classic-doom

[hexed escarp]

i think the steam version might be able to do that, but i dont think any source ports can

[narrow condor]

This is probably what you're looking for: https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Splitscreen

[calm rivet]

Différence between mods and maps

[azure nimbus]

technically, mods refer to any 3rd party stuff you download for doom (whether it be maps or weapon/monster changes) whereas maps are the levels specifically. But, I have noticed that people who play more zdoom oriented content that changes more fundamentals of the game like brutal doom tend to say that they are playing "mods" when they play a level set and people who play more vanilla style content tend to say "mapset" when they play 3rd party levels and will sometimes say "resource pack" for 3rd party content that only changes weapons or sprites but doesn't add new levels

[calm rivet]

i see

[hexed escarp]

I find mapset really awkward to say and I wish I could call them mods but if I did that people would assume I’m talking about gzdoom gameplay mods bc people have that association

[vast reef]

bc maps usually don't really mess with game mechanics and such like what people usually expect from video game mods

like a minecraft mod and a minecraft adventure map

[hexed escarp]

Ig, but for some other games, a mod can simply be a collection of maps

[vast reef]

like mario kaizo? ppl usually consider that something of a fangame

[hexed escarp]

Or portal

[hexed escarp]

Kaizo Mario uses the term ‘romhack’ but it’s definitely not a fan game bc it’s based on the original game

[vast reef]

yeah duh

it's like a megawad for mario

but it's not really considered a mod

[hexed escarp]

It is by definition a mod, but for some reason the console modding community settled on the term romhack

[vast reef]

yeah, since you modify the game

[hexed escarp]

Idk what I’m even arguing at this point lol

[vast reef]

imo though mapsets don't really feel like mods

a minecraft adventure map isn't a mod unless you add new items, weapons, etc.

same goes for doom maps, you aren't changing anything in how the game works, just loading in different level files

[hexed escarp]

By this argument, no doom mods are mods, none of them modify the engine, they simply use the engines built in loading systems

[vast reef]

well

you change what the engine does at least

[hexed escarp]

Using this logic, only source ports are mods

[vast reef]

^^

[hexed escarp]

Maps do that too

[vast reef]

i should've just said weapons n shit instead of engine modifications lmao

[hexed escarp]

All of this is completely arbitrary anyway, it doesn’t really matter lol

[vast reef]

yup

[finite crag]

god damn why cant i open the doors in doom 1

[vast reef]

you need some keys or skulls

some doors are opened by switches

or maybe (like me) you forgot to bind the interact key

[maiden slate]

Would it be space by default ?

[azure nimbus]

sometimes it's E

[halcyon elm]

press the door open button

[finite crag]

i just found out its space

[halcyon elm]

well you figured it out! i hope you have fun playing homie 😊

[grizzled temple]

Is using a crosshair for doom 1, 2, and 64 cheating?

It automatically turned on

[halcyon elm]

It's not cheating

[vast reef]

👆

[zenith berry]

If it’s cheating then it wouldn’t have been on from the first place.

It’s a QoL feature at this point.

[vast reef]

personally i play w/o crosshair in vanilla bc it feels wrong

[zenith berry]

It’s up to you and everyone’s preferences 😄

Vanilla DOOM, by the very default, never had any crosshair anyways.

[vast reef]

yeah

i play with a crosshair in modded doom though :P

[azure nimbus]

I think the history of allowing it in speedruns was a combination of "who cares" and "we can't enforce against people making a crosshair using tape on their monitor"

[void hemlock]

fr

its also a user preference thing too

[narrow condor]

It's considered cheating in multiplayer.

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Red_dot_cheat

[vast reef]

are people even gonna use pure vanilla for multiplayer

most if not all big source ports these days have crosshair options i'm pretty sure

[narrow condor]

I think at this point people are like "it gives you so little advantage that we might as well not care".

As for single-player, I'd say fixing the blockmap bug and better collision detection are both significantly better QoL improvements, so if using crosshair is cheating, so should be using GZDoom at all.

[vast reef]

true

also high fov's gonna be illegal in speedruns in the future

[void hemlock]

yeah for example when I was playing Zandronum with my friends on stream a few days ago I used a crosshair

[finite crag]

How do I deal with the first section in Knee Deep in The Dead?

[void hemlock]

because all modern FPS games have crosshairs, so why not

[vast reef]

wdym

[finite crag]

How do I exit the first area in Knee Deep In The Dead?

[void hemlock]

do you mean E1M1?

[vast reef]

press e or space to open the door

[finite crag]

I’m on PS5

[vast reef]

don't know which button then, check binds and find a "use" or maybe "interact" key

[fierce mason]

Try x

[finite crag]

I tried

I tried every button.

My game is Buggy

[vast reef]

make sure you're touching the door

[fierce mason]

Yeah

[finite crag]

This game is a little annoying tbh

[vast reef]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/889813427034406938/1140001028083814540/D5A6P9IWkAEklzl.png

this is a door

[finite crag]

I know

And I’ve clicked on it with EVERY SINGLE BUTTON

[vast reef]

yeah it kinda was for me the first time around

[fierce mason]

Does anyone have any tips for making the "im the man!" trophy?

[vast reef]

but i was 9 so 🤷

what do you need to do to get that

[finite crag]

IM ALMOST 14

[fierce mason]

Complete the game in Less than two hours

[vast reef]

🧌

are there glitches on console? i'm assuming so

[void hemlock]

Bethesda's fault then ig

I'm not too surprised

[fierce mason]

Im gonna be onest: i dont know

[finite crag]

I’m almost 14 And Beat Doom Eternal in a days worth of time spread out through a week, without glitches! AND HERE WE ARE, A FUCKING GLITCH KEEPING ME FROM BEATING DOOM 1!!

[vast reef]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-LhTn6nXJs&list=PLaHXMRUpovnajmpue7MBbQzIGjZ-hs3-S&pp=iAQB speedrunning shit

but uh, just run past the enemies when you can is my advice

[fierce mason]

Thank you

[vast reef]

maybe look up "doom speedrun" and try copying what they do

[void hemlock]

Doom engine is the same on the Unity build's source port, so bugs and glitches from Doom 1 and 2 that were not patched also apply there

[finite crag]

I accidentally found the Super Shotgun in Doom 2 and I thought the door it was behind was a progression point

[vast reef]

yeah i thought so

unity is sort of easy mode for speedrunning though because you run fsater in unity, and therefore can do shit that isn't possible in og doom

[finite crag]

Lol

[fierce mason]

Ngl i wanna do it legit

Cuz i feel a shit When i cheat whit some unpatched glitch

[vast reef]

iwad speedruns r super technical and glitchy anyway, i think going for legit would be easier (in some parts) lol

[void hemlock]

like for example the intercept overflow

causes all monsters to turn into ghosts and allows the player to noclip

[vast reef]

been 30 years, they aren't getting patched and are considered game mechanics at this point

[fierce mason]

Lol

[stark acorn]

dear god.....

[void hemlock]

"there's more"

[grizzled temple]

I mean, mine is red when it is about to hit an enemy

its the yellow crosshair in the new version

[delicate moon]

KNEE DEEP IN THE DEAD JUST ENDS WITH YOU GETTING JUMPED!?

[ebon wraith]

Hello, I recently bought doom 1 and doom 3 and I saw that it has a local cooperative mode, how can I make it play since I tried to play with a friend and I couldn't

[grizzled temple]

Depends on if you're using a controller or not and what game it is. If it's doom 1, keyboard is automatically mapped to player one so player 2 will have to use a controller. I dont think doom 3 has multiplayer besides online which i am certain is dead. Also, when you're done with doom 1, I highly reccomend getting doom 2 as well as 64.

