archived-update-spoilers

[misty oracle]

So I got a question; am I able to convert my Master enchantment from my fishing rod to the new fishing rod? Or do I need to spend another rainbow gem thing to get it :(

[short cloud]

Unfortunately I don't think you can. 😦

[misty oracle]

[green gyro]

what mastery after farming?

[misty oracle]

atleast i have some rainbow gem boys left over

[short cloud]

I went with combat personally, but its up to you! Whichever you'll probably use most

[brazen oar]

whats the best trinket(s)?

[proven flume]

Y'all is farming lizards a good way to make money now? Since there is a book that buffs the price in 3x I think

[brazen oar]

u have to spend another one

[cosmic lotus]

Wow did I get lucky or is this normal from golden fishing chests?

[misty oracle]

i want golden cow as a pet

[short cloud]

Frogs. At least to me lol, but more from an aesthetic point of view. I love them little froggies, and I can put them in tanks. Otherwise, all the other trinkets have decent uses. I'm finding myself using the magic quiver a lot. Its really just a preference thing.

[misty oracle]

i want to give him a bowtie

[green gyro]

can you troll your friends by putting cursed mannequins in their house

or does it not work

[midnight knoll]

Yes

[feral lintel]

Yall what’s the possum rat thing that runs from u in the bus stop

[bleak current]

just a new random critter like the squirrels and rabbits. It is a possum

[feral lintel]

Oh ok thank you

[short cloud]

I still haven't seen the opossum

or the truffle crab

[feral lintel]

It kinda scared me cause i haven’t seen it and wasn’t expecting it

[green gyro]

same

must be rare cause i have a ton of pigs

[short cloud]

Yeah so do I

[stark glade]

is there really no other child bed option

whole place themed but I'm stuck with these white sheets

[bleak current]

Sadly there is only the one Child Bed for unmodded game.

[midnight knoll]

Just dont give them beds

[open basin]

They gave us more pet bowls for a reason

[stark glade]

I need to ping concernedape 72 times for this

[open basin]

If I had the chance to suggest one(1) thing to CA it'd be to pet my chickens like Shane

His sprite picks the chickens up

[stark glade]

:)

[open basin]

: )

[stark glade]

???????

that's the 3rd and 4th one in 5 days

[woven tusk]

Well, do you normally grow this many mergeable crops at once?

[short cloud]

Full mastery achieved!

[stark glade]

my pumpkins will stay the whole season without turning into mega crops this much

is the chance bigger when they finish growing?

[woven tusk]

Well, Qi fruit have an advantage in that they are done much more quickly than pumpkins as well

[short cloud]

I just trashed my old iridium fishing rod. It feels so weird lol

[stark glade]

still have my training rod in a chest

[short cloud]

I mean same, but those are good for getting trash items if you need them

so I keep it around

[open basin]

I keep everything around

[gray oriole]

if u need trash items training rod works

[open basin]

The guild is just so... so far away : (

lol

[stark glade]

I mean you can just fish in the farm ponds for that

[woven tusk]

Trash catches are useful for another reason

Jelly.

[short cloud]

Yep ^

[sharp meadow]

finally got a legend catch that got me 2 fish and 2 roe. hopefull the last 2 legendary will be quicker.

[short cloud]

First golden treasure chest..... lol. I was so excited and then just

Second golden treasure chest gave me a pearl though o:

[unique shell]

My first and only golden treasure chest gave me a golden animal cracker and a shrimp cocktail :O

Makes up for a week of looking for an octopus

[sharp meadow]

I've gotten fairy dust pretty consistently. was really useful for shipping completion

[short cloud]

Nice! I've only gotten the 2 golden chests so far

[sharp meadow]

at a nice % of perfection now.

[dapper mica]

By how much does the treasure appraisal book increase the price of artifacts

[open basin]

I like how Penny doesn't show the annoyed/bothered emote when the farmer is digging the trash

She's just ?? why

Yes Penny we do have a good reason to, thank you for that

Or that's just random
Well it was cute

[short cloud]

It triples the sell price! Its AMAZING for dino eggs

Just got this from a normal chest lmao

[dapper mica]

Mmm still significantly worse than a chicken, but you don’t need to turn anything into mayonnaise.

[bleak gale]

Not entirely sure if it’s and update thing, but I got a trash Catalog!

[short cloud]

Yeah true, but still good for sure

[short cloud]

Nice, congrats! It is apart of 1.6 so yep. Also its a 0.2% chance to get it too I believe

I've gotten 3 of them already oops

[bleak gale]

Oh cool! I had fun placing trash outside Clint’s house

[short cloud]

Lmao nice

[stark glade]

this is the most beautiful thing I've ever seen

[stark glade]

it is, it was added in 1.6

[hushed glade]

The best catalogue in the game

Other than Junimo

[silver magnet]

time to amake money.

[jovial dune]

dunno if you got them yet, but I got the last two journal scraps from the Dig Site almost immediately after I went around and made sure I'd found the treasures shown in all the others

[gray oriole]

neat

[stark glade]

small little haul

[jovial dune]

year 3 and I'm just now incubating an ostrich egg >_<

those are rookie numbers. you gotta pump those numbers up

[unique nexus]

should i make lava eel bait to catch more or is it not worth it

[jovial dune]

eh well lava eel is uncommon and trash uses up bait, it could be a waste

[stark glade]

as much as this is great, that's a whole year's worth of grinding wood, iron, copper, oak resin (therefore hardwood and radioactive ore) just for the ancient fruit keg farm

[jovial dune]

I was just teasing 🙂

[stark glade]

oh and not even counting the 600 qi fruit that's just there for the ride lmao

[unique nexus]

oh can you catch river jelly in the lake by the mines or only in the flowing river

[jovial dune]

the lake works

[woven tusk]

Yeah, I got quite a few while going for Sturgeons there

[short cloud]

you can catch river jelly there. I believe thats where I got my first one lol

[jovial dune]

it's basically just saltwater jelly, freshwater jelly, cave jelly

[unique nexus]

i thought so thx

[stark glade]

so uhh does anyone have that cooking spreadsheet

[nimble turtle]

the ingredients list or the complete recipes?

[stark glade]

ingredients list if you have it please

pretty sure there was one with a calculator too

[nimble turtle]

this is where i got it before but it hasnt been updated yet i have it doesnt have a calculator https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Cooking#Ingredients

this is the one with a calculator dont know if it is accurate either though https://listium.com/@Catquach/81923/stardew-valley-cooking-ingredients-checklist

i dont know if either has the new moss soup

please let me know if thats what you needed

[green gyro]

are the colored wines new to 1.6

[finite horizon]

Yes

[short cloud]

Yep

[green gyro]

i remember them being all purple but i might be misremembering

[stark glade]

wines and aged roe

[flat gulch]

It's been 12 days of summer
WHY AM I NOT GETTING ANY MOSS

[stark glade]

you need 104 days

[green gyro]

did aged roe really not keep color before

[finite horizon]

Colored wine, jelly, pickles, and juice are new to 1.6

[green gyro]

oops wrong reply

[finite horizon]

Aged 4oe had color before

[green gyro]

yeah that's what i thought

[stark glade]

ah yeah I meant to say juice

[flat gulch]

WHY IS GETTING MOSS SO GODDAMN IMPOSSIBLE

[green gyro]

it's just a random day in summer

[acoustic lagoon]

is there something i can do with extra trinkets besides selling them?

[flat gulch]

Why should I have to wait for 1 day of the year?

When I need like 300 moss for a goddamn recipe

That's just asshole design

[nimble turtle]

have you used a scythe on the mossed trees yet?

[chilly bloom]

I dislike this

Also trees have to be considered “old”

Which takes a while

[tender meteor]

I guess I was lucky to have mine saved up. Did you get any mossy seeds?

[open basin]

If I forge my gold axe, the 'buff' will continue when I upgrade to iridium right?

[gray oriole]

It literally grows on trees

[nimble turtle]

if i bring a lava eel up to 10 lava eels then catch 9 of them does that mean i have to do the quests for them over again?

