New season benchmarks news

[flint knot]

I can easily hit gold but I am more than 130 away from plat in Intermediate

[hazy folio]

?

idk what you mean with buckets

It's not been pushed at all, but either way we'll know soon enough, not too worried about it rn

[uncut elk]

i mean like how many levels of energy are possible within ranks for each scenario

or how does it work if not that way

[hazy folio]

Novice for sure, idk about intermediate

maybe slight if we do, but imo it's rlly not that hard for int

[hazy folio]

There's no levels of energy

If you meet the score target for a certain rank it awards you with the energy threshold of that rank, and your 6 subcategories average = your final energy

Pushing score closer to the next rank awards more energy

[narrow rapids]

isnt there a cap

like ik its not possible to hit it but it only awards up to a certain amount on novice int and adv

[uncut elk]

how many levels of this are there per rank?

[hazy folio]

yeah there's a cap for novice, int and advanced

advanced caps at celestial

[narrow rapids]

is celestial a changing benchmarkj

like ascended

i forget what it is

[hazy folio]

novice caps at a lil bit over gold, int a lil bit over master

celestial is top 3, with minimum score for it to be considered a celestial score

[narrow rapids]

ohh

ok

[hazy folio]

the minimum score is implemented so that people who hit astra aren't automatically celestial

[narrow rapids]

do you know if you can be celestial without a single point in dynamic

[hazy folio]

you can only be celestial by having celestial in all 6 subcategories

[narrow rapids]

ok thx

since it caps at celestial

makes sense

@hazy folio Do you know if there will be another leaderboard reset? In other words can i start grinding the scens for scores now

[formal yarrow]

It will be reset

[grave igloo]

thougt you can reach every rank buy having the energy, just for complete you need the required score in each subcategory?

[quasi light]

for complete you need every scenario

[grave igloo]

this is what i ment but you could reach astra for example with only some astra scores if you have enough energy in general, right?

[quasi light]

yes

[grave igloo]

awesome! i love the new system

[quasi light]

https://i.gyazo.com/b6fb2579135760c2a4d5467abdfb7ea5.png

[grave igloo]

yours? ah experiment

[quasi light]

you can experiment with your sheet and kinda see what scores you need to get to your desired rank's energy

no, I just gave an example

[grave igloo]

thought you are a giga clicker haha

This is mine currently

[quasi light]

you need to get an updated sheet

[grave igloo]

whis is absolute mindblowing, imagine you apply for plat in S3 with only 3 plat scores

[quasi light]

your energy is calculated with sum of subcategory energy, rn it takes AVG of your subcategory energy

[grave igloo]

how is the energy calculated? can I traslate my score in energy with a formula?
=min(Advanced!H$19, max( is this some advanced math?

[daring trout]

Where's the updated sheet?

[quasi light]

in #announcements

it also has avg score

if you'd like to track that too

[daring trout]

hmm maybe mine was already updated bc mine stayed more or less the same

[rare yoke]

wait so now the updated scores are in #announcements

[chilly anchor]

Is there a way to prevent the auto updater from taking old scores when updating the progress sheet? Mine also adds the highscores from before last changes/ldb wipes.

[tardy zodiac]

U can delete old scores from stats folder in kvk

[chilly anchor]

Cheers, will have a look at that tomorrow 👌

[strong nimbus]

air varied scores is so high

[floral ginkgo]

Sharing open beta scores (newest bench is last image): https://imgur.com/a/W7sEq96

I honestly don't know how I hit my diamond score in VT bounceTS intermediate lol, I've been struggling to get even a plat average in it right now.

[quick burrow]

yeah bounce ts feels a bit hard, i struggled before but i felt i was able to get the score if i tried

but now i cant really get the flow

[floral ginkgo]

yeah, bounceTS just feels kinda inconsistent and I can't really put my finger on exactly why.

[slate stream]

hi if you're free to maybe help test some changes please reach out. ik you don't have the 8fps frame drops, but you seem to be able to recreate the lag and I need some help testing 🙂

[hazy folio]

@astral pewter

[floral ginkgo]

Hey! I have some time. What do you need?

[slate stream]

what brand is your gpu if you know

[floral ginkgo]

I have an NVIDIA RTX 2070 Super

[stark olive]

VT ground varied scores for each rank need to be adjusted. i am iron or bronze on every other scenario, but on this one i scored almost 300 higher than gold

[quick burrow]

same with me

[oak ravine]

yeah thats what my friends in novice said as well

[wanton hazel]

complete oppisite for me ^

really cant get it back to jade after the changes its been a struggle

[oak ravine]

Idk about the intermediate one

Haven't been keeping up with all the changes

[astral pewter]

Hi, I have this 8fps lag and I can help you with that, just @ me

My GPU is RX 580

[astral pewter]

Just played it

1st bot works fine

No fps drops, 8fps etc.

[astral pewter]

but my score on leaderboard is not showing up

[oak ravine]

Yeah same for 1w5t

[worn egret]

why "VT SkyStrafe Intermediate" is so lag!?

like 5 fps

lol

[grave igloo]

Can you get an "energy limit"?
im at 450 now in novice and need 400 for gold, how far can yo even push the 450 energy?

[grave igloo]

is this better or worse?

[limpid fable]

are u supposed to just spam A + D on pillstrafe?

[worn egret]

i do

[limpid fable]

Ah ok gotcha

[narrow rapids]

@grave igloo

and advanced caps at celestial

[flint knot]

pretty much sure that its 500

[rare gate]

Old s3 benchmarks for KovaaKs

New s4 open beta benchmarks

Feels as if new season is very forgiving in a way, considering i can't get plat on 3 scenario's but still able to get diamond ranked.

[oak ravine]

Lmao

Those are the exact same scenarios i struggle with

[astral pewter]

I struggle with Air Varied, bounceTS, Multiclick and bounceshot

[grave igloo]

okay so you cannot reach intermediate energy in novice level, got it

[flint knot]

you need 500 energy for plat. I'm not really sure if it starts exactly at 500 or at 501

[grave igloo]

500
so this means my gold would cap at 499 for example

[upbeat barn]

500 yeah

[tardy zodiac]

Energy level don't transfer

From novice to intermediate

If u start intermediate, u will start from 0 energy

[grave igloo]

i know that, just means you cannot get like 1000 energy in novice, its caped

[tardy zodiac]

There r no reason to go higher than max rank energy

[grave igloo]

sure, just wondering why mynovice energy is 457
thought 400 is cap but now every question is answered

[signal delta]

How many kils for gm sky ts

[winged marsh]

I do like the new scenarios especially for dynamic and reactive. ts scores feel about right for both int and adv. precise tracking and static master and gm ranks could be made a bit easier imho because I could easily reach master+ any day. hard to compare new dynamic and react scenarios but feel equally hard to me. ps rip fuglaa and aa4

[hazy folio]

