classic-doom

[vale gyro]

I didn’t even think of Barons w/o plasma or RL

yeah, I hate them more than chaingunners in that scenario

[sick mist]

Just a friendly reminder @haughty mortar
Even tho the game is over 20 years old, we do not condone any talk about piracy here.
That includes phrases like "just get them somewhere"

[finite crag]

I remember how annoying it was to kill the baron

[haughty mortar]

why do i forget everything is pirated

anyways my bad

[sick mist]

Just keep it in mind for the future, as this is the official doom discord server

[finite crag]

Fun fact only 1% of people who played doom eternal have beaten horde mode

[haughty mortar]

anyways what is the hardest level for y'all

[upper crypt]

In what WAD

[haughty mortar]

doom 1, 2 final doom, whatever

[vale gyro]

most of Episode 4 or Doom 1

[upper crypt]

Definitely a Plutonia map

Or E4M1

[vale gyro]

mind you I’m just getting around to Final Doom

[haughty mortar]

in china we don't have doom

we have Hope

[finite crag]

Hardest level I’ve played was final level of shores of hell

[sick mist]

Plutonia, Level 11

[upper crypt]

You gotta circle strafe

[finite crag]

Ye

[haughty mortar]

i mean if you ever played it with DOS controls it'd be even harder

[finite crag]

I just sat there and tried to kill him for a solid hour

[vale gyro]

I’ve only gotten to like M11 of TNT but can anyone else agree the OST for it is genuinely good?

[upper crypt]

That’s the level that I was thinking of lol

Speed

[finite crag]

Agreed

[upper crypt]

Wait

That’s Hunted

[sick mist]

Fun Fact, John Romero, one of the original creators of DOOM 1 and DOOM 2 still plays with the original controls to this day.
And when i played a 1v1 against him, he absolutely destroyed me.

[upper crypt]

I was thinking of Map 12

[finite crag]

Watching doom 1993 speed runs is insane they don’t even kill 99% of the enemies and clip through half the level

[vale gyro]

no what, thinking about it, I think thats why I got my ass kicked so hard when I first played E4. I was playing with keyboard only (I was using WASD and arrows only for turning mind you but still)

[haughty mortar]

i'm starting to think meeting Romero is common, but bro has been WORKING

[upper crypt]

I wish the Unity port had more WADs, it gets boring after playing the same wads over and over

[sick mist]

Im administrating his discord community

[haughty mortar]

freelook and jump W or L

[finite crag]

Is it just me or should they add doom slayer to super smash bros

[sick mist]

Ninten'dont

[vale gyro]

personally me, L

[haughty mortar]

he already has a mii costume

[finite crag]

Oh ye

[haughty mortar]

i need an obby WAD

[finite crag]

Bet u can’t guess how many hours I have on doom 1993

[vale gyro]

I’m the type of person to use GZDoom only when absolutely necessary

[upper crypt]

Is it simple to get custom WADs, I’ve never downloaded one before so idk what to expect or what to do

[haughty mortar]

i didn't get doom 1 and 2 from Steam but i am sure I have played it for months on end

[upper crypt]

Or how to change between them

[vale gyro]

PWADs?

or community IWADs like Freedoom

[upper crypt]

PWADs

[finite crag]

I have absolutely no idea what a WAD is

[opaque kettle]

Hi anyone for help the trophie 200 kill ps5 on eternal ? Thx

[upper crypt]

Actually I’m not sure a what a PWAD is

[vale gyro]

basically any mod

[finite crag]

Ima just say it I only got 7 hours on doom 1993

[upper crypt]

Stands for “Where’s All the Data?”

[vale gyro]

basically

use the -file [filename] paramater

and -complevel [complevel] when needed

[upper crypt]

You’ve already lost me

[vale gyro]

in your terminal?

[vague anvil]

people played doom in doom 3 bfg and the sound is very bad

[upper crypt]

Not sure what that is

[vale gyro]

ok, you could use a Doom Launcher

[upper crypt]

I’m a simple man I see Doom I play

[vale gyro]

like ZDL, or Doom Launcher (directly to the point lol)

[finite crag]

Could I get in trouble for talking about possibly making my own mod for doom

[vale gyro]

nah not at all

game thrives off of it’s modding and speedrunning scenes

[upper crypt]

I managed to download Voxel Doom, I have GZ Doom I’m pretty sure as well

[finite crag]

If I made a doom mod I would give him his cannon strength so basically he can rip u in half with his toe

[vale gyro]

Windows 10/11 right?

[upper crypt]

I also have Zandronum but don’t know how to play multiplayer

Yes I have Windows 10/11

[vale gyro]

you need something like Doom Seeker for viewing servers

open up explorer and go to your download directory of GZDoom

make sure voxel doom is inside that folder as well

[upper crypt]

I’m gonna need a visual

[vale gyro]

in the directory bar on the top, type in cmd and hit Enter/Return

[vale gyro]

lemme start sending in screenshots then highlighting things then

[haughty mortar]

how do I make a wad? like which software?

[vale gyro]

you want to make a map?

[haughty mortar]

yes.

[vale gyro]

in that case use a Doom Builder

UDB is probably your best bet

[haughty mortar]

do we talk about Wolfenstein in this server?

i mean it's literally in the same universe as classic doom

[vale gyro]

picture of the directory bar is in #screenshots

you'd click on that and type in gzdoom -file [whatever voxel doom's file name is]

and then hit Enter/Return

[haughty mortar]

how do I make a Wolfenstein 3D map?

[vale gyro]

you'd wanna ask a Wolfenstein Discord server

[haughty mortar]

😐

there is no populated wolfenstein servers

and wolf3d is (kinda) a doom game

[vast reef]

letmegooglethat.com/?q=how+to+make+a+wolfenstein+3d+map

[vale gyro]

thank you for introducing me to a website to slightly mess with people with lol

[vast reef]

do you guys feel like classic doom is based more off mechanical skill or mental skill

i feel it's considerably more of the latter bar speedruns

decisions and strategies impact your performance significantly more than how well you can shoot and dodge (again, bar speedruns)

speedruns are very variable, i feel like iwads are essentially pure mechskill at this point bc new routes aren't as common anymore

[azure nimbus]

Doom doesn't require all that much in terms of precise aiming and the basic movement is very approachable. Certainly for speedruns, you have to do crazy movement, but the basic left right forwards and back isn't too bad

[haughty mortar]

anybody know how I can insert an existing HUD or weapon texture wad into my own UDB builder mod?

[vast reef]

slade

google the rest urself

[cosmic pagoda]

Theres literally an editor in the same folder as the game exe

[versed oriole]

It’s more of a predecessor. :)

[versed oriole]

It depends on the map :)

Some maps you have to focus more on than others, especially if the map has a lot of doors

But for others? You can just keep waltzing and slaying demons with your BFG as you search for a way out 🥰

Some are more combat, and others are more puzzle :)

[vale gyro]

ok, I'm finally doing it

E4 on UV

wish me luck, because I already know the first map is gonna chew me up with it's lack of health

[midnight rampart]

Doom 2 is good but doom 1 is better

[versed oriole]

Good luck 🤗💛

[jade eagle]

[raven pollen]

Went from playing mods like Brutal doom and Brutal Wolfenstein, to playing the original doom with the chocolate doom source port. It hit me like a freight train lol. Gonna try a plutonium run with chocolate doom, to suffer like they did back in the day.

[void hemlock]

And always remember

Hope to God, (not Khan Maykr) that you have good RNG and know where to pathfind on E4M2 and E4M6

[vale gyro]

this is literally the first time I've heard the term "pathfind"

I'm on E4M4 currently, though

[void hemlock]

ah alright

but ye E4M6 imo is still the WORST in terms of difficulty though

[vale gyro]

I faintly remember M6

is it that castle map?

[void hemlock]

yes

the 4 corridors with the central teleporter

[vale gyro]

oh god

I remember being stuck on that map (with ultimate levels of save scumming mind you) for like 2 hours

[void hemlock]

and then when I beat the damn map on my Steam Deck without needing to save scum on UV, that felt like I actually accomplished something

[vale gyro]

.....I'm totally not jealous

[void hemlock]

but don't worry though

I still can't even beat refueling base in Doom 2 on UV on Deck

Because I was pistol starting it

I actually want to beat the game properly

[glad hazel]

Now beat it 100% with fast monsters enabled

Im talking bout e4m6

Or e4m3

[coarse cradle]

Yooo i just beat the knee deep in the dead on uv 🥶🥶💯💯

[glad hazel]

Now do it saveless with fast monsters enabled

E1 is a breeze walk

Even with fast monsters

[finite crag]

everyone, not to be rude. But fuck this guy (cacodemon)

[novel estuary]

no

[finite crag]

yuh huh

[versed oriole]

I know the voice actor of Brutal Doom 🤭🤭🤭

[vale gyro]

just got to E4M6, and I'm already suffering

[versed oriole]

You can do this

[humble blaze]

First time playing, crispy, woof, or nugget?

