classic-doom

[hexed escarp]

Yeah it’s in a stupid place named a stupid thing

[remote cedar]

It's not even named as a wad file that's mid

[atomic dust]

Dead Simple was so good that Plutonia and Doom 64 had levels based off it

and both of them of course are harder than the og

[remote cedar]

Introducing: Annihilated Simple

[finite crag]

Dead Simple is an iconic level, but it's gimmick is done to death

my current wad will have a dead simple replacement level

but my future wads won't

[worldly crow]

hey yall im trying to play sigil through zdl but it doesnt let me
it asks for a wad to launch it but if i do the normal drag and drop method i can play it
whats up w that

[junior karma]

tricks and traps still the GOAT

[azure nimbus]

you need doom.wad in the iwad section and sigil in the pwad section. Then load up either e3 or e4 depending on whether you're running the compat version

[worldly crow]

hey thanks that did it

[dapper flint]

Sad that Heartland runs like dog shit on the new pc. Lazy ass eternity devs

[azure nimbus]

Surprised it runs worse on better hardware. All this port stuff, all these wads, it's all people going above and beyond. They're doing things that they are not responsible for. Dsda could drop it's updates right now and they wouldn't be lazy for it.

[dapper flint]

At first I thought it was open gl and amd issue but nope. Wolf new order and old blood are both open gl only. So it's just some magic jank I can't figure out. Meanwhile I'm playing lullaby at 90 fps

[finite crag]

i played sigil's e5m5

it's the first map in sigil that gave me some trouble

[hexed escarp]

im playing go 2 it for the first time

which way should i go first, there are so many different paths at the start

ok i delt with the opening mancubus room

[azure nimbus]

there's quite a bit of freedom in how you do it. Personally, I like to clear out as much as I can before stepping into the e1m1 hallway(that triggers pain elementals near the mancs). I like to do mancs, then the archviles in the e1m1 final room then the pains, then tackle outside. But it's really up to you. As many of the oldschool slaughtermaps, you can do it in a lot of ways. oops, meant map01 of doom2, not e1m1

[atomic dust]

true

the level seems to be easy to replicate, so it's not surprising it has millions of knockoffs

I would like seeing some Tricks and Traps style levels too

[finite crag]

go 2 it isn't based off e1m1

it's based off map01 of doom 2

[dapper flint]

It's based of a slaughter map they had created earlier

[finite crag]

i wouldn't say that

[dapper flint]

I would because they have haha

[finite crag]

then they based off go 2 it from a slaughtermap they created earlier which was based off doom 2's map01

[dapper flint]

I straight up asked dario and that's what he said

[finite crag]

it's hard to believe that they didn't base it off of map01 of doom 2, because the first hallway and the second room is just a copy of entryway's hallway and exit room with different textures

or i could say it's an expanded version of entryway

[dapper flint]

Makes sense they would use aspects to troll. But that's as far as inspiration goes.

If you want to check out the inspiration map for go2it. It's called punisher.wad

[finite crag]

i think i'll start playing sigil's e5m6

i know that the end's cyberdemon maze is hard

[atomic dust]

I should continue playing TNT

last time I played it I reached the first secret level

lost the save file though

[azure nimbus]

it literally is. https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Punisher They're two slaughtermaps based off of map01's geometry(thats where there are the two nonsense secret sectors), but punisher was first

[finite crag]

OH

sry

[azure nimbus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRS2Wrp6Dl0

[finite crag]

i finished sigil's e5m6

it's very haunting or smth like that

i don't really like those dark areas because i can't see nothing even on gamma level 4

that cyberdemon maze is very easy though if you find the teleporter to the ribbed walls' roofs

overall: haunting and weird map

not too hard

[ancient marsh]

hi! someone can recommend me some Doom wads? I already have finished Nostalgia and Revolution and i would like to know some wads like these others.

[finite crag]

plutonia 3

[dapper flint]

Check out caco award years try things out

[remote cedar]

Some of the expansions you can download with the Steam release of Doom / Doom II

which includes Sigil, for example

[finite crag]

dimensions, very easy wad, it teaches you how to deal with bigger amount of enemies 👍

jk jk

[finite crag]

I liked doom zero personally
Idk people's opinions on that one tho lol
It was packed in to unity port so I found it that way

To be fair I don't play too many wads ig

[dapper flint]

A bit to puzzle heavy for my taste

[ornate vortex]

Syringe and Arrival are my recommendations for a traditional experience

even if they're on the short side

[ancient marsh]

be sure that i will play it

[finite crag]

i just joked

dimensions is one of the hardest wads

[ornate vortex]

Dimensions sent a somewhat experienced player like me down a pit of fire

It's brutal even for the best doom players out there

[finite crag]

map03 is nasty

[ornate vortex]

I agree, all the fights are rough, but the secret fight at the end was straight up awesome

having to dodge cyberdemon rockets through a shit ton of cacodemon corpses was a huge adrenaline rush

[jade furnace]

Hi

[finite crag]

i once played dimensions

HMP, UV is too hard for my skill level

[azure nimbus]

If you're trying to improve your skill longterm, I think you'll get more out of playing maps slightly above your skill level without saves (or reasonably few saves for really long levels) than attempting something like dimensions.

[finite crag]

i play all the other wads on UV, pistol start, with just a few saves

for short levels i used to not save

[ornate vortex]

That's why I did Crumpets UV-Max, it's definitely above my skill level

[finite crag]

i meant that dimensions on UV is above my skill level

not the base UV

[ornate vortex]

I'm planning on starting Scythe II in the distant future once i've completed all the maps i've started (along with others like Ancient Aliens, Heartland and the E1 speedrun)

[finite crag]

oh scythe 2

[ornate vortex]

and by that I mean max speedrunning it

[finite crag]

it's definitely a thing

[finite crag]

i dunno if you're heard about map23

[ornate vortex]

I know the wad quite well

[finite crag]

i completed map23 not long ago (UV-Max, pistol start) died like 30 times

[ornate vortex]

I plan on speedrunning maps 01-20 in episodes

so like with maps 01-05, i'll do a speedrun of episode 1

since it'll ultimately save time and space

and then once I get to episode 5 (where it gets real), i'll go back to single map maxes

[finite crag]

and i needed to type IDFA once because i was out of ammo even when i watched Vytaan's practice run before

[ornate vortex]

It's going to be a challenge for me, since Scythe II is definitely way above my skill level as of now

[finite crag]

from map23 is tedious even for speedrunning

[ornate vortex]

In terms of speedrunning, i'd say i'm roughly about "middle ground"

but speedrunning changes the difficulty of wads

[azure nimbus]

You're capable of playing crumpets uvmax. You've been around for a while, seem to know about the game, and even did comatose

[finite crag]

it was terrible for me when i first got to map23

[azure nimbus]

Though I know you like speedrunning which makes everything 10 times harder lol

[ornate vortex]

Comatose was an awful idea that somehow ended up working

[finite crag]

you know, map22 was very easy and forgiving, and the whipflash from 22 to 23 was a horrible experience

from 94 monsters to 514

from 2 deaths to 37

[ornate vortex]

You're right tho, i've definitely improved in terms of skill when it comes to speedrunning

[finite crag]

from no rage to desk slamming

[ornate vortex]

Like comparing my first speedruns to my runs now, they're vastly different

[ancient marsh]

oh well

[ornate vortex]

Eh, there have been some maps that have broken me

[finite crag]

if you want to torture yourself you can play dimensions

[ornate vortex]

Uv-Maxing Comatose is an example of one

It made me lose my sanity

[finite crag]

i'm not a fan of raging too much, and if i'm raging i usually grab my face

or if i'm really raging i slam my desk only once

[ornate vortex]

Doing this in under 30 minutes literally requires you to memorise the map fully

[finite crag]

i don't want to be a speedrunner

[ornate vortex]

Because if you mess up even in the slightest, the run is most definitely lost

Like if you miss one enemy, good luck finding them

[ornate vortex]

It does change the whole dynamic a bit tbf

Like playing Rush casually is a cakewalk compared to speedrunning it

[finite crag]

i plan to be a tyson master

[ornate vortex]

