4.0 Waypoint Update

[pallid ridge]

<@&590975379678953522> <@&233312840486748160>
New optional thread for the discussion of 4.0 the Waypoint update. While #no-mans-sky main chat chills a bit...

Same rules as #no-mans-sky apply here. You may ping someone to subscribe them to the thread.

[unborn coyote]

Cool.

[proper hemlock]

good idea

[oak totem]

allright

[unborn coyote]

Any info about the new difficulty options?

[near otter]

Ah, good idea. But what is this chat for, exactly?

[oak totem]

sorry

[unborn coyote]

Sane conversation about the update, perhaps?

[oak totem]

basically dont flooding the main chat

[fluid whale]

Hey, a new room!! (looks around)

[oak totem]

pretty much

[oak totem]

depends on which u wanna know

[fluid whale]

Let me go get my last question.. Brb

[oak totem]

u can literally customize everything

[unborn coyote]

Mmm... All of it

[oak totem]

hold on can i access it?

[fluid whale]

Has anyone tried core Jumping to see if tech still gets damaged yet?

[oak totem]

@unborn coyote

[near otter]

Yeah, seems logical

Well I think a good way to solve most complains would be to allow 6 tech of the same type in the tech inventory

So we reverse back to our old characters, but we keep the new inventory size?
Even if "it's a bug gnagnagna", people are used to it. It became a feature.

[oak totem]

i literally mean

everything

[unborn coyote]

I wanna hear some info while I wait for my Verizon internet to crawl at the speed of a snail... Downloading this update at an abysmal 2 megs per second.

[oak totem]

just read images or watch xaines vid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rsu0PXuJAwM

[flat snow]

yeah i agree with this
i think they're probably planning on adding more upgrades because there are a lot of slots

[unborn coyote]

Oh damn, now I really wanna see this update. Don't care what I gain or lose, difficulty settings are what I adore

[oak totem]

just reads every setting

[near otter]

Or that, yeah!

[oak totem]

have a blast then

u can actually make it nastily difficult atm lol

[cobalt sigil]

I’m interested to see how much more lore is added to the game, or whether it’s just better tracking

[unborn coyote]

Probably might crank the settings to the max in case I need a quick laugh LOL

[oak totem]

@proper hemlock i summon u in here cuz u will keep ur sanity

chill peps here

[unborn coyote]

This is probably the only thing in a while that Discord has done right... Threads.

Besides that, I'm looking forward to seeing the new visuals on my Xbox One

[oak totem]

if theres ever a nms news coverage i highly recommend this dude cuz he gives several warnings before goin into speculation/leaks

[proper hemlock]

good idea

some people just dont know how to remain civil ig

[unborn coyote]

The punishment of being partnered

@night aspen In case you still feel the need to speak

...in a more controlled environment

[fluid whale]

I'm home now.
Just launched game. Updating. It's 12.4 GB it's at 97%

Is the 120 slot glitch in exosuit still working?

[pallid ridge]

sweet! and which glitch?

[oak totem]

welcome back

[fluid whale]

Something about being able to get 120 slots in Tech instead of the stated 60?

[proper hemlock]

some people are able to get 99 tech slots

[oak totem]

THANK GOD FOR the basequestline removal of time I CAN FINALLY GET IT OUT OF MY LOG

my god

[fluid whale]

Even tho, I only have 6 slot expansion upgrades.

[oak totem]

even on experimental the expansion is buggy af

[flat snow]

turn off cost and you can use it indefinitely

apparently

[oak totem]

[unborn coyote]

I'm just happy I have the choice to sprint without having to deal with "(pant pant)" every so often

[oak totem]

tbh im too used to sprint being infinite in games sooooo i am fighting myself if i wanna turn it on or not lol

[unborn coyote]

Welp, Creative Mode spoils me rotten, so I'm gonna make the game easy as pie

Which brings me to something I've been thinking about.

[oak totem]

oh u are one of the rare creative players?

[unborn coyote]

I wear my badge with pride

I proudly play Creative almost all the time. No matter what anyone says, I love Creative

[oak totem]

tbh im no builder i like at least some engagement with combat

[unborn coyote]

Neither am I. I just like wandering around

No limits, y'know?

[proper hemlock]

Hey! I'm happy with the changes, even the inventory. I'm fine with having just three upgrades each, just curious as what everyones doing with their excess ones? I only use one ship at a time so I have nothing to put them into. You reckon it's better to put them in storage or just discard/trade?

[near otter]

I'm keeping them til they reverse this one particular change

[unborn coyote]

Right now? Nothing at all as I wait patiently for the update. I'd say put your things into storage, but I'd recommend you don't take my advice - my organization of items in my storage nearly had me burned at the stake in here.

[pallid ridge]

@proper hemlock it's lovely to see you back

[proper hemlock]

That's what I'm worried about, if they reverse it haha. I'll need to sacrifice something on my bases as all three are on the 3000 part limit. I'll hang onto them for a week maybe and see what happens.

[pallid ridge]

i'd store them for now. we don't know what kind of changes will come with hotfixes and what not. play things by ear for now.

[proper hemlock]

I've sacrificed two solar panels in exchange for storage as I massively overcalculated how much power I'd need. Thanks for the advice!

[oak totem]

wellp pact is finished

now i am locked to this fooooor like 2 weeks

[pallid ridge]

lol yesss! @jade lion check it

[oak totem]

pulling a calendar notice

let gleam rest :v

a moderator do get a headache often

but yes overall update was good minus the sorting of like 6+ ships inventories

[signal raven]

The FSR 2 implementation is really good!

Noticed no ghosting so far on any of the modes

[oak totem]

i dont even know if i can have that on with dlss

[signal raven]

I think it's either or.

Don't know if there is that big of a difference but word on the street is dlss still works a tiny bit better than fsr right now in most games

[oak totem]

yes its a separate anti alliasing setting

either dlss nvidia or ifx

[signal raven]

still, super impressive what amd have pulled off without specialized hardware.

[jade lion]

[signal raven]

I notice no difference between native 1440p and FSR Quality mode on space stations so far

[oak totem]

dlss is still doin my moneys worth soooo i think imma stick to that

[signal raven]

and I'm hopeful they'll pull in the FSR 2.1 update soon, which improves things futher

[oak totem]

i prefer stable fps over overkill graphics

[signal raven]

I'm just super happy i jumped from like 85 fps to 120 now

[oak totem]

i dont even know which brand is fidelity fx?

amd?

[signal raven]

Yeah

But unlike dlss, it isn't locked to specific GPUs

which makes it pretty appealing for broader support

it took a while to catch up to dlss's quality though.

The first versions were pretty mediocre. Nowadays it's pretty good

[timid garden]

What am I even supposed to do with all my upgrades now? :(

[oak totem]

again FOR THE LOVE OF GOD dont sell em their stat roll seed exist. just equip til u find the good ones and IMMEDIATLY chuck em into the massive freighter containers now

[oak totem]

after repackaging

[timid garden]

Oh I’m not selling them I’m just sad I was OP and now I have to decide whether I want heat protection or my personal refiner….. lol

[oak totem]

lol

this was full earlier today btw

[oak totem]

im just stating i cuz not all know the seed is predetermined

[timid garden]

Rip 🥲

[gilded wolf]

How much can frigate storage be upgraded past the previous point? Is it 120 for everything now?! And is that for each ship or each ship and frigate and exocraft?

[proper hemlock]

it cost me 75mil to buy tech slots i already had

why

[oak totem]

honest question why dont u hatch ur pet spawn? lol

[proper hemlock]

I literally put off buying a freighter for years, then two months after I do...hahaha. Clearly I cursed us all, my bad. I am really looking to sorting all this out though, absolutely love some invo management

[oak totem]

i meeeean freighter cargo is so bloody big sooo that wont really be a big issue? un less ur having several capped stacks

[proper hemlock]

That's exactly what I'm doing lol, I always run with one free slot in general. Everything else is full, I have no idea why I do this

[oak totem]

ok seems computer archive quest is bricked ive had the same terminal step 4 times

reporting

at least on experimental

[jade lion]

It's a daily quest after you have done the last step

[oak totem]

mate i am not on last step hence i say bricked

[jade lion]

[oak totem]

i never finished the damn thing lol

ok vesper sails my beloved

xcuse me did a mild speedy fall just take 5 hitpoints?

[jade lion]

What a lovely Traveller

[oak totem]

where i usually just take mild damage

[jade lion]

Looking good

[oak totem]

ok no matter if melee boost was old exploit despite hg embracing it i cant be without it

lol

[pallid ridge]

Singular Red

[gilded wolf]

I ask this again

[pallid ridge]

@jade lion or @open ravine do either of you know?

[oak totem]

do u mean container? prob now i think freighters can ish

[jade lion]

Nope no clue, for some reason I haven't had time to play yet

[oak totem]

i mean

i havent even tried freighter modules

cuz have none

this is the shit mine started with after patch lol

dou i capped inventory pre patch

few months back

so i think yes general cap is higher

by just a fraction

[gilded wolf]

Do I now need a fuck ton of frigate salvage modules?

[oak totem]

if u dont include cargo

[oak totem]

pirate systems missions and looting freighters like a loot gremlin 🙂

pirate systems give a lot of it

i just spammed it for a day

[open ravine]

you meant freighter, not frigate, ofc. i have some bulkheads, i'll see if i have enough to get to 120 at least.

