manga-theories

[modest skiff]

In the future please don’t ask in this channel though. Just use the film red channel

[north quarry]

i got the link for film red

[atomic bane]

SEND

[rotund ibex]

What if Yamato surprises everyone and ends up joining Kidd or Law with the intention of finding Luffy later and joining the Straw Hats, because Oden originally started out as a member of the Whitebeard before he jumped to Roger's crew

[hoary night]

She was apart of kaido's crew, defected, now joined strawhats

[proper dawn]

I have a theory that there was a secret ancient weapon at God Valley that may be as strong as the other weapons or even stronger than 2-3 of the ones we know about and Xebec somehow knew about this and was trying to get to it to help achieve his dream but obviously there was great security and after the aftermath the world government covered up the incident pretty much and sank the island where maybe underneath it the ancient weapon was hidden (or the island is the ancient weapon/ tells where the ancient weapon is). Maybe the ancient weapon was called Mars and Mars is the god of war in some mythologies and with this title you can infer that maybe as I said it was the strongest weapon which would overthrow the balance of the other weapons (the other weapons are also named after planets and gods in some mythologies) and could be disastrous if it got in the wrong hands. Maybe Blackbeard gets his hands on it and for the end war we see Luffy’s side with all the ancient weapons we know about vs Blackbeard and the secret ancient weapon and obv both sides allies and whoever else.

[whole rivet]

This all good and stuff but its baseless

[pure raven]

For me all is more about the knowledge and influence now. We have met this point in the story where there's not much more to show in regards of leveling your power up. Maybe, as I was saying, some secret to train Haoshoku, but there's simply not enough space now for more. Either knowledge of other ancient weapon, or other mysteries. Whitebeard and Roger were on really similar level judging by their fight, and Roger had a bigger bounty only because of his knowledge of Laugh Tale so this just makes sense to me.

[sand chasm]

Ussopp is blackbeards nephew

[sonic lake]

theres this theory that my brother and his friend told me about. they said that Nami is Uranus or that she is the one that can control Uranus. Remember where Bellemere found her when she was a baby? It was at war right? My brother said that it was a buster call that cause the war. the 5 elders did that because they hiding a secret about the ancient weapons.

[pure raven]

Not so much is known about the weapon. If it's one to control the weather then possibly Nami can control it. Although the thing is Nami is not from New World and that's most probably where all of the ancient weapons are hidden being that Fishman Island is the start of New World and Wano seemingly half at least.

[grim bolt]

Use ur Brain plz

[sonic lake]

huh the theory is aight'

[pure raven]

This might be 3rd other thing than a deadly machine or a person in control of something. Might be a devil fruit controlling the weather.

[sonic lake]

how about the big mom/carmel theory... my brother said that when big mom was eating mother carmel she awaken her devil fruit and made herself turn into a soul thats why when big mom sees her she cries

[civic valve]

do devil fruits take time to grow or do they just appear?

[dawn thorn]

They appear as the closest fruit to the last user who died

[civic valve]

so as a user slowly dies the fruit slowly grows?

[dawn thorn]

The moment of death, it becomes the closest fruit, no matter the distance.

We've seen it animated and it's quite fast

[civic valve]

alr thanks

[real kettle]

so I have this theory. In episode 352 at 13:52, Oars (who has luffy's shadow, therefore his personality) mentions that he has a dream to sail around the whole world. So this got me wondering, could this be the (kinda) secret dream that Luffy and Roger share. What further supports this is that it would be impossible, because of the red line, and that's why sabo/whitebeard laugh at the dream.

so that's my theory, feel free to correct me

[iron current]

see both Luffy and Roger have the same secret goal, but when Roger mentioned it he already had sailed around the world besides Laughtale and i just dont think that the characters who we have seen reacting to their secret dream would have reacted like they did when they heard about it, because thats not really a childish dream you know

and like Whitebeard knows there are ways around the Red Line so it wouldnt stop them

[real kettle]

I see, well I just thought that the dream oars mentioned was kinda weird and never brought up again so I just wanted to point that out. That said, you are probably right

[iron current]

like im not saying your idea is wrong, its just i feel like the reaction we got from the other characters your idea just doesnt seem childish enough

[real kettle]

yeah, now that I think about it, it would be an overreaction

[vapid grail]

Why is Luffy being named ||the sun god of nika ||

[polar vapor]

a chapter revealed that luffy's devil fruit makes him a god or something like that

[sacred cape]

Cap

[dim cloak]

That's not his name, no one calls him that. That's the name of the god from the fruit he ate.

Hito Hito no Mi: Model Nika.

No one has called him Nika within the story and I don't think no one will.

[vapid grail]

A sun god had luffys fruit

[dim cloak]

What? What are you saying?

[vapid grail]

I’ll just read the manga

It’s confuses me since a sun god sounds powerful . Why would one eat that fruit when he’s literally a ‘ sun god ‘ ?

[dim cloak]

Sounds no more powerful than the literal reincarnation of Buddha on earth (Sengoku), the power to take the souls out of people (BM), the power to create earthquakes and tsunamis (BB) and the power to transform into a seemingly almighty Azure Dragon that towers over everything (Kaido).

[hoary hatch]

Just like Sengoku has a fruit "model: Buddha" Luffy has a fruit "model: Nika." It is named that because the eater gets the powers of / ability to become that mythical being. Just like there are zoan fruits that let you become a specific type of dinosaur or dog or whatever.

[modest skiff]

Don’t be rude in this channel. It is intended for people to share their thoughts and it’s bad to punish that by being rude. The theory @sonic lake is pretty common and not a bad one either

[grim bolt]

Alright and also give me my own role named King

[ancient ibex]

tought sengoku's fruit was the giant buddha statue, not the buddha one

[hoary hatch]

Luffy, Sengoku and Chopper each have a "human" Zoan fruit, but Buddha and Nika are "mythical types" IIRC.

[hasty ocean]

Yamato will join the crew or not ?

[modest skiff]

“Who will join” predictions go in the other manga channels rather than theories channel

[frank pivot]

wtf are you doing in here if you haven't read the manga

[pure raven]

Shirahoshi isn't Poseidon. All ancient weapons are ships!

- Ark Maxim(Powered by Goro) is definitely Uranus. Enel almost destroyed Skypiea with a single shot! Very similar to Pluton.

- Noah is Poseidon with unknown power. The only purpose of Shirahoshi is carrying the ship.(It's not like a bunch of Sea Kings that can be humiliated by almost every fighter in one piece will offer a threat.)

- Pluton is almost being revealed.

[strange shell]

Just to help you out. Nika in this case would have been made of rubber without a fruit. Luffy gained the power of being rubber from having a nika zoan.

[plucky kiln]

=> 3 Ancient Weapons: One made by the sky -> Birka; One on the seas -> Pluton; One underwater -> Noah

[steady prism]

Noah is not Poseidon. Shirahoshi is Poseidon. It’s fine to have ships related to these ancient weapons. It’s fine to speculate that Ark Maxim is related to Uranus. But you shouldn’t contradict something that’s clearly stated in the manga. If you want a way to mesh these ideas, try searching for the “CCC theory”. Maybe that’ll help.

[stark latch]

Or Nika ate gomu gomu no mi and he converted into fruit that's why we don't see other rubber fruit because it got merge with mythical zoan and in bleach like ichigo sword is human same with with luffy df is from human

[pure raven]

That's more of a theory from Neptune and Robin. The poneglyph only said the location of poseidon.

[stark latch]

There are three ancient weapon and it makes sense if all are not same they are distributed like underwater posidon on water pluton and on air uranus

[steady prism]

In Chapters 649 and 650, King Neptune knows for certain that a Princess 800 years ago that could communicate with sea kings had a second name called Poseidon. Once he saw Shirahoshi’s powers in Fishman Island arc, he now believes Shirahoshi has inherited the powers of Poseidon. I don’t see any way this could be misconstrued to mean Noah=Poseidon. If you have anything to refute what’s said in those chapters lmk.

[pure raven]

Read my previous post again

[limber marsh]

If the Noah is Poseidon, then what is Shirahoshi and the Origin of her powers?

[sand sail]

Shirahoshi is Poseidon, Noah is just something Poseidon was going to be using their powers for

[steady prism]

I have. Several times. You made a statement that “Noah is Poseidon with unknown power”. I’ve given you evidence that makes me believe otherwise. Your response is “Neptune is theorizing” when Neptune gave clear and affirmative statements. Do you want to tell me why 649 and 650 are wrong?

[pure raven]

could be that too.

[sand sail]

That's what we're basically told is the case

[pure raven]

or just Shirahoshi + Noah = Poseidon LOL

[sand sail]

No, it's just Shirahoshi

[pure raven]

I don't think Oda would make Noah so useless

[sand sail]

How is it useless?

[pure raven]

Why would you need Noah if you already have Poseidon

[sand sail]

They serve two very different functions, where are you equating them exactly?

Poseidon commands sea kings, Noah is just an ark

[pure raven]

when the sea kings says that their purpose is carrying Noah

[sand sail]

Which are two different things, yes

Noah's purpose is to carry fishman island's citizens

Poseidon's intent will be to carry Noah

[fathom matrix]

Maybe she just had a unique power/tool but it was the world that marked her as a weapon

So she wanted created or experimented to be a weapon, but she ended up getting called one because of how powerful/damngerous she was

[stark latch]

You all are just debating on useless topic

[plucky kiln]

its not useless

[stark latch]

My theory is that straw hats will time travel in void century ( there are many reasons but i am too lazy to write all ) and they will form past in such way to get help current timeline and they knew that shirahoshi has this powers and she will useful so they wrote in poneyglph about shirahoshi

[modest skiff]

Noah has not been remotely explained at this point. You have no reason to believe you know everything there is to know about Noah

[modest skiff]

When are we directly told this? I don't think that makese sense

[stark latch]

I believe that Noah true goal was to awaken shirahoshi powers and that's it

[fathom matrix]

I think backwards time travel will end up buggering things up. I think it's just linear

[modest skiff]

Since we know fishmen have a long lineage of being shipwrights, I think it makes a lot more sense that fishmen built Noah for non-swimming allies to use at some necessary time. If Fishmen have no problem swimming to the surface whenever they want, I am not seeing the benefit to fishmen. But if we assume Oden and others knew of some grand event that would require opening Wano, I think it makes sense this event may also require enormous transport for allies that can't swim/breathe under water

[stark latch]

We can think of luffy gear system as manual car gear and in car gear there is reverse instead of 6 and reverse gear could mean time travel for luffy

[fathom matrix]

it does make sense. Cause if fishman island gets destroyed as predicted, either by destroying the redline or whatever,, you'd have the the noah primed and ready to save them, and the fishmen/shirohoshi can live up on the surface where the sun is.

[modest skiff]

Why would fishmen need saving? They can swim to the surface and live wherever. They don't require a boat

[stark latch]

Also Noah is very very old ship i highly doubt it can go to surface

[fathom matrix]

if a bunch of rubble falling, waves crashing and debree that's about to hit, you'd probably need a protective ship that can carry everyone at once, safely by strong sea kings.

It's no problem RN cause there isn't a giant red wall breaking apart and crashing down and disruping waves

[plucky kiln]

Its is a very endurable ship. After having confirmed that Wano preserved their old country underwater in good condition I can imagine the merfolk to get there

For whatever reason Joy Boy and Poseidon were aware of Fishman Islands end. it might have not been their real home to begin with

What irritated me though was the fire. Now in the anime we have a clear view on luffy being surrounded with fire. the manga though only shows a man with a strawhat, and I guess some flame looking things too

[fathom matrix]

I don't think many fishmen and merfolk are gonna survive swimming up to the surface when there's a bunch of red rock falling down

[stark latch]

Noah is very very very old ship and it is in sea water

[plucky kiln]

It has maintained itself for the past 700 years. Why would it go break down now. The ship was designed for the transport of the merfolk

Wano maintained an entire country underwater for the past 700 years. They know what they are doing

[stark latch]

Wano water isn't sea water it is rain water that's why all is preserved and go and check Noah condition rn it looks like it very very bad condition

[fathom matrix]

caused Luffy gum gum elephant gatlinged it RN~

IN FACT, it was some of the top portion, not much of the main boat

[stark latch]

And stop debating about things we know and talk about Uranus or something

[plucky kiln]

The Sea Kings are right now repairing Noah. So that problem should be solved

Talking about Uranus with a bit of logic can only be achieved with connecting what is known already

[limber marsh]

I think its to move Fishman Island, At least with what I remember from the Arc, they state the Noah is to move them so if they could just swim it wouldn't be needed

[stark latch]

What are you trying to say?

[dim cloak]

Hey dude, maybe don't be an asshole to people debating here.

I'm not the best person to tell you this, but like, don't be openly aggressive for no reason lol.

[plucky kiln]

That making up theories by ignoring the facts kinda cringe

[sacred cape]

The sea kings are mechanic,

[wild wren]

They've eaten sea kings before

[primal cargo]

Now in the anime we have a clear view on luffy being surrounded with fire.
The anime has been wrong many times. I wouldn't give that any particular credibility

[dim cloak]

Yeah, it's just a visual that gives us the implication that something is destroyed or burning down to a crisp, plus Luffy.

[pure raven]

Guys have you ever heard of the lurking legend in one piece

If you haven’t oda has mentioned a lurking legend back in 2018 but obviously it was kaido who was somewhat revealed but what if it isn’t him, he’s said to be compared to the likes of white beard or even make him look cute same with marineford, it could be IMU or rocks, but here’s what’s confusin, lurking is known to be compared to yami in Japanese (what I heard) so this living legend is lurking in darkness, maybe he’s in black beard but there’s a theory that the previous user of a devil fruit souls is in the devil fruit like how sabo said about how he could hear ace and how he just somehow took the exact moves he does, so what if rocks was the previous user of the yami fruit but before he died he idk put his soul into the fruit like what would happen if a user of a df died, and obviously it was Blackbeard who inherited his fruit, smth that can back it up is him having xebecs island and his ship literally being called xebec

Xebec thought he could be joyboy hence why he went to god valley to find the “Nika Nika” fruit which was also linked to imagination and notice how roger and Garp fought him to save the celestials idk if im stretching or not there’s parts I missed but if you have any question ask

[iron current]

he most likely didnt talk about Kaido but as you said Imu or Rocks

there is also a theory that BB can have multiple devil fruits because he is multiple people in the same body, multiple souls, thats why he also never sleeps seemingly and that one of the souls could be Xebec

[fierce shale]

We haven’t seen Doflamingo for a while. He knows a lot of secrets about the WG. It could be possible that he also knows the location of the poneglyphs…could he be the man with the marked flames? 🧐

[iron current]

maybe, but its pretty well known where he is, at least so far so why would Kid not have an idea where he is

[pure raven]

The thing is i wanna know what marked flames means cause the first thing that comes to mind is sabo cause of his fruit

[stark latch]

I think marked flame man will be someone new character related to Roger or in his crew or marines

[iron current]

marked by flames sounds to me like a burn mark and yeah; Sabo comes to mind but what would Sabo know about the OP

[fierce shale]

Sabo is too much of an obvious choice. He was recently introduced as the Emperor of flames and we know part of his face was burnt when he was younger. It just feels like a red herring to me

[stark latch]

But if it was sabo then kid won't say that he is a step ahead from luffy for op

[fierce shale]

That too yeah

[pure raven]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkGGLDB9r-s&t=8s

[fierce shale]

I just saw a theory vid that was made a while ago. Crocus was speaking to someone on the cover of Chapter 631…but we never find out who he is. I wonder if this is the guy

[stark latch]

Yes maybe

[grim oyster]

It’s uruoge, only person from the worst gen to not do anything excluding Bonney. He needs some screen time

Not counting him defeating cracker

[sour nova]

Was it said that Roger didnt have a fruit?

[regal raptor]

Theory. When Shyarly said luffy will destroy fishman island, that might be necessary for last battle. Like wano, fishman island need to open, destroying it means, he will lift it above the ground for shirahoshi(posiedon).

[bright willow]

Vivi and Sabo seemingly have no “out” from the Reverie. What I think is the most viable solution is that Vegapunk programmed Kuma to serve the celestial dragons— which Vivi is apart of by blood. Since she’s definitely going to be revealed globally as a Straw Hat, it seems that the time is right to reunite her with the crew via Kuma’s power

[strange shell]

I just want Vivi back

[bright willow]

She’s the only person who has said they’d join the crew once they reunite

What I find special is how she’s reintroduced during reverie— the way they had her begin with a backflip really cultivated how much she fit in with Saboady Usopp + Nami. Vivi is being set up in a way to be brought back.

[dim cloak]

As I said I don't think Kuma takes orders from just anyone considering they rotate him as a slave.

And also, they went in there knowing how Kuma was and wanting to take him back to how he was before.

So there's definetely a way he either reverted or was taken away further from Sabo and Vivi's actions by the revo commanders.

[obsidian ridge]

I think IMU Sama had ordered the killing of Nafaltari Cobra & Vivi because of their support towards Luffy & Crew.

Sabo was there on a mission to rescue Kuma & he also saved Vivi after Cobra was killed.

Either WG don't know about Vivi being alive or they purposefully tagged the accusations on Sabo for killing Nafaltari Cobra.

Vivi should be alive considering the promise that she will join SH's at a later timeline.

Right now Vivi is with the Revolutionary army & she will receive combat training too. (While I don't see any chances of Vivi having Kuma's DF power as mentioned above)

[vale current]

But Imu showed some interest in Vivi, as her poster was left intact while the other were destroyed. On the way to Reverie, Cobra talked about "suitors" for Vivi, a marriage talk. What if shit is deep like that, theory as Imu wants Vivi and some marriage must happen?! Marriage means royal blood, royals rights etc.

However I'd agree she could be with the Revo guys

Also, I believe Imu isn't a human being, as her/his stature is off, so if Imu has any interest in Nefertari Vivi it's really cold calculated. Royal ppl from ancient Egypt were believed to be descendants of gods

[sonic lake]

luffy will destroy the red line with the 3 other gods and all the ancient weapons so he can create the all blue

[keen kelp]

Yeah All Blue is just world without the walls

[zinc surge]

So your telling me . That someone build red walls destroying the all blue

[delicate tapir]

I think the burned man is Aokiji (Kuzan) he knows the secrets of the marines and might be willing to share to overthrow them

[slender fulcrum]

It was made to transport sea folk. Surely if it sunk it's not a problem. See it as a giant container, the " floating " part might not be really relevant

[pure raven]

If yamato joins the straw hats

Yamato's moves sets are similar to Kaido's moves, from the "Thunder Bagua", "Vagra Arrow", "Bolo Breath" and many more. Yamato still keeps her unique aspects with her method of glacier defense, glacier slash and many more. Keep this part in mind.

Kaido has four moves in reference to the 5 wisdom kings in which the 5th one is missing. The missing one is the immovable one. What if Yamato, completes the 5 wisdom king referenced moves in her unique way? I believe she will attained what Kaido couldnt attain. She will probably awaken her devil fruit and even complete those moves by eos.

[stark latch]

If Noah was falling towards fishmen island i don't see it floating to top

[stark latch]

New character related to Roger are likely high rather then kuzan

[pure raven]

Could be gaban!

[ashen surge]

It could be Urouge as well if you consider "being marked by flames" is a reference to a real life person, a Vietnamese buddhist monk Thich Quang Duc who immolated himself.

[pure raven]

Well yes but how would he be useful for the 3 ( Law, Kidd or Luffy ) in finding the rode Poneglygh.....
He might/must be related to the ancient writings or completey related to Laugh Tale or One Piece

[ashen surge]

Just throwing it out there since Urouge is the sole Supernova who hadn't had anything to do after the time skip and I'd like to think that the final keycard required to reach Laugh Tale is in possession of an established character

[pure raven]

That is not how special characters or theorys are supposed to be right?
Well on one side ye coz Oda never makes a useless character just for the sake of it...
But on the other hand just coz he didn't have had any prime role doesn't mean he can be the one!

[ashen surge]

I mean that's exactly what I mean, Urouge needs a role in the grand scheme of things

[pure raven]

it can't be in his/her possession coz nobody owns it but ye the clue can be in possession of an established character.....

[slender fulcrum]

because it's meant to be pulled by sea King

[pure raven]

Ye i just stated two sides.... I can't imply on one side

[stark latch]

So why can't fishmen people swim to surface why would they need help of ship to reach top

[tacit merlin]

Do yal think the potential of cross guild cud replace the wg and marines?

[primal cargo]

Whoever the man witht be fire scar is, he's gonna be relevant to the Poneglyph situation in a way that we don't know yet. Either it's a new character or it's an existing one with a secret that we didn't know. I don't see why Urouge couldn't be that, given we don't know the first thing about him right now

[tacit merlin]

Cause thier basically contractors

[pure raven]

Ye exactly

[tacit merlin]

That's way too obvious lol

[primal cargo]

Also Urouge is small enough in this world that people could talk about him without knowing his name
Which cannot be said for any of the other candidates I've seen mentioned so far

[weak arrow]

Just because something is obvious, does not mean it won’t happen. It’s been a theory for a long time and is honestly the best explanation for why FMI will be destroyed, especially by Luffy as the prophecy predicts. Granted I don’t agree with the idea of 3 other gods.