UV-Max Speedrunning Rush is hard as hell

The third ever map I did a run of was rush map 2, and that took me like a month to beat (and the run was legitimately awful)

7 minutes compared to the possible 4 minutes I was aiming for 💀

[finite crag]

i saw your video about speedrunning YUM maps 1-8 i saw that map02 or 3 took lke 300 attempts

i was like wtf

[ornate vortex]

YUM was surprisingly hard

speedrunning or not, doesn't make much of a difference

but it did vastly improve my skills

[ornate vortex]

And map08 took like 500 attempts

[finite crag]

i think i'll try to speedrun my slaughtermap

[ornate vortex]

but that's because I accidentally died at the platforming bit 5 times

5 times

[finite crag]

i wouldn't have the patience to try that amount of times

dimensions map03 took me 152 attempts and that was enough for me

[ornate vortex]

Rush map 11 was the most attempts i've done in any speedrun

which was about 1.3k attempts

[finite crag]

holy smokes

[ornate vortex]

that start, is pure rng

[finite crag]

even if i want i couldn't try that many times

[ornate vortex]

i'm currently on crumpets map 4 and i'm about 400 attempts in

I'm very nearly finished tho

I reckon I could get a sub 2:50

and then call it there

then I can finally start attempts for rush map 12 (which is an absolute behemoth of a map)

[finite crag]

at the moment i'm trying to speedrun my slaughtermap-ish map

already died 5 times

[ornate vortex]

yep, that's what it's like

Your folder then gets filled with demos

[finite crag]

the map is short but wide open and the hitscan and cyberdemon and other demons snipe you from everywhere

and the music i put in keeps you on your toes (sigil's e5m2 midi music)

[ornate vortex]

sounds pretty interesting

I ended up choosing a better midi than banshee boardwalk for Skinwalker

[finite crag]

my god that section behind the yellow door cracks me up

[ornate vortex]

I thought instead a midi rendition of the distortion world from pokemon platinum would work so much better scenery wise

it's way more eerie

[finite crag]

problem with non-midi music is that i think only gzdoom supports non-midi music

i hate the section behind the yellow door

out of 11 failed demos at least 5 of them is me dying there

i have to lure them out

othervise i can't go through it

almost got it but i got blocked by the mancubus

I GOT KILLED BY A ZOMBIEMAN

god

[vale gyro]

damn

that zombieman had his lucky day

[finite crag]

there were 8 revenants in front of me and he shooted me from the back and i didn't notice him

[distant edge]

hello i am trying to make a doom map but i dont know to to make doors

[remote cedar]

I remember finding a very short tutorial for doors in Doom Builder

[distant edge]

do you know were

[remote cedar]

I'm trying to find the video

Features an angry person but it's a very fast tutorial https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syIDpalKzeQ

[distant edge]

ok thx

[finite crag]

i was so close to the end

[hexed escarp]

i have a question regarding doom on dosbox and ive asked it here multiple times but never gotten an answer, do you guys know somewhere that i could ask where its more likely that there is someone who has an answer?
the question is how do i get sfx in dosbox doom to not sound like garbage

[finite crag]

i'm very tired of trying but i don't give up

[finite crag]

dunno

[distant edge]

why no source port ?

[finite crag]

@ornate vortex #screenshots FINALLY DOOOONEEEE

i didn't name the map yet

76 DEATHS

76

i'm gonna sleep like a baby tonight

[hexed escarp]

i play on source ports sometimes, but other times i want the authentic dos experience

[dapper flint]

[hexed escarp]

see this is waht i was talking about here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYOV1ZpUozo

for some reason anybody who even simply suggests that it would be cool to have a remake of the original doom gets attacked by community members

[finite crag]

we have remake already

vavoom 3d models

[hexed escarp]

thats not really what i mean by a remake tho

[azure nimbus]

what is this video about? I don't even see a doom remake. I only clicked through it and didn't watch the whole thing

LIke...what is "the" doom remake that the video is supposedly about

[hexed escarp]

he starts by talking about how he suggested the idea of a doom remake on twitter, and then got a wall of hate comments, then he talks about what a potential doom remake would be like. The title and thumbnail are def a bit clickbaity tho since he is speaking only hypothetically

[azure nimbus]

Ok so it's entirely clickbait then. The title is about something that doesn't exist.

[hexed escarp]

the title and thumbnail are clickbait but the video itself is not

[azure nimbus]

I'm not sure what that means. The video can't "bait clicks." If you're on the video, you clicked already.

"Half Life 3 is awful". Maybe I should upload that tomorrow.

[hexed escarp]

what i was trying to say is just bc the title and thumbnail are clickbait doesnt mean you should discount the whole video

[azure nimbus]

Have a couple thousand people look at what this new halflife game is that they've been waiting for only to realize that the video is about how the video is about a tweet I made. It's not a great show of honesty. He had that doom iceberg video a while back that was full of made up stuff or overhyped irrelevant rumors -- idk, whatever the case with Midnight. I think a lot of his content is clickbaity and overly speculative -- I do agree that a doom remake would be a bad idea.

[hexed escarp]

his video wasnt making the point that it would be a bad idea

[finite crag]

how would you really remake it though

[azure nimbus]

So he wants a remake. We have dozens and dozens of ports. We're good.

[finite crag]

if they ever make a remake it's going to be 100gb

[hexed escarp]

remake the levels with props and models for the level geometry, someone made one in the doom 3 engine that i thought was pretty awesome but smthn with even more modern graphics would be cool imo

[finite crag]

but how would everything stay the same

[hexed escarp]

i understand that most people dont really care about the graphics of doom but i think it would be cool

[finite crag]

like then you'd need freelook and jumping and then

that'd mean levels would have to be updated

and is gameplay going to resemble the original or

[azure nimbus]

play voxel if you want that, or gz.

[hexed escarp]

i just say it would be a cool thing to exist and then im immediately hit by a wall of specific questions about how it would work

[finite crag]

Good

[hexed escarp]

jeez chill out guys

[azure nimbus]

We have a good game already. You play dosbox even. You know that the engine is good. It makes for good combat. I'd rather new players not be directed to some "enhanced physics version" with monster over monster effects, freelook, and models instead of sprites as the definitive version

[finite crag]

I mean personal attacks aren’t cool but I think it’s an awful idea tbh

[hexed escarp]

im not saying it would be the new definitive version, i just think it would be cool

portal rtx came out and it didnt become the new definitive version of the game

and its still a cool thing to exist

[finite crag]

Doom already got a soft reboot/remake with 2016 anyhow. Don’t see the point in remaking 1 when there’s already an equivalent.

[azure nimbus]

If there's an official remake -- that will be the version most people see. Most people play unity because that's what's on steam and console

[hexed escarp]

its not an equivalent tho, the gameplay style is completely different

[finite crag]

doesn't unity only have 5 saves

And yes I’m aware they’re very different games but a remake is going to fundamentally change the gameplay to appeal to modern audiences

[hexed escarp]

this is a waste of time, i think its a cool idea, everyone else hates it, im done with this, cya

[finite crag]

Ok lmao

What’s up with people putting their ideas out there, getting feedback, and then getting mad about what others have to say

[dapper flint]

Midnight brought this up too and Twitter and discord servers ripped him a new butthole. The general consensus is if you want a new styled old doom play nu doom

[hexed escarp]

well i think simply bringing it up doesnt deserve the reaction that it gets

[azure nimbus]

I think it deserves a more negative reaction 😎

[finite crag]

I think a better and more reasonable take is wanting NuDoom to approach level design and resources more like the classics

I don’t really believe that myself but it’s a take I can understand at least

[hexed escarp]

i think it shouldnt be considered "unreasonable" to just wish that something exists if its not replacing anything else

[dapper flint]

A more refined classic mode in nu doom maybe? That would be neat

[hexed escarp]

yeah if we got mapping tools in doom eternal or whatever the next game would be i think a remake of doom1 in that would be awesome

[dapper flint]

Pls to mapping tools can't say it enough

[finite crag]

Well sadly in reality products take time, effort, and money to produce and there’s only so much to go around. I don’t care if fans decide to create a remake but Id should stay far away from that blackhole of creativity and just make more quality doom sequels.

