doom-2016

[spice cedar]

For movement it's really just a matter of getting used to how the game feels. Later on you will however unlock a rune that enhances your air movement. As for the secrets there really isn't a solution aside from just trying your hardest to explore the nooks and crannies of the map. You will however unlock double jump boots that will allow you to access new areas.

Don't forget you can always go back to a map to find the secrets you missed. It's very handy if you just wanna play the whole story first then go for 100%

On another note: don't bother playing the Classic maps you don't get an achievement for playing them and they're both really jank and unbalanced

[halcyon barn]

^this

[spice cedar]

Just play Doom 1993 and Doom II on your favorite sourceport and that will do just fine

[spice cedar]

Yeah lmao I found out the hard way

At least I'm never touching those ever again

By the way I forgot to say this but I beat the main campaign yesterday

I actually beat the Spider Mastermind in one try on my playthrough of Argent D'Nur but got my ass kicked when I came back for secrets

[spice cedar]

My plan's to play the maps I didn't unlock everything in and do all the weapon master tasks or whatever they're called. After that I'll start Eternal and I might come back to 2016 for other achievements

[halcyon barn]

yeah, usually first playthrough goes better as you tend to relax a bit more for the second one and get utterly destroyed

[woeful fulcrum]

Guys, why can't I play multiplayer in doom 2016? was it closed?

[spice cedar]

I was utterly clueless and somehow that's a better strat than going in knowing what's about to happen

[spice cedar]

It's still up but nobody plays anymore

The game's 8 years old after all and Doom Eternal's been here for 4 years

[peak meteor]

if ur on console, then yeah its dead

on pc its still kinda active

[peak meteor]

did the same kinds thing as you, but i wanted to challange myself by beating ultra nightmare before moving onto eternal

achievements arent important to me, especially since alot of them are bound to multiplayer

[spice cedar]

I feel like if I really wanted to I'd do that but if I keep replaying the same maps I'll end up burnt out on the game

It happened to me when I played Classic Doom

I played Doom 1993 and Doom II back to back about three times under different conditions and I regret it because I had no energy to deal with Final Doom and Doom 64 afterwards

[peak meteor]

no ur def right, kept on replaying the same first few lvls before i was able to adjust

the first few lvls are harder than than normal just cuz the slayer is so weak at the beginning

however, at the mid point of the game thats when it feels more "easier" even tho not really cuz a spit on the face could lead to your death

i will say, when i started eternal, they are wayyyy more generous with health drops than 2016

cuz during my ultra nightmare run, glory killing was more of a disadvantage cuz if your health is not very low, you will always get like 5+ hp back

and if ur not careful, a fireball from an imp would end you

[spice cedar]

That's a good point tbh, I'm always inclined to glory kill my opponents because oooh shiny weak enemy but in truth if I'm good on health and armor I'd rather just kill them the old fashioned way. I did notice glory kills do leave me vulnerable at times which is not that important in UV but if I ever play nightmare I'm gonna need better judgement if I want to pull through.

[peak meteor]

indeed, especially since they do massive damage

one of their fireball attacks on nightmare deals ljke 75 dmg

glory kill only when necessary, so when low on hp or take adavtage of its invulnerability to avoid a damaging attack

even so, avoid glory killing duing early game since it really does leave you vunverable, especially to the gunner dudes and their annoying ass charge attack

[spice cedar]

Honestly those soldiers are really strong and it's especially apparent if you play the Underhalls Classic map

The sole reason why I struggled so much against that map was those guys

They make up like 80% of the total monsters there

I had to genuinely wait all of them out since I had to rely on the Pistol lmao

A map that I'd clear in like 5 minutes in Doom II took about half an hour in 2016

Truth be told though the best incarnation of the Pistol is definitely 2016's, it's good for sniping and the infinite ammo is always nice to have

[peak meteor]

pistol is nice for the first few lvls but afterwards, becomes too inferior and weak

the infinite ammo is cool, but the dmg is so low its not really worth it tbh

just chainsaw at tha point

also, the demons of 2016 do not translate well to the classic maps

i tried playing the underhall map and just couldnt

[spice cedar]

It makes some of those maps really hard

E2M6 haunts me to this day

[peak meteor]

i dont bother doing the classic maps anymore

too much of an annoyance

[frail marlin]

You need a bit more than one fully charged shot to stagger a possessed soldier I think

[cursive sapphire]

How can I have help killing the hell gaurds of un

[peak meteor]

keep on the move, always strafe and never go foward unless the hell guards are stunned

[smoky valve]

circling them is the best thing you can do

they like foward rushing you a lot

[peak meteor]

also, when they are charging their big yellow orb, shoot at it with heavy weapons, itll stun the guard

i like to use both the gauss cannon and rocket launcher

siege mode on the gauss cannon breaks the orb too but you have to be quick to react

[cursive sapphire]

Ok thanks

[keen cedar]

could anyone help me get multiplayer trophies on doom 2016 pc?

[peak meteor]

wish i coupd, but im not gonna be home for a while

i hate it when games lock some trophies behind multiplayer

[celest moon]

It's worse if the online servers are shutdown

[peak meteor]

trueeee

[keen cedar]

you can get them w out multiplayer

j figured out how today but yeah its so lame when games have achivements behind a dead multiplayer

[bronze shale]

I thought the Pistol wasn't bad. Not anything impressive, but not unusable! Then Dazed & Confused happened... I MAY be biased towards the easier use of the Shotgun or Plasma Rifle. But this thing and its pinpoint accuracy are SHIT.

[bronze shale]

I have realized that this may be both a skill issue, and the fact that I'm playing on a console...

[crimson summit]

i find it funny how you can just gauss a hell guard and it interrupts 90% of their attacks

not gonna sugarcoat it

[distant seal]

which map does rip and tear play in

[maiden urchin]

pretty sure last 2 levels?

[distant seal]

o

[elder meadow]

Anyone playing rn?

[wispy hedge]

did you mean to chat in #doom-3?

[cursive sapphire]

BFG Division hits different

Im a drummer so this is bad to the bone for me

[empty reef]

Yo same, I’m not a very good drummer I’m quite new, about a year, but I am not ever giving up

I have an electric kit with really small pads so it is hard to practice

[cursive sapphire]

Yeah. I've been drumming for about 4 years. I have acoustic. But I'm putting time into drumline

[empty reef]

My parents are thinking about getting me an acoustic when we move house soon, especially my mum, she said we can soundproof a room

[cursive sapphire]

Yeah

[spice cedar]

I think I have a slight problem

I unlocked all the runes in the campaign but I didn't get the achievement for it

does anyone know a way to get that achievement without replaying the entire game?

[celest moon]

try doing them all again

i can't think of any other way

[spice cedar]

Guys what's a Saving Throw

[prisma egret]

Hey, is there a troubleshooting channel? Trying to launch the game, it loaded OK when I first downloaded it, I had to head out, now I just get a black screen?

I tried +renderAPI 1, that did nothing, I have the latest c++ redist, anything else I can do?

Never mind, found it #community-support

[frosty bluff]

A Rune that prevents one (two if upgraded) fatal blow per life, slowing down time and making you invincible for a brief period after said blow.

It’s pretty much only useful on UN, otherwise it’s a niche pick at best.

[spice cedar]

I ended up figuring it out but thanks

sometimes the rune upgrade requirements are simply unclear whether or not they're general conditions or conditions that only apply with the rune equipped

anyway I got all secrets / exploration feats, IDKFA and IDDQD on Ultra Violence

this is UV max imho

idk if I'm gonna start playing Eternal tomorrow or anything

[sudden compass]

eternal is lowkey fire🗣️🔥

[spice cedar]

That remains to be seen.

A faster pace doesn't always mean a better gameplay

[north nova]

In 2 years DOOM 2016 will be a decade old

[spice cedar]

And truth be told I'm glad I played 2016 first as practice

[spice cedar]

Goddammit dude I'm getting old

[north nova]

Fr

[sudden compass]

you would get better by playing DE first because its harder, isnt it??

not sure but isnt it harder

[spice cedar]

From what I'm hearing yes, the game's harder

And I probably would get better

But it would be a steeper learning curve

[proper ermine]

Its not just a blatant harder tbh. Its that theres MORE to do and more to master which makes it seem harder. If you master the game it becomes easier than 2016 some may say. But thats through mastery

[spice cedar]

I don't know how much easier than 2016 the game can be tbh

2016 has Rich Get Richer, it can't get much easier than that

[peak meteor]

so true, after i finished masterint UN in 2016, moving onto eternal was a huge jump for me

wayy more to keep track of than in 2016

[proper ermine]

Yuh. 2016 gives alot of op runes and upgrades

[peak meteor]

rich get richer and the rune that gives bfg ammo really were op*

plus the bgf + weapon scroll

[proper ermine]

Dont even get me started on the bfg weapon wheel glitch on bosses bruh 😭

[peak meteor]

bro i was so tempted to use thag glitch during my UN run when i was fighting the spidermastermind

but i wanted to beat it how it was intended and not cheese the game

regardless, i got like 5 bfg ammo throughout the boss fight cuz of the rune so its not liked it even mattered

[crimson summit]

rich get richer was diabolical because of its power

[proper ermine]

I love diabolical

[crimson summit]

if rune upgrades were in eternal it would become quite funny

punch and reave giving armor too would be broken

[proper ermine]

Imagine savagery making glory kills faster than faster 🤔🤔

[crimson summit]

equipment fiend allows you to gain overcharge on your equipment if there is excess charge regain, holding more than 1 or 2 charges or making the equipment stronger

best upgrade rune fr fr

[cyan root]

16

[peak meteor]

20

[remote copper]

yo, got a quick query here. im out to 100 percent the game & im shy two achievments. can i ask, does the memorable performence gold trophy have to be done in a public game for it to pop?