[void hemlock]

Yes it does

That's just how they intended the ending, nothing else

[void hemlock]

1. If you're wanting to play within ther Unity port that is sold on console/steam's release, then I'm not sure how to help you there since I don't understand it either
2. If you want to play online, download Doomseeker and Zandronum. There's several tutorials online on how to do it and use them

[unreal pike]

anyone know this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEXefdbQDjw

[void hemlock]

I have watched this already actually

Sure, anything can run Doom

BUT can we have anything PLAY Doom?

that's the true question

If we can run Doom on anything, surely we could teach stuff how to play it

not saying we should, but that's just a neat question

[stark acorn]

you get jumped because you didnt pay for the full game only got the shareware

[finite crag]

press space

[vast reef]

they're on ps5 lol

[delicate moon]

I'm on the PS4 version???

[void hemlock]

that happens on all versions

[finite crag]

damn

[vast reef]

mfw

[stark acorn]

ye but the shareware ohly had KDITD rite

[vast reef]

yeah

you get jumped at the end anyway, that's the ending lmao

[vale gyro]

If you mean by “it’s exclusive in the shareware version”, no. If you mean “the only episode it had was that”, then yes.

[stark acorn]

the latter, yes

it was the only episode

[vale kettle]

GOD DAMNIT

[calm rivet]

Living organisms: possible? Computers: no. Like the snes. How are you gonna teach that to play doom

[stark acorn]

the kid named neural networks:

[remote cedar]

AI can learn just about anything

so I wouldn't put it past AI to be able to at least beat E1M1

even with the RNG involved in the process

[calm rivet]

i mean weak computers

how can it run AI

[remote cedar]

I mean, it's obvious you're gonna need some horsepower to run AI

[modern flower]

That is some mad scientist shit right there.

[finite crag]

[zenith berry]

I know the shareware WAD is basically just episode 1, but will it run in the Unity port of DOOM?

And is it possible to put an older IWAD (e.g. v1.1 from 1993) in the re-release? I know for sure that you can put the standard IWADs that contains unaltered graphics.

[finite crag]

Uhh I think the unity port is possible by just deleting episode 2 and 3

Older iwads idk

[vale gyro]

You can’t really “delete” those episodes (or any for that matter)

So you’ll have to literally use the shareware iwad for it

[finite crag]

I mean like just going into the files and make them unaccessible

[vast reef]

lolll you don't need an advanced ai at all

did you guys forget video game bots have existed since forever

it won't be able to come up with strategies but it can dodge and shoot its way through everything

[sharp coral]

You just sparked an old memory for me. It was a bot playing through procedurally generated doom levels. I wonder if I can find it.

[vast reef]

also

doom has pseudo-rng

meaning if you provide the exact same inputs, it generates the exact same scenarios

so you can calculate what the position of every projectile and all of their damage values will be

you can pre-generate the inputs and simply run the inputs afterward, even slower, older computers should be able to handle that

[sharp coral]

https://youtu.be/l4iBBBRysIA

Here it is

[vast reef]

woahhh

thanks :o

[sharp coral]

I really really love the way it generated some of the architecture

Like the archways at 1:00 are so cool to me

Also this video is really hard to find for some reason. I only found it digging through my search history but not the actual search bar.

[finite crag]

Someone got doom running on the flash player

[vast reef]

that's easy :P

[finite crag]

Classic newgrounds

[vast reef]

emulators on flash are really common

[finite crag]

No I don't think it was an emulator

[vast reef]

dos emulators with doom on em were super common

if they straight up just made doom in flash though that's pretty cool

[finite crag]

Well you should check it out, it's on newgrounds but you will need their flash player because it's as3

[spice radish]

considering what else it’s been ported to Flash is the least surprising

[icy ocean]

ive been trying to remember what this wad i played was called

wait nvm i just remembered what it is

[split jewel]

So what was it?

[finite crag]

Damn, this old Doom games with mods are 🔥

[vast reef]

true

[heavy walrus]

https://youtube.com/shorts/qHbTB2GRK1E

[hexed escarp]

i wonder what midis are gonna be used for sigil 2

[calm rivet]

Im more thinking of ai like neural networks n stuff instead of bots

But sure

[void hemlock]

I’m wondering who the composers are, that’s my question

Maybe it could be Jimmy and Buckethead again, who knows

But all I will say is that it better fit again

[finite crag]

classic doom is peak

[hexed escarp]

its confirmed to be buckethead again and its probably jimmy again

there was a twitter exchange where john tweeted about sigil 2 and then jimmy replied "John if you need 9 new midis you know who to call" and then john replied "you know ill be calling"

[finite crag]

what happened to doom 1 and 2 on the play store?

why was it removed?

[void hemlock]

Well I just hope that they're bangers again

E5M8 was 🔥🔥🔥

In fact I'll go as to say its even better than Bobby's E3M8 "Facing the Spider" track which is a lofi midi rendition of Sargeant D and the SOD from SOD

[hexed escarp]

the E3M8 song is boring imo

[void hemlock]

yeah especially since SD/SMM is a joke

[hexed escarp]

ooh i actually kinda wonder how difficult it would be to write something like that

[hexed escarp]

whats the easiest way to beat scythe map07 from pistol start

i can kill the mancubi but i always die to the spiders

[vast reef]

yea but you don't need a neural network to play doom 💀

[vast reef]

autodoom exists already but isn't finished and has gone 3 years unupdated

[finite crag]

Well, doom was built on a raycaster and raycasters I think could be made in flash so it was easy to just clone the doom maps and add the textures and the demons, y'know?

[vast reef]

the doom engine isn't a raycaster lmfao

[finite crag]

Oh wait no it used binary space partitioning

My bad

[remote cedar]

It does feature raycasting technology though doesn't it?

[vast reef]

kinda

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Doom_rendering_engine

[finite crag]

What are the best lovecraftian inspired mods for doom

[vast reef]

strange aeons

[finite crag]

Im looking for a total conversion mod

[vast reef]

it's a partial conversion ig

[finite crag]

i found one called countrycide i think

[calm rivet]

Yeah but when im thinking ai I usually think of that not bots

[vast reef]

fair

[tranquil zephyr]

is it possible to play multiplayer in classic doom

[spice radish]

Yes

[tranquil zephyr]

how

[spice radish]

The Unity ports support local multiplayer but there are dedicated source ports such as Zandronum, Odamex (I think that’s what it’s called), and ZDaemon

Zandronum is like the GZDoom equivalent of multiplayer ports if you want good mod support that’s the port for you

[tranquil zephyr]

i mean like the multiplayer in the actual game not the mod thing

[vale gyro]

Your best bet is the Unity port with Steam Remote Play or whatnot

As the old way of doing that stuff has been long gone

As he said, Zandronum and Odamex are the ports dedicated to multiplayer

Chocolate, Crispy, and Woof all have their options as well built into their respective settings executable

[sour meadow]

My Unity port is broken! can someone help?

Whenever I try and download an addon it goes to not responding and never resolves itself

[remote cedar]

I suggest not downloading the add-ons and not using the Unity port

[sour meadow]

that's not really fixing my problem

I want to play them on the port

is the software permanently bugged?

[remote cedar]

Browse your files to get the WAD files for Doom and Doom II, download a sourceport and download the add-ons on their original version through the Doom Wiki

As for your problem I'm not sure how to fix it as I've never encountered that problem

[sour meadow]

It's weird because it wasn't always like this

[sour meadow]

also I can't find the Scientist wad

[sour meadow]

nevermind

[hexed escarp]

Define what you mean by ‘the actual game’

Like are you playing the original version of the game on a computer running Ms-dos?

If not, you are going to have to use a port of the game to windows

The ones that people listed above are common ports that support multiplayer good

[dusky sierra]

God is it weird for me to only play E1, like I very rarely progress to E2 and just start a new game and restart E1 on nightmare again.