It's meant to be harder

I think TS is actually too easy

It has always been relatively easier sadly

[winged marsh]

a whole rank harder though? easily getting master-gm+ any day vs not even getting master.. yeah ts has always been the easiest category for me as well but scores feels balanced with the new season so maybe those haven't been made harder yet

[hazy folio]

Yes chris

If it wasn't raised that much it'd be extremely easy to reach your desired rank, because the energy system allows you to get ranks without necessarily meeting all its rank thresholds

You get rewarded for pushing your scores further and you can compensate for your weaknesses

This is a good thing as well

[spare shell]

I just want to wish good luck to people going for astra

[hazy folio]

Makes everyone earn it back with a good amount of effort and makes the higher ranks feel more rewarding as well, since the intended difficulty of last season was too low

[winged marsh]

I can see how you can compensate between categories, like TS making up for reactive as a weakness, but not within say precise or static as they're both harder so even the stronger scenario is still a rank behind. but if the whole last season was too easy then I can't judge that very well anyway, I can only compare the two so far

[hazy folio]

I think they'll have a pretty good time

😈

[spare shell]

Can't wait for people to play 1000 runs on air to learn every possible pattern just to get 4200

[hazy folio]

That happens anyway

Always going to be the case for the top of the top scores

[spare shell]

Idk if anyone ever suffered that much for a rank

I just don't even see a way to do it

[hazy folio]

I mean I think you're worried about nothing atm

[spare shell]

Probably

[hazy folio]

you can't really have high ranks and then have them not be grindy

unless u want to make it incredibly easy

and if you do that it takes away the challenge of getting it and the satisfaction that comes with that

and it's possible that the top end is overtuned, but overtuned is better than too easy, since if we buff things that's always worse than nerfing

people are only really going to start trying when they're out

[timber sluice]

wonder who still has nightmares of the air ufo

[spare shell]

I was just hoping the threshold for each rank doesn't get affected by percentage of people getting it, so you think there is too many GM+ and you buffing scores, but that literally makes the same 10 people who grind scens 10h a day raise the bar even higher which means deranking for other people

Imo it was normal that amount of GM+ people increases

[hazy folio]

That's very situational

If there's 600 gms in one scenario

and only 30 in another

it defo is a good indication

that one has an easier path to the rank

[spare shell]

There are 112k masters in apex rn

[hazy folio]

yes apex rank system is in the worst state it has ever been

[spare shell]

And that's the highest rank basically

[hazy folio]

everyone is talking about it

it's terrible

[spare shell]

So you expect GM be like top50?

[hazy folio]

there's massive rank disparity in apex within those ranks, because there's no demotion and apparently this season of apex is the easiest it has ever been

I don't know what to expect, I think it's more like we will see

[spare shell]

Even not taking this season in particular, usually in games highest ranks are more than 5k people

[hazy folio]

You can't really compare this with in-game, we're talking about much different scales

Games with concurrent players that are 10-100x the size of aim training

[spare shell]

True, we can take 0.1 percent of this discord population, which is around 55 people

[hazy folio]

We can't

Even though our discord is large not everyone participates and grinds the benchmarks for the highest available ranks

[spare shell]

Same for games

[hazy folio]

But the ones that do

Play it for considerable amounts

Idk where you are trying to go with this honestly

[spare shell]

I mean this is a discussion I thought

I can shut up if you want I don't mind

[hazy folio]

I think it's a good shift to increase the difficulty as the energy system makes the whole thing a whole lot more forgiving and the standards being raised raises the skill ceiling

So next time someone hits astra everyone will be once again impressed

[spare shell]

More than just impressed

[hazy folio]

It's funny because I've been doing this for like 2? or is it like 3 years now

and everytime there was new people saying it's too hard or impossible

and then people break those records and prove them wrong

[spare shell]

Pepelaugh

[hazy folio]

the same happened with 1w6ts

1550~ was rank 1 for sooooo long

now it's like up in the 1700s

More and more people helping each other sharing knowledge etc.

It's only going to go up

[winged marsh]

I share this concern though, because I thought ranks were kind of comparable between seasons and I would not want to try to keep up with others' grinds raising the requirements (esp by whole ranks per season). Then again if it's not meant to be a stable objective standard and the targets keep moving I may just continue playing s3 or even sparky ranks for myself, it would only affect discord ranks right?

[hazy folio]

It's been an entire year since last season

And we don't intent to have seasons be a common thing

Probably yearly is good maybe 6 months at most

And yeah you could play the old ones if u prefer

Affects discord rank and aim lab in-game

[quasi light]

I'm totally ok with the new changes tbh, extra challenge is always good until it's in the borders of possibility to get the rank and since I didn't stop aimtraining after s3 I transitioned well into the same rank in s4 +nova is very much doable

[grave igloo]

Will there also be new Fundamentals to the S4 or do we stay with Fundamentals 2.0?

[zealous hound]

We will stay with fundamental 2.0 they’re still very good

[grave igloo]

I will stay until there is sth new 🙂

[grave igloo]

Did the v1.1 novice benchmarks and ranked silver
previously gold, which means i do Gold fundamentals nOw or silver?

[rare gate]

It’s still beta. I’d stay with current benchmarks until they are officially released.

[tardy zodiac]

Will you change some scenarios there?

[quick burrow]

if a lot of the community really dont like the new s4 benchmarks would you consider replacing some of the s4 scens with the old s3 benchmarks

like wide wall back instead of multi click

etc..

[daring trout]

I actually quite like the new benchmarks even though i had better scores on the s3 ones

[winged marsh]

are any scens disliked that much?

[quick burrow]

i was just wondering, people dont really like how easy they and how high the scores are

well the people ive talked too

anyway

[hazy folio]

The benchmark and fundamental scenarios are completely independent, so there's no need to. We may make some changes, but for now there's really no need.

[hazy folio]

I have been tracking what the community has been saying and following feedback carefully, and I haven't noticed this at all. I also don't think that the few people you talked to speak for everyone else. You must also not forget that we have our own team of people that provides us with feedback when we determined the scenarios and changes. Not to mention that just because someone doesn't like something it, doesn't mean it's bad.

Regardless if you do have feedback you can place it via our form https://bit.ly/voltaicfeedback

[uncut elk]

from the perspective of a worse player, they seem way more fun and less grindy than the s3

[quick burrow]

hmmmm maybe im just used the s3 ones

[uncut elk]

yeah for example multiclick 120 is more fun than ww3t and the new smoothbot isn't about how high you can make your sens any more

[formal yarrow]

How far until the new season is out? It must be pretty close 👀

I find the new scenes more enjoyable than the last ones, pgti was

[hazy folio]

Yes, we're closing in on the new season, sadly there's still a bug on one or more of the scenarios

One of the movement scenarios isn't rewarding movement scoring at all

[formal yarrow]

Thanks for the update

[grave igloo]

with the adjustments it became way more difficult to me, i jumped down 30 energy in intermediate and from gold to silver

[glad phoenix]

No

[wintry junco]

"yes" but im sure ppl also disliked s3 when it came arround, change is rarely met with instant excitement

ive seen some huge shitshows in other aim discords that talk about s4 tho

but i have no idea what the general population might think

we cant change it anyway so just gotta accept it

im defo against making the scenarios super easy and justcranking up the scores, but they did that across the board for intermediate

although i think a general buff like they have applied was a good thing, ranks should feel hard.

