classic-doom

[sweet kindle]

Thanks :)
But as I see, there are some bigger issues, so I assume, it requires having full control over AMD graphics card during such development -- like there are differences between AMD/NV drivers, so some techniques need to be reworked in a way, because there were developed with NV GPU in mind

[hexed escarp]

what is the WAD that this comes with?

prboom plus.wad

[limpid zinc]

It comes with all versions of prboom-plus and contains assets that the sourceport uses that aren't in the doom iwad

[hexed escarp]

ah

does this rt doom use software or hardware rendering for the rendering (ik it uses hardware rt for the lighting and stuff)

[pearl osprey]

Def Hardware

Software rendering with raytracing would run at less than 1fps

[hexed escarp]

lmao yeah

the default resolution was 720p

and i tried cranking it to 1440

and my poor laptop 2060 shat itself

lets see if i can get better performance with dlss

[pearl osprey]

Damn even doom lags with rt

[hexed escarp]

yeah

but my gpu isnt exactly qualified to run rt with very good performance

im sure on a desktop rtx card of any kind, it would be fine

dlss on performance mode made it a bit better, but not enough for it to be playable any higher than 900p lol

ive never used prboom plus before, is there any way i can disable the inverted sprinting? im not used to it

[finite crag]

Heeey I have an RTX card. I will check this out.

[hexed escarp]

its very cool

It is a little comical with the contrast between the pixelated textures and beautiful lighting but its still really nice looking

[finite crag]

This is really fucking cool.

Obviously I wouldn't use it for normal play, but it's an awesome idea and it makes the Hell levels very atmospheric.

Doom 64 would look BEAUTIFUL with this.

[hexed escarp]

what card do you have?

[finite crag]

GeForce RTX 2070!

I have no idea if that's, like, super high end, but I'm playing on my gaming laptop which I love very much and has consistently run every game I've thrown at it perfectly.

[hexed escarp]

its the midrange from last gen

ah laptop version

how does it run this rtx doom

[finite crag]

Very well. Well, by my standards. DLSS on Quality it seems to be running at the same FPS OG Doom does, 35. On Performance, definitely 60 or above.

[hexed escarp]

nice

what resolution

[finite crag]

1920 x 1080.

[hexed escarp]

ah

with me it is completely unplayable any higher than 900p'

but thats bc i have a laptop 2060 and not 2070

[hexed escarp]

What if you did software rendering, but then did hardware raytracing

[pearl osprey]

Pretty sure that's impossible to achieve

Unless there is some 300IQ move we don't know about yet

However you can do Hardware rendering that looks like software rendering

It is already possible in GZDoom

[sweet kindle]

Check 320x200 render scale mode

[dapper flint]

Playing lullaby with no lag hahah

[subtle oxide]

i fucked up bad

i was playing ashes 2063

and accidentally made the boot camp attack button mouse1

i changed it back to the f key, but now i can't shoot any of my guns

or do anything that requires left clicking

how do i fix this

nvm i'm totally a genius i fixed it

[rigid karma]

2070 is pretty good

not super high end but its sorta high end

[azure nimbus]

why do deathmatch levels have exits?

[hexed escarp]

if i turn off the raytracing in the rt port, will it act just like regular prboom plus?

[obtuse mist]

how do you open the console?

the ` key wont work

[hexed escarp]

is it strange that after playing the first 8 levels of doom 2 im not enjoying it as much as i enjoyed doom 1?

[tacit remnant]

Doom 1 has tighter design than 2. I’d describe Doom 2 level design as starting strong (though not quite reaching Doom 1’s high points), then becoming terrible for a bit, then getting its act together for an excellent last 8-10 levels

[lunar plinth]

Hello

[vast reef]

check settings

[hexed escarp]

maybe im just salty that i got perfect rng during the baron fight in tricks and traps, and did the rest of the level perfectly without losing much health or ammo, and then died to the total bullshit trap at the very end, and then was not able to get the same rng with the barons

[vast reef]

comedy

[obtuse mist]

gotta use saves up the ass

[hexed escarp]

yeah, i try to only save at the beginning of each level

but maybe il make an exception for this one lol

[obtuse mist]

i accidentally quicksaved in a level right when i died and when i try to reload it keeps me dead. my last hard save was a few levels back with no weapons. im on episode 4

hence why i need to open the console to resurrect myself but theres no console button

[hexed escarp]

oof

i need to actually play thy flesh

ive only ever gotten part way through the first level

also imo doom 2's aesthetic is kinda all over the place

and the music is really weird

doesnt have the same punch or suspense that the doom 1 soundtrack had

[formal monolith]

I think overall Doom 2 across the whole game has memorable music, but Doom 1 has higher peaks with its best tracks.

[hexed escarp]

so far for me, the music has just felt way too calm

[obtuse mist]

what is the green stuff around the zombie guys mouth

[vast reef]

kinda true tbh

[vast reef]

rotting flesh 👍

[hexed escarp]

btw is prboom+ vanilla compatible by default

[vast reef]

think so

[hexed escarp]

ok

[obtuse mist]

do you get image perms the more you talk? or does this channel just not have any images

[vast reef]

you can embed

[obtuse mist]

time to figure that out

that didnt work

[hexed escarp]

lol

[obtuse mist]

google search how do to embed

[hexed escarp]

is it normal to have like 8 different source ports installed at the same time?

i kinda wanna try to play back a demo with rtx on to see it it maintains compatibility

what would be a cool demo to try, for doom 1 probably

[formal monolith]

Actual strongest enemy of Doom classic

[hexed escarp]

i fucking hate those guys

they are annoying as hell

like little mini spider masterminds

[vast reef]

yes

anyway
fast-paced wads?

not necessarily mods

i'm searching for maps specifically but mods would be fun too

[hexed escarp]

whats a cool doom 1 demo that i could use to test playing back with raytracing on

[vast reef]

check dsda

[hexed escarp]

2:52:24

does that mean 2 hours, or 2 minutes

[vast reef]

probably 2 hours

[hexed escarp]

its a full game doom1

[lost thunder]

it's 2 hours

episode and d2all runs aren't tracked to the milisecond

[hexed escarp]

ok

the rtx version does appear to maintain demo compatibility

[zenith berry]

lf I want to try out the PrBoom Raytracing Mod do I need to actually own an RTX-capable GPU?

[vast reef]

yes

[slim willow]

Yes

[zenith berry]

Welp, so that’s really a raytracing…looking at you DR4.

[honest coyote]

The Spacecats Saga: Chapter 1

[vast reef]

yes

[honest coyote]

Try this

[vast reef]

i saw it yesterday in mr. icarus's video
i'll play it when i can download it

[past field]

unfortunately, I dont have any RTX (let alone NVIDIA) GPU, so I cant play it

and even if the creator adds AMD GPU support, I dont think my GPU even supports ray tracing

[formal monolith]

Something fun to try out is Doom 4 Vanilla

[vast reef]

i've played that too
very fun but i prefer eoa or d4t

[warm harness]

Anyone know any mapsets that are pretty casual in difficulty and doesn't use hitscanners extensively?

[azure nimbus]

rowdy rudy's revenge

[finite crag]

How i can acces to this part in E1M2 ? (Check #screenshots)

[pearl osprey]

Try shooting the wall

[vast reef]

if it doesn't work you you're not shooting it enough

[lunar plinth]

Facts

[tacit remnant]

Rowdy Rudy is good

[wraith sluice]

tnt makes me want to claw my eyes out

im on map 21

i hate this

[finite crag]

TNT sucks!

[lost thunder]

if you're not having fun then just quit

no reason to play things you don't enjoy when there are more pwads than you will ever have time to play

[royal heron]

wait until you get to map 22, but at least you can complete it in under 20 seconds

or yknow, you can just quit and play smthing else

[wraith sluice]

Am playing through every doom game TNT included

[lost thunder]

forcing urself through something for the sake of completionism is silly

[azure nimbus]

TNT bad

[finite crag]

TNT is very skippable.

If I'm playing through the whole Doom series, my marathon will be Doom, SIGIL, Doom II, Plutonia, 64, Lost Levels, Doom 3, ROE, 2016, Eternal, and then TAG.

[finite crag]

Made my life hell

No pun intended

[azure nimbus]

I feel like the PE was the only "high ranking" demon that got a good showing in vanilla doom2. Archviles, cybers and spiderdemons were otherwise underutilized. But PEs steal the show in map 23 and make map09 extremely tense, even if you take advantage of the 21 limit.

[finite crag]

I feel like even Revenants don't get utilized to their potential in Doom 2 either.

