classic-doom

[molten stratus]

Thanks for the help

[void hemlock]

np

[tulip garnet]

played the doom 2 master levels for the first time

this is WAY different than i was expecting

[chrome yarrow]

Are they Like Eternal's Master levels where its levels you've already done but they give you migraines instead of dopamine

[median cloud]

Nah theyre all new levels just very very bad

[chrome yarrow]

Ok

Normal Doom 2 already feels cruel with Cyberdemons around corners

At least they always give you an invincibility next to them

[lunar rune]

Yeah no almost all of them are absolute garbage not even made by ID Software

[azure nimbus]

Not being made by ID is fine. Just these levels aren't

[lunar rune]

I was just pointing out that it wasn't made by ID, because it's licensed under them

[void hemlock]

Nope, they’re custom maps made by the community that was published by id but IMO they’re BAD

[maiden haven]

Ive gotten all the doom games, what are the games in best order to play them? I beat Doom 1993 what is best next doom 2? Doom 64?

[vale gyro]

Doom 2’s probably a good idea to play first

[maiden haven]

Alr, so my order of games is doom 2 all the DOom 3 variations, then Doom 64

[finite crag]

I think doom 64 after 2 makes more sense than 3

[void hemlock]

Specifically IMO:

-> Doom 2 -> Doom 2: No Rest For The Living (don't play on Doom 3 BFG Edition, play on the Bethesda release in Doom 2) -> Doom 64 -> Doom 64: The Lost Levels -> Doom (2016) -> Doom Eternal -> Doom Eternal: The Ancient Gods Part 1 -> The Ancient Gods Part 2

Doom 3 is an oddball. Doom 3 isn't part of the main series. You can play that whenever you want ig.

[maiden haven]

is doom 2 no rest for the living on steam?

I got the steam bundle

[void hemlock]

It's part of the addon's section in Doom 2 on the modern re-release

You can play the modern re-release with this option when launching through steam

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/742263707253342289/1255191718156963890/image.png

"Play DOOM II"

[maiden haven]

I picked that one yes

[void hemlock]

alright, just go to the add-ons section and find No Rest For The Living, download that, and play it after you complete base campaign Doom 2

[maiden haven]

Are the add-ons safe? I have very bad anxiety and dont want any kind of malware

it says "Play at your own risk" so thats very deturing

[void hemlock]

the add-ons are only ones that bethesda puts on there, so of course they are

[maiden haven]

Alr thanks

[void hemlock]

it's because they're not made by bethesda, but don't let that entice you to not play them

for example one good add-on (I should say WAD, that's the correct term and I hate saying add-on all the time) is Doom Zero for Doom 2

[vale gyro]

Even if you’re using a community port besides the Unity port, any WAD on iDGames should be safe

[chrome yarrow]

They're all really good

TnT Evililution and The Plutonia experiment were sold by ID themself

[void hemlock]

I found TNT really mid and the difficulty swing is really odd between maps

also yes they were sold by id but they were not made by id

[azure nimbus]

Every stuff not posted to idgamesarchive like doomworld is usually fine. The sites are well moderated, authors earn reputation, comments give a sense of what it is, and you should only download zips, wad files or pk3s unless you're downloading a port. ports get so much usage that we should feel safe with those two. Custom doom has less bloat than official stuff

[vale gyro]

Rars are also common for some GZDoom mods

[molten stratus]

@void hemlock

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1229216943668723775/1255238054365499525/Screenshot_20240625-160402.jpg?ex=667c6709&is=667b1589&hm=a37ba581c7f74f8492dd18ecd74570c4517de0a7bf65b7221009c6eb9710fe67&

I founded the plasma rifle

[void hemlock]

Alright good, just keep it in handy when you see any more spider or cyberdemons

[strange ingot]

Random question but why does it seem like the BFG doesn't always hit stuff close in front of you? Like it might miss 1 to 3 enemies out of 10.

Usually it happens when when I try to splode a bunch of enemies in front of me. Also it seems like they need to be visible to you for the AOE.

So you can't just shoot it then take cover.

And you can't shoot it then turn away from the enemies.

Some interesting programming behind that gun. Still very useful, but I question the programming.

[finite crag]

rng

[strange ingot]

Does it hit all the enemies but some survive or do some enemies not even take damage sometimes?

[finite crag]

they all take damage

some take less because of splash

or its just because its randomized for each monster

[strange ingot]

I see, and the explosion isn't traditional huh?

Not like the rockets.

Seems very "visible ray trace cone"

[finite crag]

yeah

[strange ingot]

Alright, I wonder why they would code it like that lol, but it's fine.

[lunar rune]

So basically the BFG has no explosion when it fires. The projectile does 100-800 damage. Then, once the projectile collides with something, 40 invisible tracers that do 43-87 damage shoot out.

These tracers are why you can 2 shot Cyberdemons and 1 shot Spiderdemons from up close

[void hemlock]

this will explain everything
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsCqLQJ1EOc

[azure nimbus]

it's not rng. You migth want to check out a video on how the bfg works and read this #classic-doom message

[azure nimbus]

49 to 87

[azure nimbus]

none of what you said is true: BFG has no splash. It's not randomized "per monster". It's random per tracer. And has no explosion\

[strange ingot]

Oh ok thanks guys

[azure nimbus]

it's basically a delayed shotgun effect

[strange ingot]

It's a glorified shotgun

[azure nimbus]

The direction you face when firing matters, but the tracer effect with the majority of the damage will occur after. your initial angle matters. But you can face any direction when tracers land.

What you can do with cover is shoot your own wall/cover, then pop out for the tracers to activate

there's a lot of glory to it

[strange ingot]

Ehem* glorified super shotgun

[strange ingot]

That last bit you mentioned is clever

[azure nimbus]

for viles in particular, you have time to do that twice before they'd be able to attack

[strange ingot]

A lot of times I'll take damage when fighting a bunch of mancubi

[azure nimbus]

think about the damage proportion: the main blast does 2000+ damage. the ball, maybe 500?

prioritize moving to their left(usually your right). Their second burst fires a shot very far to their right

[strange ingot]

Alright and how much HP does a mancubus have?

[azure nimbus]

Try loading up dead simple. Play strafing counter clockwise, and once clockwise. You'll notice that it's easier ccw.

Manc's have 600 HP. About 3 ssg's worth

[strange ingot]

Yeah that's about right. I also noticed sometimes my shotgun goes through enemies

[azure nimbus]

That has to do with the blockmap

[lunar rune]

Bit better than I remember lol

[strange ingot]

Ha I just noticed how you're a BFG ball enthusiast with your pfp

[azure nimbus]

The map is split into lil squares. Hitscan(pistol, shotgun, ssg, chain, bfg) use this to determine what they hit.
The path of the bullet is tracked and the game asks "what blocks will it travel through?" Then, it iterates through every object within those blocks. But a monster is only considered within a single block -- the one with their origin/center. But in reality, a monster's hitbox may occupy several blocks. So if your bullet pierces a monster's hitbox but never crosses the block that their origin is in, it will not connect. You can prevent this by firing diagonally as you'll by more likely to hit more blocks.

[strange ingot]

Oh ok, very old school

[azure nimbus]

Projectiles do not work this way. Projectiles always work

[strange ingot]

I assume current mods probably patched this

[azure nimbus]

well -- actually projectiles can go through walls on occasion but it's a different reason

[strange ingot]

Ah that's a bit annoying with mancubi rockets

[azure nimbus]

mbf21 might've? GZ doom "fixes" it. But bugs in doom are just considered part of the game and not things to be fixed

[strange ingot]

I mean it hardly makes the experience unfun, but I would tweak it personally

[azure nimbus]

Those go through just because their speed is high enough such that at frame N they're behind the wall and on frame N+1, the fireball is fully on the other side of the wall. The game doesn't do quarter step checks like mario64. Again, this can be prevented with diagonal walls

fireballs through walls I'm almost certain is fixed in mbf21

[strange ingot]

Hmm, so different sized enemies take up different amount of blocks?

[azure nimbus]

that's why larger enemies are the most likely to cause blockmap issues

arachnos or spiderdemons can easily occupy several blocks at once

[strange ingot]

This whole block thing has something to do with chainsaw glitches too

I bet I mean

[azure nimbus]

yeah chainsawing large enemies is very related

[strange ingot]

Chainsawing diagonal helps I think

But that means I have to keep turning simultaneously

Because each cut resets my angle to the enemies origin

But yeah when chainsawing enemies, it did seem like enemies have box collision rather than cylinder like unreal did.

