#classic-doom
smoky anvil
How?
finite crag
demon don't really do this or look like that but I prefer it
finite crag
How?
seeing devil symbols makes me nervous
it can do something I just forgot what
and also I'm being haunted by a real démon
red harbor
You see your first mistake was playing Brutal Doom
smoky anvil
Agreed
finite crag
You see your first mistake was playing Brutal Doom
why
smoky anvil
Start with unmodded classic doom
finite crag
they add new demons
red harbor
Start with unmodded classic doom
Any demo-compatible port will do the job just fine
finite crag
Start with unmodded classic doom
I did on my Xbox then I did gz doom now I'm doing project brutality
red harbor
Id personally recommend Nyan Doom or Nugget Doom though
red harbor
Id personally recommend Nyan Doom or Nugget Doom though
Nyan Doom if you want Hardware Rendering, Nugget Doom if you want new mapping formats sooner than most other ports
smoky anvil
try the WAD Valiant out
red harbor
I want new demons I play doom FOR DEMONS
Tons of PWADs add new monsters
finite crag
brutal doom has red pinky with horns and black pinky with one red eye
red harbor
Tons of PWADs add new monsters
Realm667 has an entire page dedicated to custom monsters available for anyone to use
finite crag
do they replace the old ones
red harbor
do they replace the old ones
Not to my knowledge
finite crag
I want them both
red harbor
You could probably have them replace the classic monsters if you want
Not sure if you need ZDoom magic for that though
finite crag
I get more time to see stuff
smoky anvil
jk lol doom 64 slaps
finite crag
I can't see what démon I'm killing if there's 60 on the screen and I'm flying around blowing stuff up
finite crag
jk lol doom 64 slaps
imagine someone break dancing to its soundtrack
they will look insane
charred salmon
Doom 64 is my favorite og doom game
smoky anvil
I can't see what démon I'm killing if there's 60 on the screen and I'm flying ar...
we are very different, i love those huge fast paced fights
finite crag
we are very different, i love those huge fast paced fights
me too too sometimes
but I am in scary phase
charred salmon
but I am in scary phase
Real
umbral shale
About the first three doom games
I got you
umbral shale
I ain't animating 10 archviles
charred salmon
I ain't animating 10 archviles
Yuh huh
finite crag
🙁
umbral shale
Seriously tho
finite crag
what about sigul
finite crag
what about
finite crag
I don't know how to spell it
umbral shale
Replace the u with i
finite crag
but its part of doom 1
charred salmon
You mean sigil
charred salmon
@umbral shale you should draw the new cyberdemon design
finite crag
you should draw a IMP
umbral shale
That is one of the things I'm excited about
finite crag
I'm a imp
finite crag
umbral shale
<@774396278451863612> you should draw the new cyberdemon design
I'm doing the classic doom design
charred salmon
They think they are cool that’s why @finite crag
charred salmon
I'm doing the classic doom design
Oke
finite crag
I identify as a imp gender
finite crag
are imps boys
charred salmon
This you?
charred salmon
Shoot
finite crag
( ￣-￣)
finite crag
Keep it pgish
I'm 13 and I don't careee
charred salmon
I'm 13 and I don't careee
Same
umbral shale
Alr nvm
finite crag
we aren't children
finite crag
I thought I was the only 13 year old that liked doom O.o
charred salmon
My bad
smoky anvil
kids these days smh
charred salmon
I thought I was the only 13 year old that liked doom O.o
I played it since I was 6
finite crag
wa
charred salmon
Doom
charred salmon
kids these days smh
Nah
finite crag
my first one was doom 2016
finite crag
I only recently got a gaming pc
and I literally only play 1990s games and early 2000's
my pc has it easy
finite crag
I'll get it on ps5
charred salmon
What’s your PlayStation username I’ll add you
finite crag
I don't have a account yet...
charred salmon
Once you get a new one let me know your username
finite crag
yeee
charred salmon
Yea
red harbor
what about sigul
sigil despite being official is still an expansion
its the same reason why no rest for the living or legacy of rust wouldnt be included
finite crag
impossible
red harbor
I thought I was the only 13 year old that liked doom O.o
does 14 count-
red harbor
impossible
alas, it is
finite crag
does 14 count-
old man
finite crag
wrinkly old ancient Egypt
charred salmon
does 14 count-
Yeah
smoky anvil
god i feel old
clear willow
Same
finite crag
I got someone's account banned by reporting someone saying they were 3 out of curiosity
charred salmon
Did you report me?
finite crag
and discord email me saying thanks for reporting we delt with it
finite crag
Did you report me?
NO YOU MY BUDDY
charred salmon
NO YOU MY BUDDY
Thanks
finite crag
ew
umbral shale
I got someone's account banned by reporting someone saying they were 3 out of cu...
Is that towards me lol
charred salmon
Was it?
charred salmon
No you would’ve been banned
charred salmon
Idk
charred salmon
Did he get banned tho
finite crag
other people might do it though
charred salmon
The person you reported?
finite crag
Did he get banned tho
who
umbral shale
Who would be that shallow
finite crag
The person you reported?
yes AND SO DID I WHEN I SAID SOMETHING LIKE THAT
charred salmon
Oh damn
finite crag
so be careful I don't wanna lose youu
meager needle
I just tried Classic Doom for the first time, its pretty fun
finite crag
after all we been through
charred salmon
I reported someone for s3xual behavior and they didn’t get banned
Let’s chat in general chat
finite crag
discord care more about people saying they 3
umbral shale
I just tried Classic Doom for the first time, its pretty fun
Yeah all doom games give you a feeling of fun
finite crag
no
tribal cairn
Is doom and final doom on ps1 the best versions of those games or is the ports to next gen best
finite crag
from what I know final doom on ps1 was a cashgrab
vast reef
Is doom and final doom on ps1 the best versions of those games or is the ports t...
psx doom is regarded as like, a different special version still worth playing but not definitive
red harbor
Is doom and final doom on ps1 the best versions of those games or is the ports t...