[vale gyro]

Crispy is good if you're only looking into playing the base IWADs or limit-removing maps

Woof is good if you like the features of Crispy but want to play more advanced maps

Nugget is just Woof but with more features from Crispy

I personally use Crispy and Woof and have never really tried Nugget

[versed oriole]

These sourceports sound funny 🤭

[humble blaze]

Someone told me that Woof has qol improvements over Crispy, even if I'm just playing the Main Episodes.

[versed oriole]

[vale gyro]

I say Woof is overall a good all-rounder

you can try Nugget if you like Woof as Nugget is based on Woof

[versed oriole]

I’m gonna install other source ports later :)

They all run WADs, right? 😃

[vale gyro]

yeah

every port requires the IWADs

[versed oriole]

I have an entire folder for Classic Doom so that’s nice 🥰

[humble blaze]

Someone said Woof has improved lighting and bug fixes over Crispy.

[vale gyro]

I've never noticed it

[humble blaze]

Well shoot

[vale gyro]

to be fair I have my Woof config setup near the same to my Crispy one

[versed oriole]

So I will put my other sourceports with the GZDoom folder :D

[vale gyro]

Woof is a good option, though

also just got done with E4M6 after a tad bit of savescumming

[versed oriole]

I’m gonna try Woof :)

I hope I can use my custom soundfonts on it :3

[vale gyro]

woof does also have a neat feature similar to GZDoom where it has a preview image of your save files

[versed oriole]

Good :)

Is Woof more Vanilla or Chocolate? 😃

[vale gyro]

pretty much anything besides the original executables is not vanilla

[versed oriole]

Ok, so Neapolitan 😊

Thank you! 🤗💛

[upper crypt]

That cyberdemon is the worst

[versed oriole]

You cannot look up and down in Woof 😃

But in terms of looking left and right, it’s as smooth as GZDoom

The options UI is nice too :)

[vale gyro]

actually you can

but it's the same exact way Strife and Hexan does it

so it's wonky at best

[versed oriole]

🤔

Does it mean it turns into a flat cardboard when I look up? :)

Like Duke Nukem?

[vale gyro]

pretty much

oop

wrong reply

anyways, done with E4

[versed oriole]

What do you think? :D

[vale gyro]

I hated it the first time

I hate it even more the second

[versed oriole]

😊🫶

Now you know what happened between Doom 1 and Doom 2 :)

[vale gyro]

it's not my first go around with E4

[versed oriole]

💛

[vale gyro]

but it's 100% my last

I like E1-3

I hate E4 with a passion

[upper crypt]

Sucks that there was no super shotgun for Thy Flesh Consumed

[vale gyro]

indeed

[versed oriole]

Btw I enabled Free Look in Woof, and you’re right :D

It becomes a flat cardboard when you look up and down

[vale gyro]

the amount of pinkies in E4 is absurd

[versed oriole]

But at least now I can make Doomguy headbang like I did with GZDoom :)

[vale gyro]

Crispy does also have the same freelook issues

because both Woof and Crispy use a software renderer unlike GZDoom

[versed oriole]

Is the flat cardboard the vanilla part? 🤔

[vale gyro]

Crispy because it's based on Chocolate

Woof..well I think thats because the guy who programmed it decided to use the software renderer

[versed oriole]

:)

[vale gyro]

"vanilla" is basically when the orignal engine is used

[versed oriole]

And it ends up being like Wolfenstein 3D gameplay, right? Cuz I remember DOS Doom was very slow compared to the source port versions where I’m faster and smoother 😃

[vale gyro]

it's only slow because of the hardware

[versed oriole]

Ok :)

[vale gyro]

(at least in DOSBOX) I can easily run it at it's max 35 FPS

[versed oriole]

Thank you 🤗💛

I’ve played a little Wolfenstein 3D and I do remember that using my mouse makes me move faster 😂

So it’s probably the same movement speed in Vanilla Doom

Like not smooth, but fast enough

[vale gyro]

they do use different engines

so the movement speed is most likely not the same

[versed oriole]

I should try that 😃

I have a DOS version of Doom so I’m gonna try that

It’s actually nice how Doom is one of the few games that allows archiving of the older versions of their games so that the newer generations can play it :)

If it wasn’t for WADs, I would’ve never got to experience Classic Doom

In fact, I knew about WADs cuz I used to watch a Twitch streamer, who also happened to be involved in Brutal Doom. He told me about WADs 🤭🤭🤭🤭

And that’s how I managed to play Classic Doom :)

[fringe nest]

Hello

[haughty mortar]

someone gimme an obby wad

[merry timber]

hopscotch.wad?

platforming and puzzle

I hate map18 tho

[worthy comet]

I want a PC just for Doom wads lol

[celest coyote]

The dream

[worthy comet]

Oh

[cyan spire]

TNT Vs Plutonia. Discuss!

[hexed escarp]

Plutonia

No discussion required

[deft dragon]

tnt is way better

i just personally just like the level design a ton more

[cursive cipher]

what happens if I swap the wad in the unity port for the regular wad?

[lone salmon]

Does anyone know why I might not be getting solid sixty frapes per second with mods like MyHouse.wad? My laptop has an 840m, i7-4710HQCPU @25.0 GHz and 8 gb ram. Is it the hardware or could there be a software problem?

[vale gyro]

could just be because of GZDoom being heavy on resources

[lone salmon]

It is? Damn

Is there any way to change that? Is Zandronum less resource heavy?

[vale gyro]

not sure, never really use ZDoom based ports

I'd say fiddle with the settings a bit

maybe check your FPS cap?

[lone salmon]

It's right on 60

[vale gyro]

ah

maybe change the renderer and see if it fixes/improves it?

[lone salmon]

Ok

Thanks

[hexed escarp]

Where does the black/gray brick texture come from that is used heavily in the last episode of scythe 2 among other things

[modest galleon]

So ID Found a waY to link Doom 3 to the story Line officialy aswell has Doom 2016. Thats fantastic. Still resting m'y mind for a few month on preparatîon of lvl 29 nightmare of Doom 2 cant Wait for More untold lore. And Doom 3

[cursive cipher]

died like 40 minutes or something into a level after I ran out of ammo and had to try punching out a Baron 👍

I had Berserk but I'm not great with the movement and also am pretty sure something sniped me from behind

[remote cedar]

Gotta go with Plutonia here. Much more consistent than TNT in terms of quality. Also a pretty healthy challenge.

[vale gyro]

rip

I recently died 10 minutes into a TNT map when I fell into a pit thinking I had to go there to progress lol

only reason it was 10 minutes was because I didn't know where to go at all

[coarse cradle]

holy shit chaingunners are insanely powerful

[remote cedar]

Yknow sometimes I'm glad these guys didn't come back in 64 and Modern Doom. Final Doom loves to spam them

[cyan spire]

Plutonia has more consistent design, I'll give it that. But the counter-argument to that is how much of that consistency comes from brutally unfair traps. Not challenging traps, mind you. ***Unfair ***traps. brb spawning 6 chaingunners behind you.

[finite crag]

The brutally unfair traps are at least engaging. TNT is the gameplay equivalent of watching paint dry.

[remote cedar]

I don't really remember unfair traps from Final Doom, only that you're forced to walk in rooms that can just vaporize you in seconds

Still though I'd rather fight 150 tough demons than 300 hitscanners

And TNT loves its hitscanners

[cyan spire]

Literally the first map of Plutonia has several of those, like that corridor trap where a monster closet containing 2 chaingunners opens up behind you. Unless you know it's coming, it's virtually impossible to not take massive damage. Stuff like that is par for the course throughout Plutonia. The level design itself is generally better Vs TNT, though. It's mostly the unfair encounter design that I don't really care for all that much. Tbh both Plutonia and TNT have some issues with encounter design; Plutonia has too many revenants and TNT too many chaingunners.

