📚lore_discussion

[night shale]

I mean why do they drop solid emeralds then

Do Wynn people have a ton of blood clots

[nocturne stump]

rapid crystallization when exposed to air

uhh... AHA

[night shale]

Shouldn’t breathing kill them

[nocturne stump]

the air has high amounts of aluminum

[night shale]

Or a single cut

I feel like villagers are evil and have a ritual to convert the dead into emerald

[nocturne stump]

no ok see. here's what happens:
air goes into wynn organism. aluminum in air is in the form of aluminum oxide, because the air has oxygen in it. the aluminum is broken up and exhaled as elemental aluminum. The oxygen goes into the bloodstream. Aluminum isn't dangerous to wynn organisms in AlO2 form because it's already fully bound up and unreactive. When you open the blood of a wynn organism to the air, however, the Al from their respiratory processes can enter the blood in high enough concentration to cause crystallization

at salted this is what you had in mind right

[night shale]

I see

So that’s why items with stealing

Make mobs drop emeralds when you hit them

ur literally bleeding them

For money

[nocturne stump]

stealing items cause wounds in more capillary-heavy areas

[night shale]

And weapons that cause bleeding have a poison that prevents the blood from solidifying

So they bleed out and die

[nocturne stump]

yes

[night shale]

Also yes if there isn’t I’ll make it up

And test it as cannon

[nocturne stump]

liquid emeralds are so valuable because they haven't been exposed to the air, and are very hard to obtain because of that

you need to capture a wynn organism and drain their blood

[night shale]

But then how do emerald pouches tier 7 and up turn emeralds into liquid

[nocturne stump]

magic idk

[hybrid gazelle]

well it kinda hard to imagine economy where common creature could drop currency

espically when that said currency was pretty much used by everyone

that mean everyone with decent combat skill can gain money whatever they want

inflation likely going to be a hugeee problem in the universe

consider how easy it is to get money

price can pretty much go higher and higher until shit completely unaffordable to those who have disability or inability to combat

and not talk about extinction of many animals in thearea

[nocturne stump]

have you played wynncraft

[hybrid gazelle]

well I assume we talking baout In universe

and not in the game

as I say

creatuer dropping currency are only gameplay feature that many video game have

due to the fact it's best way to allow player to enjkoy the game and enjoy the progress

but if we try to take that logic into the in-universe

where everything will work like in real life

we must consider economy and everything that make real life work, work

[nocturne stump]

nope! see, the supply of money will remain approximately constant, so inflation will stop fairly fast. people without combat will just use other skills to aquire money from people who combat

(comparative advantage)

[hybrid gazelle]

okay what about the lives of animals

consider in modern day

[nocturne stump]

womp womp

[hybrid gazelle]

people already exploit animals for money already

then yeah too bad that like

the world aint gonna work when all lives are being hunt to near extinction

so yeah

anyway besiude that

[nocturne stump]

also there are plenty of r-strategists in wynncraft which can be harvested

[hybrid gazelle]

figuring out how dragon should work in universe of wynncraft

honestly the original draft I have is not work that well

consider how little info we have

[nocturne stump]

(see, for example, wybel island)

[hybrid gazelle]

but also we got some pretty good amount of info

[nocturne stump]

or the sky snails

[hybrid gazelle]

so far these only dragon that currenly alive

consider from lore these two dragons are suppose to be somewhat same spieces

imply that dragon just like human and other sapient have diversity in body type

so I just gonna go ahead and redesign farcor into taking european inspiration

[nocturne stump]

i would vote orange wybel for corkus parliament on a platform of moving the economy away from solidified blood

orange wybel would have to move there first tho

[hybrid gazelle]

some attempt have been made to design these dragons

but I gave up since they look pretty bad

[nocturne stump]

yo farcor go in for scoliosis treatment 😭

[hybrid gazelle]

there also attempt on expanding their descendents

sadly they not turn out that well

dont really like them

have to explore the idea later

consider dragon are more mythical being

[nocturne stump]

what's the evolutionary tree of dragons like

[hybrid gazelle]

where their skeleton lead to the creation of these decndents later than covnentional scientific evolution

to fit with gavel more folklore-y or fantasy-vibe

There are more potential for many design for the descendent

still would draw inspiration from monster hunter

but overall I really like the idea of decendents carry some aspect of magical stuff that their dragon ancestor can do

rough idea rn is that there are many type of wyverns, drake, and other roaming around Gavel as part of its ecosystem

Scarlet Spitter, Emerald Horn, Marine Lurker, Amber Tail, and Pale Wings are name I consdier for each type of wyverns

assigned to different elemental magic

the idea of wyverns with more than one elements also leave in the open

honestly I still would love the idea there being more type of wyverns

but we will see

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sswLigW_FZ4

thing to keep in mind that these decedents must not be destructive enough to threaten city and must be shadow of former self

so I need to held back on their destructive power

unless I can explain something else like territory

or its habitant

[digital swan]

nah they totally are, they're just scared of people because people chain em up, use them as flamethrowers, and then blow em up with explosives

[hybrid gazelle]

?

[digital swan]

Well dwarves do
Villagers look close enough

[hybrid gazelle]

I am talking about dragon descendents

not the dragon themselves

[digital swan]

the stories are passed down orally

and reinforced with villager cannons when necessary

[hybrid gazelle]

i have no idea what you talking about

[digital swan]

are you calling dragons and their descendants unintelligent

[hybrid gazelle]

no?

You are missing the point

[agile oxide]

Man see dragon

Dragon make man happy

[plush kestrel]

so is the corruption taking over the whole wynn province

[cold cove]

It's trying

[wispy ravine]

hi

[night shale]

What are the cursed of fruma?

[hybrid gazelle]

As far as we know, people with magical innate

So basically like Twain family would be called cursed if they were born in fruma

[night shale]

Wait I thought the queen was magic

[hybrid gazelle]

They are but she is royalty

The magic is not allow for the lower class

[night shale]

Oh yay

Rebellion

[dim plover]

It kinda already has in a sense

Just underground

One of the discoveries say that the roots have already spread underground across the entire province I guess

[night shale]

Wonder what’s after fruma

Dealing with corruption?

Invading the nether?

[exotic bough]

prolly modernizing old content

i doubt the ct will hop right into dern after fruma

especially since both fruma and dern are the only areas that are expected to be revealed later on

fruma might change stuff though

[pulsar hollow]

jungle fix 🙏

[dim plover]

(The Nether’s not a thing anymore btw)

They retconned it from the lore couple years back

[hybrid gazelle]

Summoning Madeline to maul you

[night shale]

Wait dern wut that

[night shale]

Dang did they replace it or nah

[hybrid gazelle]

They rewrite the nether into corruption

[dim plover]

It’s the Realm of War

[hybrid gazelle]

Realm of darkness

[dim plover]

I mean, it was always corruption

They just removed the nether aspects of it

[hybrid gazelle]

Corruption as the corruption

[dim plover]

They’re never going to get rid of the correlation people still see its style as the nether lol

[hybrid gazelle]

I fucking hate wynncraft naming scheme

[dim plover]

Elaborate

[night shale]

Huh wonder if there gonna turn it into a pvp region

[dim plover]

You hate a lot of things in Wynncraft that other people find perfectly Ok so you’re going to need to specify

[dim plover]

It was a pvp region

[night shale]

Was?

