classic-doom

[dapper flint]

Very cool little cutscene though. Love that art piece

[tacit remnant]

Huh. Whenever I beat the game it just goes to credits. Did the Unity Port cut the iconic end scene?

[azure nimbus]

yeah you're right. They have these doom2016 style shots instead

[tacit remnant]

That sucks. Oh well

[raw heart]

@tacit remnantBro is that bro is that?!!? Celeste

Very underrated game i've heard on r/tomorrow

[tacit remnant]

Very good and very hard game.

[raw heart]

I buy 12 copies of Celeste every year to support the devs hopefully we will get the sequel

[molten iron]

Celeste is pretty good

[hexed escarp]

can i load my choco doom save in prboom+

[hexed escarp]

ok, apparently not

is the last 3rd of doom 2 worth suffering through the city section for?

cuz im on map15 rn and i despise it so much

map 14 was pretty good

map13 was also horrible, and map12 was eh

[azure nimbus]

there are a few bangers in the latter third. But also some stinkers. I am more amenable to the vanilla levels after having played them more, but that doesn't take away from contemporary custom levels having more interesting combat and more intricate designs. If you want to stick to pwads, I get it. But I do think it's worth sticking through the originals as a baseline

[hexed escarp]

i started playing btsx, but just judging by the first level, the ost was waaay too calm

a soundtrack plays a big part to how much i enjoy playing something

does the music in that wad get any more interesting?

like, its not bad music, but i just dont feel like it fits doom

[azure nimbus]

it picks up even by map 2 imo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3cbOsk6GF8

Do not listen to map08's unless you want to spoilers. Unironically the music for map08 is a spoiler.

[hexed escarp]

how is that a spoiler

[azure nimbus]

I'll say as much that it fits the level

[finite crag]

Why is my Doom crashing, when I'm starting with new campaing?

Over and over...

Help. 😦

[azure nimbus]

unity crashes a lot unfortunately. Only real options are to play on a stronger port(woof, DSDA, gzdoom, eternity, whatever) or just save frequently and deal with it(I assume that you're playing unity because it's the only port that I know of that crashes at all)

[finite crag]

I can't even save, because it crash on this first... video(?).

[azure nimbus]

are you playing unity(version on xb1, ps4, steam) or am i way off?

[finite crag]

Xbox on pc.

[azure nimbus]

what?

[finite crag]

Microsoft bought xbox.

And we can play xbox games on pc.

[azure nimbus]

so gamepass? Some official thing. ok that's unity. Yeah unity port is highly unstable

[finite crag]

Yes, gamepass.

[azure nimbus]

Highly recommend taking your doom2.wad file if you can find it within your machine, and playing on another port.

But beyond that, it's just something that you have to deal with on unity

[finite crag]

I had problems before, but not on the begin. xD That's why I'm asking - i'm the only one with this problem or that's a normal thing. Now I see - it's normal. Sad.

Oh, I'm on the wrong channel. I'm talking about Eternal... Sorry.

[azure nimbus]

then it might be on your end. computer issue like graphics card or something. DE is surprisingly stable. It crashes on occasion but not often. make sure your machine can actually play the game, or consider changing the settings to fit your machine

[finite crag]

I've Acer Predator Helios 300. I think, it's strong enough.

VRAM: 5100/6194

145 FPS, all ultra.

OK, now it works. ♥

[raw heart]

What doom wad is this?

It's in my discord bio

Shows some homebrew grey creature

[dapper flint]

Waiting is probably the best midi made. Super claim

[finite crag]

2, I guess.

[raw heart]

Okay now what mod?

[finite crag]

No idea...

[raw heart]

I'm trying to find the mod, the title says "Doom 3"

[finite crag]

Put the screen on #screenshots and ask a question.

[royal heron]

heh, that's the basics of doom lore down the the very bone

but the universe and lore of doom is extremely vast

[raw heart]

Okay so I managed to find the wad for what I posted in #screenshots turns out it's just a doom 3 mod pack with shitty levels in it
Most of the key cards are just a pain to find in level 1 due to requiring jumping (platform cringe], level 2 was pretty easy for some reason and I got bored of level 3

While Doom 2 levels are the where the fuck do I go at least I had ammo, this was just bad levels with low ammo in the first level and tons in the 2nd

[median haven]

ultra violence is the normal difficulty of doom

[dapper flint]

No UV is hard difficulty in classic doom

Normal is hurt me plenty

[warped jungle]

Can we agree that Final Doom PSX is probably the weirdest version of doom you can play

[median haven]

hurt me pleny is kinda easy ngl

[median haven]

Final Doom PS10?

[dapper flint]

Then definitely stick to UV

It goes I'm to young to die( easy) hurt me plenty ( normal) Ultra violence ( hard) nightmare ( very hard )

[last flower]

Guys I'm playing doom 2 where is the secret wolfenstein level?

[dapper flint]

Map 15 industrial zone secret exit

[last flower]

Thnx

[junior tendon]

@last flower and there's also a "super secret level", at the end of wolfenstein map

[hexed escarp]

Is Delta touch any good?

[dapper flint]

https://youtu.be/Kinjvq5s_mY

[hasty sinew]

[vocal summit]

very

probably the best mobile app

[hexed escarp]

cool

how do you recommend i get the wad files onto my phone

[pearl osprey]

Plug it into your pc

or mail them to yourself

[hexed escarp]

ah yeah

[hexed escarp]

does that work with an android?

[pearl osprey]

Yeah

Just plug it with your charger cable

[hexed escarp]

cool

[pearl osprey]

A notification will appear with some options, choose "File Transfer"

[hexed escarp]

ok

[hexed escarp]

oh i closed the notif lol

how do i get it back

[pearl osprey]

Unplug then replug

[hexed escarp]

ok

thats not an option

only import photos or media files

[pearl osprey]

Media files is file transfer

[hexed escarp]

oh\

[pearl osprey]

I forgot it's different depends on the version of android

[hexed escarp]

i selected photos, and now it always goes to that when i plugged it back in

and i cant get back to the choose window

[pearl osprey]

Search for "USB Prefrences" in your android settings

[hexed escarp]

why do they have to make this so annoying

[pearl osprey]

Mainly security, you don't want someone to plug a USB into your phone and immediately access all your files without unlocking the phone first

[hexed escarp]

i set it to use for file transfer, and it still just goes to photos when i plug it in

[hexed escarp]

yeah thats true

can android read thumb drives

[pearl osprey]

It might show the device as a camera sometimes but it actually has media transfer instead

[hexed escarp]

if i have a usbc adapter?

[pearl osprey]

Yes

[hexed escarp]

ok

[pearl osprey]

You can also just email it to yourself

[hexed escarp]

yeah i can do that, but it feels kinda weird uploading copyrighted files to cloud

[pearl osprey]

Email is private so it's totally fine

specially an email sent to yourself

[vocal summit]

android 12 💀 💀 💀 💀

[hexed escarp]

ye i cant find my usbc adapter so im just gonna do email

completely unrelated question, do you think d4v makes the vanilla doom 2 campaign harder or easier

[vocal summit]

go to android options > about phone > tap "kernel version" until a message pops up saying "you are now a developer" and enable USB debugging

[pearl osprey]

Also let's be real no one is gonna arrest you for sharing doom with yourself 🙃

[hexed escarp]

lol

[pearl osprey]

IIRC you don't need USB Debugging for file transfer

[vocal summit]

you do now

android 12 💀💀💀💀

[pearl osprey]

for real? you need to enable debugging to access files???? that's a really stupid decision if it's true

I am still on android 11 so I haven't seen this stuff

[hexed escarp]

?

[pearl osprey]

idk personally

haven't played it

[vocal summit]

d4v is literally a sprite hack

that's all it changes

[vivid vine]

No?

[hexed escarp]

no

[vivid vine]

It makes enemies act a lot like in 2016

[hexed escarp]

yeah

[vivid vine]

Changes the weapons too

Although the creator really should have stuck around for DE4V

[hexed escarp]

wait is that a thing?

