pzwiki_editing

[proud cobalt]

Yeah, then do we change Vodka (fluid) to just Vodka

[languid kayak]

I was trying to get different names in-game back then in (pre)-b41, maybe we can suggest that again?

[naive imp]

I think so. Because then we dont have "glass bottle (Vodka) anymore.

No need for differentiation

[languid kayak]

https://github.com/TheIndieStone/ProjectZomboidTranslations/pull/432

[proud cobalt]

It was just called vodka before
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Vodka

[languid kayak]

and https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/34297-should-empty-bottle-and-water-bottle-be-separate-for-each-item/

[naive imp]

That may be an issue for the whole b41 side of shit

Especially after Chicken was renamed to Chicken Leg

[proud cobalt]

It was only added in 42 😆

[naive imp]

The oldid on Chicken leg redirected to Chicken animal

[naive imp]

Alcoholics before 2024 type shit

Like only 3 different alcohols lmao

I forgot 💀

How would we handle the bottle page though if we're gonna merge em all

That'd be a big page

I wonder if we should go by section headers for each individual bottle?

But then if they get too big when do we decide to split the article is the question

[languid kayak]

Seems https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Furnace&redirect=no is a redirect to Simple Furnace. I think it's recipes that mostly linked to it, I guess it could be adjusted btw? @proud cobalt

Yeah, it's 80 in b41.78.16, just checked

[proud cobalt]

What sprite

    tile
    {
        xy = 4,5
        BlocksPlacement =
        CanScrap =
        ContainerCapacity = 60
        ContainerPosition = Low
        CustomName = Crate
        Facing = N
        GroupName = Metal
        IsLow =
        IsMoveAble =
        IsStackable =
        IsTable =
        Material = MetalPlates
        Material2 = MetalScrap
        PickUpWeight = 80
        Surface = 32
        container = crate
        solidtrans =
    }```

[languid kayak]

huh, weird then

[proud cobalt]

They all have 60 so idk how it works

[languid kayak]

44 is the same though

[proud cobalt]

Same thing

   tile
   {
       xy = 5,5
       BlocksPlacement =
       CanScrap =
       ContainerCapacity = 60
       ContainerPosition = Low
       CustomName = Crate
       Facing = W
       GroupName = Metal
       IsLow =
       IsMoveAble =
       IsStackable =
       IsTable =
       Material = MetalPlates
       Material2 = MetalScrap
       PickUpWeight = 80
       Surface = 32
       container = crate
       solidtrans =
   }```

[languid kayak]

yeah, weird

[proud cobalt]

🤔 I need the help of @digital helm to track this down 😆

[languid kayak]

It's the same no matter if it was constructed from right-click or brush tool manager

[proud cobalt]

I wonder if its the container type

[digital helm]

Probably defined in the build logic. I'm not sure how that works yet

[languid kayak]

crate?

[proud cobalt]

Couldnt be crate, wooden would have to be 80 too

Is there a low quality variant of metal crate?

[digital helm]

Don't think so

[proud cobalt]

Me either

{
    entity Metal_Crate_Lvl1
    {
        component UiConfig
        {
            xuiSkin = default,
            entityStyle = ES_Metal_Crate_Lvl1,
            uiEnabled = false,
        }
        component SpriteConfig
        {
            canBePadlocked = true,
            face W
            {
                layer
                {
                    row = constructedobjects_01_45,
                }
            }
            face N
            {
                layer
                {
                    row = constructedobjects_01_44,
                }
            }
            face E
            {
                layer
                {
                    row = constructedobjects_01_47,
                }
            }
            face S
            {
                layer
                {
                    row = constructedobjects_01_46,
                }
            }
        }
        component CraftRecipe
        {
            OnAddToMenu = metalCrateLvl1Test,
            timedAction = BuildMetalStructureMedium,
            time = 50,
            NeedToBeLearn = true,
            SkillRequired = MetalWelding:3,
            xpAward = MetalWelding:30,
            category = Furniture,
            Tags = Welding,
            Tooltip = Tooltip_craft_crateDesc,
            inputs
            {
                item 4 [Base.BlowTorch] flags[DontRecordInput],
                item 2 [Base.SmallSheetMetal],
                item 2 [Base.SheetMetal],
                item 1 [Base.ScrapMetal],
                item 4 [Base.WeldingRods] flags[DontRecordInput],
            }
        }
    }
}```
Nothing in the entity about extra capacity