PSX Doom is a great version (not the Final Doom port though)
tribal cairn
Appreciate you!
charred salmon
I KUST DOWNLOADED A SIMPSONS MOD IN DOOM I I SWEAR ITS PEAK
smoky anvil
theres a mario one its pretty cool
finite crag
have any of the original Id members mentioned whatever weapon_unknown_b_0.png was?
haughty mortar
smoky anvil
icy umbra
smoky anvil
finite crag
why
smoky anvil
why not
icy umbra
The Good
smoky anvil
ruby crater
finite crag
I miss the old ones
they are more smooth
and bare I guess they had to evolve and grow hard skin and armour
icy umbra
finite crag
these fuckers
cute
icy umbra
these fuckers
Fr
sand obsidian
I Find Monster Condo And Spirit World on nightmare Fun
The living end is ass
Also Fuck the Pain Elementals Bro, Actual Cancer
smoky anvil
The living end is ass
yes
vale gyro
Also Fuck the Pain Elementals Bro, Actual Cancer
You can basically nullify them in most cases
Just hug ‘em
sand obsidian
yes
Especially when you go to activate the switches to get to the final part, I swear my luck with revenants are the worse...
vale gyro
They got arms for a reason
sand obsidian
Also Barrels O Fun is Shit
Just the first part tho
After when you get into the outside area, it's good
This is from a Nightmare perspective btw
smoky anvil
even just regular play i agree that its shit
vale gyro
Can’t remember Barrels O Fun that much, but I probably disliked it as well
sand obsidian
I Respect the gimmick but fucking hell, Its a Absolute nightmare trying to get through the start without dying on nightmare
If that megasphere wasn't a thing, I don't think i could go do the level without dying because of low health
For some reason, I actually Enjoy Playing the Chasm
I don't hate the ledges to be honest, I don't really fall of them, even when running
The Spirit World is Fun as Fuck to Play
Monster Condo Is Another Great Map
azure nimbus
Monster Condo Is Another Great Map
Sandy postings dubs
red harbor
https://tenor.com/view/archvile-intro-doom-eternal-demon-gif-16987418
screw you. walks behind a wall
finite crag
especially on D64 for me
Reinforced my belief that Lost souls should be called Ass souls
red harbor
Reinforced my belief that Lost souls should be called Ass souls
lost souls arent too bad in D64. yeah theyre more aggressive but at least one good shotgun blast puts them down
finite crag
true
I still don't like them tho, more than I dislike them in other games
and doom 64 is the classic doom I enjoy most
red harbor
I still don't like them tho, more than I dislike them in other games
fair, theyve always been a thorn in the community's side
pain elementals especially
finite crag
they don't even look funny anymore
In other games they're spoopy bastards, in DOOM 64 they look like abombinations with a 'no fun allowed'-vibe
red harbor
In other games they're spoopy bastards, in DOOM 64 they look like abombinations ...
yeah
tropic heath
Bit of a long shot any DOOMII veterans wanna help me platinum the game I'm struggling with nightmare co op 🏆
whole crown
Bit of a long shot any DOOMII veterans wanna help me platinum the game I'm strug...
Dang man.
Wish I could help.
Hope everything goes well.
tropic heath
After tricks and traps
whole crown
It requires skill and precision tbh.
I died two times in it.
Anyways, I'm currently working out so bye! Hope you cook them all.
finite crag
use God mode
vale gyro
use God mode
IDDQD is for losers. Unbugged IDCHOPPERS is the best.
finite crag
IDDQD is for losers. Unbugged IDCHOPPERS is the best.
💔
I play every level with it
for almost 2 years
vale gyro
IDDQD is for losers. Unbugged IDCHOPPERS is the best.
Still sad no source port ever decided to fix IDCHOPPERS btw
twin mortar
...doesn't suck
twin mortar
for almost 2 years
If you've been playing for 2 years why do you still need godmode my man
vale gyro
...doesn't suck
Shut up lmao
finite crag
If you've been playing for 2 years why do you still need godmode my man
because I don't die
duh
twin mortar
Peculiar answer because that tells me nothing
finite crag
the only games I play with out god mode is doom 3 up too eternal and 2016
twin mortar
Maybe time to try without it
finite crag
Maybe time to try without it
I did its scary
twin mortar
If you've been using it for 2 years you're gonna become entitled to it and that's not a good gaming experience!
finite quail
I don’t know why Doom repeats the same tracks, but like it’s always the slow ones
Kitchen ace is only played one time during the entire game
finite crag
wa
twin mortar
Untitled is fire too, wish it could be used more
It's only in E3M1 and E3M9
Most people only play E3M1 so they only hear it once throughout the entire game in one of the shortest levels of it
finite quail
It's only in E3M1 and E3M9
Yeah definitely
Deep in the code is used twice in the ultimate doom
finite crag
Most people only play E3M1 so they only hear it once throughout the entire game ...
why
twin mortar
Why what
twin mortar
Deep in the code is used twice in the ultimate doom
I'd like to see Sign of Evil used more. Pretty sure it also plays in the final level though so there's that at least
Wait no it uses Demons on the Prey
finite quail
Suspense is played wayyyy too many times
I kinda hate it
Sinister is kind of a better version of suspense and same for demons on the prey
twin mortar
At least the Wolfenstein levels in DOOM II play remixed Wolfenstein 3D tracks, that's pretty neat
finite quail
I mean yeah
But in the ultimate doom they have so many good songs that they could replay instead they replay suspense a billion times and it kills the vibe a little bit
Like it makes it feel slow
twin mortar
Wolfenstein 3D has even less variety due to having less tracks and wayy more levels
The Ultimate DOOM has, excluding the secret levels, 32 maps. Wolfenstein 3D has 54
Though there's one Wolfenstein 3D track that is played often that is really relaxing so I don't mind it
finite quail
Wolfenstein I’ll give it a pass because it’s like the first of its kind
twin mortar
Oh yeah it was the first fully proper FPS game, and not just a tech demo
finite quail
Though there's one Wolfenstein 3D track that is played often that is really rela...
wolfenstein doesn’t have that same vibe a doom I don’t think it affects that game that much
I mean if they’re gonna replay suspense so many times why not replace them with other songs that are way better?
twin mortar
I guess suspense is just the most universal track
Love it or hate it, it captures a pretty good feel on what DOOM is
It fits in with a lot of levels, I'd like more variety but I can't blame them
finite quail
It fits in with a lot of levels, I'd like more variety but I can't blame them
It fits some levels but others it does not fit at all some levels needed high energy music
finite crag
doom 2 just looks boring
twin mortar
I didn't even remember it used that much tbh, probably because I speed through the game too much to hear
vale gyro
doom 2 just looks boring
It’s alright
I’m personally not a fan of the levels, but others find them alright
twin mortar
Eddie how many DOOM games have you played
finite crag
Eddie how many DOOM games have you played
all
twin mortar
How about just a list, because there's a lot that went delisted when you were like a few months old
finite crag
what
umbral shale
Doom 2 is boring?
finite crag
the looks
umbral shale
Yeah like Nirvana
vale gyro
What Doom 2 brings to mappers is why it’s so well regarded
umbral shale
It has a special place, I think it's better than doom 1
twin mortar
I never really got the DOOM II hate tbh
umbral shale
Ik
finite crag
doom 4
twin mortar
The level design is a lot wonkier yeah but that leads to some departures that make a lot of levels memorable
umbral shale
And more fun to traverse
red harbor
It has a special place, I think it's better than doom 1
Doom 1 has better levels, Doom 2 has better weapons and monsters (mainly because they added more)
twin mortar
That one level where you have to cross a pit of acid is written into my memory unlike anything else
umbral shale
Doom 1 has better levels, Doom 2 has better weapons and monsters (mainly because...