[terse hare]

i like getting de-ranked. however i think it's odd that the benchmarks are harder when there is an introduction of a new rank at the bottom

[wintry junco]

because many ppl couldnt get bronze when they started out

thats legit the only reason

iron >>>> unranked

[hazy folio]

Yeah people love to complain about things

[terse hare]

ahh that makes sense then. help get people started

[hazy folio]

Most of the feedback from the majority of people has been positive

I don't think the scenarios are super easy at all, not sure how you came to that conclusion

Novice seems to be at a level that makes sense for Iron-Gold

[terse hare]

i personally like the new scenarios, especially not having to do the long old ground plaza. plus who cares if the ranks are harder to reach. if you trying to be better then get better 😄

[hazy folio]

And Intermediate seems to be at a level that makes sense for Plat - Master

[wintry junco]

plat shouldnt have been included imo

the tasks are too easy

esp for master players

[hazy folio]

Many of the Master players when they were playing the harder scenes, were still hard struggling to play them properly and barely averaged master

[wintry junco]

pgti was my fav scenario now its obese pgti

[zealous hound]

you can still play the old pgti it never went away

pgti is my personal fav as well

[hazy folio]

Exactly!

[wintry junco]

very based. i just think its a bit sad that nearly everything got overworked

feels like it was a bit too much at times

[hazy folio]

Yep, having a lower entry rank for people was nice, but making it too easy would be rewarding bad aim too much

[wintry junco]

but thanks for the effort anyway

[hazy folio]

There's also a gazillion people giving feedback, if we listen to everyone we end up listening to no one :)

[wintry junco]

im suprised so many ppl gave feedback

thats good tho

[zealous hound]

I'm not really too fond of the precedence set that every benchmark must be 25% acc for a gm score i mean what are you really benchmarking? how well you can predict the bot because its so small and hard to hit

thats just my opinion

[hazy folio]

But I think we have a pretty good intuition on what works, heck we've been running the benches for about 3 years now and the team working on them and the ones creating the scenarios are responsible for the best scenes to date

So I'm confident that the changes are good

[zealous hound]

also these benchmarks were indeed sculpted by the community we listened to alot of feedback and its what the community wanted 🙂

[hazy folio]

Obviously it's never going to perfect and there's many different ways for them to be considered good

Many different perspectives and angles you can take with them

[zealous hound]

yeah, everybody has their different opinion on what's good

[wintry junco]

can i ask what the general opinion was regarding making the intermediate benches a lot easier

besides the team

[hazy folio]

Also I've said this many times over, but the energy system is really forgiving, even with the score target changes

If the score targets weren't buffed this much, it would be extremely easy to get ranks

[zealous hound]

also i just wanted to add, a vocal minority doesn't really represent the whole community, if they were genuinely too easy or bad, we'd get a lot more negative feedback in general

[hazy folio]

Especially given enough time

[zealous hound]

but overall, we love feedback and appreciate it all

👍

[hazy folio]

Be specific here, which scenarios got easier?

Most of them are about the same

[wintry junco]

PGTI, Smoothbot, evats

easier as in way higher acc

[hazy folio]

Well people wanted a more consistent smoothbot

So ofc that's going to raise the acc

[wintry junco]

yeah but why make it super slow

smoothbot not slowbot

[quasi light]

they're easier to hit, but the scores are higher as well, so what's EASY about them??

[wintry junco]

easier to hit, u answered it yourself

never said the target scores are easier

xd

[zealous hound]

because the acceleration made it feel like reactivity according to feedback we received

[wintry junco]

i like the net buff

[quasi light]

if they're easier to hit it doesnt mean the scen is easier lol

[wintry junco]

damn okey yeah thats fair

[hazy folio]

Also to make it more consistent the bot had to also be slowed down

[zealous hound]

people wanted a genuine precision smoothbot

[hazy folio]

Because the thing that was used for it

[wintry junco]

fair

[hazy folio]

Would make the bot go so incredibly fast

Idm raising the speed a bit more though, but I haven't seen anyone comment on it until now

[wintry junco]

yeah ig if that what most ppl want thats fine

i dislike it but im 1/50k

[winged marsh]

I'm finding these changes along with the new master target scores push me to higher levels of control/accuracy that I needed and was maybe neglecting on the way to gm+

[quasi light]

you can always play the advanced one, it's harder to hit

[wintry junco]

i rllllllllly enjoy the advanced ones

no joke

they are amazing

but im too bad to get gm yet

[hazy folio]

Yeah that as well we wanted to make sure you can noticeably feel when you're on novice, intermediate and advanced benches respectively

[wintry junco]

yeah fair, thanks for explaining

controlsphere for a bench someday

[hazy folio]

evaTS I haven't noticed as much getting easier

[zealous hound]

yeah, we wanted to make sure the other levels were forming better habits before making their way to the harder levels because pgti was wayyyyyyyyyy too hard for example for lower level players and it made the jump from intermediate to advanced insane because theyre not really learning anything if they cant even hit the bot i think master was like 20% back in the day

[hazy folio]

controlsphere is a nice scene for improvement, idk if it'd be a great orfor bench

[wintry junco]

precise tracking

[hazy folio]

obv it would go under precise ye

[zealous hound]

well we kinda do have a scenario similar to controlsphere in AL benchmarks

[winged marsh]

I had this issue with the jump from easy to advanced air and gp, feels nice to actually be able to track the intermediate targets now and just work on higher acc%

[zealous hound]

happy to hear that <3

[hazy folio]

[wintry junco]

the new gp bot is perfect, trackstop abuse

easy score

[zealous hound]

one thing i do agree is the smoothbot is a little slow

we just have to play around with it to find that nice balance

so i think we can increase the speed a little bit, just not too much to avoid the problem with it last season

🙏

[zealous hound]

cool this helps alot thank you

[wintry junco]

np chief

[zealous hound]

helps us do a little bit more balancing

[wintry junco]

air defo needs to get easier or gp needs a massive buff

[oak ravine]

i would send mine but i stopped at dia complete

[zealous hound]

were cranking up smoothbot speed a little bit rn

[oak ravine]

i didnt try for the advanced ones because it was nearing the end of the season

[wintry junco]

my scores are a bit inaccurate since i havent touched most benches in quite a while after i got jade on it

so assume everything is a big higher

excluding static (fuck static uwu)

[oak ravine]

really excited for when s4 comes out

[winged marsh]

oh I have a question; is it right that most of the multiclick targets spawn on the lower half of the map so it's mostly aiming down a bit? is that intentional?

