manga-theories

[dim cloak]

In my opinion (and I hope in others' too) the strongest theory about BlackBeard's ability to hold two fruits is because his body is basically endless and so the two devils in the fruits don't have to fight for space.

Whether he can add to his ensamble of powers by eating more DFs and storing them in his body, that I don't know, but it is a pretty good theory about why he and only he can have two Devil Fruit powers at the same time.

[tacit berry]

Nah hes just fat

[dim cloak]

However, as seen with WhiteBeard and further implied with Absalom and now Boa, the user of the fruit must die for BlackBeard to be able to do his thing to steal the ability.

My personal theory is that the moment of death is the moment when the Devil reincarnates (as we already know), so BlackBeard snatches it away with his powers (darkness is gravity, so it would make it impossible to escape if he exerted it) and then he just passes it on to someone else.

[zinc iris]

Burgess was trying to do it to Luffy at Dressrosa without Blackbeard
I'm partial to the idea of eating a piece of the user perimortem

[radiant crown]

I can't discuss this with him now but I wanted to cover some fringe scenarios brought up by this chapter.

We learned:
-People with devil fruits can be turned to stone
-If the user dies, people are stuck as stone forever.

So my question in this scenario is when would the devil fruit of the person turned to stone reincarnate? Would it ever or is that fruit permanently lost?

[dim cloak]

If that was the case, then it would make no sense as to why they would need to return to Fullalead to do it better.

WhiteBeard was buried and the narration in the end detailed all the wounds he recieved (exact and precise numbers too) so an autopsy was performed. Which means that if a piece of WhiteBeard's body was eaten post-mortem, they would notice.

There's also the question as to how does that make the user pass the Devil Fruit onto their body and why BlackBeard is the only one who can. Which is why it is vital for the Yami Yami to play a part on this, cuz, otherwise, let's assume your theory is correct.

How would the Devil go into the new user if the way to do it was cannibalism?
Why would Marco remark that BlackBeard can do it because of his irregular body?
What would stop the Devil from just flying away and reincarnating into another fruit?
How did no one notice a piece of WhiteBeard's body was eaten? Specially because signs of ripping of flesh, whether with one's own teeth (specially BlackBeard's) or with a tool, would appear in their body.
Following the last one, implying he ate a part of him by just janking it with his teeth, how did none of the WhiteBeard Pirate doctors realized that DNA from BlackBeard was in a part of WhiteBeard's body?

[green stratus]

Have you noticed that luffy
While interacting with all the warlords
Only truly overpowered one warlord without any mitigating factors
Crocodile (blindsided by the water weakness)
Geko(had to fight nightmare luffy and had a literal building fall on him)
Kuma(never truly fought)
Boa(never faught)
Mihawk(never fought)
Jinbei(never truly fought)

The only warlord that wasnt beaten by luffy without an asterisks next to that w was doflamingo
Then immediately started fighting yonko comanders which were presented as comparably difficult

But were this gets interesting
And were also seeing the same pattern in the yonko saga

Big mom(ran escaped from the first time second time she was in a delirious state after fighting queen)

And kaido(fought big mom for three days fought the scabbards had an all out battle with. Zoro,luffy,kid,law,and killer all well rested while also fighting yamato for abit and luffy coming back twice eachtime stronger among some other things)

Honestly i dont think luffy truly beat kaido

And i think hes eather going to get a wake up call from either big mom coming back or shanks

I dunno it was interesting to me

[dim cloak]

What part of this is a theory?

[worldly maple]

So maybe Vegapunk, in trying to create more pacifista has gone and collected a bunch of DNA from strong pirates, including King and Boa, what if he was able to isolate the Lunarian gene through King (which would be advantageous) so he decides to give it to the Boa clone too?

[radiant crown]

this is also not a theory, its virtually a fact that the boa clone contains lunarian dna, even concept of these genes coming from king is likely to be already true

[worldly maple]

lmao yall are bent out of shape because I am trying to predict something that isn't completely ridiculous? None of what I said is confirmed whatsoever

[radiant crown]

the boa clone has wings, dark skin and light hair and fire on her back, characteristics only seen together in lunarians

[worldly maple]

We don't even know it's a clone. It could be a machine. It could be any number of unpredictable outcomes. Oda has surprised us before and I am certain he will again. What's the point of this channel if everybody shuts down any attempt at discussion?

[radiant crown]

I'm not trying to shutdown discussion, I hadn't considered that they were just machines.

i was saying its "not a theory" because I believed it already confirmed

[worldly maple]

I definitely got the impression that the PX machines of Kuma were cyborgs. I could be misremembering or completely wrong about that, but then again there was also that allusion to Kizaru's beam so I suspect it's a hybrid of technology and the "Devil Fruit Soul" Concept that we only understand in vague terms

[dim cloak]

We actually know. Pacifistas were cyborgs cloned from the original Kuma, which, with Judge, we retroactively know how they were made.

If you look, at some point, in an SBS, Oda drew characters when they were little, including the 7 Warlords pre-time skip (including BlackBeard). Cross-referencing that with the Seraphims, we can say for sure those are clones of Boa and Mihawk that were created by Vegapunk using the methods we know from Judge.

However, considering they have lunarian DNA spliced with them, we can surmise they're also cyborgs (since they're supossedly a better version of Pacifistas). Which might explain, when we're shown all of them, why, in my opinion, there will be only a handful of Seraphims.

The point is they're definetely clones since Marigold and Sandersonia attested to Boa's Seraphim being just like her when she was younger.

[green stratus]

Basicly i things are repeating correctly. That luffy
1 has not. Truly become as strong as a yonko yet and wont until he either fights big mom or shanks

2 i didnt say this but i think were gonna get a repeat of the archipelago. Luffy is gonna go in thinkin hes the next big thing and this time he might truly lose a crew member
Possibly ussop dieing in elbaf i dunno realy

[dim cloak]

That already happened and it's called Sabaody Archepelago and Marineford.

The fact that Luffy needs help to get over strong opponents doesn't make him weak or his accomplishments less valid, I don't know what you're on about and I still don't know what point of what you're saying is a theory. It's all just opinionated speculation.

[plucky blade]

I’m having a feeling since Koby got captured, I can see Garp taking part of his rescue. Maybe shanks as well. This would be part of Blackbeard’s plan on getting rid of unwanted threats for the final war.

[green stratus]

Exactly. Archipelago through marine ford alreadt happened
But onepiece seems to work off repeating patterns in more ways then one

Dressrosa was a repeat of alabasta

Whole cake was a repeat of water7

Wano was a repeat of thriller bark

The next major story should be a repeat of. The archepelago

Following simular narrative themes

Archepelago luffy lost his entire crew because he went in thinking he was unstoppable and then the world gov came in and cleaned house

Something like this will most likely happen again

[flat fossil]

Another 2 year time skip!! Wooo!!

[zinc iris]

Thriller bark?

[stark pagoda]

Why did my theory get deleted

[modest skiff]

@stark pagoda @radiant crown because I'm an idiot who accidentally made a typo when using the mass delete function and now I deserve to be publicly hung

Kiritard, I think I accidentally deleted yours as well. I really hope you guys had them typed elsewhere before posting here. My sincere apologies

[radiant crown]

I don't mind, I need to spend less time in this discord anyway, missed out on like 3 days of work since I started reading this and manga-serious religiously xD

[modest skiff]

nooo

I hadn't read it yet, I really wanted to see it

If you can remember the gist of it, I'd love to hear your thoughts

Please accept my apologies

[radiant crown]

Don't worry about it please.

The jist of it was with king being held captive by Vegapunk I mistakenly thought the timelines would put Judge there aswell, meaning he would have had access to Kings DNA.

Basically reviving the sanji = lunarian theory.

turned out the timelines dont put judge there before king and they likely never crossed paths

[modest skiff]

Oh shucks

Well for the record I am still totally on board with the Sanji Lunarian stuff. I don't think its dead yet

[radiant crown]

I initially found that MADS broke up "atleast" 24 years ago, and king escaped 30 years ago, so it seemed clean cut that Judge had access to King.

But then I found out that King was kept on Punk Hazard and Mads never had a base there as Caesar joined Vegapunk there After mads disbanded.

[modest skiff]

I think if BB is absolutely deathly afraid of Lunarians, it shows there is at least 1 other out there. I think probably a lot more than 1. And even just a blood sample or something could be out there. I don't think we have reason to assume King is actually the only Lunarian alive

[radiant crown]

When I saw that, I remembered how well read BB was in terms of fruits, and it seemed like he was reading our racial traits he had remembered in much the same way, but who knows.

[modest skiff]

IMO BB having super advanced Devil Fruit knowledge from a very young age likely implies he is from an island/race with really well protected information from void century and all the various forbidden information. It could even be that his ancestors were enemies of the Lunarians and he's heard all about everything they are capable of

[radiant crown]

I wonder what he meant by "this is huge"

[modest skiff]

My theory of why Sanji was the only one who "failed" in Judge's experiments is that Lunarian lineage factor is a dominating factor that basically wiped out all the other little things like "easily to command" and stuff like that

I think he was a success and it just took a while to get rolling and his lineage factor had been slowly awakening the whole time. That's why Sanji's foot starts out hot, then more hot, then small flame, then big flame, then suddenly Sanji is like a flame wheel of ownage

[worldly maple]

there is a constituent of readers of reddit who are convinced that the male seraphim is a clone of Mihawk and not King.

[unique heron]

Is it not Mihawk?

[worldly maple]

Doesn't it look identical to the young King from the SBS? He is the last lunarian after all, they would need his 'genes' to make any seraphim

[modest skiff]

I'm just totally unconvinced by the whole "last lunarian" thing

[unique heron]

The sword + eyes makes me think It’s Mihawk

[pure raven]

they already showed someone similar to boa so that has to be mihawk

[obsidian phoenix]

It’s literally wielding a replica of Mihawks sword and boas lookalike had the same features so it’s not exclusive to king, all the seraphims have it now

[worldly maple]

But king has a massive sword too? I think they're clones of King and Boa. Maybe it is Mihawk but I just don't think the silhouette of his sword is definitive evidence

[unique heron]

King doesn’t have those eyes though

[worldly maple]

and boa doesn't have stars in her eyes. Maybe Oda is doing that to signify that they're cyborgs/clones

[obsidian phoenix]

And boa has the same wings as ‘king’ why isn’t she king as well then

[pure raven]

does that look like king?

[unique heron]

And the way it cut the mountain too

[modest skiff]

Boa's even had the same earrings lol

[worldly maple]

It's as much a 'replica' of yoru as it is a 'replica' of whatever King's sword is. There's not enough shown to be conclusive about it being Mihawk

[obsidian phoenix]

The fact that there’s another seraphim with the same features that’s boa is pretty damning

[worldly maple]

I am personally standing in belief that this male Seraphim is like a pacifista version of King, and the female version is a Pacifista version of Boa (All seraphim have lunarian genes, taken from king, the progenitor of the seraphim)

[glass loom]

I haven't seen anyone mention this but do we know if those clones are the SSG?
And yeah that's what I meant Chrissy mb

[pure raven]

if you give me a reason as of why the government chose a replica of boa and king which they joth have nothing in common then i'll believe your theroy

[worldly maple]

I guess we'll see in time, though. But just because Boa is a warlord does not mean all the other seraphim need to be warlords. There are other strong pirates around.

[iron current]

the SSG are just the Special Science Group, but the Seraphims most likely are the stuff they have been working on

[unique heron]

Idk for me Mihawk makes more sense, replacing the warlords with pacifista warlords also makes more sense

[worldly maple]

there's no reason for it to be Boa and Mihawk specifically, why not Boa and Croc? Why not Doflamingo? Why those two specifically?

[glass loom]

Yeah that's what I meant mb

[modest skiff]

It could be there's one for each and we only saw those 2 right now Skimo

[pure raven]

because it looks more like mihawk than croco or doflamingo? and maybe the rest are just not there, who told you those two are the only ones

[worldly maple]

You missed my point. Why THOSE two warlords? Why not ANY other two warlords?

[glass loom]

There's probably a clone for every warlord skimo, the ones who appeared happened to be boa and mihawk based on the appearances and fighting style

[iron current]

maybe its the 2 they have ready, maybe Oda wanted to roll the Mihawk hype train thats going on, but i would also agree that it looked like a kid Mihawk, especially with the sword slash it showed

[worldly maple]

Why not ALL of the warlords at the same time? If we had clones of each warlord, but no mihawk clone, and then this male seraphim came along, I would be 100% on your side. But there's not enough context for us to assume that ALL of these clones are going to be warlords. It's poetic but the world is more chaotic than that.

[modest skiff]

Aren't you assuming we are seeing all of them? Why couldn't there be others that went to other islands and we haven't seen them yet?

[pure raven]

why did they not send the entire navy fleet including the world governments agents there since they are at it

[iron current]

i mean for the moment we just know there is one that resembles a young Boa and one that looks like a young Mihawk, obviously they could have more than just Warlords

[glass loom]

I doubt the marines would send every seraphim to one Island anyways, what if they risk losing everything by some freak accident

[worldly maple]

I'm just saying you guys seem to be speaking in pretty definitive terms. We basically KNOW that they got King's DNA at some point. King's a swordman with the same relative shape sword as both Mihawk and the Male seraphim from the one panel we really see it in.

[surreal oriole]

I wouldn't be surprised if there is also a Kaido seraphim .. knowing he was being experimented on by the WG aswell

[worldly maple]

that would be cool just purely for the sake that it would be cool, context be damned

[iron current]

all we are saying is that this Seraphim looks more like a child Mihawk so on that assumption people guess they might have made Seraphims that resemble other Warlords

[glass loom]

Well they resemble them so it's hard to not be definitive, it's just warlords with king's DNA (or other lunarians) I don't see why this is hard to understand

[worldly maple]

They resemble both equally, is what I am saying they're quite similar characters to begin with, and now assuming they're both a child and Lunarian makes things even harder. Grown King and Mihawk are quite different

[modest skiff]

I certainly don't mean to appear 100% confident, but Boa's clone fits well with the idea that the warlords are being replaced with clones that are programmed to be obedient

[pure raven]

it's resonable since those seraphims are replacing the warlord so why not make them copies of the ex warlords?

[pure raven]

it's more like mixture of many character ability

[glass loom]

The SSG project was basically the warlords system replacement and now we have 2 pacifistas that resembles children warlords, so for me saying it's king and not mihawk throws me off

[worldly maple]

And that makes perfect sense to me too, and sounds like a pretty typical shonen storyline. Oda's surprised me more than once, though. Maybe there will be a Mihawk clone eventually, my line of argumentation is that this particular character is a pacifista/seraphim version of king

[iron current]

obviously that second Seraphim could be anyone, but right now with what we have seen people assume its a tiny Mihawk

[glass loom]

Well you seem pretty adamant, to each his own I suppose

[worldly maple]

I'm adamant that we don't know it's mihawk and it feels a bit foolish to assume considering we barely got 3 panels with the kid. I cannot wait to see more, though.

[iron current]

its as foolish as to assume its a King clone, so whats your point lol

[glass loom]

To be fair I'm not saying it's 100% mihawk, I'm saying based on the SSG project context and the appearance, it leans more towards mihawk

[iron current]

yeah, we are leaning to Mihawk, he thinks King and thats fine, we can believe different stuff

[grand veldt]

It has been mentioned alot that the new pacifistas “seraphims” will replace the warlords so I think oda is literally replacing the previous warlords with 7 seraphims that have the same face resemblance

[unique hornet]

BB cerberus theory debunked officially

[worldly maple]

I stared and stared and stared looking for more compelling evidence and you guys are right. He's got a cross-shaped blade hilt. I was thinking of king's katana that definitely doesn't have a cross-shaped hilt. I guess that makes me 95% sure it's a Mihawk clone, then

[unique hornet]

It is obvious now. BB is looking for third DF.

[worldly maple]

What if it's not cerberus, but the Kraken theory everybody thought of? The Darkness is sort of like an Octopus's ink spray, Octopi have 3 hearts (which can maybe each store an additional power) and relates to the three skulls on the jolly roger? I don't actually think that's true but I wouldn't be surprised if we learn that the Dark fruit is a mythical fruit somehow

[iron current]

yeah Skimo thats the one thing that makes me think that as well, the sword, the face and all definitely could be a kid King

[dim cloak]

Dangit, I was about to write up my two cents, but you're convinced to the contrary now... I am a wet noodle.

One thing I do want to add about it that no one did add is that in terms of hairstyles (keep with me for a moment) One Piece characters tend to conserve their hairstyles from when they were little up to adolescence and early adulthood, with few exceptions.

Alder had longish hair that tended to droop to the right side of his face and Crocodile had black droopy hair. None of these hairstyles are found in the Seraphim that raided Amazon Lily with Boa's Seraphim. However, they do match pretty well with the concept art for kid Mihawk. That in combination with the replica Joru and the circle around the eyes makes me believe it's totally Mihawk.

@modest skiff dangit mohdoo, you a Sanji = Lunarian theorist? I thought you were cool...

Jokes aside, I do wanna say my opinion as to why I think that is impossible:
-We've seen characters who seem to be able to create fire by friction with the air. Besides Sanji, we have Luffy, Lucci, Doflamingo, Katakuri and I think I'm missing one more.
-He showcases none of the racial profile of lunarians (white hair, tan skin, black wings, ability to produce fire out of nowhere).
-None of his siblings or biological parents display those qualities either. Since Judge modified them while on Sora's womb, it is hard to believe he would've been able to modify them too accurately, unlike his clones.
-He came into contact with an actual Lunarian, who did not recognize him as one of his own.
-Judge could've not had access to any kind of database showcasing Lunarian DNA. They seem to be so rare in all regards that not even Big Mom's intelligence network was able to find any trace of them, save for King.
-The Lunarian racial features seem hereditary, like fishmen breeding other fishmen, giants breeding giants and amazonians breeding only women. Considering this, either of his parents should've been Lunarian for this to have happened and we know it is not possible for Sora to have had the chance to meet or make love to one of them. They all were born together, so it's not really possible to argue that the father who provided the seed was different for one of them unlike the others.

[radiant crown]

I would point to how DNA works in the real world, most of our DNA is dormant traits that we no longer use and some of it certainly belongs to other hominid species.

He could have lunarian traits hiding deep in his dna, Judge might have somehow spliced some in with his modifications.

Sanji activated some genes when he wore the raid suit, and potentially stopped the process mid-way through by destroying the raid suit. Perhaps he will be exposed to something else that will activate other genes...

I find it hard to believe Sanji is creating the blue ifrit flames by simply spinning faster than usual, if he even still spins, as that is no longer animated or drawn in the manga.

[fallow knot]

After the Seraphim reveal,I think weevil is also a failed Seraphim of WB's dna .And they let weevil out just for testing it's strength.

[dim cloak]

But if they were a test subject, wouldn't they like him not being stupid sentient and also becoming a pirate?

And if he was, why would they allow them to run free instead of directly subjugating them?

[reef monolith]

BB got his bounty from raiding impel down again and breaking out doffy and goverment is worried cause doflamingo knows about the treasure of marijois

[fallow knot]

U know vegapunk left Momo's fruit just bcoz he thinks it's a failure maybe bcoz of imperfection He did this.
And i guess why weevil is failed bcoz WB was a commoner maybe Lunarian dna only match with royal blood.Thts y we only see meehawk and boa's Seraphim. And sanji also have Lunarian but he is not the perfect one bcoz of tech diffrence between judge and vegapunk.

[dim cloak]

If he did, wouldn't that had made the news?

And if you attempt to say the WG covered it up, Morgans was pretty confident he wouldn't be shut this time and would release everything.

Koby and the Marines there would've certainly had said something.

[dim cloak]

I am not touching this. I am not.

[reef monolith]

maybe we see it in the next chapters since we dont know all the news yet we still have weevil and stuff

[dim cloak]

Yeah, but I think that at this point, Doflamingo's escape wouldn't serve any purpose, methinks. He already had a lengthy arc, tragic backstory and a long winded narrative with an entire arc before and after of build-up.

I know people love him, but I honestly couldn't care less. He doesn't resonate with me and I don't think he wouldn't add anything that the cooler Doflamingo would (Crocodile).

[radiant crown]

I love it, my problem with Weevil is that he's an adult, they must have started growing him years ago

[reef monolith]

hmm you have a point

[dim cloak]

I love when people say that.

I wouldn't be opposed to Doflamingo either breaking or being broken from prison if there was a compelling reason for it to happen and a good pay-off to it, but considering this is the final stretch of the story and that Crocodile can and seems to be filling the character beats Doflamingo would if he wasn't imprisoned, I really don't see it.

[high harness]

So we all know that Blackbeard was a real pirate, and at the end he was killed by a british lieutenant and he later became the captain of navy
Oda loves adding historical moments, so i think, there is a chance, that Koby will kill Blackbeard and become an admiral or fleet admiral ( i also think it is possible, that at the end, Sakazuki will become the fleet admiral )

[dim cloak]

I don't think it will be Koby who kills him, if anything, I think it would be poetic if BlackBeard is the first person from our perspective that dies from drowning in the sea after losing his battle with Luffy.

However, I can believe the Navy wanting to cover it up like with Smoker and Fujitora and make up that Koby enlisted the help of Luffy to beat BlackBeard, becoming the simile Garp was to Roger in the God Valley Incident.

[near juniper]

Yea, there's a 90% chance blackbeards going to drown in his final battle

[pure carbon]

Couldn't he blackhole the water though?

[trim crag]

Dr. Vegapunk is a cyborg and is controlled by the WG via a implant that constantly edits his lineage factor

1059 made the picture of Dr. Vegapunk even more confusing. The “secret revolutionary” theory has always made some sense, given Vegapunk programming Kuma to protect the sunny and as more recently seen, listen to Dragon. Then again, why would Vegapunk be giving the WG this much fire power with the new pacifistas if he was a revolutionary all along? There’s a clear contradiction going on.

My idea is that Vegapunk is being forcibly controlled by the world government. Moments such as with Kuma are rare instances he’s able to gain control of himself again. This would be accomplished in a similar way Judge changed Reiju’s lineage factor so that she could not disobey him.