[hexed escarp]

yeah mapping tools would be so so so so awesome

[hexed escarp]

if i had the modeling talent, i would

but unfortunately, i do not

[finite crag]

Doom eternal not having snapmap or mod support is a tragedy

[hexed escarp]

yeah, i think we were gonna get it but then covid fucked everything up

[finite crag]

I understand snapmap but why not mod support? It’s not rocket science.

Just really odd

[hexed escarp]

i guess i understand where you guys are coming from with this

but a fanmade remake whose models dont look really bad would be cool, altho that will probably never happen

[azure nimbus]

play voxel doom then with that raytracing thing and hires texture pack or whatever

play with the enhanced sound pack and a sprite pack to remove the brown pixel on the ssg. The resources exist for this in the right way: as a thing you can add if you want, rather than the official way to play

[dapper flint]

You have to remember these are aesthetics alot of people love and it's definitely making a come back in recent years. From side scroll platformers or fps games like dusk prodeus. People seem to forget this

[junior karma]

nah it's because they wanted more story in a classic game, when the defining feature of classic games is their lack of story

it's arguably the main reason people prefer classic / retro games, since virtually every modern game has tons of story to go through (they're basically interactive movies)

[finite crag]

Doom remake but it’s 60% slowly walking around while characters dump exposition

[junior karma]

precisely, hard pass on that

[finite crag]

GoW Ragnarok moment

[dapper flint]

Hated new God of War unfortunately

[azure nimbus]

doom 2016 does have some cutscenes, DE has almost none after the beginning. But classic is 100 % gameplay. Try playing batman or gta. How much of that is cutscenes? like half?

[hexed escarp]

im just saying, you guys arent going to convince me, i am going to continue to think that its a cool idea

[junior karma]

the new doom games are basically that though to some degree, they have much more story than the classic one

[dapper flint]

We re not trying to convince just letting you know there's a better chance a donkey becomes a unicorn

[hexed escarp]

ok

[dapper flint]

Not trying to be mean but I just don't see it ever happening

[hexed escarp]

Yeah

If we get modding tools in whatever the next doom game is I bet someone will do it maybe

[vast reef]

https://www.moddb.com/mods/unfamiliar-trilogy

[hexed escarp]

Oh that looks cool! Thank you for bringing that to my attention

[vast reef]

just play that if you want remade levels

maybe doom 2 redux as well

kdizd too

play them with some other mods like hd sounds, smooth doom, etc. then turn on some fancy graphics in gzdoom or use reshade

bam, you've got what you wanted

[hexed escarp]

Sorta, although it would be less polished than a proper remake, but its the best we have currently ig

[vast reef]

i haven't played these wads in a while but i found them pretty polished

[hexed escarp]

Anyway, fully done with this conversation

[edgy drum]

I'm posting links too fast!

Gonna post this here and in the speedrunning channel, hopefully that's okay:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-LhTn6nXJs

[ornate vortex]

Crumpets Map 4 is very likely to come out today after being on and off doom speedrunning

I might even get to finish map 5 too (since I find that pretty easy compared to map 4)

[atomic dust]

TNT is actually quite fun tbh

never gets old killing all those Zombies

[finite crag]

only problem with TNT are those very long levels

Mill, Baron's Den, and Mount Pain are confusing and long

MAP20 is somekind inbetween

Plutonia solved this problem with creating punchy maps

short but somewhat hard maps

[atomic dust]

Plutonia’s maps sure are hard, but it’s a lot of fun killing all those demons

[finite crag]

plutonia's maps aren't incredibly hard, but they are much harder than TNT

and they are short

[atomic dust]

obviously

[finite crag]

When TNT is good, it has some of the best maps in commercial doom

only shitty levels are MAP22 and 25

[atomic dust]

Plutonia almost feels like slaughter maps at times

[finite crag]

Go 2 It

[atomic dust]

yep

[finite crag]

TNT's best maps are one of the best in commercial doom

[finite crag]

ohh, go 2 it is child's play compared to other slaughtermaps i've been through

[atomic dust]

but Stronghold is so confusing and frustrating

[finite crag]

that level is doom 1 episode 1 turned up to 11

It's a techbase with tight corridors filled with hitscan

there are 297 enemies in that map

30 of them are imps

the rest is just hitscan

[atomic dust]

wow

Stronghold has the biggest amount of enemies in any official Classic Doom level I think

[finite crag]

no

it's Mount Pain

Mount Pain has 332 enemies on UV

[atomic dust]

amazing

[finite crag]

have you played hard wads?

pwads

because i've played many and i've seen much higher enemy counts than 332

like i saw several thousand in dimensions

or even in scythe 2 from map23

map22 has 94 enemies, and in map23 it jumps to 514

[atomic dust]

I definitely should play custom maps

[finite crag]

scythe 2 map24 has 651 enemies

[vast reef]

you definitely should

[finite crag]

when i first played a map that had 300 or more enemies i was like HOLY COW THAT'S A LOT

now when i see that it's 200-400: "just 250 enemies?"

[atomic dust]

wouldn’t be surprised if there’s any map packs that are considered better than the official Classic Doom games

[finite crag]

there is

[vast reef]

quite a few

[finite crag]

a lot

scythe 2, valiant, sunlust, swtw, dimensions

and much more

[vast reef]

quite a few means a large amount

[finite crag]

i know

[vast reef]

btsx?

[finite crag]

i didnt play it yet

[remote cedar]

man I'm really struggling to launch DSDA

[vast reef]

really? i found it quite user-friendly

what r u struggling with @remote cedar

[finite crag]

problem with dsda is all of the textures which are a bit far are very pixelated and it irritates me

thats why i use prboom

[remote cedar]

Upon launching I get this textbox:

Ah dammit no embeds

it says IdentifyVersion: IWAD not found

Am I supposed to copy and paste my vanilla wads somewhere?

[vast reef]

i put them in the dsda doom directory

[remote cedar]

I don't have that in my archive

Oh wait no hold on

you mean the directory where the EXE file is?

the EXE for DSDA

[vast reef]

yes

[remote cedar]

Ok I got it thanks

question though:

for Doom 2's master levels, I have separate wads thanks to the Steam release

might be one per map right there

are the Master Levels and No Rest For The Living the same?

because I might as well just play No Rest For The Living for convenience sake

[vast reef]

no (afaik)

[azure nimbus]

the MLs are some random maps Id bought in the 90s(they're kinda bad). No Rest for The Living is a set made by Nerve software who's worked with Id for some time. These levels are good. Either way, you would probably want to play no rest for the living and skip the master levels

[remote cedar]

I plan to play everything I bought / downloaded

I'm not skipping anything even if the Master Levels are of subpar quality

and yes, I will play TNT Evilution

[azure nimbus]

Doom has 30 years of player made content that is far far superior than the MLs and you physically cannot play all of it. At some point, you need to spend your time wisely. I'd recommend playing stuff that's more fun and better made than poorly made deathmatch levels sold to ID as singleplayer levels in the 90s

[remote cedar]

Listen

I know Doom has more to offer than the Master Levels

WAY MORE to offer

[azure nimbus]

as long as the MLs being goofy don't turn you away from the rest of the content, whatever

[remote cedar]

I have all of the expansions that you can download with the Steam release

and of course I'm no fool. I won't play them with the Steam release, only GZDoom

I will still play everything I bought for

[azure nimbus]

why gz instead of dsda?

DSDA tends to run better and has more faithful(100 % faithful) physics whereas gz makes some changes under the hood. I'll usually use dsda for vanilla stuff, and gz if I need the advanced features

[remote cedar]

Some of those add-ons just need GZDoom

so I say it's better to just play GZDoom for all add-ons / mods

[azure nimbus]

which official addons require gz?