Yes that's true
finite crag
Doom 1 has better levels, Doom 2 has better weapons and monsters (mainly because...
SPOOKY SCARY MONSTERS?
OR EVIL DEMONIC ENTITY'S
smoky anvil
for almost 2 years
2 years of god mode is wild
twin mortar
I don't wanna be rude but that is a tremendous skill issue gotta be honest
finite crag
2 years of god mode is wild
I been playing for 2 years
I was 11
when I started it was hard
umbral shale
Do you play with godmode now?
finite crag
yess
umbral shale
I mean
Part of the experience is trying to survive off of pickups
And resource management
Otherwise it's boring
twin mortar
Part of the experience is the possibility to die
umbral shale
Exactly
finite crag
not too me
twin mortar
I'd say you are severely gimping your experience by making yourself immortal, all challenge is void
finite crag
THE CHALLENGE OF DOOM IS FINDING WHERE TO GO
twin mortar
not too me
No this isn't a subjective thing my guy, an integral part of most video games is the ability to lose it's basic progression
twin mortar
THE CHALLENGE OF DOOM IS FINDING WHERE TO GO
If you've been playing for 2 years you already did that :p
umbral shale
THE CHALLENGE OF DOOM IS FINDING WHERE TO GO
I mean not really
finite crag
yee but I don't remember maps
coarse igloo
Suspense is played wayyyy too many times
would be cool if every map wouldve had its own music and no recycle^^
umbral shale
yee but I don't remember maps
Do you only play doom 1?
vale gyro
THE CHALLENGE OF DOOM IS FINDING WHERE TO GO
Nah. Most of it (at least when talking about custom maps) are the combat puzzles.
finite crag
Do you only play doom 1?
noo
twin mortar
would be cool if every map wouldve had its own music and no recycle^^
Except make the last level play At Doom's Gate too
finite crag
DOOMON
umbral shale
Have any you played doom zero
vale gyro
Honestly, I just came up with a weird meaning if that track played at both the start and end
finite crag
Have any you played doom zero
yee
coarse igloo
Also Fuck the Pain Elementals Bro, Actual Cancer
They dont even work
Needs big enough compat preset / compat level that they do even work. because otherwise theyre broken on many maps due to the stupid 21 lost soul limit
finite crag
They dont even work
Needs big enough compat preset / compat level that they do e...
you buff
vale gyro
You’re initially at the Gate because you’re entering it, at the end you’re only there to clean up what’s retreated and leave.
finite crag
What about legacy of rust
no
finite crag
if I want music I just go on YouTube
vale gyro
Probably obvious as hell, but whatever
twin mortar
NRFTL is the original LoR
finite crag
yep I want them to work. a monster doing nothing is bullshit 😄
hide under kids beds and closets duh
coarse igloo
I also kill every single lost soul on mount pain
umbral shale
if I want music I just go on YouTube
But you said that doom 2 music is boring, so I assumed that music was a driving factor of part of the experience for you?
finite crag
But you said that doom 2 music is boring, so I assumed that music was a driving ...
the first one my favourite
twin mortar
The fact they're using godmode for 2 years should tell you they don't care about the experience 
umbral shale
Yup
finite crag
The fact they're using godmode for 2 years should tell you they don't care about...
I care about demons only and maps
I don't care about weapons
twin mortar
What do weapons have to do with this
umbral shale
Well legacy of rust looks beautiful
finite crag
What do weapons have to do with this
experience
umbral shale
And has neat demons
finite crag
And has neat demons
🫰😏
umbral shale
What does that mean
umbral shale
Yeah there's like 500 in the second to last level in the second episode
umbral shale
Have fun using the calamity blade
finite crag
is there lore
umbral shale
Yes there is text I guess
finite crag
how do hell knights become Barons
tropic heath
Anybody a doom 2 god in here ?
finite crag
do they get baptized in blood
finite crag
Anybody a doom 2 god in here ?
mme
umbral shale
God mode doesn't count
finite crag
😒
twin mortar
I don't think godlike skill is developed from cheating
twin mortar
You can play on any difficulty I just advise you to turn off godmode and try to play the game normally
finite crag
I will try
umbral shale
Try hurt me plenty
tropic heath
mme
I'm trying to obtain the trophy when I'm with you on DOOMII but I'm stuck on The PIT I simply carnt do it
umbral shale
It's a good balance if you're starting
finite crag
but I don't know how to dodge bullets
twin mortar
Or just strafe
umbral shale
I would play the classic experience
Unless you prefer brutal doom
Which is fine
Just don't use god mode
twin mortar
You'll never get over challenges if you cheat your way through them my guy
vale gyro
This ^
umbral shale
if something is too hard can I use it
Just try man, it would've been two yrs since you played normally
finite crag
I started with godmode
tropic heath
Anybody got the platinum trophy for doom 2 ?
coarse igloo
brutal doom is tougher at zombies
finite crag
I saw it in options in my Xbox port
umbral shale
I started with godmode
Wait so how do you know it's hard.
umbral shale
On what difficulty?
finite crag
seeing 500 imp balls and I think I can't do that
umbral shale
Did you watch nuts.wad or smt
umbral shale
Decino?
finite crag
ya
umbral shale
Alright
vale gyro
He plays harder maps, Eddie
coarse igloo
watch also coincidente - just as good 🙂
vale gyro
Base game isn’t that hard
finite crag
why it mock me
vale gyro
watch also coincidente - just as good 🙂
I do vouch for this
coarse igloo
and coin again tries to UV Max okuplok 😄
umbral shale
why it mock me
It's a videogame
finite crag
I play wolfenstein on can I play daddy
umbral shale
That's fine
coarse igloo
I did too, you got the better score on that difficulty 😄
smoky anvil
Have any you played doom zero
Very fun
coarse igloo
because on high difficulty the map time is too long, but being fast does bring the biggest score 😄
finite crag
why are all ID games killing evil stuff
we got killing demons and killing Nazi's we need something else
SOVIETS
finite crag
soviet wolfenstein
coarse igloo
I want to kill dinosaurs like turok with over the top guns like turok in a modern UE5 game, and not open world, wide linear like gow would be ok though 😄
finite crag
I want to kill dinosaurs like turok with over the top guns like turok in a moder...
they not evil
twin mortar
We got demons and post-apocalyptic factions, Eldritch monsters, a lot more than just demons and Nazis
finite crag
We got demons and post-apocalyptic factions, Eldritch monsters, a lot more than ...
we need customer support
they evil
twin mortar
What did customer support do to you man it's a fantastic service
coarse igloo
I need a new GPU, the 2080 ti is too slow
finite crag
What did customer support do to you man it's a fantastic service
it's XBOX SUPPORT MY LEGO SET SUPPORT AND CA SUPPORT AND ANOTHER COMPANY
coarse igloo
but the 5000 cards are so weird 😦
twin mortar
Customer support as a whole is great, Valve helped me get my Steam account back after I fell to an admittedly obvious scam a few years back
smoky anvil
I loved the witch theme, now I can play with friends online so that's a W
Pistol started the entire thing on UV and i can say the thing that almost kills it for me is too many barons and not enough shells and rockets, but it more than makes up for that with very cool levels with neat stuff in them
finite crag
umbral shale
Pistol started the entire thing on UV and i can say the thing that almost kills ...