[open tinsel]

just wondering, does anyone still play DOOM (2016) multiplayer? lookin for players

[remote copper]

i'm others

[open tinsel]

add me on steam same name

[remote copper]

done

[spice cedar]

There's a Steam group for those who want to schedule multiplayer sessions for the game. You will see its link if you scroll up hard enough.

There it is. I wonder if someone's willing to pin it.

[deft patio]

I'm up for mp. Want the achievements and happy to help others get them as well. I'm on xbox

[swift elbow]

Started messing around in SnapMap for the first time... Anyone still playing those?

[peak meteor]

i dont think so, unfortunately

i wish there was, seemed like fun to play with friends

[swift elbow]

I'm always on the lookout for more things that support coop play. Too bad that means tighter limits in SnapMap - I'm already over 99% of the memory limit.

[celest moon]

I hate the memory limit

[swift elbow]

I managed to scrape up a little bit more memory by doing stuff like removing sounds from some rooms. Spent all it adding more special effects.

[swift elbow]

@peak meteor @celest moon I put some screenshots over in #d2016-modding.

[peak meteor]

looks clean as fuck

[swift elbow]

Thanks. Trying to make sure there are no bugs before I publish it.

[elder meadow]

i used that weapon mod thingy field drone that was flying away and it took me with it

did i break my progression or its fine

[bronze shale]

Was revisiting an unfinished level, I now have a choice. Precision Bolt or Siege Mode? Gauss Cannon is the only weapon without a mod, haven't gotten Chaingun yet.

On the topic of weapon mods, are there enough drones to get everything? Or do I have to be careful about picks?

[peak meteor]

siege mode, easily

[swift elbow]

I think there are enough drones to get everything. I'm getting close to the end of the campaign and only have 2 mods left to get.

[peak meteor]

also, yes there are enough drones to get all weapon mods

id say for me, the most important mods/strongest ones are siege mode for gauss cannon, lock on for rocket launcher, grenade for shotgun, missle launcher for assault rifle, and stun bomb for plasma gun

idk about the chaingun mods, never used it alot but when i did, i think the one where it turns into a turret is the better mod

[bronze shale]

This is gonna sound dumb, because Quad Damage makes anything good at killing. But I'm only missing Overkiller for Argent Tower challenges. Have everything but Chaingun and BFG. What's got the best crowd potential?
Explosive Shot(Everything)
Both SSG Improvements(no Mastery)
Micro Missles(Ammo Efficient)
Stun Bomb(Everything)
Heat Blast(Super Heated Rounds, Expanded Threshold)
Seige Mode(Nothing)
Lock-on Burst(Nothing)

[bronze shale]

Gotta do the Tower again to get Overkiller... Or should I just say screw it, and come back when power-ups have a longer duration?

[bronze shale]

Well, Hell is definitely... Not a great time. The UAC areas were a warm up, make the player feel powerful! This is a fight for survival, where none of my weapons matter... And Eternal is literally this right out the gate and AMPLIFIED, right? I must be doing something wrong! There's no way I'm on ITYTD and getting my ass kicked. I have yet to actually die to a demon, but I am taking significant damage...

By the way, I has Chaingun now! This thing any use here?

[smoky valve]

could be how you invest argent cells

[smoky valve]

it dishes out good damage but quick swap overshadows it by far

[swift elbow]

Ugh, game is freezing a LOT while I try to play! Doesn't matter if I run it fullscreen, borderless, OpenGL, Vulkan... Any ideas?

[smoky valve]

specs are probably just not fit for it

[bronze shale]

Been focused on Health and Armor for cells. 4 in Health, 3 in Armor, and 2 in Ammo.

[swift elbow]

My specs:

• Intel Core i7-4770
• Nvidia GTX 1050 Ti
• 24 GB of RAM
  I'm pretty sure my system can handle it.

Edit: Recommended specs:
"Processor: Intel Core i7-3770
Memory: 8 GB RAM
Graphics: NVIDIA GTX 970 4GB"

[bronze shale]

I try and use SSG, Gauss Cannon, and the Rocket launcher. But ammo can feel tricky sometimes.

[bronze shale]

Hit the point where it's SSG close up, Cannon at range... Is it normal to get stuck in a loop like this, and the mindset that only the couple strongest weapons matter?

[midnight shard]

Hi bros someone wants to play doom multiplayer?

[crystal stone]

thats normal, and the biggest critique of doom 2016, they hadnt quite got the combat loop down, you have too much ammo, and theres no reason not to use the strongest weapons even if its not fun because the game rewards you for it. try playing with some resrtictions to kind of emulate eternals combat loop, like using a different weapon for each new enemy so you have to constantly switch

[swift elbow]

I swear it's getting worse. I can't even do a whole run through my 7-minute snapmap without it freezing.

[maiden urchin]

what graphical settings do you play on

considering GPU I'd go with low/medium settings

[swift elbow]

@maiden urchin I put it on Ultra just because even on Ultra it's a buttery-smooth 60 FPS. I can give it a shot, though.

[maiden urchin]

I'm saying that cause i also had an GTX 1050 Ti , although with worse CPU but my fps was fluctuating between 44 and 90+

[swift elbow]

Good to know, trying it now.

Got through one run, let's try a few more just to be sure.

[swift elbow]

Still hasn't frozen, thanks for the tip.

[maiden urchin]

no problem, just sharing experience

[slow spindle]

Hello

[peak meteor]

𝓗𝓮𝓵𝓵𝓸

[swift elbow]

After some testing, I think I've found the specific setting that's causing the freezing we've seen: "Virtual Texturing Page Size" being too high. I think the other settings are all harmless.

[maiden urchin]

that makes sense considering that it has 4 Gb VRAM

[swift elbow]

Very weird that the game wants to default to mostly-medium settings with ultra VTP Size, when it should be closer to the other way around.

[slate anchor]

while i was using the bfg weapon wheel pause on the cyberdemon, my fucking computer crashed and i had to press ctrl+alt+del to restart my pc while in the game's window

how tf does that even happen💀

[crimson summit]

i have never had that problem

[gleaming crown]

Ку всем

Я рус

[sly condor]

Uhhh what

[sudden compass]

нет

[gleaming crown]

Im am russian

[sudden compass]

Nice english

[gleaming crown]

You to bro

[sudden compass]

[gleaming crown]

[slow spindle]

[peak meteor]

skill issue

[slate anchor]

real

[real lotus]

Hi folks! New here! Weird i'm trying to socialize through a single player game, but DOOM was just way too good.

DOOM is truly a gift to humanity

VEGA central processing is one of the best levels I've ever played

[slate anchor]

mission is kinda short ngl

titans realm was goated

same with kadingir sanctum, destroyed uac facility and advanced research complex

[real lotus]

titan's realm was very easy

kadingir is iconic. even the name is sexy

[pure ether]

hi, i’ve been having problems with loading doom. when i enter the main menu, my audio starts to cut out, then my frame rate drops and the game freezes, but the audio still plays. my pc specs are up to standard. i have 8gb of ram, gtx 970, intel i3-8100.

[real lotus]

I love that moment in lazarus labs where the UAC spokesperson suddenly starts speaking gibberish xD

[real lotus]

"can it run doom?" moment

[pure ether]

it used to be able to run it fine lol

i just got the vacuum rune

[real lotus]

is your house clean now? (jk)

[pure ether]

no

pc exploded and burned it down

[real lotus]

:3

[pure ether]

is there a way to send images?

[real lotus]

did you change your headphones or something?

[pure ether]

no, they’re the same

[real lotus]

doom has a weird issue with wireless headphones

[pure ether]

yeah they’re wireless

but i’ve been using them a lot

[real lotus]

I had to disable the mic and "handsfree" option in sound control manager to get the sound working

but I never got any crashes

[pure ether]

well the sound isn’t my problem

it’s the freezing

[real lotus]

if you have it in steam you can try rechecking game integrity or reinstalling altogether

[pure ether]

i might try that

when doom freezes it ends up making my whole pc freeze

[real lotus]

shit that sucks

[pure ether]

and i can’t do anything except turn my pc off

[real lotus]

yeah that doesn't sound healthy for the pc

[pure ether]

it certainly isn’t

but i’ve got no other choice

[real lotus]

did you change the rendering stuff - openGL or vulkan - anytime recently?

I have never seen such an option in other games, probably that messed up yours?

openGL should generally be easily compatible

[pure ether]

i haven’t at all

internet went down but that’s it

[hybrid hound]

fr

[real lotus]

is it working now?

[spice light]

Привет

[untold sluice]

Someone help me get the trophies online on ps4, please?

[swift elbow]

Anyone like to try my Snapmap? I need to see if players will get lost, or if I've made things clear enough.

[spice cedar]

If it's for the Steam version then I might try it out tonight

In like 10-11 hours

[swift elbow]

It is. Thanks!

[spice cedar]

Never touched snapmap in my life though how am I supposed to get a hold of your snapmap

[swift elbow]

I'm new to this myself, but AFAIK we could friend each other on Steam and I could invite you. Or you might see it in the Review Queue (it's named "Entry [beta.3]").

[spice cedar]

Sorry for the late answer. Add me, my Steam's on my Discord

[swift elbow]

No worries. Got you added.