[dim plover]

But no one was interested in it and the place had 0 people consistently so they got rid of it

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah because that what happen when you get to learn and study more in depth

[dim plover]

Basically barely anyone actually wants a pvp region

[night shale]

Pain

[dim plover]

It’s not popular enough of an idea to add in

[hybrid gazelle]

Not like pvp going to work with modern combat anyway

[night shale]

I thought it was gonna be like Albion online region with good quests and rewards and bosses but pvp was enabled

[dim plover]

Anyways you still haven’t elaborated

On the naming scheme

You mean like mob names or

And location names

And like, the realms

[hybrid gazelle]

We sorta do with hunter’s calling or whatever that game mode name is

Not new area but like

Yeah

[night shale]

I guess

But it’s also ded

[hybrid gazelle]

PvP in wynncraft will never see the light of day

[night shale]

Miss the good old days

When you could snipe and one shot someone while they were fighting a boss

[dim plover]

(((So what did you mean by this)))

it’s like my third time asking

The only thing in Wynncraft I can think of that has terrible naming is like

Bob

But that’s old ancient content that they didn’t put that much thought into so I can’t really blame them

They’re stuck with that goofy-ass name now though

Otherwise all the other names Wynncraft has are fine, I guess?

What are you referring to

?????

Bruh they left

You can’t just say that and not explain what you meant

I’ll come back to this later

[slender copper]

You know how Orphion is a manifestation of the Realm of Light?

What if there were... more manifestations.

[dim plover]

So like, Dern Beast

[slender copper]

We have yet to see manifestations of elements or even very... unusual places like the Void and Lake Gylia.
So... I thought in deciding to see in typing out lore and how they look.
(Was currently drawing one of them xD)

[dim plover]

How would that work

[slender copper]

Are you saying this in you're curious or... (text tone is very hard)

[hybrid gazelle]

Well the void kinda is nothing

Having manifestation of it would be kinda odd

Having more manifestation is hmm

Honestly concept could be explore but I would prefer if Orphion and Dern Beast stay as their own

[slender copper]

Nvm-

[hybrid gazelle]

damn fair enough

[gentle gale]

i'm very new to wynncraft and i just got to the recover the past quest and im so shocked like damn this lore going deep

like what do you MEAN that's how they all became soldiers of wynn?!!!! they got their memories replaced???? crazy sick and twisted

[neat oriole]

There is no war inside Fruman walls.
There is no war inside Fruman walls.

at the moment fruma isn't accessible

and we recently got informed that it's being released early 2026

so that's fun

i think the worst bit is that their memories are basically erased and scrubbed

but they only remember fruma fondly

[hybrid gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/gulp-cat-gif-27257259

avatar fruma in big 2025

would be really funny with each avatar reference we make about fruma, it get delay by 1 month

[neat oriole]

there is no fruma inside the walls

[hybrid gazelle]

gotta love how people have expectation from Fruam from like

extremely outadted source that not even in the game anymore

[hybrid gazelle]

it not erase

they just forget about it

[neat oriole]

yea tru ig

[hybrid gazelle]

if it erase then it unrecoverable

[neat oriole]

the funny crystal ball can bring back memory

[hybrid gazelle]

I mean i Highly dbout that the only way'

[raw badge]

There is no walls inside the Fruma

[full bough]

bob

[night shale]

Wonder how strong the royal family is

Whaat their magic is

Or if jts random

[potent sleet]

...The war within the Fruman Walls isn't in game anymore? What?

Literally Dr. Picard says that after you talk to him after the quest

And unless Orphion's text gets changed, it knows you're going to Fruma at some point to deal with the Queen because of the conflict she's causing there

[fluid smelt]

is there anyway i can join a specific server cause i keep getting put into na servers and its horribly laggy

[eternal helm]

This is #📚lore_discussion you should ask in #❓questions or maybe #🌎wynncraft

so many redirects lmao

[unique jungle]

there is no war within fruman walls ❤️

[quick needle]

How awkward and unusual is this container?
Who made it? Can it even hold a liquid?

it is probably just a klein bottle

[digital swan]

we are going to start a war in the fruman walls even if we have to hack the fruman guards into hostile enemies to do it

[dim plover]

He sort of alludes to it as a past reference but otherwise it’s mostly because the Fruma guys in the memory don’t have that quote anymore

[hybrid gazelle]

The avatar reference got remove

Also where lol

[hybrid gazelle]

Oh yeah that probably they did not get to rework it

Consider how literally all memory is shown here has no sign of war so thst quote make no sense

Avatar reference fruma is fucking dead and that good

[digital swan]

seeing that you get to access the realm of light. Do you eventually get to access the realm of war and kick some corrupted ass

[hybrid gazelle]

Idk lol

Couple of guys been there and never end up well

[exotic yew]

Probably get the realm of darkness first

[digital swan]

How
The Dern Beast definitely outranks Bakal, Bakal takes orders from him

[exotic yew]

Bak'al is just a dude, he is not realmbeast of corruption

[hybrid gazelle]

It not about power scaling

It about the narrative

[exotic yew]

Also this

[hybrid gazelle]

If the writers decide thst Dern should come first because it fit their narrative

Dern would come first

[exotic yew]

You are striking dern because they have been restless and were about to tip the scale.

[hybrid gazelle]

Also Bak’al do not own realm of war, he been there but we don’t know if he ever stay there

[exotic yew]

For war

Er

It feels like we probably cannot do much about war anyway

Wars are result of light and dark fights anyway.

Not as in it create realm of war

[digital swan]

Corruption has no realmbeast what it's just chaos

[exotic yew]

But the corruption we 're dealing with is from them

[exotic yew]

Exactly the point

So what are we kicking ass in realm of war

[digital swan]

it's like The Chaos

[exotic yew]

Yeah what are the chaos

[digital swan]

well the only intelligent Corrupted is Bakal presumably

nothing native to the realm could possibly be intelligent

[exotic yew]

Ok and

[hybrid gazelle]

Charon

[exotic yew]

Bro

[exotic yew]

I don't think he is native

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah ik

[exotic yew]

Not like intelligence is relevant at all

[hybrid gazelle]

I just meant for intelligent part

[exotic yew]

I don't think Annie is that smart but if it got out we all died

Yk

[digital swan]

There's something leading them surely otherwise they would simply content themselves in their own realm fighting for whatever
Then killing Bakal would surely stop the corrupted from being any real threat and allow the resealing of the portal

[exotic yew]

Dawg

Did we just forget an elephant in the room called ANNIHILATION

Or corruptor of worlds

[digital swan]

who is leaving to attack wynn on the orders of Bakal on the orders of the Dern Beast

[exotic yew]

No it did not what the fuck are you talking about 😭

Annie is it's own thing

Bak'al wouldn't go near it with a ten-foot pole

He would get clapped

[digital swan]

I mean we can give it enough of a beating to get it to retreat

Bakal is clearly a lot more powerful than us

[exotic yew]

