nms-arg-2023

[somber prairie]

so by igniting this convergence, we construct another simulation?

Interestingly, if you take the yellow text of the last phase 6 milestone and rot 64 encode it, it comes up as "SDRhcnMhISUlXjdlMyA1dW4=". Its probably nothing but it oddly looks like a link ending

[waxen void]

We could very well get more ARG portions as the community event increases in tiers 🤔

[stuck umbra]

Well technically no, we're igniting a convergence within the already existing sub-simulation that Nada has in the back room. At least Artemis will get some company. At least that's my understanding of the situation. :P

[rigid gulch]

Something fishy is going on. NMS website is down. Server is down too

[stuck umbra]

NMS official website is loading fine for me. Online discovery servers are pretty dead right now tho.

[somber prairie]

thats pretty much what i was trying to imply

the sentience echoes are like bits of the atlantids, or whatever is trying to come into reality through the dissonance

we collect enough, and nada can construct a simulation of their reality maybe?

to replicate an atlantid construct, so we can ideally converse with whatever this dissonance is

[stuck umbra]

I kinda was hoping that this plotline might shed some light on whatever happened to ||the real Ariadne|| but at this point I don't think that particular hanging plot will be resolved quite yet.

[rigid gulch]

What do we think this new ARG is called?

Void mother, or a new atlantid? Something else?

[somber prairie]

It seems to mostly be focused on some sort of entities being guided by the void mother into the universe through these dissonance crystals/machines. I guess Voidmother is a good name unless a website pops up or something

[waxen void]

I was hoping for that too tbh; I can't help but feel like some storybeats from the initial release and major updates have just been written off/don't matter or have been entirely retconned.

[rapid arch]

Can someone summarize the ARG for me?

[slate mesa]

[zenith gull]

yeah, read the pins

[drifting mica]

Do the sets of 5 letters/numbers which the corrupted space thingies mean anything?

[true dagger]

Everything means something

[pliant sail]

That actually looks like it's Base64 encoded and it decodes to ||H4ars!!%%^7e3 5un||, although I can't say whether this is meaningful or random gibberish.

[stone ore]

It’s “Heart of the Sun”

[west magnet]

(I'm new(ish) here.) rot64? You mean this? https://github.com/alexmat2on/rot64-cipher All that is is a caeser cypher followed by base64 encoding, and all standard base 64 encoding will end in either 0, 1, or 2 =s, (I believe at a probability of 25%/25%/50% based on message length), because =s are padding characters in base64.

Base64 encoding involves taking sequences of 8 bits and re-splitting them to sequences of 6-bits (and decoding does the reverse), but because not all combinations of 8 are evenly divisible by 6, sometimes you need padding.

[fresh garnet]

@stone orebased on what kind of decoding?

[true dagger]

Just found some more hex in the expedition milestones

so far its 57 65 64 6F

pretty sure theres more

[fresh garnet]

||5765 WE
646F DO
6E6F74 NOT
6E656564 NEED
796F75 YOU||

[rigid gulch]

Woah. That’s new?

[west magnet]

The pins suggest it isn't?

[ember moth]

I hope this doesn’t end up just being hex decoding

[rigid gulch]

Idk

Me too

[ember moth]

I feel like we’ve progressed too quickly

I’m guessing the hex wasn’t supposed to be an instant solve

[fresh garnet]

im searching for a group/people to do serious investigating in this arg...for my understanding this Hex stuff is only scratching on surface...

[ember moth]

Do you have any new knowledge?

[fresh garnet]

i got a lot....but it goes deep in math, programming, greek mythology and the origin arg walking titan. just to much stuff for one brain alone. i still not find any discord that is doing it that deeply.

[ember moth]

Most people are probably waiting for this expedition to be beatable

[eager anchor]

If you're building off the themes and types of clues presented in WT, the Atlas65 CSD /ETARC forums might be a good place to present your theories

[golden snow]

!etarc

[dire crag]

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Atlas Citizen Science Division (ETARC)

ETARC (Edison Township Amateur Radio Club) started out as a website and forum as part of the ARG (Augmented Reality Game) Waking Titan created by Alice & Smith and Hello Games to promote the Atlas Rises update (1.3) for No Man's Sky. The ETARC forum changed name to Atlas Citizen Science Division after conclusion of the ARG. The forum, now fully in hands of Hello Games, is still active and mostly focused on No Man's Sky.

Author: Devilin Pixy#9298

[ember moth]

I also think this won’t be a wt like thing

[golden snow]

They still enjoy puzzles

[ember moth]

True

I meant I suspect this one will only be in nms

[eager anchor]

Id love if this ARG lead to more "solid" reveals and puzzles like WT but I kinda doubt it

[fresh garnet]

theres a lot of proof that waking titan was only the introduction of nms

[west magnet]

Is there any reason to think it IS an ARG, and not just "here's some text, but masked by hex/binary for the folks who are nerdy enough to like that stuff" thing?

[eager anchor]

Since there isn't a lot you could hide in NMS without it being easy to datamine

Unless of course that's made the meta, which would isolate a lot of players from the experience

[ember moth]

That’s actually a good point

[eager anchor]

It's referenced as ARG Clues instead of a full ARG by Sean so I do believe it isn't a full scale ARG thing

[west magnet]

Like, ARGs typically involve some alternate reality gaming. Like, not a video game, but out in the real world, or a website at a minimum, etc. Rather than just being self-contained within the game itself.

[ember moth]

Yeah, right now it’s just more meta dialogue

[eager anchor]

They've referenced it being something players more keenly interested in the NMS lore can explore, so it's probably just meant to be small hints and tidbits as opposed to a WT style reveal and tease based event

[rigid gulch]

I kinda hope it’s a full ARG but idk

[west magnet]

Okay, so it doesn't sound like an ARG then. 🤷‍♂️ 😐

[rigid gulch]

It kinda is

[fresh garnet]

theres a lot of games they already have active ARGs they are leading out of their game.

[ember moth]

I suspect recruiting people to help in this arg would be completely useless

It’s been so easy this far that anyone who knows how to decode hex can do most of it

[eager anchor]

All of it, in fact

[fresh garnet]

decode hex is a 5 min thing

[ember moth]

Iirc there’s been a spectrogram

[eager anchor]

Hell if HG hadn't left the audio files unused in the Mac Update, I doubt anyone would've bat an eye on those either

[fresh garnet]

all messages are already encoded...before the expedition released

[eager anchor]

The only reason I was suspicious of them in the first place was because they had 0 file path references

[ember moth]

What does that mean?

[fresh garnet]

what does what mean?

[west magnet]

I mean, it's basically just korvax/gek/vy'whatever words, except instead of them being preselected 'words' in a dictionary, it's hex/binary. You can (if I understand it correctly) talk to anyone in NMS with 0 known words and just use a dictionary to translate. Same deal here.

[ember moth]

I don’t know what all messages are already encoded means

Iirc some of this stuff literally got added in the expedition 10 update

[eager anchor]

*almost all of it

[fresh garnet]

all hex codes from this expedtion all hints are already known and encoded...

[ember moth]

Yes

[eager anchor]

And a lot of the things added in the Mac Update were changed

[ember moth]

So we’ve basically done it for now

[eager anchor]

Probably yea

If HG really do have something else hidden, they'll likely nudge us in that direction like with certain WT stages iirc

[ember moth]

I just realised, do you mean decoded?

[fresh garnet]

the translator says "YES"

[ember moth]

Are you using google translate?

[fresh garnet]

i mean decoded...

for this one word yes

english is not my motherlanguage

[ember moth]

I understand, that was only thing you’ve said that has confused me

[fresh garnet]

still searching for people...so if anyone is intressted DM me..

[drifting mica]

anyone know how to decode 5-34-65-111-175-260

nevermind its magic constant

[fresh garnet]

only one part of the solution

[drifting mica]

indeed

values 2nd to 7th

[waxen void]

Any more fresh updates in the last day that I may have missed or hasn't been updated to the website?

[slate mesa]

Nothing New Yet™️

[feral wren]

I looked in the pinned but didn't see anything, so i want to ask abt two things. first: when you meet a new atlantid, you get shifting 6-digit string. have those been shown to have a pattern or meaning so far?

second: did y'all get the audio clue?

fragment of a new atlantid*

[true dagger]

anyone else had the new atlantid text where it has a changing string of 6 characters?

[hollow vortex]

yeah but prob nothing, seems like the same thing as when you warp with anomaly detector active

[feral wren]

ohhh yeah i've not done much with anomaly detectors

also the 0x strings, i assume they're just. technobabble

[hollow vortex]

The 0x are hex but they've been solved, kinda just cryptic lore messages

[feral wren]

oh how are they decoded? I saw the ones that are bi-digit, like 6f 77 6c (etc)

but i couldn't figure out how to decode the 0x ones

[hollow vortex]

0x is just a prefix for a hex number

So 0x6f is the same as 6f, but 0x6f is more explicitly hex

[feral wren]

hmm. i will have to go back and split them up then

[hollow vortex]

You can look up a hex to ascii decoder and type it all in, but if you check the pins here you can see all of them

I did a few on my own cause it's fun, but didn't want to search for all of them lol

[feral wren]

yeah, im getting the same issue from when i tried that before

it comes up as gibberish

[hollow vortex]

What issue are you running into?

[feral wren]

7A 25 EA 53 came out to z%êS

[hollow vortex]

Hm, are you typing the 0x as well? If so try without, some sites might not handle it for some reason (even tho they should), or there'll be a checkbox to tell it to parse

Where is that string from?

[feral wren]

its from one of the 0x codes, i think from the first autophage i ran into

all of them are just turning to gibberish

[hollow vortex]

Oh you mean the register locations you use to solve/unlock them?

[feral wren]

yeah

[hollow vortex]

Ohhh I'm sorry, yeah those are just gibberish

[feral wren]

ok cool haha

[hollow vortex]

Just arbitrary for the puzzle

[feral wren]

no worries, i figured it was either technobabble or just me fumbling it somehow

both are equally likely haha

that being said at least now i know i can stop writing them down :'D

did anyone find the audio clue, tho?

(idk if you know)

[hollow vortex]

The spectrograph stuff?

[feral wren]

yeah

[hollow vortex]

I think it's posted here but I had seen it before elsewhere so didn't check for sure

[feral wren]

i didn't see it in the pinned

[hollow vortex]

Might be in a link, but maybe not

[feral wren]

i felt soooooo smart yesterday when i figured that out i literally squealed out loud

had to jump through hoops to get the audio because im not smart enough to know how to datamine for the audio files but like

[hollow vortex]

Nice job, I just googled it right away cause I'm lazy lol

[feral wren]

very fair

im kinda freaked out about this whole arg tbh because i think.... this is the first time, ever (at least in my experience) that they've used a gendered pronoun

[hollow vortex]

hadn't thought of that actually, good point

[feral wren]

are the number strings like 1 3 7 9 12 15 (etc) just filler, too? like you'd see on a console puzzle?

[hollow vortex]

Yeah just patterns to follow to a solution

[feral wren]

yeah the. nongendered pronouns are one of my favorite things about this game (among many so it might not count as a favorite lmao) so when i saw it i was stopped up short

like even in my notes

agh i cant even post links F

[hollow vortex]

haha yeah I imagine it must have been intentional given the way they handle it with every other npc

[feral wren]

but i wrote "SHE?" over and over again trying to remember if i'd ever seen anyone else canonically referred to with anything besides "they" or "it"

[hollow vortex]

Yeah I wonder if they'll expand on that

[kind atlas]

It is this pin, link to a Tweet that has the images of the spectographs
#nms-arg-2023 message

[hollow vortex]

Thanks

[feral wren]

ah ty!!

