the-future

[earnest current]

and super christians most definitely aren't everyone

[solar crown]

No, it's made to appeal people wanting to play a first person shooter

Doom took christian themes cause it waa cool. And now they are putting their own spin on it to make it more "metal"

[royal ore]

Not only

[earnest current]

some homies wake up and choose to hate

[solar crown]

Also, considering the devil scare in america around the 70s, i wouldnt say a shooter that uses heavy metal is "christian" either then 😂

[earnest current]

christians in fact did complain and make a huge deal out of doom labelling it as a tool of the devil

like any other thing that has ever existed

[solar crown]

Doom just took the christian themes and stuff, and then changed them to fit their own games.
You know, creativity

[earnest current]

evangelion did the same and it was for the sake of them looking cool lol

[royal ore]

I think Doom has also a deep lore, it's not only about looking cool, it's about fighting evil

[solar crown]

Yes, yes it is
And heaven has become evil over the years

[royal ore]

At one point, Dr Hayden said "The story should have been different" or something like that.
Why not making a different story in the next game?

[earnest current]

he said "i am not the villain in this story"

(he was lmao)

[solar crown]

There will be a new story next game, it just uses the already existing lore

If you're gonna change the lore: why not just create a new series

[royal ore]

Yeah he was, but some things he said were true

[solar crown]

What's the point of doon if you're.... not playing a game from the doom series? Make something unique then

[royal ore]

Doom 2016 already did it

[earnest current]

whatever hayden said isn't relevant to this discussion though

[solar crown]

They didnt really change it

It's a new earth, but the same hell
And the OG games barely explained hell aswell

[royal ore]

Maybe what he said had a deeper meaning, depending on what the game developers wanted to say

[earnest current]

that's just over analyzing with a good dose of copium

you're trying to see things that aren't there to support your view on how things should be

you don't have to take the game that seriously, at the end of the day it's just a work of fiction

[royal ore]

Yeah, but I like stories that have deeper meanings. Why can't it be the case with Doom?

[earnest current]

because it's precisely doom

the series itself works on the premise that gameplay >>>> story

[royal ore]

Yes but there is a well written story and lore, so the story is important to them

[earnest current]

that's why the bulk of the story is laid out in optional pick ups

the game comes first always

[royal ore]

Doesn't mean the story have no importance or no meaning

[solar crown]

I mean when they try to go deeper you hate it

[earnest current]

you could simplify the story to "everyone is terrible except doomguy"

[royal ore]

Then they just should try something different

[earnest current]

no, you should try to be more open

[solar crown]

Not really how storytelling goes

[royal ore]

To make the game better

[royal ore]

Reboots are a thing

[earnest current]

that is a terrible idea

[solar crown]

Who tf reboots something that just recently got rebooted 💀

[royal ore]

Just make a new wider universe, but connected to the old one

[earnest current]

or you could just continue expanding the current one instead of throwing everything out the window to start fresh

[solar crown]

Multiverse is already established

[earnest current]

what you want is a spin-off

[solar crown]

Unless you want an omniverse which is.... ew no

[earnest current]

i want one too i don't even want to see doomguy again

he can stay in that greasy sarcophagus

[royal ore]

You mean several multiverses connected in the same thing? That would be cool

[solar crown]

No that's horrible

Multiverses are already misused 87% of the time

We dont need an unnecessarily multi-multi universe that brings nothing to the story but appeas you hating angels

[earnest current]

no he likes angels, we're supposed to be the angel haters

[royal ore]

I don't hate angels, I hate the idea of evil God or dead God, it was never part of Doom

[solar crown]

Ok but this is doomchat so if i say angels it's fair to assume i mean the ones ingame

[earnest current]

yeah I hate them too

that slowdown lance angel is cheap

[solar crown]

Yeah fair. Jumping also was never a part or doom. Neither was meathook, weaponmods, etc. None of them are part of doom

[royal ore]

I'm not talking about the gameplay, I'm taking about the spirit of the game. The spirit has always been "kill demons until it's done", not "kill God cause God is an asshole, duh"

[solar crown]

I mean, you're not killing god cause he's an arsehole

You're killing him cause he's the devil
He just so happens to also be god

[royal ore]

Yeah but it means there's no more God at the end, so it feels sad and empty.
I know how they could include a good God without breaking or rebooting the current lore: Davoth and the Father weren't actually God, they were fallen angels that pretended to be and everything was a lie. Davoth claims to be God, but how can you trust what the devil says? Here a simple solution: Davoth & the father were false gods, fallen angels, and Urdak was a false heaven. And the real God, who resides in a dimension we haven't seen yet, secretly sent the Doom Slayer and made him an angel to fight evil.
I think it would be a cool way to renew the story, and they could include others fallen angels to fight in other versions of Hell, not the Hell we have seen but in other dimensions that Davoth or the father didn't know about, so they thought their Hell was the only one

Maybe Davoth and the father aren't the Gods they claim to be, and there is a real God somewhere else

[solar crown]

Orrrr dont fucking retcon everything. Tag2 already retconned too much

[royal ore]

If you can't retconn anything then don't even make a new game, cause there is no more Hell, no more demons, no more God, the story is over. Unless... You retconn it a bit to make it more interesting, which Doom 2016 and Eternal have already done without problem

[solar crown]

All this "megagod" nonsense is always so dumb and convoluted, and doom already has a meh story

[solar crown]

There is a hell
There are still demons
God never was important

Also retconning a tiny bit is something else then retconning the entire story of the dlcs

[royal ore]

I would still prefer it to what we got in Eternal. I expected a good story that makes me proud, not a story that makes me feel betrayed, cause I always thought there could be a good God in Doom, and Eternal just scrapped this idea, which I think is stupid. If there is no God, then I don't understand the point of the story. You can't have pure evil without pure good.
Or... we could say the Slayer was an incarnation of God/Jesus from the beginning, and he came to destroy the false gods and save humanity from Hell

[solar crown]

That's kinda your own fault for making this perfect headcanon for yourself isnt it

Things dont NEED ultimate good or evil 🤷‍♀️

Start thinking critically and ask yourself "but is this needed, or do i want this"

[elder viper]

Hate when the protagonists are “reincarnations” of other beings. Doomguy should just be a marine that just so happened to get crazy strong and he kills demons that’s that

Also would be lazy writing for them to go “Actually there’s another guy that’s god for real this time”

The point of Eternal’s story which you said with God dead has no point. Eternal’s story was about saving Earth from Hell simple as that

[reef bolt]

Yeah. Just this force of nature no one can explain

I really liked that thought

[elder viper]

Also think it’s better when a protagonist is strong due to there own actions and work not just cause there a reincarnation of some other really strong guy

[royal ore]

I don't say it's "needed" since it's just a game, but I think it would be a better story and make more sense

[royal ore]

Eternal pretty much establishes that the Slayer is viewed by normal people as a God and savior of humanity, so it would make sense that he was actually God all the time, and incarnating himself into this marine was his plan to save humanity.
Making an ordinary human become a god and kill God himself? Doesn't make any sense, cause it means basically "anyone worthy enough can become God", and I don't buy that idea, it just doesn't work with me 🤷

[elder viper]

We already know Doomguy isn’t actually a god though the Divinity Machine only boosted his abilities (strength, speed, etc)

The reason he’s so durable is also mostly due to the Praetor Suit

[solar crown]

"Yes but what if he actually is, doom can't possibly hurt my feefees by spinning a story on it's head!!!"

[earnest current]

this is a bad idea ngl

[royal ore]

Or maybe God incarnated himself in the Slayer through the Divinity Machine, we don't really know how this machine work, so that's not impossible

[solar crown]

We know it used a piece of davoth's power and put that in the slayer

[royal ore]

I think there is more to it than just the armor. Like the Slayer could have been killed a thousand times before the Divinity Machine, but he didn't. Being "too angry to die" sounds cool, but anger only just don't make you unkillable. You can say he is a "unstoppable force of nature", but who created said nature? I think Doomguy could have been chosen by God to kill Satan and save humanity, so God didn't allow him to die even in the worse situation that would've killed anyone else. Makes sense to me 🤷

[royal ore]

Yes, but maybe we don't know everything about it

[solar crown]

I mean, we kinda do

[nimble loom]

He didnt die because he was a badass

[solar crown]

I mean doomguy has never been in a position where he should have been death but pure anger kept him alive

[nimble loom]

The end of episode 1

[royal ore]

I thought I was the one who wasn't open-minded enough 🤔

[solar crown]

Didnt het just get brought to hell or was that something else

[nimble loom]

He was put at one health

blindsided in a room full of demons

[solar crown]

I mean, by that logic we also "dont know everything about the heavy canon" cause "what if übergod touched it to make it's atomic structure resemble ducks"

[nimble loom]

Put on the only floor tile immune to invincibility

[solar crown]

We know the divinity machine killed everyone who went inside of it, cause it was made to kill "potentional slayers". But then samur changed the settings to put the piece of davoth's power that poweted the machine inside of doomguy.

[royal ore]

No, that's a ridiculous idea. Why he would make such a thing? You're comparing a savior sent by God to... A duck-like atomic structure. You try to make my idea seem ridiculous by comparing it to a ridiculous idea, but your idea is fucked up, my idea uses common sense. If no one can prove the real God doesn't exist IRL, how can we say he can't exist in the game? Does this idea make you uncomfortable?

