#heretic-hexen

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quiet relic
modest wing
violet hare
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šŸ™‚

coral yoke
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I love this

stone belfry
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sup

wintry bluff
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this is what i guessed, was hoping for wolf 2009 as well but maybe next year

coral yoke
dim ember
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hell yeah man

coral yoke
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They're probably gonna do a limited run edition just like doom + doom 2

brazen salmon
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Oh hey, pretty cool

random spoke
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lessgoo

worldly kraken
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I loved Heretic

random spoke
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I deadass haven't played either but I'll probably try them out when my PC is done

finite relic
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WE LOVE CASTING SPELLS

quiet relic
errant hill
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Greetings mortals, are you ready to die

random spoke
pliant gale
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IT ONLY COSTS 15? FUCK YEAH

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WE EATING GOOD TWIN

merry aurora
mental dome
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oh holy shit night dive did it!!

coral yoke
merry aurora
coral yoke
mental dome
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hope it's successful enough that they get to do the sequals as well

coral yoke
trail basin
wintry bluff
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Rtcw also needs a remaster, Iā€™ll take it. But 2009 is not available unless you sail the high seas

drifting crest
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Already ordered the heretic shirt on the store...it's awesome

lofty gate
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I'm hearing people say this remaster makes enemies less spongy?

halcyon ermine
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it have parrying too

lofty gate
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Big if true. One of the main reasons I hated Heretic and Hexen was how annoying it was having to sink so much ammo into killing low fodder equivalents.

lofty gate
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Hexen 2 also, very underrated. Phenomenal atmosphere.

halcyon ermine
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Heretic 1+2, Hexen were amazing games

austere yew
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I played these so much as a kid. I just logged in and got an immediate headache so I can't lol.

eternal pagoda
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just installed

mental dome
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nice, got heretic going with gzdoom + night dive extras: gzdoom.exe -config gzdoom.ini -iwad heretic.wad -file heretic_ex.wad

void pier
dull peak
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heretic + hexen update lets go

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i have that annoying issue when you open the game the sound gets like crap in my bluetooth headset. is there a way to permanently fix it instead of having to deactivate hands on every time?

dark hull
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First time playing heretic and Iā€™ve already found 3 secrets total!

dusk gust
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I am wheezing what is this game
Literally have never heard of it but itā€™s got me dying
I downloaded it but legit looks like doom but with swords and staffs

half panther
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omg guys it's a great day for all 30 of us heretic and hexen fans, I literally was playing heretic with tome of the wayfarer all week

merry aurora
half panther
half panther
uneven steppe
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Iā€™ve been considering getting this game

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But I do have one concern

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Iā€™ve heard that Hexen is extremely confusing and requires a lot of switch hunting

coral yoke
brazen salmon
whole river
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But aren't there some RPG elements to Heretic and/or Hexen

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like talking to NPCs and such

brazen salmon
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That's Strife

whole river
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Oh my bad

brazen salmon
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Though there is a class system in Hexen, and they all have inventories

whole river
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Honestly pretty cool

coral yoke
whole river
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With the original release, you mean?? That's huge

half panther
coral yoke
whole river
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but did looking up or down warp the geometry of the layout? Some sourceports that allow looking up and down with software rendering lead to that as a result

coral yoke
balmy matrix
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cool new chat room

magic sorrel
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Pretty sure this doesnā€™t belong here lol

half panther
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loser

modest wing
merry aurora
mental dome
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sure love playing heretic on gzdoom with night dive map adjustments

dusk gust
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Can you get achievements in multiplayer in this game

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I assume yes

coral yoke
# dusk gust I assume yes

I think there's one or two, I know one is for completing a hub with each of the players as one of each class

dusk gust
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Oh yeah thatā€™s right thereā€™s a couple multiplayer ones too

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And is it crossplay like quake and doom re-releases

coral yoke
dusk gust
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Multiplayer lobby has a setting for it so I imagine it is- just found that

tacit rain
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well, this happened

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I dunno if I'll buy it lol. It may be widely available now, I hear that Hexen is confusing as hell

coral yoke
minor sparrow
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Playing heretic for the first time

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Did the original have vertical aim?

coral yoke
minor sparrow
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Cool thanks

Love the death animation. Literally see the soul leave the body lol

coral yoke
minor sparrow
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I'm guessing this inspired amid evil

coral yoke
minor sparrow
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It's very cool @coral yoke

No console release sadly and I can't run it

coral yoke
mental night
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Anyone seen any ai upscaled enemy sprites or gore sprites for brutal Hexen/heretic?

fringe pawn
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love the remaster but was hopping for wolfenstein

wintry bluff
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Which Wolfenstein? I bet 2009 is coming sooner than the next Quakecon

fringe pawn
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bro the original is colleting dust

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give us something

half panther
mental night
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I just wish The one guy cheelo who makes the voxelized versions of the sprites from doom and similar games would do the same for all the brutal doom sprites

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Or even make a version of the voxel enemies that have a skeleton,flesh,and organs inside of it

muted lintel
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bro they made new channels for Heretic+Hexen

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that's goated

blissful kayak
austere yew
raw snow
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I joined just to ask are the heretic and hexen osts really only out on spotify šŸ˜­ i only use youtube music, i beg

coral yoke
raw snow
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Found the old osts

coral yoke
raw snow
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First place i checked, looks like he only released them on spotify šŸ˜¢

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I guess ill just wait and see if he adds them in the future

coral yoke
arctic stone
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I'll try to get Heretic + Hexen soon..

raw snow
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Just checked, the OSTs have been released everywhere but youtube music šŸ˜­

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I am in tears and my day is ruined... /s

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Im assuming theres a reason but man

dusk gust
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E5m3 has to be the worst fucking level Iā€™ve ever played in this game
First level I did not enjoy

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Quay. Trash.

brazen salmon
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I had to glitch my way out of a room to progress. Insane

coral yoke
brazen salmon
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Yeah expansion packs have a reputation for generally not being good

dusk gust
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Thereā€™s two puzzles which are far too convoluted

brazen salmon
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I absolutely have no idea how to progress and there's no guides online for this

coral yoke
brazen salmon
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I'm using the new enhanced version of the map which changes a lot

dusk gust
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What room are you in

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Thereā€™s 2 rooms that have dumb puzzles

brazen salmon
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It's like some kind of maze filled with those green exploding orbs

dusk gust
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Yeah so, you ready for this?

coral yoke
dusk gust
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You have to go through the teleporter, then blow up the bombs before jumping down.
They have to be walked on for two rooms

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Itā€™s bullshit luck/rng where they land

brazen salmon
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Can't I just push them around? That's garbage though

dusk gust
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You can but you have to walk on them.

coral yoke
brazen salmon
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Is this room mandatory? I have a backup save at the very beginning of the level so I can restart if there's a way to skip this

dusk gust
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It is mandatory yeah lol

brazen salmon
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Damn it

dusk gust
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Literally a trash level

brazen salmon
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What's the solution to the part of the level where the ceiling collapses on you? I glitched my way out, didn't do the puzzle

coral yoke
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Also I don't remember that level very well since I only completed heretic on gzdoom last month, but yeah alot of the obstacles were bulls##t

dusk gust
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Another trash puzzle but not as trash
Jump off the pillar on the south side of the room and go on the barrels all the way around the room

brazen salmon
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I see

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I just wanna start playing Hexen II tbh

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But since I'm playing in release order I need to put up with this first

dusk gust
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Same

coral yoke
brazen salmon
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You're a lifesaver for that advice though, thank you

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I was unable to get through it

dusk gust
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Yeah I immediately had to voice my opinion on that level lol

brazen salmon
coral yoke
brazen salmon
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The Hexen II source port is called "Hammer of Thyrion"

coral yoke
brazen salmon
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I play vanilla personally, I hope the original version isn't scuffed