[azure nimbus]

revs at least have a sniper role in 22 and defend the hub of the end of 29. Arguably, they are dangerous at close range in map06 but that's more for new players. Yeah revs and mancs and hell knights and arachnotrons(all the doom2 monsters) are rather underutilized. The only scary arachno that I remember is the first one by the yellow key in 17. But that one is completely cheese from not being able to look up or down. I get around that by shooting him from the stairway to the side.

[tacit remnant]

Is the Unity port bug that makes escape sometimes go straight to the quit menu instead of bringing up the main menu a known issue? If so is it likely to be patched and how do I circumvent it?

[dapper flint]

There's a few good maps with revs in plutonia

[finite crag]

Plutonia uses them well, it's just Doom 2 I think.

[dapper flint]

Although when I was a kid I remember seeing 3 revs together being scary lol

[tacit remnant]

I’ve been getting wrecked by Caughtyard, in part because that is a lot of revenants

[tacit remnant]

How do I mod to change the portrait art? I have a WAD idea that would work better with a custom portrait set

[gentle compass]

Do you mean the doomguy mugshot in the status bar? Look for the graphic lumps that start with "STF" to see what you need to replace

[azure nimbus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huYF2KiilV4 this might be helpful. I've never made a map but doomkid has

[sly bay]

yo uh guys
ik i havent been on the server for a while
but i want to set up a dooom mod
called girls frontline enemy territory and mash it together with a zombie survival doom

[vast reef]

???

[tranquil kindle]

Is there any way to tell the devs of the Unity port about bugs?

[dapper flint]

I wouldn't expect a fix for a long time anyways

[tacit remnant]

Thanks

[steel lion]

man the icon of sin on bd its hard

now my brain its pretty much dead

[obtuse mist]

chain gunner is in doom 1 right?

[tranquil kindle]

No, first appeared in Doom 2.

[obtuse mist]

ah, ok

[pale shoal]

Doom is better the original way

[dapper flint]

That's subjective

[azure nimbus]

second post ever complaining that changing textures bad

[dapper flint]

Not fact

[azure nimbus]

The idea of someone opening up Stardate20x6 and instead of marveling at the naturalistic structures and purple hues they annoyingly mutter something about how the e2m3 valve texture is better.

[pearl osprey]

I like the look of classic doom but honestly the original doom textures suck

have you seen otex

[pale shoal]

You can’t change my mind

[dapper flint]

What do you mean textures

Because textures filtering looks like dog shit

And that's not subjective

[pearl osprey]

the actual textures not texture filtering

maybe in 1993 they were good but compared to a modern texture pack they don't hold up well

that being said I still like the classic doom look

[dapper flint]

It's not really hold up. It's kinda like saying Pablo Picasso is outdated. The reason classic doom held up for so long is this artistic style and aesthetic. I'm sure for alot of new classic players though your point makes sense some how

"Ludwig van Beethoven is outdated but have you heard Lil cough drop"

[limber mirage]

The textures hardly suck

The only thing I would argue is if you try running the original game, the resolution might be a bit low. That’s about it

But for the artstyle and the aesthetic the game goes for, the textures are perfect

[slim willow]

ayo man dont diss lil cough drop he and lil ibuprofen have made some great shit

[tacit remnant]

I think Doom 1 has pretty good textures though I do wish they were a touch more varied (in particular doing something like episode 3 having part of hell be frozen or something to differentiate from other areas), but what’s there is pretty good. As for Doom 2, it’s kind of a mixed bag. Doom 2 has a lot of levels that are extremely brown, which makes many of those levels look bad. It has plenty of visually striking bits too though

[halcyon willow]

There are no bad textures, only badly used textures

Apart from startan

In the bin with that one

[limber mirage]

We can just throw all of doom 2 away

[halcyon willow]

Bob digging deeper

[tacit remnant]

Doom 2 has really good levels too though

[halcyon willow]

You'll need a 20t excavator at this rate

There are 2 people in the world

People who say doom 2 is better than doom 1

And people who are wrong

[tacit remnant]

I actually like Doom 1 more but 2 is still good except for the middle section

[halcyon willow]

In all seriousness, there's a general consensus the doom 2 is a better experience

[limber mirage]

I prefer the enemies and ssg of course

But overall maps looking ugly or huge and wonky is bad

[halcyon willow]

Doom 1 episode 2 and 3 look way worse

Episode 1 is good

And 4

[lost thunder]

doom 2 is a better base, but the only commercial doom maps i actually enjoy at this point are selections from E1, E4, and plutonia

[tacit remnant]

Doom 2’s new assets are great but they’re not used all that well.

[halcyon willow]

Agree

[limber mirage]

Doesn’t help the ugly of 2 is also multiplied by the bigger maps

[halcyon willow]

As far as stuff that's actually still good to play

[limber mirage]

Overall no rest for the living > doom 2 in every shape and form

[tacit remnant]

Doom 1 Episode 2 is my favorite section of official Doom.

[lost thunder]

I had a huge turnaround on Thy Flesh Consumed at some point and I would probably call it my favorite aesthetic in official doom at the moment

[halcyon willow]

E4M1 and E4M2 are pinnacle doom 1

Evil fucking maps

Love em

[lost thunder]

big agree, I remember the first time I played E4M1 was a lot more intimidating than anything i'd played until then (e1-3, doom 2)

[limber mirage]

Mmmmm nothing beats chasm tho. Peak doom

[lost thunder]

ahhhh i forgot about the chasm

[halcyon willow]

Epsidoe 4's difficulty curve is a bit over the place

That's my only criticism of e4

[lost thunder]

also agree about that

[tacit remnant]

My Doom 1 ranking is as follows:
E1 is pretty good, but relies a bit too much on hitscanners
E2 is excellent
E3 is mixed quality
E4 is a bit mean for my taste but otherwise pretty good

[halcyon willow]

E4M6 tho

Spicy map

[lost thunder]

E4 is the good kind of mean in my book

[halcyon willow]

My first released map was an E4M1 remake

For JOM 6

[tacit remnant]

I genuinely like Chasm as a one-off map. I wouldn’t want a bunch of Chasms, but it’s a cool idea executed reasonably well

[halcyon willow]

Chasm I can appreciate the ideas

[finite crag]

Way I see it:
-E1 is good. Love the level design.
-E2, also good. I like the hellish spacebase environment here.
-E3, excellent. Aside from the dogshit castle level with the teleporters, this is my favorite episode.
-E4, fantastic in the first half but forgettable in the second.

[tacit remnant]

I’m of the opinion that jank maps are better than boring ones. The midsection of Doom 2 tends to be boring. The later levels shift between good all around and cool but a bit jank

[finite crag]

I agree with this.

[tacit remnant]

Monologue I mostly agree with your assessment except I’d add Slough of Despair to the E3 bad levels

[finite crag]

I honestly don't get what so bad about Slough of Despair! I don't mind it.

[tacit remnant]

The general push of tight spaces full of hitscanners and angles for potshots isn’t great, but the egregious part is the many lost souls. Lost souls are a stupid enemy type and a mandatory monster closet of a dozen lost souls is a terrible way to cap off a level

[finite crag]

Oh right. God. I hate Lost Souls. I forgot about that part.

[limpid zinc]

In my opinion:
E1: good level design, no complaints but also nothing special
E2: Also love the level design and the environment is much cooler than E1
E3: Best episode out of Ultimate Doom, level design is amazing throughout and the environment makes the episode even better (Also my favorite map was Gate to Limbo, don't @ me)
E4: My least favorite episode mostly because the level design was so different from the rest of the game (in a worse way imo). My biggest problem with it is honestly the entirety of E4M1 between the lack of heals and excessive use of hitscanners

[dapper flint]

Map 29 is the best doom 2 map and the most challenging doom 2 map

Placement enemies

All perfect

And good Rev placement

[azure nimbus]

no tagged secrets, 0/10 unplayable

[dapper flint]

In nightmare

[azure nimbus]

but yeah, agree. probably most fun level of nightmare. Some were ridiculous memory tests, luck tests, or just how hard could I bully the engine with grabs to finally make it work. 29 was a test of skill

[dapper flint]

My first fail runs I never dropped for the plasma lol

[azure nimbus]

My strat was to teleport after the backpack to make the caco guarding the plasma path towards me and away from the gate. wasn't able to get down there safely otherwise.