However, Vegapunk was already grown, so something like germ line editing like what was done with Reiju. wouldn’t work. However, in his studies, it’s feasible that he would have given himself an implant which performs a sort of gene therapy within him which could constantly edit his lineage factor. We already see this type of editing is possible based on Queen’s oni virus. They had to figure out the effects of that mechanism, and based on what we know about vegapunk’s refusal to test on children, he may have preferred to experiment on himself instead of using other human test subjects.

Now, how did the WG make use of this for themself? When the members of MADS were arrested, Vegapunk, Caesar clown, and many other members of the group ended up working for the WG. However, Judge and Queen somehow made it out fine. I think that they cut a deal with the WG, and traded knowledge of how to control Vegapunk via his lineage factor in exchange for their freedom.

[near juniper]

once he's in the water no

[pure carbon]

Ok

[sand badger]

i dont know if its just me but this is huge

[near juniper]

oh he's definitly snitching to blackbeard

[little kelp]

Wano getting attacked soon

[obsidian phoenix]

I still think it’s crocodile

[sand thicket]

Smart connection

[sand badger]

We already know Caribou is greedy and only does stuff that benefit himself. So, whoever he is telling this too is either his family member, friend, or commander. But, whoever it is, its an absolute MUST that he has VERY HIGH respect for them, and there are 2 people that can easily be the person he is talking about. First person/thing Imu! Imu has only appeared ONCE I believe in the ENTIRE STORY and holds the highest ranking in the world government and is also the ONLY PERSON TO SIT ON THE FORBIDDEN THRONE OF THE WORLD GOVERNMENT. We know practically nothing of Imu, so its very safe too say that he/they is a definite possibility to be the person Caribou spills the information too. Second person ROCKS D. XEBEC, we know hardly NOTHING about Rocks but 1 thing is for certain he hasn't been confirmed to be dead or alive. Rocks D. Xebec was the commander of the legendary rocks pirates and everyone who he had under his fingers are now (and were I guess cause you know white beard and other yonkos died) YONKO LEVEL PIRATES. (Im gonna go other this part quick just to let you know) PRIME WHITE BEARD, we all know it is confirmed PRIME WHITE BEARD was equal or a little less powerful then the former pirate king Gol D. Roger, so that basically tells everything you need to know about white beards strength at that age. BIG MOM, now we dont know if she was stronger or weaker back then but one thing that we do know is that she was still strong as hell with a influence which can be compared to luffy's. KAIDO, everyone who's caught up knows about kaido's huge capability and stuff so ill just skip him. Those were big names under Rocks commands and we know how strong all of them were at the time so its safe to say the Rocks must've been LEADS ahead of them in terms of everything. But yeah, after all these years if Rocks is still alive, he MUST'VE gotten stronger. Rocks could've easily beaten Gol D. Roger to become pirate king and could've ACTUALLY BEAT ROGER IN A 1 ON 1 FIGHT.

So, if Rocks didn't want to go for pirate king its very possible he could've been after the ancient weapons but had no clue of where they're or if they're even true (which we now know they aren't myths)

[dim cloak]

I don't know about Vegapunk being a cyborg being controlled like Kuma, but I do believe that while he believes in justice and sides with the Navy, he is also being held by the World Government in a much more straightforward way.

I do think your theory is pretty cool regardless. Well thought of, Juxty!

[trim crag]

Hmm maybe cyborg was the wrong word. It would be more just an gene therapy implant, not replacing his entire brain. But yeah could definitely be more straightforward

[faint ibex]

luffy isnt nika he identifes as someone or something else

[dim cloak]

On Im, ya think the WG is relying on pirates for anything anymore? And specifically an idiot scrub like Caribou?

On the second one, I believe Rocks is dead. And even if he was alive, he would've been incarcerated on Impel Down.

Even if you wanna argue he escaped, considering how clutch their escape was, if he was out if his cell, he would've made himself known.

To add to my belief that Rocks is super not alive, BlackBeard forced the Level 6 prisoners to fight to the death in their cages and let the strongest ones go to join him. Xebec wasn't in any of those survivors so he either was already put to death or died in the cage match to freedom to the death.

[trim crag]

What if Rocks actually won at god valley, became Imu, and had a memo memo no mi user rewrite people’s memories

I do think an awakened memo memo no mi likely played a role in the void century, that seems like the easiest explanation

[marsh moss]

But Memo Memo no Mi belongs to Pudding

[mortal field]

Ight imma just type this out, i believe Boa’s df is the Mythical Hito Hito no Mi: Model Medusa.

The reason i think of this is 3 factors playing here, Blackbeard interest for some time in her fruit, Her sisters and snake playwords all around her, and the government new Seraphims

BLACKBEARD
Blackbeard has stated that he took interest for some time now, and cant risk letting the marines have that power hold on to that part for later. Blackbeard knows a lot of things about DF in general, knowing that they can still be stolen from a dead body as well as being able to know secret things such as the yami yami being able to take such abilities and implant them to his own. One thing thats also worth pointing out is the score of dfs Blackbeard has under his belt. He currently has a logia, and a paramecia fruit; only class he’s missing now is the zoan fruit. I believe that with this power Blackbeard will be able to petrify anyone what so ever. Its said that the mero mero works off what people find the most appealing to someone, so if someone was a ugly person their ugliness would turn them into stone.

Another factor to add on is that the seraphim that looks like Boa has specialized eyes pupil, compared to kid Mihawk. The Gorgon, more importantly, Medusa, hand the ability to turn people to stone by simply glaring at them if their eyes locked

[merry rune]

its crocodile

[mortal field]

snakes and play on words
This one in my honest opinion can be discarded if you truly want to, but Boa’s sister having the powers to turn into a snakes themselves is similar to Medusa’s sisters that were gorgons as well. Boa df not turning her into a snake at all is a bit weird, considering everything about her is snaked theme but her power. I believe awakening this power gives her the full Medusa look, as well as the ability to turn ANYONE into stone no matter how much they resist her

[merry rune]

I'm 99% sure i'm right about this. Caribou is reporting to Crocodile about the location of the ancient weapons especially pluton. By far Crocodile is the pirate most interested in the ancient weapons and if he were to get pluton it would actually set up The Cross Guild as a huge threat for later on in the story. I also don't believe its a coincidence that in the EXACT same chapter that its revealed Caribou over heard that pluton was in Wano and said he had a certain someone who'd love to hear about it and then Crocodile gets reintroduced to the story to in that same chapter. It all lines up too well and I can't wait for the Desert King to make his comeback.

[mortal field]

Government
One thing i found strange was the Seraphims being the ex warlords with the mixed blood of lunarians. The reason is because that would require blood compared to a cyborg like the pacifist. Whats more striking is that out of anyone that can be used such as Doflamingo because he’s currently locked up, they use Mihawk first. And the second Seraphim is Boa. I think Vegapunk seem to be able to complete his smile failure and create copies of other species without issues at all. Nobody else on the warlord had the ability of a zoan fruit, so to use someone that had physical skill (Mihawk) and the ability of stone (Boa) it seems as if Boa fruit has to be a zoan then.

On the side note, i do believe we can see if Croc being trans is true due to the Seraphims taking to appearance of the previous warlord child like looks. So we can see how Croc looked as a kid. Other than that, this is my theory

If it seemed weirdly worded and missplaced its because i suck at explaining things if i type for too long, feel free to destroy this theory ig

[merry rune]

what is that theory based on btw like the croc trans thingy?

[mortal field]

Ivankov said to Croc that he would tell his secret and Croc told him to keep quiet, between that and Croc having a hatred for Whitebeard. People think that because Whiterbeard rule is no female pirates on his ship, Croc must have been a female before transitioning to male via Ivankov

[merry rune]

oh okay i can see that being true then

[mortal field]

Weird because Whitey is there but idk if she’s in the manga

[fathom matrix]

A tekking video I recently watched made a point that these seraphims are probably not fully cooked yet

as in, they're still kids, they're young, they have more potential to grow and get stronger, plus considering the state of the world, this is either a test run or an emergancy deployment. Cause they look about 8 or 10, and there must have been accelerated growth.

[weak arrow]

Yeah they probably could get stronger, but I doubt we’ll ever see adult versions Z

[vale current]

This makes so much sense. Just call it kek but Question is just whether or not croc will go to Wano after he finds out about pluton.

[trim crag]

She was born well after the god valley incident though, so it’s likely there was a previous user of the fruit

[strange shell]

Just want to add. Clearly there’s a certain point in which you are just killed immediately

[hasty hill]

Im not saying cerberus i never believed in it actually

[hasty hill]

exactly ma dude that was my point @dim cloak

[hasty hill]

Bro there's some stuff called covering up and if u remember in the last prison breakout the whole impel down incidentv was covered (i think there's some reasoning to why myman goes that far to make up luffy's name)

[hasty hill]

Oh ye a koby and luffy teamup covering is very possible

[hasty hill]

Om gonna Debunk this theory in the most stupid way
Imu is a woman
Rox is dead

Also the person who's gonna love to find out where pluton is
Is most likely crocodile

[south knoll]

i think luffy, sabo, and coby will all be in opposite ends, fighting to the death

[ocean wasp]

How bout Caribou, who y'all betting the pluton info he'll leak to? Between BB and Cross Guild

[dim cloak]

Because it's implied that Im has been at this for a while.

Rocks was power-hungry, greedy and overall, a fucking asshole to everyone in his crew. He let people murder each other and trying to one up each other using murder. My first thought when it comes to Rocks is not methodical and subtle, which is how the WG worked.

[dim cloak]

Just because Luffy has a twist with his DF, it doesn't mean every and all Devil Fruits now have a twist and their information has been rewritten.

Besides, as much as a DF scholar you want to make BlackBeard, he came to the island of women not at all prepared to confront Hancock (as we see even two of his titanic commanders get gotten by her stupidly easy), did not come prepared to fight the Navy, which surprised him when the Seraphims attacked him and came without knowing the full extent of information behind Boa's fruit (the user needs to be beautiful to turn people into stone, people who have turned into stone cannot be reversed by a new user, etc.).

So why would BlackBeard know about the twist of the Mero Mero if he didn't even knew basic information about how the powers worked so much so that he was willing to kill Hancock and risk her lying because he was so ignorant he prefered to sacrifice his companions rather than be turned to stone by her.

[dim cloak]

We actually don't have a first. There is no proof about more Seraphims not being deployed to fight the other Warlords (we haven't seen shit about Weevil and Mihawk dispatched of both his and Buggy's Navy Ships, meaning that if there were Seraphims on board, those motherfuckers sunk.

Meaning that theorizing about "these ones were made first" is a bit of a stretch considering they were introduced at us first. It could very well be they were all made together or finalized together.

Your arguement is also faulty considering none of the Kuja were turned into stone and Boa was never directly experimented on, meaning Vegapunk couldn't had been able to replicate her fruit. The only thing we know is that they somehow were able to get DNA samples of her to use for cloning and considering Boa's stubborn behaviour in regards to following the orders of the Navy/WG, you bet your biscuits they wouldn't had been able to detain her for long enough to even try to experiment with her lineage factor to replicate a fruit.

[dim cloak]

Why did you ping me?

[dim cloak]

Again, if you actually read what I posted, you'd realize one of my points is that if he escaped with Luffy, he would've made himself known and made the escape much more easy than it was and that BlackBeard's game of making the criminals fight each other to the death to escape resulted in no Rocks coming out of the cells. So he is not alive.

Roger, whom we know was the only person alongside Garp who checked Rocks, was inmediately detained and put to public execution as fast as possible, you think the Navy and WG would risk having him detained and alive and give him the possibility of escape? Rocks was executed as soon as he was captured after the incident in God Valley, no doubt.

[fathom matrix]

Do you think some of the Big Mom Pirates have defected to perhaps BB's crew maybe?

Cause think about it "EMPRESS OF THE SEA, CHARLOTTE LIN LIN, BIG MOM HAS BEEN DEFEATED BY KID/LAW/LUFFY PIRATES ALLIANCE, WHEREABOUTS UNKNOWN!"

Imagine the fucking panic Tat land is likely in RN

I wouldn't doubt if some people actually left the crew because if there's no Yonko, there's no protection. Their best bet is join another Yonko crew

IT'S NOT JUST THAT, so many people were afraid of Big Mom, so some of the kids may have had some resentment to her and now that she's gone, they're probably thinking "shit, this is my chance"

I'm sure Katakuri right now is trying to take control of things, but how long can that even last for?

While BB is a scumbag and a monster, your best bet as a strong or decently powered pirate and if you want protection is allying with another Yonko

[gloomy sorrel]

I hope Sabo dies.

This would make Luffy turn his attention towards Blackbeard.

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, power scaling, bounty predictions or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description. Posts here must be in paragraph form, preferably with evidence, not just a one line open question.

[slender fulcrum]

The Seraphim plot might lead to the cloning or re-creation of ancient being that imu store in its freezer...

[sand badger]

there is absolutely no information about rocks being in impel down yet alone being near it. also why would the WG not want the ancient weapons?

plus imu can literally do whatever he wants so he doesnt need to worry about the WG when he doing smth like stealing or wtv

but anyone who he tells this information too the after effects in the next chapters would be insane

[dim cloak]

Yeah, that is my arguement. If Rocks is nowhere near Impel Down and he was such a menace, he would've been executed inmediately, just like Roger, the person whom he is compared to the most.

Also, if wanting the Ancient Weapons is the lower common denominator to assume someone's Im, then Spandam is Im. Crocodile is Im. Caribou is Im.

Wanting the Ancient Weapons is not in and on itself any kind of correlation with Im whatsoever, specially since in Franky's flashback we see Spandam being the one convincing the Elder Stars of actually using Pluton, when their actual objective was to get the blueprints in case Robin, who is alive and they're pursuing, is able to find and activate Pluton.

We also don't know jackshit about Rocks, so assuming he wanted the Ancient Weapons is a big, fat assumption.

[sand badger]

i think we might see who he tells it too in the next five chapters judging by the passing rn

[grizzled vine]

I can’t wait to see Urans 🤤

[sand badger]

1 roger turned himself in 2 just cause someone wants the same thing doesn't mean theyre the same. lets say if crocodile perhaps got it, (which is very also possible dont get me wrong) wouldnt that sorta be a waste? one piece is ending soon and we gonna know nothing more about imu or rocks? besides the treasure one piece oda WOULD NEVERRR leave a cliffhanger thats just not his writing. personally i wanna see more of buggy and his crew rn (including crocodile and mihawk) but i also agree its the perfect time to bring a new villain up (which oda has been doing). if swamp guy tells rocks i dont think wed see action right away but maybe in the following 5 chapters after that cause theres still a lot of other things that need to shown/ dealt with like blackbeard, coby, new arc, sabo etc

[grizzled vine]

I think buggy will accidental yfind it

[sand badger]

its not a "big fat assumption" to think that rocks wanted the ancient weapons. as i previously said he would've easily rivaled roger to become pirate king but he didn't, why? probably cause hes looking for a different goal.

oh yea btw kutami who do u think swamp guy will spill the info too

[grizzled vine]

We don’t know anything about rocks , maybe he was like dragon a good buy but just wanted to destroy celsrrails and marines are making it out like he was bad

[sand badger]

yea that too

[radiant crown]

That's an interesting concept, was rocks fully evil or have the marines twisted the narrative

[dim cloak]

Yes, Roger turned himself in and they executed him soon after. If Rocks was captured, considering that what happened in God Valley was enough to give Garp clout for a lifetime within the Navy and required him to team up with Roger, then you bet your ass Rocks would've been captured and executed the moment he lost, which we know he did.

Also, why would it be a waste if Crocodile, who has returned to the story as a major faction, is Caribou's superior and goes to Wano to get Pluton? It would make him clash with the world in a major way and will put this new faction in the limelight of the story. Meaning we get more Mihawk, Crocodile and Buggy, three characters that have been neglected for a long time in the mayor narrative.

It is a fact that the old generations are leaving behind and having the newer one take the reigns of this new era by it's hands (Kaido and Big Mom's defeat signaling a shift, Whitebeard dying at Marineford, Roger's death, Sengoku's retirement, etc.), so why would Rocks come back to the story, specially since he is implied to be very much dead? It would be a waste, specially since we're pretty much getting a flashback to what happened in God Valley, considering Kaido's did not talk much about his time spent with Rocks.

So yeah, if you're going to actually claim outrageous stuff, do so with actual proof and not baseless speculation like "Wouldn't it be cool if he did the, uh, was in the, if Rocks was Im and he was the leader of the world and he won and was the BBEG?". There are other channels for lighter discussion or to be able to spam these thoughts without effort.

[sand badger]

honestly i dont think rocks was fully evil because why would white beard join him? whitebeard aint about that pure evil life

[radiant crown]

It's interesting to see it through the lens of what's happening with coby and bb.

Coby has inadvertently participated in two events in a way that benefits BB, and gained the title of hero for it

Similar to how Garp and Roger teamed up and Garp became a hero

Roger certainly wasn't squeaky clean and neither is blackbeard.

What's this says about xebec I'm not sure, but we certainly shouldn't necessarily assume he's evil

[sand badger]

lmao i like how u accuse of making theories without factuality cause that's literally exactly what ur doing. the bottom line is no one knows hardly any shit about rocks so its safe to make a billion theories about him "with no factuality" cause that's literally how it is. we dont know if hes been caught, excuted, alive, dead, strong or not so there is rlly little to none of actual facts to make theories about rocks and thats literally why im making the theory cause literally everything of what a theory is, is all possibility with little to no facts

[sand badger]

i really like this theory but idk i have feeling that hes not a cyborg but maybe has like a chip in his brain or something

[dim cloak]

There are hard facts about Rocks with which I based my counter-theory with, like the fact that a collaboration between Roger and Garp was needed to ultimately put him down (which I used to establish his threat level and a somewhat correlation of his power) or that his existence was hidden by the Marines and Garp brought it back. If Im was Rocks, then why would the Navy be allowed to have any information about him or have let Garp talk about him and the God Valley Incident?

If you knew anything about this channel before posting, the channel asks for people to actually base their theories with proof. You are right; speculating about Rocks is allowed and there's nothing wrong with that, but if you're gonna do so without any kind of proof, then go to another channel. It's as simple as that. If you don't, then I have all the right to read your theory and debunk it if I feel you're wrong about it.

[pure raven]

Blackbeard is joy boy and we're all wrong luffy is bad

[sand badger]

wait what ur confusing my words i never said imu was rocks

[radiant crown]

Those that he freed from impel down probably follow him cause that's what joyboy does, free people

Same story with king and kaido

[pure raven]

🙀

[dim cloak]

I may had been confusing your speculation with someone else's I responded to when I woke up cuz you both talked about Rocks lol.

Point is if you want to make baseless assumptions, you shouldn't come here.

[radiant crown]

We are here to refine each others theories, not try and kick each other out of the channel

It's problematic to tear down people's assumptions.

Rocks location is unknown. So assuming he is anywhere is baseless but it is what we have to do to create a theory.

[sand badger]

ah ok, but u gotta understand a theory for rocks is different then others cause we know harfly anything about rocks, actually let me state everything we know about him. he was the leader or a massively strong group. kaido looked up to him like a father (in terms of strength). garp and roger defeated him (although doesnt confirm if he is dead or not). in terms of strength he rivals roger and is also a bit stronger then him. he was apart of the last generation and his hair looks like pasta

[dreamy hull]

some of those may actually need be adjusted a bit

[sand badger]

like what

[dim cloak]

You're already stating incorrect stuff and missing some things.

Kaido didn't look up to him in any way, neither like a father. In fact, considering the defeat of Rocks in God Valley inmediately made his subordinates disband and start their own crews and the fact that people on his ship killed each other and actively advised newbies not to follow Rocks, that says a lot about how much none of them trusted or respected him and how powerful he was to submit them as crewmates below him either way.

We also know his base of operations was Fullalead and that BlackBeard has something to do with him in some way, shape or form, considering he named his ship the Saber of Xebec and with him taking Fullalead as his base of operations.

[dreamy hull]

@sand badger we know he respected his strenght but not necessarily father like,just like he respected WB and BM .
And we cannot assume he was stronger than Roger as we also cannot fully estabilish all his own members strenght at the time neither fully how strong roger was or about Garp then and now or how the fight unfold

[dim cloak]

Please, let's not turn this into a power-scaling discussion.

[sand badger]

yea i agree 100% with that, but they also prolly disbanded cause they thought he was dead or smth

[sand badger]

i said that cause it took garp AND roger to defeat him thats why i said rocks is prolly stronger then roger

[dreamy hull]

@sand badger Other members of Rocks were present too from what I remember or I do remember wrong?

[dim cloak]

Or maybe because he actually was.

[sand badger]

oh actually? wait where did u find that see send me the chapter so i can read that part

[dim cloak]

I think it was a crew clash, so all of his crew was present at God Valley, specially considering he was going to launch an attack towards the CDs there.

[sand badger]

oh yea it could probably be a crew clash rhat would explain a lit

[dreamy hull]

@sand badger

[sand badger]

wait wth what chapter is that

[pure raven]

957

[sand badger]

thanks

for some reason i cant find that chapter but ill just take ur word for it

[sand badger]

was rogers crew there too or just rocks?

[dim cloak]

It was in one of the Wano interludes.

[hollow cloud]

https://i.imgur.com/usEoxwU.jpeg

[sand badger]

the girl pacifista is a younger form of boa not the girl from punk hazard

[hollow cloud]

Definitely a stretch, but the idea that the Punk Hazard kids got re-abducted and converted to Lunarians is both very dark but would be neat

[dim cloak]

It is chapter 957 in the manga.

Also, I find this phrasing amusing. "The crew was wiped out." Not defeated, wiped out.

[hollow cloud]

No, that's what I'm theorizing. That the children were clones of the warlords

[sand badger]

it says the rocks pirates were wiped out yet whitebeard was still alive kaido was still alive and big mom was still alive

[dim cloak]

Actually, what the fuck, no, he's dead and that's a fact. How did I not remember this?

If I did, this whole discussion would've been over in a jiffy.

[sand badger]

oh ok, but if i remember correctly didnt the kids say that they got kidnapped by ceasar instead of being created by him

[sand badger]

wth how come no one mentioned this. i remember sengoku speaking about that in the anime but not saying rocks was dead. wait let me check if it mentions that in the anime

[dim cloak]

@hasty hill here.