[gray oriole]

Nope

[nova beacon]

no

[gray oriole]

Capacity stays raised

[nimble turtle]

k thanks

[flat gulch]

On one day of the year

[gray oriole]

No?

[flat gulch]

I have a whole farm of trees. Not one of them grew moss until green rain day.

[gray oriole]

It grows on trees older than a season, consistently, throughout 3 seasons of the year

Well not mystic trees

Those are excluded for whatever reason

[flat gulch]

Then how come the wiki never said that

[chilly bloom]

Isn’t fully updated

[gray oriole]

there are only so many wiki editors ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[chilly bloom]

It’s only been a few weeks since the update

[gray oriole]

CA only modified every mechanic in the game

[nova beacon]

it’s actually been almost a month

like 3 days away from a month

[flat gulch]

My stupid thumb hurts from trying to harvest all of that moss

The trees are so annoying and clunky the way they plant around themselves

I just wanna be done with this garbage update

[blazing sand]

HOW

[blazing sand]

from trash?

[gray oriole]

doesn't sound like you're having fun, perhaps you should move onto other games then

[short cloud]

yeah from checking trash cans around town

[flat gulch]

I'm literally 3 recipes away from perfection

I pretty much have to finish it

[blazing sand]

ok ty

[mellow atlas]

oh look it's the clemily person

[chilly bloom]

That’s still a few weeks then

[sacred river]

If you want you can just

Buy Perfection waivers and get your suffering over with

[chilly bloom]

It would only be 1 waiver

[flat gulch]

That's literally just cheating.

You can spin it any way you want, but that's literally just cheating.

[chilly bloom]

Cheating is subjective

[gray oriole]

it's in the game and intended ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[chilly bloom]

^

[broken portal]

cheating is anything unintentionally in the game

[chilly bloom]

Not really

[broken portal]

abusing anything that is unintentionally in the game to make some part of the game easier

[chilly bloom]

What is and isn’t intended isn’t as cut and dry as it seems

And often something unintended can change

[broken portal]

yeah that

like hammer bug

[chilly bloom]

To be supported and intended so what you say is a rather shallow representation of the matter

[gray oriole]

taking that argument to its conclusion, knowing the details of any mechanic you can't figure out the details of without datamining can be considered cheating

[chilly bloom]

I wouldn’t say that either

[sacred heart]

this bed is actually really nice

[broken portal]

knowing how rng works isnt cheating

[gray oriole]

do you think concernedape intended users to datamine the game

[chilly bloom]

I mean he must have expected it

People look through code of everything

[gray oriole]

intended isn't the same as expected

[chilly bloom]

It’s just natural

[chilly bloom]

But unintended isn’t the same as cheating

[gray oriole]

never claimed it was

[chilly bloom]

You’re drawing conclusions out of very little

[gray oriole]

i'm not

i'm pointing out the flaw in pizza's definition

nah we're aruging semantics

[broken portal]

[chilly bloom]

You’re point revolves around something different though. He was talking about taking something out of context and you about forcing something not possible

Without knowing the code behind it

[gray oriole]

every channel not in the offtopic category, probably

maybe there too actually

[teal nacelle]

i accidentally threw away an ice rod

[chilly bloom]

Which is also inherently flawed at least in stardews case as it’s impossible to predict game1.random as a player and all other mechanics are pretty much forceable

[teal nacelle]

cries

[chilly bloom]

Maybe #stardew-valley

They seem to be stardew related rn

[desert ledge]

did the ||dehydrator|| get updated to ||process mushrooms only?|| I can't get it to ||process any fruit||

[gray oriole]

do you have 5 fruit

[desert ledge]

yes

[sacred river]

Don't have to spoiler anything here

[gray oriole]

are they the same quality

[desert ledge]

yes

[gray oriole]

...what fruit?

[desert ledge]

Salmonberry

[teal nacelle]

and then the floor after i loaded into a cramped area with 2 serpent dragons, 2 fire-breathing face guys, an iridium crab, and a giant slime

[gray oriole]

iirc that one specifically cannot be dehydrated, I think?

[heady merlin]

I believe I’ve done it

I think it can

Or I’m being forgetful

[gray oriole]

hm

no clue then

[desert ledge]

I tried other fruits as well, nothing worked but white mushrooms

[sacred river]

Kek

[heady merlin]

Ok wait how did you get that little time pop up

[gray oriole]

are you running any mods that would cause item conflicts

[gray oriole]

mods

[stark glade]

mod

[heady merlin]

Dang ok

[desert ledge]

I shouldn't be, it was working fine before this load

[gray oriole]

well reload the game then maybe

[teal nacelle]

my next floor had 3 iridium bats and 3 serpent dragons AND 2 giant slimes 😭

[desert ledge]

I'm doing that now. I'll ask in the #archived-modded-support in case its a new thing with any of the mod updates causing an issue

[dry lance]

Insert staircase here

[stark glade]

could be

[teal nacelle]

i was a dumbass and forgot to bring bombs or stairs so i'm rawing it

[teal nacelle]

i'm in hell

[stark glade]

some mods change recipes for dried fruit in favor of their own stuff

[teal nacelle]

ice rod would make this so much nicer but nooooo my controller has to hate it and fucking trash it

[sacred river]

Try 10 bats

[broken portal]

multiple of 24

[stark glade]

pros and cons of having infinity gavel
pros:

[sacred river]

Truly

[teal nacelle]

oh my god

[sacred river]

Suffering 35-50 damage every second frfr

[teal nacelle]

trying to eat faster than you take damage

god i really need the cinderclown shoes too

[short cloud]

I could see the fairy box trinket being useful for that tbh

[broken portal]

life elixir

[short cloud]

if you have a level 5 fairy box maybe

also vampiric on a sword

[chilly bloom]

You can outheal basically anything so long as your food heals more than like 10 health

[stark glade]

only helpful if you can crowd control enough

[short cloud]

True

[stark glade]

and not THAT helpful anyway

[short cloud]

I mean its still some healing

[chilly bloom]

Most of the trinkets if not all are rather useless overall

[teal nacelle]

i have crusader and it's honestly my favorite. makes mummy floors a breather

yeah i need to kill more bats for the vampiric ring

[broken portal]

fairy box and parrot are probably the most useful, golden spur if youre using an iridium needle build

[gray oriole]

Spur is basically free speed

[stark glade]

do you really need more than +2 speed though

[gray oriole]

In a room full of mobs the chances u dont crit are kinda slim

[chilly bloom]

If you’re spending time fighting stuff, same with most of them

[short cloud]

also magic quiver can shoot stuff while you mine and place bombs

[chilly bloom]

More is always nicer

[broken portal]

of course

[short cloud]

It helps keep mobs off of you

[chilly bloom]

Most of the monsters can just be ran around

[stark glade]

you can juke royal serpents with just +2

[chilly bloom]

And the ones that can’t can be outhealed

[sacred river]

Basilisk paw:

[stark glade]

think the fastest I got was +3.5 speed anyway

[broken portal]

thats actually useless

[chilly bloom]

Immunity build which literally requires one ring and boots most people wear:

[sacred river]

Sacrificing a ring slot vs. a trinket slot is

[chilly bloom]

Plus it’s only really the danger mines which have a lot of debuffs, volcano if you really struggle

[stark glade]

half a ring slot*

[chilly bloom]

Half a ring slot for a situational spot to be in the first place

[broken portal]

when are you realistically ever getting debuffed

[sacred river]

If it's situational why even invest in it

When ring slots are far more valuable than trinket slots

[chilly bloom]

Situational doesn’t mean rare

It just means specific

[stark glade]

that one slime that got you slowed for 3s

[broken portal]

cinderclown shoes are more than enough

[nova beacon]

good thing iridium hair gel is the most useful trinket and 100% worth it

[broken portal]

slime charmer ring

[sacred river]

Ring slot:

[stark glade]

wasted slot

[broken portal]

its what i like to use

makes the most common enemy a non issue

[chilly bloom]