[obtuse mist]

how many berserk punches would it take to kill a baron of hell

[vast reef]

depends on how lucky you get

[obtuse mist]

https://tenor.com/view/umm-confused-blinking-okay-white-guy-blinking-gif-7513882

i really dont want to waste this because theres a whole ass section of enemys left

whatever

[vast reef]

just keep punching

[hexed escarp]

what is the difference between dsda doom and prboom+

[vast reef]

dsda doom has more features

it's meant for speedrunners

[hexed escarp]

yeah i figured that much

[vast reef]

but in my experience it's still worth using dsda over prboom+

it was easier to set up and i didn't accidentally toggle some weird-ass options

but idk

[hexed escarp]

im watching icon of sin done pacifist with rtx on and its very funny

[obtuse mist]

in e4m8 how do you get the items on the pillars

i can only run to the first 2

is there a button to lower them?

[hexed escarp]

ive never played that but iirc from watching a video, if you just walk up to it and click use, it will lower

[obtuse mist]

oh ok

yeah that worked, thanks

[hexed escarp]

np

[royal heron]

berserk lasts for the whole level bruh

[obtuse mist]

i know but when you shoot it gets turned off

[royal heron]

don't follow the red screen, it's a dumb indicator

[royal heron]

no it doesn't

[obtuse mist]

i know the red is just there

[royal heron]

it's always there permanently

[obtuse mist]

ive punched z men in 1 shot, shot a gun, then couldnt 1 shot z men

[royal heron]

can switch whenever, berserked fist still stays the same

[obtuse mist]

also how do you open console in ultimate doom

i autosaved right when i died

[royal heron]

well then that's weird asf because that simply isn't possible

berserked fist does minimum 20 health, zombiemen have minimum 20 health

[obtuse mist]

i dunno, probably misremembering something

[royal heron]

unless you punched a shotgunner, and not a zombieman

shotgunners have 30 health

[obtuse mist]

prolly something like that

[royal heron]

also what port, because it depends

[obtuse mist]

ultimate doom

[royal heron]

on GZDoom you open console using ~

[obtuse mist]

im gonna open it on ultimate doom then

i mean gz

[royal heron]

just press the button, don't try Shift + `

[obtuse mist]

kk

how do i make gzdoom open a specific wad

[royal heron]

if you have multiple, a selection screen will open up

or if you're talkng about PWADs, then just drag them over the .exe

[obtuse mist]

its giving me ultimate doom, but that ultimate doom doesnt have any saves

[azure nimbus]

average berserk bunch damage is 110. baron health is 1000. But your berserk can be as bad as 20 and as good as 200 so it's pretty random. I'd say something like 10

[royal heron]

sometimes GZDoom doesn't keep track of autosaves

[vast reef]

ultimate doom is a port?

[azure nimbus]

I think it counts as an IWAD

[obtuse mist]

i punched it like 13 times before i gave up

[royal heron]

I've had tons of autosaves before just to haave them one day suddenly disappear in GZDoom

[vast reef]

yeah ultimate doom is an iwad

[obtuse mist]

theres no saves in general

[azure nimbus]

Arguably an "engine" if you think of CL3 but that's not really the same thing

[royal heron]

autosaves and saves are the same

[obtuse mist]

when i go into ultimate dooms files, and it only has a wad

[obtuse mist]

ah, well still

ok let me explain this better

i play ultimate doom through steam because i dont like messing w gzdoom

[vast reef]

just say the unity port

[obtuse mist]

ultimate doom is the unity port?

[royal heron]

yes

[obtuse mist]

oh

well let me try something then

[royal heron]

so wait I am so confused now

[azure nimbus]

unity is the port that steam defaults to if you just buy it and play from there

[royal heron]

unity doesn't have a console iirc

[obtuse mist]

any way to revive yourself?

[royal heron]

unless you're talking about consoles like XBox and PlayStation

[royal heron]

i think IDDQD does it?

[obtuse mist]

iddqd

[azure nimbus]

only works on some ports, but IDDQD after you die might revive you.

[obtuse mist]

let me see

[royal heron]

yeah IDDQD at least works on DSDA-Doom

[azure nimbus]

That was added in the newest version of WOOF btw

[royal heron]

also funnily enough, cheats are possible on Nightmare! in DSDA-Doom

[azure nimbus]

Does unity prevent entering cheats? Every port that I have let's you cheat in nightmare which...come on, that's the way it should be

[royal heron]

assigning cheats to keybinds overrides the natural hardcoded skip for cheats in Nightmare, allowing you to use IDDQD and IDFA/IDKFA

[obtuse mist]

that gave me god mode and im still dead

could i go in the wad and edit my stats with slade?

[vast reef]

no

a wad is just

[royal heron]

uh no, do not do that

[vast reef]

images + maps + music

[obtuse mist]

alrighty

[royal heron]

WADs are just a collection of game info, and that's it

[vast reef]

the wad is not the engine

it's just the resources

[obtuse mist]

i dunno, just export sprites from it sometimes and i see saves or something

[azure nimbus]

Do consider downloading a stronger port when you get a chance. Unity is unstable, low res, not limit removing, and annoyingly difficult to get custom content working on -- not to mention the annoying bethesda logo screen at the start

[obtuse mist]

idrc about that

and if limit removing you mean stuff like infinitely tall monsters and the likes, i want that stuff

[vast reef]

just get dsda doom

or woof or crispy doom

[obtuse mist]

i do have crispy

[azure nimbus]

limit removing as in unity can't handle maps with too many objects on screen at a time or large maps. A "limit removing vanilla port" will play identically to fully vanilla gameplay except that it won't crash just because there are 200 monsters on screen at once

[obtuse mist]

ah

[azure nimbus]

A lot of modern mapsets play on BOOM or MBF which "feel" vanilla but have some features and engine quirks that differentiate it from vanilla. It isn't like Zdoom where you lose infinite height stuff. Unity can't play boom or mbf

[royal heron]

Boom-derived sourceports are basically what most people use nowadays since they're a nice balance in between advanced features and vanilla

[tacit remnant]

I typically use PRboom

[obtuse mist]

where does doom store save data

[royal heron]

As...

Actually lemme check

[obtuse mist]

i refuse to go back until i know i cant do anything to rev myself

[royal heron]

they're saved as .dsg files (doom save game)

not sure if you're able to modify these in any way

probably not

[lost thunder]

dsda-doom saves save files and splits into the dsda_doom_data subfolder

[obtuse mist]

time to open notepad++

whatever, cant find any files that end with dsg

[lost thunder]

are you trying to copy a save game between ports or something

[vast reef]

he's trying to change his save file

[lost thunder]

you're better off just idcleving and starting from scratch

[obtuse mist]

idclev?

well clev?

[lost thunder]

cheat code to skip to x level

[obtuse mist]

i have a save at the level before it almost done

im just lazy

its also episode 4 so that doesnt help

[lost thunder]

not quite sure how it wouldn't help just because it's episode 4

[vast reef]

type revive into console
oh wait you're on unity

[obtuse mist]

yeah

[royal heron]

just start again, not too hard if you look at a guide tbh

[lost thunder]

i still don't get how idclev wouldn't help

it's not like idclev only works on doom 2 or something

[obtuse mist]

ok, the thing is i dont care about the level because i have a save right before e4m8 thats almost done

so the level isnt a problem

im just lazy and saved right as i died like an idiot

[finite crag]

When hell knights actually charge

and cacos are more like doom 2016's?

[vast reef]

oh yeah that too

[finite crag]

i want to know who made this mod i'm gonna get HOD:Baron next

[vast reef]

but imho brutal doom really isn't that much harder than regular doom

[finite crag]

the pit in doom 2 is such a drag

All those shotgunners around that first corner

[vast reef]

yes

[finite crag]

Hitscanners are way scarier

Zombiemen actually shoot consecutive rounds

Sergeants can have SMGs as well

(Shotgunners)

[vast reef]

yeah
you just take more cover in bd

[finite crag]

Nothing can top map14 tho

is it 14 or 15? First city level

no that's 12

The one with the red key up top a building with 3 levels, bunch of imps on it?

