classic-doom

[steel lion]

yeah

im going to try to find zdoom on the dos version

[distant breach]

I wish they used the brutal doom design for Icon of Sin in Eternal, maybe with some revamping.

It was truly hellish

[dense pier]

Ooh man of culture. Brofist :) Brutal Doom Icon of Sin wad boss in eternal. Yeah. Thats very truly hellish

[dapper flint]

https://imgur.com/a/fYbjf0Z

Like this concept art version

[dense pier]

https://youtu.be/nQCJQ7S08Ps

Like that but doom eternal graphics

[dapper flint]

Four arms would be cool

Maybe a second pair that's all usless and small

[vivid vine]

That definitely seems like some kind of edited sprite with the icons head slapped on it

[dapper flint]

That's what it is I think

I personally like eternals icon of sin. The rotting one from 2016 is cool too

[vivid vine]

He starts with power armor which I never even thought of

[dapper flint]

There's concept art of classic sin with just this skinny half dead body. Really weird design

[distant breach]

EEEE that's rad

[distant breach]

Makes sense if the Makyrs equip it for their purpose

[distant breach]

👊 brutal doom would've sweeped off all it's competitors if it were released in 1993 as the first installment of the franchise. Even it's HUD looks so good.

Brutal Doom's protagonist is like doomguy high on 500 jabs of adrenaline and testosterone

And snorted a lot of GFuel

[dense pier]

:) brutal doomguy like a doomslayer x1000

[worthy totem]

How are you even supposed to beat that

[worthy totem]

Brutal doom is in my opinion is the pin point of perfection for a doom mod

[dense pier]

Brutal doom leads modern doom

Glory kill, more action etc come after brutal doom

[worthy totem]

I wish I could combine it with EOA

I love the whole upgrade system and map

And challenges make it a lot of fun

I also love EOA's movement

Being able to climb ledges and double jump just feels right to me

[azure nimbus]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1300887994 I finally did it. Crippling Legion (MSCP map14). around 30 min into the vod.

[royal heron]

Eh imo there's better mods than brutal doom

[tranquil kindle]

Where would I talk about bugs for the classic Doom games?

[tacit remnant]

Is there a Doom randomizer? If so how do I run it?

[past field]

Reelism and corruption cards, both for gzdoom

[tacit remnant]

Are those file names?

[finite crag]

I honestly just don't really like most Doom mods unless it's a completely different experience.

I really like Reelism, Reelism is fun as shit.

But like Brutal Doom is lame to me, I'd rather just play the OG games vanilla.

[tacit remnant]

Yeah brutal Doom doesn’t seem very interesting to me

[grim pollen]

i remember my last attempts in brutal doom. The grenade caused corpses to softlock your progression 👍

[past field]

nope, real names for real mods that use real randomizers

https://www.thekinsie.com/reelism/ heres reelism

https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=67939 and heres corruption cards

they're a lot of fun, with reelism being a lor more challenging with the many different enemies and bosses

and cc giver you 3 cards per level to use either until the level ends or until you beat an episode or the game

[dapper flint]

To each their own. I don't either but if people find joy in it then that's cool

[fast solar]

how do i kill the icon od sin

of

[royal heron]

@fast solar launch rockets into his brain

[fast solar]

k thanks

where is the head of the guy in a stuck?

[royal heron]

In the icon of sin

[fast solar]

thx

epic gamer moment, ive killed the icon of sin in doom 2

[glass linden]

Please make Cacodemon pog a thing

Like it’s already a thing but as an emote

[fast solar]

how?

[royal heron]

Just noclip through the icon of sin

Type idclip using the keyboard while in-game

[tacit remnant]

If they’re not files how do they work?

[fast solar]

thank you

[azure nimbus]

IDSPISPOPD works too if you're too fancy for IDCLIP

[tacit remnant]

Is there a way to get ZDoom to automatically do pistol start in settings?

[dapper flint]

I mean idclev doesn't take that long

[tacit remnant]

IDK what that is

[dapper flint]

Type it in plus the level number and it restarts the level pistol start

[tacit remnant]

Okay

Thank you

[dapper flint]

No worries

[vivid vine]

Crispy having a -pistolstart parameter

[high thistle]

ima be streaming Obsidian in #757499058192646204 2

[grizzled swan]

I might be a bit late, but i finally decided to start playing doom, and im starting with this one, ive done 4 missions, im on the 5th, is there anything i should know? And are there any doom games out of the main 5 that i should skip, or are they all worth playing?

[high thistle]

3 is skipable

[royal heron]

3 is skippable, but you should still play it sometime

[grizzled swan]

I see, is it skippable because its not as good or not integral to the over arching story?

[royal heron]

It's a eh doom game, a great horror game

[high thistle]

yeah

[grizzled swan]

A horror game, ill pass lol

[royal heron]

And yeah it's a separate timeline from the main DOOM timeline with Doomguy

[high thistle]

if you want BOOM wow that guy's head exploded, SKIP 3

and if you just want boom just download boom lmao

[grizzled swan]

Do u guys have any tips for doom 1993 the 5th mission is hard lol

[molten iron]

Jus finished Scythe 2, and it is … disappointing
The first few levels are alright, but then it becomes a drag to play. Too many slathermaps from map15 onwards

[royal heron]

Slaughtermaps you say?

That's been kinda my thing lately

Gonna go check it out

[high thistle]

Same lmao

i hate thinking

just skip to the part with the juice on the wall

[royal heron]

You can take it slow or you can watch a walkthrough, no shame in doing that

[grizzled swan]

Is doom 64 worth playing?

[royal heron]

I did that too when I started out

[high thistle]

it's aight.

[royal heron]

Oh yeah for sure

[molten iron]

The second half of scythe 2 is full of them, too many revenants, plutonia flashbacks

[grizzled swan]

I can figure out what to do, im just sh!t at fps games

[high thistle]

have you even SEEN community chest 2?

[royal heron]

Ah then you can play at a lower difficulty

[grizzled swan]

Im already on the medium difficulty, too much shame in going any lower 😂

[molten iron]

Not yet, but it looks interesting

[royal heron]

No shame playing lower difficulties

[high thistle]

yeah no shame i usualy go on "Hey not too rough"

[royal heron]

Skill builds up

[molten iron]

Save scum as much as you like

[high thistle]

there is one map that is a slaughtermap with limited bullets

[high thistle]

yeah now i feel less sympathy for you

[royal heron]

I played on I'm Too Young To Die when I started out, then went back when I got better to finish everything on Ultra-Violence

Watching guides and walthroughs also help

[molten iron]

[grizzled swan]

Tru, ill give it a go if im really struggling still tommorrow

[high thistle]

lmao imagine hating on people who play doom for fun.

[royal heron]

Oh yeah PBeGood4

Check out this mod called Bite Sized Threat

It'll make your gameplay much more interesting

It's also vanilla compat

[molten iron]

Gzdoom?

Ohh, nice

[royal heron]

Yeah it uses DEH

[high thistle]

we eat the threat

[royal heron]

It basically shortens your bullet count and lowers enemy health, so ammo managemwnt gets trickier

[molten iron]

Ive been playing some wads using Doom4vanilla and its pretty fun, so ill take a look 👍

[royal heron]

It'll really make you think how to spend each bit of ammo wisely

[high thistle]

neat

[royal heron]

Max bullet capacity is lowered to 160, shells to 20, rockets to 20, and cells to 160

Enemy health is reduced by 75%

To 1/4 of their original

Except for lost souls

The creator gave them 1 health

Preach, honestly

[high thistle]

he should have deleted them

[royal heron]

They should've always had 1 health

[molten iron]

Also played heartland again, and playing a wad without rewind is weird.
I die because of something stupid, and have to restart the fight all over again

[royal heron]

Not 100 friggin health, how is a skull stronger than an imp

[royal heron]

Yeah it's chunky, you just gotta save

[molten iron]

Chad

[royal heron]

Feels weird without rewind or level restart to me either

You can actually chainsaw an archvile to death with bite sized threat

It's surprisingly fun to do

I tried punching out a cyberdemon to death with it too, was unsuccessful but if I really tried I could probably do it

[molten iron]

You CAN also do that normally, I just wouldnt reccomend it :P

[royal heron]

Since its health goes from 4000 to 1000

[royal heron]

What I mean is you can do it in 1 go

Without cover

[molten iron]

Oh, the enemies have that little hp?

