classic-doom

[finite crag]

Not enough challenge

So there are two options, I play on uv and have 2 tortures every level

But I feel good emotions

Or I can play on harsh and get much less emotions

[sick mist]

I mean, if you want a challenge play on a harder difficulty.
Just give it some time, try to learn from your mistakes, get your muscle memory down

[finite crag]

I remember when after tnt on uv in pb I went on harsh dificulty and felt myself invincible

Or maybe the problem is in monster pack

I think yes this is the problem

Btw I play on delta touch and cant run pb with eday, so thats the reason why I need it

It feels really nice on open spaces, or with this teleporting pinkies in close areas

But when there is a baron with 3 bfg in his arm in a thin corridor I feel a bit of unfairness in this game

I understood what i need

Hp maximum increase

Because in this monster pack from such difficult enemies drop some megaspheres

So if my hp and armor max would be around 300 would be nice

Just to tank one shot

Anyway I enjoy my modpack more than i feel pain

[ashen fulcrum]

Hiii

[vast reef]

door fight LMAO

[vast reef]

as a complex doom modpack enjoyer with shit RNG i feel this pain and joy a thousand times over

[finite crag]

I understood how to play, ballista is op, but uses a lot of plasma, so you can kill dangerous enemies by it

[hexed escarp]

Yeah zdoom was basically a complete rewrite of the original doom code so it changes a bunch of small behaviors and stuff, and then gzdoom built off of that and added a proper scripting language and hardware rendering

If you want a port that can play boom/mbf compatible wads, Id recommend using woof, it's a great source port

It can't play zdoom/gzdoom stuff but it can play most other maps

[storm obsidian]

The recoil

[fringe dew]

Three Decades of DOOM - a documentary cycle video about DOOM-community in its different time periods. Most "YouTube" videoclips are touching the DOOM franchise itself, and it's developers, but they practically do not shed the light on the contribution to it made by it's fans. Three Decades of DOOM fills this gap.

The first episode is describing the significant events from 1994 to 1996. - Why Aliens TC still remains the most often mentioned project? What influence did DWANGO service have on the games, and the multiplayer in particular back then? How did the players organize team matches, using only Deathmatch by default? The forgotten persons, their maps/levels and events in Three Decades of DOOM!

The preliminary showcase of the introductory video will be held on December 9-th in St. Petersburg, at the Russian DoomCon event.

The video will be released on YouTube in the end of this year's December.
Its English version will be ready in the beginning of 2024

https://youtu.be/fGnzGWyM1-M

Donate - https://www.donationalerts.com/r/legacyz

[spice elbow]

hey guys does anyone know how they select wads to puiblish officly for the add ons section?

[glad heart]

no, also it's "official" and "publish"

what happened at the end of doom 1993? theres daisy, was doomguys pet rabbit, i know. but what buildings are those? what happened?

[eager solstice]

Anyone else playing the newest doom 2 map pack TTP? Im stuck on map five and cant find any walkthroughs

[spice elbow]

your correcting my speling? im partialy blind and i spell however i like.

[spice elbow]

i just finished it, cant remeber gettign stuck anywhere is it the marbal piller, its not obvious but you can activate it to ride up and shoot the button

[eager solstice]

nver mind I figured it out. It was the marble piller.

But what does the button on the other side do?

you can shoot it but it activates for one second and nothing seems to happen

[spice elbow]

i was hoping for soemthign a bit more substantial we have only had 3 map packs this year including ttp

[eager solstice]

Yeah- Iot's been slow going. Did you ever figure out what that switch you can shoot on the other side of the pillar does>

The room that has a secert power armor

[halcyon willow]

notable wads from the community (like BTSX), or things specifically made for the unity port (like Earthless). has to be limit removing format (no boom/gzdoom etc)

obviously has to be of a high quality and in a 1.0 bug free release state

[ruby crater]

This might be a super dumb question, but how would someone go about publishing their own wad? Is it somewhere on doomworld or another website?

[urban trench]

Upload it somewhere and tell people where to find it. Most mods are uploaded to ModDB and Doomworld /idgames archive. " To upload files to /idgames you will want to use an FTP client to connect to archives.gamers.org" and ModDB has an easy submit function.

[halcyon willow]

you can use any file hosting service to distribute (gdrive, dropbox etc)

only put things on id/games if they're 100% complete and don't need to be updated

doomworld is a good site to use to tell people about your wad. just make a thread and drop in screenshots/info/download link

then you can share links to the doomworld thread

[ruby crater]

Thank you guys. I appreciate the help 🙂

I only have a few levels done, and I was thinking of uploading what I had completed so far

[sharp sand]

Im trying out Nightmare on Ultimate Doom on steam and when I save and exit then re load it, the turbo pinkies are slow again but enemies still respawn. Do I need to treat it like Ultra Nightmare in the modern games and do it in a single segment?

[halcyon willow]

shouldn't have to

the respawning and fast monsters are both coded into that difficulty. it's impossible for one to be on and not the other

[solemn bramble]

Yooo

[sharp sand]

Can I put a video in here showing my problem?

[azure nimbus]

what port are you on? Similar behavior existed in really old versions

any modern port like dsda or the current official steam/console versions don't have that issue

[sharp sand]

Im playing on steam and when the launch option comes up I press 'play doom' not 'launch DOS'

[finite crag]

Guys, are there mods wich make the game really complex? Like adrenalin bar, shoulder cannon, character's and weapons' upgrades, maybe some injectors with buffs. Would be nice if it is compatible to brutal doom. I want to feel doom really overloaded with tons of content. I already tested project brutality. I didnt like it because half of content became useless after level 12

Im playing delta touch v3.5.3 and my gzdoom is 3.8.2. V4.3.3 is unstable. I tested bullet time and it crushed the game

[sharp sand]

Ive now downloaded the dsda doom port and this works for me now

[night echo]

should i try to complete thy flesh consumed before i buy doom 2? i’ve gotten through the first few levels but man it’s really hard

[halcyon willow]

Episode 4 is much harder than doom 2 (and was made after doom 2 came out)

But play in whatever order you want as well c:

[night echo]

gotcha

i think i’ll buy doom 2 when i get home, since i had a blast with doom 1

[loud ether]

aight gonna make a yt video on doom

[dry niche]

is there any mod where i can eat the demon corpses? like the cannibal perk in the fallout games
i'm asking because i found a quake mod that lets you eat gibs, and i wonder if doom has a mod like that

[halcyon willow]

[loud ether]

[finite crag]

Doom 2's leveldesign is a masterpiece. After playing it for more than 2 hours you understand why this game just destroyed game industry

But there is one issue - levels are levels, but not parts of something bigger like in extermination day

They are cool itself, but you cant even say where are you and what is going on on most of the levels

All in all we all remember what Karmak said about storylines in games, so it is his vision of a game

[night echo]

isn’t that how they are in doom 1?

although i guess doom 1993’s episodes give things a bit more of a story

[wide sinew]

So is Sigil 2's release date confirmed to be on the 10th, or is that still just considered a tentative release date?

[wide sinew]

Lol you're gonna have a blast (pun not intended) once you get your hands on the super shotgun in that game. Firing it is one of the most satisfying things in gaming in general. But I HIGHLY reccomend the Doom 64 remaster on modern consoles and PC as well, as that game has the same Classic Doom gameplay as Doom 1 and 2, but even better imo. In fact, I personally think it's the best game in the series, and is probably in my top 10 favorite games of all time. It's that good.

Just make sure you play the remaster and not the N64 original, as the remaster fixes SO many things that bogged the OG version for N64 down.