[remote cedar]

Yeah, except Revenants are much more fun to fight than Chaingunners

You are however right

[coarse cradle]

Whats a better way to deal with chaingunners? Im on doom 2 rn and damn uv murdered me with the chaingunners

[remote cedar]

Fight fire with fire: use your chaingun

Or if you're feeling rich and fancy you could use a rocket to kill several chaingunners at once

[cyan spire]

Chaingunners are actually one of my fav enemies. I merely dislike the way TNT uses them. A great example is that map called 'Metal' where you have this huge open room with a bunch of chaingunners in it. They're so far away that the autoaim (required unless you're using a source port with freeaim) doesn't even work on them half the time, which makes that room brutally unfair. The only way I was able to beat it was by cheesing may way through it by luring most of the enemies on the lowest floor into a corridor where I gunned them all down, and then rocked sniped the chaingunners afterward.

[remote cedar]

Assuming you're taking cover: get our, shoot a rocket, get back to cover

[remote cedar]

Final Doom in general does like wide rooms. What you describe is how I found out Doomguy's autoaim has less range than his enemies'...

[finite crag]

As I replay Plutonia I come to really appreciate its level design. I think it has a better handle on the strengths and weaknesses of its enemies than Doom II does.

[remote cedar]

Needless to say I was pretty mad about that

[remote cedar]

How long did it take for Plutonia to be made again? Because it could be that Plutonia devs had more time to make their wad than Doom II devs did

and that would've been more time to understand how the different enemies in the game should be used

[cyan spire]

Rocket launcher becomes borderline overpowered if you have free mouseaim enabled because it lets you snipe away many of the turret enemies (chaingunners, revenants, etc) whereas normally you'd have to either get close or at least defeat the other enemies first. Though tbh the rocket launcher is a great anti-chaingunner weapon even in vanilla. Chaingunners are unironically the most dangerous enemy in the game save for the arch-vile because of their ability to attack infinitely once the attack animation starts. The spider creatures can do this also but unlike the chaingunner they can only fit in certain spaces.

[remote cedar]

Arachnotrons are also less dangerous because their projectiles aren't hitscan

[cyan spire]

Yes but they move so fast they can be really hard to avoid.

[cursive cipher]

finally beat sigil 2

[finite crag]

how do I turn a 7Z-Data into a pk3 data or wad?

[finite crag]

So, GZDoom, does it work with getting games via gamepass on pc?

[cyan spire]

All you need is the game iwad file. It doesn't matter how you install the game or where it's obtained from.

[finite crag]

ok cool, good

[finite crag]

nvm i got it

[vale gyro]

One Humanity HMP 100% is throwing me on the ground hard lol

should I just open the map up in an editor to see where the secrets are and plan my route or should I keep doing it without any other help besides the automap?

[cursive cipher]

I'm assuming you're playing with saves and loads already?

if you just can't find the secrets and are ready to throw in the towel you're free to do whatever you like really. Look it up, use cheats, look in an editor.
I'd recommend whichever method seems the most fun!

is there any source port with as nice a UI as the unity one?

[vale gyro]

nah

actually going in without saves for once

been taking a break and doing some work on some projects instead until I calm my mind a bit

also how would you describe "nice UI" in that case?

[cursive cipher]

well then
you could try doing a practice run with saves to find the secrets, then go for a single-segment run once you've located them all

[cursive cipher]

like, the menus are just so polished and easy to navigate. well-designed for modern systems. built-in launcher for wads and stuff
it's so comfy.....

[vale gyro]

well

I guess maybe Doomsday

I've never used it but it seems like it'd fid your criteria

no what, I'ma try Doomsday just to try it

nevermind, hoping there was a portable version that didn't require building it from source

I don't really like sourceports that require an installer

[vast reef]

...make one?

[cursive cipher]

maybe I will? how do you like that?
(has like 2 weeks experience in C)

[void hemlock]

you're probably gonna need more

that's unless you take it the cheater way and nab the source code from GZDoom or something

[cursive cipher]

in the addons menu
after a lot of relaunching the game and reopening the menu it decided to work

bt what now?

[vast reef]

i will watch your project with great interest (has 2 years experience in C)

[hexed escarp]

hey guys, I have for the most part played all of my doom with saves, but I want to get better at the game to be able to play harder wads. what set and on which difficulty is a good introduction to playing saveless?

i was going to do doom 2 but by map09 i started to get really annoyed by the map design

[vale gyro]

I'd say just lower the difficulty over time after like 10 deaths on a map

then after a couple maps with less than 5 deaths to raise the difficulty some if you wanna pistol start

[hexed escarp]

i don't mind things being a bit grindy

my problem with doom 2 was just that the level design was very irritating in places

what is a good map set to practice on

[vale gyro]

I didn't even see the mapset request in your question my bad

in that case, can't really give more suggestions due to my own lack of experience

[hexed escarp]

lmaooo

[cursive cipher]

Play No Chance on Nightmare

it willbe good trust

[celest coyote]

Scythe 1 is good fun for practice, or you could play alien vendetta

[hexed escarp]

i was able to make it through most of the maps from episodes 1 and 2 from scythe 1 on uv without saves

i think i only saved once during map07 bc even tho its super short i was struggling with it for some reason and getting annoyed and i also saved in map19 because its longer than others and maybe a couple others im not remembering

but then when i got to map21, i struggled very very hard to do it saveless

i did get it in the end but it took a while and i havent tried map22 yet

[celest coyote]

I still haven’t beaten fire and ice on uv.. 😄

[hexed escarp]

maybe i should try the last episode of scythe on hmp without saves

[celest coyote]

But last time I tried that was years ago..could give it another try

[celest coyote]

That sounds like a good plan

[hexed escarp]

i tried playing plutonia without saves on uv and i got thru the first 3 maps but i struggled with map04

but i also ddidnt try for THAT long, so i could probably do it eventually

[celest coyote]

Plutonia has a rough first few levels, but I’m sure you could figure it out now

[hexed escarp]

ive played all of plutonia in coop and the first 21 maps in singleplayer on uv with saves so im decently familiar with it

[celest coyote]

Anything but tnt..

[azure nimbus]

If you want to play with fewer saves, it really is going to take playing with saves first. I've done a decent amount of hard stuff and never played a map without saves before a saveless attempt. What this really means is you practice with saves and then do an attempt. Crumpets (small mapset from ribbiks(easier than his usual stuff with short punchy levels focused on ammo management) or anything from skillsaw might be a good place to start. As these wads are challenging but directed towards a broader audience than a cult classic like nosp2

[hexed escarp]

Yeah that makes sense

I mostly just want to be able to play more difficult sets without using an obscene amount of saves, and I figured playing easier things without saves would help with that, but maybe I'm mistaken

[tardy kernel]

Guys right now I'm playing doom eternal and got doom 1 2 and 3 should I try and finish doom 1 and 2?

[weak hollow]

guys, anyone can tell me if doom didnt had mouse support until they add?

[vale gyro]

Yes

[vale gyro]

Doom always had mouse support

The whole thing about doom being keyboard only is a myth

[weak hollow]

weird, i played a version without mouse

[vale gyro]

If you’re referring to the steam option to play doom with classic controls, that’s just the DOS version with the mouse turned off in the Doom config file

[weak hollow]

that must be it, i played the dos with mouse off on config file

but was in the 90s so

now the game even with ray tracing is possible

[vale gyro]

But yeah

If you ran the original setup program or even use Chocolate Doom’s setup program (it can edit the vanilla game’s config) you can see there are options for the mouse as input

The original manual also mentions the mouse

[weak hollow]

thats what im talking about, "no mouse support" = no mouse enabled in config

so it starts without mouse enabled?

[vale gyro]

Yeah

If you blaze through the original setup it does actually default to keyboard only

With the arrow keys

Although you can select keyboard and mouse and change it over to WASD

[weak hollow]

cool to know

[azure nimbus]

Playing a hard set without saves will be after playing that same lvl with saves.There's an upper limit to what can be done blind.

[hexed escarp]

My goal is not to play a hard set without saves, my goal is to be able to play a hard set without using a million saves. I'm fine with using some

And I thought that playing an easier set with no saves would help with that

[azure nimbus]

one per fight?

[hexed escarp]

Smthn like that

[azure nimbus]

reasonable

[hexed escarp]

I just generally want to get more consistent at the game

My end goal is sunlust uv-max pistol start with no mid fight saves. Idk how ambitious that is tho

[azure nimbus]

That's very doable

[hexed escarp]

i've done Eviternity 1 uv pistol start (not always fully maxing) with minimal mid fight saves (i think i might have done them sometimes)

the problem with that set tho is that with many of the maps its hard to divide them into distinct fights

since they are more exploratory

so I had a hard time knowing when to save in various parts

[azure nimbus]

SL is a mix between arenas and more open stuff

[hexed escarp]

what could i play to practice and move toward that goal

[celest coyote]

I did that my first time through sunlust. Definitely doable

[hexed escarp]

what was the hardest thing you had done before having done that?

