classic-doom

[vast reef]

(This is a joke do not do this)

[finite crag]

hey guys

[vast reef]

hey guys

bro said hey guys and dipped

[finite quail]

There was already one in the second level lol I was yo wtf

[lunar rune]

It's basically a bait, it's not very dangerous and is supposed to be a distraction from the teleporter that will telefrag the Cyberdemon and get you a BFG

[finite quail]

Yeah I killed it I wanted to get 100% on kills

And got the BFG which is nice

[mellow stump]

Man I love classic Doom

Game of the century

[red harbor]

Yeah, along with Quake.

REMEMBER: "Demon" can be an offensive term. Refer to them as "Mortally Challenged."

[molten furnace]

Hello

[red harbor]

Hello

[heavy lark]

hey, which of the classic doom games has the most action and badass music since im on the master levels for doom 2 so im hoping it gets more like action packed

[finite quail]

in terms of music Doom 1 is probably the best

specially those remixes on the new port it makes it so much better

[heavy lark]

alright, thx

[red harbor]

The most action? Either No Rest For The Living or Legacy Of Rust (basically turns into a slaughtermap towards the end)

[heavy lark]

alrighty, ig i'll have to get to that at some point

[red harbor]

NRTFL's secret level showcases the perfect way to use Archviles and i love it

[twin mortar]

NRFTL being praised makes my X360 loving soul very happy

[red harbor]

yeah, shame it was stuck on the xbox for so long when it comes to official releases

[twin mortar]

2 years isn't very long

[red harbor]

oh i thought it was stuck on xbox until the unity port, i forgot about bfg edition 😭

[twin mortar]

If it really was stuck on it that long I wonder if public reception of it would be the same

[red harbor]

true

unrelated but doomsday is definitely a source port

[finite crag]

risen3d is better

[red harbor]

the movement is a bit floaty, but it feels more natural than zdoom's physics still

[red harbor]

does it support the 3d model pack?

[finite crag]

Yes

[red harbor]

hell yeah

[red harbor]

dude its buggy as shit, if i look at specific angles it just becomes a hall of mirrors effect

also the ui is horrible

[vale gyro]

jeez

[red harbor]

?

[vale gyro]

was just responding to how buggy it was, sorry

[red harbor]

oh

was confused what you meant lol

[vale gyro]

I shoulda been more clear tbh

[red harbor]

also to continue my criticism the ui once youre in-game is horrendous (give me a sec to take a screenshot)

[vale gyro]

...

y'know, I'm not so embarrased over the UIs I've made now

[red harbor]

yeah crazy that this was last updated in like 2022

@icy umbra no clue lol

[icy umbra]

damn even I could do better

[vale gyro]

like, a basic Windows API UI setup would've probably worked a tad better

[icy umbra]

anything would be better

[vale gyro]

eh, not anything

ed is still worse

though, that's entirely text based

and was made back in the 70's for Unix

[icy umbra]

well I guess

[vale gyro]

which was meant to be displayed on a teletype

[icy umbra]

eh I just think it looks like ass, so like as long as it's better lookwise Ion care

[vale gyro]

ed uses question marks to display errors

that's all you get lol

[icy umbra]

damn

[vale gyro]

but yeah, I might try Risen3D just to see myself

[icy umbra]

yeah u should see it yourself, to see how bad it is

[red harbor]

unrelated but is that an archvile pfp

[icy umbra]

yes

it is my favorite deamon

[red harbor]

nice

[icy umbra]

ye

[finite crag]

the new risen3d weapon models are so ugly ong

[red harbor]

not to sound like a hater but the entire source port is kinda ugly in my opinion

[finite crag]

true

but I unironically love the 3d models

[red harbor]

its not even the models (thats why i was looking at doomsday)

its the fact that its buggy and the ui is terrible

[finite crag]

why buggy?

[red harbor]

whenever you look up or down at specific angles you either get a hall of mirrors effect or assets disappear

[onyx shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-unpog-gif-8033619785015707160

[smoky island]

played classic doom at 120fps for the first time a few days ago and it was godly

[finite quail]

just finished playing the ultimate doom

[simple crystal]

[vale gyro]

nice

you got any favorite maps?

[finite quail]

4th map on episode 1

the 3rd one in the thy flesh consumed

I can't remember the other ones rn

[vale gyro]

my personal favorite in E2M1

favorite boss level being E4M8

[red harbor]

well to be fair E4M8 was an actual level instead of just the boss

[quaint raven]

e4m2 is on fire

this is eternal vibes

lololol

[opaque topaz]

My favourite levels per episode would be: E1M8; E2M2; E3M7; E4M2; E5M5; and E6M6

[drifting fiber]

i like E1M9, E2M4, E3M7 and E4M9

what i don't like is fucking E4M1

keeps ending my attempts to complete the full game on UV without dying

haven't even gotten to e4m6 or e4m2 except once, where i died to lava of all things

i don't mean to change the topic and rant about my failures, so i'm sorry about that.

[finite crag]

same lmao

[quaint raven]

e4m2 is kicking my ass fucking cacos

[red harbor]

yeah that level is definitely what happens when you give romero 6 hours to make a level

[finite crag]

Of all the official classic doom games, LOR has the best ost ngl

[red harbor]

yeah

NRTFL has the best gameplay tho

[finite crag]

true

but I miss the double ammo from the backpacks

playing nrftl with coop spawns makes it easier because you get a backpack on the first map lol

and all the other weapons

[opaque topaz]

I love it when levels limit your arsenal.

You have to think and be more creative.

[halcyon willow]

Funnily enough, that's my favorite. Who needs medikits lol

[drifting fiber]

someone like me who's hopelessly bad at doom without medkits

[halcyon willow]

A super cool secret? Have 5 barons of hell as reward

It is definitely a mean map

Not everyone's cup of tea

[finite crag]

NIN logo

[halcyon willow]

The first map I ever released was an homage to E4M1

[vast hull]

Final doom..the doom that wasn't actually the final doom game ..oops?

[vast reef]

did you know that doom eternal is. Not eternal

the game ends

[finite crag]

yeah it only lasted until october 2021

[azure nimbus]

Final, Ultimate, Eternal all suggest that they are the last one

[finite crag]

Final Fantasy

well it is final doom in the sense that it is the final I'll list if I rank them from favorite to least favorite

[vast reef]

ur like. wrong btw

[red harbor]

master levels:

final doom is only bad because of tnt evilution

also the doom rpgs are right there

[finite crag]

It's my least favorite, I can't change that lol

[finite crag]

I have not tried DOOM 2's master levels, all things considered

[finite crag]

Nah I kind of like TNT, favorite half of Final Doom for me personally. And I did not say Final Doom is bad. But it's just not my favorites. And I have not tried the DOOM RPGs

But yeah maybe I should try some of the more 'infamous' entries lol, Master levels for doom 2 are still out there

[vast reef]

no. never say that. you can change. for the better. no matter how dark your past is.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/995900591513534465/1346108952269684766/images_82.jpg?ex=67c6fd27&is=67c5aba7&hm=540834c5c409d4420309ae0e263a8667f79c30320054c9597906c0f66958ac19&

rooting for you, brother. 💗💗

[finite crag]

Beautiful stuff
So yeah Final DOOM is my least favorite so far but if I ever decide to beat all of DOOM 2's master levels... maybe that changes.

It's funny how the PS1 version of Final Doom has a big chunk of D2 master levels. Doom ports are so funny

[red harbor]

yeah early tnt is fine but its a slog towards the end

@shadow steeple get yo scammer ass outta here

[finite crag]

I agree that the last 10 levels were lesser
I liked most levels but Central Processing (real brave to copy DS1 map's title) was an awful drag.

And I don't even hate Habitat that much, I can call it 'so bad it's good' and it's at least short, whereas Central Processing is just such an ugh.

[red harbor]

plutonia is hard as hell but at least its fun

[finite crag]

I found it fun sometimes. I preferred TNT but if people prefer Plutonia that's fine to me.
If I play on a higher difficulty I don't enjoy either much but that's just an issue on my part 😅

[red harbor]

also if you want some more "official" doom then the wizardworks wads are decent enough. they arent the pinnacle of doom mapping (even for 1996) but theyre fine

[finite crag]

aight interesting

Ima continue with DOOM 64 first, replaying levels on highest difficulty. After final doom this was quite a pleasant surprise, likin' a lot

Tho I am curious about Master Levels for DOOM 2 because it is detested... and I also have not tried Legacy of Rust yet. I am not good with very cryptic levels. DOOM 64 was just right, pulled out aguide far less often than with other games.