Ok

We also killed CoW

Which bak'al wouldn't even touch with a ten-foot pole

[digital swan]

CoW is odd like Le Green Corruption I think contradicted with newer lore and nonsensical
Presumably it'll be brought together with the modern lore eventually

[exotic yew]

Ok? You want more modern lore

The eye

We literally Gouge out god of darkness eye

[digital swan]

I mean if Bakal is not the most powerful corrupted then how can he possibly lead the only army of Corrupted known

[exotic yew]

Except he did not

There's also another person doing this

[digital swan]

Well he gouged it out himself, Gave it to BAKAL to place in the Silent Expanse to watch, and then we killed it

[exotic yew]

His name is CHARON

[exotic yew]

Bro being pedantic for no reason 😭

Still we kill the eye

[digital swan]

Charon I think is just a subcommander no?
The Infernal Generals from that one world event are also leading an army

[exotic yew]

He does his own thing

Idk what are you talking about

[digital swan]

Bakal was the one to place the eye? If that doesn't show his power what does

[exotic yew]

What the fuck does placing something has to do with power

Do you realized the eye has been placed there willingly

[hybrid gazelle]

At this point just

Disengage tbe convo

[exotic yew]

Look man I can't

[hybrid gazelle]

Cause I also have no fucking clue what he talking about

[digital swan]

Wait for more information from CT to clarify?

[exotic yew]

This is some funniest shit ever

[digital swan]

oh ok

[hybrid gazelle]

Dude do you like

Like

Idk man I kinda speechless

[exotic yew]

Where is Maddie when you need her

[dim plover]

Hi there what’s up

I hear lore

[exotic yew]

Someone said bak'al is basically the most powerful corrupted in the game

Basically

[warm adder]

chris p bacon

[dim plover]

Oh yeah I guess CoW exists

[exotic yew]

Annihilation:

[dim plover]

Wait do they mean Corrupted as in

[exotic yew]

All

[dim plover]

Stuff that got corrupted

[exotic yew]

Yes

[dim plover]

Oh

[exotic yew]

Like literally anything related with corruption

[dim plover]

So they are including stuff native to the RoW as well

I mean, yeah I guess Annihilation would be the most powerful one that we know of

[exotic yew]

Basically bak'al controls annihilation

That's what bro is saying

[dim plover]

Wait what

Oh lol

[exotic yew]

Yes look

Not my word

You definitely can scroll up and read him a bit

[dim plover]

@digital swan Hi
Elaborate

[digital swan]

I thought we gave up on this..? Anyways I see Annihilation as like
have you ever seen the Schwerer Gustav

[dim plover]

I thought we gave up on this
Idk I’m new to the conversation

Also no I haven’t of that

Who is that

[digital swan]

It was a German cannon during the Second World War
Largest ever to be used in combat (during Operation Barbarossa)
Was it destructive and powerful? Yes, but it was still just a gun, and so I see Annihilation as just an oversized Imp with the same level of thinking as all other imps in the game, just with some magic powers
A giant grunt that normally would act like an animal - every time it pokes its head through the portal, a bunch of Wynn soldiers shred it to bits, so it would learn to go for prey in the Realm of War (which is clearly not lacking). So what could possibly induce it to search for prey in Wynn? Same as all other grunts - there is some intelligent leadership behind it. And there's no other options for intelligent leadership at that level (yes there are other intelligent corrupted like Charon, but Charon would presumably be far too weak to be the mastermind).

oh my goodnes. that was yap

I am sorry

[exotic yew]

We gave up on this as in me and @hybrid gazelle actually

Like I don't know what to tell you

[pliant plank]

CHILL GUYS

At the end of the day Seaskipper captain soloes so why bother

[sharp mango]

wynn powerscaling

[exotic yew]

Wynn power scaling is quite goofy

[solid fable]

@hybrid gazelle whats your top 10 strongest wynncraft characters excluding the player

[hybrid gazelle]

Ope

[warm adder]

what

[regal spire]

8.) Confused zombie

[pallid rain]

ragni citizens

also

do you think the silverbull guy in lutho

is actually a obsessor?

[dim plover]

If it is then idk why it’s entertaining us via being a lootrun host rather than just doing what the other Obsessors do

[hushed obsidian]

what if the silverbull guy in lutho is just a hallucination?

[neat oriole]

what if all silverbull guys were just holograms projected by the silverbull company to ensure that they don't get sued by people for potential people getting hurt on the jobsite

[torn kindle]

#❓questions message If anyone has infos...

[hybrid gazelle]

no there no use to it rn

[torn kindle]

Alrightttt thanks

I guess I was too hopeful that there was a vendor somewhere or smth

[pallid rain]

or that lutho guys a robot

[warm flicker]

lmao i heard this theory before. Apparently what it is is that Silverbull did indeed send a guy out there, but he was killed after our first lootrun and replaced with an obsessor. However, after it witnessed our rampage across the SE it decided to... keep acting as the lootrun host to protect itself

its funny but i doubt its true

[pallid rain]

lol

[sharp mango]

does silverbull pay the obsessor wages

[warm flicker]

i dont think silverbull knows they even have an outpost in SE lol

[digital swan]

they don't
Doesn't the literal chief not know about it until you tell them (and then they think you set it up)

or no that's the other guy

What if the guy there is just an obsessor which you have somehow scammed into acting as a doorman there with the promise that you would join them later

[worthy hornet]

If you look at it from watsonian perspective yes

But acc to doylist perspective the admins just wanted a loot run in we

Se*

[quartz mist]

"Where can I go to lootrun?"

that's all that's said ingame about it to my knowledge

so anything else is either unconfirmed theories from the community, or a CT adding out-of-game info

[bleak torrent]

Some Silverbull employee was working in jofash when a captain sailed him to fantastic island where he got ported to se and decided it was the perfect place for enterprise

[regal spire]

Is there an access point to anything remotely close to the Road to Dern wherever you’re dropped out of the Gateway Portal?

[dim plover]

Is the Gateway Realm even in the Road to Dern

[regal spire]

I know it’s in the silent expanse

[solar ingot]

SE silverbull employees should be dead and you would have to interact with their ghosts

that makes more sense

[regal spire]

I’m pretty sure it’s someplace close to the portal, or EO. It’s definitely blocked by mountains and such, though, and is very secluded from the RtD we’re familiar with

[regal spire]

Actually, now that ive gone back and looked at where you’re plopped out of into Gateway Realm, it might actually be beyond the black mountains near the portal

That would explain why Bob took the portal, rather than the RtD we know, since it’s basically a back door entrance to Dern. It’s definitely a shorter path, and could’ve potentially been a straight shoot, until The Eye caught wind and blocked it off

[digital swan]

Would Bob have known about the Road to Dern

[regal spire]

I guarantee he did, but my theory is he knew it was too obvious of an access point, and far too dangerous

I mean, 3/4 of our expedition team got essentially wiped, with only 1 managing to get out because of us

Bob was definitely a more capable person, but I bet he knew that it would be significantly more difficult to access EO/Dern through that path

Gateway island is quite easy to access, in all honesty, just hard to find. And the path that we were previewed to seemed significantly less hostile, despite what was there

[digital swan]

how, don't we only learn about it because in recent times Elphaba's superiors find mobs from the Silent Expanse

[night shale]

How much does a single silver bull share cost

[digital swan]

Oh wait the Mage Island guys learned about SE as well

[regal spire]

Bob spoke of knowing about the portal/Dern, and explicitly tried to hide it as much as possible, since releasing whatever was locked behind that path would spell the end of the province

[digital swan]

where is this
nilrem letters?