Yeah especially the puzzle aspects, it's very tightly knitten
finite crag
Yeah especially the puzzle aspects, it's very tightly knitten
kitten?
umbral shale
No like woven together
finite crag
One v one me on doom we will see who stronger I'll use godmode
umbral shale
Huh
twin mortar
Guys fight me but I'm immortal, this is a fair fight
umbral shale
I wonder what'll happen
finite crag
Guys fight me but I'm immortal, this is a fair fight
skill issue
umbral shale
Damn you got him
twin mortar
I have no possible counterargument, I lose
umbral shale
What an astute individual
finite crag
immortal noob vs skilled mortal
smoky anvil
Yeah especially the puzzle aspects, it's very tightly knitten
Oh yea the puzzles are tricky
umbral shale
If you want phsycological warfare
Play the coiled city in legacy of rust with pistol start
umbral shale
twin mortar
Gentlemen, that's our cue to leave
finite crag
on nightmare difficulty
umbral shale
Gentlemen, that's our cue to leave
Yup
finite crag
I win
smoky anvil
You lose by default, god mode user
finite crag
You lose by default, god mode user
nooooo
you just jealous God gives me power
or is that a sin too say
umbral shale
You're fine dude
umbral shale
Sweet
finite crag
besides jumping to skip stuff
umbral shale
Now we're getting somewhere
twin mortar
besides jumping to skip stuff
Try without any form of skipping my guy, just try to enjoy your time
umbral shale
What temu doom do you play
smoky anvil
When did they add jumping to doom?
twin mortar
Please tell me you at least have texture filtering off
finite crag
Please tell me you at least have texture filtering off
what's that
twin mortar
It blurs the pixels together
twin mortar
Open up the game and send us a screenshot
finite crag
I don't know
umbral shale
He probably plays with gzdoom or something
finite crag
He probably plays with gzdoom or something
I JUST SAID I DO
twin mortar
I don't know
You can send screenshots in #screenshots
finite crag
You can send screenshots in <#832527939153297448>
I don't have doom on my phone
twin mortar
You can send it on PC then
finite crag
I don't have discord on my pc
twin mortar
You can upload it to your Google Drive or OneDrive then...
finite crag
can I take a picture of my screen with my phone
finite crag
You can upload it to your Google Drive or OneDrive then...
I don't know if I have that
twin mortar
can I take a picture of my screen with my phone
Yeah
finite crag
yyeee
vale gyro
I’m a minority, but I really don’t like GZDoom as a source port
red harbor
I’m a minority, but I really don’t like GZDoom as a *source port*
Same, it's basically an entire game engine that happens to also run Doom
twin mortar
The thing you're using
finite crag
The thing you're using
I using brutal doom
twin mortar
Yes send us a screenshot, I'm curious if you have texture filtering on
twin mortar
I’m a minority, but I really don’t like GZDoom as a *source port*
I think it's the most universal one due to how much it offers and the diverse gameplay styles you can unleash with it, but personally I'll just stick to DOSBox, Unity and KEX
Whenever you want to, but right now works too
finite crag
get a 1990s pc and buy it
halcyon willow
Same, it's basically an entire game engine that happens to also run Doom
All source ports are game engines
Or can be if you believe hard enough. Rekkr was released as a commercial game on Cripsy iirc
vale gyro
Or can be if you believe hard enough. Rekkr was released as a commercial game on...
I thought it used GZ for its release?
halcyon willow
GZDoom is still used for doom by far the majority of the time
twin mortar
REKKR on Steam uses GZ
halcyon willow
Pretty sure the initial stand alone release was vanilla prior to steam
finite crag
why is doom 3 dead on this server
halcyon willow
But in any case, point still stands
finite crag
this outrageous
vale gyro
I’m a minority, but I really don’t like GZDoom as a *source port*
But also, don’t take what I said as an insult towards GZ, I’m just saying that with my own opinions on how I like to play
halcyon willow
Good thing there are many source ports to cater to what people enjoy
twin mortar
I'm pretty sure with that statement Nuze meant an entirely different engine, or at least one that's mostly changed from the original source code
halcyon willow
That's all source ports to one degree or another
Doom.exe is a game engine
They're all game engines
twin mortar
Right, but some are closer to the original source code dump while others aren't, like for example GZ
halcyon willow
People didn't start claiming GZDoom was a game engine until like 2 years ago. Because people started releasing more games using GZDoom. Nothing fundamentally changed from beore that, it's all perception
halcyon willow
Right, but some are closer to the original source code dump while others aren't,...
Ship of Theseus
vale gyro
That's all source ports to one degree or another
Nuze probably meant that GZ does rework a mass majority of the code to a point where it’s not id Tech 1 anymore, it’s just GZDoom.
halcyon willow
It's still id tech 1 fundamentally
vale gyro
GZ does also use C++ over C, unlike most other ports
It’s one of the few I am aware of that don’t just use straight up C, Helion being another example
twin mortar
Sure, I can agree that at its core it's id Tech 1, but it is different enough where the claim that it's developing into its own engine isn't such an extreme overexaggeration
vale gyro
Well, Helion isn’t a source port, honestly
halcyon willow
Sure, I can agree that at its core it's id Tech 1, but it is different enough wh...