[red harbor]

oh legacy of rust is good but it starts to feel like a slaughtermap wad towards the end

so if you like slaughtermaps then youll probably like it

[pine violet]

Think it would be cool if at the end of Legacy of Rust or Doom 2 instead of a cast list of the enemies it would be some sort of cutscene of the Mother Demon from Doom 64 resurrecting various enemies in order of how they appear in the original credits

Perhaps pointing the camera in such a way where you can't see the Mother Demon's upper body and face

[red harbor]

so i just found out chocolate-doom inspired source ports for Boom and MBF (also ZDoom (NOT GZDOOM) exist

might have to check them out

[drifting fiber]

successfully completed the ultimate doom on ultra-violence without dying

[finite crag]

GG

now do it on UN

[red harbor]

wrong doom game

[drifting fiber]

a never-ever for me, sorry.

i can't even get past e1m3 on regular nightmare

(...i mean on classic doom. i don't own doom 2016 or eternal, whichever game "ultra-nightmare" is on)

[red harbor]

oh yeah that level is one of the hardest to complete on nightmare

if you can beat that you can definitely beat any other level

[drifting fiber]

perhaps one day i'll put in the grind to complete it, but i definitely don't have the confidence time or patience to bother doing the entire episode in one run on nightmare

the people in this community and world that are able to do that are on a whole other level.

[vale gyro]

RAGE, maybe RAGE 2 (but I can’t remember, Doom 2016, and Doom Eternal all have it

You can sorta mimic the 2016/Eternal version by resetting back to the first map after death while playing on Nightmare!

[drifting fiber]

well i don't own either of those games or intend on finishing them on nightmare in any capacity right now

maybe someday though. it would feel like one hell of an accomplishment (no pun intended) to complete a run of the game on nightmare for me, even if it's been done by thousands of others already.

[rose moat]

Looking for people who like smaller lobbies for ffa 6-8 players. I noticed that these type of games seem to have a playerbase obsessed with tons of players on tiny maps, which 1, ruins the flow and pacing of the maps & 2, just isn't fun. I started my own community that supports similar mindset, games should be fair and fun first-most. If anyone is interested in that kind of thing, I wouldn't mind playing with ya: I like alot of different Arena Shooters; such as: Quake, Doom, Unreal Tournament, Serious Sam, painkiller, reflex arena, & much more! 🙂

[scenic vine]

I just randomly joined an FFA server with three people and we had 7-8 for a good hour. It was a total blast. Sometimes you just gotta hop on and get lucky. But I like those kinds of games too — feel free to drop me an invite. I play classic Doom, Kingpin, Marathon, Serious Sam….

[mortal peak]

What is harder, Master Levels for Doom 2, or TNT and Plutonia? I played through 16 of the Master Levels, but I'm thinking they're a bit too insane for me, at least right now. Should I move on to Final Doom?

[red harbor]

depends on if master levels is being pistol started or not

[mortal peak]

No pistol start. I play with quicksaves

[red harbor]

ah, i was mainly saying that since master levels was made with pistol starting in mind as it's 20 individual levels that weren't made with progression between levels in mind

[mortal peak]

I try to only quicksave when I get a key though

[red harbor]

final doom is decent but tnt gets kinda bad towards the end and plutonia is known as one of the hardest official wads

early tnt is fine enough though

[smoky anvil]

Plutonia by far

[finite crag]

I have not beaten Master levels doom 2

Plutonia is hardest and also my least favorite of the Final Doom package. It will burn players to the ground

TNT is good but the last ten levels kind of decline, with absolute stinkers like Central Processing and Baron's Den (I won't list Habitat because that just feels like a dead horse at this point, but yes that map is also not good at all, agreed. I just hate a few others much more)

[smoky anvil]

Plutonia on HMP is not so bad but UV is a whole new world of pain lol

[finite crag]

I even found it annoying on HMP, just not very fun imo

I don't UV usually

[smoky anvil]

Ah i only do UV if its a game i know pretty well or is just too easy on HMP

[finite crag]

fair

I also do UV on Doom Eternal at times

Tho I tend to just skip it and go straight for Nightmare if I want to increase difficulty

DOOM 3: Went from Marine on playthrough A to Nightmare on playthrough B
DOOM 64: Started Bring It On, second playthrough and I have the difficulty set to Watch Me Die

Not for classic doom btw, I tried Nightmare on DOOM 1, and even with quicksaves my brain melted after 4 levels

[smoky anvil]

Yea nightmare in classic doom is broken lol

[red harbor]

well it WAS made to shut up the "UV is too easy!" crowd

it was always a joke difficulty not meant to be taken seriously

[smoky anvil]

Yea, there is one WAD that was designed around nightmare i havent played it yet but it could be fun

[twin mortar]

Then they made it necessary to 100% Unity 🫠

[finite crag]

yeah I know. the backstory is hilarious. But I still applaud people who beat it Nightmare anyways without dying

[red harbor]

in all fairness by then like all of the people who worked on doom were gone from id

[finite crag]

And so many people had beaten Nightmare in spite of the game's warnings

Tho yeah it is cut from more than one console port, unfortunately lol (older ports)

[twin mortar]

id didn't handle Unity anyway it didn't matter

[twin mortar]

The latest port lacks the warning too

[smoky anvil]

It does?

[finite crag]

Oh yeah

Ima check it out later, I have not played nightmare in so long

[twin mortar]

At least it's not bugged like the 360 port

The Nightmare I mean

[finite crag]

I tried to replicate Nightmare mode in my doom clone but a part of me really wanted to be able to beat it so I made beatable anyways

Pride is strong sometimes. Tho it's not strong enough for me to try the actual nightmare on DOOM fully

[smoky anvil]

Sunder on nightmare when?

[red harbor]

guys im finally getting around to setting up 86box so i can play the classic doom games on something better than dosbox while still being a complete purist

[smoky anvil]

I beat BTSX ep 1 on UV with pistol starts

Feels good

[trim sonnet]

Why is this game so hard I'm playing on I'm too young to die and can't past hanger

[finite crag]

try shooting

try r1

[smoky anvil]

Getting hit is bad

[trim sonnet]

I tried shooted

[smoky anvil]

Try to avoid that

[trim sonnet]

Imp scarby

[smoky anvil]

How do i send gifs here

[finite crag]

With discord gifs

Tho some neat stickers are gifs

[smoky anvil]

Ah

Using the app on my phone so i have no clue what im doing

https://tenor.com/view/doom-gif-25164052

Haha found them

[icy umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/cacodemon-spinning-doom-gaming-gif-17251429

[red harbor]

c a c o s p i n

[icy umbra]

yes

https://tenor.com/view/monster-ball-gif-11572953

[smoky anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-retro-games-revenant-aaaaaa-dance-gif-13261832

[dawn hatch]

yeah that headcanon is completely wrong lmao. Idk how I never picked up on this, but the tower of babel is being built at the intermission screen as the player progresses through the episode

wait, why can't I post media?

[smoky anvil]

Idk, i cant either

[red harbor]

becuase #artwork and #screenshots exist

[smoky anvil]

ah ok

[ripe tree]

Question. It's been too long but...

In Doom 2, "The Pit". There's a room with a power up in the center. It's like a bridge with 2 Lava pits at the sides.

When you get the item, a wall opens to reveal many shotgunners in front of you.

Then when you reach the wall where they came from, another one opens to reveal even move chain gunners from the opposite wall.

Once I'm done with them, and cleared the room, I make my way to the hallway that got me in thos room, but a door closes in front of me.

I have no idea how to open the door. Is this one of those... "Doom 2 moments"?

Is there a way to open the door? Cause if not, what was even the point of beating all these enemies? 😭

[smoky anvil]

Which level is the pit?

Been a while since i played doom 2

[paper ice]

Could be a glitch. When you defeat all the enemies in that room, you go down the hallway and meet a chaingunner there and then you're back into one of the connecting rooms.

That level was memorable in my recent playthrough probably because of how many switches and moving walls there were in it.