[pure ether]

yep

just had to uninstall and install

[slate anchor]

How to make your game crash on pc (just like mine of what happened in doom 2016)
Step 1. Get to the lazarus mission
Step 2. Encounter the cyberdemon/tyrant
Step 3. Use the bfg weapon wheel pause
Congratulations! You have now crashed your computer and will now have to press ctrl+alt+delete in the games window just to restart your pc

No joke this actually happened to me and i have no idea why or how

[maiden urchin]

that's weird as i played game on 4 different systems now with wildly different specs and it never crashed on me

[peak meteor]

the bfg wheel pause crashes ur game?

weird, ive done it plenty of times yet my pc is fine

[slow spindle]

Finished doom 2016 with all the collectibles in this second play. Damn eternal does teach you to be one aggressive fast player

[swift elbow]

That's what classic old FPS games all used to be like. Hyperactive running speeds with no stamina bar to slow you down, no reloading, no recharging health or armor and to encourage you to hide, and no leaning or cover mechanics to encourage you to hold a position. No, they said "I'm letting you run fast enough to dodge most projectiles, if you stop moving you're toast".

[maiden urchin]

yeah, usually comes along with equally powerful and memorable soundtrack and deliver the kind of experience modern FPS games pretty much forgot

good thing 2016 reignited the spark

[slow spindle]

2016 feels better

[swift elbow]

Than Eternal? Sure, fair. But IMHO, 2016 kind of breaks the "classic FPS flow state" a little bit with the glory kill system. Every single time, it forces you to stand still and wait for almost a whole second, which doesn't feel as good as never stopping. It's short enough to not be bad, but it still slows you down. The Unreal Tournament equivalent of a glory kill would be shooting someone point-blank with a flak cannon (or perhaps a secondary hit with the chainsaw), which takes like 0.1 seconds tops and doesn't nail your feet to the floor.

[slow spindle]

I enjoyed eternal flow of how things were done fast but 2016 ambient was better but still both enjoyable

[swift elbow]

Eternal's not bad, it just doesn't really feel like a Doom game to me, if that makes any sense? Whereas 2016 was almost as pure Doom as you can get, despite the stuff they changed.

[maiden urchin]

even if you say that, both games are closer to quake than doom

[swift elbow]

Yeah, agree with you there. I guess I don't mind that since I liked Quake slightly more than Doom.

[slate anchor]

that was the only time it caused it

uses bfg weapon wheel
game crashes
gets so severe that i had to press ctrl+alt+delete to restart my pc

being the sda

[peak meteor]

yikes

[peak meteor]

honestly ive been curious regarding the quake series, heard good things about it

which quake would u recommend for a beginner

[swift elbow]

@peak meteor I loved the original Quake as a kid. It had a unique grunge-tech-meets-dark-fantasy aesthetic that the rest of the series didn't follow through on, and its maps were made by some of the most talented folks in the industry. Keep an eye out not just for secrets, but whole secret levels and even a secret extra-hard difficulty! If you're ok with its admittedly dated graphics, I'd say try that one first.
Quake 2 is also good, easier on the eyes, nice lighting effects. Gameplay is a bit more polished. Maps aren't quite as iconic IMHO, nor as diverse. From Quake 2 onward, they dropped the dark fantasy elements of the first game to focus on a race of enemy cyborgs and their body horror.
Quake 3 Arena was fun and looked good, but it didn't have a singleplayer campaign.
Quake 4 was pretty forgettable to me, but it has its moments. Built on the same engine as Doom 3, so if that unique stencil-shadow look is what tickles your nostalgia, could be worth a try, otherwise I'd say it's skippable.
So yeah, my recommendation: Try Quake 1, and if it's just too old for you, try Quake 2 instead.

[peak meteor]

will do, thanks 👍

[frail marlin]

I can no longer take the "hello! I am Vega" moment where you're locked in before a level having to listen to someone. Is there a mod to skip it? Honestly I am about to look into stuff that lets you noclip. i am desperate!!!!

[peak meteor]

idk, but yeah when you play ultra nighmare, that shit gets old fast

i just took off my headphones or went to piss whenever that part happened

[elder meadow]

I've never played doom but I just got the 2016 version does anyone want to play with me this weekend

[slow spindle]

Has anyone focused so much on killing and went deaf and forgot about the music playing in the background

[lament girder]

they're about the same in approach. eternal is just slightly faster because of the enemies forcing you to keep up with them. in 2016 they're pretty lethargic and most of them flatout do nothing in combat and can be safely ignored for the most part.

also 'as pure Doom as you can get' yeah nah, not with the stupid amount of upgrades to keep track of to pad out the game. having to locate the runes one by one, do the shitty trials for each, upgrade them to lv2, upgrade your suit, upgrade your guns, farm for masteries, find the classic maps and the doomguy dolls for upgrade points because the perks shoot up in price, etc.
even the pistol has upgrades because fuck you.

[lament girder]

eternal actually cuts down on a lot of the faff by interweaving stuff. for instance a lot of runes from 2016 are perks you unlock by upgrading your stats. you can skip gun masteries with tokens, every rune and suit upgrade is available from the start, even things like unmakyr keys and blood punch upgrades are tied to the combat.

the upgrades in this game on the other hand actively hurt the flow. you get air control after kadingir, 7 levels in. you spend half the game not being able to dodge properly or juke projectiles in midair, and when you're finally able to, the game has the nerve to ask you to upgrade it on top of everything else.

[lament girder]

get the modloader, it unlocks console commands and cheatcodes.
noclip and timescale are must haves for this game. one for when you're locked in a room, the other so that when you HAVE to stay locked in one place or watch a cutscene, you can at least speed it up.

[frail marlin]

I'll look into that for sure!

[swift elbow]

Are you for real trying to debate that someone else's feelings about a thing are wrong? Get a life. People are full of opinions, and they're rarely going to match yours. Trying to argue other people into believing your opinions are more valid than theirs is a fool's errand.

[lament girder]

I never said you were wrong, I said I disagree and argued why I don't think the same way lol

[sterile monolith]

2016 is definitely more "pure Doom" in terms of theme and setting, but it's frankly silly to call either it or Eternal a very "pure Doom" experience since they're both very much their own thing and don't play anything like the games that came before them lol

guys I just remembered that jank-ass rocket mastery, the one where you can remote detonate and the rocket keeps going

i remember when I originally played I always tried to use it by getting a direct hit but detonating right before it made contact, but i just had the thought... did a direct hit that didn't detonate do more damage on its own? it'd make sense, right?

I need to know if the weird ass way I used the rockets was my own fault or just how the game was designed lol

[slate anchor]

ifstg doom 2016 literally keeps making my pc crash to the point i have to press ctrl+alt+del to restart my pc💀

its as if my computer is sentient that it knows eternal is better than 2016

[sterile monolith]

I think 2016's engine was less optimized than Eternal's revision maybe

[winter stream]

Are you using fullscreen with Vulkan as the graphics API?

[elder meadow]

I like doom 2016's hud more than eternals

[slate anchor]

no

wish borderless window was a thing

[winter stream]

It is

There is a borderless option

[gloomy leaf]

Is this where I can ask help for 2016 Multiplayer grind? Cause need to accomplish two trophies which is to wear a robotic armor and a cyber demonic one. I’m echelon 1: 38.

I play in ps4

[cyan root]

im playing 2016 its my first modern doom game but i still love 64 better but 2016 is pretty cool

[peak meteor]

yes and no, people do play multiplayer but it varies from platform to platform

pc side seems somewhat active, but from what i can see, console side not so much

[lethal oracle]

I tried playing deathmatch on PS4 recently got like one full lobby and that was probably all that were playing that mode in that one game

[peak meteor]

oof

lobbies in pc changes gamemodes alot

but its mostly the same gamemodes

stuff like zone capture n that one gamemode with putting the ball in the goal

[lethal oracle]

oh yeah I remember that one I used to call the ball a baby cacodemon

[peak meteor]

ngl i see the same people when i play and it kinda pisses me off

they are tryhards

like i stopped playing for a few weeks, come back and i see the same 5 players i saw before i left

[gloomy leaf]

Well in that case I’ll put my ps4 gamer tag here if anyone wants to help me.

Fila_Juanzz22

[storm acorn]

is there anyone left who plays doom 2016 multiplayer

[celest moon]

wat console

[storm acorn]

pc

[celest moon]

I on ps4 and switch

[gloomy leaf]

@celest moon merch you play ps4?

[celest moon]

Ye I play ps4

But I play switch version more

[gloomy leaf]

oh i see

I need to grind to get the last two trophies on MP

cause trying to platinum Classic Doom 1 and 2, then doom 2016 and eternal

I did Doom 3 already

[celest moon]

Wat are the last 2

@gloomy leaf wat are the last 2

cause if it's xp grinding then nope

xp grinding gets boring in 5 minutes

[gloomy leaf]

No yeah it’s Beauty is pain and Computing with style

[celest moon]

how do u get those

[gloomy leaf]

Literally grind

But I get that it’s boring 😂

[celest moon]

then sorry nope

I gotta go in like 20 minutes

[gloomy leaf]

It’s fine

[vivid sequoia]

I play PS4 also, just a pain trying to find a regular group to enjoy it with

Because that's the main reason I bothered to hop in here once upon a time

[peak meteor]

i came here at first for battlemode in eternal but when i got 2016 for my pc thats when it switched up for me

[earnest cave]

Me core

[celest moon]

[earnest cave]

Pat tha cacodemon

[sly condor]

They need to remove freeze tag! Everyone is good at it 😭

[icy pagoda]

Anyone playing multiplayer on PlayStation? I need to get base game trophies. Can anyone help me with that?

[gloomy leaf]

I’m down

What days are you free?

[icy pagoda]

Give me your psn id

[quaint hinge]

Messing around in snap map basic training and placed bout 100+ imps and didn’t know I had to play and didn’t know I could quit anytime so I had to go and kill all 100+ imps

[spice cedar]

Amazing

I should also try to make a SnapMap

I at least need the achievements for it

[crimson summit]

i was messing around with snapmap and tried to fight a 10x damage baron

[celest moon]

I tried to make a imp do a insane amount of damage once

[elder meadow]

wowowooo im getting doom 2016 for my birthday

[thick yarrow]

hey chat

why is doom 2016 not on the xbox store?

