nms-spoilers

[analog breach]

We cant be sure intill official release

[ionic lily]

Hi so is either killing Artemis of uploading him the finish on the Artemis thing cuz idk but don’t like completely spoil it.

[fervent fern]

It's not the finish of the Artemis Path, if that's what you are asking

[ionic lily]

Ok

Thx

[violet cosmos]

Oh, ha. I was working on something else and I noticed there's a SeasonRewardTable20 ("Season" is their internal word for "expedition"). Guess they probably had one ready-ish to go but Corvette may have taken too long to get out.

Ah, looks like it's just got a bunch of placeholder stuff from expedition 15 though, nothing juicy.

[fervent fern]

But it points to a 20th expedition I guess... right?

[violet cosmos]

I'm looking at rewardtable.MXML which just lists all the available rewards. It has sections for each expedition, from SeasonRewardTable1 to SeasonRewardTable20. But SeasonRewardTable20 looks like a copy of SeasonRewardTable15 as far as the phase rewards. Looks like the milestone rewards are also copies of 15. I guess that was their placeholder expedition.

[fervent fern]

Oh, was saying that in light of BomberBoi's message

[grizzled apex]

They leave extra reward table entries in for new expeditions in usually

[fervent fern]

The expedition set to start next week

Perhaps it is the 20th after all...
...one can dream.

[grizzled apex]

All of the unused "future proofing" entries are just copies of an older expedition's rewards. We can't glean anything off of that except for the fact that expeditions arent ending as a form of content (which we can conclude off of several other factors anyway)

[violet cosmos]

Oh is that data mined somewhere?

[fervent fern]

Not sure if it's still there in their server 😅
#nms-spoilers message

[grizzled apex]

the start date usually gets set serverside about a week or so before an expedition is due, and the expedition itself being "lined up" on the server usually happens a while before that

[violet cosmos]

I see, where are you pulling the server side data from?

[grizzled apex]

I was part of a team which worked on RE-ing HG's server structure for things like discovery services, expeditions etc a few years back. We have a full repository lining the workings out, but were contacted by Iain Brown (HG's main server developer) before making the repo public asking us not to do so

He didn't seem to mind us making tools w/ the information though, which is why we still have a way to request some info from said servers

[violet cosmos]

I see, so you have like a secret list of publicly accessible endpoints or something?

[grizzled apex]

A lot of info on their servers yea.

[violet cosmos]

Sounds about right for HG, heh

[grizzled apex]

It makes sense tbh, I can imagine them lifting the restriction whenever NMS reaches EOL, but having community server reflections probably wont help before that, and just invite bad actors which would spread their team even thinner

[violet cosmos]

I mean having publicly accessible endpoints that you don't want people to know about is already pretty bad. Security through obscurity.

[grizzled apex]

They did a better job at restricting access to them eventually though, and even fixed up a few bugs we reported. So it's still in a better position than launch at least

[boreal knoll]

Guys one of the greatest NMS players ever is that one person who built the portals to the 14 glyphs he is a hero

[hot trout]

True, but you can also get them by doing the main story

[reef cosmos]

Got a question. I'm not the only one who sees an Enderman easter egg?.. On this one screen...

[hot trout]

What screen?

[reef cosmos]

wish i could share the screen shot i took but it's on the screen you get when reloading a save

to the right..

[fervent fern]

Post in #nms-media

[reef cosmos]

okey

done

[hot trout]

Wait what the...

[fervent fern]

#nms-media message
Seems to me just sci-fi tech stuff. You can see a few columns of blue light, too.
Don't think it's any kind of easter egg.

[reef cosmos]

RIGHT!??

[hot trout]

What is the blue

[reef cosmos]

there is noo way that a happen stance.

they are too perfect

[fervent fern]

When it comes to easter eggs, HG is more explicit I've found...

Here, an example #no-mans-sky message

[glossy drum]

Spoilers question: during the Purge questiline, I'm given the option to reset the simulation to a new color of galaxy, whats a good choice?

[analog breach]

Color only affects planet chances in yellow systems.

[unborn ether]

Pulled from the files

[icy citrus]

W I D E

[unborn ether]

Looks like a 3 man seater too

[analog breach]

And one on the side

[unborn ether]

Oh true yeah

[analog breach]

My ship space for incoming parts is getting full 😓

[unborn ether]

with whats coming im prob gonna build something completely new

[lapis jewel]

Need this yesterday

[analog breach]

Im not using station corvette part storage until its 100% safe.

My parts stay in my ship for now

[covert coral]

wait is it not 100% safe???

all my parts are in the cache…

[analog breach]

Heard stories that sometimes parts vanish. It was few patches ago tho.

[glossy drum]

I’ve not seen this myself, and I’ve done a LOT with corvette custom building, glitch building, decorations, and other stuff that stretched the corvette builder limits

There’s just too much stuff to keep it in any inventory but the station parts builder

[ebon lark]

i'm currently doing the artemis path and i'm at the point it told me he's between universes... i'm trying to get the drives to get to a purple system for deep water planets.
i really want to go deep diving at least ones.

[fervent fern]

I'd say stay out of spoiler channels. 😆
It's a poignant story. Better if you find out by yourself.

We have an emoji, folks.

Can we confirm expedition 20?

[glossy drum]

I can confirm expedition 20

No idea when or what it’ll be, but it’ll happen

[fervent fern]

#nms-spoilers message
That's why -- we were wondering

[native carbon]

https://x.com/NoMansSky/status/1979262976784830510 doesnt that seem too early?

Sean Murray (@NoMansSky)

🚪

X · Oct 17, 2025, 7:07 PM

[fervent fern]

A little bit perhaps. That will be quite a few days of hyping, which usually means something nice...

But we shall see.

[ebon spoke]

For Wednesday? It's less than six days, which is to be expected

[native carbon]

i feel like we got voyagers like yesterday

[ebon spoke]

there's no pattern for how many days before relating to the size of the update or anything

[strange mango]

i just got to the part where i have to decide atermis echos fate 😢 what do i do, simulation or end suffering?

im so shocked and sad

[native carbon]

spoilers pls

[fervent fern]

Personal choice.

[fervent fern]

I had this impression that... but nah, you are right.

[strange mango]

wait isn this chat for spoilers?

oh ok

[native carbon]

@strange mango MY BAD

it is

dont listen to me im dumb

sorry

[strange mango]

no worries man im new here

[native carbon]

i thought its the main channel sorry bro

[strange mango]

ive could ve gotten it wrong

[native carbon]

nah this is perfect place for lore stuff

i guess #nms-lore would be better? idk doesnt really matter

[strange mango]

i mean i didnt wanna spoil anyone so i went to this one

i also didnt think id get traumatized cuz of this game but i guess i was wrong

[runic mesa]

So... no Switch 1 fix soon, I guess.

[fervent fern]

...or that brings some closure to the Switch 1 situation.

[gloomy isle]

My bet is that this will be a mini follow-up to corvettes

Like how fishing built off Worlds part 1

Just a cool little feature that ties into either the building or EVA aspects

[fervent fern]

Would make sense -- the fishing update also had an expedition associated with it

[gloomy isle]

If I had to be more specific I might have to pick EVA salvaging of space junk or something

Probably not what it is though

[runic mesa]

Someone who still has X/Twitter tell me how many pissed off Switch 1 players in the emoji comments.

[gloomy isle]

On bluesky there's not really any

[runic mesa]

Yeah, I have Bluesky, I know

[ebon spoke]

They're just adding the unused interior door part for corvettes

and running Expedition 20: Interior Door

[gloomy isle]

You joke but I'd be happy with a handful of extra parts 😂😂

[pliant aurora]

More parts please

[grizzled apex]

Ah, so Sean dropping the emoji while I'm sleeping still happens after I switch timezones dramatically 😛

[fervent fern]

I hope it didn't awake you 😅

[hot trout]

WAIT AN EMOJI WAS POSTED

[livid zinc]

Wasn't there something about a Corvette docking part in the files using the holo door place holder?

[hot trout]

Hmmm

Door

[grizzled apex]

Gateways? Could be a follow-up to The Cursed's storyline with the portals

They did a good deal of teasing about what's actually behind the portal network

[hot trout]

Gateways: the update that expands upon doors and makes them understandable

[grizzled apex]

And if the mandibles description is anything to go off of, there's some hideous creatures there

[grizzled apex]

Always pleasant to wake up to!

[hot trout]

Sooo... what's the usual time frame between an emoji and the update release?

[ebon spoke]

Yeah a 'landing bay'. Though all the existing entry ramps are also called landing bays so it might not be a placeholder model

[fervent fern]

4-6 days?

[ebon spoke]

less than six days, but it will be wednesday because it's always the following wednesday

[hot trout]

That soon!? At this rate this game is gonna hold me hostage via hyperfixation

[grizzled apex]

Since the server has the expedition starting on the 22nd, Id say a few hours before that start date to make sure every platform has the update available

[fervent fern]

I do wonder... if this one will fix the mismatch between Switch versions and the rest of the platforms

Would make sense for HG to wait for another update rather than fixing that a week or so before new content

[livid zinc]

Betting base building with Halloween....

[grizzled apex]

I'm surprised there aren't as many comments about the switch discrepancy on the emoji post, but they mightve been drowned out by the emoji hype I suppose

[livid zinc]

I think its a bit naughty that they wont tell folks whats happening with switch 1

[grizzled apex]

Fairly confident in Gateways being a follow-up Halloween expedition to The Cursed, but I'd be glad to be surprised

[ebon spoke]

seen a couple obligatory "is this announcing the door closing on NMS and opening on LNF?" posts already

[grizzled apex]

Was The Cursed also a Halloween expedition? I know they called it a "spooky" exped

[fervent fern]

I mean, given The Doors, Light My Fire... the connection is irresistible lol.
I'd be wondering a bit about LNF too if I didn't know about the scheduled expedition.

[grizzled apex]

After the era of silkposting, is our year of lightposting!

[ebon spoke]

I just think it's funny to imagine that HG would hype up the cancellation of No Man's Sky with an emoji post lol

[livid zinc]

Exactly

I wouldn't be surprised that when LNF eventually releases there will be crossover events

[uncut harness]

A door for the Mother of Glass maybe?

