#nms-spoilers

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dense quartz
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Yeah same lol.

analog breach
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"Unused version" . So not official. and usualy we say that should not take datamined content close to heart.

late edge
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Not talking about anyone in particular but I do find the nms community can be a bit.. whiney at some points. Especially if an update is a bit underwhelming

uncut harness
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Well Relics did this but it still didnt feel that substantial

analog breach
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Ofc they are. Me included SeanBomination

gloomy isle
grizzled apex
dense quartz
uncut harness
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didnt they literally put a vague release span for worlds part 2 in some wp1 announcement, and then removed it from the notes/announcement?

analog breach
grizzled apex
gloomy isle
dense quartz
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You go from
Collect bone item... sell it.
To
Collect variations of bone items, use as base parts, construct skeletons, trade them with a new shop, new POI for bones, new bone creatures, new combat around bones, new cooking bone recipes... and sell them.

...and people legit said that it wasn't an overhaul/expansion of something existing but was instead a brand new shallow and pointless addition that went nowhere. Like how.

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Like if Relics weren't an expansion of an existing part of NMS, I really don't know what is lol.

uncut harness
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it was def more depth but to something that is moreso a niche part of the game

dense quartz
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Yeah, I think the niche part of it is what made a lot of people dismiss it a bit too harshly.

gloomy isle
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Imagine having a ship of this size to fly around

analog breach
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This bigged me the most

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Showing something that is not in final game

dense quartz
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Oh I have to rewatch the trailer now to see that lol

uncut harness
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they did?I didnt even pay attention to that

analog breach
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Tsk tsk. HG should learn by now

grizzled apex
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cough cough shuttle building cough

dense quartz
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Oh yeah I see it!

spark pecan
gloomy isle
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Or something like the federal corvette (ahem)

dense quartz
uncut harness
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Wow

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they messed up!

analog breach
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Ups u already sended it.

grizzled apex
# dense quartz

watching this bit made me genuinely think that the different creature types needed bones collected from their respective environments before I played the expedition and realized its just switching the same parts around on a basic rig

uncut harness
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At least underwater ruins kinda look cool

native carbon
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I really hope the update is tomorrow... 😦

mint lynx
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It will unless you're on switch Xbox or Mac then maybe not aha

frigid valley
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Switch has been getting updates day one for the last couple updates

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patches tho

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for patches they have to wait

uncut harness
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Xbox players have cool helmet, so they can't complain!

analog breach
mint lynx
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The patch wait is real I had bugged bases that annoyed me so much I just played on PS4 for awhile

uncut harness
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so many people had big issues, im glad it never seems to affect my saves

late tusk
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Corvettes would be sick

dense quartz
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What's all we know about corvettes btw?

analog breach
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The name

uncut harness
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just some textures iirc, and insides apparently nostromo inspired?

grizzled apex
gloomy isle
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Also they apparently have a hangar

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But yeah other than that nothing

mint lynx
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17 hours

dull verge
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That sort of sub-capital, but still with room to get up and walk around is my favorite kind of ship and I hope they become Real.

zenith perch
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I will ping you if I see nsw1 mp

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PLEASE be this and 2025 will be the BEST nms year ever

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Its more for stability reasons tbf

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wp1+2 being two updates and upgrading their engine were nuts tbh, p2 is the best ever nms update to me

mint lynx
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We thinking ns1 will get mp back ported before settlements?

mint lynx
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Mission log

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I don't even gotta click the image aha

late edge
mint lynx
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I ain't say that, the image posted just looks like a mission log
I suppose it's possible though

runic mesa
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Anyway, whatever it is... it's free.

mint lynx
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So is the common cold

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Amoungst other things free don't mean devoid of expectations or critique

late edge
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Ehh some nms fans nitpick things.

Complain if its not the exact thing they wanted

glass flare
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weren't you the one who keeps wanting Sean to be fired though lol

mint lynx
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Define nitpicking often that gets confused with critique

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Damn you want Sean fired that's crazy

late edge
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I just said that because I talk to captain steve and he tells me all the thing seans cut, like the superformula

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I think we would have a better game if grant Duncan took over

late tusk
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im still waiting for the warring factions shown in the PS showing in 2015 or so.

glass flare
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Captain Steve is not a very reliable source of information tbf

late tusk
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yes im still on that. im still waiting for warring factions

glass flare
late edge
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Ah okay i didnt know that.

glass flare
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Grant's probably had more influence on the game than anyone else there. NMS would probably have been more towards the hardcore sim side of things if it was up to Sean

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they had big arguments about that according to Sean

late edge
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Your right

I dont think sean should be fired or that Grant would make the game "better." Idk why i said that.

glass flare
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the two of them kind of balanced each other out in terms of game design and aesthetics

late edge
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I think what I meant was, I wish hello games would make this game a bit deeper is all. Like, I know star citizen isnt good but I watch gameplay videos of that sometimes and I wish NMS had some of that stuff

ebon spoke
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People do still unironically go on about the superformula but like, it's still there. It was never removed, you can find planets that use it right now. It's just extremely underwhelming for something called the 'super' formula so people who don't understand how any of this stuff works think it's some sort of magic bullet that would make proc gen better or something

late edge
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And I just blame sean sometimes because hes the face of the game

gloomy isle
mint lynx
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YouTube misinformation strikes again innit

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I just want the stuff shown in trailers they cut

gloomy isle
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He's not a bad creator but he gets a decent amount wrong

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Not as bad as certain others though

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I don't think he's ever deliberately disingenuous

mint lynx
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I hope that cynical guys right and we get a satisfactory crossover

glass flare
# late edge And I just blame sean sometimes because hes the face of the game

Yeah, the game was definitely a team effort. Sean definitely has a lot of his DNA in the game, but NMS would have been a much more niche, indie hardcore experience if he was dictating everything, and it probably wouldn't have had anywhere near the popularity. It would probably already be "finished" and no more updates.