[regal spire]

Mhm

We have info from the mages at Grookwarts that might’ve actually been gathered through Bob/Nilrem (merlin) as well

[digital swan]

they needa make nilrem letters not like. 10 different items you need to grab

[regal spire]

Theory, of course, but it would explain some of it

[digital swan]

I kinda gave up on those

[regal spire]

It’s all on SD, at least, but it’s a bit annoying to read

[digital swan]

is there a transcript anywhere I can't seem to repeat the discovery the hole closes instantly

[regal spire]

Better than finding every piece from shrines, like from the days of old

[digital swan]

they must have gone there tho to get the weakened dern creature

And those only appear in that world event in the ruined olmic city iirc?

so Bob couldn't have been the one to bring it back

[digital swan]

I need to fix my inventory sometime I have 4 open slots sob

[regal spire]

From what I’ve gathered with the grookwarts secret, they got it from a small access point near the abandoned mines. It’s likely it leaked through, implying the hold is giving way

[digital swan]

oh

that does make sense

which means the barrier has been gone for a while? or the mage island room was sealed recently...

[hybrid gazelle]

Honeslty eih is babe in my existence because I have to figure out his way of speech in the rewrite

Most of his dialogue just extremely rough and place bolder

[digital swan]

oh

that's why you're called rewrite man...

are you rewriting the ENTIRE GAME lol?

[hybrid gazelle]

not really

[warm adder]

around 35 le

[thin geyser]

He's not an actual character 😭

The whole point of shattered minds is that it's all in your head because you get high

[hybrid gazelle]

he is actual character in secrect discovery

and even some CT sugegst to me to change his dialogue to resemble his in game self

Secrect discovery meant to tell you that Eih is a messenger of the light and he in fact exist

also this is my rewrite of ROL where my intereptation of Eih is different from canon

but beside that point, saying that Eih is not real kinda render that discovery pointless and a filler

but if your takeaway from that discovery CT just put them there for shit and giggle then sure whatever

[neat oriole]

almighty frog

[hybrid gazelle]

Eih is so irrelevant that it actually convince part of communtiy that he is not real

even tho this entire discovery exist

but tbh believing Eih to be not real actually improve wynncraft story as a whole anyway so I think they onto something

[keen gate]

frgo

[thick pivot]

fog

[regal spire]

🌫️

Was there an “eih-like” entity in shattered minds before 1.20? Or was that added later

My minds slipping on old details

[shut hornet]

dont think so

i remember going through new shattered minds for the first time and noting that the biggest change was the addition of eih

legit outside of that its basically the same quest

[digital swan]

so like what if you remove the discovery instead and make eih a hallucination tho

[hybrid gazelle]

THis discovery exist for them to tell us that Eih is indeed real

but sure if it got remove we have no way tgo prove that Eih is real or not

but that what if, the point is this discovery exist

[regal spire]

I recall there being some kind of dialogue in the quest, but no one to attribute it to. Might’ve Mandela effected it into my brain

It’s funny how I can’t actually recall any of the pre-1.20 gavel quests, anymore, beyond eye of the storm and cowfusion

Even EotS is foggy, because all I remember is going into some kind of cathedral and killing wolves, looking out from a balcony in Lexdale, a giant hand, and an enderman

[hybrid gazelle]

Thing like Eih IDK man

he just one time thing

[bleak torrent]

I think it's just trying to talk about how the lights messages manifest in different ways(sometimes in the form of wacky frogs that talk funnily)

On the question on his existence or not we dunno

[regal spire]

Well, he IS just kinda there

[bleak torrent]

I interpret it as the frog is a physical form of the angel

[regal spire]

Even says “uhh, you’re not supposed to see this!”

[bleak torrent]

Oh I thought it dissapeared or smth when you approached it

[regal spire]

I am curious as to why Eih is just there

[bleak torrent]

Forgor ig

[regal spire]

He’s just hanging out behind a wall lmao

[bleak torrent]

Goofy

[vapid moon]

item lore discussion

[hybrid gazelle]

Okay

What is it

Damn okay nothing I guess

[vapid moon]

#📫noticeboard

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah I know but like

You said discussion

[vapid moon]

the channel is named discussion

[hybrid gazelle]

Like are we discussing how should each of us write item lore for contest or what

Befause I genuinely do not know what are you trying to say

That shit is not sleeper agent code

[vapid moon]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-bird-bird-cat-pointer-finger-point-finger-cat-bird-point-finger-cat-gif-2676038606799380578

[hybrid gazelle]

Like are we peer reviewing

Are we discussing how each items lore should be written?

I pretty sure everyone have free range with the writing since usually these items lore would non significant

Like if you want to start a discussion, maybe at least open up with interesting hook to spark some convo?

[rustic nexus]

let's discuss item lore...

[hybrid gazelle]

Rather than say 3 words and expect thing to happen

[rustic nexus]

idk what you expect just saying it lmao

idk I'm not getting much inspiration from those items

so I'll likely skip this one too

[hybrid gazelle]

Oh Yeah I kinda give up too

Like

[rustic nexus]

cnadrian hellspawn could be cool but like

we know so little about the war realm canonically

so like

wtf you giving us the job for

[hybrid gazelle]

It more like

[rustic nexus]

do you want to remake all item lore again after x amount of years when war realm releases and you gotta reform everything that mentions it

[hybrid gazelle]

These items are so non significant thst community have free range on what to write about them because the very least the winner won’t meddle with the main lore

So like

There just a lot of freedom that not much need to be discuss and essentially you can just

Make up your own shit and be vague enough

[rustic nexus]

it's weird for item ranges that like

include several areas

[hybrid gazelle]

I guess it jsut random pick that like

[rustic nexus]

like is this lv50 item meant for troms jungle or olux swamp

is this lv80 item from corkus or cotl

[hybrid gazelle]

I think that up for the writer to interrept lol

[rustic nexus]

yeah

[vapid moon]

wouldn't vague items generally be easier that way u don't have to adhere to the actual strict facts established

[rustic nexus]

but like wtf are you meant to do with "heaven's gate", a tier 2 water spear from the lv65 area

[hybrid gazelle]

It would be that is why contest being held

[vapid moon]

idk it's not that deep

make cool lore

[hybrid gazelle]

Did not you tell us to discuss

[rustic nexus]

like

[hybrid gazelle]

Dude make up your mind lmao

[rustic nexus]

wynncraft isn't really that deep actually, I think
what? parasite? orphion? he just did that.

yeah he can just grow organisms on him like that

lol

[hybrid gazelle]

It could be Devil

[vapid moon]

I feel like it's a bit rude to go after like the specific item choices and trying to dig into why we decided to do a lore competition although to give u the benefit of the doubt u weren't aware that I chose like most of the items

[rustic nexus]

sorry boingus I just hate the term "it's not that deep"

[vapid moon]

I'm just trying to bring up the existence of the competition because I didn't see anyone talk about it

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah no that term is really fucking annoying when used during discussing

Well I mean

Actually nvm I was about to say something

[vapid moon]

there is no deeper meaning to choosing the items for the lore comp it is literally just "I think these items are cool and people wouldn't have a crazy hard time trying to stick to established lore facts" except cnidarian is a bit of a curve ball one

[rustic nexus]

why would people talk about what they're gonna write publically when others can steal the idea and get the stolen idea picked and them credited for it

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah and beside that cool lore came from discussion

Write cool lore is such a vague instruction

[vapid moon]

if u don't wanna talk about it then don't

[hybrid gazelle]

???