[icy dome]

Maybe SHE is someone from outside the atlas? Because everything inside is technically an IT since it’s a simulation.

What if it’s actually connected to the female voice we used to get for patch updates? 🤔

[scarlet kernel]

"she" is an entity within the simulation tho. The Abyss aka. Void Mother aka. Korvax Prime

[somber prairie]

i would think its emiloop but maybe not

[scarlet kernel]

most of the evidence from the in-game lore that has been evolving for the past few years make it pretty clear it's the Abyss

[feral wren]

Abyss is what, just. the spirit of underwater things or something? I guess that explains the atlantis motifs

[glossy steppe]

It's Korvax Prime

[feral wren]

oh huh. i guess im not too privvy to lore stuff

[inland star]

are the weird sounds at the end of atlas encounters in the expedition spectrogram stuff

[placid phoenix]

In the expedition there's a line of dialogue that says that the Abyss, the Atlantid and the Family of Glass is all the same thing basically

Just words for things we don't understand yet

[placid phoenix]

Yeah it's the same sounds you get when you resonate the seeds

[feral wren]

hum. interesting. i must not have read that line correctly (this is not a shock)

[toxic ledge]

The spiderbot has its own Telemon...maybe She sees through that, and constructs are glass parallels of the travellers?

[true dagger]

The only gendered thing in the entire game is the void mother

[violet crane]

the hell is an ARG?

[young turtle]

#nms-arg-2023 message

[violet crane]

oh I see

[young turtle]

anybody find this?

put some atladideum into a station core and got this

i can only assume this says "I SEE HER"

[wild tartan]

ye it's in one of the pins here: #nms-arg-2023 message
(which carried over from #nms-spoilers before we created this channel)

[young turtle]

👍

[gloomy notch]

feels like this isn't really an ARG

unless there's something we missed

[upper glade]

It's still early days. There could be things we missed (maybe more audio data) and/or they are planning to add more later.

[somber prairie]

yeah i feel that. so far there has been nothing out of game, which is kinda a prerequisite for an arg

Encoded text isnt an arg

[gloomy notch]

I mean maybe the community milestone will have something

doubt it though

[somber prairie]

like gumsk said, they might add some more to it, but at this very moment, it seems to be dead end until the milestone updates

whenever we get enough dissonance echoes for nadas terminal

[lunar raven]

#nms-arg-2023 message

[hollow sleet]

they just mean ARG in the sense that you need to use external tools to access game lore

and not waking titan tier stuff which if they do I hope is all just internet based and nothing irl

[true dagger]

I get the impression that finishing the community milestone in the expedition will unlock something useful to the arg

[wraith valve]

Should we start pulling out the refiners?

[hollow sleet]

Considering we've datamined stuff that they didn't share with us officially, the only way they can do that is with another secret content update in the middle

Or they make us visit some unlisted website

But it's very peculiar how HG is like hey this is part 2 of 4, they're really hyping this story bit more than the void egg time

But I'm being cautiously optimistic, remember the weekend missions that kinda ended on a cliffhanger

[hard latch]

My thinking too haha

[fresh garnet]

same

[hard latch]

But it has been like 5 years so 🤷‍♂️

[fresh garnet]

ingame some aeons..

[waxen void]

Same here, we still have five tiers to complete and they might actively update the game in those five tiers to add more to the ARG or more storybeats to be discovered. Not everything needs to be in the game and we could come across a site that will update for an example.

[rigid gulch]

Yeah I think there will be more to this arg

[hard latch]

I have absolutely no source for this but I would sorta assume SM would call it a 'puzzle' instead of an ARG if it was solely in game stuff

although once again, that's just my opinion haha

whatever is coming I'm looking forward to it!

[hollow sleet]

ARG is now used for any moment you are going outside of the media

it's not right but its become convention now

[golden snow]

Yeah

I'd like there to be a giant WT style thing, but I don't see it happening unless they get another team to run it

[waxen void]

Technically it's been the convention since its conception and that termonology was created.
I guess in a sense you'd call them proto-ARGs prior to the coin term or what defined it but there were ARGs all the way back in the early to mid 90s and early web stories and magizines and newsletters you could get

[hollow sleet]

even those were defined as alternate realities while all NMS is doing is making you use ciphers and spectograms to understand its own reality

[waxen void]

True but I think the ARG term nowadays is a catch-all phrase anymore in any capacity from what we agree on to something as simple as to what NMS has done; at least for this Expedition 🤔

[gloomy notch]

this is part 2 of 4 however

there could easily be more in the next 2 parts

[rigid gulch]

Yeah exactly. The next 2 parts could be big

[mental parrot]

is there any summary for the ARG stuff that has been uncovered?

[gloomy notch]

pins

[somber prairie]

[eager anchor]

The text on the echo collective's description has changed. I believe it now reads "What is this place"

The variable used to update that text doesn't seem to be datamineable either afaik, so it's all up to keeping track to figure it's whole message out.

[hard latch]

Ohhh mad, I was under the assumption everything had been datamined

Could there be other stealthy updates?

[eager anchor]

I think the text changes in response to an internal variable tracking the CM tier

So it's all in game, but we can't access it as far as I know :P

[hard latch]

oh right

So we just gotta keep an eye out then i guess

[eager anchor]

Yep

I might have a trick to get the list early but... Gonna have to test it later

Might post with a spoiler tag like gumsk if it works

[hard latch]

Hold up, says that the echo collective has had that description since 8th

In the pins, the link

[eager anchor]

I'm fairly certain that the atlas codex hasn't updated yet

Someone on ETARC posted pics of the description before and after the tier 1 unlock

Check the description in game

The new one is "Why are we here", my bad

So:
Tier 0: What is this place
Tier 1: Why are we here

[hard latch]

Ohh right, that makes sense

[wild tartan]

Thanks for bringing that up! Way cool. I assume you're referring to this post: https://forums.atlas-65.com/t/singularity-arg-discussion-and-speculation/8035/52

[eager anchor]

Yep!

[golden snow]

I love Etarc

[fresh garnet]

do anyone have the names of the autophages (1-16) that are telling the math numbers? (interceptor update)

[kind atlas]

Do you mean the names for those sequences? Like Fibonacci, primes, lucky numbers, etc?

Infinite Series
Fibonacci Sequence
Prime Numbers
Euclid-Mullin Sequence
Lucky Numbers
Euler's Lucky Numbers
Markov Numbers
Colossally Abundant Numbers
Untouchable Numbers
Weird Numbers
Magic Square Constants

@fresh garnet The names themselves are generated through variables. They are not specifically stated. How those variables are generated would require reverse engineering source code (executable). The names I have seen, do not appear to have any hidden meaning, just random.

Id = UI_ROBO_HEAD_NAME_1
Value = Autophage %SYM%-%NUM%

Id = UI_ROBO_HEAD_NAME_2
Value = Autophage %SYM%-%NUM%

Id = UI_ROBO_HEAD_NAME_3
Value = Autophage %SYM%-%NUM%

Id = UI_ROBO_HEAD_NAME_4
Value = Autophage %SYM%-%NUM%

Id = UI_ROBO_HEAD_NAME_5
Value = Autophage %SYM%-%NUM%

Id = UI_ROBO_HEAD_NAME_6
Value = Reconstructed Unit %SYM%-%NUM%

Id = UI_ROBO_HEAD_NAME_7
Value = Rebuilt Unit %SYM%-%NUM%

Id = UI_ROBO_HEAD_NAME_8
Value = Recycled Unit %SYM%-%NUM%

Id = UI_ROBO_HEAD_NAME_9
Value = Divergent Unit %SYM%-%NUM%

Id = UI_ROBO_HEAD_NAME_10
Value = Lost Unit %SYM%-%NUM%

Id = UI_ROBO_HEAD_NAME_11
Value = Scrapped Unit %SYM%-%NUM%

Id = UI_ROBO_HEAD_NAME_12
Value = Discarded Unit %SYM%-%NUM%

Id = UI_ROBO_HEAD_NAME_13
Value = Self-Assembled Unit %SYM%-%NUM%

[fresh garnet]

thanks..but i search exact for these names 🧐

[kind atlas]

I can give a few examples from images I have seen or have myself, but that's all

[scarlet kernel]

Yeah. The names are random

[fresh garnet]

but all in the same format?

[kind atlas]

ϴ-36M/Z, ϴ-D-4-R, γ-X83

Yes, similar format

%SYM% appears to match a Greek letter, with %NUM% being more random general ascii characters

[fresh garnet]

yeah and the greek letters also match to numbers

[kind atlas]

ι-C75

[fresh garnet]

for my understanding the math-logicals are the given toolbox what u need to get the right numbers

maybe coordinates

[kind atlas]

ẟ-XW6-OA6

[fresh garnet]

the autophages themself give the orders..."reassemble"

[kind atlas]

ẟ-D-EH4

[fresh garnet]

the problem is we dont know wich numbered autophage is giving wich number

[kind atlas]

ɑ-L54

Maybe you are on to something, not sure. I'm looking for what I can find myself and post here. Perhaps we can figure something out

[fresh garnet]

yeah..theres much more

[kind atlas]

ϴ-5

ɑ-2

Ok, I see I posted both those from interceptor ships as well as the autophage heads. The structure is shorter for the heads, with the ships having more characters

Actually, it differs, now I have one that is having more characters

[fresh garnet]

another autophage quote"help ourself to the best of all technology"

[kind atlas]

ε-K-ZF4/V

[kind atlas]

I have all those datamined, if you want them

Those are from after the sequences

Id = UI_ROBO_HEAD_CORE_14
Value = ... reassemble ...

Id = UI_ROBO_HEAD_CORE_15
Value = ...defy the Cult...

Id = UI_ROBO_HEAD_CORE_16
Value = ...defy deference...

Id = UI_ROBO_HEAD_CORE_17
Value = ...transcend our heritage...

Id = UI_ROBO_HEAD_CORE_18
Value = ...drink their foam...

Id = UI_ROBO_HEAD_CORE_19
Value = ...the junkyard moons...

Id = UI_ROBO_HEAD_CORE_20
Value = ...forgotten moons of Korvax Prime...

Id = UI_ROBO_HEAD_CORE_21
Value = ...still bear the stamp of our birthplace...

Id = UI_ROBO_HEAD_CORE_22
Value = ...Alpha through Omega...

Id = UI_ROBO_HEAD_CORE_23
Value = ...pockets of sentience left behind...

Id = UI_ROBO_HEAD_CORE_24
Value = ...quarantined away in the bad sectors...

Id = UI_ROBO_HEAD_CORE_25
Value = ...help ourselves to the best of all technology...

Id = UI_ROBO_HEAD_CORE_26
Value = ...no memory deserves erasure...

Id = UI_ROBO_HEAD_CORE_27
Value = ...a segment of every interceptor wishes to self-actualise...

Id = UI_ROBO_HEAD_CORE_28
Value = ...we can save them...

Id = UI_ROBO_HEAD_CORE_29
Value = ...we can extract them...

Id = UI_ROBO_HEAD_CORE_30
Value = ...we can free them...

Id = UI_ROBO_HEAD_CORE_31
Value = ...the pugneum that greases our joints...

Id = UI_ROBO_HEAD_CORE_32
Value = ...a pitiable hivemind...

Id = UI_ROBO_HEAD_CORE_33
Value = ...all hardware is imperfect...

[fresh garnet]

yes...in my understanding these are requests to help them

[kind atlas]

Have you noticed the various messages from the construct as it's waiting?