[oak totem]

i mean as someone that have capped old inventory of my bclass (forget if freighter class matters) u can lend me like 3 and i can test that right now

honest to god forget if class of freighter matters

[open ravine]

freighter class does matter

[oak totem]

allright then i shut up

sorry

i havent bothered to grind an s class

lol

i dont think this 120h save of natural play has rolled a single s class yet lol

freighter wise

[open ravine]

NMS is definitely not punishing players for not having s-class gear all around. my scanner MT is s-class, but my damage MT is only a-class... and i have no problems (up until 4.0, haven't tested dealing damage yet) deleting enemies

[oak totem]

oh im not saying it punishes me i just say i havent been lucky lol

im fine as is

[oak totem]

i still consider the old inventory too much 🤣

not even as a joke

[open ravine]

yeah, just trying to make the point that one can absolutely enjoy the game without having max storage everywhere 🙂

[oak totem]

dou im kinda content with this

speed go nyom

[kindred gull]

I've daily driven an a class mt forever

Personally I'll mostly be playing on a new custom save for now

[oak totem]

any ideas on what settings or?

i am kinda hesitant remaking save considerin mine has like 120+ hours

[kindred gull]

I'm playing on smth between normal and survival

Item loss on death, harder combat, expensive items, normal stack sizes

And no tutorials

Although I'm kind of regretting that one at least until they let us have no quest hud without the artemis quest

[oak totem]

i should prob increase difficulty as well buuuut my gripe with survival is loosing itesm (like i despise that stuff)

i have too much ptsd of other survival games

lol

[kindred gull]

Well you can just use the default normal setting for that

[oak totem]

do i really have to remake save i can probably edit current save cant i?

[kindred gull]

Honestly half way through repairing my ship i realized that i accidentally created literal space minecraft

[kindred gull]

You can for most stuff

Don't remember exactly what is restricted

[oak totem]

dou as someone with mere 100-200mil i still consider most items expensive af (or at least main items)

ie ships freighters etc etc

[kindred gull]

Are those even "items"

Especially freighters

You save up for them once

[winged epoch]

Holy shit AMD FSR 2 is game changing for me

The older FSR wasn't working well with my 1650, barely any difference

But this works really well and the game still looks good at performance modes

[wispy dune]

Nice I also have a 1650

[winged epoch]

I can get up to 40-50 fps on ultra settings with ultra setting on planet quality, but it still somewhat stuttery

[wispy dune]

Very noice

[unborn coyote]

Finally installed the update. Can't wait to see the new fancies of 4.0

[winged epoch]

Still wouldn't recommend playing on that because of the stuttering

Going to now test the preset high setting though

[unborn coyote]

Like the new menu screen

[winged epoch]

Ok changing it all to high crashes the game, rip

Tbh I'm not a fan of the updated menu backdrop, my eyes keep going to that bottom its distracting me

But I like that it has more personality now

[unborn coyote]

/shrug Oh believe me, I'm paying attention to the bottom as well, but hey, personality first IMO

[winged epoch]

True

Now it feels more NMS-y than before

[kindred gull]

Honestly it's weird how it looks like it's just a gradient

When it's actually a picture of the atlas

[fluid whale]

Why do you have to choose?
I thought there were more slots or the ability to get more??

[kindred gull]

You can only fit 3 per category because no general inventory

[winged epoch]

damn even the nomad has solid storage

[fluid whale]

What are the tabs called elements?

[winged epoch]

which is a little weird as the colossus has only a few more slots than the roamer, they should have given it even more slots unless that's because its scrollable

[oak totem]

all the exocrafts have

kinda life saver imo lol

[winged epoch]

yeah exocrafts became annoying to manage as they got too much tech, 0 space left in a nomad after getting most upgrades

[oak totem]

especially my main boi

that is not small amount of slots

lol

[winged epoch]

anyway time for me to start a new custom save

[oak totem]

u can just edit ur old save if u so decide

can change at any time

[unborn coyote]

Glad I can finally sprint to no limits now. The whole upgrade thing didn't faze me much seeing how I can just find stronger... things

[winged epoch]

I just want a fresh start

decided to do mostly survival except no inventory loss on death, never been a fan of that

[oak totem]

fair just saying

[oak totem]

wait wha thats a settings?

OMG YES xD

[winged epoch]

also a setting to disable tutorial

[unborn coyote]

...alright, I'm gonna be honest here

I do miss the insane lengths I could fly with all those upgrades

But I'm sure that can be fixed with some rearranging.

[oak totem]

made i lost like 200% sprint distance lol

[winged epoch]

ok this is a strange layout

[oak totem]

perma is now a setting not mode

[winged epoch]

no I mean how awkwardly placed the survival and custom modes are

[oak totem]

actually ye

thats rough lol

[unborn coyote]

Hot damn, the Anomaly-Station transition was fast as hell

...on Xbox One, even!

[oak totem]

i really dont wanna do a fresh save cuz already comitted like 150 to main save 😂

[oak totem]

redoin comittment is hell for me

[unborn coyote]

I know I'm flaunting it a lot, but Creative pretty much makes most of this a minor inconvenience LMAO

[oak totem]

its not the convinience i struggle with its just time investment lol

[winged epoch]

Ok turned everything to the max lets see how frustrating it'll be

[oak totem]

i mean i admit survival games is in need of a fresh start every couple of update but i frankly despise hard resetting either willingly or forced lol

[oblique robin]

Has anyone tried the game out on the Switch? If so how's the experience?

[unborn coyote]

Weird, so I can't put some... things into the Technology slots

[oak totem]

trying to find the baby traveler talking before for u lol

[winged epoch]

oh I thought it would at least do the main story

[unborn coyote]

Meh

I'm fine with all this

[oak totem]

@proper hemlock ?

if ur awake can answer?

[proper hemlock]

Awesome so far

[oak totem]

i cant speak cuz 1. im pc player 2. i dont own nms on switch

ty for answering crystal o/

[keen hatch]

Did anyone check, did new tech upgrade modules actually get stronger?

[unborn coyote]

The game looks real pretty on Xbox One, surprisingly

[proper hemlock]

Graphics remind of the outer worlds on switch, so I think they look fine, I played for about a hour and half and had no stuttering, no lag or anything!

[fluid whale]

What's the difference between reload autosave and reload restore point?

[oak totem]

ok the no studder or lag surprise me

[unborn coyote]

Autosave, manual save - respectively

[oblique robin]

That's good 👍, I figured the Switch would have a stable performance.

[oak totem]

ok thank god nms added no death consequence setting i always hated that with sandbox lol

[proper hemlock]

Yeah I think in a video on YouTube they said when they built a very tall and large base, there was a MINOR lag, and went away quickly, so I think its safe to say performance isn't a issue for switch. Wooo

Just to let you know though as far as I know switch is still waiting on the 4.0 update, but should be sometime today or tomorrow soon, since they're waiting for the approval from Nintendo,

Hopefully by the time I get home it'll be up and running :3

[unborn coyote]

Time to hunt for some S-rank movement... things. Gotta get that height back up so I can hop back on those mushrooms >:)

[limpid sluice]

I think the real tragedy of this update is that space station overrides still don't work

[oak totem]

???

u mean the standing reset?

i was about to say

[unborn coyote]

I, uhh - this may be embarrassing, but

Can anyone remind me how you're supposed to get extra technology slots or whatever? It's been a while LOL

[oak totem]

my f-ing 3070 ti cant crack over 50 at this point of update 🤣

[unborn coyote]

Surprisingly, it feels like my Xbox One is feeling a tad faster with this update LMAO

[oak totem]

SEAN xD

stop frying my pc lol

aaaaaaand a civilian ship just rised from the bloody ocean lol

[gilded wolf]

How many frigate storage upgrade things should I have ready for the new update?

[small drift]

I'm a bit alarmed that it has loaded a 3 month old save on my PS5. My freighter I grinded so hard for is gone. I've turned off auto cloud sync for now but I'm not sure how to fix this yet

oh wait, this is the PS4 version, it automatically updated it

[fluid whale]

What did you want it to do?

[limpid sluice]

I'm being sarcastic lol

they're never doing anything with that thing

[fluid whale]

For what equipment?
Freighter, MultiTool, ship, or suit?

[fluid whale]

Lol
Yeah, they tested it this morning and it did nothing.

[fluid whale]

So that means you're good?

[small drift]

Yup, I opened the PS5 version and the save was there. I kept the PS5 version on there so I could load up 1.00 from disc, sadly I'll have to reinstall that. But nothing major

[gilded wolf]

How many more storage spaces can ships and frigates have now?

[fluid whale]

@gilded wolf Not sure if this applies to all equipment.. But look at the last line.

[gilded wolf]

Ohh boy

[pure temple]

Set everything to free but cant buy quicksilver items? Considering how much of a cakewalk you can make this game now I’m surprised they bothered to limit it at that.

[fluid whale]

Hey, just thought about it.
So there's nothing new to settlements???

[proper hemlock]

Is there any new milestones or is the only sepposed "expansion" only a menu change

[velvet heath]

Mine requested a party today to celebrate the release of 4.0

[graceful elk]

Not that I know of

[proper hemlock]

😦 4.0 made me sad honestly. I feel like we can’t explore as much now, which felt like one of the main objective of the games. The tech limits make your ship and exosuits have a singular purpose rather than being multi purpose… I guess that was the point but it vastly changed all of my setups. It feels like I need to have my setup just for like one main system.