[solar crown]

I mean, god does exist ingame
You just dont like it

Your idea is ridiculous within doom because it's either already a thing, or it's actually stupid

Like an omniverse and "megagod"
Those things straight up just dont work in a story unless it's specifically made around them from almost the start.

You're trying to retcon even more then tag2 already did, and most people hate tag2's story for retconning a bunch of stuff cause ID was running out of time

[royal ore]

It's not actually God as we know it, more like a bootleg or parody, so yeah, I don't like it, I think it's a badly written character 🤷

[solar crown]

It is god as the doom universe knows it. Ever heard about adapting a story?? No ofcourse you havent, this is the 3rd time i said this already

[royal ore]

If TAG2 retconned what came before, why can't we retconn TAG2?

[solar crown]

Cause retconning even further just leads to more confusing and an even worse story

Try to pick up what you have, retcon a few finer details that arent too important and explain over them, and try to make the best out of it

And wavering it all away ans saying "actually, there is a god above god who is megagod!!!" Doesnt fix anything

Cause if there is a god above the already supposed god, where does it stop?

Is there a supermegagod? Ultrasupermegagod???? Like it just makes even less sense at that point

[royal ore]

I'm not talking about a megagod, just the actual God, and Davoth & the father being false gods, like under-gods who pretended to be so

[solar crown]

Same concept

"Oh but this guy we all called god wasnt aktuallie god, he was a fake!!!! And this also wasnt hell, there is actually also a super hell that's the real hell!!!;$*×(!"

[royal ore]

I can't believe the universe still exists if God doesn't exist anymore, since he is supposed to give all the power to his creation, if he goes away everything falls apart, there is no future for the universe

[solar crown]

And the father technically is a false god that's the whole premise of tag2

[solar crown]

Yeah ever heard about doom not being a 1:1 to the biblical details

And technically god got his power stolen and those still run around making the universe work if you want to belief it

[royal ore]

If the father wasn't the true God, I can't believe Davoth is the true one. I can't believe any of them, since they lied and failed, a true God doesn't lie nor fails, because he is God. And I can't believe God is evil, I don't get this concept, it's it's a terrible concept since it means the universe is going nowhere, it makes no sense, it means everything is meant to fail, and nothing can be trusted

[solar crown]

Well, i can't argue you out of this philosophical conundrum because it's too deepstilled within your brain for me to change in a simple online conversation

You can't even accept that doom isnt and has no obligations to being a 1:1 clone of the bible and tries to be it's own story inspired by the bible

[royal ore]

It's not I don't accept they did it, it's just I don't like it and the story doesn't work with me. It could've been better in many ways without being 1:1 to the Bible, I wad expecting a better story, cause "God is Satan" sounds like a joke to me

[solar crown]

I mean you dont like it cause you can't accept it 🤷‍♀️

[royal ore]

Anyway Doom was rebooted in Doom 3, then in 2016, it's not uncommon that the story is rebooted, so there would be no problem with telling a new story from scratch, it would still be Doom. Eternal gave an ending to the story of 2016, so the most reasonable choice for a new game would be a complete reboot. New Doom games are meant to open more possibilities, not to close them

[solar crown]

Eternal already confirmed hell is the only hell in the multiverse, with urdak being practically the only heaven

This means that all the higher up stuff like davoth and vegafather are pretty much also the only ones

[royal ore]

So just reboot the story. Eternal has pretty much concluded its own story. We know how the story ends, it would be more interesting to make a new story where we don't know the end yet, cause we also want to finish the game to see where the story goes, it's a narrative experience with a beginning, a middle and an end.

Rebooting Doom would be a great opportunity to introduce a whole new bunch of demons, new versions of Hell and refresh the interest in the story, so I think it's the better option they have for a new game

[royal ore]

Talking about new worlds/versions of Hell, as the Sentinel world was heavily inspired by Nordic culture and gladiators, I would love to see an Egyptian-style world corrupted or invaded by Hell, with huge deserts, very ancient buildings, tombs and pyramids, and corrupted Egyptian gods as bosses

[earnest current]

this is some dragon ball powerscaling bs

lol

[elder viper]

We literally know IT IS the suit keeping Doomguy safe, The Wretch enchanted it for the sole purpose of keeping Doomguy safe. Being a “unstoppable force of nature” is due to the fact Doomguy’s rage was amplified heavily inside the Divinity Machine

[elder viper]

Rebooting Doom again is an awful idea

[solar crown]

I mean next game is gonna havea new protagonist probably, but it wills till cary over the lore

[elder viper]

Just not a full reboot

[hazy cloud]

i do not want a reboot, i want my demigod of rage doomslayer, not a guy in space with gaurd duty

[elder viper]

As Lucina said having a new protagonist is likely as we’ll need someone to free Doomguy

[limber finch]

wait doomguy is captured? by who? did i miss the dlc?

[solar crown]

no but he's stuck in a coffin

[limber finch]

ok

who put him there?

[elder viper]

Spoilers for TAG 2: ||After Doomguy kills The Dark Lord since it was The Dark Lords existence that allowed Doomguy to keep his powers all that energy within Doomguy makes him black out. Last thing we see is him being lowered back into the coffin surrounded by Seraphs||.

[limber finch]

ah ok so he's trapped right now.

[elder viper]

Yeah

[limber finch]

makes sense hopefully someone gets him out

[elder viper]

People have said Crash, or the Intern. Those 2 seem more likely then BJ

[inner isle]

I'd rather have him stay there tbh
I feel like his story is over

[elder viper]

They did say the Slayers journey ends here

Here’s what I’m thinking

Even though I wouldn’t want it I feel like the next game will be a Quake 1 reboot following Rangers dimension hopping adventures, this will inevitably tie into Doom perhaps Ranger defeats a revived Shub-Nub and that somehow unseals Hell needing Doomguy to be unsealed

From the Corrax entry at the beginning of 2016 it builds the picture the Slayer is more or less a weapon to be used when Hell is doing things it shouldn’t be

[earnest current]

doom and quake crossing over seems unlikely but it's a cool idea tbh

[elder viper]

It’s a bit of a stretch yeah but considering how Ranger is stuck between worlds hopping around them it makes sense sooner or late he would stumble upon something Hell related

[earnest current]

True true, i agree with your statement

[woven siren]

there aren't any rules in the lore saying they can't lie nor fail iirc

there is nothing wrong with a god being evil eiher

[woven siren]

doom never had a god to begin with 🤷

[solar crown]

His whole point is that he cant, cause there can only be 1 interpretation of god ofc

[solar crown]

Davoth in eternal is god for the doom multiverse

[woven siren]

yeah and he only got introduced in the most recent game

[solar crown]

And? He still is. Doesnt matter how late he is introduced.
Angels also got introduced in eternal

[woven siren]

yeah he still is

just saying that "never was doom" doesn't check out

[reef bolt]

Did you really have to summon him

You fool

[woven siren]

i apologize

my heart sincerely goes out to whoever will potentially have to read a wall of text about why killing a god in a story makes it inconsumable

[elder viper]

Also ending your message with “Makes sense to me 🤷” does not make something canon

[solar crown]

Especially if it is, infact, easily able to be made sense in-universe

[elder viper]

Example the Codex could say “Doomguy has a suit of armor” and this guy would say “What if he actually doesn’t have armor cause it would be more badass if Doomguy ran around buck naked killing demons instead cause that’s more “Doom” makes sense to me 🤷”

[woven siren]

that sums it up perfectly lmao

[limber finch]

wish they did a doom movie that wasnt complete shit

the rock couldnt even save it

[reef bolt]

Jared leto as doom slayer

[elder viper]

They shouldn’t tried twice and messed up both. Should just be accepted that Doom can’t be adapted into a good movie

[limber finch]

resident evil is around the same thing but i heard welcome to racoon city wasnt bad

[elder viper]

Games like BioShock, Dishonored, Portal 2, and Half-Life would be much better for movie or show adaptations

[limber finch]

bioshock one or two would make an amazing movie rapture is an awesome place to do a film its full of potential and they could take the story in so many directions

so much to work with that would be epic

[elder viper]

Seeing a Big Daddy in live action would be awesome

[limber finch]

ikr and little sisters those would be cool. wonder what they would make the main character do harvest or save them

[elder viper]

Either they have it based off of the games or it could be like Cyberpunk Edgerunners, takes place in the BioShock world but not necessarily with characters we know

[limber finch]

yeah. the stories of people living in rapture before everything happening would be cool seeing rapture collapse would be awesome

[reef bolt]

Nah it was

Basically adapting doom which was based on over the top 80s 90s actions movies just doesn't work because they form of media doesn't exist anymore.

[feral plover]

It was awful haha

[reef bolt]

https://youtu.be/RhjtJIHe_v0

Here's the closets you'll ever get to a good doom movie. Enjoy

[limber finch]

nice thats badass

[elder viper]

Great trailer

[glacial dove]

Actually this is https://youtu.be/AkMhf-EYI5E

Hands down the best “film” of doom yet

[sturdy oak]

Nah, the best Doom fan film is the one by "Games Made Of Cardboard" on youtube. Just watch it, it's awesome.

[glacial dove]

Ehhhh

[reef bolt]

Completely forgot about this gem

[sterile halo]

No

[autumn mortar]

So does that mean the Slayer starts a cult.

[reef bolt]

It's rip and tearin time

[regal citrus]

"After we release our mobile game, lets make Samuel Hayden the BFG!! What are your thoughts Microsoft Corporation?"