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Alright I just beat the level, thanks again @dusk gust

dusk gust
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For sure

raw snow
coral yoke
dusk gust
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E5 is tedious AF though not a fan
But that one level was the only atrocious one

raw snow
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Been enjoying the first episode so far, im on e1m6 now, love the size of the level

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Been taking the levels so slow cause im trying to find every secret if possible, think ive only missed 2 or something

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Wanting to find a secret level lol, would love to get 100% achievements

eternal pagoda
raw snow
eternal pagoda
raw snow
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Noooo, my silly yakuza gif šŸ˜­šŸ˜­

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Oh nvrm it wasnt loading for me, discord on mobile kinda blows :/

eternal pagoda
raw snow
eternal pagoda
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absolutely lovely

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I love sm2

dusk gust
plain pendant
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what is heretic about

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and hexen

brazen salmon
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People killing monstrous dictators of their worlds in a fantasy setting, basically

dull peak
devout prairie
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i wish they still developed heretic and hexen

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would be so nice

brazen salmon
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They are banished to the CoD mines unfortunately

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But they have also made Quake 4 and Wolf2 which both rock

bronze vault
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why did they remaster the cutscenes but not the game? is there a way to get the og cutscenes instead?

raw snow
merry aurora
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šŸ˜…

brazen salmon
bronze vault
brazen salmon
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You'll have to mod the originals back in. The remastered version is called Heretic + Hexen, remastered maps and weapons are enabled by default

bronze vault
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theres 0 difference?

brazen salmon
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There is difference

bronze vault
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theres not. i just started a game, restarted with all settings off. it looks exactly the same

brazen salmon
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There's no noticeable differences at first, you'd need to have a side by side to notice that weapons and items function differently and some maps have different textures in certain areas

bronze vault
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how is that a remaster?

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the game still looks exactly the same. its no more a remaster than some of the doom mods that add animation frames

brazen salmon
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The widescreen and 4k support does not constitute as visual upgrades?

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A remaster does not have to overhaul the graphics

bronze vault
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visual upgrades ā‰  remaster. why did they only remaster the cutscenes? is there really no way to see the og cutscenes?

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its so jarring seeing a at worst early 2000s cutscene on a game from the 90s.

brazen salmon
bronze vault
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itd be like if in halo 2 on mcc it only had the remade cutscenes for the og game lol

dusk gust
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Itā€¦ was given to you for free right?

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Becauseā€¦ you did own the original game I assume

bronze vault
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no offence but thats not the point

brazen salmon
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My understanding here is you think that the option to play the original cutscenes should be there, which is understandable though I personally don't think that's necessary, and that the graphics are not remastered, which is also fair enough but looking at how Nightdive makes their games, that'd be pretty much impossible. Your best bet would be Doomsday or GZDoom if you want a graphical remaster

dusk gust
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They also allowed you to rebind equipment to whatever button you wanted which IIRC wasnā€™t allowed in any inherent vanilla version before

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Thatā€™s a pretty huge change if you play on harder difficulties and donā€™t want to swap to jars.

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And while the enhanced features may not be ā€œsignificantā€, it arguably does make the game run differently gameplay wise, even if you donā€™t think the appearance of the game is that different

brazen salmon
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The fact this remaster exists in the first place is a miracle tbh

dusk gust
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Yeah I mean I never even heard of this game until this launch lol and I played doom on my pc years and years ago
So I researched a little on the game to just see what it was

brazen salmon
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I knew about it for a while and with the information I have gathered in that time, I can safely say this was a very risky move

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There definitely is a community, but it's small, and there is a huge nostalgia magnet towards Hexen

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But these games are not nearly as recognizable as their other choices

dusk gust
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Yeah I notice people seem to like hexen more than heretic

brazen salmon
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It's easily the more popular one. It was the first one to have a retail release, the Hexen games have the most content and marketing, and it's the only one up to this point to have gotten console ports

raw snow
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Although i get if some people see it more as a rerelease but ive loving it

dusk gust
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Did you wanna play hexen for the 3 class achievement
I need a third in the lobby lol

brazen salmon
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Nah sorry, feeling a little burnt out from Hexen atm. Thanks though

dusk gust
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Np

bronze vault
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oh no for clarification i am adoring it, its incredible fun. i just really wish the old cutscenes were there, it preserves the games feeling while still bringing it into the modern age with better resolution etc

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blood fresh supply is a really good example. my goodness that games cutscenes look awful. and i love it lol!

raw snow
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Like full preservation and keeps the game authentic like the og version

brazen salmon
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The original version lacked cutscenes entirely

raw snow
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Wasnt it the console version that had cutscenes?

brazen salmon
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Yeah

raw snow
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Yea so they combined both versions which tbh i like

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Im a new fan of heretic and hexen and its been a blast, i beat doom 1 and 2 for the first time earlier this year, same with doom 64

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Mainly got into the older shooters through my love of dusk and ultrakill

brazen salmon
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That's pretty nice

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I got into Heretic and Hexen a year ago but only recently with the new remaster have I started actively playing them. Back then it was little by little

raw snow
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I love going back to older games, its funny i play more older games rather than newer ones

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I played and finished vampire the masqeurade redemption and bloodlines earlier this year too

brazen salmon
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I do too! It has its benefits

bronze vault
brazen salmon
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Because they are usually short?

bronze vault
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new dooms are a masterpiece but i have zero desire to pick them up again.

raw snow
bronze vault
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new doom is just less in depth imo.

brazen salmon
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I like both old and new games, but I replay older games more simply because a lot of them are just short. It's fun to speedrun

raw snow
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Its tough for me, i tend to only play most games once cause i dont have time to play alot of games, so i tend to play online games now and again like warframe and sometimes cod

bronze vault
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or to be more specific the simplicity of the old games increases their complexity and replay ability.

bronze vault
raw snow
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I hop on from time to time

bronze vault
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i think the first mission of doom eternal and doom 1 are prefect examples of why the new games are less replayable. its like you have to end the mission with all thr doohickies and gadgets but in mission 1 in doom 1, you can enter level 2 with either nothing or a shotgun if you know where it is. weapons are pickups, not progression, and that massively changes how the game plays on a per playthrough basis.

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secrets are now pieces of progression to be chased and unlocked. in the og game theyre fun and potential gameplay boosts to those who need or want them. idk its just meh to me.

raw snow
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Hmm, thats an interesting way to think of it

bronze vault
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to be clear i love the new games. i just dont think they hold a candle to the og games replayability and stuff.

raw snow
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Ive stopped mainly playing newer games cause every game nowadays i swear try to be as long as possible lmao, oh and the price of games too

bronze vault
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yeah šŸ„²

brazen salmon
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I have a fairly old PC so retro games speak to me more

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I do have an XSS for newer games, I've been filling it up with older stuff tho lmao

bronze vault
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my 5080 is like ā€œGIVE ME A CHALLENGEā€ lol!

raw snow
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Anything from 10-15 hour games is good for me

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I bought a ps2 a couple years ago, the nostalgia i have booting it up šŸ˜­

bronze vault
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yeah and the thing is the og dooms are as long as you want them to be. you can skip most combat encounters but in the new games you literally have to kill all enemies in an arena to progressā€¦

dusk gust
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You canā€™t get your fourth weapon in hexen in co op

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Can you. Lol
Because, you canā€™t save.
So, if you end a run ā€¦. Say on stage 2 or 3
Then you wonā€™t have the weapon parts because you canā€™t save in co op.

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Unless you, do the entire run in one sitting.

drifting crest
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It's great if you like old games bit I'd suggest you to keep the original soundtrack on while you play it, trust me it creates a better atmosphere

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Oh I don't know man, I play it on console I'm not sure on that one

dusk gust
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If anyone has any suggestions on freezing 10 enemies at once, lemme know
Seems like quite a lucky achievement

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(Without spawning in enemies)

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Actually disregard - I have an idea for next time

muted lintel
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just curious, is there an option to revert Heretics gameplay to the original?

