classic-doom

[pale finch]

it will

[void hemlock]

also another option

[pale finch]

uhhh what? zdl is a mod loader

[shy frost]

i use gz and it doesnt work 4 me

[pale finch]

i'd, like, suggest you to watch a quick rundown on doom mods

[shy frost]

ok thankssss

wait

will zdl resolve my problem? everything works execpt one mod, liquid texture pack, it doesnt work with brutal doom platinum, but on yt i see that it works for others, so the youtubers use zdl?

[pale finch]

oh in that case

the mods are incompatible

[shy frost]

but it works for other guys, and why it doesnt work for me

there has to be a way im sure

[pale finch]

because you need zdl

[shy frost]

ok, what is the best zdl version btw ?

[pale finch]

the last version?

[shy frost]

yeah kinda

[pale finch]

just type zdl and download from where the doom wiki links it or smth

[shy frost]

ok thanks

yo

how do i put the doom 1 into zdl

im bringing doom.wad to source port but it doesnt work

in v.3.2.2

[shy frost]

guys i need a last help

can someone try to run brutal doom platinum with a mod called liquid texture pack ? pls

tell me if it works for you

it doesnt for me, but i seee that on yt it works 4 others

[shy frost]

yo?

[pale finch]

select as iwad

[shy frost]

dont worry i did all

[pale finch]

there's a tab on the left where you can define iwads

[shy frost]

i just have a problem that is eating my brain

[pale finch]

oh ok, mods at the bottom take precedence over the ones at the top

[shy frost]

a texture pack mod inst working with bdpe

[pale finch]

so place the one you want to use at the bottom

in this case, liquid textures pack

[shy frost]

yea

[pale finch]

also, nice choice

liquids is a good mod

[shy frost]

how can i use ltp with bdpe ?

[pale finch]

place ltp below bdpe

[shy frost]

can u try and see if it works 4 u ? pls

[pale finch]

bdpe has added water splashes

[pale finch]

it does work

[shy frost]

wait

[pale finch]

hence why it isn't working

place ltp lower than BDP

[shy frost]

ltp has 3 files, i put all of them in a folder, and the folder under bdp?

[pale finch]

no

you don't have a zdl list?

like a modlist

at the left?

[shy frost]

idk what it is lol

wait

ill dm u in priv.

[jovial wing]

old doom makes it sound more boomer

classic doom sounds much better

I feel so fucking stupid

last time I played chex quest episode 3 I was so low on ammo

now I have max bullets and shells

(may or may not have spooned my way through the whole episode)

[remote cedar]

Because "Old Doom" probably refers to biblical apocalypse

[jovial wing]

and only today did I learn that commonus and bipedicus are melee

[remote cedar]

nah jk Classic Doom just sounds better + old has that somewhat negative connotation

as in "washed up" Doom? yknow what im sayin

[worthy scroll]

Well the negative connotation is fitting imo

[remote cedar]

I disagree

Classic Doom is just a different type of gameplay than Modern Doom

[jovial wing]

what?

how so?

[worthy scroll]

I don’t like old doom very much

[remote cedar]

instead of glory killing demons one by one you're running around slaughtering them as a group

[jovial wing]

it's classic doom

[remote cedar]

it's much simpler but it is by no means bad

[worthy scroll]

KDITD is alright but the rest of doom 1 ranges from mediocre to bad imo

[jovial wing]

yeah gibbing large groups of low tier enemies with the rocket launcher is really epic

[remote cedar]

I think Inferno wasn't very good but The Shores of Hell was at least half as good as Knee-Deep in the Dead

[jovial wing]

the ending of e1m6 was pretty fun

[remote cedar]

also, you're not forgetting the other games designated by the term "Classic Doom", are you?

[jovial wing]

like doom 2

[remote cedar]

Doom II introduces really cool new enemies

[jovial wing]

(EXCEPT THE PAIN ELEMENTAL)

[remote cedar]

and Doom 64 is a complete shift in atmosphere with much better visuals

[jovial wing]

fuck the pain elemental

[finite crag]

The pain elemental is underated

It's a nice concept

BUT ANNOYING

[remote cedar]

Granted, both of these games do have weaknesses (level design for some of II, hit-or-miss art direction for 64)

but damn they're good, the gameplay is the same anyway

[finite crag]

I love what they did for 64

[jovial wing]

and they had to make it spawn more when it dies

[finite crag]

And the arch vile

They are annoying as well

[worthy scroll]

Well I haven’t played doom 2

[remote cedar]

You know what I'll be real, he's genuinely not that annoying

[finite crag]

Yeah

[remote cedar]

Sure he's hard to defeat but he's not really annoying

it boils down to what demon he's reviving

thankfully he can't revive a pain elemental so there's that already

[finite crag]

But they take too much work to get rid of, running around a corner multiple times just avoid it's flames, and it takes too many hits from the super shotgun

[remote cedar]

but damn I lose my mind everytime a chaingunner comes back to life

(which made my Plutonia playthrough absolutely worse by default)

[worthy scroll]

Well archviles don’t revive dead demons. They just create new ones that are slightly powered up like what the buff totem does

[remote cedar]

That's not what they do in Doom II

Again, Classic Doom solos

At least the Pain Elemental isn't as annoying in Eternal. I'll give you that

[finite crag]

I played every other doom, except mighty and eternal

And so far the only one I beat was 2016

[remote cedar]

That's fair

I'm playing and beating all Doom games in order

right now I'm on 64

[white vortex]

Make sure to play rpg

[remote cedar]

but I beat 1993, II, TNT and Plutonia

[remote cedar]

yeah I'll pass on that

[white vortex]

/j

[remote cedar]

and I'll also pass on Master Levels

[white vortex]

It's actually decent

[finite crag]

N O

I played the mod on gzdoom, it's interesting

But not my cup of tea

[remote cedar]

but it is a spinoff though + where am I supposed to get Doom II RPG

[white vortex]

Doom rpg is a pretty fun meme game imo

[white vortex]

If you're lucky to find it on an old phone or get an emulator to play

[remote cedar]

All I know about the Doom RPG game(s?) is that there's the origin story of the Cyberdemon in it? Or was that another game

like it has you fighting a fully organic Cyberdemon and you actually destroy its leg and arm

[jovial wing]

harbringer of doom

[white vortex]

I think it was Wolfenstein rpg

[finite crag]

The only rpg doom game I play is the RPG arsenal mods

[jovial wing]

yeah

[remote cedar]

Ah right

I forgot they made that game tbh

[jovial wing]

that's bj that injures the harbringer

[worthy scroll]

But yeah i've been told that Doom 2 fucking sucks, so i'm probably not gonna play it, especially since i'm not a fan of Doom 1 (except episode 1)

[white vortex]

Doom 2 is very long that's probably why

[finite crag]

Doom 2 is the main for making mods

It introduced the super shotgun

[remote cedar]

Doom II does drag on for some levels that is true, but the Super Shotgun is fucking awesome

[white vortex]

I'd recommend but if you don't like doom 1 much then don't waste money on doom 2

[jovial wing]

nah doom 2 has a lot of good levels

[finite crag]

Best weapon

[worthy scroll]

No they also told me that the level design is kinda bad

[finite crag]

Who told you this?