[remote cedar]

and I will use DSDA for vanilla stuff + TNT/Plutonia/Master Levels

[remote cedar]

I don't really have all the names but Harmony is one for example

there are a few others who do need GZDoom I just don't remember which ones

[azure nimbus]

that might be the only one. I forgot about harmony being originally zdoom. If you rip the file directly from steam, it'll be the vanilla version though. Downloading it from doomworld, it'll be zdoom

[ornate vortex]

Got another 2:55 on crumpets map 4 all because I failed the platform to the bfg secret

I'm definitely very close now

[remote cedar]

I found a way to compile all of the Master Levels for Doom 2 in one PWAD

apparently the PSN version of those are organized in a single campaign

[finite crag]

i finished it right now

and named the maps in mapinfo and dehacked

attached them with the midi pack

and i created the titlepatch for them in doom writer

[dapper flint]

Gz runs infinitely better than any other port with a solid rig. Makes sense to use others if you want a vanilla experience or have a poop top but that's it

Excited to test out lzdoom though

[ornate vortex]

Done with Crumpets Map 4

Got a 2:41 and i think it'll take it

I strained my wrist though 😭

[dapper flint]

Rest! Well deserved

[ornate vortex]

Yeah, on that note I think i'll call it a day with speedrunning

I should really use my arm instead of my wrist for the motion

[finite crag]

gz is very poorly optimized

[dapper flint]

Not for me and others I know that use it often. Vulkan support is fantastic

[finite crag]

boom ports 4ever

[dapper flint]

Use prboom+?

[finite crag]

or dsda but prboom is much better for me because the textures aren't ugly and pixelated like in dsda

[vast reef]

yes, but it runs badly relative to games like ultrakill or dusk, when in theory doom should be less taxing to run

[dapper flint]

Well I generally only use it outside of dsda now when playing exclusive maps and mods so taxing should be expected

When I'm using it I'm doing 100fov with 144fps smooth as butter. So its definitely a pc issue. And my pc is mid at best

[vast reef]

yes, it's a PC issue, but why do other games with seemingly fancier graphics run better

by that i mean the levels and models have more detail

[dapper flint]

I've had issue with new games that don't have vulkan support ( on amd) open gl only games have tons of issues for me

[vast reef]

vulkan support is good with gz though, i agree

besides, i get good fps in gzdoom anyway because i play on low res

[hexed escarp]

how TF are you supposed to know what to do at the start of scythe 2 map03

[finite crag]

wait i kind of forgot that one

i forgot almost all maps of the first 2 episodes

except map08

lol i randomly pressed a wall and it was the door that opened up xd

[hexed escarp]

i had to look up a tutorial

[finite crag]

in map03

[finite crag]

i pressed a random wall and it was the door

[hexed escarp]

they should have at least misaligned that walls texture or made it a different texture

[finite crag]

right off the bat i randomly pressed the wall and got it

[hexed escarp]

huh

[finite crag]

i noticed

it's slightly misaligned

[hexed escarp]

oh huh it didnt look like it

[finite crag]

if you look closer you see

[hexed escarp]

either way it should have been more clear

[finite crag]

you just started scythe 2?

[hexed escarp]

yeah

[finite crag]

can i send you a friend request?

[hexed escarp]

sure ig

i wish whacked4 supported mbf21

it would save me a lot of time

[ornate vortex]

I did some practice for crumpets map 5 but not attempts since my wrist needs to heal

not gonna lie, the map is actually really easy

the only thing really that i kinda have trouble with is the part where you get the bfg and you have to deal with an arch vile and a cyber

you can’t really get consistent with it so i’m just really hoping I get lucky for when I actually run the map

[finite crag]

i finshed scythe 2 map24
it was much, much easier than map23

[finite crag]

you broke it or what?

[rotund dew]

finished sunder map 32

holy hell that last fight

now onto map 16 which people say it's another tough nut to crack

[finite crag]

map16 and 19 are the toughest maps of sunder

but map16 is just brutal

map19 is more manageable

map20 is hard too, but not as much as map19

so map16 is the toughest

[finite crag]

why did erik alm leave the doom scene

i'm almost at the end of scythe 2( 5 more maps left) and i really like his style

i hope he will come back in the future

because if insane_gazebo did i think he will as well

[tacit remnant]

IIRC he became a doctor and presumably doesn’t have time anymore

[ancient aurora]

I'm playing Doom 2 on Xbox while on Doom Eternal any tips

[ornate vortex]

No, I think I just strained a muscle in my wrist

it's all good tho

[fleet anvil]

bruh i cant even beat map 1 on of plutonia

[finite crag]

it depends on how you've experienced in doom

for me, plutonia map01 was a cakewalk

[fleet anvil]

and i personaaly dont want to play map 11

[finite crag]

it has just 18 archviles

no big deal

you have cover

and an ssg

and more than 3 archviles won't come at you at once

[fleet anvil]

i dont like the bunny music thats all.

[finite crag]

then play with the midi pack

i play plutonia with that

it makes it 10x times better

[fleet anvil]

i dont think ps4s have midi

[finite crag]

oh ps4

don't know if you can play with the midi pack on ps4

[fleet anvil]

ok im trying on no too rough this time instead of ultra violence

[ruby crater]

We all go at our own pace, no shame in whatever difficulty you choose

[trim pine]

black people

[fleet anvil]

i feel slightly better about myself now

[finite crag]

tf dude

[fresh magnet]

.....?

[finite crag]

guys, can you give me some advice of what theme should my map have?

just don't say cave map because i made one already

[narrow condor]

Factory

Or something similarly industrial like a refinery.

[finite crag]

can be good with metal textures

for my previous wad i wanted to make an oil refinery map

[tacit remnant]

Lagoon map. A bit trickier but would be pretty neat

[finite crag]

what's lagoon

?

[tacit remnant]

Saltwater shallows.

Kind of like a saltwater lake but connected to the ocean

[finite crag]

so you're saying a beach and lake map

i can make it with egypt textures

[tacit remnant]

Yeah kinda.

[narrow condor]

Oh yeah, something similar to Overboard's island maps maybe.

[finite crag]

each type would be good because i haven't made a factory or a beach map before

and i have the textures to make one of them

or i make one type for one map

[glossy lagoon]

I'm currently playing through MAP 06: The Crusher in DOOM 2 in Ultraviolence mode.

Why is a Spiderdemon there?

🥹

[narrow condor]

||For you to crush||, of course!

[ornate vortex]

I've now reached the second (and much harder) half of Crumpets

Maps 2-5 were pretty easy but i've heard maps 6-9 are somewhat brutal

[finite crag]

the map is called the crusher

[rotund dew]

before starting sunder I played map 19 until after the staircase fight, with revenants on the bottom, hell knights on top, and arachnotrons on the sides. Then I just went for the wad from the start.

[finite crag]

if you play it right off the bat it's sure tedious

but after map01-18 you are warmed up to it

[rotund dew]

I can beat map 32 saveless. And I still suck in tougher content, I need to savescum a bit mid-fight.

I improved a lot in crowd control but I aint no zero master or decino that can single segment these maps.

I still have a hard time with hordes of revenants (those homing missiles holy hell)

[finite crag]

i think i'll (re)play go 2 it

i'll see how i will manage it

[rotund dew]

and sometimes struggle with monster herding and putting the flock in where you want.

[finite crag]

with saves of course

[rotund dew]

the hardest bit of go2it for me are the close quarter cybies. one bad step and its facerocket time

[glossy lagoon]

Wait, there is actually a crusher in that level?

[finite crag]

yeah

if you press a switch

[rotund dew]

the mastermind is in the crusher guarding a plasma. you activate it with the switch at the bottom of the elevator

[spice radish]

Pretty sure if you take the elevator down there’s a switch to turn the crusher on to your right. Also there’s a Plasma Rifle behind the Mastermind

Pretty worth it

[finite crag]

i finished go 2 it

it wasn't that hard

but i almost didn't find cells nowhere

so i had to rely on rockets

[azure nimbus]

consider the map name. Then look around

[inner pond]

i like this video game

[narrow condor]

Me too.

[fleet hearth]

Doom can run on anything

Except a web browser

[inner pond]

cap, you can run it on a web browser

theres many emulator websites fo it

and even a chocolate doom port on the web

just search up "doom online browser"

[fleet hearth]

it’s a joke

that most browser games run terribly

[narrow condor]

Not like Doom runs buttery smooth on most of the platforms it was ported to. ;-P

[finite crag]

Does snes doom not let you move and turn at the same time or is it just my binds being broken

[hexed escarp]

does plutonia 2 do the thing that plutonia did where it uses damaging floor textures that arent actually damaging?

also, gameplay wise, should i expect just more plutonia but larger scale, or is it a bit of a different styel

[narrow condor]

I think that's up to the individual mapper, since Plutonia 2 is a community project.