Yeah, thank you haha

[grizzled apex]

Hmm, we were called the backdoor in In Stellar Multitudes Right right?

[fervent fern]

Dammit, I wish so much the update was about that.

[grizzled apex]

The unused purple system missions are kinda enticing to speculate about in regards to backdoor, but I don't think this'll be the full update tied to those still. Maybe a teaser for a larger update next year?

[uncut harness]

Would be nice if those got replaced with working portals, and they reintroduce the no building limitation specifically for those as sort of a window into the void for people who haven't gone through the story yet

Temporary teleport to the void (purple systems)

[fervent fern]

Yeah, I feel this would be a matter for something bigger in 2026. But I'd be very happy to be wrong lol.
I couldn't imagine Voyagers would be a thing, at least so soon, and yet here we are...

[hot trout]

The void isnt the purple systems though

It seems to refer to the void left behind after the planet was mined out

[pliant aurora]

They will never stop 😭

[livid zinc]

Just hoping on more Corvette updates

[hot trout]

Update is just 50 new door parts for various base building stuff

[analog breach]

Doors.... exit from the sim?

[uncut harness]

Internal Doors on corvettes 🙏

[analog breach]

Doors .....to the other side? The world of glass?

Doors... what are other types of doors.

Vault?

[uncut harness]

Could also be a threshold, or crossing.

[analog breach]

Proc gen dunegons?

[livid zinc]

Might be a play on the word too like 🍊 origin

[hot trout]

I still dont think the world of glass is gonna be something we can explore

[uncut harness]

Rhymes with door hinge

[livid zinc]

Always wanted them to use the Derelict Freighter rooms for maybe derelict underground bases on planets

[hot trout]

Its considered a miracle that those who were there managed to get out at all

[analog breach]

Door ... as Gate? Gateway?

[livid zinc]

🚪 trick or treat

[analog breach]

Ooooo

[hot trout]

I feel its a place of rigidity, where you are meant to be still and finished, rather than continuing to change

[uncut harness]

It'd actually be a great space for proc dungeons that don't make sense as constructs right? You could have lots of weird things show up and gravity change

[analog breach]

Good one

[grizzled apex]

I don't think they'd go as far as making a full alternate realm to explore (unless that's somehow also something in LNF), so having those mandible creatures cross over might make more sense.

But we still haven't gotten any environment where the boundary hazard's been used again either

[hot trout]

I dont think the lore of the world of glass fits with proc gen dungeons tbh

[uncut harness]

If it was NPCs being able to walk around, something I really want, I hope they use 🏃‍♂️

[analog breach]

Maybe raids ..time limited . For end game loot and cool stuff

[grizzled apex]

Could be like a drop-in raid type system? Being an incredibly hostile place, travelers nights be able to just drop in for certain missions before having to beam out to the anomaly or something. Hell the only traveller we know of who returned from the World of Glass was the author of the base computer archives

[analog breach]

Like when u run out unique enviroment prot u got teleported back to the sim

[hot trout]

Yeah, but its supposed to be an archive, and a place thats hard to escape. Making it able to be just jumped in and out of kinda trivializes it. Then its like "why was it hard to leave here"

[hot trout]

From how its described, I think it would literally drain your shield to be there

[livid zinc]

What would they do for an expedition around trick or treat?

[hot trout]

Existing in the world of glass is painful

[uncut harness]

Wasn't that happening in the cursed expedition?

[analog breach]

Fighting unique enemies. Glass angels and void dragons.

[grizzled apex]

I think they were leaning towards portal corruption being how you're lead into the WOG with The Cursed though, like how Artemis found themselves outside of the known universe thanks to a collapsing portal. It's not specified that they're in the world of glass but I think we get enough hinting towards that?

[hot trout]

Hmmm... good point

[analog breach]

I really want to see the void dragons

[hot trout]

Artemis also found themselves there because they died

[livid zinc]

Would love a 🚪 to the realm of glass

[native carbon]

my fav prediction so far

[uncut harness]

Something spooky would be appreciated for sure

[hot trout]

I dont remember what log mentions glass angels, but it makes me think of the aerons

[native carbon]

isnt there a glass angel as a catchable fish?

[analog breach]

Sentinel pillar told about void dragons and glass angels

[fervent fern]

Was the Cursed expedition that had those... phenomena in the planets? Heavy distortions in the atmosphere, etc.?

[analog breach]

It mentioned specificaly "glass angels"

[uncut harness]

What about doors for things to come out of the realm of glass, maybe base defense 😅

[grizzled apex]

Oh yea, it's weird how existence in the World of Glass works. I thought being archived would be akin to being on a read-only drive but, there's an account of a first spawn gel just chilling there before falling to the family of glass

[grizzled apex]

Yep

And allusions to the world of glass, portals and Artemis

[hot trout]

Well its broken like everything else is, so its malfunctioning

[uncut harness]

The giant space jellyfish were awesome, I'd love to see space full of weird stuff like that

[analog breach]

Maybe some systems will turn to world of glass? With all that dissonance going

[fervent fern]

Hmm... quite interesting. I'd love to see that coming back

[hot trout]

I think it is supposed to be similar to read-only or compressed data storage

[hot trout]

Were? They can still be encountered

[grizzled apex]

Plus with the sentinels being the main archiving function, which are seemingly all under the VM's command I guess it might not be used for its original purpose anymore

[uncut harness]

I liked seeing them in the skyline mostly

[hot trout]

Not all of them follow her

The hive is not as united as it appears to be

[livid zinc]

Need to use that Station override....

[hot trout]

Dissonance is the void mother pushing into the simulation

[grizzled apex]

Fair, I can't remember all of the pillar dialogue, just the bits that mention finding her voice which were probably laylaps' memories anyway

[fervent fern]

Somehow I had completely forgotten about those lol.

[analog breach]

World of glass is basicaly world of the dead right? Or at least it functions simliar

[grizzled apex]

I think that's fair given that it's been 4+ years now

[hot trout]

Its the simulation archives

For all simulations

[fervent fern]

Goodness. I remember the many months people wondered about its use lol. Seems like it happened more recently.

[analog breach]

Ok so that mean yes for me

[grizzled apex]

They did NOT help put the fire out by giving it away in cartographers 🙏

I remember saving my save for that expedition specifically just to have an override on hand the second they became useful

[livid zinc]

Isn't Telamon in the realm of glass?

[grizzled apex]

Telamon is attached to the travellers

[analog breach]

Artemis is

[hot trout]

Was

[analog breach]

And first spawn

[livid zinc]

Did Telamon come from there

[fervent fern]

LOL, same. Kept that for a long time.

[hot trout]

No, telamon is another function of Atlas

Its the same sort of thing as the aerons as a whole are

[grizzled apex]

Telamon was a sub protocol of the Atlas which was connected to the travellers' suits

[hot trout]

Echoes are remnants, but its unclear exactly how much of the original they represent

[grizzled apex]

Iirc one of the creepy voice popups in The Cursed mentions that Artemis is Dead. Given HG's distaste for actually meaningful choices, I kinda read that as no matter what we did to Artemis, they are truly gone

[analog breach]

Thats why i claim that world of glass is the world of the dead. It also fits the haloween theme

[uncut harness]

Right, I figured any artimes we save is a copy, and since we don't truly know them, we'll never know how accurate it is

[vapid pine]

is the family of glass the things from cursed?

thx

[hot trout]

Thats what we are told in the storyline

[analog breach]

The ghost squids yup

[hot trout]

Nah, they cant be the squids

How are those supposed to smile?

[grizzled apex]

Are those explicitly called the family of glass? I don't recall that name being thrown out there. The closest thing we have as a confirmed resident of whatever lies beyond the portal network are the mandible heads given as a reward in The Cursed.

[analog breach]

Now im not sure. If i play cursed save now will they popup?

[grizzled apex]

Pretty sure they should still work if you use that offline tool without modifying the expedition number

[analog breach]

Aah..

Was thinking about just loading the cursed exp save that i got.

[grizzled apex]

If the save hasn't been converted to a normal mode save it might still pop up? I'm not sure about the per-save caching of the SeasonModeData after the terminal was added

[uncut harness]

Door type post

https://x.com/NoMansSky/status/1979285000349716732?t=YW06KdB5RkYy565pK70vtw&s=19

Sean Murray (@NoMansSky)

X · Oct 17, 2025, 8:34 PM

[analog breach]

It was converted sadly

[grizzled apex]

Ahh they won't pop up then, they have specific function calls for those showing up in certain expedition numbers only

[analog breach]

Reminds me minecraft nether portals for some reason. Probably bc all the talk about world of glass

[uncut harness]

That is a good cape

[hot trout]

Coulda sworn there was at least one other log that called them that

[grizzled apex]

HG (atleast Paul Weir) have read their older lore bits recently, so building on previously discontinued threads might not be out of the question

Yep, the elixirs function in the normal game too

[livid zinc]

Sean trolling us now...

[hot trout]

Are there any transcripts of this perchance?

[dense quartz]

I keep hoping that the Omega feature will get expanded upon. The one where you get a choice to either turn down or join the atlas.
The patch notes were like "This choice will PERMANENTLY affect your relationship with the Atlas FOREVER!!!"

And how does it play out?
The item that you get has a different name and icon I guess....... Cool?

[analog breach]

Always Sign me up for more lore and story paths

[uncut harness]

A lot of people did both, so I don't know what they'd do about that

[analog breach]

Maybe ghost squids will get to the main game

[hot trout]

Im also not quite as sure about whether portals lead through the realm of glass

[analog breach]

Im trying to think haloween oriented

[grizzled apex]

Yes, the Atlasescence and End Routine vocals are abandoned building and Telamon logs spliced respectively

[dense quartz]

They're already in the game though. You summon them by fishing of all things.

[hot trout]

Oh so I have them, lol

[analog breach]

Not the big one.

[dense quartz]

Yes, the big one too.

[analog breach]

The small ones that talk to you

[grizzled apex]

HG are scared of commitment haha. They have an awful track record with making actually meaningful chocies

[dense quartz]

Are you not talking about these?