Even the level 2 one has 60 capacity 🤔

    tile
    {
        xy = 5,5
        CanScrap =
        ContainerCapacity = 60
        IsPaintable =
        IsStackable =
        Material = MetalPlates
        Material2 = MetalScrap
        MaterialType = Metal_Solid
        PaintingType = crates
        StackReplaceTileOffset = -1
        Surface = 64
        container = crate
        solidtrans =
    }```

[proud cobalt]

@languid kayak How can you get this? 'Fancy metal crate'

    tile
    {
        xy = 4,5
        BlocksPlacement =
        CanScrap =
        ContainerCapacity = 80
        ContainerPosition = Low
        CustomName = Crate
        Facing = N
        GroupName = Fancy Metal
        IsLow =
        IsMoveAble =
        IsStackable =
        IsTable =
        Material = MetalPlates
        Material2 = MetalScrap
        PickUpWeight = 80
        Surface = 32
        container = crate
        solidtrans =
    }```

[languid kayak]

it says ContainerCapacity = 80 in-game

Are you checking 41.78.16 btw?

[proud cobalt]

Definitely not

[languid kayak]

Then it makes sense 😄

[proud cobalt]

Oh wait

😆

Let me check 42

[languid kayak]

Was about our previous convo in https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Metal_Crate&curid=12545&diff=1219877&oldid=1212009 which is 41.78.16 so technically correct 👌

[proud cobalt]

Right well the bot will change it back because infoboxes are for B42

😅

[languid kayak]

but will it bump the version to b42 then?

[proud cobalt]

No because the article content needs to be updated, like items. |infobox_version=42.12.0

[languid kayak]

I improved the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Bar page, mostly based on the work by Matt Morgan, but the page could still use a summary and overview (noted that) as well as has some blanks (two missing coords, should be easy, maybe I'll do that later) and probably some improvement for unnamed ones (I assume there's more than one bar + it lacks image)

a lot of descriptions say "It is a great place to find alcohol. " not sure if that isn't superflous too

Minor nit, but following the recent changes in style guide, I'm not sure now, should I keep the space between {{License}} and [[Category:]] in images? I'm not sure and wasn't really consistent on that one, pinging @digital helm and @proud cobalt as you probably know the most what is the new style?

I think a newline is better for visibility but I'm not sure 🤔

Seems the visual editing doesn't add a newline when I add category, so maybe this is to follow?

btw, kinda irrelevant, but I just got where does your differences in spacing with pronounciation come from @flint vapor 😄

https://www.babbel.com/en/magazine/french-spacing

Seems it's different for Canadian French, even.

https://tenor.com/view/now-you-know-the-more-you-know-no-kidding-no-shit-obviously-gif-1342210079425559607

[flint vapor]

Yea we always put spaces before ! and ?

And :

[languid kayak]

Yeah, basically everything that consiste of two or more compontents, so also ; or % or quoteation marks (which are totally different for each country too)

[flint vapor]

I can create my own Modules right ?

I want to look into it, to simplify one or two templates I use

[flint vapor]

@proud cobalt @languid kayak @digital helm fun fact, you can do typings in a Lua script in VSCode via the same method Umbrella uses, but for WikiText's Scribunto extension

Which is what I assume the wiki currently uses right ?

I highly suggest this becomes the norm for the Lua scripts for the Wiki in the future, for any Lua Module

I will make a section about it in the VSCode wiki page, so you guys can easily learn how to use it

Ok this Lua shit on the Wiki is extremely powerful

[languid kayak]

Let's assume it is correct 🙂 https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Lemongrass&diff=1263409&oldid=1239843

(and it's indeed random)

Are we gonna list kilometers as well as miles? If so, I guess we should come to some standardized way to list both? https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Kentucky_144&curid=133033&diff=1224305&oldid=1210185

Miles would be native to the US/Kentucky map, not sure what spawn map is based at?

