rocks battled there.
• We also know that there were CD with slaves there

Conclusion : there was something on God that Xebec probably thought and uncovered and that should have stayed hidden. Rock was dealt with so the secret might have died with him but to avoid any witness, Imu erased the island just in case. Unlikely that Garp saw it or he would have been dealt with too, or he knows but avoid talking about it to anyone. It's even possible that both Garp and Roger knew it and that's a secret they share and made them " friendly foes " on the long term.
This secret might have been secured in Marijoie after.
I'll extend my theory by saying that, somehow, BB found the log book of Xebec and uncovered this secret.

[candid stratus]

It's implied Uranus is the weapon that got used to destroy God valley. Similar to what happened with Lulusia kingdom now. I assume that wasn't Imu's power, but Uranus. I would be surprised if there was a fourth ancient weapon. There's a theory that states we have 3 ancient weapons one to rule each plane. The ground or the sea level so a sort of boat (Pluton which is currently in wano), underground or underwater (Poseidon) and then the skies which would be Uranus (if it was Uranus that they used to destroy Lulusia it was definitely from the sky so that works out)

[fluid pier]

Yooo I have a theory. Is it an possible that shanks is joyboy. because in manga when zunesha says joyboy is here. shanks was around the island of wano. if luffy is following the path of pirate king roger, it would implies that he couldn't have been joyboy who's story they are following.

i have been one piece fan for long time, the possibility that oda put a big twist like this is really huge.

[candid stratus]

What are you talking about. It's very clearly implied Luffy is Joyboy. Well not exactly. It's that Joyboy had the same df as Luffy and the sound he makes when awakening in gear 5th, is what Zunesha refers to with the drums of liberation

[pseudo marlin]

The One Piece

One Piece is a picture book hand drawn by Joyboy. It contains the historical knowledge, which would make the history one piece again. But because it is hand drawn, it is probably very crude, and that is why roger and his crew barely understood it, thus, Roger saying that he wish he lived during Joyboy's time so that he would have witnessed it himself instead of drawing conclusions from Joyboy's crude drawings, and that is also the reason why Rayleigh said that maybe the Strawhats would come up with a different conclusion as them, because they were looking at hand drawn historical record.

In some aspects, accurate historical knowledge is more valuable than gold and is considered a priceless treasure.

One Piece. A crudely hand drawn history picture book by Joyboy, with drawings similar to Luffy's when he tried to draw a fishman when Nami described it to him during the early episodes of One Piece.

[slender fulcrum]

Shanks wasn't around Wano at the time of the Battle. The event including shanks happened several weeks after the battle. He obviously did not stay around Wano for weeks doing nothing

[steady prism]

Afaik, Shanks arrived nearby Wano a week after the raid. With Zunesha’s comment during the raid coinciding with G5 Luffy, it’s unlikely Zunesha’s comment was meant for anyone other than Luffy. Tbf, there can be several “Joyboy candidates” in general and Shanks might be one of them, but that’s it ig. Anyway that’s my takeaway at least

[steady prism]

The weapon Imu used is very likely Uranus. But there is credence to the idea that the National Treasure is just as powerful. Donflamingo said that if he could use the National Treasure, he could “seize true world power”. Could the National Treasure be Uranus? Probably. Could they be different? Also likely. It’s clear that one of these weapons were used, and there are a lot of persuasive reason for both of them.

[fathom matrix]

OH WAIT, maybe? I guess if they have a massive fuck off weapon over the sky, people are gonna be scared and paranoid, and go into a panic, and so they may hate the marines, they may revolt, riot, go mad or insane. some might start cults or resistences to resist rebels to avoid them going against/pissing off the celestial dragons, AND it'll be a whole mixed bag cause YOU COULD GTE DESTROYED AT ANY MOMENT

[candid stratus]

I think the whole point of this is that it got "removed from the annals of history" just like god valley. It never happened and that's how the world will see it or rather how they want them to see it. Which I find almost impossible since there's people that know of it that are still alive. unlike god valley. Who knows

[split hornet]

Probably another, which laws df is a key to and that's what he'll find out when he learns history is my guess

[pure raven]

1. Maybe in order to control Uranus you have to be immortal.
2. Maybe he was talking about the ancient tree Eve in marijoa. Maybe an immortal has to be used in order to give immortality to Eve. And eve is probably the devil fruit making tree, so having the ope-ope no mi could make him the king of the world?

[pure raven]

dad From Vivi dead, maybe Mr 2 have a role to make the world think that Sabo is Not guilty (He is Not guilty, but goverment make him guilty) to Show Cobra still alive, what u think?

[merry fractal]

My theory is that the Buster Call was invented to tie that loose end. The end point from an outside view is pretty similar (an island shot to shit).

[plain summit]

Theory, Luffy prefer, using a ship Mast as a weapon

[cedar crown]

I just thought about it reading all this about the weapons.
If I recall correctly a advanced civilization (Lunarians?) created the 3 weapons to protect themselves and then were given to allies ( Kozuki, Fishmen) and probably kept one for themselves?
But from what were they protecting themselves? For having to create such destructive weapons it has to be against something as destructive. What was used on Lulusia?

[cedar crown]

I think Doffy means : " if he had the fruit, so he'd be immortal, like the Mariejois' treasure Imu, could maybe take his heart, kill him and could definitely rule the world.

Thinking about the heart, why can't Law always take people's heart to finish off enemies?

[mental juniper]

Probably something to do with how strong the enemy's haki is

[steady prism]

Donflamingo specifically wanted the Ope-Ope fruit so that he could get the “perpetual youth surgery” done on him; he never wanted to eat the df because he already ate the String-String fruit. From my understanding, he wanted that specific surgery in order to use the National Treasure that’s in Mariejois.

!theories @pure raven @plain summit for shorter ideas/premises, please use #manga or #manga-serious . This isn’t the right channel for that.

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, power scaling, bounty predictions or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description. Posts here must be in paragraph form, preferably with evidence, not just a one line open question.

[pure raven]

So that is almost definite proof that Imu has had the immortal surgery done on him. I would bet that the doer of the surgery is closely tied to the story, somehow.

[steady prism]

Yeah. But this is all circumstantial until we learn if Imu used the National Treasure or not.

[oblique crown]

GUYS I HAVE A WILD THEORY

SO WE ALL KNOW FRANKY'S PARENTS LEFT HIM BEHIND AND SOMEHOW HE ENDED UP WITH TOM. IDK HOW BUT MAYBE HIS ACTUAL PARENT IS VEGAPUNK WHO COULDNT RAISE HIM AND LEFT HIM BEHIND.

[candid stratus]

As crazy as you sound screaming that in all caps, I actually think that's a possibility

[sturdy pollen]

the only issue I can see with that was that Franky was said to be from the South Blue, but it is still possible he was born there even if one or more of his parents is from the Grand Line

[candid stratus]

Maybe Vegapunk turns out to be a real player. Wouldn't be surprised if he knocked up a girl in south blue and went away to continue his work

[spare urchin]

nahnahnah i feel like vegapunk is sanji's mom idk why

[candid stratus]

What no Sora is Sanji's mom what are you on about

[lone hedge]

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[robust plinth]

this could absolutely fit into why Roger laughed when he found it, I like this idea

[pseudo marlin]

The True Power of the Hito Hito No Mi

The Hito Hito fruit allows its user to be free and affect their surroundings and living beings according to the will of the user as proven by Luffy's fight against Kaido.

It could be possible that at the most extreme level, it could affect a small portion of the reality permanently, if the user's will is strong enough.

I think that one of the historical knowledge that was lost is that if the user of the Hito Hito No Mi learns about this fact, then he can permanently alter a fraction of the reality of the world to his own liking.

In chapter 1044, one of the Gorosei said: "Awakening brings his rubbery body greater physical strength and freedom. It is said that in
all the world, there is no power more ridiculous!!"

If the gorosei knew Imu and his capabilities and power, and yet they say things like this about the Hito Hito No Mi, then it is safe to say
that they have no clue as to how powerful it really is.

Hito Hito No Mi's ultimate power: A devil fruit that allows the user to alter a fraction/portion of reality to his own will.

The Consequence of Using this ultimate Devil Fruit's Power

This theory also suggests that JoyBoy was the one who discovered this in the past, meaning that he is also a user of the Hito Hito No Mi.

The consequence in using such power is that it consumes all the lifeforce of the user thus depleting the user of his own life force (basically dying), and then passing that user's will within the newly spawned Hito Hito No Mi.

This leads us to The Will of D

The will of the previous user of the Hito Hito No Mi that has died. Or in other terms, The Will of Death.

[candid stratus]

How do you explain other members of the will of D then, if only the user of the df has it.