I don't agree with all the ways Grant pushed the game towards a more casual, aesthetics-first experience, but it certainly made it appeal to a broader audience

late edge
glass flare
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I haven't heard anything directly, not that I remember. That road really started with Pathfinder (1.2), so they've been working towards it for a while. Maybe it was all the backlash about the "pee filter" they got, I dunno. Or maybe just wanted to appeal to more people

pliant aurora
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Ready for update day tomorrow!

mint lynx
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The pee filter was awful

gloomy isle
ebon spoke
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People really complained about it. It sucks because the problem was more with the colours and lighting than the filter, all the trailers and stuff had the filter too and they looked great but it's because they were colourful instead of grey and brown

gloomy isle
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Though I do think it was an overcorrection and it's taken till now to find a good balance imo

glass flare
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yeah, there was a very vocal contingent on reddit basically wanting their planet to look like Earth. i'm sure NEXT was in response to that (yuck)

late tusk
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i miss the pre NEXT deserts. they were flat and desert like

gloomy isle
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I do think atlas rises planets were a bit too much at times, had a bit of a melted ice cream look

late edge
ebon spoke
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I think a lot of the assets and stuff were simple because of art direction but also because of technical reasons. When the game became more optimized and newer systems like the PS4 Pro came out, they got a lot more room to add detail, even if that detail changed the art direction of the game significantly

late edge
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The planets even in nexts trailer looked so different from the final game too.

gloomy isle
late tusk
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im just happy we dont have many planets that are just super hilly

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anymore

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i want more ground based combat. dungeons should be on planets. i want to raid a pirate camp steal their things or something

glass flare
gloomy isle
pliant aurora
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So the expedition is a week after the update?

late edge
glass flare
mint lynx
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It's refreshing to hear this server have good things to say about next I'm use to everyone hating it

gloomy isle
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If I saw views like this in 2016 I'd never in a million years believe it's NMS

late tusk
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i want to take down a freighters shields and engines. board it with a party of npc pirates and hold the crew for ransom

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the stuff introduced in outlaws should definatley be expanded upon. if i piss off a faction they should put a bounty on us (where bounty hunting npcs attack us occasionaly) and when we enter that races system we get what bounty we have on us

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like those pirate npcs

pliant aurora
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i wonder if it will be a big or small update

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you never know with them

late tusk
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because as of right now its like

glass flare
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the draw distance was so bad in 2016 that you couldn't even see to the bottom of a mountain, they'd just turok fog that all up

late tusk
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yeah i have negative rep but it doesnt do anything lmao

gloomy isle
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Next is in a really weird place for me. On one hand it basically ruined variety for several years, but on the other hand it laid the framework for most of what the game is today

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Didn't even have refiners until then

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Not to mention the addition of free base computer placement

pliant aurora
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Yeah I remember pathfinder had a crazy amount of color vaierty and next killed that

mint lynx
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Before I really started talking here I knew no one who liked next everyone says it ruined generation and it took from 3.0 to worlds to fix it

glass flare
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I mean I've tried to find beauty in every version. some are harder than others

pliant aurora
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Bringing in third person was the best part for me

glass flare
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the sense of scale was much better in NEXT. like actually tall trees. but the lack of color variation was a big bummer for a long time

pliant aurora
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i cant go back to 1st person mode because the models look so nice

late edge
ebon spoke
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I hate refiners, the last thing the already tedious resource collection/crafting loop needed was an extra step where you have to gather even more resources to place a physical piece of machinery that takes more resources to fuel so you can sit next to it for a couple minutes doing nothing while it refines some essential material for fuel

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At least the personal refiner does a lot to fix it, but we were stuck without that for a good while

mint lynx
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Thank god for freighter refiners

late tusk
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i wish an update would make stellar refiners actually do something

gloomy isle
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I feel like origins bought variation to a place where it was pretty good in a lot of ways. Worlds part 1 and 2 were kind of insane in that they added a similar number of biomes to origins each, on top of the other improvements and having them be way more procedural

ebon spoke
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Pre Origins exploration was bad, frozen planets had two possible biomes, and one of them had no procedural variation aside from the terrain and creatures

gloomy isle
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The one thing still weirdly lacking atm is probably sunset colours

glass flare
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I wish that star color affected the atmosphere and sunsets

late edge
glass flare
ebon spoke
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I think sunset colours used to actually be affected by the daytime atmosphere? They aren't now, each planet just chooses a day atmosphere, a sunset/rise atmosphere, and a night atmosphere totally independently of each other.

glass flare
gloomy isle
ebon spoke
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I'd love to see varying day/night cycle lengths per planet, but we can't really get that without planet rotation because of multiplayer

glass flare
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not sure why that would require rotation? i assume it's just a numeric value for the planet gen set somewhere..

gloomy isle
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The time of day is system wide I think

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(unless cursed did something to get around that, I don't remember)

ebon spoke
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day and night is caused by the sun rotating around the system. So in order for the sun position to be synced for all players in the system, it has to be moving at the same speed.

late edge
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Stupid play testers kept saying planet rotation was a bug

ebon spoke
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Before Next the day/night cycle would pause when you were in space so you didn't see the sun moving across the sky, but because of multiplayer it never stops now

gloomy isle
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I do think planet rotation would look jarring with the current length of the days

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Not confusing but just aesthetically a bit weird

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It works very well in elite dangerous because of the timescale involved

glass flare
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damn multiplayer

mint lynx
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Multiplayer the root of all issues

humble kayak
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nah i'm good

gloomy isle
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All hands on deck 👋

mint lynx
humble kayak
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I've learnt my lesson cinder I will not extend the pact LOL

humble kayak
dense quartz
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2 am
Today's the day.

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Time for me to fast forward time and wait less by sleeping lol.

molten karma
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It'll be delayed and come out in 2 weeks.

gloomy isle
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Night everyone

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I'm off to bed early so I can work early and clock out 😂

late edge
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With corvettes i wonder if that means EVA. Maybe you can pop open the back and float

mint lynx
late edge
humble kayak
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🤨

mint lynx
zenith perch
mint lynx
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No cowboy or gib yet?

zenith perch
mint lynx
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Update on the way in 14-16 hours

humble kayak
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in what way? I don't know

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but no cowboy or gib is

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peculiar

river surge
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Less

mint lynx
humble kayak
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hmm

spark pecan
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only 10 hours left

river surge
humble kayak
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"Difficult to see, always in motion is the future"

spark pecan
humble kayak
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AKA we can't figure out jack shit

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who knows what HG is planning

river surge
late edge
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They post the cowboys when theyre about to publish the update

spark pecan
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so we will get a big update and twitch drops

mint lynx
viral geyser
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hear me out, what if its just a celebration update where they add items and little things to celebrate hello games and no mans skt, and the expeiditon could be based off that, like crafting fireworks, building bases that kind of thing

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would be lame but I could see that happening

late edge
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Its possible

viral geyser
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my prediction is an expidition celebrating 9 years since same day expiditions tend to be for smaller updates

molten karma
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I wonder if that's Martins way of saying to tamper expectations tbh.