[sonic lake]

wdym

[tacit merlin]

That's like saying D means dawn lol

[primal cargo]

They're not obvious it's just that these theories have been around for so long you might feel like they've become normal lol

[weak arrow]

Oda does a lot of obvious things. This arc, Hiyori was obviously komurasaki and you had so many people bending over backwards trying to say they weren’t because it was too obvious.

@tiny jewel no talking about hints.

[tacit merlin]

Yea but nobody expected pluton to be in wano all I'm saying author knows thier are people who pay attention to details and the obvious one is the entire redline being destroyed which I don't believe in Theory the redline doesn't need to be destroyed to achieve one piece

[weak arrow]

Well, we do know Poseidon, an ancient weapon, is required to achieve one piece. I cannot think of another reason it’d require the power of seakings other than some destruction, like the red line, for example, so that it’d be done in a timely fashion. And yes, we do know Poseidon is required based off of Roger’s and oden’s actions.

I’d say pluton is 99% confirmed to be required as well, but not 100%, based off Oden wanting wano to be opened so it could be released.

[tacit merlin]

Weapons aren't just used for destruction they are also used for transformation and also transportation because it seems like the Noah was meant to be guided by sea kings which are controlled by posedion

[primal cargo]

Why not 100% ? If it's destruction you're looking for Pluton seems more fit than Poseidon

[tacit merlin]

If anything I believe the current version of the redline isn't its true form/ it's not being used for the original purpose it was created for

And look at the gods of these weapons each one is at a specific domain were people live

Hell,the sky, and the sea

[eager robin]

What if Pluton is to destroy 5Es and Poseidon is for crushing redline? One Piece is all the history combined and NEWS combined.

[tacit merlin]

nah one pice is literally in the name one peace its creating a one peace for everybody at least thats what i think lol

[weak arrow]

I’d say it’s not 100% because the waiting 25 years was only based off Poseidon being born and having to grow, hence roger being early, while for pluton, no indication for that was made .

[eager robin]

Can Sea Kings change the tide of a certain area in NEWS?

[tacit merlin]

in theory they shud be able too

[languid fossil]

don’t know if this counts as a theory per se but nobody responded to me in the main chat so i’ll ask again, is imu’s throne (or i guess could imu’s throne) based off of the throne in the house of commons in the uk that supposedly is never used

[tacit merlin]

U ever watch game of thrones I think its mostly based on thst lol

[eager robin]

Okay, then hopefully this is what Shirahoshi needs to communicate with the Sea Kings in order to achieve One Piece.

[primal cargo]

Ah I wouldn't say it's confirmed that the "too early" situation was only about Poseidon, but it's true it's a link with Poseidon that we don't have with Pluton

[weak arrow]

Not familiar enough with the UK or its history to answer that. But it could be if the house of commons has something like that

[tacit merlin]

She seemed important to it

[weak arrow]

Yeah i shouldnt say only either. The other sovereign is likely necessary as well, and maybe even the nika nika fruit

[languid fossil]

only just started watching it actually, i’m in early s1 but that’s getting off topic

[primal cargo]

We had theorized some time ago that there might be an eclipse or some other astronomical phenomenon, that happens every 800 years and is somehow necessary for certain great changes to the world. Maybe something with the tide ?
The age of the sea circle started 1600 years ago. That would have been one cycle prior to Joyboy's time.

[tacit merlin]

im trying to say the world throne was based on the iron throne it looks similar so i wasnt going off topic i was trying to answer ur question on what it was based on

try looking for what got author based the iron throne on

[languid fossil]

my mistake; it’s in the house of lords, and is used by the queen but very rarely

[languid fossil]

sorry lol i think you might have misinterpreted what i said, what i meant to say was that if i talk too much about where i’m up to in GoT a mod might flag it up as getting off topic

[tacit merlin]

we still dont know who its for exactly but u got a point

[tacit merlin]

ok im not in this chat much so im not hipp to everything lol

[pure raven]

so blackbeard opens the borders of wano with his gura gura no mi, steals pluton and franky builds another pluton with his memories of the blueprint to match it

[wintry lake]

Just finish smoking and figure out that if zeus was with big mom during god valley incident he knows what happened there am I right?

[dim cloak]

Yeah, but he's also a pirate captain and opposite to Kid, Law and Luffy, so if he had a lead, would you think he'd share it with Kid?

Also, I think Kid has had enough of trusting other Supernovas. The ones he trusted all turned on him and he was captured, tortured and suffered greatly because of that betrayal, so I don't think he has ANY kind of desire to trust another supernova (hell, just look how he treats Luffy and Law even though they're trustworthy).

[ashen surge]

I think you're misinterpreting. It could just be a rumor that Urouge has the last poneglyph, I wasn't talking anything about cooperating.

[pure raven]

uruoge will just be the last BB crew member

[dim cloak]

Again, I never said anything about him having this or knowing that. All we know about the man marked by flames is that whoever they are they might have a clue or hint to keep them ahead on the race for the One Piece.

I will keep being a follower of the man marked by flames being a new character related to the Underworld (who Kid is really knowledgeable of considering he went to buy slaves to an Auction House and then was looking at the Shinokuni presentation) and Kid being baffled Luffy doesn't know may be related to the fact that he kind of fucked the Underworld with his actions by kidnapping Caesar and taking out the Underworld leader in Joker, making Luffy public enemy number 1 for all underworld-related folks. He thinks Luffy did it knowingly cuz he knows squat about Law's plan, so it makes sense he thinks it's funny Luffy doesn't know.

[ashen surge]

I don't understand. You're talking about Urouge wanting to share the info he has about the last poneglyph. I wasn't assuming cooperation, this is a story where people beat intel out of each other. I was just wondering that this piece of information we have given could be a hint towards a real life monk that set himself on fire.

[hollow brook]

from where should Urouge even have the intel of the last poneglyph? all supernoveas arrived on sabaody at the same time and none of them manged to even sail in the new world at that point. the last poneglyph went missing from fishmen island at least 25 years ago so when urouge was 22 years old

[dim cloak]

I still maintain that Kid wouldn't trust another supernova unless he knew and this vague information he has, whether he wants to talk or beat it out of him, is so trustworthy he's willing to follow it.

[proud tree]

Uroge knows about sky islands, has wings and is probably from Birka, which contains ancient knowledge (how tf did Enel get the technology to build an electric flying spaceship from Birka).

[dim cloak]

They all did. Bege set sail there and the rest were still alive after the incident implying they either escaped temporarily out of Sabaody to another island that goes away from the red line or that they set sail to the new World while the Navy was too busy waging war against WhiteBeard.

I don't think it's impossible that Urogue hid it, after all, we only know that the point in time it has been missing was after Roger got to Laugh Tale and after Luffy went to Fishman Island, but I still maintain it has been stockpiled by someone else to prevent Luffy specifically from getting it, considering he has Robin, who is the only one who can read phoneglyphs, that we know of, at least.

I think it makes more sense BlackBeard got it after being declared an Emperor and persecuting the WhiteBeard remnants and beating them and the man marked by flames being an ex-Sun pirate turned to the underworld that witnessed BlackBeard taking it for himself.

[eager robin]

He's the one who saw Kaido jumpoff skypiea right? Your statement sounded like he was not in Skypiea and doesn't know the islands.

[hollow brook]

after Roger got to Laugh Tale and after??(before?) Luffy went to Fishman Island

either way, since the last road poneglyph is gone missing everyone could have it but I doubt that Urouge is the one who went there 25 years prior to the actual timeline and stole it.

[proud tree]

it was a destroyed sky island in ruins with unknown name. "Baloon terminal" not Skypia. some theories speculate it was the homeland of the Lunarians (another winged race)

[dim cloak]

I don't think you understand. the 25 years we're saying are the timeframe when the phoneglyph was whisked away. It is impossible it was stolen before Roger got to Laugh Tale and when Luffy arrived to Fishman Island 25 years later, it was already gone. When was it stolen? We don't know, but it had to be somewhere between those 25 years between Roger getting to the glyph and Luffy arriving to the place, so a big array of characters could've been responsible for taking it.

[proud tree]

what about Crocodile? He also has interest in Pluton since forever and experience building a spy network. Caribou could be his new "Mr. 2". He also knows about the Poneglyphs value

[tacit merlin]

I doubt franky cud remeber the blueprints for an ancient weapon literally its an ancient weapon 4 a reason

[hollow brook]

yeah so it went missing after Roger arrived there and before Luffy arrived

[dim cloak]

No, I think Crocodile's plan was always to turn the stakes against the Marines, which is why he wanted Pluton as a bargaining chip, as both that and his more than (whatever the number of Baroque Works soldiers he had as his pseudo-pirate crew) men would be able to make him powerful enough to actually make Cross Guild happen. It makes sense considering he'd be an insider gathering information as a Warlord as their "ally" while also fucking them up as the secret boss Mr. 0 who no one knows the identity of.

Cuz, as Moria and others, he's one of those big pirates who get on the Grand Line to pick on the new up-and-comers cuz they lost their initial drive by being beaten by stronger foes in the New World (him by WB and Moria by Kaido).

[eager robin]

He was a student of the legendary shipwright, why think lowly of him? Just curious

[tacit merlin]

I'm not I just think highly of the ancient kingdoms tech

[dim cloak]

I mean, he destroyed them specifically because he knew Luffy wouldn't actually want to awaken it and because he realized Robin is a good person.

He may have photographic memory (I don't think this is the case), but I do think he may have something done in case someone else knows about Pluton and tries to awaken it.

[proud tree]

Theory on the future of Zou and the Mink tribe:
Imo Zou will die after awakening Pluton and opening Wano. Its curse to wander the seas forever will be lifted after it fullfilled its purpose.
After lifting the responsibility of Zou it can die in peace. It already has shown its weakness: Slow response time (asking for authorized combat actions) while Jack attacked it.

Carrot will be the leader of Zou for a short period of time, after that she will need to find a new homeland for the Minks after Zous death.
Zou dying could mean the end for the Mink tribe, since the Minks are wanted as expensive slaves in the human shop. Guiding the minks through such a hard time will be Carrots responsibility. Since she is inexperienced she might fail at it at the beginning and some Minks get enslaved, showing to us the evil of the World Government.

[eager robin]

He was not even a kid when he holds the blueprints. But I think the materials making pluton would be problematic since it was built ancients ago.

[tacit merlin]

And plus luffys ship is the sunny not no damn pluton lol

Luffy wud never replace his stuff for power

[dim cloak]

You're ignoring the fact that Franky might have based some of the Sunny's properties off Pluton.

[tacit merlin]

Ur right that's a possibility

[spice dune]

I thought I was on general lol

[tacit merlin]

But frsnky called the sunny his master piece and he always put what he wants above everything else remeber his battleships?

Why does this chat have slow mode?

[dim cloak]

Considering the battleships have traumatic memories for when they were used against him and Tom to sentence him to death and get the Pluton blueprints, I doubt he would've wanted to make them resemble the battleships, his new ships, I mean.

[bright willow]

That’s ignoring the conversation with what’s-his-name the mayor at the end of water 7

[tacit merlin]

Ur wrong remrber Tom scolded him for saying that how ships aren't evil its how thier used and wst happend wasn't frankys fault and he learned the lesson completely after the arc

[dim cloak]

He still took it to heart and went out of his way to never make a ship again, the fact they killed Tom for being used by others.

[tacit merlin]

I feel like u not remembering Frankys whole story arc during enies and water 7

[dim cloak]

Pluton is underwater, they wouldn't be able to retrieve it.
If they were close to Pluton, they'd be dead.

[pure raven]

Elbaf will be modelled after Midgard because giants are mid tier

[iron current]

its possible they are at the Pluton, tis possible they are dead and their corpses are in the magma, its also possible they got spit out by the vulcanic outbreak and the BM pirates found them and they are on the ship

[grim oyster]

i dont think they know its down there. even if they knew and got to it they still have to get out of the lava

[primal cargo]

Cover story I guess ? That's what happens to villains that get knocked out and not captured

[quasi lynx]

Good job to anyone who lifted big mom

[barren orchid]

I think the "luffy somehow traveling back in time and actually being joyboy" theory would be perfect for both; the main storyline and the void era backstory

[delicate nymph]

Ive been thinking. Boa and the amazonians can lose to the marines. But instead of going to impel down. They get sent to mariejois to be slaves. Koby knowing this maybe tries to help them escape by leaving a key with them or something on the warship as theyre being transported and asks them not to kill any marines. Boa and co escape and decide not to return to amazon lily but instead join the fight against the cd and go look for the revos. That way we can avoid some situation where the shs have to save them.

[bright willow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNQX2VGROBY I really think this theory is fun to consider

[pure raven]

Why the fuck wouldn't you try to memorize the blueprints of an ancient weapon when your entire thing is being a shipwright that builds battleships lol

And the fact that it was entrusted with him out of all people would make him value it more and therefore want to memorize it and I think it's doable for Franky no matter how complicated it is

[tacit merlin]

It's the blueprints of an ancient weapon named after a God they had blueprints for a reason cause they needed it to build it lol if anything I agree that maybe he memorized a part that he liked and added it to the sunny

[pure raven]

yes they need to build it if it gets in the wrong hands that's the entire point of the blueprints and Franky isn't gonna destroy the blueprints without memorizing them knowing the importance of having something capable of matching it if it gets in the hands of someone like blackbeard which seems to be the most likely case considering what is happening with Caribou in the last chapter

[delicate nymph]

Franky could have also tried not to memorize since he had that whole issue with building battleships

[pure raven]

no that issue has been resolved also the sunny is basically a battleship

[tacit merlin]

I'm basically saying they won't need pluton because they have sunny lol so that plotline is useless lol

[pure raven]

you think the sunny can match pluton? How?

[tacit merlin]

Cause it has the strawhats on it lol a weapon is only as good as the master lol

[pure raven]

what?

[final sparrow]

Momo is going to travel with the straw hats. Toki and momo made a promise together that we dont know yet... she wants him to live the way oden did and rebuild the strength of the kozuki. Especially since she knows momo is tied to the void. Also momo said he will follow in his fathers footsteps... which oden traveled with the pirate king. Hiyori and the scabbards will be at wano while momo becomes a man who will one day be known around the world as shogun. Also 1056 showed that momo isnt ready for the responsibility, he wants the straw hats for now!****

[iron current]

its not impossible

[pure raven]

Do you think the sunny can match shirahoshis power?

[iron current]

wait what, Shirahichis power is to control seakings, how would the sunny be able to do that

[pure raven]

I'm not saying that it would be able to do that I'm saying is the level of power comparable?

[iron current]

if you mean did Franky build the Sunny to be able to fight Pluton, idk, maybe he did, how can you compare a ship with the power to control sea kings?

[pure raven]

I'm comparing an ancient weapon with another ancient weapon they're both able to completely destroy entire islands in no time

[iron current]

we dont even know if Franky actually build Pluton stuff into the Sunny, under the assumption that Franky actually made the Sunny a counter to Pluton, it might be as strong as the sea kings powerwise, but since we dont know if Franky did that, how much he did, how powerful the sea kings actually can be and i thought it was just Poseidon which is known to be able to destroy who islands

[pure raven]

based on what we already know about the sunny it cannot match with an ancient weapon and therefore franky is gonna build the pluton/give the sunny properties of the pluton eventually in order to match with it cause it seems very likely that blackbeard would take control of it and we're gonna have to face him with something comparable to it

does that make sense

[iron current]

i mean its not impossible sure

[pure raven]

what is a more likely possibility to you

[iron current]

i havent really thought about it tbh, will Pluton be unleashed eventually, sure, will it be BB, who knows, will the Sunny need upgrades, when we actually have to fight the Pluton, maybe

[pure raven]

why are you engaging with this then..

[iron current]

you realise i engaged with what Morgana said right

[wise vapor]

enel finds uranus

[grim oyster]

anybody think the voice is connected to blood instead of being able to awaken it? everybody who has had it has been connected to another member in one way or another

[fathom matrix]

I believe Oden has the will of D, as in the will NOT the name. It may have been the D was passed down to a specific hand full of individuals, BUT there are people who hide the will of D and it gets lost, OR simply, there are families and people with that will, who did not get named

He faced danger, showed no fear and smiled knowing his demise, and even in death he still had a grin

So anyone can have the will, but a handfull of individuals have been chosen and live on to carry out that name for the future

[primal cargo]

I like this ! So basically Gear 5th is regular paramecia awakening, and the Gorosei guy is just a mad r/OnePiece theorist

[visual merlin]

the only people connected whatsoever here are oden and momo

[lime pasture]

Kozuki D oden

[visual merlin]

so I wouldn't imagine its much to do with blood

[grim oyster]

D clan and it’s said that three eyed clan has it

[visual merlin]

I don't recall it being said anyone from three eyed clan has it, and D clan people aren't necessarily closely related in blood

[grim oyster]

The reason pudding was so important to big mom is because she would have been able to interpret poneglyphs if she awakened. D clan is still connected in ways like will kinda and they might be able to pass it down via that way. Just food for thought

[visual merlin]

Interpreting poneglyphs doesn't mean voice of all things

[grim oyster]

Kinda sounds like it tho because there is only 2 ways to read them which is actually reading them like robin and the voice maybe

[visual merlin]

Well actually no, we find out its oden who read it for roger, so iirc roger couldn't even do it, either way we know it is not restricted to the voice, so pudding being able to read it wouldn't have anything to do with that

[sudden moat]

bruh we have same icon on disc

[bright willow]

That’s literally not possible because I screenshotted the anime itself

[chrome spire]

It’s not the EXACT same but close enough !theories

[bright willow]

I don’t really mind but at least be honest about it

[dim cloak]

!theories

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, power scaling, bounty predictions or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description. Posts here must be in paragraph form, preferably with evidence, not just a one line open question.

[ashen surge]

It's amazing that in the context of Pluton, the blueprints and how it's supposed to be defeated, no one in here doesn't seem to consider that maybe you don't need to build an equally dangerous instrument of mass destruction to take down a battleship that is solely built to destroy entire pla- I mean islands

[sudden moat]

OK, so I m sorry for that I casual chit-chat in this channel, so here is my little theory:
Hello people, I have a theory about Shanks and Luffy, I have feeling that there will be fought between Straw Hats and Red Hair pirates, that will lead to big power ups to Straw Hats, and Shanks planed that, if u go back when Luffy talks to Shanks when Shanks needed to set sail, Luffy saId something like; that he will get crew that will beats Shanks crew, we all know that Straw Hats are a bit far from power of Shanks crew,
Shanks know about that but he see the potential in Straw Hats and maybe he thinks that Straw Hats can make something that his crew cant, so he went to help them. Or he will try to use Luffy crew for something but still i can't see Shanks as someone that will betray Luffy.
I didn't expressed everything that i thought but still..., and also sorry for my english.

[rare mesa]

If we suppose that Caribou is going to tell Blackbeard about Pluton and Poseidon, do we think that Blackbeard will be able to obtain either one? I mean, shirahoshi is well-guarded, and it's hard to imagine her being kidnapped. Getting to Pluton literally involves destroying Wano, which I can't really see Oda having Blackbeard do.

The big question for me is"What difference will Caribou's intel make?"

[tidal scaffold]

hey everyone.. I just realised something.. Does Hawkin needs to use Tarot cards for his devil fruit abilities? If not.. it's really pointless in terms of his fighting strategy.

[pure raven]

Reminds me of deodorant

[twilit basalt]

I’m saying Aokiji Due to him being literally marked by flames during his fight with Akainu on Punk Hazard

This would also explain the Reaction of Law and Robin, as Law May of met him during his stay at Punk Hazard, and as we know already robins history with Aokiji

Kid maybe making fun of Luffy’s naive nature as he may not be aware that Aokiji and Akainus Clash is the reason why Punk Hazard is what it is

[pure raven]

That’s actually a good theory ngl

[modest skiff]

Robin appears confused, what makes you think she knows who Kid is referring to?

[cursive willow]

someone in the revoltuinart army or been told of him in the army

[pure raven]

I don’t think they do. I just think they are suspicious of him. Like man with a burn mark is really vague. Even if by chance they did know who kidd is talking about the man with a burn mark wouldn’t give it away

[fervent nymph]

Bullet is the man with burn scar?