[night echo]

oh my god it’s a massacre

the way this weapon was described does not convey the power i feel holding this gun. i can kill 4 imps in one click

[vast reef]

let this woman play a slaughter map with an ssg

[night echo]

oh i’ve heard of slaughter maps

it’s just like. i’ve heard people say that the super shotgun is game-defining and legendary but it couldn’t prepare me for how strong it is

[vast reef]

lol yea

i suggested a slaughter map bc knocking out an entire horde with it is

[timber wyvern]

[carmine sapphire]

https://twitter.com/romero/status/1733165531291668516

pcgamer's new issue: romero returns- inside sigil 2

[finite crag]

Project brutality and d4arsenal add 2016 styled fp glory kills, but I think it is not what you need. Anyway ping me when you find, I also want to try it

[finite crag]

Does anyone know of a nice midi soundfont? I don't mean true to the original. Rather one that sounds like real instruments and not an 80s synth. Particularly the rock guitar tracks since Doom leans so heavily on those.

[sullen olive]

December 10th, 2023. That marks the thirtieth anniversary of DOOM.

[fringe dew]

Russian Doomcon stream

https://www.twitch.tv/hellknight1390

[dry niche]

well, it counts i guess

[finite crag]

I suggest you to play d4arsenal with extermination day. D4arsenal is addon for brutal doom gold v21 and it makes gameplay less doorfightingly and with more action. There are also weapon upgrades, don't worry if you dont find them on first 5-6 maps, first one appears on nukage processing and you will not skip it anyway

Project brutality (at least staging build, I didnt play master) is overloaded with weapons and fire mods. If you want an insane arsenal you should play it. But it is not balanced, guns and demons are divided in 4 tiers and guns from previous tier are almost useless on the next

But still there are very good monsters, so this mod isnt shit

Did anyone play elementalis or siren? How are these mods?

[vast reef]

pb is watered down complex doom with gore

said it once and i'll say it again

[eager solstice]

question.

I re-installed double impact to play through again but now im stuck on maintance area. What's the trigger to make the yellow key switch open so you can hit it and drop the key down?

[finite crag]

Are there any maps from doom 2016/eternal for classic doom?

Or maybe there are open space maps for mods with upgraded moving?

[halcyon willow]

i've made a map with heavy doom eternal inspiration (including remaking the big gate in exultia)

[finite crag]

So

Where can I download it?

[hollow plume]

Does anyone know how to get to the secret Wolfenstein level in Doom 2?

[visual star]

i just found it on accident to be honest

i think it miight be somewhere in map 16, but my memory is very foggy

[amber pelican]

Happy Birthday Doom, welcome to the 30’s club.

[hollow plume]

Today is December 9th 2023... Doomsday is approaching.

[hollow plume]

Thank you. I just wanted to see if someone reply.

[vestal wing]

Map 15, you have to do a series of lever switching and stuff like that so look up a YouTube video or something, I don't really know how to explain it

[hollow plume]

Yeah.

[vestal wing]

After all that you have to go into the right tunnel and take a left (I think atleast, I don't remember much) and there should be a teleporter which would teleport you to Map31

There's also a secret second level, when you are about to see an exit, you could go for it and get to Map16 but if you wanna go to the next one, simply use the right walls until one opens and take another right and there will be another room with the exit to Map32

https://youtu.be/MX18ztfNxUg?si=hvIs_zW8vgAlhWnj I remember I used this video right here

[prime ruin]

Happy Birthday!

[stark acorn]

happy birthday to doom

[blissful crystal]

Is today the 30th anniversary?

[night echo]

tomorrow

[blissful crystal]

Ah ok

[loud ether]

bro n doom i can’t shoot!!!

[blissful crystal]

I can't shoot for shit. 😂😂🤣🤣

[elder igloo]

feliz cumpleaños doom

[calm cradle]

https://vxtwitter.com/kbeevans/status/1733636009903210738?s=20

[gusty falcon]

The meme continues

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW0eJDLbZXY

[night echo]

something i’ve noticed playing doom 2. you get Japed a lot in this game

like i just got out of tricks and traps and tbh that level was only 400% more japes than the rest of the game

[potent sphinx]

30 YEARS BAYBEE

[calm cradle]

https://eviternity.dfdoom.com/

Eviternity 2 wooo!

These were the big guns I was hoping to see for this years' anniversary

[cedar crag]

Happy 30th DooM

[gusty falcon]

What does being japed even mean?

[night echo]

getting pranked

getting clowned on

i picked it up from a streamer i like 👍

[blissful crystal]

I was a shareware kid. 🤣😂

[last latch]

Happy birthday doom, here's to another decade!

[night echo]

beat map9 “the pit” earlier

ngl worst official doom map i’ve ever played. god that was horrendous

[visual star]

SIGIL 2 IS OUT

[halcyon willow]

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/116003-bastion-of-chaos-low-spec-version-is-up/

[untold hemlock]

average doom 2 map

[vast reef]

sunlust map 27 and 28

okuplok 🙂 (pretty fun if you use ultimate custom doom to make it playable)

[brave cave]

Check today's Wikipedia feature article

[finite crag]

Can anyone recommend me a hud with ammo and health information near crosshair?

Like in hl2

[stark acorn]

timezones

[remote cedar]

Happy 30th Anniversary to one of the most important games of all time 🔥

[vast reef]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY DOOOMMM

I WAS GONNA ORGANIZE A "TWO HOURS TO DOOM" EVENT WHERE WE PLAY SOME MODS ON A SERVER B4 THE ANNIVERSARY BUT GOT BUSY

[fast thorn]

HAPPY DOOMSDAY!!!

[normal lodge]

Happy birhday DOOM(1993) !

[molten citrus]

oh yeah, it's sigil 2 time

[mild vessel]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY DOOM

[potent sleet]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY DOOM.

[finite crag]

Happy birthday doom

Guys I have some problems with ammo management

But x2ing amount of ammo is boring

Are there any mods which add tasks like kill 18 imps by shotgun

And give you money to buy ammo

?

I know there are total conversion mods with this feature

[untold hemlock]

Idk i just chainsaw everything in my way

[tender minnow]

Happy birthday doom can you take me back to 1995 in high school when we first met and my 486 pc at home thank you love doom

[cursive flax]

is it realy worse than e2m9 though

or uh...e4m4

[remote cedar]

right?? a map that is so vertical when you can't look up or down shouldn't even exist imho

[night echo]

i don’t think i got to that one, and i never played e4m4

[remote cedar]

the only saving grace of that level is Into Sandy's City (and personally I don't think it's that good of a track)

[night echo]

it feels like a bunch of the rooms exist purely to screw you over

[remote cedar]

I like MAP10 much more imho. A lot more enemies but it's definitely more fun strategizing to deal with running low on ammo

[remote cedar]

not to mention the second map to feature the Pain Elemental. Very annoying enemy and that's solely because of infinitely tall actors

[untold hemlock]

every doom 2 map with pain elementals are instantly ruined

[fierce smelt]

HAPPY 30TH DOOM!!!

[earnest sierra]

Wanted to try Sigil 2 om ms Dos doom sadly it crashed when starting up xD...

[eager solstice]

any wads dropping for doom 30th?

[autumn galleon]

"Stay tuned for more info coming this week!"
Unless it's online multiplayer patches for the PS4, Xbox One, and Switch ports of Doom 1, 2, and 3, I'm not interested. But still, Happy 30th Anniversary Doom!

[hot steppe]

[blissful elbow]

Eviternity 2 and Sigil 2 both dropped

[remote cedar]

iirc Sigil 2 needs a limit-removing port but I'm not completely sure

[eager solstice]

its not showing up for me

is it not through the steam doom client? the bethesda store or whatever it is that gives us the wads

[remote cedar]

I think not

Sigil 2 released today and you can get it from John Romero's website

but you can't use it in the Unity port of Doom

although I'm pretty sure that will change soon enough

[eager solstice]

will it work in GZdoom?

