making-mods-general

[lucid iron]

isnt IE a content patcher extension framework

[thin hamlet]

Yeah i think so

[lucid iron]

so whatever applies to content patcher still holds true with IE

[rancid temple]

museum_donatable
item_type_arch
item_type_minerals
Are the accepted tags

[thin hamlet]

That might have to be because all have matching type and category

Lemme try this now

Ill keep yall updated

[rancid temple]

Have you posted an updated json?

[hallow prism]

you shouldn't add the auto generated context tags

and my bet is that you didn't do the change properly or tested them properly

[thin hamlet]

it’s not auto generating them

[hallow prism]

it is

debug listtags when holiding item

[rancid temple]

Those tags are auto generated ones, so adding them manually could cause issues

[thin hamlet]

With smapi?

Ok

[hallow prism]

(the first is fine but the first shouldn't be needed on items done properly anyway)

[rancid temple]

Context tags are used all over the place

[hallow prism]

(show what smapi says, make a screenshot of the list of tags of your item, prove me right)

[umbral vault]

https://smapi.io/json/none/1dd40265876c4690a9593338e63774ae I made a content pack for FTM for "Better Farm Cave forage" that includes Cornucopia. Would love some feedback/balancing suggestions.

I also would like to know what's a better approach for releasing mods for vanilla + supporting other packs like Cornucopia. Release one overall content pack or break them into 2?
Option 1: Works for both vanilla + cornucopia (using hasmod cp condiiton) | Imbalanced if people don't have cornucopia
Option 2: Works for vanilla + additional file for cornucopia.
Option 3: Standalone pack for vanilla and standalone pack for Cornucopia

[thin hamlet]

“Listtags isnt a valid command”

[lucid iron]

you can always do hasmod false as well

[hallow prism]

screenshot?

[drowsy pewter]

(do you have the console commands mod)

[lucid iron]

aside from debug listtags you can also use lookup anything with datamine fields on

[umbral vault]

😮

That changes everything

[thin hamlet]

Keyboard died gimme a min

[lucid iron]

hm the docs dont have example, pein

"HasMod |contains=Aimon111.MeadowsFarm": "false"

[umbral vault]

Thanks a lot 👍

[slender badger]

Plus in case you weren't aware, you can use HasMod |contains= to check for multiple mods, such as checking for both Cornucopia and Wildflour's mods

[thin hamlet]

Where do i find stardew screenshots

[iron ridge]

!saves but screenshots not saves

[ocean sail]

Use this guide to find your save files: https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Saves.

To use this command, type !saves.

[iron ridge]

there's also a button beside the take screenshot button for the folder

[vernal crest]

I always just open the folder with the button in game

So convenient

[hallow prism]

i mean, i doubt stardew screenshots are screenshoting the console which is the part i want info about, but well

[thin hamlet]

Yeah there is 0 auto generated museum donation tag

[vernal crest]

Lol true Lumi

[rancid temple]

What does your json look like now?

[vernal crest]

Though if Toni pivoted to LookupAnything a screenshot of the game might still be useful? IDK if that shows up in game screenshots

[thin hamlet]

Yeah im working on that

[rancid temple]

Is there a screenshot key? The screenshot button in the menu takes just a picture of the entire map you're currently on

[hallow prism]

well, it's time for me to do stuff that will actually have visible results, like going to buy basil

[rancid temple]

If you want to take screenshots of menus in game you need to put your game in windowed mode and do whatever you would do to take a screenshot, screen clip or whatever it's called on Windows is the only thing I'm familiar with

[hallow prism]

but really, toni, i'm not asking for you to give bit of info, i'm asking for solid info that you avoid to provide everytime, and i'm not getting why you do that to people trying to help

this could have been solved hours ago

[thin hamlet]

i need a break

[hallow prism]

yeah, see the item_type_mineral? it's related to the thing i suggested to change from the start 🙂

[thin hamlet]

Im so confused

I thought you were saying make category and group # match

[rancid temple]

item_type_mineral is one of the auto generated ones

[thin hamlet]

So it is auto generating stuff

Thats good…

[rancid temple]

So when you take that one to the museum you can't donate it?

[hallow prism]

no because it needs to be type

minerals

with a S

[thin hamlet]

Im sorry if this is something really fucking stupid and i couldve solved it in 5 seconds…

[rancid temple]

Yeah, I did want to see the updated json to see if they fixed that lmao

[drowsy pewter]

if multiple people trying to help at the same time is too confusing, maybe you want your own thread for your modding or want to ask in a quieter server

[vernal crest]

Toni does have a thread

[thin hamlet]

Let’s move there, but even changing the category to minerals did not help

[drowsy pewter]

*Type?

[vernal crest]

So for my own learning: to fix this, Toni needs to change "Type": "Mineral", in her JSON to "Type": "Minerals",?

[thin hamlet]

Yeah type

[fathom hound]

Is there a way to make cooking recipes not count towards perfection?

[drowsy pewter]

ther is not

[thin hamlet]

Didn’t help

I’m just going to take a break

[drowsy pewter]

i think thats a good idea

[lucid iron]

have you been yeeting the mineral item every time you do a change

that part's important

[thin hamlet]

Move to #1274015315990417478 if this is too much

[fathom hound]

Thanks!

[thin hamlet]

Does cjb not count?

Screw it ill be back later

[vernal crest]

As in you're trashing the existing one and spawning a new one?

[thin hamlet]

Yup

[drowsy pewter]

i think toni wants a break everyone

we can continue questions later

[thin hamlet]

I’ll post the updated json and ill leave

https://smapi.io/json/none/bef89236f18c46efb5e689f25c25a0b8

[lucid iron]

if you are making a new one, but it is just getting add to a stack, then it may also not work as expected

cjb spawn is fine, it's more about removing the old item

[thin hamlet]

Noted

Ill look later .-.

Oh wait, some categories are mislabeled
Some “Gems” have the Minerals group #

[naive wyvern]

get something nice like a cold refreshing drink toni

[thin hamlet]

Ill fix that next

[thin hamlet]

Thanks Pau, I will :p

Seeya later!

[forest moat]

i'm gonna do it, y'all. I am gonna finish writing the last like 15 dialogue lines which have been preventing me from releasing this dang recipe mod

[vernal crest]

YES DO IT

[naive wyvern]

we believe in u

[rancid temple]

I always forget the Type has an extremely limited number of things it will actually accept

[forest moat]

❤️ i appreciate it. i need the moral support. I've been putting this off for possibly weeks at this point xD

[vernal crest]

Does Stardew have any parrots on the mainland? My thought is no, primarily because of Emily's event with that one parrot. I also don't remember seeing any but that's not reliable evidence lol

Ok Katu we make a deal. You write your dialogue lines. I write my event.

Neither of us leaves until we are DONE.

[rancid temple]

I think Leo's house has a parrot?

And after you get perfection, a swarm of parrots attacks your farm /j

[vernal crest]

There aren't any living wild in the area though, right?

[rancid temple]

Not that I can recall

[forest moat]

The pact tis sealed!

[vernal crest]

I just realised I have no idea where Leo lives when he moves over.

[rancid temple]

Next to Linus

A tree house is built for him

[vernal crest]

I have no memory of this

Fun brain

[lucid iron]

parrots are new, not native to mainland yes

[vernal crest]

Excellent thank you both. Now I can just continue event writing instead of wasting the next 30 minutes looking for definite confirmation on the wiki and in the game files.

[latent mauve]

Guess nobody knew how to help here?

[vernal crest]

Oh, is your room just another location?

Because I do know how to do that.

Not if it's a cellar though. That rules it out.

[rancid temple]

I think cellar you would just establish as a decoratable location and then tiledata it like normal

Then you could change the map property to allow casks or whatever and it would appear to be a cellar functionally

[vernal crest]

No, that has been confirmed not to work...if I am remembering the whole debacle correctly.

[latent mauve]

It's a renovation that adds a room on the same level as the normal farmhouse, like the attic or dining room

[vernal crest]

I don't know exactly how renovations work but I think it'd just be about setting up your object properties.

Map properties would already be established in the Farmhouse map anyway

[rancid temple]

I'm tired of staring at this wall of text so I guess I can try. Was this in regards to changing the existing cellar or adding a new one? Because I can see how changing the existing cellar wouldn't work

[vernal crest]

It was a while ago so I don't remember many details. Let me see if I can find it.

[rancid temple]

For renovations, if you can't get the patch to take your TileData with it, you will have to manually add it through CP

[vernal crest]

Do you have your map set up to imitate a vanilla renovation, including the object properties on every tile?

[rancid temple]

Though, I thought you could

[vernal crest]

Hmm I don't know. I know you can't take map properties but I would assume you can take object properties.

[rancid temple]

Also gotta be sure you actually named each object TileData

I've made that mistake too many damn times

[ocean sail]

@rancid temple You leveled up to Rancher. That's level 250. Woot!

[rancid temple]

Oh, hm

[vernal crest]

Cheeeeeetoo tiiiiiiiime!

[rancid temple]

Weeellll, I guess I gotta go find that page now lmao

[vernal crest]

Ah ha it was Lyoko. Starts from here: #making-mods-general message

[forest moat]

what a time to be alive

[latent mauve]

Yes, I just didn't know how to make it work because it was eating the floor decoration but not changing it, and wasn't taking the wallpaper at all

[vernal crest]

Wait, that wasn't even a cellar! My brain has betrayed me!! (What's new)

[rancid temple]

I was so confused lol

[vernal crest]

If you do a patch export of the farmhouse map after you've added your reno do the object properties on your part still look correct?

[hallow prism]

(i think it can has arbitrary stuff but some things are hardcoded to only work with what vanilla knows?)

[rancid temple]

Yeah, it's just a string so it'll take anything, but there's only like a handful of vanilla types

[vernal crest]

Instead of checking the cellar thing roku can you see if a map patch will transfer tile and object properties?