[jade lion]

You have settings now you can tweak to adjust things like hazards and stamina

[velvet heath]

Min-maxing is still 100% possible. Only the max has been adjusted a bit

[graceful elk]

the inventory slots are just buggy right now, 60 tech slots is plenty, just looks like 30 right now

[latent bobcat]

I don’t think it is

[velvet heath]

How? You can easily have 3 maxed tech modules - If anything it requires less grind

[latent bobcat]

I used to have more than that

[proper hemlock]

Regardless I’d rather not have to adjust my whole setup and fix how I play based off the whole update. It feels like someone came into my room and moved all my things around and said “there it’s better!”. Idk some people may like the update and I know there’s settings but..

[velvet heath]

So did I. And aside from my hauler flying like a brick again it's barely been noticeable. Maybe I can't endlessly tank a sentinel walker but that isn't game-breaking to me

[jade lion]

I understand

[graceful elk]

yeah, the max is now 3, but honestly I'm getting used to it. even limited to the 30 tech bugginess my ships are still OK after some rearranging

[latent bobcat]

I liked the old style

[graceful elk]

same, if this is the new normal I can live with it though, not going to stop playing or anything

[fluid whale]

Really?
You're joking right?

[velvet heath]

Well not specifically, but they did request a party today. The timing may have been a coincidence 🥳

[latent bobcat]

I liked being a death ball tbh now it’s just a peashooter

[fluid whale]

Lol

[graceful elk]

I did a freighter defense mission a bit ago and my shields still never went down, took a little longer to kill the pirates than usual but still dealt with them using only photon cannon

[fluid whale]

Haven't seen it brought up yet.
But what's your thoughts on the new icon images?

[proper hemlock]

Oxygen looks stressing

[graceful elk]

I don't mind them, but hard to get used to. old ones I could just glance at and knew what everything was

[proper hemlock]

I deadass noticed the new oxygen icon before i noticed the new inventory

[jade lion]

This is like my 4th set of icons

At least they didn't rename the elements again

[barren bane]

imagine the uproar that would bring

[fluid whale]

Same.

And they still just reuse same graphics for some items just changed the color.
Guess its OK.. But definitely a learning curve.
Oh and you have to, well, I had to actually click it to find out what it was.. No more hovering over or just reading it.

[keen hatch]

I kinda hate new oxygen icon tbh

[proper hemlock]

New oxygen had me crying

[fluid whale]

So.. They change them pretty regularly with updates?

[keen hatch]

It makes even less sence than the old one for O2, why even bother

[jade lion]

I wouldn't say regularly, but they have a few times yep

[proper hemlock]

Just just make it a empty square that's a better representation

[fluid whale]

Hey just went to my settlement. Nothing going on. Grabbed my supplies and left. No Sentinel attack either

[velvet heath]

I don't think they'll be getting out the torches and pitchforks anytime soon

[fluid whale]

Anyone try ship scrapping yet? specifically on the Space Station
If so, still work?

What's the best way to get ship augmentation modules?
Or quickest way?

[velvet heath]

I'm currently re-rolling modules to see if stats have changed significantly but I donhave some scrapping to get to

[graceful elk]

scrapping a/s class ships is probably quickest, though you'll need the money to buy. also given out as mission rewards, including frigate missions so they pile up for me

[lucid hollow]

i mean with the settings, you can just turn on everything free mode and buy the storage

[fluid whale]

Yes, that's what I remember too.
Thank you.

[fluid whale]

Like in current saves?
You don't have to start a new save with the new settings?

[graceful elk]

note that now most modes play together, so you won't be blocked from meeting other players based on your difficulty settings, and no, you can now change difficulty at any time on a save

[velvet heath]

Is platinum at the top of the resource list for units now?

[lucid hollow]

nope normal mode saves can access free mode, god mode, and all the creative mode settings at any time

you basically can pull a /gamemode C at any time like in minecraft

[fluid whale]

Wow.... Just wow

[fluid whale]

So.. There's no need to grind ever?

[lucid hollow]

nope

[graceful elk]

well, depends on your definition of 'grind' but the difficulty can indeed now be adjusted

[lucid hollow]

in otherwords yes progression and actuall "difficulty" in every game mode is f'd

[lucid hollow]

i feel calling access creative mode at any time if your struggling without any drawbacks "adjusted" is a bit of an understatement

i mean it, why work towards things when the only one keeping you from getting them is yourself and two buttons in a menu

i personally think these "god mode everything is free" settings should have been locked to creative mode on a creative mode save on creation.

[graceful elk]

I mean I guess you could say the same thing about save editors and whatever. I'll probably never use it myself, but I'm trying to remain neutral about the change

[lucid hollow]

for example survival and permadeath have exclusive difficulty settings only they can toggle, creative mode should have that so normal mode isnt royally f'd progression wise

[lucid hollow]

save editors are third party tools that not everyone probably not even close to a majority, would use at their own discretion. These difficulty settings are borderline cheats that are encouraged by the game and much easier for every single player to utilize

honestly turning on godmode at any time is really what a cheat is, its just in the game like minecraft's /gamemode C

[simple nexus]

yeah and that really has tanked how minecraft is fun for people too right

c'mon dude, its under options for a reason

[fluid whale]

I wish I didn't know about it.
It's like waiting in line to get into an event only to find out there are multiple entrances and no wait at most.

Once you know about it, you never wait in line again.

[lucid hollow]

difference is minecraft forces you to your game mode unless you ENABLE cheats on world creation. minecraft will lock you to your gamemode unless you force it not to

the gamemodes were seperate for a reason and the same goes for nms

[lucid hollow]

exactly why i think these godmode creative mode settings are a problem when accessible to everyone outside of creative mode

[jade lion]

What stopped you from just going to creative?

Use whatever it was for this

[lucid hollow]

easy i found this total bs for game progression and then stopped playing because i found it pointless since now i have everything

[simple nexus]

oh my bad

[lucid hollow]

its not like goals and progression arent the main drive to participate and actually play the game which is majorly obtaining resources and making money as the gameplay loop

[velvet heath]

Did they remove resources and money?

[simple nexus]

nah just freedom of choice and restraint apparently

flabbergasting that this conversation isnt happening on gamefaqs circa 1999

[timid garden]

I literally just saw this I’m so sorry but the tabs named elements are things like oxygen carbon ferrite dust, basically all of the elements the game has except basalt

[fluid whale]

Who me?
I didn't want to go to creative. I wanted the grind, the exploration of it all.
I still do... It's just going itch a little when I now know I can just flick a switch and get something done....
Especially when that grind become monotonous.

I also refrained from duping so that I could learn.
I do accept gifts though. Whew, got me out of a few binds.

[lucid hollow]

functionally yes, but if you like you can choose to handicap yourself and require it which can be turned off at any time

[lucid hollow]

this is exactly the problem with providing the option, its always gonna be there so whenever your struggling, the option exists so it becomes a matter of asking yourself "why am i doing this to myself" when a button to make it easier is literally 2 clicks away

difficulty needs to be mandatory to an extent to provide a reason to work towards things which provides a drive

[velvet heath]

I must have missed the requirement to lower the settings in the notes

[lucid hollow]

i dont mind quite a few of the settings like reduced damage or reduced encounters, just the ones that are literally creative mode and god mode

[small drift]

I suppose it's a matter of self-control and what each player wants to experience. For myself, I care much more about exploration than I do about minmaxing

[fluid whale]

It was before I got into the game today.
I thought all tabs had been changed. Lol
Then I saw mine were still the same and realized you may have renamed yours.

[velvet heath]

I forget who, but someone had a nice pic or two on customizing the tabs in the #no-mans-sky channel earlier

[timid garden]

Yes I did lol only because it made it easier to find stuff and I’m ocd…. 😂

[fluid whale]

I just numbered mine. But try my best to keep them organized by color and type.
But today with that expansion... It kind of separated things..
I have to go and spend some time sorting it out. I love the extra space though

[graceful elk]

#nms-modding message

[small drift]

I still don't understand those tabs, i don't have anything like that

[lucid hollow]

i know you guys are apparently paragons of self control and all, but we literally have someone here who finds their experience kinda ruined by the fact that the options exist as a normal mode player

[fluid whale]

Ahhh if you can find it, it would be cool to see what they did.
I always look for inspiration.

[velvet heath]

That's the 1!

Ty @graceful elk

[jade lion]

I'm sorry you feel that way, even if I don't

[lucid hollow]

not me, im talking about Im704

[jade lion]

I would like everyone possible to enjoy the game, so I'm sorry for any that find their experience changed for the worse, for any reason

[simple nexus]

didnt you quit the game over this ?

[lucid hollow]

honestly mark my words, this update is gonna lead to anytime someone wants help from other players its just gonna be "just turn on creative mode ffs" instead of offering help or trading stuff

[fluid whale]

My experience isn't changed for the worse.
I'm just gonna forget all about a button.

Plus, I'm still saving for the VR setup....
So I can't stop now.