I'm on Final Doom now tho

[paper ice]

Doom isn't usually scary but whever there is the occasional jumpscare (usually from an Imp too lol) it fucking gets me

[woven swallow]

thoughts on slaughtermaps

[flint plover]

cannot pass on a blind run no never

[vast reef]

i can play the shit out of mscp-level stuff

kinda like rush ig

[whole crown]

Lol.

[vast reef]

Lol.

[smoky anvil]

Love them

[finite crag]

https://tenor.com/view/it-is-acceptable-gus-fring-acceptable-better-call-saul-acceptable-gif-25806361

I can like a slaughtermap, I can hate em

[smoky anvil]

Some slaughter maps are too much for me lol

[finite crag]

I found Go 2 it funky but I did save-scum lol

I'll probably need to do more slaughtermaps. I'll definitely have one sort of slaughtermap in ma doom clone

[smoky anvil]

I almost beat Valiant’s map 31 on hmp without dying. Very good slaughter map, 1599 enemies but far from overwhelming.

[glad delta]

Someone have a good slaughter map? I already played sunder, holy hell and slaughterfest 2011

[smoky anvil]

Theres a wad called abandon somewhere out there, sunder scale maps and tough fights

[azure nimbus]

NoSp2

[glad delta]

thank you guys 🙏

[red harbor]

nuts

[glad delta]

Hell nah

uvmax on nuts

[red harbor]

you asked for a slaughtermap, i gave you like the only one i know

[glad delta]

fair enough

[azure nimbus]

fractured worlds. LLCMV(it's some French acronym), Flotsam(more of a hard set than pure slaughter)

[glad delta]

these sounds crazy

[smoky anvil]

theres a few maps from sunlust which are definitely slaughter maps

[finite crag]

23 days of running around in circles

[heavy lark]

is tnt evilution ost remastered?

[echo stream]

they gave the LOST SOUL a sticker but not the REVENANT???

[drifting oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/revenant-smoking-doom-gif-25286316

[smoky anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/revenant-doom-doom2-jumpscare-gif-22108444

[drifting oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/spooky-season-dance-skeleton-halloween-gif-15265417

[smoky anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/nuntidou-nunti-doomguy-doom-slayer-doom-gif-23472119

[finite crag]

what a sick joke

https://tenor.com/view/better-call-saul-chuck-charles-gif-26670840

Yeah I don't like the lost soul very much lol

[drifting oyster]

me either, fuck those things.

[finite crag]

Most of my deaths on 64 were probably due to them. I can deal with them with a chaingun but I still got ambushed at times

[glad delta]

These mf on doom 64 were insane

[finite crag]

oh yep. I usually try my best not to save during levels on DOOM 64 (I do it constantly on other classic doom games tho) but on Watch me die difficulty... I could not resist during some levels

[glad delta]

Oh I did a no save run and oh God I was terrified by those pain elementals and especially lost souls

they are fast bois

[finite crag]

yep

Also love how most demons in 64 look different but still faithful and then you have pain elementals which made me go 'oh hey didn't recognise you there'

[glad delta]

Fr and the ambient sounds too 🙏

[velvet acorn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0Gs6EegA98&t=1s

[finite crag]

this will be Doom in 2025

[velvet acorn]

took me a week or so to do I had a lot of fun 🙂

[red harbor]

oh hey i think i remember you posting a teaser for this on the doom subreddit

[velvet acorn]

yeahhh thats me hahaha

[paper ice]

Doom 1 with overlapping floors would be cool, like entire imagined areas expanding the original maps

And also as open-world

That video looks cool tho

[red harbor]

yeah honestly id kill for a full remake of the classic doom games (yeah i know 2016 and eternal are kind of retellings of the story but they arent really remakes)

[paper ice]

Would be cool with stuff like, getting prompt mission screens or whatever instead of flicking the switch at the end of a level, where you wander from the end of a map to the start of the next one, but when you start the game you can't access any other facilities without a special key that you receive in the area that had the switch in the original (like entry keys or something, different from the three colour ones).
Everywhere in the main worlds you can retrace your steps, but things become more complex in terms of the open world for the hell area levels later on.
But yeah a full remake, but one that stays true to the original in appearance/layout and tone, would be amazing.

[azure nimbus]

Doom is already 3d

Objects have length, widths, heights and all three (x,y,z) spatial coordinates

[velvet acorn]

entirely

its not real 3d

[azure nimbus]

It is

[velvet acorn]

whatever lol read the title

[azure nimbus]

Things have the three spatial coordinates

I read the title. That's why I disagree

[velvet acorn]

🤓

[azure nimbus]

Objects have the three spatial dimmensions length, width, height

Sure, vertical collisions are prevented, and you can't look up and down but so what? If you decided to stop looking up and down would you then exist in 2d?

[paper ice]

Doom is partial 3d, Quake is full 3d

[smoky anvil]

Its like 2.5d lol

[velvet acorn]

game is 2d until it is rendered

[azure nimbus]

That's just not true

[velvet acorn]

yes

[azure nimbus]

I understand that the map view in the editors are top-down, but things have height

[velvet acorn]

theres no verticality

[azure nimbus]

There is literally verticality

[smoky anvil]

There isnt

[azure nimbus]

There is a reason that platforming in doom can exist

[velvet acorn]

bruhhh, dont look at the graphics

[paper ice]

All areas in the original Doom games are flat but it gives the illusion of being able to go up and down floors.
You can't be underneath or on top of another area, which is true full 3d.

[azure nimbus]

Why does it take time for you to fall from the ground

[velvet acorn]

theres more than the graphics

in the calculations theres no 3d

[azure nimbus]

you literally can be above areas

[paper ice]

In Doom 3 onwards

[azure nimbus]

you don't snap to the ground when falling because doomguy does in fact fall vertically. There is vertical physics happening

[velvet acorn]

try shooting a monster from a floor above

[finite crag]

Ah felow doom maker

Looks sweet

[azure nimbus]

The vertical autoaim is limited. It simply will not work at too extreme an angle. Because the verticality is a factor

[velvet acorn]

bruh

[finite crag]

I'm also working on a doom-based project, also just implemented new stuff

[velvet acorn]

nicec

thanks

[azure nimbus]

Just because the default editor view is top-down doesn't make it not 3D. Go into the editor. You can change the heights of geometry. Look into the open source code. Monsters have heights that dictate how low of an overhang they can pass under

[velvet acorn]

bro ok its fine whatever if you say so

[azure nimbus]

Why can't monsters go down some drops but can go does stairs

[velvet acorn]

my bad but i dont really give a fuck that much

[azure nimbus]

If the map were literally flat, then stairs and big drops would be equivalent

[velvet acorn]

🤓

[azure nimbus]

But as it turns out, monsters have a limit to how far they are willing to drop

Verticality is factored into explosions too. Cover that is too low won't protect you from most attacks. Whereas low cover can protect you from the low height archvile exposion

WOah, I just remembered: Archvile jumps. Part of doom being 3d is that if you run faster, you can clear a farther gap (since you literally cover more horizontal distance before falling). Further, archviles launch you upwards so you can clear more distance.

[velvet acorn]

you good?

[azure nimbus]

Most monsters spawn their projectiles 64 units above the ground, causing them to crash into the walls depending on the distance and height of the wall

[velvet acorn]

i aint gonna ready allat sorry

[azure nimbus]

However, the revenant in particular spawns the projectile higher (actually the rev rises and falls within a frame) and can therefore clear higher cover without getting blocked

Lost souls even BOUNCE (in Udoom on floors)

[halcyon willow]

The title is wrong. The room over room limitation is a performance issue. Doom gameplay and it's renderer are 3d

Confirmed by Romero as well

[velvet acorn]

bro whatever you get it

[finite crag]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Uzw29QeZDU

[azure nimbus]

Even the concept of elevators or lifts. Why must I take a lift if height isn't taken into account

[halcyon willow]

People who say otherwise don't know what they're talking about

[velvet acorn]

omg

[finite crag]

Let's not bicker

I make a doom clone but I am not even trying to learn how to raycast and all that jazz

[halcyon willow]

Let's not talk factually incorrect bullshit

[finite crag]

Hm fair.