Half a ring slot isn’t all that much more valuable, 1-2 rings usually gets you like 80% effectiveness from what you want from them anyway

[short cloud]

I'd rather use up the trinket slot over a ring slot

[sacred river]

So how is that different/better than the basilisk paw

[teal nacelle]

FROG EGG

[stark glade]

I don't think the double iridium band lucky ring burglar ring is ever getting off my fingers

[sacred river]

The real

[broken portal]

i use iridium + lucky and burglar + slime charmer

not much of a point in double iridium

[teal nacelle]

OH HE FOLLOWS ME AROUND HES SO CUTE

[chilly bloom]

Pal all I said was basilisk paw and other trinkets are bad, you’re the one massively misconstruing this conversation

[stark glade]

all effects from iri band stack

light, magnetism and damage buff

[chilly bloom]

It being as useful as a ring that serves the same niche purpose doesn’t make it good

[broken portal]

you dont need that much light or magnetism

[teal nacelle]

he just ATE a mummy WHOLE

[short cloud]

I love frog eggs so much, but only aesthetically. I don't like that they dont drop loot from mobs they eat 😔

[chilly bloom]

Magnetism is probably the most useful ring stat

[broken portal]

one is usually enough

[chilly bloom]

Two is ideal for any bombing

Ideally even more

[nova beacon]

the best ring stat for bombing is napalm

[stark glade]

mega bomb SC run is much more convenient with double magnetism effect

[short cloud]

Do mobs eaten by frogs count towards eradication goals?

[chilly bloom]

Nope

[short cloud]

well then

[chilly bloom]

Imo it’s probably one of the worst of the trinkets

[sacred river]

You mentioned utilizing an immunity build for it to match the same purpose as the paw, and my point was that it uses a (usually) more valuable ring slot vs. a trinket slot

[stark glade]

think of the frog as a mob deleting tool for when you don't care about killing them
for example, cinder shard farming

[short cloud]

Its my fave trinket by far, but not use wise LOL. They're useless in the mines. But I love the frogs themselves. I need every colour

[teal nacelle]

it ATE an INVINCIBLE BUG

[sacred river]

Frog egg is terrible tbh

[chilly bloom]

First that doesn’t take away from the original point I made. Second I’d still argue that half a ring slot can be less useful than a trinket

[nova beacon]

that's just nature

[chilly bloom]

Hard agree

Honestly the quiver is just annoying as hell too

[teal nacelle]

honestly im fine with it making my time in hard mode skull cavern slightly easier

[gray oriole]

Frog egg’s cd is the perfect amount for maximum trolling

[stark glade]

quiver and ice rod are an extra flavor of mid

[broken portal]

yeah quiver knockback can be annoying when youre trying to kill ghosts

[chilly bloom]

Most of the time it can only handle 1-2 monsters max and otherwise they’re still attacking me and just being knocked away randomly

[teal nacelle]

i got another ice rod :D

[sacred river]

There are a handful of rings that serve pretty useful or nifty purposes that often warrant it being combined with another more, useful ring

Like the napalm ring, phoenix ring, and hot java ring

[broken portal]

but if you get rapid quiver it can knock stuff back consistantly enough

[gray oriole]

12s is probably like the optimal amount for it going off cd just before u kill a special mob

[short cloud]

I like and hate the quiver, cause it keeps pushing mobs that I'm trying to kill away from me

[broken portal]

phoenix ring is useless, hot java ring is only when youre farming, napalm ring is usualyl just preference

[stark glade]

by the time you get to use the quiver you're able to get a gavel/galaxy hammer and maybe even enchant it with artful

[teal nacelle]

oh this thing RULES

[sacred river]

By that point combat is more on farming really

[short cloud]

I have a galaxy hammer with artful c':

[sacred river]

Farming loot I mean

[chilly bloom]

Again, if you’re going for immunity you’re going for survivability in which something like the fairy would be more advantageous than any ring

And therefore a ring immunity build would be better

There are very few cases where immunity is actually desirable

And those are lategame where you have bombs, have speed, and don’t need most rings

[naive cape]

If sheep are my endgame money maker, am I better off with Sehpherd profession for more wool or with artisan so the cloth is worth more/

[chilly bloom]

You can swap professions

Also golden chickens are still better per tile

Which is a more valuable metric overall when you don’t have to care about tending for animals late game anyway

[naive cape]

yeah but golden chickens are so endgame that idk what Id even do once I have them

[chilly bloom]

I mean sheep aren’t worth going for for cash tbh

You don’t need much cash for perfection

[nova beacon]

sheep are very important for developing your fashion valley though

[chilly bloom]

Could also just use rabbits

[nova beacon]

put emily out of business

[chilly bloom]

Which msot get from friendship

[nova beacon]

we need them for their feet

not wool

[broken portal]

you get both

[teal nacelle]

you ever had these amazingly awful red infested floors?

filled with every single horrible skull cavern mob you hate

[nova beacon]

no I haven't gone past level 50 yet because i'm bad at skull caverns

[sacred river]

Stairs:

[teal nacelle]

apparently with ice rod you can mine off the shell of an iridium crab and it just sorta stands there freaking out

[tough remnant]

Shepherd is better by far, it more than doubles your sheep-based income (takes wool production from 2 days to 1, and increases average wool quality, which directly translates to more cloth)

But optimal is to horde wool with Shepherd for a very long time, and only when you need more money do you switch profession to Artisan, sell, then switch back the next day

[chilly bloom]

they're going to give wool regardless of what you want them to give

[urban kiln]

whats that

[chilly bloom]

so may as well use the byproduct for a largely useless task like creating clothes

[chilly bloom]

hardmode sc toggle

you can use it once you've completed the quest

[teal nacelle]

can i store trinkets in my dresser?

[stark glade]

nope

[urban kiln]

the qi quest?

[chilly bloom]

yes

[teal nacelle]

damn

[sacred frost]

Did the % chance for orange vs green change? It feels a lot more 50/50 than it used to be

[maiden fiber]

Idk. AFAIK it didn’t

[nova beacon]

then we make them into stew

[sacred frost]

Just bad luck then, I need to head to bed so I'll be trying fair day again tomorrow

[gray oriole]

I dont think anyone has even checked

[silver magnet]

damn!

1574 Gold!D

[nova beacon]

the real smoker fish tech before fish ponds and lava eel is catfish

300-600 with both angler, doubled because smoker for 600-1200, then 1.4x with Artisan for 1680 at iridium

[silver magnet]

it drools of money

[gray oriole]

Getting artisan during spring seems pretty impossible

[nova beacon]

that’s why you wait for fall

use your spring catfish for catfish bait

and one for cc

[robust spoke]

but

since its in fall

youve already most likely gotten pigs/star fruit wine

1.68k seems a bit little

[nova beacon]

yeah if you minmax

this is the casual tech

[robust spoke]

but

if your saving fish to use them in fall

isnt that min maxing?

[gray oriole]

saving catfish to use them in fall is like the opposite of minmaxing

[robust spoke]

[nova beacon]

you’re not catching a ton of catfish with fishing level 2

[robust spoke]

I mean seems like hes trying to maximize money from catfish

[nova beacon]

yeah for an early game money boost, it’s what I did before getting everything up and running

[silver magnet]

can you smoke cockles or urchins?

[nova beacon]

for my dehydrator empire

[teal nacelle]

what's this fish-shaped thing?

[gray oriole]

smoked fish

[robust spoke]

any smoked fish

[pine light]

Smoked fish

[gray oriole]

probably not?

[teal nacelle]

OH

duh

[pine light]

I think cockles

[nova beacon]

are they classified as fish?

[gray oriole]

well willy technically buys them

iirc?

[nova beacon]

like the in game classification

[gray oriole]

but if u can't put it into a fish pond i'm not sure it can be smoked

[nova beacon]

it says fish underneath their name

[nova beacon]

you can put cockles in ponds

[tough remnant]

Cockles yes, Sea Urchins no, I believe

[pine light]

Urchins can be put in ponds

Nvm

They do have roe though

[tough remnant]

Sea Urchins aren't considered fish by the game, they're considered the same as Coral

[silver magnet]

working for my weed smoking fishes

[pine light]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Fish
Everything on this page can be smoked, with the exception of the “other” section

[sleek crypt]

Omfg

I have made a great discovery

[maiden fiber]

Huh?