[sand badger]

the chapter js 957 right?

[dim cloak]

Yuh.

[tame tendon]

Just found an interesting theory on youtube about the last Straw Hat's member

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As to be a straw hat, there are the 3 major requirements: tragic past (carrot has none, unless you count jacks raid, which only lasted for 1 week), loss of a loved one (unless you count pedro, but if he does return alive some how, then her chances of joining are even less), and a dream (unless traveling the world counts, but to me that's a little weak). I mean, she's clearly strong, cute, and has that sulong form, but that's only on a full moon, granted chopper could find a way to activate it for her via rumble ball. however, if, theoretically, if chopper were to learn electro from the mink tribe, then her chances of joining are dropped. her role could be a watchout looker, but that could be for anyone. plus, the crew already has 1 talking animal, and chopper not being a mink is more unique for him.

for every straw hat candidate, they have their character freshed out upon their introduction. carrots role in the Zou arc was very minor, as her character was hardly portrayed till much later.
not only that, Luffy is the one who meets the future straw hats, as sanji's group met her first, and then zoro's group upon arriving. her role on WCI was moderate, but did accomplish quite a bit: capturing Brulee, mirrorworld traveling, using her sulong form and helping in the escape, but was kept out personally against the fight with big mom, which to me was to demonstrate Jinbe's future role with the crew. however, I will admit I could be wrong, but once wano ends, we'll see if she ends up joining, as right now she doesn't even have a bounty, as she wanted primarily to travel on an adventure, and rescue sanji, that's all. plus Luffy is the one who first meets the future members, not the crew. and he does so in a rather bizzar manner (zoro: tied to a post. Nami: fell out of the sky. usopp: at the coast with him playing pirate. sanji: restaurant in the ocean with him carrying food on his head. robin: on the deck of his ship out of nowhere. chopper: at the top of a snowy mountain. franky: in the city doing his pose (note: usopp technically met him first, but luffy met him without his outfit on), brook on the ghost ship. jinbe: chained to impel down floor. and hancock: during her bath when she was naked).

Jinbe is already a guarantee member, given he joined at the end of WCI. though with him talking about sacrificing himself someday, I personally don't see him dying given he's too important to die, unlike Ace or Whitebeard. as I always consider jinbe like a father figure/uncle to luffy, to give him wisdom when needed. With jinbe, that makes 9 members, 10 counting luffy. and luffy said he wanted 10 (presuming he wasn't talking about himself). Vivi was confirmed in the databooks as the 13th member, but is also clarified as a former member. I'm not surprised, I love her, but she NEVER would be able to handle the new world, she herself admitted that fact.

I personally am going with a gut feeling that maybe, possibly Hancock will join the crew someday (once the shichibukai system is ended). as she has a tragic past (being a slave), the other 2 requirements having been shown, given her past was only explained a little and just hinted. but I think her past has a lot of potential about the dark secrets of the World nobles and government. plus she's really the only warlord (aside from jinbe and law) that has a genuine bond with luffy.

[sand badger]

okay yea sengoku says that he died. but even so, who ever swamp guy tells it will be a HUGE event nonetheless

[feral raven]

Would robin awakening her fruit let her make anything anywhere?

[tame tendon]

don't forget, she's got that love sickness (I just laugh about it at times personally), and the old lady (can't remember her name) mentioned she'll have to leave the island someday, as once the warlord system is done, they'll need to have another way to protect her country, that being under the name of a powerful pirate, and given luffy is now declared a Yonko, he has the power to do so. plus, luffy owes hancock a lot (impel down, helping try to save ace, hiding him, and reuniting him with his crew), so its a fact he would repay her someday.

plus, if you look carefully, oda foreshadowed robin joining the crew earlier. in lougetown, nami tried on an outfit similar to her miss all sunday outfit. later, she tried on an outfit similar to hancock's prototype outfit (oda himself confirmed that outfit was hancock's prototype design). also, if you see, all 3 women have similar backgrounds: all 3 were slaves during their childhood (nami to arlong, robin to her stepaunt, and hancock to the CD), all 3 were luffy's enemy when they first met, they had a warped outlook on life (nami thought all pirates were evil, robin thought the whole world was her enemy, hancock thought all men were scum), all 3 are very beautiful, they had someone who sacrificed themselves to save their lives (nami to bellmere, robin to saul, and hancock to tiger, though tiger didn't die till sometime later), all 3 had their pasts hinted and only revealed much later (nami during the arlong arc, robin at eneis lobby, but hancock hasn't yet). so its safe to assume hancock is very similar to Nami and Robin.

given her love for luffy, she clearly is more interested in being with him over being empress of her island, as i'm certain either one of her sisters or someone else could rule in her place. her dream could be to marry luffy, or (and I consider this one more likely) to end slavery once and for all. given her being a slave, she is more sympathetic towards slaves as a whole.

also, I've researched a lot, and EVERY straw hat is based off a character from fiction or real life including their past as a whole:
luffy: son goku. both were raised by a grandparent (garp and gohan) lived in the mountains and raised themselves growing up.
Zoro: don diego de la vegga (legend of zoro): both fought for the people (zoro took down pirates as a bounty hunter for food and money), both are swordsmen and wear bandanas.
Nami: Selina kyle (catwoman): both are greedy and love money, wear revealing clothing, flirts, master thieves and have nicknames revolving around cats and theft. both lived lives in poverty and stealing to live.
Usopp: the boy in the tail of "the boy who cried wolf": usopp always lied saying "pirates were coming!" for years on end, as did the boy who cried wolf, and when it really happened, no one believed them and it bit them in the ass.
Sanji: Philippe Bourbon from "the man in the iron mask": both were forced to wear an iron mask in their youth due to a cruel ruler and rotted in a dungeon out of cruelty.
Chopper: Rudolph: both were treated badly in their herds due to their nose color, both hated due to how they had unique powers (Rudolph cause of his glowing nose and chopper cause of his devil fruit power).

Robin: cinderella: both were abused and neglected by their stepparent, forced to do chores and poor food and clothes, and treated like a servant than family.
Franky: one of the disciples from the novel "the pillars of the earth (1989): in the novel there was a builder named tom who had 2 apprentices. he tried to build a bridge, but died before he could finish, as one of his desiples finished it for him. in one piece, franky has a mentor who was named tom, died before he could finish his dream, and franky finished it for him.
Brook: the character from "the ryme of an ancient marine": both sailed the seas, lost their crews and wandered for years on end till they were saved.
Jinbe: a mix of Malcom X and MLK jr movements: he served tiger (Malcom X) and later Otohime (MLK jr) wanting to promote peace with his people in his own ways.
Hancock: the greek goddess Penthesilea: Penthesilea was the queen of the Amazon Warriors from Greek Mythology. She was enslaved as a child by Persians but she later escaped with two of her sisters (as did hancock and her sisters). Since the Kuja are referred to as Amazons, there’s a clear enough link, but then you also have to consider the fact Penthesilea is sometimes referred to as the greatest female archer, which by the way is a nod to her Devil Fruit abilities again. In fact, Penthiselea is one of 13 named Amazonians in the lost poem; the Aethiopis, there are 13 named Kuja Pirates: Hancock, Marigold, Sandersonia, Ran, Daisy, Cosmos, Rindo, Fan, Marguerite, Sweat Pea, Alphelandra and Gloriosa (ex member).

also, all the male members have something that makes them odd in their own way (luffy can stretch, zoro green hair, sanji curly eyebrows, chopper talking animal, usopp long nose, franky cybord, brook talking skeleton, and jinbe whaleshark. the female members are all relitavely normal in design (unlike monet who has wings, and is more than likely dead) or carrot as a mink. also, wouldn't it make some sense for the future pirate king to have the pirate empress as a member? I mean, hancock has A LOT of humor she could bring with the crew as a whole. especially since I think her powers would not work on franky, brook, chopper and zoro due to certain reasons.

I know this is completely out of left field, and I may sound COMPLETELY nuts, but I think that this crazy theory of mine has a chance to happen, but not for a while. The Straw Hat crew only has two females, and at this point, I don’t think there would be any other female characters that would be introduced, that would have any reason to join the crew. (Save the Monet talk. I’m 99% sure she’s dead). Boa is the only other female I could see joining the Straw Hats, and the circumstances I mentioned are the only way this could even remotely happen.

[pure raven]

Jimbe don’t have any of the requirements

[zinc iris]

the tragic event has happened in realtime with pedro's death
pedro can easily be classified with the likes of hiluluk and tom
having an adventure at sea is an absolutely acceptable motive (luffy and roger have it) and even usopp has an open-ended goal
in terms of more specifics honoring pedro's unfulfilled wish of the dawn of the world would also count
btw goku's name is kakarot, wears orange and transforms with the full moon

[jagged onyx]

Kinda curious about Vivi, do you also have a comparison for her?

[zinc iris]

oh and Jinbe is Muhammad Ali, the greatest pugilist of all time that was a follower of Malcolm X and ended up in prison for refusing to fight in the Vietnam War

[digital epoch]

OK so
the Seraphim
It's obvious that the two we see are clones of Boa and Mihawk
So do they have clones of the other warlords if so, which ones? Will we be running into clone Law? Clone Weevil? Clone Buggy? Clone Blackbeard?

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[novel scroll]

So Seraphim is a clone/robot made using the DNA of powerful people and Lunarian.
I think Sanji is a Seraphim, or at least made with the same idea of it.

We know that Vegapunk and Judge used to work together. Seraphim might be what they're trying to create.

[zinc iris]

oh no this shit again

[dim cloak]

King was captured after MADS was disbanded.

Not only that, but Seraphims share the same racial traits as lunarians, so Sanji is 100% a human and not a lunarian.

Can we stop arguing about Sanji being a lunarian? There's A LOT more characters that ya'll would like to ignore that can produce fire through friction.

You're also arguing that while putting the panel where Sanji literally dismisses the idea Queen has about him being a Lunarian.

[novel scroll]

King isn't the only Lunarian that exist. It isn't weird to think that WG capture them before.

Also, I'm not saying Sanji is Lunarian. He doesn't have wing and his skin and hair is different.
'm just saying that he might have some of Lunarian DNA when Judge made him.

[zinc iris]

dragon used some lunarian DNA when he made Luffy, proven by Red Rock catching fire

[zinc iris]

@novel scroll it's sarcasm by pointing out another character has non-df fire attacks without being a lunarian
in that case too is just an exaggerated friction

[radiant crown]

Didn't oda confirm that he stopped spinning and now just uses his "passion"

[karmic token]

Blackbeard and Coby weren't effected by Boa's fruit because they are gay for eachother

[tame tendon]

Jinbei has otohime as an important person that inspire him to bring equality between races

[tame tendon]

Not yet, I think she is an original by Oda

[hard knoll]

Jinbei seems the most level headed person of the crew so far

[quick burrow]

Robin ?

[modest skiff]

I think it’s likely that he was an anti hero rather than villain

One of the things the navy do to make the rocks pirates seem like a bunch of evil monsters is cite someone killing another member. But that happened on WB’s crew too, a pirate crew where they are considered family where WB is the father. Basically peak wholesome. My point is that the navy is notoriously incredibly unethical and deceitful (O’Hara, lots of other stuff), so the incredibly limited info we have makes me think the navy are taking advantage of being the ones to write history. And that whole “how high will you go” silhouette with nothing but good guys and also Xebec? I just don’t think he’s actually a villain

[radiant crown]

I wonder if this is also why Garp doesn't talk about it, cause really Xebec and Roger maybe weren't that different.

We had a discussion recently on all of the pretty evil sides of roger. And now the BB/Coby and Roger/Garp parallels are making me question God Valley

[hasty hill]

Ye thats wat i said rox is surely dead
Maybe he will get revived later or someshit but ye

[hasty hill]

Young kaido flashbacks

[modest skiff]

I’m on mobile and have a busy day ahead of me, but the gist of my Xebec theory is that he looked at 800 years of rape, slavery, excess taxation, genocide, and decided taking a “gloves off” approach was ethical because a little evil to prevent a lot of evil is still a net positive. God valley was Xebec being willing to kill some slaves for a major win against the CDs. Perhaps something major enough to eventually topple them

These guys have slaves move the floor beneath them until they die. They are truly the peak evil ruling class. Almost anything is justified to topple that dynamic

[radiant crown]

Currently thinking about how easily the WG could run a "god valley v2.0" by having Coby and BB Kill Dragon.

[obtuse ore]

What if luffy can punch into the future

[merry rune]

he might go after wano and then luffy might have to pick between saving wano or sabo/koby but I dont really like that idea so i can see crocodile going after wano easily putting down yamato especially with mihawk and buggy's army taking pluton and then leaving

[median ether]

😱

[median ether]

you should probably delete because mods will tell you to delete if its not a real theory

[pliant mantle]

Aced theory

[pure raven]

Imagine they find the island where kaido came from and it turns out he’s just an NPC on that island

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[faint ibex]

the one piece isnt something special the one piece explains the void century

[radiant crown]

It puts history back together in one piece?

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[desert notch]

That’s probably just a part of the one piece

[faint ibex]

yeah i think before joyboy was about to die he hid everything he knew about the void century and hid the island thats why imu has to hide he cant find the one piece even if he goes to laugh tale there a guardian guarding laugh tale if he makes it through the guardian will kill imu. Joyboy knew his time was limited because when the WG was forming (the 20 kingdoms) he knew they were gonna send people to infiltrate which imu came along then imu tricked zunisha

[radiant crown]

Some of that I don't like (like a guardian on laugh tale), but you bring up interesting points... why hasn't anyone from the WG gone there and destroyed the evidence... Especially Imu

[dim cloak]

Considering the information from the Void Century and Laugh Tale will hurt the WG, there is absolutely no reason as to why Joyboy would hide that damning information somewhere where they can't reach.

It's as if he's hiding the only weapon who can discredit and destroy them for them, it makes no sense.

[stark latch]

No one from WG gone there because they don't know proper location of laughtale and they don't have road poneyglph

[merry rune]

Caribou is Mr.10. Mr.10 was never seen during the entirety of Alabasta but Oda did release a sketch of him and he looks like a very early on point of caribou look at the head shape and all. He even has an X on his chest which is the roman numeral for the number 10.Now that in chapter 1056 Caribou knows the location of 2 of the ancient weapons who was he planning on telling that info too? Crocodile. Crocodile is by far the pirate most interested in the Ancient Weapons and that was literally his entire mission during Alabasta. It would also make The Cross Guild an actual threat for the future as he can finally possess pluton. Going even further, The exact same chapter Caribou over heard that pluton was in Wano and mentioned a certain someone who'd love to hear it is when Crocodile gets reintroduced to the story. It all lines up too perfectly!

[radiant crown]

I like it

[merry rune]

yeah how do I send images thank you btw

[radiant crown]

IDK, I think its hidden levels, I have an embeds role which allows it and I think I read this shows up at "level 10"?

[merry rune]

I wonder if its like mee6 or a message milestone

[radiant crown]

sounds like a message milestone as all I do is chat shit in here

[merry rune]

must be maybe 300 or 500

i got a long way to go

[zinc iris]

Well that would make it quite special

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[crimson token]

So The man with the burn scar that kid mentioned could def be Kuzan right?

[merry rune]

yeah

[dim cloak]

We had this conversation a long time ago when that episode dropped, but here's the list of candidates (and why none of them are it):

-Scopper Gaban: For some reason, people think Scooper Gaban is the one with a burn mark. No reason, just that since he was on Roger's crew, they might know something. Kid had the Wano and WCI Red Phoneglyphs, so he should only go look for Zou's and the fourth one that went missing, so I doubt this person who is dettached from this mad race to the finish should know something about the location of the last one. May give info on the one from Zou, but that's kinda it.

-Kuzan and Sabo: People defaulted to Kuzan and Sabo when this came out, but Sabo has no reason to hold that information or care about it and if he had it, he would disclose it ONLY with Luffy. Kuzan makes equally as much sense since he is cooperating with BlackBeard, so if he knew something, he'd tell him. Also, people believe he's a double agent for the Navy still, so I heavily doubt he'd let pirates get closer to the One Piece, even when undercover.

-Dragon: Just as Sabo, no reason for having the information about the Red Phoneglyphs and also people mistakenly thought it was a burn mark on his face when it's clearly a tattoo.

And after mentioning all the people who definetely aren't it, the most likely candidate discussed was... Actually no one we know. Most sensible people believed that the burn mark character is not someone that has been introduced to us yet and it may be a new character who, either is a fishman (burn mark could refer to the mark given to slaves and to the Sun Pirates, which form the Sun Mark. Technically a mark made by a burn, so it counts) or an undisclosed person with ties to the Underworld, since Kid has been shown trying to buy slaves at the Auction House in Sabaody and attending Caesar's Shinokuni presentation.

Also, heads up, if you wanted a clear answer/discussion about this, you should've gone to the manga channels cuz this channel is for informed, long paragraph-form theories substantiated with evidence and not a one-line open question thing.

[crimson token]

oh my bad. gotta pay more attention. thanks for this though. preciate it!

[dim cloak]

No problem homes. You have the thingo besides your name noting you're a newbie, so it's fine if you made a mistake in what this channel is about lol.

[fathom matrix]

for all we know, MARK doesn't have to mean scar necessarily

mark could mean making your mark, there's a flag, a symbol, your titles marks you.

Essentially, this person could wear or carry flames

[dim cloak]

I've not said anything about the person being necessarily scarred, but OK.

I still believe it being a new character and that new character being an underworld-related/former slave fishman/former slave would be cooler, but what are your thoughts about it?

[fathom matrix]

Marked by flames + sun pirates would make sense, cause you are LITERALLY marked by flames of the sun.

ALTHOUGH, there is one theory that someone from Ohara survived, and Ohara burnt down, so he was marked by the flames of the island burning. If Robin made it out alive, it's not out of the question why 1 other person can't

[dim cloak]

Considering they bombarded the whole place down to the ground and even killed an entire ship full of civillians, heavy doubt. That would also be the biggest blue-ball cop-out in regards to Robin, cuz if one person survived and they never even tried to reach Robin to re-assure and help her after what happened, I would be so pissed off.

Besides, there's the fact that this person slipped out of existence so hard that they weren't noticed escaping and weren't ever persecuted not caught or recognized.

So yeah, no offense, but I hope that is wrong.

[pastel glade]

So did vegapunk experiment on kids and turned them into sepherine or the new pacifistas

[pure raven]

Theory: Vegapunk likes touching little kids!

[boreal pecan]

What if that since they made px units of boa, what if they have px of every warlord now? Which means that their could be BUGGY BOTS.

[zinc iris]

well the other was a clone of mihawk

[spare seal]

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/xb1f3c/what_if_the_one_piece_is_a_giant_whos_asleep_for/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

[grim oyster]

Kuma pacifistas could have been a trial of this

What if the reason the navy attacked boas island was for her fruit? They would use the power on the boa pacifista for love love powers

[onyx ibex]

the navy attacked the island cuz she was a warlord cuz. the navy is going after all the warlords

[merry rune]

no because the fruit would only work on people who like kids

[grim oyster]

when the pacifista grows up its gonna be really good tho assuming it does grow

[merry rune]

then yeah maybe but it was really just to arrest them you think they took doffys fruit and put it into a pacifista?!? thatd be nuts

[grim oyster]

they could easily do that hes locked in impel down and has sea prison cuffs on. just send an admiral down there or something and kill him for his fruit

and you dont need the fruit for the pacifista to work

[merry rune]

the WG does just kill pirates for their DF if that was the case theyd just kill every prisoner in impel down theres no need for a prison at that point just murder them all

[merry rune]

no no the seraphim can work without it i never said it needed it you said theyd be going after boa for the love love fruit and just putting it into the seraphim like they did with the laser beams and kizarus fruit

[pure raven]

i think wang zhi/ochoku is "The Man Marked by Flames" that eustass kid was talking about.
i think the rocky port incident was on beehive/hachinosu.
rocky like rocks.
we also know that law was involved in the rocky port incident.
laws reaction (chapter 1056) seems like he knows the "man marked by flames" very well.
||also based on the Rurubu map eustass kid is currently sailing to hachinosu/beehive.||
thoughts?

[fallow bobcat]

Sooo, Ochoku identity and powers?

[fallow bobcat]

That's because the Pacifistas just used what is basically a Radical Beam. I'd say they can't use Kizaru's other abilities.

[pure raven]

he is an ex rox pirat or what do you mean with identity?

[fallow bobcat]

As in have we seen him before

[weak arrow]

We haven’t seen him before. We maybe see his silhouette in 957, but that’s about it. Doubt there’s even remotely enough information to get an idea about a fruit on the guy.

[teal crane]

I have a crazy theory about one piece
so crazy it is not a theory anymore
celestial dragons are all born with a special ability. something different and unique that makes their lineage "superior"
and people caring the D are somewhat of their counter. cancelling that ability
oda once said that the ending of skypia looks similar to how he envision the ending of one piece
maybe that is what he was referring to.
Enel with his thunder making him a god = celestial dragon
and luffy with his "rubber" countering what makes them special
echoing the D
if I am right maybe we have seen it before
for example, maybe only people with the will of D can touch the celestial dragon in the first place.
image they where actually untouchable? not because of their statues but because of that ability... and the reason the wear those stupid bubble thing is to throw people off.
that would make luffy's famous punch against that one dude twice as important, and also a foreshadowing
a true oda moment.

[celest creek]

I have a feeling that we will be getting some back story of blackboard soon. I still think he is related to Xebec.

[pure raven]

Blackboard

[slender fulcrum]

or he found the log of Xebec somewhere and went on to fulfill the Dream of Xebec. Like Luffy heard about the one piece and went to sea, BB learnt about Xebec Journey and tried to uphold his memories and dreams, he's not forced to be a relative. This may be the whole significance behind his " a man's dream, will never die !"
That means that the goal of BB is not the One piece, its to rule the world. So either he dropped the one piece hunt because he think ( or thought ) that the one piece was a mean to an end, and changed mentality because he found something else that'll allows him to rule the world anyway, or he's still aiming at the one piece, but without actively searching for the poneglyph, it's kinda suspucious.