I just think bd gives classic doom more of a feel of later doom games

it adds such a layer of immersion that it's almost it's own game

[jade wharf]

Im mentally ill

[vast reef]

if you play classic doom that's normal

[jade wharf]

I played all of em

Never finished any and i keep going back to finish them just to never finish em and the cycle repeat

[finite crag]

insert scout laughing in a padded room meme

[vast reef]

mentally ill indeed /j

i hate tone indicators but they prevent people from getting offended

[finite crag]

Doom 2 slap tho

Such a good game

Especially for 1994

[dawn siren]

idk why, but i feel a lot better playing the mobile ports instead of the steam DOS releases

(Yes i bought both Doom 1 and 2 on both platforms)

i find extremely annoying how all the controls converge into the mouse and sometimes you can use Spacebar and the arrow keys

even in not too rough i struggle to aim in DOS

[vast reef]

don't use dos

at least use the unity port, or a boom-based port like prboom+ or dsda-doom

[slim willow]

what if they like dos nevermind they dont seem to like it

with novert and proper controls its rather nice actually

[vast reef]

i play with the arrow keys a lot

i first played fps games like that and it's kinda fun

[slim willow]

I played through v1.666 of Doom 2 on dos once

very cool

[vast reef]

i beat episode 1 of doom with arrow keys

[slim willow]

[vast reef]

i beat episode 2 until map 2

i got called for dinner and forgot to continue

[slim willow]

lol

doom played through original executables just hits the spot sometimes, i cant even explain it

[vast reef]

yes

[dawn siren]

gotcha but there´s a unity port?

[vast reef]

if you buy doom on steam now it's what you get

[dawn siren]

i knew about Prboom+ and GZDoom but not the unity one

my copies of doom are through my Switch

[vast reef]

switch has the unity port i think?

[dapper flint]

Yes it does

[dawn siren]

it does too?

[slim willow]

steam comes with the same version thats on switch?

why are you playing with dos?

[untold solar]

Any suggestions for source ports? I have the WADs but what are some suggestions

I only need one suggestion. I've tried GZDoom and ZDoom but they are pretty janky for me at least

[slim willow]

DSDA-DOOM

[pearl osprey]

GZDoom - has the largest number of supported mods, very customizable, most advanced engine, not very vanilla compatible.
Dsda-doom - vanilla compatible but allows boom and MBF mods, good for speedrunning.
Crispy doom - vanilla doom with many enhancements.

[untold solar]

I did a speedrun on ZDoom, and it was no monsters E1M1 Doom 2

[pearl osprey]

These 3 are my favorite and have them all installed

[untold solar]

I'm looking for one to speedrun

[pearl osprey]

Definitely DSDA-Doom then

[untold solar]

Thanks

[pearl osprey]

It's the standard for speedrunning

[untold solar]

wanna see the run to see just how finicky Zdoom was for me?

[pearl osprey]

Sure

the thing with ZDoom is

[untold solar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMGO3W8rxcI I wasn't ever turning the mouse left after those rights at 0:06

[pearl osprey]

It's a good port but speedrunning on it really doesn't work

Because it doesn't have vanilla demo compatibility

[untold solar]

yea

people say Doom causes violence that's bullcrap

This is a pretty nice community

[pearl osprey]

Dumb politicians have been saying that since the 90s

[slim willow]

petition to make whiney congressmen play violent video games

[pearl osprey]

Signed

[untold solar]

Signed

Make 'em play Doom Eternal on I'm too young to die they'll shit their pants I promise

speaking of which

Check your shower

[fast mortar]

"would you please sign my petition"

[azure nimbus]

if it plays too slow, try it on nightmare

[past field]

killing demons =/= violence

doom is very wholesome game

[hexed escarp]

Is it just me or is the music in doom 2 way too chill

[finite crag]

nah bro in the dark, DOOM, the healer stalks, freakin Shawn's got the shotgun?

thas calm?

[past field]

its more chill than doom 1's music

[finite crag]

Depends on the map in that game too

Doom's music in general is a mixed bag

Doom 2's music is way too calm. Other than like three songs the soundtrack generally sucks.

You get some slower ones like "They're going to get you" or "Sinister"

It's a shame because for the most part Doom 1993's soundtrack is fucking awesome.

And with 2 the stakes are higher so you think the music would be even better... but no.

bro the intro to doom 2 is better tho

i like the synth being utilized more

fair argument tho ngl

Your first Hell level, wow, you just stepped foot in FUCKING HELL again and the song is... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bv3biyYpiC8
...bad elevator music.

dodo dodo dodo dodo

dodododododododo

that soundtrack slap tho i already hear it

I will especially never forgive the sin of only using Into Sandy's City once throughout the whole game.

yeah that one is true

Best song in the entire game and it plays in a relatively lame level. Dumb

in the dark is multi use tho

I've said this like 5 times but WHY DOESN'T IT PLAY IN DOWNTOWN
WHICH IS LITERALLY A CITY LEVEL PLAYED BY SANDY

You crush a spider demon in that map

because downtown is ass anyways

you can tell it's a romero map too and he just dogged it

Such a waste of talent

the big wall of lost souls that opens up lol

also just for you bud, idmus10

Yeah but Downtown would be much more bearable if it had Into Sandy's City playing.

type idmus10 on an unpaused game and you can have that

wait is the pit map 10 or 11

oh no that's map 9 right

so idmus9 solves that

really classic doom music is about atmosphere so it's up to you

That's why that "cheat" exists

idk if you'll get starflagged on your saves tho

[azure nimbus]

into sandy's city can't play in map12 cuz it's downTOWN smh

map13 is not that bad if you learn some of the platforming from the teleporter. It can act as a jump to the blue key building, the blue door building, or the bfg. It is one of the maps that plays better on nightmare for sure. map09 can be exciting on nm but it is a bit crazy in terms of the challenge. but without NM, it is super tedious in the cleanup. A lot of vanilla maps are tedious or "easy to get lost in". But nightmare forces you to actually learn these complicated layouts and tedium becomes tension or becomes skipped. But on the other hand, NM ruins some levels: e4m1, map04, map22 are horrid on nightmare. It's a mixed bag and kinda hard to say what is the best way to play vanilla maps. Like stardate, ok it plays the best uvmax. but I just don't think vanilla had such a unified design philosophy

[wicked iris]

Ello guys

[vernal ravine]

Imagine modding the files so specific soundtrack appears in specific Levels so remove song you dont like add in the song you like for the levels it makes sense in 😉

Tbh that sounds like alot of work but at the same time if you love the idea of change Do it man

[finite crag]

or just make a wad file that replaces every song with into sandys city lol

[vernal ravine]

Thank you that was definetly what i was tryin to go for LOL

[safe moon]

alot of maps could've been better if the music wasn't too repetitive

[visual lake]

how do i go to the john romero head in the icon of sin level in doom2?

[vast reef]

type idclip

[visual lake]

what if you play on a console?

[finite crag]

Buy a computer, purchase Doom II on it, then type in idclip.

Haha in all seriousness I don't think you can do idclip on consoles.

[vast reef]

lmao yeah

[royal heron]

cheats are in the menu on console i think?

[vast reef]

yeah or open the in-game console

if the latter option exists

[azure nimbus]

console version doesn't have it.

On stardate 20x6 map05, what is the invuln fight for? It's an easy fight since you get an invuln but I'm not sure what that encounter unlocks in the map for you. That and the 2-arch room with barons and knights. I'm not sure how these two rooms help with progression

[limpid zinc]

Yeah but it doesn't have idclip

[azure nimbus]

No smashing pumpkins into small piles of putrid debris :(

[candid folio]

i just witnessed an imp take down a chaingunner

[halcyon willow]

Stuck record much?

[finite crag]

The conversation came up again, so I offered my opinion again. Yeah!

[halcyon willow]

Might be time to find something new to complain about

Narrative is getting stale

You're losing viewership

Ratings are falling

[finite crag]

But there is so little to complain about with Doom that there isn't much else to!

With a franchise as fantastic as this, I have a very small selection of bad things about it to complain about.

[halcyon willow]

That we can agree on 😉

[dapper flint]

Couldn't find things I hated even if I tried

[slim willow]

all the games are great. even the more different ones like 3

[finite crag]

3's pretty damn good
especially RoE and The Lost Mission (I've never completed RoE tho, only Lost Mission)

[halcyon willow]

Doom 3 is fun

ROE is fantastic

Fixes pretty much all of the pacing issues of the base game

[finite crag]

it's a crime how they didn't put the super shotgun in the base game

though

[vocal summit]

they turned it into doom 3 https://twitter.com/Kotaku/status/1510298203819855878?t=MfFVr0FSCb_p9YSYypqp6g&s=19

Kotaku (@Kotaku)

Classic Doom with ray tracing looks amazing:
https://t.co/3rYhmJqzXD

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i dont get why people feel the need to slap ray tracing on everything that it possibly could work with

it looks like a shady knockoff mobile game

[slim willow]

i think it looks neat

sorta reminds me of the ps1 version

[azure nimbus]

I think whoever took that clip did idfa to get that bfg

[turbid ivy]

Am I the only one that when the ringing starts in the e1m1 theme, imagining a zombieman happily ringing a triangle?