[maiden fiber]

Lmao that’s insane

[gray oriole]

sam carry

[harsh bone]

isnt that an old exploit

or was it supposed to have been fixed

[gray oriole]

she's not showing off the exploit, she's showing off that in that specific dialogue, sam procs it everytime you talk to him

[tough remnant]

This seems extremely useful for glitched speedruns and challenge runs actually

Because you can potentially get to desert festival so early

[maiden fiber]

Fr

All NPC go at least once right?

[gray oriole]

not sure

[mellow atlas]

in for a lot of moss, fiber, wood, and demetrius in a hazmat suit

[silver magnet]

smoking is good

[short cloud]

I wish green rain lasted longer then 1 day 😩

[mellow atlas]

I recommend going around the village and talking to all the villagers just to see their dialogue. then you can reset the day and do some harvesting instead

that’s what I did the first time

[short cloud]

I should have done that tbh. I missed out on so much dialogue y1

Next playthrough I will

[mellow atlas]

I skipped some of the y2 festivals

[maiden fiber]

Omg nooo

They all look so cool

[short cloud]

I skipped the trout derby and squidfest y2 lol

or well at least most of it. I think I fished for a few hours day 1 of those fests

[maiden fiber]

That’s diff to me imo

[short cloud]

but skipped the rest of it

[mellow atlas]

those aren’t really even festivals just events

[short cloud]

yeah true

[mellow atlas]

I think I skipped y2 carnival

[gray oriole]

I always do festivals and then reset the day

Just to check for new dialogue

[mellow atlas]

I could have done that but I was too focused on my other errands

I skipped it for ginger island I believe

Did a volcano run

[short cloud]

Oop I finally found another monster compendium lol, at end of summer y3. Last one I found was spring y1 LOL

Sadly I already got full mastery

so I guess trading it in it is

[maiden fiber]

You can trade for musk

[mellow atlas]

no thanks, you can keep him

I don’t care if he owns twitter

[maiden fiber]

LMAO WRONG MUSK 😭

[short cloud]

Lmaoo

[maiden fiber]

I wouldn’t take him either 😭😭

[short cloud]

I got it trying to finish some monster eradication goals. I'm so close to finishing slimes, dust sprites, and rock crabs

I've been neglecting the normal mines for ages lol

[maiden fiber]

Happens

[sharp meadow]

Figured out you have effectively 9 possible outfits per desert festival. The base outfit. The 1 piece of the base outfit replacement. And having 1 piece of the base and 1 from the other.

[mellow atlas]

daily luck does not affect fishing

[gray oriole]

well it does but not in this specific situation afaik

[mellow atlas]

fishing zone aka distance from shore, and fishing level will both help with catching rarer fish and less trash

[gray oriole]

no because that's not always a good thing

[mellow atlas]

you can go higher with food

[gray oriole]

if you can catch 1 octopus you can use a baitmaker to make targetted bait to get more

[mellow atlas]

better than nothing I guess

it’s ok, you don’t have to fill every help request

[rich laurel]

I love that Jodi is a constant gossip. Telling me about how Emily only sees Clint as a friend, how she's been sworn to secrecy about the new member for the aerobics class, etc.

[gray oriole]

secrecy about a class anyone can walk into and check who's present

oh right its harvey

[rich laurel]

Yep.

Listen. I live for a healthy dose of older women gossip. I wouldn't engage with it myself, but it's always so fun to watch someone give you the juicy details.

[gray oriole]

wait until u get a catfish quest in winter lol

[full pond]

yo whaats the max level you can get on a trinket reforge?

[gray oriole]

depends on the trinket

[full pond]

parrot egg?

[gray oriole]

4

mfw i'm on my 8th reset of this day because i keep forgetting to bring the item everytime

[full pond]

I JUST ROLLED PRISMATIC FROG EGG

LFGGGGGGGGGG

[gray oriole]

it is possible

it just happens to also require you to use a rain totem on the first day u get the quest and then fish in secret woods or river on the 2nd day

[teal nacelle]

do you think if i poison all of these lionfish i can get a goddamn pufferfish already

"sass thats ecoterrorism" listen i keep getting these fish

[gray oriole]

what's the ingame time

[teal nacelle]

it's 5 now but i fished from 1-4 and got just lionfish

sunny out, ginger island west, beach/ocean

just bad luck

[gray oriole]

rip

[tidal axle]

how do you throw them out in a way such that they don't get plopped into the ocean..?

[gray oriole]

i think he's fishing with a full inventory

[tidal axle]

i mean, yeah, but whenever i try to throw out an item while fishing it plops into the water

[gray oriole]

or he's turning around before he tosses the items out behind him

[rose oxide]

2 dressed spinners or 1 qualtiy and 1 dressed?

[tidal axle]

but... you can't turn around..... in the screen that makes you throw an item

[tidal axle]

depending on the fish curiosity lure could be better

but id personally go 1 quality 1 dressed, unless you're confident in perfect catching everything

[rose oxide]

what if you go with 2 dressed spinners anyways and just bank on catchign way more fish

they won't be iridium quality but you'll have more fish

[tidal axle]

do dressed spinners have diminishing returns?

[rose oxide]

i don't know, but i do know they stack with each other

[tidal axle]

because like the boost of money between iridium and gold is a whopping 50%

[gray oriole]

if you have fishing mastery for advanced iridium rod you certainly should almost always be catching iridium quality fish

[tidal axle]

so you'd have to catch 50% more fish with this method for it to be worth it

[gray oriole]

its 33%

you're thinking relative to base quality

[rose oxide]

gold sturgeon is 450 vs iridium is 600

[gray oriole]

base 100%
gold 150%
iridium 200%
but 200% is only 33% more than 150%

anyway, at fishing lvl 10 and fishing depth 5 your fish should still be iridium for perfect catches, which all the low difficulty fish should be

[tidal axle]

ahhh right fair enough

i mean... assuming this is a hard fish like lava eels i do think quality bobbers would still be better

[gray oriole]

quality bobber's mostly for like.. catfish, sturgeons, legends, eels

[rose oxide]

do you not use the specialized baits? are you using somethign else like deluxe bait or wild bait? i like only catching sturgeons

i still get the other fish sometimes but it's still mostly sturgeon

[gray oriole]

depends on what i'm doing

i kinda don't really fish for money by time I get fishing mastery 🤷

personally i prioritize chests mostly

[tidal axle]

hah... magnet bait pirate double treasure bobber

[gray oriole]

spinner's better than bobber

[tidal axle]

i wonder what the odds of hooking a chest is with all that

[gray oriole]

treasure bobber's kinda... bad

[tidal axle]

oh it's just a funny idea

instead of going for whats good you instead spec everything into this one shitty stat

[gray oriole]

the issue is its bad at its own job

you end up at 50%-55% droprate between magnet, pirate, and luck

2 treasure bobbers is 10% more chests vs like 2 spinners getting u an amount more fishing attempts that I don't know the value of, but is definitely a lot larger than 10%

[tidal axle]

to be honest ive only actively used spinner and trap bobber so you're probably right

[gray oriole]

answering the original original question at the start btw

there's technically diminishing returns for dressed spinner since the minimum time for a bite is 0.5s

but well, fishing minigame doesn't eat time, waiting for bites does

so even with technically dimnishing returns, a 2nd dressed spinner is still massive impact

esp if you're trying to maximize the amount of fish u can fit into a good luck day or extended family quest timer

[rose oxide]

what about lava eel fishing

if you can get like maybe 10 of them you can get aroudn 50k in gold per day from fishing, which can go to bombs for skull caverns

i feel like fishing mastery would make fishing really good

[gray oriole]

the rate from eels from mine is awful so u need GI for that

[rose oxide]

like it's nto the best form of money but it's there to pay for your skull caverns trips

[rose oxide]

which you should have by the time you get mastery no?