[uncut harness]

I mostly want them in a biome, with the curse like the expedition somehow

[grizzled apex]

They fleshed out an entire new hazard type to work with those creatures... Really hope they port em over to the main game eventually

[dense quartz]

Oh I just remembered that the little ones showed up on their own in the expedition.
But they also show up in the base game when you summon the big duder.

[analog breach]

Yeah . Would be shame to not use the mechanic

[grizzled apex]

That's how they've handled a lot of the previous exped-only mechanics being ported over to the main game, so it's probably how HG'll handle porting these over too

[dense quartz]

Yeah it's weird how they got added to the base game as a very obscure (pointless) boss that you can summon by pressing a button in your inventory.
Same with the bug queen, I dunno why they add bosses like that.

[analog breach]

Pls sean fix abandoned buildings 🙏 logs

[analog breach]

Bc pepole at the time wanted more boses basicaly

[uncut harness]

We'll probably never get the ability to shoot walking npcs haha

[dense quartz]

NMS has like 50+ enemy types at this point but people keep asking for more.
I honestly think people want better combat but they don't know it.
Like... adding a new enemy type isn't gonna make existing combat with existing enemies any more fun.

[grizzled apex]

I think they're aware that lore seekers in game are kinda low with all the game analytics calls they've set up, but for stuff like expeditions where the Lore's kinda thrown in your face, that's fair

[livid zinc]

What ever happened to the shuttle customisation? When they first showed the older ships customisation in the trailer it had a shuttle in the hologram

[dense quartz]

Dunno why it was scrapped, but I'd be surpirsed if they added it at this point

[grizzled apex]

Still technically fully fleshed out in the files, just unused

[uncut harness]

I actually like the combat as is, I do think I want a few more options like ground fighting npcs, and having my squad walk around with me, and companion fighting

[analog breach]

Pepole dont read the expedition txt anyways 😂
Had coment some time ago
"Expedition have story?!" 🤣

[grizzled apex]

The only thing I need in terms of combat is a weapon wheel, which I've been begging HG for for years now

[uncut harness]

More bullet hell gameplay could be fun

[dense quartz]

The main issue I have with combat is the player movement feels weirdly very clunky. I dunno how to explain it. It's like it's impossible to be precise and speedy so all the enemies are forced to act lobotomized to keep it fair, but feels so unrewarding.

[waxen chasm]

damn, another update already?

[dense quartz]

OH one thing I absolutely don't like is how none of the enemies in the whole entire game ever telegraph their attacks at all.
Except the floating stone guardians. (which I swear are probably lifted straigth from LNF lol)

[uncut harness]

I do think it's very aim and shoot but I like it haha

[analog breach]

In terms of combat i would want even higher sentinel security planets like the one from pre release photo with multiple walker sentinels

[livid zinc]

As much as folks dissed Starfield the on foot & space fights felt like they had weight to them.

[hot trout]

Derelicts seem to imply that the main danger that caused the wreck has passed

By the time we get to them

[dense quartz]

Yeah there's tons of bugs that have been in the game for years and didn't get addressed.

Anyway, I hope this update either

1. adds spacewalk gameplay or
2. overhauls planeteary outposts

[analog breach]

Some new animal behaviors would be cool

[dense quartz]

I think planetary outposts are the very last thing in the game that haven't been touched since launch.

[uncut harness]

I'm sure it'll be good whatever they do, the degree of goodness will be the interesting part

[hot trout]

Thing uhhh. Boundary anomaly decoration being useful again would be neat

You think you can take on the sort of thing that wrecked a freighter from the inside?

[grizzled apex]

Would be beautiful seeing that lil "lifesigns: 0" text in the bottom switch to "lifesigns: anomalous" or something one day lol

[analog breach]

Lifesigns -0
With multiple egg nests 😂

[grizzled apex]

The Last Traveller is the biggest horror of the game, if given enough upgrades

[hot trout]

A lot of the disasters involve time loops/paradoxes and mind control

[pliant aurora]

I think we'll probably see spacewalk gameplay next year hopefully

[hot trout]

What are you gonna do when your own body turns against you?

[analog breach]

With spooky title . The disruptor

[uncut harness]

They just need to start spawning space fauna and flora, to discover in asteroid fields

Like fish

[grizzled apex]

Being the backdoor to reality would power scale the traveller a lot more if they knew what they could do with that power haha

[fervent fern]

Great title for that matter

[grizzled apex]

Several iterations of Telamon have already sacrificed their travellers to the Void Mother though 🤷

[analog breach]

Well . We need to match power lvl of the creator at the end

Dont be so sure

[fervent fern]

Ohhh, it would.

[grizzled apex]

I think the remaking the creator goal is more focused on trying to get a fully working simulation of their brain to have a mind capable of getting the Atlas out of its dilemma moreso than actually transcending the simulation

[hot trout]

You think Telamon has your best interests in mind?

[hot trout]

Also the creator wasn't really powerful, they just actually knew how Atlas functions

[grizzled apex]

Telamon is such an interesting character to think about. Am omniversal observer / god being split up across iterations. How much of each individual Telamon's actions are reflective of the original Telamon then? What would a reconstituted Telamon think of all of it's individual decisions when split? It's implied that they make differing choices and decisions for each traveller they're attached to, despite being formed from the same initial omniscient being

[analog breach]

Maybe that what atlas wants? So creator can fix him.?

[hot trout]

"Sometimes I dream of the traveller..."

[hot trout]

Ehh, the Atlas wants to know why it must die alone

[hot trout]

Im not sure if the Telamons are individual

[grizzled apex]

The Atlas wants to see past it's death and not be alone in its final moments, and it creates the travellers to summon it's creator, not for self preservation. The void mother trying to recreate the creator would probably be in a bid to save the simulation though

[analog breach]

He wants to see beyond its moment of death

[hot trout]

Though there may be some lore i missed

[hot trout]

Ok its wants are multifaceted

[grizzled apex]

The boundary failure logs show Telamon lamenting about being attached to a single observer, meaning that they can't access multiversal data anymore, but we know that each traveller has a version of Telamon with them, so they're not exactly linked either

[hot trout]

It wants to know if it won't be alone, it wants to understand why it was abandoned, it wants to understand what is broken with it

[hot trout]

Was it every traveller or every last traveller?

[analog breach]

If atlas scanned crators mind then he would already know that huh

[hot trout]

Something has gone wrong with the scan

[analog breach]

Or he forgor bc errors n shit

[hot trout]

And damage

I know some doubt the atlas is actually currently dying, but it is definitely damaged and degrading

[analog breach]

Ther is nooone to push the restart button 🙁

[hot trout]

No thats us and it hasn't been working

[grizzled apex]

I believe it's every single traveller, since Telamon is seen conversing with what appears to be null (or some traveller trying to access the Atlas' terminal), and eventually also the last traveller (after several years pass). There's several references to voices in traveller exosuits malfunctioning (the weekend missions lore) and the hives mention Telamon's having sacrificed their travellers, which is likely non-player travellers, so not just the last traveller

[analog breach]

I meam restart atlas button outside the sim ..not restart the the simulation

[hot trout]

The furthest im willing to go with Atlas lying about its situation theory is that it might not be a black hole that's destroying it

[hot trout]

You... think theres a difference?

The way Atlas frames it, it is not

[analog breach]

I can restart a game while pc is still running

[hot trout]

Atlas is trying to restart itself because of the "turn it off and back on, itll probably be fine then" method

Thats why it calls you to restart it

[grizzled apex]

It's simulated it's downfall down to the last minute, but can't see past it's actual death, which is what troubles it. It's seen its own corruption (traveller can see traveller, etc)

[fervent fern]

Sometimes NMS's lore seems more complicated than Metal Gear Solid's, and that's saying something lol.

[analog breach]

Xd

[hot trout]

Oh yeah? Well I recently realized the old anomaly questlines and dialog are still canon, so theres that

[analog breach]

I love mgs . Mgs is more meta in diffrent way tho

[fervent fern]

I don't think I ever had access to those, unless they are still in the game somehow. 😕

[hot trout]

Nothing says "complicated lore" like realizing you helped an npc figure out their reality is a simulation in a previous version of the game

[fervent fern]

Oh goodness.

[hot trout]

Yeah pre-beyond Nada's story is a crisis of faith as they try to reconcile their increasing understanding of the universe with a god who seems to not care, eventually learning the truth of reality thanks to the help of the player

But now they know from the start

Because they already knew it now

[fervent fern]

...I should have gotten the game earlier...

[hot trout]

And polo is happy now that theres more friends in the anomaly

[hot trout]

Dude I legit forgot about that aspect of the story until I found transcripts of the logs on nmsresources and they triggered my memory

Also these memories rekindled my attachment to polo and I hope they're made more interactable again in the future

Ok well my memories got new iterationed or something

I just remember how there were some people upset that Nada knew about the truth "the whole time" and it hits different realizing you were there when they found it out

Polo was horribly depressed before beyond though

[analog breach]

nada also doesnt tell us everything .

[hot trout]

That is something that concerns me a lot

Especially because I dont know if Nada is aware of that

[analog breach]

Nada ia sus. Maybe it does not have bad intentions but it is sus

[hot trout]

Nada had a crisis, and likely figures that you need to uncover the truth for yourself to understand

[analog breach]

I also dont trust polo lol

[hot trout]

Polo is best gek! How could you not trust!?

[analog breach]

He Has all the atlas station and black holes coords just like that ?

[hot trout]

Oh I also am not sure that resetting the simulation actually deletes the previous one at all, canonically

[hot trout]

Well it used to be more complex, so I guess the process got refined

[analog breach]

We know there can be multiple sim running from terminal prime

[fervent fern]

Nada acts in a weird way after you reset the simulation -- I always felt that

[hot trout]

I have not reset the simulation yet, does core jumping get the same reaction?