[pseudo marlin]

Descendants of the Allies of Joyboy whom he shared his will to before he died using the ultimate power of the Hito Hito No Mi

[candid stratus]

I've always thought that the point of Luffy's df is actually that it gives him the freedom to do anything he can think of. Since he believes that the df gives him properties of rubber, he only does things that he thinks rubber can do. Some people say that that's wrong since rubber is the passive state of Nika but I would argue against that. It just makes that much more sense and explains every silly thing Luffy does. How he leaked water as water luffy. That's not how bodies work. There would be bloody water coming out, not just water. Now yes you can chalk that off as a gag and so on. But you could literally explain it with Luffy's child like mentality and how he understands and thinks about the world. Another example is when he grew his tooth by drinking milk. Yes Brook did it too but his was a gag because he's a freakin skeleton. Luffy believes milk fixes bones so that's exactly what happened. All through the power of literal freedom to do anything he can come up with. I could go on with the examples but I'm sure you can think of plenty situations where the df explains it beautifully.

[pseudo marlin]

I think Oda created it for Convenience. It is so that it makes it easier for him to make the devil fruit do whatever he wants in the future. In short, it is very flexible for whatever plot of the story will be in the future

[candid stratus]

I wouldn't say it's for convenience only. It sure is convenient, but it's also a great way to tell the story

[proud tree]

why would he call a weapon a treasure ... and not for what it is ...

A treasure is something that gives wealth and power, right? Or can a treasure give both. But what is the worth of a treasure if it has to be kept a secret, it can only be used in the worst situation. So yeah could be a hidden weapon. Seems like the treasure in Meria Yoa is sort of an anti One Piece ... I am sure the treasure of Meri Yoa is not the One Piece, rather the opposite: Something that can be used to give unjust power to the celestial dragons in emergency situation.

[steady prism]

I mean that’s the crux of it, right? Why would a “treasure” allow you, a df user, to seize a “power” to rule the world? It’s a valid question, but it’s not meant to make any real sense right now. Edit: that is such an interesting juxtaposition you made there, the thought that the National Treasure is the CD’s version of the One Piece makes the One Piece itself that much more exciting and mysterious. I’m gonna have to mull on that for a bit

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[dusk canyon]

So , I was going through my old pre school books as time pass then I found a paragraph saying many farmers in olden time wore strawhats then it suddenly broke a bulb inside my brain

Straw hats are used by farmers and farmers grows fruits
Who are the farmers in one piece well, farmer's Japanese translation is nojo
And jo as a mono noun in japanese refers to many things particularly
Beginning and women/girl (female) so it maybe

the girl of the Beginning
or
the start of the girl

So the joyboy may be a girl like Yamato who refers herself as man and
She is the start of something big so, in the starts I said that farmers cultivate fruits (💀) devil fruits? Is joyboy a girl? Also women wear the strawhats which exactly look like the one luffy wears so what do you think

The reason I mention the women as joyboy is there is a speculation that joyboy is the owner of the strawhat originally

[candid stratus]

Yeah I was just about to add that the straw hat Luffy wears is actually a female hat not a male one.

[dusk canyon]

I may sound like ohara in this post
Cringey

[pseudo marlin]

There is no specific hat for a female or male. The strawhat that luffy wears is worn by farmers in asian/east asian/southeast asian countries regardless if they are male or female. Some uses strawhat and others uses "Salakot" (in the Philippines) or "nón lá" (leaf hat - in Vietnam). Nevertheless, no gender specific hat.

https://scontent.fmnl17-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/75464238_417381632291968_496757399219077120_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=8FZIg1WOI98AX-PRVOI&_nc_ht=scontent.fmnl17-2.fna&oh=00_AT9xapkeJUuJDTqwLwE3Qn3M0npFs1LPzHXQw-MDvWRqCA&oe=63643021

[candid stratus]

I'm not going to go and argue you on this but I will just add that I was talking about the west. Any hat maker in the west will tell you that the shape of Luffy's hat, rounded with a flat brim is a female hat shape. I'm not trying to gender label and restrict anyone from wearing it, I'm just saying that is the common consensus here in the west.

[pseudo marlin]

Do you have any resource to back that up? I am genuinely curious as to which countries and cultures from the west has a specific "farmers" hat for a specific gender. I know that there are cowboy/cowgirl hats, but I am not aware of a farmers hat specifically tailored for a male or female. Not arguing, just genuinely curious.

[candid stratus]

First time I've heard of a cowgirl hat to be honest. It's exactly the same as a cowboy hat. Cowboy hats are meant for both genders. I don't have any proof I can show you but I can tell you that I live in a country where straw hat making has been the tradition for at least 300 years. We have a museum literally called the straw hat museum. They make custom straw hats too. I always wanted Luffy's straw hat so I went in to ask for that type of hat since I could combine my countries culture with OP that I love. The lady that makes them asked what kind of hat I want, I showed her a couple of pictures. She said cool what head size? I told her I don't know but it's for me. She was surprised saying she thought it was for someone else particularly a female since that hat shape is worn by females. I was like what the hell. She wasn't rude about it or anything, just explained that's how it is. Obviously that doesn't mean men must not wear it but that's how it's generally accepted. In traditional fashion it's safe to say you won't find guys with hat's like that as well.

If you wan't a different type of proof, type male straw hat into google images and try to find that shape. Try it with female straw hat too

[pallid nova]

i just google it, i think your straw hat argument is stupid

[candid stratus]

how come

[pallid nova]

because there is no specific differences, just went for further deep... im from the rice field country from SEA, indonesia to be more specific we used to wear straw hat on the rice field... there is no male or female straw hat in our culture.. asked my chinese and japanese friends, also no different between male and female straw hat

[candid stratus]

Did you miss the line where I said "Any hat maker IN THE WEST...."

[pallid nova]

are u 100% its a hat from the west?

[candid stratus]

No I never said I was, I just told you my side

[pallid nova]

its a straw hat, made from bamboo typically.. bamboo is from asia

but may be you are correct about the shape... that shape of straw hat is not from ASIA

[candid stratus]

I'm gonna let you take that back and inform you that we make them out of wheat straw here which is plentiful around here. Another feature that would indicate Luffy's hat is a western style straw hat is the fact that it has a colored band on it. I haven't seen many asian straw hats with a colored band

[pallid nova]

still cant find any differences between male and femlae straw hat

[candid stratus]

if that simple google didn't convince you then I don't know what will

[pallid nova]

just did, and cant find it

[modest skiff]

Since a ton of stuff in One Piece is based on Indonesia, I feel safe assuming it is the kind of straw hat used in Indonesia, which matches closely. Also, the interesting question is who gave Roger the straw hat. Rayleigh says straw hats are generally worn by “dauntless” individuals

[pseudo marlin]

Sorry I still cannot find anything from google that proves your point about the female/male hat. Maybe the lady you spoke to was not an experienced hatmaker and just tending the store? Maybe it is her own opinion that the rounder shape at the top is ladylike? I've tried googling western type strawhats and the only thing I could find is the Amish strawhat which looks pretty much like every other strawhat in the eastern side of the world... but it is also amish male who wore them. Can you link us some google results or google images of the hats you are speaking of? I'm not trying to argue, I am just genuinely curious because I am also learning different cultures from all over the world so this topic is very interesting for me, unfortunately no google result is showing that that kind of hat shape is for female, if anything at all it is all males wearing it on my google search results.

[candid stratus]

I think this debate is beyond what we should talk about in this channel so if you want I can send you my google search results in dms

[pseudo marlin]

yes please

[marble girder]

I'm leaning more towards the theory that enel was lured to the moon to activate uranus. And now that uranus is activated and im can use it, the government no longer needs vegapunk and so they're typing up the loose ends

[last sonnet]

I was ALMOST right

[sand thicket]

Is it possible that the beam that destroyed Lulusia could have actually teleported it some other place instead (perhaps as obscure as the moon)?

I ask this because Vegapunk's motivation seem to be at odds with WG and Cp0 trying to get rid of them.

[steady prism]

!theories It’s a good question. But it’d be better to ask in #manga-serious . This channel’s not the right place

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, power scaling, bounty predictions or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description. Posts here must be in paragraph form, preferably with evidence, not just a one line open question.

[pure raven]

dont know if anyone has thought this before, but with the new chapter out and how the Island Aircon invention by vegapunk can change islands temperatures, and look at Frankys "good timeline" where he says, "Its getting chilly isnt it? Let me turn on the islands heating" this could be hints that franky will take over Vegapunks lab on egghead island? or at least take the inventions from egghead island to another one.