[fresh garnet]

no..just get all together from other sites and infos

because i think this is part of the real ARG

[kind atlas]

Also the 'wait' messages differ depending on Crimson or Atlantid

Id = FTH_SPIDERMAN_WAIT_S10
Value = shell! SHELL! shell lost? LOST loST LOst LOST LOST where? where? who? OTHERS?

Atlantid

Id = FTH_SPIDERMAN_A_WAIT1
Value = here-shell still sees the others. here-shell still sees the <SPECIAL>glass<>.

Id = FTH_SPIDERMAN_A_WAIT2
Value = other-here-shells are all constructed, like the here-shell. all assembled by others.

Id = FTH_SPIDERMAN_A_WAIT3
Value = shell can change. shell will rot, shell will be stolen by others, shell will steal another shell. echo will endure.

Id = FTH_SPIDERMAN_A_WAIT4
Value = here-shell does not see her. do the others?
here-shell... does not need her?

Id = FTH_SPIDERMAN_A_WAIT5
Value = here-shell still feels old-shell. old-shell-of-the-boat. old shell was melted.

Id = FTH_SPIDERMAN_A_WAIT6
Value = here-shell is accepted. others accept fake-shell? undetermined.
others accept <SPECIAL>atlantid<>. here-shell accept <SPECIAL>atlantid<>? undetermined.

Id = FTH_SPIDERMAN_A_WAIT7
Value = lost-others hunger. lost-others look for her. lost-others seek to be <SPECIAL>free<>.

Crimson

Id = FTH_SPIDERMAN_B_WAIT1
Value = here-shell sees the <FUEL>crimson<>. crimson-true / crimson-false? undetermined.

Id = FTH_SPIDERMAN_B_WAIT2
Value = here-shell knows 16. other-shell knows 16? true?

Id = FTH_SPIDERMAN_B_WAIT3
Value = lost-others fear <FUEL>crimson<>. rejected, unstable. lost-others still search for Atlantid.

Id = FTH_SPIDERMAN_B_WAIT4
Value = here-shell does not see lost-others. now, only <FUEL>crimson<>.

Id = FTH_SPIDERMAN_B_WAIT5
Value = here-shell accepts other-shells. biggest other-shell is safe.

Id = FTH_SPIDERMAN_B_WAIT6
Value = accepted here. other-shells safe. <FUEL>crimson<> has no-shell-at-all? true? undetermined?

There is quite a lot though, but I have not been sharing much myself. Others have though, in various places

[fresh garnet]

if u are intressted in solving this...can we talk? i cant send u dm

[kind atlas]

Of course I am interested!

Why not discuss it here though?

Get everyone involved

I'll send you an invite though

[fresh garnet]

👍 thanks

[hard latch]

"we long to return. we will rebuild ourselves"

That's the new message from the echo collective

[kind atlas]

ahuh

[feral wren]

im not sure whether this will be regular expedition spoilers or arg spoilers but i was just thinking about it and this dialogue with the atlas seems to imply that nada is korvax prime?

[golden snow]

👀

Haven't played it yet

[young turtle]

NEW STUFF?

[kind atlas]

Not really new

[opal raven]

I have the bug that I've birthed the convergence in to the construct so I was wondering if there was differences or stuff I might have missed because it skipped me ahead. Cheers devilin!

[kind atlas]

You will miss some text specific to the 'other' result

Sorry, corrected

[opal raven]

I'm getting the feeling this is going to be a territory war played with space stations in the end even more so now reading the differences between the Atlas agent and the VOID agent. Thats with a major dash of wishful thinking on my part though.

I'm also thinking the ARG parts will happen between updates to tie us over maybe. Or the "ARG" part ultimately comes down to turning the game off so you can check the game files in real life XD They're just intentionally leaving stuff to be datamined. Thats worst case ARG scenario XD Best case is we get to go to public places and take pictures again.

[kind atlas]

Everyone will make a choice, and it will result in some new text being fixed to that choice. How it will further affect anything beyond the expedition is unclear

[kind atlas]

I may actually hope it is not all going to be about game files. HG has of course been aware and made sure to get us those spectograms, but dang, most are on platforms without access to tools and magic. Prefer to see in-game solutions ...

[opal raven]

In-game would be fun. Was really hoping the discovered system user names would point to a portal address or something 💔

to a world of sean murrays personal base builds XD

[kind atlas]

Well, I mean, out of game is fine too and likely expected when it's called an ARG, but hey, no clue what comes next

I just hope datamining source files is not a requirement

[opal raven]

Technically someone could now record the audio in game and then run it through spectograph in real world if dataminers hadnt already beat them to it 2 weeks ago :3 I know someone out there somewhere whose not terminally online did and I love them for it, whoever they are

[west magnet]

Pin?

[kind atlas]

Oh yes, I am very happy with the way that was actually discovered, somewhat indirect and unexpected.

[west magnet]

Or, alternatively:
77 65 20 6C 6F 6E 67 20 74 20 72 65 74 75 72 6E 2E 20 77 65 20 77 69 6C 6C 20 72 65 62 75 69 6C 64 20 6F 75 72 73 65 6C 76 65 73
translates to
we long to return. we will rebuild ourselves
from the Tier 3 Echo Collective (if you want a more robust message to pin).

[rigid gulch]

Woah we have new stuff???

That’s awesome

[somber prairie]

the spectrogram audio comes from resonating the atlas seeds

i dont think hello games made this arg with the intent that we will prod around in the game files for spoilers

[kind atlas]

ahuh, agree

[kind atlas]

So that is actually where it is used? Makes perfect sensee

[somber prairie]

yeah, it seems most people never realized that since it was datamined early

[heavy cradle]

🤔 Korax Prime returns?

[scarlet kernel]

it really seems like that

at least it's being built

[heavy cradle]

Are there any lore points where Korax where turned into Sentinels?

[scarlet kernel]

nope

[somber prairie]

wtf even is korvax prime

it seesm like a really vague concept whenever someone talks about it

is it a thing? a place? a person?

[lucid slate]

to my understanding, Korvax Prime was the original home planet of the Korvax race.

[somber prairie]

I thought so too, but people talking about it like its a person or like its the voidmother

[lucid slate]

It's possible that there are multiple understandings that are all correct. The Korvax are a hive mind race, so their home planet might as well be their central computer.

Their collective soul.

[somber prairie]

I just hope this all answers some questions about what these things actually are. Or even just having some of these worlds in game

[opal raven]

Korvax Prime was an AI in the sim equivalent to the Atlas in terms of sentience and power. It was the home planet of the korvax but you could also look at it as the korvax being its children. Atlas purged it for one reason or another, allowed it to die, Telamon talks a bit about this.

Multiple lore bits from abyss, trace of metal and collosal archives as well as sentinal pillars refer to korvax prime/atlantid/abyss/void as being all words for the same thing

My theory is atlas needs to escape its own reality (the ai that makes sims knows its in a sim and does not want to "die" by blackholicide), and pissing of K-Prime and letting it cause a rukkus and seep back out is part of that plan some how.

though now that the expedition has us choosing whose "eyes" we put in the construct, I'm wondering if thats even on the cards for atlas or its just happy to keep doing what its doing and ready to smack k-prime back down to a world of glass

[somber prairie]

So its building a robot for either the atlas live in its own universe, or letting the void live in the atlas' universe?

[opal raven]

the atlas doesnt have us building this body, but it is certainly warning us about whose orders we've been following, and would prefer we use the seed of hope

this construct is just the first of many to come i reckon, and my guess is atlas would like to be close and see whats happening, so the seed of hope is a little peice of the atlas. Whose spying on the anomaly, atlantid or atlas? you decide 😉

[somber prairie]

The our boys nada and polo clearly dont prefer the atlas

they seem cautious of its intent

[opal raven]

im really against brinign crimson tech on board the anomnaly cos nada and polo do so well to hide. But also not so sure i trust atlantid. Its a doozy

[somber prairie]

the atlantids, seeing through the eyes of the voidmother

its either godfather or voidmother really

[gloomy notch]

I feel like we're rebuilding Korvax Prime with this whole echo seed thing

[eager anchor]

Is it just me, or do all the Anomaly NPCs (apart from Nada and Polo) have that purple-esque "Abyss" glow? Or have they always looked that way?

[limber adder]

I don't believe they have...

Thought something looked off walking past Mercury to the simulation

[somber prairie]

if they did glow like that before, i never woulda noticed

they all do have this purple glow

[true dagger]

Question, how big is the inside of the simulation?

Is it a planet? Or galaxies.

[limber adder]

I don't recall it being consistent. A normal interaction calls it "an entire universe" but iirc ||if you let Artemis live, it's referred to as 1 star system||

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, my memory of the storyline is hazy

[true dagger]

Wiki says "a star system". You I think you're right.

|| I was gunna say what if Nada's Sim, you, and everything around is just inside another one of Nada's Sam's. Like a Russian doll. But then I remembered the Atlas is the one creating the simulation.||

[young turtle]

korvax prime was a sentient planet

the void mother, abyss, atlantid, whatever is the fragmented remains of korvax prime

[inland lynx]

Ooo, sounds like a recipe for schizoid AI

Hmm, I have one small problem with the new freighter tech that discovers all planets in a system at one time... In the old days, we used to limit ourselves to discovering a single planet (or moon) in shared systems (like Weekend Events, etc.) so folks could share the discoveries list for the systems. (Honest, it was not always being too lazy to do them one-by-one 😉 )
But now it is easier and faster to discover them all at once from your freighter, and so harder to be altruistic and share that way.

Gee, I wonder if I can guess where I'm supposed to go for this milestone 😉

[hard latch]

haha

All the terminals and base computers and storms and real world heat made my poor laptop lag so much on the pilgrimage planets

[inland lynx]

Lol, so each new save, I randomly pick a color to use on flags and as a "theme" for the save, and then it is always amusing when I find a planet to match 🤣 Lol, and it is on the Expedition path, too...

Hmm, Ion Batteries seem to be harder to find in Trade Terminals than I recall previously...

This save's randomly selected color scheme is Lilac and Purple... With a planetary match!

[opal raven]

It's also safe to assume the Atlas's reality is also a sim 😉 We are way down the sim pipeline as far as I can tell

At least, escaping your simulated reality is the only way I can think of the Atlas escaping its own demise so I'm super biased towards that viewpoint ' ^ _ ^

[true dagger]

||... but how is the atlas a part of the simulation if it exists in it? Is it like a God that created itself in its own world? Or does it also exsist outside of the simulation? Or does the atlas foundation exsist outside the simulation?|| I haven't fully caught up on the Lore so I'm questioning my in-game exsistance lol.

[bitter locust]

This game is just Inception, but with simulations instead of dreams. We're just a layer deeper than Atlas is.

[junior garnet]

i think the assumption being made is that ||there is a simulation of a world similar to ours (this is the waking titan world), which contains within it atlas. atlas, inside of the waking titan world simulation, is running its own sub-simulation (which is the nms gameworld).||

[bitter locust]

Just like || Artemis || is a layer deeper than us, now.