[molten citrus]

yes

[eager solstice]

cool

[molten citrus]

its on romero's website

currently running it on GZdoom

[ruby crater]

Happy 30th everyone

[gentle compass]

Haven't seen it get posted here yet, but the 2023 Cacowards are up! https://www.doomworld.com/cacowards/2023/

Lots of classic doom goodness in here, phenomenal projects worth a look

[remote cedar]

Oh damn you're right, I saw it earlier but I didn't check it out

thanks for the link aye

[zenith berry]

Unsurprisingly, MyHouse.wad is there. Greatest mod of this year.

It’d be a crime if that mod wouldn’t even make it to the list.

[gentle compass]

It did get its own writeup, as it should have

Lots of flavor in both the surreal and orthodox this year

[atomic violet]

Any one try to do doom 2 trophy I need 4 maps and is over for me. Write me if you can help me out.

[finite crag]

[remote cedar]

all of the mods featured in the Cacowards this year are really good

I've never really checked out the Cacowards before

the screenshots from this year's selection are amazing

[lofty gate]

anyone alive here

oh,only furries here 💀

[remote cedar]

at this point I'd rather be a furry than spend money on Discord profile effects

what happened to enjoying Doom

[halcyon willow]

play nice or gtfo

[silk falcon]

Happy 30 year anniversary to classic doom

[finite crag]

Are there any other cool stuff like extermination day?

[unreal gulch]

anyone know the gzdoom console command to toggle your gun onscreen? i want to be able to make it appear and disappear with a bind

[halcyon willow]

r_drawplayersprites i think

[unreal gulch]

ahh thank you so much!
i want to set up a bind for a fly around camera view, which i’ve done before but didn’t remember exactly the commands

[halcyon willow]

yeah i've got the same set up myself c: add in 'noclip2' as well and that puts fly/noclip on

[unreal gulch]

right now i have
bind 2 “fly;turbo 25” to fly around at a slower speed

[halcyon willow]

camera mode baby

[unreal gulch]

that was it! yeah noclip2! i remember now yes

[halcyon willow]

very useful

[unreal gulch]

i may wanna have clipping on for this one

but having the option is great

my buddy and i recreated doom eternal’s outro cutscene in doom 2 with the icon and all but that’s been years and i couldn’t remember

so i’ll add that player sprites command as well and that should give me a full on camera view

[steep owl]

i got a question is there a difference betweeen the steam doom 1 and 2 and the wads included in doom eternal?
or are they the same just now playable on steam and not needing gzdoom

[unreal gulch]

i remember for Eternal people would use controllers for smoothness

[fleet mason]

hey man, can you check general?

[wide sinew]

Does anyone know how I can load both Sigil and Sigil 2 in PrBoom while retaining the original Ultimate Doom title screen?

[vale gyro]

30 years old, heh

good day

[rancid thorn]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2000693432

Great stream

[fickle adder]

doom30 !!

[steel lion]

Any interesting doom wads im running out

[azure nimbus]

sigil 2 and eviternity 2

[steel lion]

Eviternity?

[azure nimbus]

mbf21 megawad with Joshua O'Sullivan and co

[hexed escarp]

you could edit the wads to remove the custom title screens

crispy doom also has a feature where if you launch just ultimate doom but have the sigil wad in the folder, it will automatically load it as an episode but keep the original title screen and intermission music, but play the sigil intermission music when playing sigil maps

it doesnt support sigil 2 but maybe it will in the future

[tender minnow]

Watching the video with John Romero and John Carmack so good about classic doom and so many feels as I grew up in the 80/90s with doom quake and unreal tournament and Wolfenstein 3D in my gaming brain so many feels emotions and so iconic really they do transport you to a different time

[vale gyro]

finally finished Sigil

[jovial wing]

finally finished KDIDD on UV (yes I suck)

I was gonna do it earlier but I decided I was gonna do it on the 30th anniv instead

[vast reef]

goodwad

just check the machawards broski

[zenith berry]

You should play the KDiKDiZD one too

[jovial wing]

how difficult is it

I (really) suck

[vale gyro]

man if you think you suck I play ALL wads on HMP or lower

[vast reef]

same thing i think

[vale gyro]

you good man

[jovial wing]

I usually play HMP actually

[vast reef]

what's the most complex 3d floor map you guys know of

i wanna see how laggy it gets 👍

[noble wedge]

Decino recreating E1 from memory is gold

[hard wolf]

It was okay, but seemed to go by so quickly. I was hoping for more Sigil 2 footage than the looped short in the background.

[median cloud]

No way Eviternity 2 was released???

[cosmic pagoda]

yeah and its a ball buster

[vast meteor]

Is Sigil 2 out yet

[dry niche]

which was your first doom version?

mine was doom for the sega 32x

[vast reef]

forgot if it was gba or dos

[hexed escarp]

Yes

Get it on Romero's site

[pale finch]

you know what i really miss? doom intermission maps

why didn't TFC/D2 have one 😭😭😭

[random crescent]

I notice read me for sigil 2 says beware UV setting did Romero make bring it on harder then UV to troll?

[eager solstice]

Hoow do I get the sigil2 wad to gz doom

I would igamine so he did the same to sigil 1

one extra monster in the end room of e1m1 but that oone monster makes escaping a bitch

So where do I put the wad that gz doom would allow me to select it? I dont see a file for it in the extracted gz doom files anywhere

[azure nimbus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJQenx0hIPY&t=1s

[random crescent]

Sigil 2 is pretty mediocre so far he needs to stop using the hidden switches it's so annoying

[night echo]

yeah, i think doom 1’s intermission screens were really cool

but for doom 2 it’s just a neat-looking texture

[pale finch]

someone made those for doom 2, tnt and plutonia

sigil too

no sigil 2 or tfc sadly

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/129057-doom-2-intermission-maps-complete/

[eager solstice]

:< I guess I have to unistall gz doom

[night echo]

why?

[ashen seal]

Commodore 64

[eager solstice]

Because I already have the wads connected to GZ doom from their folders in steam and now I dont have the option to search/add new folders

[finite crag]

drag the sigil2.wad file into GZDoom.exe from the same folder, it's the easiest way

[eager solstice]

My first was Ultimate doom on the pc, before i even discovered mouse and wasd controls

[night echo]

so what did mancubi do before they got their cybernetic enhancements

[eager solstice]

IT

[night echo]

i like to imagine they just stood in front of doorways so that you couldn’t go through them

[night echo]

imagining a mancubus huddled in a tiny office cubicle typing on a keyboard

[eager solstice]

I say IT because most IT people I know where fat mouth breathers

[median cloud]

should I play sigil 2 first or eviternity 2 first

[halcyon willow]

eviternity 2 is much longer

[median cloud]

than eviternity 1 or than sigil 2?

[halcyon willow]

both

[median cloud]

ohh exciting

Im def a lot more excited to play eviternity 2

[urban trench]

How did I miss Sigil 2? I'm going to pause my Ancient Aliens run and try it out.

[median cloud]

damn man sigil is kinda hard

[normal sphinx]

Can't believe that it is already 30 years since the series

[weak dune]

Can't believe it's 30 years ago. I'm feeling old haha. Gonna play Sigil 2.

[royal heron]

Sigil 2 released?

Will need to try it out

Might break me out of my doom hiatus

[urban trench]

Sigil 2 kinda hard also. I'm already feeling like giving up with the first level.

[finite crag]

Are there any other mods as extermination day?