All source ports do their own thing. DSDA has fundamental changes from the original code
finite crag
sonic
vale gyro
Well, Helion isn’t a source port, honestly
Basically, it uses its own codebase entirely
vale gyro
Helion is prboom based
Helion’s made in C#, so it’s not a fork
twin mortar
I'm not really backing up Nuze's claim as I'm an outsider to source ports and how they work deep inside, I'm just clarifying what they meant by that statement
halcyon willow
Pretty sure it's a prboom fork
vale gyro
Pretty sure it's a prboom fork
Just checked, it isn’t
It’s a fork of nothing, it merely references code to be compatible with engines like ZDoom
C# isn’t like C++ where it can be sorta a drop-in replacement for C (though, saying even that is kinda a stretch)
It’s more akin to Java than anything else
halcyon willow
Anyway
Not relevant to my point that all source ports alter the orginal code, just in varying degrees
vale gyro
Yeah, I just went on a tangent, sorry
halcyon willow
All good
I think most people don't realise anything forked from the original source code is also licensed to be used as a game engine
finite crag
( ・－・)
halcyon willow
Good ol' GPL
twin mortar
I've been a DOSBox connoisseur for a bit now, last time I used source ports was Crispy Heretic
smoky anvil
anyone just use the steam port?
twin mortar
anyone just use the steam port?
I do; #classic-doom message
smoky anvil
glad im not the only one lol
vale gyro
anyone just use the steam port?
I hate it honestly
Unity is fine, but KEX is just horrible
smoky anvil
what makes it horrible compared to other ports
vale gyro
It’s just a buggy, unstable mess
twin mortar
I think the port is fine but there's a lot to nitpick about
vale gyro
weird, i havent had many issues with it
From others and myself I’ve seen the following issues
- Shitty, netcode that causes bugs like the “third person mode” and “dollhouse” bugs and can have over minute long input delays
- CTD by just opening the settings
- CTD by just opening the automap
- HOM issues even on the official maps
- Compatibility bugs
- CTD on level change
twin mortar
No Nightmare! popup 😔
vale gyro
Also no IDBEHOLD popup, either
smoky anvil
i guess i have had good luck then
coarse igloo
CTD by just opening the settings
I've seen this one
vale gyro
> CTD by just opening the settings
I've seen this one
that's the main one that's happened to me
red harbor
For me it's loading levels
smoky anvil
I've crashed by exiting the multiplayer as well
thats actually happened to me
sharp fractal
I’m new to pc doom and I’ve been hearing about strafing could someone pretty please tell me if strafing is talking about wasd and mouse controls or your entire movement being keys?
red harbor
I’m new to pc doom and I’ve been hearing about strafing could someone pretty ple...
Strafing is specifically the buttons that move you left and right (usually A and D but control schemes differ between players)
Circle-strafing is the art of strafing while moving your mouse so that you run circles around an enemy while still being able to attack them
sharp fractal
Circle-strafing is the art of strafing while moving your mouse so that you run c...
Thank you for the answer :D
red harbor
Circle-strafing is the art of strafing while moving your mouse so that you run c...
This is most effective on enemies with projectiles (with the exception of the revenant), as they don't predict your movement so they'll never hit you with this method
tropic heath
Anybody on ps5 ? Need a hand with doom 2
hexed escarp
does that gzdoom rtx port support amd raytracing compatible gpus?
sand obsidian
What are yall top 3 Best doom 1 + doom 2 Soundtracks?
halcyon willow
does that gzdoom rtx port support amd raytracing compatible gpus?
Do you mean vkdoom?
halcyon willow
Never heard of it
hexed escarp
ah, it got some attention on yt and from gaming journalists
halcyon willow
There was one last year that was (ironically) prboom based
hexed escarp
because it was marketted as "doom 2 with rtx"
hexed escarp
There was one last year that was (ironically) prboom based
yeah i remember that one
hexed escarp
wait what
halcyon willow
If it's the one I'm thinking of
halcyon willow
It's a specific gzdoom based mod for doom2.wad. You can't just load up any wad with it
Welp, maybe mod isn't quite the right word
hexed escarp
but it crashes when i try to run it
halcyon willow
Yeah you'll have to ask the creator
hexed escarp
im on a brand new amd 9070 xt, so maybe its just new driver issues
vale gyro
Nah, can confirm it’s Doom 2 only
Out of curiosity I’ve messed with the mod and could never get Doom 1 working
hexed escarp
Out of curiosity I’ve messed with the mod and could never get Doom 1 working
the old prboom+ one works well for doom 1, thats what it was made for
hexed escarp
ah yeah vkdoom seems epic
is it going to have raytraced GI as a built in option?
that would be epic
halcyon willow
You can bake global illumination
hexed escarp
will there be realtime GI support?
halcyon willow
I know it's been talked about
You can flag specific sectors to live update
Not 100% certain on where that's at specifically with global illumination
hexed escarp
one of the coolest things about the prboom+ rtx port was seeing the fireballs fly across the room and have real time updating GI
halcyon willow
Oh that. Yeah vkdoom has that
Global illumination = sunlight
Directional lighting from the skybox
hexed escarp
ah, typically in graphics global illumination refers to any indirect bounce lighting
from the sun or not
hexed escarp
but like is there indirect lighting?
halcyon willow
Meaning?
hexed escarp
direct lighting is where something emits light, and that light hits another thing, this is very easy to calculate in real time using shadow mapping and other similar techniques
indirect lighting is where something emits light, and that light bounces off of one thing and hits other things from there
that is an effect that typically needs raytracing to be able to simulate in realtime without other trickery
halcyon willow
Bounce lighting
hexed escarp
yeah
halcyon willow
Yes, but it's quite performance intensive for the live updating so it's limited to 1 or 2 bounces iirc
hexed escarp
indirect lighting/bounce lighting/global illumination all mean the same thing
halcyon willow
Bounce lighting is a specific thing
hexed escarp
is it done with raytracing or something else
halcyon willow
As in, the light bounces off of surfaces
hexed escarp
yeah
halcyon willow
Lightmaps and Ray tracing
hexed escarp
cool
halcyon willow
Up to the mapper to decide what
2 types of lights. Static for the light maps and full ray traced dynamic
So for the record, vkdoom is less a port you chuck an old wad into and have instant modern lighting (although it can do a bit of that). It's aimed at new maps, new games where people have made their maps with the tools deliberately
That's where it'll shine
hexed escarp
yeah makes sense
hexed escarp
So for the record, vkdoom is less a port you chuck an old wad into and have inst...
how do i enable that if i want to try it?
i know its not what its meant for but i kinda want to mess around with it anyways
hexed escarp
ok
halcyon willow
If Nash contradicts anything I've said he's the man with the plan so listen to him lol
hexed escarp
has anything cool been made for it as of yet?
halcyon willow
Some people have been dabbling with it
Exl converted some of their old maps
Disdain (gzdoom game) is what the port was made for
The demo uses an old version of vkdoom
finite crag
I played doom 1 without cheats on hurt me plenty difficultly
for the first time everything more scary and intense I made too E1m4 before I take break
finite crag
I know
Is. not common to stop?