Just an assumption of the future

[autumn mortar]

This comment gave me an aneurysm, but anyways Microsoft more like Losersoft cause I despise Windows.

[idle pelican]

No windows in the house?

[mint plinth]

MS owes me a new laptop because it installed Win 11 (without permission) and it broke 100%, coudlnt even do a hard reset and had to buy another

[feral plover]

I would love if the next game would have a co-op option
i know that isnt doom but it would be fun

[teal parcel]

snapmap in doom eternal

[autumn mortar]

Windows is as usual an L

[reef bolt]

Skill issues

[feral plover]

This sounds badass

[feral plover]

"i will not allow you to shoot a hole into the surface of Mars. Im blocking your access"

[shell fern]

So I think the confirmed there won't be many new doom games. Here is what I'm thinking. Quake reboot combining quake 1 style with quake 2 and 4. So your just one of the normal Sci fi guys but then the world gets invaded by medival people.

[elder viper]

That just sounds like Doom but it’s not demons invading, instead for a Quake reboot it could be done DOOM 2016 style. Also it would lean heavily into the games Lovecraft influences and explosives would play a primary role in combat

Rocket jumping would be a fleshed out mechanic, rocket launcher and grenade launcher would take center stage in the combat loop

[shell fern]

Yeah I was thinking that with some Sci fi sections

[solar crown]

How would rocket jumping be a fleshed out mechanic

[shell fern]

When I was writing it I was like "this is starting to sound like just doom" but i was thinking it would have a lot of unique weapons made to seem medival and shit and also have a lot of lovecraftian things

[shell fern]

Have rocket jumping sections, design combat around it, simplify it enough so that a normal person who just picked up the game can do it but takes a lot of skill to fully master

[solar crown]

How do you master "shoot rocket under you" like i mean sure parkour for rocket jumping but how tf do you "master" it

At most i could see like bouncy nades and timing those to jump higher

[shell fern]

Like to do complicated roll outs like in tf2

[elder viper]

Incorporate rocket jumping into level design I guess would be a better way to put it. Either way rocket jumping should be in the game

[half canopy]

Imagine a quake game like doom 2016 or eternal

I do like quake single player

It’s dead as fuck though

The only quake people do now is quake live or qc

I mainly play quake 2 and it’s single player

All though the deathmatch is very good too

[feral plover]

I’ve got the remastered quake 1, but haven’t played it yet

[half canopy]

The remaster is very weird

[feral plover]

I’m clueless about it

[half canopy]

The weapons are really the only thing you notice and there is no weapon sway

[feral plover]

I bought it on sale

[half canopy]

there is good mouselook tho

I’m not sure if original quake had mouselook

I remember pressing buttons to look up and down

[reef bolt]

Doom 2016 and eternal were already based on quake. More so 2016

[half canopy]

I didn’t see any similarities

[reef bolt]

Quad damage. Movement slip gates

Ect

If anything it's a baby of both games already so a new quake would play like new doom to some degree. There's no way it wouldn't.

[stray ginkgo]

dude i just want a quake 4 follow up from matthew kane

[shell fern]

Never played quake 4

[stray ginkgo]

oh man i think steam just had a sale on it

its a bastard to get running good though

like when u buy it the graphics qual is set lower than low

and anything glass is just a grey texture

[solar crown]

Jump pads? Arena layout

[elder viper]

2016’s BFG was pretty much a modern version of Quake 2’s BFG

[elder viper]

Quake 1 reboot that’s either a soft reboot or a total reboot. Considering most of the old FPS giants have had reboots Quake should get the same treatment

[elder viper]

By sway do you mean like left and right? Cause they didn’t do that in the original either

[half canopy]

Not talk left to right its more of a, front to back

in the remaster there’s no gun movement unless you fire

It’s not really an issue it’s just kinda weird

[nimble loom]

Quake had mouselook it just wasnt on by default

[nimble loom]

Yeah for some reason the remaster disables that. You can just tuen it on in settings

[pure kestrel]

Is there any possibility of doomslayer meeting canonically with Ranger and bj blazkowicz ?
And have stories connected...

[glacial dove]

Without some bs about time travel and inter dimensional jumping along with timeline jumping, no

[elder viper]

Because Quake Champions exist they technically already have. Though it would be awful to have stories intertwine. BJ (assuming this is MachineGames BJ) could not survive against Doom’s demons while the Nazis wouldn’t stand a chance against Doomguy and Ranger

Ranger alone is comparable and pretty much the same as pre 2016 Doomguy

[feral plover]

Modern day BJ is too busy taking orders from Grace

[elder viper]

That and Wolf3D BJ is either too old to fight or dead

Possibly

[solar crown]

Well there would be time shenanigins anyways

[elder viper]

Or just good old dimension hopping. With Slipgates and all

[solar crown]

Doom confirmed hell is the constant within the multiverse

And hell evolved while doomguy slayed everything after coming there in the OGs

Going off of from one offhand devcomment about BJ being the great, great grandfather of doomguy..... yeah

[elder viper]

Couldn’t Hell be used as a sort of gateway to every other universe since it’s a constant?

[solar crown]

Yeh kinda

But.... well time

[elder viper]

Oh right flow of time is different in Hell

[feral plover]

I do like those newer Wolfenstein games

[elder viper]

Same. Though there a bit more hide behind cover then I’d like but there still pretty fun.

Also pretty difficult at times as well

[feral plover]

The brutality is great. And I like that the games flow from one another.

[elder viper]

The beginning of Old Blood was absolutely brutal

I hate the robot guys so much there such a pain to deal with

[feral plover]

Oh man. Those guys.

[reef bolt]

It's not bad. Stealth sections are just boring

[elder viper]

I kind of enjoyed them. Mostly cause I hated the intense fire fights where mostly I’m hiding behind cover

The fire fights aren’t bad but hiding behind cover sucks

[reef bolt]

Nothings stopping you from running and gunning. Which is what I do. It depends on your playstyle

[elder viper]

I was probably just upgrading the wrong stuff. The game itself has a pretty great combat loop

[reef bolt]

Yeah it really let's you decide how you want to play which is neat

[solar crown]

stealth is good when you can just go into complete violence if stealth is broken

like in Dishonered

[soft wedge]

He will return

[elder viper]

In maybe like 5 years

Actually probably more then that

[next oxide]

Someday, the Mother Demon will reawake, and so does the Slayer.

[plain lynx]

Given what's going on
What's the future look like now

[elder viper]

Wdym?

[plain lynx]

The whole Marty and Mick drama

[elder viper]

Ah that

[elder viper]

Well I think for the most part either Marty will stay in his position or leave id. Either way this shouldn’t hinder any games being developed right now. I mean look at companies like Bethesda or EA. They’ve been in controversy before yet still where making games

Activisions probably the best example since while they where in there sexual assault law suit stuff they where still developing games

Pretty sure CoD Vanguard was in development around that time or at the very least getting regularly updated

[plain lynx]

Ah yeah that makes sense
Hopefully ID ditches Marty
Never did like him

[exotic charm]

Time for Marty to go.

[reef bolt]

Hire betruger

[nimble loom]

Hire gougary

[reef bolt]

My evil brother

[plain lynx]

Hire Olivia Pierce

[reef bolt]

Bootleg betruger

[plain lynx]

She got a statue in hell tho
Can Betruger say the same

[reef bolt]

Betruger doesn't need a statue he controls a whole area in hell.

[elder viper]

Betruger became an awesome dragon can Olivia say the same?

[plain lynx]

She became a giant brain spider

[elder viper]

Still less cool then a demonic skeleton dragon

[undone pendant]

how do you beat a skeleton dragon in terms of coolness?

[elder viper]

That’s what I’m saying

[solemn karma]

best game ever

[quick vessel]

Am I the only one not able to upload photos? All these chat areas are locked.

[elder viper]

pretty sure link embedded images can be posted. Otherwise you can post stuff in #screenshots and #artwork

[cinder plaza]

I wonder when a new Doom Game Will be released

?

[earnest current]

2025

[cinder plaza]

Wow

Thats a long time

[earnest current]

it's also not true

[cinder plaza]

I know

[earnest current]

i made it up because i thought it was funny

[cinder plaza]

Yeah i know

[feral plover]

Fishy you so crazy

[cinder plaza]

It wasnt i have to Say

[earnest current]

:(

[cinder plaza]

But good try being funny man

[reef bolt]

Most likely announced next year

[cinder plaza]

I wonder man if it's going to be the same Doom Slayer or it Will be somebody else ?

[reef bolt]

Might not be doom at all. Could be quake

[cinder plaza]

I SEE yeah it could be

[elder viper]

Would kinda ruin the sort of “This is it” feeling TAG2 was giving off at the end if in the next game Doomguy just broke out of the coffin cause he can. Some other people have theorized it will be a new protagonist who’s goal is to break Doomguy out

or as Gougaru said might not even be Doom at all

My personal bet is on a Quake 1 reboot

[lost condor]

If they reboot the quake games they should combine quake 1 and 2 together
Strogg empire vs demonic lovecraftian demons vs humans

3 factions against eachother similar to half life

[woven siren]

gonna ruin the empty creepiness i always got from q1

[lost condor]

They could have you traveling back and forth between the strogg empire and creepy castles

[woven siren]

that doesn't do it

the minute you travel somewhere with intelligent beings that you understand, the immersion gets broken

although if the atmosphere wasn't going to be the priority with a quake 1 reboot, that idea could honestly work pretty darn well

[lost condor]

Just imagine how cool itd be to see the body horror of the strogg battling against the lovecraftian demons, while you and human soldiers battle both of them

[woven siren]

lovecraftian horror's main thing is utilizing the fear of the unknown

i liked what devil daggers did with it, if we got a codex with detailed history for the monsters as well as lore for the player it wouldn't be creepy in the least (referring to devil daggers)

[lost condor]

Then they could have the game start as just fighting the strogg, then the demons come in and you dont know anything about them, slowly finding out more and more as the game progresses

[woven siren]

it would be cool i guess

[woven siren]

nah

[lost condor]

And for the scary factor, its a somewhat open world game where demons can appear in at any moment

[woven siren]

ehhhhh?