[jade lion]

Not here it won't, at least not in our help channel and not if I see them saying it, that's not a legitimate solution

[graceful elk]

I'm not really against that, better than the dupers that usually hang out offering their goods and less people begging for stuff

[lucid hollow]

the dichotomy of man

[graceful elk]

trading will still take place

[simple nexus]

rotfl

[lucid hollow]

any time your struggling to find nanites or units, any resource like basalt or storm crystals for crafting recipes, your gonna be thinking in the back of your head "why the hell am i doing this" when an option to make it all solved is 2 clicks away, the games struggle as "difficulty" is now self imposed making it non-existant under the pretense of having "self control"

its just as valid a "difficulty" as a youtube challenge video like Mario 64 but you cant jump

[jade lion]

Well, I won't be, but I'm sure there will be that for some

[velvet heath]

Projecting?

[jade lion]

I play permadeath, survival, normal and creative

[simple nexus]

and now you can do all of those things at the same time

[velvet heath]

Not trying to troll, but your argument seems to be a lot of hypotheticals of what any other player besides you could possibly do

[lucid hollow]

except literally one guy said this

didn't want to go to creative. I wanted the grind, the exploration of it all.
I still do... It's just going itch a little when I now know I can just flick a switch and get something done....
Especially when that grind become monotonous.

[simple nexus]

you also said this

Okuyashoe
—
Today at 2:08 AM
easy i found this total bs for game progression and then stopped playing because i found it pointless since now i have everything

and yet here we are, up this hill you chose to die on for some reason

[lucid hollow]

yeah except im not talking about what i said, and that doesnt change what other people said

[velvet heath]

I'm sure more than 1 said something similar to that. Does that mean an entire playerbase fits into that box?

[jade lion]

He also said

My experience isn't changed for the worse.
I'm just gonna forget all about a button.

[lucid hollow]

your right, because creative mode already existed seperately for a reason

[graceful elk]

let's maybe talk/complain about something else, this horse has been beaten to death

[velvet heath]

On a other note, haven't found a difference in module rolls yet but may not have tried the right ones

[graceful elk]

me either, though only tried a couple

[velvet heath]

Only tried hazard Xs so far - going to the movement next

[simple nexus]

oh right back to why i came here in the first place

[velvet heath]

I do like how the Cs stack now

[simple nexus]

did they add anything new other than the rocket ?

[graceful elk]

I'll probably wait until people mine the game data and see if it's worth re-rolling stuff, already had good upgrades

[velvet heath]

I only had 2 hazards before so just adding a 3rd with the added room

[graceful elk]

now I'm just picking the best 3 of the previous 6

[small drift]

So are these tabs a mod? Maybe I'm an idiot but I've never seen a way to add tabs, although that would be super handy

[velvet heath]

Doesn't seem to be

I haven't tried yet

[small drift]

I've checked every storage type in the game and don't see any tabs, weird

[tired musk]

Yo, I need help, please peremdesth players… someone. My auto save has me glitched on the runway of the anomaly.. on foot. Can’t do anything. I think if I join someone’s game it will take me out of here. I’m hoping. Can someone please friend me and allow me to join your game. It will take 2 minutes of your time and save my the 100 hours I have on the save. FOR THe LOVE OF GoD !!!

[velvet heath]

Might try #nms-lfg-or-trades or #nms-questions

[jade lion]

Those are the storage rooms on a freighter

[velvet heath]

Anyone find what resources were added to asteroids?

[small drift]

Ohhhh.. renaming them eh? So certain words are replaced with graphics by the game?

[jade lion]

#nms-modding message

Text formatting aye

[small drift]

gotcha, thanks!

[loud sandal]

tried relaxed mode, lol i quit it

i'm sticking to my existing survival mode, but i'm all good with old-fashioned gathering of sodium and oxygen, at least i accepted that 4.0 challenge

[pallid ridge]

so what was it like? how did it differ from normal mode?

[loud sandal]

it's like normal mode but sans challenge by omitting life support

it feels like a tutorial than a challenge

[pallid ridge]

oooh that's the only difference?

[loud sandal]

yup, also lower costs, but that's only good for someone who prefers easy mode, i'm more into raising difficulty which i wanted to experience even more challenging

as i'm currently playing in survival mode after spending hours with normal mode which i abandoned it

[pallid ridge]

had you played Survival before the update?

[loud sandal]

yes

i did

in normal mode last time i spent time was Q4 2021

i abandoned like october 2021, and returned back to NMS since april 2022 with survival mode with some breaks, i started playing in survival mode during outlaws update at that time

[pallid ridge]

and does Survival after the update feel more challenging?

[loud sandal]

yes, and more worth it

when i checked on trade terminals on my bases and space stations, i noticed that some items are missing, but it's less of an issue for me, as i'm okay with scanning and gathering/mining oxygen, sodium, di-hydrogen, ferrite dust and cobalt

[pallid ridge]

that's awesome!

[velvet heath]

Anyone else have outlaw stations blocked from their freighter teleporter?

[loud sandal]

i did

also outlaw station teleporter won't access to freighter too

but it can only access to bases

[velvet heath]

Ok....I can just hop to a base first then till it gets fixed

Just wanted to be sure it wasn't just me

[pallid ridge]

isn't that what also happens when you're at a teleporter in a space station of a system that isn't Outlaw though?

is your freighter in an Outlaw system or non-outlaw?

[velvet heath]

It is - but from player owned stuff it hasn't been blocked before

[loud sandal]

mine was freighter in non-outlaw system.

[velvet heath]

It was definitely in a regular system at the time

[loud sandal]

i haven't tried summoning freighter in outlaw systems and i'll check if this won't access to non-outlaw space station terminal

[pallid ridge]

oh interesting. so freighter would bypass that block. def report it to HG if it's a bug plz so they're made aware

[pallid ridge]

ooh yes plz do

!HelloGames

[meager lion]

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[pallid ridge]

posting HG bug report links in case it's a bug

[velvet heath]

Already putting it in 💪

Just needed to be sure it wasn't just me being dumb first 🤣

[pallid ridge]

lol makes sense

[loud sandal]

i realized that i can still store biome climate-related shields and reinstall hazard shields that are appropriate on planetary climates

freighter is still inaccessible from outlaw space station even if it's within outlaw system, but i'm surprised that freighter within outlaw system is accessible from regular space station and bases

[pallid ridge]

oooh that's very interesting! ty so much for testing it out! it def sounds like a bug

[winged epoch]

Ah man this is unreal FSR 2.0 is so good I dont have a blurry mess of a game anymore

huh even in survival they dont have the enemies be "challenging", interesting

[winged epoch]

Fuck lol I got whipped by a plant once and it broke my life support

And of course the base building mission had to happen on a planet with no trees

[proper hemlock]

I started a new game on survival with everything set to challenging, turned the game into the hellscape I always wanted it to be haha. I'm loving this. I'm thinking I'll keep my normal and permadeath saves as they are for multiplayer and use survival for myself. Still need to organise my inventories but I'll do that in a couple of hours.

[little hamlet]

You are surviving that?!

[proper hemlock]

Took a few tries but I did eventually. I think in the long term it'll still turn out to be easy once I have farms/freighters set up. It's just that the effort to get there is so much more now. Reminds me a little of Dark Souls at this point, in that there's genuine relief when I manage to do something lol.

[frozen zenith]

not sure this is reported: the portable refinery has a duplication bug
it takes 80 carbon or 27 condensed as fuel, but when you dismantle it, it always returns you more carbon

like, 27 condensed costs 54 carbon, you fill those in the machine and dismantle it, it gives back 100 carbon, netting 46

[little hamlet]

It's been a thing for a while

[frozen zenith]

oh..

lol yeah this is not that big of a deal really

it's not like you can exponentially cheat with it

guess it's fine

[limpid sluice]

yea, it's kind of like how you can craft di-hydrogen jelly with 40 di-hydrogen and then refine to get 50

[winged epoch]

main thing about the updated survival is that now I cant easily cheat my way through important essentials by just buying it outright for cheap

now it does feel more survival-y

[oak totem]

dunno if i wanna crank up all elements of the game

oooor just hostility

[winged epoch]

Do it it's fun unless you're not a fan of survival games

[oak totem]

i both am and isnt cuz i am having burnout lol

[gilded wolf]

Is the max inventory space now 120 for the exosuit and ship normal inventory? I just want clarification that no part of the update news seem to provide.

[oak totem]

well hello atlas u got a liftup

he is so shiny lol

[winged epoch]

"The maximum number of slots per inventory has been significantly increased, with 120 item slots and 60 technology slots now available." from the patch notes

[oak totem]

dou patch is kinda buggy expansion wise

[winged epoch]

ooh yeah now we gaming

inflation in NMS

[gilded wolf]

That again does not specify if it's exosuit or ship inventory for each category, nor does any other source specify it. I am asking for what people that have played the game have to say

[oak totem]

ok jesus those are expensive now lol

[winged epoch]

in the tutorial, price of one processor is 100k

[oak totem]

what the fuuuuuu o didnt expect that

[oak totem]

that is modified or standard`?

[dense loom]

How you ment to read this so tiny

[pallid ridge]

read which part?

[dense loom]

What they are

[pallid ridge]

did you click each item to inspect it?

[dense loom]

Yeah just looks tiny lol

[winged epoch]

modified to "expensive"

[dense loom]

Had to fix one ov my frighters that's new

[rustic bone]

If anyones having issues with setting up what they’ve lost and are pretty overwhelmed with the sudden balance patch(like I was). Here’s a few steps to take:

1. Go into difficulty settings and set cost to free(if you don’t mind using this until you’re set up to where you were)
2. After setting it to free you’re gonna slowly upgrade your exosuit tech and other ship stuff. Note: Right now slots are bugged and can’t go past 30 if you don’t already have a scrolling menu there. So don’t panic 60 is the cap.