viral geyser
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oh nvm now its a week later

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could be a big one then

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that actually gets my hopes up

glass flare
spark pecan
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i do feel they will stop updating the game next year with a last update bc the game came out in 2016 and now it is almost 10 years probably the best thing to do and dont forget light no fire coming out next year... it does sound right

white edge
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it has been said they will continue development alongside LNF

spark pecan
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i see

glass flare
late edge
glass flare
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well, it could contain multiple things in the update. dunno

late edge
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True

solar prairie
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Honestly the one thing I want is better cave gen planets are fine but caves are the last thing that are kinda lacking from a procgen standpoint

mint lynx
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Worlds part 3 🙏🏽🥀

late edge
mint lynx
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I will only say it's a bad update if they waste a update on mp lol

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🏘️❌

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Beacons was like 50% good all the new buildings parts lol

mint lynx
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Hell yeah 💯👍🏽

humble kayak
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literally just corvettes

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thats it

mint lynx
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Call me Debbie Downer because I don't see a point in space corvettes with freighters existing now boat versions for water worlds

molten karma
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I'm indifferent if corvettes add nothing to gameplay they're 100% useless filler. For all we know the corvettes could just be a unique ship reward for a expedition no different than the wraith and ufo looking one. Also I personally just want a combat update and more color variation. Such amazing terrain but the colors of it hold it back.

mint lynx
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Poi update is what I'm hoping for

viral geyser
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it did nothing to even make settlements better it just added more

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core settlements are lowkey uselss

late edge
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This new feature needs this gameplay loop surrounding it, this feature needs a gameplay loop. Oy lol nothing against anyone here. Just talking about in general

humble kayak
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Giving everything its own unique gameplay loop is how we got to the mile wide inch deep problem

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If a new feature is to be added it should interlock with another feature

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there should be cohesion

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otherwise you're just going to have a bunch of freefloating mechanics that don't tie in to eachother

ebon spoke
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I wouldn't put it past Hello Games to drop yet another disconnected gimmicky feature, but at the same time I really don't see how Corvettes (as we understand them) could even be added without some changes to space gameplay

viral geyser
humble kayak
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With our VERY limited knowledge on corvettes it seems they'd have to be launched alongside other content to "prop it up"

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corvettes on their own would be an odd piece to fit into the puzzle

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you're joking, we know that, but the server leadership won't take kindly to that

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like at all

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anyway,

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corvettes would need some form of supporting gameplay mechanics to not make them gimmicky and awkward

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Unless they're made into a new ship class outright

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which would be really funny because haulers have been neglected in the ship customizer for like

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awhile now

mint lynx
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Rip shuttles even more

glass flare
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plot twist, corvettes are just 6 shuttles taped together

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it's hard for me to draw any conclusion or opinion about them because like... other than "hey I can ride with my friends" or "hey I can have yet another base", I'm not seeing the big gameplay opportunity for SP folks like me. not unless they revamp the NPCs

mint lynx
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I like my theory of 👋🏽means NPCs still
It's what they do when you walk up to them

humble kayak
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for me they're interesting as a mobile base that isn't a massive capital ship, so both for headcanon lore reasons and gameplay reasons i'd like the corvettes

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but I do understand where like, everyone else is coming from lol

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people would look at the corvettes and go "Okay this looks cool, but what does this bring to the table?"

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and we don't know if HG has an answer to that just yet

humble kayak
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but it makes sense

mint lynx
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Turbo brain activate

ebon spoke
humble kayak
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You're probably right

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they're either a type of frigate or something else entirely

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reasonably speaking, that is

glass flare
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which is why it's probably doubtful that these things can land on a planet

humble kayak
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The corvette's hangar is probably so you can send normal ships into space stations and landing pads, though I still hope corvettes can actually land anyway

humble kayak
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and that using a normal ship would just be easier

humble kayak
late edge
humble kayak
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they're just smaller freighters that can move at that point

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they can't land on planets or dock with stations

glass flare
humble kayak
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Wouldn't make sense given that freighters exist

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freighters fill that command ship role

glass flare
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i'm just spitballing, I don't know. like I said, I don't see the value of them in the first place right now :)

humble kayak
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well you've got valid critiques, theres no doubt about that

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at least within the context of what we know, which admittedly

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isn't much

glass flare
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I guess if it was like a Defiant class ship (Star Trek DS9) with heavy firepower... but to use against what exactly?

humble kayak
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yeah exactly

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unless their value is that we can take them places we cant take other ships

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but that wouldnt make sense in any typical sense

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because they're physically larger

late edge
humble kayak
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But what'd be out in deep space?

glass flare
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yeah, I think it would require an opposing force we haven't seen yet (VM ships?)

humble kayak
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I immediately thought like

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maybe the corvettes could reach the world of glass

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but that opens up a big can of worms

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on what the world of glass would even be like from a gameplay perspective

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what'd be in it

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what you'd do in it, etc

glass flare
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or why we'd want to go there since VM already came to us

humble kayak
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exactly

ebon spoke
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A space overhaul would be really nice. I don't think 👋 means "Space: Part I" which would be my ideal update right now, though sadly

late edge
humble kayak
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that's a real possibility

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I'd say "but we dont know what else could be in this update"

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but

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we never know what'll be in the updates

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so that's a moot point

humble kayak
late edge
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I just hope everyone is happy with whatever it is.

humble kayak
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as long as its not ocean related i'll be ok with it

ebon spoke
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if Sean ever tweets the 🌌 emoji, that's when the real hype starts

late edge
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What if he tweeted 🖕

humble kayak
humble kayak
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which is really funny looking back on, on twitter

late edge
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I do imagine space will get updated eventually.

knotty mountain
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would love to see an actual spacewalk mechanic

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like instead of falling inexplicably

glass flare
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the problem with space is it's so big and empty, it will never feel like a cool place to explore unless they change the way they allow us to explore it. no more "use your pulse drive until thing appears" which is just a crap way to do it

ebon spoke
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Endurance was a good start for new space stuff; space storms (that don't do anything), new, rare asteroids that only spawn in some systems (and have the same loot as normal asteroids), space fauna (that are all the same design) and space whales (that you have to do an overly complicated series of actions to even see)

late edge
late edge
novel summit
late edge
knotty mountain
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I mean but to some extent, isn't the emptiness of space kinda the point?