[vast reef]

nah i've beaten e1 like 20 times now

same with doom 2 maps 1-7

[dusky sierra]

I just enjoy E1's maps the most, feels the most effort put in

I've beaten E1 46 times vanilla and WAYYY more with mods, best time was around 7 minutes on vanilla but I didn't record :\

[dusky sierra]

Yeah sameee

[azure nimbus]

Fan-made ports are more faithful to the original release than the official unity port

[tranquil zephyr]

like when i open the game there is singleplayer and multiplayer and im thinking if i can play with my friends

[vale gyro]

it’s only local co-op (with controllers btw)

so you’ll need something like Steam Remote Play to do something like multiplayer in the Unity port

otherwise, just pick up a multiplayer-orientated source port as we’ve said

also, I’m assuming you’re using the Unity port due to the fact multiplayer is on the main screen

but if you gonna use multiplayer like once in a while, Unity with Steam Remote Play or Chocolate, Crispy, and Woof

if you gonna use it a lot more often, use a source port dedicated to multiplayer (as I’ma be honest, the multiplayer in all 4 of those source ports kinda suck, and the last 3 are based on all players for performance for some odd reason, which is annoying)

[zenith berry]

The Unity port of DOOM is vanilla-only…yet people keep suggesting Bethesda to implement Brutal DOOM into the official release…

[vale gyro]

well, I guess it’s a popular mod, and people don’t always know how that stuff works

that’s my guess, pretty much

[split jewel]

Yeah basically this

[split jewel]

Technically it's limit removing

[hexed escarp]

i need to play sigil on ultra violence so that i can be done with it when sigil 2 comes out

[vast meteor]

It there anything more than the first area in map 7 in Syringe?

[spice radish]

Brutal Doom

[hexed escarp]

oman im replaying sigil and this time from pistol start and on UV and its just making me even more hype for sigil 2 than i was before

the atmosphere is SO GOOD

[vast meteor]

You can start without the pistol?

[hexed escarp]

nonono i meant playing pistol start like i started from just pistol and 50 bullets on each map instead of saving at the beginning of each map and keeping the stuff i had before

[vast meteor]

Ooooooh

[hexed escarp]

which is what i did on my first playthrough

[vast meteor]

Ok bc ive seen a lot of people talking abt pistol start and i just kept wondering how you could start without the pistol.

Thanks

[hexed escarp]

np

[hexed escarp]

what is 'speed of doom' even supposed to mean

[vast meteor]

The speed at which the Doom Slayer rips and tears through his opponents.

[narrow condor]

It was supposed to be a speedmapping megawad.

[vast meteor]

Oh

[hexed escarp]

ohhhhh is it supposed to be a play on speed of sound

im dumb

before it just seemed incoherent to me lol

[hexed escarp]

whats the best way to go about making a curved staircase in udb?

[stark acorn]

broom

[hexed escarp]

wdym

[reef wraith]

groom

[void hemlock]

loom

[civic galleon]

Doont

[chilly pebble]

boom

[halcyon willow]

if you don't care too much about precision then use the curve line tool, find the curve you like and then stair build to the desired width

[vale kettle]

i played fotsam today

absolutely despicable of whoever made it

[vast reef]

nice

[grizzled swan]

How is the quake 2 remaster?

[dusky sierra]

Zandronum > GZDoom tbh

[split geyser]

I have not played it yet but From what I heard it is really good

[zenith berry]

Plenty of QoL features, new missions, as well as an insight on Quake II’s development.

[echo hornet]

this is funny lol https://youtu.be/_pzQrK0xvaM

[dry niche]

i love quake 3 doomguy

[finite crag]

im considering spending tonight getting the I'm the man achievement in doom 1 and I'm superbad achievement in doom 2

[finite crag]

aren't they the same just zandronum's multiplayer focused?

[hexed escarp]

What are those?

[echo hornet]

for whatever reason I recorded this while playing doom 64 retribution with samsara (sorry if this is the wrong server lol) https://youtu.be/WiuuPdDnF2E

[halcyon willow]

Zandro is behind gzdoom in every conceivable way (except for netcode)

[ivory portal]

i sawed the demons is one of the best old doom songs ngl

[zenith berry]

Demons from Adrian’s Pen

[vast reef]

how lel

[trail mauve]

yo im new to doom, where could i get the og doom on pc

[vast reef]

steam, then play it with a source port like crispy doom that makes it run on modern devices but still runs like the og (steam version has differences + no pwad support)

[trail mauve]

cool

[spice radish]

Super fun. Especially the new episode

[finite crag]

Does anyone have a mod for lzdoom where you can play online? If not then that's fine

[spice radish]

A good source port with multiplayer as it’s focus would be Zandronum it’s like the GZDoom of multiplayer source ports

[formal ridge]

Oh! I didn't know this channel was here! Anyways, hello!

[finite crag]

I'm asking if someone made a mod so the ZDoom source ports can connect to online servers

[halcyon elm]

there's zandronum

it's the most used online port

[finite crag]

That's not a ZDoom port mod, it's its own port

I'll just look on tue doomworld forums to see

[vast reef]

lmaooooo that doesn't exist i'm pretty sure

simply not within gz's modding capabilities

you would need to modify the source code itself

[hexed escarp]

That doesn't exist. If you want to connect to an online server, you have to use an online multiplayer port. Zandronum is based on zdoom and supports many gzdoom features

[calm rivet]

how to get the scientiist mapack or whatever that thing is

cant find it

[hexed escarp]

?

That could be describing many things

[calm rivet]

theres a scientist

mod bethesda rereleased

[hexed escarp]

So much of doom has a scientist

[calm rivet]

for classic doom but i cant find it

[calm rivet]

expansion pack

[hexed escarp]

Yeah there are like 100 of those

Way more than that actually

[calm rivet]

bethesda rereleased one of them

like officially i think

[hexed escarp]

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Official_add-ons

Check here

[calm rivet]

i see

[hexed escarp]

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Scientist_2

This?

[calm rivet]

i dont remeber it having 2, let me check

[hexed escarp]

This is the one linked from the official add ons page

[calm rivet]

k

thanks

[finite crag]

"Built off a 2002 release called simply Scientist, which contained the first 11 maps, Scientist 2 contains those same levels plus 9 new single player levels (for a total of 20), together with 10 bonus deathmatch levels based off the single player ones."

[calm rivet]

i checked the link yeah

[finite crag]

I honestly have no idea what you said but that gave me happy brain chemicals reading it so yes

I am very small brain

[finite crag]

it's part of the wiki page

[finite crag]

ohhhhh

[tranquil zephyr]

does anyone know the name of the green alien icon on the green wall

[hexed escarp]

There are a lot of these

[tranquil zephyr]

uh in doom 1 there is a alien on a green wall whats his name?

[hexed escarp]

There are multiple of those

Describe it more

Or send a picture

[tranquil zephyr]

ok its in screenshot

[tranquil zephyr]

how many tho

[hexed escarp]

Ah that’s an archvile

It’s an enemy that shows up starting in doom 2

Idk why he’s on a wall in doom 1

[tranquil zephyr]

btw how many are those green walls icons

[hexed escarp]

There is one that’s like that but with a baron of hell head

And I think there is one with a smaller gargoyle head on green bricks

[tranquil zephyr]

whaa

what are those icons called

[hexed escarp]

I think that there is actually multiple of those

[hexed escarp]

They don’t have a specific name

[tranquil zephyr]

im doing a research on all of them

[hexed escarp]

Unless you are talking about the texture file name in which case I have no idea

Just search doom gargoyle head

[tranquil zephyr]

they clearly based on some eternal monsters example icon of sin is icon of sin and the baron of hell looking one is actually gladiator

[hexed escarp]

????? Wdym doom eternal came out 27 years later

[tranquil zephyr]

yes

and gladiator kinda looks like that one green guy

well anyways im on a research to find all monsters with the wall

[tranquil zephyr]

wait ur saying green walls are based on the doom 2 enemies

[hexed escarp]

Maybe they already had the idea for the monster or based the monster on it

[unreal pike]

anyone know this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PapdA-z4j28
sorry for Chinese

[uneven stirrup]

Hey i gonna to buy the doom classic bundle on steam and inside there is all doom until the 3 remastered and i would like to know if in upgraded versions of each game ( doom upgraded, doom 2 upgraded, doom 3 bfg) have the all DLC also in remastered or if I want to play for example to master lvl of doom 2 its necessary to play at the original version or the 2 versions are complete and this on each game ty in advance.

[narrow condor]

What's Doom Upgraded?

[zenith berry]

Unity versions.

[narrow condor]

I believe Final Doom and Master Levels were all rolled into Doom 2 on Steam.