[pure raven]

Bullet isn’t canon and if he was he would just kill kidd

[fervent nymph]

He was on roger ship and he might now something about laugh tale

[pure raven]

Bro did you not read what I said? He isn’t canon and even if he was he would kill kidd

[fervent nymph]

Law and kidd are stronger now

[pure raven]

He still isn’t canon. And no bullet is like yonko tier bro. He’d kill kid

[snow herald]

Theory: villains have always underestimated the strawhats and especially Luffy. Even though Luffy is a yonkou, it's still going to happen.
They aren't going to recognise luffy from his wanted poster until it's too late.
A running gag, if you will. Like sanji

[stark latch]

Doffy didn't underestimated straw hats he was having a plan to defeat them and it almost worked if viola didn't changed sides

[weak arrow]

He definitely underestimated Luffy, considering he thought diamanté would beat him in he colosseum, and then underestimates him again when fighting Luffy directly.

[stark latch]

But he didn't underestimate completely like Bellamy did and shonen mangas are meant to be in such way where every villan underestimates hero and hero ended up winning

[pure raven]

Kaido even said" and what can they(sh) do if I underestimate them

[grizzled steppe]

In-universe, who would not underestimate him? Dude like 20 years old and only 170s cm where every big shots is literally big and being a pirate decades ago

[primal cargo]

Seems to me Blackbeard could easily do either of those things ? Even the entire army of Neptune is no match for him and his crew, as for Wano he has the power to destroy the earth so

[twilit basalt]

Maybe due to laws reaction, realises he may also have a history with Aokiji

[trail stirrup]

Spoiler warning roger talks about joy boy in Raftel they were laughing maybe because the one piece isnt about the treasure its destroying the red line where celestials sit on top

[ashen surge]

I think it has always been clear to the reader that One Piece is not a treasure one should consider something that has immense material wealth. Not even some of the characters assume it's like that.

[cyan oyster]

Not exactly a theory but i saw an instagram post saying that crocodile is going to impel down to free doflamingo, idk where to put it so i told it here

[iron current]

oh yeah, those were 1057 leaks and take them with a grain of salt because there are a lot of fake leaks floating around

[dusty rock]

[primal cargo]

I wouldn't say that actually, the great age of piracy was born from the idea that there's an immense treasure waiting somewhere for anyone to find. I think, at least to the average pirate of 20 years ago, the One Piece was very much considered to be material wealth

[ashen surge]

I was talking about the reader, only Big Mom has ackonwledged that she doesnt know what it is. But actually let me rephrase, it has been known long for the reader that One Piece is something entirely different than just material wealth.

[primal cargo]

I mean the reader is in the same position as the young pirates when reading chapter 1. The exisence of the treasure is the premise of the story.
Afterwards, as we learn more about it and about the world in general, we might drift away from that initial idea, but I wouldn't say it's clear whether or not the One Piece is materially valuable.
For sure it's more than just that, but it's still very possible for it to be a valuable treasure among other characteristics

[dim cloak]

Actually, it might've been that the One Piece wasn't originally there. After all, Roger' treasures were left there, but the island existed before he went, so it's fairly possible that Roger enticed the world with the treasure hoping someone else other than him reaches Laugh Tale and, besides the treasure, realizes what's the secret that the island holds.

It makes sense, specially considering he never even named the treasure, it was named after he died.

[stark latch]

Imagine if shanks is imu son that could be biiiig reason why all marines dont want to take fight with shanks and also we still don't know many stuff about shanks like how he became yonko with one arm , his journey in grand line/new world , where he lives, relationship with mihawk , why no df user in his crew, etc

[grim oyster]

bro marines dont want to piss off yonko in general

[stoic swan]

arm is irrelevant to seizure inducing haki, and he doesnt even try

[stark latch]

So why greenbull went to catch a new yonko who defeated kaido

[grim oyster]

luffy doesnt have power like shanks and the other yonko

[stoic swan]

also im pretty sure he lives on Elbaf and keeps the giants from taking to the sea, that or he is a human they respect because his power

[stark latch]

Are you serious bro? Stop smoking weed

[grim oyster]

dude he has the smallest fleet of all the yonko not including buggy he easily is one of the least powerful yonko. least territory too

[stark latch]

Man just defeated strongest creature in the world which marines themselves fear to fight and luffy used kaido as jumprope and you are telling me luffy is weak yonko? Bro just read manga again you need to see gear 5 again and based on territory shanks won't have many too luffy never claim territory to his like other pirates do luffy freed many island and if he wanted he could make his own territory and people would have accepted it

[grim oyster]

kaido lost barely to law, kid, scabbards, killer, luffy and zoro. one on one luffy vs kaido even with g5 is still iffy imo

[visual merlin]

This isn't really the place to just powerscale so lets avoid that if possible

[stark latch]

We don't know gear 5 full potential yet luffy was playing with kaido like a toy and if kaido would have been full health i am pretty sure it would have only taken 3-4 pages more and stop underestimating luffy powers

[woeful python]

I heard this theory i thought was kinda interesting: You know how it was explained that if a devil fruit user dies, their fruit will reincarnate into the nearest fruit to them. What if kaidos df and big moms df reincarnated in namis tangerine farm on the sunny

[plucky arrow]

Do we all think Yamato is joining the SH?

[modest skiff]

“Will Yamato join” discussion goes in #manga

[grim oyster]

there has to be a fruit on wano

[iron bolt]

if that happens it’s literally just a team of people beat by luffy and who zoro is gonna beat😭

[plucky arrow]

ok sorry

[subtle wind]

i feel like shanks or blackbeard is gonna be the next king of the pirates, then after that luffy will

[gaunt basin]

since luffy has the sun god devil fruit does that mean that the other 3 gods also have their own devil fruits?

[iron bolt]

kid is vegapunk grandson. kid and luffy have many similarities in: both only supernovas over 300m pre ts, conq haki, right hand also a supernova, possibly more i can’t think of. now luffy has the worlds greatest marine as a grandpa what if kid has someone of almost the same level in the greatest scientist? when oda drew kid as a kid he was playing with tools and a robot was next to him. their is a chapter cover where a bird nest builds in kid hair because he’s concentrated on what he’s building. these show that kid isn’t as stupid as everyone thinks, he’s smart and reckless luffy is dumb and reckless law is smart and composed. my final piece of evidence is isn’t almost every kid attack start with “punk—“. just saying🤷🏽‍♂️

[dim cloak]

What are "the other 3 gods" you mention?

[gaunt basin]

The rain god, forest god, earth god and sun god (luffy)

[cyan oyster]

LMFAO

[pure raven]

Theory this is what is going to go down next arc backed up by norse mythology: Uranus is there(Riajin Island) we will learn more about Urouge, he was the new protector of the ancient weapon, Roger housed the weapon, Dragon was most likely related to Urouge they have similar tatoes we will get an info dump on the history of the birkans, we will learn of a cult worshipping the weather phenomenon. we will also learn how Uranus connects to Elbaph, how you may be wondering in norse mythology the Dragon lives in Elbaph. We will also learn Vegapunk studied the dragon and the Giants protect the dragon as it's going to be the key to the Final War Arc, why a dragon that big will be the carrier for the Giants to reach Marine Ford or Marie Joa. Why did Vegapunk make fake clones we will learn soon enough, most likely he disagrees by the policies of the WG we will also learn more about King and why he was being studied by the WG, why are all three of these things related. Around the same time King was being experimented on 20 years back, just when Roger died this is very interesting this means the WG knows specifically when Joy Boy will return how, this is going to be explained further down the road. Vegapunk made a deal with the WG to make Cyborgs as he enjoyed it when he was younger, I believe Franky and Vegapunk may reunite this would be interesting as Franky and Vegapunk could improve upon Franky. Add new technologies to the Sunny, Vegapunk is also a will of D. he knows stuff about the void century like Shanks, we will learn about what he did. How does this dragon and vegapunk have anything to do with devil fruits, the dragon lives of devil fruits, it's power is based on the consumption of devil fruits stronger spirit fierce conquerors haki, that's what causes the weather phenomenon, this cult literally believes the phenomenon is a God and the Giants protect the Dragon/Uranus. A dragon lives in Yggdrasil in Norse Cosmology btw. Yggdrasil is supposed to be a tree encompassing.

The whole world and the vessel or carrier for the Giants like the fishmen is Uranus, what is pluton, we will find out. Why is this theory a thing we know Luffy the dragon will definitively be Luffy's pet why he is Luffy and thinks everything special is cool. Also, wouldn't it be a cool introduction for an Ancient Weapon to lead us to Elbaph we would get a color spread of the crew watching Uranus fly into the top of three and roots coming out, why we didn't see the other half of the tree is because Yggdrasil is like the foundation of the world from a picture of Norse Cosmology. Also, I'm highly certain Luffy said he wanted a dragon in punk hazard so what better way to suprise us with a Vegapunk lore drop and Uranus and pluton in one arc. What is pluton we will learn the purpose of Marie Joa in this arc why the Lunarians lived up there, and why the red line is the way it is in these next two arcs why to encourage people to go to Fishmen island, the point of it being that way is to encourage equality so people have to go to fishmen island, the WG purposefully irrationally and hastily destroyed the Lunarians, to prevent people from meeting with the other races, they also experimented on them for their own benefit in the future to turn the tide of the war in their inherit favor. They were blocking half the passage, as to keep the people unaware of reminiscing about the past why destroying the Lunarians would mean the Humans are seen as #1, and by staging all of their bases in the grand line it means you are enforced to follow the prejudiced path; therefore, not giving a fuck about the fishmen and they started a hostage crisis for the fishmen to stigmatize and engrain fishmen inferiority losing inherit trust of all other races. Uranus will also be Luffys pet because Oda is a troll ofc and will have a higher bounty than chopper, it would be cool if Vegapunk was the 10th member or 11th no one knows, but the world greatest scientist in his crew would put emphasis to the

Theme of the story, that like Zoro he's on the side of luffy and Shanks we will most likely learn a hint about Shanks, and why not have the world greatest scientist on your crew right he's the pirate king in the story. Maybe we get a flashback as well to Zoro's past, and what he specifically saw in Luffy, and what he's reminded of. This is the end of my brain fumbling and perplexing theory have a great time 🙂. We will also learn Dragons grudge against the WG and why he always wears a coat around himself it's because he has wings and is a skypiean I believe he was indeed a slave and has the mark, due to being a Skypiean like the mermaid he was captured and he has a correlation to the God Valley Incident, and why he looks familar to Rocks D. Xebec. we will also learn the importance of haki, I believe haki is more than someone's will. We will learn the true meaning of haki.

[forest raft]

bro makes goated theories

[past pendant]

What the fuck did I just read

[pure raven]

what's your opinion on it terrible?

[past pendant]

I get everything but the vegapunk - vegapunk played with cyborgs when he was young and franky and vegapunk will reunite where do u get this I’ll give credit tho some portions were solid

[pure raven]

Well where do you think he somehow cloned dragons he needed experience right so he studied Uranus and there's a lab there, how did he somehow just pop up the next day with a dragon also we even saw a cult there when Urouge was there the grand-mother, she's most likely the head of the cult, and the purple lightning is just the dragon exhibiting conquerors and deters people who don't have the haki to stand up to the weapon. Unlike Pluton and Poseidon this weapon is specifically designed to pretty much debilitate opponents, why no one has been able to get near it we've even got no idea why Urouge went to the Grand Line, this might be how the Skypieans have a relationship with the Giants like a treaty or a pact. Also, Raijin Island looks similar to the hot side of Punk Hazard. Foreshadowed, a dragon there too, so I think narratively this works out really well

[grizzled ginkgo]

some of the theory was actually pgood

[pure raven]

let me finish my theory quick

[forest raft]

i think its pretty cool so far

[past pendant]

Vegapunk would not join straw hats nor would luffy allow vegapunk to join the straw hats vegapunk was the entire reason that smile fruits exist and he will always be an enemy to the straw hats he also made kuma into a mind controlled robot he also made a weapon to abolish the 7 warlords so he created a weapon comparable to luffys strength

[pure raven]

That's not my point if he purposefully hid momo's fruit he's got a grudge against the WG and definetly isn't there because he want's too maybe we hear the drums of liberation again by him freeing vegapunk, but imagine Franky's reaction we could have a few chapters solely on vegapunk and franky.

and Uranus as Luffy's pet that's a W of the series imagine luffy having a pet dragon isn't that the most Luffy thing ever

[past pendant]

Vegapunk also fufilled kumas last wish he has humility and he was arrested and made into a marine head scientist it’s obvious they’re using him for his intellect but Uranus being inside wano and toki being from wano 800 years ago and the environment is still the same that means that vagapunk and Uranus got no correlation and your only correlation to giants and Uranus is mythology it was never once mentioned in the series

[pure raven]

I believe there's some past between the WG and Vegapunk we don't know about Uranus I'm talking about it's at that island, explain the strange lightning out of that specific island that's just good writing people can't get near it because it's the only dragon on the planet and scares the hell out of people has ridiculious C.O.C it could help luffy train his conquerors.

[forest raft]

it could also be foreshadowing from when in punk hazard luffy had momo around his neck

[pure raven]

Also something I didn't mention maybe Luffy uses the dragon to train his conquerors haki maybe Kaido was foreshadowing that dragons are a very ubiquitous cultural thing in Japanese culture, and come on it's luffy we are talking about him having a pet dragon that shoots lightning him literally taming the dragon would be so cool

that would be a W arc Vegapunk, Uranus, and WG lore how much better can that get

[old musk]

i believe that rocks i alive and he’s imu

[haughty willow]

My big theory is that the one-piece has not only been found but has been with us from the very beginning, it's the devil fruit.
Gol d Rogers wasn't just telling the world but telling Shanks that he had the one-piece and he needed to get it of Laughtale before the navy could get it, resulting in Shanks stealing it back and giving it to Luffy.

[willow plaza]

Doesn't explain why shanks wants to go get the one piece now. Debunked

[willow plaza]

Sengoku and garp would've known. No one knows of imus existence. Debunked

[haughty willow]

Depends. If Shanks heads to Laughtale my theory is wrong. but if he heads to luffy...
Well it's not confirmed or denied then. Just a thought.

[willow plaza]

He left wano after scaring off greenbull

[sonic lake]

theres a theory that my brother told me about. he said that the blueprints franky burn isnt really the pluton but the counterpart of it.

and shirahoshi is not the poseidon but the god of forest and all the other gods can control the other ancient weapon.

[willow plaza]

That's no theory your brother just paid attention to Franky. The blueprints are a replica of pluton to take down OG pluton if it falls into the wrong hands (looks like it will)

[willow plaza]

Shriahoshi has been called Poseidon by her dad, Roger and Shirley. Also joyboys girlfriend was Poseidon too and was a mermaid. 4 gods 3 weapons. Doesnt add up. Dubunked

[pure raven]

Imu is way older then rocks and they don’t even look alike

Dragon looks veeeeery similar to rocks

[pure raven]

Very is a strong word

[lethal shoal]

When comes the new spoiler

[pure raven]

monday or tuesday

[pure raven]

Compare them

[slender fulcrum]

We have no time left for this if it's gonna last five years.

[pure raven]

I fr thought op film red was gonna be better

[pure raven]

Guys do u think mihawk observation haki can show ppl their future and made luffy see his hands getting cut off and he was surprised when he showed zoro and yet zoro still attacked him cuz early zoro had nothing to amaze mihawk

[grim oyster]

I think luffy seeing his hands get cut off is just him using his brain honestly. I feel like he could do that he would need to use conquerors because he would be emitting his will on other people

[graceful solar]

luffy is based oh hindu god hanuman

[stuck dagger]

no....... just his attack in gear 5

[dim cloak]

It's more like animalistic instinct. We've seen that he has this kind of almost animalistic instincts with how he eats, how simple-minded he is and how those instincts help him in combat. That visual was him realizing that if he attempted to attack Mihawk by stretching his arms, he'd just offer them to him.

Mihawk is the strongest swordsman in the world. It wouldn't be a problem to cut body parts, no matter how strong the enemy if the enemy enters close to his range for him to use his blade. Luffy kind of realized this by instinct.

[sand sail]

I would say Mihawk's comment about how calm Luffy was at the time points to it being an instance of early observation on Luffy's part, but most definitely not some projection that Mihawk made

[pure raven]

Assuming all admirals awakened their fruits what do you think the remaining are? We know how possibly awakening of Kuzan and Sakazuki changed whole Punk Hazard in Ice/Magma hell. Aramaki is developing nature wherever he goes, but Issho or Borsalino? I can imagine Issho's awakening working like Kid's (changing ones gravity, not like with Zoro of course when he just put gravity on him from the air). Borsalino though... manipulating light to smite someone down?

[grim oyster]

I feel like some powers aren’t meant to be awakened. By that I mean like some devil fruits can’t awaken no matter how skilled the user is we can see here when doffy introduced awakenings that he said Some. Not all powers can be awakened. Like I don’t see a way greenbull can awaken since his power already changes landscape. Unless oda does something like green bulls power rots after a certain time I don’t think he will get an awakening. If he does get one I think it would just make his power stronger like kidds and laws

[pure raven]

Maybe you're right, but I don't see a reason for him to sprout new life on Wano looking at what kind of sense of justice he has. If he would like to help the regime get stopped, then he wouldn't sprout the nature all over everything. This can mean a possible awakening. I mean you guys underestimating an Admiral just because he was scared off by a Yonko, joining crew of another Yonko that emerged is dumb. At least by seeing Shanks' power of whatever he can do with haki, not gonna spoil and CoC is true. There are new levels of it coming 😄

We all presume that awakening always means something brutal, but letting other life grow and curing a land is enough of powerful thing now, isn't it?

It might be a twisted fate to give destroyer mind a power to give new life

[modest skiff]

It makes sense for him to sprout plants everywhere he goes since he’s able to transfer his consciousness to any continuous part of his plants. He avoided being dumpstered by Momo by doing that

[distant sorrel]

Do you guys think the thriller bark monsters will be brought up again?

[leaden shell]

No

[surreal quarry]

folks what do you think about the evil shanks theory?

[weak arrow]

I think it’s definitely possible. The way it’s currently presented in the story is that Shanks has been waiting for Luffy to awaken the fruit to make his move, and if his real goal is the one piece, then it seems like he’s just been protecting his investment Luffy from the shadows

[zinc iris]

Thinking back about it, it's possible that Blackbeard used his method of stealing bf powers from the beginning and even used it on thatch to steal the Yami Yami

[dim cloak]

I think it was clear he stole the fruit before he ate it.

Cuz the rule was finders keepers on DFs, whether you eat it or not.

[zinc iris]

but in that case he could just nab the fruit and run away, instead he actually murdered the guy

[dim cloak]

I mean, Thatch was a WB Division Commander, ya think he would run the risk of him catching him stealing the fruit?

In fact, it may very well be he killed him to silence him and nab the fruit and leave, considering he was already going to break the crew's rule on the matter. If Thatch alarmed everyone else, he wouldn't had been able to escape the Moby Dick.

After all, if Thatch caught him, he would've alarmed the others and tried to stop him, so he either killed him before he would be a problem or killed him before he would alarm the others.

He didn't need to eat the fruit for BlackBeard to kill him.

[sand sail]

He didn't need to eat the fruit, but stealing isn't a massive crime on the ship. Blackbeard would've killed him just to be sure he could get it no matter what, if it were as easily as just stealing it he'd have done it, apologized and left, but he wanted to kill Whitebeard eventually too

[modest skiff]

IMO this panel eliminates the possibility

[frozen birch]

Re: Blackbeard. The Blackbeard thatch thing is kinda interesting w the current revelations about the Gum gun fruit. Was just rereading Water 7/Ennies Lobby. It’s not out of the realm of possibility that Blackbeard didn’t kill thatch but he was just a casualty of the fruit making it’s way to Blackbeard. Idr if there was ever a mention of thatch being slashed w blackbeard’s claws. If so, then this idea is irrelevant.

[dim cloak]

No, I think BlackBeard is showing a bit of a complex. He didn't mean that killing Thatch was a casualty of the fruit making it's way towards him (mainly because that would imply that fruit is also a disguised Mythical Zoan and I don't believe that). Rather, what he's saying implies that he was born to bear the power of the fruit and that belief is why he killed Thatch to get it.

BlackBeard also doesn't dismiss Ace's claim of him killing Thatch, rather he says it's bad luck. I think it's because his sole purpose for why he boarded WhiteBeard's ship was to get the Yami Yami, so it was bad luck Thatch found it cuz he was going to appropiate it anyways.

All of this makes me wonder what would've happened if BlackBeard got the fruit initially. Would've he killed Thatch? Would've he just left peacefully? His ultimate goal was to hand over a big bounty to the WG to get access to Impel Down to release some of the worst criminals in history. So he couldn't have predicted Ace would've been handed instead of Luffy or him knowing his legacy and unadvertedly creating a huge war over it, so I don't think he ever had any plans to kill WhiteBeard and get his fruit.

Cuz if he didn't ever plan for WB to confront the WG over Ace, who appeared to get him for his crime AND before he got to Luffy, then he couldn't had possibly planned to get WhiteBeard's fruit cuz he wouldn't had known the outcome of that massive battle.