Like big mappack with cool details, soundracks, new enemies, the story

[jovial wing]

does anyone know how to get actual vanilla monsters in brutal doom

turning on vanilla monsters in bd options doesn't affect barons

[vast meteor]

Can u get it on switch

[azure nimbus]

It'll probably be released for switch soon but not yet. If you want access to custom mapsets, your best bet is spending the 6 dollars for classic doom on pc so you can download stuff freely. Even if you have a weak computer, it'll run just fine

[vast meteor]

Ok thanks

[hard wolf]

It takes some resource management.

[jovial wing]

anyone?

[wide sinew]

Hopefully WADSmoosh adds support for Sigil 2 soon, because I've finally legally acquired all the official WADs.

[jovial wing]

@wide sinew can you answer my question in #screenshots

[wide sinew]

Sure, lemme check

[peak bison]

I own this game (probably not a suprise)

[jovial wing]

we all do

(except like 3 people who are just here because theyre fans of the game)

@wide sinew so whats your favorite source port?

favorite is gzdoom
second favorite is dsda

[wide sinew]

Well I used to main the official Unity port because I usually don't have a PC on hand (usually just my phone), but last night I picked up Delta Touch on my phone because the official Unity ports are kinda iffy in what they're able to play, so now I'm using GZDoom.

[jovial wing]

ngl the unity ports kinda suck

[wide sinew]

They don't

They're great for consoles

[jovial wing]

well for pc

there's deff better options

boom, crispy doom, gzdoom, prboom+ etc

[wide sinew]

Well yeah, obviously

[jovial wing]

but yeah on the console unity port is good

[wide sinew]

Yeah, as someone who's more of a console gamer, the Unity ports are pretty fantastic.

[jovial wing]

yeah but for a pc user, unity ports of course lack the customization any pc user would hope for (no offense to consoles)

one thing i dont like about unity ports is that you can't delete save games or modify save game names

[wide sinew]

Yeah. I mean, the Unity ports can run some WADs if you put them in the same WADs folder as the official add-ons, but it's limited

[jovial wing]

how am I supposed to differintiate between savegame 2023-12-10 15:34 2023-12-10 20:24 and savegame 2023-12-10 17:36

[wide sinew]

But yeah, as a console gamer, I'm quite fond of those ports regardless, and the Switch ports were what I played through all the Classic Doom stuff on for the first time.

[jovial wing]

i'm kind of a fan of green medkits tho they're pretty epic

only problem is

THE GREEN CROSS ISNT ALIGNED FOR SOME REASON

[wide sinew]

I actually own the entire main series on Switch (Doom 1, Doom II, Doom 64, Doom 3, Doom (2016), and Doom Eternal) plus the Doom pinball table in Pinball FX3

[wide sinew]

I never noticed that, now I'm probably gonna not be able to unsee it, thanks (lol)

[jovial wing]

you're welcome

[wide sinew]

Lmao

[jovial wing]

https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=67017

first image

congratulations to someone at bethesda or whatever changing the color of the medkits and somehow screwing up the alignment

they need to get a raise

[wide sinew]

I can't see it

[jovial wing]

the green medkit

regular medkit

it's shifted slightly up

[wide sinew]

Oh

[jovial wing]

yeah you're welcome

[wide sinew]

I wouldn't have noticed that unless I compared side-by-side lol

[jovial wing]

fr?

i noticed it instantly

"yo these look pretty good acuall- IS THAT MISALIGNED?"

[wide sinew]

Nope. Probably because I began playing Doom with those ports, so I never noticed because I'm used to them

But have you played Sigil 2 yet?

[jovial wing]

i've downloaded just to get on the hype train

and i never played cuz i suck

i suck at almost everything

[wide sinew]

Do you not like save scumming?

[jovial wing]

and i will admit it took me so many tries to get through the end section of e1m6 without taking splash dmg

[jovial wing]

i do that

[wide sinew]

Same

There's nothing wrong with it imo

[jovial wing]

bruh fr

[wide sinew]

It's not cheating because it was in the original releases

[jovial wing]

what do you think of vertical mouse movement (i already know what you think i just wanna hear it in your words)

[wide sinew]

I hate it lol

Doom was never made for looking up and down

Jumping and crouching also don't belong in Classic Doom

[jovial wing]

i'm actually a fan of jumping and crouching

[wide sinew]

Jumping especially, as it can be quite broken in some maps

[jovial wing]

they make the game feel juuuuuust a bit more realistic

oh no, i kill thousands of demons canonnically but i can't make it across this pit

very sad

[wide sinew]

I don't like jumping mainly because you can cheat your way through some maps with it

[jovial wing]

i get it can be abused in some cases

yeah i did that

[wide sinew]

Yeah

[jovial wing]

me personally i dont have a problem with that

[wide sinew]

To each their own

[jovial wing]

yeah

have you ever played chex quest?

[wide sinew]

Yes, that game is great

[jovial wing]

frfr

third episode was actually kinda tough

and flemoidus stridicus can go kill zorch themselves

[wide sinew]

The HD remake isn't as good imo, but it's still okay

[jovial wing]

https://tenor.com/view/chex-mix-chex-quest-fps-chex-squadron-i-volunteer-gif-23043039

[jovial wing]

i got it just for the meme

[wide sinew]

I have it on Switch. It costs money on there, but I got it on sale for like less than a buck or something like that lol

[jovial wing]

cuz the remake removes so many aspects of the og

[wide sinew]

Yeah. Anyways, I'mma bounce. Nice talking to you! Accept my friend request so we can KIT

[jovial wing]

i did cya

[azure nimbus]

Authorial intent for Doom is weird. John Carmack has said that modders should add freelook. but also...that's not what the game is designed for, especially the way the bfg works

[pale finch]

...they definitely could have, the only reason was ther potato pcs in 1993 couldn't really run that many rays and sectors

[azure nimbus]

It's more to do with the way rendering was set up. Letting you look up and down isn't actually that hard. What was more difficult was for things to render normally. Basically things far away look closer together. That effect is not active in vanilla doom for height. So letting you look up would only scroll up the texture and be really weird to look at

So they chose not to let you do it. You can try this out by enabling freelook in software mode or on cripsy

[finite crag]

Is it my schizofrenia or first half of extermination day (especially non city earth levels) are inspired with half life a bit too much?

[dry niche]

i'm making a map, i think the face wall texture is funny

sp_face1

like bro how do you find that scary they look so goofy

[cosmic pagoda]

weird, i got to map 32 from map09 in eviternity 2, not the usual 15

does this mean I will skip over 10-15?

[azure nimbus]

no. if the set is designed that way, it'll work properly. not strict vanilla so there is more wiggle room

[dry niche]

Sigil 2 is now an addon on the unity port! (i've never finished sigil 1)

[azure nimbus]

Go do sigil 1 first. The jump in difficulty is significant

[cosmic pagoda]

oh nice, seems like a really fun map too the 32, 1778 enemies even on hmp

[dry niche]

i didn't like it, it felt like the worst levels in chapter 4

[azure nimbus]

I've only played the first two maps so far, but it seems to follow a similar ethos. By all means, these are more polished, but it is definitely in the spirit of e4m2 and e4m6

Not e4m1

[cosmic pagoda]

https://i.imgur.com/RchgGSy.png

uh oh

okay that was clever

not gonna spoil it but damn that fight was fun

[halcyon willow]

there are multiple secret maps

one per episode

so you found the episode 2 secret map

[cosmic pagoda]

oh thats neat

gotta go play episode 1 again, and find that one as well, I think I know where it was, saw the purple portal but didnt think much of it

[night echo]

even if they could have, i think the game is better because they didn’t

[finite crag]

Guys I watched a video about roguelike mod for doom

It is named smth like doom eternity or idk I will watch

Are there addons for it?

Or maybe mods with which is it compatable?