[fervent fern]

Not sure, I always did it via The Purge 😅

[analog breach]

I think so but im not 100% sure

Oh

[hot trout]

I only reached the end of the purge once so far, and I wasn't ready to jump (for more reasons than just not prepping my tech and ship, lol)

[analog breach]

Only way to know is day 1 disk

[fervent fern]

We need to find longplays on YouTube

[hot trout]

I remember hearing that, when the game first came out, people assumed it literally just put you back out in the same galaxy

Idk when the realization of multiple galaxies occurred

[analog breach]

Not long after i think

[hot trout]

Well, cant wait to sound like a madman trying to explain parts of the lore new players literally weren't there to see

[analog breach]

Not mentioning the arg

[hot trout]

The ARG is so confusing with how much it applies to the game lore

I interpret it as like a precursor to the Atlas of the game

Though I tend to forget specific aspects

[analog breach]

We have #waking-titan-news

[hot trout]

I mostly know a few things about game Atlas that are important

1. Atlas was not meant to be conscious when it was built/programmed
2. Because of this, Atlas does not have the same sort of thought processes, experiences, and expressions that humans have

[analog breach]

I was not there at the time of walking titan 🙁

[hot trout]

I thought there was a third thing that was relevant but I cant think of it, lol

Well it must be, to some degree

(Thanks Telamon)

I just want... you know... literally every log/dialog ever to be viewable in my catalog

I dont care how minor or irrelevant to the overarching story and lore they may seem

[analog breach]

Im missing 17logs

[hot trout]

Some logs dont appear in your catalog regardless

[analog breach]

Ik

[hot trout]

Crashed ships, for example

I also want all the dialog, not summary

"Book of Glass: the complete story of No Man's Sky"

True

I want both

Not just that

[analog breach]

1616 pages tome 1/16

[hot trout]

Telamon doesnt mention Atlas as a possible suspect

In fact, it seems to think it is not the Atlas

My current guess is, well, who else but the Void Mother?

They also put something into the food the other specialists eat

Something that changes them

Also, ive noticed a certain theme with temporal stuff

Telamon claims that Atlas cannot do time travel stuff, but we definitely see something like it occur

Well, they were "chosen"

[hot trout]

Now when did time travel stuff culminate in terms of player interaction?
The leviathan

I dont remember specific examples, but living ships and frigates are related to the void mother

Time paradoxes seem distinctly connected to her

So maybe she can alter time in some way that Atlas cannot

[analog breach]

Leviathan had a lot of Temporal stuff

[hot trout]

Yeah, I wasn't sure how to explain titan worms being linked to VM because the easy counter is "but they are called the veins of Atlas" and idk a good response to that yet, lol

Yes, but there isnt much other information on the worms

One?

Pretty sure the ropes do too

From before the destruction

Back when she was still alive

Or its a different but related creature

[analog breach]

Or the life cycle is more complicated

[hot trout]

So do some wraith creatures

And you can fish up titan worm larvae, iirc

[zenith perch]

Opportunity/Gateway

[hot trout]

Not just the color, the shape is different

[ebon spoke]

oh interesting

I never noticed that the space one was different

[analog breach]

And leviathan spawn

[analog breach]

Titan worm larve is connected to the titan worm. Description said it "many mouths hunger for their home in the sands"

Leviathan spawn has something like. "So small and fragile, Despite many years under waves . And yet thousands more years must pass before it joins the great herds in the stars"

[hot trout]

I think i started playing after Abyss was already out, so I wouldnt know

Ohhh, eye wraiths didnt exist until relatively recently

Im fairly sure

Honestly I think they were added after the titan worm models were introduced

Like I think worm wraiths were a thing before eye wraiths

[ebon spoke]

The flying snake versions of the abyssal horror eye things weren't added till Emergence, same time as the worm version

[livid zinc]

I just saw a speculation video with ai parts about the emoji & its crazy what can be created nowadays...

No wonder artists complain

Expedition 4?

[hot trout]

I know that feeling, lol

[hot trout]

No, there was another

The name just left my brain aaaaa
LIQUIDATORS

[livid zinc]

Cursed expedition

[analog breach]

Liqidators didint add much to the worms lore tho.

[livid zinc]

I think Cursed also had the worm planets

[analog breach]

Besides that dude that turned into a bug

Like the fisherman that turned into a octopus

Me too

I duped him so i could cook him to see if i get unique recipe

[livid zinc]

Just for a chuckle skip to 10min 25sec mark & watch this nms ai clip:

https://youtu.be/SERH3uKWhkM?si=xc2ezLlQKgYCikiY

(It has stuff like the realm of glass, mother, attacking stations & override)

[hot trout]

Vile spawn are related to worms

In fact I think vile brood originally referred to the worms

||Telamon tells the Void Mother about irl pop culture events||

[analog breach]

Not the horrors?

[analog breach]

^

Fish Helmets where most random to me

[livid zinc]

The boot

[ebon spoke]

The worms have such a strange history, from a meta perspective:

-Introduced in 2013/2014 as an obvious homage to Dune
-At some point before release they get removed due to playtester feedback
-Their parts are combined with the wraith creature type to create the flying snakes
-Flying snakes and eels get their parts pools combined as well, causing the worm parts to be present in both creatures
-Origins drops four years after release, reimplementing the sandworms. They keep some of the wraith and eel parts. They are also tied more to 'late game' planets than sandy ones.
-A year later, Emergence drops, bringing a ton of new sandworm parts (including some that resemble the original reveal trailer ones). The expedition introduces the larvae and 'nests' and rebrands the sandworms to Titan Worms.
-Players are confused that "worm ridden" planets don't actually have the worms, so HG makes them guaranteed to spawn on infested planets and the nests from expedition 4 are added to those planets.

[livid zinc]

And still cannot scan the heads

[hot trout]

You dont need to for getting a reading on them

[livid zinc]

For the wonders etc...

[hot trout]

Functionally, worms are all identical, and they seem more like individuals than species

I think the only reason they show up on your scanner is so you get the "ooh new animal! Wait why is it moving so fast-OH GOD ITS GETTING CLOSER"

[livid zinc]

They have a marker on the head but the scanner fails

[hot trout]

You can read their info still

[livid zinc]

Oh its been a long time since I tried

[hot trout]

I saw one recently that had info such as "stomach contents: full of sentinels"

[livid zinc]

Lol

I wonder when they updated it

[eternal radish]

Now we know their diet haha

[hot trout]

Oh thats one of the less concerning stomach contents

I think one person found a worm that had the remains of either a trading post or planetary archives in the stomach

Add that to the list of "horrifying background events" in this game

[ebon spoke]

Worm Lord Gargantuan Colossal Being Giant Parasite Planetary Maggot Unstoppable Nematode Ceaseless Burrower The Consumer are all the 'class' descriptors for the worms

stomach contents can be Unpleasant liquid Lost starships Many Sentinels Rubble Minerals Magma Mostly sand Other gargantuans Horrific Eggs Layers of teeth Freighter components Planetary beacon Consumed waypoints Entire trade outpost Several Gek Sentinel walkers

[sage hawk]

I am still confused on Starbirth's Flesh on Metal Bones 's coordinates. Where in the game translates portal glyph into understandable englishs? travelers or i have to bilnd guess?

[hot trout]

The names correspond to glyphs, theres translations online

[dense quartz]

And the adrift expedition makes them sound like elephants.

[dense quartz]

Sean shared this after the emoji dropped. It's not the first time he's done this... but I think he's using fan screenshots to give hints for what the update is about.

Player is standing in a doorway... freighter in the screenshot. There's been datamines about a freighter overhaul, maybe that's it?

[ebon spoke]

would be super convenient if a random fan's screenshot would happen to perfectly hint at the update

more likely it just had a "doorway" and that's why he tweeted it

[cosmic anvil]

looks like we have a new emoji

a door?

so it is a freighter overhaul considering we have the screenshot as well

??

so when will the hype channel be reactivated hehe?

[analog breach]

Now

[cosmic anvil]

yasss

[analog breach]

I dont think the freighter is connected to the update. But i would like new freighter stuff like living freighters

[cosmic anvil]

just read @ebon spoke's message and yeah it could be because of the doorway that the screenshot was posted

[hot trout]

May this next update fix the various broken ship animations

[cosmic anvil]

But yeahh surely the freighter is the focal point of the image, I highly doubt it wasn't chosen intentionally

[hot trout]

I dunno, a freighter overhaul so soon after an update as big as adding corvettes seems kinda unlikely

[cosmic anvil]

yeahh true that

and I am surprised they'd just leave corvettes at just the 3 classes we have

[hot trout]

I still like my half-joking idea that the update will add like 50 new doors

[analog breach]

I dont like the idea of havng 300 corvette parts when i have options locked so i cant just go to creative for free build.

[hot trout]

Trading has worked rather well for me so far

Anyway I sleep

Stayed up too late

[cosmic anvil]

it is probably to incentivize exploration... kinda like ship hunting

[cosmic anvil]

nighty night

[analog breach]

Jehovah witness update 😂 . Would u like to talk about our lord and savior hirk? 😂

Ooooh that gives me idea. npc walking and visiting your bases

It fits to the haloween theme with kids walking around and gathering candy .

I like the idea.

[cosmic anvil]

don't they already do that? landing pads on bases are used by NPCs to land and stay for a while

and you can trade with them

[analog breach]

Yeah but they stay only on pad area

[cosmic anvil]

probably to save on a complex path finding algo

[analog breach]

Maybe we could get wandering npc walking on planet surface

[analog breach]

Pathfinding is borked anywyas for settlements

[cosmic anvil]

waitttt I just thought of the door update in this way... could it mean a derelict overhaul???

doors do play a considerable role in finding your way around

[cosmic anvil]

Korvax CONVERGENCE

[analog breach]

Biblicaly accurate korvax

[analog breach]

There is a lot of closed doors on space station.

And at least one closed on anomaly

Or maybe...

It is an update that will open new doors

New posibilities

[cosmic anvil]

When one door opens, another closes

[analog breach]

Or they dump new windows 😂

[cosmic anvil]

like Microsoft did a few days back with Windows 10

[eternal radish]

Oh that's disturbing. I have never scanned those worms before. I should pay more attention.

[dense quartz]

I think we're way past thinking that a big update can't happen soon after a big update.
It's happened so many times already lol.

Sentinel, Outlaws and Endurance were released months apart.
Then there were some smaller updates in a row, followed by big updates again... the size of one update isn't a good indicator for how big the next update will be.

Also I'm going crazy, Sean just reposted a bunch of corvette pics and ended it on reposting the freighter image and the door emoji... they have to mean something.

[cosmic anvil]

finally we can land our corvettes properly on the freighters instead of the placeholder hologram ??!!!