[flint knot]

So will S4 comw out after fixing the rest of bugs?

[wintry junco]

idk to me it seems that PreciseOrb intermediate seems a lot harder than smoothbot

even in general

i avgd jade pgti easily but i couldnt get jade preciseorb in a few trys and i avg low borderline diamond at best

the target score would prolly be enough at 2400 instead of 2500 for jade

i know its supposed to be harder but it feels way harder in relation to the other tasks

[wise hornet]

Will there be any more score changes?

[wintry junco]

Pgti seems to be about 1 rank harder for most ppl, glad im not the only one

Evats kinda rly hard compared to kinTS

[wanton hazel]

i havent done too much of the new season yet because ive been busy and sick, but for me i feel bounceTS and evaTS is a little harder but im still adjusting to it. preciseorb definitely feels a little harder for some reason and im not sure why because i felt like old pgti was not only smaller but faster and more erratic so idk what the deal is there other than i havent been playing much pgti lately LMAO

my scores arent the best on them but i really enjoy the strafe scenes theyre enjoyable and ive always wanted some decent movement scenes to do

[wintry junco]

To my suprise pill strafe is insanely easy eventho i never played movement aiming before

Its a free master score imo

[wanton hazel]

i only ran it once and it was when these benches just came out so it may have changed or i just wasnt trying very much

[wintry junco]

Pgti just feels so much harder due to a quite high target score

Maybe im just bad

Can also be the case

[wanton hazel]

im bad and i agree its harder

[glad phoenix]

pgti seems harder but in general the smoothbot jade score in specific seems really easy

the gap between master and jade on smoothbot is insane

Actually its the same for precise orbti nvm

[junior lantern]

is there an eta on the new benchmarks or just whenever they're finished ?

[quick burrow]

they fixing some bugs and working on the scores then release should hopefully be soon

[junior lantern]

cool

[astral pewter]

cool

[limpid thicket]

hi

4800 for master spheretrack intermediate

idk

seems a little much

[terse hare]

did something happen to VT 1w5ts Intermediate's scoring system? no shot i have 970 as a score

[zealous hound]

For AL or kvk

[hazy folio]

New season benchmarks news

[terse hare]

kovaaks. the scoring is now x10 of the targets hit

[hazy folio]

• scores are being multiplied by 10x to have consistent scaling across the board

for the scenes that need it ofc

[terse hare]

gotcha gotcha, was referencing the google sheet to see if numbers changed and was confused. im trying to get nerfed not buffed

[hazy folio]

• some bugs with the strafes scenes that had unintentional timescaling affecting the scenario length, this is now being fixed + score targets are being scaled proportionally

• VT Spheretrack Advanced has a bug where it didn't get difficulty increase similarly the Novice version didn't get a difficulty decrease (trying to solve this with AL)
• On Aim Lab the Advanced Benchmark playlist has a few scenarios that can't be added to the playlist, we're looking into this with AL

[wanton hazel]

i assume the current advanced score reqs are just placeholders while the scenes are adjusted, but still just wanted to send this just in case

[wintry junco]

pasu has a new scoring?

oh a ton of stuff got wiped

[uncut elk]

was evats changed recently?

i can't get close to my high score

[wintry junco]

bunch were spreadsheet should be updated later

[quick burrow]

got excited seeing new season benchmarks then see its just updates

must be soon tho cant wait

[astral pewter]

Yeah

[hazy folio]

Score targets should be fixed now

Also PillStrafe is now PatStrafe

Better name, and should have fixed the caching issue where some people were stuck on an earlier version of the scenario

[quick burrow]

imagine benchs released today

https://tenor.com/view/not-me-ops-my-bad-its-not-like-that-gif-16464668

[limpid thicket]

sorry im dumb does this mean benches(specifially AL) are done now? like score wise at least

[wise hornet]

thanks for the hard work sini and the team!

[hazy folio]

No, but it's close, Spheretrack had a bug where it wouldn't update the scenario

We had raised the difficulty at Advanced, and reduced it at Novice

Going to see if that's fixed today, and then adjust score targets

[oak ravine]

lets gooo

[wintry junco]

Any tasks where you need additional feedback for the score adjustments?

Maybe we can all help

[quick burrow]

[limpid thicket]

okay ty

[quick burrow]

i like this and think it will defiantly help

[hazy folio]

VT Spheretrack Novice, Intermediate and Advanced would be useful to compare score targets again

Adjusted TS scores and Strafe scenes as well

[wintry junco]

I can run some TS scores for intermediate if u need feedback

Dont have AL

[hazy folio]

VT Swaywitch Advanced and VT Waveshot Advanced in Aim Lab

[hazy folio]

yep that works

I think from what I saw TS are the easiest scores to achieve

[winged marsh]

oof new skyts scores

has the actual scen been changed as well? nobody has even reached this gm score

[limpid thicket]

well idk if my feedback can be taken with any real consideration given im not a prominent name around here but i think the spheretrack and steady track scores are too inflated rn

and suavetrack scenario might be too easy

intermediate

can only really talk about tracking because its my strongest point

[hazy folio]

Which one tho

We just raised the difficulty on Spheretrack Advanced

[limpid thicket]

.

[hazy folio]

All intermediate?

[limpid thicket]

yeah

maybe wait for more feedback

[hazy folio]

what do you mean with inflated? Score targets too high?

[limpid thicket]

yeah

steady track most especially

suavetrack i think the scenario is just too easy

[wintry junco]

Avg of 5 trys on b180t: 65.7 (range +-2) // Avg of 5 trys on BounceTS Intermediate: 700 (range 680-730)

and i have to heavily disagree

VT evaTS Intermediate is waaaaaaaaaay too hard

the score requirement needs to be lowered quite a bit

barely anyone got master

and its waaayy harder than bounceTS

[wintry junco]

Pasu = ok
bounceshot = ok

1w5ts intermediate = too hard (but i suck at static)
Multiclick 120 = also too hard imo

Smoothbot = ok
PreciseOrb = too hard

GP = ok
Air = maybe slightly too hard

Psalm = super easy (buff needed)
SkyTS = ok

evaTS = needs huge nerf
BoounceTS = ok

my 2 cents

its a common trend that one of the scenarios in the same sub ccategory is harder than the other one

by quite a bit

[limpid thicket]

i feel like if you had some diamonds grind each section for like one day or somn and took their average scores and accuracy then scaled the diff between each rank based on how much accuracy affects the scores you could get a pretty good idea of how it should look

because honestly since i see the gms and novas mostly on top of the lbs im assuming you had them play for some feedback

but when only gms/novas can get master scores sometimes and even only barely it might be worth looking into

talking of AL

but you have been doing this wayyyy longer than me so yeah

[wintry junco]

okey small edit; got a 72 on b180t, can BAAREELLY get jade on bounceTS

[hazy folio]

are you sure about the ts stuff, I only just fixed the score targets after we changed from damage based scoring back to kill based