[vivid vine]

Now we have pain elementals but they're all immobile gore nests

No

[hexed escarp]

oh

but do you think it makes it easier or harder

[vivid vine]

Play MetaDoom

It is all dooms

Even the rpg stuff

And its up to things from Eternal

[hexed escarp]

damn i suck at playing on mobile lmao

or maybe its just hard

[pearl osprey]

Mobile is hard imo

[dapper flint]

Meta doom is highly recommended

[verbal geode]

[stiff sigil]

Lol

[vast reef]

played doom on a phone today while in the car

with the right control scheme it can work well, my only problem was switching between weapons quickly

i used to play minecraft bedrock pvp on mobile

[vast reef]

that's the only tricky part but on a larger screen it's fine

my phone is just tiny af

lmao F

[vocal summit]

its not

ultrawide screen phones have the buttons in the center

[vast reef]

oh?

[vast reef]

no i mean 16:9 phones

that are just bigger than mine

[vocal summit]

almost no one has a 16:9 phone nowadays

[vast reef]

because mine is about 5 inches long

[vast reef]

i live in the philippines and that is incredibly untrue here

[vocal summit]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/694870947295002658/982620144159305728/Screenshot_2022-06-04-09-21-18-289_com.opentouchgaming.deltatouch.jpg

[vast reef]

oh damn

well for mods mobile is sorta convoluted

[vocal summit]

hold on

@hexed finch https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/694870947295002658/982621397383782470/Screenshot_2022-06-04-09-26-20-430_com.opentouchgaming.deltatouch.jpg

it does

it comes with freedoom

for what

oh the freedoom app?

PB doesn't work with that

the guns are from pb

i think the texture pack will work

are dropbox links allowed or will i get vega'd

[pearl osprey]

The Freedoom for android app name is so confusing for new players

The older name for the project was GZDoom for android

it was honestly a much better name idk why they changed it

[vocal summit]

should have been called GZDroid

fuck now i want to make an app called GZDroid even though i have no idea how

[pearl osprey]

They use something called Android NDK, basically it can run c/c++ code (which is the programming language used in most source ports) and run it on android

It's very easy compared to porting the source port to Java or Kotlin

but you still gotta be an experienced programmer

[vocal summit]

all i'd need are touch controls and being able to run the app/game

[pearl osprey]

I wish I was smart enough to make an app like that

or honestly you wouldn't need to create a new one from scratch

you can just get the code for freedoom for android and update it to the last GZDoom then change the name

[vocal summit]

preferrably like a mod loader with the gzdoom iwad selection and options

[vocal summit]

true but i dont think updating the app to latest gzdoom is easy

[pearl osprey]

yeah if it was the dev would probably have done it already

[vocal summit]

the dev abandoned it im pretty sure

[pearl osprey]

😔

[hexed escarp]

i wish andrew hulshult made idkfa doom 2

[vocal summit]

it's getting taken off the play store soon

[vocal summit]

he kinda is

last song he remade was posted 5 years ago

[hexed escarp]

yeah

wait has he remade enough doom 2 songs to make idkfa for plutonia?

[finite kestrel]

well in the meantime there is Samuli "Kolibri" Paananen (SxP)'s version which is similarly excellent

[vale gyro]

Not going to lie, that sounds like a name for a droid from Star Wars a bit

[vast reef]

hmm, sorta

[dapper flint]

Legend, that would be great

[cosmic pagoda]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P01d-AmqByU

so now we have reached the point of using all ghosts for speedruns

[vast reef]

does zandronum have any fancy lighting or postprocessing effects like in gzdoom

mainly looking for AO or something similar

i could use reshade but idk how to use it

[hexed escarp]

I want to play with the delashin's smooth doom remake mod, and I have it installed and working, but the problem is i want to load a save that i made without using this mod, and when i try to do that, it gives an error

is there any way i can convert the save to work with the mod?

[unreal pike]

hard-drive.net/report-this-article-can-run-doom anyone know this?

www.reddit.com/r/itrunsdoom/comments/kcr4lu/i_got_doom_to_run_on_video_game_satire_website/

[pearl osprey]

It's doom but in a browser

The article is honestly more entertaining

[vocal summit]

no

[vast reef]

will they be added

or is there a mod

[vocal summit]

no

[vast reef]

the hardware renderer looks like piss without postprocessing

[vocal summit]

zandro devs are a weird bunch honestly

they don't want to update to one of the latest versions of gzdoom

instead choosing to stick with whatever ancient version they're using

[vast reef]

weird

[vocal summit]

can any mods add archive.org to the link exceptions?

[final forge]

Does anyone know who f you can get custom wads on console?

[vocal summit]

you can't

[final forge]

Dang

[dapper flint]

Yeah... and nerve takes its time with add ons

[finite crag]

I cannot express in words how much I dislike slough of despair. Every time I run OG doom I always forget about that level until I hit hell keep.

[azure nimbus]

Slough of Despair, more like it's actually good

[vocal summit]

og doom falls apart at around e3m2

[azure nimbus]

e3m2 is an A tier map. If you don't like it, you're a hater

[finite crag]

Especially when you hit those American McGee maps in E4.

[vocal summit]

i actually went into e3m2 to remember how bad it was

[vocal summit]

when i saw the map name i was like ooooooooh

[azure nimbus]

try it on nightmare then, if hunting down the last couple monsters is too annoying

[final forge]

Who else thinks doom has better level designs than doom 2

[vocal summit]

everyone

[finite crag]

Okay if e3m2 is A tier I’d love to hear your fav map to run in UV. Not speedrunn Or anything just in general.

@final forge not me. Tbh I’m general I find anything past the e1 on Doom 2 not as good as doom 1.

[azure nimbus]

For ultraviolence, e4m6 is up there. e1m3 is pretty good. e2...ok nothing great in there for uv tbh. e3m4 is nice. e3m6 is a cool map, but I prefer it in NM because hunting the last monsters takes forever. e4m1 is pretty good. e4m2, prefer on NM.

Eh even e4m6 has issues with hunting rando extra monsters(cacos outside the fortress). Probably e1m3 is the strongest map to play on UV.

[final forge]

They should add a event to eternal were they make skins that make the weapons look like the ones from the original doom and quake

[vocal summit]

i kinda regret buying d2 on switch tbh because of how shit the maps are, no rest for the living is banger tho

[azure nimbus]

they've never had skins that change the complete models. idk if they could handle that without changing stuff relatively majorly

d2 has some map variance sure, but it does have some good ones, and levels that even if...odd, were inspirational for future designers. And most importantly, you get doom2.wad

[final forge]

I don’t mean the models just the color pallet like the chaingun would be silver

[azure nimbus]

I'd be interested to see if that would be "convincing". Some weapons maybe, like there is the classic combat shotgun model

A lot of levels just don't seem to be designed with uvmax in mind.

[finite crag]

I think it’s still worth it just to have tbh. I have every doom (besides eternal) on my switch plus duke 3D, quake, strife, dusk, warlock project, the turoks, and ion fury and it’s basically how I get my boomer shooter kicks in on the daily.

I feel like I could run e1 OG doom blindfolded at this point but it’s like therapeutic to me to get home from work and run through that episode.

[vocal summit]

damn what sd card you using?

dumb decision from nintendo to not have 128gb be the default for the switch

[thick stag]

we've made almost everything run doom and now we must ask the ultimate question
can the human brain run doom

[finite crag]

Not sure the size exactly because it hasn’t left my switch since I got it, but it’s around 128 I’m pretty sure.

But look at the sizes of those games lol, they are hella small. Doom is only like 500ish mb I think. Quake is the biggest, maybe dusk at like 1.5gb

[vocal summit]

doom 2016 at 21gb

[finite crag]

Oh I have that on cart. I buy physical when I can.

[vocal summit]

well shit, buying physical in brazil is almost impossible

most stores only sell xbox and playstation games

[finite crag]

Damn that’s tough. Normally I buy Amazon or local retro store.

[vocal summit]

we have amazon, shipping is a problem tho

nintendo has almost no place in the game market here

so importing is the only way to go

[finite crag]

Plus I’m sure Nintendo’s anti consumer practices don’t help.

[vocal summit]

most of them are just regular corporate shit

[finite crag]

I disagree with that one, Nintendo has always been kinda anti consumer in its practices tbh. I love Nintendo, I’m a Nintendo fan. I also feel like you can’t really be a Nintendo fan without also kinda hating Nintendo too.