[gray oriole]

and uh if I have ginger island unlocked, money has already kinda ceased to matter?

[tidal axle]

i mean, curiosity lure does exist

and so does lava eel bait

[gray oriole]

GI tillable area sized greenhouse kinda just throws money out the window

[tidal axle]

great fishing day damn good for you

[atomic sand]

what does temporarily closing the ginger island resort do

[chilly bloom]

Stops people from coming

Until reopened

[chilly bloom]

I mean fishing on GI can still net like 300k a day and is accessible basically day one getting there

Not bad for low setup cost

[gray oriole]

300k from eels?

[chilly bloom]

Yeah pretty much

[gray oriole]

how

[chilly bloom]

They’re like 5.5k each

[robust spoke]

Wasn’t the catch rate of lava eels lowered?

[chilly bloom]

Catch 2-3 every hour and that’s 200-300k

200k is more reasonably but 300 is not completely out of the picture

[harsh bone]

kinda balled AF today

oh my mouse covered it

[rich trellis]

nice

[harsh bone]

why does the game not let me print screen properly

[gray oriole]

assuming only iridium quality smoked artisan eels caught with a baitmaker, each smoked eel is worth 5880 * 0.87 (penalty from having to make bait) - (150 - 250g (price of coal) ) = ~4900 - 5100 ish

[harsh bone]

i had to use snipping tool

[rose oxide]

i've got a funny hack for the fishing derbies

[gray oriole]

more like intended method

I have no idea how many fish u can catch in an hour

but it's 35.5% chance for an eel with bait at fishing lv10 + depth 5

[hushed glade]

[gray oriole]

trying to get 1 of every large crop?

[hushed glade]

yes

[gray oriole]

good luck

lookin good so far

[harsh bone]

does anyone have a fix for the game forcibly overlaying the inventory when u printscreen

[tough remnant]

Use the in-game screenshot utility

[buoyant raven]

Use F12 if you're using steam

[harsh bone]

i dont wanna scramble for the steam screenshot directory every time i wanna take a screenshot and post it somewhere

[buoyant raven]

Windows key + shift + s

[harsh bone]

that works the 2nd time but it has a bit of a me problem cause my mouse double clicks so i have to try it 10 times to get what i need 🧌

[tough remnant]

Sorta, although with a perfect setup it's possible to actually get higher rates than before using targeted bait. Previously, Lava Eels in the Caldera were up to 47.5% hook rate. Now the base is lower, but fishing level increases odds and Lava Eel Bait exists. With 15 Fishing and targeted bait, you have roughly same odds as before, and if you do the full 19 fishing shebang during the desert festival, still with targeted bait, you have 56.3% chance

For Fishing Zone 5

[chilly bloom]

How would wild bait measure up to targeted in a situation like this?

[tough remnant]

Poorly

Wild Bait is at most like, 18.75% chance to double catches

With perfect daily luck and special charm

[chilly bloom]

But targeted bait has a proportionally smaller effect on higher catch rate fish

[tough remnant]

Not really

[chilly bloom]

How much does it affect the caldera eels

[tough remnant]

So for the 15 Fishing + Zone 5 setup

[gray oriole]

triples it

[tough remnant]

It takes you from 27.6% to 47.6%

[gray oriole]

roughly

[chilly bloom]

Doubt that

[gray oriole]

well i'm assuming 10 fishing though

[tough remnant]

For 10 fishing yeah

But you're using fishing buffs

[chilly bloom]

Mhm I had buffs in mind too

[tough remnant]

15 fishing is a good baseline IMO because that's normal seafoam pudding + master rod

[chilly bloom]

Thanks

[gray oriole]

personally i don't have seafoam pudding or master enchant when I immediately enter GI

[tough remnant]

By the time you stop to do lava eel fishing in the caldera rather than exploring GI and getting farm set up and such

I'd assume you've stopped to get the fishing enchant

You have access to the forge afterall

Plus GI gives year-round access to midnight carp and flounder

[gray oriole]

lack of shards is kinda a bit of an issue imo

esp if rng decides to be unkind with your 25% roll, unless u savescum

[tough remnant]

True

Cindershards more than pshards in my experience, but one of them will probably be lacking

[gray oriole]

was thinking more of cindershards yeah

though pshards can be an issue too if you aren't doing enough SC as well, which well

I'm bad at SC

[tough remnant]

Anyway, point is, lava eel bait ranges from ~3x bite rates to like, ~1.7x depending on fishing level

Higher the fishing level, the less of a proportional effect it has

Also I just updated the info on fish sizes on the wiki, plus added notes for all the fish that are difficult/impossible to get at maximum size

[gray oriole]

can u check the stardew fair spinner rates?

[tough remnant]

It's literally 3:1 ratio in favour of green

[gray oriole]

no changes or modifiers in 1.6?

[simple plaza]

Is there a farm layout channel here? I kinda need inspiration for 1.6

[fallow basin]

#farms-and-outfits

[simple plaza]

Ah thanks

[gray oriole]

Theres also a subreddit

[tough remnant]

Actually, huh, this looks different than I remembered

It depends on Luck now

[teal nacelle]

wait does the key to the town mean functionally shops are open 24/7

[tough remnant]

No

Because the shopkeepers aren't there

[teal nacelle]

ok well it's 6 pm and clint smashedf some ores for me

[tough remnant]

Yeah, they're often open late

[chilly bloom]

Not at all, still dependant on npc schedules and some shops aren’t in town

[teal nacelle]

ahhh

[tough remnant]

But it depends on NPC schedules yeah

[chilly bloom]

Some just exist at their counters at 6am though like marnie

So it’s still quite useful

(Less so for marnie with 1.6)

[tough remnant]

So it's now dependent on Luck. You're still better off betting on Green very slightly, but basically there's a (Luck/15)% chance for the spinner to stop early while on Green, if you bet on Green, and a (Luck/20)% chance for the spinner to stop early while on Orange if you bet on Orange

[radiant swan]

Has anyone tested whether or not targeted bait works with the extended family fish?

[chilly bloom]

It does

[radiant swan]

I put some legend IIs in the bait maker but got none from 15 or so bait, guess I was just really unlucky.

[teal nacelle]

god i love this heavy furnace

[chilly bloom]

Is the quest active?

[radiant swan]

it was.

[chilly bloom]

Then just unlucky

[radiant swan]

I guess it's still nebulous how the targeted bait works

I had much better luck with a curiosity lure than the legend II bait

[gray oriole]

Luck or daily luck

[chilly bloom]

They stack

[chilly bloom]

No regular buff carries on through a festival (could be different in 1.6) so I assume daily

[gray oriole]

Well i was thinking more of luck rings

[chilly bloom]

I think those are also disregarded

[tough remnant]

Buff luck

[gray oriole]

And i know some festivals in 1.6 allow u to use items during them like night market and the fishing ones

So x2 luck ring would be (2/15)%?

Would it be guaranteed to stop on green if u hit 15 luck somehow?

[tough remnant]

Yeah

With 15 Luck it would basically immediately stop when it passed over Green actually

You'll be able to tell if you got lucky because it will play a "dwop" sound

Whatever that is

Game1.playSound("dwop");

[chilly bloom]

Wow

So it’s still considering food and drink buffs in the festival?

[tough remnant]

I believe so yeah

Which is kinda cursed since you can't eat food or drink during the festival

[chilly bloom]

I honestly can say I never would have expected that

[tough remnant]

Other than Gus's Survival Burgers

[chilly bloom]

Yeah exactly, not even something the player would learn naturally and is just weird overall

Even daily luck would be a bit odd but creating some variance could be fun

[tough remnant]

You can equip luck rings

[chilly bloom]

Of course but having the player passively punished for not doing something counterintuitive…

[tough remnant]

Actually, I misread it a little

[chilly bloom]

Like wasting a food buff before a festival when it wouldn’t be utilized

[chilly bloom]

oh?