BTW : how does BM, Kaido, and Kidd knows that the red poneglyphs contains the road to Laugh Tale? If I remember well it was Nami who discovered it through Robin's description, so it shouldn't be something widely known ...

[signal silo]

Non-D people were able to touch doflamingo in his flashback

[pure raven]

Bm and Kaido maybe knew from their time in rocks pirates

[dim cloak]

I have heard nowhere this thing you claimed about Oda saying the end of One Piece will mirror Skypea. Like, at all. Bring sauce of it or just... Don't do it again, baseless conjecture.

[dim cloak]

Why are we assuming that everyone from WBs generation had a journal now? Isn't it easier to assume Xebec had a son? Or a disciple? Or a slave? And that person was BlackBeard? We know he was in Fullalead, which then he made his base of operations, just like Xebec did, so there is certainly more choices to take from BB taking a page from Xebec that doesn't rely on him copying Oden's journal thing.

[visual merlin]

Considering he was 2 years old by the time Xebec died disciple or slave wouldn't work. He could be his son but its no safer of an assumption that xebec had a son than it is to assume he had a log book or there's just some stories about him that BB heard

[zinc iris]

or simply is like luffy looked up to roger despite no direct relation and the fact that he died before he was even born
blackbeard being from that time means he could have heard about xebec since the god valley incident still wasn't lost to the fog of time yet

[frail moon]

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/xbhgne/a_disturbing_theory_about_the_void_century/

[teal crane]

first two lines.

I people like you are strange. you never say anything and talk like you know all

[pure raven]

!theories

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[fallow bobcat]

I'm pretty sure Mjosgard clobbered Saint Charloss at the Reverie though

And some normal people tortured the Donquixote family

[fallow bobcat]

Late reply, but I believe the original term that the manga used was "火傷" which means burn

[fathom matrix]

GOTCHA

There are a lot of characters with scars, and some of which are burns.

Marks such as Boa's, Jinbe's and Tiger's are burns.

SO it's likely that it's something with a patterned brand or something burned on.

OR literal scar caused by fire.

I watched a video where people say it may be Dofy, CAUSE he knew a lot of secrets, one of his eyes may have been burnt as we only ever saw one of them, AND people are trying to kill him for what he knows.

So it's likely that it's A. Someone with a branded burn scar B. Someone who's been burnt by fire

[fallow bobcat]

I'd say it's either the ones you just listed, Kuzan or Gaban

[fathom matrix]

Someone brought up that Kuzan may have been working sword, so why would he tell BB, BUT someone mentioned that if he was legit working for BB, why wouldn't he say something about the last ponoglyph?

[scarlet rune]

Maybe he did?

[reef monolith]

Why BlackBeard Wanted Boa's df: he wanted it cause we know rocks dissapered in the god valley incident so he probably got turned to stone with the old user of the mero mero no mi sooo probably blackbeard wanted the fruit to turn back rocks to a human but boa says only the user who change that guy the stone is the only person who can turn him back so probably bb will go to moria and use his df to kinda revive the old user of the mero mero no mi and give it back so he can turn back rocks too a human again

[twin widget]

Boa said diff users can’t reverse the effects past users inflicted, also it was just garp/roger who supposedly beat the rocks pirates

[visual merlin]

Saying he probably got turned to stone is definitely a stretch, however what boa said can mean something else

she said her power comes from her beauty, if someone was more beautiful than her, they may be able to reverse it

I doubt anyone was uglier than Blackbeard and capable of petrifying rocks, but maybe he'll jsut give the fruit to a different crew member

[reef monolith]

first i literally said how they can reverse and second maybe someone on either the marines or rogers crew have the fruit or someene from rocks pirates betrayed

[visual merlin]

Though for now, BB really probably just wanted the fruit cuz its really strong

I doubt Oda would have him fail in getting her fruit if it was so important to his plans

[dim cloak]

I don't know what you're saying. Oda never said that, that I remember.

If you wanna claim stuff like that you should post the evidence with what you write so people don't think you're ass-pulling.

Which is actually asked per the channel rules, bringing evidence with your arguement.

[visual merlin]

cyan is referring to the fact that they acknowledge the theory is fairly crazy, its not like they're claiming its got much going for it

[dim cloak]

Good for him and good for you, I'm not talking about that when I ask for them to deliver evidence both per the channel rules and for the thing "Oda said". If they're gonna claim the author said something, then they should be able to back it up with evidence.

Why is part of staff enabling misuse of this channel? I'm honestly kinda done with people coming in here and doing baseless conjecture that could be cool to discuss on the serious channel or would hand-in-hand with other baseless conjecture said in the two manga channels. I thought the theories channel needed paragraph form and also evidence of what people claim or say, which I've seen none of as of late.

[modest skiff]

Interesting thought and I think it’s good to wonder what exactly is so unique about D folks. Didn’t that one CD get harmed by fishmen before otohime saved him? Or did she just save him before being harmed? I don’t remember.

Also @dim cloak we aren’t super strict about hard evidence being presented. If people at least give some reasons why they think what they think, such as Luffy being perhaps the only time someone punched a CD, it’s within our guidelines. There are some aspects of the One Piece world where we have almost zero hard facts, such as devil fruits. It’s ok for people to have theories when there really isn’t a lot of info. As long as people are elaborating on why they think what they do, it’s totally fine. Our goal for this channel is for people to be comfortable sharing their thoughts, so let’s try to keep it welcoming, even though it’s of course always appropriate to give respectful feedback/critique

[dim cloak]

OK, can we still crack down people who one-line? And the people who enable those other people?

[modest skiff]

If someone just posts one liners, I try to ask them to elaborate because sometimes people have more detailed thoughts than they first post. If they say “no”, then it’s appropriate to remind people of the rules. But sometimes people just need a nudge in the right direction

We have rules for this channel, but we also want to encourage people to contribute ideas. It’s a balance between keeping standards and also not scaring people off. More ideas = better channel, just gotta help people get to the right posting style

[dim cloak]

So is that something you claim as part of the staff team or just your own thoughts?

[velvet edge]

It’s how it is

If you have any concerns my DMs are open

[lament trout]

I have been thinking and would like to hear thoughts on the theory that: There's more to what happened between Koby and Blackbeard at Rocky Port. We know that Koby was labeled a hero and that allowed BB to take over Pirate Island. There seems to be too many parallels between Garp/Rogers teaming up but Garp getting the glory. The fact that Koby has been "abducted" after we see Dark King and Kujas discuss the aftermath there is no indication that Koby being kidnapped was part of the deal. That means that this either happened after they "left the island" or Koby went by his own volition. I think it's the latter, whatever they have together will play a part on the inevitable fight vs SH. I never thought that Koby would be left out of a big part when the final fight eventually starts. It would bring a diff dynamic if he was on BB side vs Luffy.

[dim cloak]

If you say it, I believe it (no offense Mohdy).

[dim cloak]

I mean, I think BlackBeard just nabbed Koby as deterrent so the unpetrified Marines don't fuck with him on his way out.

I definetely agree with the parallels with Garp, but I think that'll happen after Luffy confronts BlackBeard with Koby joining his side, then the Navy playing up Koby so they don't admit that pirates had to save a marine official/pirates and marines can be friends.

I also think it would be a good parallel to his first time in the series being him taken by pirates and forced to work for them. It would kickstart a very interesting arc for Koby on still being too weak to change his fate, then Luffy coming in and reminding him that he can do it if he tries.

[fathom matrix]

That could work perhaps, they say Shirohoshi rivals her beauty, so it'd be funny if Shirohoshi came out of nowhere, the statues were infront of her and they turned back to normal, and Boa had this face

and the thing is, I don't kinda doubt it. This is a serious one piece chat theories, and I am serious, it would also work by Oda's writing style.

PLUS, for all we know, Boa could be lying about the fruit

Maybe it does make you beautiful, maybe it doesn't, but if the statues are probably in the presence of or see a person who's just as beautiful if not more than Boa, chances are, they could turn back

Or hell, maybe if Boa does die the DF effect reverses

[modest skiff]

Boa said if she dies they stay stone forever. Her power appears to be one of the “changes something physically” rather than “temporarily altered”. Examples being if Marco lights something on fire, it’s not reversed. But if Barto dies his barrier goes away

[fathom matrix]

That's true and without any inner monologues or true terror coming from her face it can't be confirmed, but I wouldn't put it past her to lie, as, yaknow, she has lied before about stuff.

[modest skiff]

Sure, it is a good bluff regardless. It would be a smart lie. Hard to say though

Plenty of power effects do persist, so all I can really do is shrug

[fathom matrix]

But it's more likely that she's telling the truth and considering the seriousness of the expression it's not a lie

[latent oxide]

I think the logic's pretty good here

[visual merlin]

well if someone else had the fruit boa would just be dead

Also we've little to no reason to believe she's lying anyway. I wouldn't call it particularly hard to say until we've got indication otherwise. Though yes the impression I get is that if someone were as beautiful as boa they'd be able to turn the statues back

[latent oxide]

Agreed

[fathom matrix]

and the thing about DFs is, we know they can be cloned, even perfectly as shown via Momo, BUT we're insure of it is possible to safely remove a fruit power without killing someone.

[visual merlin]

doesn't seem to be

[golden cradle]

Hello

[latent oxide]

A devilfruit is attached to the soul of the person from the first bite and thus i do not believe it will be in any way safe to try to detach the soul from it

[modest skiff]

Hello and welcome, please review the channel description for guidelines for this specific channel

[latent oxide]

If powers are taken from a alive person ,it will most likely take the soul with it resulting in a empty living body

[zinc iris]

the wording lends to the interpretation that the potency of the petrification depends on the beauty of the user, so while the petrification doesn't become inherently permanent with her death, it becomes de facto because the new user would neet to be as beautiful as her to be able to reverse it

[pure raven]

Barto might end up dying. But it’ll be badass and he’ll save the crew

[latent oxide]

Or kill a person thought I imagine some very strong people could possibly survive afterwards due to their haki and stong mind like law,katakuri

[radiant crown]

Is that what it said?

[latent oxide]

I doubt they'll save him just to kill him in the end

[zinc iris]

she says that it's her beauty that makes her power that strong

[lament trout]

great points thx very interesting future for Luffy Sabo and Koby in the final arc I guess we are getting 3 converging stories and Blackbeard is just an added complexity

[modest skiff]

I wouldn't mind Koby being being our pathway to understanding the motivations of SWORD and BB at the same time. It would fit well with my stubborn belief that BB is an anti-hero. If BB and Sword have overlapping objectives, it is possible BB set up a situation for Koby to hero'ized the same way Smoker was when Croc was overthrown. BB fabricates a situation for Koby to be a hero, Koby rises through the ranks, opening doors for BB. Koby has an established history of standing up to Akainu and the Navy as a whole. That could have been when he became disillusioned with what the Navy really is, which opened up the path to him trying to find a place where he feels more at home. If BB saw the opportunity to approach Koby during that time, it would be a big win for him.

"Let me explain to you why I am doing what I am doing" has been shown to be enough to convince a lot of people. I think when you look at BB's history of extremely advanced knowledge, his long time plans, etc, it feels like he is able to say things to people that really get them motivated to join him. It feels like all he needs to do is have a conversation and that person joins.

[dim cloak]

I actually don't think we've ever seen Koby defy Akainu and the Marines as a whole more than two times: one with Morgan and one with Akainu in Marineford.

I also don't know why would BB want Koby to succeed in the Navy for his own benefit. Wouldn't it be better if he did like Doflamingo and groomed someone into a Navy double agent? And if SWORD's objective is to have a secret agenda against the Navy, wouldn't Koby and SWORD as a whole go to Luffy? We know X-Drake is the captain of SWORD and he was convinced to go get help from Luffy when he was in trouble HEEDING the advice Koby gave him, so why would they default to BB? You could argue he may have threatened to kill Koby and that's how, but that's still way too much hope in Koby making it into a secret organization within the Navy that I don't think would've existed by the time of the Rocky Port incident.

I'm not unconvinced by the idea of BB using Koby in a """"""collaboration"""""" to get inside info on the Navy, but if Koby and SWORD's objectives were always to go against their own organization to change it, then I think they would've defaulted to Luffy first and Koby is more of BB's bottom bitch, mirroring his time with Alvida.

[modest skiff]

Yeah, but it was a pretty pronounced defiance in MF. And Akainu was ready to kill him. I imagine watching the leadership ordering a bunch of death and being willing to kill you would make people hesitate if they are on the right side.

Doffy getting vergo into the navy is the kind of thing I’m imagining, but where Koby is already in the navy.

I don’t think we know XDrake is a captain of sword. Where is that stated?

What I am imagining is a situation where Koby might be loyal to both in their own way. XDrake was clear about how “hey our objectives overlap at this moment, I know we aren’t allies but we should work together right now”

I’m not convinced sword is anti navy. Maybe anti CD though. Garp being involved makes me think and hope Sword dreams of a world with the navy at the top rather than the CDs. If BB and sword both want to overthrow the CDs, I can see room for Koby to see BB’s potential goals as worth helping

[dim cloak]

Considering there are a lot of people in the Navy who believe in absolute justice, I don't think they would bat too many eyes if someone was killed for insubordination.

On the rest, I think it's a pretty solid-tight arguement, I don't have many issues with it. I pretty much agree with you on paper, just not on the exact execution.

[winged talon]

I think I know why bb wanted boas fruit

[visual merlin]

why is that?

[modest skiff]

Interesting. I wonder what exactly it means to be a captain. I assume not the leader, but maybe?

[winged talon]

Boas fruit can only freeze people with the beam but turn people to stone when touching them

[visual merlin]

why do you think it wouldn't mean the leader?

[dim cloak]

I'm guessing Captain means like, the leading force in the action of the activities done by SWORD, while someone else is the active leader who orders them around.

[visual merlin]

So just because the fruit is strong?

[ebon idol]

i don't think he's the leader, probably a rank in the marine. wouldn't it be fleet admiral of sword for the leader?

[visual merlin]

no not really

it could just be captain the same way there are pirate captains

So far he does seem to be the leader, but there's probably someone who orders them like akainu

[pure raven]

I have a theory

[visual merlin]

a situation like kinemon being the leader of the scabbards but oden being the one who orders them around

[ebon idol]

i'm guessing this type of captains

[radiant crown]

Who is the leader of sword? Wonder if its garp

I wonder how koby got involved with sword

[dim cloak]

@modest skiff

[visual merlin]

This channel isn't really for joke theories, if you have an actual in depth theory you wanna talk about you're free to mention it here though

[pure raven]

Rocks.d.cebex is Dragons father and Luffy is the cousin of Blackbeard

[winged talon]

Sorry I’m late but no I think it’s because he can preserve devil fruits

[visual merlin]

why do you think he'd want to preserve devil fruits like that?

[teal crane]

I like you already.
normal based common sense

[winged talon]

So no one can take him down once he’s king of the world

[visual merlin]

why not just preserve the fruits the normal way then

in fruit form

there would be no need to preserve the actual people as statues

[winged talon]

When you in stone your not dead you are simple frozen so the devil fruits can’t respawn and no one can sneak in and eat them

[visual merlin]

just feed em to people

[winged talon]

He would make the devil fruits unusable

[pure raven]

Blackbeard can absorb souls with his darkness fruit, if you eat a devil fruit the devil fruit will take your soul. and Blackbeard brings the soul into darkness and absorbs it and holds the soul within himself. thus he has multiple fruits and souls

[visual merlin]

I think thats just a stretch, he can just feed the fruits to people on his crew instead

[dim cloak]

Stupid meme aside, I actually think this is right, just instead of souls, change it to the devils inside devil fruits.

[winged talon]

He doesn’t have enough crew members to do that and there are so many devil fruits that he would want to eliminate the chance any one else could have them

[visual merlin]

sure he does

[pure raven]

How can I send pictures in this Chatt ?

[visual merlin]

he has plenty of fodder, and even commanders who lack fruits

[dim cloak]

Laww is right, he would have no use to use Boa's fruit like a storage to keep DF Users alive and then depetrify them when he wants to.

Specially because if the current user dies, they wouldn't be able to revert the petrification of the previous, like she stated, so it would be a really dumb move to stockpile DF users this way cuz then he would have a lot of DFs be useless or downright inexistent unless he breaks the statues.

[modest skiff]

Well a captain of a navy ship is not the leader of the whole organization. Maybe there’s a Sword fleet admiral. Heck if I know. Maybe sword is just a single crew, meaning XDrake is the leader. We know about as much about sword as we do Uranus: nothing

[visual merlin]

Yea but thats within the normal rankings. If we're going by normal rankings, we'd have to also assume there's several captains, on top of commodores, rear admirals, vice admirals, admirals, and a fleet admiral. It couldn't be that this is his normal navy rank because his was already rear admiral. Also, when coby is introduced, it calls him a member, so when drake is called the captain that likely refers to being the leader

[pure raven]

in one piece everything gets flooded the only place that doesn't get flooded this place where the world's aristocrats live. this kingdom where the ugly people live who are higher than kings. and when these people these world aristocrats go to normal islands they have a diving suit with a breathing bag. you have this breathing bag on in case of emergency imu sama floods the rest of the world so you don't die drowning you have this protection on. and imu sama has the water fruit he can control the ocean

[radiant crown]

How does someone get inducted into Sword with the leader being a captain?

Like how does Smoker go up to Koby and say "yo kid, we got this secret organisation, our captain is a pirate captainfrom the worst generation, but he's totally a double agent so its all cool"

Someone HAS to be pulling the strings high up in the marines, Garp or Aokiji are my guesses

[winged talon]

But that’s not in black beards charters to go out of his way to give random fodder dumb fruits I think he want control over the fruits the same way the world possibly government does if the devil fruit tree theory is correct. Black bear plans too far ahead for that

[visual merlin]

what makes that out of his character, but makes just freezing fruits in character?

if anything, thats more in his character because that would actually make his men stronger

[pure raven]

his last name is teach

[radiant crown]

actually wouldn't his last name be marshall?

[pure raven]

And Blackbeards island is the island where rocks d cebex was before 25 years. Blackbeard found rocks d cebex in a cave in this island . That’s why he go to boa Hancock, to steal her fruit

[winged talon]

Black beard wanted boas fruit so bad he was willing to let his crew die for it all I’m saying is he would need it for his plan to rule the world in the similar fashion to the world government

[dim cloak]

None of Rocks' crew worried about him post God Valley and the place was erased from the maps, so why would anyone grab his corpse and leave it on Fullalead instead of just... Breaking is so they kill him and he's no more?

Why would they risk having him unsealed by keeping his body alive somewhere else?

[dim cloak]

His intent wasn't to kill her so he gets the fruit while sacrificing his crew, he just didn't trusted her when she said she'd unpetrify his crew if he leaves cuz she could just turn on him and easily defeat him.

He just didn't wanted to risk dying over saving his whole crew, it had nothing to do with her fruit or any kind of sacrifice.

[modest skiff]

@pure raven , we ask that people write out long-form thoughts here rather than quick 1 liners. That is why we have a very long slow mode on this channel. Please choose to write out your thoughts in paragraph form rather than just tossing out 1 liners. If you prefer to write in 1 liners, please take your thoughts to #manga or #also-manga since they are more "casual" channels

[dim cloak]

Thank you Mohdoo, praise be to thee.

[radiant crown]

I'd argue Im wants to control the events around the emergence of the Nika fruit.

I think its possible that the user of the Nika model fruit is required to do something. Something that not even Im necessarily wants to stop

They knew Luffy had the gomu gomu no mi, and the Elders and Im must know its relation to Nika, but did not exactly send out Akainu to execute him the moment he emerged.

[winged talon]

He wasn’t worried about his crew boa was the one using them as leverage

[pure raven]

Man every chance or nearly every chance they get they have tried killing Luffy. If imu wanted Luffy alive his bounty would just say alive not alive or dead

[modest skiff]

It wasn't clear how important each component was to BB. All we know is that once Rayleigh was willing to join the fight, BB decided it was too risky to push the issue, so he backed off. We aren't given a conclusion to how BB would have handled Boa's threats

[dim cloak]

Yeah, I don't disagree, I'm just saying he didn't wanted to kill her to get the fruit there and then by sacrificing his own crew, rather he wanted to survive and he didn't trust she would honor her part of the deal instead of just turning him to stone inmediately.

[pure raven]

Tbh I don’t even think bb thought Rayleigh was gonna fight it’s more Rayleigh was a good 3rd party

[winged talon]

I guess I wait then but if my frozen devil fruit theory is true y’all got to apologize

[radiant crown]

BB seemed to err on the side of killing Boa, until Rayleigh showed up

[dim cloak]

Anyways, I had a thought about the location of the Adam tree. Apologize if the arguement isn't too long or thought of cuz there isn't much evidence and the linking of this information wouldn't make any of your eyes pop in amazement.

So when Franky was explaining the Adam's tree capabilities and it's wood's, he told the tale of a country who, in spite of many wars and bloddy conflicts, had the Adam tree growing tall.

And I actually think, would Vira be the country that possesses the Adam Tree? Considering the only thing we know about the place is that it's constantly in conflict by insurgents and civil wars, it would make sense that Vira, whose only definition IS that it has constant conflict, would be the location of the Adam Tree based on the description of the country it's in given by Franky.

It also makes sense why there is constant wars and problems considering they house a very important and valuable resource. Maybe the civil wars and insurgence problems are rooted in activists vs the rule in that island wanting to capitalize on the Adam's Tree wood.

I dunno, just some good food for thought theory I had while withstanding one-liners in here.

[visual merlin]

He wanted the fruit bad enough to go there, he didn't plan for his crew to get stoned, and by the time they were, his logic was if he let her go, she'd probably petrify him too, it wasn't that he wanted her fruit over them. The fruit just seems to be a strong one, not much more than that

[dim cloak]

Basically what I was arguing, his decisions were made pretty on the spot, so heavy doubt his thought was to sacrifice strong people just to get it, specially Impel Down Level 6 escapees who have been loyal and strong for him.