@sand sail Latter half is a bit of a response to you.

[sand sail]

He did want to take Whitebeard's fruit yeh, his goal was to get both the yami yami and it and become the most powerful person in the world. Marineford was a lucky event for him, but we even have Shanks telling Whitebeard that Blackbeard is more than likely going to come for his seat. That's his goal, literally to be where Whitebeard was in the world, basically the de facto most powerful force on the sea. He needed the Gura Gura for that, and he needed to remove Whitebeard so he could take the seat too.

[modest skiff]

I think we have every reason to take BB at his word that the Yami did indeed choose him. He’s consistently been one step ahead and has shown he had a great deal of very unique knowledge. We are only now starting to get tiny glimpses of what a devil fruit even is. The Yami very well could have chosen BB through mechanisms we don’t know yet

[dim cloak]

Yeah, but since he wouldn't had been able to actually topple WhiteBeard, not even if he was old and rusty and he didn't knew Ace's capture would've stirred shit so much, it's not very likely he had any plans to do that soon and since we only knew his most inmediate plan in releasing Impel Down criminals, it can't be proven that he wanted to kill WhiteBeard and get the Gura Gura. I see it more as a lucky streak he had with destiny having Ace hold him before he reached Luffy and creating the whole mess.

[dim cloak]

But again, we've only been told that Zoans have a mind of their own, so your comment implicates that his is also a fuckery thing Myth Zoan in disguise, which is an idea I'm opposed to.

It's more likely he just has delirious of grandeur of him thinking the power was tailor made for him.

[vast cipher]

What if the Yami Yami no mi ate Thatch and that’s why Zoro and Luffy referred to Blackbeard as they

[pure raven]

I doubt shanks is evil

But I also don’t think shanks is good. He seems like a grey. Like often he could do smth but he only does it if it benefits him or has to do with his friends.
Like if shanks wanted he could do way more

[pure raven]

Eh there’s nothing to think that a df can eat someone

[soft urchin]

maybe Green Bull's fruit IS awakened? We could even assume Aokiji and Akainu are awakened too considering the state of Punk Hazard

[grim oyster]

i thought about that but i feel like an awakened greenbull would instantly clap the scabbards and momo. i wanna see more out of greenbull before I say that was his awakening

[dim cloak]

I think you don't have a lot of faith into the scabbards or the warriors of Wano at whole.

The WG and Navy were afraid of stepping into Wano both because they couldn't get a good number of troops in due to their natural defenses and also because of the infamous strength of the samurai.

We've seen the Scabbards able to easily clap a Billion bounty man (Jack in the rooftop) and withstand the assault from Kaido (while also being able to damage him in return).

Then, individuals from that group were able to pick fights with high bounty individuals like Perospero and (again) Jack.
Hell, even if he is a traitorous rrat, Kanjurou was a fucking pain in the ass, setting on fire most of Onigashima and almost making a hellfire inferno out of the floating island. He was also able to create pawns with which to attack (see the dullahan riding on horses he drew).

Point is, you're underplaying the strength of the warriors of Wano just because Greenbull overpowered them for a bit. They also were missing the other 3 members who were dead and Kinemon, so I think we should cut them some slack.

[frozen birch]

There was some discussion of Aokiji having had awakening since when we first saw him when he freezes the ocean around Long Ring Long Land

[soft urchin]

it would make sense for all the admirals to be awakened

[hollow oyster]

All of them?

[gleaming spade]

Thoughts

[visual merlin]

I don't get where the "why" is? The person explains what the symbolism would be if zoro's eye happens to have a ring around it, but not why we should believe thats the case in the first place. Zoro's open eye doesn't have the ring thing either

[dim cloak]

"People with a ring on their eyes have two souls." theories are so dumb and baseless.

Like, it can be explained and feel more adequate to the story if they just tried to pin this as being a racial thing and Mihawk and Imu happen to be from that race.

But no, it has to be contrived and dumb for no reason. Like most of the BlackBeard "three fruit" or "three souls" or "he eats hearts to consume DFs".

The only dumb and baseless theory I like is the BB being three midgets in a trenchcoat one.

[steady prism]

It’s not baseless. Cavendish is a perfect example of multiple personalities in one individual that has the “double ring eye” trait. The problem is how people extrapolate that fact to make assumptions on Imu’s/Mihawk’s “alter personality/soul”.

[crystal hinge]

lowkey, i think in the final war, luffy will save black beard from rocks and together they will fight the gorosei

[steady prism]

Also that Zoro theory is….meh. There’s no evidence for Zoro to have multiple personalities/souls/whatever, so I’m not as inclined to believe the whole Dracula stuff. If anything, Zoro’s closed eye has more in common with Rayleigh than Mihawk.

[crystal hinge]

nah all those dont make any sense

[modest skiff]

Cavendish is a particularly good example because the eyes turn on after transforming, he has a completely different fighting style, different personality, and they aren't able to co-exist

Its not like a transformation where he is still the same guy. Even the fighting style is specifically different. They are not the same person. Whether that relates to the eyes or not, there are 2 distinct personalities. Maybe it is 2 souls, maybe not

[steady prism]

Yes, they coexisted for a short period of time, but it was almost like two people holding the same steering wheel: chaotic. Interestingly, it seemed like Cavendish “dominated” Hakuba for a moment and kept his double ring eyes. From that, anyone can easily infer Mihawk’s eyes and Imu’s eyes whichever way you want: they can either coexist or dominate their “alter ego”.

[pure raven]

Rocks is dead? And you know how much beef Luffy has with bb. Bb is like top 1 or 2 ppl Luffy wants dead

[torpid mist]

there are 4 points on a cross. Therefore I believe Cross Guild will have a 4th headliner -- weevil. I also think their main objective is finding the 4 road poneglyphs to identify the cross section where raftel is. I will be very cross if my theory is wrong

[hoary hatch]

Weevil could have joined Cross Guild if his mom told him to do so. The whole thing about Weevil is that he himself is incredibly simple and would have just gone hunting BB for revenge if it wasn't for his mother pushing him to do things that make him (or more importantly his mom) rich. So her deciding that he should join Cross Guild would be totally plausible.

[pure raven]

I don't think it's Weevil. But a possibility of them releasing Doffy as 4th member... ohmagawd I'm hard

Weevil surely doesn't need any organisation to still roam the seas. He's told to posses prime Whitebeard's strength, nobody will get to this guy even if he's braindead

I think that Weevil will join Blackbeard at some point, seeing his mom's hatred for Whitebeard pirates (whoever would go after his lover's dreamt family to seek vengeance?).

[lethal heath]

So i believe Karasu's devil fruit is the tori tori no mi, model yatagarasu. So i was doing research and yatagarasu means 8-span crow, nd in japan 8 has a meaning of many or a multitude, like how karasu can turn into multiple crows/ravens

[pure raven]

[rotund grail]

!theories

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, power scaling, bounty predictions or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description. Posts here must be in paragraph form, preferably with evidence, not just a one line open question.

[rotund grail]

@rich charm @lethal heath ^^^^

[pure raven]

what if they were serious

[rich charm]

r u insulting the teory i made. how wuz i joekin

[low remnant]

8.6/10 i like it

[grim portal]

mihawk was like Shanks rival at first though

[rich charm]

thank you

[lethal heath]

Why did you @ me? Karasu’s fruit has yet to be identified so I think the yatagarasu theory is pretty valid

[rotund grail]

It's a great idea, but it's sentiment isn't really appreciated in this channel, It would be lovely means for discussion in #manga-serious for the future.

[lethal heath]

I just posted a theory in theories chat

[latent zodiac]

im calling this...

"Elbaf: Who is Loki"

Say we get to elbaf, We know that Lola's ex Fiance (a prince of Elbaf) would have been Loki who we know nothing about aside from the fact that he is well respected leader by the Giants of Elbaf and most likely holds a grudge against bigmom for failing to wed Lola, her 23rd daughter

Lola then fled from Bigmom (even with the threat of Bigmom huge temper) and Loki because she did not reciprocate the love (we think its love) he had for her.

As the Elbaf residents are mainly giants, would it be safe to assume Loki is also not the person he claims to be and maybe Lola had more than one reason to flee Loki.

(Lokis wife in norse mythology is cursed to be with him during lokis snake venom torture untill ragnarok frees him, or something similar which made Lola fear for her life.

In the IRL Lore, Utgard-Loki is known as the ruler of the frost giants or Jötun, a natural enemy of the gods and (along with his many monster children) the sole catalyst for ragnarok, the twilight of the gods which happens after cruel winters and moral chaos (awaiting the dawn)

And it is said when ragnrok is over the world will drown in the ocean (or lets say the island will)

A war of Gigantic proportions to kickstart the end of all things (maybe even the final war)

Bigmom ends her story with the giants as well

But not all hope is lost. Say dorry and broggy somehow can come to an agreement to cease fighting to stop ragnarok and come back to elbaf prehaps it can be avoided (hajrudin being a member of the grand fleet would influence the strawhats to intervene, as well as usopp who has wanted to see elbaf for a long time

[pure raven]

hopefully BM does get a proper send off

[dim cloak]

I said souls theory, Cavendish has a split personality, which is different and sensible.

The soul theory is dumb and the only reason why I dislike Big Mom's powers. Cuz it enabled these.

[devout apex]

Hey do you think that's why Luffy was pushing for a musician on the crew for like 3 arcs?

[dim cloak]

I actually don't hate the idea of a morally grey BlackBeard. Since both are pirates, they're rivals, but BlackBeard has never shown any kind of hostility towards Luffy that wasn't "Ow, he hit me, Imma hit him back.". If anything ever since Jaya he peaked BlackBeards interest, since he has been on the hunt for him specifically ever since Alabasta. For no reason other than a personal fixation, cuz there are a lot of bounties he could hand over that are somewhat that high.

So yeah, in a weird way, while Luffy does have a beef with BlackBeard, it's not the other way around as well. If anything, I would like that even if they are enemies, they kind of empathize with each other and regret the turns of fate that turned them against each other.

[dim cloak]

Actually, Weevil has shown that his sympathy for WB has been honest and sincere. His beef with BlackBeard is personal cuz he really believes he is WBs son. It was his mother who dissuaded him by telling him to do something else.

[dim cloak]

Even if he is simple, he wouldn't head to BlackBeard because of his personal hatred against BlackBeard. Besides, his beef with the WB pirates was made by his mom to get to WBs treasure that she thought the WBs remnants either held or knew where it was.

[dim cloak]

While Uta herself is canon in One Piece, her movie and what happens in it is not.

It's kind of a Shiki situation where Shiki, the pirate, is canon, but what happened to him in his movie is not.

[devout apex]

So we would basically need a chapter 0 version of film red to tell us which parts are canon, then?

[dim cloak]

Nothing in the movies is canon.

Shiki and Uta are canon characters, but not the content of their movies.

Which means that the only thing per the manga that we know is canon about Uta is that she exists. You shouldn't trust any material from the anime or the movie that validates Uta's contribution to the story like the thing they're doing to promote it where they decided she actually spent her time with Luffy in his village.

[latent zodiac]

Oh i love this

Suddenly "i want a musician" makes even more sense now

[devout apex]

Counterargument is that nothing is actually contradicting her existence or those events happening either (at least the anime, not the movie) because it happened prior to chapter 1

[dim cloak]

Her existence totally invalidates most of Luffy's feelings of being alone in the world and having no one he could have a friend, so yes, it does create problems in canon if you were to believe those events are canon. Mainly basically all of Grey Terminal.

[hoary hatch]

That was my point. Weevil is trying to be a good son to Whitebeard (and it is questionable if this is true, as apart from being similarly incredibly strong, there is little similarity) but his mother constantly guides him to doing stuff that would make him (and her) rich. Like going after treasures rather than seeking revenge. Funnily enough, it seems to me like WB left no treasure behind. He was using vast majority of his share of loot to finance a poor kingdom so that they could get the World Government protection. (Why he did not simply plant his flag there and protect them with his own strength, I do not know. Maybe the kingdom was so far from Grand Line that he wouldn't have been able to protect them and continue his pirate business?)

[dim cloak]

Luffy is a simple guy who likes to have fun. It's not farfetched to think that he would've liked a musician regardless because it makes him smile and have fun while on voyages.

Considering the events are not canon, it would make no sense for Luffy's insistence on this fact to be validated by his friendship with Uta.

[latent zodiac]

Its just a nice nod is all

|| they even bring back the skypeia singing which was amazing ||

[devout apex]

The skypeia singing was a phenomenal touch

[dim cloak]

Yeah, but what I'm saying is that I heavily doubt his mother would influence him so much to betray himself.

I do agree that maybe Weevil will do something like join Cross Guild or something. Or maybe he already did and we didn't had it shown cuz being so simple, the sight of him don't bother the Navy as much as Mihawk and Crocodile working together with Buggy.

[devout apex]

Gotcha. Thx for the discussion 🤝

[brave dragon]

guys im not a zoro stan but idk isnt it weird that wano is over now and we didnt get any information about zoros backstory

[dim cloak]

I think that's a better fit for the casual manga channels.

[fallen storm]

someone give me theories on Strawhat Bounties after wano, and ill judge if its possible

[dim cloak]

@fallen storm

[fallen storm]

Isnt it a theorie tho, sinfe this isnt serious manga theories

[dim cloak]

!theories

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, power scaling, bounty predictions or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description. Posts here must be in paragraph form, preferably with evidence, not just a one line open question.

[fallen storm]

Thats weird they make this channel to make another "Serious Channel"

[dim cloak]

The fact is that theory prediction is usually low-effort discussion, so it doesn't fit here, or at least that's what I get.

Theories is for people who want to make theories regarding lore, world-building and such, and serious is for discussing stuff. Manga channels are for casual chitchat.

Everything has a place, if you wanna do it, you can go to the manga channels.

[upbeat vector]

Been reading alot of im sama theories and like the wizard lf oz comparisons i think him having a sea fruit wouldnt make any sense? You df is your weakness

[crystal hinge]

nah it logically makes sense.

[pure raven]

How

[stray bolt]

When I think of BB and Luffy; I think ☯️ yin and yang.

Where one's awakening is light and imagination; the other, MIGHT BE some Zoan w/ darkness and PROBABLY nightmares.

I think the nightmares theory ties to the "never sleeps" thing.
Some people discredit his potential "cause he was scarred" when WB was still alive on MF (he underestimated him). Without thinking that that detail was to highlight WBs (or yonkos in general) strength even in his last moments. Building on WBs legendary status.

If you think about it; BB is probably the "What-if" version of Luffy - same as Rocks was to Roger. You can see that with their accomplishments, goals and rivalry (not "I hate you" rivalry, more like: "I'm not gonna let you beat me to it" rivalry - even though the two aren't consciously aware of it. They do however hear about one another's accomplishments on the newspaper or through their crewmates).

(2)
One took down a warlord; so he could in theory, replace that warlord. The other wanted to become a warlord in order to get to his next goal; so "how dare this "new-comer" bet me to it?" So the plot begins.

Both seem to have the same goal.

Where the one wanted to become a warlord in order to gain access to ID and free certain individuals in order to build his own version of a well rounded/balanced crew. And thus beat/replace a yonko. (His ultimate goal: we're yet to find out - all we know is that, he looked at the newspaper and said he won't let Luffy beat him to the prize, that's when he made his move again)

The other, is to take down menacing warlords. In the process, break into ID, in order to free his brother and eventually get back to his own version of a well-balanced crew. And as we've seen; his goal was also to beat the yonko. We're yet to see if he'll eventually become PK.

They might have the same number of cremates 🤔. Imo, they'll probably add more individuals before they finally meet

Fingers crossed for Yamabro and Marco.

[upbeat vector]

Im waiting for the rocks sillouette and he has the buggy red nose and looks bad ass af

Didnt blackbeard invade whole cake?

[modest skiff]

@crystal hinge only polite and serious posting in this channel please

[crystal hinge]

i am being serious? are u trying to imply that my theories are foolish? wow

[violet badge]

This one might be well known but adding a sauce to it.. I think kaido and big mom under wano will find pluton and wreck havoc the next time we see them and that will be when we are seeing either shanks or Blackbeard cause shanks coldly said he’ll claim one piece like he has some plan that is on par with getting an ancient weapon . And Blackbeard a mystery but in marijoe he took advantage of the revolutionary situation probably or the warlords issue ..might have stolen a weapon from the hands of navy or WG ..This concludes all 4 ancient weapon which we will finally get to see in action. This sounds stupid I know but maybe 1% chance this might happen

[pure raven]

That was a theory based off the cover story iirbht then the was confirmed to be the germa. It’s possible he might have but we don’t know

[pure raven]

I doubt it. Bc don’t get me wrong placement wise it makes sense. But bm and kaido have been through the ringer. They had multiple death matches and were near death already then fell into lava and had a crazy fall. Bm fell into like literal nukes

And then they had no medical treatment for like a week and are like basically submerged in water

[crystal hinge]

this logically makes no sense tho

[pure raven]

Even if they are some how alive. They’d die from injures and it’s not like kaido or bm know how to operate pluton either

[crystal hinge]

u cannot survive a nuke because of radiation

[modest skiff]

If you are going to say something doesn't make sense in this channel, you we ask you please explain why and be respectful

[pure raven]

Well not actual nukes but like the size was similar and it’s basically bm just fell into really big bombs

[upbeat vector]

Honestly i think them being dead wouldnt be true to what oda has done for all the other yonko or significant figured 2 villains we been dealing with for almost 10 years and after defeating them we see them uust sink into lava and just peace out especially after emphasizijg so much on kaido and death? I think this is just the jebait have them@both sink in a very underwhelming defeat for legendary figures then the vry next chapter we learn the true wano is underground? And so is pluton

[pure raven]

I hard disagree. I think the point of kaidos arc is this. And it’s not like kaido and bm are dying uneventfully. It’s taken two arcs and 3 for kaido to be down. Almost the entire post ts has teased their defeats. And even in deaths uneventful death is perfect for kaido and decent enough for bm

[sand sail]

Literally all of it did

From Fishman Island to now, every arc either ends or begins with trying to screw over either Big Mom or Kaido

[pure raven]

I didn’t count fishmen bc it’s not as connected really until the end

[sand sail]

They had the most spectacular death in the series so far. Along with the longest, biggest, most important arc in the series thus far, complete with the most important revelations and character progressions

What do you mean by "all other yonko"? We've had one other die.

[upbeat vector]

Yeah thats what i mean the only other one who has passed away had a much more spectacular death though

[upbeat vector]

And exactly longest biggest arc in the series with thr most important character revelations and progression. The antagonist who was hyped up as the pretty much some if not the strongest from what we knew for 10 years. tanked all this damage had all these feats just for him to kinda have really a lackluster death truly in comparison to the only other yonko death we had and wb’s was spectacular compared to kaido and the whole thing about kaido being defeAted and dying was waaayyy more hypee up then wb. Like yeah the arc should he the longest most important arc of the series with the most character development its been hypee up for 10 years it better be lol. But the antagonist who they have hyped up more then the arc itself was amazing up until his defeat lol

I just expected him to have a much more like in your face. Reveal etc kinda death

[sand sail]

Whitebeard's death was spectacular because it was the first Emperor's true fight we'd ever gotten in the series and it was supposed to have massive implications for the age. Wano easily blew it out of the water, Kaido's death just wasn't seen by people. It was easily far more of a spectacle than Whitebeard's ended up being minus only the fact that the marines got to broadcast his death to the world.

He got blown up in a volcano

Whitebeard died to getting shot a bunch, stabbed a bunch, burned a bunch and being old and sick after having broken an island in half and ruined the entire city and base. Kaido died to a subvolcanic eruption that went miles high after fighting the equivalent of an army, including the seemingly godlike Jesus figure of the One Piece world, while flying an island across a country. He was also a hundred foot dragon that could control the weather.

[sand sail]

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[upbeat vector]

My bad for the late response tbh yeah if you put it like that you’re right maybe the wb stuff just felt like more cause i initially watched it in the anime so ide assume they gonna make kaidos look nuts

[trim crag]

@upbeat vector you posted that giant Imu theory earlier, it was pretty cool. I always have thought a sea based fruit would be a possibility there.

[fathom matrix]

U think if Arlong was taken to the holy land to be a slave and he'd see another perspective?

As in, seeing humans as slaves is like "I guess to the world government, no matter what you are, you're always seen a trash" and maybe seeing all the other humans suffer, maybe even spending time with them, he may change his perspective a little.

Like, if he's release/freed, he's not a good person, he's not forgiving or loves humans, he kinda just closes himself off a bit, and tries to do what he wants without that violant malace he once had.

[modest skiff]

Questions like this are generally saved for #manga and #also-manga per the channel description

[upper beacon]

Pluton is a Voltron/Gundam Style Mecha.
Not only would this be cool, but it would make sense, considering the only one in One Piece crazy enough to build a mecha of any sort, (that we know) is our boy Franky.