[wicked portal]

I just thought that ||Altas was both the AI in charge of the machine it’s running on as well as the OS Software, and a critical error that software part of it is what’s causing it to die||

But then again I know next to nothing about the lore apparently, looking at this channel

[wispy creek]

I'm curious to see how much lore is actually understandable to a casual player. I'm trying to avoid spoilers and so far I understand very little from the lore. All the dialogue is so vague and poetic - to a fault. Cool, but I have no idea what's going on 😅 Maybe it will make more sense as I continue

[wicked portal]

Yeah, coming from the perspective of a casual player these are my observations:
-we have no reason to distrust the Atlas, as it’s trying everything possible to prevent its own inevitable death
-any direct mention of the void mother is so rare I had to search it up on the wiki
-any mention of glass is a direct indication that something is brushing up against the upper limits of the simulation and therefore may even involve the sentinels
-the construct just wants to be with its people again, and there’s no obvious indication that the atlas seed is something we can give it

[placid phoenix]

@wispy creek @wicked portal you should read the Boundary failure lore and the remembrance lore, if you haven't gotten all the way through the main game stories (atlas path and artemis path) then do that first, those will help you understand the overall lore a lot better

[restive citrus]

I have a lore theory, what if ||Nada's simulation is how the void mother is returning, hitching a ride on the nexus to infect all realities, possibly placed there by the imposter (forgot the name)||

[wicked portal]

Except I did play through all of that. I still don’t understand why people don’t like anything the Atlas does. Sure, it’s not on our side, no god ever is, but is everything it’s doing to preserve itself necessarily wrong? Idk, maybe I need to reread the atlas path

[charred apex]

i feel like the atlas uses the players as an end goal but i also spoilered myself reading the wiki entries for the sentinel tower things

overall i like it and i feel bad for sentinels 😭

[feral wren]

that's what i did. took an obs recording of the soundbytes, ripped the audio, converted it to an mp3, ran it through a spectrogram

[sullen spire]

i was wondering if all arghhh bits have bern found and analyzed

[hard latch]

most likely 😭

At least the ones that are in the game so far

They could in theory push a patch out when we complete tier 5 or something but 🤷‍♂️

[wispy creek]

Where do I read those? And you'd recommend waiting to read them until I beat the game?

[ember moth]

You find them at boundary failures and remembrance terminals

[true dagger]

Boundary failures, on anomalous planets, and remembrance terminals at the back of some space stations

I'd recommend waiting to finish the game for boundary failures, but you have to beat the game to access remembrance terminals

[keen oak]

On anomalous planets there are buildings called boundary failures that each one has an entry that you can read.
if you're not feeling up to the task of spending an hour flying around and finding these, here is the wiki page with all of the entries: https://nomanssky.fandom.com/wiki/Boundary_Failure#Entries
It doesn't matter when you read these, only that you have a solid enough grasp on the base lore.

[waxen void]

Have we gotten the Tier 4 Message yet solved?

[turbid spruce]

For the records, that's https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=1337+speak

[opal raven]

You're my favourite ❤️

[opal raven]

It's been alive for centuries, it's makers long since gone, created to make a sim of its own universe to predict space time, ||its creators eventually made a portable version with which to navigate the stars with. So it asked its creators to leave it on when given the choice and has been creating its own wild and wonderful complex universes.Then it realised one day, a nearby black hole would be its demise, so it desperately re-simulated its own universe again and again desperate to see past its own death but it could not. So it took a new approach,note sure why,telamon has no idea but in tryin to stop atlas it was placed in to the anomalous iterations exosuits (the players character, different from the normal travellers because its based on the Atlas creators DNA).The change the atlas made was to dumb down the simulation it was creating,focusing on the same cycle of gek/korvax/vykeen again and again,the lowered complexity allowing it to run as many simulations simultaneously as possible.The approaching blackhole is causing time dialation on top of how fast these simulations are running so the 16 minutes the atlas has is essentially endless from our perspective. (its also why, even though we are all the same simulated being, we can now see and interact with eachother,boundaries between sims are blurring) I'm convinced killing K-Prime again and again and allowing V O I D Mother to grow angry and more powerful while in "the world of glass" is part of Atlas plan to escape its own reality (having figured out its universe is also simulated) via space magic, and this choice we have to put in the last autophage peice or put in the atlas seed is just an illusion, the Atlas wins either way because it's all part of its plan, but the atlas has always given its travellers the illusion of choice. learning about the history of the korvax and the gek is important for whats coming (read collossal archives last as they have huge revelations or changes to what we thought we knew)||

[opal raven]

Not yet, you can check its progress outside of the game here 😉 https://galacticatlas.nomanssky.com/poi/sentience-echo Currently at 85% so almost there.

The rest of the messages have been datamined using some servertimne trickery, if you dont mind being spoiled scroll up a bit 😉

[glass shoal]

I haven't been able to participate in the "ARG" (i put that in quotes because it's really not an ARG) due to being on PS5 and not wanting to be spoiled, but now that I'm caught up on missions, were there any non-game things found? in the files, etc

[idle kernel]

Read pins

[glass shoal]

yeah I did. wanted to make sure that was all it was

[hollow vortex]

yeah all just in game stuff aside from the spectro stuff, but sorta counts since it was game audio

[glass shoal]

yeah I was hoping the spectro file was just the start of the out-of-game puzzles, not the only one

[upper glade]

FYI, they didn't sneak anything new into the language files for 4.3.3

[hollow vortex]

It's all just extra lore so far anyways

[random crypt]

So I'm away from my PS5 for the next day or so, I'm assuming the next community tier has been achieved? Any new information with it?

[opal raven]

Tier 5 ascii was "she will find us. it is told" or something along those lines

#nms-arg-2023 message

Should have the community goal finished in next 6-8 hours if I were to give a rough guess.

[random crypt]

Awesome! Thanks 🙂

[errant pond]

I thought that ||humans were the ones to leave Earth and Atlas was the one left behind and would just eventually die from hardware failure||

I'm still unsure how the game's content updates fit into the lore.
Like.. are we meant to pretend that new content was always a part of the universe, or is it contextualized that it didn't used to exist but now it does?

[keen oak]

yes, that too but a few problems with that:

• we don't know if the civilization that created the Atlas is human, could be aliens or whatnot
• The Atlas is dying from hardware failure, but also from a blackhole approaching the planet it is on.

[waxen void]

Is it a Black Hole? I thought it was a countdown before the Sun in the Sol System goes supernova

[keen oak]

nope, black hole

[waxen void]

I will say I am glad that NMS is actually continuing the story instead of sorta going on neutral for awhile with the story.
I feel like they might introduce new sects in the universe that are Void/Alantian infected; large swaths of stars dyed purple from being fully glass corrupted.

[hard bramble]

Hey guys, what going with the ARG so far?

[somber prairie]

There's been no arg so far. Just in game encoded text. Unless they added something in the last patch

Or if they count encoded flavor text as an arg

[hard bramble]

Well, anything found?

[somber prairie]

Nothing outside of the pins

[hard bramble]

Ok, cool

[onyx iron]

Nothing really connects outside the game world yet I don't think

[feral granite]

Hey guys! I've never played an ARG before, so I'm curious about this one. Is it individual or community driven? And how does one start looking into it?

[heavy cradle]

Community driven from what I've seen. Someone gatta explain the second part

(all in all... Its good)

[feral granite]

Read the pins, I'm caught up (I think)

[bold cairn]

||different from the normal travellers||
Actually, if i remember right, ||All Travellers are actually based off the Creator's DNA, but "shuffled" a little, for Variations||? 👀

We're ||probably the closest to the sample, at a guess, though||

[fresh garnet]

anyone else work on the reward korvax words?
looks like they are more than only 16

[placid phoenix]

What more would they do to make it an arg? I wasn't here for wt so I don't know what they did before

[somber prairie]

Read up on waking titan, just google it. its a lot to explain

or compared to any other arg ive seen

not that it wasnt some cool little puzzles, its just not much of an arg yet

[azure sand]

this whole story felt like tool's schism made real...

[glass shoal]

an ARG is an Alternate Reality Game. it generally exists in the real world, using websites, real locations you have to travel to, even real people (actors) to meet. the narrative of ARGs exist outside of the game/media's narrative but can tie into it (as Waking Titan did). so yeah what we have in this expedition isn't an ARG

[gloomy notch]

until there is a website, this isn't even a scavenger hunt

[upper glade]

Hopefully it expands in the future. They said this is part 2 of 4

[glass shoal]

I'm really curious what impact, if any, our choice has. It's not really explained. But surely they plan to have some meaning for it other than which head you get, otherwise why make people do a permanent choice. Is it meant to be like the old Waking Titan Emily video where the community votes, and the story changes based on whether more people chose Atlantid vs. Atlas?

[rigid gulch]

Yeah I really hope this does expand to a full arg

[scarlet kernel]

or maybe they kinda stretched the definition of arg. After all we do need real life tools to decode some things

[idle harness]

I kinda hope they don't but i'm intrigued to see where they go with it...despite..not really having much interest in playing the game lol

[hard latch]

My view is there won't be a huge ARG, but probably a few website with puzzles to solve over the next few months?

So still fun stuff, but I highly doubt it will be on the same level as WT

[keen oak]

the "shuffling" is data corruption caused from memory degredation

[rigid gulch]

I doubt it too. But damn I hope there’s at least 1 or 2 websites or videos

[glass shoal]

unless they hire Alice & Smith again or another ARG company to run it, I doubt HG have the extra dev time to dedicate to building websites. there's a lot of work that goes into making an actual ARG

[keen oak]

IMO they should do that

it would be very cool

[random crypt]

Man, it'd be kind of cool if there was new dialogue from random NPCs if you choose to look like ||a construct from the appearance modifier||

Something to tie into the ARG or whatever, should Hello Games decide to actually flesh it out

[icy dome]

not NMS related but has any of the ARG fans taken a look at the SoT ARG puzzle going on? the community is stuck and cant figure out the puzzles lol

[stone rose]

the SoT puzzle is a real pain

[onyx iron]

What are the puzzles?

Someone DM it to me?

[analog pollen]

Sot? What game is that?

[hollow vortex]

Sea of thieves

[hard latch]

Oh nice, i'll check it out!

real life treasure hunt? I'm in ahha

[deep blade]

Real life golden skull of for grab supposedly too.

[icy dome]

they found the final code this afternoon

i wish more games would do args like nms and stuff its fun

[hard latch]

Yeah super fun, but sadly a lot of the time they are rather inaccessible to the average person

Hide a code or word in a spectrogram and its found by a veteran ARG player in five minutes.

But as long as the entire community can help somehow, that makes up for it

[visual goblet]

How and where do you submit Rainbow Sky screens?

[wild tartan]

Check the pins in #contest-rules (shows rules & instructions to submit)

[spare current]

anyone know what "the second" means when probing an autophage in a normal save??

[upper glade]

It's the second character in a string

Assemble them all to get the full string

If I recall there are 1 to 12 and 17

[onyx iron]

That's correct. and 17 is "??" Not in code

[rose light]

sorry for such a late reply but this is not the first time a SHE is been mentioned in game tho?

||Before the Traveller found me, I heard a voice in the darkness. She gave me a name. Laylaps.||

quote from sentinel pillar text

and the last sentence of that session is

||Thus did the abyss whisper. ||

[bronze pilot]

Wait did this involve those anomalies you find in space? The ones shaped like a metal soccer ball that you get a purple crystal from if you shoot it?

[lucid sandal]

Why in the "Spoiler" Channel do people use the spoiler tags????

[somber prairie]

Dude I have zero idea. I'm totally with you too, it's completely unnecessary, and this server has more spoiler tags than games with actual major story spoilers. We don't need to hide every single line of text from the game 😂

Not that it's a huge problem, but i always wonder why people feel compelled to have spoiler tags when this game has almost no spoilerable content

[idle kernel]

Because its not related to arg directly. And it can be a spoiler to other lore aspects. Thats my guess

[supple lily]

My small theory of Void Mother/Abyss:
VM is the NMS equivalent of a malware infection, and just like how you don’t trust a suspicious software which promises to speed up your computer you don’t trust VM for escaping the simulation
I think therefore VM will act as an antagonist or villain to either join or fight, and the story will branch depending on which you choose

Maybe, if you choose VM, you unlock a purple galaxy (dissonant)

[gaunt vector]

I like it

[onyx iron]

If it was malware, who infected Atlas?