[snow herald]

My theory:
Some of the CP9 members who didn't seem to make it to CP0 were killed, including the ones with devil fruits. Why? They were deemed too weak since they got defeated by 'weaklings'. This was all Lucci's idea of course. Sanji and Nami in particular are going to find out. Sanji is going to be enraged by hearing that he was considered weak by lucci and show him what's up. He will defeat lucci and tell him to kill himself since he got defeated by a weakling. Same with Nami, I think Stussy has the soap soap fruit now. Stussy will tease Nami at how weak Khalifa and Nami are/were. Nami going to fck her up and say somethign similar.
A man can dream!

[agile tangle]

I remember seeing a theory that vegapunk actually stole ideas from the people on the moon, I think it could be true

[vestal egret]

Oda said that if the straw hat had DF, Zoro would have Kaido's fruit on one of his swords. Maybe Zoro wants Vegapunk to feed a DF to his swords

[agile tangle]

Firstly two of the six bots(?) are called Pythagoras and Edison. Edison is famous for being a good inventor but a better marketer who took other people's ideas that weren't that marketable or had fatal flaws and turned them into mass produced goods. Pythagoras has also apparently stolen ideas from people whom were born 500 years earlier, which could tie in with how vegapunk stole ideas from people from the void century or smth

[steady prism]

I think that’s a really interesting observation, I think it’s a big leap to say that he’ll take over the lab. Also last chapter, I brought up the correlation that when Franky was at VP’s island, he learned that VP was trying to make a climate control system. Egghead island (specifically Aircorn) is proof that VP succeeded in making a climate control system. Similarly, Franky learned that VP couldn’t make a robot, but now we see he’s been able to make a robot bigger than Franky’s. If anything, VP and Franky can share the same dream, but I don’t see why he would take over his idol’s lab

[agile tangle]

Bonney also made a subtle comment on how vegapunk's island used to be a run of the mill lab

[pure raven]

i mean lets say the strawhats split up after a while like the roger pirates franky could possibly take over the lab if, but its also equally likely he could create his own island

[steady prism]

He can be VP’s successor either soon or at the End of Series. I personally see the two of them having a good relationship so it’s definitely possible he’ll pick up VP’s techniques/inventions and continue to progress it however he sees fit.

[steady prism]

I’d be extremely interested in hearing more about this angle. On one hand, the fantranslations are showing that all 6 “bodies” have names relating to the moon. So there is some credence to the idea that VP’s Seraphim invention could be a knockoff of the automata from their cover story. It’s possible the lunar connotations relates to the inventions he “independently” designs.

[novel scroll]

My guess is Zoro wants an artificial eye from Vegapunk.

[steady prism]

!theories

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, power scaling, bounty predictions or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description. Posts here must be in paragraph form, preferably with evidence, not just a one line open question.

[novel scroll]

I'm serious tho

[steady prism]

I understand, but this channel for long-form discussion. If you have a theory, posts here are meant to be in paragraph form with reasoning/evidence behind the idea you want to share.

[snow herald]

Zoro knows Vegapunk to be a genius, so I think he wants information on that reaper he saw in Wano and what it was all about.

[steady prism]

If you’d like to share an idea as-is without needing to do any of that, there’s #manga-serious . Else, please follow the channel’s rules before posting.

[manic orbit]

My first guess was a new eye

[snow herald]

@manic orbit He has never shown or hinted at being uncomfortable about having 1 eye. He also is the type to not care or complain about having any form of disadvantage. He also doesn't want to rely on outside sources for help in terms of making him stronger. I don't see why he would want a new/machine eye.

[lunar wren]

someone said in a different chat a cure for the smile fruit as he spent a decent amount of time in wano and the smile villages

[empty zenith]

Vegapunk is a fmab situation
Notice how each one of the vegapunks is assigned a trait 01 is Logic(lust?),02 is evil(envy),03 is flair(gluttony?), 04 is wisdom(pride), 05 is wrath, 06 is Desire(greed) im guessing vegapunk figured out how to split his soul into 7 parts and all assigned them either to a lab grown body or robot but where is the 7th deadly sin sloth you may be asking? I'd argue that the original vegapunk body is sloth. Notice how the navy only knows about the 6 vegapunks, im guessing that one day he grew tired of working as a scientist so split his soul up and now with his other personalities doing all the work for him he can lay around all day doing nothing therefore becoming sloth

[tulip dawn]

pretty sure if that's the case then logic would be pride and flair maybe lust, no?

[empty zenith]

yeah that makes more sense

[tulip dawn]

Ooooh really love that idea

About zoro asking vegapunk something I think it may have to do with King and lunarians

[west summit]

No such thing as almost right, either right or wrong

[agile tangle]

Yep but there's not enough evidence to expand as of rn

[blissful vale]

Vegapunk may have made a way to counter some devil fruit abilities for example kizarus because we see one of the vegapunks use photon gloves to punch light

[patent sail]

https://twitter.com/kingthepirates/status/1578237155755057155?s=46&t=nBjkK4Df7XckyPwEeYIxnw

Monkey D. Elmi (@KingThePirates)

Zoro never forgot the kindness of Ebisu Town, his friend Yasu and his daughter Otoko. He’s gonna get cure from Vegapunk for the victims who ate the failed smiles which goes for Killer too. #ONEPIECE1062

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I like this very much, it’s really true to his character.

[clear briar]

Important theory
If luffy is joyboy
Then his mom is jeomama

[agile tangle]

Maybe vegapunk is like a really good engineer but it's just that he can't come up with ideas himself? So like he needs a blueprint to work with? Maybe that's why the satellite said is it so hard to follow a blueprint, I think that's a reach tho

[clever lintel]

So Vega is one of six major stars, and the brightest, of the Lyra constellation. Vega was the second star after the sun to be photographed.

[earnest bone]

So I have a theory that Oda based One Piece off of Lakota Indian mythology:
My reason for saying this is because the three main deities in Lakota mythos are: Inyan(Rock), Wakan Tanka(The Great Mystery), and Han(Darkness)
Corresponding to I think, Rock D. Xebec, Luffy, and Blackbeard/Teach

It could also be the case that Wakan Tanka is actually meant to be a different person, like Im. So each would represent an antagonist.

This would mean that Wi is likely luffy(Wi is a sun god), and Ace would have been Anpao. Wi was too hot so another god ordered Anpao to chase Han(darkness) around the world, which created night and day. But parallels with Ace chasing Teach, and Luffy ultimately being the one to be able to break through Teach's darkness.

[solar chasm]

Vegapunk was targeted because either:

Vegapunk have the recording of Sabo calling to the Revolutionaries about Im-sama and might have heard it
Kuma cyborg have seen Im-Sama and transmitted the data back to Vegapunk
Dragon commanded Kuma cybord to show what happened during the Reverie raid, and the Seraphim Kuma synched up with that Kuma's command, and saw Im-Sama

[novel tendon]

Sanji is fang from mobile game bruh stars

[fathom matrix]

I think he helped create that lulucia destroying weapon, but now that it's a success, they need to shut him up

[sinful tapir]

I don’t know if anyone said this already but I think that Vega punk 04 is gonna at some point fight or help someone fight kizaru with their light touching glove

[junior lodge]

This is prob a ry stupid theory but hear me out..
Its about why Shanks is able to meet the Gorosei and all that.

So i always kind of hated the idea that Shanks is evil in the end bc it just wouldnt be fitting imo from the way he acted when he told Rayleigh that Luffy said the same words as Roger or his reaction to luffys first bounty and all that..
So there is still the question why is he able to meet the Gorosei an the idea i had is that the Gorosei together with Shanks plan to defeat Imu.

I do know that there is not too much evidence supporting my theory but i kind of like the thought..
any oppinions on my theory?

[dawn kraken]

has anyone noticed luffy acting and being drawn differently ever since his awakening? he’s more playful and energetic in my opinion and i can’t quite put my finger on it but the way he’s drawn is a lot different. maybe this is intentional to show how he is subconsciously becoming joyboy

[bitter kraken]

If this hasn’t been said already, assuming the weapon that destroyed the island actually was Uranus,I’m thinking Vegapunk had some sort of deal with the gov where he builds them their weapons/tech and they don’t use uranus. But since im broke their deal they’re sending their bitch lucci and his fwends to take out Vegapunk before he finds out they broke their side of the deal

[deep sable]

Just my theory, what if the Yami Yami no Mi makes the person able to handle 2 devil fruits without eating it? Just like how black holes/darkness suck light and doesn't let it escape, Blackbeard used his DF power to steal Whitebeard's DF by manipulating darkness

[pure raven]

any1 wanna join manga dis

[brisk garden]

I think that the yami yami no mi was BBs second fruit, with his first fruit being a mythical zoan fruit (which are known to have their own sort of personalities within so to speak) which allows him to have multiple DFS, when Luffy first met BB, nami referred to BB as he but Zoro corrected her saying "they" implying he could sense 2 (or more) "people", I think that BBs MZF is the Hito Hito no Mi: Model Davey Jones, in the davey back fights the usage of 3 coins as a "offering" to Davey Jones is shown, and if we look at black beard, there's all sorts of 3, 3 guns, 3 beard ties, 3 skull jolly Roger etc.