[pallid haven]

shanks is imu

[stark latch]

Shanks is imu son that's why marine don't fight shanks to save their own ass and post
This also tells us that why gorosei didn't did anything to shanks when shanks came to marijois maybe he came for a mother-son meet up

[pallid haven]

yea maybe

[merry olive]

You guys think that Vegapunk developed stronger PX that can eat Devil fruits?

[dim cloak]

PXs seem to use the same technology that Judge uses to basically create humans and edit them, so I'd say all of them can eat fruits, it's just it'd be a little stupid to give them one when they can fire Kizaru's lasers and when those fruits are better used on individuals that are conscious enough to use them correctly.

At Sabaody we saw that they can malfunction and are more like robots than cyborgs, in the sense that their thought process seem to work on directives, so giving one a DF would be a waste.

[pure raven]

Or maybe Shanks helped sengoku/marine on something and they just trust shanks. Shanks always do reasonable thing so he has not gone against marine thus marine don't see shanks as threat

[stark latch]

Nah for Akainu pirates are pirates no matter what , he will do anything to capture pirates

[solid lagoon]

Yes

[left elbow]

Does anyone know if usopp will ever get stronger, maybe learn to use haki or eat a DF. Is there anything we know besides him kinda using haki in dressrosa

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[hearty quartz]

There is an agreement that Usopp will develop further if they SH go to Elbaf

[hollow palm]

Kaido & Big Mom got knocked beneath Old Wano, they’re gonna find Pluton and use it as a weapon, and then the strawhats r gonna have to build a 1:1 copy to destroy the original one

[stark latch]

He will 1000% sure get new powers in elbaf

[pure raven]

Man y’all really want bm and kaido alive

[hollow palm]

it just doesn’t seem like they’re dead bro because Oda showed the holes that each of them went down

and then in a recent chapter Oda showed the diagram of where Old Wano and the Road Poneglyph are located. BM and Kaido seem to be below old wano, and Sukiyaki said that further down is Pluton it just doesn’t seem reasonable for them to be dead

[modest skiff]

The fact that BM and Kaido got sent down to right to where Pluton is, is certainly hard to ignore

[eternal hemlock]

I really like the elemental haki theory because it would explain a lot of things like fishman karate, sulong electric, red hawk, daiblo jambe etc but can anyone think of a canonical reason that it would never have been mentioned by anyone?

[modest skiff]

Elaborate? Not sure what you’re referring to

[pure raven]

He means if elem haki exists why isn’t it mentioned

[eternal hemlock]

Yeah, to elaborate there's an idea that there's a "4th type" of haki that allows haki users to manipulate their environment. Kinda like how awakened doffy can turn things into string

[pure raven]

I doubt it exists so that’s my input

[sonic lake]

i want to talk about chopper's devil fruit. all human human fruit have a model right? except for him? somethings not adding up.

[dim cloak]

Chopper's fruit is the base. The other ones we know of are Mythical Models based on the basic bitch one Chopper has.

[steady prism]

Afaik, it’s an idea coined by a YouTuber called Parvision. His goal was to explain how regular characters are able to have these elemental techniques/attacks and a lot of data points point toward the idea that there’s another level of haki called “elemental haki”. It’s a fun theory and he actually uses a lot of cannon scenes to corroborate it. Obviously don’t mean to put words in your mouth @eternal hemlock lmk if I’m completely wrong

[sonic lake]

what about kaido lol. Hes a fish so what is the normal fish fish fruit. Salmon? Tilapia?

Chopper's devil fruit looks like a mushroom? how is that related to being human

i mean he doesnt even look like a human

what now? LMAO

[dim cloak]

Kaido's fruit relates to a japanese legend about a Koi Fish climbing a waterfall to become a dragon. That's why it's a fish model, to suit the legend it's based off (which also parallels Wano's form of entry too). Which is the standard fish model is not the issue or has anything to do with your question with Chopper.

The form of the Devil Fruit also has nothing to do with it. Oda just wanted to make it a fruit resembling a mushroom.

Chopper's human form is the one that ressembles a Gorilla. His usual form is the hybrid and his reindeer self is his true form or "human" form. When he was introduced they even explained it with a handy dandy image. Lemme go fetch it.

But yeah, Chopper's fruit is the basic form of what Mythical Human Zoan variants are based off, just like there's a dog fruit but there's variants like the wolf one Jabra ate or the jackal one Chaka ate.

There are other examples of this too. This just means that there's a human fruit but also variants of that fruit spread across the world, both regular variants and mythical ones.

Here:

[sonic lake]

lets just says that theres a dog dog fruit without any model, what will they look like? i mean theres so many breeds?

[dim cloak]

How should I know?

[sonic lake]

i dont think there could be any base fruit. everyone is different. I think Choppers df is not normal. i think its a Yeti kinda. Chopper comes from a winter island and was always refered to as a monster before joining the Strawhats.

[sonic lake]

dont know. just defending this theory

[dim cloak]

His human appearance is abnormal cuz he's an animal. Even with most of his body becoming bare skin, he still retains fur cuz he's an animal. His fruit kinda differs from most Zoans cuz instead of gaining more fur as he changes forms, he kinda loses more fur due to humans being less hairy.

And he was always referred as a monster precisely because even if he takes a human form, he is still a reindeer using his powers to transform into a human. He'd still looks off in his human form, as you've seen. Large, almost gorilla-like, blue-nosed... Specially considering he came from the tundras, it's just normal people would mistake it with a monster or an animal still.

In fact, I considered that it might be the opposite of what you're saying. Chopper's fruit is a human fruit, but for all human races. That's why he seems to have the "boosts". Arm and leg boosts are just the arm/leg strength he'd have if he was a long-arm/long-legged human, his alleged by many as Awakening in the form of Monster Point ressembles a giant...

There may be even some kind of other parallels we don't know, but that's what I believe, which makes more sense than thinking his fruit is off because he's the base one and isn't a variant.

It also validates why the Gigantification knowledge Caesar has, has helped him renew the Rumble Ball formula to improve the time he can remain transformed into Monster form from 2 minutes to half an hour.

It all connects pretty well, I'd say.

[sonic lake]

what about pato hes a pen and he ate the Inu Inu no Mi, Model: Bake-danuki why doesnt he look like a pen when he tranforms .other weapon still looks like a weapon even in beast form just like Lassoo and Funkfreed.

[dim cloak]

At this point, we know very little about DF applicances to inanimate objects. All we know is that (at least until said otherwise and by all examples in the story) it can only be done with Zoans Fruits and that the process is unknown.

It's also not really sensible to compare living beings transforming with a Zoan than inanimate objects doing so. It's a whole can of worms you're opening.

There's something that was said in the Mr. 4 fight where Usopp actually points something that the Elder Stars later validate. I have the screenshot, lemme find it.

To which Ms. Merry Christmas just says "You see it happening, so it can happen, don't sweat the details."

And now we know that the fact that they are sentient now may be cuz Zoan fruits actually have the conscience of the animal.

In fact, that also explains why Chopper and his fruit had a fated meeting. Chopper was outcasted in his deer herd due to being blue-nosed, so the fruit might've materialized/found it's way to him due to his desire to fit in. If he can't fit in with deers, then he might as well try with humans, if his wish is to become something else to be accepted. After all, they have a mind of their own.

[sonic lake]

they have a mind of their own. specially zoan fruits

[dim cloak]

No, they say "All Zoans have a mind of their own.". They never mention Paramecias or logias and it makes sense why they don't cuz materials cannot think or rationalize.

Hold on, I'll get the screenshot.

[pure raven]

One piece is a one piece for devil fruit user to wear to swim

[pure raven]

I wanna know the gomu gomu history so bsd

[dim cloak]

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[sonic lake]

choppers zoan is not normal he can use 7 forms

i mean before time skip he can only use 3 like a normal zoan fruit but now....

[glass loom]

He always could use 7 forms.

[sonic lake]

when he eats a rumble ball

[glass loom]

So? The rumble just helps him activate his forms, after training he doesn't need it anymore which means that the moveset was always there, just not the skill

[sonic lake]

i also have a question: what if kaido eat a rumble ball will it work? i know chopper made rumble ball for himself only and he made it compatible for himself. but what if kaido ate it? will it work

[glass loom]

You're looking for something that's simply not there, his fruit is obviously a base human fruit, the comparison with animals is not valid because animals have different breeds, we humans are homo sapiens, the one and only.

[dim cloak]

Thank you for bringing this up because it is untrue. He only can use his regular forms and could only change to more once he intakes the Rumble Ball, which, quote "Is a drug that modifies the transformation powers of the Devil Fruit.

I have this belief, seeing Black Mariah and Marco's transformations, that there is a degree of mastery that allows Zoan users to only partially transform parts of their body instead of going either 100% animal or 50/50. I call it partial transformation and I think that's what Chopper taps into when he used the Rumble Ball in the past.

And in regards to Marco, Chopper said post-time skip that he can know tap into all of his transformations (sans Monster Point) without using a Rumble Ball, so we know they can train themselves to do this.

[dim cloak]

I kinda disagree given that there are human variants in One Piece like the long-limb tribes, the giants and what-have-you, but I do agree on the notion that the Human Human Fruit Chopper has is the base, as alleged by most Inu and Neko no Mi variants.

[glass loom]

I don't think his rumble ball would modify the fruit itself, it helps unlock the transformation, which as I said is always there, just skill is needed

[dim cloak]

I paraphrased it from Drum Island, where I don't think Oda had much more than a rough idea about how to handle Chopper and his fruit, but the usual explanations is that it "distorts the wavelengths of the Devil Fruit" that, as you say, allow him to combine and amplify certain aspects of his body, like a partial transformation.

By the way, @sonic lake has that answered your questions?

If you see them as partial transformation and/or Chopper's fruit being a base fruit for all human models, it makes sense why with the use of drugs and training, he can unlock more transformations.

[glass loom]

Yeah fair enough I agree that you partially transform if you're a Zoan assuming you're skilled enough

I'd say drugs too but not everyone is a medicinal genius like chopper so training is the most common way

[dim cloak]

Considering the last time I had this arguement, I had to go to hell to try and convince the other people in it, I feel so validated that someone sees the logic in it and doesn't try to just assume something dumber as the response.

Thank you.

[glass loom]

I mean it makes sense and we've seen it happen, for the entire anime as well, so I don't see why people wouldn't get the gist of it

[sonic lake]

yeah. this theory doesnt have that much of an info so i pretty much agree to what you said. i just have just a teeny hope for this theory.

[dim cloak]

Last time, I brought "Partial Transformation" using Chopper and Black Mariah as an example because people thought Marco's weird transformation was his awakening instead of partial transformation.

I think by saying that, you can feel the frustration when the other party involved refused over and over to accept what I said and then relied on other people trying to go through the same arguements in cyrcles to try and convince me.

[dim cloak]

It's OK! I mean, it makes sense why you would think that considering Chopper has been given special treatment in the way of his Zoan transformations.

And I mean, maybe Oda sits on top of my logic and makes it his bitch and you're right, we'll have to wait and see if he ever validates any of these.

[glass loom]

Yeah some people just dont really bend and are fixated on their opinion no matter what

Is it me or has the slow mode timer Increased by a lot in this channel ?

[sonic lake]

😭 finally some good talk. when i try to send a theory to this channel some people really just flips me off.

[dim cloak]

I think it's done to commend people to use paragraph form to write theories and also to discourage people from casual chitchat.

Also @sonic lake I FEEL YOU! 60% of my time in this channel ends up with either someone completely destroying my theory by saying it's 100% incorrect by logic of the story and the information presented or running in circles with arguements where one or more people refuse to come off their high horse and accept facts backed up by evidence instead of believing in their own baseless theories.

[plucky kiln]

Theory:
Caribou works for Crocodile and informs him about Pluton. Thus Buggy Alliance will claim Pluton and have yet another reason to be a serious powerhouse in the Final War. That way Crocodiles character would find his way back to plot and Pluton won't fall in the hands of someone random.

We might learn soon or later how Crocodile even learned about Pluton and how he got motivated to prepare for the upcoming final war that early in the show. He stated that in case of a final war he wants to be able to be influencial. Barrocs Work and the tried conquest of alabasta were genius of him.

For some reason he dislikes the Marine so much that he'd save luffys ass more than once. He seemed to have respected Whitebeard and was disappointed in him in Marineford. That secret Ivankov discovered might show us a whole different side on Crocodile. Whether he changed his gender or not, it seems to be an embarassing part of his story. Maybe he had a relation to the roger pirates as well. As a rookie in the new world he would have time wise been in their era

[ashen surge]

Could you be the person who explains to me why there needs to be a 1:1 copy of Pluton so you can defeat the og?

[somber hound]

I thought of chopper as closer to big foot, all his yeti-like and snow animal features come from him being, well, a reindeer on a winter island

[hollow palm]

because the sole reason that the blueprints were passed down was so that if Pluton ever fell into the wrong hands, a new one could be rebuilt with the blueprints, to destroy the original one. yes you could probably make a better pluton than the original, but nothing less because thats how strong the ancient weapons are

[ashen surge]

Yes, this was the explanation given in the story why the blueprints were passed on from generation to generation but is that the only viable solution

[hollow palm]

but as we saw, even Franky (who is an architect and shipwright) was surprised that something like that could even be built, so that means even Franky isn’t capable of doing that right now, which makes me question if Pluton was really build 800 years ago or in the future

[hollow palm]

well you could destroy an ancient weapon, with another ancient weapon

[ashen surge]

So you never heard of the story where a giant battleship capable of destroying all life of it's regional target was defeated by identifying it's weaknesses from the blueprints? There was even an entire story that was about acquiring the blueprints in question.

[plucky kiln]

1st This isn't a powerscale channel. You might want to delete the comment later since mods will do anyways

2nd Comparing Roger and Whitebeard to Luffy and Shanks doesn't work. Roger and Whitebeard were a whole different tier back in their prime. Their strength and influence was so terrifying that both of them are the only pirates in history to have a bounty over 5 billion. Bounty isn't always about strength alone. But regarding the situation and how especially roger and wbs bounty was introduced after we learned about yonkos bounty really speaks for itself.

Shanks and Luffy might be able to surpass roger and whitebeard. Personally I wouldn't like that because there is no necessity for it, but it could very well happen.

A lot about Shanks remains unknown. and yes the fact that roger was confirmed to have been a haki user only makes it likely for shanks to be that kind of strong person, especially since he got famous for his conquerors haki.

but it doesn't put luffy equal to shanks. Luffy only experienced gear 5 for a while. he has room to grow and learn about his true powers.

Him beating kaido might have put him in the league of yonko but it didnt put him over kaido since he didnt beat him alone

[jade hatch]

Wouldn't Wano's old wano in the fresh water be perfect to move the fishmen to at some point?

[glass loom]

It's a common theory that fishhmen would relocate to old wano in the case of fishman island's destruction so yeah

[stark latch]

Fishman dream is to live in Land with human not in old human territory and by end wano borders will definetly get open

[stray bolt]

Theory: Crocodile is actually WBs son.

[stray bolt]

And he attacked WB during the war cause he felt abandoned by him.

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[fathom matrix]

Do you think if Dragon and Luffy ever meet, Dragon's gonna try and have some sort of dramatic or strong speech about working together/taking down the WG, But luffy's not gonna care that much and be like "I'll help sabo, but I don't really owe you anything dude"

Cause Luffy seems like the type of guy who sees family as people who are there for you, and blood doesn't mean squat.

Like, it's shown he has no connective emotions to Dragon, like at all. No love, hate or even neutral thoughts.

[dim cloak]

Seeing the little we've seen of Dragon, I heavily doubt he'd intrude with Luffy's decision on how to live his own life. If he wanted Luffy to become strong to aid him, he would've taken his own son with him on the revolutionary army.

Neither Dragon or Luffy seem to care about familial bonds all that much. And even if Dragon does, he doesn't seem like the type of guy who would share those sentiments to others (like Ivankov explains.

[fathom matrix]

It may be Dragon cares in a sense of he's his son and does feel a slight bit of obligation as a parent, BUT not so much so, he's willing to say he loves his son or go out of his way to check on him.

He did save him, but more so he likely just HAPPENED to be there

More so like you said, there's sentiments, but nothing super strong. Luffy just doesn't care

[glass loom]

What intrigues me is this...what was dragon doing in loguetown in first place

[dim cloak]

Loguetown is a town of passing. It makes sense he's right in a town where a lot of people meet and where people enter and leave the Grand Line.

Maybe he was coming from or going back to the Grand Line for some business of the revolutionary army. After all, they're an organization that expands across the whole world.

[fathom matrix]

It could have been MAYBE he heard Luffy was there and wanted to check him from a distance.

BUT I'm sure Dragon was just in the area, heard Luffy was around and thought "eh, why not"

Although imagine Luffy and Dragon meeting

Dragon might get irritated by Luffy acting irrational, eating food/rations, acting silly and being too arrogant at times, and Luffy shouting back "SHUT UP, IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE MY DAD"

[glass loom]

I doubt dragon would care that much to go all the way to loguetown, if he took the trouble of doing that then at the very least he'd approach him and have a small Convo with him, not just watch from the shadows

[dusk robin]

DARK luffy will show up at the end of one piece and is ACTUALLY the REAL OG luffy who was sent to dark pirate world by the REAL DARK LUFFY (who is the luffy we know and love heart ) and finally came back to take revenge....but all that time in dark pirate world has made normal luffy ACTUALLY EVIL HE WANTS REVENGE!!! and the og DARK LUFFY (our luffy) has spent so much time with his friends that he actually has become good and he (DARK luffy) must FIGHT DARK LUFFY (OG luffy who became evil) and its ironic because dark luffy is fighting the ACTUAL dark luffy who is not actually good

[sonic lake]

my brother said that before Roger got executed, he gave his treasures to a couple of cities. so what if dragon got the egg in the oro jackson and thats why he got his mark on his eye?

i cant post some picture but when roger was going to be excecuted he was there watching but he still has no mark on his eyes.

[weak arrow]

What is the connection between the egg and the marks on his face? And roger didn’t really give out anything I don’t think.

[sonic lake]

um it may be dragon that caused it?

look at his scar. does it look like a human can do that

[weak arrow]

It looks like a tattoo to me, so yes

[sonic lake]

tattoo?

[weak arrow]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/onepiece/images/5/52/Monkey_D._Dragon_Manga_Infobox.png/revision/latest?cb=20220723161201

Just to show tattoos like that, do exist.

[sonic lake]

[weak arrow]

Posting emotes is not furthering discussion.

[fathom matrix]

OOOOH, maybe Dragon went to study potential WG/VC information at Skypeia

[chrome moth]

Since there is a Blackbeard, could there also be a Captain Hook or sinbad?

[hoary hatch]

Interesting comparison between Dragon and Yassop. Both absent fathers with a son in the SH crew. Both mainly shown as serious characters (Dragon even moreso) but we recently saw Yassop panicking because he wasn't ready to meet his son. The closest we have seen of Dragon showing emotion (unless I am forgetting something) was when Ivankov guessed that he has family in East Blue. What I am getting to is, are we finally going to see Dragon flustered and emotional, if the series eventually shows Dragon meeting Luffy (and acknowledging that he is his father) or will Dragon remain as always being the cool mysterious character? As it is, we have spent more than 20 years with the Rebels being in the background group that only occasionally shows up, moreso recently with Sabo being in the story... If Oda plans to show a climax to their storyline, it has to happen soonish.

[hollow brook]

Dragon already met luffy at least in lounge town and showed his emotions because he doesn't wanted smoker to kill him and so he stopped him from doing so. Dragon cares for luffy in his own way but he keeps his distance so luffy can go his own way and isn't involved in some RA shit by default I guess

Also the RA only appears occasionally since they aren't that important for the straw hats journey. They focus on liberating countries from the WG and have no serious business with luffy until impel down. At some point I wish for garp dragon and luffy to stay side by side and have a family talk but that will most likely not happen.

[dim cloak]

Isn't Crocodile the Captain Hook?

[hoary hatch]

Doing a thing for what might be (but not proven to be) an emotional reason, is not what I meant by "showing emotion." I meant breaking their stoic appearance. Laugh, cry, shiver in fear or excitement. Something more than just standing and trying to actively look cool.

[plucky kiln]

Thoughts about the Will of D. and the relation among them:

God Valley, A literal Storm of D., Three representatives battling each other. World Domination, Freedom and Justice colliding with each other.

I think the introduction of Teach and Xebec changed all of our views on those who wear a D.

In the series the people of D. got called people who appear in the world and cause inbalance. Or those who wear the Will of D. indicating that there is a common interest.

The Members of D. being the Sworn Enemies of God was a pretty deep thing to hear from Corazon. Although they are so different, each shines on their own. Its like the D. are "Revolution and Resistance" in person.