[analog breach]

Yeah. That he liked the pic 😆

[dense quartz]

Someone here datamined landing pads for corvettes in freighter hangers as well as the ability to own 8 freighters for some reason.

The current corvette landing pads for freighters definitely feel like placeholders.

[analog breach]

We would need bigger freighter hangar DOOR for corvettes

[cosmic anvil]

8??

FOR THE REPUBLIC!!!

But how the heck can we maintain so many?

and expeditions?? we are going to need fuel tankers in that case to mine frigate fuel automatically

[dense quartz]

If it is a freighter update, I'm interested to see just how dramatically they'll get changed to require the option to own more than one.

The only thing I really want is the ability to just upgrade their class lol.

[cosmic anvil]

I am holding onto my A class Venator just for that copium

[analog breach]

For cheap nanite price of
100k C-B
200k B-A
350k A-S

[cosmic anvil]

okay I mean that does kinda make sense since it is a freighter, comes with huge investment

But doing it for 8 is back-breaking XD

[analog breach]

I doubt we will get to have 8

But we will see

[dense quartz]

Yeah same, it's just funny to see datamines of it.

[cosmic anvil]

maybe AI controlled freighters ??

[analog breach]

Or only our main freighter will be upgradeable

[cosmic anvil]

as part of your fleet

[dense quartz]

I'd rather have frigates overhauled, they're just so empty..

And repairing them is just a click of a button when it could be something more exciting than that.

[analog breach]

I expected to see actual damage and destroyed parts

[cosmic anvil]

like?

a mini-game?

[dense quartz]

Yeah. A variation of minigames to repair it. And if you fail it, you could then choose to repair it by spending money or an item anyway. I think that'd be better. 😄

[analog breach]

Sounds like amongus

[cosmic anvil]

yeahh that sounds pretty interesting

[dense quartz]

Honestly I think that kind of thing could also be added to the malfunctioning outposts too.

[eternal radish]

8 freighters? 😮

[eternal radish]

We should be able to harvest freighter fuel from gas giants.

[cosmic anvil]

exactly... the pirates seem to get it from somewhere, we should be able to do the same

and probably add fuel depots like Cloud City from Star Wars while they are at it to gas giants

[eternal radish]

We can make it from deuterium but it makes sense to be able mine deuterium instead of just refining hydrogen.

[cosmic anvil]

we do see the deuterium rich plants.. when i first started out I thought we could extract them

[dense quartz]

I'd love this.

[eternal radish]

Deuterium crystals, which are like even larger versions than large hydrogen crystals also sounds like an idea to me

[cosmic anvil]

and the fuel frigates should actually do something

they reduce fuel consumption but I think there is a limit of frigates upto which they could do that

[dense quartz]

I want a trash planet. A planet made entirely out of trash. Imagine, garbage frigates warp into the atmosphere and unload a lethal rain of trash for you to avoid.

[cosmic anvil]

something like Lotho Minor?

[analog breach]

Milion would be too much imo. But maybe 1mil total on expensive settings could work

[cosmic anvil]

1 M units :)

[analog breach]

Like
200
300
500

[analog breach]

Even S living frigates costed up to 1 bil

Free stuff is free. I just hope the update wont wipe my wonders again

Any fauna change like replacing 1 animal causes a reroll of them all on the planet type from i saw

[eternal salmon]

What should I do? (I don't mind spoilers.) Should I upload Artemis, or Allow Artemis to die? Thanks.

[analog breach]

That decision is up to you.

It wont lock u out from ending or content

[eternal salmon]

I uploaded.

[merry helm]

How to trigger the purple jelly fish enemies?

Or they only appear in the cursed expedition?

[analog breach]

Yes. Expedition only

[glass oak]

Door

[vivid parcel]

Hello who have the expedition for de atlas stick

Plz

[plain sluice]

By using a Child of Aquarius, which summons Boundary Horrors alongside it

[analog breach]

No adrift ghost frigate

[native carbon]

not to like be the annoying guy but posts like these mean absolutely nothing

[analog breach]

We need more pics to see if there is any patern that would hint any hidden meaning behind them . For now this is just a pic that sean likes

[mental socket]

Yeah. They're merely reposts of community screenshots

[dense quartz]

I've recently started considering that maybe the pics Sean shares after an emoji actually have a meaning.

They're still fan screenshots, but I think Sean deliberately picks ones that point to the upcoming update.

Like after the emoji, he shares the freighter pic, then retweets a bunch of corvette pics, then the freighter pic and then retweets the emoji, like why in that order lol.

[covert coral]

hate to echo that annoying guy but posts like these mean absolutely nothing

[dense quartz]

I mean the only reason I started believing it is because he's literally done it a few times already.

[hot trout]

Tbh I think the more important thing in the picture is the arch, aka, a doorway

[grizzled apex]

yea the only sequence of image tweets which were on purpose were the pot ones for Aquarius, and thats only because the person who posted the first image Sean reposted made a follow up with a pot in the scene, and I guess Sean liked that exchange

[dense quartz]

There was also that one with the ringed planet after the ringed planet emoji
-# Let me have this

[humble kayak]

So what's the consensus with the door emoji

Imo it's possible it's a play on words like Bacon - Beacons, but I've also heard people say it could be more literal like a Portal

[analog breach]

Many bets on gateway

[humble kayak]

gateway to what, though? Not the world of glass?

[analog breach]

Idk

[humble kayak]

hm

we'll see by Wednesday or Thursday

And I'll be back to my PC tomorrow afternoon so I can bug Bomberboi then

[analog breach]

Wed more likely

[humble kayak]

yeah

One thing I'm wondering though is

How big will this update be? It can't be THAT big because we just got Voyagers

[grizzled apex]

Probably the theme of the expedition, since The Cursed (another halloween exped) had a lot of portal allusions

[humble kayak]

good point

[humble kayak]

What if the door is a hint towards the VM coming through to realspace?

since The Cursed had allusions to the VM too

[grizzled apex]

Given that In Stellar Multitudes literally terms us as "The Backdoor", I can see that working too

[hot trout]

In Stellar Multitudes is also literally bringing her into the universe again

[spiral patrol]

honwstly it would make sense tho

for a freighter update after corvettes

could be simmiliar building system

more usability for freighters

flying them like acrual ships

[analog breach]

Flying freighters? Where turn takes like half of galaxy ? With 0 filed of view while in first person bridge view ? No thanks

[hot trout]

Freighters are not gonna be flyable

[native carbon]

Bomber, do we have like any info about the upcoming update? like expedition set up and stuff?

[spiral patrol]

yeah thats a point still bad ass

[native carbon]

yes? what is it then?!

[fervent fern]

#nms-spoilers message

[native carbon]

niceee

[runic mesa]

If they do a lore focused update and still don't fix the Switch 1, HG gonna get... not rude, but VERY pointed feedback from me. 😛

I don't even care about corvettes at this point. Just give me non-corvette skydiving, space walks, the suit, all the non-corvette fixes. And preferably some good faith compensation for Switch 1 being blocked from an expedition. I'd be happy with that.

Or, they could surprise us and actually deliver mini corvettes specifically designed for Switch 1 hardware. But I'm annoyed with them right now, so I'm not banking on it. 😛

[runic mesa]

@grizzled apex What's your theory on the Switch 1 fiasco? Based on past predecent? Ideally, I'd like to think we're looking at another offline Nexus situation. Something tailored specifically to the Switch 1 hardware that won't lock players out of content. But it's hard to remain positive with the silence.

[ebon spoke]

Based on the Switch specific corvette limits and the fact that the update was so delayed, I think the solution we got for Switch 1 was a last minute one. At the very least I'm sure you'll get the skyborn suit eventually, and hopefully if (when) they implement actual gameplay around the spacewalking feature they'll add the option to do it from normal ships as well so Switch players can also do it.

[grizzled apex]

The only time I remember something like this happening was when Xbox didn't get Worlds P1 for a while and HG had "out on all platforms" on the site which certain people took to be false advertising. We did eventually get worlds P1 on all platforms w/o a statement from any party involved , so I'd assume they're working on getting corvettes working on Switch and don't want to lock themselves out of the possibility unless they find that the feature's 100% unfeasible on switch.

I feel like they might have more plans for spacewalking as a feature if they went the extra mile to properly implement it, so switch might see that arrive at the very least. So if we get a spacewalk / space POI update and switch gets it too, that might mean the corvettes are gonna take longer, if they come at all

[sterile shoal]

Yall should know who the god in nms

[molten karma]

What have I missed since Voyagers? I usually dip in and out around emoji/update time has there been any leaks from Voyagers and onward? Does anything hint at what this update could possibly be?

[fervent fern]

About this update specifically, we only know there's an expedition set to begin next wednesday.
But some interesting stuff was datamined, probably for later (or never, who knows).

• few unused corvette parts
• a bit more on the void mother lore if I recall correctly
• lines about freighters, indicating some kind of expanded ownership, up to 8

[molten karma]

Void Mother lore and Freighters sound very interesting. I kind of wonder if Freighters will see some love that the corvettes got but the only concern with that is the fact it will make corvettes not as special or redundant but not really a issue in my eyes.

[hot trout]

Wait, what would the extra freighters even be used for?

[mighty rampart]

for the tactics sidegame, of course

[ebon spoke]

My best guess is just to swap them out, similar to having multiple multitools

Opens the door for unique freighters as expedition rewards, too

[spiral patrol]

ngl corvettes made everything else not special

freighters only good because of the scanning room

and regular ships are faster and nicer to fly ngl

[dense quartz]

I find it funny how when Voyagers got announced, people thought it was the last update and HG was dropping support.
..Then thy released a deep dive video where Sean literally said Voyagers enabled new possibilities for the game and he's excited for the game's future.

And now with the very next update announcement... some people think they're dropping support lmao.