[lost condor]

You could get surprised by a shambler teleporting in at you

[woven siren]

seeing the words "open world" in the same discussion as quake makes me shiver

[woven siren]

what

[lost condor]

Ok but imagine freely exploring the strogg world

Or the demonic lovecraftian realm

[woven siren]

lovecraftian horror has nothing to do with jumpscares

[woven siren]

big nonlinear levels would be cool, not open-world

[elder viper]

Open world ≠ Good game

An open world Quake would be awful

Like those people who kept asking for a open world Doom game. Very few series actually do open worlds good

Doom and Quake should not even try

[lost condor]

Yeah ig youre right

I meant more of a nonlinear and huge world

[elder viper]

That sounds better yeah

[reef bolt]

Open world is a bit tricky for doom I feel

[solar crown]

best i can see work is something like a metroidvania

[sudden shoal]

It’d probably become that military shooter 2016 nearly was if they went open world. As a spinoff game it could work though

Just wouldn’t work as a mainline entry

[elder viper]

I can see parts of what an open world Doom game could be but it would ultimately be pretty boring. Doom thrives off of linear level design to ensure action is nearly always happening. Open world just wouldn’t have that

[feral plover]

Doomguy climbing buildings to collect all 100 “artifacts”

[elder viper]

Doomguy on his way to Diamond City

[feral plover]

Now featuring races!

[elder viper]

woah an open world Doom game would suck so bad. People who think open world = good game are probably the same that think vr = good game

[feral plover]

I’ve always preferred linear games, doom or otherwise

[elder viper]

There a few open worlds I enjoyed

Fallout New Vegas especially, there’s also Subnautica

[feral plover]

I think Far Cry series is the only open world game I like

[elder viper]

I tried Just Cause 3 once but it has too many issues on PC

[elder viper]

I played Fat Cry 5 on a friends Xbox once. I can see the appeal

[feral plover]

It’s good times

[void moth]

What is this chat about?

[elder viper]

Future of the Doom series

[void moth]

Lol I was thinking about this today

[elder viper]

or really just future of id, at this point

[void moth]

Maybe in a new game you could play as Valen and play in the time when the night sentinel army got trapped in hell, then play up to where he becomes the betrayer or something

[reef bolt]

Prequel is possible

[elder viper]

eh, I would prefer they just move forward with the story instead of having us play through an event we already know how it happens. I don't think prequels should get an entire game, that's more DLC material.

[void moth]

Yeah but what about different combat 😭 but yeah your right also that game could have so much potential like mech suit combat or something

[elder viper]

combat would just be more hammer. Hugo did say that for a new game (dunno if he meant strictly Doom, or just another id Software game) that the combat would be even better then Eternal. Would be great if this revamped combat was used in a Doom game that follows the events of TAG2 or just in another id game in general

Like a Quake 1 reboot would be a perfect game for revamped combat

[void moth]

Bro I’m saying like shield and spear, some of their own weapons, like a lot of melee focused stuff, and maybe some gun play idk 🤷‍♂️

[elder viper]

There would be more melee combat yeah. Though the Sentinels did use quite a lot of firearms as well. What would be cool is if you got to pilot one of those massive Atlan mechs and got to fight a Titan

Now THAT would be pretty awesome

[void moth]

Yeah

Maybe get to use wolfs too

[solar crown]

Aslong as the gameplay wouldn't become a slog and is probably skippable on replays it could be cool

[void moth]

Or the sentinel artillery or their tanks or their space ships?

[elder viper]

Using Sentinel artillery would be a must. So probably a lot of swords, from some of the cutscenes in TAG2 some Night Sentinels are carrying Lightning Guns from DOOM 2016 multiplayer so it's possible we would see those again

except buffed for singleplayer as they where sort of meh in DOOM 2016

[void moth]

Mmm yeah, also pvp could be arena style but in a unique way, maybe night sentinels vs demons or even night sentinels vs marauders or something

[solar crown]

I'd rather have no mp ngl

[elder viper]

a multiplayer like 2016 I wouldn't be opposed to but I could see why some wouldn't want a mp

[void moth]

Coop? 🤔 replay missions as night sentinels in like a squad of four?

[elder viper]

for a game like Doom I would prefer pvp mp then coop personally

[solar crown]

Ok coop is the exception, i meant more no pvp mp

[void moth]

If there was coop the game would have to be hard as shit

[solar crown]

Not really if it's just properly designed

[elder viper]

or they could just buff the enemies and stuff for when you have coop active, or like how old Doom games have some monsters set to appear only on multiplayer

[void moth]

Yeah I guess I’m still stuck up about how melee combat would work in the first place

[void moth]

Yeah like in souls games if you do coop the enemies and bosses are scaled up

[elder viper]

Dishonored has some great sword mechanics imo so they could try to replicate something like that for swords at least

[solar crown]

You can't plop down coop in eternal, but a 202x game made with coop in mind from the start? That works without having stupid balancing

[elder viper]

Though it might not fit Doom's action

[void moth]

202x? What does that mean

[elder viper]

I was not responding to your message Da_Luci

[solar crown]

Ngl dishonered's sword action is still quite... meh purely combat wise

[solar crown]

Year, where x is whatever year it ends in

[void moth]

Melee? They need to have dashes and jumps and mainly focus on gun play, I feel like the spear could do decent damage and have ammo for shooting a projectile from it but the melee itself costs nothing since it isn’t amazing idk tho

[elder viper]

couldn't think of a better first person game with satisfying sword combat

[solar crown]

So 2025, 3 yesrs from now

[elder viper]

No I meant Dishonored style sword fighting wouldn't fit Doom's action

[void moth]

Yeah lol

[solar crown]

Probably cause first person sword combat always plays nehh

[void moth]

Third person could work

Only when using the melee weapons tho

[elder viper]

Yeah but a 3rd person Doom sounds dicey

[solar crown]

Like in dishonored you just... spam attack. Maybe spam slide and 1 shot everyone or use elevation

[solar crown]

Sounds disorienting as hell

[void moth]

🤔 maybe I guess first person could work it’d have to work so perfectly tho

[solar crown]

And you have to DEDICATE your game to be melee focused, if it still functions as a spam attack might aswell keep it first person

Though imo bloodpunch is already spectacular melee for eternal ngl

[elder viper]

sword fighting in first person only really works in VR.

[void moth]

Spears and swords could maybe work like god of war, using weapon points to upgrade them and get new attacks?

[void moth]

So I think there could be an animation when you pull out a melee weapon then it sends you into third person, in destiny using a sword out you in third person and that’s a mainly first person game

[solar crown]

Could but i would rather have all attacks be available rather then making doom an melee based rpg aswell

[void moth]

Maybe just special abilities then like oh you can throw your spear or oh you can shoot the spear or something

[solar crown]

Rather keep it strictly part of your overall kit, like you have 1 spear which shoots and that's it. No other spear ingame

No collect em all RPG

[void moth]

Ok and you can upgrade it to do more damage and master it to do something

[solar crown]

Well not "do more damage" obviously

[void moth]

Lol

Faster attacks wider swings idk maybe mastery gives it an extra attack in the chain

[solar crown]

But justt part of your overall loudoad eh sure

[solar crown]

Upgrades should offer huge chances in the feel of the weapon

[void moth]

Also dashing and doing a light or heavy attack should be different than normal, maybe faster, and jumping light gives like a slash midair and jumping Heavy gives a slam

[void moth]

Instead of shooting once with the spear’s first mod you can fire three in rapid succession, mastery makes it five. Maybe the second mod gives it a charge attack

Now that I think of it there could be sword, spear, axe, hammer, mace, flail, polearm, and some other types of weapons, maybe different types of shields

I really like this idea a prequel could definitely be very fun lol

[elder viper]

I would also take like a lore book or even lore comic book explaining the smaller details like the wars the Sentinels fought or just things mentioned in the Codex

[void moth]

Yeah maybe stuff about how a sentinel gets crowned king

Also speaking of lore when the sentinels were trapped in hell was the king there with them, cause I know the king is supposed to be on the frontlines.

[elder viper]

He was mostly likely defending the Sentinel cities instead. Doomguy was the one who led expeditions into Hell

[void moth]

Mmmm ok

[solar crown]

Theres multiple kings

[void moth]

Also did valen betray before or while in hell? Like was it the deags and the maykrs and valen who betrayed everyone or did valen only do that while demons took his son while fighting in hell?

[solar crown]

Doomguy was "king of the night sentinels" which basically meant upper high command

So there probably was an king of accounting too....

[elder viper]

He wasn't in Hell when he betrayed the Sentinels as he led the Deags to where the Wraiths where and they certainly weren't in Hell

[void moth]

So he confessed to everyone in hell?