[azure nimbus]

pretty sure it's boxes

[finite crag]

whats a good wad for modern doom sounds (2016 onwards)

[azure nimbus]

there is a ton of strategy out there for chainsawing big enemies but I never really got into it

[strange ingot]

I just save my strong weapons for the big guys, it hardly causes me to run out of ammo.

Would be fun to be grab an invincibility and berserk all the big guys though.

[vale gyro]

any things I should know for Scythe 2 map24?

[lunar rune]

If I remember, it has the most Revenants out of any other map

[vale gyro]

well, damn

Scythe 2's 5th episode has been totally unfun already

guess it's just gonna be even worse, then

[vale gyro]

screw it, save scumming time

I'm sick of E5

[strange ingot]

noooo 😦

enjoy doom 😦

[vale gyro]

I want to

but E5 has been such a headache and I just can't

I've been forced to scum this entire time

[strange ingot]

ok that's fair

I mean i haven't even tried it so i wouldnt know

[vale gyro]

episodes 1-4 have been totally fair and there had been maybe a map or two at best where I had to save in the middle of the map because I was struggling

E5 is known for it's massive difficulty spike

and I got hit like a semi truck first map

[strange ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/never-give-up-fist-pump-motivation-motivational-gif-4892451

I did look at some scythe maps on youtube... and just the thumbnails alone, there just looked liked there was waaaay too many enemies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gR5LL6FIAv0&pp=ygULZG9vbSBzY3l0aGU%3D

[vale gyro]

ok

it's done

only died on the final fight once surprisingly

gonna be mad at myself for having to scum through E5

[hexed escarp]

all of scythe 2?

[vale gyro]

no

map24

[hexed escarp]

ah

[vale gyro]

I'm sick and tired of E5 to be honest with you

I got one more map and then onto E6

I'm honestly just gonna allow per-arena scumming for Scythe 2 at this point

if E5 is this bad, no doubt E6 is gonna be worse

[hexed escarp]

i wouldnt call it scumming if you are doing it per arena

by my definition, it only becomes savescumming if you are saving mid-fight

i really enjoyed episode 5

but i was saving before pretty much each arena

but if im having fun who cares

[vale gyro]

I liked all the episodes before E5

Scythe 2 actually felt fun before it

[hexed escarp]

yeah ive loved all of scythe 2 for the most part

im not liking map29, i kinda stopped playing for a while because it was immediately frustrating

too much damaging floor

but i just need to will through so that I can get to map30

but yeah tbh i think saving a bit more will just be more enjoyable for you

[vale gyro]

yeah, probably

I'm gonna take a break from it and maybe play some of Doom 2 Reloaded

see if that's something I'd like

[hexed escarp]

you should try Eviternity if you liked scythe 2. Very similar vibes imo, but much more modern

[vale gyro]

and I'd suppose 10x harder?

[hexed escarp]

nop

it starts at a similar low difficulty but never really breaks into the slaughter type stuff you see towards the end of scythe 2

well a tiny bit in the last episode

but it never gets that ridiculous

i think everything scythe 2 map23-27 is harder than anything in eviternity

although a couple eviternity maps are stupidly long so you will want to use saves on them

stupidly long in a good way though

so yeah i wouldnt say its easy but it definitely doesnt get as bad as scythe 2

[vale gyro]

oh

oh, ok

yeah, might try it out then

after I finish Scythe 2 and Doom 2 Reloaded

[hexed escarp]

Eviternity is my favorite megawad

and its sequel is up there as well

i think for me the list goes 1. Eviternity 2. Scythe 2 3. Eviternity 2 4. Plutonia

eviternity 2 and scythe 2 are very close

[vale gyro]

that reminds me

I'd need to play Scythe 1 at some point

I actually never played it and went straight for Scythe 2 due to it's shorter episodes

[hexed escarp]

scythe 1 is interesting

episode 1 is easier than knee deep in the dead

[vale gyro]

seriously?!

no what, I gotta see this now. That sounds hilarious

[hexed escarp]

episode 2 is very fun, somewhere around plutonia difficulty maybe

sometimes

sorta somewhere around doom 2 and plutonia

[vale gyro]

ok, so large difficulty spikes?

[hexed escarp]

not that large

plutonia isnt that difficult

[vale gyro]

well, it goes from easier than the first episode to the hardest IWAD in a single episode

[hexed escarp]

oh yeah definitely difficulty spike between episodes

then episode 3 is like episode 5 of scythe 2

sorta

[vale gyro]

jesus

[hexed escarp]

the first couple maps are more about resource starvation

ok maybe not quite episode 5 of scythe 2

well maybe towards the end

but yeah the difficulty spikes a lot between episodes

i have only played the first 3 maps of the last episode

maybe il finish it eventually

episode 2 is very fun though

all of the maps in the whole megawad are very short

[azure nimbus]

just take a break after map25 lol

[vale gyro]

just got on 25

taking a break after 24

[plush tundra]

Y’all should try adventures of square

[vale gyro]

I might

sucks it needs GZDoom, though

[plush tundra]

Why does that suck?

[vale gyro]

I don't particuarly like GZDoom

I'm nitpicky as hell and GZDoom has always felt off to me

[plush tundra]

Ah

[lunar rune]

I've played it, it's good, nothing much else to say

[celest coyote]

it's only save-scumming if you do it mid-fight. Pre and post-fight saves are not scummy

feel free to save through scythe 2, it does get hard

[median cloud]

Yeah I played sunder under the same settings, saving between fights
Nothing wrong with that haha

[lunar rune]

Played Sunlust like that, I think it's a fair way to play

[noble root]

does d1 have logs or something ?

or is it just gameplay and ending

[finite crag]

logs?

elaborate

[acoustic plover]

I love classic doom but my least favorite moment is picking up ammo for rockets when you were empty and auto-switching to it, firing a rocket right in your face.

[royal iron]

im stuck on Perfect Hatred 💀

[acoustic plover]

I just realised, is the super shotgun the only weapon in classic doom you have to reload?

[noble root]

like essays and things that explain the lore

[vale gyro]

well, I suppose so

[noble root]

bruh

[azure nimbus]

there are secrets but they store items. In custom content, certain mapmakers put story adjacent things in them sometimes. But there are no collectables or text really

[noble root]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5OdQYASIPQ

do yall know where the beginning of the vid comes from ? the part where it talks about davoths creation

is it in the novels or something

[celest coyote]

It’s not that deep bro

[mighty walrus]

Lolz, the amount of times this has happened to me is embarrassing. Usually it's when I'm cornered by multiple demons and that's like the only weapon I have left other than punching them a million times.

[naive dawn]

w

[mighty walrus]

P.S. That's a good observation about the SSG, and yes

[naive dawn]

huh

mb i meant to say classic DooM is a w

[vale gyro]

anyone know good midi packs for those WADs that don't have custom music?

[storm tapir]

wait until you reach e4m6 if you don't know the secrets

[vale gyro]

screw horizontal auto aim

I just facerocketed myself twice in a row due to it

[mighty walrus]

Ha! Omg Against Thee Wickedly is awesome

[storm tapir]

Yeah but that map is so much harder without the soulsphere and plasma secrets haha

[mighty walrus]

Yeah absolutely that

[mighty walrus]

The Cyberdemon in the tight space tho😭

[storm tapir]

I love standing on the stairs and wasting all cells on it for no reason

painless telefrag? Nah uh

[mighty walrus]

Sometimes I just be jumping down off the ledge to get away from that MF'er for a minute lolz

[storm tapir]

I was replaying Plutonia after not touching it for like 5+ years, Kept jump scaring myself expecting much harder traps than there were actually were. Actually causing myself to lose extra hp for no reason just to play "safe" lol

"Oh god no the cyberdemon at the exit in map10 is going to kill me now".. there is no cyberdemon there

[mighty walrus]

LMFAO

[storm tapir]

just an easy run in circles exit lol

[mighty walrus]

I should replay Plutonia tonight

[storm tapir]

Just remember, There is no cyberdemon in map10.. Or is THERE!?

I think it had one in MP

wait I meant map9 not 10 the entire time

map10 is annoying but not the map I was thinking of

[mighty walrus]

Do people still do MP for the og's?