[hazy folio]

Already pretty much happened, those targets are pretty close imo

Compared sheets and stuff

[hazy folio]

Difficulty has risen, makes sense if a master can't hit master now unless they put in the time and push their scores further

[wintry junco]

which ones are yo unsure about? i can run em again

[hazy folio]

eva and skyts had their values changed

[wintry junco]

okey give me 20

[limpid thicket]

ah okaay

didnt know the idea was to make it harder

are you sure about steadytrack tho? i mean im like no 6 on suave rn and cant hit diamond on steady

[astral pewter]

so it's time to grind again

[wintry junco]

man idk evaTS seems still way too hard

i couldnt even get diamond

and im fairly decent at evasive

i basically got 620 8 times

[astral pewter]

@quick burrow rip my pasu

[wintry junco]

PatStrafe is too easy

master should be jade or something like that

master is basically 50% acc

quite low

[hazy folio]

Intermediate as well right?

[wintry junco]

yes

[hazy folio]

If you want to convert your old scores to kill based scoring we used or to adjust for the change in scoring/timescale

-- Converted from damage to kill score --
skyTS (OLD SCORE / 8 *10)
evaTS (OLD SCORE / 12) * 10

-- Unintentionally long and scores changed to be in the 1000s intead --
PatStrafe (OLDSCORE * 0.2) * 0.96
SkyStrafe OLDSCORE * 0.2

-- These scenarios were unintentionally long, so we scaled the scores proportionally --
AngleStrafe (OLDSCORE * 0.9) * 10
BounceStrafe (OLDSCORE * 0.941) * 10

---

Spreadsheet can handle this for you guys btw

Example

You can put it in a cell with = and it will auto calculate for you

---

For Pasu, Bounceshot, 1w5ts, Multiclick you can simply multiply by 10

[quick burrow]

LMAO if you can get it once you can get it again besides you wanna go further so that score will mean nothing when you pb again

[astral pewter]

yes

well

If I can convert my old scores

then it's fine

[hazy folio]

Nerfed evats by 30, and idk i feel like that might be too easy

[astral pewter]

that's how it looks like now

after converting it

[hazy folio]

[limpid thicket]

@hazy folio eta on AL release?

[haughty bolt]

will you reset the leaderboards on release

[tardy zodiac]

They should

[haughty bolt]

I think a reset would be a good idea if a major changes had been done to a specific scenario. Doesn't make much sense to reset the leaderboards otherwise. Resetting for no reason would only discourage people from playing the new benchmarks before release

[wintry junco]

I honestly think thats now on par with the difficulty of bouncets and where it should be (debatable if -30 or -20 nerf, either prolly good)

If you are unsure just ask a couple more ppl to compare the 2

[pastel cloud]

when will leaderboards rest?

[wintry junco]

When s4 drops, eta this or next week

[timber sluice]

imma try both again later to compare

[quick burrow]

yeah i think air is a little too hard to get

[timber sluice]

yeah I think air has always been harder than gp

even back in older seasons

[heady nova]

This is as of right now

Pasu = Good scoring
bounceshot = Good scoring

1w5ts intermediate = Maybe a little too hard
Multiclick 120 = Too difficult

Smoothbot = Decent
PreciseOrb = No words on this, since i never play these types of scenarios

GP = Decent, i can get GM but cant hit master
Air = A little too hard

Psalm = Good scored
SkyTS = Good scoring

evaTS = Good scoring
BoounceTS = Good scoring

[timber sluice]

could prob bring air down by like 50-75

if necessary

[strong nimbus]

real

[hazy folio]

Buffed PatStrafe btw @wintry junco

I think it's in a good spot now

[wintry junco]

Sheet updated?

[hazy folio]

ye it auto updates on everyone's sheets

[wintry junco]

Ill check it out, good call thanks

[wintry junco]

Yes 100% agree, good buff

2900 feels very fair

3200 also

[hazy folio]

[hazy folio]

👀

[heady nova]

sini, multiclick is def too hard

[wintry junco]

Static got a fat buff

Prolly cuz so many static mains push the category 💀

[heady nova]

i was almost gm last season static

i hit diamond on multi

[timber sluice]

multi is the same

as it was

[heady nova]

multi wasnt a thing last season

kvk

[timber sluice]

ik I mean before the score changes

[wintry junco]

Ww3t is the closest to compare

[heady nova]

yeah but it was still too hard there

[wintry junco]

And ww3t was a cake walk compared to multiclick

[timber sluice]

still same amount of hits

[heady nova]

how many even had master on it

[timber sluice]

idr

[heady nova]

like 170 hits

[wintry junco]

Gm+ static mains

Slapped has nova static and has like 180 or so

[heady nova]

its just keeping 2.83 cps, while being precise no misses

that is 170

and the cps is constant

[winged marsh]

tbh for me master-gm static they seem alright, Im only a couple points off master. master scores are in a good place imho except maybe air and ground but I cant judge those since Im barely out of dia on them for either season

[wintry junco]

Ground is super easy or just balanced

Air is too much

[wintry junco]

Do you feel any difference in difficulty between master and gm static?

Friend of mine thinks they are equally hard (and has both scores)

Which is super odd since gm got a big buff

[heady nova]

i mean the intermediate one feels weird

like i got gm on it

[winged marsh]

how do you mean exactly? between master and gm or between the two scens for master and gm scores or between seasons?

[heady nova]

but cant get master on intermediate

[wintry junco]

Difficulty between 1w5ts and 1w3ts

[hazy folio]

GP = Decent, i can get GM but cant hit master
wait

[wintry junco]

Master and gm score

[hazy folio]

then the GM score is prolly too low

cuz the level that you need for gp master

[quick burrow]

yeah intermediate scores feel high

[hazy folio]

is good imo

[heady nova]

let me go check the accs i had

[wintry junco]

Yes gp is perfect

[heady nova]

on each different one

[quick burrow]

(air)

[winged marsh]

huge gap for me because of the tiny targets on 1w3ts

[wintry junco]

@true cipher u find them equally hard no?