[vapid moon]

but like if u don't got anything good to say then don't say it at all

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/977560455893635102/1139852606315954176/IMG_20230811_184751.gif

instead of just like bashing the idea of the competition

[rustic nexus]

it's not really bashing the idea of the competition

[hybrid gazelle]

We did not???

[rustic nexus]

it's more like

yeah you mentioned it

that doesn't really mean it's gonna spark a conversation

[hybrid gazelle]

Maybe be more direct what discussion you want to habe instead of being vague so now you just kinda look silly when there actually discussion going on

And it not even negative, you jsut interrept it as such

[vapid moon]

idk why u are trying to backseat my chatting

[rustic nexus]

it was just a weird interaction

[vapid moon]

this is kind of infuriating idk I don't think I'll come back to this chat

[hybrid gazelle]

?

Damn okay?

Weird fucking guy

[vapid moon]

there's not much more to my initial message than like "wow look there's an item lore competition"

an I don't think you really mean it but you are coming off as extremely rude trashir

[hybrid gazelle]

I mean yeah so like we just discuss how item could be interrept

Hellspawn for me sound like devil

Damn then idk you come off as extremely vague and confusing

So it kinda hard to understand

But anyway

Honestly marionettw is like

I remember habe some cool idea but hmm

I might forgot about it

[rustic nexus]

just stating a fact isn't the best way to start a conversation I feel... could've just like. asked some sort of question about it like "what are y'all thinking about X item's lore for the item lore contest?" which would result in convo about X item, or how one person isn't feeling X item and would rather write about Y item

idfk man that just felt like a very forced "contest. talk" message

[hybrid gazelle]

Honestly if you twist it marionette could be corrupted item in some way

[rustic nexus]

maybe

[hybrid gazelle]

With corruption reanimating thing

And marionette make those explode early

[vapid moon]

I think I came into here with the expectation that people could read between the lines but again if like my 3rd time talking in here recieves such a reaction then I have no interest in coming back

[rustic nexus]

the corruption rage fills the puppets

[hybrid gazelle]

Like how devils design to be live short but cause distribution

[rustic nexus]

and they explode because they're so mad

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah

But the like

If marionette has something to do with corruption

I feel like there would be too much of corruption since we got hellspawn and cruel Sun

[rustic nexus]

oh wait

[hybrid gazelle]

I don’t think item location is that import any

But it could be bonus point

Maybe it like

Turning your puppet into tjis eldritch spore bomb

That could fit se

[rustic nexus]

yeah

could tie into the like

what was the world event name

the one near eo

otherworldly exhibition?

maybe it's like one of those twisted puppets you fight in the world event

[hybrid gazelle]

Oh Yeha yhat

That could be cool too

The lore could explore that world event morr

Honestly wait

Heat area is in 59-61 again?

The one for heaven’s gate

[rustic nexus]

uhh that would be like

dernel jungle / dark forest

or still parts of troms jungle

ig also ocean?

[hybrid gazelle]

Damnnn

[rustic nexus]

yeah this is the sort of thing I mean

[hybrid gazelle]

I mean probably in this specific case

We could ignore the location?

[rustic nexus]

perhaps

[hybrid gazelle]

Becuase i really like the idea

Of its lore revolve around villager lore

Like maybe their religion

Cause in canon they have nine hell going on

And mandate that relate to monarchy

So maybe jt could be old weapon from ancient time back when villager was in monarchy

The lore could explore that part of the timeline

Also btw get it out of the way first

I think we all can agree cruel Sun

Need to be about Annie like

Like it too obvious

[regal spire]

If we’re talking about item lore, I’d really prefer for Marionette to be a metaphorical connection to what happens to those who “cut their own strings” without a plan to fall back on. Those who escape their own “puppeteer”, but have no idea how to regulate themselves without it, and are left inactive and aimless

Fabled lore always felt like the one that was supposed to be poetic in its lore, but they’ve gone away from that concept a bit with a select number of fableds

[hybrid gazelle]

I mean Yeha if you view it from that way where you aim to write items lore talk about poet thst can work outside of the game

Me and sone kinda view item lore writing as extension of the universe rather than something thst can exist outside it

It depend on how you approach item lore writing

Cause for me I like it more when items just explore and expand different concept in the game

[regal spire]

Legendaries, mythics, and a few fableds should fall into that category, or have a vague enough connection to a concept in game. However, stuff like the scavenged actually do really well with a direct acknowledgment to what you’re actually doing when finding that armor piece. IMO, I’d like for it to be a 1st person recognition about how the heat of the moment can turn even the most composed individuals into desperate scavengers, whilst also being noticeably creative in the approach.

[hybrid gazelle]

Then yeah sure

That certainly ingesting way to take the lore of the items

[regal spire]

Like, what is actually happening to you when you recognize a piece of a corrupted, or entity, and you come to the conclusion that this body part could do me well

Scavenging pieces of what you’ve killed and hobbling together some kind of impressive armor piece, and recognizing what kind of psychological impairment, or awareness, that can bolster

Like, “Your ingenuity is boundless, even in the most desperate of scenarios”

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah that pretty cool

[regal spire]

Something vague enough to represent what you’re capable of, even with scraps and corpses surrounding you

[hybrid gazelle]

I am okay witb thst when some weapon just vague poem thst has nod direct ties to the universe and can exist outside it

But I feel like hellspawn and cruel Sun kinda habe too because like

Kinda wasted if they are not

Heaven’s gate is arguable

I still wanna explore the villager’s monarchy time

[regal spire]

Of course, their names have alot of potential for just general relation to corruption. Cruel sun—based on its level range—could do really well mentioning lives lost to the portal’s endless spewing of demons, but the stalwart, powerful regiment of Detlas still fighting to keep its people safe

[hybrid gazelle]

I really like the idea of cruel Sun being this molten remain of soldiers’ gears when Annie pop a new sun as according to admiral aegis story

So now it basically a reminder of lives that lost during that battle

[regal spire]

Like “Memorials—like this—are propped throughout Detlas and Maltic, to honor the many lost in the endless hordes of the corruption. It’s the soldiers, however, that keep their memories strong, and ensure those who remember their sacrifice are not forgotten.”