Seems pretty cool

Like the Realist difficulty of some mods

[royal heron]

Yeah the enemy health is reduced to 1/4 of their original health

So zombiemen health goes from 20 -> 5

And etc

Since archie has 700 health, that's around i think 170 health?

For the 1/4 approximation

Yeah 175

[molten iron]

Slathermaps with that mod must be weird

[royal heron]

Yeah

Since your ammo count is also limited

I tried it with scythe's map 26

It was pretty interesting

[molten iron]

map26 is amazing

Its a slaughtermap well done

[royal heron]

Yeah, my first slaughtermap experience ever too

Recently went back and beat it on ultra violence

I think I have the demo recording somehwere on my laptop

[molten iron]

Scythe 2 slaughtermaps are not bad, but they are also not good

Atleast imo

[royal heron]

How would you describe them

[golden cobalt]

What DOOMs do yall have?

[royal heron]

1, 2, tnt, plutonia, 2016, Eternal(Still haven't played yet, sitting in my Steam library bc I don't have a setup powerful enough to run it)

[molten iron]

Its like very sadistic plutonia levels that put revenants in the distance, and doesnt give you enought ammo

[royal heron]

Oh geez sniping revs

[molten iron]

All except rpg

[golden cobalt]

I have'nt heard of tnt and plutonia

[royal heron]

Hell Revealed map 14 has sniping revs protected by blockmap bug

You cannot possibly get worse than that

[molten iron]

You havent played Eternal yet 👀
Got some friends to play it and they are loving it.

I played Eternal like 7 times already (+ dlcs)

[royal heron]

They're expansions for doom 2

[golden cobalt]

Oh ok

[royal heron]

2 different megawads, 32 levels each

[golden cobalt]

Thx

[royal heron]

Np

[golden cobalt]

Do you have remastered version of doom 1?

[royal heron]

Ultimate Doom?

Yeah, I think that's what everyone has nowadays at least

Iirc it's impossible to get Doom v1.9 anymore

[molten iron]

It is, on doomworld

[royal heron]

Unless you get it from some archive that has the wad file lol

[royal heron]

Oh it is? Interesting

[molten iron]

It open source so it fine to distribute

[golden cobalt]

Idk if that is doom 1 remastered what im thinking about

[royal heron]

Yeah it probably is what you're talking about

[molten iron]

You mean the Unity port?

[golden cobalt]

Ok

[royal heron]

It has an extra 4th episode added to the original 3

[golden cobalt]

I really don't know i forget everything

[silent valley]

Bro it took me like 10min to finish the 4th or fifth level in episode one

[azure nimbus]

sometimes if I feel like replaying doom1, I get discouraged at map04. Yeah they get pretty mazy

[zenith berry]

There is some downgrader tool for the Ultimate Doom that restores it to the older version, although it works on DOS only I think? So you’ll have to run through it on DOSBox.

[azure nimbus]

DSDA or prboom+ should let you play on lower comp levels for that. Check out Decino's Prboom+ comp level video. 0 and 1 refer to older doom versions

[steel rune]

This game is good

[dapper flint]

I've been redoing 93 with meta. Helps keep it fresh after all these playthroughs over the years

[terse vault]

Hi

[steel lion]

one day i will beat doom keyborad only on nightmare

[terse iron]

I’m doing a blind run of The Plutonia Experiment with fast monsters set on “nightmare” difficulty through gzdoom/PSX doom CE, no saves, 100% kills, secrets and preferably items too all on a controller

[halcyon willow]

congratulations

[royal heron]

fast monsters redundant because nightmare comes with them

also 100% kills is going to be hard, maybe impossible for some maps especially since you're doing no saves

[terse iron]

@finite crag I see

[prime lava]

why would you play a wad blind while on NM LOL

that's a pretty silly thing to do

[eternal lance]

blind run
plutonia
nightmare
no saves

you must be a masochist

[terse iron]

@royal heron I suppose PSX Doom CE’s nightmare is just UV-fast with extra item pickups

[prime lava]

oh there's no respawns in psx doom version?

[terse iron]

Say, 6 shotgun shells instead of 4 and 2 health instead of 1

I pistol start each level

[eternal lance]

[terse iron]

@finite crag PSX Doom CE has every final doom level I believe

Not something official

[dapper flint]

I'd recommend recording your run so people believe you

[terse iron]

Yes

Yes to both😁

[dapper flint]

I use obs but maybe use something else if you have an option. Sometimes it goes full jank

[terse iron]

I’ll try one

Obs*

[eternal lance]

profit

nobody would buy the first one

master levels

[dapper flint]

I'm sure it had something to do with crunch and ps limitations

Really short shit master levels too

[eternal lance]

barely

barely anyone liked it

[dapper flint]

Psx doom is really good though so the master level remixed they did do work well

No icon of sin is nice too

[eternal lance]

don't forget about the "maximum doom" disc that was basically free doom wads on a disc

ambush.wad

[dapper flint]

My maximum doom came with Master levels for the maximum ass experience

[eternal lance]

all boxed copies of master levels had maximum doom

hell,it was advertised on the box

[dapper flint]

Yeah that's what I have

[eternal lance]

source: none

it ain't on maximum doom

some wad you've found on the web

[dapper flint]

Andy.wad

[terse iron]

@dapper flint I’ll figure out how to set up OBS tomorrow, I’m crossing my fingers that it’ll work

[eternal lance]

then get a legit disc copy of maximum doom,open the file folder with wads and then type then ame of the wad into the search bar

[dapper flint]

It's super simple basically set your frame rate monitor res and record screen then hit record to start recording then stop to stop

[eternal lance]

it's not on maximum doom

it's only on a single website

• there is a website with the list of every single Maximum Doom wad and your "deeznut.wad" never was there to begin with

as i said,you just downloaded a wad off the web

no

bruh

thanks vega very cool

ALRIGHT NEVER MIND
it actually is there

i still wonder how it even got thee

bruh

who designed this

someone had to time travel,make a wad named "deeznut" and leave it there

[gusty falcon]

considering the archive website in it's current form is about 10or.so years old

probably not

[zenith berry]

Go back in time to 1995, make a wad titled “PoggersVictoryRoyale.wad” and upload it.

[thick gust]

I remember getting Doom 1 on day 1 when it was released for Windows 95.

[zenith berry]

Doom95, right?

[past field]

I wish I was born in the 90’s

That decade sounds so cool

[zenith berry]

Hehe, me either. I'm glad that we have everything that we need in this decade, but it wouldn't hurt to go back to the 90s even for just once and see how it looked like.

I'm a Gen Z lad, yet the sounds of the floppy disk read-writing, the click-clacks of a mechanical keyboard, the dot matrix printer and anything related to it satisfies me for some reason.

I also thought floppy disks looked cool...