Misinfo is indeed cringe

[halcyon willow]

Vkdoom had raytracing

Which is poggers

[azure nimbus]

In e1m1, literally the first level, why don't the imps walk off the catwalk? There is no monster blocking linedef up there. They simply are unwilling to take a big drop

[halcyon willow]

Fully baked live updating lightmaps

Cowards

[azure nimbus]

Why does doomguy go "oof" when dropping off a high place

[velvet acorn]

ok man idk im not a big fan of doom idk much about the game i just did it for me as a challenge with a dead line of 1 week

[azure nimbus]

Why can I only shoot shootable switches from the appropriate height

[halcyon willow]

Skill issue

👅

[smoky anvil]

Lack of freeaim?

[azure nimbus]

If you don't know, then why are you arguing it?

[halcyon willow]

Anyways

[vale gyro]

Guy who made a source port here: Doom is 3D.

[azure nimbus]

Yes --> which means that my current height dictates where the shot lands

[velvet acorn]

because you are arguing too much for a concept that you understand

[vale gyro]

The end.

[velvet acorn]

i mean you read the title the idea is to make a short title nothing else

[halcyon willow]

What the fuck are you talking about

[finite crag]

3D or 1.5D (as Sandy calls it)...

DOOM is a game. A good game.

[azure nimbus]

Discord's ToS limits my response to "giving too much of an explanation for a thing you understand"

[finite crag]

But yeah I always called it 3D even if it is technically raycast

[halcyon willow]

Shady also talks a lot of bullshit lol

[finite crag]

I am well-aware of him being controversial lol

[vale gyro]

I don’t really call it a raycaster engine tbh

[halcyon willow]

Hence all the "hope you're doing well" from Romero

[finite crag]

ROMEROOO

I beat sigil 2 recently, he cooked again

[vale gyro]

Wolf 3D is much more of one

[finite crag]

I have not tried Wolf 3D yet

[azure nimbus]

I think he was just careless with his language. I mean the guy made map13 with all the tall buildings

[finite crag]

Looking at the list... Sandy has exclusively produced some of my less favorite levels in DOOM 1

D2 too

[vale gyro]

2.5D doesn’t make sense to me at all as that’s often referred to a 2D game in a 3D world (like Paper Mario)

1.5D makes zero fucking sense

[finite crag]

I was legit about to say that lol

[smoky anvil]

Idk i heard Sandy Peterson say that in a video somewhere

[finite crag]

I just thought '1.5D? What's that even mean, Sand?'

[azure nimbus]

2.5 D is a pretty terrible term. But it is used for games with 2 D physics and a 3 D camera to give the illusion of 3 D. Which...is the opposite of what doom does

1.5 D is good though. That should be on a shirt

[finite crag]

I always associated 2.5D with side-scrollers

[vale gyro]

Does that mean you can only move forward and backwards but in a 2D world?

[finite crag]

With DOOM? It has never even crossed my mind

[azure nimbus]

While it seems that we're pretty cleanly beyond "game is 3d", there is I think room to question how viable these classifications even are.

[gentle compass]

2.5d is a more apt description of modern shmups where no gameplay takes place on the Z axis but you can clearly see the depth of objects as they move to or from the gamespace

[finite crag]

I'm mostly concerned with 'if it's fun?'

[smoky anvil]

Yes

[finite crag]

Very much indeed

[vale gyro]

I consider a game of xD when a game takes zero consideration of an axis

Though that then breaks with games like Dwarf Fortress

[finite crag]

On my game I don't have to bother wondering about what dimension it is since I'm making it in Unity 3D

Engine name checks out

[azure nimbus]

Say we play a 2 player game. I submit three integers between 0 and 1. Then you do the same. I win if two of the three are the same and you win if two of the three.
So a round might look like (0,0,1) vs (1,0,1) --> (diff, same, same) I win.

Is that...a 3 D game because we're technically playing with 3 D vectors?

Or maybe minimal 3D requires a continuous variable for each dimmension? No, you could have 3d along a grid just fine

Doom is certainly 3d, but really pinning down a minimal nth dimmensional activity is complicated

[vale gyro]

Basically, DF does have a 3rd-axis, but is usually called a 2D game

And I have no clue how much it cares about the 3rd-axis it has

[gentle compass]

thats the fun with labels like this, people argue about the interpretation all the time

[finite crag]

1.5D

dunno what Sandy meant by that

[gentle compass]

I try not to waste too much brain power on figuring out what Sandy might have meant

Things you learn after a couple decades of classic Doom

[finite crag]

God point

[azure nimbus]

Everything he says has to be understood to be filtered through 30 years of not really messing with the code and in fact never really messing with the code cuz he didn't program it

[finite crag]

*Good point

He mostly designed some levels that were described by others as ugly

[azure nimbus]

Someone like Romero has been in touch with doom consistently. Sandy Peterson really hasn't

[gentle compass]

It's hard to remember all the things from that long ago I imagine, and yet Doom is still a hot topic in video game enthusiast circles

[finite crag]

And behind some infamous levels

[finite crag]

I know people who are not into video games (older people) but they have heard of DOOM

It's iconic stuff

My dad has even played Wolfenstein 3D in his younger years

(I have not tried it yet)

[smoky anvil]

i know a guy who thinks doom is a dead game lol

[finite crag]

Doom never dies as long as the universe is still not suffering heat-death

[smoky anvil]

exactly

[gentle compass]

I will give Sandy this, after 30 years of evolution in the video game industry, it would be hard for a level to age well at all, a lot of Sandy's levels haven't aged well sure, but that happens when you're on the cutting edge

Someone had to make the first city maps, after all

[finite crag]

https://tenor.com/view/avgn-wow-avgn-nintendo-power-wow-what-an-asshole-avgn-wow-what-an-asshole-avgn-react-gif-14849571

[azure nimbus]

Further, it's not even like the levels he made are universally disliked. A lot of his stuff are doom2 highlights. map13, 16, 6 (idk who made 7 but I think he did), 28, 27, unfortunately 30,

[finite crag]

I love map 8

[red harbor]

pretty sure the former was to save on ram lol

[red harbor]

so why do stairs exist then

[azure nimbus]

intellectually outpaced by stairs

[finite crag]

he left

[red harbor]

also the fact that enemies can aim up/down at you

[azure nimbus]

I always figured that Romero and Carmack couldn't figure out or didn't bother with it because it seriously complicates collisions.

What happens if you hit a corner? What happens if you land atop an enemy. Can you move? Does their movement interrupt yours Do you fall through and collide? Should you rotate as you slide?

Though I still don't know why lost souls stop when they are attacking and above an item. @vale gyro do you know what's up with lost souls?

[vale gyro]

Honestly, no clue

I can guess is that their collision’s fucked?

[azure nimbus]

D64 lost souls(I think) don't do that

[smoky anvil]

they also do that when they hit a linedef too

[vale gyro]

To be fair 64 used a much more heavily modified version of id Tech 1

[azure nimbus]

You sure? I might want to make a test map to try that out

[vale gyro]

I don’t recall them ever stopping like that

[azure nimbus]

I mean linedefs are everywhere. Lost souls are jank, but they're not completely useless

[smoky anvil]

i think they do, dont take my word for it

[azure nimbus]

I mean -- I do think that strictly speaking you're wrong. But I wouldn't be surprised if there's some other thing that explains the weird behavior that you have in fact seen

[vale gyro]

A lost soul stopping directly in front of the barrel of the rocket launcher I’m firing:

[smoky anvil]

it was either linedefs, corpses or both

[smoky anvil]

and they always know when im shooting rockets to get in my way

[azure nimbus]

Really makes you strafe as perpindicular as possible

[vale gyro]

Lost souls are fucking scary

So scary that they get absolutely nerfed in the later games.. for some reason

[azure nimbus]

Ugh I don't remember whose idea it was for them to charge. Cuz that was a late change. Was it Sandy? I remember he talked about it. But maybe it was hit saying he approved of the idea

They're scary in 2016 too. when they die they explode

in D64, they're even worse

[vale gyro]

Really?

Never noticed that tbh

[azure nimbus]

they fall and land then explode. So it's only bad if you're really close and not moving

Then again, maybe I'm misreading something. It might be my least played doom game?