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like it do be like that

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space be empty

humble kayak
novel summit
humble kayak
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Starfield tried to use the "space is boring" excuse

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it didn't end well

glass flare
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i think part of the space issue with NMS is that the star systems are just not actually big explorable 3D environments. i mean aside from the planetary arrangements it's all smoke and mirrors. and we don't get to see deep space at all

humble kayak
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there's a difference between sailing uncharted systems and seeing no civilization or any proof of prior habitation in a place

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and going some place and seeing it just

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quite literally empty

late edge
humble kayak
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except ship customization

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starfield does that better imo

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but they're aiming for something else so it isnt entirely a fair comparison

knotty mountain
glass flare
late edge
late edge
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Maybe it was just boring idk

knotty mountain
glass flare
turbid harness
glass flare
late edge
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Sad

ebon spoke
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most 'voxels' on the galactic map are empty space as opposed to stars. If you make the game load those coords it'll generate a system like normal but it would be cool if they a) were accessible through legitimate means and b) loaded as 'deep space' with no planets or sun.

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They could do a lot to make them useful, like having certain encounters be exclusive or more common in deep space (derelict freighters and living frigates come to mind), they could have special asteroids or gas clouds that you could harvest for valuable resources, they could maybe have really rare rogue planets where it's night all the time

late edge
glass flare
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pirate bases

eternal girder
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would be interesting if thatd also make hyperdrive drain fuel per ly rather than per use

zenith perch
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Imagine they call this update like, Testimony instead of things I've guessed

ebon spoke
eternal girder
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aw

ebon spoke
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The fuel consumption was based on the percentage of your max jump range, more or less

eternal girder
zenith perch
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Give me ship boost toggling

glass flare
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"boost toggle" sounds maximum 1990s

humble kayak
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all i want in the game is to feel like I'm really living in the universe

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if a feature works towards that goal, all the better as far as i am concerned

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if some of those features are more controversial, make them a toggle in the difficulty menu

misty pollen
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I don't know who gave me a spaceship pilot license but wow they're unqualified to judge

mint lynx
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Still no Gibb

late edge
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Probably a smaller update then with no Gibb

charred mason
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Or it’s delayed past today

late edge
mint lynx
late edge
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Im not listening

viral geyser
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you guys realize he does the gib like an hour before it drops right

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its not dropping for AT least another 7-8 hours

charred mason
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Yeah it’s still Tuesday here lol

late edge
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Oh true

mint lynx
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242pm here lol

late edge
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11:43 here.

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Canada

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Is Tasmania a different country from Australia? Or a part of it

runic mesa
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And this is why we play other games while we wait. 😛

cosmic anvil
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Do we have the update?

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Sorry bit late to the party hehe

late edge
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Few hours yet

sour fossil
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No, expected in like 6 hours

cosmic anvil
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Thanks cool

sour fossil
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For notifications for specific platforms

cosmic anvil
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So what can we expect a lot of people say corvettes, others say Worlds Part III, what is the most likely?

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Like I know we don't know anything until the update drops but something to look forward to would be nice

mint lynx
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What if we're in the evil timeline and Sean removes a update from NMS instead of giving one

ebon spoke
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👋 goodbye to purple systems (HG was just testing gas giants for LNF and now that the test is done the NMS universe is going back to normal)

late edge
native carbon
grizzled apex
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PS sale up

mint lynx
grizzled apex
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Oop, and there's that unnamed SteamDB update again

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Can't say it is an internal, can't say it isn't?

late edge
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@grizzled apex 65 days uploaded 2 nms songs

grizzled apex
lime birch
grizzled apex
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They've never done that before

glass flare
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what do you mean, new ones?

grizzled apex
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Could you send a link? Is it on their YT?

grizzled apex
lime birch
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Oh yes, it's even on Spotify

late edge
grizzled apex
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I recognize the Journey

mint lynx
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@grizzled apex Is the exp still gunna be a week late?

grizzled apex
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Paul Weir uploaded it himself a while back too

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Vostock sounds familiar though

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I wonder if we're getting a new NMS album for the anniversary too?

grizzled apex
lime birch
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Maybe we will also get No Man's Sky Vinyl

grizzled apex
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Unless they change before the update drops, I think the exped is gonna launch later

mint lynx
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Damn hopefully the update itself big

grizzled apex
#

Oh hey

grizzled apex
# late edge

The Album cover art here is very similar to the T shirts / bottle merch in the world's deep dives

grizzled apex
#

I think they're gonna announce more than just the update today

sour fossil
#

The cover reminds me of the old Atlas logo T-shirts they had

#

Wanted one but it was out of stock, settled with the ship designs one

lime birch
#

Well he wrote that there will be few surprises

grizzled apex
#

Gonna be a fun day it seems

late edge
#

Mhmm! Seems so

#

If they release a physical album of nms music I will buy it. And im not even a big music guy lol

mint lynx
#

Know what I just thought of

#

Corvettes are kinda like halo ships and hello is sorta like Halo too

What if the update halo inspired

grizzled apex
late edge
#

Yeah I think so!

ebon spoke
#

They did a vinyl at release, right?

glass flare
#

Yeah

mint lynx
#

Yeah you can get it for like 200 bux

late edge
#

Why does all this stuff have to happen at 1 in the morning 😂

viral geyser
#

Holy fuck I’ve been wanting a new nms vinyl for so long

viral geyser
late edge
#

I would guess so. What else are we going to do for a week lol

grizzled apex
#

They'll have submitted gold versions of the update for certification to consoles already, so delaying it this late isn't feasible

dusk blade
viral geyser
lime birch
#

@viral geyser they are probably waiting for all platforms to have a new version

viral geyser
#

Because usually for the smaller updates they have the whole expedition centered around the one feature and have it the same day

grizzled apex
dusk blade
viral geyser
#

Why do all the content creators of nms (mainly professor cynical and captain steve) both use ai slop in there videos

grizzled apex
dusk blade
#

Just like ALL of us. I know just as much, or as little, as everyone else outside of HG. That is to say nothing

grizzled apex
dusk blade
mint lynx
#

Said exp was uploaded on the 28th tho with nothing announced for the anniversary crazy work

dusk blade
#

Could just be an internal beta build. We shall see in a few hours either way.

mint lynx
#

My minus 6ish hours indeed

safe quarry
uncut harness
#

6 hours to goooo! (Hopefully)

safe quarry
#

Like, i once saw him even bring up the wikipedia page on it, but if he had actually taken the time to read it rather than focus on content, then he would have realised his mistake then and there. That the 'superformula' is a bit of a misnomer because really all it does is make pretty patterns with ellipses. Like it is basically a glorified version of a kid's spirograph in terms of what it actually outputs, hehe.

rancid flax
#

what does captainsteve claim it to be then?

safe quarry
#

He thinks its some kind of formula that HG couldn't use because of licensing issues that generates entire worlds and procedural flora.

rancid flax
#

ooohhh wait i remember hearing about this now

safe quarry
#

Which kind of devalues the incredible amount of work and attention the team puts into the myriad of different formulas and generations that overlap to actually create the terrain we have.

safe quarry
#

The creator of the 'superformula' had patented the formula for use in media like games. And he accused HG of using it in NMS.