[celest coyote]

Not sure. Everyone has somewhat of a subjective take on difficulty. I never play saveless, but I always UV pistol-start anything I play.

I still think Fire and Ice (Scythe 1 - Map 30) is hard as balls, while God Machine (Sunlust Map 30) I beat first try.

If some level is generally harder than what I’m used to, my mind tends to think it is poorly optimized…but that’s just me.

Magnolia on UV was fun, not hard.
But the last TWO levels of the 1x1 project are beyond stupid when it comes to difficulty, at least when I ran them

Map 20-21 of 1x1…I’ll never touch those again

It gets to a point where it isn’t even fun to play anymore, for me

[cursive cipher]

Doom has to be the only game where a chaingun can be a "sniping" weapon

[vale gyro]

had to save per secret and use the wiki to give me clues on the secret locations but I got the HMP 100% on One Humanity

gonna try a single-segment on it later once I got the guts to do it

but I can tell as long as I get past the sewer area without dying I should be fine

it isn't even my first single segment run on the map because I somehow did it first try on my inital blind playthrough

[hexed escarp]

Doom has to be the only game where a shotgun can be a "sniping" weapon

[vale gyro]

got the run first try somehow

[cursive cipher]

fair, but honestly the classic doom shotgun is probably more accurate to the real thing than how they're often depicted in games lol

like their "short range" thing gets massively overstated. You don't see hunters getting right up in a deer's face for a shot

it may be the only game with a sniping shotgun, but sniping shotguns aren't as foreign a concept as games would have you believe 😆

[azure nimbus]

quake

[merry timber]

maybe try doom retro, has a similar design

[vale gyro]

you'll get used to them

just cower behind a wall and pepper them with the SSG most of the time

Tangerine Nightmare got me used to them real quick

[vale gyro]

But yeah I did lose a decent chunk of time because I forgot the second secret and one of the items, plus going in the wrong direction a couple of times

Somehow got a 7:55 even

Good time for me, proud of it for a first attempt

Although like I’ve said it’s on HMP, so technically not a valid run if I’m correct

At least they don’t respawn other archies and boss enemies

[hexed escarp]

imagine hunted if archies could respawn each other

[vale gyro]

Oh god no

They’d just infinitely revive each other

[hexed escarp]

yeah

you would have to guard the corpses of the ones you have killed already

[vale gyro]

Which would be near impossible when there’s more than 2 archies

[azure nimbus]

Play NoSp2

[vale gyro]

No thanks :)

[mellow matrix]

Play NoSp3 instead. Best selection of songs in a wad ever

[hexed escarp]

im returning to my scythe 2 playthrough after a long break

im on map22, and i HATE the evil marines. it just feels like there is no consistent strategy to fighting them. just pray to rngesus

[celest coyote]

NoSp? More like No thanks

[azure nimbus]

even after beating all of scythe 2, and using some light TASing(pause spam) to do a true uvmax of map31(secret exit and all kills in that all-marines deathmatch), I still couldn't tell you a good strat for them besides knowing where they'll be in advance.

[hexed escarp]

the problem is even if you know where they will be

that is only where they will be for the next 0.0000001 seconds

[azure nimbus]

0.03 s

[mellow matrix]

The map22 evil marines are what prevent me from beating Scythe 2. I've never gotten to map23.

[viscid dawn]

Wanting to take a break from 2016, and my Doom skills are very rusty. Should I go through Doom 1 again, including E4 this time? Jump straight into Doom 2, since I've never really played it much? Or say screw it and just do a weekend of classic Doom binge of both 1 and 2?

[vale gyro]

You could just do the “screw it” route if you got the spare time

Otherwise I say just play whatever you find more interesting really

[deft shuttle]

anyone here play classic doom vr ?

[vale gyro]

best bet is in the #doom-3 channel man

don't even own Doom 3 man

..I need Doom 3 for that sir

I and this server's rules is against piracy

and I don't own it at all

[blissful lava]

its illegal

[vast reef]

imo aaa piracy is ok

indie is iffy

[remote cedar]

for me it really depends.
If I bought the game on console I technically already own it so by pirating it for PC I'm not stealing it.
Otherwise I try to buy my games as much as I can, be it a AAA or indie title.

I did start playing Doom by having doom2.wad downloaded by complete mistake when I was really into Mega Man 8-bit Deathmatch. That mistake is now corrected since I own all Doom games legally now... and I stopped playing Mega Man 8-bit Deathmatch

[remote cedar]

The key to owning your games is either through key selling sites or Steam sales. That way you can buy games cheaper and still own them legally, which is a good middle ground between piracy and paying full price.

[void hemlock]

[remote cedar]

Is that a weed keycard

WEED (1993)

[upper crypt]

DEEM

[void hemlock]

YEAH IT’S OKAY MAN

I GOT THE WEED CARD

[remote cedar]

SHIT!

Also that was a good reference lmao I didn't even think about that

[wide sinew]

Fun fact: if you add up all the official and semi-official Classic Doom levels (The Ultimate Doom, Doom II, Sigil, Sigil 2, No Rest for the Living, The Master Levels, Sewers, Betray, Tech Gone Bad, Phobos Mission Control, One Humanity, and Final Doom), you get a total of 185 maps (all of which I've played through).

[hollow wolf]

Hi, I'm the creator of the DN3DooM mod, just to let you know I've recently posted an update.
New version v.1.08 is out. Enjoy!
https://www.moddb.com/mods/dn3doom

[forest dock]

okay mfs how do I get better at DOOM1/2?? I play on console and the controls are so wonky

[coarse cradle]

Really wonky? Damn. It feels great on console even on the switch for me. A console honestly fits for boomer shooters like DOOM imo. If you want to get better, theres not much to it. Just make sure to strafe around to avoid dmg. The ai is fairly simple. Make sure to get rid of hitscanners first since they have more accuracy than imps. You'll also have to manage ammo and switch around weapons for the perfect scenario. Really, its about abusing cover and strafing, managing weapons and priotizing enemies.

[forest dock]

thats what I've been doing really, so thats good

and with wonky I mean I need to go through my entire arsenal just to get to one weapon

[coarse cradle]

Then youre doing pretty well already. I'd say run more

[coarse cradle]

Exactly why you have to scan the environment and think of which weapon is perfect for the situation before going into the room itself

If theres hordes, chaingun is your best friend

[forest dock]

mhm I getcha I getcha

[coarse cradle]

Honestly for me i only use the rockets when i know where an ambush is going to spawn and i can maintain some range to spam rockets

[forest dock]

the trophies are pretty tame on ps4 but theres one pretty hard one

beat the entire game in less than 2 hours

[coarse cradle]

Itytd 🥶

[forest dock]

Yeah I know, but the maps are fucking mazes

[coarse cradle]

For that i guess you just play on itytd and have auto run on to speed through maps. Also have a good guide that you remember fairly i suppose

[forest dock]

yeah

I should play through the game atleast once, right??

[coarse cradle]

More than once if you cant remember the locations

[forest dock]

True

I think the gameplays fun

but the maps are not enjoyable at all

and the fact that you cant look up or down is very annoying

[coarse cradle]

Oof, yeah. The puzzles get annoying but i think if you maintain a good sport they'd be fun to figure out

[coarse cradle]

Eh. Just focus on the crosshair when it gets red to shoot enemies above

[forest dock]

Yeah, its just I tried to get the speedrun acheivement immediately so I didn't really think rationally

I mean I was on track

[coarse cradle]

Man what was u doing it 😭😭🙏🙏

[forest dock]

I was in the middle of The Shores of Hell or what its called, and I was on 50 minutes

[forest dock]

idk brother🙏🏾😭

[coarse cradle]

I lowkey cant make it through the first level without ending up on 5 shotgun ammo

[forest dock]

on Nightmare or what mode tho??

[coarse cradle]

Im starting on uv, my first playthrough after a long time

I dont play on console tho, i'd much rather use gzdoom

[forest dock]

I also played on UV when I started

Went well until I didn't understand the shooting up/down mechanics of the game

[glossy lagoon]

Is it just me, or is Plutonia's artwork ugly?

[cosmic pagoda]

wdym by artwork

textures?

[glossy lagoon]

Yeah, that's what I meant.

I've only played the first few levels so far, but the new artwork just seems kind of offputting to me.

[cosmic pagoda]

It gets better

[vast reef]

jesus that sux

[celest coyote]

Plutonia does have a very grimy/overgrowth look to it. But its aesthetic has garnered a cult following over the years. I guess people seem to like it 😁

[trim grail]

is there any other instance of a enemy being stuck in a wall like in Underhalls?