I want to but I have to finish my event or Katu will eat me

[hallow prism]

i don't think it's really helpful to see it that way, and if you will, once you're rested, i can give you some advices about how to deal with that better next time 🙂

[rancid temple]

I think the problem, and it's one I face, is that people see Type and just assume it's the text that shows up in the category spot when looking at the item

[forest moat]

I only have four lines left to write before I can finally test 😄

[ornate trellis]

do i decide to suffer today and work on my event or do i continue to ignore working on my mod both very intriguing

[naive wyvern]

follow ur heart void, rest is part of the creative process

[ornate trellis]

yea but i feel like i am running out of time since theres only a week left until i work fulltime again and i already know ill be too exhausted learning new stuff to work on anything

guess i gotta do chores first and then think about if i wanna work on the event

[forest moat]

Wanna join my pact with Aba?

[lucid iron]

suffer

[ornate trellis]

thanks, chu

[naive wyvern]

whats the pact with aba actually

[vernal crest]

[ornate trellis]

btw i did realize why constance was facing upwards when teleporting to her spot...i set her up as looking up lol

[forest moat]

We must both do the thing we've been putting off, and neither of us can leave until we're done.

Or else there will be consequences

[vernal crest]

(Being eaten)

[ornate trellis]

what are the consequences

[latent mauve]

I'll check later. I know the other Tile Data worked in there because the Mirror and swimsuit changing area works

[cedar turtle]

Avoiding the censor won't help you either

[forest moat]

Oh, sorry, should I edit?

i edited

[cedar turtle]

You can just not mention such things as we block them for a reason

[ornate trellis]

ye we arent allowed to go around the word filter (learned it firsthand when doing it while joking around before afds)

[forest moat]

Sorry, I apologize. That was inappropriate of me.

[ornate trellis]

the moment i saw lassa type i was like ruh roh

anyway, guess i gotta go buy some groceries before it rains and then think again about if i wanna work on my event

[forest moat]

that's fair. may your grocery trip fill you with mod-working energy

[cedar turtle]

Yeah, you're in deep trouble Void :p

joke aside

[ornate trellis]

[forest moat]

I'm not going to lie, I completely forgot this was the SDV server, so that rule makes perfect sense. And it explains the impeccable mod attentiveness ❤️

gotta keep stuff on lock in big servers or chaos reigns

[cedar turtle]

We're omniscient

[ornate trellis]

everytime i look into a mirror and say a bad word lassa appears right behind me /j

[gaunt orbit]

[cedar turtle]

Who knows, maybe I am your shadow

[ornate trellis]

oh

So you know about that one certain thing too then, huh /j

[vernal crest]

I'm glad mods can see things that get censored because I got a message censored earlier and was incredibly confused about why but Logo was able to explain (Māori word that apparently resembles something people use to try to get around censors).

[cedar turtle]

Of course

[vernal crest]

I might've been too scared to ever say anything again if she hadn't 😂

[ornate trellis]

I think its time for a fashionable exit for me (jkjk, now i take off to the grocery store foreal lol)

[vernal crest]

And then Katu and I would never have been able to form our pact and work on our mods!

[cedar turtle]

Yeah, sometimes people are not aware things get blocked because they appear harmless.

[frigid hollow]

i remember trying to post a list from my note taking app and being confused why it didnt send (i'm a dumbass and didn't realise markdown was the problem)

it was a really long message too so i wonder how bad the spam of it was

[cedar turtle]

I once tripped the censor because I abbreviated festival role. 😅

[tiny zealot]

i tried to post a markdown link once after seeing pathos do it. i didn't know they were prohibited

[vernal crest]

All right, script for event is written! Now to actually code it

[forest moat]

Yay!

also boo. but mostly yay

[cedar turtle]

yeah, admin privileges bypass all censors.
And markdown is a bit of an odd one (you don't want to know how many people did weird things with them when they came out)

[magic leaf]

hi does anyone know if there is a beginner modding guide video in youtube or somewhere to get started on modding

[naive wyvern]

!gs

[ocean sail]

If you would like a guide to setting up mods for Stardew Valley, check out the getting started guide! https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Player_Guide

To use this command, type !gs.

[naive wyvern]

oh wrong link

[rancid temple]

!startmodding

[ocean sail]

Making mods can be broadly divided into two categories:

• Content packs are formatted text files, and don't need any programming knowledge. They can add/edit NPCs, maps, new items, shops, and more. To get started, see the list of framework mods, the wiki tutorial for Content Patcher, and there might be relevant guides on the tutorial wiki.
• C# mods use programming code to change fundamental game mechanics. See getting started with C# modding.

Usually it’s easier to start with making content packs, since you don't need to learn programming.

To use this command, type !startmodding.

[naive wyvern]

there we go thank u rokuuu

[magic leaf]

oh thanks

[rancid temple]

You won't really find any youtube tutorials

[vernal crest]

Nothing up to date, anyway

[forest moat]

I don't know of any on YouTube. It'll help if you know what you want to do/make first

[magic leaf]

yea i searched couldnt find any

[vernal crest]

Lots and lots of broken ones

[forest moat]

If you want to make a map, I can dig you up some video tutorials on Tiled, but most of the resources for learning to mod are in the wiki and this discord.

[tiny zealot]

what are you interested in making?

[magic leaf]

i actually wanted to start modding a game called root of pacha which is similar to stardew

but there is no info

so i thought i should start from stardew

[velvet narwhal]

Oh no you're ourpl

[forest moat]

Oh that's not gonna work xD

[velvet narwhal]

Goodbye soldier, I'll see you on the other side

[vernal crest]

Roots of Pacha is great but there's not really an established modding scene so that'd be waaaay harder

[frigid hollow]

you'd probably want to look for unity game modding

[brittle pasture]

why u hate purp

[magic leaf]

ahhh

ok i'll search arnd first

[velvet narwhal]

(Roku said the next role is ourple and no longer nice blue and will leave us for orange)

[rancid temple]

I don't hate purple, I just don't like it enough to put off cheeto anymore

[uncut viper]

(i also did this exact thing in here and got the ten minute bonk and wanted to shrivel up in embarrassment. then less than an hour later i accidentally tripped a word filter again (innocent sentence but unfortunate word catch) and wanted to just disappear from the server forever—)

[velvet narwhal]

I got markdown bonked

I think 3 times and before I was like, is it because my mod is tagged mature???

[rancid temple]

Poof, a dusting

[uncut viper]

feels strange seeing orange roku

[rancid temple]

Yeah it does lol

[uncut viper]

i dont like it change it back /j

[velvet narwhal]

Button we've only got aba now

[rancid temple]

Okay, lemme just quit the server real quick and farm back up to blue /j

[uncut viper]

i never forget that Aba is also blue bc at a glance/when im not paying too much attention to the channel theres a 50/50 chance i confuse Aba for you and vice versa

[vernal crest]

Waoh that is weird

[velvet narwhal]

You don't know how many times I contemplated it because this alt acc doesn't have nitro

[uncut viper]

"oh thats a blue username that starts with an A and is roughly X characters long, that must be Avi/Aba"

[brittle pasture]

The orange tide doth come for us all. Shalt you resist and be swepteth away, or shalt you ride with it forevermore

[vernal crest]

Don't worry Avi will be purple soon

[uncut viper]

not me. im gonna be purble

[velvet narwhal]

With my adhd yapping in my own thread yeah

[uncut viper]

purblest mod maker there ever was

[velvet narwhal]

I'm just not a fan of that ourpl

[rancid temple]

I like Desperado's purple, but I don't want boxers next to my name lmao

[uncut viper]

just do what casey did and work on 1.6

or become a mod

[vernal crest]

I like the idea of being purple so I can tell myself apart more easily in here

[lucid iron]

i guess you can potentially become mod jam helper?

[rancid temple]

Just make your name obnoxiously long

[lucid iron]

if they r run that again

[vernal crest]

Is there a limit on name length?

[uncut viper]

can mod jam helpers participate in their own mod jams theyre helping? ive never been around for one

[velvet narwhal]

i remember before chu was chu83479173491837

[lucid iron]

yea i think so

my name is e up to the name limit lol

[vernal crest]

This is as long as it gets

[velvet narwhal]

okay but i want the shorts next to my name that's funny

[vernal crest]

Not enough!

[velvet narwhal]

(the urge grows every day about nuking this account and coming back on my main because no nitro )

[vernal crest]

How do you know which roles change your colour? Just by peering at others with the role?

[rancid temple]

#roles

[velvet narwhal]

info has it color coded

then i'll be an extra secret cheeto though

[vernal crest]

I was looking at the roles channel but tech support volunteer doesn't overwrite so I just assumed that not all of them do

Also, once you get a higher level one the lower level ones don't overwrite either

[rancid temple]

Yeah, discord has a kind of terrible system when it comes to which color is shown

[tiny zealot]

it's just a strict ordered ranking, highest value wins. the server sets the order

[vernal crest]

I've never/rarely seen a yellow around

[velvet narwhal]

the one time i went into #programmers-off-topic and it's all just deep purples

[vernal crest]

And Ichor is both a contest winner and a festival attendee and he is still orange

[brittle pasture]

orange supercedes all

[lucid iron]

this seaver is large enough that some ppl only come here for 1~2 channels

[brittle pasture]

hail. hail. hail.

[velvet narwhal]

i don't mind the orange, but for some strange reason it feels important

[cedar turtle]

couldn't be me.

[velvet narwhal]

*as someone who lives only in #making-mods-general #making-mods-art #1263202101803352106 and my own personal thread, yeah

[tiny zealot]

oh i forgot there's a secret text channel for level 500s. i expect i'll see it one day (i'm not in a hurry)

[vernal crest]

Me. Here and art. Although I also dip my feeties into support.

[velvet narwhal]

you're much nicer than me, so that makes sense, i have 0 patience

[vernal crest]

Sometimes I go into programming off topic, fail to understand anything that's been said, cry about my chronic illness and leave again.