[dapper flint]

It's new maps new challenges with a plutonia aesthetics and enemy usage

[narrow condor]

It appears a teaser for Plutonia 3 dropped last month: https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/105326-plutonia-3-boom-compatible-megawad-mini-teaser-release/?page=4&tab=comments#comment-2622803

[hexed escarp]

wait people are making an actual plut 3?

thats awesome

[narrow condor]

Yeah, it's been in development for many years by now. PRCP2 is actually a compilation of Plutonia 3 rejects.

And I can honestly say that PRCP2 is fairly good.

[hexed escarp]

interesting that they are using boom

[narrow condor]

I wonder why. Maybe for scripting? Or for six-key doors.

[hexed escarp]

probably for scripting

[narrow condor]

Apparently this teaser only includes the maps that are going to end up on the bonus slots (M33 and M34) anyway, so I don't suppose it's going to resemble the final version of the main maps all that much.

[dense plinth]

There's a plut 3 that already exists, although it's not that good apparently

[hexed escarp]

when is this supposed to release?

[dense plinth]

The level design is described as amaturish according to the doom wiki

[narrow condor]

When it's done™ ;-P

Yeah, that Plutonia 3 is considered illegitimate, if that makes sense. It's just that some kid decided to make a sequel to Plutonia 2 (which is a community project) entirely by themself.

[dense plinth]

There's also plutonia 4 and plutonia 7, both of which are meme wads

[narrow condor]

They were made to make fun of the kid, which I think is a bit cruel.

We could expect to see a genuine Plutonia 4 in the distant future as well.

[finite crag]

plutonia 7 was uhhhh
uhhhhh
i liked it lmao

[hexed escarp]

in go 2 it, how the hell do you beat the courtyard fight with the archies and cybers

[finite crag]

well you go 2 it ig

can't beat it if you're not there

[hexed escarp]

i cant beat if it i am there either

[dense plinth]

You die

[royal heron]

Regular plutonia?

[dense plinth]

Over and over and over again

[royal heron]

For me I just remain patient and wait for everything to infight, then where there's only a few archies and cybers left, I go in with the BFG

[hexed escarp]

yeah

[hexed escarp]

but wont the archies just keep reviving stuff?

[dense plinth]

man source ports confuse tf out of me

I can barely see the difference between some of them

[finite crag]

vavoom is the best one trust me

[azure nimbus]

the modern standard mapping formats are ultimate doom, doom2, boom, mbf, mbf21, eternity engine, and zdoom and gzdoom. Along with fancy udmf stuff which you don't need to worry about. DSDA supports everything except eternity and zdoom, and gzdoom. So if a wad sayd "boom compat" at the top, you can put it in DSDA at -complevel 9. If you're playing something for eternity or zdoom(or a variant of it, or gz), it'll say up front what to use as well. So most of the time, you're fine using dsda or gzdoom. Doomwiki or the doomworld post tell you what standard a wad is in

[dense plinth]

that's not what I meant

I have no problem setting source ports up, that's the easy bit

the hard part is discerning how tf they differ from each other

[vast reef]

feature set

compare crispy doom to gzdoom

massive difference

[dense plinth]

yeah that one's obvious

[vast reef]

compare prboom+ and dsda doom

dsda doom simply has more speedrunning features

dsda also has some little issues here and there

[vast reef]

like this

[dense plinth]

mhm, but like why are there multiple zdoom's? how do LZDoom and QZDoom differ from GZDoom

[vast reef]

lzdoom is gzdoom but it runs on dogshit computers

[dense plinth]

right, but then there are some mods that work better on it compared to gzdoom, well at least that appears to be the case for project alaln

[vast reef]

qzdoom is just experimental gzdoom

according to the doomwiki

[vast reef]

wdym by "work better" btw

performance? i think that's to be expected because lzdoom is low-end gz

[dense plinth]

well when I tried project alaln for instance in gzdoom, the lighting was fucked and some area's were absolutely pitch black

but on LZDoom it was different and I could actually see stuff

[vast reef]

did you read the moddb page

"(tested on lzdoom 3.88b so this port is recommended)"

[dense plinth]

I did, they tested it on LZDoom which is why I tried using it

but what confuses me is why that makes a difference

[vast reef]

because lz and gz have inherent differences

[dense plinth]

if LZDoom is just a derivitive of GZDoom

I guess it's less source ports confuse me, and it's mainly GZDoom that confuses me

[vast reef]

it's a derivative of an older version of gzdoom

it's based on 3.3, which is why it's different because current gzdoom is on 4.10 already

[royal heron]

They sometimes kill some archies in the crossfire, leaving fewer than before

[dense plinth]

I still can't figure out the best settings to play mods with in gz

like visually

[hexed escarp]

i jusjt had an interesting idea for a map gimmick that i might try to make a map with at some point

[royal heron]

But inevitably some will remain, I just wait until there are enough that I can handle

Then I just blast everything with the bfg

[vast reef]

that's subjective

unless you're going for performance

just lower your resolution, turn off mipmap and anisotropic filtering (and any post-processing options you have on), and you're good to go

[dense plinth]

I saved a .ini file which has all the settings made to emulate classic doom as closely as possible

as closely as gzdoom can get that is

but sometimes mods just, break

[hexed escarp]

basically, you have a map that takes place in a factory, and you have fights on giant conveyor belts where you have to fight stuff while avoiding crushers on the conveyor belt

basically the droid factory scene in star wars: attack of the clones

[vast reef]

it should only break on software rendering

[hexed escarp]

but in doom

[dense plinth]

I usually run software rendering

on the classic settings

[vast reef]

that's it then

quite a few mods break with software rendering

[dense plinth]

huh, I see

[dapper flint]

Yeah it'll mess things up wash out colors

[dense plinth]

I also wish GZDoom didn't save everything to a .ini file in my mygames folder

couple versions ago it didn't do that, and I could have 2 seperate GZDoom's with different settings that I could just switch to in zdl

but now I can't because they all go to the same .ini file

I get that it's so you don't have to redo all your settings when you download a new version

[hexed escarp]

am i the only one where, the idea of playing doom is better than actually playing doom?

[dense plinth]

Na I'm kinda like that as well

I look at a bunch of mods, wads and whatnot and think "oh that looks cool"

But never really play them

[hexed escarp]

A similar thing happens to me with mapping

I have a cool idea, but when I try to actually make it I run out of steam really quickly or it looks really bad

[dapper flint]

A break can help with that

[split jewel]

https://youtu.be/FuudN21snf0

[gusty falcon]

Well in my playthough of ancient aliens its gone from thrilling carefully designed encounters from to what I can only describe as bullshit very quickly in just a few maps later because if there little tiny teleporting enemies that shoot arachno plasma that i can't track no matter how many times i fight them

[dense plinth]

with zdl, does it load mods from the bottom first? or from the top first

I always thought it loaded from the top first but it seems to prioritise those on the bottom

[gusty falcon]

It loads from the top to the bottom and the ones that change the same thing will be prioritized if they're at the bottom

[dense plinth]

ahh, that makes more sense

[gusty falcon]

If you've ever modded a game like skyrim it's the same rules as that

[gusty falcon]

I don't think I've ever encountered a custom enemy that's genuinely made me rage this much before now

[atomic dust]

probably THE most well-known Plutonia map

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJec3o3VhfQ

I wouldn't be surprised if there's ripoffs of it, sometimes with other enemies too

[ornate vortex]

Today is the day I start Rush map 12 attempts. I scrapped the initial 65 because I wasn't fully practiced with the map yet, but now i'm certain i'm ready. Wish me the best of luck because the map doesn't fuck around

[finite crag]

so

about the last 3 maps of scythe 2's episode 5

[narrow condor]

I feel that way for maps I'm interested in seeing but have no interest in playing. Incidentally, decino released a playthrough of Grove yesterday.