[worthy scroll]

Yeah it was either that or quake

[remote cedar]

I'll agree to some extent, there are some very bad levels (MAP09) and some very good ones (MAP10)

[white vortex]

They played around with the engine more so yeah

[worthy scroll]

A fellow Doom fan i talk to

[jovial wing]

most mods support doom 2 tho

[worthy scroll]

I don't really care about mods tbh

[jovial wing]

MAP12, MAP24

[finite crag]

Smooth doom

[remote cedar]

on good or bad

[jovial wing]

bad

why did you ask

[remote cedar]

I don't remember them much

[jovial wing]

oh

[white vortex]

They said they didn't like doom 1 much other than episode 1

I doubt they like mods

[jovial wing]

map24 is the chasm

[finite crag]

The only reason maybe two or three people don't like doom 2 is cus it's too much like doom 1

[worthy scroll]

The one Doom mod i like is such a huge mod that it's a completely different game lmao

It's called Sonic Robo Blast 2, a 3D platformer

[finite crag]

But what else is there to use, you are restricted with the one engine at the time

[jovial wing]

nah doom 2 was very different

[remote cedar]

But then how about trying out Doom 64 @worthy scroll I think the level design in this game is pretty good

[jovial wing]

I can't even describe it it's just a different style

[remote cedar]

The aesthetics are different (imo better) and you get access to the Unmaker that you can upgrade with secret demon keys

[worthy scroll]

The guy i mentioned earlier also told me that Doom 64's level design is so ridiculously mazelike that it's utter shite.

[remote cedar]

I think your guy might have bad taste

[finite crag]

Yeah

[jovial wing]

isn't there is a Doom 64 mod for Doom II?

[worthy scroll]

He loves Doom 1, 2016, and Eternal tho

[finite crag]

If you love doom 1, you will enjoy doom 2

[remote cedar]

Maybe but just play the original

[white vortex]

Not everyone likes these games it's fine

[worthy scroll]

And i hear the music in Doom 64 sucks because they based it on the PS1 port of Doom 1, which allegedly botched the soundtrack. I should do a little more research where that's concerned tho

[finite crag]

IT DOESN'T

[remote cedar]

Ok nah Doom 64 does have a really mid soundtrack, it's ambience for all levels

I wish it went for something like the calmer tracks of Doom and Doom II truth be told

[finite crag]

It did port some music, but just because it has no rock doesn't mean it's bad, it sets the ambiance of how being in hell and fighting demons would be

[jovial wing]

it's called ambience

[worthy scroll]

Ambience is tricky. Is it a bunch of complete nothing like Quake, or is it still ambient and yet melodic, like some of Metroid Prime?

[remote cedar]

closer to a bunch of complete nothing

[finite crag]

And PSX really helped with making you feel alone to take on demons from hell

Doom 64 and psx music scares me kinda

[worthy scroll]

ew.

[remote cedar]

The most melodic you'll get with Doom 64 is with the title screen, epilogue screen and intermission screen

But that doesn't mean the game sucks

The art direction in Doom 64 beats that of any other Classic Doom game by a mile

[finite crag]

Yes

[jovial wing]

and zombies and sergeant sprites are almost exactly the same, which is more realistic

the sergeants pants are a bit darker

[remote cedar]

yeah but that's whatever I'd say, they're both fodder enemies anyway

I'm thinking more about the textures used and the colored lighting

it genuinely looks really cool especially in the first few levels where they use it a lot in tech base settings

[jovial wing]

btw ik this is off topic but who else genuinely likes the wolfenstein mission pack SS sprite

[remote cedar]

Not sure what that is

[jovial wing]

instead of a blue uniform it's black with an eagle on the cap

[finite crag]

So favorite classic doom music

I sawed the demons and suspense, Doom zero made me love suspense

[worthy scroll]

Some people genuinely think Doom 1 is graphically intensive and it targets high end PCs

Like bruh no it can run well on a potato lmao

[remote cedar]

There's no way people can be that dumb wtf

[jovial wing]

nah they're just using gzdoom

[remote cedar]

Kitchen Ace (And Taking Names) is my all-time favorite track in the series, but I'll also give credit to Running From Evil and The Demon's Dead

[worthy scroll]

Like they think that when the game came out, it was this whole thing that people needed to upgrade their computers for (???)

[remote cedar]

Ok well that was at the time the game came out

[jovial wing]

into sandy's city

text screen music

the demons from adrian's pen

[worthy scroll]

They also think Half-Life 1 and 2 target high end PCs

[remote cedar]

PCs could very well double or triple in RAM easily back then because they all had a whopping 32 KB of RAM lmao

[remote cedar]

I'll be real I'm not a fan of this one

it's fine but it's not quite Doom

[jovial wing]

maybe cuz harpsichord?

[worthy scroll]

Doom 1 is not quite Doom

[remote cedar]

This one is also very good no matter which Text Screen theme you think of

[remote cedar]

This one is also pretty good, I got nothing else to say about it tho

[remote cedar]

Not sure what you mean by that

[remote cedar]

What do you mean Doom 1 is not quite Doom

[jovial wing]

into sandy's city was played on a harpsichord

[remote cedar]

Doom 1 is the first Doom game, Doom 1993

[worthy scroll]

Doom 1 is missing a lot of what makes Doom Doom imo /hj

[jovial wing]

bobby prince jokingly said he'd play it on the harpsichord cuz the id guys didn't like the idea of a track on piano

[remote cedar]

I'm not sure what a Harpsichord is. Is it like another MIDI device like the Roland?

[jovial wing]

harpsichord, keyboard musical instrument in which strings are set in vibration by plucking. It was one of the most important keyboard instruments in European music from the 16th through the first half of the 18th century.

yeah I was too lazy to definite it myself

[remote cedar]

damn that's some old ass technology lmao

[worthy scroll]

Old ass technology is still used. Apparently some bands still release their new albums on vinyl records

[remote cedar]

That's not that old cmon

Vinyl records are like about a century old

[worthy scroll]

Older than me ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[worthy scroll]

Yeah. It's OLD old lmao

[remote cedar]

Oh but it does get older tho, the fucking harpsichord is from the 16th century

[jovial wing]

rly I thought you were 101

[worthy scroll]

No i'm 18

[jovial wing]

/s

[zenith berry]

DOOM is mostly associated with metal soundtrack-wise, however not all classic DOOM music is rock.

The Healer Stalks for example is elevator music-worthy.

[worthy scroll]

Tbh one of the most memorable Doom songs for me is the one that plays in the hell levels of Doom 2016, with the soft chorus thing to create a vibe for those stages

[jovial wing]

into sandy's city

the demons from adrian's pen

text screen music

in the dark

DOOM

they're going to get you

sign of evil

countdown to death

waiting for romero to play

adrian's asleep

sinister

[worthy scroll]

Romero is the kid who designed most of Knee Deep in the Dead's stages right?

[jovial wing]

kid?

bro is 3 times older than you

[worthy scroll]

Look at the question not just the one word

[jovial wing]

yeah

well tom hall started e1m4

and sandy petersen made e1m8 I think

[zenith berry]

intermission from DOOM II

[finite crag]

Romero is 56

[jovial wing]

he is

[worthy scroll]

omg

[finite crag]

Wut you mean omg?

He was 26 when he helped with doom

[worthy scroll]

The fact that yall latched onto the word kid and focused a lot less on the actual question at hand

But i suppose you did answer it so thx lol

[jovial wing]

yw

[finite crag]

It just annoyed me, sorry

[jovial wing]

same

have any of you played chex quest?