I'm not nicer than you but yes I am more patient xD

[rancid temple]

Well that was a mistake, tried scrolling to about halfway on the user list and it started freaking out lol

[brittle pasture]

occasionally I peek into town-square to fulfill my daily quota of psychic damage

[velvet narwhal]

i will not be baited, i will keep sane

[vernal crest]

I did a search that gave me town square results and it gave me chills

[tiny zealot]

you're so real for this

[velvet narwhal]

i will not be baited, i will keep sane

[round dock]

Psychic damage lmao

[cedar turtle]

I must admit I saw that channel way before I reached that level.
Being green and all

[uncut viper]

honestly i wish i could filter town square out of discord search results

[vernal crest]

Lassa just out here dunking on the rest of us xD

[cedar turtle]

[velvet narwhal]

maybe i saw a town square because i was looking for event coding and i immediately went into this channel instead to ask

[uncut viper]

(i know i can just filter TO channels like making mods or modded farmers but thats like, more work to type, so)

[velvet narwhal]

where's my scale meme picture

[vernal crest]

Ctrl+F!

[uncut viper]

i dont want just this channel though!

[vernal crest]

Yeah well tough :P

I just do it once in each channel

[uncut viper]

thats why i complain about discord instead bc discord is complainable about enough already, it can handle a lil more

[vernal crest]

Still faster than sifting through off-topic and modded-farmers stuff

[uncut viper]

i just wanna find all my mod related keywords like books or betas or whatnot easier if someone mentions them

[velvet narwhal]

i think i'm still too obsecure to be searched

[vernal crest]

I search my own name sometimes

[velvet narwhal]

that or i've made my mod's discord so abundantly clear that i will respond there immediately

[vernal crest]

Both Abagaianye and Aba are unique enough that almost all the results are actually about me xD

[rancid temple]

Okay, I got so sidetracked by role changing lol. Did you still need this?

[uncut viper]

something tells me my name is incredibly unsearchable in here

[round dock]

The first channel I went to when i discovered the Discord server was this (i hit a hurdle with my own mod) lol. I was lowkey intimidated by the people around the other channels lol

[vernal crest]

I mean. Need? No. Want? Yes

It's so weird going into other channels and I don't recognise a single name

[rancid temple]

I do think it's funny how many people will come to this channel first thing, like without needing help making a mod

[umbral vault]

as long as you append from: like from:spiderbuttons it should be fine

[uncut viper]

i have wondered so many times like "how did you get to this channel before #modded-stardew or #1272025932932055121 ?"

[rancid temple]

Don't even need that apparently lol

[pine elbow]

hello hello stardew valleyians

[velvet narwhal]

i immediately went into this channel, searched "event changeLocation", got nothing, and immediately just asked and mele was the one that helped me

[uncut viper]

oh i dont want messages FROM me i want messages talking ABOUT me

[round dock]

Thanks for making me comfortable with asking questions tho hehe @velvet narwhal @vernal crest

[vernal crest]

Yeah it's like googling yourself

Hello, kitty!

[umbral vault]

Oh! yeah. That's hard lmao

[vernal crest]

I await the day I search my own name and I see people talking crap about me. It will serve me right lol

[velvet narwhal]

if they're english as a 2nd++ language, i don't mind, because we're under the topic of "GAME MODDING"

[uncut viper]

(tbh its not like i didnt expect it, thats kinda actually the reason i chose "Button" as my go to username in the first place )

[teal bridge]

Pretty sure a search for "button" is going to turn up like, half the messages on the server.

[velvet narwhal]

sometimes i wish this subsection was called "Mod makers" or something

[uncut viper]

that is true... i wonder if the category would be better off named something like "MOD AUTHORS"
it wouldnt necessarily cover #programmers-off-topic but. that doesnt really fit under "GAME MODDING" either anyway

plus then itd make more sense for #1263202101803352106 to be its own channel finally—

[velvet narwhal]

campaign for it to have it's own channel!

[vernal crest]

If we didn't get a channel for support discussion I'd be surprised if we get one for creating writing lol

[umbral vault]

I remember a time when this was the only channel, no #mod-showcase #making-mods-art #programmers-off-topic I think #1272025932932055121 was also all bunched up into one channel

[uncut viper]

#1272025932932055121 being one channel was like, yesterday

[velvet narwhal]

i can see how #mod-showcase needs it's own subsection because it'd definitely get lost in here

[slender badger]

Yep, used to be one single channel for anything modding-related

[umbral vault]

I mean it was one channel for mod help too

[uncut viper]

ohh i misread, my bad

[vernal crest]

Was the server tiny back then or just chaos?

[slender badger]

It was chaos lol

[vernal crest]

Eep I am glad it's not like that anymore. Sometimes I have to go have a break when just this channel gets more than two cross-convos at once

[rancid temple]

I do several map patches to add minecarts to maps that all have the TileData objects in the tmx and they do get added to the maps correctly

[slender badger]

Also renaming the channel #mod-authors unfortunately would give the impression that only people with published mods could post here

[round dock]

Airyn!!

[vernal crest]

Oh and fireredlily said the mirror and swimsuit changes work too.

[velvet narwhal]

yeah mod-makers would definitely be more on-topic though

[slender badger]

Heya!

[brittle pasture]

mod-makers-and-aspiring-mod-makers-and-people-who-just-wanna-talk-about-making-mods-i-guess

[velvet narwhal]

i HIGHLY doubt it'd filter the "what's this smapi error i'm just trying to mod my game"

[umbral vault]

We started talking to each other with brackets when there were multiple conversations. Example: (Hi, welcome!)

[uncut viper]

(writing always getting the short end of the stick when it comes to counting for art related stuff as usual )

[round dock]

Although idk mod-makers might sound a little bit intimidating. Could just be me as eng isn't my first language but it does feel like it's exclusive to people who have already made mods.

[velvet narwhal]

(writing is a form of art, i will campaign for this)

[rancid temple]

Isn't this channel just # mod-makers-off-topic?

[slender badger]

Realistically, people are gonna end up in the wrong channel regardless of what it's called because they don't read the channel names beyond the bare minimum

[uncut viper]

could be "MOD AUTHORING" instead of "MOD AUTHORS" then!

[vernal crest]

(You could argue that discussion of it belongs in making-mods-art then I think)

[teal bridge]

I think music gets the really short end of the stick, at least people occasionally talk about writing and it has a thread.

[umbral vault]

We would be told to move to #adventurers-guild by now if it was the old times

[slender badger]

Moving #vanilla-tech-support and #1272025932932055121 up higher would be more effective, in my opinion

[uncut viper]

i might but the channel topic in there specifically says visual assets, sooo...

[velvet narwhal]

i'm scared of other topics because ya'll said town square is haunted

[round dock]

Town square is def... something

[vernal crest]

I hate it when we go too off-topic in here and then we feel like we have to move channel because I do NOT want to visit the off-topic section

[round dock]

I wanted to talk there for something off-topic and realized it was just.... a little bit of everything

[velvet narwhal]

the ONE time i got pinged for #images-and-memes because i was helping someone and it was cursed

[slender badger]

Off-topic thread in this channel?

[uncut viper]

yeah usually when someone says "this is off topic" i just think "fair! you're right. that means im done tho" not in a "HMPH fine" way just a "im not gonna leave this channel" way

[vernal crest]

Might be worth raising in the server-suggestions? I dunno. I have always felt comfortable discussing writing in here though.

[rancid temple]

My only fear with going off topic in here is that sometimes new people won't ask questions if they see people talking a lot because they don't want to interrupt

[round dock]

me^^ lol

[velvet narwhal]

(please interrupt us, we're all just fish waiting for a bug)

[lucid iron]

yes mod making amirite

[uncut viper]

sounds like somethin for someone campaigning for mod creative writing to do!

[rancid temple]

Scary metaphor lmao

[slender badger]

Although the junimos might complain if you created an off-topic thread, some of them don't like that each channel has its own culture and want the channels to merge more even though that'll never happen

[uncut viper]

in this case literal bugs. i like waiting for people to post their bugs bc usually i know how to solve them right away. the reason im not working on my own mods instead is bc i DONT know what im trying to do right away

[velvet narwhal]

honestly, i imagine us all as koi in a pond, waiting for that one slim chance for feed, and we all jump on it

[round dock]

Like when I want to ask a modding related question sb but I don't wanna interrupt so I end up waiting until the conversation is done so I leave the channel be then ultimately forget I had a question to begin with

[noble cosmos]

Hey, if I've abandoned a mod and there are updated forks that exist should I hide my original one on Nexus or just link to the new one in the description for better visibility?

[vernal crest]

I find that "don't want to interrupt" mindset very interesting.

[uncut viper]

i would just link it

[forest moat]

I would link to the new one, personally

[vernal crest]

Link it!

[rancid temple]

That's smart, I didn't even think of the secondary meaning lol

[noble cosmos]

Sounds good, thanks

[uncut viper]

especially if the updated fork isnt also on nexus, bc then it cant be searched for

[velvet narwhal]

see, koi in a pond

[slender badger]

Depends whether you want people potentially contacting you through the mod page or not

[lucid iron]

you can also give the fork's author permission to update the old page

[uncut viper]

you can turn off comments which should help a lot

[round dock]

Honestly, atleast for the "I don't wanna interrupt" notion, I just don't wanna be seen as rude and it might not be accommodated.

[vernal crest]

Plus sometimes if I feel up to it I like to download the old mod as well as the new one so the author of the old one gets DP if it's turned on

[uncut viper]

put "THIS MOD IS OUTDATED GO TO THE NEW ONE" in the biggest font you can manage on the main page

[velvet narwhal]

or as an image

[vernal crest]

No not an image!

[wanton pebble]

Even that won't work

[slender badger]

You can close comments, but that won't stop some people who'll refuse to read a single thing in your mod description and will DM you asking why your mod hasn't been updated yet or whatever

[uncut viper]

it might not work entirely, but if you remove comments then at least you dont have to know when it doesnt work

[wanton pebble]

see stuff like Multiple Spouses getting lots of downloads to this day

[vernal crest]

Using images to convey text information means that people who have vision impairment cannot find that information

[rancid temple]

Need to be able to hijack Nexus's links and make the download button actually take you to the other page

[round dock]

It's a lil funny tho when I see a mod page explicitly say OBSOLETE or ABANDONED in their mod description and some people still ask "does this mod work for 1.6"

[velvet narwhal]

oh true, i do have both on my page

[round dock]

But yeah English isn't everyone's first language so one has to take into account for that

[uncut viper]

you can also go a step further and replace the main download with a .zip that just contains a readme saying "YOU SCREWED UP"

[brittle pasture]

I think you can both hide and link to the updated one in the hidden message?