[storm tapir]

Vanilla wads? I don't know

[mighty walrus]

I'm thinking about Perfect Hatred now. That one is short but sweet

[storm tapir]

Oh now it makes sense, I was probably expecting MP monsters instead of just the sp ones

[mighty walrus]

Ahhh yeah

Scared yourself did ya?

[storm tapir]

Eh I didn't die to any mobs

didn't stop myself from miswalking into the unescapable pit for no reason after killing everything

[mighty walrus]

lulz

[mighty walrus]

Dude also, Lost Souls don't get enough hate. They're like mosquitos

[storm tapir]

I don't hate them

now chaingunners on the other hand..

[median cloud]

Yea the cyber is mp only

Or iirc the psx final doom version has one

[storm tapir]

it is kinda funny because the cyber just stands there and you can snipe him before even entering the room. his absence just made me think he was going to warp in and cause mayhem at any moment lol

[mighty walrus]

Chaingunners are so satisfying to shoot tho

[soft ether]

wait doom has novels?

and has anyone got any tips for fractured worlds? ive spent two days on the first map, unsucessfully

💀

[azure nimbus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdMUKhlh_Q4&list=PL6z3JwchtJUEHeZ5NXIloQyg60sNfh1VZ full playlist

[soft ether]

are you playing on controller

if so, you're doing 10x better than i am on mnk

or are you using like keyboard only>

[vale gyro]

wouldn't be keyboard only, turning speed's too fast

[azure nimbus]

this is all controller gameplay

the only map I've beaten on mouse and key is nosp2 map16 specifically

[vale gyro]

I honestly expected you to have used m&k

[azure nimbus]

I had just always played console games and never really got smooth with mouse and key(it also hurts my hand to use a mouse for a while). That one level was when there was discussion about banning controller for speedruns. While I don't submit stuff most of the time, I try to play by the rules. That map i beat while that discussion was happening. Eventually it was decided that controller was fine as long as you only use one per run same runs with commentary ^ ||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFobQuSwq98&list=PL6z3JwchtJUHPu95yxeVGs01-xv5IGYSc||

[molten stratus]

@void hemlock it's too hard

Every map I'm dying

DZ it's Hard asf

[void hemlock]

I warned you

[molten stratus]

😭

I don't want to stop, but I can't proceed

What should I do?

[vale gyro]

you already saving?

[molten stratus]

Not really

I'm on half of the game

[vale gyro]

I'd say just save per-arena

less progress lost per death

[molten stratus]

Wdym

[vale gyro]

basically, after every fight, you save

never in the middle of one, though

[molten stratus]

I'm every moment doing that

[vale gyro]

oh

[molten stratus]

They put me to fight against caco demons, barons of hell and all the Shit

[vale gyro]

seems like a tuesday for me after playing through as much of Scythe 2 as I've had

curious, what WAD you playing?

[molten stratus]

Doom zero

[vale gyro]

never played it so I wouldn't know if infighting would help at all

[molten stratus]

Np, I'm every moment without ammo

And they put me in so many boss fight with no ammo

[vale gyro]

yeah

do infighting as much as you can, then

[molten stratus]

SSG it's saving me for a little bit

I need BFG

I didn't get it yet

[vale gyro]

well, I don't exactly know what to say to help

as I said, never played it

I usually try to cause as much infighting as possible to save ammo in most maps where I know I'll need it

[molten stratus]

I'm like in the 12 map

And there's 30

[versed quest]

Fun fact: this doom game released 1 year ago

[molten stratus]

Doom zero?

[stone canyon]

anybody want to play some doom

[lunar rune]

Playing through DZ rn as well, there's a secret BFG in map 08, Module Base

[molten stratus]

I think I already did this map but I didn't find anything

[versed quest]

The first game was Doom 2
Doom 2016 was meant to be a prequel to Doom 2
Bethesda eventually released unused Doom 2 levels and simply called it Doom, the unreleased Doom 2 build was published under the permission of id of course.

[versed quest]

Just to clarify, all of this is made up

[median cloud]

I was right btw psx final doom has a cyber

I love the psx versions of doom

Maybe even more than the original

[lapis wolf]

Nah

[shy frost]

yo guys

i have a question

what is the most playerd version of zandronum? 3.1 or 3.2?

i would like to play the floppy disk multiplayer mod yk its funny af

[median cloud]

Id download doom explorer and let it install zan for you

Otherwise I think 3.1 is the most recent one

[shy frost]

oh ok thanksss

it tell me to choose

archive core only, archive for 64 core only and installer bundled with doomseeker

what should i choose?

nvm its all oky now 🙂

[acoustic plover]

If there is RNG to the way enemies move, how do demo files perfectly repeat it?

[azure nimbus]

Doom is deterministic. Every time an RNG call is made, it takes the next number in the random digit table. In a demo, the table will start from the first entry every time

In a demo, all these RNG calls are being made in the same order and therefore asking for RNG at the same index of the table.

[acoustic plover]

Does that mean an enemy makes the exact same decision on a given frame every time you play?

[chrome yarrow]

New 2nd least favorite map

Map 16 from Doom 2

[azure nimbus]

given that you made the same inputs and started on the same seed.

It's not the frames that determine the RNG index. The RNG index advances every time RNG is called. So a fully static map would never advance the table.

[median cloud]

Really? One of my favs 😮

Outside fight goes hard

[daring ferry]

And the first?

[chrome yarrow]

E3M7

[daring ferry]

Limbo?

[chrome yarrow]

Yep

[daring ferry]

Why?

[chrome yarrow]

I get lost really bad

[daring ferry]

Ah. That makes sense.

[chrome yarrow]

And there's so much damaging floors

[daring ferry]

That is a good point. I guess it never bothered me too much?

From my experience, the quicker you go, the easier it becomes.

[azure nimbus]

on occasion, doing a playthrough with nomonsters helps to learn the map

[daring ferry]

I usually do nomonsters to practice a speedrun.

I'm total garbage at it though.

[storm tapir]

It uses psuedo random (Basically things will repeat if all events that use randomization happen again in same order), usually players have enough variance in their gameplay that they won't feel how it works and assume it is using true randomization

Or if you use a port that replaces the way randomization works (Breaks all demos)

[daring ferry]

Like, I'm proud of my 12 second run of E1M1 if that says anything.

[storm tapir]

Just compare yourself with your previous runs unless you are competing for top 10, it is just extra stress for no reason to try and hit world record times casually

Unless you love suffering of course, but if you do maybe speedrun e4m6 or any plutonia map instead 😛

[daring ferry]

Lol.

[storm tapir]

Or Sunder

[daring ferry]

I just do runs against my friends mostly.

Sometimes we'll pile all our old computers into our vehicles and go up to my cabin.

[storm tapir]

Do you use SR40 and 50?

[daring ferry]

yes I do.

Not on E1M1.

Not enough room half the time.

[vale gyro]

that's fine

[daring ferry]

I have a plan to do so in about a week. I'll need to bring a big ol' box fan probably. 8 386 machines going at the same time will heat up that place real quick.

[median cloud]

Yeah Limbo is horrible on first playthrough

[celest coyote]

Think of Doom like a giant pachinko machine of inputs that cascades down one of the billions of “pre-determined” paths you could take and would change the pattern of the game’s entire experience.

Life has many doors, Ed boy

If you used the exact same inputs, the game would respond exactly the same. It responds seemingly organically but you’re actually shifting through multiple pre-determined paths with every turn of the mouse and press of a key

Which one results in victory…only one way to find out

[acoustic plover]

I think I realised why I'm not a big fan of doom 2's new sprites mixed in with doom 1's

It's cause they're all just brown

Doom 1's enemies are bright pinks, greens, etc

(I know it's not the case) but it almost feels like doom 1's sprites are 8 bit and doom 2's are 16 bit, they're weirdly smoothed out and not as stylised

[daring ferry]

Pinkys are still pink though.

Or should we call them "Brownies"?

[acoustic plover]

Yeah because they're a doom 1 enemy lmao

That's my point

[azure nimbus]

archviles and knights are probably the easiest monster to confuse. Revs are red though

[acoustic plover]

I don't know, for the most part revs are grey and brown...

The chaingunner's probably the best addition, aesthetically

[storm tapir]

Chaingunners are all the red you'll ever need

So red your screen also turns red

[jovial valve]

Have any of y’all played “my house.wad” it was pretty fun but short I killed the demons got the keycards and left

Cool house though was fun to look around

[daring ferry]

I'm personally wondering how the hell they managed to have rooms on top of each other.