[vocal summit]

what are you exactly talking about

[finite crag]

Oh man that will take some time. I’ll throw out a few.

1. The scarcity they love making to spur panic buys and keep demand high. Look at what’s happening with the N64 switch controllers.

2. joy con drift is a thing that still exists.

3. the switch online functionality is years behind the current status quo.

4. their pricing is insane and almost never drops on any first party stuff.

5. they copyright strike everything. If you’re a content creator and mod or create for any of their first party games you will eventually be hit by them with a cease and desist.

[vocal summit]

1. yeah
2. had my switch for a long time and never experienced it
3. idk never played online
4. yeah, and they dont account for inflation in other countries either, so in brazil each game is 300R$ (sony does this too)
5. never seen a mod get taken down, unless it's distributing original game roms

[pearl osprey]

The number of anti consumer practices Nintendo does is just freaky

I am glad the Steam deck is competing with the Switch

[finite crag]

Totally agree. It’s about time someone else entered the handled space legitimately. Hopefully it will spur competition from Nintendo and they will get their shit together.

[vocal summit]

i think nintendo will still win at the end of the day tho, since they already have more market share

[pearl osprey]

Steam deck can emulate Switch games

Switch can't emulate a PC

[vocal summit]

not necessarily legally tho, but you can

[pearl osprey]

You can do it legally

[finite crag]

I agree, but not due to the tech. There’s been multiple times where Nintendo has outperformed superior tech simply because their first party apps are so killer.

[vocal summit]

if you own a switch

[pearl osprey]

Great point

[vocal summit]

i started having a lot less problems after starting legally emulating games

especially dolphin

[finite crag]

I’m still enjoying running ps1 games natively on my psp after installing CFW. Im a handheld gaming collecter and modder so I will be getting pretty much any handheld lol.

[vocal summit]

get a 3ds/ds

homebrew goldmine

[finite crag]

I have every gameboy iteration, and (almost) every ds iteration. In fact recently I turned a DSlite into a gameboy macro, turned out great.

Now I just am trying to find the stuff like the nomad and game gear.

[vale gyro]

Random question, but how often do you guys save if at all? I only save at the start of levels, when I pick up a key, or have to get off

[finite crag]

Kinda depends on the map really. Maps I hate normally I’ll save scum a bit but in general I’ll only save at the start of e3 levels because I can’t be asked to pistol start.

[dapper flint]

Saving is good to practice fights learn the map but when I do a run for real or record it I don't save. I find not saving will help you become a better player over all

[vale gyro]

For me, I’m currently doing all 4 episodes and I’m saving as I’m barely used to e1 myself

I bet I’ll start saving less when I’m doing a second run

[azure nimbus]

feel free to save all you like. Just be aware that if you want to get stronger as a player, that usually means reducing allotted saves. Practice might mean making a save on every fight. And using excess saves within a fight can be disoriented. But it's up to you.

Is shareware doom e1 still available for free?

[finite crag]

yes

there is a github page that I unfortunately can't link here (cuz of vega) that has shareware/demo versions of doom, hexen, heretic, and strife i believe

also you can probably find it on archive.org

[azure nimbus]

would it well...work easily for people who are not knowledgeable about fancy ports or dosbox? Obviously, if I want a new person to try the game, I don't think I can convince them to download a port

[finite crag]

nope, they require DOSBox

[hexed escarp]

Has anybody ever done a Speedrun of ultimate doom, doom 2 and final Doom back to back?

[vast reef]

like a single-segment run except it's multiple wads?

so it's a wadsmoosh speedrun

[gusty falcon]

I entered that rabbit hole in late March

[vocal summit]

wadsmoosh is one of the best things ever created

[vast reef]

yes

along with maybe zmovement

[cosmic pagoda]

https://youtu.be/trj-vEp6rDo

another 2 way wall run this time in an iwad

[low tinsel]

Good day slayers

anyone know how to activate the console in dsda doom?

[molten iron]

You need to bind it yourself

Go to options -> setup -> Key bindings

[low tinsel]

thank

[hexed escarp]

sort of like the marihour speedrun

where you play all of the old mario games back to back in an hour

[finite crag]

Anyone know if there’s a run of doom out there where the runner only uses the map screen to play?

[dapper flint]

That's horrid

[azure nimbus]

maaybe more doable with iddt?

[prime lava]

I think there's a TNT3 map (jokewad) like that

don't think you can see anything out of the automap

[finite crag]

hi, i was wondering if gzdoom is still a good way to play classic or are there better/newer options?

[dapper flint]

If you want to mod then gz. If you want a more classic experience then don't use gz

[finite crag]

what could you recommend? usually if i wanna play dos games, i go for dosbox pure with retroarch and it works fine

[azure nimbus]

Dosbox works, and I know people who use it, but woof or eternity or gzdoom, or dsda will be easier to set up

[slim willow]

none of the popular doomtubers play mobile

[limpid zinc]

For vanilla experience I recommend crispy doom. It's based on chocolate doom (which is meant to perfectly recreate the DOS experience) but has a couple of extra options like slightly higher resolution and some "crispness" settings that you can fiddle with

[azure nimbus]

Beyond the all ghosts effect, dsda/woof are vanilla compat but also have boom and mbf options. Does choco or crispy do stuff that woof or dsda can't other than all ghosts?

[vivid vine]

They can run demos on the original doom 2 exe because they fully replicate how it worked in DOS

They don't have changes to the game even on a Boom level at all beyond Crispy being limit removing. And that's what they have.

[azure nimbus]

Do you know how woof or dsda run demos if not on doom2's executable?

[vivid vine]

The 1994 DOS Doom 2 Exe off the floppy that wouldn't be able to run things from most source ports, thats what exe compatible means

Basically any change would make a demo crash if you had tried to play it off of that, but Chocolate and Vanilla can

They have a lack of features and are much closer to the original while even with complevel other ports are really only pretending to run like the original

[azure nimbus]

idk if I've even seen a floppy. my computer definitely doesn't have a slot

[calm cradle]

Latest release of GZDoom: https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=75532

[vast reef]

zdgom

[molten iron]

dsda-doom and woof do have the all ghosts bug on vanilla compat

Because that is the behaivior of vanilla

for Boom, it was fixed, so for boom/etc compat it doenst have this bug

[azure nimbus]

I tried doing it a bunch of times and never got it. Maybe I didn't get enough monsters lined up? I waited 2 h on icon of sin, and 0.5 h on map33 of nerf

[molten iron]

I know that aconfusedhuman has got it a bunch of time when speedrunning TNT using dsda-doom

I never got it myself tho

You need to make sure that you are using a vanilla complevel

Like -complevel 2/3/4

[azure nimbus]

Maybe dsda does it but woof doesn't? idk that would be weird. woof is clearly based on dsda imo

How about I load up map 30, throw on increased gamespeed, let it sit for a few minutes and I'll test it out again. I had icon of sin sitting for 3 h now. still no all ghosts. I'll rewatch the decino video and see if I'm doing it wrong

[azure nimbus]

I waited 254 min of in-game time and shot through the corpses with hitscan. With over 352000 kills, if woof had this, it would've triggered. from cl2

[molten iron]

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/129581-doom-e1m8-in-17-seconds-and-plutonia-map-11-in-9-seconds/
You can try to see if these demos work correctly (with the all ghosts bug) on woof

I dont have woof installed to try it

[azure nimbus]

worked on dsda. not on woof

[molten iron]

hmm weird

[azure nimbus]

I still like woof, and for the vast majority of demos, it'll be vanilla compat. But it doesn't have that very very rare bug

[finite crag]

I have a question for the whole chat. Is the cacodemon pog a fake sprite or is it actually made by Id software?

My first doom experience was eternal but I ended up getting doom 3 bfg edition that came with doom 1&2 as well and I got pretty interested in classic doom from that.

[royal heron]

It's a fake sprite lol

It's funny though

[finite crag]

I love that sprite 🙂

[molten iron]

not as funny as caco taco

[vast reef]

^

[finite crag]

Also when the doom guy is sus

That one is pretty good

[dapper flint]

Epic.