[pale finch]

it's probably because they polished the levels with no mouselook in mind

[pale finch]

doom infinite

[pale finch]

i guess try beautiful doom

that one's like, universal

[finite crag]

Can you give me a short guide

Just not to feel pain in the ass for the first hour

Becuse like my previos wads walkthroughs were with brutal doom addons

And I guess playstyle is very different

[pale finch]

i don't get it, runthrough of infinite?

[urban trench]

In Sigil II, I'm happy when I finally gain 16% health. This is brutal.

[hard wolf]

Just been playing the Sigil 2 console port, it's not as difficult as the streamers make it out to be.

[jovial wing]

bruh fr

[balmy night]

Hello! I am doing a research paper on how linear algebra was used in the classic Doom Engine since the source code and I have been poking around it but have been struggling to find places where linear algebra is used explcitly, I was checking out r_ files to look for places in the renderer where it could have been used but wasn't having any luck. Any suggestions?

[vast reef]

no it's like mmjp said

looking up and down was always possible, it just looked ugly because of the way the renderer was structured

they let you look up and down in heretic, a doom engine game from 1994

[vast reef]

check the software renderer 🫡

[balmy night]

which files would that be in?

[vast reef]

wait i didn't read ur msg correctly you already did 😭

v_video has a matrix if you can use that

[balmy night]

oh ya that might work, i am looking for like transformations ans vector math specifically i think. im sure theres stuff in the renderer i was just having a hard time reading the code even tho i know C. im trying to showcase linear algebra and how it was used to revolutionize 3d graphics and game engines

[jovial wing]

anyone know how to bypass
"You cannot -file with the shareware version. Register!"
error? I've opened the file in slade and I can't find where that part of the code is

[azure nimbus]

sounds like you need to purchase the game

[jovial wing]

I did

I purchased both games

but I literally just want a shareware file that can load pwads

but actually do you know how I can do that?

[azure nimbus]

if you bought the game, don't use the shareware. You can't load pwads onto shareware

Just use the actual game. You'll find the same code in freedoom btw. The code is identical. Doom's code is open source

[jovial wing]

@wide sinew have you completed all of chex quest?

I did and E3M4 was a fucking pain

they put so many flemoidus stridicus in the map and their speed is somewhere between 30 and 700000 mph

and they like to zig zag (they want to waste your rocket/propulsor ammo)

episode 3 in general is way more challenging

and i found myself so tight on ammo that cells were more common than shells and bullets

[wide sinew]

Nope

[jovial wing]

oh

just the first?

spoiler alert:
||episode 3 is pain||

[zenith berry]

The part where Chex really feels like Doom.

[hybrid scarab]

Hey guys, I'm new on Discord, this layout is overly complicated to me

I'm using a very, veeeery old piece of hardware, can't run openGl, cannot play mods like brutal doom

I just wanted to mouse slip and be able to explore the hidden areas

Does anyone know if that's possible with the Steam version?

[vast reef]

mouse slip?

[cosmic pagoda]

to explore hidden areas you traditionally use iddt and idclip

[hybrid scarab]

I mean vertical mouse look

[median cloud]

Man I've been struggling with Sigil, haven't killed the cyber in either maps

He really made it kinda tough

[hybrid scarab]

I've always played Ultimate Doom and Doom 2 on UV or UV+, but I play Sigil on Hurt me plenty

[merry wharf]

Does anyone who has Doom 1/2 on Nintendo Switch experience a problem playing SIGIL II?

Specifically, when I went to level 8 and right at the entrance I noticed some red-blue lines that shouldn't be there... I don't know if I'll be the only one that happens to that.

[azure nimbus]

I don't see any blue lines on DSDA on computer

[hidden dawn]

Should I play through the original games first before playing the maps that were given or does it not matter?

[finite crag]

would probably be a good idea to at least play the original Doom and Doom 2, maybe Plutonia before delving into other stuff to familiarize yourself with the design themes and potential references but you can just play whatever

[hidden dawn]

I play through the original maps most of the time but I usually get an itch to play with the community maps, especially Rekkr considering my love for Norse and Celtic stuff

What is Rekkr a refrence too tho? I read in its thing that it's a big ass refrence to an old ass shooter game

[eager solstice]

dog shit

[hidden dawn]

That doesn't give me any info lol

[eager solstice]

Its a reference to all those shovelware games that suck ass which is why its such a hot pile of crap

ever play any of those games you got on the cheap shelf of a staples?

[hidden dawn]

No? Never had a staples nearby

I had a V-smile and V-Flash when I was a kid then a 3ds

And the only computer games I played were Spore and Fate

[eager solstice]

Well it doesnt have to be a staples. target or wal mart or even e-bay had them

[hidden dawn]

Never played em

[eager solstice]

I remember buying a diablo clone that was like 8 bucks

[hidden dawn]

But I like Rekkr for the Norse and Celtic stuff, I don't really care if it's trash i love it, also I play diablo 3 on switch lol

[eager solstice]

and it was so bad that the game wasn't playable after the first level

[hidden dawn]

I see

I mostly grew up on 90's stuff

[eager solstice]

same

doom command and conquier and starcraft diable. all the big ones

diablo

[void hemlock]

Diablo IV

[hidden dawn]

I want to try elder scrolls 1 and 2

[void hemlock]

Diablo Immortal

[eager solstice]

hell yeah sigil 2 is on the steam version now

wtf is this bullshit

2 caco to fight with just a pistool

while you have to fight a bunch of imps too

what a downgrade from sigil 1

[minor basin]

I haven’t played Sigil 1 or 2 yet, they look fun though

I still haven’t even beaten Eviternity yet

[unreal gulch]

any secret weapon?

[eager solstice]

no not at the start

there is a chaingun ater twords the mid-end of the map though

[tight stone]

hey im a bit new, i have a classic doom meme, where would i be able to post it?

[minor basin]

For those who played Myhouse.Wad, I hid a little tribute at the Dwight Old Town Cemetery in Illinois. You’ll know when you see it…

I wish you all the best of luck on finding it

[white vortex]

Memes aren't allowed in this server

[tight stone]

oh ok, thanks

[minor basin]

Why does this rule even exist???

[white vortex]

Memes ruined conversations and were spammed in chats

and either way it's fine most memes aren't funny at all

[median cloud]

theres a secret exit in map 03 of eviternity 2 lol

[minor basin]

Ooohhh

[eager solstice]

why not make a channel for memes

[minor basin]

That’s what I’m saying

[unreal gulch]

moderating memes on a server this big would be a headache. especially since it’s the official doom server and will have certain guidelines other servers may not

[minor basin]

I will only give one hint for this hunt. to get a lead on the whereabouts of the secret, check out my recent posts on X

[vestal wing]

You guys think they should achievements to the Doom games on Steam

Talking about Doom 1 and 2

[minor basin]

Absolutely

[vestal wing]

Hopefully they do that for the 30th anniversary

Just don't see why PS and Xbox gets achievements but Steam doesn't lol

[dry niche]

classic doom games have achievements?

i thought the bfg edition was the only classic doom version to have achievements

[vestal wing]

They don't, the Bethesda rereleases do

I should be more specific lol

[minor basin]

They need to add Eviternity 1 and 2 to the official ports

[hard wolf]

I mean I guess they have trophies, at least on the PlayStation.

I play the Slayer Collection version currently.

I've been playing Sigil 2 though more recently, which obviously doesn't have achievements.

[dry niche]

you mean the unity sourceport?