"The world awaits our answer"

Dragon, being the rebellion in person said that and respected Luffys decision to become a pirate. Piracy in a world like this after all is a form of resistance and freedom too.

Garp, someone who never was caught speaking bad about Dragon and Saul, Marines, showed traits of this resistance too. Although their decision was to work on justice but the way both of them did it was special for marines. Garp might still be a Vice Admiral, but his status and importance in the marine has gotten so powerful that the CDs cant afford to get rid of him. Garp, someone who embodies justice shines as a D. too.

What was interesting about God Valley though was how it stood in contrary about Corazons statement. That clash of D. seems to be wasted.

Luffy and Blackbeard have different methods too. This time things might go a different way. Another Storm of D. would be incomplete without Blackbeard. After all their common enemy from history would be the Celestial Dragons (not that Luffy would care about that history)

Luffy and Blackbeard should fight on their own, but both of them fighting together against the Celestials, with of course the other living D.s would really be poetic, because in the end all of these different ideals would come together to kick gods ass

[dim cloak]

I don't think it's "him looking cool". Dragon realizes than a leader must be dependable and have certain qualities that he decides to exhibit like he does.

He thinks that a figure of authority must balance their kindness and power and work tirelessly to make things go alright in the end, which is kinda fucked up cuz it's the exact opposite in the same spectrum of what he hates.

Re-reading One Piece, people emphasize that tyranical rulers are better than ones that are kinder or over-emotional cuz they think that, realistically a king must be strong to defend his country if necessary or rule over others as a superior and deserving of everything they want. It happened in Drum Island, Skypea and so on. In a way, Dragon is trying to do the same, coupled with what he believes to be being a kind leader who cares for their people, without showing weakness.

It's actually really interesting how Dragon kind of just runs the opposite direction in the same spectrum, considering he hates tyrannical rulers.

[pure raven]

I have a theory about rocks being a lunarian

[primal cargo]

So before the chapter drops I want to write down my final thoughts on Yamato.
There's no question for me that they are leaving Wano ; the question is whether or not they are joining the Strawhat crew.

First, in either case, what doesn't change is the following. I believe Yamato is about to start a journey of self-discovery. During their life on Onigashima, they have been unable to learn who they are, and they have been living under the shadow of the two influential figures of Kaido and Oden. Their current persona is a mix of these two figures, as can be seen in their outfit and fighting style. Yamato adopted an "I am Oden" persona as a result of hating Kaido and having Oden as the only other perspective.
We do know who Yamato is at heart : their desire to go out to sea, their determination to liberate Wano, their admiration for Luffy were all genuine. What we have yet to see is what that person looks like as a whole. Put differently, the Yamato we currently know is a projection of the "true" Yamato onto the plane of their very incomplete experience of life and the world.

Leaving Wano means breaking free from this isolated frame and finally getting to discover (or forge) the person Yamato.
That means, if Yamato joins the Strawhat crew, they will do so while having most of their character arc ahead of them. Unlike most other crew additions, where the newcomer was either an already complete character or just coming out of an arc focused on them. In that way, Yamato will be most similar to Nami and Robin in their respective times. Yamato will gradually change and evolve as they discover the world with the Strawhats.
Now while I don't think it's impossible by any means that this is how it goes, I personally feel better about the second option : Yamato leaves alone.

Let's address the Oden parallel : if Oden was a part of the Pirate King's crew, then Yamato ought to do the same. I actually really disagree with this. It's true that Yamato admires Oden and wants to live "like him". But how literally we take this idea is the difference between living like Oden and just dumbly impersonating him.
Oden's will was above all to simply be free, and he achieved it by getting out of Wano. He really wanted to be on Whiteboards ship, but he did let go of the chain to go save Toki in the end, and he was absolutely fine with it. Oden's view of freedom, that Yamato no doubt adheres to, does not require at all for them to board a particular ship. Yamato has never once talked about joining Luffy's crew without also mentioning Oden. It's not their deepest desire in the same way that leaving to see the world is. If you ask me, it's more fitting and more powerful if Yamato gets their own adventure, "breaking free" from the strict Oden parallel while actually reinforcing the truly important part of Oden's legacy.
Of course Yamato will be free all the same if they join the crew. But I think this would be a good way to show what it means for Yamato to follow after Oden, conceptually rather than literally.

The reason I'm not 100% confident at this moment is because we do probably need a new crew member right now. Since Yamato teased us about joining the crew for a million chapters, we the audience are expecting a new member. All the more at the end of the huge Wano arc. So if Yamato doesn't join, we need somebody else.
The hot candidate is Carrot and although I like the idea of her showing away again, I can't say the same for her joining the crew. Tama is looking pretty dead, though we could see something happen with Speed about to be released from the Kibi Dango.

I don't have a sound answer to the question of who's joining, but I don't think it invalidates my view. The author can make anything happen, and after all, the Arabasta arc did end with 3 chapters of Vivi considering becoming a pirate, only for her to decline and the completely unexpectable Nico Robin to fill in.
Keep in mind that Oda can make anything work. Whether or not Yamato joins, that event will take place in a way that will feel right and good and powerful, because that's what this author does.

Anyway that's most of why I would bet on Yamato not joining. I see them leaving on their own, possibly after trying and failing to get on board the Sunny ; and come back around later, with new looks, new experiences, and a pirate crew. Maybe put a cover story on that.

[raw path]

Ok, so I have this feeling luffys fruit has another level I know when he transformed into gear 5 the five elders said the awakening can make the user make its surroundings rubber but as stated in chapter 1053.3 zoan types don’t affect their surroundings they get a new transformation and luffy just transformed into his first form (gear 5) so like it’s dumb but he didn’t awaken his fruit rather just found out his powers & transformed and he still has yet to awaken (I know in chapter 1044 they said when it’s awakened blah blah and luffy actually did that but still I have a feeling there’s more to his fruit)

[short chasm]

https://youtu.be/AiwBd9cnFyE?t=189 source: episode 869
manga has a few parts of this but it doesn't reference the "hiding presence".

Possible foreshadowing to Shanks' ability to control his own presence and prevent others from seeing the future?

The episode itself is based on ch 894 and it makes no mention of "hiding presence" so, not sure how much this theory can hold.

[pure raven]

It’s prob not gonna make sense but what’s the theory

[gaunt basin]

what are some theories on Zoros left eye?

also am I missing something but did they explain yet what the grim reaper was that zoro saw

[weak arrow]

There are no good theories on it. Unless you mean what happened. Maybe he did it to limit himself or maybe he got injured fighting Mihawk during timeskip. As for the grim reaper stuff, we don’t know exactly what it was. Maybe its enma related. Maybe it’s mink medicine related. Maybe we’ll never see it again.

[pure raven]

After reading chapter 1044 it makes sense

On the fishman island neptune said that the boat could not be moved until joyboy comesback, but when luffy came he needed to move it. Oda foreshadowed luffy being joyboy

[dim cloak]

No, but as people have inquired, it might be the given form of Emma, considered Emma-O is a deity of death in budhism.

After all, you can't get anymore "God of Death" than the Grim Reaper itself.

It is implied by Roger's Voice of All Things working for him to understand the Fishman Island's Phoneglyph's voice that inanimate objects kinda have some kind of small sentience. It might be just Emma manifesting itself to Zoro, as a sign. Maybe that means it acknowledged him as it's new master or it's "threatening" Zoro, implying it does not recognize him still and remains unruly after battle.

As it is the case with most of Zoro's moves, that's just visual flare of how his aura feels manifesting when he attacks.

Like with most of his sword moves.

[dim cloak]

So... I have a theory...

Enel says that his objective is to reach "Endless Varse" which is basically the word Skypeans use for soil, ground.

"There's a place I must return to."

"On the island where I was born, people believe the Kami resides there. They call it Endless Varse."

"The land there stretches as far as the eye can see."

Is it possible that Endless Varse was created? A place where land stretches out seemingly indifinetely seems pretty unnatural, specially considering the world below is basically all sea.

I think that, as others have theorized, this is just another point to Uranus being a weapon that can create landmass by some unknown motive. This would explain both why Endless Varse exists and why places like Wano have been modified by adding a layer of landmass around it to cover the secrets of their ancient civilization.

[upbeat vector]

To this day uranus being somewau to get to the moon seems the most plausible tbh

[vale current]

I like this theory. Something that I found and is interesting is that Pluton in geology is a phenomenon related to magma. Magma is revealed beneath Wano, like Pluton is revealed beneath Wano.

So for this theory like, Pluton is a machine capable of manipulating earth's magma?

Magma as in for the formation/creation of rocks/soil

[dim cloak]

I was moreso specifically talking about Uranus, specifically because of Enel's heritage. He knows about it because it was common belief in the sky island he was born and grew in and he apparently knew where it was and was going to reach it with the Ark Maxim, which is a flying airship.

If it was Pluton the one that made Endless Varse, it wouldn't make sense it was Pluton the one that made Endless Varse but Uranus. In fact, I have a feeling that Endless Varse may be made of island cloud and it's above the heavens. Given that, we should suspect Uranus' true nature is some kind of cloud generator, maybe even something related to dials, which we know are native to Sky Islands but know little else about them. Maybe some kind of multi-tool dial superweapon?

[clever lintel]

So an idea I think about is Elbaf consisting of 9 islands, 9 realms. Perhaps Barto was attacking Midgard, where humans live, given the architecture and fashion design looking Scandinavian.

[dim cloak]

But we saw in the cover story that he wasn't in Elbaf at all, the residents were human and they were scared of him.

[clever lintel]

Elbaf consisting of multiple islands with different races living in them. Elbaf can consist of more than just giants.

[dim cloak]

Seeing how prideful Giants are and how different they feel about themselves agains regular humans, I highly doubt Giants would share their territory with humans.

While Dorry and Broggy were good-natured, they were pretty arrogant about their own strenght against regular humans and how they're different because of their beliefs.

Also considering the giants seem to be based on vikings, which were pretty unapologetically ruthless and greedy, which fits with the descriptions we've had for the Giant Pirates, I'd say there's no chance there's regular humans living in Elbaf as a community.

As shown with BM's flashback, there may be a handful of humans that live in the island, not in the village of giants that they may accept there due to contributions they make for their benefit and shit, but a full-on civilization of humans? Big doubt.

I do like the correlation with the 9 realms, though. I hope that one is true or, at least, there's more than 1 giant community/island that exists and Elbaf is just the more prominent one that particularly beliefs in the God of War.

[modest skiff]

I think this is good logic and I agree with a lot of it. If Yamato is to truly live like Oden, it should mean exploring the world with a "clean slate" rather than with any existing partnerships or as a member of a crew. Right now I feel like the most likely situation is that Yamato sets sail at the same time as Luffy, then some event happens such that she either saves them or they save her and she officially joins rather quickly, either almost immediately or during the next arc.

That being said, I am not convinced she will necessarily live exactly like Oden. Despite trying to live like Oden, she had already declared she is joining Luffy. I don't think that detail was foreign to her. But she did spend time pondering what to do in her thinking place, so I don't think it is as straight forward as no thought whatsoever joining.

I am very curious who will join. I still think Tama is possible. Yamato feels likely, but it all depends on how strictly she wants to mirror Oden's journey. I think Yamato is still their own person

I'd like to also quickly drop a couple recent thoughts I have had:

1. Conq Haki and The Sea

The response Fodder Bull had to Shanks' 10 km haki blast felt very similar to what happens when a devil fruit user is in the ocean. This got me thinking about all the lore around the ocean and how there appear to be hints, even vaguely, that it itself has a spirit/soul/will. What I am beginning to wonder is the extent of that and how it might relate to conq haki as a whole. If conq haki disabling people is essentially overwhelming them with the user's will, what exactly is happening to a devil fruit user? Does the ocean have this same influence?

Then I got to thinking about the phrase "conquer the sea" and "king of the pirates" and how it relates to "Conqueror's haki" and "color of the supreme king". Could it be that Conqueror haki's ultimate capability relates to the sea? I think it does. To cut right to the chase, I think someone with strongly developed conq haki can coat their bodies in conq haki and avoid the stun effect when a devil fruit user is in the sea. I think this allows for a devil fruit user to push back the will of the ocean, which somehow is tied to the will/spirit of a devil fruit.

2. Pluton Travels Underground

One of the big questions that I have discussed with @ashen surge and @primal cargo is the idea that Pluton apparently requires a duplicate of itself in order to ever be stopped. That is hard to conceptualize and not a lot of qualities make sense in that regard. So the question is what would cause that. The 2 things that come to mind are:

1. Pluton can fly, so standard ships can't touch it

2. Pluton travels through the sea floor, so standard ships can't touch it

Based on it apparently being under Wano, I think it is safe to say that (2) is the answer here. I think Pluton is responsible for the knock up steam, the giant whirlpool in enies lobby and the big swath of whirlpools around Wano. I think Pluton is able to create under sea volcanic eruptions which are able to shoot islands into the white sea, or just destroy the island all together. I think Pluton can be used for transportation into the White Sea or destruction at the will of the user of the ship. I think it can operate with some level of precision to do either one. I. think this quality is similar to Poseidon where her power is not purely destructive. I think the same will also be true for Uranus.

In this way, Pluton can also be used to grow islands, create walls (like Wano's) and even the Red Line itself. The key is that Pluton is not manually constructing buildings/objects, but it is precisely controlling volcanic eruptions under the sea to form new structures or send stuff into the sky. In this way, Pluton is not purely a weapon, it is untouchable unless something else is under the sea floor, it built the structure that protects Wano, and it also built the Red Line.

[ashen surge]

I'm pretty sure it's just a faulty rationale that Tom bought at face value and passed it down to Iceburg and Franky. No one else has really said that you actually need an equal instrument to take it down. At this point, Pluton is basically Death Star in my head and it will be taken down like Death Star was taken down.

But yeah, I'm on the Pluton travels underground bandwagon and when it's awakened, Franky will be the one to take it down. General Franky even has the drill to go underground:

[vale current]

Yes. Like, the red line or the earth portion in OP is so weird, like it's been made up intentionally. The implication that it "carries the name of a god" meaning its power to create things

[upbeat vector]

A big theory for a while has been that franky modeled the sunny after pluton if it has something to do with magma it would be its power source so maybe franky replaced the magma aspect of it with cola??

[vale current]

But the cola just for the style of magma or to serve as a literal power source?

[modest skiff]

Magma and water combining to make steam ends up being the power source? I think that would make a ton of sense.

[torpid mist]

theory: Shanks' scar was not caused by Blackbeard's claw weapon. it was BBs teeth https://i.imgur.com/N3NK8FO.png . In other words, Blackbeard bit shanks in the eye.

[upbeat vector]

im crying

[mossy oyster]

I think it goes like this, god valley's purpose was to be the residential island for all Celestial Dragons, after the Rocks incident the world government was forced to relocate them because of the huge breach of security that happened and then always had the risk of repeating if they stayed there. So they wiped out the Lunarians staying on top of the red line and set up the base there.

They buster called the whole island once it was empty on the order of the Celestial Dragons because they didn't want pirates or commoners to settle on an island where they had once resided.

[sacred valley]

I feel like that has some merit - I always wondered how Rocks knew there mightve been many valuable DF on the island as well like, he HAD to have know.

Garps almost inevitable conq haki is what im most curious about - like maybe its a stretch to say he couldve gone toe to toe with Roger, but Roger basically giving Garp all the credit in them surviving days a lot. Garps part in that is what i want to know most

[pure raven]

Tbh I think enma consumed a df, a zoan one, and that "grim reaper" is enma

[stark zenith]

Guys i rewatch the anime again and i saw in episode 511 20:12 bege being sucked by mysterious island is there any theory what the hell happened to him there?

[past swallow]

one piece ending: the sh pirates destroy the grand line and create the all blue

[stark zenith]

and because of this I'm thinking of maybe shiki or its just a island that has a magnet?

[pure raven]

Is yamato not coming with straw hats?

[pure raven]

whats the fuss about luffy’s mom appearing?

[maiden jay]

Saw a funny theory where the way Enel comes back is Fujitora using his power and accidentally bringing him down, like he brings down a meteor or his ship and Enel appears like “WHO DARES SUMMON ME”

[opaque breach]

so who else thinks yamato is gonna find ivankov and become a dude?

[maiden jay]

I think Yamato has better luck finding Ivankov compared to finding who tf asked her to join the crew

[dim cloak]

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[supple haven]

What you think ppl will Katakuri gets some role in Final Saga

[pure raven]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkGGLDB9r-s&t my theory is half confirmed next chapter vivi joins mark my words

[lethal sparrow]

Shanks was also saying it's the scar that he can't forget the most, dude must have been traumatized by that bite.

[primal cargo]

A lot of things need to go right still for this theory to happen, Yamato not joining was the easy part

[pure raven]

vivi disappearing was another one though, and the revos successfully freeing kuma

[primal cargo]

Yeah
We still need them to come to us (provided they're together), Kuma to die AND the fruit to reappear in a tangerine. And then still Vivi has to be the one to eat it

I mean Vivi can join without eating the Nikyu Nikyu. It's not like it's the only way to fulfill the goroawase thing

[pure raven]

the thing is: now that yamato doesn't join it's basically guaranteed that vivi will, and if she joins she is bound to get a powerup somehow, and the most logical one is the fruit, and the most logical place for the fruit are the tangerines

[pure raven]

how though, she would be completely useless without a fruit

[primal cargo]

Well yeah if we consider these two huge leaps to be the truth it makes sense

I feel like you're countering your own argument. It's impossible that she joins unless she gets a powerup, but also it's impossible that she doesn't join ? We're being a bit hasty here

[pure raven]

no, the thing that is certain is that she'll join (because they said so). Once we know this, it's clear she has to eat the fruit, oda acknowledged that kuma's fruit has to be eaten by one of the crew basically. It's either that or kuma joins outright, but he is dying not joining obviously

like, "when we see each other you'll call me crewmate" implies that they will see each other, it's oda speaking through the characters there telling us what'll happen

mind you she could get any powerup once she joins I just think given all that we know kuma's fruit is the most logical. She has to get one though cause she's just too weak right now

note I think she'll fight avalo pizarro in the end

[primal cargo]

Ngl I disagree with both parts
They agreed that they would still see her as a crewmate when they meet again, that doesn't mean she will become a member of the crew does it ?
But yeah most importantly there's no requirement for Vivi to become strong. She can join as is. Buggy wasn't strong when he was on the Pirate King's ship. Even if you really want Vivi to be having fights, the Nikyu Nikyu isn't needed for that. There can be any number of ways for Vivi to be relevant. Personally I don't think it's needed that she has New World level fights. Doesn't feel like her if you ask me

[pure raven]

if they see her as a crewmate that literally means she'll join. It also means that right now they don't see her as a member of the crew, because they haven't seen each other yet

[primal cargo]

I don't dislike the theory or anything just to be clear, it's certainly one way things can go

[pure raven]

yeah I know luffy would let her join anyway, I'm saying that practically speaking we know she'll fight one of BB's commanders at the end if she joins, and there's no way she's doing that the way she is now. Luffy has 10 crewmates and BB has 10 commanders, it's basically a given that we're gonna have a bunch of 1v1s

[primal cargo]

It only means that if 1) she wants to become a pirate and 2) they meet early enough in the story that there's time for Vivi to develop as a crewmate, by that I mean they might only meet after the final war has been won or something

[pure raven]

the problem with that is that luffy said he wants 10 crewmates and BB has 10 captains, if luffy gets to BB he has to have 10 members. And if vivi joins afterwards, luffy would have been wrong in saying "10 members", which makes me think vivi will simply be in the crew when they fight BB

otherwise luffy would have to fight BB with only 9 crewmates, which is awkward in more than one way

[primal cargo]

Unless someone else joins the crew. Also possible one of the Titanic captains doesn't participate in the clash with the Strawhats for whatever reason. Imagine it's Kuzan and he turns against them for example

[pure raven]

nah kuzan isn't one of the 10 captains. The 10th captain is urouge imo, cause every supernova ended up siding with either yonko, revos and marines, so I think bonney will be with the revos and urouge will be the 10th. He also fits the tough look that all BB's characters have like oda wants. Kuzan is simply independent, I doubt he's gonna be a bad guy in the end

[primal cargo]

Now that I think about it Kaido had 3 all stars and the tobiroppo to match Luffy's 9 crew mates and yet we didn't have perfect matchups

[pure raven]

and if someone else joins the crew, as I said, luffy would end up having 11 crewmates instead of 10 like he said he wanted

[primal cargo]

No, I was talking about the possibility that Vivi does not join the crew because they don't meet until late in the story. So the "someone else" would be the 10th member. Also Luffy's statement in chapter 2 doesn't dictate that he will have exactly 10 crewmates

[pure raven]

yeah but this wasn't the final arc, I think it'll be a bit more cleanly planned out for the end. Like we won't have drake switching sides or another yonko beating up one of BB's members. I think every member will have a 1v1 because if they don't a lot of people would complain lmao. and no, luffy's statement does mean he wants exactly 10, you just have to get the japanese which just says "10"

[primal cargo]

Why not ? Those are things that make a battle more interesting.