If some stuff (like alien ships) takes a upgrade module, you can also a old refiner duping trick to get more of those in order to make space on your ship or freighter free of cost too.

3. Also most stuff like sprinting time or jetpack time are also now a difficulty setting you can set to unlimited.

Furthermore if you’d like to make a suggestion here’s a message you can copy paste and edit for a feature that would probably help a lot of people(or just yourself) even if this patch somehow didn’t affect you much.

With the recent update and playing through it I feel the game is missing one last custom game setting. A lot of people seem upset about not being able to have 6 upgrades anymore. Adding a setting that goes a little like
:Tech Overload Status:
-No overload (unlimited upgrades)
-Some Overload (4 upgrades maximum)
-Less Overload (2 upgrades maximum)
-Help my Ship is on fire (No random class upgrades allowed(unchangeable)

Will probably help. This is the hg request I put in myself.

[dusty hornet]

Thank you all so much, can't express how much I appreciate this!

[jade lion]

We have had reports of using the dpad, or q and e to access tech slots still works, even though the buttons aren't listed.

[rustic bone]

Ima try that later then

[oak totem]

i agree with most of those outside unlimited point cuz i dont wanna brick it wide open

no offense

[keen hatch]

oh the prices went double
the question is, did module strength double too?

[rustic bone]

Oh that’s fine, that’s why I said it’s something like a template for it to be edited. I just put unlimited there as like an option for those that would just like endless power for whatever reason.

[keen hatch]

also, can we package and share stuff like Vesper Sail and Photonix Core? im getting mixed info about it

[proper hemlock]

If anyone starting over would like resources to get you started, just ask. I have most basic materials, fuel, AI valves, freighter fuel, tainted metal ect. You're also welcome to my surplus upgrades (S class, I don't use X-class soz). I don't mind taking the time myself but appreciate not everyone might have the time to grind.

[rustic bone]

It’s kinda hit or miss for unique parts. The singularity drive for freighters was unable to be packaged and traded, but those being regular ship parts might be able to be traded. Otherwise you could probably just buy a cheap solar ship to get them or see if you can package it.

[proper hemlock]

I just bought a second solar to test this, how do I package a vesper sail? It looks like we can't but just asking about the process to make sure.

[rustic bone]

Hovering over it and pressing triangle on console iirc.

It’s probably counted as a built in technology like launch thrusters.

[proper hemlock]

Gotcha. Yeah it can't be packaged, I can package the modules I installed but nothing that came built in like you said.

@keen hatch You can't package the vesper sail sorry, not sure about the phoenix core. I believe I'm locked out of getting that so someone else will have to pick that one up 😄

[keen hatch]

ty for checking

well thats a bummer

photonix core is installable tech, so there is hope

on the other hand, singularity engine is a blueprint too, and u guys say its not packageable

[rustic bone]

Singularity engine can be packaged but not traded

[keen hatch]

it feels so random

i wish i could check it all myself but i cant play now

but im bursting with curiosity xD

[rustic bone]

Someone tested earlier with singularity engine

[jade lion]

The sails make sense, that's mandatory tech on a solar

[keen hatch]

ah i see

[rustic bone]

Never know what shiny new glitches we might find though

[jade lion]

Yep!

Gotta try

[rustic bone]

I might try putting regular tech in a alien ship

[keen hatch]

i remember someone saying they got their hands on 2 photonix cores somehow

[proper hemlock]

I brought all my tech to the anomaly to see exactly what we can trade one by one by dumping it on unsuspecting randoms, but I can't see other players rip.

[keen hatch]

whoops

[proper hemlock]

Hmm, I can't transfer any modules to other players at all. Not even the installable S class ones we can buy from the space station, resources work fine but I'm not even getting the option for modules.

[keen hatch]

is there any way we can upgrade exosuit slots in bulk?

[rustic bone]

I don’t think so

The most efficient way is to get drop pod coordinate data

[keen hatch]

ohh that sucks

i remember we were getting exosuit expansion units in expeditions

is there any way to get them in normal?

[jade lion]

Not without a save editor (or someone duping them)

[keen hatch]

sadge

[keen hatch]

were there always chairs like this on space stations?

ok thats definetely new

[rustic bone]

Those expansion units can we use those in regular saves?

[jade lion]

Yes

[winged epoch]

yes as its also available in regular gameplay now

[rustic bone]

Gonna need to get me some of those for my tech slots

Really?

[winged epoch]

can get exosuit augments from space station missions

others too

[rustic bone]

Definitely gonna do that once my braces don’t feel like my face is being deformed

[winged epoch]

apparently that's pretty much the only mission rewards I'm seeing at the moment, not sure if intentional or bugged

[rustic bone]

Maybe both

[keen hatch]

oh thats interesting
but they get instantly used, dont they?

[winged epoch]

no they act like other augments

will stack in storage until you go to an exosuit booth

then you can use it

[keen hatch]

niiiiiiice

time to hunt one of those and dupe the hell out of it

but it still has to be an unused booth right?

[winged epoch]

can be a used booth

getting real dusty now are we

ok the tech breaking difficulty is real painful lol

get smacked by a dumb plant once
goodbye random S class tech

[keen hatch]

lmao

well at least it can finally be a reason to avoid plants in endgame

[winged epoch]

and its a new game in survival so I dont have the mats or repair kits

[keen hatch]

figures

[winged epoch]

its brutal I love it

[keen hatch]

dam i love new teleport at the anomaly

and this mist pool in front of it

[winged epoch]

finally giving me the opportunity to use all the help I can get rather than playing very minimally

[keen hatch]

better to look at outlaw or regulated stations?

[winged epoch]

regulated

[keen hatch]

im seeing a lot of exosuit expansion maps but not expansion augments
keeping searching

[oak totem]

ah i want to be experimental buuuut it is so bloody lonely in anomally lol

[oak totem]

i kinda like watching the masses of players coming in and out lol

[winged epoch]

I play single player anyway as my pc isnt good for mp

so I'm on experimental if there's anything you need to ask

[oak totem]

mine is i just like seeing crowds lol

[winged epoch]

speaking of crowds, for some reason all the NPCs (except merchants) in space stations disappear after a while

reloading fixes it

[keen hatch]

do u remember what system did u see exosuit aug rewards? if u do, could u please share coords? i cant find any myself

[winged epoch]

I am pretty sure space station missions are not instanced in that manner

[keen hatch]

hmm yea probably

nvm found it

[keen hatch]

im chasing the trade rocket lol

loos like its really flying to the space station

shoulda try from a closer planet

wtf those exosuit expansion units allow to expand past 60 tech slots

[proper hemlock]

I've just started buying new slots too, for some reason when I open the menu to choose a slot, my PS5 is making a fairly loud whirring noise for around 3 - 4 seconds, stops for a couple then starts again. Doesn't seem to be overheating or anything though.

Will report it

[keen hatch]

fixed in experimental

for now if scroll till the new slot is visible, the noise goes away

[proper hemlock]

Sweet, thanks for letting me know!

[winged epoch]

Ok it looks like the tutorial chain is pretty much the same

But starting a custom save with the tutorial disabled, will also won't start Artemis path

Might be a bug

[cloud lagoon]

removing warp drive upgrades from starship. already using my freighter for full time for intersteller travel now i could use the additional slots for other starship upgrades

[simple nexus]

did you talk to the atlas interface when you started ?

I'm playing without the tutorial quests and I'm halfway the artemis storyline

[winged epoch]

as in doing the atlas path?

then no not yet but the space anomaly mission tells me to select a nonexistent mission to start the storyline

[simple nexus]

no as in the ... thing near your ship when you start

[winged epoch]

oh damn I dont think I did

[simple nexus]

that has a echo of atlas, or something like that ?

yeah thats where my path started

[winged epoch]

the fact that the trading rocket actually goes to the space station is a really nice detail

[fluid whale]

I can confirm that you can land your Living Ship on planets today.
#nms-photomode-gallery message

[velvet flicker]

Is the 4.0 update not coming to switch?

[oak totem]

@rich smelt

get in here

[rich smelt]

oooooo

[fluid whale]

Only HG knows.

[rich smelt]

thank u

[velvet flicker]

Says in patch notes it was going to but i habe not seen update at all yet:(

[limpid sluice]

apparently Nintendo has an atrocious approval time for updates

[oak totem]

i mean to hg credit nintendo period is the worst to process certifications out of the main 3 consoles

from what i hear from all indie devs

[little hamlet]

You know Nintendo lackin when HG can release a patch before a major update is approved to switch

Also, is it just me who feels like the game is missing out on stuff just because Switch doesnt have the Press A to start screen?