[boreal laurel]

Underhalls more like THE BEST MAP IN DOOM HISTORY

I love doom 64 but it does it does not have underhalls

[trim grail]

i prefer map11

feels like its got a good mix of stuff

[humble hollow]

Is it normal for installing brutal doom v21 and so far the there’s no crosshair the mouse cursor is different I can look up and down and that’s the only difference

Sorry if this doesn’t relate to this channel

Wait nvm I’m gonna try and drag it into gz doom again because the only iwads are ultimate doom and unity edition doom

I tried dragging it in but that’s still the only wads

[hexed escarp]

i love the plutonia aesthetic

[celest coyote]

It is good. Never really deserved the following it got to warrant a million sequels tho. A good chunk of the community conflate difficulty with plutonia, when you can have difficult levels without it being a direct plutonia reference.

[hexed escarp]

well, lemme rephrase that

i love the plutonia episode 1 aesthetic. the aesthetic of the later levels is kinda all over the place

[smoky dawn]

anyone know what program / daw i can use to start creating custom doom midis

[hexed escarp]

I use fl studio because I already had it but I know a lot of people use sekaiju

[smoky dawn]

I use fl studio too but its not that great with midi files. I want something i can create proper doom music in case i want to use them in custom wads i may end up creating later

[hexed escarp]

You just have to know how to do it right

Basically, what you want to do, is create multiple midi out channels, one for each instrument

And make sure you set the midi channel setting of each one to a different number

This will make no sound by itself, however if you go into your mixer, and on one mixer tab, add the fruity lsd effect plug-in, this plug-in will convert the midi stream from the midi outs into audio that you can actually hear

But you have to make sure you set the midi port in fruity lsd to be the same as in the midi out plugins

Then to do drums, just set one of your midi outs to channel 10, and that will be drums

Then when you export to midi, it will export properly

Hope this helps. This is what I do when making midis

You could also try sekaiju but personally I found the interface hard to get used to from fl

[celest coyote]

Aria maestoza is free and makes doom music

Also not nearly as daunting to use as sekaiju

[smoky dawn]

thanks

[forest dock]

does DOOM 1 and 2 multiplayer still have players

[vale gyro]

If you look on the right server browser, probably

Mainly Doom 2, though

Don’t think I ever saw a Doom 1 server up

[remote cedar]

I'd recommend using Doomseeker to look up online Doom servers

[forest dock]

ok

[vast reef]

why would you do this

brother just use a launcher

[finite crag]

by the way super sonic doom and license to spell doom doesn't have multiplayer, but I've seen scythe 2, alien vendetta, and community chest in multiplayer

[hexed escarp]

my favorite wad to play coop is Eviternity

[eager solstice]

plutonia 2 is a ball buster

[cosmic pagoda]

yeah definitely, im currently pistol starting it

its got some banger maps tho

lurking fear my beloved

also best midi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnQCCV1orhc

so damn good

[potent comet]

anybody know some good doom wads (just levels no custom weapons) to play?

[cosmic pagoda]

what kind of gameplay you into?

[potent comet]

any goes really

[cosmic pagoda]

have you tried going down?

[potent comet]

anything*

[cosmic pagoda]

going down one of my favourite megawads

[potent comet]

sir that counts as sexual harassment /joking. Yea i think i tried it once with some brutal doom fork

might need to revist it

[cosmic pagoda]

lmao, didnt even realise 😄

[cosmic pagoda]

definitely should, the maps are so creative, and the music too

[potent comet]

kk thx

Any good gameplay mods you recommend?

no total conversions pls

[cosmic pagoda]

sadly no, I dont do mods, however im certain someone here can recommend you something

[potent comet]

k thx

[vast reef]

pillowblaster's mods (trailblazer, guncaster, russian overkill) and terminusest13's mods (high noon drifter, demonsteele, highway accelerated booster)

god complex

reelism

zmovement

gzchaos

gmota, project malice, merciless extermination

colorful hell, champions, hearts of demons mods

[potent comet]

Danke!

[brave cave]

I launched GZ doom and half of the textures are missing, how to fix this bug

[cosmic pagoda]

load the correct iwad

[sick mist]

Bitte!

[foggy beacon]

hello ┬─┬ノ( º _ ºノ)

[stiff merlin]

Is there a good colonial marines mod? Or just one where you fight aliens

[cosmic pagoda]

tbh that genre of stuff kinda ruins what made the original alien good

xenomorphs being this unstoppable force made the movie tense, hence isolation was one of the best games of the franchise

[stiff merlin]

oh yeah absolutely, what you said around here is absolutely true

i usually dislike that type of movies or games where the enemy is just basically like

overpowered

the threat is only to civilians and people who arent the main character

sometimes you just are in the mood for stuff like that

and doom for me feels like a game that could really run with any theme

[hoary vault]

Hey folks, I made a new mod loader for Doom that's meant to be polished and simple. Should be useful for any GZDoom fans 🙃 https://github.com/popcar2/CleanDoom

[vast reef]

yooo

[vale gyro]

Looks quite nice actually. Kinda amazed Godot can do this type of stuff

[hoary vault]

Thanks. I actually wrote a blog post about creating GUI apps with Godot a while ago. 's quite nice.

[vale gyro]

Though may I ask how hard it was getting external applications to run in code? At least with C# and WinForms in my implementation of a Doom frontend it took me an unnecessary amount of debugging.

[hoary vault]

Really easy, actually. For my mod loader I just use OS.create_process(gzdoom_exe_path, arguments) where arguments is an array of strings

[vale gyro]

Man I wish it would’ve been that simple for me lol

But yeah, ill probably try out your loader when I get home, never seen one that actually looks nice

[hoary vault]

Let me know what you think 🙂

[abstract gust]

yea, the bug where you can't see the ceiling or floors? only solution my inexperienced ass could find is to run it on OpenGL

[vale gyro]

quite nice the setup saves between sessions automatically without needing to directly setup a profile, feels nice to use, too

[cosmic pagoda]

yeah could be useful for gzdoom users

but a 41Mb binary for a simple launcher?

[vale gyro]

if you think that's bad, mines is even worse at 131 due to how bloated single file compiling can get on .NET 6 (note that it is self contained and does not require the installation of .NET on the user's end, probably the reason for the larger file size)

[cosmic pagoda]

damn

[vale gyro]

also if it's possible on your system you could compress the windows version to .zip just to make it a bit more user friendly for people who don't want to install something like 7Zip

just a minor thing that probably won't really affect many people, though

[hoary vault]

Ehhh, apps have gotten pretty big and there's no good way around it sadly. ProtonUp-Qt is like a tiny GUI and that's like 80mb

There is a way to compress the Windows version to under 20mb but windows defender considers it a virus so

[vale gyro]

I hate Defender

to be fair it' also doesn't flag any of my applications I make as viruses every 30 seconds (I'm looking at you, Norton..)

[hoary vault]

You should absolutely uninstall norton, it's borderline malware

[vale gyro]

it was on my old PC for the last couple months of it's lifespan (as in me actually using it, not in parts breaking), not anymore

[mortal carbon]

owo

owoowo

hi

[tired temple]

Microsoft's AV has been pretty solid since 10. There's also more behind the scene features in 10/11 making your PC secure.

11's requirement of the TPM, trusted platform module, hardware has thrown another hurdle in the way of malware developers.

Speaking of 11, how compatible is GZDoom? I'm considering moving to 11 and compatibility issues are the hindrance.

[hoary vault]

Zero issues, GZDoom is regularly updated and runs perfectly fine on modern systems

[cursive cipher]

Guys which half of Final Doom should I play first

[cursive cipher]

TNT it is

[cosmic pagoda]

note that TNT is boring

[vale gyro]

I find it quite fun

Not done with it just to note

[cosmic pagoda]

there are a few good maps

but most of it is way too large maps very sparsely populated with low tier enemies

[cosmic pagoda]

also it suffers from being on the same release as plutonia, the contrast with the best iwad ever made makes it seem even worse

[cosmic pagoda]

yea

however that midi pack solves that issue

some absolute bangers in there

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRjlP-Z4Urc

[cursive cipher]

I finished the first, like, episode, ig

They really like chaingunners here huh

[cursive cipher]

It was some Doom levels ig
How long is it as a whole? I imagine that's like a third?

[cursive cipher]

This level is hard!