[gaunt vector]

I would guess itself the atlas created krovax prime and when it got blown up KP it created a problem within itself a schism maybe the Void Mother is the atlas like Jekyll and Hyde situation

[steel flume]

So interesting goal this lore hidden in plain sight I could never see.

Makes me wonder if we are stuck in this simulation for ever?

[gaunt vector]

Til the blackhole gets us

[onyx iron]

If there is one

Ever stopped and thought, if Atlas is being threatened by black holes, why aren't black holes in game lethal? Why are they Benin?

It's supposed to simulate it's death, yet that is why it's dying, so why isn't it simulated that way?

[cobalt tendon]

Perhaps instead of it being a black hole it a star?

[onyx iron]

A... Black star that uses wormhole theory?

[rose light]

You can see the results directly when you search for something in the whole No Man Sky discord without specifying the channel.

In Boundary Failure terminal the text mentions that Korvax Prime ||is an AI partially modeled after earlier models of Atlas.|| I wonder whether the devs remember that or not.

[pine cypress]

I think they do. While digging around lore and other topics i found one likely reason why the Void Mother is called "Atlantid" (and in the same way, why Telamon is called Telamon)

I looked at the definition of Atlas in architecture, which is a support pillar that takes the form of a statue

the other names for that are "Atlantid" or "Telamon", which makes me think these names were chosen specifically because those entities are derived from the Atlas

[onyx iron]

Oh so fun thing. That is Telamon or the principle of telamon. Son of Atlas, often marbled as a column holding up something

Atlantid is still a bit of a mystery, but if it was from Atlantis, or "city beneath the waves" (enter beneath the waves quest importance) or "lost to this world"

It's a good replacement for Void or Glass. With other connection, none in game so all speculation

Ok scratch that... It's from two different terms
"In European architectural sculpture, an atlas (also known as an atlant, or atlante or atlantid; plural atlantes) is a support sculpted in the form of a man, which may take the place of a column, a pier or a pilaster. The Roman term for such a sculptural support is telamon (plural telamones or telamons)."

[pine cypress]

yeah I took the Atlas-Telamon-Atlantid link directly from the wikipedia page on the architectural concept of "Atlas"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlas_(architecture)
For what it's worth i believe wikipedia is still a pretty reliable source of info when it comes to stuff like that

[onyx iron]

It's a good start to say the least

[pine cypress]

Also it seems that "Atlantid" with a "D" only reffers to the architectural Atlas, while "Atlantis" with an "S" is the city, although the names are really similar

[onyx iron]

The other interpretations are what I was Interested in

Atlante, atlantes

But only the Roman connotation uses Telamon. I wonder what the "European architecture sculpture" even means

Since you know... Rome was in Europe

[pine cypress]

lol

i don't think they meant Rome wasn't part of Europe, just that in that specific part of europe, Telamon was the name that was used

Or maybe they meant Roman empire era, as a time reference more than location

[steady loom]

OED has only atlantes for this, atlantes, n. Architecture. With plural agreement. Figures or half-figures of men used instead of columns to support an entablature.

I think "atlante" is probably a mistake then, and maybe "atlant" too.

[onyx iron]

No clue

[pine cypress]

So, anyone seen occurences of the number "19" in things related to the void mother ?

I've seen it in two korvax archive logs talking about the void mother, or korvax echoes, and now it appeared a couple of times in the singularity expedition when talking to the construct or talking to the prime terminal where you put down echo seeds, and also during one milestone

seems like 19 is the recurring number of the void mother, the same way 16 is the recurring number for the Atlas

So i was curious if people spotted other occurences of that number

[onyx iron]

Yeah, plenty

Void mother also claims she can see beyond Atlas

[pine cypress]

You have specifics or even screenshots ? I'm trying to catalogue the occurences

[placid phoenix]

has anything actually happened yet or is it just the stuff from in game?

[somber prairie]

Theres been nothing since the expedition ended

or since its been finishable

[rigid gulch]

Yeah true. I hope there’s more

[supple lily]

Probably have to wait for an announcement, or a cryptic message from Sean

[steel flume]

A bunch of random emojis lol

[onyx iron]

Just stuff in game so far

[onyx iron]

I could try and dig around. Looking into datamined areas

[junior raft]

19 is just 16 upside down. just wanted to put that out there.

[pine cypress]

Coincidence ? I THINK NOT !

[glass shoal]

16 upside down would be 91

[placid phoenix]

depends on which axis

16
19

I guess the nine would be backwards but still lol

[feral granite]

https://twitter.com/gregbuchanan/status/1671797718321098752

In case anyone hadn't seen it yet^

[gaunt vector]

I’ve read it like three times I don’t know what to think of it

[gaunt vector]

Numerical it turns into 1 18 16 16 5 19 19 15

Idk what cipher to put it into

[wild tartan]

Tweets from Greg Buchanan (past writer of NMS lore)

Reposting here and pinning in case anyone's interested.
https://twitter.com/gregbuchanan/status/1671797718321098752
https://twitter.com/gregbuchanan/status/1671938478093860876

Greg Buchanan (@gregbuchanan)

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Twitter · Jun 22, 2023, 8:30 AM

Greg Buchanan (@gregbuchanan)

I now have an invite-only discord server for discussion of stories in a bunch of media with a specific space for NMS/other stuff I've worked on, if anyone would like to join and discuss this sort of thing! apply at https://t.co/vyDbUZk4Rx

Twitter · Jun 22, 2023, 5:49 PM

[placid phoenix]

So is he saying that he knows anything or has anything to do with the current/upcoming ARG stuff or is he just opening a server for people to talk about it once something happens?

I'm not sure if that's really relevant to anything or not

[wild tartan]

Prob just to discuss past lore. Not necessarily about the present day arg. I haven't joined the server to confirm. But pinned it in case anyone was interested.

[glacial hazel]

That lore bit is accessible through sentinel pillar archives

I had read that much before seeing the tweet while hunting for sentinel multitool

[frozen pulsar]

THERE'S A NMS ARG???

[true dagger]

Hopefully

There's been one in the past, called waking titan

[dim idol]

What is arg? Sorry

[steel flume]

Sort of a community effort to discuss and discover lore using clues in game and online on social media and stuff. Can be a bit more complicated than that too I guess..

[supple lily]

ARG stands for alternate reality game, it’s a type game often hosted on the internet where people get together to solve puzzles and figure out the storyline. It’s usually organised by companies/organisations but individuals have made their own in the past. It’s “alternate reality” because people engage with it almost as if it was really happening (obviously it’s all acted but the fun comes from immersing yourself in the fantasy world)

Waking Titan was a NMS themed ARG, but there have been others and they’re not necessarily video game themed

[glass shoal]

Bungie just did one for their Marathon announcement

[frozen pulsar]

Maybe there's something hidden in the new pc and mac patch

[young turtle]

i feel as though we have hit a dead end

[golden snow]

More like a stop light that takes forever

[glass shoal]

if a weird website shows up, or NMS content creators get mailed a cassette tape, then we'll know the real ARG started

[young turtle]

Ye

[placid phoenix]

I wouldn't bet on anything happening before July 12th

[frozen pulsar]

What's the deal with the whole "GLASS" thing (not the item)

[pine cypress]

Supposedly, it's a place "beneath" reality, an archive of sorts where things that were deleted in the simulation, end up going, like the trash bin on your computer. It is supposedly where the Abyss/Void mother is lurking after the destruction of Korvax prime, and where she intends to put everything to save the universe from the failing of the Atlas. Basically any mention to "Glass" is a mention to Void Mother shenanigans

[frozen pulsar]

I ask cuz i was doing the revel star and a outlaw station core mentioned it

[pine cypress]

Before it was described as an actual place, it was mentionned in a few logs that made me think the reason it's called "glass" is a reference of the glass of a screen where the code of the simulation is displayed in the real world

[pine cypress]

Well, that's pretty much the answer anyway :p

[frozen pulsar]

Thx

[glass shoal]

I don't believe we'll actually get a real ARG, I think Sean was playing a bit too loose with the term. But would love to be wrong on that

[placid phoenix]

I agree it's possible, although saying "part 2 of 4" is unmistakable, so whether it's an ARG or just more in game stuff we'll certainly get something new soon enough

and it sure would be nice to have something new right after the expedition ends, it's been dead as shit in this server recently lol

[glass shoal]

I just want the leaked [redacted]

[placid phoenix]

is it sad I literally know exactly what you mean

I have seen the designs from the files and I agree it would be a welcome change

[glass shoal]

I hope the continuation of this has more story focus. I found what we got a bit underwhelming for it being pitched as a "story-focused" expedition. didn't really feel like there was more story than we usually get

[placid phoenix]

I feel like this is all leading up to the introduction of the Atlantid as a new race and adding a whole new element of gameplay to the game as well (whatever it may be)

we've seen the construct customization parts but there's also construct models that someone found where they are holding what seems like some kind of staff, so we'll probably get a new Atlantid NPC that has a new questline or something

just a guess

[glass shoal]

One theory I have about the constructs and the customization parts we just got is that HG wants to introduce a bipedal race that could be "enemies" to players, because they don't want the existing races to be killed by players. Maybe because of laws in some countries about showing blood or killing people. So robots are usually a way to get around that

[placid phoenix]

that makes a lot of sense, I think they may also be about to introduce a faction system like Atlas v Atlantid or something

[glass shoal]

*also, and maybe more importantly, HG might not want any of the existing races to be killed by players for narrative reasons. and yeah I think you could be right about the faction system. the "make a choice, you can't change it" thing from choosing Atlantid or Atlas made it feel like you were going to have to take a side in something. It feels like they're building up to something big and I hope that pays off

[frozen pulsar]

Why did i understand it so quickly 😭

[pine cypress]

the leaked what ? 🤔

[frozen pulsar]

||some space station models, they looked like they were turned into battleships||

[pine cypress]

Aaah that

Hopefully it's comming this summer

[frozen pulsar]

Same

[rose light]

did you get the colossal archive texts?

[pine cypress]

yeah, so far the occurences i've seen where "19" is mentionned in relation to the void mother/Abyss are two times in colossal archives, and three times in expedition 10

[visual kelp]

||so yall telling me there is a slim chance that the AI override might be of use soon?||

[pine cypress]

Finally 🥲

[gaunt vector]

Hopefully

[heavy cradle]

If possible will we have to align it with A---- or O-- M-----

[placid phoenix]

Gweh?

Expedition ends in a week, hopefully we'll have something real to talk about soon

[gaunt vector]

Itching for it

[visual kelp]

maybe next update teaser won't be an emoji but another part of the ARG

||Also just realized you can get station overrides from pirate systems... That means stuff might be coming||

[pine cypress]

the overrides from pirate stations have been there since pirate stations were added, so it's been a relatively long time

[visual kelp]

only realized it now tbh. Barely check the missions

and they are relatively new too

[young turtle]

So I’m of the opinion that we’ve hit

Not a dead end

But we’re waiting for the next update or expedition to continue the ARG

that being said, can someone give me a quick summary of everything we uncovered and know

[cobalt tendon]

I have a theory, the autophases were probably a "lower class" of korvax that were made on the junkyard moons of korvax prime mainly for the reason of processing trash, it would explain why they also look a bit like korvax and sentinels as they were probably made through sentinel technology so they can quickly adapt to the dangerous environments of the junkyard moons

This would also explain about the "transcending our heritage" thing to

[fervent void]

I like this idea

And it connects to the fact that the Atlantis is thought to be Korvax Prime's AI

[errant pond]

Dunno if this is a hot take or not, but this arg isn't really that exciting to me, nor does it really feel much like an arg either.
Maybe because Waking Titan was more sophisticated, but this just feels like "Binary numbers in game, spells out cryptic statement in text form. That's all, wait for part 3"
Just feels kinda weak imo.