[vale gyro]

64 and 3 for me

Not because I hate them, but because they hate me

[smoky anvil]

oh my god they are relentless

[azure nimbus]

I actually think them being too strong makes their appearances on average less threatening

Because they have to be used sparingly

[smoky anvil]

in 64 they have no cooldown on their attack so they will charge constantly

and the pain elementals are worse

[azure nimbus]

They also animate faster which influences their aggression

[finite crag]

real

I just beat d64 twice
I wonder if it was me or if they really were worse in this game

[finite crag]

uglier, too

I didn't even recognise them. Not even the spoopy bastards like they are in other games

[smoky anvil]

they shoot 2 lost souls and they explode on death

i hate them

[finite crag]

they suck indeed

D64 is my fav classic doom but it also reinforced my belief that lost souls deserve to be called ass souls

[gentle compass]

D64 PE's are def mean boys

[halcyon willow]

[red harbor]

ok im as much of a brutal doom hater as the rest of us but i do like that you can save some marines and they'll join you

[twin mortar]

"The rest of us" Brutal haters are the minority

[red harbor]

yeah true but most of the active users in this channel either havent shared their opinion (Schrödinger's Opinion) or are known to dislike it

[twin mortar]

There's a lot of shillers here

[vast reef]

my weird take on brutal doom is that it doesn't change enough

and that's why i don't like it

[red harbor]

they must be in other channels (or i simply havent seen them)

[twin mortar]

The latter

[red harbor]

ah

but yeah brutal doom is neat but i only see it as either a neat novelty or something for a "doom but its a military fps from the mid 2000s" modpack (and if you want that we have doom 3)

[twin mortar]

Brutal DOOM sucks!

[red harbor]

i can SEE why people like it but it just isnt my taste

i feel that it just fucks with the charm that the game has in it's gameplay

if you like brutal doom and prefer it's gameplay then i cant really argue with you but like, why?

[halcyon willow]

Fun fact: people who like brutal doom like it. People who don't like brutal doom .... don't like it

Shocking I know

[twin mortar]

Insightful

[vast reef]

funner fact: the only correct opinion is mine

[smoky anvil]

No way

[finite crag]

I never tried Brutal Doom actually

[vast reef]

u should try good mods like hideous destructor

[finite crag]

I don't use GzDoom

I'll see what else the KEX marketplace has got to offer

[vast reef]

why not </3

[finite crag]

I felt no need to get it really

[vast reef]

should check out some gz mods

might change ur mind idk

reelism 2 or guncaster or russian overkill or whatever

i downloaded gz bc i like the mother rpgs and there was a mod that added the psychic abilities from the games into doom

[twin mortar]

I might install GZ someday if I'm ever on a mod craze but right now I'm a purist occupied with the vanilla campaigns as they are so I don't really care

[vast reef]

i couldnt live without gzdoom i love my mods (project malice and zmovement) so much

[halcyon willow]

There are some iconic gzdoom mapsets as well

Something like Paradise or Lullaby are a must play

[red harbor]

zdoom physics

[vast reef]

idgaf abt physics when im a badass fucking dragon with a motorcycle and shit mowing down nazis and shit in a techbase with spaceships and shit

and shit

i mean if its vanilla yeah i care

[red harbor]

ok but when youre just playing standard doom the zdoom physics are still there

the exclusive mods are neat tho

[halcyon willow]

the only noticeable difference between gzdoom and prboom is the player's stickiness

[vast reef]

but if i have mods i barely notice bc theres much more significant changes to be noticed

[twin mortar]

Any difference will tick off a purist

[glad delta]

I only use gzdoom if REALLY needed

[halcyon willow]

i hate how prboom feels to play

but that's because i've used zdoom for 20 years

[glad delta]

like brutal doom and something like that

[red harbor]

me when im playing myhouse and the kinda distorted d_runnin track starts playing

[glad delta]

me when the weapon is centered

[red harbor]

same, i play vanilla-compatible stuff on dosbox or chocolate lol

[twin mortar]

If I set up GZ to play anything ever again it certainly won't be Brutal

Did that once, didn't enjoy my time so I don't wanna go back

[red harbor]

jokes aside myhouse is a fun wad

[glad delta]

the only brutal doom I really play is brutal doom platinum

and brutal pack (it's like doom eternal)

[twin mortar]

I don't really touch mods personally but I find myself having fun with Half-Life DOOM from time to time

[red harbor]

i only use brutal and other mods when i wanna play "doom but it's a military shooter from the mid-2000s" and im too lazy to download doom 3 from my steam library

[glad delta]

anybody heard about doom retro souceport?

[red harbor]

yeah, looks pretty neat from the little ive seen

[glad delta]

It feels like a enhanced classic port

imma try it some day

[red harbor]

havent tried it myself but looks like an interesting mix of woof and crispy

with some new stuff sprinkled on top

[glad delta]

The water moves up and down 🥹

[smoky anvil]

Has anyone played the WAD Doom Zero?

[red harbor]

i have it but i havent gotten around to playing it

[smoky anvil]

Give it a shot its pretty cool

[finite crag]

Me

[drifting oyster]

Yeah JPMobilityTweaks is amazing. Also Hideous Destructor, Immerse, Ugly as Sin...

I've barely played anything resembling normal doom since I started Hideous Destructor.

Oh, can't forget 10.5x and BigDoom.

[pine violet]

Working on some sort of ID Software lore rewriting project where I rewrite the lore of the ID Software games since most of them share a multiverse and restore cut content from said games

Is anyone here a fan of the Evil Dead? Cause one of my ideas was to take inspiration from that film for Doom's zombies since the film has people getting possessed by demons and the zombies in Doom are also people possessed by demons so like they'll laugh maniacally and roar and taunt the player they'll even oze blood when excited And I'll make them smarter since again they're just possessed by demons They'll throw a grenade to get you to run out of cover if they run out of ammo they'll run for cover before reloading also if you're shooting at them they may play dead and wait for you to get close and like in Evil Dead when you get close they'll either grab you and you'll have to mash interact or the attack button or they'll pull out a combat knife and stab you they can also use medkits and stimpacks. Yeah this probably affects balancing

They'll also eat whatever they kill like the Alien Grunts in Half-Life since the manual says the zombies do eat people

[red harbor]

shocktrooper if it was even better

the hell even is the lore behind those silly lil guys, are they just more zombies or like evil marines

ID! ADD SHOCKTROOPERS TO THE DARK AGES AND MY LIFE IS YOURS!

[pine violet]

For me not just the Shock troopers but also the other zombies

[red harbor]

wait like any LoR enemy being added to TDA would be awesome

[pine violet]

Agreed

[red harbor]

yeah true but the shocktrooper to my knowledge is a bit smarter than the other zombies (at least smart enough to grab all the plasma rifles in LoR)

[pine violet]

Reminds me of another change I'll make to not just Doom but also Quake

If you kill an enemy they WILL drop their weapon

So the zombie privates will drop their rifles, the lieutenant drop their machine guns even the Nazis drop their mp40 although they aren't possessed

[red harbor]

holy shit doomguy with a rifle (wait thats just brutal doom kinda)

[pine violet]

What's more like Brutal Doom is me adding reloadable weapons because I played Half-Life before Doom and I'm so use to pressing r to reload and I think it would help with the survival horror idea I'm going with

[red harbor]

yeah the main reason they didnt add reloading is because it creates unnecessary downtime during the action

for a survival horror concept you kinda want that

[red harbor]

by the lieutenant do you mean the shotgunners or the chaingunners

because they both drop their weapons on death

[pine violet]

A new enemy from realm667 that uses a machine gun

[red harbor]

oh that explains why i was confused

i dont keep up to date with new content (especially if it isnt in an official release)

no idea why people hate the first 2 levels of LoR though, theyre decently fun

like ive played better levels but theyre far from bad

[pine violet]

I also intend to add Doom 2 enemies into Doom 1 especially the ones that were supposed to be in Doom 1 but were scrapped

[pine violet]

I liked Scar Gate lol

[red harbor]

interesting idea

[pine violet]

So Revenants, Arch Vile's and Mancubi will appear

Along with a redesigned tougher chain gunner because of Knee Deep in ZDoom

[red harbor]

oh god the archviles (please put them in rooms where you kill a bunch of enemies, i love March of the Demons so much for that reason)

[pine violet]

I remember there's a spot in episode 2 where you see a mural of an Archvile and if you step on the floor directly in front of it you take damage

I intend to have that mural instead open like a door revealing an archvile

Along with unused enemies and the recycled enemies from Legacy of Rust so Ghouls, Banshee, Blobs and the unused flying imp variant that I'll call the gargoyle for now

I also wish to add more zombies so like zombie scientists who world s variety of weapons, zombie workers who also wield a variety of weapons and maybe a zombie dog though I'm considering not to have those since I love dogs