[tough remnant]

It's chance to keep spinning just a bit longer

[chilly bloom]

If on the thing you didn’t bet on?

[tough remnant]

Yeah

When rotation speed drops below pi/80, if it's on the wrong colour, it has a Luck/15 chance to set rotation speed to pi/48 instead (if you picked Green - it's a 1/20 if you picked orange)

[bleak current]

the wheel spin code is pretty much exactly the same as it was in 1.5 as far as I can see

[harsh bone]

man meadowlands is so incredibly ass

[tough remnant]

Well the wiki was wrong about it before then

[harsh bone]

theres so little soil

[tough remnant]

Because I'm seeing absolutely nothing that indicates Green being 3x as likely as Orange

Nor was there any reference to this: Game1.random.NextDouble() < (double)((float)Game1.player.LuckLevel / 15f

[bleak current]

I've never believed green was 3x as likely personally

I also only bet 1/3 of my total each time

[tough remnant]

I always did half

[bleak current]

Doesn't look substantially different from 1.3.27 either

[tough remnant]

I wonder if the 3:1 ratio thing came from someone crunching the numbers on the initial velocity randomisation.

[bleak current]

I did half when I first started playing but getting 3 oranges in a row and being at 1/8 of what I started with was too much so ever since I do around 1/3

[chilly bloom]

Honeslty could be, there is a lot of hearsay on the wiki

[tough remnant]

Where the hell is initial arrowRotation set

[bleak current]

in the constructor

[tough remnant]

I'm not seeing it there

[bleak current]

public WheelSpinGame(int wager)
    : base(Game1.uiViewport.Width / 2 - 320, Game1.uiViewport.Height / 2 - 224, 640, 448)
{
    timerBeforeStart = 1000;
    arrowRotationVelocity = Math.PI / 16.0;
    arrowRotationVelocity += (double)Game1.random.Next(0, 15) * Math.PI / 256.0;
    arrowRotationDeceleration = -0.0006283185307179586;
    if (Game1.random.NextBool())
    {
        arrowRotationVelocity += Math.PI / 64.0;
    }
    this.wager = wager;
    Game1.player.Halt();
}```

[tough remnant]

I see arrowRotationVelocity and arrowRotationDeceleration there

But not plain old arrowRotation

[bleak current]

oh hmm

[tough remnant]

Searching the full decomp for arrowRotation =, with or without the space, gives me nothing

Okay apparently C# has default constructors for numeric types

So it's 0, because it wasn't specified as anything else

[bleak current]

makes sense

[silver magnet]

guide to find more powder melons?

[bleak current]

seed dig spots, maybe raccoon trade

[tough remnant]

Anyway, this is determinative, so in theory I could crunch the numbers and find some bias in the velocity initialisation. It's definitely kinda sketchy that there are exactly 30 possible starting velocities

[silver magnet]

are they the ones that look like plants?

[bleak current]

yeah. looks more like waving grass then the regular spots which are kinda wormy

[tidal axle]

this dialog is so funny to me for some reason

dance of the moonlight jellies, he's talking about pumpkin chips

meaning the pumpkins mustve survived for like 3 seasons as chips

damn,... that chip brand aint doing too hot

or maybe he just had it sitting in his pantry

[molten turret]

maybe it was just chips w/ pumpkin seasoning

[tidal axle]

maybe... but usually the thing in front of the word chips is what the chips are made of

like potato chips or sweet potato chips

[molten turret]

usually

[tough remnant]

Okay I actually just crunched the numbers on the spinner

I now know where the 3/4 land on green thing came from

[molten turret]

is it js me or are you way more active these days

[tough remnant]

It's actually still accurate

[molten turret]

Where

[tough remnant]

The initial velocity randomisation

[molten turret]

Whaar

[tough remnant]

Turns out the 3x is actually correct

[bleak current]

surprising

[tidal axle]

do you think this is ever gonna be changed to actually make it 50/50

[stray swift]

is that 3x

[bleak current]

No, much like the casino games it is intentionally skewed towards the player.

Although in this case you need to know to choose green

[tidal axle]

i see... i feel like this should be hinted somewhere though

like the desert fest guy who tells you who isn't gonna win the race

[tough remnant]

yeah, 6 orange vs 24 green

[bleak current]

Does Penny say she picked green when she says that she's been banned from playing?

[tidal axle]

nope

[stray swift]

isnt that 80/20 then

[tidal axle]

wouldnt that mean the odds are even more in your favor than previously thought

[tough remnant]

Actually true lol

[stray swift]

so, 4x?

[stray swift]

unless this shifts it to 75/25

[tough remnant]

That's unrelated

[hidden ore]

that's a really great table, it probably ought to live on the wiki if only on the talk page

[tough remnant]

Actually, trying to remember if the arrow position is reset between each attempt

[ivory rune]

hey, i just bought a turtle and i bought a pet bowl after for him, but when i right-click on the bowl the name of the turtle doesn't show up, like on my other cats bowl. Is that bcs turtle dont need a bowl ?

[hidden ore]

doesn't it always start at vertical for each spin?

[tough remnant]

Looks like yes

Always starts at vertical

[hidden ore]

afaik all pets need a bowl, so I don't know what's up there

[bleak current]

turtles do need a bowl. I don't know if it immediately assigns when you buy it or not until the day passes

[uneven lake]

What do you guys do after perfection? I'm 4mil away from perfection and i realized i don't have any plans after that.

[tidal axle]

wht i did was... slow the hell down

there's nothing to do post perfection other than have fun, after all

[bleak current]

If it always starts vertical, are your color assignments correct? because the second line ending position of 3.28 would be very near straight down which should be orange

[uneven lake]

Technically, I was already at perfection but i forgot i needed the 10mil and bought a chestful of wood rocks and coal.

[ivory rune]

okok thanks, maybe its because i bought the pet before the bowl

[ivory rune]

thanks !

[hidden ore]

heh I have been playing post perfection for some time now and there's so much to do. I have finally gotten the interior decorating done on the main farm, still need more trees and for it to look less gridlike for the outside, gotta do gingerisland inside and out for decor, got most of the game secrets (paintings and statues and such) to pick up, not one of my kids or pets has a hat (😱 ), haven't gotten into tailoring at all, there's some exclusives from the desert festival I have yet to get, I've not gotten the infinity hammer so I ought to get on that, etc etc. When I reached completion, I had not: gotten a horse, gotten anything but recipes from the walnut room; gotten any house renovations; done the community upgrades or upgraded Pam's house; etc. So... lots to do 🙂

[uneven lake]

I was wondering if there are any fun projects to work towards, my main goal after perfection was to build a barn or coop full of each unique type of animal but i finished that before perfection.

[hidden ore]

that's a lot of barns and coops!

[tidal axle]

hm... im not too sure on that, perhaps you could try making a bunch of fish ponds? thats always good fun

[tough remnant]

Good catch, I had Pi/4 instead of Pi/2

[hidden ore]

I need to scope out a crop area for single harvest crops for all year round, since the multiharvest ones I have in a shed pretending to be a greenhouse. I want to be able to supply the valley any crop at any time, seems like a good role for the sole farmer in the area, right? But I also don't want it to interfere with starfruit wine production.

[tidal axle]

I AM ZOOMING

[tough remnant]

That's the only one that's different though

[uneven lake]

It took a while but it's just 6 coops and 5 barns. The 6th coop is still empty though since that's for the golden chickens. I guess that will also take a few weeks.

[buoyant raven]

Poor Krobus

[hidden ore]

counting: sheep, goat, cow, ostrich, pig, dino; brown chicken, white chicken, void chicken, rabbit, duck, blue chicken, golden chicken, that's 13, no? or maybe you count the brown white and blue ones as one animal type

[uneven lake]

I count the chicken colors as one type.

The dinos were a pain though took a long time for each because i liked having Shepherd for the sheeps.

[hidden ore]

I guess you could have farmed dino eggs in skull cavern but you're still stuck incubating the eggs one at a time (well more than one if you have multiple buildings, then move the dinos once they hatch)

[uneven lake]

I already had like 10 eggs waiting to be incubated before i even hunted for pepper rexes for the slayer goals.