[high pelican]

bro imagine if there was a doom movie with arnold schwarzenegger as the doom slayer

[candid folio]

theres a doom movie with the rock as doom slayer

[delicate raptor]

Can we officially rename the doom 64 engine to MIdTech

[dapper flint]

It was pretty amazing

Went to a school where everyone had their own pc. Installed doom as soon as I could. I was in a nice corner section so the teacher could never see me playing. Just looked like I was typing notes

[vivid vine]

Had a NES, Genesis, and N64

[oak ridge]

Im still new to doom and oh boy im having a blast

So much fun

Made me appreciate old games

[steel lion]

the prboom-launcher and zdl help you so much

[oak ridge]

Yeah i still gotta figure that out. Its a lot of fun learning about it

[steel lion]

a doom launcher helps you with the command parameteres

so you dont need to write all of that just for playing for a few minutes

[oak ridge]

Oh nice

Yeah that would def help

I also cant wait to try out some wads

[steel lion]

try brutal doom

[vivid vine]

MetaDoom instead, though I recommend playing the actual game just as much

[steel lion]

yeah

hey guys how do i deactivate autorun on prboom+?

[mellow matrix]

if you go into prboom.cfg it should be the last setting under # Game settings. Just change the 1 to a 0.

[steel lion]

thanks

[oak ridge]

@steel lion oh trust me i will it looks really cool

[steel lion]

?

doom 1 is easier than doom 2

[oak ridge]

I said i will def try brutal doom

[steel lion]

ok

[oak ridge]

Looks pretty fun

[royal heron]

I recommend DSDA-Doom over PrBoom+

More up to date

Or PrBoom+UM

Or Woof! or Nugget Doom

[vivid vine]

Crispy Doom

[clever iris]

I feel like Brutal Doom changes a bit much for my taste, as it requires Y-axis mouse look. But that's the great thing about the Doom community, there's a wad for everyone.

[dapper flint]

Yeah it's basically its own thing. Far from classic doom itself. But if you like it you like it

[halcyon willow]

capslock is the default button

[vivid vine]

Doom made capslock cruise control for cool

[limber kestrel]

The cyberdemon in The Shores of Hell was quite difficult ngl.

if he was the kid who ignored Sarge's orders, then he would be the Doomguy.

[vivid vine]

Karl Urban actually survived the movie

[limber kestrel]

yes, he ignored his orders, but he would be Doomguy if he was The Kid then... stuff it, this is more of a #doom-3 thing anyway.

I KNOW

I KNOW

https://tenor.com/view/i-know-penguin-point-penguins-of-madagascar-gif-15748745

can this just be a #doom-3 thing? DOOM MOVIE AT #doom-3 CLASIC DOOM/ COMICS AT #classic-doom

The movie is based off Doom 3, for it is the only game with a strong story and dialogue

the other doom games, like the man John Carmack said himslef, story in a game is like a story in a porn movie, it's expected to be there, but it's not that important.

srry, i get mixed up.

what topic would Doom Anhilation be in?

[finite crag]

whats the chasm uv-speed record no wallrunning?

[royal heron]

I think 36 by sedlo?

[terse vault]

Hi

How are you guys

[royal heron]

good

[limber kestrel]

i'm making a Doomguy lego figure.

obviously its gonna take days, i will need layers and layers of paint, then the little details such as his pockets on the belt, the detail on his armour, the exposed six-pack, etc.

[compact totem]

which is the best episode 1, 2, or 3

[torn pivot]

2

[slim willow]

1 and 2 are tied for me

[dapper flint]

5

[tacit remnant]

2 imo. I like the idea of 3 but it feels too mean, especially e3m1. That level is infuriating

[finite crag]

nobody got 35?

[finite crag]

how do u get par 30 in doom e1m8 the intended way?

30 sec is not possible

[royal heron]

not sure, maybe there is but that's as far as I remember, sedlo getting a 36

as for the 30 sec par time, not exactly sure

[finite crag]

i got a 29 sec time on im too young to die with the rocket launcher equipped

defo not possible with pistol

[glass forum]

https://youtu.be/y-uIXjaHSCg

[slim willow]

Poom, the Pico 8 demake of Doom. Good stuff.

[steel lion]

1

[finite crag]

That looks good for the gameboy

[dapper flint]

It is

[eternal lance]

too bad it doesn't look like this on game boy advance

[glass forum]

it's just a fan game dude
take it easy

[eternal lance]

🤨

[slim willow]

and its not running on gameboy either

[terse iron]

@dapper flint Obs kept lagging my game; luckily I realized Nvidia GeForce experience has a built-in screen recorder which totally worked.

[dapper flint]

Yeah obs isn't the best at all

But it's free

[steel lion]

if someone made dragon quest or smth in excel why no-one made doom on excel

[pearl osprey]

OBS is the best recording/streaming software ever imo, if you're getting performance issues that probably means the settings are configured incorrectly

But Nvidia's Shadowplay is really easy to use so if it's your thing just go for it

[dapper flint]

I don't have performance issues while playing but I have had a few video errors after hard map playthroughs that were just annoying. It's probably the best free option though

[vivid vine]

Testing whatever AMDs built in one was showed it needed to be using my mic to get audio recorded for some reason and then it stuck a giant timer in the corner

[grizzled swan]

I just finished phobos anomaly, wtf was the end?

It went dark, and a million monsters destroyed me, but i beat the level?

[tacit remnant]

Yeah basically you die in a scripted setpiece and the next episode opens with you beginning a trek through Hell

[grizzled swan]

Oh, sounds cool

The first chapter was pretty cool

The bosses were also great

[grizzled swan]

As was the soundtrack

[tacit remnant]

You won’t see much of the Episode 1 texture pack from here on IIRC

[grizzled swan]

First game i think ive ever actually finished the credits on lol, the theme is so cool

[grizzled swan]

Interesting

[tacit remnant]

Episode 2 onwards have a completely different visual design since they’re set in Hell

[grizzled swan]

Wait, theres a 4th chapter?

[tacit remnant]

Yes it’s an expansion

[grizzled swan]

I thought there were only 3

[grizzled swan]

Oh, it was free on xbox gamepass 😂

[tacit remnant]

The original game only had 3 but they added the 4th in a free update

[grizzled swan]

Thats cool, good?

[tacit remnant]

Yup

[grizzled swan]

Nice

[tacit remnant]

The 4th episode is kinda brutal tbh.

[grizzled swan]

Cant wait

[tacit remnant]

My favorite episode is episode 2 as I felt 3 got a little too convoluted with its level design and 4 is a slugfest

[worn snow]

Is there a way to download ult doom from steam to a flash drive, so i can play it without being logged in to steam and be online? im a noob btw

[tacit remnant]

You can just do that by playing with Steam on offline mode

No converting to a flash drive necessary

Steam just assumes you want to play online unless you tell it otherwise. When it doesn’t detect an internet signal it gives you the choice to try again or open the game offline

Most games on Steam work that way

[worn snow]

i know but i want to play it witout relying on steam if that is possible. can i do whatever i want with the files (exept distributing ofcourse) like change stuff, mod it etc. legally, since i bought it?

[steel lion]

yeah

[tacit remnant]

If you want to bypass Steam’s infrastructure, you can do that with just your PC but you’ll need to download a source port and put the WAD (that’s what old Doom games call their ROMs) into a file where the source port can find it. Use the Steam library to browse local files to find the WAD

There’s a few source port options but the most popular choice is ZDoom with something like Chocolate Doom as a more authentic to DOS alternative

Source ports are fanmade and therefore free

[steel lion]

yeah,i personally recomend you try,gzdoom or prboom+ depending on gameplay preferences

[worn snow]

you just said alot of words i dont understand lol. im a zoomer noob, and dont know anything about what iit needs to run etc.

oops was supposed to mention molly

[steel lion]

oh

[worn snow]

sorry for being a tech noob lol

try and bare with me;)

like wtf is a WAD haha

[steel lion]

to find the best source port for you,you just need to know 2 things,the capacity of your computer and what you want to play

[dapper flint]

Don't be sorry we all start someplace

[tacit remnant]

Basically the source port is a program that is able to read and interpret the game files

[steel lion]

wad is an acronim for Where's All the DATA

[worn snow]

so its a program that know its language basically

[tacit remnant]

Exactly

[steel lion]

basically,yes

[worn snow]

awesome, could you explain the other stuff that it needs and wants

like the rom etc.