@twin mortar are you proud
it was your idea or maybe it was the other guy
vale gyro
Is. not common to stop?
oh it's common to stop, dw
vast reef
for the first time everything more scary and intense I made too E1m4 before I ta...
doom was also scary as shit to me at first dw
finite crag
:<
smoky anvil
I played doom 1 without cheats on hurt me plenty difficultly
You are on the path of greatness
finite crag
A good startt
twin mortar
<@572099722383458314> are you proud
Yes, good job on taking that first step
smoky anvil
Once i finish up auger zenith im gonna do doom 2
finite crag
The first three D2 master levels were good, 4 and 5 were fine. No quicksaves.
Some confusing parts in 4 and 5, poison traps kinda suck sometimes
smoky anvil
I remember the master levels sucked kinda
finite crag
Oh yeah I hear some of the later ones are duds
smoky anvil
Map 21 is interesting for sure
smoky anvil
I got something to dread I guess...
Its not hard just weird
red harbor
does anyone know where a floppy version of Doom V1.9's (not Ultimate Doom) shareware version can be found? or does that fall under the "no distributing iwads" rule despite it being the shareware episode im asking for?
coarse igloo
im on a brand new amd 9070 xt, so maybe its just new driver issues
typical AMD, and yes they have also with this card again driver issues
hexed escarp
typical AMD, and yes they have also with this card again driver issues
hey at least i was actually able to get one
unlike an nvidia card
coarse igloo
I keep my 2080 Ti until it gets better
I need new hardware, but AMD GPU is no option for me because I need too much stuff from nvidia
especially AI
hexed escarp
yeah i dont really care about AI so thats why i went amd
hexed escarp
yeah i dont like DLSS, especially frame gen
coarse igloo
the new games will need it no matter what XD
hexed escarp
nah, only if they are using pathtracing
which is absolutely not necessary
i am able to get fine performance without upscaling on my new gpu
coarse igloo
some games begin already to be that bad optimized that they need it already without RT
hexed escarp
like what
coarse igloo
many UE5 games
hexed escarp
ah yeah UE5 is just bad tho
games on other engines, like idtech run much better
like recently, indiana jones and the great circle
that game looks incredible and runs much better than ue5 games
even with raytracing (not pathtracing tho)
red harbor
does anyone know where a floppy version of Doom V1.9's (not Ultimate Doom) share...
would just download it from the idgames archive but idk how to throw that into an 86box vhd lol
so i figure a floppy image will suffice
tropic heath
Any tips for circle of death DOOM 2 nightmare
red harbor
Any tips for circle of death DOOM 2 nightmare
shoot all enemies until they die, dont let your health reach 0
also archviles are kinda nerfed in nightmare since enemies can revive on their own
mortal silo
In all seriousness, I think decino has videos of d2 nightmare
tropic heath
In all seriousness, I think decino has videos of d2 nightmare
Thank you ill have a look
coarse igloo
nightmare is just rush the map like zeromaster because 100% kills not possible. At duke you could at least stop the respawning by exploding the corpses
but the difficulty level design from these games are bad made imo
Descent did it the amazing way
because in descent the gameplay stays the same - same enemy placements, same powerups, everything the same, so that a new enemy is also introduced on every difficulty level at the same time
Descent changes all the indirect like - how much hp a bubble gives you back, how many shots the enemy fires per attack, how fast projectiles travel, how aggressive the enemies are, and all these indirect things which is really cool
no fighting against damage multipliers either
finite crag
Nightmare wasn't intended to be well-designed, from what I know it was made as a gag
azure nimbus
still doable in d1 and d2's original wads
coarse igloo
the difficulty levels are in general not good designed, I wouldve loved to see more companies doing it like parallax did it for descent
finite crag
I remember nightmare was made because some people complained that UV was too easy
I do think that doom 64 did difficulty pretty well
coarse igloo
I just dont like the mechanic that the gameplay changes
which it does when you change monsters
twin mortar
still doable in d1 and d2's original wads
Has to be done to 100% Unity also
finite crag
The worst type of difficulty is numerical imo. Keeping enemies the same, but turning them into bullet sponges that do more damages on higher difficulties. A lot of modern games do this
coarse igloo
a really good example is doom 2 map 06 the crusher, on every difficulty level an other enemy on the platform xD
red harbor
nightmare is just rush the map like zeromaster because 100% kills not possible. ...
erm aktually 100% kills is common on Nightmare (unless you use GZDoom)
coarse igloo
The worst type of difficulty is numerical imo. Keeping enemies the same, but tur...
yep thats even more lazy 😄
twin mortar
The worst type of difficulty is numerical imo. Keeping enemies the same, but tur...
I'm fine with these tbh
red harbor
The worst type of difficulty is numerical imo. Keeping enemies the same, but tur...
those suck
finite crag
On my doom clone I'm doing all I can to avert that. Enemy health is always the same on every difficulty. Always.
coarse igloo
which also did Forsaken. And the result it does is: On higher difficulty level your own weapons all feel like shooting peas and this kills the fun when your own weapons feel like bullshit 😄
finite crag
Easy: Enemies do 50% of the usual damage
Medium: Base difficulty
Hardcore: Medium, but with 50% more enemies (I secretly encourage classic doom fans to pick that one first)
Nightmare: Fast monsters
My game. So yeah, similar to how classic doom does this, too
I was thinking of adding 'respawning monsters', I got it coded and ready to implement, but in the end a part of me wanted to keep Nightmare beatable
finite crag
those suck
I once tried Oblivion max difficulty
6x enemy health and damage
red harbor
The worst type of difficulty is numerical imo. Keeping enemies the same, but tur...
only time im okay with this is a sort of "new game +" where you get to keep your loot from previous runs
finite crag
oh yeah Dark Souls does this well, yes
coarse igloo
erm aktually 100% kills is common on Nightmare (unless you use GZDoom)
but how long you like to search that one left enemy that you never killed before next to all the others being alive again 😄
its still just not a good difficulty level design imo 😄
red harbor
oh yeah Dark Souls does this well, yes
never understoof why they never did ng+ like ds2 did, that was easily the best ng+
finite crag
Yeah
red harbor
but how long you like to search that one left enemy that you never killed before...
respawned enemies count for the kill percentage, thats why you often see 100%+ kills on Nightmare
twin mortar
Or for Icon of Sin
finite crag
I also had 100%+ kills on lower difficulties thanks to Archies
twin mortar
Thought that's due to the level just not really having a defined monster value within itself
coarse igloo
I've seen dsda being able to only count monsters you never killed before, which is a cool feature
red harbor
Or for Icon of Sin
true
finite crag
DOOM 2016 and Eternal...
I hear that enemy placement is not that different between difficulties, pure aggression and damage increase.