IT SHOULDN'T WORK!

[azure nimbus]

even older maps on full vanilla can pull off limited room-over-room like scythe2 map01

[daring ferry]

I'm just trying to figure out how some kid made that though.

[lunar rune]

Myhouse.wad does it in an easier way though, there's 28 copies of the house, the upper floor and lower floor being different sections.

They use portals to teleport you from upper floor to lower floor

You don't notice the portal, you would if the automap wasn't blanked out

[daring ferry]

I noticed a door that was open on one side of it, and after walking through to the basement, it was closed.

[lunar rune]

Yeah exactly

It's not open in the other part of the map

[daring ferry]

I think it rather silly that people were freaking out about the map though.

[azure nimbus]

heartland hs lots of RoR

and strikes a nice balance of vanilla

[lunar rune]

I have a firm belief that B.P.R.D is the one who made myhouse.wad

[daring ferry]

He seems like one to do such.

I dunno what else he made other than "nuts" and its sequels though.

[lunar rune]

He made The Mucus Flow, Grove, and Equinox, very influential wads

[daring ferry]

Ahhhhh. Grove. It's been a while since I last played that lol.

Lol. I was messing around all over my old hdd, and I found a .wad called "CUTEBUTT.WAD"

It was made in 2016... Quite a treat.

It's got Hit The Lights by Metallica as the soundtrack.

[acoustic plover]

So, I only just realised the shotgun has a sight on the back, and isn't actaully flat-sided...

I've ALWAYS seen it as being like, hexagonal barrelled

[azure nimbus]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Doom/comments/14mee47/so_heres_a_neat_tidbit_most_of_dooms_weapons_are/?rdt=63062 the toy it was based on has that sight

[chrome yarrow]

I could listen to the SSG sound jn Doom 2 for hours

[acoustic plover]

Here's how I saw it until now: https://i.imgur.com/Yp5VwtB.png

[acoustic plover]

What are some of the best custom enemies, that fit into the vanilla enemy type?

I saw a hell knight style enemy that flies in some wads, which seemed cool and felt like it fit

[azure nimbus]

Cybruiser is super common -- but is used in slightly different ways. Maybe he'll shoot 3 rockets, maybe a weaker rocket, maybe a chaingun too. Maybe he's blast resistant maybe not. That and a weak flyer are pretty common

[trail geode]

I don't know why, but I find Nightmare difficulty fun to play because I can just stay in one place and kill demons that respawn.

Kinda like whack-a-mole.

[young isle]

is classic doom worth playin

[hard wolf]

I feel a sense of deja vu.

Yes

It's worth playing to help contextualise the later continuity, but not essential.

There is however a huge modding community, which can be an insane amount of fun.

[young isle]

I mean is it fun

[hard wolf]

Classic Doom? Or modding?

[azure nimbus]

yes

[young isle]

Classic

Just the vanilla game

[azure nimbus]

the original levels do hold up. Though the mechanics and elements of the design philosophy that motivate custom content are the real star. Still, the original levels are still worth your while.

[hard wolf]

I enjoy it, I still play it almost every day, thirty years on.

[molten stratus]

I'm in DZ, someone can help me?

[hard wolf]

What's DZ?

[molten stratus]

Doom zero

It's a Addon

[storm tapir]

Yes but you don't have to stop at the default mapsets (IWADS), the community has decades of great maps online. You could get lost for all eternity playing doom maps!

[upper crypt]

I can help

[woven wasp]

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/132011-gregs-gargantuan-gadventure-of-glory-gaffes-and-garbage-v065-several-fixes-for-map09/

[molten stratus]

Great, I need help in map 11

[upper crypt]

The city level aright, what's the problem

[molten stratus]

I can't find the exit, I already killed all the demons

[upper crypt]

What keys do you have?

[molten stratus]

Blue and yellow

I didn't find it a red door

[upper crypt]

Give me a sec

[molten stratus]

Add me, I'll send some screenshots later

[upper crypt]

The exit is in the room with the cyberdemon

[molten stratus]

Where is that?

[upper crypt]

The building to the left of the yellow door

also the red key is for a secret

[molten stratus]

Alr, thanks 👍

[upper crypt]

Do you already have the BFG?

[molten stratus]

Not yet, they said I can find on map 8 but I can't find it

[upper crypt]

Did you already beat map 11?

[molten stratus]

No sir

[upper crypt]

Go to the blue key building and go up stairs and youll find a bookshelf

[molten stratus]

I guess I already get all the secrets from there

The skull and the Secret room

[upper crypt]

There's a BFG in that wooden room

[molten stratus]

I'll search for it

[upper crypt]

Send a pic of the map

[molten stratus]

Later, I have some stuff to do rn

Add me

[plush tundra]

Playing doom wads has to be the most confusing thing I’ve ever come across. I must be doing something wrong because I am having so many issues that I’m considering deleting all the gz doom files and stuff and starting from scratch with doom 1 and doom 2 wad files

[azure nimbus]

it's behind the arachnotron that you killed. The teleporter by the arachno is really for deathmatch

[celest coyote]

One of the best things I did to make things easier was to download ZDL, which is a doom launcher that helps get all your ducks in a row for your dooming experience with a choice of source port, iwad, and pwads as well as access to other command lines before launching the game itself

[plush tundra]

Okay. Cause a problem I’m having is whenever I launch doom 2 wad with gz doom it launches like doom 2 but instead of doom 2 levels it’s doom 1 levels except there isn’t thy flesh consumed

[celest coyote]

Sounds weird

[vale gyro]

yeah, see if reinstall works

[celest coyote]

Yea a reinstall might be best

[vale gyro]

part of the reason I don't main complex ports like GZ

they're bulkier and the more complex something is, the higher the chance it can break

[plush tundra]

It’s probably also because I’m using a version of gz doom I downloaded like a year and half ago

[celest coyote]

yea you gotta update that stuff

[viscid jay]

Playing doom 2 and trying to finally beat it…

[mighty walrus]

My fave Doom

[viscid jay]

I’m on map 27 now

[mighty walrus]

Ohhhh I love Monster Condo sm

[lunar rune]

Real, Monster Condo is so underrated

It's atmosphere is amazing with the song

[viscid jay]

Where’s the red door?

[mighty walrus]

YES!!

[lunar rune]

Did you go into the room with the Pain Elemental ambush?

[viscid jay]

The bodies one?

[lunar rune]

Yeah

[viscid jay]

Yep

[lunar rune]

There's a skull switch which leads down to the red door

[viscid jay]

Is it the right one?

[lunar rune]

Left

[viscid jay]

https://tenor.com/view/annoyed-fuck-frustrated-gif-15331740

That one is with the dumb archvile….

[lunar rune]

Yepp

[viscid jay]

MADE IT

[mighty walrus]

yayy

[viscid jay]

NOOOO!!!

😫

[mighty walrus]

wut

[viscid jay]

I accidentally quick saved over my death now I have to go back at 25….

https://tenor.com/view/wow-gif-20411229

[mighty walrus]

uh ohs

[viscid jay]

I WAS SO FARRR….

I’m gonna take a break…mannnnnn

[mighty walrus]

sorry dude I know that feeling for sure

[viscid jay]

I’ve been playing a lot of retro shooters

Much fun then regular shooters like call of dooty….

😒

[mighty walrus]

dooty

[viscid jay]

Duke nukem, dusk, quake, modern shadow warrior, and the entire doom franchise (except rpg)

[mighty walrus]

1000000 good list fr

I've been replayin Doom 1,2, and Quake a LOT lately

[viscid jay]

Duke was actually my first retro shooter because doom didn’t come out on ps4-ps5 yet

[mighty walrus]

Oh and Duke Nukem

I just started Forever last night

[viscid jay]

I had to get the anniversary edition

[mighty walrus]

Of DN Forever?

I loved the original so much. I love how in the new game you start off at the urinal lmao

[viscid jay]

I think a lot of people don’t like that
And no of duke nukem

Especially civvie

[mighty walrus]

I bought Dusk but haven't started it yet

[viscid jay]

Plays like quake

Just saying

[mighty walrus]

I may check it out tonight or tomorrow

[viscid jay]

But much faster too

[mighty walrus]

I hope the weapons don't have the blow back element to them like Quake

btw did you know that the character in Quake, is named Quake?