[winged marsh]

I have to get used to multiclick though, that should be factored in as well. cant expect to do equally well as ww3 on them right away

[heady nova]

first is on advanced

[hazy folio]

ye advanced prolly needs buff by 200

then it's good

[heady nova]

how come my ttk is lower on advanced

[hazy folio]

i do not know

ground varied has changed a lot

but looks like you played those quite recently

[heady nova]

this is just for reference

[wintry junco]

Kinda everyone thinks air is too hard, can you adjust that score? Its wildly more difficult

[heady nova]

with mefe who is gm/nova

[true cipher]

I feel like static gm and master kind of overlap to a certain degree, gm feels slightly more difficult but most definitely not the jump in difficulty there should be

If master stays the same, gm should be around 127-130 for 1w3ts and 170+ for multi click for it to feel like the same jump that you can see in other categories

[heady nova]

but i think it could be right scored

the season should also be harder imo

[hazy folio]

Myself and a bunch of others played it and all crushed the current score, much more than any other scene, so idk how that would make sense

[wintry junco]

Dafuq

[hazy folio]

ye

[wintry junco]

So many ppl complain

[hazy folio]

yep and i dont get why

[wintry junco]

Im washed fuck me

[heady nova]

sini=goat

[hazy folio]

but we can

nerf it by 50~ maybe

thats prolly fine

[heady nova]

let me check how many has it

[true cipher]

air feels just right, pretty much head to head with s3

[wintry junco]

Guess im just trash

[heady nova]

i mean it is only 19 out of 1005 who has it. So 1.89% roughly

[timber sluice]

need to check your pcs

[heady nova]

at master or above

[wintry junco]

1.89%?

[hazy folio]

ye

ground varied advanced

is way too easy

just got 3100 first try

honestly has to be prolly 3200 for gm at least

[heady nova]

whilst there is 32 out of 1075 who has master or above which equals to 2.97%

[hazy folio]

Also I know why your ttk was better

[heady nova]

on gp

how come

[hazy folio]

each bot self destructs after 12s and intermediate one is timescaled down so it's possible that it's not exactly the same counter

[heady nova]

hmmm, that is weird imo, shouldnt it be the same, but with bots being harder

[hazy folio]

it has been accounted for in the timescaling, it's just ever so slightly diferent

[heady nova]

ohh ok

[hazy folio]

ye might be like a decimal difference or so

it doesn't matter

[heady nova]

ig not, scenarios work how they should

[hazy folio]

lmao

ill nerf air varied by 50

[heady nova]

🙏

[hazy folio]

done

ground varied advanced buffed to 3200

[heady nova]

hopefully we will see that score targets are close to being where they should be

[hazy folio]

they seem to be

ground varied might still be too easy

or it's just played more

who knows

[timber sluice]

wait how will al players get complete roles for inter

if no movement scens

[hazy folio]

you are prolly right

they have to play more scenes

so it kinda compensates

or is it

[timber sluice]

its only 2

for inter

[hazy folio]

oh ye

well they still get it anyway

on advanced they have to play more scenes

cuz on AL we did

1 per sub

2 per sub

3 per sub

[heady nova]

i feel like ground varied inter shouldnt be harder

[wintry junco]

Oh do Jade II etc still exist? Or only 1 and complete

[hazy folio]

Only 1 and complete

[timber sluice]

people prob wont like that al doesnt gotta do movement aim stuff

tho

[hazy folio]

It can't have movement stuff that's worthwhile so

and u dont gotta play movement,

unless u want complete

[timber sluice]

yeah thats what I mean

[wintry junco]

Kinda sad that switching didnt get 2 additional tasks

U did it for AL aswell

[timber sluice]

since inter doesnt have 3 scens

[hazy folio]

doesnt rlly matter imo

no big deal

[timber sluice]

yeah but I can see a bunch of complaints headed your way on release

[hazy folio]

that's fine

fight me

[timber sluice]

I mean if anything can just add the 3rd scen to intermediate

[wintry junco]

They wont, „less scenarios are better“

Which im sure most ppl outside of the VT team will harshly disagree with

[timber sluice]

its most just for complete roles

I mean

[true cipher]

But at the same time, having scenes like 6 sphere that no one liked

[wintry junco]

Its also more fun to have a bigger selection

[true cipher]

Didn’t help much

[wintry junco]

Make good ones?

[timber sluice]

alot of people just cheesed 6 sphere scores anyway

[hazy folio]

I don't think we ever said less scenario are better, it's certainly easier to have things balanced with a smaller scenario pool, and also gives more time to make all the included scenarios better. You can have infinite amount of scenes added if you wanted to, but at some point adding more is redundant.

I think that is the case now as well, these cover all you need pretty much

[heady nova]

you gotta love it

[hazy folio]

Im going to buff that eskezje

[wintry junco]

I do agree with this but 2 scenarios are not a lot if we‘re honest.

I wont name them but a competitor has like 5 each (which is kinda too many some could argue) i just think its a bit „lazy“ that you guys cut the scenario ammount for switching (i know u guys worked hard i just dont know how to say it differently xd)

[heady nova]

how come?

[hazy folio]

im kidding

[heady nova]

hahaha

[hazy folio]

sinful we also added 4 strafe scenes

[heady nova]

i mean theyre getting reset anyway so 😉

[hazy folio]

in total there's only 2 scenes less

But anyway I disagree, and you disagree and that's fine

[wintry junco]

Yes „that you guys cut the scenario ammount for switching“

[hazy folio]

Just how it is

[wintry junco]

Yeah

Fair

I love giving my 2 cents

🤓

[timber sluice]

thing with switching is it has alot of overlap with the other categories anyway

[hazy folio]

ye

[heady nova]

thanks for the buff sini

[hazy folio]

sinful misses smoothbotts perhaps

[wintry junco]

YES

😍😍

[hazy folio]

lmao

[timber sluice]

smoothbot ts >>> kints

[wintry junco]

Get help

[timber sluice]

I love smoothbot

[heady nova]

just had to go from 41 to 37

[true cipher]

No

That’s just wrong in every way

[timber sluice]

I'd marry smoothbot

[hazy folio]

tbh the scene wasn't inherently bad just not great for benchmarks

[wintry junco]

It was rng festival

[hazy folio]

but outside benchmarks it's actually pretty cool

and patTS is like evaTs but easier

so idk

im totally fine with them gone personally

[wintry junco]

Sini what rank are you ? +-

[hazy folio]

the same issue on the aim lab benches btw

swayswitch and waveshot are very very similar

just one click and one ts

but not really ideal

angleswitch and angleshot

[heady nova]

havent really tried to push anything

[hazy folio]

I'm not ranked currently, but in the old benches I was GM II and had some scores close to nova iirc

[wintry junco]

Sini goated aimer

[hazy folio]

and now I have been playing a bit and im like master i think with like 1-2 scores gm on tracking

well i just lost it cuz we buffed ground varied

i havent been grinding only playtesting

[wintry junco]

Handing yourself L‘s

[hazy folio]

im gonna play thooo

[wintry junco]

Nice one chief

[timber sluice]

start new season this weekend

so I can waste it on kvk

[heady nova]

for the players by the players

[hazy folio]

the fact that the first cell isn't vertically centered triggers me

why

[heady nova]

which one?

i am lost

[timber sluice]

all

the numbers are at the bottom

[hazy folio]

oh all actually

[heady nova]

true

[hazy folio]

WHY DID U DO THAT

[heady nova]

i did not

do that

[hazy folio]

?