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nvm I found it, it's in gameplay modifers in the difficulty select menu

dusk gust
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If anyone wants to play in a 3 stack at: <t:1754956852:f>
let me know by @ing me - will cancel this post if I fill the spot before then
Id like to complete a level w a full squad all classes for the achievement

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Youā€™d most likely have to be a cleric but Iā€™d be willing to let you play as fighter if you prefer

dull peak
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holy shit

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took me 1h+ to beat e4m1 on hardest

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also after all these years i just found out the necro gauntlet drains life when used with the tome of power

warm ruin
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For some reason I'm getting motion sickness from heretic+hexen does anyone have idea how to stop that in the game settings?

blazing vortex
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Could be from vertical aim? I disabled it for both games for nostalgic reasons, but maybe it's the culprit.

mental dome
mental dome
# warm ruin For some reason I'm getting motion sickness from heretic+hexen does anyone have ...

unforunately the new heretic/hexen re-release preserves the original software renderer which uses y-shear effect, basically a way to fake mouse look, happened in the old build engine games like duke and shadow warroir as well. there's no way to fix it in the night dive release as again they wanted to preserve the original experience, however you can still play it in gzdoom which has true mouse look, it's just you won't get any of the new game balancing updates

warm ruin
brazen salmon
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You can disable the ability to look up and down entirely, it'll save you the headache and it won't impact your gameplay that much

muted lintel
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I did find that enabling fullscreen hud made the freelook more appealing to use

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But it probably wouldn't help with motion sickness

dusk gust
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Is anyone else having lobbies drop for 0 reason

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This has happened 2x when Iā€™m VERY deep in a hexen level

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Itā€™s incredibly frustrating

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Because hexen levels are long

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Legit makes me not want to play the game anymore
Itā€™s infuriating

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Had 0 issues with heretic - and have never had the issue with doom 1 + 2

winter trellis
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hello! is anyone else stuck on e1m3, the second teleporter doesnt open no matter what i do

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the one in the tower

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on the enhanced version of the level

brazen salmon
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I'm not actually sure how to answer your question, I just feel this info is important for people who WILL know how to help :p

winter trellis
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heretic

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normal

winter trellis
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forgot to say sorry lol

winter trellis
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was trying to 100% the level

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but couldnt

brazen salmon
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I dunno, sorry :p

winter trellis
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šŸ˜”

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reported the bug to bethesda hope they fix it

mental dome
upper jolt
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Cool this is a channel now, I never knew about heretic until quakecon ngl

vernal grove
dusk gust
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It has only happened with hexen to me

half panther
plain pendant
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yo thats actually sick that hexen has classes

pliant gale
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Heretic + Hexen are too unique from being a "classic doom clone" ngl

sonic haven
# dull peak took me 1h+ to beat e4m1 on hardest

yep, that's how that level was for me playing it on hard 20+ years ago lol. haven't played Heretic + Hexen re-release yet, but good to know some of the brutal difficulty remains intact šŸ˜„

brazen salmon
finite kernel
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Heretic is a completely different game
i mean look at the weapons
you have the slow shooting wand ( not a pistol)
you have the crossbow shooting multiple Arrows (not a shotgun)
you have the fast shootijg dragon claw Thing (not a machine gun)

brazen salmon
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Good thing the original DOOM doesn't have a machine gun šŸ¤“

orchid lynx
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oh?

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what is this?

north swift
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So we have a Heretic and hexen channel now. Idk why thats in the doom server but heretic and hexen are topical rn so im fine with it

vernal grove
north swift
vernal grove
dim ember
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longest script I've ever seen him make!

vernal grove
dusk gust
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Iā€™m not losing internet connection either. Itā€™s just the game.
Why is this gameā€™s ā€œserverā€ or whatever complete trash

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I like the game
Truly I do
But this game just disconnects me
Only hexen

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I made a ticket on the Bethesda website
I canā€™t take it anymore lol

dull peak
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my mind was exhasuted after LOL

tepid moon
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i like hexen because it has a hammer

sonic haven
jovial oak
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I just started Heretic for my first time and now I wonder if the Big Fucking Crossbow in Dark Ages was inspired by the Ethereal Crossbow to some degree

winter trellis
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question: what difficulty do i choose smite-meister or black plague?

jovial oak
winter trellis
jovial oak
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Yeah, I refuse the super easy difficulties in favor of a more balanced experience. I also get way too frustrated with really difficult stuff (Soulsborne stuff would make me rage quit like crazy. Though I did beat Bloodborne but used multiplayer like a fucking crutch. Idk if I beat BSB on my second play-through though)

winter trellis
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i managed to beat doom eternal on nightmare

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as the name says it was a fucking nightmare

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im not doing ultra nightmare tho cause being mid campaign and dying on some stupid bullshit like a demon spawning behind me is not fun.

barren jackal
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What is heretic hexen?

trail basin
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Theyā€™re like doom 1 & 2 but in a fantasy settings and with much more annoying puzzles

winter trellis
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no hitscanner enemies tho

brazen salmon
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They also bring engine enhancements to their respective id Tech engines

winter trellis
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yeah and also looking up and down and inventory

brazen salmon
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Looking up and down is one of the engine enhancements I was talking about

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There's also jumping in Hexen

winter trellis
north swift
dull peak
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gonna resume playing tonight, e4m2

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didnt have time through the week

real ridge
plain pendant
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I think hexen is better than heretic

coral yoke
plain pendant
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I think heretic is much like doom but hexen u can parry and block and thats sick

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always thought hexen was the more popular one

coral yoke
plain pendant
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is hexen not a sequel to heretic

coral yoke
brazen salmon
sinful salmon
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Has anyone figured out how to readd the intermission text for using the nightdive remakes as a Iwad in GZdoom?

wet kite
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love the crossbow its fun

meager garnet
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wait, they really add hexen channle ? awesome

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i glad to hear this

unique copper
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Hi

barren lance
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Helli

cunning current
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sup

quiet relic
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Hows everyone been finding this re-release

winter trellis
finite kernel
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how does it compare to a sourceport?
is multiplayer completely integrated with steam?
im not the biggest fan of buying a game 2 or more times

wheat garden
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I loved the Cleric's new shield/parry mechanic

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Almost all the irritating mofos in Hexen can be killed with it without wasting mana or artifacts
Centaurs, Bishops, The Cleric boss, The Mage boss, The Dragon, Korax

It's satisfying sending their own projectiles back at them
Even the Cleric boss's Wraithverge ghosts

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The shield is appropriately OP

vernal grove
severe arrow
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I can be fighter and use not an ounce of filthy magic

thick pumice
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Re-release is goated, I tried to get into Hexen a while ago since I liked the class system and base combat, but the levels were just too cryptic. The re-release adding objective markers on the map has, in my opinion, improved the game

dusk gust
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Had no issues with heretic or any other game really

elder linden
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Hey just wanted to know what is herectic hexan

severe arrow
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Old games

unkempt cargo
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Idk what a herectic or hexan is, but this channel is for Heretic and Hexen, games built with the same engine as the original Doom

cunning current
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Like classic Doom with magic. Hexen is more open world RPG

arctic stone
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Well well well.. Finally bought Heretic + Hexen bundle..

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did i like it? Yes!

solar furnace
finite kernel
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maybe i buy the erratic hexagon

tepid moon
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Hot take hexen is the best doom engine game

tepid moon
wheat garden
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Hexagon > Erratic every time, every day

rapid parrot
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Corvus' laugh is one of the most iconic sounds in video game history.

pliant gale
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HeXen 2 is the best quake engine game too

deft tusk
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This channel is new?

quiet relic
finite kernel
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Maybe if they run out of ideas for Doom they could make these games for the new engine.

But it would be too close to the dark ages at this point

gusty pewter
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Hello.
Can anyone get split screen multiplayer to work?
All controllers in my pc just act as player 1.

coral yoke
timber basin
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I like to beleive that Corvus is an ancient ancestor of classic doomguy.

gusty pewter
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Okay, apparently when entering input, controller 1 and 2 says "player 1" and 2 accordingly, but there's still only one player in the lobby.
When I go into the game, player 1 works and player 2 can only pause.