It’s rough, but I like this idea for cruel sun

[hybrid gazelle]

I like the idea but I feel like it does not fit the cruel Sun as a name

I feel like this dexription would fit more like the fallen weapon in Nemract

[regal spire]

Cruel Sun, to me, is a metaphorical description of the overbearing heat of the portal, and its chaotic, prejudice nature

[hybrid gazelle]

It could be but I definitely want to explore the horror of tbe aftermath that Annie inflicted on even the sutvivors

[regal spire]

I could see the early days of the portal being referred to as “The Cruel Sun”

[hybrid gazelle]

That could be cool but god idk hard jt see since

Whole thing about portal oeplning is thst

To people of Wynn it happen cause of the mining

It would be just a wired name

[hushed comet]

its a reference to the disgraced japanese animation series '7 Deadly Sins'

[regal spire]

Lmao is that true or some made up hooha

[hushed comet]

the prince andrew of shonen

[regal spire]

Cause I love when names/concepts can be interpreted in some genuinely meaningful ways, only for the source material to be slop

[hushed comet]

yeah name most likely references one of the characters of the show 'cruel sun' escanor

[regal spire]

That’s really funny, and now I’m wondering how many items have names like that

Where they’re just vague enough to be some interesting allegory or metaphor, only for it to be some random name from Fire Emblem or something

Is sans really a reference to Sans?

And papyrus isn’t just some silly name for paper?

[hushed comet]

sans the item might possibly predate sans the skeleton

wynncraft released on 2013 whereas undertale was 2015

wiki version history just says october 2025 though so who knows

[regal spire]

Did Sans seriously release beforehand? I would’ve sworn it was a 1.13 item

[slim belfry]

lore... I like lore...

[hushed comet]

debunked

i can fortunately say that I have misinformed you

[regal spire]

I can’t believe I’ve been lied to on the wynncord

[warm adder]

i wonder what kind of quest will make them change their mind and let us in

maybe we are bribing

first quest to spend more than 1 le

[regal spire]

Is the gate updated yet?

[warm adder]

hm?

[regal spire]

The fruman gate, is it still the old one, or is it updated to a newer build

[warm adder]

idk man i started playing in august

[regal spire]

Send a pic

[regal spire]

It’s the old one

Damn, it looks really nice from far away.

[spring kernel]

all of fruma actually looks like this

fruma was built with corkus and has been delayed until now to build hype

[regal spire]

Ingenious strategy

But wasn’t fruma teased back in 1.14

[spring kernel]

i mean i think the concept of fruma was created ages ago

[regal spire]

Or whenever that Jack and Jill quest was implemented

[spring kernel]

the actual region itself only started development after 1.20

[regal spire]

I do know Fruma has been a concept since before gavel’s release, but I think the first ingame mention of it was within Llevigar Library in 1.14

[warm adder]

recover the past?

[regal spire]

Nah, a really really old quest tied to Farcor, which was basically just the SD we have now

[warm adder]

wh

i dont want it to feel like corkus

[regal spire]

Back before 1.20, I believe

[warm adder]

!!

idea: update server to 1.21 and not 1.12 and incorporate new blocks

pls

[regal spire]

Just based on the look of the slums shown in RTP, I think it’s gonna be a super densely packed world

I’m super hyped for the towns

[warm adder]

i hope its not like se with one road

like are we fr

[regal spire]

Even espren is really condensed; tons of houses tightly packed together

[spring kernel]

Everyone wants this

[warm adder]

one road

[warm adder]

why wont it happen

optimization?

[spring kernel]

because it's not that easy

[regal spire]

Because Wynn is balancing on a tiny ahh tight rope, supported by hopes and dreams

1.8 backend whatever thing

I still cannot believe that is the case

I’d sooner explode than use 1.8 anything (even 1.12 anything is pushing it)

[spring kernel]

wynn has to use some funny tricks to even get 1.12 blocks

[warm adder]

huh

ig yea update of 2b2t was hard

[regal spire]

I’ve seen the level of horrible it is to do anything genuinely impressive with 1.8 backend, and I’ve been previewed to stuff like PokeCA as like the pinnacle of 1.8 command trickery. Holy hell is it horrible

[spring kernel]

those were hard for different reasons

[warm adder]

i do know nothing about how servers work

[spring kernel]

me neither, but i know that it's different

[warm adder]

wynn isnt bungeecord like hypixel which

yea

other than lobby switching

[warm adder]

when i first realized everything was basically built in a single world that surpisewd me

[regal spire]

Is it even possible to “update” Wynn to recent versions

[warm adder]

idek

[regal spire]

So that it’s not running on the old 1.8 code thing or whatever

That alone feels like it would encompass 2 major updates

[warm adder]

rekindled world part 2

wynn already looks good even with 1.8 1.12 blocks

[regal spire]

Actually, now that Fruma is gonna be released, maybe there will be enough content to suffice that kind of update

[warm adder]

@regal forge

wrong place

[regal spire]

Bro…

[warm adder]

does 50 corrupted mean you areat 50% hp

if you started corrupting at full hp

[regal spire]

I don’t think so, because you can access more corruption through certain nodes and remain above half health with 100%

Maybe sometimes

[warm adder]

o

[warm adder]

2

[warm flicker]

what do we know about Ragnar in canon?

[hybrid gazelle]

He exist

And he is a hero

That all we know

[regal spire]

He was the first person to study the outer void, ultimately losing himself and acclimating to the environment

[warm flicker]

would like a source for that chief

[regal spire]

Right here:

[hybrid gazelle]

in the next festival of the hero

we will find his rotting corpse somewhere as easter egg

[warm flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/bruh-nawh-50fps-gif-26930224

[regal spire]

We will find him dead in the Hero Festival, and ultimately feed his corpse to the suspicious rodent next Festival of the Spirits

[hybrid gazelle]

tbh I think there should be more hero out there in wynn

like

ALIVE one

consider how wynn suppose to be this hrash place that made strong warrior, I really wanna see player character not being alone in this

there Tasim and Aledar but they just starting out

[regal spire]

It’s fitting that most of the heroes have died, tbh, considering how dangerous of a field it is. I like that new heroes are constantly being made, in a world like Wynn

[hybrid gazelle]

Admiral Aegis have his own title

so he count as being a hero

[regal spire]

There’s admirals recognized for their feats, and then there’s the people we meet in The Mercenary. Then Elphalba and Lucio, debatably that girl who you can talk to in Ragni and Detlas to learn about Annie, and guys like Lari and Maxie

[digital swan]

HOW IS LARI A HERO tho.

[warm flicker]

not alive but theres been a good history of heroes in Wynn. Twain family comes to mind as the earliest, but were relatively unsuccessful in fighting the corruption. Bob and his trainers are the next ones to come to mind. After that we get the modern heroes: Ragnar, Aegis, Tasim, Aledar, ourselves

[hybrid gazelle]

because she is

she fit the description of a hero, she do help poeple out in during the decay

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah I am aware

that why I spcify the ALIVE one

[digital swan]

I mean like sure she helped out with THE PROBLEM SHE CAUSED.

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah and she still try to help

[digital swan]

kinda still her fault tho for all the lives lost

[hybrid gazelle]

causing a problem does not really discredit you being a hero when you have no intention of causing and it still try your best to help people that affected by her

so what like mess up badly just disqualify you for being evere helpful or a hero?