It doesn't just uncenter brooo

[heady nova]

i only put in numbers

maybe because it isnt the updated one?

[hazy folio]

idk

but imma go grab a chicken sandwich

[heady nova]

making a new one

for you

sounds good, enjoy food

energy is 4 less now

[timber sluice]

get master smoothbot

[heady nova]

dont bother

ive given it a few tries like 2-3 ish

[timber sluice]

[heady nova]

ill wait for the season

to release

since theyll all be reset anyway

oh energy was wrong cause wrong numbers

[heady nova]

@hazy folio how come that advanced tab is
Season 4 - v.1.2
Intermediate and Novice tab is Season 4 - v.1.1

[hazy folio]

Oversight, fixed it

[heady nova]

hasnt been updated on my sheet, i guees you would need a new one

[hazy folio]

yep

well u could just change it on your own end if u wanted to haha

[heady nova]

ahahahaha yea, just for when it releases you know, people should be getting a brand new shiny sheet

we need release soon so that i can grind for gm this season 🙂

[timber sluice]

btw level 2 ranks for kvk are just everything but the movement stuff right

or is that al only

[hazy folio]

II ranks are going away

Dual ranks as well

We'll have the base rank + complete rank

[lavish rivet]

im pretty excited for the new season, question tho, what is your guys reasoning on how you decide how many dots there are for static?

[heady nova]

rng 🙂

less targets, less rng

[hazy folio]

Less targets is typically more difficult since you have to make larger motion from one target to another, whereas with more targets the average distance you need to move from one target to another is smaller.

[hazy folio]

I disagree with this

I think less targets is actually more randomness, but it doesn't really matter much

Someone who is good will score good regardless of that randomness

[lavish rivet]

its just bumping up the fov really

for lower targets

i know imma be using 110 for advanced lol

[heady nova]

yeah it is that way around

[heady nova]

btw

[astral pewter]

maybe pin this?

[hazy folio]

It won't exactly be relevant when we launch the new season just wanted to share it with actives here

But I'll pin it anyway

[astral pewter]

ye

[heady nova]

so far now

🙂

[hazy folio]

nice

and u hit ground varied master

[heady nova]

yeaaa

😄

[heady nova]

it was like 1-2 runs after that troll run 3691

i might just start on the advanced ones now

and @hazy folio just to confirm, the scores are getting reset right?
It is more just if I already had to get a recording software and start to record my advanced runs

[rare yoke]

wait does it now say the energy you have in the subcategory?

and get the average of all the energies

[heady nova]

you have to get the newer version, like v1.2

just use the same link in #changelog

[rare yoke]

ye I'm using it

[hazy folio]

yes I think this has been mentioned a few times already

but they're getting reset

as we launch

[heady nova]

i thought so as well, sorry for asking again 😅

[hazy folio]

and scores before launch wont count cuz

we wont be able to tell if it was on an earlier version of a scenario and what not

so many variables at play

makes it a pain in the ass

[heady nova]

oh i see

i cant wait to take in applications

[hazy folio]

unless there's a way to tell the latest version of a scenario

[wintry junco]

So i will no longer be an ultimate platinum

Plat Complete in both Aimlab and Kovaaks

[tawdry veldt]

Are we getting close to release? Me wanna grind 🙂

[formal yarrow]

same

[hazy folio]

https://tenor.com/view/pog-dog-jog-log-gif-19205641

[wintry junco]

nice cat sini!

[wintry junco]

SoonTM?

[runic pendant]

did i need to do the strafes scenario? And how can i inprove in clicking ?

[wintry junco]

Wrong channel, ask in #advice

[runic pendant]

ok ty

[pastel cloud]

I'm checking announcements every 5 mins 4 release 😅

[timber sluice]

[wintry junco]

LMAOOOO

[pastel cloud]

🤲

[uncut elk]

s4

[fickle sapphire]

s4

[latent lichen]

s4

[lavish rivet]

s4

[strong nimbus]

s4

[lavish rivet]

fr tho im feening for the gm role lmao

[cloud stream]

VT multi clicking 120 İntermediate has it been made harder?

Last time i play targets are more closer

[real compass]

s5

[latent lichen]

s5

[tidal latch]

s3

[hazy folio]

Aim Lab benchmarks are out
https://twitter.com/VoltaicHQ/status/1512526348467716106?s=20&t=qlqGUDWsNBxbmpKzE9AwfA

KovaaKs ones being finalised now, announcing both officially in the discord tomorrow. Hopefully submissions will then also be opened.

Voltaic (@VoltaicHQ)

We are extremely pleased to announce Season 2 of our @Aimlab Benchmarks! An enormous amount of time and effort went into the creation and balancing of these scenarios. Ecstatic to see you guys perform on these tasks.

🏹 Check out the new benchmarks & changes below

▶ Play video

Twitter · Apr 8, 2022, 8:22 PM

[tidal latch]

that was fast

[timber sluice]

those poor mods

gonna have a long day

[hazy folio]

Going to have a field day

[quartz cosmos]

good luck this week for all of you guys with the submissions

make that next couple of weeks

[tidal latch]

cant wait to lose my jade role

[timber sluice]

imma lose mine for like 30min

[strong nimbus]

bot 3 air varied's is broken because sometimes smooth and sometimes reactive

[tardy zodiac]

score for fiveshot should be higher

[quick burrow]

🥶

[tardy zodiac]

i played it 2 times

lul

[glad phoenix]

have the scens been resetted yet ?

[pastel cloud]

have the scens been resetted yet ?

[quick burrow]

have the scens been resetted yet ?

[tardy zodiac]

i think so,they announced benchmark for al on twitter already

played each task (2 times for clicking, 1 time for everything else). In kvk benchmark i was diamond with few unranked scores

[naive summit]

when is this season becoming official?'

[chilly anchor]

Sini wrote they would announce tomorrow

Smoothbot intermediate still a bit too easy I think.. I average silver in novice, did 1x intermediate and instantly hit plat.

[wintry junco]

lucky run?

[wanton hazel]

the new kovaaks scores reqs seem way better now, not sure when they all changed but i like em

[naive summit]

like, s3 is over and there are going to be no further changes for s4?

[zealous hound]

We will release s4 tomorrow

[naive summit]

yay

[zealous hound]

S2 for AL just happened to be in a more polished state that’s why we released first

[naive summit]

so are there gonna be some final changes?

[zealous hound]

Just score targets don’t think scenarios are really changing anymore

[timber sluice]

[formal yarrow]

[zealous hound]

Rank resets will follow very shortly after the release and submissions will open as well

[junior lantern]

tomorrow is how many hours? cause different timezone

[timber sluice]

what is today but yesterday's tomorrow

[zealous hound]

uh idk prob going to be working around NA time or something

maybe in like 15-20 hours

its barely 9pm-12am in NA

rn

[junior lantern]

bet

[quick burrow]

OOOOOOOOOOOOO SO EXCITING

[wise hornet]

W, thanks for all the hard work!