How do I get the screen split properly etc.?
How do I "tap" into the lobby?

dusk gust
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Prior to updating to doom + doom 2 anyway, thatā€™s how doom was on unity port
Idk otherwise

zinc urchin
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šŸ˜‹

tacit rain
#

You ever heard of dead simple from doom 2 being used as a secret in one of those maps from serpent resurrection?

fickle ravine
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do yall reccomend this game

ashen dune
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idk haven't bought it yet

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although the multiplayer sounds cool

wheat garden
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If you had either game in your Steam library then this remaster comes for free
(I got mine for free because I have Hexen)

coral yoke
dusk gust
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Howā€™re you supposed to kill the clones of you in hexen by yourself lol

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I did it in multiplayer and Iā€™d scream if I had to solo lol

coral yoke
severe arrow
#

Soup is soupin rn

dusk gust
#

I was playing co op, and we didnā€™t do it in one sitting
So, it doesnā€™t save our parts

coral yoke
wheat garden
iron mango
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How do the new levels work with mods like hexen HD?

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Most recently, I went through hexen with him. Just before the remaster came out

dusk gust
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I killed fighter w invincibility item
But the mage crapped on me

wheat garden
quasi grove
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Nice

cunning current
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Heretic's weapon variety is cool.

dusk gust
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I didnā€™t use the shield- I used the repulsion things
I play fighter

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Cleric would be a second class I would play though
I played it the first 2 levels

wheat garden
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I played Hexen over a decade ago
With the remaster I wanted to try out the Cleric's shield on everything.
It's stupid fun parrying all sorts of fireballs and killing those annoying centaurs

gloomy kettle
#

Anyone want to do a black plague run from USA let me know

drowsy quiver
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Any patch plans to fix the wonky mouse look in heretic? Weapon projectiles hit below the cross hair when looking up, and above the crosshair when looking down. It doesn't feel right, or intentional for it to be that way.

drowsy quiver
terse rivet
unkempt veldt
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Has anyone played Masters of Chaos? Its a Heretic WAD

normal vine
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Hey guys, do you know if anyone has ever called Corvus "Hereticguy"?

coral yoke
normal vine
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Had to look it up as I didn't know that a game called "POSTAL" existed

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But the character's name does have a Doomguy vibe

normal vine
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Guys, are the Hell Guards from Doom 2016 a reference to Hexen? In the first phase, the initial Hell Guard uses a mace and a scepter, combining melee attacks with magic (Cleric), and in the second phase you face against a purely melee Hell Guard (Fighter) and a purely ranged one (Mage)

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New headcanon unlocked

acoustic lava
#

That is an actually valid theory and I endorse it

normal vine
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Yo, Cthulhu! Has Future already summoned you to bring darkness upon Earth for 30 years?

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Thanks for supporting my theory by the way! I really don't know how my brain made that connection, but I'm really happy about it, as I now feel like this was an actual reference or homage and I was the only person on Earth to get it (or at least to tell others about it)

pliant gale
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Pls pls hexen 2 remastered šŸ™ I'm praying for you

coral yoke
normal vine
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For real. I've heard the current Steam version is absolutely horrible as it doesn't even work without a fan patch. I've been reading the Heretic wiki and Hexen 2 sounds like a dope game, and if it gets a remaster, I'll definitely buy it

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(as long as it doesn't suck)

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((the remaster, the game appears to be awesome))

coral yoke
brazen salmon
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Hexen II always worked for me

normal vine
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Guys, if you could only choose one, would you rather have a Heretic 2 remaster or a Hexen 2 one?

brazen salmon
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I think most people would say Heretic II

normal vine
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Huh, why?

brazen salmon
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Hexen II isn't really liked. Heretic II is adored, there are no digital releases of it, and it's a very unique game

normal vine
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Damn, why? I've been reading about Hexen 2 and it sounds like a really cool and unique game with an interesting plot

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Like, I get it, Heretic 2 is a priority due to it not existing in digital form. But why do people dislike Hexen 2?

tardy herald
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I love Hexen II and would love a remaster with the soundtrack. I thought the plot and environments were great. I still have the game and box from the late-90s.

I never got the Expansion Pack, as I couldnā€™t find it at the time at a reasonable price as a broke university student.

I couldnā€™t really get into Heretic II, the third-person stuff seemed like a bit of a betrayal of the series at the time. Plus, with the Shadow Riders story complete, I wasnā€™t sure of the plot.

If I had to choose, Hexen II gets my vote.

normal vine
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I was starting to get worried Hexen 2 wasn't that good. Glad to know there's also people out there who love the game. You have literally made me feel hope again, thanks, @tardy herald

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Also, damn! I'd love to have the box too due to the cover art being so amazing, but I'm guessing it's expensive, so I'll just print me a poster with said cover art

tardy herald
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Iā€™m sure with all the games I have, complete in boxes in reasonable condition, I have a good supplement to my retirement fund.

normal vine
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Haha. Won't you keep at least some of them?

tardy herald
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No plans to sell them yet.

pliant gale
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I don't want heretic 2

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I want mother fricking hexen 2 remastered

Idgaf if it's flawed

normal vine
#

Hell yeah, Hexen gang

terse rivet
#

We dont have much for Heretic II

sinful salmon
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So outta curosity... Has anyone figured a way to add the OG intermissions if you're using the enhanced levels for heritic? Not the new stuff just the OG episodes

normal vine
normal vine
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Personally, I'm ok with any of the two ports, but I'm just a tiny wee bit more interested on a Hexen 2 one

terse rivet
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Iā€™d just rather focus on a remaster of a thing we canā€™t remaster ourselves

normal vine
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Which is also fair and I respect. But Hexen 2 just speaks to me a bit more on a personal level. If only they weren't fully 3D games and we could get the two remasters the same year...

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Like, maybe we will? I think it's a stretch, but one should remain hopeful

sinful salmon
# normal vine Mmm, could you specify? I don't get what you mean

if you use the enhanced levels from the heritic+hexen instead of the text intermissions that should happen when you clear a episode in the original 5 episodes. you get what looks like a file name instead. So I'm wondering if someone had found a way to restore the intermissions

normal vine
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Huh, I haven't experienced that yet

sinful salmon
normal vine
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Yo guys, have you played Wizardum? I've heard it's similar to Heretic and Hexen

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The game looks cool, but I don't know if I should buy it. So I wanna know if any of you have played it, and that way you can recommend it or not

finite kernel
#

apogee still exists?

normal vine
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I guess so. I didn't know that publisher existed before discovering Wizordum revenantshrug

finite kernel
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They are one of the corner stones of early pc gaming.

finite kernel
normal vine
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That's the thing: I'm a console player

brazen salmon
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The old one is 3D Realms now and then they set up a new company also called Apogee that retains the rights to a lot of the original one's stuff

finite kernel
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Yeah I was wondering
because I thought the first duke nukems where pretty apogee'esque

burnt solstice
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Should I get this on xbox, I already had heretic and hexen on steam but...

brazen salmon
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If you prefer Xbox gaming then yeah, otherwise I would hold off

noble granite
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Dude, that e4m7 level was something else man. I think a part of myself died seeing the 30+ deciples in the room holding the exit door

normal vine
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You just wait until you get to e5m3

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I'm not spoiling anything. But if you're anything like me, you will not be having any fun

lavish pumice
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Hey i just got heretic + hexen for my ps4 and wanted to ask how I would be able to disable gyro aiming

fair mural
#

Is heretic supposed to look really weird with vertical look on

unkempt veldt
#

All the idtech1 engine games look a lil weird with mouse look

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The world and enemies werent supposed to be looked at with that on

fair mural
unkempt veldt
#

Whats vertical mode? Mouselook?