#

Truth was, accordig to a video from a developer talking about terrain generation works, they'd tried all sorts of interlapping formulas to see what would create interesting terrain, and the superformula is one they tried but didn't use in the final build. Likely because it didn't make any interesting geometric features.

#

The terrain generation is actually a lot of formulas overlapping, its a bit reductive of me, but say the terrains tapology is handled by a different formula to cave generation. Then the results of one formula is subtracted or added to the other. That's really speaking about it in laymans terms tho, more complex even than that.

gloomy isle
#

Okay so exp is in a week an we have new ost??? Hype engaged

safe quarry
#

According to @grizzled apex

#

at least the start date is set to later today

viral geyser
#

Look again

grizzled apex
safe quarry
#

oh speak of the devil. I thought the exp was today? @grizzled apex

grizzled apex
safe quarry
#

Yes that's news to me.

grizzled apex
#

They could move it back and forth again (I'll keep an eye out till I can), but currently it's set to 3rd sept

safe quarry
#

Well that's kind of good because historically the more meaningful expeditions are set to go live later.

#

Tho it also implies they are increasing their runway or whatever comes next.

zenith perch
gloomy isle
#

Plus it's usually bigger updates that follow this pattern too

grizzled apex
safe quarry
#

It also shoots down Professor Cynicals 'leak' that the new update is intrinsically tied to a new expedition.

late edge
zenith perch
#

This update might be larger than I thought

safe quarry
zenith perch
#

2 songs?

#

I hope it's uploaded on yt

rancid flax
#

the 2nd one is already in the game i swear

zenith perch
#

What is vostock I wonder

rancid flax
#

or is it some varitation?

sour fossil
#

Those songs were in game for long time

dusk blade
sour fossil
#

Maybe these are some variations of the existing ones

safe quarry
grizzled apex
dusk blade
#

Normally such lead to release later in the day, more than on a different day.

safe quarry
#

Depends on the severity of the issue i guess

grizzled apex
safe quarry
#

but they could have put it back a week just to be safe and not have it tick live accidentally before they've caught it

dusk blade
#

They save time by skipping unit and system testing.

safe quarry
#

then again any patches would also need to go through authentication with their platforms

#

which takes time.

dusk blade
#

Yes, the code for todays release was finished and submitted for approval days ago.

zenith perch
#

How many songs are there

dusk blade
#

2

safe quarry
zenith perch
#

Wait how long are they

#

If it's 2 it suggests a new quest maybe

safe quarry
#

Someone at HG probably has a busy morning, hehe

gloomy isle
#

If anything it's an indicator that the update is chunky imo

dusk blade
#

I don't think hotfix patches go through the same rigorous approval process.

grizzled apex
safe quarry
grizzled apex
uncut harness
# late edge

The cover is nice, i‘m at always at awe how simple yet aesthetically pleasing the Atlas is actually designed AtlasNmscord

zenith perch
#

Microsoft is very strict on this stuff

dusk blade
#

Yeah, they've released hotfixes same day or day after a major release.

safe quarry
#

I am surprised Supermoon is not on there

gloomy isle
zenith perch
#

Idk how they're as fast as they are with hotfixes

safe quarry
#

since that is kind of like the 'iconic' no man's sky soundtrack

sour fossil
#

uhhh Supermoon?

dusk blade
sour fossil
#

Sorry I read that wrong

zenith perch
safe quarry
sour fossil
#

There's bunch of music that hasn't been "officially" relased

#

Yeah I know it, I read your message wrong, sorry

uncut harness
dusk blade
grizzled apex
zenith perch
sour fossil
#

BomberBoi has WP2 tracks on their YT channel

earnest nebula
grizzled apex
sour fossil
safe quarry
#

With them updating both soundtracks and their website it does look like they're doing some general housekeeping.

zenith perch
#

Bomber is actually Sean /s

zenith perch
safe quarry
#

Probably off the back of also having to find new mech suppliers

zenith perch
#

Incredibly incredibly good soundtracks

sour fossil
#

... in their defense, they are new ones

#

Like added this year

dusk blade
#

How dare you disparage BomberBoi like that!

zenith perch
#

Yeah but they're used like once

sour fossil
#

How could they use them more if they just added it

#

Also the same point can be made for existing tracks

zenith perch
#

Make them randomly play in purple systems

grizzled apex
# zenith perch CRIMINAL these aren't used more

Tbf, they added a setting to expedition files to override the music when the exped starts, when these tracks were added, so they can reuse tracks added in other parts of the update for the exped starts track

sour fossil
#

Why is Blueprint for Slow Machine play only once? Why is Asimov limited to just 1st station visit?

safe quarry
#

You know it makes me super curious what soundscape they'll lean into for LNF's music.

dusk blade
#

Because HG. 🙂

sour fossil
#

Because they are meant to highlight significant steps in your journey

zenith perch
#

Eotws1 variation 10h version

sour fossil
#

Not being thrown in randomly

earnest nebula
#

and sounds

safe quarry
zenith perch
#

It's only 0819 for me but if I go back to sleep I'll wake up at like 1pm ish and I'm not missing this

dusk blade
blissful dragon
#

The Journey very blade runner esque

safe quarry
#

What they could be doing actually by putting the expedition back, is mitigating their world load.

#

If they expect to be bug fixing the update proper

#

why put extra work on top of that having to bug fix the expedition too.

#

gives them a week to catch high priority issues from the update.

#

and push it back further if they have to

dusk blade
#

We've exactly zero visibility into HGs development process. They have a system, done these content add updates and expeditions for many years. They are going to do what they do, when they do it. 🙂

safe quarry
#

and it also gives them more engagement, because we won't burn through all the content and expedition at once.