[tacit remnant]

WAD is just what 90’s Id decided to label their game ROMs and houses all the game files themselves

[steel lion]

there are two types of wad files,IWADS and Pwads,the iwads are the game itself,the pwads are the mods

[worn snow]

so basically it is THE game

[tacit remnant]

Yes. It’s the game itself

[worn snow]

okay, whats a rom if i may ask

[tacit remnant]

Read Only Memory

[worn snow]

and what does the source port do?

[steel lion]

play the game

its like an emulator

[worn snow]

so the wad is the game and the source port reads it

[tacit remnant]

So Doom was originally made for a system called “DOS” and the source port converts the data into a form that modern computers can understand

[worn snow]

doesnt dos mean driver operating system?

[tacit remnant]

something like that. I don’t remember exactly

[worn snow]

so the dos i kind of the language?

that the game is coded in

[steel lion]

no,its was for disk operative system

[worn snow]

almost haha i was close enough

[tacit remnant]

It’s a very old Operating System (OS) which is the body of data that allows your computer to run at all

[steel lion]

i think it was,the first user os in the world

[tacit remnant]

A computer without a working OS can’t even turn on

[worn snow]

just by you saying that, it is now my favorite os

[steel lion]

it shouldnt,its very unconfortamble,instead of using your mouse to do the things you normally use,you need to put commands like in minecraft

[tacit remnant]

Modern computers aren’t compatible with DOS because it’s so old and so any program made for DOS needs another program to act as a sort of interpreter

[steel lion]

thats why dosbox exist

[worn snow]

but could i lagally just grab the files from steam (have paid for the game) and go into the code and remove the reliance on steam?

[azure nimbus]

any platforming tips? really struggling with mscp map15

[worn snow]

GIT GUD

[steel lion]

use gzdoom

[azure nimbus]

how is gzdoom helping

[steel lion]

you can jump

[worn snow]

cheat lol

[azure nimbus]

not going to help for this. it's a tightrope platforming. And also that would be cheating, ie not actually doing the thing

[tacit remnant]

Yeah you can legally use a source port as long as you acquired the Rom Legally

[worn snow]

oh that lvl

[steel lion]

yeah

[worn snow]

so its legally my property

[steel lion]

yes

[worn snow]

awesome. i thought that steam still had the authourity (dont know how to spell it) over the game

[steel lion]

the wads of tnt and plutonia are paid?]

[tacit remnant]

You can’t copy it and distribute the copies but otherwise yeah you can use it however you want

[worn snow]

but i can do whatever with that one copy. got it

[tacit remnant]

Right

[steel lion]

[worn snow]

what my end goal is, is basically to get the wad, rom and source port and everything for the game to run, on a usb drive. i want to be able to just execute the file from the usb itself without steam.

[steel lion]

[worn snow]

im sorry if my sentences are really long. english isnt my first language

[tacit remnant]

Also the source ports enable you to use mods and the Steam version doesn’t have mod support.

[worn snow]

so i can pop the usb in ane computer and play anywhere

i like to have my games not rely on anything unesesary

[steel lion]

me too

[royal heron]

once again, Woof! (And its forks) as well as the forks of PrBoom+ are better than PrB+ itself

[worn snow]

where are you from?

[steel lion]

argentina

[worn snow]

nice im danish

[royal heron]

imagine cheating

also yeah, you can play DOOM offline through the use of a sourceport

if you want mods and casual gameplay, GZDoom is a good bet(It'll also run virtually anything)

[worn snow]

could you make a quick list of everything i need and what the do to be able to have everything on one drive. if you dont want to its all good

[royal heron]

DSDA-Doom, PrBoom+UM, Woof!, Nugget Doom, etc(Forks of BOOM) are the best for elevated vanilla experiences

Crispy Doom is great for pure vanilla with a few QOL improvements

[steel lion]

qol?

[royal heron]

and Chocolate Doom for basically Doom the way people played it back in 1993

[royal heron]

quality of life

[steel lion]

oh

[royal heron]

I suppose you could practice on chasm?

or you could take it slow

[azure nimbus]

I suppose I've gone slow but could still try aggressively obnoxiously slow

[grizzled swan]

When do you get the chainsaw?

[royal heron]

oh right, Eternity is a nice option for inbetween ZDoom and Boom

[royal heron]

what map?

[grizzled swan]

Ive only done up to chapter 2 level 2, nothing beyond that so far, could i have got the chainsaw by now?

[royal heron]

e2m2?

hm...

[vivid vine]

Behind a crusher

[azure nimbus]

man, I still fell off and am only tapping the stick forward

[grizzled swan]

Yeah

[azure nimbus]

you should be able to find one in e2m2 but tbh I don't remember where. Chainsaw is pretty trash anyway and most e2 maps have berserk

[grizzled swan]

K, i found beserk

Punched a few demons, and then i got the plasma gun

So my fists were rendered obselete

[azure nimbus]

plasma is crazy strong compared to anything doom1 will throw at you yeah

[grizzled swan]

Good to know

[tacit remnant]

Yeah the only thing about Plasma is that you’ll run out if you overrely on it

[royal heron]

It's still good for saving ammo

So fists aren't obsolete

Especially if you play single segment

[tacit remnant]

In classic Doom, every weapon has a niche because you don’t have enough ammo to just plasma everything

[grizzled swan]

Tru

[tacit remnant]

Plasma is really really powerful but also kinda rare so it’s usually a good idea to save it for emergencies

[grizzled swan]

I see, ill try that bc currently ive just been using the plasma energy as fast as i could get it lol

[tacit remnant]

Also the Episode 2 boss is a really good use of plasma as he takes reduced damage from rockets

[royal heron]

^

He's immune to the splash damage, he only takes the impact damage

Which ranges from 20-160

[dapper flint]

Especially in GZ ;)

Punched a cyber out last night

[royal heron]

ooh

[grizzled swan]

I see, thanks for the unfo

[vivid vine]

And you don't get a plasma gun to fight him with

[grizzled swan]

Hmm, guess id better stop dying then lol

[vivid vine]

Pistol start when you're ready

[cosmic pagoda]

anyone use dsda doom?

I tried it out

and now cannot reset my hud back to normal

f5 just cycles with all the custom ones

oh nvm first f5 changed screen size

[pearl osprey]

• and - keys change screen size to normal hud

[worn snow]

I know its not doom, but figured i could justify asking here. where should i buy quake 1 if i want to have it on a usb drive. please @ me if you want to help. i want everything i need to run it on the drive, so its becomes plug and play.

[vast reef]

#832190972515057684 but you can just take the steam files i think and slap them on a flash drive

[worn snow]

but i want the game to run without relying on steam, so i want to have the wad, souce port and rom on the drive.

[vast reef]

then get the wad from steam

get the source port

put them both on the flash drive

[worn snow]

another wuestion. when i launch doom from steam what is the diffrent between run with dos and run with dos classic controls

*question

[cinder crow]

my last week has been doom

[icy fulcrum]

I have finished playing Ancient Aliens and the fact that it is a dream of the protagonist is obvious. Because in reality it would just scream at the reptilians and the Illuminati on the internet. Anyway Ancient Aliens remains one of my favorite wads, I love the vaporwave vibe of that wad.