[snow heron]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/926326228280025098/1227807315244351528/image.png?ex=6629bfab&is=66174aab&hm=fa5d9dc7d0e19cab045d55910ff12fed379593721a74eaa6d25493982c93aa58&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[thick yarrow]

WHAT

HOWWWWW

[snow heron]

i searched "doom" in the search bar

its like the first result

[thick yarrow]

can I send a screenshot of what im seeing

in dms

I can’t send it here..

[snow heron]

sure

i cant gurantee how much i can help you

but ill try

[thick yarrow]

[quaint hinge]

Multiplayer so dead, trying to find players while my ps4 overheats

What mode should I play?

[slate anchor]

doom 2016 always makes my fucking pc crash when im not focusing the app

[quaint hinge]

I’ve done over 200 glory kills, I’m pretty sure, but it didn’t give me the “Butcher” trophy

Nvm had to finish the mission first

[crimson summit]

nightmare imps already do 75 damage with their power attacks lol

[strong osprey]

Can i have help with the mp trophies

Pls i cant find a game

Can I pls have help with the mp trophies

[strong osprey]

Can I pls have help with the mp trophies

[spice cedar]

No

[strong osprey]

Pls

I have been waiting for 1 hour to find a lobby

[strong osprey]

Just help me win 1 match and get me to lvl 5 thats it

[spice cedar]

Dude I am at work right now I can't help

And please be patient as the multiplayer for this game is hanging on by a thread

[strong osprey]

1 if you are at work you should work instead of being online on dc and 2 i have been waiting for 1 hour so im sick of waiting

[spice cedar]

I am at work but I have no work to do

It's the worst timeline for me

[strong osprey]

Why are you at work then

[spice cedar]

Because I'm paid to be there

[celest moon]

Dude we get it

Like if no one responds then saying it more than once won't make people just appear

[spice cedar]

More people jumpscare

https://tenor.com/view/sub-zero-bi-han-mortal-kombat-1-mortal-kombat-jump-gif-17794748466248378561

[celest moon]

[crisp basalt]

Different time zones exist as well

[maiden urchin]

imagine grinding achievements

[crisp basalt]

I'm on year 1 of the Stanley Parable's 10 year achievement. 9 more years to grind.

[spice cedar]

Wait shit that reminds me

[maiden urchin]

good luck with that

[spice cedar]

I can install the original Stanley Parable to get the 5 year achievement

And I did it legit

[crisp basalt]

I'm not cheating either, but I could care less if anyone else does

[storm acorn]

bring it back to its former glory

[storm acorn]

what is the stanley parable

[crisp basalt]

It's a Steam game from like 2012 I think. It's fun enough. Narrator is funny.

[storm acorn]

ok

#BringDoom2016MultiplayerBack

[peak meteor]

that shit is NOT comming back ‼️

[crisp basalt]

Oh I missed that? oh well :p

[sonic rune]

theres a... 30mb update?

"Minor technical update today to preserve backend stability."

[wanton glacier]

Turning on my ps5 and seeing an update for 2016 certainly surprised me lol

[spice cedar]

yeah they're adding a new demon called the Swagcubus and it has a one in a million chance to replace a regular mancubus during your playthrough

you can tell it's a swagcubus because it has a single sunglass in front of the eye + one per cannon

[peak meteor]

doom 2016 but epic

[winter stream]

Added a new update that makes snapmap unusable on Playstation specifically lol

[silk forge]

WHAT

they did that specifically for me waow /j

[winter stream]

Might be for only ps4 or 5, one of those

[sly condor]

I think they'll never put anything else to this game since ik it's very classic 2016 but who knows

[winter stream]

I am not sure why they bothered to make this patch in the first place since it has hardly seen maintenance in years

[frail marlin]

Uhhh guys is there a reason the game doesn't boot anymore after the update?

[peak meteor]

yes they have banned you specifically from ever playing doom again

[proper ermine]

bro lost his DOOM rights

[gaunt belfry]

Tragic

[winter stream]

are you playing on PC?

[frail marlin]

Yes

[winter stream]

If you are using LegacyMod or SnapHak, you will have to either remove those or revert your game to the previous version before the patch they released yesterday

[frail marlin]

Yes that explains it. Thanks

[frail marlin]

Patch notes:
-regular maintanace
-banned Doctor Pepper
-other small fixes

[pliant stump]

Hey everyone I'm having trouble beating the cyber demon can I have some tips

[gaunt ginkgo]

use cheats

[paper harness]

Hello

[gaunt ginkgo]

nah but actually you need to move

[pliant stump]

Umm do you still get achievements

[gaunt ginkgo]

i was joking please dont cheat

[gaunt ginkgo]

just run around and dont stop shooting ig thats how i did it

[pliant stump]

Ok

But I didn't even know there were cheats in 2016 or am I dumb?

[frail marlin]

What part are you struggeling with exactly?

[gaunt ginkgo]

i was joking

maybe some external ones

but not as a game mechanic thats for sure

[winter stream]

There kinda is

An exploit, rather

[peak meteor]

[wispy ferry]

how many hours do yall have? im trying to get an idea of how replayable the game is

[pliant stump]

@frail marlin trying to avoid his attacks

My cousin says I'm missing some weapon points

[frail marlin]

Î mean strafing is your friend. Keep your distance, use rockets and the gauss cannon and when you're low on ammo you can rely on the BFG

[pliant stump]

He doesn't have phases right

[frail marlin]

He does

Two in total

[pliant stump]

Fuck

[frail marlin]

You'll be fine. You can do it. when he sends the laser blades, focus on jumping or ducking, when he shoots rockets stay calm!

Any specific attack you struggle with?

[pliant stump]

First phase is done

[gaunt belfry]

Nice

[pliant stump]

Oh wait is there more than one I beat the one Lazuras labs

[gaunt belfry]

Just do what you did before except it might be a little harder

So just try to stick to your strategy and add something a little special like every once in a while we know like a BFG shot or 2

[pliant stump]

Ok thanks

[gaunt belfry]

You're welcome

[pliant stump]

Also, what should I focus on upgrading? Is it super shotgun

[gaunt belfry]

You got to make sure you get the double tap mod or whatever it's called so you can shoot the super shotgun twice making it more powerful

[pliant stump]

Ok

[gaunt belfry]

At least that's why I focus on because I usually use the super shotgun a lotto whatever you focus on is up to you

[pliant stump]

Ok

This pistol is definitely last

[gaunt belfry]

Leave the pistol alone just pretend it doesn't exist

It's only useful when all your other guns are out of ammo and it's your last resort

[paper harness]

Ayo anybody down for some snapmap shenanigans?

[winter stream]

||The tendril attack speed from proximity to the BFG orb doesn't get affected by changes to the game speed. So opening the weapon wheel causes you to deal normal speed damage while the game speed is slowed to a halt||

[paper harness]

Hi, I saw you made Snapmap maps and just wanted to say I loved the StarDOOM valley levels you made

[winter stream]

I only made the 1 lol

It's abandoned tho. I plan on rebooting it if I ever work on it again

But thanks

[frosty bluff]

That Mancubus Challenge:

[pliant stump]

Hey guys, I made it to the final boss.
Can you tell me how it works

[molten oak]

I reinstalled both modern DOOMs and I'm still blown away by how godlike 2016 is. Eternal has the more engaging combat imo, but it in no way makes 2016 feel obsolete. Just as viscerally fun as the first time I played it

I also really love the Mars/UAC setting

[maiden urchin]

yeah, these 2016 vs eternal debates are dumb

[molten oak]

Agreed. They're both masterpieces to me

If anything, Eternal helped me enjoy 2016's gameplay even more. I used to get tunnel vision with weapons, but Eternal trained me to appreciate and use my entire arsenal. So I do that in 2016 now. I'm constantly switching guns just because they're all awesome.

When I first played, I basically used like 2-3 guns the entire game, one of them obviously being the super shotty. I almost never used the plasma rifle, heavy machinegun, even the minigun, almost never threw grenades, barely experimented with weapon mods...but now I do

Also the graphics still blow my mind. For an 8 year old game, the visuals are still jaw-dropping

Pardon my extensive gushing there lmao. I just really love this franchise. I'm even going to go back and play 1, 2, 64 and 3 at some point soon

[maiden urchin]

that's fine man, very few games stand the test of time and remain great experience to this day like Doom games

oh and after revisiting 3 i noticed just how much of its DNA remains in modern games

[molten oak]

I always loved 3 and didn't understand its somewhat mixed reception. It has the best worldbuilding, the best atmosphere and while it starts as a horror game, it gradually shifts into the DOOM action the series was known for

You go from "oh god, demons" to "hell yeah, more demons to kill" in one perfectly paced playthrough

[maiden urchin]

I believe it's because it takes like 1/4 of game being relatively uneventful before it picks up the pace

Quake 4 had same exact issue

[molten oak]

I really liked the slow buildup, personally. The first 2 hours of Doom 3 are actually quite scary, especially if you read the PDAs

Then it's just a gradual curve of you becoming more and more badass throughout the game

It feels like a proper DOOM Marine origin story

[maiden urchin]

I liked the soul cube

need more magical nonsense

[molten oak]

Doom 2016 almost feels like both a sequel and reboot to Doom 3. Like a Mars UAC facility is overrun by demons, again, and he's just like "not this shit again", and instead of cyberdemon being the last boss, it's the first boss

[lethal oracle]

hey I saw doom 2016 got an update recently on my system, it said bugfix but not exactly sure what it fixed

[molten oak]

The patch notes just say it's for "backend stability", and idk what that means

[lethal oracle]

maybe stability for last gen consoles like mine

[maiden urchin]

that's pretty much how it is because of development hell they restarted the project and decided to take a step back and revisit what was already done to be used as foundation

[lethal oracle]

pspros and ps5s try and crank everything up as far as they can go from what I can tell

[lethal oracle]

they embraced the "if it ain't broke don't fix it" mentality and that's how we got the boomer shooter gold rush since 2016

[molten oak]

Which worked very much in their favor, imo. It feels almost like a perfect game to continue what Doom 3 started. And then we got Doom Eternal, which ramps up the threat of the demons to try and match the godlike powers of the Marine. I don't really care about the details or whatever plots holes exist, I just really enjoy that simple progression between games

[lethal oracle]

plot holes are a feature

[molten oak]

Like when you enter Hell in Doom 3, it's terrifying. Cherubs, mancubi, hell knights, flames everywhere...you're worried. Doom 2016, you enter hell and you're like "Wonderful, my natural hunting grounds"

Doom Eternal is like "How dare you attack Earth? Didn't you learn your lesson back in Hell?"