[candid stratus]

Ok I know this is gonna sound whack as shit but hear me out. We know that Rock's goal was to be the king of the world. Who is the king of the world. That would be Imu. Not many people know that. To be accurate only the Gorosei do. But what if Rocks knew as well. He would want to bring him down. So for one reason or another Imu ends up in God Valley and Rocks knows that. He plans an attack on him but Garp and Roger for some reason cross him in order to protect the celestial dragons present and possibly the civilians who might've been present. Rocks get's dangerously close to succeeding and Imu hides his beloved son into a treasure chest. You probably know where I'm going with this. The chest get's lost in the carnage, Imu gets away. Roger finds the chest and out pops a cute baby boy with red hair. Shanks. This idea came about mainly because I was trying to figure out why would Rocks even go to God Valley and it just happens to work out so well with his goal and everything. I don't know, I realize it's crazy and somewhat unlikely, but it does explain a lot. The reason why I don't think it's just any Celestial dragons son is because as @topaz latch said. The gorosei wouldn't grant him an audience just because his parents were CDs. So the only person who is above them (that we know of) is Imu.

[topaz latch]

This is a bit nitpicky but Garp at the very least would just be more invested in protecting civilians than CD, we know he holds a deep disdain for them and specifically denied any offers to move up the ranks for his part in this because he was not proud of protecting the CD. But yeah something like this could be the case. Although I'd have question when we see Imu walking around holding photos why didn't they have a photo of Shanks.

[candid stratus]

That's a good question. I have absolutely no clue why. Maybe he doesn't know. Maybe shanks would order the Gorosei not to tell him and they would obey him as he is the "young master" or whatever. There's plenty more holes in this theory tbh it's just a wild thought haha It's also entirely possible a random civilian hid him in a chest but then I would question why does a random civilian have a treasure chest. Then it would make more sense that he is either from the CDs, or maybe even Rocks or someone from his crew. Even then in all that ruckus a civilian could have stumbled upon a chest and hid him. Again plenty of holes

[wind bone]

Idea: The burn scar man kid wants to go after is Vegapunk. He could have a burn scar from Caesars explosion and also have lost use of his legs like the others on Punk hazard. Kids relation to him could be a couple things: His scientist goggles look. His devil fruit power. The way he “builds” insane contraptions in an instant by just bringing metal parts together including a Faraday box or a freaking rail gun. All of his moves aren’t named Magnet this or that. They’re all named after PUNK. Maybe Vegapunk was someone he worked with that taught him how to use his power properly so Vegapunk could make use of it? Which would explain how he knows how to make crazy ass contraptions on the spot. As with robin and laws reactions to kid saying burnt scar man. Laws time spent on punk hazard with Caesar and Kid on wano and his intellect could allow him to come to this sort of conclusion. Robin was also on punk hazard and we all know her whole deal is being ridiculously observant and intellectual. There could be more to this than I’ve thought about but this is just stuff I came with fast. As for the burn, Vegapunk was at the ground zero so to speak of Caesar’s explosion where he was in person. We know he somehow survived it but did he survive unscathed? Who’s to say he didn’t get a burn scar AND have lasting effects that took away the use of his legs like most every other person on punk hazard. Hence why he would actually suddenly need 6 fake bodies(This is probably derived from Naruto’s pain because Oda is best friends with Naruto’s writer and reminder that Nagato ALSO lost the use of his legs and created 6 fake bodies).

Kids backstory is completely up in the air still. But we DO know despite his demeanor he fervently understands how to create complex creations in a matter of moments thanks to his power.

I welcome any legitimate criticism that pokes holes in this though because I don’t want to continue this idea into a real theory if there’s anything I don’t remember from the story that takes it down.

[candid stratus]

I actually never made the connection of Kid's attacks being named punk-something. It makes a lot of sense when you look at it like that. About the 6 paths. You could also say it's derived from the six buddhist paths of reincarnation which is what Pain's 6 paths is derived from. If anything it's a nod to Kishimoto

[wind bone]

Yeah especially when you look at what each of vegapunks six clones are named

I think including vegapunk himself they all represent a sin or path.

[wind bone]

Wait why would Zoro ask about that? The only thing I feel like zoro would ask is to help get luffy and the rest back

[frigid panther]

Zoro is much serious than that

[wind bone]

Exactly his first thought would be where are my crew mates luffy Jimbei and chopper what happened to them

[topaz latch]

I don't Zoro knows nearly enough about the Lunarians to ask about that. But asking for a cure for smile does seem to be reasonable. I don't think he would ask about Luffy, Jimbei, or Chopper because I am pretty sure his convinced that they can take care of themselves.

[candid stratus]

Yeah the most likely scenario is about the cure for smiles

[wind bone]

I can’t see him asking about smile at all. That seems way too random especially with vegapunks name never once being brought up as involved with them

I guarantee it’s nothing we’d have to figure out. They’re in enemy territory and zoro has already seen how dangerous it is. I still think he’d want to know right away where is crew mates are. He’s loyal that way.

[topaz latch]

Vegapunk is one of the head scientist in the world and is known to be directly superior to Caesar the creator Smile from our time in Punk Hazard. Zoro was shown to be heavily impacted by the truth of Smile being revealed. Vegapunk has no reason to know where the rest of the crew is and they did not actively take the rest of the crew.

This also would also work as a springboard into a detailed explanation on how Devil Fruit work

[candid stratus]

There's a out zero chance Zoro is worried about Luffy, Jinbei and Chopper of all people hahaha

[modest cave]

Is this possibly the time all the scientists will gather on egghead? Like the cover story art for Germa 66 and Caesar escaping WCI was timed a little too well.

[topaz latch]

Potentially I suppose but WCI -> Egghead seems like it’d be a long trip

[modest cave]

If it does happen, it would be funny for Germa to get their megazord and have a mecha fight between Vegapunk, general Franky, and megazord lol

[whole needle]

but why did he give the 20 year timeline

[craggy oak]

I just awoke from a nap and in the dream, I realised something about Seraphim Kuma. Idk if this is common knowledge or something

So at first I was disappointed that he just looks like adult Kuma cause we thought that the Seraphims were gonna look like child versions of the warlords. But the answer came to me in my dream: Usually Seraphims have lunarian hair, aka silver. But this one doesn't. He just has the regular Kuma hair. Except that its not even the regular Kuma hair, as even child Kuma has grayish hair. Where does he get those black curles? Easy, its a wig. That's why the child-version Seraphim looks like the adult version, as the "adult outfit" includes the wig. So I guess Kuma is like secretly balding or something

[robust plinth]

My assumption is just that the Seraphim age much more rapidly than a normal human, similar to the Germa clones.
And Kuma with his history was probably the alpha test specimen for the project as well, so this Kuma seraphim is already older than the Hancock and Mihawk ones we saw, and had more time to age up closer to adult Kuma.

It would also go hand in hand with them returning it to Egghead rather than keeping it for their use, if they are planning on killing VP too. Return the older, defective model ('problem child') while keeping the younger, successful models (that we have already seen them start to deploy on Amazon Lily).

[mystic tinsel]

Im not sure if anybody theorised this or not
But I feel like bonney will join the crew or work together with the straw hats kinda like what they did with law.
I don’t have much evidence apart from me “feeling” like it will happen, but I think as the story goes on, it might point towards this direction

[proud halo]

The only reason why garp isn’t admiral is that he doesn’t like the celestial dragons so I don’t think he would go to god valley to save them

[tulip dawn]

Why would zoro ask for help from the one who is clearly the enemy and opposing them rn? Also, I dont think it's in Zorn's character to worry about Luffy and jinbe enough to ask for help from someone else to get them back, he trusts their strength...but yeah my theory doesn't make a whole lot sense either, it's more likely he asks something about smile devil fruits, which will give oda a perfect way to explain the mystery of devil fruits in general, as he said in an SBS : "devil fruits will be explained when vegapunk appears"

[tulip dawn]

Yeah we're getting development for all the supernovas these past sagas, with law, bege, kidd, killer, apoo, hawkins, drake and now bonney, we still have yet to see urouge though, he is a sky islander and since the sky islands over all are so important in the story, I'm sure he'll get his turn soon

[mystic tinsel]

Also adding on this new chapter, I’m surprised I haven’t seen anybody talk about the third party on totto land (In the cover page), where it seems a town in cacao island has been frozen(?), so this could mean akoiji is there and PROBABLY under orders from blackbeard, was to take a devil fruit from one of the members of the big mum pirates (Katakuri and Brule are the best options when it comes devil fruits). It can also be linked with koby where blackbeard took koby and probably not cause of his bounty with cross guild but maybe something else (unlikely) or Blackbeard is simply coming to claim totto land as his new territory from akoiji spreading the word. This could also not be akoiji at all or he just came to totto land by himself without orders from blackbeard. Either way I’m hyped to see a potential akoiji vs katakuri 🥶

[desert drum]

<<Debates on what makes something real are as old as time. It's something you'll have to decide for yourself, but I consider the matter settled!>>

I think Vegapunk might be the first true nika-believer!