[finite crag]

It's more a proof of concept.

[limpid zinc]

Personally I think it looks sick

It's nice that it somewhat keeps the feel of the original game

[finite crag]

has anyone played sigil?

[royal heron]

Lots of people

[tacit remnant]

It’s pretty good if a bit mean in parts.

[dapper flint]

Definitely does

[forest plume]

I've completed RoE it is

[molten iron]

Update to dsda-launcher (GUI launcher for dsda-doom)

Changelog: https://github.com/Pedro-Beirao/dsda-launcher/projects/1

Download (For both Windows and MacOS): https://github.com/Pedro-Beirao/dsda-launcher/releases/tag/v1.1

[royal heron]

Ooh

[pearl osprey]

I actually got it to work on linux

although I used that Qt tool instead of the terminal

iam too dumb

it runs but when I click Ctrl O nothing happens 😦

probably linux thing

[molten iron]

I am not able to test it on Linux for now. But I will try it in the future

[pearl osprey]

I'll see if I can learn some Qt and contribute

[pearl osprey]

I got it to work!!! I will send a pull request

[molten iron]

Nice, ty!

[torn pivot]

Ray Traced mod - The Ultimate Doom: Knee Deep in the Dead (Uv-Max, 100%) w/Commentary
https://youtu.be/HHr383m9Uko

[azure nimbus]

Playing Stardate 20x6. It is gorgeous and Ribbiks is a genius. This is 2013 content and relatively early in his career. It is also defining style and quality for challenge maps with unique and creative fights that isn't quite slaughter by killcount(while these tend to be lenthy levels and kills stretch into 1000 or more in the latter levels, these are not the MASSIVE setpieces of combat shock 2 but rather more intimate, tightly thread dances with 100 demons at a time.. Truly some of the most creative fights that I've played. Though the secrets are really hard so I have to follow along with decino's playthrough. I had tried crumpets before this and didn't really like it. Maybe I just wasn't ready for the difficulty yet? idk. I'll try it again eventually. Sunlust might have to be next. Highly recommend playing with an engine that has colored blood so that the purple energy on the knights tracks into purple blood for them. Forewarning, it is easily the most that I've had to practice and route to beat maps

[winged steeple]

who here uses crispy doom?

[past field]

Me

[winged steeple]

i want someone to give me a savefile for the pit level for crispy doom

[torn pivot]

I do

[winged steeple]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzfT513NVjk&t=30s

can anyone give it?

[tacit remnant]

I use Crispy sometimes but prefer PRBoom so I can play Boom WADs

[winged steeple]

so no one? okay

[tacit remnant]

To clarify what exactly are you asking for?

[winged steeple]

a savefile for me to start on this level

[tacit remnant]

Type “IDCLEV09” on your keyboard

[winged steeple]

is that like a cheat code or something?

[tacit remnant]

Yes. It’s the level select cheat. Used for pistol starts and such

You don’t have to pause or open the command line to use Doom cheats btw

[winged steeple]

idclev09

[tacit remnant]

Right

[winged steeple]

did not seem to work

[tacit remnant]

You didn’t pause to do it right?

It doesn’t work if you pause.

Also you need to be in a level (which level doesn’t matter) when you enter the code. If it still isn’t working then IDK what to tell you

[winged steeple]

k

it works

[tacit remnant]

Good to hear

[finite crag]

Hello

[tacit remnant]

Hello

[finite crag]

The maximum doom.

[torn pivot]

Indeed

[halcyon willow]

20x6 is probably my favorite ribbiks set. I find his later stuff just gets too esoteric for my tastes. 20x6 has super clean combat, and of course looks fantastic

[azure nimbus]

map05 broken secret. 0/10 unplayable

[azure nimbus]

I've heard confliting info on how to get to map31. the wiki says that there is a secret exit is in map07 but asking around, map31 is reached via warp (or I suppose playing through the unreplaced vanilla maps and taking the secret exit in industrial zone)

[halcyon willow]

No, you should be able to access it without warping

I'll just double check

Yeah according to the wiki you get there from map07

[buoyant moth]

I'm kinda new around these parts. Do you folks play mods and/or WADs or purely the vanilla game?

[dawn siren]

So how do i raise the bridge at E2M4 in Doom 1?

I can't reach the éxito because of the Blood damage tiles being too low

[buoyant moth]

I don't remember off the top of my head but let me load up the map and see if it jogs my memory

[finite crag]

I mainly play the OG games and vanilla map-packs, but sometimes I enjoy playing more advanced mods like Reelism!

[buoyant moth]

I usually play vanilla megawads or some with custom textures like Eviternity. usually with mouse look and maybe other stuff on for newer WADs. I found a new YouTube channel called Doom WADs that posts single maps and map packs weekly too so I'm always playing something new.

[finite crag]

Wow, that's a neat coincidence I'm playing Eviternity. It's pretty good so far.

[royal heron]

E2M4?

oh right I see

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/854794877594501143/961364141849841734/Screen_Shot_2022-04-06_at_4.36.51_PM.png

see that switch over there? press it

there's also a soulsphere secret behind you

[halcyon willow]

The majority of the community plays custom content. Speed runners will often play the originals over and over

[azure nimbus]

the wiki page doesn't explain how

[molten iron]

True, but also, IWADs are a meme for speedrunning

Doom speedrunning is 90% memeing 10% grinding

Anything other than Sunder UV-Max is a joke

[dawn siren]

IM LITERALLY BLIND

Also i accidentally went into E2's secret level with a ABSURD amount of (i think Barons of hell?) And Cacodemons and made It Alive with 100% kills somehow

Just to get clappes by the Cyberdemon at the last level of E2 and realized "oh i forgot to sabe in E2M4"

[halcyon willow]

Not if you're an iwad speed runner

Like kingdime

[azure nimbus]

doesn't really matter no? you restart the level anyway from the start as the maximum lost time

[halcyon willow]

Yeah there's plenty of ammo to kill the cyber from a pistol start

[dawn siren]

I Guess so yeah

But i managed to kill the Cyberdemon after all

It's the first time i finished Shores of hell- the other times i was either on other PC or didn't had the time to play

I tried inferno a bit and almost got murdered after picking the elevator because i didn't noticed the imp

[lost thunder]

just a minor correction, most speedrunning is done on pwads now

iwads are (mostly) grinded to death, plus pwads are just more fun

[slim willow]

[hidden crag]

PrBoom (Ray traced) is insane

[hexed escarp]

yeah, its very very cool

[halcyon willow]

Iwad runners play iwads. I'm not saying speed runners only play iwads ever for all eternity

[proud pilot]

working on my uv playthrough and did some of my best Running Across The Map While Avoiding Projectiles And Instigating Infighting work tonight
damn mancubi keep getting me though i've gotten very used to hearing the save and load sounds
someday... i will do all of doom ii on one breath

in some places it's not significantly harder for me than it was on hmp but in some places it's like fuck you! you're dead 😃

very glad i learned archvile and pain elemental strategy early, those two are a huge pain in the ass for me
pain elemental more so since if i have enough room to plasma the archie and duck behind corners i'm fine
but i can't leave a pain elemental to infight because then i'll come back to 2392409324 lost souls

least favorite monster ever what bozo let a floating skull do so much damage 😔

anyway i love this game, honestly blown away by some of the map design. the sky textures especially have this certain beauty about them and i can't quite explain why they appeal to me so much

[finite crag]

You mod that weirdcore subreddit, right? I can see why they'd appeal to you. The sky textures feel very surreal and dreamlike.

It's a lot like Super Mario 64 I guess? It treads this line between looking how it wants to but also having this weird dreamy quality to it where things feel both populated and empty, and it is sometimes surreal if you just sit there and watch.

[remote hare]

those little fcks can ruin speedruns with an ease if they are high in numbers. I frequently watch Coincident getting rid of Pain Elementals if they are closeby for this reason

[proud pilot]

yeah! been thinking about making an edit with a doomguy hand png actually
the sky textures would be awesome for an edit too though

[proud pilot]

i learned baron techniques from coin but the last time i watched him was before i started doom ii
should probably look into that

[finite crag]

You totally should do that! I'd love to see it.

[proud pilot]

i'll post it here or dm it to you when i'm done!

i have one with the nukage textures actually, i was trying to do something new with an overused base image lol

[finite crag]

Badass I'd love to see that too sometime.

[proud pilot]

mind if i dm it to you?

[finite crag]

I don't mind at all!

[night vapor]

DOOM 1 and 2 just got an update on console. Does anyone know what changed?