[zealous hound]

[worn egret]

https://tenor.com/view/surprised-sorprendido-shaquille-oneal-gif-23222312

[astral pewter]

[tawdry veldt]

right...

[wintry junco]

lost

[tawdry veldt]

lmao

[wintry junco]

Lmao

[astral pewter]

lmao

[wintry junco]

Thank all the static one tricks

🤮

[tawdry veldt]

I mean 170 for gm is absurd

[grave igloo]

is there a general date when S4 benchmark have teir offical release?

[astral pewter]

no

[wise hornet]

Today

[wise hornet]

... it releases today

[wise hornet]

.

[wise hornet]

.

[astral pewter]

oh fuck

I forgot

[wise hornet]

Lol

[quick burrow]

True but I got 165 comfortably with no grind but idk how hard it is to push that 170

We will see on release

For reference I’m gm average in the s3 benchmarks

(Static)

[tawdry veldt]

I mean I have it too but its just a little absurd to put it at 170 imo

And why does Air varied feel so damn random? One minute bot 3 is long strafing then the next 3 runs it just ad spams none stop

[grave igloo]

okay im waiting

[narrow rapids]

shouldn't this average out to 504

[wintry junco]

Yep it should

504.666666666667

[narrow rapids]

yes

so why not on the sheet

[wintry junco]

Sheet scuffed?

Probs will fix when release

[orchid dawn]

sheet is very dodgy i suggest waiting for full release

every score change mixes things up

[narrow rapids]

i can stil get the scores now

cuz they wont change the leaderboards or the scen itself

only targets

[wintry junco]

They are resetting scores after release

[narrow rapids]

aimlab is out tho

[narrow rapids]

here

[wintry junco]

Kovaaks is usually the norm

Not AL

[narrow rapids]

ik

im only playing AL until kovaaks is out

[wintry junco]

Fair a lot of ppl are doing that

[quiet ferry]

VT Dodgeswitch Intermediate. The scoring on this feels to high.

[tawdry veldt]

And swayswitch advanced

Incredibly high

[limpid thicket]

just out of curiousity, can you tell me the difference between the pilltrack intermediate and advanced bots? because i honestly cant tell

unless the only diff is the scoring?

[tawdry veldt]

slower

and bigger right?

[limpid thicket]

well the bot doesnt feel diff but my scores are lower so maybe im just dumb

[quasi light]

sini said it's not exactly the avg energy, but it's rather heavy on the lower number

[hazy folio]

Yeah it's harmonic mean

[timber sluice]

eta

on s4

?

[quasi light]

+your strafe scen scores are not calculated to your rank's energy

[limpid thicket]

oh shit

[hazy folio]

iirc it's slower and bigger

[limpid thicket]

okay

[hazy folio]

Vodkards just fixed this issue

But please use the feedback form

[wintry junco]

why?

that legit makes no sense

why even introduce the values if they dont even match up

[hazy folio]

what ?

It means that the lower scores weigh heavier so you can't completely neglect them

[strong nimbus]

.

[hazy folio]

It's a good change

[wintry junco]

but why...

just lower the score exponentially

the lower it goes

but it should be taken at face value

100 energy = 100 energy

[hazy folio]

I think you are confused on how it works but ok

[hazy folio]

.

[hazy folio]

.

[strong nimbus]

thanks

[wintry junco]

those values add up to an avg of 504, the numbers are there

its idiotic that the SUMMARY isnt 504

[hazy folio]

It's fine if you disagree with the decision

Just not okay to be this upset about it

[wintry junco]

ppl are gonna be confused af

[hazy folio]

It's really not that confusing

Everything is automated

[wintry junco]

well simple math not adding up is kinda confusing

[hazy folio]

It calculates it for you

[narrow rapids]

wait so how is it 504 im confused

they weigh less?

[hazy folio]

Because it's harmonic mean

So the lower scores weigh heavier

So you can't completely neglect your weaknesses

[narrow rapids]

oh ok

[hazy folio]

Helps balance things

[strong nimbus]

the bot is fixed now or soon?

[quasi light]

but harmonic mean is also math lol

[hazy folio]

I just said it's fixed renan ;p

[wintry junco]

than fix the formula so the individual energys show their true value rather than a number that gets valued differently

1+1 = 2

if that doesnt match up its dumb

[strong nimbus]

i need restart online scens right?

[wintry junco]

simple math

[hazy folio]

You can reload the workshop ye

[strong nimbus]

ok ok

[quasi light]

Sorry sinful, but imo your making a fool of yourself

[hazy folio]

I think you're upset about nothing

[timber sluice]

ngl I was wondering if I was going insane cause of this

[wintry junco]

its true tho

[quasi light]

ok

[hazy folio]

And I think you can be more respectful in the way you phrase yourself

If you can not do that

Then I don't think it's worth chatting

[quasi light]

But I said sorry :(

my bad

[hazy folio]

Ly spraytag

That was to sinful

[quasi light]

oh

[naive summit]

i cant even count how many people were like jade and they had dia/plat rank just cuz they couldnt get better score on one task like this is much better

[wintry junco]

yeah me too but im not complaining about that xd

my whole point is that the scores dont match up

u could change that

[timber sluice]

I think the weighted avg is better

[wintry junco]

yes but showing the correct value would be nice

thats legit it xd

[timber sluice]

cause it encourages you to fix your weaknesses

[limpid thicket]

normal avg still would tho

[timber sluice]

well it more like the formula to calculate energy

[limpid thicket]

you just wouldnt be able to pad it with better scores in strength now i guess

[timber sluice]

makes the numbers different

not the individual energy of each scen

[quasi light]

If it was the way you want it to be (like 1+1=2) then it's possible to get nova rank just with 2-3 nova subcategories and everything else gm

which shouldn't be possible

[wintry junco]

i didnt mean that, the weighted scoring is okey xd but it showing "289" instead of 200 or whatever is what bugs me

[timber sluice]

I suppose they could put the formula somewhere on sheet so people can see how it works

[quasi light]

I think you're actually upset about nothing

[wintry junco]

where am i upset? xddddddddddd

man u take me too serious

[hazy folio]

It does show the correct values sinful

It's the values that it takes the harmonic mean of

[timber sluice]

an avg of a bunch of varying numbers won't always be a flat 100,200,300 etc

if that's what you're complaining about

[wintry junco]

okey i apparently dont have the vocabulary to explain it

its just a visual thing that bugs me

[quasi light]

It's math😎 doesn't have to be visually pleasing right

[hazy folio]

I understand what you're trying to say, you want the display number on the sheet to be pre-calculated so that it averages to be the number at the top. It just doesn't make sense to display that when it takes harmonic mean of those values, so it would actually display incorrect numbers if those would be the displayed energy numbers.

[wintry junco]

yesssssssss

correct