[slender badger]

Reading comprehension on Nexus is abysmal

[iron ridge]

only if its on nexus

[wanton pebble]

That would probably have to be the solution, along with a locked posts page which also links to the new page

[uncut viper]

does that make it work with nexus search though?

[iron ridge]

unless you ask them nicely (since they dont want you to promote other sites)

[brittle pasture]

yeah I assumed Nexus by default lol

[wanton pebble]

.... you'd still get DMs, but you could set up a copy paste that essentially says "hey, this is answered if you read"

[forest moat]

i know i've asked this before, but how do i do a spoiler in nexus-speak?

[wanton pebble]

in BBCode it's [spoiler][/spoiler]

[slender badger]

I don't know if you can any more since they changed it to the preset messages

[forest moat]

thanks!

[velvet narwhal]

the good old days of gaiaonline made me go through war flashbacks for my nexus formatting

[noble cosmos]

I haven't updated it for 5 years and there's still comments every release lol

[iron ridge]

they do have the ability to make it go other places though, it's just unclickable

[tiny zealot]

probably just a volume problem (pun intended). i don't think a lot of people on here have written new music for the game. (i have, and i'd wager not too many people know it)

[uncut viper]

i missed that message but yeah, i think music would deserve a channel too, if it had enough people who would use it. but yeah i was mostly meaning in the sense that when people think of "art for mods" they often dont think of writing, and i think they'd think of music before writing too, but i could be wrong

[noble cosmos]

These been 2 different continuations so them being able to post it in the comments has been helpful as I didn't login to Nexus for years

[velvet narwhal]

i forgot who suggested the collaborative music effort? was it silicon?

[vernal crest]

You stop this behaviour! 🗞️ It is understandable but this entire channel only exists because people want to help others.

[round dock]

I feel like I'm about to get bonked but in a loving way

[naive wyvern]

((i humbly interrupt and ask is there a way to do animated furniture? can this be done with calcifer))

[rancid temple]

The lightest of rolled newspaper head bonks

[vernal crest]

I always figure that since all messages go into the pot together it's not like a forum where if you jumped into someone else's post thread to ask your own question, which would be rude.

[drowsy pewter]

spaxecore

[teal bridge]

#creative says "art, writing and other creations" and is like 98% art, 1.999% writing and 0.001% music.

[drowsy pewter]

animations

[velvet narwhal]

spacecore has animated furniture?

[drowsy pewter]

spacecorw animates pretty much any tezture

[round dock]

HI Pau!!

[vernal crest]

Good that was the intended vibe xD

[drowsy pewter]

i think furniture framework can also do it but like spacecore is the more commonly used mod

[naive wyvern]

hiii CSS

[velvet narwhal]

if you do plan on using furniture framework, leroy doesn't mind pings

[naive wyvern]

okay thank you guys, I'll try spacecore for now (since I have it now anyway )

[velvet narwhal]

i'm waiting on that removal option that casey was contemplating for dynamic tokens

[marble verge]

Hi everyone. Where can I find the Tile Animation Editor in Tiled?

Oh! Never mind, I found it 🙂

[uncut viper]

(can spacecore animate textures that are larger than normal e.g. HD portraits?)

[brittle pasture]

Don't think so, but casey knows for sure

[velvet narwhal]

TargetRect - The rectangle in the target file you want to animate. Example: { "X": 32, "Y": 48, "Width": 16, "Height": 16 }

[forest moat]

Should I see if anyone wants to beta test my recipe mod, or should I just upload it and let the public do it for me? xD

[naive wyvern]

(may I please humbly ask for a mod that uses spacecore animations for furniture? i learn best with examples qwq)

[round dock]

New recipes!

[uncut viper]

i saw a meme last night and it made me wanna make a joke mod where an NPCs portrait plays Bad Apple but i didnt wanna shrink it down to 64x64

[velvet narwhal]

oh someone made an in-game video player and used bad apple

[uncut viper]

ive seen Bad Apple played in stardew before but i liked the thought of it being a portrait

[lucid iron]

does it play the song when you are nearby

[drowsy pewter]

hard yo find just gwt an example w any spsvecore animation

my iridium recolprs modbuses it

[uncut viper]

could make it play when you talk to them and the portrait appears if you add a playmusic action

[vernal crest]

My approach (do with it what you will) is that because I am going to need sensitivity reading for my mod, I am going to ask trusted people in here to beta test it. Anything I release that won't need sensitivity reading I will just release.

[naive wyvern]

oh i dont think I ever noticed //blind iudghiudfg
thank you 6480 !

[uncut viper]

(actually i dont think this would work but you COULD do it with BETAS if it had the action—)

[forest moat]

Hmm. Since I add some dialogue, I wonder if I should do this then. I don't think I've done anything too out there, as it's mostly just "thank you"s, but you never know. I feel a little awkward demanding people's time though

[vernal crest]

I am getting sensitivity readers because I am dealing with a) writing an ethnicity I don't belong to, b) writing a mental illness I don't have, and c) writing some potentially disturbing content. If you're just writing normal, G-rated dialogue with G-rated non-sensitive (i.e., not dealing with potentially upsetting concepts or trying to respectfully portray people groups you don't belong to) themes I don't think there's any need at all to get someone to check it for you. But you still can if you want to!

And I'd be happy to have a look over your stuff if you like.

I might even try playtesting if it's straightforward enough.

[forest moat]

I would love that! I think everything I've done is definitely G-Rated, but if you have the time and want to do a quick pass over it, I'd be appreciative.

[vernal crest]

Sure. Chuck it to me in DMs if you want to.

[forest moat]

❤️ will do!

[velvet narwhal]

i'm highly tempted for animated portraits now though, why button, why must you be the actual little whisper in my head

[vernal crest]

NO AVI

🗞️

[velvet narwhal]

I ALREADY HAVE 104 PORTRAITS I KNOW

[slender badger]

(G-rated dialogue can still need a sensitivity checker, stuff discussing culture or identity doesn't automatically become M-rated or anything 😅 Though I get what you mean)

[vernal crest]

Finish before school or you will be sad!

[vernal crest]

True! I worded it poorly. I'm going to go edit that.

[velvet narwhal]

me, triple checking i spelled my own ethnicity dishes correctly:

[slender badger]

Uh. Why would you even need 104 portraits 😅

[velvet narwhal]

i was given power and i regret it

[hallow prism]

have a bigger number than the npc with 101 portraits of course

[latent mauve]

I mean, last I counted there were 52 standard NPCs in Stardew, and that'd just be double, right? 😛

(I had to count when I started my Zelda NPC mod)

[vernal crest]

I have no idea if my edit is any better but I tried, Airyn

[hallow prism]

it depends. If you offer the possibility to do some nice beta test in exchange for feedback if the person has time, it's not the same unbalance as throwing them a 650 line json asking for proofreading.

[vernal crest]

It's 104 for one NPC lol

[latent mauve]

ah, I see

[hallow prism]

you aren't demanding if you offer something, it's up to people to decide if it's worthwhile

[velvet narwhal]

(.......i'm sorry to my writers, i apologize profusely, i am a fool, a--)

[vernal crest]

Because Avi has no sense of proportion or knowledge of when to stop xD

[velvet narwhal]

i'm free from that though, i swear, i promise, i'm done with the portraits, i cannot stand to look at them except for dialogue now

[tiny zealot]

also if anyone needs to know for context, avi helped us realize that 1.6 removed the 100-portrait limit

[velvet narwhal]

i even removed all of my dynamic token calls and they still work

[ashen oak]

Having too many portraits is a problem I would love to have

[slender badger]

Like, are these all just portrait expressions? Are some of them alt outfits in the same portrait sheet? I'm genuinely baffled here 😆

[velvet narwhal]

104 different "emotions" but re: it's a subset of eye color changing because i wanted a deeply expressive immersion

so in actuality, it's only like squints 26 portraits, with eye recolors x 2, and a few extra ones i threw in there for immersive expression

[ashen oak]

Use 96 of them to animate the portrait when the character talks. Do phoneme analysis. Go beyond

[vernal crest]

I feel like you could've used overlays for the eye colour changes

[slender badger]

What's the deal with the eye recolours?

[ashen oak]

(I'm sorry, I'm like this some mornings lol)

[velvet narwhal]

i definitely could've used overlays, but that was beginner modmaker me

[slender badger]

Yeah, I was about to say the same, Aba, haha

[tiny zealot]

i admire the dedication but i would probably find that upsetting to watch

[hallow prism]

hmm

i remember overlay being strange with appearance but it's not like i remember details

i think there's also a solve but... again

it's not like i remember details 😄

[ashen oak]

Is there a guide on overlays? Asking for an upcoming NPC mod

[velvet narwhal]

i don't think i want to do addmailflag for every single overlay though

[vernal crest]

Oooh animated portraits could allow for characters using sign

So much work but so cool

[slender badger]

Hey, nothing stopping you from reworking things if you want 😄 It can be helpful to revisit things with new knowledge and polish them up

[velvet narwhal]

yes but no

i do have overlays, but they're attached to mailflags and changelocations in events

[vernal crest]

Just download DSV and pour it into your brain

DSV does lots of overlays

[ashen oak]

...You know I love it when a throwaway post sparks a genuinely cool idea

[velvet narwhal]

and i don't think i want to do constant mailflag changelocation every time i want to do an eye overlay

[vernal crest]

(Where do you think I learned about them and why do you think Airyn agreed with me about them lol)

[ashen oak]

That is a valid answer, I may just have to do that

[forest moat]

I did it! I am done! I have finished Culinary Delight - FINALLY!

for a given value of finished

[ashen oak]

YAAAY

[slender badger]

DSV's HoH Haley option has her using sign, although it's not animated. Randomised and changes per expression though, so it's kind of pseudo-animated

[forest moat]

there are probably things that need fixing. but the features are complete 😄

[ashen oak]

I don't know what that is but it sounds like a food mod and I will always cheer food mods

[forest moat]

It is indeed! It adds cooking recipes for a bunch of Cornucopia good and produce

[ashen oak]

(the only thing stopping me from releasing a massive recipe mod is my extremely slow going w/ pixel art)

[vernal crest]

I always use this

[ashen oak]

YES, please give me a use for some of the cool veggies and artisan goods currently just getting sold

[forest moat]

oh that's so valid. i bought an icon pack from itch lol

[round dock]

More Cornucopia recipes YES

[forest moat]

[ashen oak]

OH SNAP I just realized you're the one who did Honey Creek Farm too, I love that map

[shadow vortex]

I am pondering the idea of making a thermal power plant machine mod. Insert coal, get batteries. Just need to make it reasonably balanced since coal is do much easier to get than batteries.