[uneven stirrup]

No its okay in fact les dlc are outside the game so no problem

[remote cedar]

Correct. But given the quality... you're not missing much, especially regarding the Master Levels

[formal ridge]

Anyone want to play DOOM (1993) Deathmatch with me?

[azure nimbus]

ould be a baron or archvile

[flat dirge]

me when hell knight:

[spice radish]

Master Levels

[vast meteor]

Baron Of Hell

[misty loom]

just beat TNT evilution on UV difficulty

it was weirdly easier than the last time when i played on HMP, but thats probably because i knew what kind of shit it was going to toss at me this time

[hexed escarp]

Am i the only one that really hopes we get dean of doom sunder?

[vast meteor]

Does anyone know if there is a whole other secret level in M7 in Syringe?

[grizzled ingot]

Im not able to find certain weapons in the latest version of brutal doom platinum (Beta BFG, meathook, cyberdemon rocket launcher). The weapons drop, but I cant seem to use them. Is there a problem with the files or is it something else?

[fossil scaffold]

favorite doom mods anybody?

[vast reef]

death and decay

project malice

trailblazer

guncaster

[fossil scaffold]

Those are some good mods, for some reason one day project malice just decided to stop work with my computer and idk why

Personally I really like Bloom, Hard Doom, and DOOMRL Arsenal @vast reef

[vast reef]

those rock

i need to play bloom at some point, looks so good honestly

[fossil scaffold]

Its super choatic and its amazing

I would say Doom Infinite but that has horrible compatibility with other mods

[fossil scaffold]

All the monsters in game are fused with the blood enemies. The zombieman can throw dynamite and cast spells, a lot more different imps, cacodemons that can shield themselves, and there are these naked dudes with barrels strapped to them that sometimes respawn enemies for a short amount of time. I highly reccomend it

[vast reef]

sounds super sick

i also saw the levels, they were 🤌

[fossil scaffold]

Its hard but like I said, highly recommend it.

[stuck shuttle]

Outside of Doom 1 and 2, are there other commercial releases of classic Doom?

[vast reef]

final doom

[stuck shuttle]

Oh, it's where TNT: Evilution comes from

Ok, gotta do it then

[zenith berry]

Master Levels for DOOM II.

[stuck shuttle]

I was told not to play those

[vast reef]

not worth the time

[void hemlock]

No Rest for the Living

It’s rather short, but it’s a great aftermath of what happens after Doom 2

[zenith berry]

Originally an Xbox 360 exclusive and later BFG Edition, it’s now playable on current DOOM II re-release

[void hemlock]

Personally, I liked it

Secret level is kinda a pain to get through though if you find it, that’s all I’m gonna say

[zenith berry]

I wonder if HacX (1997) counts, the very last commercial DOOM engine game to be released shortly before id Software made the engine open source.

[dusky sierra]

Maybe a bit of a hot take, but I find shotgunners a bigger problem than Arch viles, especially in nightmare mode

[finite crag]

proof?

[worldly lintel]

A lot of people find that. Up close, shotgunners can do up to 45 damage in a single blast. And on nightmare going around corner without knowing whether or not a shotgunner is there is most certainly death since they will shot you immediately after waking up

[dawn valley]

fwiw I've always hated shotgunners more than chaingunners

I'll take interruptible 10 chip dmg from 1-2 bullets than 35 at medium-range in the blink of an eye

[woven folio]

Please give us a No HUD option for PC and console!

[zenith berry]

On PC you usually press the plus button to hide the HUD.

[chilly pebble]

what.

New Challenge Unlocked! Beating Doom with no HUD

[vast reef]

no-HUD runs exist

[chilly pebble]

welp, i just figured that out, gonna do it myself

does doom eternal have this feature?

[vast reef]

oh wait i forgot i was in #classic-doom

i meant doom eternal no HUD runs exist

[chilly pebble]

FUCK YEAH, IM GONNA DO THIS ON DOOM ETERNAL

[dusky sierra]

YESS FINALLY SOMEONE HAS THE SAME OPINION

I legit struggle finding another person who would find shotgunners more dangerous than chaingunners.

If a chaingunner is shooting you, just hide or kill it asap, if you know what you're doing you'll lose maybe abit of HP

Shotgunners though, you miss to kill one hiding on a corner and there goes half your HP

[vast meteor]

I can think of many demons that are more dangerous than the ex-sergeants

[vast reef]

shotgunners are assholes but i would gladly take a horde of them over a horde of chaingunners

[prime lava]

depends on situation

[slender dagger]

Is here someone who can help me with doom trophy ?

[brittle star]

What trophy

[woven folio]

I want in classic!

[hexed escarp]

What is the fewest segment run of okuplok on uv?

[drowsy crypt]

is there a remastered version of doom I?

the very first doom

[dense plinth]

I mean there's HD versions of it

[stuck shuttle]

Chaingunners are easily the most problematic enemy in the game

[dense plinth]

the Steam version comes with the Unity port of the game which offers widescreen support and a higher resolution

[drowsy crypt]

oh

ig ill try that out

[vast reef]

gzdoom

with hd sounds, shaders, etc.

then there's rtx doom

[drowsy crypt]

oh damn

soundsfun

[dusky sierra]

Idk, from experience they aren't all that bad (they could be annoying ig) but I didn't remember the last time I got killed by one.

Just hide behind a wall :\

[vast reef]

which wads

also "hide behind a wall" applies to most if not all enemies

[dusky sierra]

Pretty much

[vast reef]

chaingunners have much more potential than shotgunners in wads

but yes, shotgunners are B!TCHES

[dusky sierra]

I didn't realise your message could get blocked lol

[dusky sierra]

It depends, from experience most wads have a lot more shotgunners than chaingunners atleast for me

Not to mention chaingunners cause the most enemy infighting

Not to mention they're also fairly manageable to kill most times.

You put a chaingunner in a corner, they're gonna take health but react fast enough and its done.

Meanwhile shotgunners in nightmare shoot the moment they saw you, and have a chance to take off all that HP you have in a single shot.

Though I do agree chaingunners are a bigger problem in UV or HRP

[stuck shuttle]

The issue is that a chaingunner's accuracy and rate of fire means it can tear you apart regardless or distance, and especially close quarters where it can kill you in a matter of seconds, and it also tends to snipe you where it's hard to find cover in quite a few maps. The thing about the shotgunner is that unless it somehow manages to surprise you and land a blast in a close quarters situation, they're not much more of a threat than random zombiemen. Chaingunners are also the most resilient human-type enemies, so they will usually land shots no matter what.

In short, shotgunners are better for ambushes with monster closets in my view, while the chaingunner can be a major pest regardless of distance

[dawn valley]

I'm not seeing anything about how they're able to pop off a singular shot for 35 damage vs a poultry 3-5 from a chaingunner's bullet.

like this is all cool and all but it's different in practice.

[vast reef]

dps matters

shotgunners r only ass with fast reflexes and around corners where you don't know they're coming, or when they're placed in specific positions that make it hard to move

[dawn valley]

this isn't about one getting the drop on you or otherwise, it's about raw aggro damage output

[vast reef]

the shotgunner's purpose is a quick up-close damage burst

[dawn valley]

I'll take a singular chaingunner over a shotgunner if only by virtue that I'll at least get a reliable tool for stunlocking trash mobs out of it. shotgunners can fall into a hole and never come out.

[vast reef]

getting jumped by a shotgunner is much worse than a chaingunner

[ornate vortex]

depends on the situation

[vast reef]

monster closet

[dawn valley]

it's simple really. if I'm faced with both in any one encounter at the same time, I'll kill the shotgunner first then the chaingunner.

[ornate vortex]

well, an up close shotgunner is pretty awful

but chaingunners when either grouped up or at sniping distances

[vast reef]

up close, yes, because the shotgunner will do more damage in that timeframe

[ornate vortex]

when i mean grouped up i mean lined up, because if they were clustered then they’d just obliterate each other

[vast reef]

at more of a distance you kill the chaingunner

[dawn valley]

I'll go for the shotgunner first because it's got lower health.

and try to line up a shot so that it also hits the chaingunner.