😂

https://tenor.com/view/i-have-a-confession-to-make-ajay-friese-vijay-dhar-lost-in-space-confession-gif-16240341

[elder viper]

i just said he wasn't in hell

[void moth]

So he never got trapped there?

[elder viper]

He was banished to Hell alone after betraying the Sentinels

[void moth]

Why is he in hell in the second level then?

[void moth]

OHHHH

[elder viper]

or more so he banished himself

[void moth]

Well he did a hell 😏 of a good job surviving

https://tenor.com/view/doom-eternal-commander-valen-the-betrayer-betrayer-doom-gif-25030156

[void moth]

Don’t worry he has a comeback arc

[reef bolt]

[woven siren]

i like having to think on where to go next in a map, but i very much see the appeal with more ilnear levels

[sudden shoal]

Yeah, when it comes to shooters, especially ones like DOOM, I prefer it to be linear. Some shooter games work well as open world games though and if they went linear they probably wouldn’t be as good. Like Fallout or Far Cry for example

[elder viper]

Yeah

[sudden shoal]

Also I will admit, while not all games that are VR or are ported to VR are good, I will say that when I played Skyrim VR and DOOM 3 in VR they were pretty good. Not as good as Vanilla Skyrim and DOOM 3 but still really fun

[elder viper]

Certain games ported to VR are great. I want to play Doom 3 VR but lack a PSVR. Though some games like DOOM VFR just shouldn’t be done. Even some regular VR games are trash

[sudden shoal]

Do you have a VR headset of any kind?

[void moth]

Yo I gotta dm you this lol it’s cool

[void moth]

Elden ring is about the only good open work game out there however it’s technically still very closed and linear level based

[elder viper]

Yeah just saw it. Forgot they had other ranges weapons besides guns

[elder viper]

I have a Oculus Quest 2. Pretty good and pretty cheap for a VR headset as well

[sudden shoal]

Do you have a pc with Sidequest and DOOM 3 BFG edition on it? (Has to be bfg edition cuz that’s the only one able to be ported to VR)

Cuz someone made a port of DOOM 3 you can side load onto your quest

[void moth]

I think the most realistic plot of a prequel would be to follow a sentinel soldier after his scattering in hell and maybe end up in like a platoon or something or just keep surviving solo until they either die or escape hell somehow

[elder viper]

My Oculus is being a little shit recently and refuses to connect to my PC

[sudden shoal]

Damn. Got any other Type C usb cords that could work?

[elder viper]

Here’s the thing. I have the extra long cords for them and I got it to work once with SteamVR but never again has it worked. I don’t think I have any cords that can replace my current one

[sudden shoal]

Damn

[elder viper]

Not to mention every so often the Oculus app on my computer gives a pop up saying that Oculus isn’t working correctly despite the fact it is. Idk while it sucks there are still plenty games on the Quest 2 that are good

[sudden shoal]

Sorry to hear about that man

[elder viper]

Yeah it’s all good I’ve been playing a lot of Bonelab recently

So glad that games on Quest it’s awesome

[elder viper]

They would most likely have to die at the end so as to avoid people saying “oh Night Sentinel guy is still alive whatever happened to him?”

Always disappoints me when a different MC is used in a established series and doesn’t get a solid conclusion

Like Adrian Shepard from Half-Life Opposing Force

[void moth]

And become the projections that tell the slayer where to go in hell from 2016? 🤔

@elder viper what could be a cool death is they all end up finding the slayer somehow and they go fight an entire armada of demon and die one by one in the process or something then you fight with the slayer against some kind of final boss but die at the end of it

[reef bolt]

Truth

[elder viper]

Those Sentinels where just regular Sentinels. They have no real interesting things about them. Personally I would want an interesting protagonist or at the least I have something unique and interesting happen to them

[void moth]

There’s a bunch of sentinels in the lore named

[elder viper]

Ok what about a Sentinel that gets turned into a Marauder and gets bodied by the Slayer at the end of the game? Sentinels are Marauders after all so it fits in lore wise

[void moth]

Lord sash, Roan the mighty, and gor all died fighting demons or their last breath in hell

[void moth]

Lol what if that marauder ends up being the one in arc complex

[elder viper]

Oh boy then he ain’t lasting long

[void moth]

How about the one in immora then

[elder viper]

Well all the Marauders wouldn’t really last long

So it could be the one at ARC Complex

[void moth]

How about he goes into the war at immora and dies to his own kind lol

Maybe by valen 🥰

https://tenor.com/view/doom-eternal-commander-valen-the-betrayer-betrayer-doom-gif-25030156

[copper horizon]

What game is that from?

[reef bolt]

Doom

[void moth]

😂

@copper horizon your joking right?

[nimble loom]

No

[woven siren]

some people haven't played doom eternal

and that gif is in no way doom-y

[void moth]

Eh 🤷‍♂️

Yeah from a perspective yeah it’s not

[wintry knot]

rip doom future

[twin wyvern]

I think about the doom guy in limbo after he had a sleep the limbo was created by dr samur now in an H.P love craftian form able to make a man mad with its appearance now he has to fight through to the limbo to get his abilities (still a god of slaying demons tho) back by fusing with the dead body of davoth and get his god-like abilities and after fusing with davoths body he breaks the limbo and kill samur

the demons in the limbo are connected to hell and being controlled by samur

[tardy quarry]

i think this channel is created to give ideas to the devs without knowing

[glacial dove]

No

[wheat crag]

I mean if Kratos can jump from mythology to mythology, why can't Doomguy jump from hellspawn to eldritch abominations?

[reef bolt]

Gates make it possible for sure

[wheat crag]

true

Although I kinda like the idea of Doomguy working like a comicbook character, where multiple people can make a different series of games that take place in an alternate timeline or smth (like how comicbook artists have "runs" with characters. Except maybe each "run" for Doom would be just a single game or two). Female Slayer in one game, Futuristic Cowboy in another. Each with unique mechanics tied to them, of course. I've started conceptualizing my own ideas for a Doomslinger (futuristic cowboy doomguy) arsenal. Hasn't gotten farther than a couple drawings, but eh

[woven siren]

a doomslinger sounds so cool

high noon drifter (a wild west weapons doom mod) is sick

i'd like to see it in a spin-off but definitely not in a mainline game

[elder viper]

Eh, I kinda like how being the Doom Slayer is something exclusive to Doomguy. Mostly cause we know he is the original guy from the old games it conveyed in 2016 and Eternal how much he changed over time. I think that would be lost if it was alternate versions of him every game. The closest I can see to what your saying is when other companies try rebooting or developing games in a franchise. Like MachineGames Wolfenstein is them having a run with Wolfenstein separate from id Software.

[wheat crag]

fair point

[wheat crag]

That's kinda what I meant. They're more spinoff-based rather than "oh yea, new doomslayer" (technically new doomslayer, but it's not a mainline game, it's a separated reality just meant for novelty and enjoyability
Aaalso, infinite universes, infinite possiblities

[solar crown]

I mean, what powers does "the slayer" even have? Absolutely no reason to give a possible new character just.... not gameplay cause of "lore" which doesnt even exist

[wheat crag]

I mean, I just see it as just a walking bloodbath character who's just too fucking angry to die

Powers are meaningless when you have weapons

[reef bolt]

Classic games*

[wheat crag]

lmao

[wintry knot]

i mean if you count the classic games with how much he kills its not shocking how the doom slayer is a walking brute of godlike powers

he seriously stays in hell in doom 64

[elder viper]

God like is a tad exaggerating. The demons are strong but really only strong in numbers. Fighting one on one there much less of a threat

And Doomguy in the classic games from the maps always either has cover to use or is fighting them in small amounts

So it makes sense that then he was able to clear them out no problem

[wintry knot]

bruh he has inhuman strength lol

he carrys around a arsenal of weapons beating the life out of demons from small to big like as if its a walk in the gym

[wheat crag]

Yea he's definitely not 100% human

[wintry knot]

yeah he once was if he is the doom guy in the classics but even by that original lore he still was pretty wild

[solar crown]

The arsenal teleports into his hands, so that's not really a showup of strength.
He only glorykills demons when they are already knocked out for a second, on thr brink of dead, eh

Like his "lore power" really isnt as strong as people want to believe

[wintry knot]

oh so were lookin at him from playing as him perspective

well then sure lol

[solar crown]

His playing power is roughly his lore power

[wintry knot]

for video game balance yes

[solar crown]

Nah like actually, his ingame power is around the same as his lore power

His realy "power" is being able to dodge enemy attacks like an annoying mosquito. That's how he killed that one titan in the graveyard of 2016

Not because he only needs 2-3 punches to kill him. No it's because he can just dodge his slow attacks and wittle him away

[wintry knot]

[solar crown]

Ok and biological immortality but eh

[elder viper]

Yeah that doesn’t make him a god just cause he’s super strong.

[elder viper]

He’s still human just buffed. He pretty much took holy steroids

[wintry knot]

i guess it dont matter doom dont have future no more 💀

[elder viper]

?. Well from a story stand point there’s more stuff you could cover but TAG2 kinda drove them into a corner there

Dunno what you mean by no future though

[woven siren]

same power level you'd probably expect from a superhero, not a god

not the insanely powerful superheroes either

[elder viper]

Doomguy’s strong but people overestimate him. It’s also again the Praetor Suit that really makes him who is

[copper horizon]

When I first looked at it, it looked like a recreation of the "Portals" scene from Avengers: Endgame, with that one weapon resembling Thor's Stormbreaker axe.