[ashen oak]

Yeah, that's a tough one to balance

[velvet narwhal]

(backtracking on the spacecore animating, i wonder if you could animate an overlay, that way making hand signs would be feasible)

[finite ginkgo]

Overlays and appearances are not exactly "being strange" but it's definitely different from before 1.6 and trips some people up. Since each portrait for the appearance system is a different target you just have to apply the overlay to all of them instead of just needing to apply it to the "main" (base) portrait etc

[drowsy pewter]

its about the amount of artwork as well as disparity eith dialogue if acyually animated

[teal bridge]

The basic issue here is that until you get solar panels, batteries are an RNG mechanic, and coal is not an RNG mechanic. So there isn't really any way to maintain vanilla balance. That's OK, though, I think pretty much by definition if you are contemplating making batteries easier to get then you are OK with changing the balance.

[lucid iron]

it should be fine to just require a lot of coal

[velvet narwhal]

true, i don't actually know how sign works except for the ASL alphabet

[hallow prism]

i see! i remember some people being lost at first and since i didn't need it since that, i was still on the "there's something special about them"

thanks 🙂

[drowsy pewter]

each swntence would havw tp be personally anomatws

[next plaza]

(In theory, maybe? But it would require a new field in the texture animation data model so that it doesn't assume you're using the same size as the original)

[drowsy pewter]

sorry, glives

[teal bridge]

If the idea is "pay money to bypass RNG" then, as chu said, just require a whole lot of coal.

[ashen oak]

Yeah, if you're overcoming RNG then sheer effort should do it

[brittle pasture]

multiple ways to balance it:

• resource cost (need lots of coal)
• upfront cost (make the machine expensive and requires a limited resource)
• time cost (make it takes time)

[uncut viper]

(idk how it works since ive never used it so idk what the data model looks like to begin with, but thankfully it was just for a joke idea anyway so im not gonna make any requests of you to add to it )

[teal bridge]

I think solar panels already lean on the time cost, also kind of the upfront cost.

[ashen oak]

I guess then the Q is, what's the goal? More batteries? Earlier batteries? Guaranteed batteries at a cost, but no earlier or in greater quantities than usual?

[teal bridge]

The only thing left is the resource cost.

[shadow vortex]

Yeah, solar panels are slow.

[quasi dew]

Does anyone know if there's a way to remove trinkets for an event?

[brittle pasture]

yeah makes sense, so your machine can afford to be faster than solar panels

[tiny zealot]

time cost seems good, since iirc batteries sell for a lot more than coal, which could turn these into a money printer

[teal bridge]

Do they sell for a lot more than coal costs to buy? I don't think it's that much?

Oops, I think I forgot to turn the ping off.

[tiny zealot]

(i don't mind pings) i don't recall and i'm too lazy to look it up

[ashen oak]

o_o Oh crap, I've been forgetting that this whole time. Is there a global setting to do that

[shadow vortex]

So it would need to be balanced against solar panels. Similar upfront cost, faster processing in exchange for the cost of the coal.

[lucid iron]

coal costs 150 (or 100 if you buy 10 wood instead) year 1

[brittle pasture]

coal is somewhat easier to acquire in 1.6 with the coal nodes and the ||statue power||

[teal bridge]

One mechanic that might be interesting is to require unusual minerals to build the battery-making machine. We were talking yesterday about how there are so many minerals in the game, most of which have no practical use other than museum donations. Minerals are a "manipulatable RNG mechanic" vs. the now-no-longer-manipulatable lightning rods.

[ashen oak]

If the thermal plants are intended to be accessible earlier than solar, that is also something to balance against, so it might still warrant a decent time cost

[slender badger]

The other problems with animated signs matching the dialogue would be 1) which sign language to use, and 2) it wouldn't work with translations

[round dock]

Oh btw a question, if I were to replace a word for a different thing, what would it require? I'm assuming only CP but you'd have to deal with strings.

[teal bridge]

You would have to invest in dives to get seed minerals and early crystalariums to duplicate the minerals required.

[ashen oak]

This is good, but you're a bit back into RNG land at that point if you need, e.g., Nekoite and your geodes just won't cooperate

[ocean sail]

@ashen oak You leveled up to Cowpoke. You can now speak in our voice channels and share images in all channels!

[teal bridge]

Yes, but omni geodes are really easy to get. If you don't have like a thousand of them by Fall 1, you're not trying.

[slender badger]

It's part of why I went with non-specific signs for Haley so that it wasn't connected to any one particular sign language to the exclusion of others

[forest moat]

i ran off to get coffee but yes, that's me! yay thank you!

[ashen oak]

Haha, true, I'm pretty laid back with my progression these days and I still hit the desert by end of winter, and once you hit desert you just can't stop getting OGs

[vernal crest]

Replace a word for a different thing? I don't know if I understand what that means. If you're just asking if you can change a word in a vanilla string (like changing "chair" to "seat" IDK) then it'd be easy with CP, yes.

[round dock]

Oh no, I wanted to do the meme mod where I replace the word chicken with chimken but I wanna take note now before I forget altogether.

[vernal crest]

Oh no? That is just replacing a word, isn't it?

[ashen oak]

OK, now that my autostash is working (read: in test phase), I gotta pick something else from my list o' mod ideas, and most of what's left requires me to actually make Art™ so . . . eep

[forest moat]

i believe in you!

[velvet narwhal]

(so that you don't get ignored, i think the farmer call is hardcoded, but i'm unsure for events)

[round dock]

Yeah 😄 I figured it wouldn't be comple cuz iirc someone said it's fairly simple.

[vernal crest]

Are you wanting to replace every instance of the work chicken or just the name of the animal?

[round dock]

Every instance of the word chicken. Like if Marnie sold me a chicken, it'd say chimken instead.

[ashen oak]

Orrrr I could try to fix Aquarism's "fish lose quality when pulled from ponds" bug as a patch so I can finish these challenging cc bundles on our game

[vernal crest]

That'd be tedious but easy with CP, I think.

[lucid iron]

you can remove the tedium if you just harmony patch dialog draw

[uncut viper]

good luck if another mod adds a line of dialogue that uses the word chicken, though. or edits the dialogue you already edited

[ashen oak]

bwahahaha, enter i18n

[round dock]

Ahhhh, then I'll just witness Avi's chimkin scene come to a reality.

[ashen oak]

Cannot wait to see that Shane event with your mod CSS

[round dock]

Charlie the chimken

[round dock]

Mod compatibility sigh

[teal bridge]

Here's my hypothetical "balanced" recipe for a battery printer, just as a starting point:

• 99 stone
• 10 dolomite
• 10 obsidian
• 10 basalt

And uses 5 coal (cost: 750 Y1, 1250 Y2) to make 1 battery, which is significantly more than the sell price of a battery, making it purely just an "RNG go away" feature.

[lucid iron]

at the point of dialog draw the string would have been resolved already

[teal bridge]

(I know, we stopped talking about that 5 minutes ago, it took me a few minutes to look up the items)

[ashen oak]

I feel like if I already have all those minerals I probably mined enough to make a jillion lightning rods and got a few rain totems along the way, but if you need a lot of battery packs then yeah

[teal bridge]

That manipulation doesn't work in 1.6 anymore.

Hence the reason for the mod, I assume.

[ashen oak]

No?

Nooooooo

[teal bridge]

No. Rain totems no longer cause storms, only regular rain.

[ashen oak]

I'm so sorry, I didn't know

I need a moment

[teal bridge]

Yeah, I know, I was heartbroken too. Shaking my metaphorical fist at CA.

[hallow prism]

hmm, i mean, if i need to explore enough to get 10 of each of those minerals i may have gotten batteries from bat 😄

[ashen oak]

I now have almost no use for rain totems, basically just to get a missing fish for the collection

[teal bridge]

I don't think so. You should be able to get at least one of each of those minerals out of 50 geodes, which is 2-3 days of exploring, and then you can duplicate them in crystalariums.

[vernal crest]

I have never used a rain totem

[hallow prism]

anyway balance is varying too much on the way people play so do what's making sense for you

[ashen oak]

Huh, didn't know crystalariums worked on base non-gem minerals

[hallow prism]

yeah well

[ashen oak]

Learning a lot today

[rancid temple]

Just need a storm totem that uses rain totems as an ingredient

[shadow vortex]

You can duplicate minerals in crystalariums?

Huh.

[teal bridge]

Of course, you have to decide whether to dedicate those crystalariums to otherwise-pointless minerals or super-useful diamonds and jades, but then that is the point, right? Balance is about having to make hard choices.

[vernal crest]

Yup

[ashen oak]

Yes, and also battery packs...wait...

[hallow prism]

that would require me to :

• remember that crystalarium do that
• want to use my crystalariums for that
• actually remember to craft crystalarium 😄

[vernal crest]

Lumi you need the crystalarium for the ||fancy amber!|| (Forgot its proper name sorry)

[ashen oak]

Yeah, seems pretty worth it to me but only if I'm going for your power plant. Nice design

[teal bridge]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Maybe I misinterpreted the basic idea but I understood it as an RNG-defeating feature and if you're trying to defeat RNG then you're minmaxing or speedrunning.

(that was in response to Lumina)

[ashen oak]

I mean you do get a freebie in there somewhere so there's that, but yeah

[teal bridge]

If you haven't crafted any crystalariums then you are definitely not on a min-max type playthrough. Which is fine, just not the sort of playthrough in which I'd look for a new battery source. Lightning rods and solar panels are good enough for casual games.