[vast reef]

we agree on this.

we solved the argument

[dawn valley]

or you could do the opposite and have the shotgunner blast the chaingunner, at which point you oughta be able to kill them both with one trigger pull. whichever way works best.

[ornate vortex]

chaingunner would most likely win because pain chance on a shotgunner is significantly higher and chaingun fires at a faster rate

[dawn valley]

he'll turn around to target the shotgunner then.

a lot of time to prep up a shot or whip out a better gun

[ornate vortex]

it’ll give you time yes, but the time depends on the spread of the tracers

and also it depends what guns you’re using

if you have a shotgun, you could just get very close to the chaingunner and blast it, considering majority of the shots won’t miss and you’re much more likely to one shot kill it

[noble wedge]

Just started playing Scientist 2 on Unity Port, such a weird WAD

But the map design is pretty cool, and the secrets are well done. Anyone played it?

[steel lion]

I found a guy who made "flipped midi" versions of the fisrt doom soundtrack,and it's better than anyone could expect

[void hemlock]

oh yeah those cursed MIDIs

E1M9 sounds almost normal

almost

[last vessel]

I’m getting slammed on Doom 1993

I think I’m on the 3rd or 4th level

[vast reef]

what difficulty

[stuck shuttle]

Doom is always a bit hard at first. Gotta get used to hunting for those secrets

[hexed escarp]

Which would be grindier, beating doom eternal on ultra nightmare, completing a uv max run of plutonia d2all without dying or saves

[last vessel]

Hurt me plenty

[finite crag]

Ouchi ouchi

[ornate vortex]

probably doom eternal, considering i have done the other one

[hexed escarp]

To be clear with the plutonia thing I mean the whole game in one shot, not each individual level

[ornate vortex]

yh, ik

like a deathless run of the whole wad

so basically d2all

[hexed escarp]

Ah cool

How long did it take?

Like including all of the attempts

[vast reef]

THE MADMAN DID IT
https://youtu.be/4qKO_VJTL5U?si=q-qAtacEvRKtdWDo

[ornate vortex]

it took me like half a year, but i wasn’t as good at the game as I am now. I didn’t really count attempts either. tbh the first couple of levels are really the hardest ones and once you get to the secret maps, it gets a lot easier because you then have all the weapons and ammo you need

[tribal marsh]

i managed to put doom on the wii

[hexed escarp]

does having the weapons from previous maps take the difficulty out of the levels?

[finite crag]

I honestly hate E3M7

[hexed escarp]

when playing plutonia map02 from pistol start, how the fuck do you not run out of ammo when fighting the lost souls and hell knights in the hallway

[spice radish]

Same. Limbo sucks

[dawn valley]

I hate most ExM7 maps. I want to be finished with the chapter and I have to wade through this giant pitstop before I do

[finite crag]

The only ExM7 map I like is E1M7, that's it

[ornate vortex]

yeah, most levels

[void hawk]

spanish

[vast reef]

filipino

[tepid ore]

chinese

||if you get that reference, respect.||

chinese chinese chinese chinese

[tepid ore]

wait
w h a t

john romero knew that his face was in Doom? damn, my life has been a lie lol i thought it was the biggest prank of all time

"reality is disappointing sometimes"

[hexed escarp]

it was still sorta a prank

they didnt tell him that he did it, they just did it and then he found it while noclipping to test some code stuff, and so then he added the reversed sound effect without telling them and then the next day they found it and they all just decided to leave both things in the game bc its funny

[tepid ore]

that's pretty cool tbh
what's wrong with just devs having fun making a game lol :p

can never go wrong with that

[spare musk]

you're supposed to kill 131 demons in E1M5

i've killed 270 demons and i'm less than halfway through

now 446

[spice radish]

But there are only 131 demons in E1M5 total

Assuming your on UV or Nightmare

[latent canopy]

Hey, i need help

Im using lutris with zdoom and i would like to know if i can juste copy and paste the .pks file on a other doom

[vocal summit]

why would you ever do that

zdoom has linux builds

[latent canopy]

On a other computer

If I change

[vocal summit]

what

oh, you want to use this on a windows computer? you can do that if you just copy over the INI files, they're the same between platforms

[latent canopy]

No

Ive my linux computer with lutris and doom

If i want to copy my .pks save file to another linux computer

That work?

[vale gyro]

You can move save files around, yes

[latent canopy]

Tanks

Thanks*

[warped jungle]

Playing through scythe, on map 26

Ass clenched sufficiently

[celest coyote]

Doom Infinite

You've been warned

[latent canopy]

Hey ive a question, im using arch linux and ive installed Zandronum, can i play with a friend with that?

[vast reef]

yes

use doomseeker too

[latent canopy]

And ive a display problem with doomseeker, the bottom is hide

[latent canopy]

But that work perfectly

[azure nimbus]

he was smashing pumpkins into small piles of putrid debris

[stable ermine]

Hey, I’m trying to host a 8 person doom lan and a few of the people don’t have pc/laptops they can bring but I’ve got a few old chromebooks and the schools are selling more for dirt cheap. I’ve got Kali Linux installed on them (I used them as raspberry pi’s) but all of us bringing see computer have windows will I have to do much extra to get two operating systems linked on the lan?

[hexed bramble]

Tfw playing classic doom co-op solo nightmare to get an achievement

[livid cosmos]

yall got a favourite mod on the doom release on playstation/xbox?

[hexed escarp]

Don’t think so, as long as you are using the same source port you should be fine

What source port are you planning to use?

[stable ermine]

Haven’t looked that far into it yet… just saw an article saying it was harder on Linux.

Wdym source port like switch? I’m not a doom pamper just organizing it

[narrow condor]

The choice of OS should have no impact.

[vocal summit]

nope

[vocal summit]

zandronum has the best netplay, but it's not really vanilla

chocolate doom has multiplayer but i've never used it, so i can't vouch for it

[vast reef]

real chads use gzdoom for multiplayer

[vocal summit]

it's not that bad

it's usable

[vast reef]

yeah

i wonder which port has the worst mp

[hexed escarp]

Chocolate doom multiplayer works decently, it's a little big laggy but it's usable

[vocal summit]

hot take, zandronum

that might be the server's fault tho, but cannot play that shit without 200 ping and connection interrupted warnings

but i am from brazil, so it's probably just my internet's fault or something

[void hemlock]

Yeah that’s a you issue

[finite crag]

halo eternal

gross

[celest coyote]

Doom Infinite is a mod for OG doom, good stuff. Check it out sometime

[finite crag]

Ok sure

[spare harbor]

launching DOOM II (original) on steam for some reason makes my laptop's cpu melt

[finite crag]

how powerful is the cpu?

[spare harbor]

intel core i7

It opens like 5 dos windows which might be it i guess

normal doom 2 it has at the top of the list works fine

[remote cedar]

One solution you could use is downloading a sourceport and play the game that way

It's not as barebones as the DOS version and you won't destroy your processor in the process

[vast reef]

and if you use gzdoom you can play with abort_m

[ivory portal]

i swear ive seen you in the tboi server

[hexed escarp]

yeah id recommend playing on a source port

if you want one that is as close to the original executable as possible, id recommend chocolate doom

if you want chocolate doom but with double resolution, unlimited fps, and extra qol features, try crispy doom

[remote cedar]

Yeah that's where I'm the most active

[ivory portal]

ahh icic

[hexed escarp]

if you want higher resolutions than that, try dsda-doom

if you dont care about authenticity and just want as many improvements and features as possible and want to be able to play zdoom/gzdoom mods use gzdoom

all of the ones i listed except gzdoom emulate the original games behavior perfectly

[remote cedar]

One could say RNG is slightly different in Boom-based ports (including DSDA)

[hexed escarp]

if you use complevel vanilla it uses the original rng

[remote cedar]

Oh that's sick

I gotta try that

[hexed escarp]

it would be complevel 2 for doom 2 and complevel 3 for ultimate doom

complevel vanilla works in woof but idk if it works in prboom/dsda

oh and complevel 4 for final doom

[warped jungle]

Wait really? Do tnt and plutonia not have separate complevels?