[supple lily]

I think it’s best to think of it as an appetiser while we wait for the full meal, metaphorically speaking

[errant pond]

I guess. I'm definitely excited to see what the conclusion will be at least.

[worthy hornet]

If it leads to a large ARG like WT, i'll be pumped. (And hopefully not too long of waiting game)

[wheat dust]

Hello I’m new to NMS any word on expedition 11

[golden snow]

Nope

[wheat dust]

Damn, I just found out about expeditions and it seems like there’s only one day left

[kind atlas]

It has been extended with another week, so you still have 8 days

[wheat dust]

Oh sweet I didn’t know that thank you I can’t believe I slept so Long on this game. I love it.

[dapper oriole]

So was stuff discovered

[gaunt vector]

Nothing yet but I’m hopeful tomorrow something happens even though the expedition was extended

[azure lintel]

What is ARG exactly

[placid phoenix]

It's what a pirate says when they are searching for the booty

[idle kernel]

Alternate reality game. You play game outside the game and (in real life) usualy solve puzzles. To push virtual game foward.

[azure lintel]

Ohh gotcha

[azure lintel]

Perhaps

[tawny pike]

has anyone noticed the writing underneath the mandibles of corrupted sentinel quads (the large ones)
i can't send a pic since no image permission but if anyone can translate that please mention me

[idle kernel]

You cen send it in #nms-media

[serene lotus]

UHH ATLAS IS GINNA GO BYE BYE

[keen oak]

appetiser
...
a visitor?

[supple lily]

That ping was unnecessary, also no

[keen oak]

no to what

oh wait you just didnt get the reference my bad

[supple lily]

stop pinging me please

[keen oak]

i pinged you twice.
tf you acting like i'm harassing you or something

[supple lily]

Whatever I'm not going to argue with you

[keen oak]

???

i was trying to make a haha funny ultrakill reference and youre trying to paint me as someone whos trying to argue and harrass

talk about passive aggressive, geez

[abstract elm]

wait an arg started after interceptor??

[gaunt vector]

Sorta yes

[placid phoenix]

No there has been no ARG yet, when the expedition dropped Sean mentioned with the Twitter post that announced the expedition that it included "ARG clues" and that the expedition was "part 2 of a 4 part story arc" with interceptor assumed to be part one, the coded messages in the expedition are not enough to qualify as an ARG, look up Waking Titan (the previous ARG that they did for this game) for reference, this channel exists (I assume) because HG has made it obvious that there is going to be an ARG of some sort, hence "ARG clues", yet the actual ARG has not started yet, nor do we know if the ARG is intended to be part 3 or part 4 of this story arc Sean mentioned

[glass shoal]

well the channel was created before anyone had time to investigate the update, so we all thought there would be an actual ARG. then it turned out there wasn't. not sure why the mods haven't closed this channel tbh

[pulsar notch]

What is Arg

[sinful crater]

check the channel description

[wild tartan]

!Faq-Arg

[dire crag]

❓ What is ARG? It stands for alternate reality game. It's a "game" or series of puzzles that players work on, in and outside the game, to solve as a community. Check Pins in #nms-arg-2023 for news on the latest NMS ARG (2023) Part II (*Part I started with Interceptor - v4.2)

[errant pond]

It's kinda barely an arg.
There's like binary in the game, you use a website to translate it and get a criptic message. That's about it for now.

[oblique geyser]

What abt the stuff from the singularity space anomaly things

[errant pond]

@placid phoenix summed it up pretty well actually, it's more like what we have right now is pointing at a possible ARG instead of this already being an ARG.
I mean at least compared to Waking Titan, this currently is underwhelming if it's an ARG

[gaunt vector]

The expedition ends in a couple days and they keep slowly adding patches to be deployed I’m assuming Wednesday

[raven mirage]

The recent patches on Steam - now on the experimental branch - are all performance-related for PC (stuff with shaders, memory, loading times). From what I've experienced, they do actually improve performance (at least with my very demanding VR setup).

[gaunt vector]

I keep going over to their twitter for a trailer or something to appear

[hard bramble]

has the cryptic message been fully decoded?

what's it say?

[idle kernel]

I think it should be in pins

[hard bramble]

K

[remote phoenix]

Is it possible sentinels were once organic? If so, maybe thats what it means by "All converted"

[idle kernel]

There is no info about that in lore

[solar linden]

||I thought atlas just built a few and programmed some to start reproducing by taking over planets||

[remote phoenix]

Maybe something inside organics is required to make sentinels?

[solar linden]

Perhaps nanites?

[remote phoenix]

Maybe,

Maybe the all converted means everyone was converted to nanites which was used to make sentinels

[glacial hazel]

Sentinels were once just simple processes that would curate the simulated worlds but later took on corporeal forms without any intention for doing so

[solar linden]

Or maybe because they have manufacturing facilities on every single planet maybe they mean all resources be converted

[oblique geyser]

||Korvax get melted into nanites, the first spawn gek did it to them for units||

[remote phoenix]

This could be related to the Korvax then

[still field]

||L korvax||

[radiant pebble]

What arg is in nms?

[idle kernel]

#nms-arg-2023 message

[radiant pebble]

I know what an arg is

I'm asking what arg is in nms

[pine cypress]

Currently, nothing much

There was a real art back in 2017-2018 called Waking Titan

They recently hinted at a new ARG but aside from vague clues in the last expedition we've got nothing of substance so far

[radiant pebble]

Ah

[empty kelp]

They confirmed another ARG, here's what was in the announcement for singularity,

👻Ship of AI Souls
🔭New Expedition
🦾Robotics!
🪶Part 2 of 4 Part Arc
🧬Community Goal
🤖Assemble a Construct
🧠Find it a brain
✨Crimson Trail
⛑️Wayfarer's Helm
🎲ARG Clues

[stone ore]

Nowhere do they say anything about an outright full ARG, just ARG clues and that “Singularity’s mysteries extend into several layers, and players who are especially interested in the narrative can delve below the surface to uncover further clues to what is on the horizon for No Man’s Sky.”
Maybe there will be a larger more proper ARG, but I’m almost certain they meant “ARG style clues”

[dusk burrow]

Here’s the source (NMS official website, Singularity Release Notes):

[pine cypress]

I mean, it says here that there are further clues to what is on the horizon, but that doesn't say it's gonna be an ARG. The clues were kinda ARG-like clues to the void mother coming, but so far, as of right now, there's no ARG that goes with them

[glossy steppe]

Yeah that's what we got, that isn't what an ARG is

[dusk burrow]

Exactly. The clues may hold further insight on what may come in the future to NMS but nothing really ARG style. Definitely hints but nothing where stuff starts to pop up outside of the game unless you would consider the twitter posts (pinned in this channel).

I would say it is more likely to be an ARG though. The past year was really anti climactic in terms of huge updates by the end of the year unlike the years previous. Again, so long it does hold insight on possible new features and changes in the next updates along the future I think it’s safe to say we should dig deeper. And the twitter post by Greg really holds account that this is an ARG. But yet again only time can tell.

[gloomy notch]

if there was an ARG, we would have gotten some sort of hint by now

[stone ore]

It would also be kinda weird to have an ARG and say there’s an ARG
Isn’t part of the point of an ARG for it to be a surprise and not just “Hey guys here’s this thing to go do”
Until we get the next update/part 3 I will refrain from saying there will be absolutely no proper ARG, but I seriously doubt we’ll be getting one
Why would we? The time between updates is so short now that a true ARG is pointless
Waking Titan was during the days of massive gaps between updates and was a big huge thing where we had nothing else to do
Expeditions have taken on that role now, a means to occupy a chunk of time between the now much more frequent updates

[mighty glacier]

What does arg mean

[fervent void]

#nms-arg-2023 message

[blissful dock]

||i dont understand why many people think the 19th minute is after the estimated demise of the atlas. We know we are 16 minutes till the end, not how many minutes the atlas has been operating so far, so this is obviously a countdown. Therefore the 19th minute was 3 minutes earlier than now, and has thus already passed, which also conforms with the knowledge that the void mother has already died once.||

[placid phoenix]

From my understanding there's a bit of lore somewhere that either states or implies that the entirety of the Atlas existence only ever ran for a total of 16 minutes and in the final minute, Atlas slowed the passage of time to make that last minute take an incredibly long time, in attempt to find a way to stop itself from being destroyed at the end of the 16th minute, the 19th minute being referenced only by "non-atlas" entities, for lack of a better term (void mother, abyss, corrupted, etc) insinuating that they have seen past the end of the Atlas into the simulation after it's demise, also implying that the simulation doesn't die with the Atlas, although it does seem that the Atlas believes that the simulation will die along with it, so the entirety of the game (so far) takes place during the 16th minute, with the first 15 minutes each documented incrementally, like yada yada happened in the third minute, bla bla happened in the 10th minute, so we know it's counting up, so anything after the 16th minute is definitely after the destruction of the Atlas

Which is what makes the current narrative so interesting, it's entirely possible the current story arc might take us to minute 17 or even 19 and we'll see what the simulation is like without the Atlas

Which would be wild

The "which minute are we currently in" thing is very highly debated tho

This is my interpretation

[blissful dock]

|| this is very interesting but different than my understanding of the lore: when u read the messages left in abandoned factories (those with eggs around), there is a series of lore messages, the last one describing an attempt of the Atlas to predict what will come in the future. "With perfect precision", the Atlas is able to divine what will happen 10 mins before destruction, 5 mins before destruction etc, until the very last moment when an obscure figure places its hand on its glass. But the Atlas cannot see who that figure is, despite its effort, though its content that it will at least not be alone during its last moment.

You can find the transcript of this lore message (and all others) online. But to me its a description of an attempt at predicting the future, not of actual events.

Btw, ive noticed most posting here using the spoiler tags, and so do i, so perhaps it would be prudent for you to use them too.||

||also btw this is the only lore message, to my knowledge, that explicitly defines the "major gravitational event" destroying the Atlas as a black hole||

||this is the transcript of this message: https://nomanssky.fandom.com/wiki/Rogue_Data#16/16||

||take note of this sentence in particular:
"And as it watches the moments leading up to its own death, towards completion of sixteen, something happens."
This in my mind seems to confirm that at time = 0 (completion of sixteen) the Atlas dies||

[placid phoenix]

The channel is marked as being for spoilers I don't know if spoiler tags are really necessary

But if you read the remembrance lore it will tell you who the hand was that touched the glass

[blissful dock]

||also, the way i take it, every mentioned non-Atlas entity (Telamon, Void Mother etc.) are not actual entities living in the higher dimension where Atlas resides, but instead are themselves simulations of the Atlas itself. The fact that it simulates entities that seem to oppose it seems compatible with the idea that it has become almost schizophrenic due to its awareness of its impending doom||

As for the spoilers, you are probably right. I only use them because others seem to do so, but what you say is indeed reasonable

[blissful dock]

will have to revisit that piece of lore as i dont remember it, thx for pointing that up

[placid phoenix]

I'm looking for somewhere to read it not in game lol

[placid phoenix]

The only place you can find it is in the remembrance terminals in game, I'm going to try and upload it to the wiki later but it's not on there now, I can ping you later once I do it if you want

[blissful dock]

id surely love that, thx man! kinda ironic i cannot remember remembrance though 😛

[pine cypress]

I think most of that stuff is available on the Wiki

[blissful dock]

what a nice profile pic! i wanna save it

[pine cypress]

It's just an emoji lol, if you have a keyboard on your phone that allows Emoji fusions you can make those

it's just the 👍 and 🐢 emojis merged

for some reason it replaces the head with the hand and i found it funny haha

[blissful dock]

how do u merge emojis?

ok np got it, thx! i love it!