[worthy scroll]

That sounds like a snack

[finite crag]

The mod is based off it, how did you know

[jovial wing]

chex mix is a snack maybe thats why

so basically back in 1996 chex cereal needed more sales so they hired a programming team called digital cafe who bought the doom engine for cheap since it was 1996 and they created chex quest 1 and put it in chex cereal boxes for free which doubled chex sales

chex quest was so popular they created chex quest 2 which you could download on their website but chex quest 2 sucked and was bland from what I heard

then for the 13th anniversary one of the original members of digital cafe released chex quest 3 which merged chex quest 1 and 2, made the chex quest 2 city levels not suck, and added a new episode called invasion

[jovial wing]

mods isn't just brutal doom, mods is golden souls 3, myhouse.wad, superdoom, minesweeper doom, etc

[finite crag]

Don't forget smooth doom...smooth doom changes so much with so little

[vast reef]

play plutonia

[worthy scroll]

Ha! No.

[vast reef]

missing out /gen

[worthy scroll]

It’s known for being bullshit with its difficulty

[vast reef]

nah thas silly

[vast reef]

plutonia isn't bullshit lol

among the fans it's widely considered the best out of the classics because it's when maps began using the enemies more creatively

it's just mean, not bullshit

[worthy scroll]

Exactly just what do you mean by that

[novel estuary]

mean would be you have to actually put in effort and get good while bullshit is just being bullshit for the sake of being bullshit

[vast reef]

super meat boy = mean
i wanna be the guy = bullshit

[worthy scroll]

I haven’t played either of those two games

[vast reef]

oh well

[vast reef]

plutonia is completely fair

[worthy scroll]

Somehow i don’t believe you

[vast reef]

bfrrn

[novel estuary]

play them yourself

[vast reef]

there's some bullshit feeling parts but plutonia is beatable af

[worthy scroll]

Maybe on the easiest difficulty

[vast reef]

go play some community wads if you found doom 1 mid

[vast reef]

have you played it?

[worthy scroll]

No

[vast reef]

there is MUCH harder than plutonia when it comes to doom

plutonia is the tip of the iceberg when it comes to this

[novel estuary]

the doom iceberg 😓

[vast reef]

shit like okuplok, profane promiseland, and cosmogenesis at the bottom

[finite crag]

And also back to Saturn X....it's a good wad

[hardy sluice]

Hello. I have Doom 1 and 2 on Steam. Can I install mods directly on the Unity port or do I have to install another source port for mods ?

Like GZDoom

[vast reef]

you can, but it's janky, and unity doesn't support much (only limit-removing wads, which takes out all gameplay mods and a significant portion of mapsets)

[vast reef]

yeah just use gzdoom

[azure nimbus]

Or DSDA. It tends to run smoother and is more faithful with regards to doom physics. Of course, some stuff is GZ only in which case go ahead

[finite crag]

Does anyone remember zandronum

[hardy sluice]

What is a limit removing wad ?

[vast reef]

the original doom had limits for stuff like map size and how many walls you could have

wads that break those limits need a limit-removing source port

we call these wads limit-removing wads because they need a limit-removing port to run

[hardy sluice]

And gameplay mods are mods which change gameplay mechanics, like brutal doom ?

[vast reef]

yes, these use dehacked, decorate, or zscript (brutal doom uses decorate)

those are all modding languages/tools

for example:
gzdoom supports all of them
zandronum supports dehacked and decorate
crispy doom only supports dehacked

dehacked is the simplest one and should run on most ports out there, because it was designed for modding the og 1993 engine, unlike decorate and zscript which were designed for the newer engines

[azure nimbus]

Even limit removing is really a misnomer. It's really limit-extending. A computer can never actually be unlimited. With that said, the actual limits of lots of ports nowadays are well-beyond what even an excessive wad would bring

[vast reef]

what he said

[hardy sluice]

So to play Brutal Doom we need a port which supports Decorate, right ? And so on for the other languages ?

[vast reef]

yes, use gzdoom for brutal doom

[hardy sluice]

Thanks

[vast reef]

gzdoom runs the vast majority of mod and mapsets so you should be good with any other mods you want to try out

check out icaruslives on yt and the cacowards for mod recs :]

[sudden basin]

Can o get some tips I just started doom eternal

I’ve played all of the other dooms

[tidal folio]

I was playing Doom Infinite earlier and wondering how the doors work in it
I know a big limitation in the original doom was that doors and lifts could only move vertically, since the mod only works in gzdoom, I'm assuming it's something that breaks the engine limitations? idk I was just thinking about this earlier

[tidal folio]

I just started playing eternal from only playing the shareware original Doom games, there aren't really any tips except use the chainsaw a lot to regain ammo

also the automatic shotgun is fun with the infinite ammo cheat, but otherwise it's a waste of ammo, get the nade launcher first

[void hemlock]

It's called "Boomer shooter" for a reason

[void hemlock]

You should see how they named episode 4's map names then

[void hemlock]

agreed

[void hemlock]

Lore wise there is a reason for it, but if you haven't played Doom Eternal that I will not explain it

[void hemlock]

this is why I played classic Doom first

[vast reef]

or you can play community wads that can match the newer games in chaos and pace

[void hemlock]

Imo Thy Flesh Consumed was good, mainly because it was the most toughened (but kinda rushed le'ts be real here) up episode unlike the first 3

[vast reef]

maybe not actions per second (classic doom isn't touching eternal in that regard without mods, solely because of quickswap)

[void hemlock]

They're not that bad, Archviles and Chaingunners are the ones to worry about

[vast reef]

yes, use zandronum or odamex

[finite crag]

Yay zandronum gets recognized

[vast reef]

srry kinda busy today

i can try finding the tutorial i used

[void hemlock]

Good choice, most of them suck anyway, especially the last one with the elevator good lord

[vast reef]

when does zandronum not get recognized lmao

[finite crag]

I have it but never really played it, and I don't hear it said anymore

[vast reef]

zandronum modding even has its own separate scene from the gz modders afaik, the scene is just way more quiet

[void hemlock]

Map levels have a weird swing in terms of order, but imo thats what makes it interesting and fun to me, because you wouldn't know what to expect

[void hemlock]

If it's possible Doom 1 is actually longer. If counting main levels it has 32, with secret levels it has 36

[void hemlock]

For what I know there is Brutal Doom 64, which is a great recreation of Doom 64 while bringing Brutal Doom's scheme

[void hemlock]

Highly incorrect, please listen, give it chance: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL8Ze5WK7zCVWudTwLZj_u06RqFcCSrSHC

[void hemlock]

Quake was composed by Trent Reznor from Nine Inch Nails. You might need to reconsider your statement and do your research

[void hemlock]

For 1993

Nowadays that goes towards Eternal

[void hemlock]

It makes them money, are you really criticizing how people can make money ethically?

[vast reef]

vinyl is normal atp

just snobby collector shiz

[void hemlock]

Yeah vinyl is really just collector stuff nowadays for those people who are interested in specific artists

[hard wolf]

Do you guys not just play your own music while you're gaming?

[void hemlock]

I do

[finite crag]

I do

Mainly synth

Makes ya feel like John wick

[hard wolf]

I listen to Psychedelic Trance. Sometimes Trip-Hop too.

Might try Ripping & Tearing to some Bluegrass later.

[finite crag]

Nice

[hard wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/river-nature-water-twinkling-sparkling-gif-11871028

[vast reef]

death metal and grindcore r my go-tos for dooming

crustpunk too

[subtle aurora]

Mine is Djent and power metal

Namely Andromida and Sabaton

[worthy scroll]

Idc who it was composed by.

[worthy scroll]

Like, saying the name of the kid who made “music” doesn’t change my opinion on it

[azure nimbus]

I mean...kinda. But doom2 levels are generally longer

[azure nimbus]

Backing tracks or ambiant music is pretty unambiguously music

[worthy scroll]

Problem is the music in quake is so ambient that i can barely even tell it exists while i’m playing

Again, if you want a good example of ambient music done right, look at the Tallon IV overworld theme from Metroid Prime

[azure nimbus]

That's a mixing issue. See if you can raise the volume. But saying you don't like the music -- I don't really like Quake's ambiance all that much either, doesn't make it not music.