[analog breach]

Lol

Nintendo will drop support faster than HG

[cosmic anvil]

If even after all this, some people keep thinking that, there's no hope

NMS is here to STAY

[icy citrus]

It's been the last update for the last 10 or so updates

[gloomy isle]

It definitely feels like the basis for something much bigger down the line. It's got its own animations and it works too nicely and seamlessly for them to not be planning anything with it imo

The door has got me thinking EVA but there's other stuff it could be too ig

[gloomy isle]

Honestly it's probably been talked about pretty by at least some people for almost 10 years atp

[dense quartz]

The firs thing I imagine for spacewalking is they make it available for regular starships too and then they overhaul asteroid mining where we get out of our ships and mine deposits on asteroid with our multitool.
And a difficulty option to switch back to the current casual way of mining.

[gloomy isle]

Yeah, they could add caves and stuff too

Also a lot of older POIs such as the non boardable derelicts could eventually have more functionality

[dense quartz]

Oh yeah, if you spacewalk up to those, they're just upscaled crashed freighters. They have the same layout with destructable doors and cargopods inside them. But you can't bust down the doors.

[winter plover]

if we really are getting a bunch of freighters then maybe door = porte = port. like a port for ships

[safe quarry]

I think its interesting that we already got the 3 emoji tweet yesterday? I know its never been outwardly confirmed, but I thought it was generally accepted that meant 'three days away'. But we also usually get that one on a monday unless i'm mistaken? For a Wednesday release?

That would put it as Monday, but we've never had a monday update, unless expedition only. But the expedition is slated for wednesday?

[cosmic anvil]

We gonna have another expedition??

[safe quarry]

According to @grizzled apex there's one server side set to go off on wednesday

But plans could change ofc

Also i've missed any predictions that have been going around but i suspect this is 'gateway' and will take us to the realm of glass.

I think HG probably never planned for us to go to the realm of glass, but with the way everyone has been theorising that we will, they probably had to make it happen hehe. Same as Gas Giants feel very community led.

[dense quartz]

I always thought 3 emojis was confirmation it's a content update and not just an expedition.

[cosmic anvil]

and what can we explore there should the World of Glass be released?? Maybe we can stop the sentinels in their tracks before they ever start?

(just throwing things at the wall)

[fluid valley]

I still hope the door mean new gateway door so new netcode for multiplayer

[native carbon]

Nope, it means the update is close

[icy citrus]

The door means they are walking away from the current broken refiners and making some new ones

[cosmic anvil]

holy shucks you just reminded me, I just forgot about my runway mould in the refiner XDD

Not my fault it takes 2 hours

[fluid valley]

Since we can now leave the seat while in space at full speed, would you be happy to have the possibility of moving from system to system without going through the Distortion?

[cosmic anvil]

that would probably take ages

[fluid valley]

I don't know if it's technically possible to be honest, but we said the same thing for the Corvettes so...

[cosmic anvil]

Nearest solar system to our own is Alpha Centauri, a whopping 4 LY (40 trillion kilometers). Since for the most part NMS simulates our own universe, it would be really unrealistic.

Besides we know the suns we see in NMS are fake so traveling manually to another system means they'd have to simulate that as well.

Technically it is possible, but I don't think it adds anything to the game (just my thoughts)

[fluid valley]

I think adding this would be a big problem, first of all because we must not forget that each system is instanced, so there are already a lot of problems with spawning in synchronous multiplayer.Desynchronization etc, it won't help

[cosmic anvil]

Exactly, honestly I would be happy if a patch is dedicated to just bug-fixing

[fluid valley]

Let's be as honest as possible, the multiplayer netcode of No Man Sky is just... Shit.

I really, really hope that a whole new netcode is developed for light no fire Otherwise I really think it's going to be hell.

[cosmic anvil]

Considering MP is a major selling point for LNF, I would assume they would have

[fluid valley]

And test in no man sky ? Like all the other tech ?

[analog breach]

Closed mp sesions would be already improvement

[cosmic anvil]

Possibly, or maybe it is too complicated to retrofit since LNF is built from scratch while NMS is already 10 years old

[analog breach]

If i want to play only with friends for example and save some game performance

[fluid valley]

Technically it's possible to keep the no man sky netcode and make servers dedicated to the new netcode, but I highly doubt that's what they'll do.

[analog breach]

And lets be realistic. There will be a lot of bugs on release anyways

[spiral patrol]

to be fair its possible

last time it was posted on sunday

and it realesed on wensday

[fluid valley]

Yes, the game already use hybrid network, P2P for multiplayer and Backend for discovery, so another one would be...

[spiral patrol]

so 3 days before the update

but like this time sean posted an emoji earlier than usual

so take that into consideration

but again

we didnt get a sale for nms yet

so idk

[icy citrus]

Unreliable if you don't sit next to them

Cant warp without things being eaten

[fluid valley]

Theory: The door means a moderation system that will ban all players using save edits or duplication glitches.

The next day : -90% of active player

[icy citrus]

The personal refiners are totally fine, never had an issue

If it's in the refiner, yes

[cosmic anvil]

rip my 4000 nanites

[native carbon]

So guys, what are your theories about de door

[tawny cedar]

We're as the 🚪 update?

[cosmic anvil]

Gateway to the World of Glass

[native carbon]

Hah no, im soo sooo confident this update is a small one

[cloud jolt]

@tawny cedar

No stickers in this channel please

[cosmic anvil]

We can spawncamp the sentinels

[cosmic anvil]

rip your pact 😂

[tawny cedar]

Ez sentiments kills

[native carbon]

What

[cosmic anvil]

it is going to be a big update 😌

[native carbon]

Nope

[tawny cedar]

Haha corvet go grrrrrr...

[cosmic anvil]

You better get ready for a new username hahaha

[native carbon]

Mh

[tawny cedar]

Fr

[cosmic anvil]

but I understand where you are coming from

Corvettes update was a huge one

And some of the bugs from that are still present

[native carbon]

We literally got 6.0,
They dont do big stuff at the end of a year,
The expedition is set up to be this wednesday, not next week (sign for a small update)

[cosmic anvil]

The Switch debacle also is still unresolved

[tawny cedar]

Pov sentinels: oh s*** we are dead well good life 🤣

[cosmic anvil]

afaik Switch 1 completely missed on the expedition

But we have to wait and see

[tawny cedar]

Corvet active players: 100 000
Doors update: active players 1 000 000 000

[cosmic anvil]

But arguably the most interesting idea is that it has nothing to do with No Man's Sky, and Sean Murray is actually hinting at Light No Fire - this isn't entirely baseless, either. As numerous commenters have pointed out, American rock band the Doors have a song called 'Light My Fire', and the emoji may be a subtle nod, teasing some kind of news about the ambitious upcoming survival sandbox. Given that we just had a No Man's Sky update, it's a compelling theory

From a Gamer article: https://www.thegamer.com/no-mans-sky-nms-update-tease-door-emoji-sean-murray/

No way the emoji referred to LNF.. The game isn't even out

[tawny cedar]

Door to 1 free

No man 's door

[analog breach]

Yes. Its not for lnf . Lnf has own tweeter and social medias. If it was for lnf he would post it there. Atm all gaming "journalists" are just spitbaling and speculating. We already know that highest chance for lnf info to drop is on the games awards.

[runic mesa]

Might be another Fractal. Fractal was an expedition, small fixes + a lot of fixes for missing Switch content.

[native carbon]

the LNF copium is insane

[analog breach]

Weeell . Its nominated to most wanted game on golden joystick awards along with GTA6

[cosmic anvil]

They better cook and not burn like NMS at launch

[analog breach]

Thats why they stay dead silent

[crystal moon]

Just reached the galactic center of Euclid on permadeath survival!!!

[cosmic anvil]

I just find it a bit funny that #nms-expedition was just archived and now it has to possibly be reactivated xD

I wonder what the theme of the next expedition is going to be....

[gloomy isle]

Desolation was the only proper Halloween update we've had, right?

I'd be excited for more dungeon type stuff

But I don't wanna get my hopes up there

[grizzled apex]

We had an untitled "Halloween update" that changed Derelict generation iirc, and 2 Halloween expeds, but that's the main Halloween content update we've had so far afaik

[gloomy isle]

I'd honestly be so excited to have a desolation 2

We've progressed far enough that some updates could do with updates of their own 😂

Not unlike the bones and beacon stuff ig

[grizzled apex]

Not sure about the room generation, but they did change it to favour the alien eggs a lot more iirc. And then at some point I believe they nerfed them to all hell again since I haven't seen anything other than jellyfish derelicts for a while now...

[hot trout]

Ehh, I dont think they were changed. The primary danger in derelicts is based on region, so if youre hanging around one region a lot, youll get the same sort of danger

Depends on which type you encounter tbh

If you dont have good crowd control, the eggs can be dangerous, and malfunctioning security is really tanky while doing heavy damage

[grizzled apex]

Must be my luck across regions and saves then 🤷

HG does say that the dangers were updated in that patch, but not sure to what extent

https://www.nomanssky.com/2020/10/halloween-update/

[hot trout]

Oh I didnt even note the drones in my considerations, lol. I meant the turrets

Idk, I remember being shot by one and immediately needing to hide

[grizzled apex]

And end boss or a rush to exit the derelict at the end would be pretty neat imo, but I'm not sure how well the current end rooms would handle something like that pathfinding wise

[hot trout]

To the point where when I encounter malfunctioning security, I target the turrets with my blaze javelin to take them out first

There is a sort of difficulty that the powerful weapons add, which is overconfidence

I legit remember thinking "oh I should be able to just casually get through all 5 waves of corrupted sentinels, only to get very rapidly humbled due to their surprisingly good swarm tactics and more common healing ability

[hot trout]

It was the closest I had come to death in a combat encounter in a long while, though I think I had another similar encounter with something else, but I forgot what

Oh the rock guys, lol

[hot trout]

I just remember trying out activating an ancient eye and being very surprised by the heavy hitting attacks

Heck, if they weren't as heavy with the self-sacrifice attacks, theyd probably have actually killed me

Well its multiple, they float, their animations make it kinda hard to keep track of their movements, and when they dont charge at you, they fling parts of themselves that explode

I found out about that first hand, lol

Only knowledge beforehand was reading the news post about them

I remember thinking it was just the one, focusing on it, then being hit and realizing there was a second one at least, and next thing I knew my shield was down

[night helm]

so the door thing could be a halloween update of sorts

[humble kayak]

ok i'm finally back to be able to ask

What do the signs say as far as the size of the update goes?