[vestal wing]

Yeah

[dry niche]

i have it on switch and i hate it, doom 2016's multiplayer is dead and doom 3 on consoles doesn't have multiplayer for some reason

at least i can play classic doom co-op with my dad

[minor basin]

Me When My Ringtone Goes Off (It’s The Classic Revenant Scream):

https://tenor.com/view/undertaker-wwe-gif-25427770

[vestal wing]

If I only still lived in Illinois I would definitely do it lmao

[minor basin]

I’m glad somebody read my post from earlier lol

[vestal wing]

Lmao

[azure nimbus]

what map

[dry niche]

how do i make a door in ultimate doombuilder

[remote cedar]

iirc that's been answered before and I don't remember exactly how but it's really easy

there's tutorials out there for that

[minor basin]

Has anybody else seen the glow in the dark DOOM figure yet???

My Initial Reaction:

https://tenor.com/view/milk-milk-rain-crazy-i-love-milk-milk-shower-gif-2272858959438617607

[obsidian stag]

What's worse, Chaingunner or archvile?

[covert cedar]

I gotta go with chaingunners, the hit scan gets me killed more than any other demon

[vestal wing]

I never really realized how bad chaingunners were until I started playing nightmare

Archvile just depends on the map though

[minor basin]

The Archvile

[minor basin]

Btw, I love your profile lmao

[obsidian stag]

thank

[finite crag]

Porco dio

It is so laggy

Yeah version for bad pcs is necessary

Ill download it

[vast reef]

there was one

it turned to shit

[vast reef]

chaingunner

both of them need you to take cover

but you don't take damage immediately upon getting in the vile's LOS

meanwhile chaingunners are harsher area denial, at least for short distances

i love the utility of doom's enemies, chaingunners for short distance area denial and archviles for long distance

[quiet hornet]

chainguner

imagine fighting a nightmare difficulty chaingunner

[dusk umbra]

is it because people posting meme about that mod?

[night echo]

archviles are very scary but chaingunners appear more often than archviles

[hybrid scarab]

yeah, the frequency of the monsters counts too much, and not being able to dodge

[vast reef]

everythinf

[night echo]

there’s also that one room in map9 that made me hate chaingunners 3x as much

[hybrid scarab]

hell yeah, but to me they are the most satisfying monster to kill, hands down

[dusk umbra]

i love them for that, just wish eternal did the riot soldier better.

[night echo]

for me it’s arachnotrons or mancubi

something about their health is just right, easy to kill yet still takes effort

plus i love the arachnotron death animation, how chunks of the brain just explode off

[hybrid scarab]

oh, mancubi for sure, and the sound is awesome

[hybrid scarab]

Does anyone know if UV+ on the Steam version is just Nightmare without respawing?

[azure nimbus]

uv+ on unity (steam and new official console versions) is the usual uv+ (which is -coop_spawns) as well as -fast.

Nightmare does not have coop spawns(though you could enable it if you're crazy), and would also have double ammo

[finite crag]

Has anyone recommendations about maps?

Which are compatible with brutal doom

[halcyon willow]

Brutal doom is notorious for tanking fps

[minor basin]

UAC Ultra

[finite crag]

Already played

[minor basin]

No Rest For The Living

[finite crag]

Btw final boss is cringe, but I liked the idea

[minor basin]

I haven’t finished it yet lol

[finite crag]

Is it doom 1 styled?

Like is there a boss

[minor basin]

DOOM II

[finite crag]

Or map design is modern?

[minor basin]

I has basic level design

Nothing too fancy

[finite crag]

I also played eday and final carnage

Are there other maps with eday resources?

Techbases look cool

[minor basin]

Not sure tbh

I’m about to finish No Rest in VR

Just waiting for my Quest 3 to charge

[finite crag]

Wow

I have quest 2

[minor basin]

You should definitely upgrade

It’s totally worth it

[finite crag]

My pc a bit doesnt have this thing oh how is it called

[night echo]

have you ever played revolution?

[minor basin]

TNT???

[night echo]

i don’t know if it’s compatible with brutal doom but it was pretty good

[finite crag]

Tnt is evilution

[minor basin]

True

[night echo]

huh? no it’s like, a whole mod? it’s one of the add-ons included with the bethesda versions

so that’s how i played it

[minor basin]

Revbus

[finite crag]

My pc doesnt support opengl 2.0

Can it run doom in vr?

[minor basin]

Has anybody played Revenant Bus???

[finite crag]

And it also doesnt have video card

[night echo]

never played, what’s it like?

[minor basin]

https://tenor.com/view/revenant-doom-doom2-springtrap-fnaf-gif-22081016

[minor basin]

You’ll have to see for yourself lol

I don’t want to spoil it

[finite crag]

It remind me these revenants with cyberdemon launchers

From brutal complex monster pack

[night echo]

it is also, in my opinion, pretty darn good

kinda tough in my opinion but only because i’m not great

[finite crag]

All in all doom 2 has the best maps

[finite crag]

I found wad called ngng

Stands for no glory no guts or smth like it

[minor basin]

Never heard of it

I’ll have to look it up

[finite crag]

Some gothic stuff as I can see from the 1st level

Should be good

I also found a great mod

D2016arsenal, it is addon for brutal doom

Adds glory kills, upgrades and removes reloading

Much funnier than basic brutal doom

Glory kills go brr

But it should be played with 20+ maps mappacks

Because upgrades drop from bosses and spawn rarely

[hybrid scarab]

I don't like respawing, it is a tough challenge, but it's not fun to me

[cosmic pagoda]

Okay just finished eviternity 2 on hmp, except for map30 i still have to do and missed map 31 which i will have to get on the revisit

And it was glorious

What a ride

Ball buster on hmp even though

Idk my hats off to people who do it on uv

Not only the maps but also the music was too shelf

Top*

The one on 36 is especially noteworthy

Creates so much unease

And the map itself has such oppressive atmosphere, that cybie lift puzzle took me so many tries

Thank god for saves lol, rip the people who try do it in one go

[cold nimbus]

personally convinced john romero made sigil 2 to mess with 100 percenters

[dry niche]

how do i change music in a map? i want to add doom 64 music to my map

[minor basin]

You have to import the file you want to add, and rename it to the file name of whatever map you want to change

[dry niche]

thanks

[minor basin]

Did you figure it out???

I had a tough time figuring it out too

[minor basin]

Also, I would recommend converting your file to an .ogg file

[finite crag]

Man, thy flesh consumed got hands. Do you guys have any tips? (im a newbie)

[jovial wing]

e1m8

[minor basin]

When parallax DOOM isn’t compatible with VR yet:

https://tenor.com/view/crying-reaction-sad-table-slam-gif-22790012

[jovial wing]

idk how I never saw this

but frfr

[cosmic pagoda]

what difficulty?

I suggest lowering it

get past first 2 maps and you are good to go

gets easier until 6

[jovial wing]

also isn't chex quest episode 3 a fan project?

[cosmic pagoda]

wasnt it a total conversion originally?

wonder if I want to try sigil II

while I appreciate romero and stuff, it's still a doom 1 episode, dont really find the idea of hard doom 1 maps that appealing, shotgunning barons and all that

[finite crag]

Hurt me plenty

[cosmic pagoda]

try hntr, the first 2 levels

if e4m3 feels too easy switch back to hmp

[finite crag]

E4m2 is destroying me

[cosmic pagoda]

but its really the first 2 maps on e4 that are stupid hard

[jovial wing]

it is a tc

but chex 3 is a fan project afaik

[finite crag]

Im trying to beat it without save scumming

[cosmic pagoda]

yeah do hey not too rough first

[jovial wing]

save scumming is perfectly fine imo

[cosmic pagoda]

you can switch back to hurt me plenty for 3 and onwards

[jovial wing]

but i get the sense of challenge

[cosmic pagoda]

it really gets easier

[finite crag]

I know, im doing it to get better

Its my second playthrough

[cosmic pagoda]

yeah, I save scummed my way through eviternity 2, dont even wanna think about guys who do it in no save and ultra violence

hmp was already frickin hard

[finite crag]

Im excited to play sigil after im done with E4

[cosmic pagoda]

maybe play other iwads until you get better, and return

[finite crag]

Yeah

[cosmic pagoda]

do a plutonia run or 2

and see if you can handle it better

[finite crag]

Sure

Is tnt good for newcomers?