[warm fern]

You think black beard might be there for pudding?

[candid stratus]

Well Celestial dragons being present at god valley is a fact. I didn't come up with that part. Garp doesn't want to talk about it because he's not proud of it. It's also possible his dislike of the celestial dragons started at god valley.

[mystic tinsel]

Maybe, but blackbeards after the good DFs (Devil fruit) that can be obtained without severe loss, its not like blackbeard wouldn’t go after puddings DF but katakuri’s DF which is a special paramecia and brulee’s mirror world DF are extremely useful and are pretty much up for grabs since brulee and katakuri are no longer under big mums protection (Since she is probably dead). Katakuri can defend himself (Not brule tho) which is why he sent akoiji to deal with katakuri. But I wouldn’t be surprised if they were also after puddings devil fruit

Also even if they are going for any devil fruit, which is one argument I see a lot of people bring up. Black beard would probably desire to go after special or stronger devil fruits, like Katakuri and brulee DF which are some of the most OP/Rariest in the series and especially that they don’t have big mums influence anymore

[cyan maple]

I just thought of something

So the 5 elders and Imu sama are I would think to be immortal rn. And for that to happen someone would have to have used the ope ope no mi ability to grand the infinite life surgery to give it to them. I think that’s how they have been around for so long. Don’t know if that’s too far fetched or not

[verbal jetty]

I think that Luffy < Shanks
Luffy's Gear 5 is only restricted by his imagination. All he has to do is imagine my guy shanks is dead and Shanks is indeed dead
Anyone can explain why majority of the community thinks shanks is stronger?

[cyan maple]

I don’t think it would be luffy wants shanks but that he wants to surpass him when the time is right. Plus it’s up to oda so we’ll know when they fights and luffy comes out on top. Until then tho it would be shanks>luffy

[versed hamlet]

AND ONLY LUFFY WOULD BE ABLE TO KNOW WHATS GOING ON BC HE HAS THE SAME LEVEL OF MATURITY AS JOYBOY YOOOO

[hazy tundra]

y’all anyone has a theory why cp9 wants to kill vegapunk?

[half marsh]

So one-piece treasure is entire world becoming one piece by breaking the red line😶‍🌫️

[pure raven]

So i just saw the oden flashback where Roger reach laugh tale and they all laugh maybe just maybe they all were laughing at the story of luffy and he's dumbness. And Roger said "i wish I was born in your time,JOYBOY".Maybe he meant that wish he was there in the future to see luffy maybe the all the adventures of luffy and he's crew already written on laugh tale from 800 yrs ago.

Also the first person to reach laugh tale will help JOYBOY AKA luffy to reach it so that Roger die in a way to tell the world and most importantly luffy to come find his treasure and all the other Roger crew look after luffy to see his progress like the doc(Roger's doctor) who helped luffy and dark knight who trained luffy

I wanna know what you all think of my theory

[candid stratus]

I sure as hell hope that's not the case

[pure raven]

Haha thankx

[topaz latch]

That’s not actually how Gear 5 works. I understand that where this misconception comes from, one of the fan translations said something to that effect, but if you read over the additional info provided by Road to Laugh Tale and official localization you realize it’s more so stating that Luffy is ability to rubberize his surroundings mean he can do almost whatever he want with his surroundings. Grab lightning, bend the ground, etc. but he cannot think that Shanks is dead and kill him.

[topaz latch]

This wouldn’t make sense given the context of other events.

[wide pewter]

pretty sure this is an ohara theory already and i dont see oda making time travel the answer to the whole plot

[whole rivet]

Fleet admiral, yes.

[candid stratus]

no. it's admiral. He is a vice admiral and doesn't want to be an admiral.

[whole rivet]

It's the fleet admiral that's directly under the CD. Nvm I'm wrong lol

[candid stratus]

Admirals are too. Why do you think Kizaru showed up on Sabaody?

[whole rivet]

Lmao yeah, my wiring messed up fr

[hoary hatch]

You would really think that CP0 (or some other government agency) would be used as the bodyguards and errand boys for the Celestial Dragons, rather than the Admirals, but I suppose showing the world that the three most powerful fighting forces of the Marines are the ones sent to avenge any attack on the CD, is their way of showing that the Marines (who should really have more important things to do) are a mere extension of the will of the Celestial Dragons.

[topaz latch]

What? Isn't the entire point there is nothing more important than the Celestial Dragons

[pure raven]

what if the ancient kingdom (that was wiped out) was a place where all the races and species of beings lived together in peace

[wind bone]

Theory idea: That rocks didn’t die but barley survived god valley and hid away somewhere and an orphaned blackbeard stumbled upon a dying rocks and told blackbeard his plans and because he lost his parents(most likely to the WG) and probably hated the world he took on rocks plan himself. But I believe that rocks had a previous love love user turn him to stone to preserve his body until blackbeard could find a way to save him. Ala why blackbeard seemed to be looking for immortality, not for himself but for rocks and why he’s taken on rocks will in the first place. I also think rocks gave black beard a mythical zoan fruit that as whatever to do with the whole series of 3 thing and allows BB to have more than one devil fruit. It seems like all the future yonko on god valley got their hands on a mythical zoan but all gifted it to someone else so why wouldn’t rocks have one too? Except he gave his to a young teach. I also think blackbeard isn’t a real D but that rocks told him to use his D initial as his own to draw attention to himself. He told blackbeard to go after Whitebeard about everything about and to bide his time for dark dark fruit. I believe also that orochis story was a foreshadow for blackbeards. Blackbeard is an archaeologist right? Well I believe his parents were too and studied poneyglyphs and were persecuted and killed by the WG which eventually led a young blackbeard to hate the world/WG and eventually stumbled across rocks. Orochi had the same scenario and eventually found an old mysterious person who gave him a mythical zoan with multiple heads(like BB might have 3) and a plan to sneakily rise to the to position of king. I believe this is exactly what happened with Blackbeard and Rocks.

[pure raven]

This and the skeleton interaction after the fight with King. Has to be related one way or another. It’s Oda’s coloring… it has to be some “soul power” or something soul related. I can’t put my finger on it.

[cedar grail]

The hit order was put on Vegapunk because Kuma was with Sabo when he saw Imu and all data seen by the Pacifistas can be recorded and was transmitted to Vegapunk.

[dim drum]

Yeah this would make a lot of sense

[stark latch]

I think same way too just imagine Robin reaction on seeing history herself rather than reading it from stone

[misty citrus]

Laugh Tale was part of the Ancient Kingdom that got annihilated by Imu's laser but somehow survived in a secret location. Roger laughed because only JoyBoy could bring it back through the One Piece treasure

[warped geode]

honestly, this is not a bad idea

[primal cargo]

I don't see a resemblance though ?

[misty citrus]

The cliff formations seem a little similar, its a stretch but yeah

I still think Laugh Tale being a hidden piece of the Ancient Kingdom is very likely tho

[pseudo marlin]

are you referring to Roger? sorry I don't seem to remember him referring to a 20 year timeline

[misty citrus]

Interesting detail, it seems almost every Mythical Zoan can be traced back to God Valley and Rocks. Big Mom gave Kaido his at God Valley, Sengoku got his from the WG, Marco and Yamato got theirs from Kaido and WB, Blackbeard gave Devon hers and he seems to be inspired by Rocks, Orochi got his from that Kurozumi lady, and its likely the Nika fruit was kept at God Valley before. The place is literally called God Valley, its possible that the WG kept every Mythical Zoan there which is why it was so important.

[dense haven]

My theory from october 2021:

Great Kingdom(Advanvced Kingdom of Fishmen, former fishman island under wano, who dont speak human language)
Wano(Closed off to protect Ancient Kingdom)
Great Kingdom Threat to WG(Because they don't speak same langauge, yet advanced)
Void Century(Surpressed because Fishmen were so advanced)

Joyboy Promise to fishman island(Bring them back to wano/Great Kingdom)
Laugh Tale Island(Meeting place to exchange drinks?)