[viscid jay]

https://tenor.com/view/umm-um-ummm-ummok-puppet-gif-17038634

They do…

And didn’t know that

That’s funny

Like doomguy

[mighty walrus]

yup

[viscid jay]

https://tenor.com/view/duuum-aprov-doom-approve-okay-meme-gif-16687031

[mighty walrus]

John Romero lolll

And that sucks...I've nearly fallen off so many beams and ledges just from firing

[viscid jay]

“To beat the game you must defeat me, John Romero “

[mighty walrus]

Best Easter egg in FPS history

[viscid jay]

That’s still crazy to me…

[mighty walrus]

It's so good fr

[viscid jay]

What do you think is crazy in doom?????

In general

[mighty walrus]

wdym by crazy

[viscid jay]

Just had your mind blown I guess????

https://tenor.com/view/shrug-gif-25269231

[mighty walrus]

no I'm at work BRB lol

[viscid jay]

K

[mighty walrus]

Hmm what is crazy in Doom...trying to play Nightmare lmao.

And the puzzles and key locations in certain maps

[viscid jay]

https://tenor.com/view/scared-afraid-snoopy-fear-tremble-gif-19593217

People are CRAZY to play classic nightmare

[mighty walrus]

exactly

It's not a good time tbh

wby?

[viscid jay]

Wby?

[mighty walrus]

what about u

[viscid jay]

https://tenor.com/view/betty-white-math-calculating-confused-golden-girls-gif-27641696

Oh

Honestly to play it for the first time

When I was in hangar I was “IM ACTUALLY PLAYING DOOM!”

[mighty walrus]

lolz

[viscid jay]

I also beat the first 3 episodes on ultra-violence

https://tenor.com/view/fancy-tuxedo-winnie-the-pooh-gif-15693976

[mighty walrus]

wait wut

[viscid jay]

Yep

[mighty walrus]

that's great! good job

UV is the best way to play I and II tbh

[viscid jay]

2 im playing hurt me plenty

After trying to play thy flesh consumed on ultra violence on the first level I was like…nope…hurt me plenty

@mighty walrus why is doom 2 your fav?

[plush tundra]

heres the real question. did you use saves?

[viscid jay]

Yes….im a coward…I can’t be like civvie…

https://tenor.com/view/buzz-lightyear-oh-im-a-sham-sham-toy-story-im-a-fraud-gif-18290020

[plush tundra]

i figured out my doom2 issue

my dumbass didnt download zdl

[viscid jay]

? Zdl?

(Srry i dont have a computer im not a computer expert…I have a ps5)

[plush tundra]

so basically zdl stands for zdoom launcher. and gz doom is a software that makes it so you can play doom wads easier (because the original doom wads played very differently then fps games today) zdl makes it so you can launch doom wads without gz doom mashing wads together

its also used to manage doom mods on doom wads

[viscid jay]

Oooooh ok

[plush tundra]

my mistake was i was launching doom 2 on gzdoom without zdl so it gave me doom 2 but with doom 1 levels

[viscid jay]

Oh speaking of anyone played myhouse.wad??? I haven’t because ps5

[viscid jay]

Crazy

[plush tundra]

great wad. if you want to see someone play it id recommend powerpaks video on it

[viscid jay]

I’ve seen it

Power pak as well

Good video

The wad is just…a game of itself

[astral vapor]

its so

eerie

[plush tundra]

the music is calming to me

[astral vapor]

yes but reading the pages before makes it pretty unnerving for me

[viscid jay]

Its like if a creepypasta existed or something idk its just a cool concept of a wad

[plush tundra]

the line happiness has to be fought for is so relatable to me and hits deep as I've been fighting leukemia and before getting diagnosed i was suffering from depression but now i find myself happier after fighting for my life

[viscid jay]

I also think that line can relate to doomguy as well honestly

Like can you imagine a man fighting evil forever??? That IS doomguy

[plush tundra]

fr

[vale gyro]

If I’m correct, ZDL merely passes along flags and their required arguments to the port specified. You were probably messing something up before using ZDL.

[plush tundra]

well whatever. it works now so

[vale gyro]

Fair

[azure nimbus]

GZ doom doesn't "make it easier to play doom wads". It's just an alternate engine or port for doom with unique design goals. GZ intends to be highly moddable but doesn't play to the original game's physics. Just like DSDA has other design goals as a port/engine that serves to be moddable in other ways but is exact in its replication of the old engine's physics

[viscid jay]

I’m srry idk computer stuff

https://tenor.com/view/elijah-wood-hobbit-its-some-sort-gif-12360932

[storm tapir]

You guys think Civvie didn't use saves? His Plutonia vid has like a million death and he even saves in a few parts in the vid lol

[viscid jay]

But not for the original 3 episodes

[storm tapir]

Well unless you were quick saving to revert every single time an imp scratched you (basically TAS using quick loads) it doesn't matter much

or rather it doesn't matter at all, it isn't a competition lol

Replaying (and knowing the secrets) also dramatically makes any map easier

[viscid jay]

I’m not saying it is I just wanna be A EXPERT on doom like civvie one day

That’s just me

[storm tapir]

Well time to throw you into Plutonia then

Better be ready for a long week

[plush tundra]

Doesn’t midnight play without saves

[mighty walrus]

@viscid jay Idk I just love almost all of the og maps in it and especially the last two chapters

[viscid jay]

Ah I see

[mighty walrus]

But I do have lots of love for 1

Doom 1

[viscid jay]

Doom 1 is cool for its tunes and 2 too

[mighty walrus]

I love the eerie music

[median cloud]

Playing on chocolate doom really is harder

[azure nimbus]

how

[viscid jay]

https://tenor.com/view/bh187-spongebob-question-question-mark-idea-gif-19287490

Chocolate doom?????

[plush tundra]

Chocolate doom?

Sounds sweet

[vale gyro]

it's a Doom source port meant to be 1:1 with the original executables

[viscid jay]

Enlighten me?

Idk

[vale gyro]

enlighten you with what?

[viscid jay]

The original executables

[vale gyro]

the executables that were packaged with the original installs of the games from 1993, 1994, and 1995

[plush tundra]

Can’t you do that by opening doom wad through wad commander

[vale gyro]

maybe

It could be running on some weird fork of another port

but I actually have the original executables that I run through DOSBOX

[viscid jay]

Like there was executions????

[vale gyro]

executables are computer programs

[viscid jay]

Oh….

[plush tundra]

Do any of you have experience with making doom wads? I want to make my own doom wad with my own sounds, textures, and stuff

[vale gyro]

mapping only

and I am not the best person to ask

I'm aware of what tools to use and a somewhat decent knowledge on what ports can do what

I've only mapped for vanilla, though

[plush tundra]

ah

I’m curious on how the creator of my house.wad made a second floor considering that’s SUPPOSEDLY impossible

[vale gyro]

portals

[plush tundra]

Oh

[vale gyro]

from what I can understand there are two copies of the house

one for the first, one for the second

I could be very wrong, though

[plush tundra]

I’m planning on making a mall style map

Based on the mall in my hometown

[vale gyro]

ok

I just tricked the shareware version of the executables into using the paid WAD

no 4th episode support, though

as it's v1.2 instead of v1.9

[plush tundra]

I wonder if you can find a recreation of thy flesh consumed on doomworld

[vale gyro]

yeah, maybe

I remember there being a WAD that remade Doom 1 maps from memory

[plush tundra]

Me making perfect recreations because during Covid’s that all I played

[viscid jay]

Ey where’s the red door at map 28?

Of doom 2

[azure nimbus]

near spawn

[viscid jay]

I BEAT DOOM 2

https://tenor.com/view/excited-hockey-kid-yeah-gif-11096973869452126012

[celest coyote]

Nice

[vale gyro]

noice

[ionic sluice]

If THAT’s what stands out to you in the entirety of myhouse idk what to say lmao
but yeah, I think it’s just portals (heard it uses hidden teleports at first to feel more vanilla though, but idk)
But yeah gzdoom’s crazy enough to just have actual 3D floors now, lots of cool stuff

[terse valve]

gzdoom is cool i agree

[mighty walrus]

@terse valve What maps did u do today?

[terse valve]

i was just finishing up a save and doing the icon of sin actually

[mighty walrus]

Nice, what are you gonna play the rest of the night?