[vocal summit]

anyone know some good but very short wads

[molten iron]

I usually play 30 level megawads, so I consider AUGUER:ZENITH short

It is amazing

oh wait it has 21 levels

damn, I was almost certain it only had 9

well nevermind

[dapper flint]

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/127139-moonlit-district-now-on-idgames/

[dapper flint]

@vocal summit

[vocal summit]

honestly less than like 10 levels

[dapper flint]

Really enjoyed this one

[vocal summit]

it disables jump mouselook and crouch

honestly if it didnt doomworld users would get mad

they're that type

[dapper flint]

Nah if you're playing on gz you can still do all that

It says it should be

[azure nimbus]

tangerine nightmare. French orange themed sorta halloween wad. Especially map07 is a real adventure

[dapper flint]

Tangerine is a good time. Having fun making demos for it at the moment

[vocal summit]

how long is that

[azure nimbus]

8 normal maps(8th having a monster spawner and romero head(but no shooting rockets into a wall)). Then map09 is credits. map09 has a secret which opens an exit to map10 which is the secret level of sorts. It is extremely difficult. But other than map10, the first 8 regular levels are casual friendly

[vocal summit]

i'll take a look at that and moonlit district

thanks

[dapper flint]

It's a far easier map set except for map 7

[vernal thunder]

Does anyone know an accurate BPM to all the songs in doom 1 2 and final doom?

[raw heart]

Does anyone know what the health drops are even suppose to be?

These blue smurf poos

Imagine these are just demon droppings and doom guy just gets hp back from picking them up

[vocal summit]

they're potions

[raw heart]

I kinda see that yet that's more of a fairy tale goblin thing

[vocal summit]

how

it's literally a potion

[vivid vine]

And the armor bonuses are ancient helmets

[raw heart]

Potions aren't exactly something you'd see in a reality/hell story

[vivid vine]

They make pretty fine sense there. Especially given Doom's basic idea came from a D&D campaign they had and potions are in fantasy for a reason. Black magic, witchcraft, I'm not sure how they wouldn't fit with demons

[vast reef]

mods that add eerie audio?

i like the one in dead marine

[vast reef]

then they aren't potions

they're advanced highly engineered chemicals

easy

[west thorn]

Hi I'm interested im Classic DOOM/

[vast reef]

yoo

what type of classic doom do you play

pure vanilla?
zdoom vanilla?
vanilla with some enhancement mods?
or your own modded setup

i play all of those regularly except for zdoom vanilla

[vocal summit]

that cyberdemon on map03 is shredding me

maybe i shouldn't have played it with PB

[cosmic pagoda]

uhh trying to nm100s e3m2

I go for the plasma first and then get cornered somewhere at some point

sometimes I make it to the chaingun and then get cornered

turbo pinkies aint a joke

[vocal summit]

chainsaw

punch is useless against turbo pinkies but the chaninsaw will shred through them

[cosmic pagoda]

thanks for tip

wait is there a chainsaw in e2m3?

[vocal summit]

not sure

[cosmic pagoda]

Chainguns 1 1 1
Rocket launchers 1 1 1
Plasma guns 1 1 1

nope

and I meant e3m2 not e2m3

the hand map 😛

[cosmic pagoda]

ughhhhh

[azure nimbus]

I think they're memeing you. chainsaw on nightmare is suicide. Berserk is meh as a last resort

[dapper flint]

There shouldn't be a cyber. Just a archie

At the end

[vocal summit]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/498342220815007785/984087480154349568/Screenrecorder-2022-06-08-07-13-20-1960.mp4

@dapper flint

[dapper flint]

That's map 2

[vocal summit]

yeah

[dapper flint]

Go through the door on the right , go up the stairs and if you want you can shoot it from the top railing without it being able to destroy you.

[vocal summit]

i already killed it

using the freeze gun

froze it and kicked it a couple of times

[cosmic pagoda]

oh ok

I think I have put like 50 attempts into that level

I'll crack it eventually

just played through plutonia for warm up during last few days

go 2 it is a nice map to practise 2 tapping cybies btw

you know I realised I get bogged down by souls more than I do by turbos

[vocal summit]

ruined the fun

[true smelt]

Hello !
Did someone know where can I ask in this server for a Deathmatch with Classic Doom games using GZDoom and Hamachi ?

[hexed escarp]

Is there anywhere I can get a pre-setup dosbox with doom? Like with run scripts to launch the game and setup applications?

Not with the wad ofc

[cosmic pagoda]

doom doesnt need much setup just the settings tbh

but if you want the dos experience, why not play with chocolate doom

less messing around

[raw heart]

Mods removed my doom port tier list

It is now cannon and everybody else's tier list is wrong

[vapid nebula]

I just destroyed a hardcore doom fan on dust2 on zandronum
i'm in this community for like what? a few weeks?

:doom_marine_smile:

he rage quitted
or normal quitted can't know for sure

[raw heart]

Imagine removing my tier list also bruh, I was saying pure facts

[vapid nebula]

XDDD

lookatmynewpfp.wad

[true smelt]

You can have one on GoG but it's not free

[hexed escarp]

if i already have the wad is there somewhere i can find one?

[true smelt]

Maybe I can make you a .bat file with dosbox ?

[hexed escarp]

It's ok, I can probably figure it out myself

[raw heart]

Also I tried Doom 3 in Doom 1&2 Mod

And they replicated Doom 3 alright, the shotgun has the worse firepower for you but for the enemies they take up to 60 hp with 1 shotgun blast to you and it isn't a rifle anymore which hurts the game since it forces you to use the pistol to snipe enemies then the enemies take like 12 shots to take down

Plus the max armor you can get now is 125🐸

Which makes the game unnecessarily hard

[gusty falcon]

Sounds like that is a joke mod

Not something anyone would use seriously

[azure nimbus]

the doom3 shotgun should do more damage than usual. just terrible spread

[dapper flint]

Machine gun burst then a swap to shotgun usually does the trick

[raw heart]

It's actually very well done

And it got updates for a while so I take it as a serious mod

[vale gyro]

Doom kid has downloads for the original files if I can remember correctly

That’s where I got the files from

[raw heart]

Imagine naming yourself Doom Kid

DoomBrah sounds more right

[vast reef]

creepy-ish wads or wads that have no outdoor areas?

[vocal summit]

universal ambience

[vocal summit]

Dark Universe part 1

(takes place entirely inside of the doom 3 uac ship)

[vast reef]

thank you very much

[vast reef]

thank you even more

[vocal summit]

dark universe is a zdoom wad

so no woofs or booms there

https://www.moddb.com/games/doom-ii/addons/universal-ambience
https://www.moddb.com/games/doom-ii/downloads/dark-universe-part-1

[vast reef]

what are some good monster packs?

i've really been enjoying project malice

play it with a dash mod and maybe some cosmetic mods (smooth doom and hd sounds) and you've got a very fast and fun game

way better than brutal doom

[dapper flint]

[vast reef]

tbh i like brutal doom's weapons and gore

the monsters kinda just fall flat for me

[royal heron]

hm

I might try going back and redoing my E1M3 NM100S run

[vocal summit]

get Nash Muhandes' Gore mod

https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=62641

or this

https://www.moddb.com/mods/brutal-doom/downloads/bdv21-monsters-only-version

[dapper flint]

Really enjoy that one. I like how you can adjust it so it's just right for what you want

[vast reef]

already have it

probably my favorite gore mod

[vocal summit]

it is really good

[vast reef]

yep

[steel meadow]

should i play shores of hell?

i have ultimate doom

[dapper flint]

Yes

[hexed escarp]

does the setup exe from the doom shareware work for final doom and doom 2?

[pearl osprey]

They all have different exes

[finite crag]

my favourite version of doom in my opinion!

i perferred the gameplay in this one over doom 2

i like this one as it has good levels i found.

[jolly mountain]

so you like classic doom?

name all the enemies

[azure nimbus]

#classic-doom is for doom1, doom2, (I suppose the various console ports as well), and the litany of custom levels made over the decades. This isn't only for doom1

[finite crag]

?

[finite crag]

Lost Soul, Baron Of Hell, Cacodemon, Revenant, Mancubus and Cyberdemon

[azure nimbus]

You said that you preferred the gameplay of "this one" over doom2. So I figured that you were under the impression that "this one" was from the name of the discord channel. Scrolling up, ult doom was mentioned so ig I'm dumb.