[ashen oak]

Or just irritated because that particular run completely wrecked you RNG-wise (like the time I went two entire years with like two storms ever and zero farm events)

[teal bridge]

Yeah, in my current run I have 50 batteries in Fall 1, previous run I had like 10.

[hallow prism]

oh maybe! and as i said, different playstyle makes some ideas either the musthave or things you don't care about, which is ok

[teal bridge]

And it's going to depend on whom you ask. Some runners refuse to acknowledge any mods that change the balance in any way, others might think it's OK if the vanilla mechanic is too silly, too punishing or just really boring to watch on Twitch.

(I think the debate still rages over the Predictor)

[shadow vortex]

Yeah, this wasn't really intended as a speed runner assist or tool, just as an interesting thing I could get modding experience by making

I have several ideas for more interesting and complex mods, but this would be something simple to try first.

[ashen oak]

Honestly, I'd say just make it, play with it, and see how it feels

[teal bridge]

Ah, well in any case the balance does depend on the purpose you have in mind.

[ashen oak]

All the theorycrafting in the world only lasts until the first exploit

[teal bridge]

To me balance means not just "expensive in some way" but "you will have to divert resources at a point in your playthrough where you really don't want to divert resources".

[ashen oak]

It is definitely fun when a new option makes me go "huh, maybe next run I should speedrun spamming mahogany trees"

[vernal crest]

To me balance just means I don't accidentally become a millionaire overnight

[ashen oak]

Yeah, this kinda happened to us with Archaeology Skill

Still having fun though

[teal bridge]

I'd call that less "unbalanced" and more "game-breaking" but I get your meaning.

Unbalanced is when a meta emerges, when one strategy is slightly better than all the others.

[ashen oak]

"ca nerf tea saplings"

[teal bridge]

lol, ah, the tea saplings. Fun times.

[ashen oak]

Stardew Valley, or "East Indian Trading Company Simulator 2020"

[teal bridge]

Fish smoker is one that I think was done well. It slightly edges out all other strategies in Spring 1 but you have to make significant changes to your routing vs. the traditional skull-cavern strategy. And it kinda scales until the end of Summer 1 because of targeted bait and artisan bonus.

It works because of the high investment cost, it's not just expensive but requires you to do things that would otherwise be a waste of time, like fish in the mine lakes.

[ocean prawn]

hi! i was hoping someone could help me with an issue im having with a mod im making? i'm trying to add new recipes to the game, and so far everything is working. but i wanted gus to sell some of them, and for some reason when you buy the recipe from him, instead of unlocking it, it just takes your money and the recipe reappears in gus' stock after closing the menu. i'm using content patcher. (this is my first time ever modding, so i've just been looking at tutorials and copying other recipe mods. i thought i copied it correctly but clearly not lol)

[ashen oak]

Or go all-in with like a dozen magma eel ponds or something

[teal bridge]

You joke, but I'm still working on this.

[ashen oak]

I love mods that upend my play flow entirely

[teal bridge]

Eh, magma eel ponds would be happening much later in the game than when you need the fish smoker, by 2nd week of spring.

[ashen oak]

Haven't tried for smoker quite that early, interesting

[vernal crest]

!json

[ocean sail]

JSON is a standard format for machine-readable text files that's used by Stardew Valley mods.

If you need help with a JSON file, you can upload it to smapi.io/json to see automatic validation and share the link here.

When making mods, it's recommended to edit your files in a text editor with JSON support, such as VS Code, Notepad++, or Sublime Text. These programs will check for syntax errors.

To use this command, type !json.

[uncut viper]

!json i might not be able to help, but can you upload your relevant json file here for people to take a look if they can please?

[ocean sail]

JSON is a standard format for machine-readable text files that's used by Stardew Valley mods.

If you need help with a JSON file, you can upload it to smapi.io/json to see automatic validation and share the link here.

When making mods, it's recommended to edit your files in a text editor with JSON support, such as VS Code, Notepad++, or Sublime Text. These programs will check for syntax errors.

To use this command, type !json.

[teal bridge]

Well, the main challenge is to make it to desert festival in Y1, which opens up a lot of other options.

[ashen oak]

That certainly is a challenge. Presuming joja run?

[teal bridge]

I do normally do Joja runs, but that stage is CC. Vault in CC for bus repair has almost same cost as Joja.

Same with minecarts, always do CC bundle for that.

[calm nebula]

(Late for the convo but I don't think all mods should be balanced for speed runners.)

wanders off to eat lunch

[teal bridge]

I never said all mods should, but it was specifically a question about balance.

[ashen oak]

True, and this branch of the convo probably has a better channel, as interesting as it is : D

[shadow vortex]

Yeah, if I make this mod I don't want it to be an instant money machine

[ashen oak]

(We kinda bust our speedruns a bit using challenging CC and no-joja)

[hallow prism]

can you show screenshot of ggus menu?

[ashen oak]

The good news is that you can make the mod and fix it if it's busted, the hard part will already be over

[hallow prism]

i want to see if it's the classic sap torch recipe issue

[shadow vortex]

Just trying to figure what would make it roughly balanced against other vanilla sources of batteries

[hallow prism]

"sap torch recipe issue is solved by cookie trick" (if it makes no sense you're not a true recipe modder)

[ashen oak]

Just a thought, when is this intended to provide batteries? Like if it's an endgame thing you could just require it to be placed next to lava for geothermal, then that pretty much limits it to one endgame place

[teal bridge]

I think we shouldn't overuse the term "speedrun" here, I might joke about saving 3 frames but don't actually play that way. However, the way Stardew is designed, your real "currency" isn't money, it's time, since given enough time you can get any amount of money and any other resources you want.

So that really has to be a consideration for anything involving "balance".

[calm nebula]

Also, I think balance heavily differs based on play style

[teal bridge]

If you don't care about it, that's fine.

[calm nebula]

I joke that someone should make a mod for "stardew but with the annoying delays removed"

[ashen oak]

Yeah, we play a bit differently, we run TimeSpeed with twice as much time plus manual pausing when one of us has to take a restroom break or something, more focused on just relaxing and doing what we want

[calm nebula]

Like raccoon quest

[ocean prawn]

sorry im a bit confused. you would like a screenshot of in game gus's menu?

[teal bridge]

Fast Animations?

[calm nebula]

I meant more like "theater being next rainy day after cc cutscene"

[ashen oak]

...Scratch that, it also hits early-mid game with that one floor of the mines, presuming it remembers placed objects

[calm nebula]

Or "raccoons being a 10% chance"

[uncut viper]

are those the only two annoying delays you can think of (i cant think of any more but i also wouldnt have thought about the theatre or raccoons and im curious)

[ocean prawn]

https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/2d6d2dd2b3f74d368f094e24b18a6861 like this? sorry i am so new to this lol

[teal bridge]

Per-week gift limits.

[uncut viper]

just download my book mod

[ashen oak]

See, I want kinda the opposite, friendship goes up way too fast. I wanna remove all the "everybody's friendship goes up" rewards from BB & festival and like halve all other increases. Maybe scaling it with whomever you're actively paying attention to at a given time

[uncut viper]

(yup! perfect. if you ever have a problem with somethin its always best to post your json like that in here for people to take a look at your code)

[teal bridge]

I mean, 99% positive there's a mod to just change/remove gift limits, but that's not entirely the point.

[vernal crest]

Difficult socializing mod!

https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/24389

[teal bridge]

I've never found friendship goes up way too fast... you have to give loved gifts on birthdays, ones with irid quality if possible.

[ashen oak]

That is like 90% of what I'm looking for, yes! Ty!

[vernal crest]

I have a bunch of mods that increase my friendship gain (like no friendship decay, part of the community, passive friendship, gift tastes revealer, mail services mod so I can mail gifts to people) that I want to keep because I like how they make the game feel better for me but MAN I can get everyone to full hearts in Y1 EASY.

[ashen oak]

You say that but getting like ten cut scenes in one day is a pretty regular occurrence for us

[hallow prism]

yes

[teal bridge]

But I suppose if you're playing through 4 or 5 in game years then it would seem that way.

[calm nebula]

Currently yes

[ashen oak]

Oh no, everybody is regularly maxxed by like Year 2Autumn

[calm nebula]

I don't care about "you have to do X to unlock Y"

But "you need to wait two in game weeks to do X"

[teal bridge]

Hmm, that doesn't seem like it'd typically happen unless you're hitting every birthday and doing the Qi friendship quests.

[vernal crest]

I am in year 3 and I have about 90 NPCs at full hearts

[ocean prawn]

ok! one sec

[uncut viper]

i dunno where the theatre unlock code is but the raccoon one would be an easy patch, at least

[ashen oak]

We hit most birthdays, but the rest is just from not missing daily quests and from talking to people

[teal bridge]

In a Perfection run, hearts are a major blocker.

Oh yeah, forgot the daily quests, I never pay attention to those.

Talking to people? Ain't nobody got time for that.

[ashen oak]

Bahaha yeah we deffo have different playstyles

[brittle pasture]

This looks fine to me. Can you also post the object definition just in case?

[uncut viper]

(tbh if you/someone just happened to know where the code is that checks whether the theater will be struck i could probably whip it up this evening)

[vernal crest]

I just want to be clear here so I can be respectful in my language use about you, I hope that's okay, but you're not talking about "we" as in a system, are you?

[ashen oak]

Honestly the only rough ones we have heartwise are the NPCS we just don't see much, like Gunther (SVE) or Lance (SVE again)

[teal bridge]

I didn't really "get" the raccoon bundle either. I thought it was neat when I saw it, being forced to find these weird/unusual items, but the rewards were pretty underwhelming.

[calm nebula]

I assume "we" as "multiplayer group" firsr

[teal bridge]

(lol, I'm pretty sure she's talking about co-op)

[ashen oak]

Yeah we play co-op

[calm nebula]

Hate to admit this

I've only ever gotten two raccoon quests in

Guy needs to find himself a wife faster smh

[ashen oak]

I have never done any yet

[vernal crest]

Okay. I didn't think you were talking about DID but I've never seen anyone using plural first person in here to talk about playing so I wanted to be sure.