[modest skiff]

Since this conversation has drifted away from any specific theory, let's please move this conversation to #manga-serious

[winged talon]

My frozen devil fruit theory goes that with boas fruit black beard would easily be Abel to kill people easily but also preserve devil fruit users/ devil fruits making them unusable and he could stop the inheriting of will cycle which plays a big theme I think he would do this so 1: it would be more difficult for some one to same just eat a stored devil fruit 2: keep potentially powerful devil fruits from respawning keeping him in power if he does become king of the world 3: keeps him with executive power over people he doesn’t trust doing what he did to thatch

[dim cloak]

It's sad that no one got any attention over to my Adam tree theory cuz of this.

[winged talon]

It’s a good theory man sorry I didn’t read it I was try to develop mine

[modest skiff]

It’s possible but since he has been able to steal devil fruits from people who are incapacitated why not just steal the fruit? Or are you saying maybe he can only transfer powers in that moment rather than steal the fruit? I suppose if we assume BB can only transfer and isn’t able to store powers for later, it’s reasonable. Hard to say really. We just know he wanted her fruit when he heard the navy was attacking her island. But we have no indication he had plans for it before that.

[modest skiff]

Link it? You can always feel free to bring up past theories if they got no responses as long as you don’t do it excessively

[dim cloak]

@modest skiff

[lusty token]

Why do you think Angel Boa's eyes are different from regular Boa's but Holy Mihawk is the same?

[modest skiff]

I think this is possible and it matches the description we have. The only thing that makes me skeptical is the fact that no one else appears to have ships made from this tree. It does not seem like even the best navy ships are made from Adam wood. Not Kaido’s ships either. So I think that whenever this tree is, it is considered too risky to attack, similar to Wano

[dim cloak]

I mean, Vira seems to pay the toll of the CDs, so it would be extremely bad for the WG and the Navy to hurt nations allied to them, which Wano isn't, hence why Ryokugyu attacked it.

Not only that but it seems like they sell the wood at very large prices (the Sunny isn't that big compared to Navy Warships, so the lumber that would be needed to make warships like that would be extremely costy, specially considering that money would only be used for the making of the ship, not accounting the weaponry, the furniture and needed installments like showers and the such. Making ships is so costy Big Mom considered Tamago's offer of accepting Fishman Island's treasure along with the Tamatebako to repair 2 ships Kid destroyed over destroying Luffy for offending her and eat her food tribute.

So yeah, considering they're allies of the WG and that their wood would be expensive, coupled with my personal theory of activists wars being why there's so much conflict around Vira, which would house the Adam Tree, I think these are very good reasons why the WG/Navy both attacks Vira and why there aren't many warships made by that wood, if any.

To add to this, the Sunny is also not indestructible. Big Mom was able to destroy parts of it when she invaded it back in WCI. Sure, she isn't the best example cuz someone as strong as her makes sense would be able to chip away at the ship, but still, the wood isn't indestructible to damage, just very sturdy. Garp throwing that big iron chain ball also would've destroyed the Sunny, according to everyone on board, so there's also that.

[bold gull]

either Boa didn't awake her star-shaped pupils yet, or she had them as a kid and lost them growing up

[lusty token]

Why would she have star pupils?

[dim cloak]

Probably just an artistic decision, not worth thinking too deep into it and specially not on this channel.

[lusty token]

No way we're this deep and saying star eyes are artistic decision

[dim cloak]

Yes. It's not something worth looking too much into. At least, not without a good arguement as to why, since you just entered here with a one line open question.

[lusty token]

I mean it does nake me think of the importance of eyes

[radiant crown]

To me it was a sign of her artificial-ness, but Baby-mihawks eyes are obviously relevant to his identity so they were kept. I kind of expect other seraphim to have star eyes

[lusty token]

We have the nika eyes which could be representative of the sun. And now star eyes

Also if Mihawks (and therefore Imu and Zunesha??) dna is so strong that a bioengineered clone of him just changes vegapunks formula to keep his pupil the same shape, that's wild

[dim cloak]

I keep thinking that without sufficient proof, this isn't really relevant. You're not the first person to point at those 3 having the same ring around the pupil eyes, but since none of that has been actually explored or pointed out in the story as weird or special, then it makes no sense for us to think it is too. There are other characters who have sameish types of eyes and that doesn't mean they are genetical superhuman races or anything.

So yeah, just pointing at a simile and saying "Wow, what could this mean?!?!" without any proof is just pointless discussion.

[lusty token]

So we should write off seraphim Boa Hancock having star shaped eyes as just an artistic decision but when we see a seraphim Mihawk with no difference in his eyes we shouldn't call attention to it?
Also my initial point wasn't to point out the connection between Mihawk and others it was to point to the discontinuity between Sera Mihawk and Sera Boa as they are both Seraphim. Now to be fair, this could be a non-sequiter as we haven't seen any other Seraphim yet but at the same time even if all the other Sera's have non star eyes it would still be either a question on the Boa side or Mihawk side. Why does Sera Boa have star eyes and no others? And/or why does Sera Mihawk have Mihawk's eyes and not some random shape?
Maybe the star eyes simply imply extra functions of Sera Boa we haven't seen. Idk. But it's strange to just write it off

And in a world with long-legged people, long-armed people, snake-necked people, fish people, three-eyed people and furries, even if Mihawks eyes were weird would they stand out enough to notice? That being said I don't necessarily put too much stock in that idea.

[modest skiff]

If you’re interested, here are my thoughts on the eyes #manga-theories message

[radiant crown]

Luffy's eyes in G5 do not have the middle ring

Here's Luffy showing the same eyes in Dressrosa

[lusty token]

Yh there's a difference between the angry/crazy eyes and the Mihawk, Imu, Hakuba eyes

[modest skiff]

This feels different from

[radiant crown]

That single panel, with the sketch marks, does seem different, but plenty of other G5 panels go back to just a normal fighting mode Luffy

another panel vs doffy this time

[pure raven]

Weevil is a failed attempt of Vegapunk to create a clone/seraphim of whitebeard's lineage factor.

[lusty token]

Tbh G5 just makes the eyes look more sketched and a lityle crazier

[clever lintel]

If we get a reveal that Crocodile was the empress before Hancock, I think his name would be after this species of flower

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crocoideae

[rapid nexus]

I really hope these Seraphin shit doesn't get too overpowered

[modest skiff]

Good comment for #manga but please read the channel description for the intention of this channel

[grand walrus]

The one piece is a message from sun God Nika. The reason it is funny is because itis very crudely drawn (think: luffys terrible jolly Roger drawing) which would explain why Roger's doctor thought he may be the one after seeing the terrible jolly Roger. There may be also a missing piece of information that only with his horrible art would be able to understand explaining Silvers Rayleigh saying you may come to a different conclusion than we did

[merry rune]

I believe the man marked by flames isn't going to be any of the candidates people have thrown up and instead a man mentioned in the latest chapter Wang Zhi, but here's the list of candidates (and why none of them are it):

-Scopper Gaban: For some reason, people think Scooper Gaban is the one with a burn mark. No reason, just that since he was on Roger's crew, they might know something. Scopper has been out of the game for years how would he know where the final missing road poneglyph is?

-Kuzan and Sabo: Kuzan would only tell BB since they're cooperating and since he's a former admiral some people think he's working undercover so why would he help people get closer to the One Piece? Sabo just doesn't really have a reason to know anything about the Road Poneglyphs and if he did he'd only tell luffy about it anyway.

-Dragon: Just as Sabo, no reason for having the information about the Red Poneglyphs and also people mistakenly thought it was a burn mark on his face when it's clearly a tattoo.

And after mentioning all the people who definetely aren't it, another candidate i'd like to propose is Wang Zhi.Wang Zhi being a former Rocks Member could very well know the location of the last poneglyph and story wise he has actually been around unlike Scopper. We havent seen Wang Zhi once in the story yet so this is all just head cannon but looking at Law's reaction the Man Marked By Flames could very well have something to do with the Rocky Port Incident.

We haven't learned much about the Rocky Port Incident but what we do know is that Law, Koby, BB ,and now Wang Zhi were all involved somehow and Wang Zhi was dethroned as King of the Pirate Island and BB took over. Now BB never said he killed Wang Zhi but he could've left him with a huge scar shaped as fire. Either way I can't wait to see who it is.

[grand walrus]

Sounds cool BTW u copy pasted twice

[visual merlin]

Most of this is fine, but then there's no good reason for why its Wang zhi either. For example its fair to say there's no big argument for scopper, but then its even worse for wang zhi, as we've even less reason to believe he has info on it, and just as little reason to think he has a burn mark or is involved

[merry rune]

where?!?!

[merry rune]

the only way i tried to make wang zhi diffrent from scooper was laws expession as he knows something about which could tie back to rocky port and the burn mark could be totally wrong as we've never seen him

[visual merlin]

I wouldn't say that does much though, law may have some info but then so does kid somehow. And if thats all, then I would say thats cancelled out by Scopper actually being confirmed to have some level of info on one piece

[ebon idol]

i have a different theory regarding the identity of the man marked by flames. i'll give the general idea of the theory here but the complete analysis is available in my youtube channel, it has automatic english translation that may not be perfect but it's there.
When asking myself who the man marked by fire was I thought about what information we were given about him. man marked by flames, his face must have a burn. so instead of searching for every character who can have a fire burn, i started thinking about who was the one who burned that guy. we only know a few relevant characters that are able to use fire and that use it as one of their main thing. it couldn't be marco because he has healing flames, it couldn't be ace or sabo because i wouldn't see any of them buring someone's face off. There are a few others that I won't mention but one of them stands out, King, the lunarian fire seems to be something really important and for me he's the one that burned the man marked by fire.
My theory is that vegapunk is the man marked by fire, he had his face burned by king when him and kaido escaped from vegapunk's lab (theory also works if it was kaido that burned him but i prefer for it to be king), law knows about it, he spent two years on punk hazard, vegapunk's lab. We're probably meeting vegapunk soon which would make that kidd sentence relevant.
let me know what you guys think

[merry rune]

why would vegapunk know about the one piece and the 4th poneglyph

[ebon idol]

i would expect that from the smartest man in the world that has all the resources of the world government. i think it makes more sense that people who think it's aokiji sabo or the only theories i heard of

[frail vine]

But the whole world knows Vegapunk's name so why would kid refer to him as "the man marked by flames" instead of just Vegapunk

[ebon idol]

who wants everyone to know that their face has been burned. honestly i don't have an explanation for it but i would guess the world government would want to hide the fact that their main scientist has information about poneglyphs and one piece. it would make him a target

[rapid nexus]

Honestly i still go with the theory that vegapunk isnt really apart of the WG, rather a Revolutionary Army member…. And also i feel like It would be a new character we have never met before, but has been lightly touched upon in the past. Honestly if you ask me, the first thing that came to my mind was the right hand man of Rocks.

[ebon idol]

i would argue that rocks didn't have a right hand man, he just had a bunch of really strong people. it can still be one of his crew members, or another character but i think it's vegapunk. and if vegapunk is a traitor to the wg, he could use man marked by flames as a code name when giving information that the wg doesn't want revealed

[merry rune]

he has no connection to such

just like sabo why would he know about the location of a poneglyph hes a revolutionary they have no reason to look for the one piece

[ebon idol]

it could just be that the government are the ones holding the last poneglyph, they may not be after the one piece but they need to stop people from finding it and you can't do that without knowing what you want to avoid

[scarlet rune]

The reason they aren’t after it is so no one betrays them

In final war some marines will betray the wg due to the one piece they’re trying to avoid also to hide imu strength maybe

[celest creek]

Sabo conveys himeself as too convenient of a character. Sort of out of place if you will. He may be a Rouge agent now 😳 👀 🤔

[modest skiff]

What makes you think that? Just a gut instinct or is there some evidence?

[grand walrus]

what do u think of the possibility that kuma kills dragon

[celest creek]

I don't know, it's kinda more of the vibe I get off of him.

[grand walrus]

i dont think the WG would use sabo that way. if he is anythink like ace he will go and do something stupid and hot headed and get the revolutionaries dragged into a fight

[celest creek]

I don't think Kuma can kill dragon, unless it is a surprise attack

[rapid nexus]

No way kuma kills… in-fact i think he will sacrafice again. There will be a situation where revolutionary army is in desperate situation, and a spark lights up in Kuma, and protects dragon as his last act of humanity just before he gets officially killed off.

[pure raven]

i think the will of d could be someone embedding conquerors haki into people like u would with a weapon and their descendants all have that will passed on. so maybe theyre not all blood related but through haki

[junior lodge]

I have thought a little bit about the dreams each of the strawhats have... we have luffy (wants to become pirate king), we have zoro (wants to become world strongest swordsman), we have sanji (wants to find the all blue) and then we have ussop who wants to become a great warrior of the seas.. most of those dreams are pretty strqight forward but i did think about ussops a lot because it is kind of vague and not as straight forward as the others. My guess is that in order to become a brave warrior of the seas he will in the end die in order to safe the other strawhats which is probably the bravest thing he could do being the scared person he is.

Disclaimer i watched op in german so i might have messed something up with the translation and also i m sure forget a lot of stuff so tell me if i messed something up

[slender fulcrum]

We have for the moment no reason to think that Rocks pirate were interested or knew what were the poneglyph

[pseudo maple]

hey, not sure where to write this, so writing in the one channel where people should expect long paragraphs:
so, saw a poll on reddit on who will be the next strawhat, and it included vivi (albeit as part of the category of "people we have met like vivi, rebecca etc)
and it reminded me of how people who were not fans of yamato (esp) or carrot joining the crew would bring up vivi's status as the 10th member of luffy's crew who is just on hold until some future event.
now, my heart tells me she is not going to be a crew member proper. because she is a weapon or person-of-significance at the same level as shirahoshi or momo.
but, there was that whole deal with the strawhats farewell with her.
so, my question is: is she a nakama or a tomodachi? did they call her a partner or a friend? if they called her a nakama, did they call any other friend a nakama or do they call all other friends just "friends"

am i getting anywhere or just rambling? do you see where i'm going with this?

[dark palm]

I downloaded the raws for situations like this

give me a second

もう一度仲間（nakama)と呼んでくれますか！？

the left text bubble there

"Will you call me your shipmate/nakama!?"

whole statement is "But if we ever see eachother again, will you call me your nakama?!"

to which they all reply with the iconic

oh, you had another part to this

but nakama in this instance is very specifically crewmate, yeah

especially in the context of the moment, with her wanting to leave and join them but being unable to

[pseudo maple]

1. bloody excellent research and retrieval skills JubaTheTube
2. did any other friend get addressed the same way?

[dark palm]

I'm struggling to think of someone, but as far as I can recall Carrot for example was never referred to as their nakama

luffy I think referred to gaimon with the word lmao

but he was actually asking him to join

[dark palm]

to clarify, not that I think she won't join (well, I don't think she'll join at this point but this statement is independent of that), she just hasn't been in a situation where it was used

and I can't think of anyone else who would really fit that? I guess

[pseudo maple]

right, so vivi is -at least- a special friend in some way

[dark palm]

yeah, I think for all intents and purposes, she's basically a crew mate. Now, whether she'll actually re-join the crew is up in the air

and I don't think the "10 crewmates only!" theory really holds pat given Yamato is basically in the same place as Vivi now

in that he's most likely joining after the borders of Wano open up and it's safe again

[pseudo maple]

juba dono when they make electro-chimical neuro enhancements workable, one of the things i will do with all that processing poer is watch/read one piece start to finish again in situations like these

[dark palm]

I've contemplated administering shocks to myself with a car battery but I don't have the balls to go through with it

for some reason I thought you were referring to inducing amnesia in order to rewatch the series

which is why I brought up the jumper cable attempt

but yeah, though it's a substitute, I'd love to see a fully annotated OP translation

with little quirks for various random things like this

jokes lost in translation, cultural references, etc.

[pseudo maple]

misspelled power*
also jumper cable would give you one rewatch, in those final eternity moments before death, probably

oh, right, so you forget it and then watch it afresh
no, i meant to revisit and think it over

[dark palm]

maybe someone will do it someday, in color to boot

[ebon idol]

Just want to add one last point, Oda actually foreshadowed my theory during timeskip, when we see Franky, he’s caught in an explosion in VEGAPUNK’S lab and his face burns off

[dark palm]

would be a pretty random and hilarious throwback if vegapunk had done the exact same thing as franky lol

the only reason I'm hesitant there is that Vegapunk is such a known name I'd expect them to just say "Vegapunk"

[ebon idol]

But If he’s a mole for the revolutionary army, he would want to use a code name when giving away information

[dark palm]

ah I see someone brought this up before, and yeah I can understand wanting a code name

but that would be a pretty dangerous codename if your face was burned off lmao

[ebon idol]

Maybe he wears a mask or something to hide his face or he reconstructed it with technology

[pseudo maple]

has anyone discussed him being a freed slave? out of the way possibility since he works for the government; but if he was one of the slaves of celestial dragons freed by fisher tiger, and marked with the sun pirates symbol? or some variation of this situation....

[broken raven]

hey guys, what about this theory? maybe it has some truth in it?

[pure raven]

I’ve never heard of that myth do they say which it is? Like what’s the name of it? Bc if they don’t say it might be an ass pull lol

[broken raven]

It's called The White Dragon Admiral Theory, I saw it on reddit.
https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/dkp0vs/the_white_dragon_admiral_theory/

[pure raven]

I meant the name of the myth not the theory

[broken raven]

I don't know the name of the myth, but it is a part of Chinese mythology.

[pure raven]

"The "mythology" that this theory is using as a basis is completely wrong. In actual Chinese mythology it is true that there are 4 symbols representing North, South, West and East. They are called many things: 4 Winds, 4 Legendary Beasts, 4 Guardians etc, so I will just call them the 4 symbols.

First off the colours in the 4 symbols are specifically Red, Blue, White and Black not Red, Blue, White and Yellow. More importantly though the animals listed and colour combinations are almost entirely off, the actual animals are a Vermillion Bird (Phoenix), White Tiger, Black Tortoise and Azure Dragon. They are also associated with specific directions, Red = South, Blue = East, White = West, Black = North, so this theory is wrong about that as well.

So besides the Dragon, none of the animals listed in this theory have a Chinese myth about them all together. Instead the trio of Dog, Monkey and Pheasant/Bird all originates from the Japanese legend of Momotaro the Peach boy but this has no connection whatsoever to the Chinese myth of 4 symbols, so there is no 4th animal in the Momotaro legend meant to complete a quartet.

I know OP didn't write this theory, but the person who did literally just combined these 2 completely different myths from separate cultures to make a nice sounding theory hoping nobody knows enough to understand how the entire basis of it is wrong."

The 1st comment under the post

[broken raven]

But it is still a possible theory though, we know that Oda likes to combine myths and historical facts.

[split dagger]

So we have the new pacifist, seraphim that copy the warlord, but why stop there, maybe we will see a Roger seraphim because in theory the world government has his DNA, they killed him or white beard seraphim and ace's

[pure raven]

It’s possible and the crazy part is they also have Kaido oni dna

[steady prism]

The Seaphim “could” have Kaido’s DNA, but we don’t know for sure. Afaik, King has always showed a high level of durability in his fight against Zoro. That to me explains why the Kuja pirates couldn’t make a scratch on the Seraphims, because of King’s Lunarian DNA.

[pure raven]

I dotn mean like it’s in the ssg I mean the wg just has access to it

[steady prism]

Oh, then yea I agree it’ll be fun to see what they do with Kaido’s DNA

[steady prism]

After discussing the morality behind the Seraphims, I just realized that there is middle-ground that would make the most sense story-wise: what if they are indeed cyborgs, but Vegapunk finally figured out how to fuse a devil fruit lineage factor into machinery.

Some of Vegapunk's greatest feats involved devil fruits. A long time ago, Vegapunk figured out how to combine a devil fruit with a weapon, and later on, Vegapunk also made his own artificial devil fruit in PH (that was labeled a “failure”).

With all of his knowledge/experience with devil fruits, I believe he has perfected the artificial devil fruit creation and made a piece of machinery “eat” it. Heck, with his knowledge on lineage factors, what if he’s now able to cut out the middle man and directly “injects” a lineage factor (or several) into a machine?

This would make the Seraphim the logical successor to the pre-timeskip Pacifistas using feats that we know Vegapunk has been able to achieve thus far. Anyway just a quick little theory that makes the most sense to me.

[zealous ingot]

For me he was always able to imbue pieces of machinery with devil fruit powers : the Kuma pacifistas are seen launching laser-beam attacks that reproduce Kizaru's

[steady prism]

Afaik in Ch509, X Drake says that Vegapunk “reproduced Kizaru’s ability”, which leads me to believe that Vegapunk probably used Kizaru’s “beam powers” as inspiration to create a weapon that Pacifistas wield in their hands/mouths.

It’s kind of muddy but I don’t think Vegapunk ever imbued machinery with existing devil fruit powers because that would require him to make an artificial logia devil fruit. I agree he helped show how to imbue an uneaten Zoan devil fruit with a weapon/machine.

[zealous ingot]

From what I gather, Vegapunk can either reproduce some of a DF's specific powers (such as Kizaru's light-beam) OR infuse a weapon with an actual, integral DF. I guess the question now is which (combination) of these two approaches would be used on the Seraphs? (edit: if any...)

[modest skiff]

I think Devil Fruits are the best example/template for a scientist to study lineage factor. You could consider devil fruits incredibly advanced technology. Take some pre-selected lineage factor, eat a fruit, boom, you now have that power. I think VP's work studying devil fruits is what allowed him to make Boa/Lunarian hybrids. Since we know Judge made genetically engineered kids, no reason VP couldn't too.

I'm not convinced the Seraphims have to be robots. Could just be genetically modified humans. I guess Boa/Lunarian LF could be injected into a machine. But right now I see no reason to assume machine rather than biological

[zealous ingot]

I'm kinda confused as to whether they're biological or mechanical in nature. I see your point, I agree that mixing the Warlords' and Lunarian DNAs seem to point at something biological.

But then, what they're most similar to, from a story perspective, should be the Kuma pacifistas we're used to. We know Kuma used to be human. Why should we assume the Kuma pacifistas were 100% mechanical themselves?

And so, if they're not, how to assume the Seraphims aren't mechanically enhanced? Or even one-offs...?