[dapper flint]

https://imgur.com/a/iEQtIkU

Perfectly safe room I bet

[slim willow]

the megasphere and conveniently placed switch are for show

[dapper flint]

Just a dozen revs 4 mancubus and 2 archies in a tiny room. No big deal

[slim willow]

Yeah not at all

[lilac jungle]

E1m4 nightmare on mobile it is almost impossible, the movement has to be perfect

[hexed escarp]

In vanilla doom mapping, can you put the story text at the beginning of any level, or is it hardcoded to specific levels

[fickle adder]

I bet you could somehow with gzdoom

But it’s hardcoded

[vocal summit]

just like some things are hardcoded to map07

you could try doing that with dehacked

[azure nimbus]

it is only after map06, map11, map20, map15 and 31's secret exits, and 29.

[halcyon willow]

The only way I am aware of that you can move the story texts is via mapinfo

[hexed escarp]

im playing plutonia for the first time and im on map03, and i need help

i just got to a room where you walk into it, and an archvile pops up

how tf am i supposed to fight it, there is literally nothing to hide behind

and its attack is undodgable

[dapper flint]

Do you mean the red key room ?

[hexed escarp]

no

when you come out into the place with 3 paths

you go to the middle one, and then there is a big room

and an archie

and no cover

[dapper flint]

The one that rises from the lift?

[hexed escarp]

yeah

[dapper flint]

Rush it shoot it. Let it target you so it doesn't push forward. You run back into where you came and repeat. The trick is to get it to attack you so you're not cornered. You can also jump down where it came from. Back up shoot hug wall when targeted and repeat

[hexed escarp]

ok

so you basically just pray that it doesnt end up targetting you while its perfectly centered

so you can hide in the hallway

[dapper flint]

Right. You want to make it agro so it attacks. That's a trick you'll need for alot of wads where you need to keep a archie where you want it

[azure nimbus]

there is a block that you can use to block the splash damage(archie zaps only do 20 damage if you have a block at your feet between you and the vile). and a rev to help infight. With that said, the map03 viles are cruel

[halcyon willow]

The block has to be at least 25 map units high for that to work but yeah, you can block the blast damage element of the archie attack that way (which is most of the damage)

[azure nimbus]

decino's vid talks about 24 as the minimum(or lower until 17 if you play with standing slightly far away from the wall

[halcyon willow]

24 is hard to pull off because you can accidentally step over the block

[hexed escarp]

i just had simultaneously the worst and funniest idea for a doom wad

[azure nimbus]

that would be pretty funny

[hexed escarp]

its called icon of sans, and basically it replaces the icon of sin wall texture with sans' head, and the cubes are coming out of his mouth, and opening to hell is replaced with megalovania

[vivid vine]

Pro Doom Monster Strats

[vocal summit]

probably not too hard honestly

hardest part would be the fact the icon of sin's texture is split into like 3 or 4 texturss

[hexed escarp]

im making a megalovania midi cover rn actually

thats how i got the idea

oh also id use a deh to make him only spawn revenants lmao

[vocal summit]

if you wanna make it vanilla compatible

give up

[hexed escarp]

oh lol

how come

[vocal summit]

it's one of the most limited and headache inducing engines ever

[hexed escarp]

is boom any better?

[vocal summit]

a lot better

still kinda hardcoded tho, just go for zdoom

[hexed escarp]

eh, i find zdoom to be ruining the point (for me at least, other people do whatever they want)

[vocal summit]

og zdoom?

it's pretty vanilla all things considered

[hexed escarp]

does it have 3d floors?

[vocal summit]

it's only when you get to like gzdoom where it starts to get different

[vocal summit]

it doesn't even support hardware rendering

[hexed escarp]

oh

[finite crag]

yes

[vocal summit]

how does it have 3d floors if it doesnt even support 3d rendering

[finite crag]

3d floors does not require 3d rendering

[slim willow]

doom is 3d

its just limited 3d

[vocal summit]

3d floors is gzdoom

im talking about zdoom

[wide steppe]

ducino

[finite crag]

zdoom DOES have 3d floors

[tulip herald]

doom builder users try not to hate eachother challenge

[slim willow]

(gone wrong)

[hexed escarp]

Is there a good multiplayer specific port that’s not based on zdoom?

[pearl osprey]

Odamex is based on prboom iirc

Wait no nvm

It's based on ZDoom too

[hexed escarp]

oh

thats too bad, someone should make a prboom plus online multiplayer fork, that would be cool

[pearl osprey]

According to doomwiki here's a list of all "Multiplayer-focused source ports":
csDoom
Odamex
Zandronum
Zdaemon
Literally all of these are based on ZDoom

[hexed escarp]

bre

i dont have anything against zdoom, but i wish there was a more vanilla compatible online multiplayer port

[pearl osprey]

You can play multiplayer with a any source port you want, but you'll have to use local lan or port forwarding or some other shenanigans that most people don't have time to do just to play multiplayer doom

[pearl osprey]

I agree with this, coop in boom/vanilla maps sounds fun as hell

[hexed escarp]

ive just been using chocolate doom and hamachi

it works fairly well, but is a bit laggy

[hexed escarp]

yeah, ive been playing plutonia with my friend

[pearl osprey]

Sounds very fun tbh

[hexed escarp]

yeah, we are not the best at doom so our strategy basically becomes clear out as much as we can but once we get to a hard enemy just repeatedly respawn and use the limited ammo we get from the reusable weapon pickups to just repeatedly rush the enemy

basically just die over and over again to get more ammo

[pearl osprey]

Lol I used to do that when playing sunlust

Eventually I gave up

At like map4

[hexed escarp]

we have just gotten to hunted

yeah but thats the one thing i dislike about doom coop

is that eventually once you have killed most of the fallen humans and picked up all of the ammo in the level, if you die, you have very little ammo to work with

at that point, your only source of ammo becomes the reusable weapon pickups

[pearl osprey]

I think in Zandronum there is an option to keep weapons after death, but what I'd really like in a vanilla like multiplayer with the option to drop weapons on death

Kinda like minecraft

[hexed escarp]

ah yeah

and ammo as well

im not quite as far in my singleplayer plutonia playthrough

respawning makes it much easier lmao

im only on map03

[limber rivet]

i do not like the 2nd episode of doom

[azure nimbus]

:(

[dapper flint]

[limber rivet]

thats not my problem i dont like that ammo is essentialy non-existant but maybe thats just skill-issue

[hexed escarp]

Is sigil compatible with dos?

[azure nimbus]

there is an alternate but equally available version of sigil that replaces episode 3 instead of acting as a 5th episode. I think it's called lim removing on doomwiki because of the e5 stuff but maybe it really isn't fully fully vanilla.

[hexed escarp]

Would it be possible to make a deh that lists it as the 5th episode in vanilla doom?

[cloud talon]

The best version of doom is clearly the snes version

[finite crag]

Actually its the gba version

[cloud talon]

Thats impossible

The gba version has a somewhat stable framerate

[slim willow]

I like my Doom between 4 and 12 frames per second.

[azure nimbus]

anyone here played REKKR? I've tried a few times but just can't get into the enemies or art style -- though I really like some of the weapons

[tacit remnant]

I have but haven’t ever been able to beat the second level

I like the look of it fine though— it’s a fun look and is a nice contrast to how these WADs typically look

[hexed escarp]

i want to make a doom wad but i have no inspiration, does anybody have any tips for getting ideas?

[wide steppe]

i feel the same way, i wanna get into it but im really just not into the medieval/viking stuff

[vast reef]

odamex has vanilla behavior if i remember correctly

[vast reef]

it felt a little all over the place to me in terms of level aesthetic but i still think the levels are really fun to play through and they all look good on their own (except for maybe e2m1)

[azure nimbus]

e2m3 is weird. But it's about being weird imo. m5 can drag though

[vast reef]

agreed

[dapper flint]

Yall don't like vines ?

[hexed escarp]

lmao im learning how to make dehackeds and i made one that ends the level when you kill a zombieman

[dapper flint]

Neat !

[proud scarab]

good god i forgor how hard this is

[hexed escarp]

would it be possible with a deh to make an enemy shoot bfg balls?