[hexed escarp]

no they use the same executable

in fact its actually barely different from the doom 2 complevel

the main difference is i think there is a bug with teleporters only present in final doom

[vale gyro]

I think you’re right but I’ve never really looked into Final Doom’s engine so I can’t say for sure

[narrow condor]

It's whether exit teleporters preserve the actor's Z position.

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Final_Doom_teleporters_do_not_set_Z_coordinate

[dense plinth]

man I wish I didn't get bored of doom after like, 2 levels

having to play it in short bursts makes finishing wads take longer

[narrow condor]

I just play 1-2 maps in one sitting. Long maps take multiple sessions to finish.

[autumn galleon]

It sucks that Doom 1 and 2 on PS4, Xbox One, and Switch don't have online multiplayer/co-op.

[finite crag]

i can play a lot of short maps in 1 sitting but if it comes to really long maps like later sunder maps then i can only play 1 map in one sitting

[finite crag]

try playing on Ultra Violence if you don't already

[vale gyro]

same with me tbh, how I am with most games

[dense plinth]

I do

[violet gull]

https://youtube.com/shorts/IHBk-WVph4M?si=gvqnsdf-0sV5AMJ6

[frail sparrow]

Anybody seen the ahoy video on classic doom?

[void hemlock]

I have

[fluid estuary]

Hello

I'm making a video that has a short section on 3D graphics and I am curious about some very specific details of the DOOM engine's limitations

Is there anyone here that could confidently answer them?

most notably, if there was any sort of restriction on map size, or even if maps too large of a size would be too laggy for the hardware it was originally made for

[narrow condor]

Vanilla maps?

Vanilla maps have a lot of hard limits that limit-removing ports raise.

What you should be concerned about isn't the physical size of the map as much as the number of actors that require rendering at any given time, as well as the total number of surfaces (visplanes) the player can see at any given time.

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Visplane_overflow
BTSX uses black magic node building tricks to circumvent visplane overflow in its purely vanilla maps.

[fluid estuary]

Yes, vanilla maps

[narrow condor]

There are many other hard limits, but again, most source ports outright remove them if not raise them to reasonable levels.

[fluid estuary]

The video in particular is about the limitations of creating "long distance scenery" for old 3D games

is there any particular "hard limit" i could use as an accurate representation of the sort of max limits possible

[narrow condor]

Doom isn't smart enough to determine whether a visplane is far enough that it can get away with not rendering it.

There's an entire table of limits on DoomWiki, hold on.

[fluid estuary]

I did see those, but I couldn't particularly parse them well

[narrow condor]

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Static_limits

[fluid estuary]

or at least I wasn't confident that I could without seeming like an idiot

so you're saying that if something was too far out in the distance, it wouldn't be able to render it and, say, crash?

or am I mistaken

[narrow condor]

No no, I'm saying Doom is too stupid to use tricks like not rendering far out objects to conserve memory.

[fluid estuary]

gotcha, so if there was too much stuff on the level, it simply didnt have tricks to minimize that and so levels were limited in their total size through that

[narrow condor]

In fact, neglecting to render a any seg results in this amusing bug: https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Hall_of_mirrors_effect

Yeah, pretty much. You had to keep the number of distinct visible surfaces low on any single point the player can look from. One too many and it's a fatal crash.

[fluid estuary]

understood, thank you

[vast reef]

yeah, distance has nothing to do with it

[fluid estuary]

on a wider scale, the video is about "floating islands" in games and how their origin came from the extremely limited nature of older 3D games, forcing art designers to sort of canonize it and turn it into an aesthetic. this DOOM segment was for a sort of history section and to cover the earlier iterations of 3D and how most of the time they stuck to interiors to avoid such problems

[narrow condor]

I wonder who originally came up with the fog-of-war type of dynamic rendering.

[fluid estuary]

anyways, I do appreciate the answer

[narrow condor]

Yeah, that's a good point about interiors. It's called a corridor shooter for a reason. Maps with wide open exteriors had to use very simple geometry early on.

Like buildings that are just plain rectangles.

[fluid estuary]

Yeah, I'm liking how it's turning out so far, I just didn't wanna take a random pot shot at how it works and knew that DOOM classic players and mappers know a lot about the engine

[narrow condor]

If you're interested in an assisted deep dive into the engine's guts, there's the book Game Engine Black Book: Doom.

[fluid estuary]

I'll keep that in mind, thank you

[narrow condor]

No problem.

[vast reef]

Megasphere!

[finite crag]

me when i finish sunder map15

[void hemlock]

me when invulnerability sphere

[hexed escarp]

ive been trying to play scythe and its been super easy so far

but for some reason, im finding map07 to be really really hard

i cant figure out how to beat it. i always die to the spiders. all of the videos i see make it look so easy and say its so easy but i just cant do it. ive beaten stuff way harder than this, idk why this particular map is giving me so much trouble

[finite crag]

idk i got through it on my 1st try

[feral sierra]

here's my e1m1 cover

https://youtube.com/shorts/1dgn_Z7T6OY?feature=share

[ivory portal]

finished map 28 (doom 2), but as i got hit by an archville at the same time of going through the portal, giving me the "ouch" face

is that normal? i heard the ouch face is a bit obscure

[remote cedar]

Making some small progress on TNT Evilution

I'm on MAP15 now

I was stuck on MAP11 for a while but now it's fine

[zenith berry]

It’s fixed in most source ports, probably also in the official re-release.

[ivory portal]

it happens through taking fatal damage right?

had 154 health (was playing on itytd cuz i wanted to mess around) and when the archville hit me i had 136

that doesn't seem very fatal

[zenith berry]

It is supposed to show when you take 20 and more damage points.

[ivory portal]

18 damage points and it still showed?

i play on the ps port btw

[hexed escarp]

why does scythe have a bunch of things marked as secret that are just out in the open

[finite crag]

Somebody answer: It's Sigil canon?

Because Romero create the wad but years after leaving Id Software

[vast reef]

you decide!

[finite crag]

And Sigil continues the story right from Thy Flesh Consumed

[vast reef]

it doesn't have any overbearing effect on the rest of the lore

just like final doom

so you decide if it's canon or not, that's really all there is

[finite crag]

No, but I would like to have a well defined structure of all the cronological events of DOOM

[hexed escarp]

well then you picked the wrong franchise

you arent going to get a better answer than the one you have gotten

its truly up for you to decide

[finite crag]

Meh, I don't think so

Binding of Isaac's story is even more weird, hard and complicated to understand and build up, but even with that it's interesting to learn (in my opinion).

[zenith berry]

If Sigil is canon then should DOOM Zero.

Zero sees the Doomguy being locked in his sarcophagus.

[vast reef]

you should

doom's lore doesn't matter much and isn't expected to be that coherent

there's tons of stuff you kinda just decide for yourself

[zenith berry]

DOOM puts and prioritizes action first then lore next.

[vast reef]

the lore is fun to read through

shouldn't be taken too seriously imo esp when it's kinda cheesy at times

[ancient kelp]

https://youtu.be/Nx2k8jrCOUU?si=QxPBhfyMJcDcUHks Doom, the way it was meant to be played

kill me

[zenith berry]

Soundtrack is a banger tho

[narrow condor]

Doom's backstory is intentionally (even a bit cynically) flimsy and cheesy because they didn't want it to distract from the gameplay, much to Tom Hall's chagrin. Many of its contemporaries had similar excuse plots summarised in a single paragraph at the beginning of the game (if not the physical game manual) like "In the year 20XX, the President of the US was kidnapped by Soviet space aliens! Take your guns and make them regret it!"

[vast reef]

yup

[finite crag]

romero said that it's unofficial

[safe sierra]

thats how I play...

[safe sierra]

yea

[safe sierra]

im currently tryna beat the episode 2 boss (forgot his name) on nightmare for no reason. any tips? cause I suck at the game.