[radiant crown]

They could also be similar t the vinsmoke siblings, they are genetically modified people with repressed emotions and raised sense of loyalty to command

[zealous ingot]

So we can assume they're at least SOME PART biological, because having a Lunarian body with Warlords' features implies so.

But we cannot assume they're 100% biological, the same way we can't assume the Kuma pacifistas were 100% mechanical - is what I'm trying to say.

[radiant crown]

To me the star eyes are the only symbol we have of potential machinery

[zealous ingot]

I agree. You could also make the point that Kuma was "cyborgified" as an adult, maybe they're supposed to age before they are too.

[slender fulcrum]

It's not difficult to reproduce a Laser... he did not use any DF of any kind. Franky can also do beams. He didn't need Kizaru devil's fruit.
What the manga meant is that Vegapunk understood how laser were created and made and managed to replicate them through technology

[radiant crown]

@modest skiff back to our eyes topic, I noticed something special when Luffy asks Boa to un-petrify the girls who brought him to amazon lily

[steady prism]

I completely agree that dfs are a great resource to study lineage factors. At the end of the day, the Seraphims are either mostly biological or mostly machine.

On one side, Vegapunk has indeed created artificial life forms before (e.g. dragons at PH) and although the WG banned human cloning, there's no reason they would stop their scientists from doing that research. So it is possible that Vegapunk may be working on the creation of "the perfect human weapon", which overlaps with what we know about Judge's research.

On the other hand, between the 3 scientists that know of lineage factors, everyone seems to have a unique specialization. More importantly, I believe that these scientists ultimately limit how much their research overlaps because it distracts them from their central focus:

• Judge has been successful in human cloning and through that he's found a unique application of the lineage factor to affect human genetics.
• Caesar has been a prolific biological weapons manufacturer and through that he has created SAD, which is a chemical mixture of several animal-based lineage factors, that is used to create SMILE artificial devil fruits.
• Vegapunk is a genius scientist who's greatest feats are related to devil fruits and devil fruit users and creating artificial versions of either of them (i.e. Artificial dfs or cyborgs). Through that, he has achieved the creation of the Seraphims.

We can see that (with my semi-biased cherry-picking) the primary thing these 3 scientists have in common is the fact that they're leveraging lineage factors within their own unique way. They may have been inspired by things they did while working together, but everyone's recent feats are unique.

With all that being said, I believe that Vegapunk is uniquely focused on the intersection of devil fruits and cyborg df users. For those reasons, I don't think the Seraphims are biological beings like Germa's clones. I'd argue he has finally created the "perfect" devil fruit weapon.

[pure raven]

Y’all ever thought of the possibility of shanks being a not so good guy?

[modest skiff]

This does a good job at disproving the theory. That and the fact that they swung by Wano and went on their way to go get the one piece also hurts the theories people had where Shanks is using Luffy to get it. He’s getting it without using Luffy or his devil fruit. Seems like he’s just a good dude who wanted to help Luffy

[sage scroll]

He's on his own journey like Mohawk. Not every pirate uses people like buggy

[strange shell]

Agreed. This is his inner thoughts. They seem very kind and show love for him. In the anime he almost sound regretful in tone. We see him show joy at Luffy's first bounty as well. He was trilled and threw a party. Why would he do all this if it was an act?

[radiant crown]

I think shanks knows that the moment is coming. Joyboy has returned but he is going to be here for a moment.

Both good and bad people cam do nothing but prepare for whatever is coming.

Shanks is heading for laugh tale now to be there when luffy arrives. Don't understand yet whether he is good or bad

[nimble moth]

I have an itching theory about luffys haki. Remember when he firs used haki at marineford by screaming.

What if like shanks, who has an overwhelming haki presence.

What if luffy can use speech haki, meaning anytime he speaks he can overwhelm his opponents through talking.

Idk what do you think

[radiant crown]

He first used conquerors on amazon lily. But I'm sure most conquerors are yelling at someone when they unlock it.

It is the imposition of their own will over someone elses

[nimble moth]

Ahh but wouldn’t it be cool to see luffy impose his will through speech in addition to his other strengths

[hearty arch]

that is a ridiculus power, definetly oda like

[azure dust]

is that so

[lament trout]

You hit the nail in the head, BB is one of the most knowledgeable and calculating pirates. So far he demonstrated vast knowledge on Poneglyphs, Races, DFs and other mysteries taking the role of Robin in his own crew aside from being Admiral of his grand fleet. As for him as a Anti-hero, this is a very interesting concept that goes well with my thoughts that Imu-sama is the true “last boss” and perhaps requiring the might of all the “heroes” who currently wield the “will of D” which would put Luffy and BB as allies even if temporary. I don’t think the war is about OP because Rogers got there and that didn’t spark any world war like Oda has teased. So we might get BB vs SH soon to resolve the Koby arc but BB vs SH might not be the end game

[strange shell]

being real he actually used it in the arc before on that beast

[split dagger]

What is the purpose of boa now for the story, why is she still alive, I think she will join Luffy grand fleet, and one more thing, now that we know that Luffy's fruit is not the Gomu Gomu the theory about his last bounty is invalid, and do y'all think there is a Gomu Gomu fruit?

[low ridge]

vivi is going to eat the rain rain fruit(human human fruit model: rain god sanka for the sake of her country, and shirahoshi will eat the human human fruit model: forest god ichika because she has always wanted a real forest to be in. Luffy is the sun god Nika, and blackbeard is the earth god Yonka. Ichika, Nika, Sanka, Yonka. The four gods of the world mentioned in skypeia , and the four people that Imu had posters of.......

[ebon idol]

What about yonka 2? We did meet 5 kids in fishman island called ichika, nika, sanka, yonka and yonka 2

[low ridge]

rocks?

[opal sage]

Blackbeard has 2 fruits, maybe multiple people are in him?

[upbeat vector]

Anyone seen this? Pretty crazy https://youtu.be/GYpz4hQfISc

[upper lagoon]

You think teach wants boas powers cause she can turn sea stone to regular stone? (Like When she clashed with smoker during the Paramount war)

[bold steeple]

There is a possibility

[unique iron]

Wasn’t that because she can use haki? 🤔

[boreal scaffold]

i think the reason why no war happened when roger got to the one piece is because he was early, what will happened when someone(luffy) gets to it when the time is right

[astral swallow]

I know this is prob a super common theory but I just thought about it now, did luffy call down the lightning in lodgetown just as he was gonna get executed

Like everyone assumes it was dragon cuz he was there but it might not be, luffy can now touch and summon lightning so it could be foreshadowing of some kind

[upper lagoon]

Nah i looked it up the staff smoker uses only the tip is sea stone.. i thought i had something

[split dagger]

What is the purpose of boa now for the story, why is she still alive, I think she will join Luffy grand fleet, and one more thing, now that we know that Luffy's fruit is not the Gomu Gomu the theory about his last bounty is invalid, and do y'all think there is a Gomu Gomu fruit?

[visual merlin]

his fruit name doesn't make the theory about his last bounty invalid

plus, boa is alive for the same reason pretty much every other character is alive

whatever reason you think that is would just apply to boa too, she doesn't need a grand reason to be alive just because she was attacked

[quick burrow]

What if Joyboy wasn't an actual giant but just someone like Luffy who mastered his df-fruit to the level that he was able to sustain a permanent giant form bc of his gummy proportions and that is exactly what we'll get from Luffy with Gear 6 possibly ?

[plucky kiln]

It would be possible but why would someone have a hat that size if its a temporarily form. What bothers me is the existence of rogers hat as well. Since the giant hat seems to be in marie jois for a long time I think that the smaller one was created in honor to joy boy. Or there have been a duo of straw hat wielders

[quick burrow]

Possibly what we've seen during Luffy's gear 5 fight can have permanently lasting effects on his surroundings, I mean he was able to stretch the ground, He should be able to stretch his head

[vagrant heath]

Question you got to ask yourself, who had the hat before Roger that hasn't been shown yet!

[hexed root]

He can stretch his head

[quick burrow]

Meant to say hat

[plucky kiln]

I think along with the hat it goes way back to 800 years ago (or even more)

Always had the impression that Roger traveled with an intention. Got it on Skypiea first and later confirmed by roger and rayleighs first merting. "Do you wanna turn the world upside down with me"

His family might have something to do with it. Or rocks himself. Who says they eerent child hood aquiantances. After all Xebec pursued something very specific as well

Just imagine garp, roger and xebec being the ASL of back then. Its a weird thought but in the end everytging led to the storm of D. at Gods Valley were history was made

[round coral]

Anyone think the “man with the burn scar” could be Ochoku/Wang Zhi

We know Law was at Rocky Port and that look after Kid mentioned the burn scar man maybe suggests he knows who it is

[merry rune]

i was literally about to type out my whole theory right here.

[merry rune]

Wang Zhi is most likely either the lurking legend/man marked by flames the real life Wang zhi was trade dealer of illegal arms and weaponry. Wang Zhi could be a dealer of info about the last poneglyph or just have the last road poneglyph. More on how he could be the Man Marked By Flames, we also know that the Marines were present at Rocky Port. A former Yonko would definetly warrant an admiral being present so maybe akainu went there and scarred him giving him the mark. This would also explain BB thanking Koby for helping him out at Rocky Port. We all know Koby would be of no real help to BB in a fight but maybe Koby got Akainu off of BB's ass and BB escaped. About Wang Zhi being the lurking legend, Wang Zhi could've been the Yonko before Shanks and Shanks defeated him and took his title but didn't kill him. A man of yonko caliber still living after being dethroned would definetly make him worth the title of "Lurking Legend". He most likely after his defeat retreated back to The Pirate Island and ruled there until BB took over after Rocky Port.

[strange shell]

Please note. This theroy is not fully done yet but this is all I've got so far.

So I’m writing out this theory/timeline for Youtube and figured I’d post it here first. Get some feedback. In One Piece Chapter 1059 we are introduced to the new pacifista called the Seraphim. Today I want to explain how this reveal could answer two burning questions. One new and one as old as December 19, 1998.

Part One - Why Do The Seven Warlords Exist

The Seven Warlords of the Sea are a selection of seven powerful and notorious pirates allied to the World Government. For years we’ve seen the danger this system poses. Donquixote Doflamingo and Crocodile nearly destroyed two nations thanks to the protection it offered.

The idea of the system seemed to be that these pirates would provide military aid. But with the exception of Kuma and Moria who actually helped in the ONE time we know they asked the Warlords to help.

So I suggest that the Warlords were a means to an end for Vegapunk's Seraphim Project. A long term goal of the government. The Warlords being an excuse to gain the DNA of powerful pirates by using blood samples they’d get when someone joins the warlords.

It’s been hinted that the warlords are a new thing. The 3D2Y movie while not canon does have an older pirate escape impel down and not know of the system. In the Oden Flashback it’s never mentioned.

The earliest mention of them is 13 years ago. Boa Hancock joined when she became empress.

Now let’s talk about Vegapunk and why he created Seraphim. To do so we must discuss The Scientific Process.

Part Two - Vegapunk's Timeline

(source https://www.amnh.org/explore/videos/the-scientific-process)

1. Define a Question to Investigate.

“As scientists conduct their research, they make observations and collect data. The observations and data often lead them to ask why something is the way it is. Scientists pursue answers to these questions in order to continue with their research. Once scientists have a good question to investigate, they begin to think of ways to answer it.”

The question would have been how to combat the growing number of strong pirates. Vegapunk's answer? Cyborg-like clones mixed with lunarian DNA. However the clones needed a strong base and are currently just a simple concept.

For this he’d need access to strong living men and women. Hence the Seven Warlords.

2. Make Predictions.

“Based on their research and observations, scientists will often come up with a hypothesis. A hypothesis is a possible answer to a question. It is based on: their own observations, existing theories, and information they gather from other sources. Scientists use their hypothesis to make a prediction, a testable statement that describes what they think the outcome of an investigation will be”

Vegapunk saw the project would take time. Even for him. Even with the years it’d take to grow a clone aside. He was basically creating artificial life. Which is why they needed something to fill the void while he worked.

The Seven Warlords.

So when the Warlords were created the WG had them take part in some medical exam that was common for Navy personnel. Common enough none of them would complain.

3. Gather Data.

“Evidence is needed to test the prediction. There are several strategies for collecting evidence, or data. Scientists can gather their data by observing the natural world, performing an experiment in a laboratory, or by running a model. Scientists decide what strategy to use, often combining strategies. Then they plan a procedure and gather their data. They make sure the procedure can be repeated, so that other scientists can evaluate their findings.”

Before trying the Seraphim he aimed for something smaller. Kuma. Cyborg clones of a single warlord that are far more robotic then alive. This would have allowed him to refine the science behind things like the lazers. DNA mixing. Cloning tech. The controlling of the living Kuma’s mind is likely a test for controlling the clones.

4. Analyze the Data.

“Scientists organize their data in tables, graphs, or diagrams. If possible, they include relevant data from other sources. They look for patterns that show connections between important variables in the hypothesis they are testing.”

Vegapunk must have gotten a ton of data during the war and over the timeskip so he finally set out putting it all together.

5. Draw Conclusions

“Based on whether or not their prediction came true, scientists can then decide whether the evidence clearly supports or does not support the hypothesis. If the results are not clear, they must rethink their procedure. If the results are clear, scientists write up their findings and results to share with others. The conclusions they draw usually lead to new questions to pursue”

Vegapunk cracked the code and discovered a few core things. One mixing warlord DNA with lunarian DNA and the tech inside the og PX models is possible. While also allowing them to use Haki by having them be clones. Artificial life. However, Vinsmoke Judge has already proven a flaw in the production cycle.

Artificial life grows at roughly four times the rate of a normal person, gaining the bodies of 20-year-olds in only five years. Meaning the two Seraphim we see in 1059 are likely quite young. Much younger than they look.

TLDR. The Clones have been in the works for a long time. The entire warlord system was a sham. The governments never trusted them. They used them.

[rapid nexus]

Oda hasn't touched on this in quite sometime for dropping such a big bomb, but I think the Seraphine were really made for SWORD. Vegapunk is apart of SWORD and made them for the "WG", but its main purpose is for SWORD. Going along with this idea, I also think that SWORD has an alliance with the Revolutionary Army, and the code name for them is SHEILD.

[steady prism]

I think the hook you have is great. The WG using the Seven Warlord system for their own gain is diabolical and completely in-line with what the WG should do with such a chaotic group of pirates. This is now headcannon living rent-free in my mind.

If I were to nitpick on something, it’d be the commentary on artificial life; how is Vegapunk’s Pacifista research related to “DNA mixing”? As far as I’ve understood, Vegapunk’s enhancements to Kuma did not involve DNA splicing. Rather, I viewed it as Vegapunk increasingly making Kuma, a human, more and more cyborg-like until Kuma became a 100% android (i.e. devoid of living tissue). Even Doffy said Kuma’s become a walking corpse in MF.

To be fair, Vegapunk did create artificial life in the biological sense with the dragons in PH. But his more recent Pacifista research didn’t seem to enter the realm of biological cloning like Judge imo.

What do you make of this? I agree that some sort of DNA mixing must have happened to make Lunarian Boa/Mihawk, but his recent achievements aren’t related to biology.

[strange shell]

On the matter of artificial life. As I’m saying the clones we see in 1059 are alive so they’d be artificial life lol.

I’m guessing he always knew that was the end goal. Kuma was a testing ground for stuff like incorporating the lazor beam, the mind control stuff. The Og Kuma and PX models are just testing a part of the greater technology that is all finally merged with the clones In 1059.

[odd quest]

Is oda foreshadowing that the 4th strongest strawhat has not yet joined through jimbei not fighting jack (4th in commmand of animal kingdomn) which also lines up with the blackbeard arc as there are 11 powerful bb pirates?

[junior lodge]

i dont know if this the right channel for power scaling stuff but i think the most realistic last strawhat is yamato in what ever way she will join the crew.. the thing is i rly dont think she would be weaker than sanji maybe as strong as jinbei (big maybe) and maybe a bit weaker than zoro so imo it doesnt rly make much sense since for her to be the 4th strongest strawhat.

also i believe yamato will join in some way bc there is not enough time left for oda to introduce a new character

[odd quest]

have you read recent chapters?

[junior lodge]

Yes?

[devout fox]

4th commander is sanji

[languid delta]

wait... i KNOW YOU

[devout fox]

zomor ya gever

[languid delta]

Come vc man

[devout fox]

ani mesahek among us

[trim crag]

I mean tbh let’s be honest, oda seemed like he changed his mind about yamato last minute. He would’ve been in the top 4. So maybe when oda was doing those matchups he had Yama in mind

[pale temple]

im pretty sure imu shot the laser from the moon and now enel will find it cuz it activated

[proud tree]

So Roger was the first person to reach Loadstar, not just Laughtale. But as he describes, the log pose went crazy after they entered the island... This seems like Loadstar is a deliberate trap to lure in the strongest pirates and trap them there until they die? Any theories on Loadstars importance? ... Since people often realize the mystery of poneglyphs, it is possible it is home to another ancient city like Shandora, where ancient writings and translations are aviable? Emerald city? TLDR: Imu uses Loadstar as a useful trap.

Also: Namis dream is to draw a map of the whole world. The only islands that are not publicly mapped are: Loadstar and Laughtale. So her dream involves just drawing a map of these 2?

[paper plaza]

im convinced that what nuked that kingdom was Uranus and that its a flying saucer

[pure raven]

Given the new chapter and an idea from another show.

When sabo saw imu and they "nuked" the island the island was completely "gone" I don't know if anyone has seen fairy tail but in fairy tail tenru island got made "completely gone" but was still there.

What if the black Orb that fell on the island actually absorbed the island and put it in like a pocket dimension.

Imu is never seen outside of that room with the butterfly's so what if she can control like a little pocket dimension or something or she has island's and stuff trapped in the big black bubbles if you will meaning they are all still alive soon and luffy would have to save sabo from imu.

I don't think he Is dead and I don't think anyone is dead but the thing of it teleporting them to another location or trapping them makes so much sence to me

Sabo and the island could be a new snow globe in her room kinda deal

[paper plaza]

Poseidon can destroy islands and exercise control from below the sea, Pluton can destroy islands and is a symbol of unrivaled military might above the waves, so in my mind the only place left for Uranus to rule from is the sky. At least thats my opinion.

I dont think Sabos dead cuz i think hes gonna be put up for execution at mariejois like Ace was but that island seemed pretty annihilated to me

[pure raven]

My theory is that the map Imu is holding is Uranus, and whenever they cross out an island it gets obliterated (no matter the pen) kind of like Death note, but it has specific conditions like the island has to exist when Uranus was made otherwise you cannot obliterate it, which explains why Imu didn't obliterate Laugh Tale.
Uranus is sure to destroy the island but not the people in it, that is why it is a map with islands on it. The actual explosion is a flying ship that sends multiple straight haki-infused or not lasers down from a giant flying ship that create a giant spherical explosion and destroys anything around it. I do not think the explosion absorbs or teleports anything because we can see rubble from the destruction of Lulusia and it clearly destroying the island and creating a sea-quake which if it was a pocket dimension no sign of the island would be left-over. We saw clouds form so there could also be lasers coming from within the cloud. The reasons I do not think it is lightning but a laser is because we didn't see any fire form or a lightning shape, only straight beams from above the clouds. We can see rubble flying from the island as it is destroyed. This could have also been used to destroy God Valley.
EDIT: Uranus could be the pen for all we know, or it might not even be from Imu. The map might just be a list of islands that Imu wants destroyed and is crossing out as the Gorosei said they wanted a "cleansing" to happen. It just might be a robot attack or a giant laser attack from a pacifista, or perhaps an airstrike. But that sounds boring lol

[paper plaza]

also the way flying saucers are usually drawn in Japan looks way more like a straw hat than American flying Saucers so i think the Straw Hat may be some extremely oblique foreshadowing from Roger. like HEY THE GOVERNMENT HAS AN ISLAND ANNIHILATER THAT LOOKS LIKE THIS

[pure raven]

It wasn't me that made this theory but someone also said that the giant straw hat could be a powerful transforming object, or it is really tough and there is something hiding at the bottom of the map. Combats my own theory of Uranus = Map but I still like it lol

[soft swallow]

Theories on luffy's new goal?

[paper plaza]

i like where you're heads at with the map, but personally i think its just to illustrate Ym is just such a vindictive and controlling bastard that he literally destroyed an entire culture and people with a brushstroke.

[iron current]

its not a new goal, this has been his goal since he was 8 years old

[pure raven]

Uranus could be the pen for all we know, or it might not even be from Imu. The map might just be a list of islands that Imu wants destroyed and is crossing out as the Gorosei said they wanted a "cleansing" to happen. It just might be a robot attack or a giant laser attack from a pacifista, or perhaps an airstrike. But that sounds boring lol

[lone lion]

it could be imu has the ammo of pluton and his ability is transport where he marks

[paper plaza]

Luffys goal is to destroy Mariejois probably.

Also thats why i want it to be a country sized flying saucer lol thats such a bonkers thing to just drop in at chapter 1200. like what do you mean they've had this the whole time. I think the Big Cold Straw Hat is either a supercomputer or the Control unit for Uranus

[pure raven]

Yeah, Imu's red eyes and him opening it during the explosion could prove your theory of him being able to transport things. Kind of like a warp thing but the lasers had to happen in the first place so idk

[pure raven]

doubt as a kid he knew that

[radiant crown]

linking the strawhat to uranus is interesting, as the attack looked a bit like lazers or condensed sunlight, Nika being sungod gives the strawhat currency

[pure raven]

Imu could've also been a holder of Uranus just like Sirahosi, and that it is somewhere on his body. We haven't seen him actually holding the map

[winter timber]

ong i thoight it was enel who did that big thing not imu 💀

[radiant crown]

Imu could belong to a race, that has a chosen one that can wield uranus

[fiery grail]

I mean to be fair we're not 100% sure its uranus

[bitter kraken]

Imu sent a message to enel

[sinful raptor]

what if enel is imu

[fiery grail]

also wouldn't sabo possibly be unaffected by it possibly due to logia intangibility

[paper plaza]

i think Uranus is definitely some flying machine, and that Ym is probably an alien, because it would be like. Poseidon is a natural occurrence, Pluton was designed by human hands, and Uranus here would have come from space and been something foreign to the world. and we also do have evidence of aliens or at least a culture on the moon in this story.