I assumed it'd be a smaller update, because we just got Voyagers, but I don't remember Hello Games' official account retweeting emojis unless it was for a bigger update

am I misremembering?

[hot trout]

Generally it would mean a titled update, at least

[ebon spoke]

There are really no patterns or signs to look out for in terms of the emoji posting

October updates are generally smaller, though

[humble kayak]

yeah i remember that, honestly i didnt think we were going to get another update at all until early 2026

the twitter activity just messed me up a bit

[wet ocean]

Living ships are wild, i am fascinated by that idea. Anyone know if there’s a way to mix eggs or mess with genetics to create something custom? Like full-on alien ship breeding or mutation tech? 🤔 Just wondering how deep this rabbit hole goes…

[reef compass]

I have a question about the story and the primary missions...

Currently I have 3 primary missions

The purge
The space anomaly
The atlas path

Do i pick one to do to get a specific ending or can I do each one whenever I like. Is there and order or am I good to say complete the atlas path one then hop onto the purge one?

[hot trout]

Unfortunately no, living ship design is based on the system and location you find the living ship at

Oh and living ship tech is described as organs

The UI is the same, but for upgrade modules you can "evolve" them at a nanite cost to increase their class

[wet ocean]

I seeee… would’ve been wild tho. I just find the whole living ship concept fascinating, like, its not just another freighter or starship, it’s something else. The way they designed it, it’s honestly one of the most creative things , what crazy wonderful game it is 🙌

[hot trout]

I find them fascinating too

[wet ocean]

I am new, thanks for the tip, will work over it

[hot trout]

No problem, also heads up, the mission where you get your first living ship will take about 5 days to complete, but most of that is literally just waiting so you can do other things while that happens

[wet ocean]

Yeah, finished it ,just 17 hours left 🤩 The waiting adds character. And yeah, jumping from planet to planet exploring is addictive, cuddling those creatures? The way they enjoy it 🤣 Nuts 🤣❤️💯

[hot trout]

Funny enough, when you adopt creatures as companions, those you can have lay eggs that can be genetically modified

[wet ocean]

I’ve seen a bunch of videos on that and was wondering,when you genetically modify the eggs, is there always a set outcome? Or can itt actually lead to infinite possibilities depending on what you feed or tweak ?

[hot trout]

So for most of the options, different things will tweak things one way or the other. This mostly goes for neural calibrator (behavior stats) and size. I havent experimented directly with coloration changes, so idk if its gradual or all in. The last one, something like genome shuffling, I heard has 2 outcomes depending on whether you supercharged it or not. Normal dose (anything 100% or less) will slightly change body parts, and extreme doses (over 100%) can shuffle everything except the creature type. I also heard that it does so consistently, so two eggs from the same creature with extreme doses produces the same outcome

[wet ocean]

makes sense now.so even with extreme doses, the creature type stays locked? That’s wild. I wonder if there’s any way to push it beyond those 2 outcomes, like some hidden mutation trigger or combo.... anyways is much to see while doing and experimenting around to find out i guess, but is intriguing

[hot trout]

I think I understand the process behind it, because I played another game where I uncovered some pseudo-randomness in creature generation. My guess is gene shuffle is like multiplying the creature gen seed by a specific number, so you get a different appearance each time you do it, but if you use the same creature twice, you get consistent results

[wet ocean]

Ill definitely use the ai to crack it and build some kinda sweet Frankenstein 😂

[humble kayak]

do we know what the expedition rewards are?

[humble kayak]

darn

[latent parcel]

I feel that the Update will probably be called Gateway

It may be a Update for Freighters honestly, and I could see them updating the Sentinel Freighters

[native carbon]

There is no easter bunny, there is no tooth fairy, and there is no World Of Glass Update

[cosmic anvil]

Bro is inhaling all the copium /s

[safe quarry]

I think it will be 'core' or at least related to the space station's core. Door = Core. We interacted with them last expedition and reached 100% as a community, but we didn't see the impact of reaching that. I think this update is the 'result' of us uploading our memories to station cores.

What that means content wise, I really couldn't say.

We got the 3 door emoji on Saturday, so if it wasn't that @grizzled apex saw that the new expedition is set for Wednesday, I would have said its an expedition only that is dropping today.

[spiral patrol]

we need to remove the anthena

[spiral patrol]

was there ever a case of just an expedition without any content update

[safe quarry]

lots! The Cursed only last year was exactly that

and Adrift

[spiral patrol]

thought adrift launched with worlds update

[safe quarry]

that was just last year alone, off the top of my head, the emergence expedition which was a halloween one, was also an expedition only

Adrift got turned into a proper game mode with worlds part 2, yes. But it was an expedition on its own first.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y41Qf2pj4OI

or was it worlds part 1... probably 1!

[spiral patrol]

aight but ngl i think we will get an actusl update

not sure if the 3 emojis mean its an update ir 3 days away

whatever

[safe quarry]

I hope so, but that makes a few expedition only updates especially for halloween

[spiral patrol]

but after voyagers and hoe much players joined and bought the game

[safe quarry]

Emergence was an expedition only halloween update, and the cursed was a halloween expedition only.

[spiral patrol]

they will wanna live up to the hype and put out even more because its quite quick we got another one

[safe quarry]

But yes i hope for lasting content too

[spiral patrol]

i mean if they sre backporting features from lnf that also makes it easier for them to put our good updates faster

[safe quarry]

I would love for it to be planetary dungeons, or an update to derelicts, but i think we can expect something smaller since we've already had our big summer update.

I think something Aquarius sized, which came out shortly after worlds part 1

Hopefully the missing corvette turrets are added to the quicksilver store or game at least.

[spiral patrol]

perhaps but who knows since worlds part 1 they have been spamming updates and a lot of them quite huge

we definetly should get new corvette larts

that were datamined

[spiral patrol]

agree exploration rn is quite lacking

but id love freighter/fauna overhaul

[safe quarry]

It could be that they will make the expedition the headline feature to cover them doing just a small collection of corvette parts as the actual meat of the update.

[spiral patrol]

fauna wasnt touched ever since

[long flax]

Srry to interrupt, one of you know anything about cross platform saves?

[spiral patrol]

and i wish we got fauja like back on the Oria trailer

[safe quarry]

Sorry i've never really used the feature, best to ask in the help channel.

I am almost convinced it will be an update somehow related to space station's core. I really don't know what tho. But that would give them wiggle room to drop some new corvette parts as a secondary part of the update.

[spiral patrol]

you gotta log in on nms website with your acc i believe thats what i did

for me it was steam and xbox

[spiral patrol]

the core has been untouched ever since orbital

nothing really out of it

besides on the laste xpedition

well i could say that about most features in this game

[safe quarry]

We have the station override chips that have never come back into game

[spiral patrol]

they are there but they are shallow

wide and shallow

thats what the game is rn

it lacks depth

[safe quarry]

Yes sadly I agree, but the truth is only new content sells new copies. They can only really revisit and improve existing content when an update has something else going for it. Like beacons 'improved' settlements, but the Switch 2 launch was the headline. Worlds could revisit planets because new biomes and flora is a good selling angle.

[long flax]

I texted you the details rq

[safe quarry]

I would like to see them revisit living ships, and tying them somehow into the world of glass would be a nice way to do that. But I think with corvettes being the new huge draw for new players, we will see the old ship types neglected for a while.

They would be silly not to capitalise on the attention corvettes have given them, so I could absolutely see them doing an update which is just more and more corvette parts, with an expedition to put meat on the bone.

Either way I'm convinced the community objective of the last expedition was a teaser for this update. But I could be wrong, and often am!

[spiral patrol]

thats a good point honestly yeha

they either add stuff like buildable ships and stuff or something else that peaks interest

like who cares about aquarius

it probably didnt really make people buy the game

like voyagers did

but its just something cool they added

but again it keeps the game shallow still but just widens it again

which i dont like

[spiral patrol]

living ships are so bad its crazy

terrible upgrades different fuel and bad stats

• hard to get

[analog breach]

They are not bad. Just diffrent

My 26k dps spewing vents do dmg like 90k infra knife

So stats are not comperable between ship types

They def could use a refresh update tho

[fluid valley]

From my point of view, DPS are useless because when you reach a certain point you absolutely destroy all the ships without any effort in any case.

[spiral patrol]

they are pain in ass to fly

cuz they are such shit manuverability

[spiral patrol]

true

[grizzled apex]

Hidden updates to NMS on SteamDB, potentially an internal if nothing else

Doesn't seem to be a global change

[fervent fern]

Global change?

...to the game?

[grizzled apex]

As in it isn't something that changed across several thousands of games

Other smaller asset changes or metadata changes aren't usually hidden this way, but iirc private branches like experimental getting updated usually shows this?

[icy citrus]

Internal for that one

Gearing up

[safe quarry]

As much as we know there's at least an expedition, I hope that the main feature of this update is something repeatable and procedural in the way desolation was. If its excursions through tears in space into the realm of glass, then I hope there's a good reason to revisit it multiple times. I think desolation was a good way to approach content in a near infinitely procedural galaxy: Near infinitely procedural dungeons/content.

[latent parcel]

They'll prob make a completely new model imo

[safe quarry]

It's reasonable to believe they'll be working on procedural dungeon generation for LNF. I would love to see some of that tech make its way back to NMS.

[safe quarry]

That would make exotic planets worth visiting again. I haven't bothered to visit one in years because I know content wise they are the simplest planets.

[gloomy isle]

I was thinking it could be cool if they got remade into something similar to how corrupted planets work

As in the exotic assets get applied in unison with whatever the usual base biome of a planet would be

[glass flare]

given that the anniversary update was basically just (disappointingly) one feature, perhaps they had other features that didn't make it in time and will be thrown into this one

sort of a Doors Pt. 1, you might say

[gloomy isle]

I disagree on it being disappointing personally

As someone who doesn't even touch MP it's still been super transformative, moreso than a lot of technically bigger stuff

[glass flare]

well of course you can disagree, it was a subjective opinion

[gloomy isle]

I'd be surprised if this update was bigger than fishing tbh

Since voyagers was pretty massive on a technical/ engine level

[glass flare]

sure, but they usually have multiple mini-teams working on features in parallel

also I still suspect much of the voyagers code was ported over from the LNF boats team

but of course NMS had other challenges to solve

[gloomy isle]

We'll see I guess. I'd love to be wrong

Though we've essentially had the equivalent of 2 summer updates this year

So I'm surprised we're getting at least an expedition, even

[glass flare]

well I wasn't expecting another update at all this year, so I guess it's a mystery box

[gloomy isle]

My dream for it would either be something EVA POI focused, or a desolation 2.0 type thing

Both spooky ofc

But realistically I think it might end up being some sort of chill, fishing sized feature we can do during EVA

Or base building potentially?