#

Oh yes, just speculating 🙂

#

Finding ways it might not be doom and gloom of some big issue forcing them to push back the exp

dusk blade
#

Don Quixote, NMS edition. lol

glass flare
#

I really hope they rework the distribution of the newer creatures they added in purple systems. plant creatures and bone creatures are way way way too common right now

mint lynx
#

It's delayed because switch won't be getting the update again woe be upon ye

zenith perch
#

What's the earliest an update has dropped pre trailer

mint lynx
#

Bone animals aren't really any less random then plant animals to be fair

glass flare
#

it's made worse by the fact that neither of them have much at all procedural variation to them. seen in once, you've pretty much seen em all

dusk blade
#

Historically, unlikely for them to re-touch something very recently added.

#

That doesn't make for new sales, brand new content does.

earnest nebula
safe quarry
#

I think it will be void mother related, or first person animations.

uncut harness
mint lynx
#

First person animations would be cool give a reason to use first person mode again

safe quarry
#

Altho the expedition being pushed back... depends how if its void mother related, they've divided up the narrative

safe quarry
#

clearly the exp isn't critical to the narrative of the update.

#

unless it teases what will come in the expedition.

earnest nebula
#

how do we know when the expedition is?

glass flare
gloomy isle
#

When an exp drops the week after an update, it's usually a decently big update too iirc

dusk blade
safe quarry
#

Did relics expedition drop alongside the update? I think so? It was Titan that got pushed back?

analog breach
zenith perch
uncut harness
zenith perch
gloomy isle
safe quarry
#

Soo a delayed expedition is a good sign for it being the big summer update.

safe quarry
#

during the reduxes i think, because it broke the cursed redux.

#

I want to say Titan was two weeks after WP2 because they had to push the timeline back to give people more time to finish the cursed once they fixed it?

#

maybe 2-3 hours-ish until playstation gets the update first?

#

I feel its usually around that time all the playstation players start posting screens of their download bars, hehe

zenith perch
#

Give it about 1h 21 idk and ps4 players will probably get the update first if it's definitely today

safe quarry
glass flare
#

Nah more like 5-6, because I’m always asleep when it drops (LA here)

zenith perch
#

Update not trailer

safe quarry
#

I am sooo tempted to only look at the splash page, and then avoid seeing any screens of the new content (depending on what it is)

#

if its new first person animations, or new POIs I will sneak a peak

#

but if its void mother stuff or corvettes, i want my experience of them in-game to be the first time i see them.

dusk blade
#

If no issues, should drop in about 2-4 hours. If they hit snags, could be later in the day.

zenith perch
#

The in game blurb never does updates justice anyways

safe quarry
#

It does just enough to tell you what the update is about, without actually spoiling it.

zenith perch
#

We'll get a name at least

#

I will await patch notes before playing it as always

dusk blade
#

Welcome to the Coffee Hand update

glass flare
#

Anyway night yall, see you in the update zone

safe quarry
#

I won't hehe. Tho some updates without knowing how to trigger the update you can go in just like 'sooo...where is it?'

dusk blade
#

It'll be anywhere from 1-7 days before I actually get in-game to check things out. That's my usual, based on external influences.

zenith perch
#

I'd never play an update without knowing what's been changed

dusk blade
#

Just depends on how much the update breaks.

safe quarry
#

That reminds me to backup my save.

zenith perch
safe quarry
#

Its safe to delete the cache part of the save file right? That thing is huge and as far as I'm aware its just base screenshots?

#

(delete it from the backup i should say)

uncut harness
#

The Update will be perfectly polished, HG is going to surprise us this time!

quartz thistle
rapid hedge
#

I know I'm a minority here but I would love for them to update VR to have actual roomscale 😭 been asking for it since released. Maybe this update will answer my prayers 🙏

molten karma
#

So which platform is getting it first this time? I remember when PC use to get the updates first than recently it's been PS and I remember a couple of times where Xbox got it first. Than you got Switch which is usually two weeks late.

plain sluice
gloomy isle
#

It's usually been PS lately iirc, but I'm not sure

#

Time's closing in

grizzled apex
grizzled apex
vestal barn
gloomy isle
grizzled apex
gloomy isle
zenith perch
#

Gonna tilt the entire fridge and tip it over to do a right turn

grizzled apex
icy citrus
#

@spiral patrol A larger ship type, with an area to build on

spiral patrol
#

That's what a lot of people have been asking for to be fair but I doubt it would be as an expedition ship rather a new ship type all together

eternal girder
cosmic anvil
spiral patrol
#

I would love my Boundary Herald to have place for more people inside like falcon millenium lol but it only has a small cockpit

gloomy isle
spiral patrol
#

At best haulers could be overhauled with that ability if not a new ship design

gloomy isle
#

It adds to the experience 😂

earnest nebula
#

spoiler: the sky is truly owned by ||no man||

dense quartz
molten karma
#

He usually shows signs of life by now hopefully Seans okay... Who am I kidding I'm more concerned about the update. Sean please say something already. 🥲

gloomy isle
#

Ngl the autophage are probably one of the coolest concepts in NMS

spiral patrol
#

In my opinion we should be getting trailers before the update with he exact date

molten karma
#

Martin is the new face of the company confirmed?

dense quartz
molten karma
#

Can we recall what time it usually drops early or is it always random?

dense quartz
#

It's like whoever is in charge of pushing it out and marketting it aren't too organized or something lol.

zenith perch
#

Has a mainline update ever dropped on a day that isn't Wednesday

zenith perch
icy citrus
#

Every day but Sunday has been used I think

#

Wednesday is most common

grizzled apex
safe quarry
#

I would expect ps4 will get theirs soonish

cosmic anvil
grizzled apex
safe quarry
#

mhm

spiral patrol
flint hollow
spiral patrol
#

Also how do you all back up the save

safe quarry
#

What platform are you on?

spiral patrol
#

Steam

cosmic anvil
safe quarry
#

Do you know how to reach your appdata folder? its hidden.

quartz thistle
#

Windows+R then enter appdata I think

safe quarry
#

mhm and then it's in Roaming, and just copy the Hello Games folder and save it somewhere.

#

Probably not needed, but always good to be safe!

#

Beacons was the first time ever if i recall where HG just had to shrug their shoulders with an issue and tell players to go back to a backup. Think it was an issue in experimental tho.

#

Normally with live issues if there's a problem they bake in a way to reclaim what they can that was broken by the issue.