[lean storm]

Theory - Luffy's dream is for pirates to make peace with the navy. The crew was completely in shock, so what could else could it be? Remember, Garp and Roger had multiple fights, Pirate King vs strongest marine. In the end, they respected eachother and became friends to the point where Garp even took care of Roger's child. When that child died Garp was going to kill Akainu, until Sengoku stopped him which means he really did care for Roger and Ace.
It would make sense for Luffy to have this dream, and it definitely would require him to be the Pirate King. And it would work, only since it's Luffy. We know that Shanks was a celestial dragon/yonko so Sengoku had an excuse to stop the war.
Think it would be the same with Luffy, as he is the main character and basically made everyone his ally.

[bitter kraken]

Yeah sabo likely survived it but if the island got destroyed he’s still in trouble casue the sea 🌊

[fiery grail]

Sabo drowns pt 2

[cerulean apex]

"I'm gonna... change people's minds about pirates!"

It's essentially an impossible dream, and only the figurehead of the pirates - the Pirate King - can pull it off, because the Pirate King is the person who people consider to be the ideal pirate. Also, it does sound like something an 8 year-old Luffy would've wanted, at a time when even his own grandfather rejected his dream of becoming a pirate.

Luffy's been changing people's view on pirates since the very beginning of the manga, starting with Coby, then Nami, so it's definitely keeping to the theme of the story.

[pure raven]

If Imu is the one who destroy Lulusia, then he probably did the same thing for God Valley

Why I think that Sabo may have not survived the explosion:
We saw Sabo's head tilt towards the direction of the giant object in the sky and the reflection of it on his face so we know he was there.
Lasers sprayed down and exploded the island. While you could argue that he is a logia this is an ancient weapon we're talking about, it could be haki
infused lasers but that wouldn't be enough evidence to say he may have not survived. While you could say he tried to fly away before or after the explosion
he still can't fly forever but this is where my main point starts: Water. After the explosion water flew everywhere and created a sea quake - and we know exactly
how that affects devil fruits. We also got a marine saying the explosion created a sea quake and to beware of tsunamis during the chapter, so the explosion
most likely created a tsunami. Sabo would've been hit by the water while he was trying to escape and ended up in the sea. Unless something or someone saves
Sabo or he ends up alive at shore i'm not sure he can pull through this one.
EDIT: He may have ended up at shore or been saved by a bird zoan fruit, Bonney survived because she was not in the actual explosion just near it where she got caught up in a storm or tsunami.

[lucid grail]

That is 100% accurate, I think its basically comfirmed after this chapter

[paper plaza]

guys i know we should never take anything for granted but they juxtaposed everyone's horror with him lazily crossing an entire country from the historical record. he did it

also they just pulled Bonney out of the sea as well so oda wants you to consider it survivable even for a devil fruit user

[pure raven]

Yes - but Bonney was near the explosion not actually in Lulusia and she got caught up in a storm or a tsunami

[round flume]

how op is Imu

[lucid grail]

I still don't understand, because wouldn't people in the one piece verse realize that a whole fucking island is gone?
I mean if I were to travel to Lulusia to trade, see my family, etc., wouldn't people notice?
Or is it going to be some Attack on Titan King-of-the-Walls-Erasing-Memory type of shit?

[pure raven]

Imu has a really high range and can destroy an island one shot. Maybe it's the power of an ancient weapon

[paper plaza]

nah were gonna get some straight up Fascist "if you talk about Lulusia we will kill your entire extended family" type shit

[lucid grail]

Yeah could be, Ohara like

[jolly glen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfbjTD3AsWU watch this it looks real but if its fan made its too good

[fiery grail]

Im still for the idea that he revealed his dream when fighting kaido, that it should be everyone should be able to have as much meat as they want. It fits with his ideals, and it would be considered impossible for someone without pirate king level power

[pure raven]

I feel like the world government would try to make up a cover story about this
because they don't want people knowing they (possibly) have an ancient weapon - Uranus. That's their
main excuse for not studying the poneglpyh after all. The cover story may be that they fought themselves
to death (edit: the people of Lulucia had a civil war I mean) or blame it on an accident like a bomb setting off or the government not doing the deed.

[trim moon]

sabo's dead?! 😱

[paper plaza]

hes said that multiple times though it wouldn't really be a revalation

[lucid grail]

Buster calls feel so unnecessary now lol

[fiery grail]

if they had uranus why r they so concerned abt getting plutons blueprints?

[pure raven]

Well it is an ancient weapon and they don't want other people having ancient weapons besides themselves,
they don't want people knowing it's out there too because it would possibly throw the world into chaos.

[trim moon]

i think only CP9 wanted it

[fiery grail]

tru tru, maybe the real ancient weapon was the friends we made along the way

[paper plaza]

same reason they let fishman island into the reverie after shirahoshi revealed herself as Posiedon. they want uncontested control over the land, sea and sky

[tulip merlin]

guys guys

[lucid grail]

Is this power how the redline is going to be destroyed?
Is Luffy going to awaken this power somehow?
Thats like the only possible way to destroy the redline like shyarly predicted?

[unique pendant]

But its a mythical weapon i think Uranus, like pluton

[tulip merlin]

why the f didnt IMU erase ohara then? anyone has a theory?

[paper plaza]

Franky definitely remembers the Pluton blueprints, and shirahoshi is their homie, so i think for the final battle the ultimate weapons are all gonna converge at Mariejois and knock the redline into the sea

[wanton saddle]

Sabo ded?

[unique pendant]

Chapter got my brain freezer

[sullen shadow]

isn't there a pluton underneath of alabasta?

[sweet cedar]

If Imu is in charge of Uranus then either Uranus must either have significant limitations or Imu must not want anyone to know his identity.

[cosmic yacht]

Sabo better not be ded
Oda can't do us like that

[paper plaza]

the use and presence of buster calls is a cover for whatever this thing is' existence imho.

and no Robin was lying to Crocodile about that, the Poneglyph just revealed what Pluton was and how it was used

[cerulean apex]

Perhaps there's a cooldown of some years.

[paper plaza]

dont reveal you have a doomsday weapon when there are two other doomsday weapons people could find to declare war on your doomsday weapon

[tulip merlin]

no way thats the reason. i think maybe IMU wanted to preserve something there. maybe that tree or maybe some books?

laugh tale is probably moving then, IMU cant know about it or cant destroy it

[sweet cedar]

I believe sabo is alive for a few reasons: 1. Unless the nuke was haki-infused, then I'll believe sabo will easily survive it. 2. Oda has never and I don't believe he's killed major chars in the show like that. They have all had emotional farewells so I believe it's his intention to just show how powerful imu is with that attack rather than kill off sabo. 3. Bonnery survived the nuke and a lot of people would call her significantly weaker than sabo sooooo

[paper plaza]

literally i just don't think he cares about it

[cerulean apex]

That, or Im doesn't know the island's location.

[restive prairie]

Maybe Lulusia suffered the same fate as God Valley?

[sweet cedar]

I think that's pretty much confirmed with that

[wanton saddle]

bonnie had nothing to do with the nuke?

[sweet cedar]

I thought she was near the nuke. Was she not?

[paper plaza]

This is going way way back in the convo but if the Log Pose goes haywire and cant pick a new location from lodestar island, if you guys have ever read The Promised Neverland, Laugh tale may have a Seven Walls kind of situation, existing outside reality and unable to be pinpointed and maybe thats why Ym cant or doesnt bother to locate or destroy it

[dim thunder]

sabo must be dead for sure right

[restive prairie]

Yeah, I don't think the Strawhats were that close to the explosion from what it seemed?

[wintry peak]

There's a big chance that caribou heard luffy's dream as well

[paper plaza]

i hate that this man is plot relevant

[hexed sky]

WHATS LUFFYS DREAM

[paper plaza]

lets have book club, what do you think

[tulip merlin]

LULUCIA IS IN PARADISE, NOT IN THE NEW WORLD GODDAM IT

[wintry peak]

to be one of the gorosei lol

[hexed sky]

what dream could luffy have that's so impossible more than being the pirate king

[restive prairie]

how tf did he even get on the ship again? sure someone sensed his presence with haki

[humble pewter]

probably destroying the red line or uniting the whole world like letting all races live in a big island

[sweet cedar]

A popular theory is proving that pirates are better than the wg

[paper plaza]

he stowed away after whole cake and they immediately riveted the barrel shut

[pure raven]

No nitro unfortunately
TL;DR Sabo may have not survived, Im uses the power of Uranus to destroy Lulucia which is a map.

[restive prairie]

Yeah, destroying the Red Line does seem pretty impossible

[hexed sky]

luffy doesn't care what people think about him

[paper plaza]

personally i think Sabo is alive only because i am ABSOLUTELY convinced that Luffy is going to make it to Laugh Tale, get the news that Sabo is up for execution like Ace was, immediately turn on his heel and go save his brother with his crew actually with him this time

[jolly monolith]

YOOOO SHE HIT CTRL ALT DELETE ON THAT ISLAND 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[round flume]

will watch it later thx

[rigid blaze]

If i had to guess i would say that Luffy dream is to "travel to the moon".

[pure raven]

wg does NOT have uranus *pluton
the plans got destroyed by franky and the original is in wano where wg doesnt reach

[dusty iron]

This is Pluton

[cold grove]

We ain't going on Elbaf, the weather is said to be winter, and Elbaf weather doesnt looks like winter

[narrow ridge]

Hey wants to stand on the Sun

[cerulean apex]

That doesn't sound like Luffy, though.

[wintry peak]

if bonney has a devil fruit how can she survive floating in the sea? did BB already stole her devil fruit?

[cold grove]

No, she used it in Marie Geoise aftezr her encounter with BB, so she still have it

[pure raven]

how wouldnt she survive? we dont know how long she been in there

[tiny vapor]

elbaf prob gon be a big arc so yea we def wont be heading straight to it, next arc is gonna be a small one or just a start up to elbaf like jaya island arc and skypeia

[pure raven]

what points to it being a big arc?

[cold grove]

Maybe we'll learn more about the Emerald city if it plays out like a parallel to Jaya+Skypiea

[inner granite]

Alright, do we all agree the attack Im conducted was done with the Uranus ancient weapon?

[tiny vapor]

Its been getting mentioned for a long time now, most likely going to be ussops development arc and a lot of theories around elbaf being a part of shank’s territory and imo i think its abt time luffy and shanks reunite

[paper plaza]

Those were the plans for Pluton, a battleship, which is why franky a shipwright had them

[cold grove]

You talking about Pluton, Uranus we don't know anything about it

[inner granite]

I’m theorizing which I believe should be correct, Im has possession of Uranus (NOT PLUTON) and used it to nuke Lulusia

Let’s go ahead and say Uranus is a massive flying ship with the capability of nuking islands

[paper plaza]

yes i agree. i think its a flying saucer and he controls it from the Big Cold Straw Hat

[cold grove]

Yeah, so we would actually know the locations of all three ancient weapons if its right

[pure raven]

im one who thinks that the ancient weapons were and will be ultimately used against the wg

i think we have shirahoshi, momonosuke and the ancient ship as the weapons

[sweet cedar]

Big mom backstory says otherwise

[paper plaza]

also elbaf is a viking island what do you mean its not gonna be winter

[cold grove]

Maybe the big straw hat IS the saucer

[waxen cave]

Is gonna be winter, source: trust me bro

[pure raven]

i honestly dont think its been mentioned much at all besides usoop
https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Elbaf
look

[inner granite]

Shirahoshi is Poseidon, Momonosuke has Pluton and lastly Im-sama has Uranus

[tiny vapor]

i dont see how anyone could think its pluton, it’s literally a warship 😭 how is it going to nuke an island from the sky

[gusty bough]

his dream has something to do with the sun, definitely, also it should be extremely crazy even for one pieces standards, like a childish dream that at night we have to go to bed and everything is so quiet so what if it was always sunny and never night time, he also mentioned that he has to be king of the pirates in order to make it happen. Maybe create a second sun at the other side of the earth? could one piece universe reach these levels of power? create a sun or split the current one at two pieces? Just a thought. I wouldn't like that thought, I like night time, everything is so quiet ;p
damn you oda why did you name this chapter luffys dream when you don't tell us what is it.

[paper plaza]

Vikings, known for their beach episodes 🙄

[cold grove]

Aight bro

[pure raven]

then what is momonosukes ability to control zunesha?

[round talon]

Where was the Bonney next nakama theory a while back

[paper plaza]

probably just an identifier that hes destined to be JoyBoys ally

[tiny vapor]

true most of the time its ussop mentioning it except for hajrudin who mentioned it in dresorosa but regardless its most likely going to be a big arc

Isnt momosukes ability to communicate with zunesha just the voice of all things but a bit advanced?

[pure raven]

just saying theres nothing pointing towards it being a big arc

usoop only says he wants to meet the giants a be a great warrior etc

we dont even know if its an island that shanks controls or anything

we do know that it prop has an entry way to sky island tho

[paper plaza]

Zuneisha obeys the shogun of wano because of a crime he committed during the void century and hes making it up to joyboy. he said that when he arrived at wano

[wanton needle]

what are the odds that Sabo made the eddy

[pure raven]

https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Zunesha nothing said about the crime being the reason of him listening to momo

[tiny vapor]

Honestly i think an arc that involves the development of one of the strawhats is most likely going to be a big arc, like wci or enies lobby. but yea fair enough it isnt really confirmed to be a big arc but honestly would make sense if it was, also the shanks territory thing is just a semi-popular theory until we reach elbaf

[wanton needle]

Sabo used some ability to send Bonney up

[tiny vapor]

any theories on luffys dream?

[wanton needle]

hopefully he’s still alive

[paper plaza]

if Joyboy and Zuneisha did something in wano 800 years ago and now Zuneisha listens to the shogun and showed up to wano when the shogun needed him and said, "whats up my lord im here cuz of something i did 800 years ago" you can draw some connectjons

[pure raven]

obv

[tiny vapor]

From what i understood its something absurd that roger also mentioned before his death, but maybe wasnt able to accomplish?

[lament belfry]

damn how did i not think about that

[pure raven]

i do wonder and think its exactly what joyboy wrote on laugh tale hence people laughin at both
same dream etc

[paper plaza]

guess it's still something childish but extremely politically important so probably like "i wanna destroy Mariejois!!" or "i wanna declare peace with the navy!!"

[wanton needle]

He’s punched through water before too (dressrosa)

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-fire-fist-sabo-gif-14925079

[tiny vapor]

mhm, its definitely something that roger found out from looking into joyboy and the void century since shanks reaction is basically him being remembered of his captain

@paper plaza it could be but idk i think it’s something not soo guessable, something like “I want everyone to be free” or “i want everyone to be equal” would be mad simple

[pure raven]

i think its more the theory of one big island
we also see him being extremely happy about long ring long island since its so vast and ,,free''

the consequence of such a thing is destroying the red line thus the WG

also that way everyone is free, not just him

[worldly maple]

I think the dream is to have a party with every single person in the world

[tiny vapor]

his dream is to have a big feast with everyone in the world

[jolly monolith]

would you need to be pirate king to do that?

[void venture]

Theory time
Shirahoshi and Noah just got super important. How did king imu apply Uranus? He crossed an island out on a map. Know what doesn’t appear on maps? Ships.

SO! Uranus may be the strategy to initiate a great cleanising by the world government. But then it may not matter if the right people discover the plan and gather would be victims upon Noah. Shirahoshi can make the sea kings pull that ship pretty fast I bet to counter the military advantage of Uranus. That’s a pretty good start for a true revolution in the one piece world.

Now I’ll go just a bit further into speculation as to how luffy comes into this picture: naturally he’s respond to a disaster, he’ll be the pirate king and the world is his to go around. Probably takes personal offense to islands being taken away from the sea. Uranus might as well be able to destroy the world too. So luffy takes the fight to the world nobles and it’s a true planetary cateclysm. Still he wins though. He’s got him and a ship full of the people of the world. And a destroyed planet. And Uranus is some kind of sky thing.

Here’s my point: luffy dream is to have adventures forever and explore the stars. It’s just ridiculous enough to shock everyone and make zero sense. And Uranus is a sky thing. Perhaps even a space thing. Put world into Uranus space ship and the world sails together into space together.

Finally, pluton, speculated to be an island moving/creating ship/power, restores the world for people who want to stay and are lame.

[paper plaza]

Hearing from Monkey D Luffy that he wants to hang out and have a party isnt surprising whatever Luffy said was something politically shocking but stupid that an 8 year old would say.

[modest skiff]

That doesn’t fit well with people’s reactions. Especially Oden and WB’s

The party theory is really common but I don’t think it survives any amount of examination. The reactions don’t fit at all

I still think Luffy’s dream is to travel to the sun

[paper plaza]

if the One Piece is a party that makes it make sense imo

[hazy cloud]

yall think enel gonna return?

[pure raven]

i do agree
the party will obv happen in the end but dont think that the party itself is the dream

[modest skiff]

Why does it make sense? How does that turn the world upside down? Why would the WG be afraid of it? It’s a silly little symbolism sort of idea but we have a great deal of hints from the story that make it extremely unlikely

[elfin lynx]

He had his moment, if he's coming back now he's gonna explain exposition, he has no other use than that

[pure raven]

i think his cover story put him in a great place that hes not important for the story anymore, although enel mentions something about coming back...

would be strange in a way tho since skypia arc is the whole story of one piece condensed

[paper plaza]

the greatest enemy of the world government is camaraderie amd the sharing of knowledge between the people of the world. Big Mom, who is also in opposition to the world government, wants to build a paradise where all races love together

[hazy cloud]

would be so wild if he came back tho, like how cool would it be to see next chapter have enels outline on the last page

[modest skiff]

Questions like this are good for #manga-serious or #manga but this channel isn’t intended for quick questions or one liners. Please see the channel description

[void venture]

I wanna know if people think my theory is crazy or dumb or correct

[modest skiff]

But the party would come after all that happens. That’s why the party theory doesn’t make sense. The party comes after the world is united and the CDs are defeated. The one piece being what comes after the world is saved doesn’t make sense

[obtuse shore]

Theory / Luffy's dream: "Make everyone in the world my nakama" / "Make everyone in the world a straw hat". And then everyone will wear a straw hat like in the end of Fishman Island. (wording edited slightly)

[bitter kraken]

I think his dream is to make everyone free, abolish all sorts of monarchys

[inner granite]

URANUS THEORY

Pluton Deity of Land
In possession of Momonosuke, Land of Wano.

Poseidon Deity of Water
In possession of Shirahoshi, Fishman Island.

Uranus Deity of Skies
Uknown

[THEORY]
Uranus Deity of Skies
In possession of Im-sama, Heaven AKA Mary Geoise.

Put 2 and 2 together, the attack on Lulusia came from the skies and it was conducted by Im-sama, he who rules heaven also known as Pangea Castle or the land of Mary Geoise, the only person who would realistically have the resources to have an active Ancient weapon.

[obtuse shore]

Sure basically but in a way how a child would say it. (like "make everyone my nakama")

[pure raven]

rip no nitro

[spare jewel]

I think Sabo is alive, he's gonna be in a coma for a while or something

[paper plaza]

If the One Piece is a party with the entire world that comes after the world is brought to peace by an avatar is liberation punching Mariejois into the ocean then i think that makes perfect sense both as a resolution to the plot and the straw hats general character arca of freedom, as well as making One Piece the ultimate shaggy dog story

also Roger was crying when he laughed at what he saw on Laugh tale and had no devil fruit i think he ate one of Vegapunks prototype smiles. so he was crying at the knowledge that the world's gonna be olay he's just never gling to see it

[modest skiff]

I understand why its easy for it to make sense as a final part of closure. When you ignore the things we have been told about the one piece or everything else involved with hiding it, protecting it, the WG saying it would "turn the world upside down", it just doesn't fit. There's a lot of facts about the story so far that make the one piece itself a big impact on the world. What you are describing is what takes place after all that. But we are pretty directly told the one piece itself is a high impact thing.

[paper plaza]

i think that the one piece even as youve described can be an idea. Specifically the idea "if youve made it here you're as strong as the pirate king and you did it in a more brutal age than he did, go kill the government"

[void venture]

Space piece is luffy a dream, party idea is lame

[lament belfry]

really cool theory, love the whole death note thing for Uranus

[modest skiff]

Oda specifically said the one piece is an object rather than an idea or something along those lines

[paper plaza]

has he i thought he just said he always knew what it was. genuine question

[modest skiff]

It was from an interview or SBS or something. Someone with better memory than me will have the link. But all I know is Oda made it clear it wouldn’t be something like “the friends we made along the way!” Or something of that nature.

[paper plaza]

ah cool thank you. crack theory though. Now that we see what Gear 5 is (Looney Tunes Mode), Flipping the world upside down might get literal in a really funny way

if you painted a tunnel on a brick wall Gear 5 Luffy could run through it like Roadrunner. oh my god. imagine if Luffy vs Ym is just nothing but Looney Tunes gags

[modest skiff]

Luffy’s power isn’t just the ability to imagine anything. That was a translation error from the original fan subs. The Gorosei are just saying he gains the ability to stretch however he wants. But it isn’t omnipotence

[woeful spire]

Half-Baked Theory: Whenever Im uses whatever power we saw in this chapter, it leaves a large hole in it's place and displaces the ocean on the other side of the world. This would explain the Knock Up Stream perhaps that displaced part of Jaya into Skypea? And would also explain the odd void of ocean around Enies Lobby 🤔

[devout bobcat]

oh that must be bonneys true form without the devil fruits shes the daughter of imu

[woeful spire]

Honestly, Bonney's actual age being a kid, and her having some form of high family, would explain a lot of her brat-natured behavior. I wonder if ocean water cancels her age change or if it just freezes it to whichever age she last changed to.