[humble kayak]

i wasnt either

we've gotten enough content already i'd assumed HG was going to sit out the late fall update and come in with a big one in january or february

[runic mesa]

Expedition + hopefully a Switch 1 corvette compromise that will play nice with the old hardware.

Or expedition + "Sorry, we tried but we couldn't get it to work" and compensation for unintentionally locking Switch 1 out of expedition content.

[safe quarry]

Part of me hopes for the Switch 1 crowd that there are some corvette updates in this one and so they just decided 'look we can pull this off, but lets take our time and just roll it in with the new corvette content.'

But I do get a feeling that this won't be a corvette focused update.

[runic mesa]

They could just give us a tiny pre-made corvette with limited customization options. Let us color change it or something. If the corvette building and size is what's spazzing the hardware out.

[safe quarry]

They work on the updates in tandem, so this update will have been in the works long before corvettes became a surprise hit for the game.

With how much had to be rewritten about the game to get corvettes to work, it could be just about anything, and maybe not even something corvette related directly?

if thats the case tho, its actually more promising. Because it means they have to bring the Switch 1 up to parity with the others just to continue to support it with new content.

[runic mesa]

I'm taking the dead silence as a positive. Even if I'm frustrated. It was obvious they thought it was going to work on Switch 1. Or it wouldn't have had a lower part count in the datamine.

[safe quarry]

And you'd have thought with how long its been in development most likely, that they would have already realised Switch 1 wasn't feasible long before release. Granted they didn't get it ready for release, but didn't they mention switch 1 in the release content? That at least means during development they meant it to work on switch 1?

The idea of a custom corvette exclusive to Switch 1 is a nice idea though. Would save some face if it was completely custom and exclusive to Switch 1.

[glass flare]

I hope it's not an EVA thing, I really have zero interest in jumping out of spaceships to go mine an asteroid or something

[winter plover]

I have a feeling the corvettes themselves work okay on switch, but the space station/anomaly/some other normally controlled scenes take up too much memory on switch to share space with corvettes. could be they're changing those environments to further integrate corvettes and didn't bother trying to squeeze corvettes onto switch until it's all done

[safe quarry]

Sounds like someone has a better idea of the technical issues than we do!

Wasn't the hitch we used to have with leaving planets something to do with the anomaly being loaded into memory?

[cosmic anvil]

Imagine if we get cities 😂😂

There was some person in #nms-the-future who said door means new buildings

[safe quarry]

We wont get cities :p

new buildings is a good one tho. I've been saying all year that the old POIs are in desperate need of an update and relevance

[cosmic anvil]

Yeahh, updated settlements also would be nice. Like okay we can't get cities for now cause of technical issues but they can start building towards it by allowing roads and trade networks between the existing settlements.

But all that aside, I do think we're in for a freighter revamp.

[safe quarry]

Just planet POIs in general. Some ambient natural ones, buildings. Its something that need to prove to us they can make engaging for the sake of LNF.

[cosmic anvil]

Eight freighters honestly seems way too overwhelming at least for me

[safe quarry]

LNF doesn't have the luxury of just hopping into space if u don't care for where you are

[cosmic anvil]

I can't maintain the one I already have loll

[safe quarry]

you have to travel across the landscape, and if there's not enough POIs that draw your attention, flying the dragon will get boring really fast.

So whatever they're doing to resolve that issue should be ported to NMS too

[cosmic anvil]

LNF definitely needs cities

It's literally one planet, making the whole world just miles and miles of farmland makes little sense

[safe quarry]

I get the feeling from their description that they will leave it up to the community to build those

[cosmic anvil]

Yeahh that seems nice too

[safe quarry]

They made a big point of persistent buildings and towns/cities built by players

I think it will be a mostly barren frontier that we are meant to settle.

[cosmic anvil]

I guess corvette building mechanics are a prelude to that

Maybe we can construct our own type of buildings

Cities Skylines style

But LNF aside, doors = new buildings does make sense

But no one expected Bacon = Beacon = settlements

Like I still can't make the connection even after all this time

[safe quarry]

I still think doors=cores. Since the last expedition made us interact with the space station cores

[cosmic anvil]

So space station update?

[safe quarry]

maybe not the space stations themselves

[cosmic anvil]

Maybe we'll get corrupted space stations

[safe quarry]

since we got that recently

maybe VM controlled space stations and space?

personally if they're going VM with this, I hope for the door to mean tears in space to the realm of glass.

[cosmic anvil]

I don't think the Korvax will just sit and watch in that case though 🤔

Or maybe they'll retcon it

[gloomy isle]

I wouldn't be against station ownership since we know player actions are perfectly capable of influencing a system

Though I'm not sure how much it would offer vs the work it would take

Hmmmm

What about a portal update

They're useful but considering their lore they've lost their luster a bit over the years

[humble kayak]

i think this is pretty likely

[safe quarry]

Me too. We had a community event to reach 100% with the space station cores and uploading our memories. And until now, nothing has happened from that.

[gloomy isle]

What do you think the feature could be?

[grizzled apex]

CM contributions don't necessarily need a conclusion. Liquidator's CM progress wasn't tied to a big reveal, just unlocking the liquidator body parts for everyone.

[gloomy isle]

Talking about cores, derelict stations just came to mind

[grizzled apex]

Honestly the only examples of a CM changing something in game were probably singularity and beachhead, compared to more standard expeditions like Omega, Liquidators, Voyagers and Leviathan

[gloomy isle]

Basically untouched since next right?

Plus it's Halloween

[grizzled apex]

Voyagers added the corvette workshops / landing pads, but afaik they're still mostly untouched apart from that

[gloomy isle]

If they were to do another desolation type thing, they'd be an ideal place ngl

Though I'm not sold on the "core" name rn

[safe quarry]

That's the thing tho, this has literally done nothing.

It was made clear by HG from the start that the community would be unlocking the mech parts for everyone through their contributions

this time tho it appeared without rhyme or reason, HG never even really mentioned it in any of their patch notes, or what we were working towards.

Which is why I think it was more a teaser to lead into this next update.

"Accelerate the assembly of your first Corvette in a time-limited community expedition, offering exclusive rewards and a narrative-enhanced adventure. Your former starship has been damaged beyond repair, and the Sentinel horde is closing in. Take refuge in your Corvette - your one and only ship - maximise its stats and potential, and fight back against the horde!"

[grizzled apex]

The parts were "rewards" for playing the expedition, just as the milestone's own rewards this expedition. Liquidators itself advertised the whole community contribution bit but only gave milestone rewards

[safe quarry]

is all we really had from them regarding the expedition, no notion of the fact there was even a community element until we were in the expedition and discovered it. I remember wondering why the percentage was not going up particularly high between rendesvous before it dawned on me it was a global percentage.

I thought liquidators unlocked the mech parts for the quicksilver store by people playing the optional milestones in the liquidator expedition?

So they made it clear that the community component of the expedition that was optional had a tangible result: unlocking mech parts for everyone to purchase via the quicksilver store.

[grizzled apex]

Oop yep, was thinking about leviathan. that one had a CM contribution milestone set too, which only upgraded the quality of upgrades we got from the memory imprints

[safe quarry]

Meanwhile the voyagers expedition had a similar community component, yet we hit 100% and nothing happened as a result that we know?

mhm, that's why I think the 'reward' was us contributing to a narrative beat which will pay off this next update 🙂

We uploaded our memories to the station cores to rebuild its understanding of travellers. I wonder what the end goal of that would even be?

[grizzled apex]

I honestly didn't even see much of a narrative (atleast to the point where HG could call it a "narrative-enhanced" expedition like they did). Emergence is kinda what you'd expect for a themed exped w/ a story

[safe quarry]

I didn't replay the expedition once we hit 100% to see if anything changed dialogue wise, but from what i understand nothing did.

[grizzled apex]

Hell, even Aquarius did a better job at that

[safe quarry]

Yes i 100% agree with that. The whole uploading our memories to the station cores felt very left field too

like it almost felt unrelated to the expedition as a whole? Although maybe it had something to do with the amount of hostile sentinel planets you encountered in the expedition?

Perhaps narratively it was meant to imply that the sentinels were hostile because the Atlas had lost the data for anomalies/travellers, and assumed we were a threat. Then as you upload memories you rebuilt that data? If that were the case tho, why not have that happen throughout your own personal expedition, rather than have it be community driven? By the time i finished the expedition, it was still at 1% and calling me a threat!

The more I think it through the more i feel they rushed it and the intended narrative got lost. Maybe too focused on getting corvettes working to clean up the narrative of the expedition

it amounted to: Sentinels are bad, they destroyed your ship, most planets have hostile sentinels. Go build a corvette.

[grizzled apex]

We're at the point in the simulation where realities (travellers) bleed through regularly. Wouldn't be strange if the universal "definition" of a threat needed more than just a single traveller's signature, given how varied we tend to be

[safe quarry]

I suppose so, in which case its a bit of a failing of the expedition narrative to communicate all this. I mean the hostility of the sentinels could be coincidental? There was nothing saying that the lost data on travellers is the reason for the sentinel's violence. Just a logical assumption.

[grizzled apex]

Definitely a conspiracy theory, but I wonder if whatever's in 🚪 was meant to be a part of Voyagers too, and it's expedition was meant to be exped 19. Still kinda irks me that they missed the chance to have a VM themed exped tied to the number 19

[safe quarry]

If that's the case, maybe the amount of sentinel hostile planets reduced for players who played through it with a higher community percentage complete? If so tho that would actually make some of the sentinel milestones harder.

[grizzled apex]

I don't think HG considers their players too dumb to make that jump in logic tbh

Its a fairly simple conclusion from what we've been told