[cinder crow]

im busy playing hellectric boogaloo

[dapper flint]

Definitely. It's one of skillsaws best works

[fast mortar]

There's a wad called alt and its possibly the closest a wad gets to feeling like a dream, its like David Lynch made it, but its damn hard and ridiculous at some points

[ionic sable]

https://youtu.be/Mm_eAZy2I-Q

[icy fulcrum]

Am i the only one who feel than Zandronum tend to be more speed than GZdoom?

[hexed escarp]

i just bought doom eternal earlier, and im playing that, but i walso want to play classic doom using the wad files it came with

which version do you guys recommend i play with

[gusty falcon]

Honestly alot of us would recommend plucking the wad files that doom eternal comes with out of that folder and putting them in a source port

[hexed escarp]

yeah thats what i was thinking

but what source port would you recommend

[gusty falcon]

For ease of use and having the most modern options gz doom is a good go to

[hexed escarp]

ok thank you

[hexed escarp]

do i just put the wad in the root folder of that?

[gusty falcon]

Pretty much

[hexed escarp]

ok

can i make it so that i cant look up and down?

[pearl osprey]

You can disable mouselook in the gameplay options

[hexed escarp]

ok

[royal heron]

GZDoom is a good option, esp if you want to run mods too

[hexed escarp]

om

ok

[royal heron]

If you do want a more vanilla experience though, I recommend something like DSDA-Doom

[hexed escarp]

ok

il try that, gzdoom seems good and il use it for stuff, but i do want something that feels more vanilla

[royal heron]

But it depends oh what you like so I can't really recommend a port, you just have to find one you like

[hexed escarp]

ok

[dapper flint]

Gz has options that you can adjust to your hearts desire for a more classic aesthetic

[royal heron]

But generally, there's a list that most people would give to you that looks like this:

[hexed escarp]

is there a vanilla settings preset or smthn?

[dapper flint]

Gz is super customizable so you'd have to go in those menus and get to work. It's the best and worst thing about it haha

[royal heron]

Pretty much true vanilla to the max: Chocolate Doom(It's basically DOOM the way people played it back in 1993)
Vanilla but with quality of life improvements: Crispy Doom
Vanilla but with more advanced engine capabilities: BOOM-Derived ports(DSDA-Doom, Woof!, etc.)
Mods galore and customizability to the max at the price of vanilla compatability: GZDoom

[hexed escarp]

ok

[royal heron]

Oh right, I forgot Eternity Engine

[dapper flint]

Eternity engine is good for Heartland lol

[royal heron]

Which is a middle ground between ZDoom and Boom derived ports

[hexed escarp]

im gonna try chocolate doom cuz that sounds like what im looking for

[royal heron]

👀

[dapper flint]

That's a good choice

[hexed escarp]

at least for a first playthrough

since ive never played the game before, i want to try to play it how it was originally played back in the day

btw can i copy the wad file or do i have to move it around between ports when i want to play them

[pearl osprey]

You can copy it

[dapper flint]

Yeah that's the best thing to do then you can add blood bullet holes and all that fun stuff later. First time doom should always be vanilla

[royal heron]

I feel like usually playing vanilla is a good first experience

If you experience the bells and whistles of advanced ports you may not appreciate the originals

Its like some of those people who don't really like 2016 over Eternal because they played Eternal first before it

[dapper flint]

Very true. I usually just switch over to eternity though when I miss the vanilla feel

[dapper flint]

Aka morons

[royal heron]

True true

Both games are different, appreciate them differently

[dapper flint]

No one does that for any other franchise. The eternal bandwagon fans are just weird

[hexed escarp]

im playing eternal first, i hope i dont end up like this lol

[dapper flint]

I'd recommend 2016 first

Especially since you've never played a doom game before

[pearl osprey]

I really loved 2016, but I can't go back to it after eternal

[dapper flint]

Yeah that's just strange imo. I play my old games all the time

Never understood not playing something just because a new shiny version is out

I mean unless it's cod

[hexed escarp]

my dad got 2016 on our switch, and i played some of it, but im bad at fps games with controllers, so i wanted to get a doom game on my pc and it felt wasteful to get 2016 a second time when eternal exists

so i got that

[dapper flint]

Makes sense. Eternal really brought alot of new fans in

And rightfully so

It's the best fps game made

[royal heron]

Sadly I can't play Eternal yet because I don't have a pc powerful enough

[hexed escarp]

oof

[clever coyote]

I dunno about 'best'

Like... I love Eternal

[royal heron]

My laptop can only run 2016, but I'm not risking it for Eternal

[gusty falcon]

The only instance of the new shiny thing replacing the old one in my eyes would be a game like the first metroid being replaced with its remake zero mission.

[royal heron]

Expecially since the processor speed is only 1.1GHz

[clever coyote]

But I don't think I'll ever love something more than the classic doom

[royal heron]

When Eternal's supposed minimum is 3.6GHz

[clever coyote]

absolutely this

[dapper flint]

Yeah I didn't say that properly. I love all the doom games alot

[clever coyote]

My laptop can run 2016 but not Nightmare Reaper which I've been wanting to play for years.

[dapper flint]

Classic is just perfection though

[gusty falcon]

The old nes game definitely has hacks that bring it more up to date but it'll never really beat the better feeling better controlling slicker zero mission

[royal heron]

Oh right, Enator you can play both 2016 and Eternal in classic doom with the use of mods

[hexed escarp]

what

[royal heron]

Mechanics and everything

[hexed escarp]

huh

thats cool

[dapper flint]

Meta doom has a meathook now which is fun

[clever coyote]

Now I just wish they'd put online co-op in the unity port, especially since the Quake remaster had it.

[royal heron]

Yeah, the mods are called Embers of Armageddon and Embers of Armageddon: Eternal

Here's some gameplay for regular Embers of Armageddon, which is a 2016 replica:

[dapper flint]

Do those allow for center classic view

Or just default?

[gusty falcon]

Just default

[dapper flint]

Unity seems abandoned honestly

[royal heron]

https://youtu.be/wXka5hVQIKk

[dapper flint]

But I think it just had a update the other day ?

Not sure what it fixed

[royal heron]

Nope, sadly just default

[hexed escarp]

help

im playing chocolate doom, and im not getting any music for some reason

[gusty falcon]

Honesty the only thing that even has me checking the wiki about unity is when a community addon addon gets put on the addons list i go to doom world and scoop it up into my collection

[clever coyote]

I mean, they've supported it with a good little handful of mods, and I really do enjoy the port.

[dapper flint]

I think it's been 5 months since earthless

[gusty falcon]

They're not even mods just map packs

[dapper flint]

Maybe 7?

[gusty falcon]

How sad

[clever coyote]

Naw, they have Rekkr on there, that's a pretty drastic one

[gusty falcon]

The only one that could be considered a standalone game aside from that they're all just map packs

Actually rekkr has a version that has rekkr as it's own standalone game

[hexed escarp]

why is music not playing in chocolate doom

[dapper flint]

They have some good limit removing options just haven't uploaded anything new. I guess finding permission and copy right issues for midis can be a issue

[clever coyote]

My only thing is I don't have a desk and a decent machine to relax and enjoy doom, so console ports are what I've got until I fix that. My dinky laptop can play it obviously, but my screen is so tiny it feels like I have to squint.

[dapper flint]

Is it maxed out in settings?

[royal heron]

Do you have the music on? Not sure why this is supposed to happen

[clever coyote]

In terms of console ports, Unity is best one imo

[royal heron]

Lemme check the net to see if anyone else had this problem

[hexed escarp]

i just have the default sound settings

[hexed escarp]

where do i do that?

[dapper flint]

Go to sound

[clever coyote]

When I was a kid I used the Doom 3 Collector's edition to play classic doom and that was just a straight DOS port that looking back was really lackluster.