[hidden ore]

I was unlocky with eggs on this save, took the longest time to get even one

[uneven lake]

Mine was a lucky drop from a chest. I got a two in one.

[hidden ore]

sweet! yeah I didn't fish any up, finally got one on a prehistoric level

[uneven lake]

Hunting for that pepper rex floor was a pain though. My nearest spawned floor was at around floor 50, and somehow even with a ton of stairs I failed the rng and only got the floor to spawn once in three runs.

[analog notch]

is this hard mod?

[dense forum]

what does that mean 🐸

[hidden ore]

no, just different. you have a chance at some exclusive items that way but migh miss some useful ones, kinda evens out

[hidden ore]

you levelled up!

[analog notch]

very hard to choose

[hidden ore]

if you are really used to the standard rewards, try the remix, it won't hurt anything

[analog notch]

ok thanks

[dense forum]

thats nice i love the update so much ♥️

[analog notch]

but community center bundles dam..for what I saw is very hard

[analog notch]

thanks

[hidden ore]

the remixed bundles can be really tough, depending on what you get, yeah

[analog notch]

500 saps LUL

[tough remnant]

Anyway, you wanted to know what the actual maths was regarding this... turns out wiki was mostly right but not quite, which leads me to believe they estimated from empirical testing before rather than confirming in code.

Info should all be updated now, turns out the optimal bet is actually 65% of your stars on Green. Slightly higher if you have luck buffs.

[solar ruin]

Credit goes to this youtuber and their video: https://youtu.be/32ywvlh7Nz0?t=821
But did you know that you can change bobber style now?

[pine barn]

yeah, I've caught all the fish but still have two bobber types locked. I'm assuming you need to catch Qi's Legendarys to unlock them

[solar ruin]

It isn't on the Wikipedia yet, which is why I got taken aback when I saw the video :D

[bleak current]

Yes, every 2 fish unlocks a new bobber style so to unlock all you need 4 of the 5 Extended Family fish as well

[hidden ore]

yes, and I have! it was a tough choice but the pink,,, pig? (2nd row, right) won out

[quasi escarp]

OMG THE KITTY ONE IS SO CUTEEE

[bleak current]

rubber ducky is my favorite, but I usually just have it set to random

[hidden ore]

I dunno about wikipedia but it's ont he stardew valley wiki https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Fish_Shop#Bobber_Machine

[analog notch]

find the perfect seed any know some one .pls

[solar ruin]

Oohh thank you! I must have missed this!

[hidden ore]

that was one of the final contenders

that, the shorts and the kitty lost out to the pig cuteness

[ivory rune]

youre right ! the day after the bowl has a name :)

[heady meadow]

I've been visiting the island a little more and found out about the custom bobber while sprinting to and fro at Willy's. The rubber duck is funny. I haven't picked one yet but this one is great.

[tidal axle]

is there any information on trinket drop rates?

[heady meadow]

I managed to get the two trinkets I wanted to grab first and I can't decide between the Ice Rod and the arrow. The freezing is really handy but so is the knockback to get breathing room

[tidal axle]

you really have to appreciate the dichotomy between them haha

i love those two so much

i finally got a somewhat clear image of the possum

[heady meadow]

I’m not a super pro in dungeons so having these trinkets helps me relax a little when the hard enemies come after me. I don’t have to glomp cheese so fast

[sacred river]

It ain't an SC run if you aren't gobbling cheese fr

[heady meadow]

At least with trinkets I can eat the cheese every other hit, lol

[rich trellis]

i'm so lazy i'm at winter y2 but i only have 48 kegs...

[neat sentinel]

skull cavern run roundup

very messy run but i got to around floor 150 (stopped counting after a while)

2 prismatics, 2 auto pettes, around 200 ore

im pleased

[rich trellis]

hell yeah

[tidal axle]

really lucky with the autopetters holy crap

good job!

[neat sentinel]

thanks

too bad i dont have a coop or barn

just never bothered lol

[tidal axle]

still, 2 prismatics and 200 iridium ore aint bad

[rich trellis]

i haven't had much luck getting the treasure appraisal guide

mightave force it by trading all my omni geodes to treasure troves and restarting the day if i dont get it

I'm so annoyed that the dwarfish translation manual... is not... a book... 😩

[mortal rain]

I just encountered a truffle crab. Is this normal?

[rich trellis]

just a new easter egg ig

[mortal rain]

It dropped truffle oil 2 truffles and a crab.

It did also do damage to me. I have months on farm turned off.

[frozen minnow]

🥹

[mental sail]

Do treasure totems work during desert festival? Would be a nice quick egg boost if you get expensive vendors.

[hidden ore]

I don't know, you'd need to find enough clear space to use one. but honestly skull caverns dives with lucky food plus the luck buff you can get from the chef, that's the easiest way to get a ton of eggs fast

[mental sail]

Of course, just as an additional option, one of my saves had several natural spots and that made me wonder.

[harsh plover]

are you not able to get golden pumpkin year 2+ anymore at spirit's eve? I only found a ticket...

[mental sail]

pumpkin odd years, ticket even is what people here say

[harsh plover]

Oh, I remembered I read on the wiki that there will be two secret passages in the year 2+ maze, one for ticket and one for pumpkin

but I can't find where it said that anymore

[hidden ore]

the two layouts and prizes alternate years, you'll see that with other festivals, i.e. the egg festival alternates routes and dialogue every other year

[rich lake]

Such a sweet hubby

[spark sapphire]

So what's the money strat with the fish smoker

Grind lava eels and when possible legendary fish from the qi quest?

[woven tusk]

Get Artisan
Smoke anything that gains more than the Coal's cost in sell value

[spark sapphire]

This is not a strategy this is just advice

Who wants to smoke carp anyway

[woven tusk]

...Do carps even gain enough value to meet that criterion

[frozen minnow]

me telling myself its just pixels in a game

[spark sapphire]

What

[grave violet]

What’s a good place to use a treasure totem?

[woven tusk]

75G for an iridium carp with Fisher, and it would gain less than 200G from being smoked. That's not worth the coal (250G price in Y2+)

[tough remnant]

Yeah that's as good as it gets pretty much. For endgame anyway.

[grave violet]

Should I use lava eel bait or no for grinding?

[tough remnant]

Lava Eels in Caldera unless Extended Family is active

Lava Eel bait 100%

[woven tusk]

Is it a better average value than going for Catfish/Sturgeon?

[tough remnant]

Way better

[grave violet]

Do you think I should also use a trapper + curiosity lure?

[tough remnant]

Like, more than twice as good

[woven tusk]

Curious to see the numbers, then. I'm worried about the lava eel rate needing to overcome the ones sacrificed to make more bait

[tough remnant]

It doesn't matter really, it's proportional

[woven tusk]

Like, it can but that is a much bigger fraction of the haul than for catfish/sturgeon

[spark sapphire]

It's like 50 percent even without bait and is not hard to catch once you practice it

Volcano

[tough remnant]

Lava Eel is base 700g. Catfish is Base 200g

[woven tusk]

It was never 50% and it was researched in depth just the last couple days

[tough remnant]

That's wrong

[spark sapphire]

Either way with just normal bait it's decent enough and other fish won't infiltrate the pull

[grave violet]

With eel bait it would be much better though

You lose roughly 1/7 of your catches, for 1,5x your catches

[hidden ore]

depends on what you're trying to get. omnis? go to the beach on ginger island or even better, the dig site if there's enough room...