[regal spire]

I’d imagine that the kinds of heroes we recognize, like Tisaun, Skien (kinda), Ragnar, Ensa, the Twains, and whoever else I’ve left out, are more so products of their circumstance. I’d imagine, despite how dangerous Wynn is, it’s in a significantly better position than what it was before, after forcing innovation and bringing out the best in a lot of capable people.

[digital swan]

ye but like in sum overall 1 Crap Ton of Lives Lost

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah she did mistake

that just how it is

[digital swan]

like sure you saved some but her balance is in the deep negatives

the deep Deep negatives

[hybrid gazelle]

you talking as if she intentionally does all of that

and even then

the issue stem from Orphion giving this burden to a straight up young elf

without any guidance

that like blaming employee for accidentally cause a factory to explode even tho they never recieve instruction on how to handle machinery

[digital swan]

Skien is wild lol from the Skien Island signs

[digital swan]

ye but according to dullahan she did have the power to kill the parasite

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah that was establish but the reaosn she did not kill it because she though that not what Orphion want

because Orphion never clearify what should she do

he was absent for the entire 800 years

she believed that she got power in order to benefit everyone including the parasite

in which he never correct her flawed assumption

[digital swan]

so it's more like a factory worker with minimal training causing the factory to explode due something in their ability to solve and then claiming that since they had minimal training was not at fault (despite the issue being covered in that training)

[hybrid gazelle]

?????

in not

what trainning

she never have any trainning

she does not evne know how her power work

[digital swan]

Years 0 through 822

[hybrid gazelle]

what

during those 0 to 800 years, Orphion never mention to contact her

[warm flicker]

hey wait, between the fall of Theorick and Skien's betrayal, theres literally 0 lore. Thats like more than 100 years of... nothing

[hybrid gazelle]

wtf you mean by trainning

[digital swan]

She says she's been working for the light from before the parasite

[hybrid gazelle]

can you actually speak something that make sense or are you just gonna speak non sense

[digital swan]

In the RoL 4 iirc

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah and it never mention that Orphion guiding her

if that the case

she would not say she does not even know how her power work

[digital swan]

Ye but like. 822 years to hone your skill, plus without direct training she and dullahan still clearly know how much of a threat the parasite is

[hybrid gazelle]

Orphion been absent form the narrative in those time range

[hybrid gazelle]

how do you hone your skill when your magic suppose to be otherworldly

how do you even like

know what you suppose to do in 800 years

wihtout guidance

[digital swan]

Well she knows by 1000 AP

since she tries to kill you with it

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah because some ucking tree told her

and no

she tries to kill you because she has mental breakdown over the idea of being replace

crashing out over the fact that your god basically ghosted you and then replace you out of nowhere is fair

it's very human emotion

[digital swan]

and she knows by at least some point earlier than 1000 AP because otherwise how could she stop the spread of decay

[hybrid gazelle]

no????

She never know

what

since when

[digital swan]

so then who is behind stopping the decay from entering the light forest

if not lari

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah that was Lari making barrier

that was her preventing damage from further spreading

[digital swan]

(she claims at least that it is her, and she claims in RoL 2 i think? and the secret discovery itself that it uses Some light magic but unspecified)

[hybrid gazelle]

huh

and

what are you even trying to say

[digital swan]

well where else could she have learned that light magic

[hybrid gazelle]

like do you mean since shek now how to make barrier = she know how to cure the decay???

[digital swan]

which she uses in Orphions name

[hybrid gazelle]

I literally dont even know wtf you tyring to say

[digital swan]

I'm tryna say that since Lari knew how to make the light barrier against the Decay at some unspecified point before 1000 AP, and in at least 800 AP uses light magic directly on the Parasite in Orphion's name, she must have clearly known light magic before 800 AP and had the experience to use it, and so it is squarely her fault for ruining gavel

[hybrid gazelle]

we dont even know what that barrier thing is about

it just exclusive to secrect discovery

it not reallly been expand on

it just wynncraft case of here random thing character can do

[digital swan]

whatever it is, it Is some powerful light magic

[hybrid gazelle]

is it?

[digital swan]

how else do you stop darkness magic

[hybrid gazelle]

parasite spawns is physical being

it

it not magical being, it's physical being

[digital swan]

for A journey beyond you need light stuff to destroy the Black Geist

[hybrid gazelle]

I pretty sure any kind of generic barrier spell would work

[digital swan]

because the Black Geist is a creature of the Darkness

[hybrid gazelle]

that not canon anymore

it just stupid lore going on about

how you need rid yours oul of dark to kill dark creature

you somehow got that wrong

[digital swan]

in any case she uses a light barrier directly against the parasite

she makes a hemi-sphere over it remember

[hybrid gazelle]

we dont even know if the barrier is actaully light magic

[digital swan]

and when it fails she says that the barrier is the power of Orphion

[hybrid gazelle]

and even then if it's relate to light magic

[digital swan]

therefore light magic

[hybrid gazelle]

that does not mean she know how to cure decay

[digital swan]

idk if she has the power to cure decay but she Had the power to kill the Parasite

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah that was establish

I though we are over this

It just in that time

[digital swan]

ye so I'm saying it's squarely her fault for ruining gavel

[hybrid gazelle]

Lari though killing Parasite is not what Orphion want

[hybrid gazelle]

entirely her fault??

and not her god that been absent without guding her???

her god that could appear at anytime

tell her that hey you should kill the parasite

[digital swan]

I thought we agreed that Orphion must have contacted her at least some point before 800 and by 800 she had some formidable light magic

[hybrid gazelle]

you expect a young gir to hold burden of an entire world and expect her to not mess up

[hybrid gazelle]

no we did not

we literally did not

[digital swan]

she had hundreds of years to train up

[hybrid gazelle]

train up and what???

what trainning make you realize what Orphio nwant???

like what kind of trainning for her that allow know her to know what Orphion want her to do???

[digital swan]

ye we did she got contacted in 200 AP according to RoL 3

[hybrid gazelle]

I think this is refering to the first time she recieve power as hsown in Aldorei's secrect part 2

it did not specify the time

[digital swan]

and by 800 AP she had "Orphion's Light", presumably a spell, and was reasonably proficient at it for Dullahan to consider her capable of killing the Parasite

[hybrid gazelle]

why are you relate the idea of being profeciency at light magic = know what Orphion wnat???

I am fucking confuse

what are you trying to say??

[digital swan]

it does in the same quest
and even says that she had been contacted 2 centuries earlier

[hybrid gazelle]

It said that this onversation ahppen in 200 AP

not the event that Lari was talking about

which likely the event where she recieve her power whne Aldorei secrect part 2 happen

also btw

why are you correlate being good at light magic mean she would know what Orphio want?

[digital swan]

Where else does one get Light magic powers besides the light guy himself

[hybrid gazelle]

that not how it work that like saying I am good artist so I know what my comissioner want despite they did not tell me anything

[digital swan]

and how does one get to the light guy himself without said light guy telling her what she wanted

[hybrid gazelle]

okay and?