Will probably also add a variant of the zombies that have jetpacks and uses rocket launchers like the rocketeers in Knee Deep in ZDoom and a zombie variant that charges at you before exploding

Which will temporarily blind you cause there's now blood all over your helmet (this is in reference to how the Doom 1 manual mentions zombies exploding)

The battle against the Spider Mastermind will also be altered

For one she can now drop bombs like in Brutal Doom

For two she now has more attacks involving magic for instance summoning Arachnotron, Sentinels (a floating mini Arachnotron of some sort also from Realm 667) and summoning a giant energy ball of death as I like to call them using her psychic powers

Oh she also has an ability I call hemerage where she performs her magic attack animation slower than usual

And you need to find cover IMMEDIATELY otherwise you'll suffer a brain hemerage and die instantly

On the bright side when you kill her you can take her weapon the Super Chaingun and use it in Thy Flesh Consumed

[red harbor]

zombie dogs are not good boys, they do not go to heaven and they do not collect $200 when passing GO

[red harbor]

banshee zombie

[pine violet]

I remember when I suggested this idea someone compared it to the Beheaded Kamikaze from Serious Sam

[pine violet]

It's not their fault though they were just possessed by demons they're not in control of their bodies anymore

[red harbor]

does anyone know a good collection of level remakes (no im not asking for mapping fixes, im talking entire remakes of levels with added details and stuff)

[red harbor]

true, but chances are their souls got sent to hell already through the possession anyways

[pine violet]

I know a guy working on that it's called Ultimate Doom Facelift

[red harbor]

yeah ive seen that, sad that as of now its imcomplete

[finite crag]

brutal doom with map enhancements

[red harbor]

that mainly just adds a tiny bit of decor (with very rare actual additions like the helicopter in e1m1 or the expanded building height at the start of e3m1)

new textures is not a remake

also like, its brutal doom 💀

[vast reef]

knee-deep in zdoom, doom 2 redux, unfamiliar trilogy

knock urself out <3

[red harbor]

i like knee-deep in zdoom but god i feel like there's not enough ammo

might just be a skill issue though

[vast reef]

play on nightmare for double ammo idk :P

[drifting oyster]

Ultimate doom 2

[finite crag]

knee deep in knee deep in zdoom

[finite quail]

Does that make the city levels look like actual cities?

Something similar to the city test map in brutal doom

[drifting oyster]

never played that, but map 1 does, indeed

[finite quail]

Oh cool

I found a “smooth” doom wad I think if I pair up with ultimate doom 2 it’s gonna be good

[drifting oyster]

nice, yeah should be good

[finite quail]

I just did a little test

They work really nice together

[finite crag]

just got a free crt from craig lists its DOOM TIME

[vast reef]

i still like choppy doom more but i still love the fuck out of smooth doom, its main purpose for me is making vanilla weapons look less out of place when playing with more smoothly-animated enemy packs

[vast reef]

dude doom looks sooo fucking good on a crt

[red harbor]

even with just a filter it looks damn good

[finite quail]

yeah same, but this smooth doom enhances ultimate doom 2 a lot since they're vanilla esque

[red harbor]

yeah smooth doom is great for a vanilla+ config (or as vanilla+ as gzdoom can really be)

[icy umbra]

Where is this from

https://tenor.com/view/doom-cacodemon-pet-gif-11066561543147440045

[vast reef]

https://youtu.be/EgFeqoKqOE4

lt typhon

[icy umbra]

Oooh

[red harbor]

Watching this gave me a sense of dread that I could never try to describe. Thankfully it was never realized.

[lunar rune]

Like the person above said, LT Typhon, and the actual map is from Lost Civilization, MAP 03: The Farmlands pretty sure

[sterile rover]

looks great I should try it

[icy umbra]

Oh cool, so it’s a doom mod?

I meant to say where to get it

Would I find it by searching it

On google

[lunar rune]

LT Typhon can be installed from its Doomworld forum and Lost Civilization is also on its Doomworld forum

[icy umbra]

Ooh gonna look at it at some point

[red harbor]

guys, we need a farming simulator inside of doom

[finite crag]

ngl I can imagine doomguy playing that in his fortress

[floral bronze]

Anyone know some good mods to try for doom +doom 2

[vale gyro]

Overboard

[finite crag]

Sigil 2

Nuts.wad

That's all I tried

[vale gyro]

You didn’t try Sigil 1?

[finite crag]

I have

It's just free with DOOM+DOOM 2

like, pre-installed, comes with the package

[vale gyro]

Dunno why they did that tbh

[finite crag]

All other mods are free to of course, but need to be downloaded first from the marketplace

I'm also surprised that Sigil 2 has to be downloaded separately, it's almost as good if not better than Sigil 1 for me

[vale gyro]

It was released too late into development more than likely

[finite crag]

yeah

i only have not beaten legacy of rust and doom 2's master levels yet

[vale gyro]

I don’t think I’ll ever do LoR E2

[floral bronze]

I just got doom +doom 2 yesterday iam enjoying it

[vale gyro]

Nice

Doom 1 was the first Doom game I ever played

And is also my personal favorite

[red harbor]

PWADs or like GZDoom/DeHackEd stuff

because mods mean both of those

[vale gyro]

Well, they got it just yesterday, so assume stuff KEX is compatible with

[red harbor]

true

[vale gyro]

Also, DEHACKED is supported even in DOS

[red harbor]

in that case No End In Sight is a good wad

[vale gyro]

So, I do just suggest lumping that type of stuff more towards with normal PWADs

I usually just lump them based on complevel and/or port

[red harbor]

thats fair, i mainly included it with the GZDoom sort of mods because imo its a bit closer to that in functionality compared to levels

[vale gyro]

Also especially because basically all ports support DEH patches out of the box

And that most PWADs use them to rename levels

Anyways, I will now consider meaningless rant over

[twin mortar]

Yes, that's the case

I remember it being confirmed somewhere

[vale gyro]

alright

Need to get going though

[finite quail]

I’m playing the doom games in chronological order

I’m now at Doom II

[mortal silo]

Did you play Doom 3 first?

[red harbor]

i dont think anyone really knows when doom 3 happens

i wanna say it happens on 2016 and Eternal Mars but either way to my knowledge Doom 3 kinda got retconned

also unrelated but does anybody know how to get Ultimate Doom working on the gzdoom-rt fork? i wanna see how it looks there

[mortal silo]

Where is doom RPG in the cannon?

[vale gyro]

Probably nowhere

It was a spinoff

[red harbor]

in some weird alt universe that never gets mentioned outside of the doom rpg games

oh yeah alt universes are canon, meaning theoretically every pwad is canon to doom

[mortal silo]

When doom originally came out, it seemed you could be an anyman just about anywhere, but now I guess it's all just doomguy lore

[red harbor]

yeah even doom 2 had you playing as a different person according to the manual

but that was retconned with 2016 and Eternal

[twin mortar]

There's a year attached to the PDAs. I think it's 2146

[red harbor]

yeah according to my 5 seconds of research Doom 3 was in 2145 and 2016 was in 2149

so its possible they share the same universe

also a few demons look similar to their doom 3 counterparts

[mortal silo]

I hadn't heard the D3-2016 continuum theory but I like it

[finite crag]

after 64

[vale gyro]

Eh, there’s no real evidence for any timeframe

It’s a separate timeline

And with different characters, too

[twin mortar]

#classic-doom message

[finite crag]

Classic doom takes place in march 15, 2022

😍

[vale gyro]

I mean timeframe when compared to each timeline

If all were synchronized, that is

It’s stupid to go based off of a year when there’s evidence of those different timelines existing

and I doubt all of them started at the same time

Actually, ignore all of what I said

Mono apparently does think 3 does come after 64

I’m an ignorant fuck, I’m sorry

Anome, next time I enter an argument like this, tell me to fuck off, please

[twin mortar]

Calm down man you're being too harsh on yourself for making a good point

[vale gyro]

I’m just not a fan of confidently giving out false information

[twin mortar]

You didn't do it on purpose

[azure nimbus]

That's not true. Romero even tweeted about how the SNES manual crew made up a date.