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Sure, its possible.

brazen salmon
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Mouselook isn't possible on the original DOS release but freelook is

uncut sequoia
terse rivet
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BUILD also has this problem

#

it wasnt really until Quake that we had an efficient true 3d engine

dark hull
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Still missing 3 secrets on cathedral but literally canā€™t figure out how to get to em ugh

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well missing 2 secrets now

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and even 8 enemy killsā€¦

dark hull
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wanted to even out gamerscore, so just went with finding all the secrets in cathedral. If I killed all enemies too, Iā€™d have to get like 4 more 23 gamerscore achievements.

brazen salmon
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The full 1000 GS completion is pretty easy unless you want to even your total GS out because of another game

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I forever have mine as an odd number because of Ultimate Custom Night's 1 GS achievement

dark hull
#

oh no!!!

grand dagger
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Whats heretic hexen?

vague jolt
grand dagger
vague jolt
# grand dagger *Wut?*

I don't have alot to explain because im bad at explaining so i think checking gameplay videos would help

grand dagger
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So how is it connected to Doom tho?

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What did doomguy go through his Harry Potter arc somewhere before Doom 2 and 64?

vague jolt
grand dagger
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Oh

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So why is it here?

brazen salmon
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And there's really no other official Bethesda server a Heretic channel could go

grand dagger
hazy dove
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where there always hexen/heretic channels on this server or am i misremembering

brazen salmon
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I am very happy they are here but they are quite dead

normal vine
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I'm just waiting for any discussion, to be honest. I've been super passionate about these games ever since discovering them and I'm currently reading through the manuals for that sweet sweet LORE! I'm also making headcanons to fill gaps that aren't really explained or developed that much. Maybe I'll start writing them down or something, M0no has kind of inspired me to be honest to make a "Heretic/Hexen lore compendium"

brazen salmon
normal vine
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It does sound a lot better than watching a walkthrough

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(got it)

hot citrus
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Are you guys going to release Heretic 2 on steam? You'll get more money if you do

brazen salmon
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Probably not going to do it until it's remastered

frigid vigil
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Yeah, a remaster of both sequels would be fantastic. Especially since I canā€™t even get Heretic 2 to load saves without crashing

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Shit I could even rock out with full blown remakes but thatā€™d never happen because they just wouldnā€™t be as profitable

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Also, whatā€™re yalls thoughts regarding the new content from the Heretic+Hexen bundless? I wanna play the new hub/campaign but havenā€™t felt motivated

normal vine
arctic stone
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Heretic really isnt that popular huh?

brazen salmon
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Its height of popularity was 30 years ago

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This is the first content for the franchise since 1998 and it was most likely released to a negative outlook

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So yeah

rapid ermine
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I didnt know it received any negative outlook. The moment I saw they were releasing that collection I got it day one.

brazen salmon
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I've seen a lot of people say it makes stupid changes and is inaccurate, but I am mostly referring to the fact people were waiting for DOOM 3 or Quake 4 or something big at QuakeCon just to get Heretic + Hexen. I love Heretic and I'm happy we got this but I do also understand the dissapointment some people had

frigid vigil
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Iā€™ll be honest, as someone whoā€™s loves Heretic and enjoys Hexen the bundle is a little weird

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I hate the new enemy placements in Heretics remade setpieces and feel like the weapon ā€œbalancesā€ just make the game a little too hard for casual play

normal vine
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I mean, you can play it with the original balancing and maps

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Also, @brazen salmon is now a hybrid cacodemon? Damn...

frigid vigil
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I really enjoy the Hexen changes

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Especially being able to change classes

brazen salmon
normal vine
frigid vigil
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Oh yeah, that parry mechanic trivializes trial of steel

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I wonder if they remastered Hexen 2 if weā€™d get new stuff like that

normal vine
brazen salmon
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Doom the dark age

normal vine
brazen salmon
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I see a dual release happening if H+H sold well

frigid vigil
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They own all the properties at this point

brazen salmon
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But I'm not personally sure it did

frigid vigil
brazen salmon
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Not necessarily

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The Quake II engine is still id Tech 2, it's a fork of the engine

frigid vigil
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Bothā€™re Quake but Heretic 2 is a modified version of Quake 2ā€™s engine

brazen salmon
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With KEX I'm sure you can combine them

frigid vigil
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I personally hope for individual releases

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So we can get expansions like Quake

normal vine
brazen salmon
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What do you mean expansions like Quake?

normal vine
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Dimension of the Machine

frigid vigil
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Call of the Machine, Dimension of the Past, and whatever the rest are called

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All part of the Quake rerelease

brazen salmon
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Heretic + Hexen got expansions too though

frigid vigil
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Yeah but they got a single hud and a mapset

normal vine
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Also, they're easier to modify. I think

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And therefore easier to produce content for

frigid vigil
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If weā€™re lucky weā€™ll get remakes but we wonā€™t because they wouldnā€™t make the money back

brazen salmon
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Dual release won't stop expansions from coming out

frigid vigil
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Iā€™d love Hexen 2 in the modern engine

normal vine
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I heard the current version in Steam sucks, so there are even more incentives for a remaster to happen

brazen salmon
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The only thing missing is CD music which is inferior

frigid vigil
brazen salmon
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That has never been the case though

frigid vigil
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I see evidence pointing elsewhere myself

brazen salmon
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What would that be

frigid vigil
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Quake 1 and 2 got individual releases and a buncha expansions while Doom+Doom 2 got Legacy Of Rust with Hexen+Heretic getting only 2 themselves

brazen salmon
#

Quake and Quake II also only got one each though

frigid vigil
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Were the other expansions already with Quake?

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I thought dimensions came with the release along with cotm?

brazen salmon
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Yeah

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No, the third Quake expansion was made in 2016

frigid vigil
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Shit well that changes mostly everything

brazen salmon
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Call of the Machine is the only new expansion Quake II got

frigid vigil
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I only got into Quake around last year

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Been playing Doom forever though

normal vine
frigid vigil
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The Quake 2 expansions kinda blow

brazen salmon
frigid vigil
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Im honestly not a fan of Quake 2ā€™s gameplay

normal vine
brazen salmon
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Quake II is cool

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BFG 10k

frigid vigil
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I absolutely fucking hate the Quake 2 monsters

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They ruined the game for me

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No enemy should have the ability to shoot 3 grenades at once around corners

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Now Quake 1ā€™s expansions were baller

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I love Quake 1 Charlie, I LOVE QUAKE 1

normal vine
# brazen salmon That's surprising, MachineGames usually cooks

They did with Dimension of the Machine, but Dimension of the Past gives you like barely any ammo to work with, and it doesn't even use the enemies from the original mission packs. Neither does it have the benefit of having extremely different environments like Dimension of the Machine does

normal vine
frigid vigil
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I think Quake falters at its ā€œbossesā€

brazen salmon
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Tbf Dimension of the Machine was free while they focused on more important projects, I can understand the (apparently existing) slop

frigid vigil
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The only real boss Quake has had was during the expansion

brazen salmon
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I meant DotP

frigid vigil
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Thats the one with the dragon right?

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I always get the 2 confused

brazen salmon
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Isn't the dragon in DoE

frigid vigil
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Might be

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I suck with names

brazen salmon
#

Anyway I'd like a dual release more than a seperate one just because that'd free up space for another project

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I don't really care for Hexen II, I want the Heretic II remaster as fast as possible

frigid vigil
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WHAT??