Ancient Time Slaves(Tontattas, originally from Jaya)
Nika(Some dude from Jaya)
Joyboy (Fisherman from Elbaf, "carrying centuries of history on his back")
Giant Strawhat(Joyboy's hat)
Binks(Poseidon from great kingdom)
Toki(Sent Joyboy 800 years into the future)

Delievering Binks Sake(Joyboy brings sake to Binks)
Roger Laughed(Joyboy forgot sake, brought wrong treasure, or goofed in some way)
One piece that links all men(Sake)

"Open wano before joyboy comes"(So Joyboy can reach Great Kingdom)
Noah(Carried Fishmen from Wano)
Joyboy promise to Poseidon(Bring Fishmen back to Great Kingdom)
Voice of all things(Talk to Fish)
Enies Lobby(Former island allied with Great Kingdom, destroyed by Pluton)

lol i was definitely wrong about joyboy

[misty citrus]

Thoughts?

[misty citrus]

Luffy would understand it because hes a horrible artist lol

[high harness]

There is a thing that keeps me thinking and it is WHAT did Toki and Oden knew that will happen after 20 years
Toki came from the void century, Oden has red the poneglyph and knew everything
Oden once told Toki " Why don't you go 20 years forward... " and Toki knew WHAT will happen after these 20 years. And i wonder what was that, that theyw were talking about, i don't think it is just Luffy's(as Joyboy) appearance, it is something that we don't know

[empty linden]

Omg just read the translation and note.
Vegapunk names have so much meaning.
To my understanding a lot is lost in translation.
The Kanji origin is based on Chinese culture

So we should also cross examine the meaning in Chinese Characters.

正 [zhèng] Right.
alternative meanings includes
Just; Correct; Central; Proper; Aim; Standard; Example; Evidence; Pure

恶 [è] [wù] [ě ] [wū] 4 different reading
When reading as [è], Evil.
alternative meanings includes
Bad; Wicked; Sinful; Vile; Crime, Immoral
When reading as [wù], Detest
alternative meanings includes
Dislike; Hate; Loathe
When reading as [ě], Digust
alternative meanings includes
Nausea; Sickening
When reading as [wū], To question

想 [xiǎng] Think.
alternative meanings includes
Imagine; Ponder; Hope; Want; Recall

知 [zhī] [zhì] two different reading
When reading as [zhī], Understand.
alternative meaning includes
To learn; Knowledge; Consciousness
When reading as [zhì], Wisdom
alternative meaning includes
Intelligent; Smart; Knowledgeable

暴 [bào] [pù] two different reading
When reading as [bào], Violent.
alternative meanings includes
Sudden; fierce; brutal; rapid; spoil
When reading as [pù], to expose and dry in the sun

欲 [yù] Wish.
alternative meanings includes
Desire; Likes; Wants; Needs; Goal

[round flume]

but then they also know where dragon and the revo army is when they get the recordings from kuma

[cedar grail]

Which they do since the Marines clearly stated that they knew a den den mushi signal was going to Kamabakka!

[hasty cairn]

im sure someone alr pointed this out but in the newest chapter when luffy gets mad he looks like rocks mixed w g5, this might actually foreshadow that rocks had something to do with the nika fruit at either god valley or just in general (or oda might even troll us like he usually does)

[high harness]

I have watched a video about the meaning of their names and it tells much more about them too! For example - Pythagoras ( did i spell it right ), irl he was not just a mathematic but also believed in reincarnation of souls and that a soul is immortal and etc., Edison - it is sending us to Thomas Alva Edison - the creator of the lamp and light and many more inventions, it could lead us to pacifistas, because they have the power of Kirazu's light and smth like that, which could mean that THIS Vegapunk is the one working on these
And there's much more

[heady parrot]

vegapunks gloves made for touching light are 100% going to relate to the secrets of devil fruits that we’re probably just a few chapters away from learning. the gloves were shown doing two things this chapter: allowing vegapunk to hit the hologram as if it were real and allowing vegapunk to hit luffy with a blunt attack as if they were using armament haki. i believe the effects devil fruits produce are somehow related to light and if you can nullify light you can nullify the effects of the users fruit. it’d also explain why the yami yami no mi has the ability to nullify devil fruits, since it’s essentially a black hole fruit.

[candid stratus]

I highly doubt this is related. If anything they will have something to do with fighting Kizaru but I'm still not convinced because haki can effectively do the same thing. Regarding light having a connection with dfs, that's just ridiculous. I'm sure the robot is just made out of sea stone and can therefore hurt Luffy and on top of that Luffy went on like nothing happened so he didn't necessarily actually get hurt. The only somewhat logical connection is the yami yami no mis effect but that could just be explained as a black hole attracts everything including the devil fruit ability.

[heady parrot]

Sanji will fight Kizaru and Sanji has haki so no gloves needed plus he fights with his feet. vegapunk even goes directly out of their way to say “my photonics gloves allow me to interact with light” directly after using them to interact with a literal hologram made of light and luffy himself. you can clearly see that the attack landed as if it were armament haki and i’m pretty sure with the black shading that’s what oda was leading us to believe was being used until vegapunk specified they were gloves. there’s definitely a connection there that’s not related to kizaru.

[candid stratus]

I did say that technology is redundant if you know how to use haki. I am very much confident it was just sea stone that hurt luffy or just straight up normal metal. He can still get punched it just doesn't hurt him.

[fathom matrix]

it could also be that Zoro's green, Sanji's blue and Luffy's red, so it's kind of like a RGB colour thing they're doing, BUT you have a good point

[dreamy lotus]

My current theory on how the story is gonna go from here is as follows. Egghead will result in upgrades for Franky and possibly Nami given then heavy showcase of Cyborg and weather technology. The main bad guy of this arc will be CP-0 as luffy swears to protect the Vegapunk(s) and possibly come back with more funding so they may pursue their research to make the world more fun with their inventions. But first help Bonnie on egghead find out a way to get kuma back or rather find out something from the old kuma on what to do next. And I think finding funding will become a background goal of beating up the world nobels and stealing some cash moneys. (These are all really just a bunch of vague ideas for the future I’ve smashed together but I feel like at least most of this will happen)

[west summit]

I like this theory

[mortal wyvern]

Rogers sword and hat. We know the 2 most iconic items of roger are these 2 things. And we know they hold a lot of significance. Oda has emphasised that weaving hats into straw is a wano practise. Tama taught ace how to do this and he made a hat for oars Jr. Wano also has the most known blacksmith who forge the legendary meitou.
So in wano. Best blacksmiths only so far we know who forge meitou and weaving strawhats.
But there is one problem. In wano they make strictly Japanese hats and swords. This is important. They are an isolated nation they don't know about the western and other types of swords. Just as oden was surprised by the grape alcohol that wb gave him. He is the shoguns son he gets the best food and drink yet never drank this

In wano they make
Japanese hats - amigasa
Japanese swords - katana.
But rogers own sword and strawhat are.
Western hat - target
Western sword - cutlass.
The wano people would not know how to make these or what these are.
This is why i believe a character went to wano around 55 years ago. And learnt the practice from the people. Then added a Western twist to each

They made rogers Strawhat and they made ace. I believe they were taught by oden how to make strawhats and kozaburo how to make swords. And these people took kozaburo to the east blue and helped him form a village

Ace met a 5 Yr old tama. And I believe this character met a 5 Yr old oden

[high harness]

What do you guys think about the theorie, that at the end Luffy will destroy the red line, which will lead to destroying fishman island and so Luffy will open and connect all the 4 seas together.

• thats how all blue will be found

[fathom matrix]

yeah, it's very believable and makes sense

[mortal wyvern]

Yeah it seems the most believable.

Oda has setup for luffy to definitely gain apprentices. Both the anime opening and ch 1001 has highlighted rocks roger and wb as the 3 greatest pirates. These 3 are the only pirates who oda has given apprentices. These 3 all had apprentices on their ship. These 3 all had babies on their ship. Rocks and wb had babies born on their crew and roger had the babies on his crew as the apprentices

This i believe is odas mark of these guys as the greatest pirates. And luffy will join their ranks and gain apprentices who will be babies when they join

[earnest bone]

Any of the fruits that have been awakened thus far or are of 'God' class also have a translation to Lakota Indian mythology

[iron current]

[earnest bone]

This was already shown in the latest release, but we know the 'nature' of the persons instincts stay in-tact.(in regards to Kuma being 'dead', but a robot)
This is likely important relating to devil fruits, because the 'nature' of devil fruits owners likely stays in-tact as it passes from one to another. And an 'awakening' may be the predecessor instincts coming out

[simple bobcat]

this man is onto something

[remote harbor]

i think zoro actually killed haido too. if you look back through wano there is a lot of evidence towards it

[simple bobcat]

is brain damage hereditary, because i think you're gonna need to check the family tree

[candid stratus]

<@&164973429412331521> can someone sort this mess out

[cyan berry]

keep your shitty jokes out of this channel please

this will be your final warning

[simple bobcat]

thankyou mods

[glacial zephyr]

So you know how the hito hito no mi can do what ever you imagine, what if the reason why luffy became rubber was because everyone "believed" thats the power the fruit gave to you. so what if they thought of a different power ( idk probably a dumb theory but sure ig)

[dark palm]

I don’t think that’s that outlandish, but I’m also a bit hesitant to agree at the moment. Vegapunk would be the one to explain this though so maybe we’ll figure it out soon

[modest skiff]

Luffy stretched before anyone knew he had the power and before he knew he had a power, so that’s not possible. Also it is not just the power to do whatever you imagine, otherwise that be omnipotence.