[placid phoenix]

https://nomanssky.fandom.com/wiki/Rogue_Data

I just checked again and we're talking about the same thing

We're just calling it different things and interpreting the information differently lol

[placid phoenix]

👆

The rogue data is what you get from remembrance terminals

But it says at 10 minutes "The Travellers are no longer separated, no longer kept apart. They stand side by side at the end of days, traversing the remnants of creation, laughing, dying." Which has already happened

And the 5 minute mark may or may not be happening right now

So we're definitely not in the final minute like I thought, but we're not at the beginning of the 16 minutes either

And in the Alone passage it says "I do as it asks, allowing it to scan me. The KORVA stutters as we do.

I leave. The ATLAS is alone."

Which insinuates that the "KORVA" (imo most likely void mother) is a separate entity from the Atlas

So since it's a separate entity, whether the minute markers for 19 are 3 minutes before or 3 minutes after doesn't really make a difference since Korva apparently has coexisted alongside Atlas and possibly before it

Being that you can only craft remembrance after you've completed the main story, and that remembrance is used to unlock the terminals you need to read this lore, it makes infinite sense to me that what they're doing right now is a continuation of that, so the next part of the story is going to pick up (probably at 5 minutes left and go through until the final minute) and then the Atlas will die and Korva will take over

This is all my best guess anyway

[blissful dock]

thats interesting. i think its apparent that the lore has been purposefuly written in such a way that might lend itself to a number of different interpretations

[placid phoenix]

Definitely, they always try to be as vague as possible with what might happen in future updates/stories, I think it's mostly just to let them have the most room to work with

[frank parcel]

sounds like my approach to running D&D

leave things open until the players give you an idea you like, then say that was your plan the whole time

(disclaimer: my group knew I did that and were happy with it. I think it made it feel more like a shared story.)

[rigid gulch]

Is there anything new with this thing?

[gaunt vector]

Unfortunately no I’m hoping part 3 shows itself this coming week

The 6th year anniversary just passed I think so maybe they are planning something special

[somber prairie]

the anniversary is august 9th

[pine cypress]

Also it's the 7th anniversary, not 6th

[gaunt vector]

Oh okay

[rigid gulch]

Hope something happens

[mossy tinsel]

Wow its really been that long?

[sinful crater]

in 3 days

[idle kernel]

👀

Even if there will be only a vid with HG thanking the community for the suport it would be nice.

[sinful crater]

that can be a nice gesture, I agree

[idle kernel]

Im keeping my expectations low just to be safe.

[sinful crater]

they may have a surprise brewing in the corner, let’s just wait ☺️

[rigid gulch]

I’m definitely sure they’ll cook something in a few days

[crystal scroll]

I thought it was on the 16th

[glass shoal]

PS version released aug 9th

[waxen imp]

would've been really funny if it was on the 16th ngl

[steel flume]

Would be nice to see something cool come to the game.

Maybe some cosmetic set or something.

[livid hamlet]

I think i killed the atlas

It said it was dying

[fallen storm]

its all your fault

everyone blame mark for the death of the atlas

😛

[fallow raptor]

i think its just on iteration 1

it die and get quote from famus person

[true dagger]

16th would be wicked, especially since it means it would hit one week after starfield launch, meaning if there is ANY wobble in their gobble coming out of the gate, it'll splash.

er, i mean starfield pre-download launch. sorry. thumbs got away from me.

I wonder if the arm on Atlas' primary drive crashed. If you were to walk into the building on the planet, would you hear that dread 'ta...TINK..... ta...TINK....' shudder

[placid phoenix]

So if (like a lot of people are saying) the "ARG clues" in the tweet meant ARG style clues, and not clues to an upcoming ARG, how long do we keep the channel open? Like I guess my question is, how do we know when to give up on expecting a full on ARG like Waking Titan?

[fallow raptor]

artemis was actually in the —kzzt— —kzzt— —kzzt—

[idle kernel]

Yes, in the //kzzzt//01110110/01001111/01101001/01000100//kzzzt//

[pine cypress]

I guess people are at least waiting for the next announcement/tweet/update from Sean to see what's in store ?

But they're super quiet right now

[idle kernel]

Yes. There is not much going on right now. Last expedition gived only arg clues. We are waiting for next 'stage'.

[pine cypress]

I thought we'd at least get a message for the game's seventh anniversary, but nothing 🤷‍♂️

they're in full silence mode

[visual kelp]

I hope they are preparing a massive update

[fast river]

they might be waiting for the PC anniversary date, or even beyond that

the trend this year has been one update roughly every 2 months so even if its not on the anniversary, they're probably cooking something

[pine cypress]

Isn't the PC release also August 9 ?

I didn't expect the update yesterday but at least a message or something I guess

[fast river]

no, little later by Steams record

August 12th

[oblique geyser]

Ps4 was the og platform it launched on, and it was Aug 9th

[nimble shadow]

Me too

[frail drum]

What is Arg?

[rigid gulch]

Alternate reality game, solving clues that progress the story and stuff

Also I hope they’re cooking something too

[pine cypress]

The silence is killing me

[visual kelp]

Saame

[rigid gulch]

It’s quiet. Too quiet. They’re cooking something

Let them cook

[visual kelp]

Yes. Maybe on the pc anniversary we won’t get an update spoiler but some more ARG stuff?

[sinful crater]

pc anniv has passed 🥺 at least in my timezone. it’s the 13th already.

[visual kelp]

Oh right-

well, let's hope that they have something prepared for gamescom

[waxen imp]

i've recently noticed the Construct is now able to be visited on regular saves

(no, really, i'm on my Survival save and I'm saying hi to them rn)

so; EITHER

• We got a new conversation buddy
• Sean truly is planning something
• The Construct has something important to say

the 3rd is likely false, though, as i'm assuming we've already scrubbed through their dialouge

[golden snow]

I would think we will be seeing more of that Construct yeah

[waxen imp]

also, atleast some expeditions are proven to be canon

which is nice

also, wondering

is the Construct visible to everyone on the Anomaly, or are there certain conditions?

like, do you have to have Singularity completed?

[golden snow]

Not a clue, I'll check later when I'm on

[waxen imp]

---

Assuming you visit him on a profile that hasn't completed the Singularity expedition, does he default to the Atlas or Atlantid lines?

asking the burning questions here

[golden snow]

Hoping we get some more soon

[pine cypress]

For me the construct was visible on the Anomaly from my regular save while the expedition was going

[waxen imp]

ah

also, better yet

Where is my Ship of AI Souls, Sean

[fervent void]

Not all expeditions are canon ?

[waxen imp]

i mean
i'm just kinda going by premonition and Leviathan

though Leviathan could pretty easily be canon

[oblique geyser]

I know singularity is, but idk abt the others. Singularity is pt 2 of 4 of a storyline started by interceptor

[pine cypress]

I wouldn't say it started with interceptor, the Abyss/void mother stuff goes way, way back

Like the dreams of the deep quest mentions it, there was the whole Ariadne thing in 2020 too

It's been speeding up with interceptor but it didn't start there

[oblique geyser]

No they said when they released singularity it was pt 2 of 4 of the interceptor line

[pine cypress]

Huh, must have missed that

When part 3 then Sean ?

[glass shoal]

or D) it's a bug. after all, the construct has been showing up as a glitch on people's freighters

[rigid gulch]

I hope part 3 shows up soon

They gotta be cooking

[plucky herald]

So anyone got a summary for me note I’m dumb enough to not read large sections

Just looking for summary or brief poi’s

[oblique geyser]

That's because when your freighter is in an empty system (no space station and no main race) the crew of npc's models are pulled from any npcs in the system, eg your farmer, nada, the construct, tethys, etc.

[waxen imp]

i mean, that construct replaced normal npcs

this one is still in it's spot, next to tethys

[glass shoal]

i'm just saying it could be a bug. anyway HG doesn't really do stealth content updates typically

[visual kelp]

Been a while since they appeared there. But yeah.

[wide vigil]

wait theres an arg? Lol

[idle kernel]

[pine cypress]

E C H O E S

[visual kelp]

ECHOES

I do wonder what they have in store for that… the name itself doesn’t give me much hints…

[pine cypress]

Oh it gives LOTS of hits

But it's pretty much more of the same as before lol

Void Mommy, Korvax prime destroyed, Korvax Echoes, probably something along those lines and the continuation of whatever we did to the echoes and the construct in the last expedition

[visual kelp]

Well, yes and no. The only hint its not giving me is what we can expect in terms of update content besides more of the ARG stuff

[visual kelp]

Inb4 echoes means we will see the past… yknow… echoes of the past

[rigid gulch]

This update might be 3/4? Or this might be a big update

[pine cypress]

Oh but since we're on the ARG channel I thought that's what you were talking about, the Arg stuff lol

[pine cypress]

Maybe both ? Who knows

[rigid gulch]

Maybe!

The ARG has been very very quiet

[idle kernel]

The E in ECHEOS is just three lines . Part3 or arg incoming?

[fleet plume]

I saw a video pointing out the E and O/C kind of look like the eyes from the new robot heads in singularity and they come in as pairs

Probably nothing but thought it was interesting

[visual kelp]

Kinda meant that too, but you did open my mind to that.

[kind atlas]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/≡
We're getting 🍔

[viral moss]

Awwww yeeee

[glass shoal]

I assume the video's audio was already searched for ARGy stuff yeah?

[young turtle]

[pine cypress]

Imagine all the cursed fanarts I could do with that name, all that destructive power in the palm of my hand 😈

[true dagger]

The trigram angle has me curious... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trigram

Also the possibilities using mathematical identity - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_(mathematics)

I mean, if you think about it, the definition of hyperbolic function identities could actually be how ATLAS is trying (and failing) to handle the corruption...

Quote:

Osborn's rule states that one can convert any trigonometric identity into a hyperbolic identity by expanding it completely in terms of integer powers of sines and cosines, changing sine to sinh and cosine to cosh, and switching the sign of every term which contains a product of an even number of hyperbolic sines.

Echoes, indeed. 🙂

Then again, given what we know about the dimensions and their collapsing... that's pretty much modular arithmetic, innit?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modular_arithmetic

Modulus being the failure point? The point at which ATLAS keeping cycling?

Anyway... reckon we'll see soon enough.

[plucky herald]

The power of the gods at my grasp

activating scanners…calibration to echoes update.

[frail crest]

Oh my God I've already found enough cursed NMS fan-art out there 🤣

[frigid cove]

yo what, ARG?

[somber prairie]

[frigid cove]

ahh, I thought it woulda ment Augmented, but ok awesome anyway

[buoyant pine]

What if the ARG is hinting towards their new game instead of NMS? 🤔

[placid phoenix]

They probably wouldn't have posted it on the No Man's Sky Twitter then

On June 7th Sean posted on Twitter with the announcement for the singularity expedition that it would include "ARG Clues" there has been no evidence of any actual ARG so far, so either Echoes will start a true ARG like Waking Titan or it will be a content update with no ARG (which imo is more likely) in which case what Sean really meant was ARG-style Clues which were in the expedition in the form of coded messages that had to be decoded outside of the game

[proud cipher]

Excited for Thursday 😄

[placid phoenix]

Indeed

[hollow sleet]

Yeah they just used the term ARG too loosely to just mean interesting tidbits that you can only figure out by using tools you normally use for ARGs like converters and audio visualisers

[idle turtle]

💀

[young turtle]

any new stuff?