[red harbor]

closest thing we have to a canon date tho (also kinda lines up with B.J Blaskowich being his grandfather)

[twin mortar]

Blazkowicz being his grandfather is a claim that has been made like 5 writing teams ago idk if it's reputable

[echo stream]

the BJ thing is probably not actually canon anymore but i choose to believe it simply because it's funny

[twin mortar]

I can get behind it if we're talking about a timeline where only Wolf3D happens from the Wolfenstein games

[echo stream]

how many wolfenstein timelines even are there
from what ive seen the timeline seems to change every other game

[twin mortar]

From the mainline games there's only really 4 major ones. Wolf3D, Wolf3D->RTCW->Wolf2, the modern games and then all of them comnbined

[finite crag]

I know

[red harbor]

if i had to guess (and based off the gba port alone) Doomguy is likely related to the BJ from the Wolf3D->RTCW->Wolf2

assuming Doomguy and BJ are still related

[twin mortar]

I'd rather they keep it to just Wolf3D, if they have to keep them related

[red harbor]

true, but my only evidence for my timeline guess is the GBA port of Doom 2 lol

[spice plank]

Hello

New here

haven't really spoken yet

[finite crag]

wish I could play psy Doom

but there's no legal way to obtain the iso file from the original psx Doom

[red harbor]

okay im not gonna suggest anything illegal, BUT it is basically abandonware that isnt being sold anywhere (outside of ebay and other marketplace sites) so legally you might be fine??? depends on if you wanna take the risk with such a legal grey area though.

also doom moderators please dont kill me for this instead ask bethesda if they can rerelease psx doom please im begging you to rerelease it

wouldnt recommend the risk unless youre so desperate that even Doom CE wont get you your PSX Doom fix tho

[finite crag]

DOOM PSX-only levels have been remade and released as free and legal mods iirc

[red harbor]

true

but there's specific things that cant really be done in vanilla (colored sections)

[azure nimbus]

The whole "such and such piece of tech can run doom" --- honestly I think it's overdone. Doom is run in C. It really doesn't take anything too crazy. But the thing is, even PSX barely runs it. SNES barely runs it. You need something approximating at least a 1990s computer to run the game well

[smoky anvil]

Didnt they run doom off of a potato or some shit like that?

[finite crag]

doom fans only know one joke

nudoom fans know two jokes

[red harbor]

calculator powered by potatos

[finite crag]

yep, calc powered by potatoes indeed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFDlVgBMomQ
Rotting potatoes at that

[finite crag]

Yeah I hear snes performance is crazy and not in the best way

tho I hear the most scorn for the Saturn port in terms of performance (3DO too but with a very small screen size its not too awful, and it has a killer soundtrack)

[red harbor]

in all fairness the engine WAS custom made (and it didnt have the super-fx chip afaik)

the 3do port was made in 10 weeks

i have no defense for the saturn port tho

[finite crag]

yeah I heard of the 3do story. Rebecca Heinnemann went all-in

And the guy behind Art Data was scummy, him providing a killer soundtrack did not change that

[finite crag]

And ngl it running completely on SNES is indeed a masterclass even if the end result is choppy. And I respect Becky's work on the 3DO port, she got done dirty by Art Data but still delivered something.

I hear that 32X port does not perform horribly outside of its flatulent soundtrack. And I'm curious on trying out Jaguar and PS1 ports myself

[finite crag]

I just use my own story

[eager blade]

Does anyone play doom 1993 on mobile?

[vast reef]

me hi

[vale gyro]

that's actually where I first played Doom 1, weirdly

[eager blade]

I can't get past the E1M4 😭

I'm playing on ultra violence

[finite quail]

are you playing in dos mode?

playing with no mouse is pretty hard for me

[vale gyro]

he's on mobile

[vale gyro]

the original DOS release had mouse support out of the box

[red harbor]

i have no clue where that myth came from

its literally in the setup page

[vale gyro]

people blazing through the setup

[red harbor]

there's an entire setting for mouse sensitivity in game

people are just blind

[vale gyro]

fun fact, if you delete your config file, the mouse is enabled by default

[eager blade]

How to play doom 1 on pc though? Do I have to buy it from steam

[vale gyro]

Steam or GOG

[eager blade]

GOG?

[red harbor]

if you want it legally either steam or gog will suffice

[red harbor]

good old games

[vale gyro]

there's tons of source ports the community has made

[eager blade]

Oh thanks

[vale gyro]

DRM-free storefront

[vale gyro]

and also the official one

[red harbor]

doom has had a history of lackluster rereleases though

[vale gyro]

yeah

don't use the official port

it fuckin' sucks

[red harbor]

best version was probably the unity version, since despite easy sr50 it was a perfectly fine way to play doom

the kex port is complete ass

randomly crashes, and the "accessibility" text option just SUCKS

[finite quail]

I played with wad commander on school laptop and mouse didn’t work maybe I did something wrong

[vale gyro]

WAD Commander uses the default settings

[finite quail]

That’s incredibly difficult I get it now

[vale gyro]

mouse is disabled when using the default config, unless you delete the config file

[finite quail]

lol..

I have been playing with no mouse and it has been a pain in the ass

[red harbor]

ok this might be just me since im newer to doom but the hell is a wad commander

[finite quail]

A website in which you can load wads I’m also pretty new to doom

[eager blade]

It is

[red harbor]

yeah keyboard only is a fun challenge run but its not really authentic, wasd + mouse was available

[vale gyro]

I actually did keyboard only for years

[finite quail]

Yeah I can’t do wasd also on wad commander but

I can’t play any shooter game without a mouse I just can’t I’m not built like how they were back then

[eager blade]

There's a friking joystick bug in the mobile version I can't even move if I try to speedrun

[vale gyro]

yeah, they fucked up the controllers in the last update and they'll never fix them

I suggest getting the game on PC if you can tbh

I can help you to set up a source port as well if wanted

[eager blade]

Sure

[vast reef]

gotta get used to strafe aiming

[vale gyro]

this

[vast reef]

like, moving urself to make aiming easier

but i played fps games on keyboard only for a bit before i did with a mouse so i think thats a thing idk

[coarse igloo]

Why accessibility settings are default enabled?
Some are not aware and without color palette effects you dont even see when the rad suit is out :/
Accessibility should be default off and only optional

also the massive black background at the font is rather ugly too

default setting should be how the original game was

[twin mortar]

Because people who these settings are for don't have the privilege of being able to stomach it up until they can enable them, while we can stomach it up until we can disable them

[coarse igloo]

but now so many play it that ugly and bad because new players have no idea. Not a fan of that :/

[twin mortar]

Do you have a source for "so many"?

Also doesn't the game literally tell you about the settings when you boot it up for the first time, giving you the option to disable them immediately on startup?

[coarse igloo]

https://youtu.be/xC00uhtp5c0
People like these dont know, they run the game first time and dont know that the default settings are bad

and its not very accessible either if you dont know anymore how long the radiation suit lasts

[twin mortar]

It might make it a bigger issue sure but a lot of people will take that over a green hue

[coarse igloo]

at least add a timer then somewhere
But overall the game is ugly without the palette effects and that massive black background around text

But the main issue is, people are just not aware. She never meant to disable these things, it just happened because it was apparently default enabled

[red harbor]

what if, get this, bethesda disabled some of the accessibility options (specifically the ones that dont really do anything)

god that would actually be great

like accessibility options are great but if you have the menu there on first boot then i dont see why you need to automatically enable everything

might just be me though 🤷

[coarse igloo]

LOL but the inverted monochrome of the invul is rendered? That makes no sense anymore 😄

[red harbor]

To be fair that's the one powerup where you really wanna know if it's ending or not

Radsuit too but to a far lesser degree

[coarse igloo]

say that to Blood LOL

I always hated how you cant see it at that game at all

[red harbor]

Haven't played Blood so I can't comment on its quirks

[coarse igloo]

you should. its a great game
but with nBlood, not the awful fresh supply port

[red harbor]

Same goes for any Build Engine game but I'm saving for Duke Nukem 3D once I get myself a new battery for my Switch

[sterile rover]

I’ve never known anything different to fresh supply so never saw the problem

[halcyon willow]

They're not. None of the common ports do this

Unless you count texture filtering in gzdoom

[coarse igloo]

she said she didnt change anything, so it was apparently default on 🤷‍♂️

[halcyon willow]

What port is she using, I don't recognise it

Which means it's nothing commonly used

The intermission text boxes do not look like this normally

[red harbor]

pretty sure he's talking about the kex port

but i could be wrong

[halcyon willow]

quite possibly kex as i haven't used it (and likely never will)

cool idea but man that port needs work

[coarse igloo]

its the current doom 1 + doom 2 port

[quaint raven]

what do you guys think of e2m6?