[worthy scroll]

I’ll check next time i play it

[pale finch]

you mean d64ifier, doom 64 for doom 2 or something else?

[pale finch]

aubrey hodges' style is masterclass

it feels almost soothing in a very very eerie way

just enough to make you feel something is wrong

his sound design choices are also very interesting

[worthy scroll]

The sound effects are good yeah

But sure i suppose i’ll take a look and check if there’s a volume mixing settings next time i play Quake

[pale finch]

hodges also has a soundtrack for quake, as he was the composer of quake 64

[worthy scroll]

Also yeah damn right Quake’s soundtrack makes me feel something is wrong. It makes me feel like not enough time went into actually making a soundtrack /lh

[dark river]

Has anyone realized that E1M1 looks like a gun

[worthy scroll]

I have not

[dark river]

Like the map is in the shape of a gun

[pale finch]

never listened to it though, so choose your own

[pale finch]

it looks like some odd raygun

although i think it's not intentional

i wish there was a way to use psx doom ce but improved maps

is there a colored lighting mod for doom?

that's kinda what i want

[dark river]

If you have Ultimate Doom Builder, you can select new map, choose the maps format as UDMF format, make a little room or map, right click on the map’s floor, wall, or ceiling, and in one of the tabs there is something called PSX Doom coloring (or something like that)

[pale finch]

is there a way to copy them over?

actually i'd just edit the psx doom maps

they have superior atmosphere

[dark river]

There is a doom mod called PSX Doom CE which is just PSX Doom but on PC

[pale finch]

i know

[dark river]

I’m pretty sure you can put the mod into UDB and copy and paste the maps into a new map

[pale finch]

no i meant

psx doom has downgraded maps

i want to restore it

[dark river]

Oh

Not sure about that

[jovial wing]

yeah all of those

point is i'm not spending another couple of bucks for doom 64

[pale finch]

you definitely should

[vast reef]

idt any of the money's gonna go to the people who made the game anyway

[vast reef]

doom 64 CE

thas how i played it too bc it was more convenient than an emulator

[void hemlock]

Hodges also composed for Doom 1, 2, and Final Doom PSX, Quake II 64 as well just to say

[zenith berry]

Nightdive are goats

[subtle aurora]

Yeye

[zenith berry]

I do hope Aubrey and the og Midway team gets some royalties.

[subtle aurora]

Yeah

[safe swan]

Bruh

[vast reef]

tf did u send lmao

[safe swan]

No

Because it won’t let me send a link

[vast reef]

just remove the https so it doesn't get flagged

[finite crag]

I need balanced randomizer monster pack

Any recommendations?

[vast reef]

PROJECT MALICE

fave monster pack

[finite crag]

Tell me about it

[vast reef]

it's fairly consistently balanced, it's just really hard if you're playing with vanilla weapons

[finite crag]

I play with false angel

[vast reef]

it's chaotic but doesn't feel unfair

[finite crag]

And will play eviternity 2 with it

[finite crag]

Ill check

Just tried to play with pb and bd monsters it is a nightmare

Also tried another ransomizer there is unkillable baron

But the rest of monsters is fine

[vast reef]

...i think we have different standards for balance

[finite crag]

They are ok for brutal doom playstyle

When you doorfight, have powerful weapons

But false angel is very dynamic

Btw I dont like brutal doom

[vast reef]

dmc-style combos n shiz, right?

[finite crag]

Yeah

[vast reef]

welcome to the club >:)

[finite crag]

Im hard dmc fan

And just didnt get enough quality from doom eternal mods

[vast reef]

dmc is based af, i should play dmc3

[vast reef]

have you tried ultrakill

[finite crag]

I dont have a pc 😦

[vast reef]

oh

you play on mobile or smth?

[finite crag]

Yeah I play false angel on delta touch in 5 fingers

Im mad

[vast reef]

ah, sick

[finite crag]

Also completed dmc 1-3 on nethersx2

Best emulator

Dmc 3 may be a bit overrated

I enjoyed reboot and dmc 4 more

When I had a pc

[vast reef]

you might like demonsteele

[finite crag]

Yeah dmc 4 on keyboard

[finite crag]

Legendary dark knight on vergil

[finite crag]

Also like victoria's strong german accent

And sound of steps in heels

No im not a siмр

[pulsar valve]

[finite crag]

Just conpleted eviternity 1

Must play stuff

If you cant play without mods play with false angel

[finite crag]

Is there a mod for ass kicking transitions between levels?

[night hearth]

Might be wrong place to ask but I've been trying to figure out how to play the old apha versions on dosbox(that's the only way that I know of sadly) but I can't even get into a level lol. Any help I can get for it?

Also ping me if someone replies.

[jovial wing]

I know it's been a while since this topic but I just remembered that crouching and jumping also add another mechanic to combat

ex. instead of strafing away from an imp fireball you can just crouch and avoid it

you could do it just for the heck of it or it could be useful in a tight hallway if you get the rhythm

[vast reef]

fyi vertical mouse movement isn't looking up and down

[jovial wing]

I know

it's moving forward and backward

with the mouse

[vast reef]

wait

fyi vertical mouse movement isn't looking up and down

[tidal folio]

I believe heretic has freelook

never played it though

[ruby crater]

[vale gyro]

Stupid that I’m asking it here but I’d rather ask it here before anywhere else

With DSDA Doom, if I were to make a save with Sigil 2 with any save name and then load up Doom 1, the name is not there anymore and is replaced with E1M1 (save data as well, I may add) until I load back up Sigil 2. Haven’t tried to see if this affects all PWADs and IWADs but I have little doubt it does. What’s worse for me is that I have not found a single other person who’s had this issue online with the hour of google searching I’ve done trying to fix the issue myself

Just that I’ve never noticed this in another source port and I wanna know if that’s just how DSDA is or I somehow broke the hell out of it

[finite crag]

Any wad recomendations?

Ive completed uac ultra, ascent of titan, final carnage, eday, eviternity 1, eviternity 2 is lagging, played afterdoom

Elementalism is lagging also

[pale finch]

unfamiliar redux

[finite crag]

It weights as extermination day

Is it cool?

Strange question, i know

[warped wind]

Just thought about this a minute ago

Has anybody ever made an aim trainer on the doom engine

[pale finch]

cooler than literally anything i played

though playing with Project Brutality makes everything better

[finite crag]

Trying to find a mod with which is it compatible

[pale finch]

the maps and the gameplay will fit like a glove

[pale finch]

literally any mod

[finite crag]

Eoa and false angel

My favorite mods dont work with it

I guess I need to play with brutal doom

._.

Anyway

Wanted to try brutal pack

So why not

[eager solstice]

just tried sigil 2 again and got the secert exit on level 3

after that it was 'oh the rest of the game is easy :/ '

[finite crag]

i found out how to run GZDoom, first mod i started playing is myhouse

[pale finch]

they must?

u sure you put the mods below the uf-ultimate wad?

[finite crag]

I put uf then these mods

I run it with doom 2 on gzdoom v 4.11.3

Yes they should cuz the false angel changes only character

And it's weapons

And gives some abilities

It doesnt even change monsters

[pale finch]

that's very odd

are you sure you aren't using unfamiliar trilogy?