[lethal oracle]

hell in doom 2016 was like a sightseeing segment

and to find your old chaingun

[molten oak]

It actually mirrors the Evil Dead trilogy quite well. The first movie, Ash is just terrified the entire time. Second movie, he's getting sick of this shit and fights back. Army of Darkness, he takes the fight to them and shows them who's boss

[lethal oracle]

and shotgun barrel gets progressively shorter

[molten oak]

You mean his BOOMSTICK barrel

I will always call a sawed-off shotgun a Boomstick

Actually, even a regular shotgun

Shop smart, shop S-Mart

[maiden urchin]

Tbh they gave you a berserk in hell in D3 and you just go nuts one shotting everything, love how this hell design carried over to modern games and was further expanded upon

[molten oak]

I did notice that! The Hell in 2016 is very, very aesthetically similar to D3, which further reinforces my love of 2016's dedication to recreating and iterating on the strengths of the previous game

[lethal oracle]

the more illegal a shotgun is to use in real life the more deserving of the title boomstick

[molten oak]

What really carried the final product, though, was Mick Gordon's soundtrack. It brings the entire package together and makes you feel every bit of the visceral combat. And even when he left, Andrew Hulshult did an amazing job with the DLC music. Blood Swamps is actually my favorite track out of both games

[maiden urchin]

yeah, he totally nailed the sound of modern Doom

[lethal oracle]

if mick just did what id told him to do and only do dubstepy electronic sounding stuff I don't think we would get where we are today

[maiden urchin]

my favourite 2016 piece is Rip & Tear - i simply never heard something this powerful before

[molten oak]

His perfect mix of electronic and metal practically gave birth to a genre all its own. Before I heard his music, I never thought about those two mixing

[lethal oracle]

transistor fist
used to run that level over and over again in arcade mode on nightmare

[molten oak]

For 2016, BFG Division is the best. I know, predictable, but it's just....yeah lol

[maiden urchin]

another underrated piece

[molten oak]

For Eternal, I actually love Blood Swamps the most. Which isn't even a Mick Gordon track

[maiden urchin]

BFG Division is great but was memed to death

[lethal oracle]

doom has the same problem tf2 has with dry memes and meme but doom

[molten oak]

and like I said, Blood Swamps is my favorite out of both games. I think Andrew composed a masterpiece with that track. One of the greatest pieces of instrumental metal of all time

[maiden urchin]

https://youtu.be/LEMHyuZAUD0?si=nuY38qx0TAsWCw6E

love this mix

[molten oak]

And he clearly had some inspiration from Mick. Andrew doesn't normally do electronic stuff, but he tried to match Mick's style

and I think he nailed it

[maiden urchin]

have you heard his Prodeus and Quake Champions tracks, the synths here are in great use

[molten oak]

I haven't, actually

I've only heard his Brutal Doom compositions before Doom Eternal

[maiden urchin]

pretty sure that was just remakes of classic Doom tracks because he felt like it

[molten oak]

So if I'm wrong about him not using synths much, my bad. But I will still say that his work on Eternal feels like it's trying to do what Mick did

[maiden urchin]

https://youtu.be/sijm-EJyG-c?si=RhiyAM3tMEIn5ph7

[molten oak]

And I think he succeeded. In fact, in terms of sheer metal, Andrew does better than Mick

Mick's tracks are great, but Andrew's are more authentically metal

And being a metalhead, I love it when the metal itself is the star, with the synth being support

I love Mick, though, don't get me wrong. I also loved his work on Prey, which has an entirely synth approach to it, but still sounds like his style

[maiden urchin]

https://youtu.be/7fZzxhf1Rug?si=_zCaViQ8ThxuuFdr

even more ambient tracks in games radiate the power of Hulshult

[molten oak]

I actually didn't know Mick Gordon did Prey's OST at first, but when I did, I was like "THAT'S why some of those songs sound oddly familiar"

[maiden urchin]

both of them have distinct styles so not surprising

[molten oak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XznORTnoQM

Like this. It's literally Mick Gordon but without electric guitar

and I feel dumb for not recognizing it lmao

[maiden urchin]

what i was really surprised with is when i learned that Hulshult did Amid Evil soundtrack

[royal spire]

Hiya. Anybody have a match going on now? Looking to play.

[limber bone]

Is there anyone from Russia or Ukraine here?

[wispy ferry]

does 2016 have a horde mode equivalent?

[winter stream]

People can make it in the level editor

[subtle glen]

why is there a 30 MB update on doom 2016?

what did they change

[winter stream]

Technical background stuff

But it broke some of the mod tools lol

[storm acorn]

what do i do with the marineguy collectables

[fossil island]

nothing

[pliant stump]

Hey everyone. How do I dodge the spider masterminds lazers

Just how do I beat it

[white nest]

The Cacodemon bodied me into the void

Im just trying to parkour past 3 of them, but their defense game is on point

[pliant stump]

Umm hello

[white nest]

hi

[pliant stump]

Answer my question anyone

[white nest]

idk

[pliant stump]

Oh ok srry

Never mind I think I figured out LO.L

[white nest]

What are these green orbs for?

[pliant stump]

The BFG?

[white nest]

yes

[gaunt belfry]

@pliant stump is this your first play though of Doom 2016

[storm acorn]

potentially unpopular opinion: i think doom 2016 is better than eternal

[sick sundial]

I feel that way a lot of times too

[desert stone]

is anyone who wants to play multiplayer right now?

[latent harness]

@desert stone Sure

SnapMap is broken on PS5 currently

[desert stone]

I'll be back later

Sorry I didn't respond that earlier

[peak meteor]

really? how so

[latent harness]

You can’t create or play a map

Created an support issue a few hours ago

[silk forge]

I think Doom 2016's world, story, and art design is better 100%. But I ultimately prefer the gameplay of Doom Eternal

[rocky patrol]

Who is the biggest fan of june twenty sixteen

Doom twenty sixteen

[peak meteor]

i am the biggest fan of doom two thousand and sixteen

[elder meadow]

i very much to enjoy doom two zero one six

[olive umbra]

In June 2016 I got Lyme Disease bruh

[flint lichen]

https://youtu.be/0woIMIYWkPk
https://youtu.be/7TRdx2tbUFI

But when he deviates from the Doom Style it's amazing, Prey's what i consider to be the best game that will probably ever exist, and this just elevates it.

[flint lichen]

my personal's probably harbinger from 2016, man i wanna replay 2016

[obsidian relic]

Is there anyone that actually finds the scope on the riffle usefull ?

[winter stream]

it can be useful when you get upgrades for it. Mastery lets you oneshot headshot smaller enemies

[obsidian relic]

Yeah , it does sound good....
However... Literally any other mod exists

[deft patio]

MP anyone??

[peak meteor]

like telapoopy said, the upgraded version is better but the mod in general is pretty much useless

micro missles does a better job

[obsidian relic]

Pretty much

[lethal oracle]

higher damage output then micro missiles actually

if you do it right

[quaint hinge]

If I’ve missed a weapon can I go back through a slot to get it?

[peak meteor]

but the zoom is such a hinderance

[lethal oracle]

situational damage setup

[proper ermine]

scope being practically useless in 2016 is such a difference

[peak meteor]

scope is useless, but what about remote detonation?

has anyone actually used that mod over lock on

[proper ermine]

I'd bet its not that great tbh

[crisp basalt]

I've never used remote

[peak meteor]

tbh what else could they have done with the rocket launcher

[proper ermine]

make the launcher itself explode

[peak meteor]

dude that would be perfect

[crisp basalt]

It could have had 1 rocket that hits somehting and bursts into smaller rockets that do less damage. That or super soaker mod

[proper ermine]

so the grenade's scatter bomb in doom eternal

[crisp basalt]

yus

Make it look like fireworks tho

[peak meteor]

that could be interesting

[proper ermine]

Maybe a semi-auto rocket launcher

[abstract peak]

snapmap isnt working

[peak meteor]

are u on console

cuz ive heard snapmap is broken on there

[thick yarrow]

its not broken on console for me

[winter stream]

playstation specifically

[abstract peak]

yeah im on ps

[peak meteor]

yeah ive heard its broken there

maybe theyll fix it?

[winter stream]

They have to be aware of it to fix it. Submit a support ticket if you are running into this issue

[abstract peak]

i hope so, the snapmap trophies are the only 3 left for the platinum

[abstract peak]

k, imma report it rn

[winter stream]

You know where you can do that?

[abstract peak]

on the bethesda website

[bronze cobalt]

Will someone watch me stream later

[latent harness]

Someone down for MP on PS?

[latent harness]

https://help.bethesda.net/#en/answer/55355

[winter stream]

oh nice, when did this get posted

[latent harness]

Two days ago

[fallen gust]

you have to complete the level

you cant just start it and quite

btw would nayone be down to help me with multiplayer achievements? if so send me a dm

that way I can make a group chat

[latent harness]

@fallen gust i made a group, we’re currently 8 users. DM me

[fallen gust]

Can anyone help me with the multplayer achievements

I am on steam btw

[cyan root]

DOOM 2016 is the real DOOM 4

[blazing wing]

wEaLly?!!/11/!?1/?!?!