[reef bolt]

Wakwandu foreva

[twin wyvern]

yes

[woven siren]

yeah tbh

[nimble loom]

Thats underselling all of his achievements beforehand

[elder viper]

He’s still overestimated. He’s strong but he’s not a god like so many people say

[nimble loom]

He quite literally is

He was given the power of dooms god

[solar crown]

having some powers of a god doenst make you a god instantly

[feral plover]

Davoth isn't a god, and Doomguy isn't either.

Davoth is only a "god" in the sense that he's responsible for the creation of like, most things. In terms of power Davoth is not omnipotent, unstoppable, or all-powerful. We know this because his own robot kicked his ass.

[solar crown]

Gods dont need to be imnipotent and all powerfull

[wheat crag]

I mean, that's what Demigods are

They're typically not omnipotent or "all powerful"
They're sort of a god, but sort of not. They're more potent and powerful, if you ask me

[nimble loom]

He literally created everything

[feral plover]

1. With machinery, not with god powers.
2. It's very very debatable as to what he actually created anyway. I don't think he created the Earthly realms, or even Jekkad.

Evidence points to him having made the Maykrs, who... made the Earthly realms.

[solar crown]

I meant more gods from greek and indian mythos

[wheat crag]

Fair point, actually

[woven siren]

strong as hell but we need to define what a god is first

the slayer is a strong-ass mf but would get fried when you put him up against other characters considered gods

[nimble loom]

Godlike characters, or characters who actually are gods

[reef bolt]

Doom man

[nimble loom]

Agreed

[woven siren]

characters like dr. manhattan

[nimble loom]

Doctor Manhattan is a very peculiar character

[wintry obsidian]

When do y’all think Id software is gonna make a new doom iteration

I feel like they’re gonna do what they did with doom 3, cuz with doom 3 what they basically did was have a dlc a year after the release, and then had another dlc come out after that, and then a decade later they actually made a new game

I have a feeling that’s kinda what I’d software is gonna do again

Sense so far I’m pretty sure the only doom games to have dlcs are doom 3 and doom eternal (unless you count sigil)

[solar crown]

they're working on a new game, probably quake reboot

[wintry obsidian]

Yeah, ik but it’s almost confirmed not a doom game

Which is why i said only for doom games

[solar crown]

i mean i dont think people really care. modern doom plays a lot like quake anyways and whatever they make is still made by the same guys who made eternal

[wintry obsidian]

Yeah

I Dont particularly care either, but sense this is a doom discord after all

I wonder if there’s a more general I’d software discord

Cuz I’d software is epic

For the most part

??? Why did it say watch my language?

What did I say?

What I said was does id software even make the wolfenstien games anymore

Or did they let machinegames do it and let arcane and Bethesda publish it

[reef bolt]

Machine games works on wolf

[wintry obsidian]

I thought so

Ty

I wonder what they’re gonna do next

Probably a quake game

But then what? Rage 3 maybe?

Also hasnt it been like a decade sense we’ve had an Actual full on new quake game?

[reef bolt]

There's still a wolf 3 coming

[nimble loom]

The fifth main entry into this reboot of a reboot

[feral plover]

I love the new(er) Wolfenstein games

[wintry obsidian]

Lol I for some reason always forget the fact that wolfenstien (the 2d one) exists and how you would technically be right 😭

Just wait until machinegames hands it over to arkane lol

[elder viper]

And watch Arkane either make something good or fuck it up

Cause there last FPS Deathloop was mediocre at best

[elder viper]

Most likely id will make the idTech 8 engine and from there I’m going to guess a Quake 1 reboot or a sequel to Quake 4 judging by the job application they put out saying they need someone to help make “a new entry in a long running FPS franchise”

[elder viper]

It’s been a long time since we’ve gotten any news on Wolf 3. Either the games in development Hell or MachineGames is making one crazy long game

[reef bolt]

I'm guessing hell

[wintry obsidian]

I’m also guessing he’ll

[wintry obsidian]

Like the last 2 reboots lmao 😂

[wintry obsidian]

Oh yeah that’s the one where a bunch of people theorized about the new doom game for like a year

[nimble loom]

You just played god of war, didnt you

[sudden shoal]

Is there anything anybody would wanna see in a future DOOM game? I legitimately wanna know

[solar crown]

More indepth restocking mechanics

That arent just "reload but you need to be near a shitter on a 20 second cooldown", and "look at an enemy and get armour"

[feral plover]

Less gymnastics

More killing demons

[nimble loom]

No

[wintry obsidian]

https://youtu.be/CU0L4--Yh28

Idk what channel to put this In lol

[feral plover]

That’s a cool video

[wintry obsidian]

Agreed

[midnight nexus]

I love nick930

[elder viper]

This guy and Ahoy did great Doom videos

[feral plover]

Hello

[reef bolt]

No one wants this. The aesthetic sound feel and look of classic doom is the reason why so many people love it. There are version and mods of classic doom that you're describing and they all look like dog shit

[wheat crag]

yes

[woven siren]

gzdoom

with some mods

hell if you want better sounds i don't even think you need zdoom

[shadow tinsel]

Doom guy wall running

[nimble loom]

Tactical slide when?

[woven siren]

og doom technically has wall running but it isn't as fun as something like in titanfall or turbo overkill, and you can only use it on specific walls

basically you run twice as fast if you run in a specific direction right next to straight walls

it's an unintended glitch, but very fun

[elder viper]

You guys think we’ll get any news at all regarding a new id Software game at The Game Awards or is it still too early?

[glacial dove]

If we do. It would only be a small teaser

And then next year we would get the full trailer

[elder viper]

I’d be happy with that

[glacial dove]

Think how they showed eternal

Super smal teaser

Then trailer next year

That’s what I would assume they would do it

[elder viper]

Just a little something to get people hyped again would be nice whether it’s Doom or Quake or whatever

[glacial dove]

Imo not doom

Eternal already showed some signs of throwing stuff together hoping it works

They need more time to make a story

[elder viper]

Would gladly take a Quake 1 reboot over a new Doom

[glacial dove]

I would think it’s totally quake

Working on an established thing

I think it’s long since been the days id makes a new game

[elder viper]

They probably don’t really want to considering how RAGE went

[glacial dove]

Rage went well imo 🤷‍♂️

Haven’t played 2 but from my understanding the company that worked on its story was not that good

And rage 1 was built from the scrapped doom 4

[elder viper]

It wasn’t a bad game per say but it wasn’t something people necessarily loved. It has its fans though

Not a huge fan base but fans nonetheless

[glacial dove]

Probably just needs a real company for the story

I heard the gunplay and movement was spot on

I gotta play it at some point

[elder viper]

Some promising games coming soon in the coming years. Good to see

[glacial dove]

Oh 100%

Callisto protocol dec 2

Res evil 4 remake In March

[elder viper]

Atomic Heart February 20th

[glacial dove]

Yee

[reef bolt]

I should actually give rage a go

[glacial dove]

Knowing how you play and like games

Skip rage 1

And play rage 2

From my understanding it isn’t exactly a sequel either so you won’t be missing anything

[reef bolt]

Aight will do

[feral plover]

I started Rage 1 yesterday

[nimble loom]

I got tired of rage halfway through my second playthrough

Rage 2 was way better

[solar forge]

next doom, Snapmap 2 and mod support!!!! make it happen!

[low yacht]

Next doom?
God I hope that's true.

[reef bolt]

Hell ya

[elder viper]

Official mod support would be incredible

[low yacht]

Next DOOM we need more crucible uses

We need sony and id software to do a overlap and make a doom game but there are no enemies, you choose a map and you get to fight kratos.

Only enemies you get are the weakest ones, for ammo and heals

[solar crown]

Rather have an actual good super weapon that more closely fits the main gameplay loop

[mint plinth]

esp a snap map that isn't held hostage by console power.

[solar forge]

i mean, snapmap is ballin now thanks to "mod" tools

even on console

but just a better snapmap overall yes

[elder viper]

Doubt we’ll have the Crucible next game

Also the Crucible is a pretty boring weapon anyway

[reef bolt]

You're a boring weapon

[low yacht]

The crucible is the fucking best bro, it’s the best. Although that’s your opinion so I respect that

[low yacht]

Sad

[elder viper]

😔

[elder viper]

It’s cool in the lore and concept yeah. That cutscene is where Doomguy lowers it into that cat of Argent and pulls out the blade is awesome. Just during gameplay it feels to boring. Just a click and kill. The Tyrant kill with it is awesome though

[solid epoch]

After the arch vile

[elder viper]

Taras Nabad

[spark verge]

yeah I would have loved some more gameplay variety with it rather than just essentially another chainsaw

maybe it could block, or swing quickly but not one hit kill

[elder viper]

There making another movie? Why? Universal have done it twice and fucked up both times

Why not adapt a game that actually has a focus on story? Imagine a Dishonored or Half-Life movie

It’s gonna be ass then.

I would even settle for a live action TV show

What about a show that maybe focuses on the 7 Hour War? There’s a ton of material. Maybe we’ll get stuff like that if that live action BioShock thing Netflix is doing goes well

I have high hopes for that

Oh yeah forgot about that

If they where paid enough they might do it

[feral plover]

I love watching those Doom movies lol

[elder viper]

The Doom movies are really just cheap Alien knock offs especially Annihilation

OH YEAH

Alien 1 is fantastic

[feral plover]

I’m your Ultra Nightmare!