[velvet flicker]

Thank you i guess i will just have to wait like rest i just wanted make sure i wasn't missing something

[oak totem]

i mean no ill against switch or nintendo but their speed on cert is extremely lacking compared to all other platforms releasing several patches before switch finish first one

bur eh u dont have multiplayer so u don need to worry about version mismatch

[little hamlet]

We just want Waypoint on Switch, that's a lot of players waiting

[oak totem]

ok im not denying that i was just joking lol

[little hamlet]

ik

Like I have No Man's Sky on Xbox, I just still want it on switch

[oak totem]

tbh i value multiplayer too much to play on console or switch lol

[proper hemlock]

It is, waiting on Nintendo to approve the patch. They take a while

[little hamlet]

MP lowers my frames on xbox one s so bad i usually play cloud gaming. i just like other people bein round

[oak totem]

fair. i meant no ill lol

[little hamlet]

I know haha

[small drift]

I think it's pretty odd that they didn't just release Switch with 4.0 on disc. Imagine being a new player, starting with Outlaws, and then a few days later everything is entirely different

[winged epoch]

fuck this game became real stressful I had to save scum my way out of a dogfight as I'd keep getting close to dying

[little hamlet]

Just lower the difficulty

[winged epoch]

I'm intentionally playing on max difficulty to see how it is

[little hamlet]

Then that's on you, you're getting mad at the game being stressful because you're making it stressful

[winged epoch]

I'm not mad I'm enjoying this

[little hamlet]

This tells me otherwise

OH

I misread it-

I thought it said "fuck this game because real stressful"

My bad 😅

[winged epoch]

haha no problem

ayo

[little hamlet]

That's basically Drop Pod Coordinate data, they just removed the need for a survey beacon

[near otter]

Pretty useful!

Even tho it's probably quicker to just.. hop from stations to stations, right?

Less fun, obviously, but probably quicker

[oak totem]

wasnt it u that insited on cranking difficulty? lol

[oak totem]

yep

[winged epoch]

Yeah but its great that the difficulty actually exists now rather than it being incredibly easy as usual

[proper hemlock]

Is things really gonna be all that different? 😮

[small drift]

In terms of the inventory and the balance and really just "what kind of game type do I start with" it's going to be pretty different. From what I've heard the early game isn't much different in terms of tutorials and story though. People will get the hang of it, but it's going to be confusing for new players I would think

[oak totem]

just veterans having to sort 9 ships, a freighter, and exosuit tech per save

not the worst

cuz again was needed

[proper hemlock]

There seems to be an issue with displaying exosuit storage correctly when viewing it from the storage container menu. In that it only displays the first seven rows of general inventory. Anything below that can still be moved over to storage by coming out the container menu and transferring it via the normal menu though. Gonna report it now

[unkempt summit]

do the crash reports on ps4 go to hello games directly or to sony?

the ones that let you automatically attach the 15 seconds of recording before the game crashed

[barren bane]

i would guess to Hello Games

You can use this link as well

!hg

[meager lion]

You can submit bug reports, suggestions or feedback to Hello Games here: https://hellogames.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/requests/new

[unkempt summit]

yup, ty

oh yea, is autosave togglable?

[barren bane]

no idea, checked the settings?

[jade lion]

It isnt

[winged epoch]

I didn't find any

[unkempt summit]

oh. 💀

[naive shadow]

well. i i started my save up 😬

where can i find new tech slots?

[winged epoch]

Same as usual, you just need to select the tech inventory with your cursor or press Q/E

[naive shadow]

i mean

where can i BUY

[winged epoch]

Exosuit expansion booths, next to the first NPC store on the right side of the station after landing

[naive shadow]

🙏🏿 thanks angel

[keen hatch]

sooo, in 4.03 we now have 99 tech slots for everything

[graceful elk]

but still a 3 upgrade limit?

[keen hatch]

lemme check real quick

but most likely yes

yes, still 3

[graceful elk]

I don't understand what they expect us to put in those slots, I have everything unlocked and can't even fill 60

unlocked and max mods installed

and I'm not one of the update haters, fine with the changes, but I if tech is really going to 99 from 60 but keeping existing limits I'm baffled, there's not enough tech in the game to fill that

[naive shadow]

Not yet 😉

[small drift]

that sounds like a bug. the 4.03 patch notes say it should be 60 max for tech. Fixed a UI issue that could make it difficult to expand inventories up to their intended maximum dimensions (of 60 for technology and 120 for items).

[keen hatch]

well for what i can guess
at first i changed to Free purchases, and managed to get 99 tech in my suit, 1 ship and 1 MT
then i changed to Normal, and got another MT only to 60
then changed to Free again, but after that all my ships and MT got only to 60 tech

seems like a bug indeed

but i wonder what will happen to my 99-slotted stuff after they try to fix it

[small drift]

probably turn them into packages like they did in 4.00

[glad wolf]

Launch thruster system at 70%

"Not enough fuel to summon ship"

[proper hemlock]

I noticed I could add more slots after 60 (I added 61 but reloaded the save so I'm back to 60). I figured if it's bug then I'll just leave it at 60. I'd imagine the extra items automatically get repackaged when it's patched, but I don't need that many upgrades anyway, normally I'm up for being a guinea pig but I'll leave it this time lol

[glad wolf]

Also, apparently if you have 250/500 of a material and you acquire 251 of that material but have no more room for overflow, it will delete the entire 251 and not give you any of it.

[barren bane]

lol

[glad wolf]

Instead of just giving you what you can hold and discarding the rest.

[graceful elk]

most annoying thing for me is that trying to move an item between storage containers using d-pad increases/decreases the stack up/down depending if I press left or right to change containers (xbox)

so I keep having to move all my stacks to the right when I move stuff if I don't want to move them multiple times

[glad wolf]

Were the launch thruster rechargers removed?

[graceful elk]

if you had it installed before it will be stored in your inventory if you didn't have enough tech slots

[glad wolf]

Nah, I'm on a new save. Just noticed that none of the ships at the terminals have them.

Used to be that everything but the default ship had them.

Just curious, probably better for the long run.

But they definitely leveled out the ship pricing, though.

[graceful elk]

it's always been a tech you need to unlock/install as far as I remember, except solars which have it built in to the vesper sail

[glad wolf]

Nah, ships came pre-installed with it all the time.

It was actually way rarer for me to come across one that didn't have one.

[naive shadow]

Wait no. You definitely have to buy sonething for that

[glad wolf]

Yeah, it makes sense now.

It always made me wonder why it was for sale on the station when it was pretty much free on every ship.

Lol

[naive shadow]

Haha

[glad wolf]

Now you actually need to put in at least a little work for it.

[glad wolf]

Oh wtf

You now need 2 hyperdrive fuel cells?

The quest still says you only need the one.

But nope, you need two, I think.

Unless it's even more expensive.

And nobody on board the station sells oxygen, that's awesome.

[frozen pier]

So, I tried upgrading my Exosuit to 120 cargo storage slot, but once I reached 120 went back to my base and save the game, and reload, it goes back to 100. Can anyone else confirm they are getting this as well ?

[fluid whale]

I don't know if this was reported:
Just went ||through a black hole and took zero damage in tech. Nothing in exosuit damaged either. ||
This is new right? Going through would normally break things?

[graceful elk]

tech inventory was always protected during black hole jumps, only stuff in general broke. now tech is only in tech so nothing breaks, not sure if intentional or not

[winged epoch]

Unbalanced isn't the right word imo, it was inconsistent

Why let certain stuff get 6 tech and others only 3

[pallid ridge]

👉 #memes🤡

[pallid ridge]

i concur

[limpid sluice]

????

[winged epoch]

Multitools and exocrafts only had 1 tab of inventory, so you couldn't get more than 3 tech in it

[limpid sluice]

because it was that from the start of the game

6 upgrades too was from the start of the game

until they changed it

[winged epoch]

Yeah hence it being inconsistent

Especially when ground combat has nearly equal weightage, if not more important than space combat but letting ships scale more than multitools didnt really make sense and exocrafts could have really benefited from being able to have more storage alongside being able to scale higher in speeds and power

Now it's consistent all across the board

Now I wish HG adds another difficulty slider to let us control tech overload, with 6 being the default and then maybe 3 and 1 as higher difficulty

[limpid sluice]

also have a problem with the cheat codes

they should be locked to the start of the game only

[winged epoch]

Nah, I think its good you can change on the fly as it gives people the option to play how they feel like at a given moment

[limpid sluice]

fair

I feel like they should lock

[winged epoch]

What they could do is add a lock option for players who don't want to get tempted to make the game easier, like in minecraft

[limpid sluice]

oops pressed enter too early

uhhh

everything under crafting and items settings

like at the start of the game

that should be locked

[rustic bone]

I agree that having a option for locking in would be nice.

Just for the sake of removing temptation for those really bad days.

[severe temple]

I don’t understand why they had to fix an “exploit” that was there from the beggining of the game. Since the start we were supposed to be installing in the general slot and after sticking by this game for so long with hours of grinding being subsidized for the new update. I love No Mans Sky but i don’t think i’m going to be playing as often after this new update and the unfurnished feeling new inventory.

[small wyvern]

Glad I played Survival and Permadeath before this update. What an example of how game designers unaware of core players ruin a game with one patch.

[winged epoch]

I'm enjoying survival mode a lot now, there's actual tension that I never felt before in this game which is almost surreal it feels like I'm playing a modded game

[open ravine]

even on normal, getting through level 5 it's not a walk in the park anymore for sure. 😄 getting exosuit damaged techs etc etc 😄

[finite cape]

Has the overall performance of nms inceeased? I'm getting higher frame rates on my PC after update to 4.0.