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/103746-gzdoom-unfamiliar/

use this

[vast reef]

check out complex doom if you like pb's chaos

[pale finch]

it's not the chaos but generally the feel of it

[vast reef]

god complex is the peak of the complex family of doom mods

[vast reef]

ah if it's the feel cd is completely different

[pale finch]

unfamiliar feels... more like half-life and project brutality is more compliant to the atmosphere

[vast reef]

complex and brutal are like, the extreme ends of the doom mod political spectrum lmao

[pale finch]

not to mention some places just fit no question

[vast reef]

yea

[urban trench]

Finally SIGIL II completed. The last two levels were pretty nice. This wad was super difficult as a whole.

[eager solstice]

did you get the secert exit in world 3?

[wide sinew]

It depends on what you're using to play Doom. In the vanilla DOS original, yes, I believe vertical mouse movement does indeed equate to moving forward and back, but in something like GZDoom, it makes you look up and down.

[urban trench]

Oh, forgot about the secret level!

[hard wolf]

Sure, but I was expecting a boss at the end though.

[vale gyro]

currently on E6M7, so I'm close to getting it done

M6 was kicking my ass, though

[vast reef]

no, in gzdoom that's called mouselook

[void hemlock]

which can be turned off

But should you? Probably not

As most mods would need it

[vast reef]

most mods don't NEED mouselook, they just play better with it

i beat half of doom 2 with brutal doom with no mouselook

[fleet kettle]

Is there any good doom or doom 2 mobile ports? And BTW the doom 2 from the playstore isn't available for my device

Mostly asking this cause I'm traveling and won't have access to a computer

[vast reef]

delta touch is the best and is dirt cheap

[fleet kettle]

Ah I see, thanks for the info

[supple walrus]

started playing 3ddoom and noticed the half life assets. very cool to see

[urban trench]

E6M6 is the worst!

[finite crag]

I want to have the ultimate mod folder

Which are mods that every true doomer need to install?

Already have 5 or 6 brutals, the false angel, tons of eoa addons, some maps such as eday, final carnage, uac ultra, ascent of titan, eviternity 1 2, myhouse.wad

I want a gameplay mod

Something new what I never played

[timber juniper]

Any one know how to beat level 9 in inferno i keep messing up the "secret jump"

[vast reef]

most of the stuff in project side

metadoom and final doomer,

the complex mods too imo

corruption cards, gzchaos, and at least a few other randomizer mods

oh yeah drla too

terminusest13's and pillowblaster's mods r also pretty iconic, esp. the latter

reelism and hideous destructor

treasure tech and at least one of the d2016 demake mods

that's about it for things that aren't partial or total conversions

[calm cradle]

Reminder that this is not a +18 server.

[hard wolf]

But didn't someone get booted for being below 18? Or am I thinking of another server.

[calm cradle]

Different server

[hard wolf]

Ah

[calm cradle]

Or misremembering.

This server is open to anyone 13 and over, as per Discord's TOS

[hard wolf]

Aha

[inland gazelle]

How do you jump over the stairs in doom the flesh consumed

Level 2

[void hemlock]

Strafe running

Have autorun on

[inland gazelle]

Thanks

[night wolf]

oremoR nhoJ em llik tsum uoy emag eht niw oT

[novel coral]

If I just want to play Doom classic deathmatch crap with my little brothers this weekend, what source port should I be giving them?
I want as little crap as possible. Minimal setup. Everything should just work. On PC.
Obviously I have the necessary WADs.

After searching around, I have found that the answer is apparently Zandorum

Zandorum likes to make its menu in tiny unreadable squint-o-vision to prevent anyone from actually setting it up.

[vast reef]

you can adjust menu size

i haven't used zand in a while though, i forgot the option name

[forest laurel]

hey does anyone have a good gif of that one wall of faces

[coral snow]

anyone german

[finite crag]

How to run grezzodue2 on deltatouch?

[undone river]

hello;

i need help

i play doom through steam and when you click play it asks you which version you want to play (DOS version, DOS with original controls, or normal version) i normally play DOS version and eventually clicked the little box that says that it will always use that version when i launch the game. it no longer gives me the option and i want to know how to switch versions

i also want to know what the difference is between normal version and DOS version and why whenever i use the desktop link it sends me into normal version not DOS (which is where i have all of my progress)

anyone?

[void hemlock]

normal version is the DOS version first of all

And second the "normal" version you described is the 2019 Bethesda Unity re-released which has widescreen support and better controls

If you really want to play the best version of the game, get the PrBoom+ source port

Watch this video to learn about source ports
https://youtu.be/HzauoLqk_9U

I personally recommend not playing the DOS version in DOSBox at all

as it's highly outdated and not the best way to play the game in current day

[undone river]

for me when i use DOS it goes to full screen

automatically

and can you help me with my first problem

the one that has to do with the desktop shortcut only leading to the bethesda remake version

[royal heron]

what secret jump?

[vale gyro]

@undone river from what I can tell is that you need help changing game versions. You can right click the game in your Steam Library, go to properties, and you should be able to change it from there

Though, Infamous is right when he’s saying that you should look into using a different source port

[undone river]

ok thanks one more thing, on level 2 you get the chainsaw but since this is my first playthrough i missed it. is there a way to play previouse levels on DOS

[vale gyro]

You could use IDCLEV12

You’ll lose all of your stuff, though

But to be fair you only have the pistol and maybe the shotgun up to that point so it’s not a major loss

[vale gyro]

Basically, just type this in as an uninterrupted string while in play

[undone river]

wait ill lose my other weopons too and ill have to replay all of world 1?

[vale gyro]

Everything you’ve picked up

You’ll be reset to just the pistol, base ammo amount, base ammo storage amount, health, armor, etc.

You’ll be on Map 2 of Episode 1 with that cheat code, though

And just so you know every port behaves the same with that code

[undone river]

wait so lemme get this strait. right now i just finished episode 1, i dont have the chainsaw. ion order to get the chainsaw i have to use a cheatcode that resetts all of my weapons exept for the pistol and the shotgun, i will then be able to get the chainsaw and have to make my way through all of chapter 1 again

[vale gyro]

Oh you finished the episode?

[undone river]

YEA

[vale gyro]

Well

[undone river]

woops caps lock

[vale gyro]

You don’t have anything when you enter Episode 2 anyways

As stuff doesn’t save between episodes

[undone river]

o ok so i can just save to my old save file for chapter 1 or should i make a new one for chap[ter 2

[vale gyro]

Eh, whatever you want

I personally did a per episode save if I wanted to go to the boss again without console commands

[undone river]

oh ok thats smart

thanks

[timber juniper]

To beat the level you have to jump a spasific way

[royal heron]

you're talking about the secret level of Inferno, right?

E3M9

because I don't remember anything about "jumping"...

unless you mean a custom wad with the name Inferno

[void hemlock]

I think they're talking about the bridge path near the start where it has the shotgun and it leads to an intangible wall that leads to 3 imps (depending on what difficulty you're on)

[dusk swallow]

I set up DoomRPG+RLA with custom mods all by myself! What a pain in the ass that was, but worth it. I'll take my medal now.

[eager solstice]

sigil 2 is finally done phew

[urban trench]

It was a challenge! How was E6M6?

[cosmic pagoda]

probably talking about the way to get to the secret level

rocketjump or sr50

[polar berry]

Iv'e been trying to run the wad "not even remotely fair" into prboom+ but whenever I try to run the file it runs doom 2 instead, any way to fix this?

[ornate vortex]

I've just completed Eviternity II

[prime moon]

honestly gzdoom is the perfect port for me
the recent opengles renderer fixed the shitty performance it had

it's slightly unfaithful but not by a huge margin so it doesn't make much of a difference to me

[eager solstice]

On the first try it was a huge pain, but I replayed the game and got the secert exit in e1m3 and e1m9 gave me enough ammo to make it easy

[finite crag]

Hey, any good megawad which has a good metal themed ost (like in doom eternal for example) ?