#

or to retroactively fix things.

dense quartz
#

What was the issue?

safe quarry
#

I don't remember exactly, something to do with missions restarting

#

But its the first time i've seen the patch notes just telling people to revert

molten karma
#

So this is pacific time US but usually with the last two updates he dropped the first tweet before release around 4 to 5 am which its 2:53 am right now and for WPII he dropped the first tweet around 2:57am the video and patch notes seem to come out around 7 to 8 am.

gloomy isle
#

Yeah we're getting close

uncut harness
#

Cowboy imminent

icy citrus
#

Maybe

dense quartz
#

Yeah the update can drop anywhere between right now and the next 5 hours.

molten karma
#

I just wonder if he doesn't tweet until 4 am like with relics and beacon I wonder if it means its smaller. Worlds had less tweets but also the tweets started two hours earlier.

gloomy isle
#

Corvettes imminent

#

My name depends on it

safe quarry
#

Me and my ridiculous 'corvette wave' theory refuse to be complicit in your pact :p

icy citrus
#

Too late

safe quarry
#

Whatever @gloomy isle has done is all on them!

safe quarry
#

if it really is that, Sean will have to do like 10 follow up tweets explaining the history of chevrolet, just so people understand the emoji.

icy citrus
#

No, he will let us (community) explain

gloomy isle
gloomy isle
spiral patrol
zenith perch
#

No

spiral patrol
#

If I was in game what would happen

flint hollow
#

Any chance for the update to be tomorrow?

gloomy isle
zenith perch
#

Sean tweeted 30s ago

spiral patrol
flint hollow
uncut harness
zenith perch
#

A 😅 emoji

flint hollow
flint hollow
zenith perch
#

He tweet a "you guys ❤️ " too

spiral patrol
#

Retweet a meme of himself also

gloomy isle
#

Not sure when the last time was that Wednesday wasn't update day

zenith perch
#

Give it 13 minutes and one platform will get it source it came to me in a dream

safe quarry
grizzled apex
#

Oop Sean's up

spiral patrol
spiral patrol
safe quarry
zenith perch
#

Vostock is the same ost as The Journey @grizzled apex

#

Wasn't this used on the main menu during NEXT

uncut harness
#

Vostock is a different track than Journey?

quartz thistle
grizzled apex
#

Didn't get to give both a full listen yet

uncut harness
gloomy isle
#

I've heard journey a lot on poison planets (not sure if it's to do with the biome but my brain just links it to those specifically for some reason)

ebon spoke
grizzled apex
uncut harness
# gloomy isle I've heard journey a lot on poison planets (not sure if it's to do with the biom...

Hmmm fr? I dont think The Journey plays regulary, only in the tutorial and living ship quest iirc, here the ingame version https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMvu4C5F8vk&list=LL&index=2

A gorgeous new track used at the beginning of a new game in No Man's Sky after the "NEXT" update. The title is unofficial. All credit goes to Paul Weir.

Also, second video in a row to end up at 4:20?

Download here:
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quartz thistle
#

Speculation on every of those 960 updates, at least one has gotta hit

dense quartz
#

Oh yeah there's that whole thing with yt content creators making HG sponsored videos today.

grizzled apex
#

Gib's here

uncut harness
#

its kinda cool how they decided to use the title the yt uploader gave it

vestal barn
quartz thistle
#

GIB

uncut harness
#

it was fitting so why not

safe quarry
hybrid pendant
#

Should come out in a few mins ?

flint hollow
dense quartz
#

Gib!

quartz thistle
grizzled apex
flint hollow
#

What's that?

safe quarry
#

Its a sign the update is coming very soon

flint hollow
#

Oh

uncut harness
safe quarry
#

the community made it to 'summon' the update once

#

and so Sean now runs with it hehe

ebon spoke
flint hollow
fervent wren
#

update today or tomorrow?

safe quarry
#

one time the community paid to have it put on a public billboard outside their studio

flint hollow
gloomy isle
uncut harness
safe quarry
grizzled apex
spiral patrol
safe quarry
#

and little Sean:

grizzled apex
uncut harness
#

def today now, the gib is here

gloomy isle
uncut harness
#

though the cowboy is even more important

#

A WY shirt would be lit, hopefully we gettin some Alien Earth merch soon...but anyways, this is NMS!

safe quarry
quartz thistle
gloomy isle
safe quarry
#

hehe

#

Well best you wait until next year for your corvettes

uncut harness
spiral patrol
#

Gib meaning few hours and cowboy would mean like few minutes?

grizzled apex
safe quarry
molten karma
#

We do get both. Sometimes they're in different orders. The gib was dormant for a while after NEXT actually.

cyan nova
#

he just tweeted the cow boy

safe quarry
#

People kept speculating that cowboy meant expedition, gib meant big update, but really there's no correlation. Its just: it's coming.

uncut harness
#

Don't forget to keep your expectations in check guys!

safe quarry
quartz thistle
#

Cowboy is here boys

wind panther
#

It's go time

#

Or cloberrin', if you're a classic F4 fan

spiral patrol
#

Let's go

#

So hyped

grizzled apex
quartz thistle
#

Hand

earnest nebula
#

oh boy oh boy

spiral patrol
burnt oyster
#

hellooo

spiral patrol
#

I mean I do but I mhappy with whatever

wind panther
#

It's a Hellraiser game collab

spiral patrol
#

As long as it's free update time

quartz thistle
#

I'm just happy that they keep giving free updates

wind panther
#

devkits

drifting perch
#

!update

cloud joltBOT
#

⚠️ NO UPDATE SPOILERS

Go to #nms-spoilers until official patch notes come out in #nms-news-ticker and #nms-announcements.
-# Info Content not officially announced by HG and not released on all platforms is considered to be spoilers -- this includes data-mined content and leaks.

earnest nebula
earnest nebula
wind panther
earnest nebula
#

this is where the spoilers go

drifting perch
earnest nebula
#

how 😭

burnt oyster
#

`????

wind panther
#

I hear the update has megabytes in it

burnt oyster
#

LOL

earnest nebula
#

woah

safe quarry
#

Don't we normally have at least the ps4 downloading before all the emojis? I feel they come closer to the patch notes and trailer drop?

wind panther
#

No

safe quarry
#

Are they giving us the trailer ahead of the update for a change?

earnest nebula
#

after some intense datamining i've discovered that this update is indeed composed of code

dense quartz
#

"Do NOT post spoilers in this channel! Go to this channel to post spoilers!"

burnt oyster
#

which device gets the update first?