[coarse igloo]

so yes probably kex

The port is ok when this accessibility crap is off

[coarse igloo]

has good music and a nice fake exit

[quaint raven]

jusd died cruched pretty troll level

[coarse igloo]

ah I bet I know where 😄

where the chaingun is, right? XD

[quaint raven]

yeah

[coarse igloo]

that port is absolutely horrible

so many mistakes, its unbelievable

like they forgot to make the butchers being sensitive to fire attacks

[quaint raven]

huh just entered the room and i cant get out, door doesnt open for some reason

[coarse igloo]

there is a switch

where the imps/chaingun was

[halcyon willow]

what? fresh supply rocks

[coarse igloo]

nope, it has many many mistakes

nBlood is better, thats original

[halcyon willow]

fresh supply is a ton of fun

so much so i played it on extra crispy

ran smooth as well

[coarse igloo]

butcher arent sensitive to fire anymore
spray can can only reach first enemy in line anymore
There is a lot of things broken

nBlood gives you the same experience but in a not broken form

[halcyon willow]

nothing broke when i played it

[coarse igloo]

but its broken, i gave you 2 examples of many things

[halcyon willow]

port is good

almost 6k reviews, 95% positive

[coarse igloo]

when you dont know about the inaccuracies, then its probably "good"

[halcyon willow]

people care about what is fun to play and easy to get hold of. it's like caring that gzdoom makes it easier to punch arachnotrons

quality of life improvements are good

[coarse igloo]

nBlood is free, and you have the better game, try it 😄

nBlood has the same improvements

you wont miss anything

but therefore nblood is original

[halcyon willow]

what?

it's a port

not the original game

[coarse igloo]

it behaves original, fresh supply does not

[halcyon willow]

people can play what they want. fresh supply is good, the vast majority of people agree on that

[coarse igloo]

Its not good when you forget about weaknesses enemies have

[halcyon willow]

repeating things like a broken record isn't going to change reality

[coarse igloo]

its a bad port when even such basic things arent correct

[halcyon willow]

nope

[coarse igloo]

and there is zero reason to use an inaccurate port, when nBlood has absolutely the same improvements, so you wont miss out anything

[halcyon willow]

there's zero reason to play anything other than what you want to play

[coarse igloo]

of course there is

• You dont have to pay for nBlood
• port is accurate by not having to pay for it

[halcyon willow]

fresh supply is $10

not a cost

and nightdive is worth supporting

[quaint raven]

cope

[halcyon willow]

and you have to pay for the base game

[halcyon willow]

you got something to say?

[quaint raven]

yeah, cope

[coarse igloo]

https://steamcommunity.com/app/1010750/discussions/0/1644292444647662838/

Look here how broken it is

[halcyon willow]

?

[halcyon willow]

i don't care

i wouldn't play original dos doom either

[coarse igloo]

gzdoom isnt broken though

fresh supply is

[halcyon willow]

works fine

played through the whole thing no issues at all

[coarse igloo]

looks this list of inaccuracies and bugs

[halcyon willow]

there's a difference between "broken" and "i don't like the changes made"

anyway, this is the end of the conversation

[coarse igloo]

its not even changes, its just tons of oversights and the devs left it in a state of we dont care that its broken

Voodoo doll autoaim is broken, Caleb shouldn't take self-damage if a character is visible on screen (anywhere above the lower 25-30% of the screen)

or this. what the fuck man

Gill Beasts are too flame resistant to spray can (on the surface)

The Butchers require much more Spray Can ammo to kill. They were VERY vulnerable to Spray Can in DOS version tho. (4 units of ammo in OUWB on Well Done, 9-10 units in B:FS)

TNT has a larger blast radius

Spray Cans should shoot through multiple enemies

[...]

You can't reach the life seed and super armor in the secret on E2M1 inside the boat where you have to jump out of the water to grab them. It is just an example but this issue can happen on other maps and places as well.

[sterile rover]

as much as I like blood I dont really care about these things

[celest canopy]

should I play original roms of doom or remasters with aspect ratios in mind?

[mortal hound]

Guys

I need some help

[icy umbra]

in what

[halcyon willow]

original iwad in your port of choice (gzdoom, dsda doom, woof etc)

[red harbor]

by original roms do you mean something like DOSBox? if you want demo-compatibility and arent a full purist just use Woof or Nyan Doom (your choice)

[celest canopy]

whats with the widescreen remasters

[red harbor]

Nyan Doom is a fork of DSDA-Doom which is made for speedrunners (but can be used by anyone really), so its guaranteed to have demo-compatibility in all stable builds

Woof tends to be one of the first source ports to add new mapping formats though

[red harbor]

fan made modifications to the doom engine are typically referred to as source ports

[azure nimbus]

or even non-fan made ones can be

I'd say anything other than the original dos release is a port

[red harbor]

true

but theres like 4 main ports i can think of that are official

doom95, bfg edition, unity port, kex port

[twin mortar]

Idk if DOOM95 deserves to be on here it's not as influential as the rest

[glad delta]

bfg edition lmao

[twin mortar]

Yes the X360 port was influential

[finite crag]

Original PC doom 3 only had one port based off of it, the xbox one, and that one has cuts

BFG is the model for everything else

The xbox one - no, the xbox port, original xbox port lol

Just because the bfg edition on xbox got the xbox classic port of classic doom doesnt mean that the other platforms version ports are good

I never said that

influential, for beetter or wore

I like BFG edition but I am curious about trying out the original port

I was just playing Lost mission on nightmare mode... yeah I'm not getting into this without quicksaves lol

I think Veteran is 'just the right' difficulty for DOOM 3 BFG

wrong

There's no right difficulty for Doom 3

yeah why did I say that

my bad

I need to try it on Veteran actually, just realized. Wonder if it's worth getting the OG Xbox port

[twin mortar]

This is genuinely incomprehensible to me is this an alien language or something

[finite crag]

racism

[twin mortar]

It got a Mac port, I think a Linux one too

[twin mortar]

Not racism I just don't understand it

Maybe it's a skill issue on my end or something can you reword it

[mortal hound]

How i can save a raided server

But whatever

He already deletes it

[red harbor]

i dont think this is the place to ask

youre better off contacting discord support

[mortal hound]

Oh thank you

Just try to save a server I was on

[onyx shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-guy-dancing-car-meme-gif-17542560

[red harbor]

do revenants even bleed in the classic doom games?

[vale gyro]

Being shot? Yeah.
Otherwise, no.

[red harbor]

ah, wasnt sure since in the death sprites he doesnt bleed

[onyx shoal]

I don't think they do besides their basically skeletons

[coarse horizon]

It's like the least gorey death animation too second to the lost soul imo

[red harbor]

yeah the lost soul just explodes lol

[coarse horizon]

I think the bansee and the pain elemental also explodes

But then the Banshee is ment to be made out of blood, so...

I'm not sure

[red harbor]

banshee is a lor exclusive so who knows if that counts

but pain elemental bleeds during explosion

[coarse horizon]

Wait

Does it?

I mean it's mostly just one giant explosion with like 3 lost souls in it but i may miss/look over it

[twin mortar]

I'm fine with some deaths being weaker than others personally

In the heat of battle that stuff doesn't matter

[coarse horizon]

True

[finite crag]

umm

how many demons are in hell army

I wanna play lots of maps UNTIL I DESTROY THE WHOLE ARMY

I killed 3000 right now

[smoky anvil]

You would love sunder then, some maps have 3000+ enemies and thats on HMP

[quaint raven]

just beated e2m6 UV without saves, great level and i got the 100% of enemies and secrets without trying lolol, its was like the first time

[finite crag]

I know

how do I beat doom 2 downtown

[red harbor]

The arrow kinda helps

[smoky anvil]

shoot everything until they die

[finite crag]

I can cheat alot

by double jumping

using noclip

and god mode

[twin mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-walk-away-weirdo-touch-gif-26494423

Dirty cheater...

[finite crag]

I always play with god mode

I'm just scared

pinkys are scary with brutal doom in tight areas

[smoky anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/pedro-monkey-puppet-meme-awkward-gif-18054093961720321086

[finite crag]

so I don't have to worry about dying