[dapper flint]

In the menu

[clever coyote]

Plus the cheats in that version were bound so weird.

[dapper flint]

Tangerine nightmare is limit removing. That would be great on unity

[hexed escarp]

did that, still no music

[clever coyote]

I remember the level skip code was... Hold left trigger and either AAAA or BBBB. Left trigger was also run, so if you were running and hammering the open door button, you could accidentally turn god mode on or skip the whole level.

[hexed escarp]

im getting sound effects but no music

[dapper flint]

I'd just reinstall

[pearl osprey]

or just install crispy doom

it's chocolate doom but better tbh

[dapper flint]

Yeah I'd go with crispy

[hexed escarp]

which music option in chocolate doom should i choose, opl (adlib/soundblaster), gus (emulated), or native midi

[dapper flint]

Native

[hexed escarp]

there now im getting music

[royal heron]

Nice

[hexed escarp]

is it bad that my time in levels is way over the par

i like exploring and finding all of the things

[pearl osprey]

Nah it's normal

the par times were achieved with the goal of beating the map as fast as possible while ignoring kills and secrets

so it's kinda like speedrunning in some way

[hexed escarp]

ah i see

[dapper flint]

Yeah I definitely don't give 2 shits about how long a map takes me

[royal heron]

^

Unless I was speedrunning a level

[grizzled swan]

E2M4 is sooo hard

I had to google where the switch was lol

I think i can do it now

[grizzled swan]

Nah im usually a good 15 minutes above par lol

[fast solar]

i beat chex quest

the final boss was a wall

[sullen idol]

nice

[tacit remnant]

So is the Doom 2 final boss

[sullen idol]

icon of sin is just a texture wall, and you must shoot the forehead because inside is john romeros head so the real monster entity is john romero

[hexed escarp]

a few years ago, someone was telling me about doom, and they were telling me about a custom level for doom or doom 2 that they played where at one point in a level, the player entered a room, and the ground was covered in a checkerboard pattern, and then you look up and realize that the room is actually a chessboard, with the various types of enemies representing the various chess pieces

and i kinda wanna find the level. Has anybody ever seen this before?

[tacit remnant]

No but it probably wouldn’t be hard to make something like that

[royal heron]

I think I know it

It was covered once on MtPain27's videos

If I really dig through my obscure memories, I believe it's Japanese Community Project

@hexed escarp

Lemme go ahead and just confirm this just to make sure, brb

[hexed escarp]

ok, thank you so much

[royal heron]

Hm, so I remembered wrong

Gah

I can't keep searching as of right now since I'm not at home, but I'll keep looking when I get home

[hexed escarp]

ok no problem

[hexed escarp]

but you remember that that map exists? i was starting to think i made up the memory

[royal heron]

Definitely

Zombiemen were the pawns, revenants I think were the knights, archvile was queen I think and possibly the cyberdemon as king

Oh wait no the baron was the king

Cyberdemon would've been too big to fit on the board

Or were pinkies the knights?

What I know is that this definitely exists

[hexed escarp]

cool

hmm, i found something searching online, idk if its the same one tho

https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom/d-f/dmches

[royal heron]

If it's a brown room and the placements are exactly what I remember, it might be this

Although i thought I saw it once in Mtpain27's videos before...

[finite crag]

https://youtu.be/HpSd6eugGxU

can someone help analyze this run? I dont know where to save more time

8 sec feels impossible

also how do u start your speedrun looking another direction like this guy? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVuHY-603rI

[worn snow]

for some reason, i dont find the options batch file in my steam doom directory. dosbox is the but the options batch insnt.

[tranquil sphinx]

Ok so is the doom 1 and 2016 spider mastermind two different things

[royal heron]

Movement is pretty darn good

I recommend going in between the two pillars though instead of going outside

As for starting off with a specific angle, that's done during screenwipe I believe

If you want to have a faster time and take up speedrunning seriously, learning SR50 is usually a good choice

It's not hard to learn, but hard to execute in proper runs and get consistent with

[sick grail]

Hello

[torn pivot]

Psx Doom - E1M4B Phobos Mission Control (100%) Ultra Violence
https://youtu.be/C9rJzmmQHiQ

[royal heron]

Nice

[hexed escarp]

what are the big red guys called that run at you?

and why are some of them transparent

[pearl osprey]

they are called pinkies

the invisible ones are called specters

[hexed escarp]

oh

they are annoying

[pearl osprey]

once you finish doom 1 and start doom 2 they become really easy to fight

[hexed escarp]

ok

[pearl osprey]

also they are terrifying in nightmare and fast monsters mode

[hexed escarp]

idk where tf to go in e1m5

im at the area where its just a loop with this one room with toxic goo and these two pillars that go up and down

[pearl osprey]

Yeah og doom layout can be confusing at times

[hexed escarp]

can you give me a hint of where to go?

[pearl osprey]

Sorry my memory of doom 1 maps is weak

[hexed escarp]

ok

why do the map screens look like they were drawn by a seven year old in ms paint lol

[pearl osprey]

they are rendered automatically and not drawn

hence the name 'automap'

[hexed escarp]

ah i see

[pearl osprey]

there is also a cheat code that can give you the whole map

[hexed escarp]

i see

[pearl osprey]

if you have the map open and type 'IDDT' it will show you the entire map

[grizzled swan]

They are terrifying regardless

[grizzled swan]

Oh ik, there are levers in the rooms atop the pillars, go on each pillar and press the buttoms

[hexed escarp]

i did that

[grizzled swan]

I cant remember then

[hexed escarp]

jesus christ e1m6 is a goddamn labyrinth

idk where the hell im supposed to go, there are so many places that all look exactly the same as eachother

also specters are the worst

well, i just found an area with like 20 powerups and stuff but nowhere to use them since ive already killed everything in the level

[dapper flint]

You get used to it

[hexed escarp]

ok

i figured it out, but it was still annoying

[slim willow]

yes

[fast mortar]

Υeah i remember first time i used some guides cause some levels seemed confusin as hell, once you get used to the environment its all good

[magic pike]

doom maps with no custom textures or scripts can be considered a doom mod?

[pearl osprey]

Yes lmao why wouldn't they

[magic pike]

because it's just a map that can be used with any other game based on doom engine

like hexen

[pearl osprey]

Any modification, no matter how small, is by definition, a mod (-ification)

[magic pike]

but it can be also considered a hexen modification

[pearl osprey]

There are sub categories of mods like map sets, megawads, gameplay mods but in the end it's all considered a mod

[magic pike]

i know it

just asking

[grizzled swan]

So, the ending behind the wall in e2m5 is not the normal one?

Interesting

[slim willow]

The one that takes you to Fortress of Mystery is the secret exit, yes.

[grizzled swan]

Fortress of mystery?

[slim willow]

E2M9

[grizzled swan]

Huh, the final level of chapter 2?

[slim willow]

No, the secret maps are slot 9. 8 is the last one.

[grizzled swan]

Secret?

Secret levels? Thats cool

[slim willow]

Yep.

[grizzled swan]

Where do you go at the end of e2m9?

[slim willow]

E2M6. The secret maps are just extra, and when you finish one it takes you to map after the one you found the secret exit in.

[grizzled swan]

Thats cool, thanks

[slim willow]

No problem.