[finite crag]

map23 is an andrenaline rush from start to finish

and the starting area is the worst

the rest of the map is not the hardest

map24 is very good, it's much easier than map23, the pressure is low between fights

map25 is much harder than the previous two

especially that watery courtyard where the yellow door is next to

at least it's not too long

these 3 maps are hard but not too long fortunately

[restive inlet]

Look in artwork please

I made a trex head

[dapper flint]

Snoot

[remote cedar]

Ok so I reloaded a save on DSDA and I basically lost all progress on my inventory. Anybody knows why that happens?

if that matters, I saved on E1M9 of Doom 1

[finite crag]

tf how the fuck could that happen

[remote cedar]

idk

I remember very clearly that I had everything I could get on E1M1, E1M2 and E1M3

which means I had at least a shotgun and rocket launcher

and they're simply gone upon reloading the save

[finite crag]

E1M5 is the first level which gives you a rl

[remote cedar]

Well I had at least a shotgun

that I don't have here

[azure nimbus]

no it's not. e1m3 has a rocket launcher within a secret. https://youtu.be/boXSIaiVgVo?t=272 https://doomwiki.org/wiki/E1M3:_Toxin_Refinery_(Doom).

#classic-doom message also, woof and updated dsda supports tracker music.

@remote cedar there are times where I've felt like I had that issue -- but it was when I recently switched to dsda. I haven't had that in a long time. My best advice is to make sure that you hear the click when you save the game and that you always load the same pwads and iwad because dsda separates saves based on which thing you're playing

[remote cedar]

Yeah I've tried it again by playing E3M1 then saving on E3M2 and I still had my inventory for some reason

I guess it's just a one-time thing. Hopefully it doesn't happen again

[inner pond]

i just beaten knee deep in the dead on nightmare for the first time, lesss gooooooooo

[azure nimbus]

some of the hardest in doom1

[royal heron]

Esp e1m3

Stuff's brutal

[rotund dew]

e1 is the hardest overall

[remote cedar]

E1M3 on Nightmare goes crazy

the sheer amount of shotgunners is actually insane

[rotund dew]

e1m3 in nightmare is too much for me

let alone maps like e4m1 or e4m6

[remote cedar]

I haven't played Thy Flesh Consumed yet

all I heard was it was probably the hardest episode out there

[hexed escarp]

Sigil is probably harder if you consider that an episode

I wonder what the difficulty of e6 will be like

[remote cedar]

Sigil 2, you mean?

Probably not as hard as Plutonia

[hexed escarp]

Yeah probably

Also sigil 2 is gonna have a wonky aesthetic

I tuned in to one of romeros mapping streams at one point, and I saw an area where the walls were that red rock texture used often in sigil 1, the floor was nukage, and the sky was this dark blue

Like not a normal sky blue

[remote cedar]

wtf

that's a weird choice of colors imo

[hexed escarp]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832501492992573480/1072294183232081950/image.png

This is a screenshot I took

[narrow condor]

RGB fruit salad

[remote cedar]

Oddly enough that works

[hexed escarp]

Lol yeah

I can’t wait to see what jimmy cooks up for this

[royal heron]

Ye

[royal heron]

Having a general strategy helps

And also good rng lol

This all just reminds me that I need to redo my e1m3 nm100s run

4:33 is a pretty long time

[hexed escarp]

Is it officially confirmed that he is doing it?

[royal heron]

Oh wait not sure actually then

[hexed escarp]

we do have this twitter exchange between the two in the replies to a tweet that john made announcing his mapping streams
Jimmy: Sup John, if you need 9 new midis you know who to call
John: You know I'll be callin'!

[royal heron]

I just assumed since you said you couldn't wait what jimmy would make for sigil 2 that he was automatically doing the soundtrack for it

[royal heron]

Interesting

[hexed escarp]

So technically not fully confirmed but likely

Also interesting how he said ‘9 new midis’ implying that they would all be original music

Whereas last time all of them were just existing midis from jimmys library except the title and intermission

[narrow condor]

That's how you know he's a gamedev professional. ;-P

[dapper flint]

Hope it has co op monsters

[narrow condor]

The first one does, right?

[azure nimbus]

yes

[dense plinth]

Does OpenGL ES come auto installed in lzdoom or do I need to add it myself?

[dense plinth]

I've got a list of instructions for a mod and it says to make sure to install Gles 3.2

[finite crag]

If I may ask, how do you find LZDoom?

[remote cedar]

on the zdoom.org downloads page

[zenith berry]

https://twitter.com/angry_facts/status/1655318711631331331?s=20
DOOM engine content creation never sleeps

• Angry Birds Facts • (@angry_facts)

Fact #3007: A new Sonic Robo Blast 2 mod featuring Ross (Pig) from Bad Piggies has now been released by @ChargingTurnip today. It adapts Bad Piggies' gameplay style into a 3D Sonic game built off DOOM.

Likes

816

Retweets

183

Twitter · May 7, 2023, 9:08 PM

[dense plinth]

robo blast 2 may as well be its own game just built in id tech 1

[finite crag]

From what I've played
Yeah

[long sedge]

yeah its a tc

which is kind of an understatement actually

[finite crag]

Sgt Mark did a great job on that. Dialed to 11 with the gore

[ornate vortex]

I'm finding rush map 12 really difficult compared to any runs i've done in the past

[tacit remnant]

Just looked up SRB2, and yeah, calling that a Doom mod undersells the work that clearly went into it. It’s absolutely its own thing just using heavily modified IdTech 1

[ornate vortex]

It's to the point in practice i've had to split the fights into small fractions, like the first section of the map is in 4 save files

This is legitimately putting my skills and patience to the test

There's just specific fights I really need to work on since they're so hard to the point I struggle to clear them constantly

[zenith berry]

The same definition of “heavily modified” as on how Destiny 2 uses the Halo engine (the Tiger engine was built upon it), and CoD using the Quake 3 engine.

[dense plinth]

na

heavily modified means it's still classified as the same engine, but very different

whereas those cases, yeah they're built off of other engines but they've been rebranded as a new one because of how different they are

a good example of a heavily modified engine would be Titanfall and Apex

those games run on the source engine, although it's been heavily modified, but not to the point where it's a brand new engine or at least Respawn hasn't bothered to give it a new name other than the source engine

[vast reef]

oh my god this looks awesome

[thick dagger]

soo the latest update of gzdoom screwed up my saves by adopting a (much worse) method of using special folders for all my wads

does anybody know if there's any way of reverting it?

[zenith berry]

Now I know DOOM 2016/DOOM 4 had been in development long before the Brutal Doom mod came about, but I wonder if the devs also used BD as one of the sources of inspiration later during development...

[finite crag]

Classic doom

why are some doom mods so fucked up bruh

[vast reef]

that's the internet for you

[finite crag]

the problem with bd or pb is that you get bored of it after 1 hour

[vast reef]

^

[finite crag]

True

Or I did the torture known as realism mode

I couldn't even beat episode 4 it was just too like
Too hard for me

Or impossible cause they wake up instantly and cause too much damage

So you did in like 1 sec

[tacit remnant]

Brutal Doom looks ugly to me. The added blood effects and such are in a different art style (and a separate animation layer) from the original gore and it’s very jarring.

[finite crag]

Idk why all these mods add gore

I don't really care about gore it doesn't make it more cool or scary it's just harder to see

[junior karma]

people think it looks cool to see more blood splatter, though I agree it gets old /annoying pretty quickly

probably inspired by mortal kombat

[finite crag]

But it's just blood

Even doom eternal has these overly Gorey things and other things like the flesh walls or whatever which just
They just look bad

What

[vast reef]

blood (1997) is awesome, i agree

[finite crag]

What about rise of the tr-

[finite crag]

what about duke nuk-

Duke nukem doesn't have Havana smooth 0/10

[vast reef]

duck nuckem

[finite crag]

d@ck cumem

[vast reef]

real

[finite crag]

dunno if swearing is allowed in this server, i read the rules but it doesn't say basically that swearing isn't/is allowed

[vast reef]

lemme try

[finite crag]

I've never played duke Nukem

[vast reef]

dick

[finite crag]

i mean

you can write like "fuck"

[vast reef]

ok dick has 2.7k results in search, it's allowed

[finite crag]

and fuck has 62 401

okay it's allowed

[finite crag]

but i think you can't swear too much

[vast reef]

ig

[finite crag]

Isn't 3dge supposed to add those like
Other games non-doom

[tacit remnant]

Doom 1 and 2 also do the gore stuff with the demon death animations and the Hell flesh wall textures. I don’t see the point of adding more to it though

[dapper flint]

There's some mods that do it well though Nash gore all the way down

[narrow condor]

Nightdive got sold to Atari: https://twitter.com/NightdiveStudio/status/1655640448684392448

Nightdive Studios (@NightdiveStudio)

"@Atari is on the rise, and we wanted to be part of that."

https://t.co/P62twFIaOV

Twitter · May 8, 2023, 6:26 PM

[split jewel]

Quite late

[narrow condor]

I haven't seen anyone else mention it here.