[compact loom]

Listen to torn from the heavens MHW behemoth OST

[vernal locust]

listen to obituary discography

[vernal locust]

am i in the right thread to be asking about getting a deathmatch going on doom explorer? apologies if not

[vast reef]

autopsy >>>

[vernal locust]

autopsy was good with that first vocalist

[mild perch]

Gzdoom uses openGL?

How much cash...

HOW MUCH CAAAAASH!

[vast reef]

most ports these days do

[azure sluice]

Would you lot find it worth it to even do thy flesh consumed while going through the doom games?

[half crystal]

Ehh…..

Probably??

[azure sluice]

Fairs

[half crystal]

raise your hand if you hate pain elementals.

[azure sluice]

Fuck pain elementals

[half crystal]

they fire like 2000 lost souls a second on nightmare

[azure sluice]

Not only are they bullet sponges unless you use the ssg but they erase your health at a pace so fast it would give snipers in cod a run for their money

Well not rlly but you get what I’m saying

[half crystal]

when you are fighting the icon of sin pain elementals are your worst enemy besides some others.

[azure sluice]

Doom 2 revenant look chill af ngl

[void hemlock]

they're not that bad

revenants are worse, archviles even worse, but chaingunners EUGH

sure there are some maps that made me hate them, but other than that they're not too bad

[half crystal]

chaingunners can go infight for all I care

[void hemlock]

However, Doom 64 Pain Elementals? Then I can perfectly see why

literally the craft of satan

[half crystal]

doom 64 is kinda underrated.

[void hemlock]

it really is

I mean it's the true Doom 3 and not #doom-3

[half crystal]

i love the last boss.
CREATIVITY

[void hemlock]

It's the best official classic Doom boss ever

Doom 64 imo is my 2nd favorite classic Doom game

[half crystal]

arch-viles are kinda like really annoying

[void hemlock]

all maps are unique, and progression is the best

But then again, Doom 64's levels are kinda too easy compared to even Doom 1 imo

[half crystal]

Doom 1 is pretty easy.

[void hemlock]

which is why I like Doom 2 better, it has more challenge and more enemy variety (which to give Midway on Doom 64 some slack, they couldn't add the rest of the Doom 2 monsters due to cart limitations for the N64, so it's fine)

[half crystal]

Only problem with doom 64?
No revenant : (

[void hemlock]

You've played the game, right?

[half crystal]

i know there are revenant missles.

[void hemlock]

I was about to say

because I didn't want to spoil too much for the game

[half crystal]

You know abt doom 2016’s snap map?

It needs a return. Change my mind.

[void hemlock]

one of my friends argued against it

I forget why though

[half crystal]

i made my own super cacodemon Boss fight.

200% more health. 200% more damage.

And lost souls everywhere.

Speaking of lost souls.. Why are they LITERAL HOMING MISSILES AFTER DOOM 3

[void hemlock]

I mean then again they're not that bad either, you just need to learn to deal with stuff much quicker after Doom 3

[half crystal]

But when I’m focusing on the baron. How am I supposed to kill them whilst running from the baron?

[void hemlock]

You kill them first so they don't distract you, then kill the baron

Lost Souls don't have that much health anyway

[half crystal]

You got the BFG9000! Oh yes…

[prime moon]

yeah because it's better than episode 2 and 3

[stark acorn]

i want one as a friend

imagine just walking around with a 8 foot tall giant skeleton with a jetpack and two shoulder mounted rocket launchers

the jetpack is a later addition but man is it a good one

[vast reef]

turn rocket launchers toward the ground
profit

[night echo]

revenants know not to hold w after a rocket jump

[azure sluice]

He would defo be the plug

[stark acorn]

some random would come up to me with ill intent and i would just be like "yo bob, lock on this bozo"

[azure sluice]

Lmao

[royal heron]

not that bad?

that's just wrong

[night echo]

did shotgunners get harder in doom 2 or what

i remember them not even being noticeably different to zombiemen in doom 1 but if you get too close in doom 2 they take like 25% of your health

[royal heron]

they're just like that

no change

[zenith berry]

try being in front of a shotgunner in DOOM 1

think you were just being lucky with the RNG

[vale gyro]

just got my box of Sigil 2. Definitely gonna be watching the video on the USB.

Still need to finish Sigil 2, though. Been taking a break from it after E6M6 tired me out

[vale gyro]

There is no change but I do also feel like I tend to get hit more in Doom 2 by them (at the same time I suck, and my luck is horrible in Doom 2)

[azure nimbus]

Shotgunners shoot 3 hitscan rays that each deal 3,6,9,12, or 15 damage (your shotgun has 7 hitscan rays of 5,10,15 damage(or 20 rays for the ssg)). They have the normal speed of monsters(same as hell knights and barons, and imps). Since they have no melee state, they are more aggressive than an otherwise equivalent monster (this is why shotgunners shoot more often than a hellknight). There's no change

[candid atlas]

chat im trying to remember the name of a doom mod with really fucking ugly 3d models

does anyone know

[night echo]

i’ve heard of that

#general message this?

[azure nimbus]

voxel?

[candid atlas]

no voxel looks good

[candid atlas]

and those arent to my taste but werent the ones i was thinking o

[royal heron]

Not a mod, but perhaps doomsday engine?

[candid atlas]

YES THANK YOU IT IS

[royal heron]

A lot of people don't like its 3d model options

No problem :3

[finite crag]

Guys, just started playing gzdoom right after the unity port, was it a good choice?

[vale gyro]

GZDoom is a good choice for a casual player imo

I personally don’t care for it but it’s overall a good port

[finite crag]

Cool then

[vast reef]

only reason you wouldn't use gzdoom is:
a. performance
b. you're a turbo nerd

[azure nimbus]

DSDA runs better and has more accurate physics to Doom, Boom, or MBF/MBF21 which your mapset is more likely made for. It's also much easier for DSDA to look like it should. Set it to OpenGL for performance and it still looks right. But GZ will take a bit of messing around in settings to look normal

[vast reef]

ah yeah for the software-rendered look too

gz needs more tweaking and even some mods

[stark acorn]

i swear i cant get gz to keep my settings

i just want freelook and jumping to be off man wtf

[vast reef]

delete the old ini file before reconfiguring i think

[stark acorn]

wow

[vast reef]

no like legit ive heard that fixes all sorts of problems

[dire swift]

hey, anyone else encounter a weird bug in the No Rest for the Living expansion where the secret exit just takes you back to level 1? (using crispydoom btw)

[cosmic pagoda]

doesnt it require zdoom functions for the secret exit to properly work in a doom2 pwad when hthe secret level isnt map15?

NERVE.WAD is a standard PWAD, like any other custom content for Doom. As such, it can be loaded into any engine with the -file command line parameter. Note, however, that No Rest for the Living's unique behavior will no be retained when doing this. It will use Doom 2's level names and music, the secret exit in level 4 will not work, the standard Doom 2 intermission text will be displayed after level 6, and level 8 will lead to 9 (and 9 to 10) rather than ending the game

apparently so

I suggest run it on dsda or similiar

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/No_Rest_for_the_Living#Source_port_support

[hoary forge]

Hi, I just entered this server.
Can somoene recommend me a Doom (I or, II: Hell On Earth) mod that it's compatible with Chocolate Doom?