[ashen oak]

Hopefully that changes this run before we tableflip and start over

[teal bridge]

Yeah, it's expensive just to even start the quest (that's a lotta hardwood).

[vernal crest]

I like seeing the changes to the tree

[ashen oak]

Hahaha no, sorry, though I know some folks who do and that's cool

[vernal crest]

Don't care about the rewards

[teal bridge]

And then you have to get weird items... and then wait for some indeterminate period of time... and then wait some more...

[ocean prawn]

(im using placeholder ppja sprites while i figure stuff out before making my own btw)

[calm nebula]

A week

[ashen oak]

At the risk of the obvious, is there a good mod for changing those rewards, and if not what woudl you award?

[vernal crest]

I would never, ever, ever speedrun Stardew. It would suck all the fun out of it for me. Talking to NPCs is what I mostly play for.

[velvet narwhal]

(i'm currently digging into abandonedjojamart.cs i'll let you know if it's in here)

[calm nebula]

I think we wait too long between raccoon quests

[hallow prism]

can you hover over the recipe? sorry forgot to mention that earlier

[calm nebula]

The idiot also wanted the new snow crop and my save is in fall

[ashen oak]

Mmm, unagi

[teal bridge]

Didn't check to see if there was a mod for raccoon quest rewards. I'm not sure what I'd expect from it, as it is kind of late-game anyway.

Maybe CA couldn't think of anything either and that's why the rewards suck, lol

[hallow prism]

(i wonder if racoon quest has flags and you could use them to have some extra rewards)

[calm nebula]

(See I don't care about different rewards yet. I don't want to spend a week twiddling my thumbs)

[ashen oak]

Yeah at that stage I'd almost have to hook into game extending mods like SVE or make the rewards more narrative focused

[hallow prism]

hmm, i don't know if they suck, i think it's a nice addition for casual players that want a bit more things to do/discover

[ashen oak]

But I'll think about it more after I actually do that quest line once X D

[vernal crest]

I like how long the gap is between raccoon quests. It feels like a nice little surprise every time I remember they exist and there's something new to do but the gap forces me to not try to achieve it all too fast.

[hallow prism]

sometimes we aren't the target

[teal bridge]

But it's an in-game week, if you're not playing for any specific challenge or goal then just go to bed 7 times?

[vernal crest]

Sorry if I forgot to turn off ping atra

[calm nebula]

(Also to be fair all my "playing" for the literal last year was "playtesting", like Monday mayhem, so if your idea of balance is screwed mine is worse.)

[ashen oak]

That would break me X D

[calm nebula]

I don't like doing that!

[ashen oak]

My poor animals

My cat

My spouse(s)

[calm nebula]

So instead I ignore the game for...months

[ocean prawn]

huh i dont remember it asking for ice cream???? but now i cant remember if i just didn't see this before? strange

[uncut viper]

(wait, you dont need to wait for anything for the movie theatre if you go the joja route, do you? where does the theatre even go?)

[teal bridge]

Theatre replaces CC.

[calm nebula]

Theatre takes the Cc area

Is all blue too

[teal bridge]

(After being replaced by Joja warehouse)

[ashen oak]

That is an . . . interesting recipe for a roll haha

[uncut viper]

so much for needing the warehouse space

[teal bridge]

You don't have to "wait" for movie theater but you do have to fork over the $250k or whatever it costs to complete the entire Joja set.

And then fork over another ungodly amount for the theater itself, I forget how much that is.

[brittle pasture]

Ice cream is 233. Your recipe has 233.

[calm nebula]

Half a mill

[hallow prism]

it's possibly a typo, those happens

[teal bridge]

Yeah, I did that at one point because I just had the money, but I don't think it's required for Perfection.

[hallow prism]

at least it's not the torch issue

[calm nebula]

Tbh I never do joja

I've also only have three real saves

And 847648384 testing saves

[ocean prawn]

ah wait yes that should be the rice code oops

[hallow prism]

it also doesn't tell us what the issue is so... hmm

[brittle pasture]

anyway as I mentioned earlier your json looks fine. Can you post your object definition?

[hallow prism]

i'm not sure what's happening

rice is 423

[ocean prawn]

oh yeah sorry one sec

[velvet narwhal]

(so wait do you want the lightning strike for the theatre or was this about joja route? i wasn't paying attention and i was already digging through junimos )

[ashen oak]

Still, that shoudn't cause the recipe to just not be learned

[fathom hound]

Grats @rancid temple !!! finally orange like you’re meant to be!!!

[teal bridge]

Honestly, really the only major "bottleneck" removed by Joja is the Greenhouse, which you can kinda do without since 1.5 (Island).

[hallow prism]

the issue rings a bell, i think someone else had a similar one

[calm nebula]

I think the last person who had that issue did something with actions

[ashen oak]

It might cause you to be ritually killed by a secret dojo of sushi chefs, but it shouldn't cause you to not learn the recipe

[hallow prism]

sadly, the solution escapes me

[calm nebula]

Can you try the 1.6.9 beta

[hallow prism]

ah yeah possibly

[ocean prawn]

https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/9a50981f5ab547728c41b20f0d35a6d7

[hallow prism]

it was like, the weirdest thing

[uncut viper]

I was looking for what determines whether lightning will strike the theatre to give you access to the bundle!

[teal bridge]

(Obviously you have to finish all the CC bundles and therefore get the greenhouse before you can get to the island, it's just not that important in and of itself anymore)

[ashen oak]

That does sound weird, like buying recipes is a pretty common CP right

[calm nebula]

What is your mods unique ID

I know now

[hallow prism]

i swear to god it looks like some hardcoded thing

[fathom hound]

There’s a cooking mod I know of that has recipe buying in it

[calm nebula]

It's because the code that handles recipes is Fun

[fathom hound]

And it’s CP

[hallow prism]

like when i had some crops becoming forages because of index of the crop

[calm nebula]

Do you have the word "Recipe" anywhere in your mod id

[ashen oak]

...what

[ocean prawn]

yes

[ashen oak]

oh no.

[calm nebula]

Exactly

[ocean prawn]

ooh

[ashen oak]

you're kidding

[calm nebula]

(Pretty sure this is fixed in 1.6.9)

[hallow prism]

atra to the rescue

[uncut viper]

that's hilarious in a frustrating way

[ashen oak]

runs off to ILSpy in morbid curiosity

[thin hamlet]

Bacc .-.

[ocean prawn]

so changing that should fix it?

[calm nebula]

Hopefully

[teal bridge]

I'm tempted to look, but I've learned my lesson about that.

[ashen oak]

OMY

That is amazing

[teal bridge]

"Don't ask questions you don't want to know the answer to."

[hallow prism]

so what's happening? the shop is selling you a recipe of the recipe?

[ashen oak]

I mean it's fine if you know nobody's modding your game buuut

[ornate trellis]

i lost motivation to work on my event after coing hime but now I am back at it :B

[hallow prism]

after coing hime?

[velvet narwhal]

{
    this.showDestroyedJoja();
    if (Utility.doesMasterPlayerHaveMailReceivedButNotMailForTomorrow("abandonedJojaMartAccessible"))
    {
        this.crackOpenAbandonedJojaMartDoor();
    }
}``` (town.cs line 611? and i found abandonedjojamartaccessible is correlated)

[ornate trellis]

still thinking bout how to make this simple talk cooler lol

[calm nebula]

Molligru, do you want to inform the crowd?

[uncut viper]

tbf i don't think CA would know people were modding the game when recipes were first added

[ornate trellis]

HOME

augh wrong reply

[hallow prism]

(i don't get half the word of this sentence)

[ornate trellis]

I came home, not hime omg

[hallow prism]

ooooh

[ornate trellis]

earlier I stated that i was going to get some groceries

[hallow prism]

i see!

i am really bad at processing typos in english

[ornate trellis]

hjedsfdsf I swear i did nothing to hime

[uncut viper]

is there a rain check somewhere around here? (Im not at my computer right now to check in ilspy myself)

[ashen oak]

Guessing this has something to do with it
||```
if (!craftingRecipes.Keys.Contains(name.Replace(" Recipe", "")))
{
return cookingRecipes.Keys.Contains(name.Replace(" Recipe", ""));
}
return true;

[ornate trellis]

unfortunately I am very great in making typos...

[ashen oak]

(will delete if that's breaking any guidelines)

[hallow prism]

(i don't believe it is? usually bit of codes are fine)

i am glad this mystery is solved at least 😄

i remember i helped the other person with the same issue, and my help was basically "wtf i have no idea why it's happening"

[ashen oak]

Nice catch atraknits (and whoever figured it out the first time)

[hallow prism]

"can confirm it's not working as it should, thing's haunted"

[ocean prawn]

omg it worked, thank you guys so much!

[brittle pasture]

The game gets the name of the recipe to unlock by trimming the "Recipe" string inside the internal name (if it exists) and everything after it

[velvet narwhal]

{
    return new WorldChangeEvent(12);
}```
utility.cs line 4393?

[calm nebula]

It was incidentally fixed in 1m6.9 as part of performance improvements

[ashen oak]

(need an emoji of a pufferfish loading a slingshot to react properly to this)

[teal bridge]

The only thing I'm still puzzled about is why Recipe in the mod ID would make a difference, as that code is dealing with the item name.

[brittle pasture]

They're using the mod id token

[hallow prism]

pretty good too 😄

[uncut viper]

hell yeah, thank you very much!

[ashen oak]

Close enough

[teal bridge]

Oh, well that would explain it.

[hallow prism]

and since it's not obvious it's even harder to spot

[ocean prawn]

i dont think i would have ever figured it out on my own haha

[calm nebula]

In particular. The game has two or three places and they are handled subtly different

[ashen oak]

Glad it's fixed in any case, and with a perf bump to boot

[velvet narwhal]

(i forget, how do pipes work in c#? is that an or concept or is that and)

[thin hamlet]

Gems/Mineral Categories now matched with the proper group #’s or whatever (-2/-12)

[calm nebula]

| is a bitwise or

[hallow prism]

i want to let you know that, usually, content pack are way more friendly in letting you fix issues because usually they are your fault. Here it's just, unfortunate situation.
(also if you ever get the sap and wood recipe in cooking menu there's a fix for that)

[ashen oak]

(so many string ops in the code I sometimes wonder how much the perf profile is a "mayo spread" situation)

[calm nebula]

|| is or

[ocean prawn]

good to know! also now i am kinda scared to see that lol

[teal bridge]

Strings aren't necessarily so bad for performance, just maintainability.