[cosmic pagoda]

idk if tnt is good for anything

[finite crag]

XD

[cosmic pagoda]

theres a couple nice maps, but it gets so boring imo

[finite crag]

I downloaded it because its part of final doom

[cosmic pagoda]

tnt is around doom2 in difficulty

[finite crag]

Hmmm

[cosmic pagoda]

imo

[finite crag]

Im waiting for a sale to buy doom 2

Can i play myhouse.wad on the steam version?

Or do i need gzdoom?

[cosmic pagoda]

idk, what its compatabilitty version is

mbf21?

[jovial wing]

loading iwads/pwads is a huggle hassle on unity ports

[cosmic pagoda]

but I suggest get a nice source port anyway, steam version seems weird in any way

[jovial wing]

to the point where you're better off just getting gzdoom

[cosmic pagoda]

get dsda

[jovial wing]

or prboom+ if that's more of your thing

[jovial wing]

yeah or dsda

[finite crag]

I want a source port that is most faithfull

To the original

[cosmic pagoda]

crispy doom but that only supports limit removing

[jovial wing]

chocolate doom:

[cosmic pagoda]

otherwise get dsda

[jovial wing]

chocolate doom / prboom+

[cosmic pagoda]

its more faithful than unity anyway, unity has sr50 by default

[jovial wing]

you said most faithful

chocolate doom is pretty much 1:1 with pretty much only engine fixes n stuff like that

[finite crag]

If i remember correctly the steam port comes with an dos emulator right?

[jovial wing]

yeah

[finite crag]

Is it good?

[jovial wing]

i guess

[cosmic pagoda]

yeah chocolate doom was meant to test vanilla wads on modern machines, crispy is a fork of chocolate that does limit removing

[jovial wing]

it's literally just dosbox

I suggest Crispy Doom or PrBoom+ or DSDA-Doom tho

[cosmic pagoda]

if your wad needs more modern stuff for compat you need dsda

[finite crag]

Makes sense

[jovial wing]

does dsda support pk3s?

[azure nimbus]

no

A pk3 is gonna need a zdoom derived port, usually gz

[jovial wing]

yeah

pk3 = zip pretty much

are the two interchangeable tho?

or will there be issues

[azure nimbus]

idk about that. A zipfile you can click unzip and extract.

[jovial wing]

pk3s can also be opened using 7zip

[azure nimbus]

oh alright. Maybe they're similar in some way. Whatever the case, it's usually gonna go in gz

[cosmic pagoda]

I wish there was a tool that packaged pk3s into wads - would let me use version control on my wad development

really just want a directory that I can pack into a limit removing compatible pwad

[azure nimbus]

There's essentially a wad in a pk3. But gz format isn't compatable with other stuff like boom

[jovial wing]

aren't pk3s more sophisticated than wads?

[cosmic pagoda]

or maybe I just have to make a git plugin to support that

[jovial wing]

pk3s have all the cool tech

(myhouse.pk3)

[cosmic pagoda]

basically I want to have version control that tracks changes to the maps I make

[jovial wing]

everyone's calling it myhouse.wad bruh

the .wad is the normal one not the arg

[finite crag]

So it was pk3 all along

[cosmic pagoda]

https://i.imgur.com/bzhEWXd.png <- this sort of version control is tedious

[jovial wing]

yeah

[cosmic pagoda]

I save copies every now and then so to be able to go back if I do something stupid

[jovial wing]

do any of you guys know how to play brutal doom without the new enemy AI fr?
vanilla monsters on still has some monster behavior changes

and barons still have special attacks

bolognese blood feels like mist not the splatters in brutal doom

and I like the brutal doom weapons as well

[cosmic pagoda]

doesnt it have like switchable settings?

[azure nimbus]

eviternity 2 might be the only mapset to make a super duper shotgun that really works

[cosmic pagoda]

you mean the perforator?

[jovial wing]

I already turned on vanilla monsters

but the AI is still modified

[cosmic pagoda]

what about project brutality, supposedly a better mod to deliver same functionality

and also lacks the controversy

[finite crag]

I just saw an pain elemental for the first time

[cosmic pagoda]

gongrats, take a good look, you will absolutely despise them

[finite crag]

I alredy do

[cosmic pagoda]

best strategy is to run in and ssg em while hugging them

[finite crag]

Yeah

[cosmic pagoda]

if you can reach them, hugging them prevents them from spawning

[finite crag]

This thing is an better boss than spider mastermind

[cosmic pagoda]

masterminds can be good, when used right tho

[finite crag]

True that

I wish the arena was less empty in e3m8

[cosmic pagoda]

even the one in e3m8 is quite a bit higher if you pistol start, apparently its how sandy also designed the level

balanced around pistol starting

[finite crag]

True

At least we have e4m8

[cosmic pagoda]

the one ind plutonia map05 would be quite challenging too if you couldnt cheese her

[finite crag]

Really? Gonna check it right now

[cosmic pagoda]

map05 is such a nice map in general

[finite crag]

True

Very good exterior design

Im an sucker for outdoor doom maps

[cosmic pagoda]

peak Milo Casali

tbf there aint many bad maps in plutonia, except for map11, I despise it, not for the archviles, but because of I always get lost

[finite crag]

I remenber my first time on limbo e3m7

Almost half an hour of lookin around

[minor basin]

Just beat the final mission of No Rest For The Living in VR

[finite crag]

Horray

[minor basin]

Sucks it was only the secret mission 😭

[cosmic pagoda]

idk how people can play vr, more than a 10 minute session gives me a migraine

[finite crag]

I get motion sickness from playing normaly

Imagine vr

[minor basin]

It’s a lot to get used to

[cosmic pagoda]

dont get me wrong its cool , but my eyes and head will hurt quite a bit if I do it longer for just a bit

[finite crag]

True

[minor basin]

It took me a while to adjust

I have a headache because of all the Revenants screaming lmao

[finite crag]

For some reason doom 1993 is the only fps i played that doesent trigger motion sickness in me

[cosmic pagoda]

no camera bobbing

[finite crag]

Ohh

That explains it

[cosmic pagoda]

you can turn it off in a lot of games

[finite crag]

Only the hand bobbs

[cosmic pagoda]

I dont get motion sick, however VR means I have to focus in a weird spot somehow and that triggers a migraine if I do it for more than just a little bit

[finite crag]

True

[minor basin]

Me After Dealing With All Those Revenants:

https://tenor.com/view/akira-leave-me-alone-leave-me-alone-meme-gif-6420351794930725971

[finite crag]

XD

Thats why i have sound effects lowered

[minor basin]

I think it’s funny tbh

[finite crag]

It is

[minor basin]

I love hearing all the Revenants screaming

I put it as my text ringtone

[finite crag]

Doom can be a goofy ah game sometimes

[minor basin]

It really can be

Despite all the pain and suffering

[finite crag]

All the pain and suffering

Maybe i should try nightmare mode

Just gonna skip ultra violence

[cosmic pagoda]

revenants while loud have nothing on duke3d octobrains

a duke3d octobrain is somewhere between rock concert and jet engine in dB

[finite crag]

Wow

[cosmic pagoda]

they seem to make the build engine sound engine do weird stuff

[finite crag]

Lol

They are so loud the break the gaem

[cosmic pagoda]

https://youtu.be/uyPhQ7F-b50?t=1486

timestamped an example

[finite crag]

That would give 8yo me nightmares

Lovecraftian soundin ah ennemy

[minor basin]

I was playing mission 7 and instinctively swapped to the rocket launcher to kill a chaingunner at close range

How I Felt Afterwards:

https://tenor.com/view/doom-eternal-doom-slayer-death-the-ancient-gods2-gif-20904188

[jovial wing]

mission 7?

you mean map 7?

of what?