I still dont get what are you trying to say

[hybrid gazelle]

well because he fucking did not

[digital swan]

my guess is that Orphion told her damn clearly in 0 AP and she just misunderstood because she refused to believe Orphion wanted her to kill something

[hybrid gazelle]

just because she is good at light magic does not mean she would know what Orphio nwant

I geniunely

do not know what are you trying to say

jesus chirst and I am not even gonna continue this

[digital swan]

and because she was utterly useless to Orphion because of that
Orphion shut up

[hybrid gazelle]

omfg

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah wynncraft timeline kinda suck

honestly I actually curious how they gonna fix it

shorten the time spans might fix a lot of thing but like

IDK man it just

very messy

[digital swan]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhh shit you're rewrite man

[hybrid gazelle]

who I am is not important

[digital swan]

no I recognized the username and thought it was familiar

[digital swan]

don't a ton of the heros live for patently long lifespans like how old is Bob again when he goes to Gateway
He's born in the 800s AP no? and he disappears... 984 AP?? so he's at least a few decades over retirement age if humans there live for as long as modern humans and for medieval average :bartek:

so like surely a few time gaps can be closed that way

[hybrid gazelle]

I am not even gonna waste time with you man

[digital swan]

at least this must make sense unquestionably

[hybrid gazelle]

for ROL rewrite I am replacing the cannabis section with arrowhead

narrative this should show Lari growth since peak of her arc been push to Headless History

so now by the end of the questine, Lari should have way more refining idealogy of using violence when necessery

instead of the quick transition she has in the original ROL

looking back to all of this

this rewrite of ROL would be very resource intensive so literally like

nearly impossible to make unless the update half dedicate to it

but like this shit meant to be fanmade, I dont mind it

I gotta draw more concept art and visual to get idea across

finsihing up part 1 and it would be offically release for the public

dreaded for public release cause I fucking hate when posting big work and like "wow now I wanna go back and change it"

[drifting aurora]

yea

[warm adder]

no way its my idol

[drifting aurora]

why

[warm adder]

there is a reason for it

[drifting aurora]

ok

[warm adder]

ok nvm im just not gonna

[fervent grail]

I think that we should get to smoke weed in wynncraft

[hybrid gazelle]

There already canabis

And elves entire thing is them smoking herb and see the light

[neat oriole]

canned abis

[slim belfry]

you can also farm hemp

[cerulean osprey]

ye

[thick pivot]

well we got mushrooms

[violet vector]

The desert ultimate discovery says that Hashr released "the curse of the desert", but does anyone know what exactly happened?

Other than the royal residence crumbling, that is

[spring kernel]

The rest of the secret discoveries kinda lay it out

hashr killed his father (the emperor of the desert) but he had cursed his staff to cause a huge sandstorm if he ever died

and that kinda destroyed the civilization

they also sealed hashr in the tomb

and then he turned into a weird lion thing for some reason

[violet vector]

I see

But what exactly was hashr's motive?

Like he knew his father was lying

But that doesn't feel like it warrants a murder

[regal spire]

Hashr felt obsolete in a world ruled by one man for eternity. He was previewed to different perspectives outside of the kingdom walls, and realized that what his father was doing was cruel—I think idk how well the emperor ruled.

I’d assume he was inspired by the Wynn folk outside of the desert, and sought some kind of retribution, and a position to reflect/share what he has learned with his people. Seems like he’s a misguided revolutionist and didn’t entirely think through what would happen if he tried to usurp an immortal

[violet vector]

A Discovery mentions that the civilization found agriculture and was probably very advanced and prosperous

However, if the desert Emperor really cursed his sceptre to destroy the desert, then it stands to reason that he doesn't really care that much for his people

I guess maybe the royal family lived a lot better than the ordinary people in other areas

And hashr thought that was unfair

I mean in 1400BP people of Wynn were just peaceful farmers

[violet vector]

But there is barely any lore about before portal so anything could have happened

It's a fair theory

[hybrid gazelle]

Tbh the lore bit outdated due to how old hashr is

But I can see them fixing him later when he get remake

Some day

Like someday

Some lore still wonky like how did scepter end up in temple

Some context probably added in later when desert lore get touch on

[raw badge]

Well idk if Nemract Whiskey is the best thing for having some sort of buzz, but canned abis seems like... an experience that I should not elaborate on because although content on Minecraft is not rated by neither ESRB nor PEGI, I can definitely sense some sort of reason against having y'know, even though there was the innuendo (well, double entrede or whatever)

[violet vector]

Ya desert era was the oldest lore we get along with gylia meteor lore

But unlike gylia meteor which affects the current world, desert is just kinda disconnected with other parts

It has no real connection with anything after portal

Aside from the dungeon that is

[hybrid gazelle]

I like the idea of desert stuff connect to Fruma

cause my take on it is taht

the reason there is civilization in the desert

because those are the original immigrant that escape from Fruma and flee into the desert to escape the monarchy

and later establish their own civlization that inspire by Fruma

so that why they got the whole king only got magic thing

and I imagine later on Ragni suppose to be extension of Fruma empire

due to how close it is to the border of Fruma as if they have no concern

because they were not immigrant but more of expanding fruma border ot Wynn prvince

though when corruption war happen, fruma would close its border and Ragni left to form their own and become their own civilzation

as for sand kingdom I like the idea that

when corruption war happen

eventually all the dead people in the ruin woudl be reanimate

I would love to see Hashr as corrupted undead tbh

[violet vector]

Oh that makes a lot of sense ya

[hybrid gazelle]

when desert get remake entirely

I just imagine how hashr get remake

in my take he turn into lion due to the curse of the scepter

which is ancient Fruman artifact

and he would be imprison and left to die in the tomb by the survivors of the kingdom

that later die off or establish their own civilization that would later forgot the sand kingdom

and when corruption war happen and by the time player story take place

his corpses would be reanimated

[violet vector]

Wait hashr is actually corrupted in SST? (not csst)

[hybrid gazelle]

nope

we dont know

he just a lion because

reason

why he live for so long? no reason

[violet vector]

I mean he lived for 2400 years

And he didn't have the sceptre on him

The emperor also lived for a really long time though that could be explained by the sceptre's magic

[hybrid gazelle]

I dont think we even know how long the emperor lvie for actually

I am not sure

I rather have undead lion beastmen than whatever he is now

at least it give reason for player to kill him

also I think just make immortality connect to magic without any real meaning feel lazy

[violet vector]

Quicksand discovery states that Emperor lived for hundreds of years

Hmmm

Ya the hashr lore is kinda cursed

[hybrid gazelle]

then yeah I guess??

[violet vector]

Infact ngl csst makes more sense than sst somehow

Like looking at the dialogue

It makes much more sense

[hybrid gazelle]

the issue of hashr rn is

wtf he meant by place with magic

olms probably no longer active back then

the only conclusion I can think of is the jungle native

[violet vector]

The sceptre is just op

Thats the only (but terrible) explanation

[hybrid gazelle]

no I meant

the reason hashr kill hhis dad

because he found other civilization with magic

therefore seeing his dad as a liar

[violet vector]

I mean we barely have lore about the era