[muted prairie]

HUH?! WHAT?

NEVER WOULDVE THOUGHT

[fossil island]

No. The real "DOOM 4" was canceled.

They are 2 completely different projects.

[muted prairie]

technically

og doom 4 looked kinda shit ngl

ik it was in early development but the game didnt feel like doom

from the looks of it

[winter stream]

that was exactly why they started over

[lament girder]

dang, who could've guessed someone with your pfp would think that

personally I don't like that 90% of 2016 took place in tech bases. I guess that's why more people prefer it over eternal though, feels safe and familiar vs eternal's fantasy and occasional hi-tech environments (even if that also existed in spades in doom 2 and 64).
newcomers to the series in particular will obviously prefer 'gwitty and sewious' tacticool over 90s he-man castles and bombastic visuals and presentation, even if both were integral parts to doom, much like how 'le rip and tear' has completely supplanted the actual gameplay and tone of the original games in the eyes of pop culture.

[sterile monolith]

I like how 2016 has a very faithful "doom" aesthetic and I like how Eternal mixes it up

2016 gets points for not faceplanting over its plot though

[lament girder]

well yeah, it had less moving parts in it, although they still fucked up some bits here and there. samuel's approach to olivia's dissertion not making sense, him somehow not taking notice of a fucking demonic cult waging right under his nose (sacrifices included, but you mean to tell me you only noticed 64% of the facility was dead after the fact?), making it to the slayer's tomb completely on his own and unprotected, the crucible maguffin appearing out of nowhere and having no relevancy to the plot until the very end where it's used as a key to kill 3 ancient demon lords who were also irrelevant to the plot until that point, the game seemingly forgetting olivia exists after argent tower, etc.

even the whole 'we don't do plot here, just go shoot stuff! we oldschool we swear!' intro sequence is immediately overthrown when samuel decides to lock you in a room to ramble on for 3 minutes the very next level. they do all sorts of stuff during the first leg of the game to sell you on doomguy having no agency and not caring about the plot one level, to showing him visibly caring for and involved with the plot the very next one.

oh, and that one time they locked you in place staring at a monitor. that one's always fun

[sterile monolith]

Yeah but at least the narrative was consistent lol
Eternal retcons 2016 and even itself like 3 times
And each retcon is a less interesting story than the last...

[limber bone]

Where are all the Russian people?

[peak meteor]

they have all tragically passes away

[topaz kite]

Hi, i googled for a Doom discord server legit just to find info on why or how does Doom 2016 MP have no anti cheat?
Or has it just become Doom lore for that "net" guy to cheat since i found reddit post from over 3 years ago mentioning him cheating... sad

[rigid topaz]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=r1nZzXsgCi0&si=qVjCA6REi9EKOz_K

[primal wedge]

action figure, actionnnn figure!

why couldn’t he treat the drone as nicely

[void crater]

Are there people that are playing the multiplayer at the moment? There is this low iq hacker just ruining the experience for us players anyone want to do a private matches?

Do the devs no longer care about Doom 2016?

[primal wedge]

ell i am genuinely horrible at finding secrets but at least i have an action figure

[elder meadow]

no

[winter stream]

It's been ages past its dev cycle

The fact there was a patch at all recently is unbelievable

I figure its "stability" changes only relate to lowering maintenance costs in some shape or form

But at least that would still imply a commitment to keeping online services running for the forseeable future

[lament girder]

i'm in no way excusing eternal, i'm telling you 2016 fumbles what little story it managed to tell under the slightest scrutiny

eternal is whatever the fuck it thinks it is even if it sucks

problem is 2016 outright forces you to sit through the story bits like it was some grandiose epic when it's an excuse to shoot demons told in the most boring way possible, where you have exactly zero impact on the story's development beyond blowing up a single building and giving samuel a maguffin.
in eternal they're 100% skippable, but they smoked 20 doobies and rewrote the entire universe's lore to include characters and lore that didn't exist in the previous game like it was the 3rd/4th entry on a series, forgetting they already HAD STARTED a story, and that they were supposed to write THE DIRECT SEQUEL TO IT.

[primal wedge]

so many action figures
i love action figures

[ripe meadow]

Guys, please advise. Which mp mode is the best to play today? I'm really sad to the fact that mp is dead

I see ~1000 people in doom average. Where are they?

[real yarrow]

Whenever I boot up any of them I only get them in team deathmatch and team play rarely

It does take some waiting for me to find a match

[ripe meadow]

i see. That's really sad actually. I've been playing doom since 2016 for a couple of years. One of my beloved arena shooters. To sad eternal has pile of something stinky instead of mp

[real yarrow]

Same

[ripe meadow]

never understood their decision

[real yarrow]

The weird thing is about eternal is it’s more dead then 2016 of what I’ve seen

I must be getting on at a bad time ig

[ripe meadow]

imagine how full it would be if mp just transfered from 2016 as it is

[real yarrow]

2016 mp > Enternal mp

I’m also waiting in a match making for a game in 2016

[ripe meadow]

yeah me too lol

[real yarrow]

I should of not reset my stats on doom 2016

[ripe meadow]

i've bought 4 copies of doom yesterday for my friends. Maybe it will resurrect mp somehow

[ripe meadow]

💀

wish there was a way to transfer stats from ps4

[real yarrow]

I wish

I used to be a level 50 but then when I came back I reset my stats

I’m washed at doom 2016 multiplayer

I’m level 16 now 😦

[ripe meadow]

not bad lol

starting at lvl 1

[real yarrow]

Yeah

I get a match every 2-4 days and level up every few matches

[ripe meadow]

do you get xp from closed matches ?

[real yarrow]

I don’t think so

I had to think about that then I realized there is a possibility to get bots

Ima test it

If it possibly then you need to have a separate console or have a friend to help you

You need 2 players to start a match

[ripe meadow]

i see, i'm gonna try i then thanks

[real yarrow]

I found out there is a practice mode

I don’t think my rank went up

[latent harness]

Someone wanna boost on Ps?

[verbal gate]

does anyone play MP anymore? been looking to play deathmatch but I dont want to install only to find it dead

[topaz kite]

On EU servers, "team play" mode ( where it rotates between team deathmatch, domination etc..) is not 100% dead in times 2PM - 7 PM. Everything else - dead + regular cheaters since no one cares

[verbal gate]

Agh, hackers. Awesome 😐

[topaz kite]

yea, there is no anticheat at all. Thats the reason i joined this server actually. Because there is one cheater who is a regular, and by googling "doom 2016 cheaters", there is a reddit thread from 3 years ago talking about him... dude has 5k hours, and cheating. fun guy..., goes by "net"

[verbal gate]

I don't understand the cheating. Like how is that fun?

Good job, you own people by hacking.

🙄

[topaz kite]

At this point, i assume its to show us he cant be stopped, because he doesnt try to hide the cheats. He is having fun by letting us know there is nothing anyone will do about it

[fossil island]

Link > https://help.bethesda.net/#en/home/product/704

U wanna go "DOOM" > "Report Player" > Bad Actions / Cheating / Exploiting > I want to report cheating / exploiting

Seclect your platform, the user youre reporting, date/time and write what happened.
I suggest having some sort of conclusive video evidence of it.
Keep it short, do not include a videofile of 2hrs where somewhere in the middle someone is cheating.
Make a clip where its easily to see if someone is cheating.

[verbal gate]

I dont think they will do anything TBH

[topaz kite]

hmm like i said, there is a reddit thread from 3 years ago talking about this guy being famous for cheating so im not sure if things like that will help sice he has 5k hours of cheating so far...

[fossil island]

I got a cheater banned through it

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[verbal gate]

Well thats cool. Just dont think they would with a now nearly 7 year old game

[elder meadow]

anyone still play MP on PC?

[winter stream]

Every now and then there's a server for the mp that people set up lobbies in.

[elder meadow]

oh nice

[primal wedge]

mmmmmmm hellknights scare me

and ive gotta get a specific glory kill on 2 of em for a challenge

how do you get these stupid things to die

[primal wedge]

what

do you have any advice orr

oh yay 21 achievements for multiplayer mode, and half of them are pointless

[desert stone]

I played yesterday everything was fine until I met the player was called "net" he was running like a speed of light. I guess he used the cheat.

and ruins the match

btw is anyone who wants to play doom 2016 right now?

[elder meadow]

me and my friends have been getting into the multiplayer recently, we usually play ffa together

[peak meteor]

this net chatacter seems like the boogeyman of mp

i guess im glad i havent run into them

the only annoying thing ive encountered is just tryhards

but other than that, mp is very fun

ill prob hop on mp later

[torpid saddle]

Im down to play some multiplayer trying to find a lobby rn

[elder meadow]

guys is doom fun

is doom 2016 fun im planning to buy it its on sale

[wispy hedge]

Yes

[elder meadow]

eternal or 2016

[maiden urchin]

get both but start with 2016

[elder meadow]

ok thanks for telling me

im buying it

[torpid saddle]

I have a lobby going for doom rn anyone wanna join?

[elder meadow]

bro this is so fun

doom 1993 still better tho 👍

[spice cedar]

Ehhh I don't know if I agree with that

For its time Doom 1993 is more impressive technically but Doom 2016 is much more fun

[elder meadow]

doom is life

[vivid terrace]

At least this server is still talking about doom

[worn mulch]

Multiplayer doom 2016 is good?

Or doom eternal multiplayer?