Here are the panels where Luffy uses his power unknowingly for the first time and no one else knew he had it

[earnest bone]

So if Oda really did base Hito Hito no mi off of Lakota mythology like I think, Luffy is either Wi the Sun god, which is a god of creation. Or Wankan Tanka the god of mystery and the great spirit

[velvet lava]

I still think Long Ring Long Road Island has something to do with Luffy/Joyboy power! Saw a great vid about the links from that arc to Joyboy and joyboys afro potentially being the one piece, luffy needing it to be recognized by pluton the sleeping whale so that with gear 5 wearing the afro he can control the whale and destory red line together like all island whales want

too many insane links in that arc to joyboys power and brooks afro too be just coincidence - great vid called LafroTale by Dak's Sale

[fervent grail]

No it's based of of the Hindu good hanuman u can see the similarity both can change there size to what ever they want both have a unending hunger and both are childish

[earnest bone]

The fire festival image which is the 3rd favorite image of Oda in all of one piece is the same as an Indian fire festival.
Lakota have 3 primary Gods, Inyan(Rock), Wakan Tanka(The Great Mystery), and Han(Darkness)
Which would relate to Rock D. Xebec, Unknown(luffy or imu), and Blackbeard(darkness)

Wi is the Sun God, but he was too hot so one of the larger gods asked Anpo(which would be Ace) to chase Han(darkness) around the world. Which is the story of Ace and Teach, but also that of night and day. Wi is hot enough to defeat Han.

Iktomi is then the spider god as an example of another, and he's a trickster that controls people with strings. Like Doflamingo does.

[fathom matrix]

Stella could be Vegapunk's real name

[fervent grail]

Also the Hindu god hanumans dad is Pavan he has the power of wind and so does dragon well that's what everyone thinks

[autumn echo]

I have a pretty deep theory that Devil Fruits first of all never really came from sea kings and was all made up by the World Government and the reason they want Vegapunk dead is because he knows everything we’ve learned about Devil Fruits thus far has all been a sham and wants to release this information to the public and I know this theory might get disproven soon but I wanted to get this out in case I’m right. So for starters I wanted to go out and say I think Devil Fruits originated from Laugh Tale and I say that because since all devil fruits are so wacky and unpredictable it would make sense that they came from such a mysterious island. Also another thing that disproves devil fruits coming from the hearts of sea kings is that first off sea kings themselves don’t have any powers so how could it come from them, and 2 if they came from sea kings then the sea wouldn’t turn back on them in return and the opposite should happen.

[mortal wyvern]

Doubt it

I noticed this. But a majority of the people the strawhats look up have a symbol of a sun as an iconic feature of their character design.
Bellemere, namis mother who is constantly associated with the tangerines that strongly resemble the sun. Yasopp, usopps father with the star cloak. Wears it essentially all the time, sun = star. Tom's mark of the sun on his arm. Tigers mark of the sun which jinbei inherited. Rogers strawhat another symbol of the sun.

[wet comet]

I have a theory that the reason God Valley disappeared was because it was destroyed by the sky weapon which Imu uses

[mortal wyvern]

Does it have any evidence

The ship of garp I believe was built in water 7. Garps ship was also revealed in the water 7 arc which somewhat acted as a direct parallel to luffys own ship. Garps character is partially based of heracles the Greek hero. The insane physical strength the hero epithet, the several accomplishments of heroism. It was said that hellos the Greek God the sun saw heracles throw a spear at the sun in anger for the level of its heat. And hellos impressed by heracles boldness and strength gave heracles a "golden bowl" to travel the seas in greater comfort

A golden bowl is a
metaphor for a luxurious sea vessel. And I believe that character based of helios who made it for him was rocks. His hair looks very similar to to the depiction of the Greek god helios

[humble oyster]

well if the sky weapon was used to wipe out the island there wouldnt be any evidence would there be?

[mortal wyvern]

You know there are other means to move the island. And the only 2 island mover characters were on the island. Shiki and kaidou

[wet comet]

@mortal wyvern the sky weapon wiped off the island

[mortal wyvern]

What island. Because if you are talking about God valley. That's just pure headcanon. Why are you saying it like we saw it destroy God valley couple chapters back

[weak arrow]

It’s a theory hence #manga-theories

It’s not random bs. The idea of god valley being wiped off the map and seemingly forgotten about is very similar if not the same as what’s happening with lulusia. You don’t have to agree with the idea but it’s not random BS with no evidence.

“It’s not a theory if i just say random bs with no evidence.” You’re claiming that’s what he’s saying.

Otherwise you’d agree he’s posting a theory

[split hornet]

Do you guys think Zoro's crossing the six paths or domains and vegapunk splitting in 6 have some correlation or are the Opposites of eachother or am i just bugging

[wet comet]

I have another theory, king somehow will play a major role in the future mariejois arc

[candid stratus]

Can you please explain how that's headcanon? It's a perfectly reasonable theory. Even just looking at the latest panels of Lulusia getting wipped. They literally say over the comms "The kingdom of Lulusia...that country...never existed...in the first place" Just like Lulusia, God Valley is said to have disappeared without a trace. That's an undeniable connection that makes all the sense possible. Yeah it's not outright confirmed, but as far as we know it's the most possible theory about it.

[bleak yoke]

He asked for evidence and you didn't give him any. I read the conversation. Now you decided to explain your statement which previously had nothing to back it up

[candid stratus]

Wdym this is the first thing I posted on this debate

[rose axle]

Ok guys what do u think;

Zoro wants to talk to Vegapunk because one of Zoros swords (Enma?) actually ate a devil fruit in the past and it was a Death or Grim Reaper fruit. That's what Zoro saw at the end of Wano

[autumn echo]

I kind of doubt vegapunk would have anything to do with his swords in terms of them accidentally eating a devil fruit

[steady prism]

!theories

@split hornet People have hypothesized that Zoro's six paths have connections to the six relams of Buddhism. Vegapunk has 6 clones but also has his "self", thus making the real total 7 but the fact that he stopped at 6 is interesting enough. The names of each clone is contrary enough. Could you elaborate on what you think the parallel is between Zoro and Vegapunk? Otherwise, if you're just looking to bring up this idea and brainstorm on what the connections would be, then #manga-serious may be the right place for this discussion.

@wet comet it's an interesting idea, King does know of some Lunarian legend regarding Joyboy, so it'd make sense for him to come back in the story later on. Could you elaborate on how you think he'll play a major role? One-line ideas are generally fine in #manga-serious but in this channel it's necessary to expand on your idea so that others can make more informed comments on your theory.

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, power scaling, bounty predictions or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description. Posts here must be in paragraph form, preferably with evidence, not just a one line open question.

[pure raven]

What do you think of zoro being connected to Vegapunk in the following way.
Zoro is a clone of ryuma which was sent by Kuma and the RA to Goa Kigdom's Shimotsuki village. They sent him there to live with the rest of the samurai's out of wano because it was more accessible? If you remember well, the RA was located at Goa kingdom at the time where they picked up sabo. Why did they go there? Could they have been delivering zoro to the village? If so for what purpose? What do you think?

[steady prism]

The idea that the "hero of the marines" paralleling one of the greatest heroes in Greek mythology is an interesting thought. I'm not so sure I understand how the tenth labor relates to the events of God Valley.