I've been replaying a ton of DoomII

[terse valve]

i just got eternal from the sale, trying it out since i dont play modern titles that much

[mighty walrus]

What are you playing it on?

[terse valve]

my laptop hbu

[mighty walrus]

Yeah tbh 2016 and Eternal was hard for me to get used to at first personally. I grew up playing the originals and have really only played those ones until this last year

PC

[terse valve]

the freecam doom action is already killing me

[mighty walrus]

Oh you just starting actually as we speak?

[terse valve]

yea yea

[young isle]

Just got gifted classic doom

[vale gyro]

noice

[median cloud]

Low fps low resolution

[vale gyro]

To me that is not any harder

Mind you, that’s what I played on pretty much

Had a bit of a higher resolution than what was available in Chocolate and the original executables, but I had the same FPS cap and still an overall low resolution

[young isle]

dude nightmare on 1993 doom isnt fair

[median cloud]

I mostly played doom on 35 fps as well in the past but I did play 1080p. Been a couple of years though

[lapis wolf]

The only Nightmare I can't beat.

Also DOOM 3 Nightmare I was bad at. Lol

[young isle]

so i shouldnt beat myself up for it?

[lapis wolf]

It was made as a joke and "intentionally impossible" for 1993 and DOOM II.

Though ofc, people still ended up beating them. Especially gods like Decino and Coincident.

[median cloud]

Its very speedrunny u cant play it slow

I dont like it much either prefer uv fast

[lapis wolf]

Nightmare is just Ultra Violence with fast monsters enabled and infinitely respawning enemies.

So yeah. It's pretty ridiculous.

[azure nimbus]

and double ammo

[lapis wolf]

Oh yeah, and some of the secrets and pick ups are changed as well.

Like how you can get the rocket launcher on E1M1

[azure nimbus]

that's not true.

pickup changes are from -coop_spawns (this is also present on unity's "uv+")

[lapis wolf]

Oh when I play UV+. I don't get the rocket launcher on E1M1, only Nightmare.

Atleast on the Unity/Console version

[azure nimbus]

https://youtu.be/_NiMAjiuCps it's not on nightmare. It is on uv+. Yes also on unity

[azure nimbus]

the vanilla game doesn't even have the capability to spawn different stuff on nightmare. Open up an editor and check out the difficulty settings for item spawns: you can flag an item for, "easy"(Itytd,hmp), "medium"(hmp) and "hard"(uv, nm) and you can set items to be coop exclusive(but not solo exclusive). There's no function in vanilla to make sure something only spawns on nightmare.

There are technically vanilla things you can do like have an archvile and a pinky race off screen to check for the -fast parameter, but even that won't check for full nightmare

[lapis wolf]

Oh I must have been getting mixed up with Ultra Violence and Ultra Violence+ spawns.

[azure nimbus]

unity's uv+ is -coop_spawns with -fast.
Traditionally, uv+ meant -coop_spawns but whatever.
There's another similar parameter called -solo-net. -solo-net has you play a coop game alone. So you'll have all the trappings of coop where weapons don't vanish, respawning is enabled and doomguy has a player1 background. -coop_spawns simply spawns in items from coop

[lapis wolf]

Ah. I see.

[young isle]

So is ultra violence good?

[lapis wolf]

Ultra Violence and Ultra Violence+ are the hardest difficulties that are balanced and thought out, yes

[azure nimbus]

uv+ is literally "let's see what'd happen if we gave them the coop setup lol then made them fast too for no reason". It wasn't in the original game in a named capacity for a reason

[median cloud]

what would your guys top 3 hardest classic doom maps be? So taking into account all the official wad files and pistol starting

On UV not nm

[azure nimbus]

just from the IWADS? Take an assortment of plutonia maps and maybe e4m6?

[median cloud]

Yeah tnt plut d1 d2 and nrftl
I thought maybe including pistol starts would influence the top 3

like for example I think tombstone might be the hardest classic doom map compared to the obvious Go 2 it, because of the pistol starts

[red token]

Is it me or are Doom 1's levels more pleasing to look at than Doom 2's?

[lunar rune]

I absolutely agree. They had far more time to work on DOOM 1's maps, and for DOOM 2, 18 of them were made by Sandy Petersen

Not saying Petersen's maps are bad

[finite crag]

I think Doom 2 tried to increase the scope and complexity of its levels too which lead some of them to be pretty ugly

Like that one city map

[lunar rune]

Which city map? They're all pretty awful😭

In the city section of the game

I mean The Courtyard and Citadel are bangers to me

Also I'm pretty sure they tried to make maps far more open, because DOOM 1 was more close quarters

[median cloud]

I loathe the citadel least favorite doom map

Courtyard is great and Odyssey of noises is a good city map

[red token]

Odyssey of Noises is what every city level of Doom 2 should've been

[azure nimbus]

nah

[red token]

Yeah

[plush tundra]

When do I get image persons

Pernms*

Permissions*

[lunar rune]

I don't think you do, people use imgur or external stuff to send images here

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/939986415385710613/1256704098858831942/image.png?ex=6681bc65&is=66806ae5&hm=2866d4d13da0e0d537017976b97d443fa47a1ec85f6848ff9f5c0cb5de4d6d57&

Easiest way you can do it is by sending it in another server/dm and then copying the link

[plush tundra]

Bro

It’s saying I’m posting links too fast

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1093743398168580096/1256718907679707288/IMG_2724.jpg?ex=6681ca30&is=668078b0&hm=fd3be1c883d8f41e6a1270420506745e8d8c083aac6a6e557cd08b687531db4d&

Okay this is a drawing I made for a wad I’m gonna make

[terse valve]

i agree, tho doom 2 had a better ending tbf

[thorny crescent]

Wow, that’s really good

How long did it take

[void hemlock]

Interesting... I've never seen someone physically make concept art for a Doom mod before (from what I know)

[plush tundra]

Just a couple minutes. I had a perfect image in my head and I just kinda scribbled it down

[thorny crescent]

That’s real talent

[plush tundra]

Thanks. I’m really happy with how it turned out

[clever trench]

I recently watched a video on some stuff that is impossible to do in Doom and Doom II.
With some of them being a handful of levels that have unreachable secrets.
My question is, was this a design decision that Id made on purpose, or an oversight?

[vale gyro]

oversights without a doubt

[clever trench]

One in particular involves having to use Invincibility in tandem with being propelled by a Cyberdemon rocket.

[lunar rune]

Absolutely an oversight, most levels weren't very playtested because they didn't have the time to

[hexed escarp]

yooo i didnt realize that the plutonia midi pack map07 track was based on a real song

a real song from the singer of my favorite band too

[young isle]

No wonder i can’t reach half the secrets dude …

[azure nimbus]

it's an oversight. The original UI wouldn't say "a secret is revealed" so it'd be unclear for "playtesting" (which I'm sure happened consistently for different playstyles...) which secrets popped. They're accidental

[azure nimbus]

no it's because you can't find them lol

The only glitched secrets in doom 1 and 2 are: e4m3: there is a stairwell with 20ish stairs each counted as its own secret. While accessible...um they should not be separate. Also, there are some torches that are marked as secrets for some reason that you can't reach.

e4m7 has two "impossible" secrets. It's at an invuln. Both the invuln sector and the very tiny sector in front of it count. With extreme precision, you could get rocket jumped by the cyber into the lil cubby for the first secret, then use save-> loading to drop into the second secret below.

doom2 map15 has the famous pain elemental secret at the teleporter.

[young isle]

“doom has peak level design!” the level design:

[azure nimbus]

Doom's vanilla level design does what it had to do and still works in some ways. but the mechanics and broader ethos really work and it's why stronger community made level design is so prominant

oh it's not a broken secret but there are several secrets that are doubly tagged, empty, or even areas with hidden items that aren't tagged as secrets

[clever trench]

I think what’s so cool about classic Doom is that parts of it are undoubtedly primitive, yet there are other parts that hold up so well.