[winged epoch]

Only slightly for me, until I turned on FSR 2.0

[open ravine]

i'm seeing a lot smoother avg fps, with high across the board, tessellation standard, fsr 2.0 quality (i5-4670k, 1070ti, 16G ram)

basically locked on 60

[finite cape]

On my Notebook i get nearly playable frame rates. Specs: i7-6770hq, 24gb RAM, nvidia 940mx 2gb

Looks a bit smoother with waypoint update

It is amazing, that they managed to get it on Switch. The graphics is comparable with a nvidia 920

[winged epoch]

it seems the rewards for doing Base Computer Archives have changed a bit

the second reward isn't a save point anymore, you get the solar panel generator

[loud sandal]

the only thing that made me unaware is difficulty settings for my past saves

for example my normal save can be changed into either survival or creative

[winged epoch]

yep and it doesnt affect multiplayer aside from permadeath

[loud sandal]

yup, however, i'd rather keep my survival mode save difficulty unchanged, only my past normal mode which i abandoned i did

feels like cheating to me

[oak totem]

alllright tim for me to suffer and test my patience on max difficulty as well

dunno if i dare perma or just survival

[keen hatch]

Idk i took base computer quest, it gave me salv data and disappeared

[oak totem]

wat lol

[winged epoch]

do just survival unless you are absolutely prepared

in fact I removed death consequences from my max difficulty just because I dont want to die and lose everything from some terrain glitch

[oak totem]

fairs

lets see if i die moment one 🤣

[winged epoch]

but I'm still real afraid of dying in general and I kept getting close to it every other time

actually avoiding pirates now just because I dont want my critical tech ripped out from me in deep space and dying

[oak totem]

ok this already hurts af jesus @earnest lantern

harsh sizes lol

[proper hemlock]

They increased stack sizes to 300 on survival? Yesssssssssss

I haven't even gathered that much to notice lol

[oak totem]

thats the harshest stack size btw

so yes

[proper hemlock]

It was only 250 in general invo before, I'm delighted with that haha

[oak totem]

only stuff i reduced cd on was scanner and sprint lol

[loud sandal]

if i would explain about survival, if you never experienced normal mode gameplay, i'd advise against playing in highest difficulty, i'm already into survival mode so this would be good for experienced players like me

[oak totem]

oh ive played several normal savesi know game enough. only thing i would avoid is pd

i have like 400h

[loud sandal]

okay, if you wanted to experience in survival mode, you must not equip any grenade, since any accidental click would result in death. so it's a preventive measure, i already experienced getting grenade bombed unintentionally in normal mode.

also cannons which you have to get rid of those

[oak totem]

i havent used grenades since i started cuz everyone and their mother warning me about it lol

[loud sandal]

oh that's good news

i experienced those via trial and error alone

[oak totem]

dou not a bad starting planet for once lol

[loud sandal]

mine was scorced planet, but sheltering in caves are always handy

[oak totem]

ive mined a few hundred cobalt im just refining carbon atm

[loud sandal]

90+ hours of gameplay in survival mode, my core progress is nothing but farming for more units for upgrades

that creative mode is actually from my past normal gameplay mode which i spent most back then

i downgraded from normal to creative as an experiment

[oak totem]

nice protogeks lol

[winged epoch]

minutes after getting to build the pulse splitter

but now I've 3 damaged tech I cant repair because no wiring looms because not enough money 👍

[naive shadow]

is getting the sentinels after you after destroying asteroids new

[winged epoch]

maybe? I have never heard of this before

how did it exactly happen, they just showed up while mining?

[near otter]

Same here, I'm gonna wait before playing on my main save until they change some stuff, either bring back 6 tech slots, or change stuff so we reverse the massive nerf everyone got-

[winged epoch]

while I understand feeling pissed because they yoinked half your work, does the 3 extra tech really make the difference?

I was already blazing through pirates with just 3 S class positron upgrades on my A class solar ship

the only pain point I'm feeling is for movement upgrades

[proper hemlock]

I tried it. It tried resetting everything with the new settings and I gave 4.0 a shot but I still despise it

I don’t know how to make NMS enjoyable for me anymore tbh

Like… idk. Who gives a crap about balance? There’s LITERALLY zero competitive nature to the game

I wish you could send pics on here because someone summed this update way better than I could but… ugh. This was my chill and relax game. What do I play now?

[winged epoch]

I dont get it how does that affect your enjoyment of the game impact this much

its still the same chill and relaxing game

[tacit flume]

you likely hit annpc miner near an asteroid and didn't even see them, that riles up the space police, new with um Endurance I think, when they brought in the new asteroid fields

[fluid whale]

Anyone else notice an inventory sorting bug where you are moving things around? If you go right it moves everything if you go left it reduces the amount moved. Previously you reduced by going down.. Which made sense.
Now it's difficult because you may want to move to a different tab, but if you go left you don't move it all and have to go back to retrieve the rest.

Anyone notice that and does it bother you?

[fluid whale]

Should be able to post a pic here #nms-media and then share the link in here. If it would help illustrate your statement.

[unborn coyote]

...all of them, I guess?

[winged epoch]

each of them have their own booth to upgrade - for exosuit, ship and multitool its in the space station at the respective NPC shops, for freighter its at the command center

[fluid whale]

Did you figure it out or do you still need a refresher?

[unborn coyote]

Still need a refresher, just in case.

[small drift]

I would say that in places I've seen 4.0 going below 60fps on the PS5

[tawdry mist]

what

[gilded wolf]

Are there new frigate upgrades/uses for frigate upgrade modules?

[oak totem]

i do it a lot and im usually above 130

[tacit flume]

in 4.0 as compared to Endurance? not that I know of

[gaunt sorrel]

I don't mind the inventory changes as I wasn't min maxing, but I'm not a fan of the difficulty settings because it feels weird grinding for stuff when you know you could just change one setting and it'd be all be free and not cheating

like I won't use the difficulty settings (unless I make them harder for a challenge run) but it's a weird feeling

[nocturne basin]

I don't mind the new difficulty settings thing, but they could at least have split the general slots 50-50 between carggo and tech instead of just turning general into more cargo. Everyone with maxed out suits now has to re-open slots to put all their carefully arranged tech for adjacency again.

Seriously, would have been nice to those who took the time and effort to max out their suit to give them something more than just "all your general slots techs are now offline until you can open up these special slots to put them in. Enjoy the new update!"

[winged epoch]

You'll get used to the feeling just like how people got used to going to the space anomaly and being handed out billions of units of items for free

[nocturne basin]

I have many a and s class upgrades for life support and similar that I now have to farm the upgrade kiosks for slots to use again, thanks to this.

[winged epoch]

Yeah it sucks they didn't compensate for this

[gaunt sorrel]

I just feel like the new difficulty settings should have been restricted to new game creation and you set them when you make the save, then they get locked

[nocturne basin]

Yeah, sucks so much but I'm at least thankful I have about a billion units to spend on this.

[winged epoch]

The whole point for the settings is that you can tweak your game as you wish, it's all about opening the doors for accessibility

[gaunt sorrel]

yeah that's not a bad thing; a lot of games do that (subnautica, project zomboid, the long dark, etc.) but they all restrict it to new game creation, then locked lol

not "change on a whim"

even minecraft locks it to new game creation unless you use the lan trick to enable cheats (at least for most of the settings; I know difficulty can still be changed)

[winged epoch]

While I think they should add an option to lock the settings, I like this setup more than the other games

[gaunt sorrel]

at the very least, making it so that you had to go back to the main menu to change the settings would have helped IMO

[winged epoch]

If at any point I feel overwhelmed I can just quickly go and drop the difficulty, it's something I want in most games as I'm not ready for a challenge every time

[faint shadow]

I play PS5 and can confirm this. Screen stuttering while in first person mode and turning camera. Especially noticeable on the anomaly and planets with storms and dense grass and vegetation.

NMS was running smoothly on PS5 before the update.

[bold marsh]

I play on ps4 slim and I don't have this. In case you care at all

[faint shadow]

That's actually good to know. I may change my settings to 1080p and see if that runs smoother. It could be that the update messed with 2k and 4k on PS5

[faint shadow]

Ok. So it seems to stutter and dip when resolution is set to 2160p in video settings on PS5.

1440p and 1080p runs smooth.

[pallid ridge]

someone else mentioned issues on their PS5 with a stuttering problem. i hope you've reported it to HG too via their zendesk?

[pallid ridge]

@dim blaze did you try messing with the settings?

[faint shadow]

Not sure if you can see it on this compressed video, but screen icons seem to be really choppy when turning. Even after adjusting video settings.

I will also report the frame rate drop on 2160p setting to HG.

[pallid ridge]

yeah! that's exactly what Doc showed me. please do submit it to HG. hopefully they can have a hotfix for it soon

along with the video too i mean

all info helps

[faint shadow]

Will do! 👍

[unborn coyote]

Is it really? Dead? Really?

[small drift]

yeah I've noticed this too. You can see lag also in the Nexus hangar and the space stations. I'm not sure if it's all the fog rendering or something else..

[rustic bone]

Remember to read pins if the update caught you off guard with the upgrade changes

[loud sandal]

i noticed something about di-hydrogen jelly, it's still available on settlement's galactic trade

it's clearly a loophole for unavailability of di-hydrogen crystals on every galactic trade in higher difficulty

[outer lake]

Well I finally complained to Microsoft about not getting the update for Xbox

[fluid whale]

Is this my version number? GamePass.
HelloGames.NoMansSky_4.0.28863.0

[outer lake]

@fluid whale yes

[fluid whale]

So it's updated??