[limpid zinc]

There wasn’t one for pc as far as I can tell so probably a bug fix

[slim willow]

[chrome ferry]

E4M1 is ridiculously hard, like i can beat most of Plutonia maps in UV, but this one i always die like 10 times lol

[royal heron]

Just gotta take it slow

[past field]

Just wait till you get to E4M2

[azure nimbus]

e4m2 is good. e4m1 is a troll

[royal heron]

E4M2 is good, agreed

[past field]

E4M2's start is bad not gonna lie

it starts you off with many demons getting you as soon as you load in

[hollow rune]

just RIP AND TEAR BROTHER!!

[azure nimbus]

or let them rip and tear each other. At that point, yeah you have very little to fight back with. But they do. Or, as I stole peter's strategy, just run to the plasma so you have an actual weapon before the cacos get moving

[azure nimbus]

So, we've been stuck on stardate 20x6 map06 for a while. Ribbiks is starting to bully us. I started practicing map07 and...wow that ending. From the moment you grab the bfg it goes off the rails. The only way that I beat the penultimate archie horde was by sr50ing from the far away invuln. That does mean that I need to do the christmas tree fight without the invuln... I managed to still die there with the invuln on a with-saves practice run because they AV jumped me over the gate and I got softlocked

[proud pilot]

anyone else ever sv_nomonsters and just explore maps

doing that with ancient aliens rn because it's pretty as hell

[azure nimbus]

sometimes it helps just to get a feel for the layout or practice movement. Did that a few times for more complicated NM levels and MSCP map15's platforming section

[prime lava]

well I run nomo often so yes :^)

[proud pilot]

oh hm doing it as practice is a good idea
might try that on the chasm

[regal olive]

Just making a blood atmospherical map

[chrome ferry]

At least there's room to move around the demons and the BFG, so i can take down those cacodemons. But E4M1 is just no mercy lol

[hexed escarp]

are plutonia and tnt iwads or pwads?

[pearl osprey]

IWADs

[hexed escarp]

ok

[royal heron]

You know about the BFG wallgrab?

[chrome ferry]

Yes, but it makes the level so easier i prefer to telefrag the cyberdemon

[royal heron]

Ah

E4M2 is a bit of a special map for me

[halcyon willow]

E4M1 is one of my favorite doom 1 maps

So much so that my first released map was a remake of it

[royal heron]

Interesting

Mind sharing the link? Wanna try it

[halcyon willow]

It was in JOM 6

Gimme a sec

Be easiest to get it through here
https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Bridgeburner56

"Violence Follows Violence" is the map name. E4M14 iirc in JOM6

(Yes that is a biblical quote for a map name following the tradition of doom 1 episode 4)

[azure nimbus]

not doing the wallgrab for the bfg in e4m2 nomo is throwing

[torn pivot]

Doomguy Going into (Doom Zero) and coming out of (Doom 2016) The Sarcophagus
https://youtu.be/4bfIgL4JZM4

[azure nimbus]

what are those extra lines on the player arrow when you do iddt?

[vocal summit]

i presume they have something to do with linedefs

[azure nimbus]

the wiki says that they're Dave Taylor's initials but they're neither Ts nor Ds imo

[vocal summit]

not talking about the cheat itself

talking about the extra lines

[azure nimbus]

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Easter_egg so is this

[finite crag]

wolf 3d reference

[finite crag]

I think E4M2 is fairly harder than E4M1 because E4M1 isn’t too hard if you don’t get hit by the shotgunners or barons

[tacit remnant]

That’s one hell of an if

[vivid vine]

E4M2 took me several tries to pistol start and E4M1 was over with fast

[chrome ferry]

Yeah, today i've watched a walkthrough of E4M1 100% and didn't know that bring all the barons in one spot and shoot with the rocket launcher, it would maximize the splash damage lol

[wraith sluice]

Finished TNT today

and I'm on map 20 in master levels

[azure nimbus]

my condolences

[sturdy sparrow]

i have a new keyboard and doom feels like a completely new different experience now. its never been better. i love it.

[finite crag]

Does DOOM RPG count as Classic doom?

[sick mist]

i think this channel would be the most accurate to talk about the mobile games

[vast reef]

mighty doom

[finite crag]

Yo

I really

Really need help with doom 1993

If anyone who is an expert or knows a lot on the game could please help me

@ me or sum please

[eternal kernel]

[torn pivot]

Final Doom - Tnt: Evilution Map 19: Shipping/Respawning (UV-100%) [Crispy Doom]
https://youtu.be/KZ0cE3_7-uk

[slim willow]

explain

[finite crag]

For some reason I just can’t open the door on the first level

[finite crag]

In knee deep in the dead I can’t open the door (I’m playing in the switch version btw)

[finite crag]

I think either X or A is the use key on switch

[royal heron]

Then just try every button until you get it open?

Not exactly that hard to try and experiment with the controls, tor to look in settings to see the keybinds

[cloud talon]

That's painful

And it only gets worse with maximum doom

[brisk burrow]

i just got prboom plus raytracing and i cant enable dlss thru the game menu even tho i have a nvidia rtx 2070 and the dlss option works for other games

if anyone knows a fix for this ping me plz

[past field]

Did you use nvngx_dlss.dll?

[brisk burrow]

no

do i have to download it?

nvm i figured it out i just went to a game with the file and copied it to prboom plus rt folder and the dlss options works now

[past field]

You dont have to, I just thought that would fix it

[limpid zinc]

Sounds like support for RDNA2 gpus is going to be added to prboom-plus-rt soon https://github.com/sultim-t/RayTracedGL1/pull/11

[sick mist]

Good sh!t

[astral goblet]

alright ive beaten doom 1 (including ep4), fun shooty game

[azure nimbus]

I'm curios, did you often resort to guides when getting lost or finding secrets? I needed doomwiki constantly. e4m3 and e4m7 especially

[astral goblet]

I didnt bother with secrets and just tried to get to the end of each level, didnt need a guide but I did get lost a few times, for secrets I wanted to only get ones I actually found myself

most secrets I ended up finding while searching for the exit

[cinder nest]

just finished PL2.wad

good map but im bad so it took a month to beat

[sweet fossil]

Does anyone remember the playing the Town Infection megawad?

[torn pivot]

Doom - Monster Paralysis - Revenant punching out a Spider Mastermind
https://youtu.be/geN01-THM3Q

[young pond]

I've started a YouTube Playlist with a Playthrough of DOOM Ray Traced with 100% Kills and 100% Secrets on the Ultra-Violence difficulty. Every level is Pistol start.

DOOM Ray Traced | E1M1 - Hangar
https://youtu.be/A8yks8ZPMXg

[torn pivot]

PSX Doom TC: Lost Levels - Map 31: Shipping/Respawning (100%) Ultra Violence
https://youtu.be/5GJ2ZYAU-Vo

[acoustic canopy]

can someone just tell me how to download brutal doom plz

[pearl osprey]

1. Download the brutalv21.rar file from ModDB.
2. Extract the .rar archive to get brutal doom pk3/7 file.
3. Drag and drop the pk3/7 file onto GZDoom.exe

[acoustic canopy]

i don't have gzdoom intsalled

[pearl osprey]

Install it beforehand

[acoustic canopy]

it seems like vega did not like that

[pearl osprey]

Installing GZDoom is easy just make sure to add your doom.wad or doom2.wad file to the gzdoom folder after it's done

[royal heron]

Well the first thing is to download gzdoom lol

You need an engine to run the files

[acoustic canopy]

does it require doom 1 or doom 2 at all

[molten iron]

Yeah you need at least one of them

Maybe freedoom also works

[dapper flint]

Still out here using zdl

[lost thunder]

zdl is a generic launcher, not a port

[dapper flint]

No shit

[lost thunder]

then why bring it up when the conversation is about ports lol

[dapper flint]

Because coffee is a friend . Someone who's been here just as long as me and it's an inside joke

Thanks for stopping by though

[lost thunder]

not sure what the aggression is for, but alright

[dapper flint]

Sounds good

[pearl osprey]

Wdym, ZDL is my favorite source port

[dapper flint]

It's amazing. Even has remote control support

[azure nimbus]

They didn't know the inside joke, no need to be antagonistic though (ZDL is really good though, works with every port that I use)

[dapper flint]

I just find it really easy to use. Load order and switching ports all that fun stuff

[azure nimbus]

don't know how to change load order, but never had to deal with priority loading anyway

[dapper flint]

Yeah I mean only if you have some mods going on

I know you're not the biggest fan of that

[azure nimbus]

Yeah I try keeping it pretty vanilla. That's why it's taking me months to finish pirate doom. Just can't get down to finishing it. Skillsaw's changes are always tactful for me though

[dapper flint]

Meta dooms probably my favorite. But that's about it

Meta doom btsx has been a great time

[azure nimbus]

btsx is great but wow I get lost. It was the first complex mapset that I've played so maybe that's why.