[tough remnant]

Anyway, lava eel bait almost doubles catch rate, and you get 7.5 bait per lava eel on average

[spark sapphire]

What if I'm good enough at fishing that I'll only lose like 1 out of 20

[tough remnant]

Also you can buy lava eel bait from Willy sometimes

[woven tusk]

The rate is 11.9% with regular bait

[grave violet]

I meant you lose it from turning it into bait

[spark sapphire]

Oh that

Just make a lava eel pond

Or 2

[tough remnant]

You can also buy lava eel bait from Willy sometimes

[grave violet]

Forgot about ponds tbh

Sounds like a hassle

[spark sapphire]

But it says that it's 50% in fishing zone 5

Max

What

[tough remnant]

You're missing the whole second half of the calculation

[spark sapphire]

OHH

[grave violet]

Aw curiosity lure doesn’t work

[spark sapphire]

I get it now

[grave violet]

I guess I’ll go with double trapper?

[tidal axle]

OH MY GOD

THE TIGER HAT????

WHAT IS THIS HAT LUCK

[spark sapphire]

I prefer using corks

[woven tusk]

50% chance of trash and then the lava eel has to compete with trash a second time if you succeed

[grave violet]

How high does that make your fishing bar with double cork?

Or large

[spark sapphire]

48 pixels

Whatever that means

[woven tusk]

Bait will cost 11-20% of your casts (5-9 bait gained per fish). If we average that out to 7.5 bait per fish sacrificed, we are sacrificing 13.3% of our casts.
35.5% hook rate minus 13.3% casts sacrificed is 22.2% "take-home" eels

[spark sapphire]

But it still makes the area really large

[tough remnant]

Yeah, still beats catfish by a long way though. One Lava Eel is better than 3 Catfish of equal quality

[grave violet]

Have you tried using double cork? Does it fill like half the bar or smth

[spark sapphire]

48 pixels is massive tbh

[grave violet]

I hope lava eel isn’t a sinker cuz I always have a bit of trouble with bouncing bar

[tough remnant]

You shouldn't be doing this at 10 fishing though. Do it at 16 fishing (seasoned seafoam pudding + master rod) and you have ~50% catch rate

[spark sapphire]

You won't have trouble at the volcano

[woven tusk]

When I last used Sturgeon bait in the summer, I had a very near-100% hook rate for them (though the possibility exists that it was RNG). That would actually beat 22.2% take-home eels I think

[spark sapphire]

So this means that you have to grind ink and make a midnight carp pond

[woven tusk]

Feel like this could stand to be appended to the wiki

[tough remnant]

Absolutely RNG, that's waaaaay above average.

[woven tusk]

...Because yeah

[tough remnant]

I always do anyway

Flounder and midnight carp ponds very worth it

[grave violet]

I did the same and got roughly 90% catch rate

[hidden ore]

have a squid pond, ink grinding problem solved

[spark sapphire]

Lave eels get more from higher quality tho❗❗

Since quality in smoked fish remains

[woven tusk]

This cancels out due to quality just being a multiplier

[grave violet]

I think I did it when it was raining so maybe that changes the chance

[tough remnant]

That's all proportional

[hidden ore]

I wonder whether I could fit a midnight carp pond in someplace, hrm

[mellow atlas]

Stop i meant to post it in modded farmers. facepalm

[tough remnant]

Basically though, lava eel is 3.5x as valuable as a catfish or sturgeon

[spark sapphire]

Lava eel fans rise

[mellow atlas]

Smoked Lava eels got me 30k overnight

[grave violet]

Smoked sturgeons gave me 45k without angler

[mellow atlas]

Fish Smoking is lowkey op

[tough remnant]

On top of this, since food timer actually counts down during catches, the fact that the other half of your catches are trash rather than sturgeon helps

[silver magnet]

mmmm eel

[mellow atlas]

Zamnnn

[woven tusk]

One day's haul?

[spark sapphire]

I have 2 eel ponds so I don't have to spend my crists on rubies

[spark sapphire]

What was the time period

[tough remnant]

Lava Eels in Caldera with the full setup has gotten me 115k in a day of fishing

In my testing

This was seasoned seafoam pudding, double cork, lava eel bait and master rod

[spark sapphire]

Oh and also you can catch it for 7 hours more

[tough remnant]

I could probably do better, I was out of practice at the time

[spark sapphire]

Finally won't have to spend 3 years setting up more kegs

[tough remnant]

But 100k+ is definitely doable

This was going in with bait from ponds BTW

[woven tusk]

On the one hand, this matters since Qi Seasoning is involved
On the other hand, I'm not sure Sturgeons require Qi Seasoning on your fishing buff food to get a good hook rate

[tough remnant]

Qi seasoning is actually mostly to stretch out buff duration. +1 fishing doesn't do that much compared to double cork

[woven tusk]

How plausible is it to perfect-catch a Sturgeon? Thinking about the possibility of Challenge Bait this time, as Largemouth Bass aren't bad (with the caveat that Carps are)

[arctic crest]

No need to grind 400+ kegs for the lategame now We can just fish and smoke eels

[drowsy steeple]

not bad, but surely annoying

[drowsy steeple]

SC still beats it by quite a margin

[woven tusk]

So the 7 extra hours are less essential if not using the seasoning. Hm.

[arctic crest]

or that too, but not everyone has the resources or ability to SC dive every day

[grave violet]

8am to 10pm

[drowsy steeple]

I'd think perfect catching lava eels have a higher skill floor :/

[tough remnant]

Doable, I haven't compared lava eel to challenge bait strats though. That'd require fishing out which area has highest average catch value + how reliably they can be perfect caught

[remote ridge]

You know whats a missed opportunity in 1.6?
That you can't make mystic pancakes with mystic sirup

[grave violet]

Has anyone compared the chances of sturgeon in rainy weather vs non rainy?

[woven tusk]

Lava Eels are even stronger, though in their case I think a Quality Bobber is an option. Not so plausible with Challenge Bait since you gotta perfect (or near-perfect) it anyway

[grave violet]

Can you craft a quality bobber? I forgot

[woven tusk]

I think only "are there rain-exclusive fish in the mountain lake?" Would change it

[tough remnant]

That's true, I really should have done quality + dressed spinner for lava eels now that I think about it

[drowsy steeple]

how big is double cork bobber + seasoned seafoam + deluxe bait anyway

[tough remnant]

So used to just going for perfects lol

I tend to kinda forget that quality bobber exists

[remote ridge]

Oh cool cork bobbers stack

[woven tusk]

The only rain-exclusive fish in the mountain lake is walleye, which is there in the fall (or winter if you use a rain totem). So Sturgeons are not meaningfully impacted by rain and your Sturgeon rate should actually decrease if you use rain totems in winter (due to walleyes being in the hook pool)

[tough remnant]

But it's 100% the way to go for lava eel cash fishing

[remote ridge]

Well I know my standard tackle selection once I unlock the Advanced Iridium Rod

[drowsy steeple]

I think there's a sunny only fish somewhere that affects it, can't remember what

[remote ridge]

(I'm not a fan of the fishing minigame)

[drowsy steeple]

rainbow trout during summer

[tough remnant]

Rainbow Trout in Summer

[woven tusk]

Oh, hm. There is. Rainbow trout

So summer rain would indeed help a lil bit

[remote ridge]

With some fish I feel like I need clarevoyance to catch them if RNG doesn't want to be nice

[drowsy steeple]

sturgeon chance is really bad anyway

in my experience it barely recoups the targeted bait

[woven tusk]

That sounds odd

[drowsy steeple]

brb lemme do the math

[tough remnant]

Have fun lol

Doing the maths for anything with multiple fish in the pool suuuuucks

[woven tusk]

Sturgeons have 5 "rivals" in summer sun and 4 in summer rain
6 in winter (midnight carp does not compete, no overlap in time window)

[drowsy steeple]

largemouth 3, rainbow trout 2, sturgeon 3, bullhead 2, carp 1, chub 1
so base without targeted would be 3 out of 12

that should generally be correct right?

[tough remnant]

Odds of different fish aren't equal

[drowsy steeple]

roll twice and your chance is 43%

[woven tusk]

I don't have the hook weights so the best I could do here is work with the assumption that they are

[tough remnant]

But also, they're all modified by fishing level in an uneven way

[drowsy steeple]

please assume 10 lest our collective brains explode

[tough remnant]

Every fishing level is flat +.02 to spawn rate for all fish