[vale gyro]

well, circle strafe

enough said, really

[void hemlock]

to beat the cyberdemon just circle strafe, yes

if it gets overwheling at time if there is lost sounds around just run away from them and shoot them and then go back to the cyberdemon

hide behind the large block columns if needed

[vast reef]

sv_fastweapons 2

sv_infiniteammo 1

[safe sierra]

without cheat codes...

btw, I actually meant the entirety of doom, but I was just stuck on the cyberdemon, so I might come back asking the same for a ccertain section of the game like the final fight in thy flesh consumed with the robospider-thing remathc (which I found was actual pain as a fight)

I did it! was kinda fun ngl. now on to inferno. Im very unfamiliar with that episode so lets see how that goes. I honestly never even circle strafed around him. only just beat him by dodging all the rockets by going left and right while spamming him with the plasma rifle.

[spice radish]

E3M7

[safe sierra]

they call E3M4 house of pain, when limbo is the true pain.

[hexed escarp]

There is a secret bfg that makes it ez

[spice radish]

This sentence entirely sums up my feelings about Limbo

[safe sierra]

What's a really good map in doom 1993 for death match? I wanna destroy some friends, just don't know which map.

Or which settings.

[remote cedar]

You might want to try a small map and I think E1M2 or E3M1 might work best

you could also just use the boss arena maps like E1M8 or E2M8

generally speaking I find Doom II maps better suited for Deathmatch

because at least Doom II has Entryway which is a great map for Deathmatch

[safe sierra]

OK thx. I'll try em out.

[lilac cedar]

I have a VTech Kidibuzz from when I was a kid. Can it run Doom?

Just asking.

[hexed escarp]

I mean, probably

I doubt there is a port existing already

But one could be made

Depends on the specs

[livid cosmos]

guys i'm tryna clear e2m9 (secret level) by getting the barons to shoot at each other as i circlestrafe, but none have died and i've spent like 30 getting them to land at least 200 hits by now.

is it possible to kill a baron with another baron's hits at all?

btw i selected the level, so my pistol ammo isn't enough

[high sentinel]

I think so idk tho

[finite crag]

i'm sorry to inform that demons with the same type of projectile cannot harm each other
looks like you'll have to find another way to combat those barons

[hexed escarp]

Make the barons fight the cacodemons in the other room, enemies cannot damage others of the same type unless they are hitscan (zombieman, shotgunner, chaingunner, mastermind)

[livid cosmos]

ok yeah i just got em to kill all the cacodemons, and 2 barons are dead

[hexed escarp]

Also lost souls can fight each other for some reason

[livid cosmos]

fuuuuuck

[livid cosmos]

ok, thanks for the info

might not be possible, gotta circlestrafe and land punches in a 1v2 while theyre firing projectiles... 😔

LETSGOOOO I GOT ONE DOWN

ONE TO GOOOOO

[finite crag]

WOOOOOOO!

[livid cosmos]

i'm on 29% health

[finite crag]

uh oh

[livid cosmos]

ok so i finished the level, just didn't kill the last baron 😅

[bleak epoch]

i just learned how to use GZdoom

its time to play the H

[remote cedar]

man TNT sucks it's crazy

[tulip garnet]

Doom Zero’s really good!

I love how certain levels push the engine in creative ways, like that one level where you essentially have to play a mini stealth game

[ornate vortex]

Been doing attempts for Scythe Map 30 (Fire and Ice), on approximately 100 now

Aiming to get like sub 20 ig, not anything too specific

But I also listened to the sf2012 soundtrack, and god damn there were a ton of really good midis in there

[narrow condor]

I was going to say that's masochistic but you've been through even more painful challenges.

So, good luck.

[bleak epoch]

Hey does somebody knows how to do glory kills in brutal doom?

[ornate vortex]

You talking about Comatose?

[narrow condor]

Not just that but yeah.

[hidden eagle]

hellow

[echo hornet]

very normal https://youtu.be/CzHfvlb3Z8U?si=57WqiZIsP9To7JQV

[warped jungle]

Beat scythe last night!

Ultra-violence

With generous amounts of save scumming in episode 3 + i cheated through map28 but who cares

Maps 26 and 30 are masterpieces

Will play scythe 2 eventually but I'm in no rush

[narrow condor]

Congrats!

[sick mist]

lol

[vale gyro]

Lmao

[narrow condor]

He's got a point. I don't understand people playing wads (that implement multiple difficulty levels) on UV and complaining they're too hard.

I almost always play on UV but there are wads/maps I won't attempt above HMP because I know my limits and don't find grinding/practising all that enjoyable.

[halcyon willow]

dario is a legend

[spice radish]

I like to think he’s responsible for some of the dick enemy placement in Half-Life 1

[hexed escarp]

why did i just get ghost pinged

[lilac cedar]

I GOT DOOM RUNNING ON A KIDIBUZZ

not really though

#screenshots message

i did get it on the device but it crashes when i open it

@hexed escarp

[hexed escarp]

oh epic!

[lilac cedar]

baby doom boutta be real

[hexed escarp]

how?

[lilac cedar]

i installed a apk because it runs android

[hexed escarp]

oh it runs android

[lilac cedar]

but it has very shitty storage

[hexed escarp]

what was the crash msg

[lilac cedar]

no crash message

[hexed escarp]

sad

[lilac cedar]

i can record what happens

#screenshots message
@hexed escarp

[hexed escarp]

huh

[hexed escarp]

are there any wads similar to the first two episodes of scythe?

like small speedy maps?

that arent too hard

[hexed escarp]

episode 2 was my favorite

[azure nimbus]

scythe2? s2 also starts off easy but has a more reasonable difficulty curve imo.

[shrewd crow]

There's a scythe?

[azure nimbus]

It's a custom mapset

[shrewd crow]

Ah I see

[halcyon saffron]

New to the older game. I played 2016 a little but only recently actually gained interest in classic and 2. Is there a way to play the game without it being locked to horizontal camera? I watched the video today on the custom map My House and noticed the guy playing could look up and down

[shrewd crow]

Nope

Just side to side

If something is below or above and you fire it'll hit. It looks janky but it's functional

Just make sure it's aligned

[halcyon saffron]

Nah he 100% looked down.

https://youtu.be/5wAo54DHDY0?si=NhyXP3Wj9uEQS3na 10:42 time stamp

[shrewd crow]

It's a custom map, it might be modded

It says mod, I think he coded the game to look up and down

[halcyon saffron]

It is a modded/ custom map. Just didn’t know if that was possible or not.

Been playing it on my switch. Classic that is. Much more fun than playing with one form of direction input. I played originally on gameboy and walking while aiming with the same D Pad was a huge deterrent. Being able to aim and move separately is a game changer

[shrewd crow]

I played on my xbox

Eternal takes hella storage though

[zenith berry]

GZDoom does allow you to freelook unlike most other source ports.

[halcyon saffron]

First time hearing about it

[zenith berry]

Not just in any mod, but when you’re playing the original games too.

You can even commit heresy.

And by heresy I mean, jumping and crouching.

[halcyon saffron]

Ooo. Lots of crouching over your victims presumably

[shrewd crow]

WHAT

Nah that ain't even doom classic anymore

Anyway

I need to watch a playthrough of classic doom bc the game on Xbox S doesn't give any kind of story. It just plops you in. I need some lore for understanding Eternal

[hazy orbit]

Y'know this reminds me of a story

[shrewd crow]

Candy cadet?

[hazy orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/keiji-midori-yttd-fnaf-gif-23193123

[shrewd crow]

Ong

[zenith berry]

Classic DOOM doesn’t really have a significant story.

The only stories are told through the “text screens” shown at the end of each episode.

[shrewd crow]

Right, but it does say something about how he got there, right?

And why he's there?

[shrewd crow]

Right. Thats what i mean

I wanna see if the guy was actually going insane in the og games or if that's something they added in eternal

[zenith berry]

The aftermath of DOOM 64 tells something related to it.

[shrewd crow]

I didn't know Doom had a 64 bit game until joining this server

[zenith berry]

It’s named 64 also because it was originally released for the Nintendo 64.

Not a port, it’s actually its own game

[shrewd crow]

Wasn't the Nintendo 64 meant to run 64 bit games?