wind panther
#

Cowboy is before any of the platforms drop and PS isn't before others

icy citrus
#

Mine

safe quarry
wind panther
#

Often PS or Steam, but even Switch had the win once

safe quarry
#

I already have it. It's Beacons 2.

spiral patrol
#

Sean rn:

cloud joltBOT
#

@spiral patrol

No gifs in this channel please

spiral patrol
#

Damn

burnt oyster
#

F

earnest nebula
#

i wanna hang out here while it's about to come out, but

spiral patrol
#

😔

earnest nebula
#

(im gonna do both)

burnt oyster
wind panther
#

Too bad, pick a side! You're either with us or you're against us

burnt oyster
#

one on discord app the other on browser

gusty stream
#

Maybe ps4 gets it first again this time...

native carbon
#

Is de update out?

safe quarry
#

Welcome all the new peeps waiting for spoilery news

wind panther
#

Soon

earnest nebula
#

it's today

#

you win

gloomy isle
wind panther
#

We get Gunter notification on Steam update, yes?

orchid bronze
#

Face and cowboy nearly right after the other? Damn they are quick

wind panther
#

Gib, not face

earnest nebula
#

maybe sean's excited for this one

native carbon
#

Heh, who won the pact again? Meee!!!

wind panther
#

I didn't lose a pact...

earnest nebula
#

you should make a pact that it'll come out on the 28th

orchid bronze
earnest nebula
#

youll be right, trust

wind panther
#

Corvettes? More ship customization? Inquiring pacts want to know

earnest nebula
#

i REALLY want corvettes

#

sean, do this for me pretty please

burnt oyster
#

im just excited how they communicate with the community, its such a cool concept

#

as a new person (couple weeks) its super cool to see

gloomy isle
#

I really want them but I'm fully prepared to be stuck with a new name 😂

safe quarry
#

Corvette wave!

orchid bronze
#

September just keeps getting a more stacked month for me gaming wise

earnest nebula
#

if we get corvettes im gonna go totally bonkers

rotund perch
#

Yeah wasn't there a Corvette datamine?

wind panther
#

It's really just because Sean isn't allowed to say anything anymore, so that's the only way he can communicate 😛

#

Yes, corvettes are in the files, but no idea when or if they will hit the game

gloomy isle
earnest nebula
wind panther
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Minotaur was in the files over a year before released

earnest nebula
wind panther
grizzled apex
wind panther
flint hollow
gusty stream
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Theres always the 'if' part

Remember the Dragonfly Exoxraft 😔

flint hollow
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It's the only thing that makes me think about buying star citizen

earnest nebula
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waiting for this to say "update"

safe quarry
earnest nebula
safe quarry
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blame ^

earnest nebula
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grahh im so excited

grizzled apex
uncut harness
earnest nebula
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i cant wait for the release of worlds part 2 1/2!!

gusty stream
burnt oyster
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so do we get like trailers or dev blogs with updates?

gloomy isle
wind panther
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Dragonfly was never used

earnest nebula
wind panther
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Still in the files

dense quartz
earnest nebula
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like what came in THE bone update?

native carbon
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Skibi

midnight stream
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what is meant by corvettes though

wind panther
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Yeah, I've got steam closed so I can re-open

midnight stream
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any info on that?

wind panther
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When I get the Gunter notification

grizzled apex
earnest nebula
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@sean RELEASE THE UPDATEEE

safe quarry
earnest nebula
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GIVE IT TO ME 🙏

native carbon
burnt oyster
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Is there like a trailer with it?

earnest nebula
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he saw, trust me

burnt oyster
wind panther
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Corvettes will be like small freighters that move with bases

earnest nebula
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it'll release like

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rn

wind panther
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I think it's a test for boats in LNF

burnt oyster
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lol

earnest nebula
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and if it isn't, allow me to be struck by lightning or something

safe quarry
wind panther
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Trailer comes after the drop

burnt oyster
#

ah

steady monolith
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anyone know the time it comes?

burnt oyster
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and dev notes?

midnight stream
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move with bases 😮

earnest nebula
safe quarry
wind panther
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I think 2 hours for trailer, though they seem on top of things today

earnest nebula
steady monolith
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-oooooooh

earnest nebula
wind panther
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Update should hit some console within an hour

safe quarry
gloomy isle
steady monolith
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Yoooo

earnest nebula
wind panther
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I could mod the player character to be tiny, if that would help

earnest nebula
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im gonna be disappointed 😔

gloomy isle
gusty stream
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Nothing on the ticker, time to wait another 30 mins

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And get breakfast

safe quarry
earnest nebula
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no sean's gonna release it like rn

grizzled apex
spiral patrol
earnest nebula
wind panther
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Not then? What about now?

earnest nebula
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i care not what it is, new content is new content

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from one of my favorite games

leaden flax
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Letssssssss gooooooooooooo

safe quarry
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First person hand animations ❤️ i would still be happy with that.

earnest nebula
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i havent even interacted with beacon's content 😭

wind panther
hybrid pendant
wind panther
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I don't know why I thougth that

safe quarry
gusty stream
heavy light
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I only care if there’s ship building, I don’t want to be peepeemcpoopoo for a month

earnest nebula
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@sean meow_pleading

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pretty please sean

safe quarry
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They added player vocalisation, visible hands is step 2

wind panther
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Let the VR players have their head patting and other stuff. They deserve it

gloomy isle
grizzled apex
earnest nebula
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i want corvettes so badly, ive wanted them for years really

wind panther
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I think I misread it once and then just never looked closely after that

earnest nebula
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i need a space rv immediately

spiral patrol
native carbon
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Big fat juicy update

earnest nebula
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i feel like the name "wayfarer" could perhaps support corvettes being added

safe quarry
leaden flax
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Hope its something good

late tusk
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why is everyone saying its gonna be corvettes lol

steady monolith
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Good thing it’ll probably be a big update

earnest nebula
gusty stream
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Im not gonna set expectations

earnest nebula
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so @sean PRETTY PLEASE 😭

wind panther
earnest nebula
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ok fine take your time

grizzled apex
flint hollow
gloomy isle
earnest nebula
gusty stream
gloomy isle
late tusk
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ive learned not to get my expecations up for things i hope is in it

earnest nebula
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i said it before, ill say it again, its new content for one of my favorite games, of course im excited

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this only happens once every few months, so

icy citrus
earnest nebula
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it's a big occasion Gek

wind panther
gusty stream
earnest nebula
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and how do we know?

native carbon