[elder viper]

I fucking love that line. All the stupid references they put in where so dumb it was funny

[reef bolt]

Well doom was supposed to be an alien game so I guess it came full circle

[nimble loom]

Money

There is going to be a portal movie

and portal is set in the half life universe

[drowsy wind]

I really hope so

[reef bolt]

Nah they decided to make millions of dollars have acclaimed games and never make a doom game again

[glacial dove]

Truuu

[feral plover]

True story bro

[feral plover]

doom on atari jaguar !!!

[little zealot]

They ended the story of the slayer

(Spoliers)||the slayer kill his creator and systematically died as a result of it and is laid to rest||

[solar crown]

Not dead

[elder viper]

Doomguy isn’t dead man. He simply lost the powers given by the Divinity Machine which is why he blacked out. He’s being resealed in the coffin so to be used as a weapon if Hell gets loose again

[little zealot]

Ok

[grand dust]

unf

[leaden sierra]

unf

[leaden sierra]

does this mean if he comes back in the next game he'll be weak?

[reef bolt]

He's never been weak

[leaden sierra]

ik but will he lose all his strength and stamina

[elder viper]

Not at all. Doomguy still had above average strength, speed, stamina etc before. The Divinity Machine just boosted those. He’ll still be strong.

Not to mention he still has the Praetor Suit which is enchanted to be incredibly durable

[leaden sierra]

maybe he'll find a way to become more powerful in the next game

[elder viper]

It’s possible

The Divinity Machine in Taras Nabad was totally destroyed so idk how he would gain those powers back

[solar crown]

How do you know this things "will" happen?

Forcing people to be online is only a downside 🤷‍♀️

Or like, screw "keeping people engaged" and just release the fucking game

Live service models usually survive purely off of microtransactions

Or at the least regular dlc for a lot of content

But they dont?

[shy swallow]

I hate that model I'd rather have a complete game at launch then more content is added to that

[solar crown]

How would making this singleplayer game "more engaging" benefit us at all

[shy swallow]

It wouldn't

[solar crown]

By cutting half the content from release

[shy swallow]

Doom with a micro transaction economy would be hell

No

[solar crown]

I think they will get more praise and clout from releasing a full game in 2025 something then a live service model looking at the current game market

[shy swallow]

No because the possibility is that we get less game

Okay please stop joking around

Although if that happens people will shit all over it

Stop joking please

[solar crown]

Yeah ID would loose their already semi-fragile prestige

[solar crown]

Higher management sacked the sound guy

Oh fucking no how horrific of a multibillion company to do that

[solar crown]

Companies be companies

I really don't get how people are shocked that corperate entities make corperate actions

Like you would think atleast after the whole cp2077 fiasco people got it

We have no idea what the behind the scenes at ID truelly are beyond mick

Welcome to business kid

[elder viper]

I mean it was pretty obvious already.

[half canopy]

i want a new quake singleplayer experience

[reef bolt]

Still more shady things to discover. 18 is still really really young👶

They're most likely going to ignore it all and when they release an announcement of a new game in a while all the outrage people will have forgotten and are now outraging about something else

[solar crown]

definitely

or they are as dumb to actually say something

[mint plinth]

I want both Quake and Doom, but i will take Doom over quake

[wary mesa]

What about Wolfenstein?

[elder viper]

Wolfenstein 3 is being developed by MachineGames rn

[elder viper]

I would watch a movie adaptation of Old Blood. That game would be perfect for a movie

[reef bolt]

Video game movies can be really hit or miss. And with the state of movies right now they would probably fuck it up and not even bother with source material or lore from the games

[elder viper]

Can't think of any recent good video game movies. Please name them

Mario movie isn't out yet. You can't count that

Though from the trailers Illumination has been doing a great job on the visuals

The Sonic movies where ok. Just glad Sonic doesn't have his original movie design

Otherwise most other game movies have failed

Doom (2005) and Doom Annihilation where cheap Alien knock-offs at best
From what I've seen the Resident Evil films take little from the games and are just standard zombie movies

Though I did hear that the last Mortal Kombat movie was actually good. Still though for games like Doom that don't have there story as the main focus directors would really have to dig into the lore to find stuff that would please fans.

[feral plover]

Watch the Far Cry movie

[elder viper]

Games with a heavy emphasis on story would be so much better. Half-Life could make a great dystopian action movie. Dishonored would make for an incredible film and BioShock has so much potential for a movie (and is just so happen to have on in the works rn!)

A good Doom movie could maybe take some inspiration from the old Terminator films. Plenty of action there. Have the main protagonist be either Doomguy or the Slayer and have them fight towards some goal. Hell just adapt DOOM 2016 and that would be enough.

Yeah there's potential

sadly rumor has it the sequel to Doom Annihilation is in the works and is gonna have that same woman be the mc. So my hopes for a good Doom movie are non-existent

[reef bolt]

They'll keep making shit movies to hold on to the rights until they have a decent script if ever. Studios do that all the time.

[elder viper]

Doom Annihilation could have been good if they listened to what fans wanted

Instead they made a shitty Alien rip off and the characters suck

For a movie that’s supposed to be based off of DOOM 2016 it’s closer to Doom 3

Why is Betruger the villain and not Olivia?

[reef bolt]

I don't think they have the rights to the characters of new doom

[elder viper]

That makes sense

The acting is also abysmal. The main character is annoying and unlikeable. And the rest of the cast dies anyway so they don’t matter

[feral plover]

The girl with the blue hair is so edgy!

[ebon forge]

Is there gonna be another doom

?

[nimble loom]

No

[reef bolt]

Never. Doom is bad

[elder viper]

Maybe. Probably. It’s a good money maker

[ebon forge]

fuck you

[reef bolt]

Yo mama

Also you're some sort of dipshit if you think ID would make 100s of millions of dollars and then never make a doom game again. Special kind of stupid right there

[quick holly]

Yeah they made a eternal for a reason

[tender cedar]

fuck him all you want you cant unbad the doom

[ebon forge]

Yo why do people hate doom in the doom server

[feral plover]

Food Eaters man

[reef bolt]

They don't you just don't know what sarcasm is

[elder viper]

j o k e

[nimble loom]

Because it bad

[woven siren]

all doom bad

[feral plover]

This server is really more for those who despise everything about Doom

[ebon forge]

me

[elder viper]

Development on Eternal has stopped so we won’t be getting new DLC

Doom 3’s good

[reef bolt]

Apparently they didn't even bother to release the master levels that had already baked in the game let alone a dlc haha

[solar crown]

tbf they where around arc-complex level

so i get why they didnt wanna release that

[feral plover]

I’d say Eternal has more than enough content

[elder viper]

Yeah. Just make a new game at that point. The Ancient Gods is all we really need

[feral plover]

Mighty doom the mobile game

[feral plover]

Learn sarcasm

[reef bolt]

Learn to get gud if you think doom 3s combat is trash

Might as well wear a sign saying I play like poopie

You're just not playing it like one. Nothing stops you from playing fast and destroying every room. If you play slow the games slow

3 has fast swaps and you can crush the game in 5 hours easily

The thing about 3 is if you go in like a horror game and you're looking for action you're going to have a bad time

I'll show you an example

https://youtu.be/9Mj18yvxlus

https://youtu.be/H2arsYpEgiM

It makes sense because 3 really tries to get the player to play passively. I will admit that

[feral plover]

Eat Food

Air Breather

[languid urchin]

they should add doomguy to fortnite

little bit of trolling

[languid urchin]

nvm the doomguy really comes to fortnite

[feral plover]

No one likes a food eater

[languid urchin]

They can

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/751094348904398919/1048722188406104084/Fortnite_-_A_New_Beginning_JW-KIbV9PRU_-_1920x1080_-_1m12s.png

This should convice

[feral plover]

No one likes a chicken tender promoter

[languid urchin]

It gets them a lot of money

[solar crown]

mutually beneficial

fortnite gets extra sales because popular character sales

game gets extra sales and licensing money

also ngl i lowkey hate the crucible, it's solely a marketing tool but ingame it's so utterly shite

[feral plover]

Below the belt!

[vagrant kraken]

Oh
My
God
Yes

[reef bolt]

Some good advertising at least

[elder viper]

Not really. Most of the weapons are great.

[valid osprey]

And doom eternal was on sale soo…

[carmine mango]

Why? Just why is Fortnite?

[elder viper]

It’s free publicity for Doom that’s a good thing

[hollow solar]

true

[warped swan]

I'm really excited for that

[tired tide]

I might get Fortnite and buy doom slayer skin to never play, just to have

Not play Fortnite at all, just be like "I have the Doom Slayer in Fortnite."

[solar crown]

Why not just buy a cookie

Sure it wont last long but it atleast is tasty which is infinitely better then piterally throwing it away

[tired tide]

But doom

[languid urchin]

i think doom slayer in fortnite is better

[tired tide]

You don't get to see doom guy all too much in game

[languid urchin]

yup

[worldly bolt]

huge missed opportunity not having daisy as the backpack

[stiff hatch]

The real question is, will there be a Doom music pack in fortnite?

[feral plover]

The real question is “mild or hot salsa?”