(Except Back to Saturn X and DOOMCITY.WAD, i've already played these)

[stark acorn]

the sigils

both of them

[mellow matrix]

basically anything by Doomkid. Rowdy Rudy series, Ray Mohawk series, Bourgeois Megawad, etc.
Absolute Dishonor if you want something short (8 maps)
TNT: Revilution is a must if you've got the TNT iwad.

[hoary forge]

thanks for suggesting!

[stark acorn]

ive played a tiny bit of revilution and yeah its hard but fun

especially if youre a UV bloke like me

[split jewel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGtqyQTkktU

[void hemlock]

There it is

The video I requested in his comments

[dire swift]

thanks man, didn't know that was a thing xd

[cosmic pagoda]

[dire swift]

guess i gotta explore more source ports

got really fed up with gzdoom so i tried out crispydoom, loved it and thought itd be the only source port id need xd

[stark acorn]

honestly i have to try prboom+

[spice radish]

If you wanna play with friends then Zandronum or ZDaemon are ones you should checkout

Zandronum has better mod support so Ive heard

[hexed escarp]

no but crispy doom has specific support for NRFTL

it shouldnt have that issue

[hexed escarp]

for crispy doom, how are you loading NRFTL

[vale gyro]

Sigil requires a limit removing source port, not compatible with something like Chocolate Doom

and Sigil 2 does not behave with even Crispy Doom

[dire swift]

Just loading the WAD that I renamed from the unity version

[hexed escarp]

what you want to do is just put the file in the crispy doom folder, and call it NERVE.WAD, and then just launch doom 2 and crispy doom without loading the wad will automatically load it and it will show up in the episode menu

then all of the map exits and music and stuff should work correctly

[dire swift]

Oh I see

[hexed escarp]

its a special crispy doom feature

it specifically searches for NRFTL

[dire swift]

Thanks much dude! Gonna try that now

[hexed escarp]

np, if it doesnt work maybe get a newer version of crispy doom

[vale gyro]

slowly giving up on Sigil 2 actually, cannot get the cybers to infight the mastermind on M8 for the life of me.

wait, mightve gotten them to

aight, Sigil 2 finished

finally no more DSDA (I hate how it's save file names work mainly)

[drifting nebula]

Yeah, both Sigil 1 and 2 have that John Romero Humor

It's like: Let's put some health, but let's also put a baron of hell to keep you from having it, and a Cyberdemon that insta-kills you, and a locked room with 5 cacodemons waiting for you! Exciting gameplay!

[vale gyro]

I'm aware

I would've done it faster if I didn't get my health knocked to bits from a SINGLE lost soul

I cannot forgive myself for that

anyways

I got Doom 2 to finish and also a challenge for me

beat at least the first 3 episodes of Doom 1 on UV

which I haven't done before as I play on HMP

[hexed escarp]

what do you normally use?

[vale gyro]

Crispy Doom

used to use Woof as well on my laptop

[hexed escarp]

they actually just added support for s2

[vale gyro]

switched back to it on my PC just now

bruh

THAT WOULD'VE BEEN NICE A WHILE AGO DANGIT

whatever

[hexed escarp]

the dev basically said "this would be a pain in the ass so im just not gonna do it" but then someone else did it and submitted a pull request

[vale gyro]

yeah, I remember your issue on the repo

[hexed escarp]

im looking thru the pull request rn and they had to do this stupid garbage lmao

    {
        mobjinfo[MT_SPIDER].spawnhealth = (episode == 6) ? 9000 : 3000;
    }```

[vale gyro]

whatever, I'm back to using Woof now

sheesh

[hexed escarp]

if you dont understand code its basically checking to see if sigil 2 is loaded, and if episode 6 is being played so it can switch the mastermind's health lmao

[vale gyro]

oh yeah I could understand it if I knew how the iDTech1 engine worked

[hexed escarp]

because in normal sigil 2, the health change would apply globally

[vale gyro]

but I could see what it was doing

jsut not exactly how it was doing it

[vale gyro]

wait seriously?

[hexed escarp]

yeah

he literally just changed the spider mastermind's health in dehacked

[vale gyro]

never had that issue with the low amount of time I was playing it on Crispy

[hexed escarp]

so ofc it would affect other episodes

[vale gyro]

omg I'm an idiot

thought you meant on every enemy

[hexed escarp]

ah lmao

[vale gyro]

facepalm for me ig

I know so much yet so little

but DSDA's file name stuff was weird, hated it for it

also I did like Crispy's brightmaps

[vale gyro]

this kinda covers what I mean for it's file name stuff

[vast reef]

btw what's the point of the char pointer type cast part

checking for null?

[hexed escarp]

Not a clue

[vast reef]

oh

[vast reef]

im guessing it's this lol

[orchid parrot]

ima rage at the final boos

im going x gamers mode

[vast reef]

tjat one's easy if u have a bfg

[orchid parrot]

true

[vast reef]

it one-shots the boss lol

classic doom has really underwhelmimg bosses tbh

[orchid parrot]

no doom 2020

doom eternal

[vast reef]

why are you in #classic-doom then

[red token]

The only good Doom Classic boss is Cyberdemon

[cosmic pagoda]

never saw the appeal of having bosses with a lot of fanfare anyway

give me a difficult combat puzzle instead anyday

things like plutonia map09 final room beat any hypothetical boss character out of the water

dont need special overgrown enemies when you can just construct a much more gripping fight with the tried and true

[vast reef]

obviously

doom isn't going to excel at singular bosses the way something like ultrakill would

[cosmic pagoda]

agreed

[vale gyro]

Agreed as well for different reasons than you’d think.
Long story short I cannot stand fighting the mastermind due to the chaingun and the chaingun alone and would rather fight an entire room of enemies than a single mastermind

[cosmic pagoda]

doom works best when theres well thought up combos of the doom 2 roster

used in devious ways

[vale gyro]

no what, I’ll say this even

I’d rather fight 20 chaingunners than a single mastermind

[cosmic pagoda]

hmm, an isolated mastermind seems like a pushover to me

depends of course what weapons you have

[vale gyro]

I just cannot deal with that chaingun half the time

like if I got a BFG I could handle a mastermind quite easily

[cosmic pagoda]

if theres cover you can quite easily peekaboo it with rockets, ssg or plasma

[vale gyro]

yeah, but half the time with levels with a mastermind, there is no cover for a reason

[cosmic pagoda]

she takes a moment before she opens fire

hmm which wads do you mean, I have a hard time imagining one without any cover rn

wads+maps that is

ohhh remembered I should viddump my demo, finally after a lot pain and tears, got through e3m3 on my nm100s run

[vale gyro]

DOOM1’s E3M8 and iirc E4M8 (although E4 was quite easy when it came other it’s final map)
Sigil 2’s E6M8
Spawncell.wad’s 2nd map (when actually fighting the mastermind, no cover when actually doing damage to it)

[cosmic pagoda]

e3m8 has a lot of cover

that tower in the center and all the wall corners

[vale gyro]

it’s just the tower iirc

[cosmic pagoda]

havent yet tried sigil 2

no im pretty sure theres walll

[vale gyro]

Sigil 2 does also have a easy way to make the mastermind infight

[cosmic pagoda]

lemme check

[vale gyro]

so yeah

but I’m talking about a head on battle if the two cybers wern’t there

ok, having Sigil 2 as an example then isn’t the best

so just the other two I mentioned

spawncell has a ton of cover for everything but when you need to fight the masterminds

[cosmic pagoda]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isDqIPn-MbY
idk looks like a ton of cover to me