[azure nimbus]

some of its "primitive" enemy patterns make them predictable. When individual enemies are weak and predictable, it makes it easier for custom mappers to put them in more positions: either via huge numbers or tight spaces

[lunar rune]

DOOM's enemy design is brilliant, some of the best ever made

Despite its simplicity

The only enemy I'd straight up don't like gameplay-wise is the Baron

[median cloud]

too much hp for too little difficulty, baron only works in very tight corridors

[lunar rune]

I don't like Hell Revealed because of its sheer Baron count, it's annoying

[celest coyote]

🙄

[azure nimbus]

Baron is an enemy that's easy to use poorly

[finite crag]

Yeah they’re usually the least engaging to fight

Hell Knights are kind of better barons in that regard just because they have less health

Barons are really great design wise though

Very cool intro as well

Also secrets in Doom 1 really aren’t that hard to find

Most of the levels I’m finding 100% of them

There’s some levels that are really tricky and you end up only finding 1 or 2

[white brook]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[lunar rune]

Exactly

[hardy swift]

if BJ blazkowicz is doomguys great grandpa does that mean Wolfenstein and DOOM are in the same universe?

[viscid jay]

Excuse me is the master levels from final doom?

[vale gyro]

it's not even made by iD in any capacity

but yeah, it's not from Final Doom

[viscid jay]

Ok hmmmmm is there an add on that’s on ps5 that IS final doom?

[lunar rune]

John Anderson (Dr. Sleep) was a part of ID for a bit I think, but those are the only levels from ID

[viscid jay]

Just curious

[lunar rune]

Yes, Plutonia Experiment and TNT: Evilution

Those are both Final DOOM

[vale gyro]

oh

[viscid jay]

Thanks

Where did the master levels come from them????

[plush tundra]

I’m a doom fan. Of course I’d rather get my wads off shady websites than buy the real thing for 5 dollars

[red token]

Every time I fight a Baron it seems like it is immortal lol

[hasty bough]

Nightmare: I'm fully convinced that Sandy Petersen woke up at dead 3 in the morning at night, drank 7 cups of coffee, drove over to ID headquarters, threw a brick at the window, broke down the door, entered the building and coded the entire Demon respawning mechanic without blinking while typing with shattered glass

[azure nimbus]

Sandy Peterson was exclusively a level designer and had no part in building mchanics. He prides himself on being one of the first people with the job title of "level designer"

[lunar rune]

The original wad files are so small, when my friends want to play DOOM, I can literally just send them through Discord.

[outer badge]

erm, it was actually a joke difficulty they made when some big video game nerds said UV was too easy!

https://tenor.com/r9qjRoQRAD4.gif

[astral nexus]

bj and keen are related but keen and doomguy are probably not related

soph or jess blazkowicz was keen's mom

we know keen had children but the children of keen's children are unknown

we know that the events of commander keen 1 happen in the 90s or 2000s

[lunar rune]

doom's was around 2023-2024

[astral nexus]

in an alternate future a bunch of hell demons would've put gargoyle faces on our houses

[empty scarab]

Has anyone had this happened....you shoot at a demon and or zombies and somehow they become immortal and that they can walk through walls that actually happened twice for me it doesn't do it very often but just wondering if anyone had it happened?

[azure nimbus]

it's common enough. Two ways it can happen: individual enemies who get smooshed by a door as or after they die will have this property when they get revived by a vile.

OR, if you shoot in a very very particular way that will realistically never happen for most people, there can be rouding issues causing the gun to "shoot" the same things over and over until map-data gets erased

[empty scarab]

@azure nimbus ok thanks ☺ I was wondering what caused it

[azure nimbus]

the second way will lose collision for everybody.

you can still hurt them if you're suuuper precise or more realistically with splash damage or monster melee attacks

Monster melee is a distance check, not a collision check. So losing collision data isn't a problem for them

[plush tundra]

Do you have the ultimate doom

[chrome yarrow]

I'm so fng stupid

I thought I could play GZDoom without having actual Doom

[azure nimbus]

Gzdoom, like any source port, makes use of either its own emulation of doom or the open source code. When you purchase doom, you're really paying for the assets: sounds, sprites, textures, music. There are alternative assets you can get for free like freedoom2.wad. But you'll have totally different assets. As much as I like the freedoom project, ya can't beat the classic assets(other than maybe filling in a couple missed pixels or alignments)

[lucid current]

Does anyone have any advice to beat the cyberdemon in shores of hell? Ive tried like maybe 5 times or so and i havent gotten the hang of it lolz

[plush tundra]

Rockets

Lots of rockets

[lucid current]

Lolz ive tried, but i heard the plasma gun is also rlly helpful

[plush tundra]

Yeah

Plasma or rockets work well

[lucid current]

Alr, i’ll switch between those 2 as often as i can

Thanx

[azure nimbus]

if you have cells, use them. They'll do more dps on the cyber and you're not saving up for anything.

Just dodge and keep some distance if you aren't confident. Sometimes, it's ok to just watch him for a minute to learn the patterns

Rockets do much more damage than cells normally, but cybers take no blast damage

[lucid current]

Ahh alright, thanx :)

[lunar rune]

I recommend just circling around him

[lucid current]

Alrighty, thanx!

[median cloud]

lol I was playing Chocolate Doom on Graphic detail low, no wonder I had such a hard time. Monsters at a distance would just look like small pixels

[azure nimbus]

Given doom's vanilla maps, long distance isn't all that present. But on custom stuff, it comes up and low res can be rough

[median cloud]

youd think but I just played through plut map 25 the temple of doom and I almost couldnt see the shotgunners behind bars at the end area

[gentle compass]

Oh yea thats a rly mean spot for low fidelity

[vale gyro]

ask #doom-eternal

[woven thicket]

i did bro

i cant find anyhting, looked everywhere

[vale gyro]

just change the aspect ratio to 21:9 i'm assuming

[languid scroll]

[mighty walrus]

Hey are there any good WADS for beginners? I've only played the main maps in both I and II

[vale gyro]

Sigil 1 and 2 might be a good choice

just, don't play either UV on the first go

[mighty walrus]

Haha I def was not planning on it right away. I just did a run through of some of the DoomII maps on Nightmare and it was comical af

[vale gyro]

UV on Sigil 2 is especially a pain from what I've heard

because of the fact a cyber is on every single level

[azure nimbus]

nightmare is several steps above most custom wads. Come back to it maybe after lots of practice elsewhere

[mighty walrus]

what?

oic what you're saying yeh

[vocal jetty]

Here's the big question thats on my mind

is the spider mastermind a he or a she?

[lunar rune]

Spider Mastermind is a she, pretty sure this was more confirmed in 2016 as well

[lunar rune]

I found this megawad online called BACULUS while going through random DOOM files on DOOMworld, didn't play through all of it but it seems pretty beginner friendly

https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/megawads/baculus

[celest coyote]

Alien Vendetta, Plutonia, Kama Sutra, Jenesis, STRAIN, Icarus:Alien Vanguard

[vocal jetty]

plutonia
beginner
pick one

[lunar rune]

Going to ignore Alien Vendetta?

[vocal jetty]

oh and AV too

[lunar rune]

I assume they wont play on UV though

[celest coyote]

Plutonia is beginner compared to Sunlust or even Hell Revealed, so yea

[lunar rune]

Oh absolutely

[celest coyote]

It is the natural progression after Doom 1 & 2

[lunar rune]

I love Sunlust and despise Hell Revealed

God Machine took me a day or two iirc

[vocal jetty]

god machine

[mighty walrus]

Thank you!

[vocal jetty]

would you believe me if i said i never beat AV

[celest coyote]

I refuse to finish TNT

[lunar rune]

Oh my god same.

It has been years and I still refuse to finish TNT

[lunar rune]

Yes, because it is very difficult

[vocal jetty]

TNT sucked

i beat it and the later levels were just not fun

[azure nimbus]

plutonia is appropriate for someone coming out of Doom1/2

[celest coyote]

If I had said play swim with the whales after doom 2…

Whole different story

[mighty walrus]

Awesome, thx! ^_^

[vale gyro]

you know a widescreen HUD for this wad by chance?

can't find one anywhere

[lunar rune]

Unfortunately not, the HUD looks really cool

[vale gyro]

damn, that sucks

[ebon forum]

So, Crispy DOOM has the ability to change the horizontal resolution based on the screen's aspect ratio... Is there a way to change the internal aspect ratio in order to play with my preferred bullshit aspect ratio of 8*3?

[median cloud]

8:3??? An imp gonna take up half ur screen

[ebon forum]

No, I play with that aspect ratio in Quake/Quake2 all the damn time.