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Hexen 2 is so fucking good

brazen salmon
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It's fine

frigid vigil
#

Did you play Portals?

brazen salmon
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No, don't own it

frigid vigil
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Oof

#

Portals is peak

brazen salmon
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It's pricey abandonware

frigid vigil
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I had to download it offa abandonware and then spent an hour jamming into my port on Hammer

normal vine
frigid vigil
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Yeah, Quake bosses felt more like Mario bosses

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Instead of fighting it you use a map gimmick

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I hope in Hexen 2 remaster they keep the fast running trick where you mash A and D to go faster when running

brazen salmon
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I hope they fix the original music issue H+H has

normal vine
frigid vigil
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Yeah, Shub on nightmare sucks so much

normal vine
frigid vigil
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Yeah Iā€™m confused too

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I play H+H muted

brazen salmon
#

The original music is so quiet it's almost incoherent

normal vine
frigid vigil
normal vine
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Give it a shot with the music on, please. Guardian of Steel and Necropolis are my personal favorites

frigid vigil
#

I absolutely love playing Heretic and listening to the Distractables podcast

frigid vigil
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But I donā€™t anymore

normal vine
#

Original soundtrack or remix?

frigid vigil
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Both

normal vine
#

Fair enough

normal vine
frigid vigil
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I played with sound when H+H came out and before that I played with sound on GZDoom and Crispy ports

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Heretic is best on its Crispy port dude

brazen salmon
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That is true but I can stomach the DOSBox version personally

frigid vigil
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I enjoy Heretic on Crispy and Hexen on GZ

frigid vigil
brazen salmon
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Oh yeah I'm fine with 35 fps

#

I thought you were gonna mention mouselook

frigid vigil
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No, freelook is fine but not my favorite

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I use it on gzdoom but thats it

#

But Hexen with lighting mods is too pretty not to play

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Otherwise Iā€™d play Hexen on crispy too

#

Now I gotta ask, has anyone here played Hexen on multiplayer?

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It seems like fun but I donā€™t have any friends into games like it

brazen salmon
#

I can't imagine playing Heretic or Hexen without freelook

frigid vigil
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Its rough sometimes but for Heretic it doesnā€™t matter

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Now Hexen you basically need it because of well everything

normal vine
frigid vigil
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Iā€™ve been looking for companion mods for it

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Doom has Xim Marines but Hexen has nothing

normal vine
#

What is a companion mod? Like bots who follow you around?

frigid vigil
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Yeah

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Bots who run around and fight alongside ya

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Itā€™d be cool to choose a class and the other 2 bots are the other classes

normal vine
#

I did that with my friends. But they apparently get bored quickly, and I don't really know why

normal vine
frigid vigil
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Warrior in 1 and Paladin in 2

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I love late game ice staff

normal vine
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I like the Mage in 1. Hexen 2 I haven't played, but every class looks really cool from what I've read, though the weapons of the Crusader could be more in line with his "holy warrior" character. Like, Warhammer and Lightbringer are fitting, the other two seem pretty random theme wise

frigid vigil
#

Shit I might be thinking of Crusader for Hexen 2

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Honestly Hexen 2 class names confuse me a bit

normal vine
frigid vigil
#

Yep it is Crusader I play

normal vine
#

I've got every single manual open in my tablet for when I feel like reading something

#

Internet archive rules

frigid vigil
#

Fr

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Well I hope ya get to play Hexen 2 someday

#

I absolutely loved the game, something about it clicked with me

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Probably the puzzles, I love puzzles and Hexen 2 puzzles are fun and coherent unlike its predecessor

brazen salmon
#

Hexen II never clicked for me like the first game did

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Maybe if a remaster comes and fixes the abysmal game design I'll get around to beating it because right now I quit during the first hub

normal vine
# frigid vigil I absolutely loved the game, something about it clicked with me

I've watched just a tiny bit of gameplay and looked at some screenshots and I couldn't be more hyped to play it (and of course read the manual multiple times). I don't really know what I'll do if Nightdive doesn't remaster it. Maybe I'll explode, or I just take a look outside. I've heard it's beautiful outside the window

brazen salmon
#

Get a shitty laptop brochacho

normal vine
brazen salmon
#

Well I have no idea where the hell I'm going and the enemies feel spongey

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That's all I remember since it's been a whiiile

normal vine
brazen salmon
#

It ran fine OOB for me

normal vine
frigid vigil
#

Yeah Hexen 2 is a major test of resourcefulness

brazen salmon
#

And patience :p

frigid vigil
#

And I have both in spades

#

Playing the expansion class in base game feels different though

#

Because its not balanced at all. If you want the game to feel more balanced like Doom you play Demoness

#

You can get Portal off of abandonware because itā€™s emulating not piracy

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But Iā€™m not saying I endorse it

#

(Donā€™t hurt me mods)

brazen salmon
#

Abandonware isn't a legally recognized term, so lawfully speaking it's still piracy

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I'd pick up a copy sooner if they weren't crazy expensive. I have Heretic II

frigid vigil
#

I own Hexen 2 physically

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So I figured I did my part and just used my resources

#

Iā€™m not for piracy

#

Its just ridiculous that you canā€™t buy it from the producer

#

Especially when they just own both companies who are responsible for it being taken down

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I wouldnā€™t download POP if it was purchasable

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As in off of abandonware

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Eh you know what I mean

brazen salmon
#

The ownership is fairly recent and they were already working with Nightdive by that point so my guess is they didn't rerelease it yet because they plan/planned to rerelease it

frigid vigil
#

Yeah

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Itā€™ll be nice not having to use a source port to properly play it if it does get remastered

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Especially since thatā€™ll definitely mean we get fully customizable controls

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And official controller support

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Just another thing to look forward to

brazen salmon
#

I want Hexen II + Heretic II next year, if possible, but if not I'd like Quake 4

frigid vigil
#

Best we can do is another Quake online game

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Quakenight

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And yes, night is spelled that way because Quakenite simply doesnā€™t go as hard

brazen salmon
#

Anything but another MP Quake

normal vine
frigid vigil
normal vine
#

At least 10 from the inevitable battle pass. Like, at least one person in the entire planet will buy it

#

Anyways

#

What are your thoughts on the Heretic/Hexen lore? Have you paid attention to it? Maybe read about it in the wiki or even better, straight from the source (the manuals)?

brazen salmon
#

I don't know if I was the person this question was directed to but I personally found Heretic's premise really interesting and awesome. Hexen's story is fine, not bad by any means but it's kinda whatever. Haven't beaten anything past those two (aside from their expansions)

lament scroll
#

i'm back

normal vine
#

I feel like I'm the only guy reading the lore of these games at this point in time

frigid vigil
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Iā€™ve read the lore before

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I just donā€™t talk about it much

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Hexen/Heretic lore doesnā€™t take up much of my brain space like Warhammer or Cyberpunk

brazen salmon
#

Did you guys know the Serpent Rider symbol is in Quake Champions?

frigid vigil
#

Did you know that Heretics symbol is The Order Of The Triad?

normal vine
brazen salmon
normal vine
#

Damn!!! And you logged in just to show me. Thanks!

#

Now I'm gonna read her lore and try to connect her to Heretic/Hexen. Maybe I'll be able to, since Quake Champions is the id Software multiverse game

vast frost
#

Anyone else a little disappointed that Hulshultā€™s soundtrack wasnā€™t epic fantasy metal? I wish it was a little more like DOOM

brazen salmon
#

What it is currently fits Heretic/Hexen the most, imo

vast frost
#

Itā€™s amazing what guitars can do for a soundtrack, though

frigid vigil
#

I enjoy the ost

vast frost
#

Hopefully they use my idea for a Hexen reboot or something

frigid vigil
#

I dunno if it needs a reboot

brazen salmon
frigid vigil
#

I think there isn't too much to do with Heretic/Hexen besides remasters and remakes

#

Granted I haven't seen Heretic 2s end

vast frost
brazen salmon
#

Please don't make everything be DOOM brah

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I know you like DOOM. I like DOOM too. But not EVERYTHING has to be DOOM!!!

vast frost
#

DOOM-like

frigid vigil
#

Yeah, the games have a very unique style that works perfectly

brazen salmon
#

I know what the -like prefix means

vast frost
#

Give me the glory kills, the heavy metal, and the absurd mobility!