[elder meadow]

I don’t know

Either way it’s so annoying when multiplayer achievements are needed for platinum trophies

[worn mulch]

Ok

[storm acorn]

its very fun

[peak meteor]

both are completely different in what they try to do

though i wish 2016's mp was more active than it is

it gets annoying running into the same players all the time

[north nova]

I haven't played 2016s multi-player, but i would say eternals is better

[elder meadow]

2016 multiplayer is kinda annoying

[north nova]

That's what I've heard from people

[opal plaza]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1117835783068450888/1232063886543552693/2024042222192601-CF035A1DEF1D6DADE285B7ACA9873642.mp4?ex=66281869&is=6626c6e9&hm=5129573e1b67cae717697f2950bc9b4baa9b94a79edc123ea5a6364e09f6c414&

Was it necessary adding fall damage in this game or am i having skill issue?

[winter stream]

well, there's no fall damage, just death pits

[opal plaza]

fair point

then im having just a skill issue ,_,

[peak meteor]

i think i came across a cheater

dude was shooting a gun incredibly quick, like faster than its actual fire rate

he was moving really fast too although idk if he really was using a speed cheat

[peak meteor]

that was just unlucky as hell

almost couldve survived

[wispy hedge]

which gun

[peak meteor]

hellshot

[wispy hedge]

ah then it might've been a cheater then

I don't know if there is weapon upgrades to MP but I do know the SSG in the campaign has that 2x shot upgrade when fully maxed

[peak meteor]

there arent any weapon upgrades in mp

[wispy hedge]

thanks for clarifying

[peak meteor]

the 2x ssg shot is so op

[wispy hedge]

I know

[peak meteor]

in mp tho, its only one and it has slow reload

[wispy hedge]

on my 2nd run I intentionally didn't put uranium coating on so it doesn't get op quick

[peak meteor]

fair enough

i always reserved my weapon points to upgrade the ssg during my UN run

i still do that for doom eternal

i always try to upgrade the ssg first in both games

[abstract gazelle]

good game

[topaz kite]

I think our "friend" net just wants to kill off what is letf of the MP. Everyone knows him as the Doom cheater and as soon as he shows up in the lobby, everyone leaves. Now here he is in a different lobby. Fun times

[peak meteor]

you saw this net character?

did u play with him? if so, what cheats was he using

[topaz kite]

Speed hack is the most obvious one because he is so fast that he basically teleports around the map. When he is in your team, you cant run behind him. He is super fast.
The other one is some kind of dmg boost thou i guess you cant "prove" that one since its not that obvious but its kinda silly to see him teleport into 5 people and kill everyone in 2 seconds

[peak meteor]

maybe hes using some sort of cheat that makes his gun shoot faster than it should

i ran into someone like that

they were using the hellshot but they were shooting it incredibly fast, like rapid fire fast

but besides that, the only "problem" i run into on mp is just tryhards

[topaz kite]

net only uses the plasma rifle so maybe his cheat is connected to that gun

[opal plaza]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1224068091659550761/1232077379967389808/2024042223114401-CF035A1DEF1D6DADE285B7ACA9873642.mp4?ex=6628cdba&is=66277c3a&hm=456b86215d9d63d90868862bacd8db9713e684134cf1f119fe1605be1321eb61&

mmmmm bugs..

[sly condor]

The game got updated to me on PS5, I still don't even know what changed ://

[red flume]

The most recent update was backend stability stuff. Nothing you'd be able to notice.

[winter stream]

until you try playing snapmap

[wispy hedge]

[peak meteor]

from what i heard, it was just something small

but ye i heard snapmap basically broke

im curious, how is it broken? does it just not allow you to use snapmap or what

[winter stream]

if you try to load most maps, including the templates offered when you are starting a new map, it will fail and say "requested content is unavailable"

only on playstation

[snow heron]

is this the switch version or is the video quality just bad?

[wispy hedge]

I'm gonna guess the video quality is bad so it could be sent on discord

[torpid grotto]

Does anyone still play doom 2016? Can you play multiplayer with me so I can reach lv2 so I can look at the customization

[opal plaza]

It is switch xd

[snow heron]

Oh sick man! The switch ports neat

[stark carbon]

yep

its a bit rare but its funny when that happens to me

[stuck arch]

GET ONLINE ON MULTIPLAYER RN, I WANNA PLAY

@everyone

[stuck arch]

GET ONNN PUSSIESSS

[storm acorn]

what is the purpose of gatling rotator

[winter stream]

To pretend that the chaingun has a 2nd Weapon mod option So you can be at Max fire rate ahead of time without wasting ammo

[fierce cipher]

It shoots much faster, so it flows much better into quick swap combos and swapping out of it.

[sterile monolith]

@elder meadow what's the deal with the Crucible

[elder meadow]

It's an Argenta Crucible (like Doomguy's in Eternal) that has been corrupted by Hell.

[sterile monolith]

oh, corrupted?

[winter stream]

Snapmap bug on Playstation is fixed now if you download latest patch

[elder meadow]

It was likely stolen after the Unholy Wars. Note the wording of the mission: "Take back the Crucible." Further, if you look at the Codex entries for the two Hell levels preceding the Hell Guards fight, we see that this area is revered by the demons as a "trophy hall," dedicated to artifacts taken from various conquests.

It seems they stole it and over time it warped into the demonic appearance it has now.

[sterile monolith]

Why does it have macguffin powers

[elder meadow]

This could also, if you like, provide an explanation as to what Doom 64's Unmaker is - a corrupted Unmaykr.

[elder meadow]

Define "macguffin powers."

[sterile monolith]

like all the handy plot stuff it does
why is it specially able to free the wraiths and close the well, why does it work as an argent energy source

[elder meadow]

This is simply because it is powered by Argent Energy. By "free" the Wraiths, what the game means is simply "kill." We're putting them out of their misery so that the Well is closed (even if probably temporarily).

It being an Argent weapon makes it very powerful, and compatible with other Argent-powered sources - like the Wraiths, whose energy comprises part of Argent Energy.

[sterile monolith]

sry it's been a while since I played 2016, was it like specially required to kill the wraiths or?
and was actually closing the well not a separate step? what did we hop down the hole and fight the spiderdemon for?

[storm acorn]

do yall prefer gauss cannon or ballista?

[sterile monolith]

isn't the Sentinel Crucible powered by wraithfire or whatever? why's this one argent?
ig Argent is just Sentinel energy (which is processed wraithfire) combined with hell energy, but

[sterile monolith]

aesthetically, easily Gauss

wasn't there something in 2016 about using the crucible to absorb the well's energy or something

[elder meadow]

It's also been a bit for me. IIRC getting the Crucible is considered an important step in closing the Well. It likely was the only way to kill the Wraiths.
Closing the Well was complete when we killed the last Wraith. The Slayer is urged to fight the Spider Mastermind by the Sentinel "ghosts" we see surrounding its lair - I would presume he chose to fight it simply because it was there, and he wouldn't pass up the opportunity to kill a Dark Lord.

[sterile monolith]

he does like killing dark lords doesn't he

[storm acorn]

he was looking for a fight, he got one

a pretty hard one when you first meet the megamind spider

i legit did not use weapon mods up until that point

[elder meadow]

So, a refresher: Argent Energy does not refer to a specific compound, but is rather a colloquial term that refers to Wraith Energy that has been tampered with in some way.
The Argent Energy that the UAC is siphoning in 2016 is Wraith Energy (no Hell's Essence, so no souls) directly from the Well, which they're purifying into Argent via UAC technology.
The Crucible, assuming it hasn't been tampered with by Hell (which is, as said, an assumption, not fact) would also be fueled by pure Wraith Energy (not Essence) since it was taken from Argent D'Nur.

2016 UAC Argent = Wraith Energy that is purified by tech.
Hell Argent = Wraith Energy combined with Hell's Essence.
ARC Argent = Synthesized energy derived from the Demonic Crucible.

[sterile monolith]

hm? wouldn't that make sentinel energy argent too?
Eternal also goes on a lot about how Sentinel energy was combined with hell energy to create argent, it's like a whole thing

[elder meadow]

Sentinel Energy is Wraith Energy. Just another term for it.

Sentinel energy has always been derived from the Wraiths.

[sterile monolith]

but wraith energy is red while sentinel is blue
and I remember reading codex entries about how the sentinels processed the wraithfire into Sentinel energy

[elder meadow]

That's what I mean. Apologies, bad wording on my part. Sentinel Energy is processed Wraith Energy. Making it Argent as well.

[sterile monolith]

argent energy + hell energy = argent energy (stronger)?

[elder meadow]

Yes.

[sterile monolith]

this seems like a poor naming scheme

[elder meadow]

The colors, if I remember correctly (don't quote me on this), likely correlate to if the energy has been activated. Purifying it changes the coloration from red to blue.

[sterile monolith]

that would be consistent with 2016's filters or whatever

[elder meadow]

It is, it's needlessly confusing and literally every fan I met was confused about this prior to my own research and attempt to quantify the term via the guide. For a while everyone assumed Doom 2016's Argent was filled with human souls and that was retconned into the reason why Doomguy destroys the filters in that game.

But this is verifiably false. There is no Hell's Essence present in the energy the UAC is siphoning from Hell - the energy they're taking is leaking from the Well prior to its transportation to Nekravol, where the combining process happens.

[sterile monolith]

oh shit you're right yeah

hmm

I think
this might be a case of "the writers forgor"
we're trying to explain away a plot hole and causing things to make less sense in the process

here's something, if we closed the well in 2016, where is Nekravol getting its wraithfire from?
I doubt that's all stuff that was just still in the lines

[elder meadow]

Well, 1) it's likely there are multiple Wells, and 2) the Well we closed was likely reopened offscreen.

[sterile monolith]

how could it be reopened if we killed the wraiths?

[elder meadow]

Going by The Ancient Gods' depiction of the World Spear, Hell very likely had access to all of those Wraiths in there. The Maykrs had access to that place, and it had thousands of 'em in there.