[low schooner]

TNT isn't boring

[remote cedar]

It's still not fun

[finite crag]

i spent 30 minutes walking around a level of this game trying to find the blue door

for. 30. minutes. I was going in circles

i forget lol
something from knee deep in the dead

[worldly furnace]

oh no long levels my weakness

i typically like short ones because i get very lost in long levels

i like the pit i don't know if it's a long level not sure

[cosmic pagoda]

I have evidence to the contrary, allow me to present exhibit A:

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/MAP21:_Administration_Center_(TNT:_Evilution)

[analog ridge]

MAP14 in Doom II should've had a secret

That hidden niche with the Spectre and rocket ammo should've been a secret

[spare kestrel]

ok

oh yay i can talk now

[proper sand]

I’m on E2M5 I think

Currently trying to beat both original Doom games

I got as far as Downtown on Doom 2 before my gamepass ran out, I’ll buy it later

[cursive cipher]

girl help

stuck in PRISON

[cosmic pagoda]

can you be even less descriptive of your situation

just realized I still havent converted some of the demos in 4 months lmao so I'm about to
"F:\OneDrive\_DOOM\dsda\dsda-doom.exe" -iwad "F:/OneDrive/_DOOM/dsda/DOOM.WAD" -hud "F:\OneDrive\_DOOM\dsda\HUD.lmp" -geom 1920x1440w -timedemo "F:/OneDrive/_DOOM/demos/E3M3-NM100S-2m41s" -viddump "F:/OneDrive/_VIDEO/DOOM/E3M3-NM100S-2m41s.mkv"

got it on my 151th try lol

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/710615290446217296/1225698983175917630/image.png?ex=66221421&is=660f9f21&hm=5a9f71f25474dd026ab6f83364f59640066af0497cf0d3bac67c40baaa41dda9&

doing its thing

the pinky facing you, the ones further off right and the enemies in that area are majority of NM deaths lol

[cursive cipher]

Wrong proposition. I'm stuck on Prison, in TNT.
I've gotten to the room where you're surrounded by caged imps and nobles a few times but not farther... and I did find the invul.

But I could be less descriptive if you like

[cosmic pagoda]

it was sarcasm

theres switches in the corners

[cursive cipher]

Oh

I'll check there next time then

[cosmic pagoda]

yeah you gotta open em one by one, each one opening next cage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uW2_DZ09zrI
actually completed that map according to file date 29. december last year

[weak cloak]

I FUCKING HATE THAT MAP

[tawdry arch]

My ptsd is coming back

[cosmic pagoda]

the next is even worse on nighmare

[finite crag]

Hey, any good megawads with a level design philosophy similar to plutonia 1 and 2 ?

[celest coyote]

Cydonia

Combat Shock 1, until it stops pretending to be a Plutonia mapset

[low schooner]

I never played the tnt and Plutonia

But I can try

[stiff merlin]

where can i get tnt wad? cant find it on steam

[hexed escarp]

do you own doom 2 on steam?

[stiff merlin]

doom eternal wads

[hexed escarp]

ah

well one thing i will warn you of is that the doom eternal wads are a bit different from the normal ones

so it could break various mods and maps

[stiff merlin]

oh, i see

[hexed escarp]

if you buy doom 2 on steam, you will get the proper doom 2 wad, and then you can download tnt and plutonia as addons andd then fish them out of the steam folder

or if you buy doom 2 on gog, you get the doom 2 and tnt and plutonia wads much more straightforwardly

those are the two non-piracy ways to get doom 2 and final doom these days

[stiff merlin]

okay, i see, thanks

[vale gyro]

I think Doom 2 on Steam straight up includes Final Doom and the Master Levels as I never downloaded them from the Addons menu

[hexed escarp]

oh

that may be true

so yeah buy doom 2 on steam or gog and you will get final doom

[cursive cipher]

you also just get the proper wads from the steam version which you can use on the source port of your choice

[tawdry tinsel]

doom 1 is eye cancer

[stiff merlin]

how does one kill the living ends cyberdemon at the end?

actually, nvm

[stiff merlin]

why? it looks nice for its age

im sure there are wads that make it look very good

[tawdry tinsel]

its the movement for me personally

and the flashing

[stiff merlin]

i dont reckon movement is the same thing as visuals

you can always change settings in your sourceport of choice

and dooms movement is the sweetest i have ever used personally

[vale gyro]

agreed

I genuiely like how Doomguy moves

[stiff merlin]

its unusual for a game to have nice fast movement, very nice and low to the ground, and not making it slippery

[vale gyro]

until vertical platforming needs to happen (The Chasm, for example)

[stiff merlin]

chasm isnt bad

i liked chasm alot

[vale gyro]

I found it quite annoying in my opinion

[stiff merlin]

just gotta slowdown and use the toggle walk once in the game

[stiff merlin]

its for me alot higher than most see it, but its not my favourite level

[vale gyro]

one issue

[stiff merlin]

not even close, though i cant tell which levels i like the most

[vale gyro]

there's these pillars that I'm talking about

not the tightrope, which I was fine with

[stiff merlin]

pillars? i dont remember exactly which ones

some kind of tight jumps?

[vale gyro]

those pillars sucked because you need to run across then stop on them, which is hard when you were literally just running

gimme a second, gonna look at them

[stiff merlin]

oh, i dont remember them in the level but i know what type of obstacle you talking about

its also in level 15 i think?

you gotta make a leap of faith to get to a platform

[vale gyro]

at least I think it's map 24..

[stiff merlin]

wdym?

industrial zone has a leap of faith, 24 is chasm

[vale gyro]

oh yeah, found them

[stiff merlin]

i think

[vale gyro]

the red pillars (ref photo deleted)

[stiff merlin]

oh these????

[vale gyro]

just sent it, most likely will delete it sooner or later to clear up that channel a bit from a somewhat unrelated image

[stiff merlin]

i never had a problem with those, those were not a problem, i just ran off of them

and they were there only when you messed up i think

[vale gyro]

iirc they were essential to beating that map

could be wrong, though

[stiff merlin]

i dont remember

but even then, just ran off of them

[vale gyro]

I personally couldn't

had to run to one to the other, stopping midway due to the curve

that's where I had an issue because well, no freelook player here

because I hate GZDoom due to it's kinda funky movement and rendering style

[stiff merlin]

oh you use gz

maybe thats why, i used dsda for my playhthroughs

[vale gyro]

I don't

I quite literally just said I didn't

[stiff merlin]

oh wait

[vale gyro]

ok, I can see why you got confused, sorry

[stiff merlin]

umm, sorry... its 23:34 where i am i should be in bed probably

im thinking how, intriguing of a fight map30 is

as a boss fight, its so, intriguing

[vale gyro]

I genuinely had somewhat of a hard time with that map

[stiff merlin]

not gonna say bad or good. but its so interesting as a concept

[vale gyro]

I actually have no clue why I did

oh wait, yeah

RNG wasn't on my side that day

[stiff merlin]

why though? for me its super easy as a map

[vale gyro]

spawned one too many archviles consistently

[stiff merlin]

spam bfg

double rockets

i didnt actually know archviles are possible to be spawned

maybe i was just lucky

[vale gyro]

they got a low chance of spawning

but I also have a little thing known as "horrible luck"

[stiff merlin]

im not a hardcore gamer so i accept all my deaths, maybe for others its that when they get 5 deaths or 2 they are playing bad

[vale gyro]

I reset the game and the RNG thankfully then helped me a bit

[stiff merlin]

i died alot today doing it, but i am chilling with it

[vale gyro]

I don't even know how the RNG table screwed me over that bad

[stiff merlin]

i changed my mindset to having fun in other ways

[stiff merlin]

map30 is the answer

[vale gyro]

There was no way there was that many RNG calls that called for an archvile like 3 times per life

[stiff merlin]

Very weird

[vale gyro]

yeah

[stiff merlin]

Imagine if a speedrunner had that situation

[vale gyro]

I prefer Doom 1's maps to be fair

so I'm still slowly adjusting to how Doom 2 maps are structured

[stiff merlin]

Honestly id say, archvile shouldnt spawn on this boss, its already an enemy clusterfuck and there is little cover

[vale gyro]

only played 2 once while I've played all 3 episodes at least 3 times, and UDoom twice

[stiff merlin]

Yeah, i noticed it, i dont know what it is exactly but there is something about the structure of the maps thats super different

I play doom 2 alot more than 1 lately

[vale gyro]

Doom 1's my go to for a quick breather

[stiff merlin]

I beat doom 1, beat doom 2 on uv, but havent done full doom 1 on uv

[vale gyro]

I've beat the entirety of UDoom on UV just recently

only played Doom 2 on HMP

[stiff merlin]