[pure raven]

it's not more interesting if a character doesn't get a fight. You can do it before the manga ends but in the finale everyone has to have a finale of their own I think. Otherwise they'd be eternally damned to not have had a final big fight

[pure raven]

and again that'd mean luffy's statement would be wrong, cause he would still end up with more than 10.

[primal cargo]

Maybe, though that doesn't in and of itself mean that we will see matchups of every Strawhat Vs one Titanic captain.
As for the chapter 2 statement it is not to be taken literally as it happened in chapter 2. The author does not restrain himself to a certain idea because of something he wrote 1000 chapters ago.
I'm just trying to show that this 10 man structure is not set in stone and shouldn't be taken as fact. I too thought I could predict One Piece with facts and logic, but it often doesn't work that way

[pure raven]

I would agree with the second statement if only oda didn't then decide that teach also would have 10 titanic captains. The fact that he chose exactly 10 captains makes me think he stuck to his old decision of 10 members

[primal cargo]

Yeah I see it. But you never know, he might have set that expectation in us just to subvert it when the clash with BB does happen. Or he could just change his mind.
For all we know other characters could take some of the titanics, it's what happened to Jack already. I for one hope for a battle between more than two factions

[coarse gorge]

Rumble ball gets into bad guys hands , bad guy goes demon mode

[dim cloak]

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[young dust]

Uranus is the strongest of the ancient weapons (king of the sky's and is usually king of the gods) and is the one piece and is going to be used along with the other two by Luffy to destroy the red line, shanks role is to guide Luffy to all of this and ensure he becomes joy boy which him and Roger learned about on laughtale

[regal raptor]

Theory about "Man with burn mark".

The man with burn mark is none other than, JAGUAR D. SAUL.

We all know when Oda killing someone, he make sure that readers will see it's death. As we know, we didn't see Saul death, it's like how Sabo death happens, we didn't see the dead body and it turns out he is alive.

How he is alive, is because Aokiji used weird skill that time, " Ice Time Capsule", from it's name "Time Capsule", might mean that it will melt on its own.

About the burn mark, we all know if you've been freeze for a long time, you might get burn with too much cold. Also that time the island is burning.

How did he escaped? It's the same how robin escaped, Aokiji hide him when the buster call ongoing.

Aokiji let robin think that Saul is dead so she won't try to find him, when he let robin escape, also to hide him from the WG.

How he will be connect in the story, aside from he might know something about how to get in laughtale, know one piece or poneglyph. Saul also connected to the next major island strawhats will visit. None other than, "ELBAF". Saul is a giant race, which it connects to elbaf, he might be hiding there after the incident, that's why WG and marines didn't know that he is alive.

From 1056, Oda hinted us already. When Kidd talking about that man with burn mark, Oda showed robin on that panel while only 3 captains are talking to each other.

Btw, the burn mark on japanese translation is like implying to some thing weird. It might means that the burn mark is something weird.

[brave nebula]

Bruh

[hollow palm]

agreed

[pure raven]

calling it now, carrot is in a crate, with the intention of joining the strawhats, but by accident she will end up in kidd's or law's ship. Oda will bait us next chapter with a crate opening in the sunny but it will be caribou, then we will eventually see carrot on another ship

[pure raven]

sogeking is usopps disciple 🤯

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[pure raven]

ok

[pure raven]

no fun allowed

[pure raven]

sad

[pure raven]

the weird thing about this is that if you're talking about a giant, the first thing I'd say is "the giant", not "the man with the burn scar", at the very least I'd say "the giant with the burn scar", but if I'm talking about a giant I'd 100% say "giant", not "man". Otherwise I'm tempted to agree. But the robin panel could also mean that the man with the burn scar is aokiji or sabo, since they both have a connection to her and have a burn scar. I'm more leaning towards aokiji though. Also, why would robin react, she doesn't know that saul has a burn scar, unless she has met him during the time skip (which would explain why she wasn't that surprised to see him against black maria tbh, she does cry though), and aokiji too she shouldn't know that he has a burn scar. So that leaves only sabo, but that doesn't convince me at all since sabo doesn't really have any connection to poneglyphs that we know of

personally I think that it's very likely that the people in ohara survived and were saved by dragon, but if it were related to the revos then sabo would also know a bunch of shit, and they wouldn't allow people from ohara to roam around unprotected, even saul

(there's an old theory about dragon saving saul etc)

[regal raptor]

No, the react of robin is not about daul, just oda hinting us..also about man, 男 is male, it can be giant or anything. You can also consider that, kidd don't know about that man with burn scar, so he won't be sure if it's a giant or not.

[pure raven]

yeah okay but still, even if they have vague info on the man marked by flames, if info reaches you about a giant first and foremost the info should be that the guy is a fucking giant not that he's marked by flames

[regal raptor]

The kidd message is just a hint he got from other people, that's why he said they got no leads, they don't know exactly what they searching so, it might be a giant too. Saul also is not that big based on robin past. He might be big as whitebeard.

Not all big human in one piece are giant. Like big mom and kaido they are not giant but big.

[pure raven]

no lol saul is as big as other giants

and certainly way bigger than whitebeard lol

[pure raven]

and if you were to inform someone of a dude being marked by flames you wouldn't inform them first that it's a giant? i'm sorry but it doesn't make sense

[regal raptor]

I checked the info yep he is big. It's just the drawing inconsistent.

[pure raven]

that's the anime bruh

[regal raptor]

No. Maybe because no one knows/saw the man with burn mark at all so, only in gossip ?

[regal raptor]

Yep, I saw one good ratio.

[pure raven]

you don't get it, even if there is gossip about a man marked by flames it's impossible that the guy is more famous for being marked by flames than for being a giant. How on earth would that gossip spread? why would it be relevant that he's marked by flames when he's a giant, nobody would even think of spreading a rumor about that

[regal raptor]

We don't know yet where did kid got the info.

Man with burn mark won't be aokiji or sabo, why would they say, man with burn mark while they can say, former admiral or 2nd commander, those two are famous. Why use man with burn mark?

[pure raven]

because if it's a rumor it might come from people who don't know who sabo or aokiji are (especially considering that aokiji doesn't dress like a marine anymore). Remember that initially the crew didn't even know who the admirals were, so it might not be easy for a person to say "ex admiral", they might recognize him just for his physical appearence. Same thing for sabo, he started being famous just recently, before that he would only be a random dude with a burn scar for the average person

the thing that makes me like the idea of saul though is that he's not someone who we expect, meanwhile aokiji and sabo are so obvious that it wouldn't even make sense for it to be a surprise

[nocturne leaf]

Well kid never said man with burned mark he said man with marked flames which isnt saul
But the one and only monkey D. Dragon

He has a tattoo that looks like flames

[regal raptor]

Not really. 火の傷 is not a tattoo. 傷 is a scar, it can be translated to burn scar or scar that look like flame. Tho it could be dragon too, his left face got scar that look like flame too.

[regal raptor]

We don't know yet if kid got it from rumors. As beast sais, it could be dragon too. I think it more refers to dragon than sabo or aokiji, if I would pick to those three.

[pale spire]

my theorie is that the cgi character will defeat the other cgi character at a cgi location

[dim cloak]

If it was anyone related to Luffy, they would surely tell him instead of other stupid pirate crews they don't have attachments to.

It also doesn't make sense that the man marked in flames is with the revolutionaries at all or with another pirate crew, as revos wouldn't care about pirate things and other pirates wouldn't share their leads off in the race if they had a hunch.

Saul can kinda make sense with the Ice Time Capsule, but... The island dissapeared from the map and I doubt they would've stopped before making sure the island was gone, along with any trace. If Saul was there and was alive still for some reason, he would've been destroyed along with the island or wouldn't had been able to hide amidst the destruction to swim to another island.

That's also on the assumption that he is alive. I would be a cop-out if Robin was branded a criminal and persecuted her whole life and Saul, who was alive, didn't try and reunite with her at all during any of that period of time.

My guess still is a former fishman pirate (marked by flames, mark of the sun, makes sense) OR a character from the underworld we have never seen used to explore how the scene works.

Neither of them being a character we've known before, since Luffy or Robin knew them.

[slate mirage]

I don't know why Dragon and Sabo keep getting mentioned, when it's obviously not them

[glass nimbus]

gear 6

we've seen luffy use haki and make his "Gears" and that carried him up to pre-yonko level, with his devil fruit awakening commonly dubbed as "gear 5" achieving yonko level strength - defeating the worlds strongest creature, however kaido was the strongest to everyone he has fought or that he knew were not stronger than him meaning that luffy has still got to become more powerful

i would say that there is a gear 6 where luffy implements a hybrid form of his newly founded zoan powers and combines them with his gear abilities to make a sun-god dawn bringer mode (gear 6)

[radiant crown]

I don't think that's going to be gear 6 based on film red, can't say anymore without going into spoiler territory

[glad mantle]

Guys i don't understand why im pointed a sword on shirahoshi's , luffy's and BB's pictures but not included Vivi ?

[hasty igloo]

Then who would it be?

[slate mirage]

I'm not Oda, so I don't know. I kinda want Vegapunk to be related to Kidd, but I don't know if he would be the man marked by flames.

[pure raven]

Vivi and her dad didn’t join the rest of the nobles so it makes sense why she has beef. And shirahosi is related to the void century and is a weapon

[dim cloak]

My guess still is a former fishman pirate (marked by flames, mark of the sun, makes sense) OR a character from the underworld we have never seen used to explore how the scene works.

Neither of them being a character we've known before, since Luffy or Robin knew them.

[glass loom]

I honestly don't think any of the popular picks (sabo,aokiji,dragon) is the man marked by flames because they are all pretty well known in the world so there's no reason to call them by such a weird monicker, it's either an entirely new character or someone from the past presumed to be dead.

Also sabo and dragon are revolutionaries it makes no sense for them to be interested in the one piece or poneglyphs at all, and I don't think aokiji has any clues about the one piece either considering he joined Blackbeard during the time skip, I can't see him getting any info considering he's not even trusted by his crew

[zinc iris]

the Revolutionaries absolutely are interested in phoneglyphs and the one piece considering how the WG is worried about them, but they would use them for the Revolutionary cause instead of sitting around and tell that to a random pirate

[glass loom]

Even still, I don't think they're realistic targets for Kidd to be interested in them, also the fact he's searching for leads really makes me think it isn't either of them considering sabo is on the newspaper literally in the same time frame

[glass loom]

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[regal raptor]

The hint is just burn scar or scar like flame. There so many people got burn scar so, I don't think oda will just make it so obvious character like sabo or aokiji for that. He write the hint in a tricky form.

[modest skiff]

You can make jokes in other channels. This channel and #manga-serious are strictly serious business. But #manga and #also-manga are great for that sorta thing

[nocturne leaf]

Dont zoan df user have 2 forms?

[modest skiff]

What do you mean 2 forms? Chopper has many

Yamato and Kaido just have their "hybrid" and default forms but that's all we got

[nocturne leaf]

No like kaido had 2 forms like the dragon form and the hybrid

[modest skiff]

Further evidence Chopper IS NOT just the vanilla Hito fruit

Chopper is still the only zoan we have known to have any more than 2 forms

[nocturne leaf]

So ig luffy will also have another form like other zoans

[modest skiff]

Hmmm good thought

Lets him turn into a giant without being a maniacal crazy person

[nocturne leaf]

Like we have only seen gear 5 and the other gears where not forms more like abilities

I mean zoan user atleast have 2 forms

[modest skiff]

Gear 4.5 > Gear 5? Maybe?

[trim crag]

That’s because rumble balls are literally performance enhancing drugs. Chopper has the normal 2 forms without them.

[fair escarp]

Doesn’t the old fisherman pirates mark have the sun flame? I wonder if there was a fisherman who was part of Roger’s crew.

[marble pulsar]

Came up with this theory in the morning. Let me know what you guys think.

One Piece Theory Spoilers

So in the recent chapter 1055 or 1056 Shanks tells Beckman that it is time to get the One Piece. This suggests two things:

1. Shanks knows what the One Piece is

2. Shanks knows where Laugh Tale is

This further leads me to believe that Shanks was waiting for Luffy to awaken his devil fruit to get the one piece. Because otherwise it does not make sense why he would wait all this time to get it. Unless the one piece can only be used when Joyboy has been awakened. This also makes sense because Roger wished that he were born in the same era as Joyboy.

As a side note, we know that there are three Ancient Weapons:

1. Pluton

2. Poseidon

3. Uranus

What if there weren't just three? What if the one piece is the fourth weapon? Or if not a weapon maybe a tool/key to utilize all three weapons which can only be wielded by Joyboy?

[snow herald]

My theory, caribu is hiding somewhere on Sunny and (I really don't like it) carrot is too.
They Will find one first then the other and it'll be a comedy scene.
I don't think caribu is stowing away with kidd, he'll probably kill him or something. Same with law.

[daring fossil]

Did something happen to the Female giants?

[dim cloak]

They've hanged out with Robin. If they were interested in them, they'd likely be interested in the Rio Phoneglyphs, which explains the Void Century history, rather than the red ones the pirates fawn over to get the coordinates.

The revos and pirates aren't friends, they would fight each other if provoked, so they have no reason to hide a phoneglyph from them and incite dangerous enemies to decimate them for it. So it makes no sense either Sabo or Dragon have anything to do with "the man marked by flames".

Unless Robin taught the revos how to read phoneglyphs so they can make their own research into the Rio ones and fuck the WG with insider hidden info as blackmail. But considering they directly attacked them, I don't think this guess is accurate. If they wanted to make them kneel by having confidential information, they wouldn't wage war in the first place against them and on their turf.

[dim cloak]

That is due to the Rumble Ball.

I still think that Chopper, Marco and Black Mariah hint that advance uses of Zoan Fruits rely on the user training or using special drugs to achieve partial body transformations where they just transform specific parts of their body, but last time I said this, people were like "But Marco's Zoan is awakened, that's why he looks different!!!1!11!" even though it makes no sense and it's not supported by the Awakened Zoans we have seen in the story.

I like my theory about the Hito fruit being a conduit Human fruit that includes long-arm/long-leg and giant transformations, but the partial transformation one makes more sense considering the other characters we've seen do it in the story.

[dim cloak]

Yeah, but Luffy ate a Hito Hito variant. A human can't transform into a human cuz they already are one.

Humans who eat Hito Hito variants work differently due to them already being the animal the fruit transforms you into, so it isn't farfetched to think that Luffy cannot transform to their God-like form until Awakening while an animal would've had it worked like Chopper's but with the added singularities of the deities or human figures in question (in Luffy's case, rubbery body).

[dim cloak]

Going by flashbacks, there is a fishman in their crew, but there wasn't any indication that they were either a former slave or sun Pirate to have gotten the Sun mark. Good guess though, I like it!

There was a corpse left for WhiteBeard. Besides, if he literally ate WhiteBeard, wouldn't people catch on on what he did instead of being confused? If he ate a part of WhiteBeard, wouldn't it show in WhiteBeard's corpse? Whether internal or external parts, there would be a sign that someone chipped off some body part.

All these theories of BlackBeard being a cannibal to have achieved another devil fruit defy the logic of everyone catching on to the fact if they just examined WhiteBeard's corpse, which they had time to do between them transporting both Ace's and WhiteBeard's corpses to bury them.

Besides, this also defies the fact that Big Mom didn't had any kind of DF ability until after everyone "died" in her birthday party. We assume he ate them all, but there were some kids that heavily ressemble CP0 agents in the present. Since we didn't saw what happened, it is more possible that BM ate and killed Mother Caramel this way and then, in her rampage or afterwards, the Soru Soru reincarnated and then she ate it. It makes no sense otherwise.

And I never thought I'd use this as an example, but Wapol's DF can eat people to fuse them, so if eating DF users grants you their powers, then Wapol would be the single most devastating power user in the One Piece Universe. This is also ignoring the fact that eating two Devil Fruits allegedly kills you because the Devils fight for dominance of the user's body and end up killing them. Which leads me to believe that BlackBeard being made of Darkness, means his body is bottomless like Caribou's and can house more than one DF devil without issue for them fighting for space, which is far more sensible than cannibalism netting you additional DF powers.

[hoary hatch]

Did Wapol really fuse people or did he just fuse their clothes and one guy was riding the other? Because Oda did the same joke with the three headed judge and I just assumed the same happened with the two Wapol lackeys.

[dim cloak]

They made the joke that it seemed like they were Piggyback riding, but no, apparently they were fused together.

[ornate olive]

I think that the islands r parts of moons bc the tides of the ocean r controlled by the moon so that would explain the crazy weather also the log posts lock onto the next mangnetic force with would be a moon bc the moon controls the tides with gravity also a compass only points to 1 magnetic force and in the grand line they needed a log post which only points to a island aka a magnetic force

[novel scroll]

I really hope this won't happened next chapter with Carrot. People will literally go apeshit if in the end it was Carrot all along...

[hot wedge]

yall i have a theory luffy gear 6 is coming out on film blue and its related to arlong being a fishman 🤯

[zinc iris]

no joke theories for shitposting

[dim cloak]

!theories

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[zinc iris]

he took it from the big hole in WB's chest, nobody gonna notice there

[dim cloak]

Again, the crew had enough time to perform an autopsy and notice.

Besides that, there's the end narration which explains in exact detail the number of wounds he recieved and from which weapons did he recieve them, so an autopsy was clearly made to determine the state of the corpse's wounds.

[zinc iris]

it's a massive wound caused by a magma fist, would be extremely hard to notice a piece was removed separately from the whole gash

btw big mom definitely got her powers from eating carmel, "the fruit randomly spawned nearby but was offscreened" is a lot of contrivance for it to be not shown

[dim cloak]

Again, despite the magma wound, the doctors were able to pinpoint the exact number of wounds and times he was hit by them.

If that's possible considering the state of the body, then it is totally possible for them noticing someone ate a part of him, whether internal or external.

[zinc iris]

the wounds were all external of that massive gash, counting them is also from the narrator

[dim cloak]

And about BM and Mother Caramel, we do not know what happened while she was on her apparent hunger pang. She ate the cake, then she had an episode and when she came back to, everyone dissapeared.

We know she didn't kill everyone cuz the CP0 agent that was killed by Izo ressembles one of BM kids, so there were survivors of this and while I still think she killed Mother Caramel by eating her during her hunger pangs, we do not know anything that happened during that black-outted part in BM's memory. It is certainly possible that, without someone to care for her, she found and ate the reincarnated Soru Soru. It makes as much sense.

[zinc iris]

it's a lot of omitted detail so it doesn't make exactly as much sense even if it's still technically possible it happened that way

[dim cloak]

I'm not going to continue amusing this conversation. You do you.

It still makes more sense BlackBeard used his body aided by his DF powers to house two devil fruits, considering he is bottomless than him having a bite.

[zinc iris]

well about BB's feat, there are two things to account for separately

1. how did he steal wb's power

2. how does he have two df powers at once

for the number 1, we know his crew also killed other people and stole their power for his mates, and burgess was about to do it in dressrosa to luffy while BB was absento, so whatever method they are using doesn't require BB's yami power

for the number 2, Marco mentions it's an anomaly with BB's body rather than an effect of the yami yami

[dim cloak]

I said I'm not amusing this conversation anymore.

[fervent quartz]

luffy will contract rogers disease

[pure raven]

btw roger was temporarily cured of his disease by cherry blossoms like hiriluk. This isn't a joke they both lived one year longer than the doctor told them they would live, also they both died by other causes so it's impossible to tell if they would've died otherwise (so maybe cherry blossoms actually are the panacea chopper is looking for). And roger was in a place that had cherry blossoms when talking to whitebeard, which is roughly a year before he died

[dim cloak]

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[zinc iris]

uh it seems to me roger's disease was something he had from the very beginning and chronic, maybe inborn and the cause of his choice to go adventuring at all?

[obtuse shore]

Theory: Wano will have 5 acts, going through all steps of the hero's journey in the "special world". The end of act 3 sets up the idea of needing to defend Wano again (return), with the borders needing to be opened, with an ancient weapon slumbering there etc. The aftermath has been set up at the end of act 3 and it will cause the return to Wano and the true climax to follow. Edit (clarification): I'm not saying that this happens as the next arc, there would be an "interlude".
Please see picture: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/752849254577471531/1010585013982605342/Screenshot_20220820-181939_Ecosia.jpg

[keen kelp]

Any guess as to what Pluton is

[modest skiff]

#manga-theories message my theory

[knotty sage]

My guess is it's in the hand of WG

Oh not pluton, Uranus i mean

[ornate olive]

I think that the islands r parts of moons bc the tides of the ocean r controlled by the moon so that would explain the crazy weather also the log posts lock onto the next mangnetic force with would be a moon bc the moon controls the tides with gravity also a compass only points to 1 magnetic force and in the grand line they needed a log post which only points to a island aka a magnetic force

[dense sparrow]

Can I post a theory about next chapter

[dense sparrow]

Carrot popped out after SH fell a great distance, they just fell a great distance after falling off the waterfall

[left elbow]

"The kurozumi family's grudge shall continue to curse this rotten land, generation after generation, for all eternity"

Chapter 1057 p.14

What did oda mean by the Kozuki family's grudge.
Was it their grudge against the Orochi family or is it something we
don't know about yet?