[dapper flint]

You'll be fine now

It's not as bad as you remember

[azure nimbus]

I might revisit it just to play the full version of the last map. ehh I'll probably just play e3 when it comes out. I still use idclip or iddt when I first learn maps if they're hard. For skillsaw level stuff, I'll try playing blind. But ribbiks, I'm struggling as is -- I need to know the layout first. I'll just spend a month finishing the last 3 20x6 maps...they're so hard (partially cuz I misread the purple room in map06. didn't realize that it's asymmetric)

[dapper flint]

20×6!!! So damn good. I'm still trying to make my way through zenith

[slim willow]

lmfao

[lethal terrace]

ngl, kinda hate the way this looks.

one of those "we did it cause we can" moments

[slim willow]

play rtx doom with psx doom music and sounds

[lethal terrace]

that actually sounds like an awful experience

[gusty falcon]

rtx doom looks amazing but i'll bet if you tried to run that with any of the popular megawads it... would become unplayable quickly

even with how good prboom plus is at performance

eviternity comes to mind

[lethal terrace]

oh absolutely, but i'd rather stick with the standard lighting.

RTX with DOOM just seems super off putting to me. realistic lighting in a nearly 30 year old game?

no thank you

[gusty falcon]

from one of the vidoes i saw the lighting and shadows look amazing and enhance the horror vibe but its definately leaning more towards doom 3

because its so dark that you actually need a flashlight

[lethal terrace]

lol

[slim willow]

hence why I recommended the PS1 audio

[gusty falcon]

if i wanteed horror doom 1 id just play psx doom

same result and doesnt set a graphics card of fire

[lethal terrace]

fax

[gusty falcon]

adnittedly ive not done as much doom on mobile as i normally do. not since i hacked my 3ds and have been playing on that alot. ive been trying out brutal doom platium people say dox worked on it for a whole year straight and it shows it feels amazing

from the moment i saw the relaod on the assualt rifle that reminded me of the one in pb i knew it was going to be good

ive just been going around replaying mapsets to get a good feel for it.

double impact, deathless, btsx 1 maps of chaos monster hunter 1, good morning phobos , zone 300

as i kept playing i noticed that some of the enemies have new attacks too.

like the cyverdemon he can fire his rockets up and the come crashing down like an orbital strike

[wraith sluice]

ive beaten 14 more levels of plutonia today

only 3 left

[slim willow]

nice!

[young pond]

ouh i absolutely love this mod. some areas don't work as they did in the original, for example end room in E1M5 where barrels illuminate everything or the big open room in E3M7 which is so dark.
it definitely sets a different mood. i'd say E2M6 is even more horror-like now than in the original.

[azure nimbus]

crazy progress nice

[young pond]

DOOM Ray Traced | E1M2 Nuclear Plant
https://youtu.be/pT59nUsCDKo

[torn pivot]

Final Doom - Tnt: Evilution Map 20: Central Processing (UV-100%) [Crispy Doom]
https://youtu.be/UOEDPreEp0c

[proud pilot]

made it to tower of babel in one breath, this could be the end of my quest to finish episode 2 on uv with no deaths 💪

i think i can handle this. two months of practice and a doom ii playthrough with cyberdemons in trickier spots than this? hell yeah

[past field]

If you have a BFG, you can kill the cyberdemon with 4-5 shots with it at safe range

Maybe it even takes more, but that wont matter, since its the last map of the episode

[azure nimbus]

no bfg in episode 2. 3 to 5 at a "safe" range, but with good rhythm, it can be done in two every time

[past field]

Oh right

E3M8 and E4M8 are easy cuz you can one-shot the spiderdemon with the BFG (unless you’re playing vanilla doom)

[azure nimbus]

yeah the blockmap makes 1shotting them pretty inconsistent unless you really know where the grid is. Even then, two tapping the thing isn't too bad

[proud pilot]

yeah it would be GREAT if i had a bfg but at least i have full plasma ammo

gonna alternate between blasting lost souls with that and shooting rockets at the cyberdemon and running like hell

[finite crag]

They added Arrival

[limber mirage]

https://slayersclub.bethesda.net/en/article/6uwXZN4jU8Ef9cRi1HoVTs/new-add-on-available-arrival

[past field]

still waiting for Bourgeois Deathmatch/Megawad to be in the new port

[kindred otter]

the music and level design is pretty tight so far

[limber mirage]

All original music if I read correctly?

[kindred otter]

seems like it. im digging it a lot. Got a bit of fantasy vibe to it

[limber mirage]

I’ll be able to test it once I get home. Did they fix the resolution Yet?

[kindred otter]

not sure, im playing on PS5 currently

[limber mirage]

Look at enemies at a meh distance. Does it look still pretty pixelated/ smudgy

They had botched the resolution like 5 updates ago and haven’t fixed it since, and it was around 1-1.5 years ago

Such a shame because it used to look so good

[kindred otter]

i hadn't noticed it too much but its also been awhile since i played any classic

[proud pilot]

did it 💪 i am immune to death

now to do episode 3 without dying

[kindred otter]

very nice

[azure nimbus]

@prime lava been stuck on that map for a week now. It is pretty soulcrushing. I think I just need to straight up beat that fight. leaving early is so hard with all the archviles

[prime lava]

Which map is this again (of 20x6 I assume)?

I've not been following, and I haven't played 20x6 other then 01

btw, you can just move this to DMs, barely check here

[finite crag]

I love how people r laughing at just spinning cacodemon

[dapper flint]

Nice runs lately bro. Good stuff

[rough cipher]

hello

[astral saddle]

Lost souls are the worst demons in doom

Fight me

[tacit remnant]

No, I agree. Except for the cherubs in Doom 3 if they count.

Similarly annoying with the added bonus of having the creepiest design

[limpid zinc]

Lost souls would be fine if a single shotgun shot could kill them

[azure nimbus]

just win the 1/256 chance EZ (max damage shotgun is equal to their health. Lots of mapsets lower their health. Eviternity and heartland come to mind for that.

[dapper flint]

Definitely

Turbo souls with infinite height though are nightmare fuel

[azure nimbus]

I would be less willing to defend the lost soul if there was another monster to fill that particular niche. As is, they're super unique. But if there was another monster that did the lost soul but better: a normal AI that doesn't forget its infighting target, not infinite height(?), not getting stuck on items, not having a disgustingly high health for a literal skull

[dapper flint]

Doom zero lost soul original concept demon is pretty neat

[azure nimbus]

remember those crushing me back in 2020 or so. Original concept lost soul with beta version attack on godmachine is #balance

[dapper flint]

Hitscan lost souls loll

[azure nimbus]

does the archvile's or beta lost soul attack count as "hitscan"? Because other monsters don't block the attack like from zombies or your weapons. Archvile will damage you as long as you're in LoS and beta lost soul simply does damage as long as it attacks

[dapper flint]

I just remember a eye glow and a hit. But I think it does have blast. I wonder if hugging a wall would also work

For damage reduction

[azure nimbus]

don't think so. Decino talks about it in his beta bfg video. They just do damage regardless of LoS as long as they've begun their attack

[wraith sluice]

IM DONE WITH PLUTONIA

[slim willow]

YEAH!!

howd you like it?

[wraith sluice]

for some reason it took me less than half the time to beat than TNT

it was really good

especially after the misery that was tnt

[azure nimbus]

maps are shorter and better. much easier to be motivated even though it's harder

[wraith sluice]

yeah

fucking finally

on to Doom 64

[slim willow]

64 is great. It's spooky too.

[tacit remnant]

I consider Archviles to be targeted AOE rather than hitscan. It’s not a perfect description but hitscan isn’t quite right either

[azure nimbus]

it's kinda like the rocket launcher where it has two components to the attack. It's two parts

[low trellis]

I like the shotgun

[halcyon willow]

It's hit scan but it's a delayed activation. Once the damage frame is triggered, if you're in sight then you get hit that tic.
The damage has 2 elements, a directly applied damage and a blast damage element. The blast damage element can actually be blocked separately if you are hard up against a 32 mu high wall and it's between you and the archvile

[tacit remnant]

The shotgun is rad but the super shotgun is just better

[dapper flint]

Depends on the situation

The shotgun has a very specific purpose

[tacit remnant]

I know.