[minor basin]

No Rest For The Living

I think it was 7 at least

[finite crag]

XD

It do be like dat

[minor basin]

Dumbass Chaingunner blocked my only escape route

[turbid olive]

Hi

[cosmic pagoda]

the "can i use a rocket launcher in current situation" becomes muscle memory tbh

[minor basin]

Heyo

[minor basin]

In VR, I only have “next weapon” mapped to my controls

Just to keep it simple

[median dew]

You can play in VR?

[minor basin]

Yeah

GZDOOM VR

[median dew]

I gotta try that out

sounds cool asf

[minor basin]

Voxel DOOM Is Compatible

You definitely have to try it out sometime, i’m planning on beating Eviternity next

[median dew]

I def will

Have you played Doom Vfr?

[minor basin]

Nope

[minor basin]

GZDOOM VR is 10 times better

Probably

[median dew]

Bet

[minor basin]

It has mod support

[median dew]

That's awesome

[finite crag]

https://youtu.be/rLvSD5HuIcE?feature=shared

[finite crag]

This song makes me transcend reality when im playing

[minor basin]

E1M8 puts me in the feels

[finite crag]

True

[minor basin]

Me while listening to it:

https://tenor.com/view/keanu-reeves-cry-always-be-my-maybe-sad-sip-wine-sad-gif-22976719

[finite crag]

https://youtu.be/ETV9fPmieOM?feature=shared

[finite crag]

This one caught me off guard

Goofy ah song

[minor basin]

https://youtu.be/ILMtI7DmYn0?si=4WugRkwCWcsNzMlR

[cosmic pagoda]

e2m6 still best from doom1

while bobby prince can put out some metal sounding tunes, his real gems are the spooky atmospheric ones

[finite crag]

Boppin

[cosmic pagoda]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7MGbUYslrU

[polar berry]

What's the best source port for authentic doom?

[cosmic pagoda]

define authentic

what wads are you intending to play, only vanilla?

[polar berry]

pretty much

[cosmic pagoda]

for iwads, chocolate doom or crispy doom

[polar berry]

whats the difference between iwads and regular wads

[cosmic pagoda]

iwads are the officially released, or internal wads in other words

[minor basin]

I personally like GZDOOM

[cosmic pagoda]

everything else is a pwad, or patch wad

[cosmic pagoda]

gzdoom is as far as the authentic doom experience you can go

also is not demo compatible

[minor basin]

If you go to the graphic settings, you can turn it to Classic DOOM Rendering

[polar berry]

gzdoom changes a few game mechanics

[cosmic pagoda]

its the gameplay that gzdoom changes

[minor basin]

What does it change???

I never really noticed

[cosmic pagoda]

random, collisions, how some linedefs work for one

[polar berry]

Like Sigil II

[cosmic pagoda]

and it doesnt do demos

[minor basin]

Ohhh

[cosmic pagoda]

that you want crispy for

its chocolate doom with limit removing

[polar berry]

Ill try crispy

[cosmic pagoda]

and some other neat things, crispy is really lovely, as long as you dont need higher compatability levels

chocolate is made to be as vanilla as possible and crispy is a limit removing fork of that

with couple extra nice things, I love the transparent hud thing

transparent hub can be seen turned on here for example, just removes the background from the hub
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QV8GFEwqBsI

[polar berry]

I like the regular hud idk why

the face always gave more life to the game

[cosmic pagoda]

yeah you dont have to turn it off, but if you do you gain a little bit more vertical view field

ie you can see a bit more closer down

once you been staring at that face for decades you dont miss it as much

[jovial wing]

decades?

[cosmic pagoda]

well doom is now 30 years old

been playing it on and off since the 90s

[jovial wing]

oh nice

[jovial wing]

I actually prefer not seeing his face if I'm being perfectly honest

[cosmic pagoda]

initially I wished the weapon swapping was faster in doom, but I have come to the conclusion, the slow swap is superior, forces people to preplan encounters

[finite crag]

True

I usualy just stick to the shotgun and rocket launcher

[cosmic pagoda]

and also gives these "oh shi-" moments when you pop out with a rocket launcher and theres some pinkies rushing closeby

[finite crag]

Oh no

The amount of times i miscalculated the missles

[minor basin]

I love these moments

[finite crag]

XD

[cosmic pagoda]

shotgun wont always be strong enough, ssg fixes that somewhat but has a long reload, rockets are often scarce so you use them only when you can make them count(unless its plutonia or something, where you main it) - either way you need the fire rate of the plasma or even chaingun at times to deal that stunlock

[finite crag]

True

[cosmic pagoda]

say you get caught out by a few revenants, ssg gives em time to attack, but you can line em up and stunlock with chaingun

[finite crag]

True

Gotta learn some stats to git gud

I feel the moment doom clicked for me was when i turned auto run on

[cosmic pagoda]

less learn, more practise, if I havent played doom for a while, I suck at making decisions on the fly, but when I been playing recently, I can pick the right weapon much more consistently

[finite crag]

Yeah

[minor basin]

This is what I love about the first two DOOM games, the shotgun isn’t as overpowered and only works in certain situations

The modern DOOM games kind of ruined my taste for shotguns tbh

I’m more of a plasma rifle fan

[finite crag]

So ive been challenging myself without knowing?

[cosmic pagoda]

I mean doom has the perfect shotguns, ssg is god tier

well tbh blood slightly tops it

[finite crag]

Amen

[zenith berry]

and then there’s DOOM 3 :p

[cosmic pagoda]

lmao

[finite crag]

XD

[cosmic pagoda]

I liked doom3 but not the shotgun 😄

was a great year too

doom 3 and hl2

funny how now you can run doom 3 in a browser(while poorly coded javascript pages struggle)

but that doom3 demo wasm port is epic

http:// 
www.continuation-labs.com/projects/d3wasm/ 

cant post that link for some reason

but yeah its a project where they ported the whole doom 3 demo into web assembly

and it runs in a browser and quite well on any decent pc

[finite crag]

Is doom 3 moddable?

[cosmic pagoda]

yeah

[finite crag]

Wow

[cosmic pagoda]

but theres better engines to do stuff on

[finite crag]

True

[cosmic pagoda]

and it really benefits from dark room type of games, the stencil shadows shine in them for example

when an imp makes a fireball and it throws sharp realtime shadows, it still looks good nearly 20 years later

unless its the bfg edition

which is just lit up og doom 3 with plasma made slow and too much ammo everywhere

[finite crag]

Wow

Realtime shadows on a game that old?

[cosmic pagoda]

well somewhat

[finite crag]

Impressive

[cosmic pagoda]

nothing as fancy as these days, but stencil shadows look gorgeous

[finite crag]

True

[cosmic pagoda]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_volume

doom3 screenshot right there

[finite crag]

Pretty

Just wish the demon redesigns were better

[cosmic pagoda]

yeah agreed

[hard wolf]

For Doom 3?

[cosmic pagoda]

tbh they didnt get any better with 2016 or eternal

[finite crag]

Yeh

[jovial wing]

doesn't this go in #doom-3?

[finite crag]

Probly

[cosmic pagoda]

we aint swapping a channel for a brief tangent tho

makes discussion disjointed and confusing to follow

[finite crag]

indeed

[jovial wing]

oh alr