[outer lake]

They have yet to release an update

You can go to the Xbox support site and submit a problem about it

As I just did

[fluid whale]

I heard they released a patch already. to make it 4.something

[outer lake]

Look at the news ticker, there isn't a pach for Xbox yet

[fluid whale]

!nmsversions

LOL you have to run that in #bot-spam

[fluid whale]

What's newsticker?

[outer lake]

#nms-news-ticker

[pallid ridge]

You can also run !NmsVersions in #bot-spam (we also have a pin for this info updated in #nms-questions)

!NmsVersions

[meager lion]

to view, enable Link Preview

<:nmsatlas:972222451801010207> **Latest Release:** 4.0

<:gdiv:887616988946497556>

Known Builds

• Exp: 94588 4.03
• Public: 94588 4.03
• GOG: 94588 4.03
• PS5: 94601 4.03
• PS4: 94588 4.03
• GP: 94399 4.0
• Switch: 92789 1.2

<:gdiv:887616988946497556>

Steam Branches
<t:1665248800:f>
Public: 9677936
<t:1665169824:f>
Experimental: 9677936
<t:1665169517:f>
Internal: 9677936

⠀

For NMS updates, see HG's Release Log & follow #nms-announcements. For notifications, get pingable role in #roles.

#nms-news-ticker shows updates as they roll out for each platform.

Experimental Patch Notes: Latest » | All »

PC update issues? Microsoft store help »

Contributors: Devilin Pixy#9298, Singular Gleam#4977, RedHotTrouble#3707

[outer lake]

@pallid ridge thank you, I will also complain to HG in a bit. This is getting ridiculous

[pallid ridge]

maybe even check with Xbox Support. last time someone checked in with them, it seems like Xbox dropped the ball.

in respect to similar past issue i mean, with an update not rolling out when expected

[outer lake]

@pallid ridge I have already submitted a report to them about it

[outer lake]

I don't have high hopes for this

[dim blaze]

i'm playing on a 1080p TV, don't think i have any output resolution options

[pallid ridge]

ooh got ya. wasn't sure if that'd have an effect. you're not the NMS++ pay to win subscriber i see

[dim blaze]

lol

[oak totem]

I still have a lot of issues of my 3070ti relatively often dip to 50 lol

And i dont even know why

Im usually higher with dlss ultra performance

[oak totem]

@winged epochtried maximum difficulty but remembered i already hate sentinels as is so changed my mind lol

[outer lake]

Xbox updated to 4.3.2

[little hamlet]

Okay, I need to talk to the Switch workers at HG. Why did they do this?!

[tacit flume]

!hg

[meager lion]

You can submit bug reports, suggestions or feedback to Hello Games here: https://hellogames.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/requests/new

[little hamlet]

DPad right decreases stack size, DPad left increases-

I don't think it's a bug, since it's the genuine controls

Me and Sean need to have a chat about these controls.

[tacit flume]

if you have a suggestion for the way the controls should work, submit it there

[little hamlet]

Alright

[outer lake]

@little hamlet it is as I find it annoying on the Xbox as well

[tacit flume]

if many players are saying the same thing, hg will hear about it, that's important

[little hamlet]

It's like that on Xbox too?

[outer lake]

@little hamlet yep

[little hamlet]

Bruh...

[outer lake]

When I move stuff now I use a keyboard and mouse

Even though I am faster with a controller

[little hamlet]

I've submitted it

With the mention of Xbox too

[outer lake]

🙏🏻

[oak totem]

?

u mean double down on stack size + tabs?

[little hamlet]

The bindings for switching stack size is reversed

Left increases, right decreases

[oak totem]

ooook thats scuffed

lol

[outer lake]

@oak totem I moved to keyboard because of it even though I have played with a controller for nearly two decades. That's how much it annoys me

[finite cape]

Finally: Switch update is online

[jade lion]

For a couple hours now 😄

[finite cape]

Tried half an hour ago and nothing was there

[jade lion]

Where are you?

Europe?

[finite cape]

Europe

[jade lion]

Interesting, wonder why it took longer

[finite cape]

Maybe load balancing

[outer lake]

@finite cape it might be, are you near major infrastructure?

Like skyscrapers and that such

[finite cape]

I'm located in a major city. My Internet provider uses shared ip4 addresses for multiple customers.

[outer lake]

Ok, then it's probably network traffic then

[wispy dune]

Question: whats the biggest change not in the patch notes

[tacit flume]

probably one of the bugs, like: new freighters don't have a hyperdrive and you can't get the blueprint either (woops)

[oak totem]

i mean mitey cuz poofed into space 😂

[oak totem]

wait wha?

[tacit flume]

known bug, so if you get a freighter after this update, and that happens, go report it. hopefully the next set of fixes will take care of that problem

[fluid whale]

Where do I go to read what's in the update patch?
My Xbox just upgraded to 4.3.290

[tacit flume]

https://www.nomanssky.com/2022/10/waypoint-patch-4-03/

[fluid whale]

Thank you.
Just read it.
Need to test the landing on planet in LS. Could on Saturday, could not on Sunday.

[rare current]

How did they break starships?

[frank ocean]

unless hello games fixes the mess they made out of the starship tech and hyperdrives I will uninstall I grinded for weeks to get my ship they way I liked it

[frank ocean]

went from six tech tech slots to three and screwed the hyperdrive my ship had a range of 800 light years now its just 250 the inventory fix yeah I like it. but unbreak the star ships if they think combat is too easy then make pirates more dangerous (I dont PVP) will complain again to hello games zen desk these major nerfs that break games should be considered fraud

[rare current]

Ok

[tacit flume]

I would only suggest to be as clear in your request (these things made the game worse for me because of X Y and Z) and also polite, as possible, so it's more likely to be read all the way through and someone actually taking away something from your message.

!hg

[meager lion]

You can submit bug reports, suggestions or feedback to Hello Games here: https://hellogames.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/requests/new

[frank ocean]

agreed have done that. its broken the game for me will just uninstall if its nots fixed Bethesda broke fallout 76 by nerfing weapons down to being useless have not played in several years

[rare current]

With fallout 76, you can’t break a broken bone

[fluid whale]

This seems promising. Not sure when the patch will release, but I think it's in experimental for PC's.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGjQOgi7xfA

[wispy dune]

Just steam I think

[rare current]

Kinda ironic that an inventory update makes me spend less time in inventory’s

[bold marsh]

Fallout 76 was fixed for a very long time lmao almost to the point of nms but they fucked it up again

No more off topic 😫

[faint shadow]

I may have found an exploit. I've noticed that X class mods have a much higher chance of high to max stats roll in survival mode vs Normal mode. And now that we can change difficulty on a whim, we can take advantage of that and easily get Max stat X class mods. I've been able to get multiple hyperdrive modules with 100% efficiency, 300ly this way. And also other max stat mods.

It also works with S class mods too.

[winged epoch]

how did you figure this out?

they have higher chances of higher than S class rolls in a recent update but before 4.0, dont remember exactly which one

maybe outlaws

[faint shadow]

By going into my experimental save and duplicating a bunch of X class and S class mods to see if the stats changed in the update. I noticed that I was getting consistently higher stats much easier on one of my survival saves where as my normal save was struggling. So I decided to test it on my save I don't mind glitching and or messing around on.

And yes. Before this update that was a thing that was added. However it seems to have been buffed as I'm getting them MUCH more often

And when you switch to survival from normal, it seems it increases the drop chance numbers so you can easily get higher stats with less mods needed.

[winged epoch]

I feel like it might be unintentional, as I'd expect normal mode to have a higher chance than survival

[faint shadow]

Probably. Which is why I'm posting this info here. It's very interesting how easy it is to get a god stat roll in survival vs normal play now. And really interesting that you can change your luck by simply clicking one setting over into survival mode.

Then go right back into normal without consequence

[rare current]

4.0 may not have a lot of content, but the new guide page and the medals make me interact with more stuff then before, and making it seem like there’s more content

But

Please

Double

Hyperdrive

Range

[faint shadow]

I think they should just add an option in the UI settings that turns off mod overload. That way people can do whatever they want. And it would be hilarious and fun to have a ship maxed out with nothing but hyperdrive range

[winged epoch]

and I think HG should make saves have pvp off by default, these changes are making it worse for multiplayer apparently

people in creative mode bullying others

[faint shadow]

Definitely. People can go into permadeath and toggle damage off. Then go after players who have pvp turned on and kill them without worry of dying.

[rare current]

Can’t turn damage off in permadeath tho

Custom save players or creative mode saves should not be able to damage anyone

[faint shadow]

That's weird. Cause I've seen people doing it. May need to report it as a bug.

I'm on PS5 though.

[rare current]

You can turn save deleted on death on any save but there’s no way to know if someone has it on or off

[rare current]

A bolt caster with 32 maxed out x class

[faint shadow]

Imagine having a multi tool with nothing but mining mods too 😂

Or scanner range

The possibilities would be endlessly fun

[rare current]

A ship that teleports to planets it’s so fast

Touching the joystick would send you into a tailspin

[faint shadow]

Get like 5 million units for scanning one creature haha

[rare current]

It would add so many hours of messing around and creating stupid combos