Thanks in advance

[dim cloak]

Isn't it clear that Orochi was trying to imply that his grudge will not die and that history will repeat itself at some point?

[left elbow]

Yes but why did he call it the Kozuki family's grudge instead of the Orochi family's grudge.

[dim cloak]

*Kurozumi, and because that's his surname?

Like, the Kurozumi family was persecuted before Orochi rose to power for trying to poison the Daimyos, his sole reason to make Wano a wasteland weapon factory is because he wanted to destroy the land that besmirched and rejected his family.

It's not his curse, it's the curse of his ancestors and his sympathizers (Kanjuro). So why should it bear his name alone?

[left elbow]

Shit I kinda confused Kurozumi with Kozuki.
My bad

[pure raven]

i have agrudge luffy is gonna die while opening gear 6

[glass nimbus]

I like to think that he has 3 souls and each persons soul can inherit devil fruit abilities

[dapper cloak]

I think the last few crew members will join strawhats after luffy becomes king of the pirates. They will be like the shanks and buggy of the crew, fresh faced and full of potential. Then they will continue the legacy like shanks and buggy did with roger.

[prime hare]

Why would caribou hide on the sunny when Luffy said he'd let him leave with them??

[prime hare]

Apprentices then?

[dapper cloak]

Yeah!

[fleet scroll]

So shanks is a villain now? Bcs i am reading all kind of stuff..

[regal raptor]

Theory why Garp wants luffy to become marine instead of pirates because he wants to end the hate cycle happening in the current world. The hates of Celestial Dragon/Imu and D clan, cycle. That's why he wants luffy to become marine and change the marine inside instead fight them like dragon doing.

[trim crag]

The “cycle of hate” will never stop until the celestial dragons and their abuse is taken down

[regal raptor]

Yeah. Until luffy get the one piece and ends it.

[dim cloak]

So a friend of mine just pointed this out, but, Hiruluk said that upon seeing beautiful cherry blossom trees, his terminal illness seemed to recede and get better.

And she made the connection that the place where Hiruluk went to see those cherry blossoms may had been Wano, due to the whole symbolism of Ryuo being portrayed as and literally meaning flowing petals.

While that avenue wasn't explored in Wano, I think it's fair to say that Hiruluk saw them in here. My question now is how he got there and I think he did with a pirate crew, which is why he likes the symbolism of the flags and such.

I have no guesses as to which pirate crew he joined to get to a place so fortified like Wano (cuz no way in hell he got there by himself), but I thought this was a cool theory to share.

[wraith sigil]

Anyone watch bda law video about new chapter 1057

[weak arrow]

You'd probably have better luck in his server, which is linked in our #old-network

[stark zenith]

Is anyone here have thoughts about hawkins and x drake?

[weak arrow]

but that's not really a question for #manga-theories

[wraith sigil]

Was hoping to see someone talking about hyori theory

[zinc iris]

What did he say?

[wraith sigil]

About kozuki hyori still narative about persecution is continue on so the cycle nvr break

[weak arrow]

You might want to check the latest pin in #manga-serious

[wraith sigil]

Thanx yeah i really wanna see people discuss this so this help a lot

[hot wedge]

yeah and like be the pirate king or smth 💀

[modest skiff]

@regal raptor please do not hint at Film Red content anywhere other than the dedicated channels for it

[regal raptor]

I didn't mean to hint it. It was just one of oda's interview, I read. Thought he might get answer there. My bad.

[modest skiff]

No harm done, don’t worry

[vapid wyvern]

If I had thoughts about final Battle Matchups would here be a place to put then

[modest skiff]

#manga-serious if it’s a long winded analysis or #manga if it’s brief list of matchups

[robust path]

I think That Buggy Wil be The last Villian Hes The Perfect example To be The last Og Villian of one piece
He wil get his Aweaking soon and we shall Wait

[magic elk]

god i hope not

theres no shot they make buggy the final opponent... final opponent should for sure be sakuzuki or blackbeard

[spare quarry]

Not happening

[dusky pumice]

Zoro will fight Burgess, Sanji will fight shiryu

[glass loom]

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[onyx ibex]

buggy is def gonna be important but ion think hes final opponent

[bright siren]

My money is on a final split up next chapter

usopp falls into another boat that goes to elbaf with kid or law, Franky and chopper go on the other. we get 3 island stories that converge on laughtale

[iron bolt]

i think there’s gonna be another god valley situation because of buggy making the cross guild. everyone: blackbeard, strawhats, cross guild, maybe koby and marines who knows but it sets up where everyone can have their own fight w goals. zoro vs milhawk, luffy vs blackbeard, etc etc.. i have to find the instagram account that made it and i’ll tag it.

onepiece.thoughts theory the future role of the cross guild. he explains it much much better than me

[coarse gorge]

Luffy is going to go back to Wano (1056-1057 Manga)

Luffy Just left Wano But before He left. He made Wano his territory. I believe they are going to go to Elbaf chill there for a bit. prob train or some. ussap is going to get really invested into Elbaf. is going to train and get really strong. while in the prosses of learing what Loki is doing. (Loki is confirmed to be bad guy in Elbaf) BUT out of the blue something is going to happen back at Wano maybe related to Pluton. Luffy is going to go back but Ussap is prob going to stay because "Elbaf is ussap time to shin, become brave warrior". I believe it will be Ussap vs Loki. Luffy goes back to Wano and as they are leaving Wano again Yamato is going to join this time. I think This is how Yamato "lives like Odan".

[lapis prairie]

"As the prince of Elbaf, Loki is a deeply respected individual within the kingdom of giants." That's the fourth sentence in his wiki. Why is he bad.

[modest skiff]

Being deeply respected as a ruler is not the same as being a good person

[lapis prairie]

Okay, but there is nothing there about him being a bad person. where does this idea come from?

[modest skiff]

His name being named Loki, him selecting a mate

[lapis prairie]

I get a character being called Loki concerning, but that's not a confirmation. Also, I don't think it's crazy that he will be bad, maybe he'll be a trickster who only wanted to marry Lola for a scam or something (That would be a cool person for Ussop to fight). But that dude said confirmed. Is it confirmed?

[modest skiff]

Nothing confirmed, far from it. And to your point, compare Zeus in One Piece to Zeus in mythology. I see some major differences, lol. The name certainly doesn't necessarily mean much. You are right. Just saying why people assume.

[lapis prairie]

I don't think Zeus is a bad name for a creator of lightning who falls for a young girl.

[modest skiff]

Sure, but he's also a cloud who is a coward and very submissive. That is very different than gigachad Zeus in mythology. Just saying Loki could be very different than our expectation

[lapis prairie]

good point. Nobody in OP is who we expect.

[grave vine]

Same

[coarse gorge]

I will find it. but They said I think back in Little garden or some that they ran from Loki or some. and from what I know of Norse mythology ( I think that what it is called) Loki is a questionable guy and want to be king. YES this is from Marvel but I think is is a some what general thing.

I could be wrong , IDK if I can find it or if it even existed, but I still believe he is that bad guy.

Now I don't think he will be a permeant bad guy but I do believe that there will be a fight with him being in the wrong (bad guy)

[hoary hatch]

I can't see Sakazuki as the final boss. Imu and WG elite troops maybe if Luffy takes down them, but the Marines are unlikely to be final boss by themselves. Defeating them wouldn't change anything, WG just rebuilds them. Meanwhile, taking out BB and all other Emperors makes Luffy the undisputed pirate king and taking out the Celestial dragons ends the tyranny even if the other kingdoms remain (and create a better more just WG)

[hoary hatch]

Loki in Marvel is not the same as old mythology Loki. Oda is more likely to have taken ideas from mythology rather than comics/movies and we don't actually know if this Loki shares anything more with the norse god than just their name.

[harsh herald]

What significance do you guys think this guy has to the story? Was the 5 empty chests a foreshadowing of the One Piece itself being intangible?

[raw path]

there’s a chance that after luffy hears what shanks did to elegia his feelings toward shanks will change he will still like him but also hate him for what he did and also shanks said to Ben “isn’t it time to claim it” so shanks will go to laughtale but it won’t be out publicly he’ll stay there until luffy comes and Luffy will challenge shanks and luffy will win yk and it would like luffy puts the straw hat on shanks dead body.

[desert spindle]

Wow that is good but sad

[thorny summit]

hmmmm

[trim crag]

Out there idea: Rocks actually won at god valley, but had someone use an awakened Memo Memo no Mi to rewrite what happened. Rocks therefore succeeded in becoming king of the world, so Rocks = Im.

[dim cloak]

That would be a cool thing, but isn't Imu implied to be like, very old?
He also seems super tall or having a long neck unlike Rocks' figure.

[modest skiff]

We know Imu lives somewhere which is very old but we don't have any real indication whatsoever about their age

[coarse gorge]

valid

[plain inlet]

damn thats so epic and heartbreaking

[pure raven]

Prob over 800. I think that’s known

[onyx ibex]

is the stuff from film red and the new episodes canon? last i checked it wasnt, but it i dont know

[pine lance]

Was the thing that scared the bandits in ep 1030 conq haki? ben haki?

[fathom matrix]

True, although it'd be interesting if Black Beard stole the treasure or the one piece, and they're shocked the chests are empty. HELL, what if the 5 chests represent the first 5 characters from the east blue saga, and they're the first ones to look at it

[edgy fiber]

so now that we know Yamato ain't gonna be in the strawhats, any idea who it's gonna be?

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[pure raven]

Sadly no one, my guess. Oda painted the whole crew years ago as concept. Ten is the max

I feel like we're at the point there's gonna be more crews joining the grand fleet. After all there's no other serious role new crewmate could take. Ignoring the fact Zoro is just a fighter, all of them have a real position to help out. Even Usopp being not only sniper but also a weaponsmith gives him a solid role.

[edgy fiber]

Oh, I didn’t even realize it was at 10 already oops 😬

[pure raven]

But also I feel that Big Mom's original crew and Beasts pirates will aid Luffy in the upcoming last battle versus World Government. Both Kaido and Big Mom are somewhat acting like oppressors of them so if they're really dead, liberated people might want to help out Joy Boy. That's a wild guess

Looking at Katakuri liking Luffy and asking to overthrow BM and King having some sort of secret knowledge about Joy Boy's coming awaiting it, this is a real possibility.

[sinful vortex]

Before the void century Joy boy and other gods, gave habilities to certain individuals to build a better world, a war broke out with regular humans and Imu managed to capture these special people and somehow turn them into the DF we know. He rallied the 20 nations to form the world government. And erased the country where joyboy comes from, he keeps hidden behind the tenryubito and protects them as a safe measure bc he can remove any devilfruit power from any user.

Kurohige is Rocks after Bonney or her DF previous user turned him into a child to defeat him, the Yami Yami no mi is the form of Nika's opposite god

[sinful vortex]

Makes sense: sun + 9 planets

[random harbor]

not really because joyboy was the one who ate the gumgum fruit well Hito-Hito-no-mi Model nika

[strange turret]

Lol the comment of someone who hasn’t read movie spoiler

Any serious theories on where the SH will end up next?

[regal raptor]

There's always a mini arc before big arc, they might go to Thunder island like roger crew went before.

[wintry sentinel]

Sphinx maybe don't know

[gentle epoch]

Could be something else entirely. Feels like we're latching on to thunder as its the one we've been shown. I really wanna know the sorbet kingdom lore.

[lapis prairie]

Carrot stowing away 😄

[pure raven]

Well dayum, never thought about it 😄

[pure raven]

Please stop with bland Buggs Bunny. She doesn't have anything interesting, isn't that strong and can't control her Sulong.

[modest skiff]

@pure raven no OS references please

"Who joins" discussion goes in #manga or #manga-serious if its an in depth thought

[lapis prairie]

This feels like misdirected anger about Yamato not making it

[modest skiff]

Give them time. Some people are deeply broken over it

[magic bane]

Makes no sense since there are only 8 plantes in our solar system

[modest skiff]

forgetting the sun

We used to think the sun orbits earth

oh wait i misread

[pure raven]

Nah man, I'm good about that either

[magic bane]

He's right though. Carrot offers nothing to the crew other then a female furry Fan service.

Also she doesnt really have a wish as the other SH's. You COULD argue that her "dream" is to carry on pedros will but for me, thats not a dream but rather a "service" or tribute to a special Person. without pedros death, she wouldnt pursue the goal to bring the dawn.

[pure raven]

By Pedro's dream you mean detonation or anything else specific? 😄

[magic bane]

His dream was bringing the dawn to the World or at least support those that would bring it, he even sacrificed himself to eventually fulfill this dream

[leaden edge]

Anyone have any theories on the egg that was on Rogers ship?

[cosmic rock]

They made a giant omelette with it.

[lone crane]

some think it's a dragon

[cosmic rock]

What if it's just the newspaper guy.

[lone crane]

the one with pekoms ? 🤣

[leaden edge]

Nvm it’s most definitely Uranus. Maybe a dragon

[cosmic rock]

I think his name is Morgans.

[lone crane]

nah it's not him

[cosmic rock]

We shall see.

[lone crane]

morgans is just a bird, the guy u talk about is Tamago I think

[pure raven]

Biggest plot twist ever would be that Morgans was actually Uranus the whole time and was born from this egg.

[cosmic rock]

No , i was talking about Morgans , i think i know who i was talking about better than you do.

[lone crane]

Oh i thought that you meant the guy why the egg egg fruit

[cosmic rock]

Lol , well this guy is some kind of weapon.

[leaden edge]

Maybe the moon causes the calm belt and Uranus is a big dragon that can destroy the moon allowing free passage between the seas and pluton can be used to destroy Reverse mountain which would allow free passage from the red line and create the all blue.

Or maybe it can bring skypiea to land

Maybe something to do with dragons having the ability to produce clouds has something to do with it

[pure raven]

I think that it might as well be something else that Uranus is. We have a weapon being a machine, a human weapon so why not an object granting special power like Devil Fruit?

[golden meadow]

what

[drowsy isle]

bon chan

[light venture]

Bon chan is ☠️

[somber hound]

Oda doesn't like killing people, deaths in one piece for major characters are usually on-screen

[light venture]

Dont forget he already died once.
After alabasta.

[somber hound]

He didn't die, he was just imprisoned. If we don't see absolute 100% proof that they died and we've seen that character before, then it's likely that they're still alive.

[trim crag]

No based on a cover story he’s the new leader of level 5.5

[sour salmon]

if the mihawk giving future sight to somebody theory is true, how is that even useful compare to shank's ability to do the opposite cause to me it seems pre useless to use for a fight, wouldnt it just give the opponent an advantage?

[regal raptor]

Theory the next thing luffy will learn is haki channelling/projectile haki. We already saw it before, roger's kamusari and shanks attacking greenbull. Also, I think observation haki can be channel too.

[nocturne leaf]

Like showing someone future is lame but what if he could show whatever he wants for example he can manipulate his enemy by showing them fake future sight like them losing to mihawk which is pretty cool tbh giving him advantages over his opponent

[onyx ibex]

yo wait i dont remember uranus

[slate mirage]

I doubt Fujitora has conquerors haki.

[sinful vortex]

Only since 2006...almost 10 years after OP started, by then Pluton was already mentioned as an ancient weapon and the events of Alabasta had already happened

[pure raven]

I reread some old chapters and came across Roger mentioning all the location of the red poneglyphs
First of all: Luffy is now in possession of all the poneglyphs Roger mentioned. The one he had a 'hunch off' is still nowhere to be found and also the One Luffy needs.
Later we discovered that Roger went all the way back to fishman Island in order to talk with Neptune and thus there he found the last red poneglyph.
However when Luffy went to fisman Island there was only the one with the apology letter. The red one was missing even though it was right next to it in Rogers flashback... Therefore Luffy must come back there, in order to reach laughtale.. But why did Neptune hid such an important thing? Either Oda thought later off the existence of red pone... or it was too early to reveal such a crucial information... Either way, my point is, Luffy will come back in order to get the last red pone... but by doing so he'll cause the destruction of fishman Island..
Two possible ways IMO

1. The marines will attack them since it's literally next to head quarters
2. Blackbeard and Luffy will have their clash at Fishman Island, thus causing its destruction

[dim cloak]

It is established that between Roger reaching Laughtale to current year, the Road Phoneglypg dissapeared from FMI.

Its not there anymore

[fervent quartz]

big news morgan has always been seen in his zoan form therefore he is probably someone oda is saving for the right time i think it could be xebec

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[lone hedge]

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/onepiece/images/0/05/Franky_Gun_Hair.png/revision/latest?cb=20150206010613

[spiral fractal]

Does anyone ever wonder why Scopper Gaban's status hasn't been revealed while most key members of Roger's crew has already been revealed?

[proud tree]

"most" is an understatement ... in the Roger flashback we have seen many character we never saw again

[spiral fractal]

"most key members", keyword is "key". This excludes unknown or minor crew members.

[tribal wedge]

doesnt wano walls kinda remind you of the walls of impel down

[modest skiff]

@keen galleon if your theory here involves anything beyond 1057, it can't be posted anywhere other than the spoiler channel. Please let me know if it contains anything beyond 1057. If I don't hear a response in the next 15 min I'll delete just to be safe

[pure raven]

Not really. Wano is semi natural and impel down really isn’t

[dim cloak]

You do have to wonder how it was constructed that well being built underwater.

[pure raven]

Ussop is rayleighs son 😱

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[worthy shard]

https://youtube.com/shorts/__SHiH2-FWk

[keen galleon]

it does

[graceful fulcrum]

am I late on picking up that the Navy wants a monopoly on devil fruits regardless of power?

[fading viper]

That's more of a topic for #manga-serious , but I'm curious where you're getting that

[graceful fulcrum]

well, it seems logical in a perspective of having better control over the population, strengthening their own ranks and just essentially being more effective as a dictatorship

plus, I hardly think they wouldnt know how to get them once the user is dead since Cesar seems to know how and he was just an assistant to Vegapunk

[dim cloak]

Tbf, the Navy is only a dictatorship towards the populace cuz they're directly subordinated to the WG, who licks the boots of the 1% and want to maintain the horrible status quo.

So in a way, what they're doing is just a reflection of what the WG wants them to do.

[graceful fulcrum]

ok so just change what I said to the WG

[fading viper]

Having more devil fruits doesn't really help with this, and they've never tried to capitalize on a fruit someone's lost before

They didn't want the Gura Gura back at all, for example

[dim cloak]

I mean, with the Gura Gura, it is difficult to control the power, as it's meant for destroy, rather than protect. You can't really control who gets damaged with the cataclysmic pain you can dish out with earthquakes and so it would be hard to use for a Marine with a higher rank than Captain due to them having to command a lot of people and protect them from harm as they help each other.

[fading viper]

You can say this about almost literally every admirals' fruit, minus Sengoku's and maybe Greenbull's, that's not really a concern of theirs

I mean, Akainu is magma.

[tribal wedge]

How tf do walls appear naturally

[pure raven]

i said semi bc like the the walls are like the moutains and shit. they are jsut messed with impel down isnt at all

[tribal wedge]

No.., they aren’t

[dusty sleet]

shanks strongest alive yonko with by far strongest crew. Benbeckman>kizaru extreme dif

[glass loom]

!theories

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[pure raven]

the walls above around old wano are definitely done by a fruit maybe wbs fruit or some earth logia? I never understood how it got so low tho cause wouldnt that mean the sea level had to rise really far also?

[peak ravine]

I think that vegapunk or someone will show DFs work by infusing it’s properties with the hosts “cells” but obviously OP will probably call it something else to simplify, and that’s how inanimate objects can eat a DF, by merging the DF cells with its own. Will also help to unravel BBs way of having more then one DF

[honest delta]

So basically at the start of wano, Marco says that RedHaired burried whitebeard and ace nearby the village on sphinx island.

Possible reason as to why shanks was so close to wano was that he was leaving Sphinx.

And how marco was able to get to wano with no real issue was cause sphinx proximity to wano.

SH to sphinx, then to Blackbeard island where they will find a messed up Kidd crew. To then forward on to elbaf to reunite with law.

[unique kayak]

i think it would be interesting to see aokiji there on fullalead too

[honest delta]

Who knows. Journey going forward going to be lit

[flat hollow]

What if boa got beaten and navy found the tatto and send her back to celestial dragons as slave

[prime hare]

Nami gonna get conquerors??