Totally, my biggest gripe is how doom 2 is structurex like a single chapter and you cant start from the middle without console

[vale gyro]

might try both Sigils on UV (god help me on Sigil 2 if I decide to do it)

[stiff merlin]

Its just easy to say, hmm imma play some inferno

But doom 2s level design is honestly, intriguing

[vale gyro]

both Sigils were already a pain on HMP

I already know Sigil 2 is torture on UV for even some experienced players

and I'm 100% not an experienced player

[stiff merlin]

I will play sigil one day

[vale gyro]

do it

but start it on HMP

[stiff merlin]

I first wanna do all the mainline stuff

[vale gyro]

don't do it on UV first try, especially Sigil 2

[stiff merlin]

Imo, never pick uv on your first playthrough

[vale gyro]

Spoiler: ||there is a cyberdemon on every single map on uv||

[stiff merlin]

I did beat doom 2 on it, it wasnt too hard but the community literally kind of forces it

[vale gyro]

I wouldn't say so

[stiff merlin]

I met really cool people about it but some seriously are jackasses

[vale gyro]

most people here would rather you play on a difficulty that's fun rather than grind your face off on a difficulty too hard for you

[stiff merlin]

I disagree

Some folk are really adamant about how "doom was supposed to be played on uv!!! It was intended!!! You are not a real gamer if you dont do uv!!!"

[vale gyro]

those people also spread the false claim "Doom was meant to be played keyboard only!" most of the time

but seriously

if you ever find a mapset too hard, just lower the skill level before you start hating the game

[stiff merlin]

I mean yeah, aftee enough time i did accept it

Had this happen to me in half life lately, and while most "gamers" would frown upon it, i did lower from hard to normal

[vale gyro]

I only did Doom 1's first 3 episodes on UV to challenge myself

I the later thought it was possible for me to beat E4 on UV and I decided to grind that out

[stiff merlin]

Im gonna say, classic dooms skill curve is not about movement as much as knowing where is the hidden stuff. The moment you know the map, you can usually beat it, atleast in doom 1 and 2

[vale gyro]

games got difficulty settings for a reason

I usually play on the easiest or normal difficulty settings when I play games, man

sure I suck

[stiff merlin]

And for some reason, i cant accept myself playing like that

Like i couldnt literally, which is horrible

[vale gyro]

but I'm probably having more fun than the gatekeepers of those games

but yeah, just play how you want pretty much

Want to play on UV? Play on it. Find the game too hard and need to lower the skill level? Just do it and have a fun time.

[stiff merlin]

You are having it for sure

But the problem is due to those people, my mindset is broken, and it doesnt feel right

[vale gyro]

honestly was the same way

you'll get your mindset back together hopefully

but yeah man, do whatever you wish to do with the game

if it feels right and you are having fun, just keep going with what you're doing

[low schooner]

Tnt Takes place on Jupiter

[mellow matrix]

If it really bothers you that much to play on something other than UV I would suggest using easier difficulties as warm ups. Personally I get a lot of value out of playing something on HMP and then going back to UV to see the differences. It's cool seeing how different enemies/enemy placement affect how fights play out.

[leaden forge]

[celest coyote]

Play Breathless on UV your first time and beat it no problem like a champ

[finite crag]

the radiation suit protects from lava 🗿

[jade eagle]

[jagged hawk]

What’s the best classic doom game

[cursive cipher]

am i reading this wrong or can the rocket launcher's direct hit damage cary eightfold

[vale gyro]

imo it’s Doom 1 when it comes to the actual base levels (haven’t fully played through either of the IWADs for Final Doom). Doom 2 easily wins when it comes to modding, though.

[cursive cipher]

I mean Doom 2 assets is just Doom 1 but better

so yeah

[remote cedar]

Gotta give this one to Doom 1993. Doom 64 is a close second

[remote cedar]

It has more content but the level design is weaker

[cursive cipher]

I meant that, yeah
in regards to the modding statement

[remote cedar]

Oh yeah yeah true

[cursive cipher]

like obviously it's better for modding it has everything from the last game and more lol

[remote cedar]

For modding there's simply no reason not to use Doom II as the base

[vale gyro]

just adding that I’m talking pure Doom 1, not Thy Flesh Consumed (context: I have a bad relationship with E4)

[remote cedar]

So would that mean Doom II > The Ultimate Doom but Doom 1993 > Doom II?

[vale gyro]

could you rephrase this please?

My mind ain’t minding

[upper crypt]

Doom 2

[remote cedar]

Doom II is better than The Ultimate Doom (Doom 1993 + Thy Flesh Consumed) but Doom 1993 is better than Doom II?

[upper crypt]

No

[vale gyro]

Pretty much in my opinion

I don’t find E4 bad, I just don’t exactly like playing it, mainly because of E4M1 and E4M6

had a bit more fun with Doom 2 than I did with Episode 4

[remote cedar]

Yeah those two levels really suck

But otherwise E4's not bad

So I'm not exactly sure how it can bring The Ultimate Doom lower than Doom II with just that episode alone

[vale gyro]

I’ve never had a good relationship with E4 and it’s levels to be fair

so it’s mere personal preference (hence, “in my opinion”)

[jagged hawk]

Honestly doom 1 seems kinda boring ish

Like you need to explore the entire map in order to actually have fun

[hoary vault]

I'm probably in the minority here but I don't like doom 1 or doom 2's levels

Compare the older level designs to quake 1 and it's a night and day difference

[worn lion]

Doom 2's maps are easier to forgive with the context that the entire game was only made in 10 months. John Carmack was already starting on the Quake 1 engine, and John Romero was busy handling other business such as costume ports, distribution companies, playing death match with gamers and collecting Ferraris.

So they hired extra help, like Sandy Peterson (who came in during the final stages of Doom 1) American McGee, and Shawn Green.

Since they were all on such a time crunch, they didn't go for consistency, but for experimental map design, which is why Doom 2 is all over the place with design and difficulty

*console ports

More or less, almost every Doom 2 map is based around some sort of gimmick. Tricks 'n Traps, the Crusher, Barrels of Fun, Gotcha, etc.

[void hemlock]

That's also what makes it fun imo, as you don't know what to expect (even when I replay it) next unlike Doom 1 where you basically know what you will go up against

I'm not in full defense of Doom 2's maps though, but I'm one of the few who do like them

[worn lion]

That's a good point. I personally like the experimental approach to the levels. Even if it's a mixed bag of quality, doom 2 is chalk full of innovative ideas

Most players despised the chasm, but speed runners flocked to it

[void hemlock]

When I first played Doom 2 for the first time I had a BLAST

I did also have a blast when I played Doom 1, but Doom 2 felt VERY special to me in a good way

[worn lion]

I'm in the same boat as you, Doom 1 is the better game, but I like doom 2 much more

The arch vile and Super shotgun were brilliant additions to the game

[void hemlock]

all of the monsters in Doom 2 (no, not you chaingunner, back off) were great additions and were sentimental towards the series

[hexed escarp]

chaingunners are great

[void hemlock]

no

[hexed escarp]

yes

[remote cedar]

Chaingunners can be used in some nasty setups. It's up to you as a mapmaker not to be a douche and use them carefully

[edgy drum]

We did it, chat
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/144406
https://youtu.be/CqjkbA1AloI

[hallow ginkgo]

Hi guys I'm newi here I don't quite understand how to use this server, help please, does anyone here speak spanish 😢 I'm latina so spanish will be cool🙋🏻‍♀️

[vast reef]

woahh

[west stream]

i have a question about doom modding, or classic doom modding, recently i bought doom 2 and wanted to play the byoc mod with my buddies, i made an account on the sentinel's playground, set my server up and hosted it, but whenever i went through doomseeker and loaded the server, the game treats the server as if me and my buddies were playing singleplayer, we cant play together and i want to know any way we can fix this and have all of us play together?

[cosmic pagoda]

plutonia

[vast reef]

plutonia

[worn lion]

To me it's a tie between ultimate Doom and Plutonia. Plutonia is sadistic but it's all done with intent and reason. God DAMN do the casali brothers know how to make even a single chaingunner or arch vile so dangerous and intimidating

[hexed escarp]

Plutonia

[modest galleon]

So we got no save features or online coop mp for Doom & Doom 2 AT the 30th anniversaire.....