[zenith berry]

It is indeed a 64-bit console.

[hexed escarp]

Actually most N64 games were 32 bit bc it used less memory

And the 64 in the name is referring to the 64mb maximum game size rather than the bit architecture

[sick mist]

It is! The N64 had a 64-bit NEC VR4300 CPU with a whopping 93.75 MHz clockspeed :D
Combined with a 64-bit "Reality Coprocessor"

So glad i grew up with a N64 as my main console

Still hopes for a Official N64 Mini Console

[finite crag]

What kind of maps should I play Demonsteele in?

Because I tried Slaughtermaps-

Worst decision ever.

[radiant yoke]

probably not, nes classic and snes classic released on 2016 and 2017, by 2018 or smth, we shouldve gotten the n64, but nope and since we got the n64 on nso, we probably wont get that

[azure nimbus]

Yes. Many source ports provide freelook options. However, I suggest giving horizontal camera a try. GZdoom, DSDA, both support varrying degrees of freelook

[spice radish]

Doom 64 outright confirms Doomguy has Hell PTSD and was going slightly insane

Dudes been through a lot I’m surprised he didn’t immediately snap sooner

[shrewd crow]

I see

[shrewd crow]

"slightly"
Bro only knows three words, Rip and Tear

[finite crag]

I love killing SS soldiers in Doom 2

[hazy orbit]

Don't forget about "huge guts"

[ionic swallow]

Commander keen/Billy Blaze is the slayers dad btw

[finite crag]

Ooooh

[vast reef]

no lmao

grandfather

[stark acorn]

the idea of doomguy and slayer being the same mf doesnt sit right with me still

[void hemlock]

Just alternate realities

Or is it connected

Idk, I can’t properly tell if Doom 64 connects to Doom 2016

I don’t know who to get info for that anymore

[past island]

Im fairly certain its confirmed via the flashbacks in eternal

cos he has the classic helmet in them and keeps talking about "huge guts" like he did in that 90s comic that was set during classic doom

It also lines up with him staying in hell at the end of doom 64 then the earliest we hear about him in the newer games he was already in hell slaying away with the sentinels before he gets trapped in the crypt from the start of doom 2016

[stark acorn]

there's a bunch of doom rooms in 2016

ive found the one with the barrels and pinkies

[void hemlock]

I should probably mute this channel to prevent 2016 and Eternal spoilers from myself

[azure nimbus]

spoilers like you fight demons

[vale gyro]

Bro why the major plot spoiler man?!

[trim marlin]

Who thinks that Doom ps1 is the Best version?

[trim marlin]

Well if no one , for me its very special

[trim marlin]

The soundtrack , visuales , controls

A truly descend to hell

[sterile flint]

[zenith berry]

It’s a proof on how different lighting, sounds and music can change the atmosphere.

Perhaps the best addition from the PlayStation version of DOOM is colored lighting.

[finite crag]

why do people hate on the unity version of doom?

[trim marlin]

i dont know , for me its just works

[trim marlin]

yep , a mind massacre experience , on toxin refinery music hits so hard that i cried

damn boy

very good version , changing topic , do you guys think that seargent mk 4 found or is founding redemption?

I believe on second oportunities

I was like edgy months ago and almost on ban situation on my highscool , but a teacher gave me a second chance

[calm rivet]

prob because of the early versions

It had drm n stuff so the doom community dint like it

rn its not actually bad its a cool source port

but before it had some glitches, DRM and other stuff

[zenith berry]

Would be cool to see Nightdive remastering the PSX version.

After all, they have brought DOOM 64, Quake and Quake II 64 into their freshly refreshed forms.

[finite crag]

For me it is the same

[narrow condor]

I don't think people hate the current Unity port. But it's not very flexible, that's for sure.

[sick mist]

It runs the game on modern systems. If you need more just download another sourceport

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[vast reef]

UV+ being UV-Fast and not solonet/coop monsters as traditionally defined

automatic SR50 and SR50 on turns

not worth complaining about other than that it creates a rift between console and PC speedrunning, and not an interesting one like titanfall, because console speedrunning lets you do impossible inputs that makes normally godly times trivial

[vale gyro]

I hate the Unity Port just because it makes SR50 apparently easier and well, the weapon wheel or however you would call it that pops up

[balmy mason]

guys, i'm trying to play doom multiplayer, any good ways of doing it without leaking my ip? because for example i can literally see my ip on zandronum/zdaemon

[remote cedar]

I don't think there's a way to properly avoid that

[balmy mason]

seriously? damn

[boreal lodge]

Is this a good one

[balmy mason]

and what about odamex? any multiplayer source port i find windows tags it as dangerous

[zenith berry]

Probably false positive by Windows Defender

[vale gyro]

Unless it’s not from the official download page, it’s 100% a false positive

[balmy mason]

mmmm alr thanks

[spice radish]

Found this original box for Doom II at a museum today

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/926326228280025098/1150272041933623296/IMG_8769.jpg

[finite crag]

If I say that Tricks and Traps from DOOM 2 is a fun level, am I considered insane?

[trim marlin]

Damn i wish there were that kind of museums where i come from

(No Patrick la frikiplaza Its not a museum)

[trim marlin]

Nah relax

[vast reef]

it doesn't make it easier, it literally just does it

[vast reef]

allfearthesentinel.net

[finite crag]

What's your favorite Doom episode/entry?

[spice radish]

Episode 2, like the whole Hell mixed with tech base stuff. Episode 3 has to many hit or miss levels for me

[finite crag]

For me, Episode 1 just hits the spot.

[vale gyro]

That’s hard for me, honestly

I’d say ANYTHING but E4 from UDoom

[trim marlin]

Me too

[ornate vortex]

250 attempts into fire and ice uv max

I got a close attempt

died to getting blocked by another monster and shelled by a cyber

[karmic basalt]

https://youtu.be/3lA-v1wpF5g?si=t3iT5IxelwaKaf2E

[finite crag]

When you update Doom 1 on android

[vast reef]

plutonia

[near crypt]

Anyone got some wads I should play (I'm using Zdoom)

[south dragon]

running late 2...

[near crypt]

That's the name?

[south dragon]

ummm yesss

[near crypt]

Aight I'll check it out

Idk if I loaded it correctly

It just opened doom 2 with no sky box

[south dragon]

did you select the correct wad before launching?

[near crypt]

Yeah I loaded it with doom 2

The site said it was doom 2

Tried it again and it didn't load

Wait do I need something called "BOOM" to run it

[spice radish]

Are you using ZDL?

[near crypt]

I just found out what I was doing wrong and now I feel really stupid

I was dragging doom 2 and the wad into Zdoom at the same time

I had like three mods that weren't working because of my stupidity

[spice radish]

I felt this one

[near crypt]

I'm very new to Zdoom and source ports in general

[remote cedar]

It's not stupid, there are sourceports like DSDA-DOOM that make you do that

[ruby crater]

Lillith.pk3

But on a more serious note, play Scythe 1 and 2. Those are great

[ruby crater]

Hell Revealed 1 and 2 are also classics everyone should play at least once. Along with Alien Vendetta

[royal heron]

oh god HR

[hexed escarp]

Or you just use the command line like a normal person

[remote cedar]

Don't care lmao

[tropic peak]

Good game for 1993

[manic valley]

im tryna remember that level its been a while

hm

yes and no

[near crypt]

Anyone know why Zdoom doesn't have audio

"starting midi playback failed"

[manic valley]

sorry no

well i dont

[near crypt]

Damn

Haven't been able to hear anything since I played freedoom

[shrewd crow]

what exactly is this?

it looks like Doom Eternal rendered on a 32 or 64 bit platform

[cold gust]

I sure love GZDoom

it's better than the steam version and Dos

but I wanna change the ost

from the midi to the one in the steam release

[remote cedar]

Since you're using GZDoom you can probably make a mod that does just that

I don't see why you would trust the music in the Steam release though

since it made weird changes to some tracks

absolutely butchered Kitchen Ace (And Taking Names) which is my all-time favorite