[dapper flint]

Damn not sure if that's good news

[narrow condor]

Atari hasn't been doing very well lately (which is why the 'on the rise' comment is rather confusing to me), so I'm a tad worried.

I just checked and all they've done since they came out of bankruptcy a decade ago (besides releasing Atari VCS, which was crowdfunded and considered a financial failure) has been investing in hotels, casinos and cryptocurrencies: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari#Atari_SA_(2001–present)

So yeah, it doesn't bode well.

[silent remnant]

I don't expect good things to happen and I'm kinda pissed they sold.

[forest zodiac]

current Atari is just a bunch of French dudes who own Atari Inc.'s back catalogue save for small stuff like Battlezone

Atari Inc. died in 1984 when they split into Atari Corporation and Atari Games

Corporation's assets were eventually acquired by Hasbro and turned into Hasbro Interactive, then Infogrames acquired Hasbro Interactive

Games (who also had the home publishing label Tengen) was eventually purchased by Midway and Midway was in turn eventually purchased by Warner Bros.

Infogrames then became the current Atari, Atari SA

[silent remnant]

of course it's fucking Hasbro

[forest zodiac]

nah, Hasbro barely had a hand in it aside from doing Hasbro Interactive

Namco actually had a small stake in Games at first

[silent remnant]

ah

[forest zodiac]

Games is the one that did PaperBoy, Marble Madness, and Gauntlet

Corporation retained all of Inc.'s stuff up to that point, Games had none of it

IIRC the Tengen label was established because Games was only allowed to use the Atari name for arcade stuff

[finite crag]

wait tengen wasn't cause of the stupid nintendo stuff?

[forest zodiac]

not quite

Atari Games also used the Tengen label for Genesis releases

and they had a Japan-exclusive PC Engine/TurboGrafx-16 port of Marble Madness planned that was canned due to ROM costs

[hexed escarp]

are there any other decent wads that have a similar aesthetic to eviternity's episode one? specifically maps 01 and 03, i love the aesthetic of those

[azure nimbus]

maybe early scythe2?

[dapper flint]

Do you mean like a wood stone water aesthetic?

[hexed escarp]

more like the black aesthetic of map01

[dapper flint]

I still find that very wood and stone. Night sky?

[hexed escarp]

yeah maybe its just a combo of all of the stuff

those two just create a very specific feeling for me for some reason

[dapper flint]

Great intro for sure

[hexed escarp]

it might also be because its sorta the first community megawad that i played

or at least started playing

i havent finished it yet

im sorta in the middle of a lot of wads

actually i played the first map of btsx first

but when i played that i was offput by how calm the music was

but when i first played eviternity

i immediately got into it

[azure nimbus]

Maaaaybe fractured worlds map02? Lot of brown, water, trees, stone

[dapper flint]

Btsx 2 is the closest I can think of

[hexed escarp]

actually yeah thats pretty good

its interesting, ive noticed that im really particular about the atmosphere of things, video games/levels especially

sometimes, if i dont like the music of a map or i dont think it creates the atmosphere that i want for it, it can ruin the playing experience for me

[finite crag]

why does it seem to me like the yellow key is joked about often
idk maybe i'm not thinking right

[hexed escarp]

???????

[finite crag]

i don't even know

not even joke it's just
everywhere is yellow key

[hexed escarp]

idk what you are talking about

ive never seen anything like that

[finite crag]

ok i'm just going insane then

[narrow condor]

[finite crag]

why is there

[long sedge]

for green doors

[finite crag]

Curious, when would they have Green Doors? In custom maps I would guess?

[long sedge]

yeah

knee deep in zdoom has it

[finite crag]

Ahh. That takes me back. Thanks

"Situation negative!!"

[azure nimbus]

Some wads replace the key sprites with another color and the "a blue key is required for this door" text with "a green..." Fractured worlds does this for example as well as 100sn1000s and Stranded among others. FW replaced every skull with a new colored key card so there are 6 "cards" instead of 3 skulls and 3 cards. Internally, they are as usual: 3 and 3. The change is only to the text and sprite.

[finite crag]

Ahh. Detailed info - appreciate it

[azure nimbus]

In vanilla doom, doors don't distinguish between cards and skulls. They only care about color(that's why the vanilla hud only shows one if you picked up a blue skull and blue card). But basically every engine standard since boom supports doors that discriminate skulls from cards

[finite crag]

Well that's interesting to know. Makes sense with custom maps to add something different

[dense plinth]

Hmmm

Is there any source port that exists that emulates the vanilla floppydisk version of doom exactly?

[finite crag]

Dos would be the closest. Doom95 as well

[azure nimbus]

Yes: Chocolate doom emulates the bugs as well

[dense plinth]

I've heard that the dos version is a terrible port of the game and chocolate changes some things

[azure nimbus]

Dos isn't really a port. That' what doom was made for. If you mean the port dosdoom(which was a port from the linex version which was a port from the original doom version...then ig it's a port but not actually the same).

The most vanilla doom is is from dos

[finite crag]

Oh I know Dos isn't a port, more like keeping it original

[azure nimbus]

DSDA emulates most everything from the original but has a lot of QoL features that are on by default.

[finite crag]

I prefer GZDoom and if I had to use DosBox, then sure. DSDA? Hmm

[opal falcon]

I don't understand much of what you're saying right now.

[finite crag]

Discussing about Source ports for Doom for running it like the classic

An example - if I played Doom on Steam, it'll run via DosBox by default but I can run it through GZDoom, giving me stability/features and more

[silent remnant]

I'm an advocate for DOSBox

[dapper flint]

Unity runs on dosbox?

[silent remnant]

no

Unity runs on Unity

[finite crag]

In Windows 10/11

[dapper flint]

Exactly

[finite crag]

Dos is to emulate older games

[dapper flint]

If your run doom on steam it's unity

[silent remnant]

yes, but also no.

you get the choice to run the Unity port or the classic from DOSBox

[finite crag]

The version similar to Xbox if I'm not mistaken

[dapper flint]

Bfg?

[silent remnant]

the Xbox one was a precursor to the Unity port

[finite crag]

Ah

[silent remnant]

still developed by Nerve

[finite crag]

Which worked quite well - compared to the original 360 version

[silent remnant]

I think the XBLA port was done by Id in-house, but I might be wrong about that.

[finite crag]

Done by Bethesda and Vicarious Visions. Originally with Activision but changed over to Bethesda (Doom Wiki)

[silent remnant]

ah

[finite crag]

Yeah. It wasn't too bad back then. Had some bugs but they improved it with the Xbox One release

[silent remnant]

I never had an Xbone.

[dense plinth]

the dosbox version felt different when I played it just now

felt like I took a lot more damage than other ports

[finite crag]

The hitboxes were effectively done on the original

[dense plinth]

also getting hit by a shotgun seemed to knock me back considerably, I don't remember that happening in other ports

[finite crag]

Clever coding

[dense plinth]

Since doom and doom 2 had their levels split up onto multiple floppy disks, does that mean you would have to pistol start every couple of levels? Or did it keep your progress

[silent remnant]

doom 1 was divided into episodes with 8 levels plus one secret level per episode . at the start of each episode you had to pistol start. doom 2 was one continuous thing, you got to carry your weapons the whole way through

[azure nimbus]

than what? If you were to give the game the exact same inputs on dosbox as dsda or chocolate, the exact same result would happen. Gz doom physics can be slidy though.