[cosmic pagoda]

wdym

[hexed escarp]

yeah we got jack squat from id themselves, but we got sigil 2 and eviternity 2 which is better than anything they could have given us anyways

[cosmic pagoda]

oh you mean on the unity port

wouldnt expect em to tbh

todays id is a ship of theseus that is owned by bethesda

[modest galleon]

Yah but lvl 29 on nightmare Côme on on Doom 2 you cant even save or Play online you Gotta couch coop or Play share Play and it lags

[cosmic pagoda]

get a better source port

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[modest galleon]

Im on playstation

[vale gyro]

RIP

[modest galleon]

Yah Will be a "nightmare" that level

Still letting m'y mind processus it until im ready

[cosmic pagoda]

I mean doom can run on pretty much anything, can probably get an old laptop for free to take advantage of owning your system and being able to use whatever sourceport you like and load pwads

[modest galleon]

Im doing it for the trophy

To move on to Doom 3

Legit

[cosmic pagoda]

well nightmare is not supposed to be easy

[modest galleon]

True

They could have alloweds cheats like in Doom 64 or just made it able to save or online coop would help

Instead they bugged the ennemies with a patch...

Buffed*

[vale gyro]

Nightmare since it's addition never allowed cheats

only one that works would've been the IDDT cheat

[modest galleon]

I Méan hey AT least we got New skin on Eternal this gives me motivation. Maybe this summer Ill find Strength for lvl 29. We gonna have lots of marine casualities . Doom 1 was hard aswell

On psn version of Doom 2 if you activate you cant pop trophies anymore

Same with Doom 1

Bit at least if we could save on coop....

I was expecting an update for 30th anniversary

Was making nightmares AT the END of Doom 1 campaign on nightmare ov diying all the Time and seing red. Taking m'y Time for m'y mind to be on perfect condition for lvl 29

[finite crag]

is it just me or do enemies have better aim on nightmare mode

[vale gyro]

it's mainly because they become turrets in nightmare and just keep shooting

[cosmic pagoda]

no, but they have 0 reaction time

[cosmic pagoda]

that too yes

that particular feature actually makes arch viles and cyberdemons easier on nightmare

[noble fractal]

the only thing i really hate about doom 2 is the pain elementals

its just such a shitty concept for an enemy

[hexed escarp]

same

[hoary vault]

Pain elementals are cool but a spawner enemy shouldn't be so tanky, I think they should've had half as much HP

[dire yacht]

i just hate they like

spawn souls after they die

[hexed escarp]

its just like

"hey you know the enemy from the first game that everyone hated because it was a total nuissance? What if we made an enemy that infinitely spawns those, they will love it!"

[vast reef]

nah

we dont have any other summoner enemies

• the pain elemental's the only thing that can restrict your movement well in large areas, most other movement restriction stuff is just "don't go here because ur in the line of sight of a ranged enemy"

[hexed escarp]

I mostly hate it's effect on rocket launcher use

[halcyon willow]

fighting pain elementals with the rocket launcher is the greatest pleasure possible to experience

scattering lost souls like snooker balls

[vale gyro]

Until one randomly charges and you face rocket yourself

[heavy walrus]

Who here has played Chex Quest?

[vast reef]

me

chex quest got me into doom LOL

[vale gyro]

I just did a full play through of CQ3 yesterday

It was more enjoyable than I expected to be honest

[wicked goblet]

when I was in highschool the laptops had DosBox pre installed so I was able to play all of chex quest in class

fun stuff loved the later episodes

[heavy walrus]

Would be sweet if they added it to the console ports as an addon.

[wicked goblet]

yeah that would be cool to see one day, hopefully its not a licensing issue cause of the chex brand and Bethesda

[heavy walrus]

I bet chex would be cool with it

[wicked goblet]

oh yeah I'm sure they wouldn't mind since its a property for a cereal prize from the 90s

[halcyon willow]

the greater the risk, the greater the reward

[mellow matrix]

I hate lost souls enough that as long as the face rocket doesn't kill me I consider it worth it

[violet sundial]

I'm playing doom 2 for the first time :D

I'm in downtown

[violet sundial]

Very scary

[formal valley]

someone got a spare bfg projectile sprite

[vale gyro]

Just rip it out with Slade

Doubt anyone just has one laying around

[lost trout]

hey everyone!

has anyone here ever played the jumpmaze series?

[violet sundial]

UV

I'm on M16 now and I think I can hear multiple archviles

[lost trout]

usually not always

i just did a test shot and the archvile did not go into pain

this is on HMP. anyhow, dont rely on pain state - archviles are the LEAST likely monster to go into pain state.

ahhh i suck at jumpmaze lol

[violet sundial]

tbh I think m16 is the worst level in the entire series

I was having fun up until the house of gore or w.e

[violet sundial]

Now that I'm past it it's actually a pretty cool mission

[cursive cipher]

To whoever making TNT who thought it was ok to lock you in a clear room with an Archvile... I just wanna talk

[cursive cipher]

ok am i missing something or am i just supposed to block him from teleporting in in the first place lol

i noticed there were teleporters in the corner of the room that lead to the middle and I was like oh maybe I was supposed to telefrag him

but uhhh that does not work

not consistently at all, at least

[wicked goblet]

classic doom archvile cannot be the same demon as eternals archvile

the pure evil of classic can't be improved on

[cosmic pagoda]

what map

[ember flower]

why cant i import pics of my mods

[vast reef]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/890530510969897000/1046441425505624104/image.png?ex=66252b05&is=6612b605&hm=17051b50a09071db843fa07ff934fe453bab3abe75c91eed15a8ff3da8da0f3e&

[cursive cipher]

uhhh TNT "The Mill" I believe

[cosmic pagoda]

ah a casali map

just kill him

you should have the plasma by now

[wanton flax]

yo, anyone wanna play death match gzdoom, if so can u make teh game and il join

[cursive cipher]

don't get the plasma in that map until after

i did manage to block him a couple times which worked well enough
it just
feels like really asshole design to make you have to do that lol

[cosmic pagoda]

well its casali

[wanton flax]

ples

[cosmic pagoda]

far from being the meanest casali trap

youll get far worse onse you hit plutonia

[cosmic pagoda]

shouldnt pistol start your first time around a wad

[cursive cipher]

Brute force baby
Just keep playing the level and you'll beat it eventually 😎

[lost trout]

some maps FORCE you to pistol start plus many wads i play nowadays are far harder. Hell Revelations, Sunder all come to mind.

[cursive cipher]

This feels like a "so you hate waffles?" situation

[cosmic pagoda]

k

[wicked goblet]

yeah that's when they do the level transition like at the end of phobos anomaly right?

[cosmic pagoda]

yea

usually thats every 5 maps in a modern megawad

[supple sand]

what r all the idbehold cheats

[violet sundial]

How do players here feel about savescumming

[cursive cipher]

I beat the stage, genuinely pretty sure you have to either block him or just get really good RNG

[magic plank]

I went through the doom eternal with additions

[cursive cipher]

how do you define it?
if you save after every encounter and reload vigorously if you take any too much damage, it'll probably spoil your fun
if you save after major encounters or checkpoints, that could be fun
saving after every level? fair yeah
not saving at all, beating every stage in one go? that can be fun, if not time consuming

only "wrong" way to play is a way that's not fun

[violet sundial]

The first one is how I'm saving and loading and yeah it wasn't fun during m16 for the above reason lol

I'm on m20 now and I'm thinking about either restarting or just finishing up and then replaying in a less cowardly manner lmao

[cursive cipher]

that's how I used to play like, NES games on my 3DS when I was a kid. They were hard and punishing (game overs... yikes!) so I'd just save scum pretty much the whole time lol
i must have gotten some enjoyment out of it considering how much i did it

[violet sundial]

It just feels like I'm cheapening the experience lol

Maybe having one save at the start would be less "scummy" bc pistol start sounds a bit hard

[cursive cipher]

the way I've been playing lately is just no saves. Start the game, play the level until I beat it, keep going
if I get through the stage stacked up and with nice weapons, cool, I keep them for the next stage and can use them
but if I die I lose them, pistol start
I think it makes a fun dynamic, I get the cool reward of keeping my weapons but also the experience of pistol starting which I find fun

[cursive cipher]

yeah no that's totally fair, it's just standard game rules these days

[lost trout]

depends on the level for me

[violet sundial]

I was thinking about this and just using save/load to take breaks

After all it doesn't say reload, just load

[cursive cipher]

personally I've been finding pistol start pretty fun tho, I like the dynamic of finding the new weapons, and it makes a lot of secrets much more meaningful

[cursive cipher]

take breaks, like, away from the computer?

[vast reef]

brother

thats kind of

[cursive cipher]

well obviously that's totally scummy
a true doom player spends all their time on their PC, playing doom 24/7
if that's not you you can get outta here

[violet sundial]

Well I have other things to do lol