Here's my understanding of the 10th labor: During his 10 years of servitude to Eurystheus, Heracles performed 12 difficult labors. The 10th labor involved Heracles going to Erytheia, an island in the far west, and capturing the cattle of Geryon. In this labor, several things happened:

1. Heracles was forced to cross the Libyan desert and, in frustration of the heat, he shot an arrow at the sun
2. Helios saw this and admired Heracles' courage/absurdity for attempting that feat and gave him a golden bowl/basin/cup that allowed him to sail freely on the sea, thus skipping the desert altogether
3. Once Heracles arrived at Erytheia, he was confronted by a two-headed dog (Orthrus) that he killed will his club. Another guardian (Eurytion) tried to impede Heracles to no avail
4. Geyron heard the commotion, fought with Heracles (with 3 spears and 3 shields), but was ultimately slain by one of Heracles' poisoned arrows
5. Heracles herded back the cattle to Eurystheus

Looking at the events of the 10th labor, I find it hard to see how that relates to God Valley at all. Saying Rocks, a character who's appearance is still behind a silhouette, parallels Helios because of the hair isn't enough. More importantly, the idea that Rocks would be helping Garp escape is perplexing to me; Why would Garp need Rocks' help to escape?

It is indeed possible that Shiki moved God Valley (not Kaido), but are you saying that you believe Shiki moved God Valley?

Codex's theory is one many people have because they're drawing similarities between the Sengoku's phrasing of God Valley and the WG's phrasing of Luluscia. You've have brought up historical points that you believe explains certain elements of the story. A theory isn't headcannon if they use story elements to explain their stance.

[wet comet]

@steady prism I just thought that given the lunarians were the natives of the red line and the straw hats will go to Mariejois in the future, I think somehow king will play a big role

[steady prism]

That's fine. In general, this channel is meant for theories that are at least a few sentences long to help foster discussion on the theory's merits. Just keep that in mind for future reference.

#manga-serious is a great place for these kinds of thoughts/ideas that you want to put out there to see what others think. If it gets more substantial, it's always welcome here.

[sly fjord]

here's my theory on what the 'one piece' is. I think it's a map, where it shows the world's lands were once 'one piece', which is actually our world before some big magical thing happened. which will explain why the gov't doesn't want anyone to know, bc then it will wreck those folks divine status.

[open lake]

But why would that make Roger and his crew laugh?

[sly fjord]

Because it means the journey isn't actually over.

[dim drum]

I've seen it suggested in several places that Vegapunk might give all the Strawhats upgrades, including Nami's Climatact. My theory is based off of the question: what if the existence of the Climatact can actually help Vegapunk accomplish one of his goals?

We are aware of Vegapunk's desire to manipulate the weather and the end result of that goal being Egghead's AirCon. We also know from comments made by both Lilith and Atlas that Vegapunk is frustrated with a lack of proper resources and funding that could allow them to bring their advancements to the rest of the world.

Since we know that the Climatact can create weather phenomena, my idea is that the Vegapunks might be able to reverse engineer Nami's weapon and modify it into a compact version of the AirCon that can be developed and distributed in a more cost effective manner. This would give them the means to finally help places like Vegapunk's home town of Baldimore have a more liveable climate.

[ebon idol]

I like this theory considering that crazy weather is one of the many dangers in the one piece world and stabilizing world weather will help to allow connection to crazy weather islands like raijin or like you said baldimore. What I don’t really get from this theory is the part where you say vegapunk can upgrade all the strawhats, like I get for some of them but people like zoro Luffy brook and Robin I don’t see what he could give them

[dim drum]

Yeah it's just something I've seen suggested. I think it's more likely that they'll all benefit in a broader sense from their adventure on Egghead, whether that be via direct upgrades or crucial information that could benefit them or their goals.

[ebon idol]

Yeah I like this formulation better

[dim drum]

Yeah upgrade was def a too narrow way of putting it so that's my bad

[ebon idol]

Don’t worry

[spiral ermine]

the strawhat with imu belongs to the same species as yeti cool brother because its big and frozen

[pure raven]

I wonder if she might just drop it for just Zeus lol

[pure raven]

Theory: Blackbeard isn't breaking the taboo of incompatibility of multiple devil fruits in the same body, he absorbs the DF powers and imbues them onto his rings.

[serene flare]

If abilities can be imbued into rings by blackbeard what's stopping him from collecting way more devil fruits

[hidden socket]

I thought the same but someone said he used the power with both hands wouldn't that not be possible

[steady prism]

Could you elaborate a little bit? How could he “transfer” a df power into a ring? Why hasn’t VP figured out how to do the same thing with objects (so far, only Zoan dfs can be put into objects). Who else can use that ring? Are you suggesting Catarina and Shiryu are using rings to use their df powers? Since a df is meant to change the user’s lineage factor, it’s interesting to imagine BB has full control of his genetics and the “pseudo-lineage factor” of other objects.

[marble zinc]

doesn't make sense, because I'm pretty sure they wouldn't allude to him having a weird body. "He doesn't sleep" etc. It doesn't make sense that all of that info is just thrown away or has no relevance to this. Besides, if it was the ring imbued, then he could just get a whole bunch of rings and instead of giving the rest of his crew the abilities, just put them on himself. Or at least take the ones that would be super beneficial. What's crazier than dark dark earthquake? Being able to go stealth invis to wherever he wants before using it. We've already seen that he's so selfish he'd kill his own crewmate for some power he wants so the ring thing doesn't really follow

[fading viper]

The biggest problem is probably that only zoans seem to be able to be put into objects, too. Which makes sense, how does a ring activate a fruit with no consciousness? Zoans should be the only thing that can be imbued given they actually create sentience, which means it's not just a dead object that no one can activate. Blackbeard most definitely doesn't do this, though

He remarks that he feels the power welling up inside of him, something he wouldn't have any sensation of if he were using an object instead

[flat oak]

Was it ever stated that only zoans could be put into an object? We've only seen two examples, iirc, of objects eating devil fruits, and they both happened to be zoans, but was that ever stated to be an actual limit?

[modest skiff]

I am not sure where it was said, but my memory indicates one of the scientists said zoan devil fruits are the easiest to work with, which is why smiles are all zoans. I think its just that everything that has been done so far has been with zoans. But it is possible this is all just assumptions I have made based on other stuff. I don't have a panel to link as proof, so take my word with a grain of salt

[fading viper]

^ It was Oda who happened to mention it, where the process to making smiles was mixing SAD with lineage factors and basically using that as fertilizer

[candid stratus]

I have a memory of someone saying zoan devil fruits can be put into objects only because they have a will or some sort of soul or whatever of their own. So the way I see it it's the same as when a person eats a df but it's the other way around. The df "eats" an object. Which is why the only times we've seen objects with devil fruits they've been always zoans. This does bring up a lot of questions in general but that's how I remember it. It's probably more complicated tho

[modest skiff]

I’ve only seen this justification as head canon. I don’t think this distinction is ever made. Do you know where this is indicated?

[candid stratus]

As I said I might be talking out of my ass, that being said it's the only somewhat logical explanation I can come up with I mean how the hell does an object eat something. That doesn't make much sense. Then again the df is also an object itself. I don't know what kind of shenanigans they're up to

[radiant crown]

If he was using rings purely to store dfs and trading between them then he wouldn't be able to use them simultaneously like he does in marineford.

If he can store in rings and use them at the same time then he'd have no reason to have a crew.

[modest skiff]

I think the teapot is our best clue. I think it’s safe to assume the devil fruit was steeped in a teapot. Since we are told all it takes is one bite of a devil fruit to gain its effects, I think there is some sort of transference that happens from the juice of the fruit. So it’s possible that a devil fruit was boiled with a sword in the same way

[candid stratus]

That makes sense. Especially since the people of wano don't know of the concept of devil fruits. It's possible Tenguyama found it randomly and added it to the teapot which resulted in cooking it.

[pure raven]

Thoughts on this video?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xz_aPohsXGo

[honest fulcrum]

It’s probably gonna be like Yamato but I think Jewelry Bonney might become the last straw hat, cause she lost her own crew, lost her ship, has a sad backstory, and we’ve already know her for sometime like jinbei

[tough grotto]

I doubt it. She serves no purpose

[ashen surge]

Bonney literally has one of the biggest plot device DF's out there

[tough grotto]

Serves no purpose to the crew. How is it a plot device for the crew lol. Why would the crew wanna be turning people young and old on a whim. She has no role on the crew. She isn't a parallel to anyone from rogers crew either. At least vivi is somewhat of a parallel to the void century nefertari royalty who created a bond with joyboy

[ashen surge]

Straw Hat members who are parallel to Roger's Crew:

End of list

[tough grotto]

Jinbei is a clear parallel to sunbell

And aside from that. Oda likes to add people who have defined roles on the crew. Luffy doesn't look for people with certain roles but through his magnetism and luck gets them anyway. Bonney doesn't have a role lol

[ashen surge]

"Both crews have a fishman in their crew" is probably most low hanging racist take you can make in One Piece

[tough grotto]

No. They both have sun tattoos aswell. And of course its a parallel. There is nothing racist about it. One fishman on the roger pirates. One fishman on the strawhats. It becomes a because they are clearly singled out. Its not like I said usopps and human and spencers a human