[grizzled swan]

Damn

What a level

By far the best so far lol

[limber mirage]

@thick dagger this chat would know more knowledge of doom wads

[thick dagger]

ok thanks

il copy paste the message 'ere

[rapid kraken]

i find the classic cacodemons really cool

[thick dagger]

stupid question, but does anybody have any reccomendations for doom mods
heres what i have: reelism (both), brutal doom, russian overkill, guncaster, metadoom, and both of the golden souls wads
im bored in quarantine and idk what topic to use on doomworld for this question, sooo

[cosmic pagoda]

is there a nicer sound than that juicy gibbing sound in classic doom

doubt it

[prime lava]

I'm no mod player but I hear that corruption cards is good :^)

[cosmic pagoda]

as far as mods go, bloom was epic

altho I prefer vanilla otherwise

[halcyon willow]

try supercharge

Paradise is the full wad that it was designed for but Supercharge is a standalone mod. it was also built into other mapsets like Technicolour Antichrist Box and Mapwich 2

[finite crag]

Hi

I'm Brazilian and I really like doom, especially mods

[grizzled swan]

No

[tacit remnant]

I think the cacos are neat but nothing special. Modern Doom cacos are downright nasty

[pearl osprey]

cacos r cute

[hexed escarp]

i just beat knee deep in the dead for the first time

it was really fun

[azure nimbus]

it is interesting how famous cacos got despite being, like decino says, a flying imp.

[tacit remnant]

They’re very distinct visually

Also a lot of people consider them cute

[royal heron]

You can also look at a walkthrough for help

no shame in that

[hexed escarp]

Ok

[hexed escarp]

is e1m8 the last map of e1?

[hexed escarp]

ah i see

is there any way i can keep the stuff i had from episode 1 going into episode 2?

oh ok

[tacit remnant]

Yeah each new episode is a clean slate

[hexed escarp]

bruh the moving walls in e2m2 are so annoying

[dapper flint]

Cacos are definitely special in clouds or large groups. 2 or 3 sure I'd agree with you. 10 and more .. not so much

[dapper flint]

When they're used right. Blocking your movement large waves of energy balls stopping you from strafing to one side in a huge fight. It all depends on implementation. Imps however can be in huge numbers and I get a giant smile

Shooting a rocket into a giant imp formation is just

[grizzled swan]

U managed to not die for the entirety of chapter one? I died every level and had to redo it with a pistol lol

[tacit remnant]

You can save at the beginning of the level and reload to keep your stuff

[azure nimbus]

oh for sure they can be moved right. But they were never used like that in vanilla where they got their notoriety

[dapper flint]

Blocking? Episode 4 map 2 maybe. But the majority of the time definitely not

Map 29 definitely

Doom 2

[tacit remnant]

Does anyone know how cacodemons got their name?

[waxen saffron]

Caca

[dapper flint]

Right when you get the souls sphere

https://imgur.com/a/gXnOSBE

@tacit remnant

[tacit remnant]

There we go

[hexed escarp]

no

i never said that, i just got some stuff in the last couple of levels

[tacit remnant]

That’s surprisingly straightforward of a naming convention

[dapper flint]

https://imgur.com/a/RMvSuca

The design was based off of dnd though

[tacit remnant]

Though the pinky is referred to as simply “demon” in the first few Doom titles so the naming tends to be very on the nose

[dapper flint]

This one's called a astral dreadnought

[tacit remnant]

Yeah I can see it in the face

[halcyon willow]

i see you are a man of culture as well

[dapper flint]

I think I might like it more than the archie and cyber death sound

[halcyon willow]

i'm very partial to killing an arachnotron with the SSG. super crisp sounds

[dusk dagger]

I really prefer that to killing with rockets for the same reason

[dapper flint]

Ohhh the arach death is perfect too

[dusk dagger]

I've had the lucky situation where the Archie's pain chance is strangely present in all four shots

[finite crag]

I implemented sr 50 after the first door tho

[royal heron]

I think you may need to SR50 the entire way through if you wish to get that 8

Since there are no monsters, movement is your only limiter which is based on skill

[finite crag]

how do i move my mouse perfectly so i can sr50 through the piller without hitting them?

i can only get that 1 in 50 attempts, its so precise

[royal heron]

It certainly is...

Lemme see what I can do though

Geez hitting even an 8 in slowed downed time in dsda-doom is hard, I can't even get near an 8

I think for an 8 you need a sub 2 first door

yeah I think percy gets to first door at 1.97

second door, 6.23

last door 7.91 or 7.94

[finite crag]

thanks

[royal heron]

and the switch press is frame perfect

[finite crag]

https://youtu.be/J7_08S52vSU

i just got a .46

with a shitty start lmfao

[royal heron]

frame perfect switch press is something you'll have to master and grind for

[finite crag]

my switch press is shit rn XD

[royal heron]

yeah switch press is hard, although aconfusedhuman could probably give you some tips

you have pretty big potential for a UV-Speed 9 on E1M1

[finite crag]

i already got a 9

im working my way to 8 nomo

[royal heron]

I think for the switch press, aconfusedhuman said to save right before last door, and then practice pressing the switch

[royal heron]

on ultra-violence? That's nice

[finite crag]

i started doom 2-3 weeks ago, im making good progress 😄

[finite crag]

yea

how hard is nm 9?

[royal heron]

not that much harder maybe, but I'm not sure as I've never tried it since I gave up after I got a 9.91

E1M1 is just a horrible rng infested run

and confused can certainly agree with that statement

[finite crag]

lol

[royal heron]

I think lowball it took around 1 year and 30k attempts to get an 8

[finite crag]

0_0

it crazy to think that 7 is even possible by a tas

why was pilgers 9 so praised upon? its not even that hard to tie it

[royal heron]

because it was the first for it's time

pilger got the first 9 on E1M1

obviously not too impressive by today's standards, but it was the OG run

if you have any questions I think you can also ask on teh doom speedrunning discord where all the doom speedrunning gurus hang out

depr4v and looper helped confused with the techniques on getting a nomo 8

[finite crag]

send link

nvm found the chat

[royal heron]

you mean the link for the discord?

[rapid kraken]

is there a doom meme channel?

[dapper flint]

[dull snow]

nah

[slim willow]

yeah, you got to hit a weird button that says "leave server" to get to it

[cosmic pagoda]

that gib sound 👌🏼

[sick grail]

Mhmm unf

[civic seal]

[sick grail]

[prime lava]

LOL finally a newcomer who says this

[torn pivot]

Psx Doom: Sigil - Baphomet's Demesne (100%) Ultra Violence (PsyDoom)
https://youtu.be/rTLAak0BHFw

[finite crag]

Ah, classic Doom. It was great playing it on my Twitch channel while live streaming. It'll be forever a part of my collection.

[cosmic pagoda]

Is there another way?

Objectively one of the best games ever made

Evidenced by its longevity

[finite crag]

Fuck yes. I agree.

[fast mortar]

5 decades can pass and people will still be making doom megawads, that's how eternal this franchise is

[dapper flint]

It is the best game and best series ever made. Period

[cosmic pagoda]

we're more than halfway there

[dapper flint]

Really suits sigil. It's pronounced BAH -FOE- METS

[fast mortar]

damn straight

[vivid vine]

And demesne is said almost the same as domain and means about the same thing.

It's a little more specific in use

[hexed escarp]

ok, im playing chocolate doom with the doom and doom2 wads both in the folder

how would i go about launching doom 1

i know the warp thing exists but what if i just want to launch to the doom 1 title screen

do i have to remove the doom2 wad

[grizzled swan]

I got to the cyberdemon level and jesus its hard, i only have my pistol and my rocket launcher as i keep dying, any tips? Ik he takes less damage from rockets but how much less?