[paper plaza]

im not saying his power is to imagine anything im just saying that instead of operating on an anime pirate power scale Gear 5 Luffy is on a Buggs Bunny powerscale. he will win as long as its funnier than seeing him lose

[paper plaza]

does anyone aside from zoro who wouldnt bother remembering her even know Bonney

[devout bobcat]

thats true cant wait to find out

[woeful spire]

Im Power Theory: I was wondering if it was perhaps a more extreme version of Kanjuro's fruit ability. Someone posted in one of the manga channels about "" fruit > "" fruit so what if Im's power is something like whatever he writes becomes fact. Like a "storyteller/narrator" fruit?

[wanton needle]

I like how you think my man

[paper plaza]

i ljke that toooooohhhhhhhh the waterfalls around Wano may be the fallout from the nuking of Ennis Lobby

[woeful spire]

I'm also wondering if Big Mom's Soul/Life fruit is the more powerful version of Brook's Soul/Life fruit since she can "steal" years from a person. (or the opposite)

[paper plaza]

Brooks basically made him a ghost possessing his own body right

[woeful spire]

Yeah, I was wondering if his is more of a possession fruit, or perhaps a zombie fruit. But it might be more like a Zoan of a Ghost Ghost fruit with the level up of him being able to leave his body as a soul or something idk.

[paper plaza]

he didnt reappear immediately after dying and lost his ship in the fog so i guess he actually did go to the afterlife and come back

[woeful spire]

I know ever since Luffy's fruit name was revealed as something different, a lot of people are theorizing other fruits also being misnamed/more than they seem. I don't want to feed into that since it feels repetitive to have everyone's fruit be something else.

That said: I love the Boa's fruit being a Serpent Serpent/Snake Snake fruit like her sisters, but it's a medusa/gorgon fruit instead of "Love Love".

[paper plaza]

Oh for sure she has the legendary Medusa fruit

[woeful spire]

It's pretty obvious looking at it, I'd be more surprised if it wasn't with all the snake theming and even the backstory the three sisters told people.

[paper plaza]

the only other Strawhat that could work with is Chopper imo, since he managed to artificially awaken his fruit, which is weird, and Oda has said that if a human ate that fruit theyd achieve enlightenment

[woeful spire]

It would also fit into Black Beard wanting a Zoan fruit to complete his collection, already having a Logia and Paramecia. Tho I can't remember if the last chapter stated if he wanted it for a crewmember or for himself or if it was left open/vague.

[woeful spire]

Will forever think he has the Hito Hito: Sasquatch/Yeti fruit, those theories and evidences are too good to say no to.

[trim crag]

I think I’ve read it translated as “a material reward”, so something like the “the one piece is the world without the red line” would still work

[paper plaza]

Oh Blackbeard for sure has the Cerberus Fruit thats how hes able to keep 2 additional fruit powers. his jolly roger also has 3 skulls.

Im jn love with Yeti Chopper that's so funny.

[woeful spire]

I wonder, does Cerberus have something to do with his inability to sleep? My thoughts were that he doesn't have a third one but you're blowing my mind rn.

Oh snap, what if this is going to make it somehow into the plot

[sharp juniper]

Huh

[paper plaza]

one sec someone check the Jaya chapter where he orders food

[modest skiff]

Guys please keep the channel description in mind. This channel isn't for light hearted stuff, humor, etc

indeed, and that's the intention of the channel. But we have the long slow mode to encourage people to post in paragraph form in a more "serious" way. You can of course feel free to have light hearted and silly discussions in #manga and #also-manga . But this channel and #manga-serious are intended to be more strict

@stark zenith comments like that are a better fit for #manga

[paper plaza]

ok so having recovered from that crash, any other potential misnamed or hidden Fruits we have ideas about? I personally also think Ym has been made immortal by the Ope Ope Fruit which is why its known that you can do that

how would they know that making someone immortal kills the fruit owner if it hadnt been done before

[stark zenith]

maybe i have a theory the map that imu holding and crossing out the lulusia kingdom is from nefartari family

[paper plaza]

personally i still think the map is just a visual. Sabo called him the king of the world so i think him lazily crossing out a whole country is just meant to make him look untouchable as whatever was in the clouds above lulusia nuked the place

I also really hope that Vivi will rejoin the crew, Cobra dying seems like a good excuse for it to happen, but as we have recently learned, saying that you are a strawhat and that you want to sail with them doesn't mean you will :')

[glass loom]

So this chapter actually solidifies the theories about luffy wanting to make a giant party for the world

[crystal pebble]

Uranus may be a weapon on one of the moons and Enel may have seen it go off. Maybe hetakes his robo army over there and takes it for himself or something?

[paper plaza]

man you guys all really love Enel

im kidding i love him too but if he has had the vantage point its a possiblity. the cover stories have become relevant again before

[spice fossil]

how do i get to post images here

[stark zenith]

most likely i think it's enel or maybe it's im he has the power of uranus because of vivi?

[spice fossil]

look at chapter 472 cover, Enel is looking at a strange image, showing the birkans leaving for the earth

there is a giant ship which the small people are on (Pluton?)
there are giant sea creatures at the bottom (Poseidon?)
there is a giant dial with 16 nodes (the same number of beams coming from the clouds above lulucia) and fire in the center

i'd post the image but i dont have embeds

[stark zenith]

or maybe the seraphim use their lazers to erase the entire island

[radiant crown]

@spice fossil

[paper plaza]

that seems like pretty conclusive evidence that that was Uranus if we read it like that

[radiant crown]

Coming from the sun, I wanted to consider the link between the lazers to a potential sun-based attack, and what that might mean in relation to Nika

what is the little thing in the middle with the eye:

Interestingly, the 3 sky island races are represented but there is no reference to lunarian (black wings)

[paper plaza]

if Ym is an alien, the art on the moon and Skypeia looks very mesoamerican, so luffy as the sun god could banish the njght sky like in Aztec myths? maybe? if it's a flying saucer with lights on the bottom being underneath it could look like a starry sky

[stark zenith]

maybe that not the full picture if you look their is some cut space that oda can easily add in the future

[radiant crown]

@spice fossil Honestly though thats a god-tier reference from this chapter to the 472 cover story and I really think you're on to something.

My questions is why is Uranus a "sun" (lazer) based power when Nika is the sun god

[spice fossil]

i need xp

[radiant crown]

yep if you want more images posting let me know

[spice fossil]

https://imgur.com/a/IaUS81i

[radiant crown]

Is there another way to interpret that image other than as a sun?

[paper plaza]

whats that supposed to be in the Center of Uranus on the wall drawings? to me it looks like a bonfire

[harsh herald]

Based on this image Poseidon is what? Just some fish?

[spice fossil]

sea kings

[paper plaza]

shirahoshi is Poseidon. she can control sea kings

[harsh herald]

Is the Arc not likely to be part of Poseidon’s deployment?

[radiant crown]

pluton is likely to be earth related, so im not convinced its the ark

[glass loom]

Uranus being what nuked sabo makes alot of sense actually, and the world government having one ancient weapon is a very interesting dynamic too

[radiant crown]

is this IM? focusing the lazer from the sun.

is this shirahoshi, guiding the sea king?

[paper plaza]

its been confirmed that Pluton is an unsinkable battleship, franky just destroyed the plans to it.

also the picture Enel is standing in front of that looks like a wall made of snakes, may be the Calm Belt. that may be the true purpose of Poseidon and the Sea Kings to keep the calm belt existing

[devout zephyr]

i wonder if the thing shooting lazer is the weird flying thing that we saw when bege enter the new world

[harsh herald]

That cloud above Lulucia isn’t giving me round vibes tbh it looks more triangular

[strange olive]

Ok crazy ass theory what if sabo set up three transponder snail to make it look he was at the island but in reality he was just leaving the island

[harsh herald]

If so then man got a lot of bodies under his belt

[strange olive]

Bc like Imma be real this ain’t how sabo dies and oda gotta have a way how he survives the nuke bc it a lose lose people going be mad at how sabo died and people gonna be mad if he magically alive so yeah

[rotund scaffold]

Wow I really like this. I like to think this is a reference to the creation of the grand line.

Which is totally related with my theory on ancient weapons.

Srsly we need to circle back to Eneru for this.

[radiant crown]

@spice fossil takes credit for that image not me, I just posted it for him.

He thinks it shows all 3 weapons but i think in addition we can find Im and Shirahoshi here

[pure raven]

Maybe that’s what’s happened to god valley. Roger and Garp beat the rox and left them imu just deleted it

[paper plaza]

I think it also shows the Calm Belt, which may mean that part of Poseidons purpose was also to make the grand line

[radiant crown]

calm belt bottom right, red line bottom left?

[paper plaza]

i interpreted the bottom left as the calm belt. it looks like a wall of snakes to me which is basically what the calm belts are. nests of sea serpents that cant be passed normally

[rotund scaffold]

Exactly. I think it could show the three weapons being used to make the grand line :Poseidon /calm belt, pluton/ red line (or the land where ppl stand) and Uranus/weather (sun thingy)

[paper plaza]

the red line, calm belt, and the weather of the grand line are considered the things that divide up the world

[radiant crown]

are sea serpents different to sea kings?

I'm asking can't shirahoshi control them?

[harsh sphinx]

what do u think about imu having some sort of df,we saw she had a brush and put X on lulusia and island was destroyed

[paper plaza]

no just using the word serpent to drive home the snakey look. they didnt help Luffy until shirahoshi asked in fishman island. i think the previous Poseidon asked them to create the calm belts during the void century and they're just still doing it cuz no one's said stop

[radiant crown]

I like your theory about the 3 weapons being used to divide up the world. Presumably they were last used by the bad guys tho? As division landed them on top... And for luffy to have one worldwide party he needs to use them again to destroy this division

[rotund scaffold]

Yep, I think the picture shows the moment ancient ppl divided the world as a consequence of the war with the WG (they're sad and tearing up), perhaps to contain it and wait for Joi Boi to awake again.

[paper plaza]

what are they supposed to be holding, they look like balloons or something. what do we think those could mean

[eager frost]

its more of a visual thing. if Imu had that power it makes no sense why Kamabakka kingdom still exist while their most annoying enemy is camping there xd

[plucky kiln]

I wonder where the Lunarians role in all this is. They were called the "Gods" after all. Yet there is no record of them found with other sky species. They might originate from a different moon or where earths original inhabitants idk

[harsh sphinx]

yeah maybe but,why wouldnt they destroy kamabakka with that big blast

[harsh herald]

There is another panel the same

[paper sphinx]

I don't understand. Sabo is a logia, why would he be hurt by a bomb?

[merry rune]

they were most likely the rulers before the WG way back until the WG toppled and pillaged almost all them and took over

[plucky kiln]

I think they planned to erase lulusia before sabo was confirmed to be there. Thats how I understand the goroseis reaction to sabos call. I dont know where lulusia is but maybe its harder to use the weapon in the new world due to weather conditions. There seem to be other reasons as well

[eager frost]

its not very convenient to use would be my guess. they were already targeting that island before they knew Sabo was there.

[harsh sphinx]

yea it could be but maybe anc. weapons could be infused with haki or something because he couldnt be dead he is logia

[plucky kiln]

I can imagine their existence and reign to be the reason the 20 Kings teamed up together to exterminate them. Having a common enemy they would have taken over their position at the top of the world. Its sounds possible

[merry rune]

that would also make sense as why theyre no longer atop the redline the WG took over and replaced them

[merry rune]

yeah exactly it couldve been some type of racism or they were in fear the lunarians were TOO powerful and that had to stop them no matter what so they teamed up and destroyed them

[modest skiff]

Yeah they basically say “wow sucks to be that guy”. I’m assuming they plan to treat all 8 rebelling countries the same way

[merry rune]

and they became the ones exerting tyranny replacing the lunarians possibly evil with more evil.

[paper sphinx]

You only do it to one, and the other 7 back off due to fear, i think.

[plucky kiln]

Uranus being a haki weapon sounds interesting to me. Until now we were given haki arrows, swords and bullets, but an ancient weapon that can use haki would be op

But where would the energy result from. The CDs slaves ? Would they have enough people to suck out their life force to transfrom it into a island destructional weapon ?

If that weapon was mariejois secret doffy talked about. why would he need immortality to rule over the world. maybe life force is linked to that weapon

[harsh sphinx]

yeah maybe they made that weapons so logia is vulnerable

[eager frost]

they literally pulled out the big weapon because for the first time? they were facing a real threat of loosing the death grip they had on the world.

[plucky kiln]

Then I wonder where the ancient kingdoms role is in this. If it is not the "land of gods", why would their name be so crucial to the mystery of void century. The will of D. is getting more mysterious. What did those people stand for. if the 20 kingdoms weren't the orignal enemy. why would the ancient kingdom defy the WG so bad. 100 years is a big amount of time. whatever happened it must have been huge

[merry rune]

theyve used it before this is just the first one we've actually SEEN. another island that was done too was god valley.

[fickle lotus]

luffy wants to go to the mooooon (don’t leave so soon, don’t leave so soon)

[merry rune]

especially seeing as its been erased from history and it cant be found on a map

[eager frost]

i meant first time they are scared of loosing control over the world since coming into power. they must've used the weapon before obviously xd

[plucky kiln]

but they dont seem to use it that often. else people would talk about it. but somehow I have the feeling that some individuals in the world know about it. after all it was crocodile, our first real antagonist that wanted to claim pluton in order to protect himself in a war that would come

He might have experienced that weapons destruction. Maybe thats why he also clings to not let the marines have their ways which made him help luffy.

[cinder kestrel]

What if Uranus is an ancient UFO used by the lunarians? And what if it is called "enola"? Since oda is a history buff and a culture guy, it would make sense thematically. I mean Neptune has a true name, and Pluto may have such a powerful klabatterman it too may just be a living physical being.

[merry rune]

obviously not that much only when they begin to lose power and if theres a threat of that like R8 said they'll eliminate it.

[plucky kiln]

But I was surprised that the WG would go that far to destroy their own territory ? Wasn't God Valley supposed to be a hideout or spot for celestial dragons. What happened to the celestial dragons and their slaves after rocks defeat ? were they all killed ? what was the purpose in deleting that island from history if the marines won the fight

[modest skiff]

We know 0 about god valley other than both CDs and slaves were present

[regal citrus]

What happend to Sabo?? He may have been rescued by gyojins or something like that?

[modest skiff]

Hard to say, but his logia should have made him immune other than maybe drowning. Ace was able to fly relatively freely when he had the fruit, so it’s conceivable Sabo really just kinda flew away or used his power to make a device similar to Ace’s motor boat

[eager frost]

this will just help Sabo fly under the radar for a while. They are already assuming he won't survive the attack

[modest skiff]

Just more standard Gorosei incompetence.

[eager frost]

there is no way he will awaken the fruit

[rotund scaffold]

Oda doesn't tent to re-use references. It would be ruled out If the lunarians are the descendants of the moon people that gave the shabdorians tech (and ancient weapons?)

All of my hunches tell me Uranus is a weather df fruit

[plucky kiln]

Theory about Imus weapon and Thriller Bark:

• Loading the weapon takes life forces of people
• Each year 100+ ships disappear in Thriller Barks mist -> Enough people to suck their life forces from
• Thriller Bark is near the red line and thus in access of the elders to all times
• Since Moriah resided there for a long time he probably saw something at some point and thus was hunted specially by the WG in Marineford. They really wanted to kill him and send doflamingo to do it
• and I really want thriller bark mystery to return back in story so yes

[weary raven]

What do people think Luffy's dream is?

[rotund scaffold]

To have a giant party where everyone in the world is free 🙂

[plucky kiln]

I've heard about a party / meal with all races or him wanting to go to the moon

I can also imagine him to want to eat all kinds of meat or to live life to the fullest and to die trying

[harsh herald]

Uranus is likely the reason why Noland is branded a liar too

[lament belfry]

wasn't that just the knock up stream though?

[valid ibex]

I think luffys dream is to make everyone be able to eat whenever they want. I think luffy thinks of being the pirate king like a child does of becoming the president. I myself and have heard kids go “if i was president id make it so on fridays all the kids get pizza” or something along those lines. I think his quote that he wants to be a pirate than a hero alludes to this. He doesnt want to share but if he could make it so that everyone could eat, then he wouldnt have to share. I think choppers reaction to luffys dream is telling, bc it kind of confirms that this a dream that children find cool. And chopper is prolly imagining eating cotton candy all the time.

[harsh herald]

I mean there is a whole section of Jaya missing

[hidden moat]

I was just thinking the island which was destroyed and crossed off the map is just like the god valley incident bc we don’t know what happened but the island isn’t on any map so I think the same thing happened and rocks was still on the island when it was destroyed so that’s how they killed him

This would explain how they killed rocks since he was too powerful to handle

[frigid schooner]

There is no Lulusia Kingdom 🙂

[pure raven]

It could be to same power that erased God Valley? I dunno man, I'm dumb

[ornate flint]

Gotta wonder what Bonney's deal is... Considering the fact that she somehow made it from Mariejois to a random location in the NW. At the very least, she'll likely be tagging along for a while. And without objection since she'll soon finally meet a chef that can satisfy her Luffy sized stomach lmao.

[snow herald]

How likely is it that luffys dream is to pull all the islands together to make 1 continent and possibly have a party?
It's ridiculous, it's near impossible, it's laughable. But the PK, the strongest and most free can maybe do it.

[lone plaza]

i was thinking the same about the whole verse having a huge banquet, that sounds like luffy

[novel scroll]

If I have to make a blind guess about the thing that deletes the island, it's probably Uranus.
I's definitely has the power of an ancient weapon, and the only weapon we haven't seen yet is Uranus.

Uranus, the God of the Sky

[inner granite]

Its Uranus, that's a fact, no need to continue theorizing it.

Now the real question is, Why did Im use Uranus on Lulusia? Was it to eliminate Sabo who had previously seen him sitting on the Empty Throne and PROBABLY saw his face?
I'd argue this wouldn't make a lot of sense since he could've just sent someone like Kizaru instead. Adding up the fact that he said "Lulusia never existed" when all he would want in this case would be eliminating Sabo.

Why do you think he took out the entire Lulusia?

[river talon]

Really, why couldnt it be maybe Enel

[merry sparrow]

Is Imu the klabautermann of Uranus? I think each of the ancient weapons have klabautermanns. Shirahoshi being the physical reincarnation of Poseidon. Pluton is the god of the underworld, so it makes sense that what Zoro saw of the figure of Death in Wano that confronted him over Zoro saying he’s the King of Hell is the klabautermann of Pluton. And now, Imu, I believe is the klabautermann of Uranus. I honestly don’t have any facts to prove this as the case, but it’s my theory

[river talon]

Also one thing that yall might have missed out is that they were gonna destroy the island wether sabo was on it or not. Also im thinking that the thing that the strawhats saw at the end was Kuma's paw sending jewlery bonney most probably to the strawhats

[pallid kite]

Ancient weapon is a death star from the moon 🌙

Luffy wants to become a space pirate to travel to the moon 🌙

[harsh herald]

Kizaru going to fight Sabo is far from an easy W he wanted it done with certainty

[lavish snow]

Not everything has to be a perfect circle

[verbal axle]

I was thinking of something like this too ngl

[fair nest]

Is it possible that the five elders are plotting against imu-sama?

[ornate flint]

nah, they're dogs that are too loyal.

[fair nest]

but the way they talk about sabo possibly dying is very weird, almost as if they wished he survived

[ornate flint]

nah. pretty sure they just lightly pitied him for being super unlucky and landing in the place that coincidentally was about to get annihilated.

[true tree]

One day Oda will release a chapter that answers a question without creating two new ones

But it is not this day

[fair nest]

true

[harsh herald]

But there is a clear place where it was cut away no?

[pure raven]

idk i think there could be a way that he evaded the attack with his logia

[last sonnet]

I believe Birka(Eneru's home island) is the place where Lunarians from the moon rebuilt their lost civilization(Moon Birka) after it was destroyed by the ancient weapon Uranus. It would feed into the theory that Skypieans are descendants or a split off tribe of the Lunarians because of the wings they are born with similiar to King's wings.
There is also the idea that Uranus was on the planet during Eneru's childhood before the same phenomenon that launched Shandora into the skies pushed a part of Birka to the moon and he in some way saw it used which started his thirst for power. He then used this experience as a template to design his final attack against Luffy when he was about to nuke Skypiea which is what he probably did to his home island.

[pure raven]

I think Imu power is a map of the whole world, every single island and thing and he can destroy anything he want, as long as he mark the place

[faint dune]

imu's power is tied to number 16, if anyone doesn't know what that number means, it signifies an angelic number that is divine and what it means is "A NEW START OR BEGINING" and since he has a clear view of what's happening in the world, it makes him seem like God in a sense, he can destroy or recreate anything as he wishes.

[verbal needle]

I was under the impression that momo and zunesha were uranus

[novel scroll]

The ancient weapon in Wano is Pluton

[verbal needle]

You right

[faint dune]

whatever he used is probably not uranus and my reasons for it would be that it destroy pluton's signifance in the story, the reason why pluton is important to the story is because it can counter whatever imu possesses, uranus in my opinion will turn out to be dragon since he has control over weather and wind, imu might have something completely new and tied to the void century and that's what he used to destroy a portion of jaya and god valley.

[gleaming swallow]

My theory is luffy since in red flim promo we have seen luffy was drowning and garp saves him but the real theory is he's just dreaming about everything him becoming a pirate fighting all those villains every thing is a dream and end the end of story luffy will wake up back as a kid

[prisma crystal]

where does Oda mention that Uranus counters whatever Imu possesses?

[faint dune]

it's my guess not what Oda mentions, because if you think about it, imu has the power to completely reduce any island into an atom, if pluton is capable of the same thing then it's probably why Oden wants to Open the borders so bad, the straw hats made a mistake when they didn't free pluton.

[prisma crystal]

oh my b, you need to specify that it's your theory or you'll confuse people lol

[faint dune]

ye

[unique iron]

Guys, this is wild, but what if the last road poneglyph fell into jewelry bonney’s hands at one time, ada she shrinks it so she can bring it with her anywhere? Otherwise I don’t really know how she’s going to be relevant even if they met right now ( luffy and her ) that’s why everyone is still in a bind looking for the clues and everything?

[prisma crystal]

and also, since there are or were blueprints for Pluton, maybe there's another Pluton that was built? And Imu used it. Pluton is a ship which means it's possible for it to be an airship, which somone mentioned somwehere above