[dapper flint]

Good.

[hidden crag]

yall checked out the rt mod yet? it's actually really well made

for doom 1

[merry shell]

Anybody keeping up on the progress of brutal doom?

[finite crag]

Ehm,
Pain elemntals
Cyberdemons
Arch viles

And dont fucking mention m19 in valiant thats just hell mainly pacifist runs

[astral saddle]

Pain elementals only spawn lost souls

Arch viles can only revive some demons

And cyberdemons are bosses and aren’t common in vanilla doom 1 and 2

[finite crag]

Yea but in boom 21 lost soul limit is hell when set to off

[finite crag]

But when u try to kill them they blast ur face

[astral saddle]

Dodge it

[astral saddle]

But the real attack is the lost soul

[azure nimbus]

learned pretty recently that lost souls from a dying PE target the monster or player that the PE was targeting

[violet sundial]

I'm on e1m5 and I just opened the blue door

I am in need of emotional support 😭

Playing Nightmare difficulty on Android

[past field]

try using a bluetooth mouse and keyboard, that'll most likely help you out

also, congrats for getting that far in Doom 1 on NM! thats a very big challenge!

[violet sundial]

It's not for me lol

I'm just scared it's not hard

||I've been the doomslayer since age 3||

Although did Bethesda improve the lighting?

I don't recall things being so dark that I'm forced to shoot blind

I like it better this way

Ohh yeah I forgot about the goggles lol

Thank goodness

I already killed everything though

Question: Has anyone ever beat Doom blindfolded?

[grim pollen]

Tarnsmandw did episodes 1-4 on ITYTD. And forget the map but stopped somewhere in doom 2.

Probably saved on his twitch channel

[violet sundial]

Did he memorize the maps?

[grim pollen]

Of course

[limpid zinc]

Yeah, it looks great

[violet sundial]

I thought maybe he relied on sounds

[finite crag]

near a wall man i would just alt f4 and go play csgo 💀

[violet sundial]

Just slide to the left

[azure nimbus]

playing ITYTD would be an interesting "mode" for a rocket jump based platforming level. I don't know if Archvile jumps depend on damage like rockets do. If so, throw in some AV jumps too.

[lost thunder]

they don't

you should try avj.wad if you like avjs though

[prime lava]

avj map12 rocks 🙂

[violet sundial]

Are add-ons for the Android port similar to mods or something else

[limber mirage]

Somewhat

Add ons are user created maps you couldn’t normally get without a source port on pc

Something like rekkr is a total conversion. Mod. But yeah they are in a way mods / dlc

It’s far from a perfect system. But at least it’s free / gives consol/ mobile people the opportunity to play things they normally couldn’t

[violet sundial]

Thanks

[royal heron]

Aka the worst enemy in the game

Not that message shit

I mean to reply to thre pain elemental one

Pain elementals generally suck

[azure nimbus]

how about a monster whose attack is spawning another of that monster. They can't deal damage but spam up the area. completely unplayable in most envirnments

[limber mirage]

I do like the concept of a monster that can duplicate,

So you don’t kill it fast enough it turns into 1 other

[violet sundial]

Too ez tho

[azure nimbus]

all depends on how much health it has

[young pond]

DOOM Ray Traced | E1M3 - Toxin Refinery
https://youtu.be/k0spiTKFRLQ

[warm ferry]

Why did Midnight have to remind everyone of Rootpain

[cloud talon]

Rootpain?

[astral saddle]

Well for starters they’re fast af and with bad enough RNG do tons of damage they’re littered everywhere after knee deep in the dead and they don’t even die easily

[warm ferry]

Very fucked up Doom WAD

[stark grove]

Lmao i just watched his video, i was so uncomfortable

[stark grove]

Bruh i finished all 3 episodes in NM difficulty some weeks ago on bfg edition

[azure nimbus]

does bfg edition have fast pinkies and projectiles on nightmare yet?

made it to the last fight on 20x6 map06 twice today es hem hach still ded

[little gulch]

anyone know how to run chocolate doom through steam properly? i get the message "game mode indeterminate. no IWAD file was found. try specifying one with the '-iwad' command line parameter"

[halcyon willow]

Make sure the iwad is in the same directory as the port exe

[wraith sluice]

I beat Hectic in doom 64 this morning

[sullen spruce]

Hectic is always a pain.

[stark grove]

Idk

[finite crag]

According to Decino doom bfg edition lacks fast monsters

[vast reef]

yeah

[finite crag]

Speaking off prboom how do i get more saves space

[prime lava]

dsda-doom (a fork of prb+) has 16 pages of 7 saves

prb+ umapinfo probably has more pages too

[finite crag]

Alright but id there a way to make infinite saves like gzdoom?

[prime lava]

probably not

[finite crag]

Damn anyways thanks for the tip

[prime lava]

np, dsda-doom is pretty much just prb+ so you won't need to adjust

just some new QoL features and other stuff

[past field]

But actually
You didnt

nightmare on the BFG edition doesnt have the fast monsters, making it far easier than on the original version or a source port

[eternal trout]

hey guys, I got doom on my phone and when i tried to launch it, it was stuck, the phone was still working and reacting but the game wasn't, if anyone can help that would be appriciated

[hexed escarp]

If I only have the bfg edition of the doom 2 wad that I got from doom eternal, where should I buy it to get the proper original wad

Cuz the bfg edition is causing issues with udb

[pearl osprey]

on Steam is the best way

[hexed escarp]

Ok

[pearl osprey]

If you buy Doom 1 and Doom 2 you get a bunch of other IWADS for free as well

#classic-doom message

[hexed escarp]

Do I need to buy both to get that?

Or just 1

[limpid zinc]

The only other iwads that normally cost extra are TNT and PLUTONIA

[hexed escarp]

Cuz the bfg edition of doom wad works well enoufh

[pearl osprey]

I'd personally get doom 2 only

[hexed escarp]

Bruh I already bought those separately on steam I'm so dumb

[limpid zinc]

If you want more modding support then get doom 2

[pearl osprey]

as doom 1 modding isn't that common

[pearl osprey]

oof

[limpid zinc]

Sigil is really the only notable doom 1 mod

[hexed escarp]

Also for me at least the doom 1 bfg wad seems to work well enough in udb

[limpid zinc]

They’re only $5 each so it’s not like you’d be breaking the bank

[hexed escarp]

I tried it and it works with the bfg edition wad

[limpid zinc]

Plus the unity port that comes with the steam release is good for local multiplayer if you ever decide to do that

[hexed escarp]

Ok

I am doing local multiplayer but I'm doing it with Choco doom cuz I like the authenticness of it

[limpid zinc]

Crispy doom is my personal favorite

[young pond]

DOOM Ray Traced | E1M9 Military Base https://youtu.be/YPBPEBUXJA8

[past field]

oh, but its worth it

there are many great mods for doom 1 like No End In Sight and SIGIL

[stark grove]

well fuck

[limber mirage]

Doom 1 and 2 Rereleases

Doom 1 comes with

——Sigil ( 8 level wad) 1 secret
Plutonia ( 30 level wad) 2 secret
TNT Evilution ( 30level wad) 2 secret
Double Impact ( 8 levels) 1 secret level
——Deathless ( mega wad. 32 levels) 4 secret levels
——No end in sight ( mega wad 32 levels) 4 secret levels
BTSX ep 1 ( 25 level wad) 2 secrets
BTSX ep 2 ( 26 level wad) 1 secret
Doom Zero ( 32 level wad) 2 secrets
Syringe 7 level wad
Earthless 12 level wad
Arrival 11 level wad

Doom 2 comes with

Master levels
——No rest for the living (8 levels)
TNT evilution ( 30 level wad) 2 secrets
Plutonia ( 30 level wad) 2 secrets
Double Impact( 8 level wad) 1 secret
BTSX ep 1 ( 25 level wad) 2 secrets
BTSX ep 2 ( 26 level wad) 1 secret
Doom Zero ( 32 level wad) 2 secrets
Syringe 7 level wad
Earthless 12 level wad
Arrival 11 level wad

—— Indicates exclusive to version of doom

REKKR
Total conversion mod for Both Dooms
4 episodes. 8 levels each.
Treat as a new game

[waxen zealot]

Guys

I know it's not technically Classic Doom

but um, what are all of your opinion's on Hexen?

and heretic

?

[finite crag]

Its like doom but set in medieval times

[violet sundial]

I haven't played hexen in years

I am honestly surprised I can instantly recognize the name