[tired tide]

Glory Kill other players! 🤣

[tired tide]

Hot salsa

[tropic seal]

Glory Kill Goku fr

[tired tide]

True, rip the spine out of Naruto

[oak garden]

no

[languid urchin]

It doesn't look bad

The skin looks super detailed ang all the other cosmetics are detailed aswell

[oak garden]

The Slayer running around with the crucible as a harvesting tool instead of a Chainsaw is really Weird to me.

[languid urchin]

But think, there is a infinity gauntlet pickaxe

[oak garden]

We don't talk about that

[languid urchin]

And the fortnite lore says that all the fortnite skins are just duplicates of og things

And that is exactly why none of the skins in fortnite don't speak

And also their weapons that they have with them dont work as intended

[solar crown]

Crucible is the marketing tool so it makes sense from a business standpoint

Not like the crucible is really anything else

[reef bolt]

It slices it dices it makes French fries

[ripe pine]

I haven't played Fortnite since before the battle Royale released but I decided to try it again for the doom slayer skin and to spend time with my little brother. We played the no build mode and had a blast. They really did a good job with all the details and the cacodemon is your glider! So cool. Thought I was going to hate it but they did him justice

[ruby jungle]

Fr the skin has amazing details and his backbling and pic is cool

[solar crown]

If only it had a chainsaw instead of the crucible

[ruby jungle]

Fr that would of been way better now that i think about it

[ripe pine]

I'm OK with the crucible. I think perhaps the reason they used the crucible is because they could seamlessly rig the model with the skeletons without too much hassle. A chain saw might have taken too much effort for them, or maybe it might have required sound effects or particle effects that could affect gameplay. Just some theories, though. Maybe one day?

[solar crown]

Also the crucible is bethesda's big marketing tool

It's nothing else so yeah

[stiff hatch]

We got the Buzz Saw launchers as the closest thing to an actual chainsaw

Using that as the Slayer in creative PvP box matches feels great

[elder viper]

Doubt it was due to particles. Maybe since The Crucible was in so much of Eternals promotional material it just made sense to pick it over the chainsaw. While the chainsaw is iconic to the Doom community The Crucible would probably be more recognizeable to the public from Eternals trailers.

[reef bolt]

People complained they didn't get to use the demonic crucible at the end of 2016 so they gave them it. It was fan service. But I guess that did turn into a hype marketing tool. Still enjoy using it though

[ripe pine]

Yeah from a marketing standpoint the crucible makes more sense to me. I also would wonder if the chainsaw would add to the age rating?? Like if it had bloody paint or spewed blood when revving.

[elder viper]

Just don’t add blood and a chainsaw shouldn’t impact the age rating

[elder viper]

Those maps would not translate well into a modern engine

Not to mention Final Dooms “story” sucks since it mostly focuses on maps

[feral plover]

Specific 😆

[solar crown]

ok so you wanna adapt the games into.... completely different games

[elder viper]

There’s not enough to work with. They would have to heavily alter map and enemy AI. Plutonia was made with a deep understanding standing of Dooms enemy AI

[reef bolt]

Plutonias story is pretty great tnt not so much haha

[sly atlas]

not complaining about getting the crucible as a tool in Fortnite, but they have actually done chainsaws as pickaxes

[solar crown]

hammer then still better then the crucible

[hybrid hedge]

waiting for the release of doom 17

[spice moss]

wow guys, like, if there's Doom 64, then why is there not a Doom 63 and a Doom 62 and a Doom 61 and a Doom 60 and a Doom 59 and a-

[feral plover]

Food Eater

[elder viper]

Only joke in #the-future

[carmine mango]

could there be larger enimies in the next doom?

the devs said in an interview that you'll "feel more like a truck"

[spice moss]

this is #the-future ?

[winged patio]

Bethesda Should add the brutal doom mods kills to the new game and the doom guy middle fingering thing

[elder viper]

Dunno about larger enemies. I think the largest non boss enemy we’ll get is the Tyrant.

[elder viper]

The middle finger thing is edgy and weird. It doesn’t need to be there

[reef bolt]

Well that explains everything

[feral plover]

Mighty doom

[calm shore]

fortnite will be added to doom (real)

[feral plover]

This m'en don't lie fr (not real)

[nimble loom]

Wolferine will be abbed to doom

From marvip

[woven siren]

from the quake 2 game x-mans: ravagers of a pocket lisp??? 🤯

[bold hare]

Furry sex will be added to doom

[robust lynx]

I’m creating my own doom game concept

Wait, is doom eternal a prequel or a sequel

[solar crown]

A sequel

[robust lynx]

Oh ok

Cause I thought the slayer being put into a coffin at the end of tag 2 and a similar coffin being the one the slayer was in at the beginning of doom 2016 might’ve meant smth

[solar crown]

Well yeah but it's a parallel, not THAT coffin

[robust lynx]

Oh ok

You want a quick elevator pitch for the concept so far

[solar crown]

Why not

[robust lynx]

Shit I fell asleep

[heady mantle]

well, i kinda have my own predictions of what might happen

at the beginning, Samur Maykr, now only partially corrupted and under the command of the disembodied Father, will do the blood swamp trials of magog to ressurrect the slayer

[blissful thicket]

Didn’t he try to kill us in TAG 1?

Oh I see

[heady mantle]

then, i unno, some story, im not getting that specific. in the arachnotron entry in the codex it mentions a factory running autonomously, infinitely creating more arachnotrons

we go there and fuck that up at some point

in some of the comics in the slayers room on the ship it shows some cool stuff. could fight those guys.

basically any antagonists pulled from the codex entries that we never see in game, could be in there

the dudes who made the Spectres, the dudes those purple screamer zombies worshipped

those are just vague ideas tho

i also hope we get. A) double blade chainsaw from doom 64. and B) the two headed pain elemental from doom 64

i also seem to remember somewhere it being mentioned that the final boss of doom 64, the mother demon, has a sister. i forget where that was tho

[elder viper]

There was an expansion for Doom 64 that was a pre order bonus for Eternal. Apparently the final boss of that expansion was The Mother Demons sister

And in typical classic Doom fashion they both use the same sprite

[elder viper]

Yeah idk why Samur would have any motivation to release the guy that almost killed him

Highly doubt he’ll free Doomguy. And he was able to reach the sanctum without doing the trial so there’s no point for him to do it at all

[heady mantle]

1 change of heart
2 father trying to use him again
3 father thinks he has/does have some form of binding spell to force the slayer to do his bidding
4 he could get to the sanctum, but couldnt use any of the soul spheres without completing it, which is what made the slayer doing it necessary
5 also he would still br partially corrupted and may not have access to the same maykr technology that allowed him to get there the first time

just the first things that come to mind, at the very least im sure he'll be involved in the next game what with him being not dead

[elder viper]

The Slayer isn’t in a soul sphere. Also I don’t think The Father was using Samur. If anything it was Samur who was trying to use the Fathers power to save himself from corruption

[heady mantle]

i meant the father trying to use the slayer

and having samur do his bidding because, hes just a disembodied presence

im sure his loyalty would be further enforced by the father saving him at the end of tag1

[elder viper]

The Father had no idea what Doomguy’s true intentions where though. He didn’t know Doomguy was trying to resurrect Davoth.

[heady mantle]

well ye but it wouldnt be outside the realm of possibility that the father would want to use the slayers abilities in the future

[elder viper]

Doomguy lost his powers at the end of TAG2 though

[heady mantle]

you could also argue that the entire deal with the father becoming vega and samur becoming samuel was all a manipulation to eventually get the slayer to revive his physical form

[solar crown]

as if that really matters, doomguy doesnt have that many powers that arent either in his suit or just gameplay features

[heady mantle]

also, did he? to me it seems like he just got a big unconscious, hibernation situation

[solar crown]

confirmed that he has no powers anymore iirc

cause davoth powered it

[heady mantle]

also not true. he was put through the divinity machine to gain godlike strength and agility, etc

[elder viper]

Pretty sure that’s cause all that power given by The Divinity Machine came rushing out of him at once

[heady mantle]

also "for he alone held the power to draw strength from the blood of his enemies" in one of the slayer tablets in 2016

[solar crown]

guess by what it was powered

[solar crown]

fun fact that is actually the slayer's suit, taking energy out of the demons and using it for hp

[heady mantle]

well, hes gotta come back somehow. i dont think theyre just gonna end the franchise here, or swap protsgonists when hes not dead

[solar crown]

probably new protagonist who gotta get him out

[heady mantle]

again i dont think this is true, he swapped suits between doom 2016 and eternal

[solar crown]

he didnt really swap it, he tinkered on the suit

as seen in the slayer's mancave (which ik isnt supposed to be entirely taken canon but still)

[elder viper]

There the same suit he just modified it

[heady mantle]

i also dont think he had the praetor suit yet when he went through the divinity machine

plus hes straightup immortal, is it the suit that does that too?

[solar crown]

he's biologically immortal

which davoth's "piece of power" probably did do

[feral plover]

How convuluted

[ripe pine]

Sorry wasn't paying attention to this but I don't entirely suspect the Slayer lost all of his power. What was stored at Ingmore's Sanctum? Life spheres - vanquished gods all sitting, waiting. Why would they place a human there, regardless of his prior stature? Also...I can't help but think about the way he looks at his hands. It's like the sudden weight of it all was too much. Perhaps the fragment of Davoth that was truly killed reunited with that of the fragment imbued in the Doom Slayer, and now he alone carries the entirety of what Davoth is/was (hence lines from 'He is you, in their world'). The Maykrs are likely going to follow the path that Davoth took in their destruction