[sterile monolith]

oh so there were just more

ig that makes sense

[elder meadow]

Wraiths are likely not a worry for Hell. Closing the Well wasn't a crippling blow to Hell - more a necessity to close down the portal so they couldn't keep invading Mars.

[elder meadow]

Before their procurement of Wraiths, Wells were naturally-occuring "pools" of Hell's Essence, which would be siphoned by demons. The Codex explicitly says there were many of them. It's unclear if there still are a bunch of them by the time 2016 happens since Hell's operation of energy has changed so much from those entries, though.

[sterile monolith]

rq I hate what TAG reveals about the world spear
well maybe not hate but I dislike it
I liked the story of "this big fucking crystal from nowhere jammed into our planet and brought it to life" as a kind of ancient legend with questionable reputability (how would the sentinel's know if they weren't there before?)
changing it to "it's a big spaceship the Maykrs sent to probably jumpstart the planet intentionally or something" is way less cool and is another aspect of them changing the story to a kinda "everything was planned/orchestrated from the beginning/it was fate" sort of thing
unless I drastically misinterpreted that stage

[sterile monolith]

if they're naturally full of hell essence, then it would make sense there's both soul juice and wraith juice in the energy in there, right?

i.e... aarrgent....

[elder meadow]

The Maykrs sending it is only a theory, not something TAG mentions. We still have no clue what the origins of the Wraiths are. Likely ties into Quake shit.

[sterile monolith]

(I assure you this could have been avoided with... different management)

[sterile monolith]

Quake?? what does Quake have to do with this now 😭

[elder meadow]

Original Wells, yes. 2016's Well has the same name but works a bit differently.

[sterile monolith]

but why are there Maykr ghosts in there then?

[elder meadow]

Hugo Martin said he was heavily inspired by Lovecraft and Quake shit when it comes to the Wraiths, and has expressed a lot of interest in working with Quake. He also insinuated the Wraiths' origins will be explored later.

[sterile monolith]

I will only accept Quake being added to Doom's multiverse if they also make Commander Keen canon

[elder meadow]

The Seraphs are regarded as holy and mighty Maykr figures. The holograms might just be normal holograms the Maykrs installed as a way of staking their claim on the place. The Maykrs have inhabited Argent D'Nur for longer than humans even existed on Earth.

[sterile monolith]

ok that could make sense actually

[elder meadow]

Personally I like the idea but dislike that there are still-living Wraiths in there, comprising a massive species.
While it makes sense to me and I can explain it fine, narratively I do not care for 2016 emphasizing that we are euthanizing the Wraiths as an act of mercy only for Eternal to reveal there are like a thousand more.

I like most of Eternal and TAG's story decisions. Just not this one.

[sterile monolith]

what indicates there are still-living wraiths in there? were they just flying around and I missed them or something?

[elder meadow]

I suppose the fact that they are living isn't confirmed. But there are thousands of them lining the walls inside weird crystals, and they aren't decomposed like 2016's.

To me that implied they are hibernating.

[sterile monolith]

damn ok

[sterile monolith]

@elder meadow what's the Icon of Sin doing in Necropolis
why is it in a wall. Is that just how it likes to rest?

[elder meadow]

Probably not the real Icon of Sin. Maybe it was intended to be in 2016 until Eternal retconned it.

Or, perhaps, it's the Icon's original body and Eternal's is a new one?

Depends on how you look at it. My view is 2016's Icon is just a cheeky reference, while Eternal's is the real deal.

[sterile monolith]

the 2016 Icon has codex entries indicating it as the real deal

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Icon_of_Sin_(Doom_2016)

[elder meadow]

The Icon itself lacks a Codex entry. It is only briefly mentioned in a couple, and the references are brief.

[sterile monolith]

shows not to trust the wiki ig

[fierce cipher]

Do y'all prefer 2016 or Eternal?

[noble pike]

I prefer Doom 2016's punches over Eternal's.

But overall Eternal.

[fierce cipher]

With the endless blood punch chains you can do with armor and health pickups, the Eternal punches run circles around 2016's and back again.

[stark carbon]

gameplay/mechanics eternal
story/atmosphere/world 2016
cant explain right
both masterpieces tho

[grave geyser]

I apologize in advance for my English, I haven’t mastered it to an ideal level…Well…I really liked 2016 and Eternal, but Eternal seems more diverse and a more complex, especially with DLC, but 2016 has its own vibe, because it’s simpler, it’s also attractive

[fierce cipher]

Levels, music, pacing, and sound effects also go to 2016 IMO.

Eternal lacked exploration and could feel too long in comparison.

But Eternal's a lot more fun to play generally because the mechanics and movement are a lot better

[stark carbon]

on god

the music goes so hard on 2016

[fierce cipher]

It's funny because I didn't really like Eternal's music that much outside of TOTTFIY, Cultist Base, and Gladiator.

But 2016's music was a masterpiece through and through

It felt a lot more brutal, weighty, and experimental. Can't explain why

[stark carbon]

is it the same guy making music for both games? or no?

[fierce cipher]

Mick Gordon did both soundtracks, yes.

[stark carbon]

hmmmm thats nice but 2016 was legendary

[fierce cipher]

Yes, I might just be burnt out, because for the longest time, I vastly preferred 2016 over Eternal.

It wasn't even remotely close.

But very recently, I have found myself on team Eternal

Funny how life works sometimes lol

[fierce cipher]

As a game I mean

[stark carbon]

sometimes i cant decide who i like the most

2016 is more nostalgic
eternal is idk just good

[fierce cipher]

That's how I'm like too.

[stark carbon]

2016 has a special place in my heart but then eternal is just too good as well

[fierce cipher]

Also sometimes I hate Eternal. Sometimes I'll think it's mid, and then sometimes I'll think it's like the best game ever

[fierce cipher]

I'm very odd when it comes to DOOM games lol

[stark carbon]

enemies on eternal are harder to kill thats one of the things i dislike the most

but still a masterpiece (eternal)

[fierce cipher]

I didn't like Eternal's guns as much.

They don't sound nearly as punchy and they look more plastic toy-ish. Hard to explain.

[stark carbon]

need to play the olds ones

[fierce cipher]

But Eternal's punching and grenades sound a lot better

Eternal's punching sounds better because the blood punch sounds really satisfying

[flint lichen]

that sound that plays when you gain a blood punch

[stark carbon]

its almost the same thing as 2016 but ye

guns on eternal feel kinda week

but still satisfying

[flint lichen]

i mean when you know how to stagger 4 frequently appearing heavy demons with them

they dont really feel that weak

the ones i know of is revenant, ssg to the face, works half of the time, dread knight and arachnotron, rocket burst, cyber manc, blood punch and ssg

[stark carbon]

i just want to make the weapon wheel faster for switching weapons because sometimes it's hard to switch weapons quickly when my fingers are too fast for it

but theres no mods or something

[flint lichen]

id recomend having your number keys bound to weapons in order of your usage of them

[stark carbon]

octopus experience:

[flint lichen]

you can also change the delay in it opening when you press the key for it to make it faster

[stark carbon]

really? where tell me

[flint lichen]

i havent checked in a bit but i think its in the controls

[stark carbon]

alr alr tysm brother

[flint lichen]

actually let me check rn

[stark carbon]

yes

"weapon wheel open delay"

lezzzz goo ty brother

[flint lichen]

might be only for controller

since thats where it is in the settings

[fierce cipher]

I just mean the sound effects and the way they look on Eternal look and sound a lot weaker to me compared to 2016

But yeah I know they functionally are basically the same weapons

[flint lichen]

personally i barely use weapon wheels in games since it feels a lot better to just press a key

[stark carbon]

holy shit its way better
it works on keyboard btww

[fierce cipher]

It's like DOOM 64/PSX, where their guns are functionally are the same as 1/2, but the sound effects and aesthetics of the guns on PSX/64 sound and look a lot better

[flint lichen]

could be the mastering of the audio, idk why but doom eternal has bad audio mastering at times

[stark carbon]

i dont think so (i dont remember half of them 👍 )

[fierce cipher]

Don't remember half of Eternal? Or half of 2016?

[stark carbon]

half of the sound effects in eternal

[flint lichen]

say like the trial of maligog's playing in tag1, i can barely hear that synth that comes in and gives mick gordon vibes

[fierce cipher]

Are you saying you can't compare them well because of not remembering?

[stark carbon]

i have the music louder than the sound effects so I can go crazy while playing it (typical metal hellsinger player)

[stark carbon]

yes

[fierce cipher]

Understandable

I think one thing that makes Eternal so fun is punch swapping techs

Do punch swap Ballista boosts around the arena, it feels so good

[stark carbon]

but the eternal combat shotgun sounds like its an heavy shotgun

[fierce cipher]

I learned and mastered a lot of punch swapping and punch swap Ballista boosts lately and that might be why I started to prefer Eternal over 2016 recently

[flint lichen]

id rather just wrap around the arena with the meathook, feels so good

[stark carbon]

thats so good (too good)

[fierce cipher]

If you yeet hook into punch swap Ballista boosts and bunny hops you get the most insane movement ever.

It's like Titanfall 2 shit

[fierce cipher]

The 2016 Super Shotgun sounded like a beast.

I didn't like how it sounded in Eternal unfortunately

[stark carbon]

doom eternal's negative steam review:
"Doom 2016 was fun; this is an endless, tedious slog.

Save your money. Do not buy this if you've played Doom 2016; do not buy this if you haven't played Doom 2016. They did everything possible to suck out all the fun from that game and replaced with homework and cheapest crap imaginable."

average insane player

[fierce cipher]

But yes for Eternal's Combat Shotgun. The Sticky Bombs and full auto sound AMAZING