[hexed escarp]

i figured it out

[azure nimbus]

did you get it vanilla compat?

[hexed escarp]

i just modified an existing projectile to be identical to bfg balls

yes

lemme tell you, the spider mastermind is terrifying when it fires bfg balls

[azure nimbus]

nice. The bfg ball is pretty much just an arachnotron plasma ball with a bigger sprite and instead of 5d8, it's a 100d8

[hexed escarp]

and it calls bfgspray

[azure nimbus]

bfgspray is not related to the ball. Do you want just the ball, the tracers, or both?

bfgspray is the tracers

[hexed escarp]

both

and i got both

i just made the arachnotron projectile use the bfg ball states, which call bfgspray

i wonder if it would be possible to beat doom or doom 2 if all enemies had bfgs

[tacit remnant]

Probably not

[hexed escarp]

im currently in the process of making the deh to test this

im just replacing all of the enemies attacks with the arachnotrons attacks

lmao should the icon of sin just spit out bfg balls instead of cubes

[hexed escarp]

so far i was able to beat e1m1 e1m2 and part of e1m3

so far e1m1 was the hardest since you didnt have the shotgun

[dapper flint]

https://youtu.be/YO1lVCABNWs

[finite crag]

brutal doom is awesome

i just started playing it today and i loved the details

they added realistic death animations

[hexed escarp]

is it ok to include some of the doom1/2 skies in my wad so i can rearrange them?

[pearl osprey]

idk. but you can use texture patches to rearrange textures without including the actual textures

[vocal summit]

try project brutality, it's a good fork of BD

[hexed escarp]

oh, does that work in vanilla?

[pearl osprey]

Yes

[hexed escarp]

cool

thank you

[hexed escarp]

how does one go about doing this?

[pearl osprey]

In slade you can right click a texture and choose "add to TextureX" after a texturex lump has been created you can choose the texture you want and arrange it however you want

You can even create a new texture using a combination of existing ones

There is a wad that has a few hundred textures of vanilla doom, without actually including the textures themselves, only texture patches

I can dm you that wad if u want

[hexed escarp]

huh ok, is it possible to get the doom 1 sky textures in doom 2 with this method or are they not there

[hexed escarp]

wait so do i open doom2.wad in slade or do i open my wad

[plain orbit]

Question,what is the difference between GZDoom and ZDoom?

[rigid tartan]

Still waiting on when we'll get Brutal DOOM mods on console...

[high path]

one has a G in it

[dapper flint]

Never going to happen. The unity release is only limit removing

[rigid tartan]

Aw, crud.

[azure nimbus]

the best feature of unity is lacking BD

[vivid vine]

Get MetaDoom

[limpid zinc]

The main difference is that GZDoom supports opengl and more advanced graphics settings so if you don't care about it being faithful and just want to pump up the graphics as much as you can you may be better off with GZDoom rather than Zdoom (tbh there's really no reason to use Zdoom anymore as it doesn't offer anything that GZDoom doesn't). If you want to try to be somewhat faithful while still being able to support boom-compatible mods I would suggest PRBoom+ over both GZDoom and Zdoom, and if you don't care about mods that need more than just limit removing then I'd just use Crispy doom.

[azure nimbus]

DSDA also supports openGL and is vanilla compat. It even has all-ghosts. Don't forget, zdoom can run lilith

[zenith berry]

Let me guess, for its death state you used Mastermind/Icon/Cyberdemon's level exit trigger state, right?

But my closest bet is the Icon since death of him always ends the level. Whereas the Cyberdemon and the Mastermind both and respectively only takes you to intermission in specific levels, map 08 of episodes 2 to 4.

[hexed escarp]

Yeah I did icon death

I didn't change it's state, I just replaced the scream action in it's death state with icon death action

[zenith berry]

Well yeah that's what I meant.

[hexed escarp]

I'm messing with dehackeds because I want to try to make a custom boss level at some point

I'm fairly new to the doom community, but from the small amount of stuff I have seen, it seems like doom has a similar issue to super Mario maker 2 where there is only a kinda small number of boss enemies so most bossfights just ending up being slight variations of the same fight

So the idea of a custom boss intrigues me

[vocal summit]

it also supports decorate, acs and zscript

[hexed escarp]

does mbf allow for the deh file to be stored in the wad?

[molten iron]

I think it all depends on the Source Port. Not on the map format

[hexed escarp]

ok

i was trying to play eviternity on winmbf but it crashed when i tried to load a level

any idea why?

[pearl osprey]

iirc almost all source ports allow this, (except chocolate doom maybe?)

[hexed escarp]

cool

[hexed escarp]

do imp and caco fireballs have any differences other than appearance?

[vivid vine]

Damage

Imp fireballs do 3-24 and Cacodemon lightning does 5-40, same as a plasma gun shot

[grand hemlock]

how do u download the classic doom

pls tell me

[vivid vine]

Buy it on steam

[grand hemlock]

ca

[azure nimbus]

within doom2 on steam, you can find the doom2.wad file. That is the file that you use to play on sourceports outside of steam

[grand hemlock]

nn u have it foe free when u already bought it via id sorftware tihingy

[hexed escarp]

oh ok, thank you

[vocal summit]

Boom ports do

[hexed escarp]

cool

[vocal summit]

and the rereleases only support wads with the deh built in

[hexed escarp]

oh unity supports dehs?

[vocal summit]

yeah

[hexed escarp]

cool

does unity support boom and/or zdoom editing features or no?

[azure nimbus]

nope

unity is lim removing vanilla

[hexed escarp]

ah

[hexed escarp]

what option do i select in ultimate doom builder to make an mbf compat map

[dapper flint]

After giving another playthrough of btsx.. I have to say it isn't as epic as I remember playing it the first time through unity

[pearl osprey]

Click tools > game configurations > look for "MBF21: Doom 2 (Doom format)" and check the checkbox > create a new map and you should have mbf option

[hexed escarp]

ok

is mbf21 the same as regular mbf?

[azure nimbus]

different comp levels mbf is cl11 and mbf21 is cl21

[dapper flint]

I really thought there was a discord section for this. Pretty sure it's map mods or something like that

[pearl osprey]

#classic-doom-maps-mods

[dapper flint]

There we go

[pearl osprey]

It's not the exact same but I couldn't find the older MBF in game configs 😅

[dapper flint]

Really should just be in classic doom. Doesn't make sense for 2 different places

[hexed escarp]

ok

[sleek mirage]

i HATE pain elementals

[hexed escarp]

Same

They are the worst enemy in doom 2

[azure nimbus]

no. People who hate Pains ele's in doom2 never played doom64

[hexed escarp]

Yeah I have not

[azure nimbus]

by all means, they're the high tier enemy used the most aggressively in doom2.wad so they can feel disproportionally annoying, as well as having a unique ability. My real take is that every enemy can be placed well, even if you dislike some of their placements. Since I mentioned, d64 pains are more aggressive and lost souls are far more aggressive than usual, and pains explode when they die, and a lost soul that fails to spawn(tries spawning in a wall or inside a monster/player) will explode.

[dapper flint]

They're not that bad. Just need to make sure to rush them and make them a priority. Get into their face and use a stun lock weapon. I prefer chaingun but plasma if you have it. Get in close so it can't lost soul. Rush into its body as it explodes

[sleek mirage]

Will try those strats

The doom manual is pretty good at describing him: "killing him is almost as bad as letting him live"

[hexed escarp]

I just already despised lost souls so I hate something that infinitely creates them

[dapper flint]

If they are low to the ground during a large fight you can also swing around them upclose stun them and use them as a shield as they take in enemy projectiles

[sleek mirage]

Fr 💀

[hexed escarp]

is it bad that during my first playthrough of plutonia, im saving at the end of pretty much every large encounter?

[azure nimbus]

nah that's fine, probably the healthiest way to play new maps imo. Full playthroughs saveless -- they're what I like doing -- but after practice. It's really hard to figure out routing or even layout without saves. And it's a good middleground from saving every second which can be disorienting and let you rely too heavily on rng

[hexed escarp]

yeah, and it allows me to enjoy it better since im still not the best at doom

[jade wharf]

They cool

[hexed escarp]

is it possible to make prboom+ load a vanilla/chocolate doom save file?

with like a converter or smthn?