80 damage from an Imp fireball. What a world
finite crag
I also hear that accuracy is increased
twin mortar
Imps should start using their tongues as weapons again
Unimaginably goofy to have them throwing tongues around again but I'd love to see it
coarse igloo
That 100 damage caco fireball did surprise me the most on my first 2016 playthrough 😄
red harbor
Imps should start using their tongues as weapons again
subterfuge sonic (the freaky one) ptsd intensifies
finite crag
I also considered adding a 'one hit and you're dead' difficulty to my game but those don't feel good for DOOM clones so eh.
coarse igloo
But 2016 is so cool, much more serious atmosphere than the cartoonish eternal
finite crag
Gotta love the meta storytelling
twin mortar
*subterfuge sonic (the freaky one) ptsd intensifies*
Good thing I have no idea what you are talking about
red harbor
Good thing I have no idea what you are talking about
yeah thats a good thing
finite crag
Maybe a 'one hit and everything dies' difficulty could be fun like DmC's heaven or hell
twin mortar
I also considered adding a 'one hit and you're dead' difficulty to my game but t...
This feels like one of the unlockable bonus difficulties in Wolfenstein TNO, would be neat
red harbor
Maybe a 'one hit and everything dies' difficulty could be fun like DmC's heaven ...
god i need to play dmc sometime
coarse igloo
I also had 100%+ kills on lower difficulties thanks to Archies
I honestly like that gzdoom can count that correctly
GZDoom has also an option which you can turn on so that icon of sin kills all his spawns when killed - then you can do regular 100% kills
finite crag
I am considering adding an Ultra-Nightmare to my game's episode
But I will say I couldn't get past my 4th level. not without glitches (yes, my game has glitches. Unity being unity lol)
Tho even with glitches... eh. Dunno if I can manage. 4th level is a slaughter-ish map
I also considered game modifiers like Halo's skulls
red harbor
I am considering adding an Ultra-Nightmare to my game's episode
But I will say ...
pick your poison
get taxed for making a good game with Unity VS unoptimized Unreal
finite crag
I have to cheese a lot. Adding hitscan to projectiles to ensure they actually stop in front of a wall, etc.
Well it works and performance is stable now... I guess
Because collision in Unity doesn't always work like I expect it to. And I still go through walls sometimes. I could help this by slowing my character down, but a slow-walker? In a doom clone? Hm.
I admit I have not tried every doom level on every difficulty so I can't judge much. My first go-to is always Hurt Me Plenty
quaint raven
dope, i cant pass the first level
mighty anvil
dope, i cant pass the first level
i dont belive u
quaint raven
huh? why
mighty anvil
because it isnt that hard imo
finite crag
It kinda is imo
Hope ya liked plutonia
Especially if you play no quicksaves, plutonia can be tough shit
quaint raven
enough hard to me lolol
finite crag
Plutonia is my least favorite official release personally. Dunno it just doesn't stick for me (I play Hurt me plenty)
mighty anvil
Especially if you play no quicksaves, plutonia can be tough shit
i played with quicksaves
finite crag
But there were some cool maps
Worry not, quicksaves are fully legit, even official doom manuals encourage you to save often
I just choose to refrain from quicksave as much as possible sometimes, but with Pluto I did it very often
mighty anvil
Worry not, quicksaves are fully legit, even official doom manuals encourage you ...
good to know
icy umbra
Worry not, quicksaves are fully legit, even official doom manuals encourage you ...
I always quicksave
mighty anvil
I just choose to refrain from quicksave as much as possible sometimes, but with ...
it feels like a cheat loll
quaint raven
i laready know weapon and ammo spots in the first level of plutonia, but i was losing agains the revenants and the mancubbus
finite crag
For me it does. Objectively it isn't a cheat but it hurts my pride if I can't beat a full level without saves
Currently on DOOM 2 Master Levels, will continue sooon. First five levels done... I hear that this campaign is divisve
quaint raven
i dont use quicksaves too, by design is cheat lolol
mighty anvil
btw im going to do ''no rest for the living'' next
icy umbra
i dont use quicksaves too, by design is cheat lolol
damn
vale gyro
i dont use quicksaves too, by design is cheat lolol
If it’s apart of the game, I don’t consider it cheating
finite crag
I tend to have a literal approach with stuff, if it is't listed as a cheat, it isn't. If it is intended, it is intended. So it's objectively not a cheat
But I can understand why people wouldn't wanna use it
Again, I try my best to not exploit it since I want to learn levels and feel satisfied enough
finite crag
btw im going to do ''no rest for the living'' next
G'uck, it's a decent map pack
mighty anvil
is final doom part of main series?
mighty anvil
G'uck, it's a decent map pack
ty
finite crag
Hm...
tough question. Final doom is apparently a sequel to doom 2 in some way
but narratively it doesn't feel as 'involved' as doom 1 and 2
It feels more like a spin-off for me
quaint raven
e2m6 has been the most difficult level I have completed so far in UV without quicksaves
icy umbra
yeah, I don't exploit it alot cause I like a challenge, but I do quicksave cause Ion wanna do allat that shit again
icy umbra
e2m6 has been the most difficult level I have completed so far in UV without qui...
what was e2m6 again?
finite crag
I did beat E4M1 on UV without quicksaves but E4M2 I did not enjoy at all so I kinda quit lol
vale gyro
I tried E4 without quicksaves on UV lol
I did basically everything without saves on UV minus E4
quaint raven
i find funny that you have to pick a berserk to progress in that level, it serves like a switch
vale gyro
Well, when talking about Doom 1/UDoom
icy umbra
I did beat E4M1 on UV without quicksaves but E4M2 I did not enjoy at all so I ki...
I like e4 it's a challenge
finite crag
It's not the worst episode
I really want to love Ultimate DOOM but I just did not enjoy Episode 2 and 3 much
Y'know what I'm gonna replay Limbo (the level in episode 3 that I hated the most) and see if my time with D2, Final Doom etc made me better.
I'll be back.
quaint raven
e4m1 is great
icy umbra
It's not the worst episode
I really want to love Ultimate DOOM but I just did n...
I myself am not the biggest fan of e3 (atleast by what I remember it has been quite long since I played it)
actually e3's first few levels are ok, it's just some later ones that Ion like
rose turret
so is all of deimos in hell or just the base?
smoky anvil
Worry not, quicksaves are fully legit, even official doom manuals encourage you ...
Real question how does everyone feel about quicksaves?
vale gyro
Real question how does everyone feel about quicksaves?