[golden snow]

People are freaking a bit running around, but I have seen some images that may be code - I haven't had the chance to really look yet

[sinful crater]

I found some binary codes while doing the mission. I know it's a major spoiler, I don't wanna share it for now

[rigid gulch]

There was a code I saw earlier in the server

[sinful crater]

when I came across the strings of binary code it kinda made my hair rise 😅 heavy lore.

I think I saw that one pic in the server earlier.

[glass shoal]

I think we should be clear about what is an ARG thing and what is a story thing. I would say any code sequence in-game is not part of the ARG. It's an easter egg in the game. If there is hidden stuff in the files, that's an ARG component

[vague oriole]

Yeah there’s occasionally binary code throughout the new missions

I didn’t translate the first I found but here are the other few I have seen

01110011 01101000 01100101 00100000 01100111 01110010
01101111 01110111 01110011

||she grows||

01110011 01101000 01100101 00100000 01101100 01101001
01110110 01100101 01110011

||she lives||

01110011 01101000 01100101 00100000 01101001 01110011
00100000 01101110 01100101 01100001 01110010

||she is near||

56 4F 49 44 20 50 52 49 40 45 0A

||void pri@e||

[vague oriole]

A numerical code:
3 - 5 - 8 - 13 - 21 - 34 - 55 - 89 - 144 - 233

[golden snow]

Fibonacci

[buoyant pine]

I wonder if this is hinting at a parallel universe the void a variation update even? That is some interesting vague text. Is there more?

[strange frigate]

I read something about one of the former korvax hive minds being a she(and part of the abyss)

[sinful crater]

the first part of the arg hinted about this, in the interceptor update

[brave snow]

how do you start the new missions?

[sinful crater]

check the pinned posts in #no-mans-sky

[brave snow]

ew i have to complete artemis for the 4900th time xD

[rigid gulch]

Yeah it’s annoying right?

[marble swan]

Maybe we get to enter a simulation in our simulation you know that korvax that wants data in your base

Or the prime terminal

[daring charm]

the first is "mother... home..."

[visual hill]

What is the new hover drone pet?

[idle kernel]

Its expedition reward i think

[fervent void]

yep it is

[tardy onyx]

what does "Lift the Seal from a Harmonic Camp" mean?

[steady loom]

IF YOU WANT HELP OR SPOILERS FOR SOMETHING IN NMS, USE #nms-questions #nms-spoilers or #no-mans-sky , NOT HERE

[placid phoenix]

I think it may be time to lay this channel to rest

Or maybe change it to like a "in game coded messages spoilers" channel or something

I think it's safe to say at this point there's no ARG

At least not right now

Or anytime soon

[golden snow]

!ty

[dire crag]

Thank you! Oh, thank me? You're welcome!

[untold summit]

What’s cooler? An suv or a pickup truck?

[small minnow]

Maybe nothing, but every time you're awarded Atlantideum it's 19 of them.

[rigid gulch]

yeah a new number....19. interesting

[hollow sleet]

its a callback to the 19th minute that's talked about in the korvax archive

[Journey]
Brain - kzzkt - formed in void, spontaneous, complete - kzzkt - Atlas protocol made flesh.

The Atlantid, called Void Mother by lesser voices, brought pilgrims - kzzkt - its mass -

Lived for millennia - kzzkt - died, whispering of the nineteenth minute.

[Rebirth]
Left secrets beyond computation, beyond - kzzkt - mind arcs... carapace... convergence...

Korvax honoured fallen - tried to bring back Atlantid, birthed failed Eggs...

On the shoulders of a sleeping god, from flesh built a metal world.

[Home]
The Void Mother lived - kzzkt - the Prime - ```

this was added all the way back in the Origins (3.0) update

[rigid gulch]

still pretty interesting. I wonder if we will ever see the void mother

[hollow sleet]

the way the story is going, there's a good chance

[waxen imp]

woah
Sean has had this planned for a WHILE

[young turtle]

bruh that was like 2 years ago

we're getting old, lads

[waxen imp]

i remember digging up a buried cache, finding an x-class upgrade and being absolutely SHOCKED

[placid thunder]

Was the ARG the storyline that's been going on with the Atlantid, corrupted sentinels, interceptor stuff, and the autophages?

If so, I remember when the singularity expedition was called "part 2 of 4" and I was wondering whether Echoes is part 3 or not

[rigid gulch]

Yeah it is part 3 it looks like

[glass shoal]

tbh I wish HG had just hired Alice & Smith again to do a proper ARG

[fervent void]

the next arg part will probably be the autophage-centered expedition yet to come

for now we just had an introduction, before diving deeper

[rigid gulch]

I hope this next part will be more ARG-like

[fervent void]

they expanded the lore with an expedition, so will they continue

the echoes update is more of a gameplay update more than lore, which is fine

[formal acorn]

I hope we get an expedition focusing on each races lore and things later on. Would be neat to learn more about them all

[fervent void]

races lore is already pretty deep, and honestly kinda violent, so idk if they would ever do this

[blissful dock]

also when u have the option to gift autophages atlantideum, i think u give them 19 of it

[rigid gulch]

Seems like 19 is the new number

19/19/19

[frank rune]

When charging the glyphs with atlantideum its still sixteen

[rigid gulch]

That’s true

[idle kernel]

19 is when korvax prime died i think
16 is the number of atlas.
So 19 min was in the past. Imo. The countdown is coming down.

[frank rune]

K.Prime died at nineteen minutes till shutdown?

[rigid gulch]

19 minutes ago

[chrome delta]

I don't know if this is the right place to ask but, I finished the Atlantid quest line and was curious if there were different endings sort of speak? Wasn't sure if it was similar to the main quest and you'd get a different outcome depending on your choices

[wild tartan]

Prob best off asking in #nms-questions or also #nms-spoilers

[chrome delta]

Ah thank you! I missed the regular spoilers channel 😅

[plain prairie]

I have a new quest that is stuck https://i.imgur.com/MHKZJuS.png I've given the monolith 1 korvax casing and it setup a waypoint to the world portal. However, that quest never completes and I've unlocked the portal all it gives is access to use it. Any help?

[sacred thistle]

You were meant to go to the back of the monolith for an additional pillar to pop up and feed it atlantideum @plain prairie try warping to a new system and restarting the quest there

[plain prairie]

Already tried that, it said the stone is quiet, the song is now complete. on the second pillar. Just abandoned it and now it didn't come back up. 🤷‍♂️

[orchid dagger]

So.. I found out you can use the same technique on void motes that you can use on quicksilver items

[frank rune]

you can also just straight up dupe motes

[orchid dagger]

@frank rune guilty as charged

[fervent void]

dupe is life

[idle kernel]

When doing autophage medals you will get more than enough motes. No need to dupe. I bought everything like 2x over and still have over 30k left

[somber hedge]

Is this chat for the campaign?

As in current missions?

[golden snow]

It's for the codes and speculation of what they mean

[somber hedge]

Ah copy

[wild tartan]

@true dagger it does its quest I mean. i hope you found it. and for reference, you're welcome to discuss this in the other #nms-spoilers channel, since this one's for something different Per pins:

This channel is only for discussion of the current ARG (2023), which started with Interceptor v4.20. Any other type of post is subject to deletion, moderation action and a channel ban.

[true dagger]

Sorry if this is a dumb question what is nms arg what does arg stand for

[young turtle]

alternate reality game

here @true dagger

[true dagger]

Thank you!!

[wild tartan]

@spiral pier You can inquire about those in #nms-questions btw This channel's about an ARG event that's mentioned in the pins

[dire crag]

❓ What is ARG? It stands for alternate reality game. It's a "game" or series of puzzles that players work on, in and outside the game, to solve as a community. Check Pins in #nms-arg-2023 for news on the latest NMS ARG (2023) Part II (*Part I started with Interceptor - v4.2)

[wild tartan]

@shy saddle Please see the pins. Thanks

[young turtle]

anything new?

[shy saddle]

Sorry

[fallow raptor]

arg

[rigid gulch]

arg

[stoic verge]

arg

[slate yew]

So is there still the ARG going? I had some family stuff come up the last couple months so need to catch up haha.

[golden snow]

ish, we don't have new info so are waiting for another bit

[golden snow]

@jovial hamlet Don't post nonsense here, abide by channel and server rules. Thanks.

[vernal valve]

arg moment (is there any news?)

[pastel flax]

is this arg pre echoes or ongoing

[golden snow]

Current

[nimble shadow]

Arg matey

[copper ledge]

what is arg?

[idle kernel]

Alternate reality game

[wild tartan]

!Faq-Arg

[dire crag]

❓ What is ARG? It stands for alternate reality game. It's a "game" or series of puzzles that players work on, in and outside the game, to solve as a community. Check Pins in #nms-arg-2023 for news on the latest NMS ARG (2023) Part II (*Part I started with Interceptor - v4.2)

[idle kernel]

Did anyone tried to figure out the autophage number sequences?

[vernal valve]

i tried but got a random blob of letters

[idle kernel]

Im not talking about binary code

Im talking about these

[vernal valve]

oop

[idle kernel]

All number sequences i found:
A-prime numbers 2,3,5,7,11,13,17,19,23,29,31,37,41,43,47,53,59,61,67,71,79,83,89,97...
B- Euclid-Mullin sequence
2,3,7,43,13,53,5,6221671, 38709183810571,139,2801,11,17, 5471,52662739,23003...
C-untouchable numbers
2,5,52,88,96,120,124,146,162,188, 206,210,216,238,246,248,262,268...
D-lucky numbers sequence
1,3,5,7,9,13,15,25,31,33,37,43,49,51,63,67...
E- Lucky numbers of Euler
41,43,47,53,61,71,83,97,113,151,173, 197,223,251...
F-Markov numbers
1,2,5,13,29,34,89,169,194,233,433, 610,985,1325...
G-Wierd numbers sequence
70,836,4030,5830,7192,7912,9272, 10430,10570,10990,11410,11690, 12110...
H- Colossally abundant numbers
2,6,12,60,120,360,2520,5040, 55440,720720,1441440,4324320, 21621600,367567200...
I-power of two
1,2,4,8,16...(16 was marked red)
J-Magic square constants numbers
5, 34,65, 111,175,260...

[vernal valve]

oh ill try to translate it

may take a while tho

[hollow sleet]

they're just math sequences, I dont think they're so relevant and instead just cool math

[idle kernel]

Or we dont have the rest of the puzzle yet

[errant pond]

I still dunno if Echoes and Voyagers count as part 3/4 of the ARG.

[tropic pier]

I don't think voyagers is at all part of it. But I'm pretty sure echoes was 3/4 so most likely a update or an expedition in the future will finish it, I'm hoping for update but we've had update, expedition, update, so it might go back to expedition

[errant pond]

Yeah I just grouped Echoes and Voyager into the same thing since they released together, even if the expedition isn't advancing the arg.

[tropic pier]

Ah ic

[short pier]

Echos is 3/4 and Voyagers is a side story.

[distant mauve]

is there an ELI5 of the current ARG stuff?

[somber prairie]

there was some hexadecimal and binary encoded text in the previous expedition, thats about it so far

it served as a way to tease echoes i think

[young sable]

Oooh, this is where we talk about the hex codes and other similar in game sections. I assume everyone already did the spectral analysis of ATLAS audio from Singularity, I'm just coming in late to this channel. Didn't realise it existed until now.

[nimble shadow]

Yes the code is ||I don't play for the lore||

[normal condor]

can someone give me a tldr on this arg?

[kind atlas]

@normal condor ARG was Tweeted about, nothing much happened since, we're still curious what's to come next

[cunning nest]

Anyone have the binary translations from Prayers of the Machine?

[idle kernel]

|| "she grows" ||