frigid vigil
#

Heretic was Doomesk with its combat system while Hexen focused more on its puzzles

vast frost
brazen salmon
frigid vigil
#

No, they need to stay very seperate

brazen salmon
#

You're the Doom vs DOOM guy I should've learned my lesson from that convo

frigid vigil
#

I enjoy them for 2 whole different reasons

vast frost
frigid vigil
#

Yeah but thats because its the same series

brazen salmon
#

That's not the same as combining the games into one game

vast frost
#

Hexen just has a more unique name than Heretic, better for the search engine

frigid vigil
#

I wouldn't enjoy Heretic with puzzles nor Hexen as a strictly fps game

brazen salmon
#

What happened to having unique franchises

#

We're just describing a fantasy NuDOOM atp

frigid vigil
#

This divide in their gameplay was made even stronger in their respective sequels

vast frost
frigid vigil
#

I mean Heretic 2 was third person

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Dude, I got into them around a year ago

brazen salmon
#

You don't need to be a longtime fan to understand that not every game has to play like DOOM

vast frost
#

I think they are cool and have reboot potential for the next ID game

brazen salmon
#

Would be very sad if you came into a franchise and made it identical to a preexisting one

frigid vigil
#

Quake is what should get a reboot

#

I would love a remake of Quake 1

brazen salmon
#

If they reboot Hexen it's not gonna have glory kills

#

It's not gonna be like Eternal

frigid vigil
#

Yeah, Heretic and Hexen would be more Dark Agey

vast frost
#

DOOM itself has a lot of gameplay variety between games already though

brazen salmon
#

So?

vast frost
frigid vigil
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The big diffences in Doom games is the arsenal

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That changes EVERYTHING

brazen salmon
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I'm out of this convo, no offense but I think the fact we're discussing whether Hexen should get an original reboot or just become a 2016 clone is sad

frigid vigil
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Yeah, its kinda sad

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I want remasters of the sequels and they can just drop the series

vast frost
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It shouldnā€™t be clone of anything, just a new original reboot with the best elements of previous ID games

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I mean is it too much to hope and ask for some more new DOOM metal albums and fun top tier FPS games in the future?

frigid vigil
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To hope is never too much, but to ask is a helluva lot more

vast frost
frigid vigil
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I get where you're come'n from but I just hope they keep Heretic and Hexen as different games and make them unique

ivory fjord
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I don't want to back seat game dev, because there are plenty of variables I have no clue about

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But from where I'm sitting, the reason they make DOOM games almost exclusively is because DOOM is the name that brings in attention, and is their only name that has any real name-brand recognition

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I'm sure they would love to make Hexen, and Quake, and Rage, but they can't really in the modern climate of things, so they have to play it more safe than they perhaps would like too

brazen salmon
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Tbf the last Quake they worked on came out 3 years ago

ivory fjord
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What game are you referring to?

brazen salmon
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Quake Champions

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RAGE 2 was 6 years ago too so I feel the playing it safe part would only apply for Hexen

ivory fjord
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Oh my bad, I was conflating it's early access and full release

brazen salmon
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But Activision is interested in a new Hexen so there's that at least

ivory fjord
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It's hard to say as just the average consumer unfortunately, but yeah you're probably right

brazen salmon
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I agree DOOM is currently the biggest one, to the point I've seen people confuse Wolf3D for a DOOM game, but Quake for example had a super high status at some point too. And as the remasters have shown, interest is still there, so I think they should take the risk

brazen salmon
ivory fjord
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It looks super fake

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Not saying it is, but it certainly looks that way

brazen salmon
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Oh it was real alright

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It looks like shit because it's AI slop, they also ran something like this for Crash Bandicoot and it looked incredibly amateurish

ivory fjord
brazen salmon
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The silver lining is that it shows they are considering more Hexen media, and honestly from my point of view the only id IP that won't be returning with a new game sometime soon is RAGE

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And, well, if H+H sold poorly, I also don't see Hexen getting more

frigid vigil
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If we donā€™t get more at least give us remastered versions of the sequels

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Hexen and Heretic II are both peak

normal vine
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Yes! Me want Hexen 2 on my PS5 with no floor clipping!

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And also Heretic 2 because it's literal abandonware and looks way too dope

frigid vigil
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Hexen 2 on PS5 would be peak

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Though itā€™d better A. Have keyboard and mouse support and B. Have the exploit where you go way faster when mashing A and D while going forward

pale pumice
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god bless strafe running

frigid vigil
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Oh

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And the Hexen 2 dlc better be an expansion with Demoness being playable for the og campaign

normal vine
frigid vigil
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Doesnā€™t have to if its a post game unlock or cheat code

normal vine
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I know. It can be like freeplay in Lego Games

frigid vigil
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Demoness is actually goated

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Though she still takes backseat to Paladin whoā€™s my favorite class

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Nothing beats that ice staff ong

pale pumice
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ive heard the deathmatch in hexen 2 is peak.. if it got a remaster or remake or whatever, the deathmatch tho!!!

normal vine
frigid vigil
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Iā€™ll get it eventually

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It just feels paladin-y

normal vine
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It would have made his arsenal more varied, since he has 3 conventionally melee weapons

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Still, I've already said this, but I would've liked Crusader's weapons to fit with his theme more, instead of being all over the place. Only the starter and the ultimate fit his holy warrior archetype

frigid vigil
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Yeah, at least he isnā€™t the assassin

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Her move set is probably the hardest to use

frigid vigil
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Man, I forgot how hard Hexen 2ā€™s second hub is

pale pumice
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is that the bs egypt one?

frigid vigil
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Yeah with the cat dudes

pale pumice
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that floor puzzle is from a circle of hell yet unmapped by man

frigid vigil
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Isnā€™t the floor puzzle in hub 3 the pyramids?

pale pumice
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idk. my memories of hexen 2 are v hazy

brazen salmon
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Man I really need to try to get into Hexen II

pale pumice
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i just remember that part

frigid vigil
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Yeah thats definitely Hub 3

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Cause it does Hub Of The Sun and then Egypt

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But they are both Egyptian themed

frigid vigil
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The game gives a lot but it goes fast

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Iā€™m doing a Demoness run and while sheā€™s op she uses tons of mana

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She also has awful defense, I got one tapped by a cat dude. From 108 to 0 due to my stupidity

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The game has tons of clipping attacks that do shit tons of damage instantly if youā€™re too clumsy

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Its damage per frame rather than a flat amount

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Honestly Hexen 2 is just hard

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All enemies are are demon time

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Especially the final hub enemies and there is no chill during Portals

median breach
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I played Hexen for the first time the other day. Its pretty fun

frigid vigil
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Thats good to hear

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The game is great outside of its map layout

pale pumice
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"you have discovered 1/16th of the puzzle!"

gray flower
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Played Heretic not for the first time, but for the first time in like 10 years. And it's still fun and frantic. Played Hexen and remembered why I dropped it

vast frost
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You know now that Iā€™m looking at it, Amid Evil kind of seems like a better and more modern version of Hexen/Heretic, is this true?

brazen salmon
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Better is obviously gonna be subjective

frigid vigil
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Iā€™ve yet to play Amid Evil but from what Iā€™ve seen it leans more towards Hexen 2 on crack

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But Iā€™ve seen so little of it I couldnā€™t really tell you too much

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I woke up to Civvie playing it one night

normal vine
frigid vigil
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Does anyone know if they are workā€™n on a UZ/GZ patch that works with Heretic and Hexens remasters?