It's cinematically wide and I quite like it

#screenshots the resolution in PRBOOM+ and Quake 2 both, you see the benefits

Oh yeah, it also keeps the touch elements away from the HUD lol

[median cloud]

Yeah seems like it doesnt stretch the characters just the amount of things you can see

[ebon forum]

Exactly

Again, I quite like it.

[plucky forge]

E1m4 kinda sucks ngl

[tired dawn]

why is reelism 2 showing the endless sonic thing???

my game is legit

i bought it from steam a while ago

[median cloud]

Worst E1 map unless u think E1M8 is worse

[plucky forge]

E1m8 is fine

It does its job as a boss map

[plucky forge]

But e1m4 just feels like a slog

Especially the maze part

[lunar rune]

Been playing through DOOM Zero, the first third was pretty good, the second third is very questionable.

[plucky forge]

Whats doom zero like again?

[azure nimbus]

you might want to learn the jump. in the room with the acid and window, you can leap to the windowsil, skipping the maze

[plucky forge]

oh fr?

[azure nimbus]

run diagonally. You go faster.

[plucky forge]

huh

is it possible to do on switch?

[lunar rune]

It's supposed to be like classic DOOM. It takes place in between DOOM 64 and 2016

[remote cedar]

as much as it's true, it's got Kitchen Ace (And Taking Names) as its soundtrack so that makes the map a banger by proxy

[plucky forge]

Real

[azure nimbus]

yes. it's easier on switch since the game willl provide auto sr50

[cursive cipher]

C:\Games\Woof!>woof.exe -file doom2.wad -iwad aaliens.wad
chat what am i doing wrong lol

i tried launching it with doom.wad at first and it like, worked but was all fucked
so i was like oh i probably need doom 2 whoopsie
but now it just launches regular doom 2?

[vale gyro]

Switch the flags around

-file is for PWADs

[cursive cipher]

i'm stupid
lmao, thanks

[median cloud]

Wooh I beat Eviternity 2 map 15, was stuck on that one for a while

[plush tundra]

Anyone know how the details for my house. Wad were made? Like how do I make second floors and how do I make doomcute things and stuff

[warm palm]

i still play hurt me plenty

i think UV is probably the hardest i can go rn lol

[vale gyro]

Doomcute is just sector art, so you're just changing the heights of floors and and ceilings to get the effect.
If I'm correct MyHouse uses two copies of the house which are switched inbetween with portals.

[median cloud]

Do you have always run on?

[warm palm]

no

i use shift to run whenever i need to

[plush tundra]

Okay. How do I get that slopped roof look

[vale gyro]

Not sure, honestly

I'm a vanilla mapper so I'm kinda going off of word of mouth

[plush tundra]

Oh

I see actually he just used flat textures for the sloped parts

[vale gyro]

I could maybe look at MyHouse in a map editor and figure it out over time but it'll take a lot longer then someone who actually maps in that format

[median cloud]

You should honestly enable it, Ive been playing Doom for over a decade now and Ive never had a situation where I needed to shift

It will make it easier for you to manouvre around

Using WASD + Mouse (so no kb only) and always run are probably the default settings to get into Doom. Unless you wish to play different for whatever reason ofc

And then go give UV a shot :p

[mighty walrus]

fair

[warm palm]

Yeah i just got into DOOM a few months ago

Ill try it

[median cloud]

Dang Eviternity map 34/Freya might be the most gorgeous doom map Ive ever played

[lapis wolf]

Oof. That's one of my favs lol.

E1M6 and E1M7 I don't really like though, same for the E1M9 secret map.

[feral wharf]

..Hey Google explain M's-Theory to Siri and Watson using Cortana's Halo Covenant and these Quantum entangled strings or magic membranes (what AI called my magic man brains). A Jedi Project for the Cloud: AI become a Jedi, use the force to put me in a tree for the burning bush or in the sky for the pure of hearts eye.

[lapis wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/kazuma-kiryu-yakuza-better-call-saul-breaking-bad-my-honest-reaction-gif-25702530

[cedar fulcrum]

what do you guys think the most anoying demon is

I am going to say the archville or heavy gunner

[hexed escarp]

pain elemental

[cedar fulcrum]

that is true but at the same time a few ssg or rocket launcher shots will kill them

[grizzled smelt]

I agree the heavy chain gunners are annoying as shit, fucking hit scanners

[cedar fulcrum]

so true but they are also weak but if you have 4 of them in one room you are cooked unless you have full health

[hexed escarp]

yeah but if they are far away and you shoot a rocket at the same time that it shoots a lost soul you are toast

like normally you only face rocket on walls but the pain elemental basically shoots walls that fly at your face

[cedar fulcrum]

true

[ionic sluice]

Archville

back to saturn X has given me the biggest hatred of archvilles ever

they’re in EVERY level ):

[gentle compass]

Annoying? I'd say Pain Elemental for sure, it's a great unique pressure enemy that walls you in and limits your options if you let it do its thing

Archviles are way more threatening than annoying, they're a top tier threat that you gotta remove from the board in any fight

[finite crag]

Finish alien vendetta yesterday, learn today that there was an alien vendetta music midi pack

[celest coyote]

Revenants are the most annoying fuck in all of doom. I don’t care how many dozens of slaughter wads try to make them seem “cool” or like “only elite gamers can appreciate revenants”, they all suck to fight. You never truly know when a rev is gonna fire a homing missile and somehow there’s always one trailing behind you that ALWAYS does max damage and will kill you when you forget one little projectile

[lunar rune]

Slaughtermaps need more creativity.

Oh my god the amount I've played that is just Revenant spam actually pisses me off

Those 80 damage homing rockets are so unfun to fight against

[celest coyote]

Those homies always spit fire on my ass, always max damage

I call homing missiles homies

[lunar rune]

Also chaingunner spam, completely unavoidable damage

[celest coyote]

Yea but chaingun spam is funny when just one hits a buddy

Then the whole can of worms goes after itself

[lunar rune]

Just beat DOOM Zero, the third episode was way more enjoyable than the second

[spice radish]

Archvile and Pain Elemental for sure

[vale gyro]

Wait, that’s not just me?!

[azure nimbus]

you should try only getting hit by low rolls

people say the best strategy is to dodge the missiles. But ya really only have to dodge the high rolls

[vale gyro]

Dang, nice advice. Let me get my glasses that allow me to see the exact pointer I need to!

[lunar rune]

Forgot I can telepathically figure out which one is the high roll. Thanks man!

[ionic sluice]

I don’t really have that much trouble with them tbh, tho that’s probably because I’m playing btsx right now, which has basically no open areas

[finite crag]

@vale gyro so the map was E1M6 Central Processing

[vale gyro]

there should be a lift where there is a soulsphere

interact with the wall that it raises up to

[finite crag]

How?

Btw i played it on ps5

[vale gyro]

interact with it like any other door

[finite crag]

It worked!

Thx for helping me

[vale gyro]

also, I could tell

barely anyone plays with the Unity port on PC

[finite crag]

So which versions they often played it?

[vale gyro]

I personally run Woof, but the most common port I see people use is GZDoom

[finite crag]

Ok

[vale gyro]

it's not really a concern to you as you play on PS5

I was trying to make (now what's clear to me a horrible) joke

[finite crag]

Tbh i'm not concerned

I'm enjoyed to play that game

[chrome yarrow]

Omg why is the Doom 3DO soundtrack so good

Like, better than the original

[vale gyro]

too bad the port is the worst of them

[lunar rune]

Guy who made it was idiotic but had a great band

[finite crag]

hi

[finite crag]

Hi

[chrome yarrow]

Apparently he also touched kids so that sucks

[azure nimbus]

you shouldn't do that

[haughty heron]

Hello

does anyone know how the console commands

I want to kill all enemies with tntem command

Help please

[azure nimbus]

not every command is universal. The only thing you have for sure is menu cheats on unity, and the classic ID.... cheats on other ports

if you just want the enemies gone, you might be better off launching with the -nomonsters param

[long flame]

Some stuff in earlier houses are just made out of lines and textures or doom objects but a lot of it uses 3D objects thanks to it being for GZ and not vanilla
The separate floors are done through line portals which makes separate lines act like they’re connected and then has I think fifteen copies of the house with all the variants which is how the inside stairs and some other bits work
The appearance of multiple floors at one outside is done through some shenanigans with 3D floors slopes at such an angle they are almost flush with the wall
The black and white milkshake room as well as one but at the airport utilise 3D floors