[ashen oak]

Not usually, but they can add up with enough of 'em. It's not something I'd look at as a first-pass (three rules of optimization)

[calm nebula]

(Also this wasn't figured out before. I don't even have game code in front of me. I just remembered.)

[teal bridge]

I've seen more perf degradation due to people doing bad things in tight loops, like scanning lists of 1k items for every object in every update tick.

[ashen oak]

Yup

Hence Rule 3

[calm nebula]

I remembered because i looked at the code months ago going "why is this inconsistent"

[teal bridge]

Rule 3? Stardew has rules?

Oh, I missed your "three rules of optimization" reference

[ashen oak]

Sorry, I'm old: https://wiki.c2.com/?RulesOfOptimization

[teal bridge]

Yeah, I eventually got the XP reference.

I've usually leaned on the 2-rule version.

[paper sundial]

(I have an extension which shows IL while editing, string interpolation is many more IL instructions then simple "String1" + "String2")

[ashen oak]

Yeah, usually 2 is enough, but in game dev one eventually hits 3

[teal bridge]

It's true, but "number of IL instructions" != "overall performance".

String interpolation is much slower than you'd expect. It also matters a lot less than you'd imagine.

[ashen oak]

Yeah, don't measure instructions, measure what you actually care about (in this case time spent not doing other things)

[lucid iron]

in this case it's more that recipes is still one of them old string assets and not a nice data model

[teal bridge]

It's like enums in .NET. I love libraries like FastEnums. But really, in most cases they don't make a big difference.

[ashen oak]

"Look how fast I can sqrt" ...yeah, maybe don't sqrt in the tightest part of your loop unless you absolutely have to and nobody will care

[thin hamlet]

Still nothing

[brittle pasture]

let's just fold spacecore recipes into the game

[thin hamlet]

#1274015315990417478 im moving this to there

[ashen oak]

From your lips

[teal bridge]

I won't wander too far off-topic but "funsafe" from a few days/a week ago in #programmers-off-topic applies perfectly there.

[lucid iron]

oh selph i remember you having some kind of fix for better crafting

[brittle pasture]

yeah i put it here for review: https://github.com/KhloeLeclair/StardewMods/pull/34

[lucid iron]

was it about spacecore recipes not getting their cooked numbers correct

[brittle pasture]

no that's different

My fix is just for a niche interaction with YACS

[thin hamlet]

Does the name have to have a number for the id? Is there a specific item tag I am missing on my rocks???

[lucid iron]

oh darn this is smth else then

[rancid temple]

You changed all your Type's to Minerals?

Your gems should be Category -2 and your minerals should be -12

But all their types should be Minerals

I guess I should move to the thread

[brittle pasture]

(I'm still irrationally proud of this tbh, since it required me to read the source code of 3 different mods to figure out what was wrong)

[calm nebula]

Is this still true net 6 and above?

I mean, slower than simple string concat

[teal bridge]

I believe so, yes. Even just writing $"{foo}" will new up an interpolator and make a bunch of method calls.

[thin hamlet]

Much confused, please do

[ashen oak]

I guess they followed the Rules of Optimization when implementing string interpolation : D

[teal bridge]

But again, doesn't really matter in practice. How much cheaper is it to write "foo" than new StringBuilder().Append("foo").ToString()? Not enough to make a difference most of the time, and it's the same for the interpolator thing.

[ashen oak]

Yeah, anyone who really cares about the perf difference would probably be better served not using strings here in the first place

[teal bridge]

That said, things can start to make a difference with string interning, ReadOnlySpans and such, but I still wouldn't recommend them to most modders without a lot of programming experience.

[ashen oak]

Okay, really gonna go look at that Aquarism bug since the author is out

Gotta fix my faulty fish breeding program

[teal bridge]

I can recall exactly one case I ran into where strings really were painful, and that's where I had a dictionary with a few million entries where the keys were all file paths, most of which, as you might guess, were duplicating large parts of other keys.

[lucid iron]

[paper sundial]

A few million...

[next plaza]

@ me currently storing filepaths as keys in a dictionary (though it won't reach anywhere near a few million entries, thankfully)

[vernal crest]

I can't believe it has taken me this long to see that VSC has a character count.

[rancid temple]

Huh, I don't

I guess I can see how many I have selected

[vernal crest]

Oh yeah that was what I meant

For trying to figure out where to put my stupid dialogue line breaks.

[thin hamlet]

(GUNTHERRRRRR!!!)
Its fixed!

[teal bridge]

In some other games, mods tend to have all their files unpacked, so in a modlist with a few thousand mods, and some percentage of those having thousands of files, it really could get up into the millions. And of course, I had exactly the same expectations going in and later surprised reaction you two did when I was trying to wrap my head around the memory issues, "why is such a simple app using several gigabytes of RAM"?

So yeah, if you're storing or processing millions of strings, worry about performance. Until then...

A few orders of magnitude lower and not really worth bothering with optimization. If you notice your app/mod/whatever using hundreds of MB or more, you might want to start tokenizing and caching those paths.

[calm nebula]

What, do you not have several GB of spare ram anyways?

How much does ram cost these days anyways, like ten bucks?

[velvet narwhal]

Considering the latest Intel cpu is only $400, probably $30 for a 64gig

Usd*

[teal bridge]

So, you're probably being facetious, but two things:

(1) it came out in 2021, when RAM was at least slightly less cheap
(2) it's for a game that's the same age as Stardew so no small number of players have potato PCs.

As far as the price, 64 GB will run you about $150-$200 for something actually decent, maybe $100 for junk.

It's the same with storage. I try to say "if you're managing 250 GB of assets at a time on an old-school 7200 RPM or god forbid 5400 RPM spinny clicky HDD, shit's gonna be real slow". But do you think that stops them? You have two guesses, and the first doesn't count.

[sacred sluice]

Hi guys, i saw that now we can ||have more than one pet in the game, but it seems that the pet license is really expensive..|| is there anyway to turn it more cheap? like a mod or something that i can change by myself.. 🥺

[lucid iron]

trival solution is to cheat yourself more money

[uncut viper]

though it would be very easy to change the price with content patcher too

[vernal crest]

Chue before I read the spoiler I thought that was in response to focustense's message lol

[lucid iron]

well i mean...

[teal bridge]

We also don't generally spoiler stuff in here, I think it's understood that folks making mods have either played through the content or are going to come into accidental contact with spoiler material anyway.

[gray bear]

where is data for item prices even stored

[lucid iron]

yes if you want to do that just edit Data/Pets

[gray bear]

u know what i was looking at data/shops

[lucid iron]

AdoptionPrice i think

[vernal crest]

Although I have managed to stay pretty ignorant about some of the new 1.6 stuff like trinkets and golden crackers, I have to say

[uncut viper]

for pets the price is set by the pet data yeah, not the shop entry

[sacred sluice]

Oh okay, sorry, it's just that i copied that message from another chat 😿

Thanks guys!

[gray bear]

no need to apologize really

yeah just uhh read the content patcher docs and get.. patching(?)

[next plaza]

That iamge has spoilers

[gray bear]

how could u do this

[next plaza]

Mwahahaha for real (my test file that I'm fine with showing)

[gray bear]

penny seems right

[teal bridge]

What were the spoilers, the uh... cat thing?

[next plaza]

Well that would be spoiling now wouldn't it

[teal bridge]

That's why I obfuscated it.

[next plaza]

(Content file from MMR, it won't be out for a while)

[teal bridge]

Not sure I even noticed that. Just looked at all the red.

[next plaza]

I got it working with multiple errors 🙂

[teal bridge]

So I see. What's with the end; though? That's giving me some serious Turbo Pascal vibes.

[next plaza]

That's the end event command

[teal bridge]

And it's optional? Events can not have an end?

[next plaza]

Not really, but there are different types of end commands

Like warpout I think

[hallow prism]

yeah there's end dialogue end warp out and such, don't remember exact commands

[next plaza]

S&S does abuse the event system a little with an event that doesn't end

For the finale stuff

[teal bridge]

Events sure are weird.

[sacred sluice]

I found it, but now I have another question!
If I have additional mods that give me different cat/dog breeds, i'll be allowed to buy them? If yes, it will change their price too?
(btw sorry if i said something wrong, english is not my first language and that's the only server that i found that could help me 😅)

[lucid iron]

you have to change the price per breed

[teal bridge]

That's really going to depend on the specific mod. Also seems like a question for #modded-stardew.

[sacred sluice]

Okay, thank you! :3

[vernal crest]

We don't have a channel for helping with off-topic computer support, do we?

[calm nebula]

No and we shouldn't

[vernal crest]

Cool just checking

[calm nebula]

Go to #adventurers-guild or #programmers-off-topic

[vernal crest]

I am pretty sure the person has just DMed me to ask me to buy the game for them

So I am not super inclined to send them anywhere else in the server for help at this point

[gray bear]

uh

what the fuck

[naive wyvern]

what-

[lucid iron]

steam's got their own support team right

it's really not this server's problem

[thin hamlet]

Howdy! As promised, once I returned, I would update museum functionality!

Turns out it was bad categories, and now that that is fixed, both versions now have museum functionality AND fancy new unique log IDs!

The Extra Museum Space mod is highly recommended.

Enjoy! https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/26606

[gray bear]

oooh funky

[gray bear]

that uh, breaks rule 10 i think

[naive wyvern]

its bouncer time !

[next plaza]

Ha, it dies on my actual MMR content. Why in the world is it trying to load just directory climbing (file:///..\..\..\..\..\..\..\..) as a file...

[vernal crest]

Hmm you're right. I must ask clarifying questions.

[marble verge]

Is there any way to force a reload of assets? A map I'm editing refuses to load a new addition to the tilesheet.

[formal crown]

You can try patch reload command, maybe?

[marble verge]

Never mind, I'm a total idiot.