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I canā€™t really find shit about it online

ember flame
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DOOM FUCKING SUCKS

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YOUR ALL LITTLE BITCHES

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AND LIVE UNDER A FUCKING BRIDGE

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Have a good day

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Or night

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Good bye.

austere yew
brazen salmon
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Who's gonna tell him this is the Hexen channel

austere yew
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I'm leaving his comments up bc he's gone and it's hilariously weird

brazen salmon
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Was he even in the server beforehand or just came in to say that

austere yew
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He joined 3 days ago

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Prob got to the Taras Nabad Master Level then decided he hates DoomšŸ’€

vast frost
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Also misspelled youā€™re, what a loser

solemn trout
inland halo
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Is Heretic + Hexen really worth my money? Investing in my gaming collection.

brazen salmon
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It is

normal vine
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Good evening, fellow heretics (and hexeneers, or something, I guess?)

normal vine
normal vine
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So as I was saying

brazen salmon
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@normal vine It was, but it's a DOOM remaster, it's inherently gonna drive in a larger audience than Hexen would

normal vine
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Damn

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So then, is the abandonware gonna stay abandonware forever?

brazen salmon
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Maybe they'll get off their ass and rerelease Heretic II someday. Maybe they'll just do a remaster. We can only wait

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Personally I think the most likely option is that it'll be stuck in the current state it is now, for a while at least

normal vine
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That's pretty depressing to think about

brazen salmon
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On the bright side, at least in Poland, Heretic II isn't really all that expensive thanks to CD-Action. If you have a potato rig capable of running the game it shouldn't be too hard to get ahold of it

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Portal of Praevus yeah that's atrocious but I don't think the attraction to expansion packs is stronger than base games, so Heretic II being available is a dominant victory imo

normal vine
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I still want to play both sequels on my PS5 while on my bed over a cup of lemonade, and I'm nowhere near Poland

brazen salmon
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Can't imagine it's too bad elsewhere, but I never really bothered to look so I dunno

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Wanting to play them on PS5 is fair. I'd love them on Xbox. But you can hook up a HDMI cable from PC to your TV, use a source port or joy2key for controller support, and that's done

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Of course I'm personally a little weird with stuff like this; I don't use widescreen if it's not officially supplied and the same applies to controller support. So for me this isn't something I can personally do

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But then again I'm not repulsed by keyboard + mouse

normal vine
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I'm still not losing faith. Curses are only created when humans believe in them

brazen salmon
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Philosophical

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I'd love to be proven wrong and see them get the treatment they deserve

normal vine
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This is about to be the greatest use of pygmalion effect ever

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Kinda

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Maybe

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I'm just going to act as if the Hexen 2 remaster is going to be a thing. Therefore, it will

brazen salmon
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Amen

normal vine
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Join the cause, sibling. Remember occasionally that the Hexen 2 remaster is coming out in 2026 because why wouldn't it?

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Mass pygmalion effect

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Oh wait, I've checked your bio, you're a brother. I'm sure you got the point anyways

brazen salmon
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Thanks (I have no bio)

normal vine
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It shows as he/him. I dunno what to call it

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Profile?

brazen salmon
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Oh you mean that

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Yeah profile works. That part specifically is the pronouns section

normal vine
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Should've said pronouns from the beginning

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Life is constant learning

brazen salmon
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True that

hot citrus
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So um question since Rise of the Triad is canon to the serpent rider games

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Does the game take place in any of their universes like Parthoris, Chronos or Tyrion (or wherever Hexen 2 takes place)

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Or is it in it's own universe

stable ice
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Greetings. The amount of difficulty getting here.... For real.

Right .. ok. Here's my issue. I posted in tech already. But just wondering if anyone else has had this bit of fubar.

Xbox
Heretic + HEXEN
Heretic multiplayer private co-op.
Cross play
No mods
No other settings changed.
E4M8 the shattered bridge

Has raised all bridge parts
Have found all secrets
Have yellow key
Has defeated all enemies up to boss battle
Has opened the yellow door
Has lowered the first wall
Has opened up the boss area via second switch
Has cleared the boss fight
CANNOT move past boss area wall as it teleports any player stepping on it to the start of the level
Level exit is beyond this wall. And cannot fly over it

Exited game.
Restarted level 3 times.
Each time same issue.

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Did not load save.
Restarted lobby each time different hosts. (3 of us playing together) No split screen

frigid vigil
hot citrus
frigid vigil
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But to answer the question the Heretic universe is where itā€™d take place

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I donā€™t remember what the Heretic world is called

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The ROT symbol is prevalent in only Heretic

normal vine
hot citrus
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Alright then

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Guess I'll have the 7th dimension (the world of Classic Doom and thus Wolfenstein and later Rise of the Triad) also be called Parthoris

brazen salmon
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Finished Hexen II and Heretic II a bit ago. Rerelease next year hopefully šŸ™

frigid vigil
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H2+H2 tomorrow

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Now we need a drawing of Corvus with the hopium needle

hot citrus
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https://youtu.be/2dvTjg8lYRw?si=ZatF5wPctzun3nAD I wonder if Heretic 2 is before or after Faith Renewed

YouTube
Nostalgic Games
JC's Heretic II Longplay - Intro

Heretic II is an action adventure game. It was made by Raven Software and was published by Activision. It came out in 1998. The game uses the Id Tech 2 engine which was used in Quake 2.

Ah yes, Heretic II. When I saw it on the shelf in some store I didn't even know what it was it just looked somehow interesting so I decided to buy it blind. To...

ā–¶ Play video
brazen salmon
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Faith Renewed is a sequel to SotSR which I'm pretty sure Heretic II decanonizes, so neither

hot citrus
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I was thinking that the new episode added in Shadow of the Serpent Riders was just Corvus during his wandering period between Heretic 1 and 2

brazen salmon
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Not entirely impossible either

frigid vigil
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I forget Heretics sub name is SotSR

brazen salmon
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It's like The Ultimate DOOM

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The original release name was Heretic with just the first three episodes, then they dropped SotSR with two more

frigid vigil
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Yeah

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Like Hollow Knight: Voidheart Edition

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Man, replaying Heretic is a pain because of those last 2 episodes

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Iā€™ve been playing Heretic yearly usually leading up to my birthday

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Iā€™ll get up early in the morning and play one episode a day on the Crispy Heretic port

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But those last 2 episodes really hammer in the idea of panic and desperation Corvus has to go through after killing the only actual Serpent Rider

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I might start playing Faith Renewed with it

night siren
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i see hexen on sale

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on steam. might have to get it ngl

frigid vigil
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You should

normal vine
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or else...

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Nah, just kidding. Give it a shot

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It's pretty fun

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I got it for full price and I have no regrets

vapid harness
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Someone says "HERETICS or HERESY"?!

frigid vigil
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Playing Heretic with Doom guns is fun

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SSGing the Iron Liches and the Minotaur guys is so fun

night siren
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Holy shit my brother bought me the hexen and heretic bundle on Steam

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Was on my wishlist

frigid vigil
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Nice

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Great games, especially the sequels

frigid vigil
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Hexen II just got a mod that basically reworks the game into being more like Hexen 1 and its actually kinda cool

brazen salmon
normal vine
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Archaic videogame articles. YUM!

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Where did you find them at? Internet archive? I've already read through the manuals for the four games plenty of times and I need some new lore, in-universe or real life

brazen salmon
hot citrus
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Probably a no brainer but which voice for D'Sparil do you prefer

normal vine
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I like the Heretic 2 a lot. The Spanish dub, which features some mixed voice acting and a HORRIBLE translation is also pretty nice, but I don't like it as much just by a tiny margin

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I wonder if Nightdive will keep these ancient dubs if they remaster the game and save it from the dark abyss of abandonware. Like, it's sometimes hilariously bad, but it's videogame history, right? And if it wasn't for that full walkthrough of the game I found, it would be lost to time

brazen salmon
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I think they're both nice but it is nice to actually understand what he's saying in 2 lol

normal vine
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It's also a voice I picture him having, being the youngest of the riders and one whose greatest asset is his cunning

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Generic super deep voice isn't really of my liking. Though I like to quote the "ravens shall chew on your flesh" occasionally

hot citrus
brazen salmon
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To play devil's advocate, the younger sibling having a raspier voice is a cartoony occurence...

frigid vigil
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Iā€™m sure Nightdive would add an option for og voice acting

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Its too good of an opportunity to pass up