Use them if you want, don’t use them if you don’t
I personally just do more of a checkpoint save system
finite crag
I still don't like the level but I may have treated it too harshly. At least there's no Chaingunner spam (makes sense since this is a doom 1 level)
I only used ONE quicksave for this level because the jump to get the yellow key was really inconsistent for me
Sometimes I made the jump using the same tactic when it failed
I did it on my own. I still think the level sucks for being a lava-infested mess with backtracking and small switches but oh well, I got it down. UV Max. I usually don't UV Max btw
And I actually got to the end without quicksaves on an earlier attempt. It's just that I redid it to get all secrets and that led to me getting in a bit of strafe warfare with that yellow key.
finite crag
e2m6 has been the most difficult level I have completed so far in UV without qui...
G'luck on the rest of your journeyy
I just decided to have my revenge against E3M7 Limbo on UV
One attempt was not UV Max but without quicksave, another with one excusable quicksave and UV Max (which I usually don't do, but i felt like I had a score to settle with this level that put me off from replaying Episode 3 for months)
And yeah I kind of enjoyed E4M1, cool level
Gotta give Final DOOM some credit for making me realize that I may or may not have been a bit too harsh on DOOM 1
onyx shoal
azure nimbus
i dont use quicksaves too, by design is cheat lolol
it's...just regular saves but fewer clicks
mortal silo
Final Doom is peak.
finite crag
I don't hate it
I just prefer some other classic doom games really but final doom has some good stuff for me
smoky anvil
Tnts maps are pretty cool, some of them suck but there are very good ones in there
finite crag
Just beat DOOM 2 Master levels' Subspace and Paradox... Paradox got beaten twice since I forgot to quicksave after it and died at the start of the next mission, wanted to keep my weapons etc
Paradox was a bit odd of a puzzle near the end but overall a good city level. Subspace was a bit of an eh? but not offensively confusing.
Doing pretty decent when it comes to classic doom. Beat DOOM 64 twice and enjoyed it, settled a score with Limbo (which may not be the worst ultimate doom level after all) and enjoying the first third of the master levels of doom 2
finite crag
Tnts maps are pretty cool, some of them suck but there are very good ones in the...
Agreed
Tho I'm also surprisingly enjoying the master levels of D2, funnily enough. IIRC the overal consensus on them is not very positive from what I see
smoky anvil
I gotta do the master levels one of these days
finite crag
I got original midi enabled iirc
ok yeah I have not heard running from evil a single time so far
umbral shale
In the master levels?
finite crag
nope
finite crag
So far I heard (from what I remember)... the intermission song, demons from adrian's pen on level 2 (one of the best and most underrated tracks, lovely), that map02 doom 2 track on subspace, into sandy's city...
umbral shale
I think I got that info from mtpain
I probably misremembered
I think that midi pack is better for it
smoky anvil
They may have changed it bc i remember a couple years ago it was the same song on repeat
umbral shale
I'd prefer the doom 2 ost in doom 2
finite crag
Master levels is an odd bunch, it is a bit different per release in terms of order
FINAL DOOM on PS1 is majority master levels
So yeah I enjoyed the first seven master levels but I hear it's gonna get rough later on
umbral shale
Yeah it get's monotonous, especially with the poor level design language
Titans manor comes to mind
finite crag
I hear they get very cryptic later on, and I'm not good at cryptic level and secret-seeking. Its rare for me to get 100% kills and secrets really
umbral shale
Yeah good luck man, it just gets rough
finite crag
thankss
red harbor
goddamn doom is fun on dos
azure nimbus
Just beat DOOM 2 Master levels' Subspace and Paradox... Paradox got beaten twice...
every ML was designed for pistol start. In the original release, they could only be played pistol start
pine violet
Is there a set of sprites for a DOOM styled circular saw would like to use it as a chainsaw replacement
finite crag
every ML was designed for pistol start. In the original release, they could only...
aight
Got further. Yeah I'm starting to notice some shit... could beat level 8 and the Garrison just fine... then The Black Tower comes in.
I took a break because I'm currently lost and confused lol, and yeah I saved inbetween because this level is LONG
red harbor
Is there a set of sprites for a DOOM styled circular saw would like to use it as...
freedoom has a weapon similar to what youre looking for
pine violet
Yeah but the arm isn't in the style of paid Doom unfortunately
red harbor
yeah but unless there's something of the sort on realm667 then there's probably no better choice
onyx shore
Hi ~ I am trying to complete TnT Evolution within the Doom 1+Doom 2 release and am on map 9 called stronghold. You have to run through an opening to a blue key at the top of a box, but I can't do that for some reason ~ has anyon eheard of this glitch?
Should I contact Bethesda support directly?
vale gyro
Hi ~ I am trying to complete TnT Evolution within the Doom 1+Doom 2 release and ...
If you’re on PC, try doing the same in a source port over the official release
The official release is known to be incredibly buggy and unstable
onyx shore
I figure dit out via googling
Someone said or osme page said you have to shoot the barrels beneath the gap lol
Otherwise you can't cross it,...
smoky anvil
i take it back, doom 2's downtown isnt that bad
vale gyro
Someone said or osme page said you have to shoot the barrels beneath the gap lol
Oh wait, yeah.
Haven’t played TNT in a hot minute, so I forgot about those
Yeah, Doom just has infinitely tall hit boxes
You can’t walk over things
smoky anvil
i take it back, doom 2's downtown isnt that bad
nvm this shit is confusing as fuck
finite crag
Just beat the black tower, didn't really use much of a guide eventually...
In all fairness the level looks great but it just... ugh. not fun. I see a lot of other doom fans not like it. Virgil's lead... I got all kills and secrets without guide and quicksaves but it wasn't so fun either, lots of odd design choices and overall just not a good map either
Ten more to beat. Master levels, you started off so nice and good...
smoky anvil
i remember playing through a few of the master levels and i didnt like them
finite crag
I hear it gets especially fucked near the end.
smoky anvil
finally UV maxed downtown from a pistol start, fuck this level
thankfully inmost dens has no secrets
twin mortar
Plutonia
finite crag
How do you spell that damn doom 2 wad
The Plutonia Experiment yeah
You don't like it? Well it's my least favorite half of Final Doom (my least favorite doom game)
I was playing Doom Master Levels again and DOOM 1+2 just crashed. It has done that before, but I like to imagine that this time, even my PC was getting tired of the Master Levels
smoky anvil
i had it crash on me earlier when i was almost done with the wolfenstein level
twin mortar
@finite crag @vale gyro D+D2 changes the MLs a bit already, they're in a linear format for the second time ever, pretty nifty
finite crag
Yeah I heard of that
twin mortar
They're reordered though which I feel mixed about
full plinth
speaking of my house, we had a copy of house of leaves at work the other week and I'm so annoyed I didn't buy it before it got bought
finite crag
Pretty funny how it took them so long to get a consistent release order for it. Like...
Final doom on PS1 is majority master levels