[vast reef]

gonna agree with mmjp08's doom 64 statement

[azure nimbus]

game

[vast reef]

pain elementals are good enemies, just annoying because they're the most-used high tier enemy in doom 2

their purpose is usually to limit the player's movement with lost souls

[finite crag]

started playing tnt again
at map 20 now
almost at the funny habitat level!!!!

[sleek mirage]

Lost souls are just annoying

[azure nimbus]

player sized skulls

[tacit remnant]

Lost Souls are an infuriating combination of being fast, relatively difficult to hit, and being slightly tankier than it should be

To elaborate on that last bit, the fact that Lost Souls usually don’t die to one shotgun shot is so frustrating

[vast reef]

yeah that's the part that sucks the most about them in my opinion

i think EVP (enhanced vanilla project) gets everything right

the chainsaw does way more damage and the lost soul dies in a single shotgun shot

[azure nimbus]

simply win the 1/256 chance to 1-hit them with shotgun /s

[vast reef]

lmao

[normal jacinth]

Ok Im new and I want to know how to add monsters in project brutality 3.0 i just wanna add carnage

And Im THE ANGRY VIDEO GAME NERD

[proud pilot]

jesus the strobing effect in this one part of eternal doom map05 is making me dizzy

fucking timegate man

[dapper flint]

Lost souls definitely need to be a one shotgun shot kill. One of the reasons I enjoyed eviternity

[mellow matrix]

I'll take it a step further and say that manually placing lost souls should be illegal

I can appreciate Pain Elementals spawning them because there's strategy and decision making when fighting them but otherwise ew

[dapper flint]

Definitely agree

[finite crag]

Is online multiplayer on doom I or II a thing?

[pearl osprey]

Yes, you can use a multiplayer source port like Zandronum

[hexed escarp]

Do you guys think anybody is ever gonna make an online multiplayer source port based on prboom plus?

[pearl osprey]

Doom is experiencing a lack of open source developers so I don't think so

[hexed escarp]

Oh ok

I would do it but I don't know shit about C or online multiplayer

Or networking in general

[pearl osprey]

iirc both the c programming language and anything related to networking are hard to learn

[hexed escarp]

Yeah

I know the very very basics of c++

But I only really know object oriented programming and C doesn't have that

[finite crag]

I’m running Doom I and II on GZDoom with WAD files from an archive on a mac. How could I get Zandronum onto it? Do they have a website or a github or something?

[hexed escarp]

Zandronum is a very similar port to gzdoom

It uses some parts from it

[finite crag]

Oh, it’s a different motor?

[hexed escarp]

So just download zandronum and use it the same way you would gzdoom

[finite crag]

I see

[hexed escarp]

It's a different source port

[finite crag]

With the same directory app folder thing?

[hexed escarp]

Wdym?

No have zandronum in it's own folder

[finite crag]

Yeah that’s what I meant

I need to place wad files in a gzdoom folder in order to run it

[hexed escarp]

I don't really know much about how ports work on Mac tho

I'm more of a windows guy

[finite crag]

That shit’s nasa to me gonna be honest

Windows i mean

But I get the idea
Thank you

[hexed escarp]

Yeah make a different folder for zandronum and put the wads in there

Np

Idk how to connect to servers with it tho

Never used it much before

[pearl osprey]

If you want to connect to an existing server use the included doomseeker tool

[finite crag]

How intuitive is it

[pearl osprey]

If you want to create your own server with custom mods visit the sentinel's playground website

[pearl osprey]

It's like any classic multiplayer game browser

[hexed escarp]

If I'm using smooth doom, can I connect to a server not using smooth doom?

[pearl osprey]

If you played any multiplayer game released before 2010~ you should be able to easily use it

[finite crag]

Oh no

[hexed escarp]

what is the bfg shoot sound called in DeHackEd

[vocal summit]

that's how it is in project brutality

[azure nimbus]

a ton of pwads do that

[dapper flint]

https://youtu.be/FhedPrpjqiY

[hexed escarp]

how come zandronum doesnt let me set the resolution higher than 1280x768

[pearl osprey]

maybe you need to change the aspect ratio

if not use the command line parameters

[hexed escarp]

i have aspect ratio set to all

ok, is it capable of running 3440x1440?

[pearl osprey]

it should run any resolution ever

[hexed escarp]

ok

what are the commandline args

[pearl osprey]

-height <num>

[hexed escarp]

ok

[pearl osprey]

-width <num>

[hexed escarp]

cool thank you

OH GOD IT DOES NOT LIKE ULTRAWIDE

everything is stretched

even the game itself

[pearl osprey]

oh

Maybe are scaling options other than stretch in display options? or video options

[hexed escarp]

maybe

eh it did fine with regular 1440x2560, thats good enough for me

if i want to use delashin's smooth doom remake, can i use that on a multiplayer server or does the server need to have that installed?

[vocal summit]

smooth doom doesn't work on zandronum

it uses zscript

[hexed escarp]

oh ok

does it work with zdaemon or odamex?

[vocal summit]

even worse, those are zdoom

zdoom doesn't even support decorate

[hexed escarp]

ok

[azure nimbus]

any spots in god machine where you can get telefragged?

[finite crag]

https://www.moddb.com/mods/duke-nukem-3d-weapons-monsters/downloads/duke-nukem-3d-v10b-monsters-only2
Last Update, Maybe Final

[dapper flint]

https://youtu.be/yfnmdNeK5FM

[finite crag]

I have reached the funny habitat level in tnt legitimately

time to speed run this shit lmao (edit: got 30 seconds)

[vast reef]

what does zdoom support then

just dehacked?

[zenith berry]

Maybe only the Action Code Script, and that is limited only to maps (see Assault on Tei Tenga, circa 1999)

It is notable for being the first ZDoom maps ever made utilising ACS.

[finite crag]

zdoom does support decorate, unless doomwiki is wrong, hell it even says that decorate originated in zdoom

[vast reef]

i see, thank you

[echo tartan]

Had a lot of fun playing black tower

Probably my favorite master level

[hexed escarp]

How come udb doesn't have a mbf game configuration

It has mbf21 but no regular mbf

[vocal summit]

isnt that udmf

[pearl osprey]

UDMF and MBF are completely different things

MBF is a boom-like map format made for the MBF source port

[hexed escarp]

No, mbf is a source port that came out in the late 90s, udmf is a map format that came out much later

[dim stream]

Glad I can play brutal doom on mobile

[azure nimbus]

who would've thought that a map with the title that sunlust's 29th level has would be hard hm

[dim stream]

Should I download classic doom again?

Just asking

[azure nimbus]

ye

[dim stream]

Oki

Project brutality or burutal doom?

Which is good in ur opinion?

[azure nimbus]

neither. I'm a big fan of closer to vanilla engine stuff but fan made levels. like sunlust or skillsaw stuff plays a similar engine but has fancy textures and levels

heartland might be enjoyable if you want a larger conversion, or even pirate doom or struggle: antaresian legacy

but they ask play on vanillaish engines

[dim stream]

Oooooh okie

Whats your most recommended map for me?

[azure nimbus]

As a single map? that's a lot. heartland or struggle antaresian legacy are imo good choices for people used to bigger conversions. but if you wanted a single level? maybe tangerine nightmare's goetia?

[dim stream]

Ohh okiiee thnx i'll keep that in mind

But i have to buy a new keyboard and mouse tho and a adapter for those to my phone so I can control doom guy cuz its rlly hard in the touch screen controls

[dapper flint]

Still need to give antaresian a go

[finite crag]

So Zandronum crashes on launch on my compute, is there any other multiplayer port I can use?

[pearl osprey]

Zdaemon and Odamex

Although Odamex has 0 players most of the time

Zdaemon is less advanced than Zandronum but is honestly usable

[dapper flint]

I'll give eternity credit. The controller movement is the best out of all the ports

[candid saffron]

Is Ultimate doom on steam = Unity Port?

[slim willow]

yeah. it also comes with the original 1.9 wad though for sourceport use

[hexed escarp]

in mbf21 or lower, is it possible to have one off sound effects that get triggered at a specific moment as opposed to when an enemy does something? for dialogue?