[dense plinth]

GZDoom primarily

But also chocolate didn't feel as harsh as dos

[dense plinth]

Really? I thought there were like 3 disks per episode

[azure nimbus]

hate to say, but you're seeing things

[silent remnant]

that doesn't matter, it all amounted to one game anyway.

[azure nimbus]

Even gzdoom. While gz does modify physics slightly and uses different random number generation, you'll take about the same damage as always

[dense plinth]

My question was if your weapons, health and ammo carried over on the disks, which it does from what you've told me

I know the episodes all start fresh

[silent remnant]

you didn't have to run the game from disk.

you installed it from disk, but that's it.

[dense plinth]

Ahhhh

[finite crag]

It was kind of like installing old PC games via CD - CD 1, CD 2, CD 3. Then finish and play with CD 1

[dense plinth]

Only time I remember having to do that is Halo 4

Which had all the multiplayer content on disk 2

[finite crag]

Seeing how big games are getting, and CDs had upto 900mb storage. DVD - 4.7GB (I could be mistaken)

[silent remnant]

original Baldur's Gate came on 5 CDs and you had to swap them out frequently during play

[finite crag]

Goodness

[silent remnant]

yeah luckily later they optimized it down to 3 CDs that you didn't have to change as much

[finite crag]

That makes a difference. I know that mounting old PC games via DosBox is easier with digital than with disc

[silent remnant]

yeah really all you have to do there is drag and drop

[dense plinth]

when you installed the games from the floppy disks, was dos the program they were installed onto?

[silent remnant]

drop an executable that would normally run on DOS into DOSBox and "it just works"

[finite crag]

Handy to know

[silent remnant]

DOS was an operating system that pre-dated Windows

[dense plinth]

ahh

[silent remnant]

and even early to mid versions of Windows (pre XP) ran on DOS

[hexed escarp]

Eternity is basically knock off (not g)zdoom right?

[finite crag]

Command lines and no GUI like Win 10/11

[hexed escarp]

I was looking at the feature list, and it seems like it just has the same features as zdoom

[silent remnant]

I have no idea. I've never used Eternity.

[finite crag]

Looks like it is. Keeping it to the original with ZDoom features

[hexed escarp]

It has 3d floors (ish), slopes (ish), acs, edf is basically the equivalent of decorate, portals

[finite crag]

Whereas GZDoom is quite good, but it's up to you. On the Wiki page - it was last updated 2 years ago but should still work

[hexed escarp]

But it doesn’t seem like it’s closer to the original than zdoom (again, not gzdoom, just plain zdoom)

It just seems kinda like a shitty zdoom

[silent remnant]

what was the one that gave the whole thing really ugly HD textures?

[finite crag]

It might've been Doom3D but it's been a while

[hexed escarp]

There are a few things like that

[silent remnant]

I'm not sure that's the one I'm thinking of but I looked at screenshots and it is in fact ugly

[finite crag]

Polygons are good if done right. Sprites work better for Doom

[silent remnant]

ran it by a search engine, Doomsday is what I was thinking of

[finite crag]

Ahh

Dengine

[silent remnant]

crap like that makes me glad I stick with DOSBox

[finite crag]

Indeed

vavoom

12 years with the latest release. Sure keeps it like the original

[weary vine]

Help i just softlocked my game

[finite crag]

Which game?

[weary vine]

Doom 2

[finite crag]

PC or Console?

[weary vine]

I quick saved right in the middle of an explosion and i cant do anything

[dapper flint]

Idclip if you're on pc

[weary vine]

Im on xbox

[dapper flint]

Then die

[weary vine]

K

[hexed escarp]

Dosbox question, what is your sfx quality like?

[weary vine]

Now time to fight the revenants whit a pistol

[hexed escarp]

Bc I have had frequent problems with sfx quality in dosbox

And nobody ever answers my questions about it

[silent remnant]

not bad, actually

[finite crag]

That can happen on DosBox. Configuring in-game or in the Setup is ideal

[silent remnant]

yeah you definitely want to run setup

[finite crag]

Keeping in default settings is best to do

[silent remnant]

like i said before, just drag and drop

[hexed escarp]

Do you have any delay or crackling issues?

[silent remnant]

nope. none

[hexed escarp]

Pls pls pls send me your dosbox conf file

[finite crag]

If there is crackling, it could be the speed of DosBox running

[hexed escarp]

I’ve tried everything

[finite crag]

Did you order it from Steam?

[silent remnant]

I didn't even change the sound settings.

[hexed escarp]

Yes but I set it up in another location

[hexed escarp]

Just send it pls

I want to compare and contrast with what is set in mine

Maybe I screwed up smthn

[finite crag]

Ok. Give me a few

I'll check the config file

[silent remnant]

I don't have it installed at the moment, so I can't send anything

[hexed escarp]

Ah oke

[silent remnant]

but really all I changed were the output, aspect ratio, and scaler settings.

[hexed escarp]

I’m more wondering if I accidentally changed something

Than if you changed something

[finite crag]

Just be a few. I'll check it

[hexed escarp]

Cool

[finite crag]

Ok, seeing how this should be setup: Output - Surface / Aspect - False / Scaler - normal2x / Core - Auto

[hexed escarp]

Can you just send the .conf file?

[finite crag]

Alright

[hexed escarp]

I think by default it’s dosbox.conf

[finite crag]

Sent you the config file

[silent remnant]

I use Output - Overlay / Aspect - True / Scaler - none but I just like the way that looks

[finite crag]

Tweaking is important. Finding that sweetspot

[silent remnant]

I like to force my GPU into 4:3 for old games

[finite crag]

Letterbox - the way it was back on CRT

[royal heron]

4:3 also sets the geometry to be equal to your fov, idk how to explain it

Basically with 4:3 aspect ratio you're seeing how the geometry of the level is actually supposed to look like as opposed to something like 16:9

So essentially since everything is uh...

Equal isn't the right term for this

I forgot

Ah yeah this

aconfusedhuman explains it well

"I play 4:3, mostly stretched but sometimes non-stretched
I like it better because it makes glides easier to line up and movement becomes easier, since the FOV is equal to doomguys width and I have a better idea of when I'm going to hit level geometry around me"

[silent remnant]

nicely put

[finite crag]

4:3 is actually easier to play now

Wow
It keeps my eyes on one part I like it

[finite crag]

so yesterday I finally beat the Plutonia Experiment on Ultra-violence

it was painful

10/10 expansion

[finite crag]

Good on you Lavenza. Not easy to do but glad you did (played it and TNT Evilution on UV - both are challenging)

[dense plinth]

TNT Evilution overall isn't as challenging as plutonia

although iirc it has the harder final level

[finite crag]

True. The Master Levels - my goodness they can be tough

Thy Flesh consumed was at times challenging (due to more "elite" enemies used)

[finite crag]

apart from Perfect Hatred I actually didn't struggle that much with Thy Flesh Consumed

Nice. Monster-infighting helps

[finite crag]

I haven't played TNT or Master Levels yet, and I probably won't for a bit. I'm kinda burnt out from Doom lol

[dense plinth]

the Master Levels balancing is not that great, since they aren't made to be played in any particular order

[finite crag]

Indeed. Plus, there is a bit to setup the Master Levels

[finite crag]

yeah that's why I went from Doom 2 to Plutonia, because I didn't hear good things about the rest of the official expansions for Doom 2

Understandable

[dense plinth]

Master Levels are more challenge maps rather than a proper campaign

as are the rest of the levels in maximum doom

[finite crag]

Oh yes. Pistol start. Maximum Doom eh? I'll have a look into it once I've gone through the Doom games and Heretic. Might look at BTSX

[dense plinth]

Maximum Doom is just the Doomsday Disk

[finite crag]

oh god I forgot about Heretic and Hexen

[dense plinth]

it was a cd released alongside the Master Levels which contained over a thousand wads made by various members of the community

[finite crag]

A thousand WADs? Good grief

I think I might never play Hexen because it just sounds way too fucking confusing for me, and I already had problems navigating the levels of the other classic Doom games

[dense plinth]

Wolf 3D got similar treatment with its Super Upgrades