[vale gyro]

guess I never saw the walls as cover ig

[cosmic pagoda]

and you get a bfg in e4m8

[vale gyro]

yeah

I mentioned that M8 was quite easy for the actual boss fight

just was saying that there was a lack of cover on that map

[cosmic pagoda]

the one in plutonia map27 is sometimes tricky though

but you get a bfg there too

[vale gyro]

I’ll just say I’ve been proven wrong for the most part ig and then yell at myself for constantly finding the easiest bosses the hardest ones and the harder ones somehow easier

[cosmic pagoda]

yeah its same with me in some games

I somehow find the hardest way accidentally to do something

[vale gyro]

I do not count the Barons on E1M8 a boss fight

[cosmic pagoda]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCz5fUycyB4
screen recorded that a week or so ago to show my gf what I was busy with

I finally didi it though, gonna do a viddump on demo too

decided to put every demo where I complete it unlisted on my youtube as a personal trophy room for myself

[vale gyro]

Spawncell is a good 3 level mappack for Doom 2 btw

[vale gyro]

that’s actually kinda cool

I personally just keep the demos without viddumping them

well, I only got two demos saved

my first NM speed run on E3M8 (it wasn’t a good time but I’m still proud of it at the end of all the attempts)

[cosmic pagoda]

when doing nm I put em to run, then vidddump

[vale gyro]

and a stupid moment when the mastermind somehow stuck on a blockmap or stunlocked in one of the attempts

[cosmic pagoda]

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJCY_06206Pct1s-35CQ6X4vP1i1pE4Za&si=I55vpLNm4z-ZN6xQ

been doing it for less than a month this is as far s I am atm

• viddumping e3m3 soon

cba to dig for the correct demofiile right away

[vale gyro]

I honestly need to start doing single level playthroughs on NM to improve my skill once I’m comfortable with UV with my Doom 1 playthrough

[cosmic pagoda]

yeah its so fun

[vale gyro]

and I’m not saying UDOOM as I refuse to play E4 again

never again

[cosmic pagoda]

@azure nimbus managed like a year ago to convince me to try nm, did a couple runs then, after which I forgot about it but now decided to redo and with demos and all

its a different experience

but really has improved my movement and aim

even the short time

[vale gyro]

also I just realized how spread out my save files are

[cosmic pagoda]

basically you cant allow yourself to be bad at movement and aim or gotta hit the home key again 😄

so it forces you to git gud much faster

[vale gyro]

my saves for Sigil 1, Doom 2, and Spawncell are all on Crispy. Saves for my original UV No Savescum run of one of the Doom 1 episodes is on the original executable. My current UV run is currently on Woof

[vale gyro]

yeah, might try that actually with an episode I know (like Episode 1)

just to get a feel of the projectiles and enemy increases

[cosmic pagoda]

do maybe map 1 and 2

but its the hardest on nm

start with episode 3

map 1 and 2 are okay on nm

e1m3 is stupid difficult

e1 has a lot of hitscanners, who on nighmare have instant reaction time

means you are guaranteed to get hit once you wake em up

[vale gyro]

I’ll keep this in mind when I’m done with my UV play through of Doom 1

and yet I have to finish Doom 2

I literally just finished Map 16

guess it’s because I’ve been stalling due to the length of Doom 2 levels sometimes

[cosmic pagoda]

do plutonia after doom 2

the best iwad hands down

[hoary forge]

is the After Doom mod compatible with Chocolate Doom/DOS?

[vale gyro]

not familiar with it but best thing I can tell you is check the README if it has one

I’ll look into it myself, still

at least according to the ModDB page (if I got the right one), you need GZDoom or Zandronum

so in that case it wouldn’t be vannila-compat

[hoary forge]

ah ok

thx

[sturdy compass]

[red token]

Some wads to play? Not too hard not too easy, and not too long

[stark acorn]

Overboard was fun

[red token]

Already played it

[sudden hemlock]

Insanity Edged is amazing if you don't mind GZDoom

[finite crag]

What does the icon of sin say im doom 2

[void hemlock]

"To win the game, you must kill me, John Romero"

[vast reef]

maybe rush

but i think it might be easy if you're used to slaughter, it's meant to be a beginner slaughter map

[red token]

"I hope you are Eternal"

Doom:

[finite crag]

Alr

Thanks

[red token]

Man...I tried it...there were more revenants than imps or zombiemen

Your opinion on Master Levels?

[vale gyro]

not well known at all but Spawncell

only 3 levels but they all look nice and prove a decent challenge without being overly hard

[red token]

I tried Spawncell, it's very good, gameplay wise and aesthetic wise

[vale gyro]

I actually never finished Map03 as I kinda just fell from it

and I kinda softlocked myself health and ammo wise

[finite crag]

Do you guys save alot during each map? Dont know if thats cheating

It feels like it to me lol

[stark acorn]

i only rely on the auto save at the start of each level

its kinda cheating, save scumming

[void hemlock]

i quicksave at the start of each level

However levels like E4M6 in Doom 1 though, yeah I save scum

Honestly E4M6 imo is worse than E4M2 because here is the thing

most of the time you don't know what you're doing, but maybe that's just on me

second, the damaging floor and barely any ways to get back up besides the central teleporter station inside the fortress

and even if you do get on the teleporter, you might be taken to somewhere you didn't want to go, so you might have to jump back down and take a bit more damage

Why is this worse than E4M2 to me? In E4M2 I actually know what I'm doing and how to do each step clearly, it just needs time to do it perfectly and I barely get frustrated because of it

Because I know it will work unlike all of the bs in E4M6

but anyways sorry for text wall, Romero made the worse map when it came to episode 4 and that's to E4M6

[red token]

If the game let's me save why not?

[stark acorn]

i guess

but from a moral standpoint

[worthy scroll]

You're discussing morality with regards to playing a singleplayer game? 🤣

[stark acorn]

it's about pride

[worthy scroll]

???

[stark acorn]

mental obstacle to overcome

"i did it from start to end"

[worthy scroll]

Lots of old shooters were designed around save scumming. Doom, Quake, Half-Life, and probably some others too

[storm tapir]

In mapsets I save at map starts in vanilla I don't save

[red token]

Bruh...why? I just wanna have fun, I don't want to "overcome an obstacle". If the game lets me save anywhere I save anywhere

[stark acorn]

true

you don't have to think of it as such

that's just how i see it

reward

[red token]

I mostly save a lot on wads like Sunlust

[halcyon willow]

it definitely is not

literally says in Doom's manual to save and save often

[stark acorn]

woa alright

im wrong then

[halcyon willow]

people can play how they want

i hate repeating things so i make liberal use of saves

anyone who thinks saving is cheating/bad/whatever better have their single segment run of Sunder map 19 ready to share

[worthy scroll]

Exactly. When a game is shittily designed but has a band-aid solution you can use, the best thing to do is use the band-aid solution you're given.

[storm tapir]

Difficult doesn't mean terribly designed

[halcyon willow]

Doom Eternal has check points therefore it's shittily designed

[worthy scroll]

Aight bro no need to strawman

[halcyon willow]

feel free to elaborate on what you mean by shittily designed then

[storm tapir]

Unless it means a map full of death pits I just assume it is just too hard to do in one segment

[halcyon willow]

because your statement reads as if you're saying saving is a band aid solution on a shittlily designed game (Doom)

[stark acorn]

nah i kind of said bullshit myself. its okay to save mid level but it feels more rewarding to me if i clear a map from start to beginning

[worthy scroll]

Precisely. And Half-Life.

[halcyon willow]

sunder is famous for long, extremely difficuly maps

[stark acorn]

but also im not a hardcore doomer

[storm tapir]

@halcyon willow no I meant what they probably mean by terribly designed