[tacit remnant]

Drag the Doom 1 WAD on to the Chocolate Doom icon and it should run it

[hexed escarp]

oh ok

[dapper flint]

Pro tip https://imgur.com/a/WDIiYp6

@grizzled swan

[dapper flint]

It's immune to splash damage. So direct hits are a must

[royal heron]

Run around him

And shoot at him until he dies

And make sure the rockets connect

Because he's immune to splash damage

[grizzled swan]

Interesting, thanks for the tips, ill give them a go

[royal heron]

Embers of Armageddon is a good mod, as well as Abort if you want a joke mod that's also kinda shitpost-ey but also super funny, and corruption cards is another good one

[tacit remnant]

How does Reelism work? I heard something about it being a randomizer but I heard nothing about how to install it or what it does exactly

[echo tartan]

I'll be happy for some recommendations of maps for doom/doom 2 that are mostly open unlike most of the maps

I'm not a fan of small corridors

titan manor for example, really love that map

[hidden birch]

Classic doom is so cool, I need to finish doom 2

[royal heron]

It requires a special sourceport(Eternity Engine), but Heartland is a good wad

[thick dagger]

first slot: game effects (stuff like speed or flying enemies)
second slot: weapon type(eplosive, shotguns, etc)
third slot: enemy types (imps, giant unkillable pinkies that one shot you, the usual stuff)
each round (60 seconds) the slots reroll

[royal heron]

I suppose... BTSX could also be a good one as well

[thick dagger]

in classic mode, surviving for 5 rounds a boss will spawn, all weapons can spawn, and no special effects apper
oh and no extra enemies spawn too

[grizzled swan]

Thanks for the help with cyber demon, it worked

[thick dagger]

i tried corruption cards,its pretty fun

[grizzled swan]

Is thy flesh consumed cannon?

[royal heron]

Yep

I recommend starting it on Hurt Me Plenty for new players though, or even Hey, Not Too Rough if you're not confident with FPS

The difference between Ultra-Violence and Hurt Me Plenty is pretty big

[grizzled swan]

I see

Ill give it a go, but if its as hard as its said to be, ill probably end up giving up lol

Also what levels is the bfg in?

[royal heron]

You don't get one until E4M6 if I remember correctly...

[grizzled swan]

Ok

[royal heron]

Nope i forgot because my memory is faulty

You can get one at E4M2

[grizzled swan]

I see

[royal heron]

That's the actual first one

There is also a cheat to grab the BFG early but unless you really want to know it then I won't show it

[grizzled swan]

Nah i dont want it, maybe after i beat the game

[molten iron]

Bonk your head into the wall

[royal heron]

You will after playing Thy Flesh Consumed for the first time on Ultra-Violence

[cosmic pagoda]

dont stop at doom2 tho, plutonia is worth a try as well

imo the best iwad

[cosmic pagoda]

thats... oof

the worst part about it: you get put to your place with the first 2 maps

[hidden birch]

I won't stop at doom 2 so don't worry

[dusky heron]

I return for my surprise doom wad request. Any recommendations?

[royal heron]

What have you played?

[vital knoll]

Eviternity is quite epic

[vital knoll]

PS2 Quake Reborn is also pretty cool

[undone scroll]

hi

[dusky heron]

I have played quite a lot. I already am attempting Eviternity, UAC Ultra is my favourite. I need somethnig fun

[vital knoll]

Sunlust

Plutonia 2

Back to Saturn X

[vital knoll]

Tangerine Nightmare

[dapper flint]

Eviternity is pretty damn beautiful. Love tangerines combat a but more though

[vital knoll]

Yeah eviternity is pretty much a masterpiece, aside from that one map that takes literally an hour and a half on average

[dapper flint]

Map 19 was definitely a slog. Map 32 is also long but does it very well when it comes to design and pacing

[dusky seal]

Do any demons drop rpg ammo? Sorry for disrupting the conversation.

[dapper flint]

Nope

[dusky seal]

Dang I recently started doom '93 and that ruins my strat to ruin every pink's day with the rpg

[tacit remnant]

Shotgun

Rockets are good if used sparingly, but shotgun shells are more readily available

[echo tartan]

thanks

[stark grove]

i just finished the 3 episodes of doom 1 in nightmare difficulty and i wanna die

[hushed vault]

Groovy.

[finite crag]

hmm question although im sure this one has been asked ten thousand times

which version of the classic doom do y'all think is the best?
looking forward to experiencing the classic game once again so asking here seems like an epic idea

[stark grove]

if you want a modern classic doom, play with gzdoom

if you want good ol' crispy play on dosbox but it's shit so play on chocolate doom

[finite crag]

sounds good
thanks for the response king 😎

[vivid vine]

Crispy Doom

Has more options than Chocolate

[dapper flint]

https://youtu.be/iI9Ak3bzjB0

[tacit remnant]

I always end up burning a bunch of ammo to kill Pain Elementals. Is there a trick to kill them more efficiently?

[azure nimbus]

go right up to them and they won't be able to spawn lost souls. Other than that, they're high priority targets that you want to prevent from attacking as much as possible by avoiding LoS and keeping distane

[royal heron]

^

[azure nimbus]

The hardest pain elemental section that I've ever done is map14 of MSCP and map 10 of Tangerine Nightmare. For mscp, the best I could do was keep large distance to reduce the frequency of their attacks(that's how the AI works. more distance-> less attack) and strafe hard so that a lost soul wouldn't slam into my rocket. And for TN, my strategy was to target them as high priority targets in the last fight while keeping even higher priority to avoiding LoS so that they cannot shoot. When the cybers show up, I used ssg just to move around and couldn't use rockets cuz it got too tight

[dapper flint]

I tend to like using either the plasma or chaingun for the stun

[tacit remnant]

In Doom 2 map10 I pulled the BFG on a Pain Elemental duo and some imps because I was just that done with their nonsense. I hate them as I also hate Lost Souls. Oddly enough I don’t mind Archviles half as much (I haven’t played much Plutonia though)

But yeah I love some chaingun/plasma stunlock, and it didn’t occur to me that standing right in front of one would block spawns

[undone scroll]

maybe your iwad has a fixed version for that,or a pwad

[limber mirage]

@finite crag this chat would have better wad answers

[brisk hemlock]

[grizzled swan]

Whats u guys favourite doom 1 level and why?

[past field]

doom 1 E1M8. really fun.

[grizzled swan]

I enjoyed that one, the music was awesome too

[finite crag]

thanks

so, if you ever played Temple Of The Lizardmen 1, then pls answer how did you complete level 4. I am playing on hell difficulty and I cannot pass this level because there are too many gargouiles and I run out of ammo every time.

[past field]

doom 2 MAP07 would be a really great map for deathmatch

[vast reef]

dsda doom

[finite crag]

ok so I used cheats to finish this level

[vital knoll]

Fists

[finite crag]

impossible

there are a lot of gargouiles that keep spawning and spawning and they will kill u very fast

[dapper flint]

Depends if you want the original experience or a modded one

[limpid zinc]

Crispy doom is my personal favorite source port because it’s faithful to the original with a couple of QOL improvements like slightly higher render resolution as an option

[torn pivot]

Couldn’t agree more

[dapper flint]

I use a controller in which case gz is the best option. Other ports like eternity and woof haven't quite nailed it. Which is okay since there's probably only 3 of us outthere lol

[carmine elk]

hello

[azure nimbus]

GZdoom looks goofy to me and I don't like the lack of true vanilla/boom/mbf compat and never bothered to change the renderer to be more vanilla. That's my endorsement of woof over gz

[dapper flint]

You can adjust all that in gz. Never understood the look thing. Guess all the options are confusing for some though

[azure nimbus]

it doesn't get true vanilla compat no? Even on strict there are some things that differ

[dapper flint]

Only complaint i have is the lost souls counting. Other than that I doubt many people could tell what source port I'm using between eternity and gz other than the obvious mods

If I wanted to I could make gz look like game boy advance doom

[tacit remnant]

I use Crispy Doom these days

[zenith berry]

Russian Doom is yet another good source port.

It has support for all Doom engine games, including the press release beta and even a recreation of the Atari Jaguar version.