[azure nimbus]

maybe you can make a monster that doesn't affect kill count or take damage and give it a special wake up sound?

[hexed escarp]

hmm possibly

you wouldnt be able to do it very many times tho

wait, how do door sound effects work

[analog coral]

you open door then sfx play

[hexed escarp]

but can you add different door sounds for different sectors

in mbf or lower

[hexed escarp]

wait hold on, with dehacked, can you make a prop into an enemy?

[proud pilot]

eternal doom is feeling like you could pitch it to someone by saying "hey, you like monster closets and fake walls? well, have i got the wad for you"

[vast reef]

lmfao

[tacit remnant]

Hypothetically, if I wanted to emulate the sound of loud footsteps echoing from an air duct as a player/enemy moved through it, what would be the best way to replicate that effect? The solution I came up with was putting linedefs in the ducts that open/close a door when walked over and just have the door be out of the way somewhere

[hexed escarp]

are there any horribly negative side effects that come from replacing an obstacle with an enemy in dehacked?

specifically for mbf?

[halcyon willow]

Terrain definitions. Can be applied to specific textures. Most common example of this is terrain splashes (which also play a sound)

[tacit remnant]

Is this something I can do in Crispy Doom?

[vast reef]

doubt it

hmmmm

according to the zdoom wiki, it works in heretic and hexen

yeah i think it should work in crispy doom

[light drift]

[plain orbit]

I just finished Plutonia Experiment, someone know where I can dw the Plutonia 2 and 3?

[azure nimbus]

just be aware that plut2 is a community project not affiliated with plut1 and plut3 is just some wad made by a kid of moderate quality. Theser aren't contiguous sequels or anything. if you look up plutonia 2 download and select the wad archive option, you'll find it(I think links are illegal here)

[urban fable]

hi

does anyone here know of a Quake 1 equivalent to Brutal DOOM?

[vast reef]

quake 1.5

the combat+ addon for quake 1.5 is amazing

[urban fable]

neat I'll check that out thanks

[vast reef]

although quake 1.5 has new levels i believe

[urban fable]

alright

[vast reef]

👍

[vocal summit]

it'll work in crispy heretic but not crispy doom

[vast reef]

crispy doom works with heretic

or is that a joke

[vocal summit]

crispy doom and crispy heretic are different source ports

https://github.com/fabiangreffrath/crispy-doom/releases/tag/crispy-doom-5.11.1

[vast reef]

huh

[gusty falcon]

Only that great combat mod only works well with base game quake and its addons 😔

[torn pivot]

PSX Doom TC: Lost Levels - Map 32: Main Processing (100%) Ultra Violence
https://youtu.be/JRA51Tya8F0

[dapper flint]

Play plutonia 3... its the greatest wad ever made

[stable tundra]

terry traps suck

and bloom is better

[dapper flint]

[plain orbit]

All no-official DooM IWADs are compatble with ZDoom? ||32 bits pc ||

[azure nimbus]

the nonofficial iwads? do you mean freedoom? those are the only unofficial iwads. other unofficial stuff is pwads. which many will work on zdoom, even though not everything will run demo compat(which most people don't care about)

basically no matter your machine, you should be able to run doom. 32 is fine

[pearl osprey]

GZDoom no longer supports 32bit so if they want to play the latest GZDoom mods they can't

[azure nimbus]

oh yeah... weird gz stuff does exist

[proud pilot]

watched coincident's playthrough of eternal doom map05 and the fact that he included such a good epilepsy warning before the strobe part 🥺❤️ it's really nice to see that he cares about viewer safety

[azure nimbus]

doom64 map04has the worst strobing of any map I've played. lil embarrassed that it took me a few days to remember to throw in a warning though

[hexed escarp]

Does boom or mbf remove infinitely tall monsters?

[dapper flint]

No? Pretty sure

[hexed escarp]

Ok

[azure nimbus]

really wonder if there would've been a more elegant solution to "monster on top of monster physics being too complicated" rather than disallowing it altogether like this

[azure nimbus]

using sector magic, you can create new secret sectors on the fly that are not accounted for by the level "Total secrets" tally. But perhaps, a mapmaker designs such that n secrets are unreachable and n secrets are generated by that weird sector magic. Could be useful so that the existence of the thing being a secret pairs with when an item teleports onto that area. Items can teleport, at least in boom. idk if it can be done in vanilla. don't think so.

[vocal summit]

there's blasphemer (freedoom but heretic), but i think they're taking about IPK3s like selaco and elder jam

[hexed escarp]

is it possible to make the player start with no pistol and only fist?

[pearl osprey]

With dehacked yes

You can change starting ammo for all weapons

[hexed escarp]

how?

oh so you will have pistol but no ammo?

[pearl osprey]

Yea

[hexed escarp]

ok cool

but will that mean you get nothing from picking up that weapon?

[azure nimbus]

no pistol pickup sprite

[hexed escarp]

?

[azure nimbus]

I don't think that vanilla or boom have a means where you can "pickup" a pistol. Hellground and rowdyrudy1 both have empty pistols on pistol start though

[finite crag]

no
unless you set the bullet capacity to zero

[hexed escarp]

oh ok

[hexed escarp]

oh right breh

im trying to add custom textures and im running into an issue

so i was able to import some textures that worked well, but i am running into an issue when i tried to make a really tall texture

i want my map to be mbf compatible, as in compatible with the original dos mbf

the texture is 128x512

and it looks fine in prboom-plus

but when i opened it in winmbf to test compatibility

it has this strange gap in it

i put a screenshot in #classic-doom-maps-mods

[tacit remnant]

I’ve made a rule for myself that when I reach the Icon of Sin in map 30 of a WAD, I just treat the WAD as finished because the Icon rocket thing never works right and I hate that boss deeply

[restive raft]

What is Crispy DOOM?

[tacit remnant]

It’s a source port designed to be true to the original release but with minor quality of life improvements

[vast reef]

crosshair

higher resolution

colored health and stuff

[azure nimbus]

based. alien dendetta's ios is terrible

[hexed escarp]

Any idea what is happening with this?

[azure nimbus]

I'm really hoping for more maps that use heartland's weapons. the flamethrower and cluster bomb launcher were cool but at least for the CBL, very sparsely used. A1s high fire rate launchers are interesting too

[dapper flint]

Lots of great ways to use it

[digital iris]

What if classic-foom had glory kills...

[floral fractal]

[vivid vine]

It already had gory kills

[azure nimbus]

up to God Machine. it spooky

[dapper flint]

Make sure you record it.

[royal heron]

God Machine is daunting

Make sure to watch out for ||the pain elemental wave||

[hasty sinew]

[opal nova]

Does anyone know how to play doom 1/2 with a mouse for aiming? And if so what software will be needed? (linux or mac application suggestions please)

[tacit remnant]

Are you playing the Steam port? If so you should be able to use mouse by default

[opal nova]

I’m not using the steam port unfortunately. I would use it if it was compatible with my system. I used to use an emu, I can’t remember the name though.

[tacit remnant]

What port/version are you using?

[opal nova]

I downloaded it off of vims lair or something

[tacit remnant]

The original file requires DOS or a source port that emulates DOS, like Crispy Doom or ZDoom

[opal nova]

Funny words ms magician

[tacit remnant]

What are you using to run the file? If you have a modern computer the original file isn’t directly compatible

[opal nova]

I think I used dolphin emu or something idk

[tacit remnant]

Yeah that probably won’t work right. I recommend downloading one of the source ports (basically emulators) and running the ROM through it. Crispy Doom is best for a vanilla faithful experience, ZDoom for a bunch of modern features that aren’t in the original game added

[opal nova]

Ok thank you

[azure nimbus]

I've been recording and posting everything so far from that set

[vast reef]

PrBoom+ (boom-based port that's faithful to vanilla) for an even higher resolution and an openGL rendering option that lets you adjust FOV

or dsda-doom, a fork of PrBoom that has more features, mostly aimed at speedrunning

[vast reef]

oh and mouselook that doesn't warp

[sly oasis]

Goddamn, what is up with the last few Doom II Master Levels (per the Bethesda Doom II release map order); from Mephisto's Mausoleum it just turns into a real horror show.