[languid kayak]

@serene sage is it fine to stay? https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=General_John_McGrew&curid=18479&diff=1225855&oldid=1208271

I assume this one is correct btw, is this a change in B42 (VHS tape no longer giving aiming and reloading XP)? https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=VHS&curid=15829&diff=1225865&oldid=1218863 Can we check if there are more like that @digital helm?

seems there is even a screenshot to prove this https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Screenshot_From_2025-10-19_17-43-45.png

[serene sage]

it's a bit tough because it's about to reacht he point where it's just original research/speculation

though I think it isn't too far into that

I guess it's fine

[languid kayak]

yeah, my though too. I left this one though, but still a bit fluffy/extra https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=President&curid=38899&diff=1225857&oldid=1214511

[serene sage]

maybe needs some more clarification that it's a possiblity and not definitive

[languid kayak]

I think we kinda can assume that everyone surviving (meta survivors, some survival stories, most special outfit/radio NPCs) are immune to the airborne variants?

[serene sage]

I think so

if the infection did spread as quick as the twitter events say then I don't think non-immune people will be alive anymore

but then that's yet more speculation

I think we'll keep both though, in the interest in just keeping things a bit rounded off

even a "maybe" sounds better than silence if you know what I mean

[digital helm]

New line would be better for readability. Clearer separation

[languid kayak]

Though it seems it's not the case with the visual editor?

Also, kinda related, I kinda think we should start using == Summary == since it's already being added when user types something. I think last time I checked though, adding category at starts puts it in wrong place 🤔. Not sure I want to upload anything just to test though

[digital helm]

I agree

[digital helm]

Oh cool. We should start doing that

[flint vapor]

I seem to be having a problem rn

Outputs from my Lua function that are supposed to be pages (aka [[Page name]]) don't appear as links

What's the equivalent as a template ? Maybe that'd do it

[languid kayak]

oh, I just realized that while I marked https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Header as deprecated, I think it will still be used in categories afterwards, am I right? If so, then deprecated should be removed and just the purpose of the template clarified.

[digital helm]

ah... it should literally just be normal wikitext string. Here's what I do for ll template

function p._makeLink(page, label, lang, section)
    local code = string.lower(lang or '')
    local suffix = languages[code] and ('/' .. lang) or ''
    local sectionPart = section and ('#' .. section) or ''
    local link = '[[' .. page .. suffix .. sectionPart
    if label then link = link .. '|' .. label end
    return link .. ']]'
end

[languid kayak]

I actually think we should add it indeed, we do the same on regular pages after all

(also minor nit for that example is no spaces after * :D)

[flint vapor]

I'm also looking into creating a template to indicate the difficulty level of reading for the modding pages

Do you guys have something in mind to do that, icons to use, ways of it etc

My idea is to have like a 3 level criteria:

• beginner (green)
• medium (orange)
• advanced (red)

And to have 3 small squares that get highlighted based on the level, from 1 to 3 squares based on the difficulty

[languid kayak]

we used to have that on https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Help:Editing_for_beginners but decided to remove that ultimately as it was just Easy and Medium, feel free to take inspiration from that though https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Help:Editing_for_beginners&oldid=1221701

[digital helm]

for some reason, the first thing that came to mind was these

[flint vapor]

Ew

[flint vapor]

I guess that makes sense

Maybe I should think about it more if that's applicable here

[digital helm]

dunno what to tell ya. It 100% gives aiming (also reloading). They could be using a mod, or have it mixed up with one of the other shows

[languid kayak]

huh, interesting then. Maybe they were too far away from it? Or the game glitched? Screen shots the VHS as watched

[digital helm]

No idea

[languid kayak]

Might be worth asking though, they were active in verifying similar stuff, so something to figure out I guess https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/Dimko

[digital helm]

The one they have marked as watched in the screenshot is a different episode

[flint vapor]

So is Lua faster than templates ?

Not exactly right ?
Like for large amounts of data, would it make sense to use Lua ?

[languid kayak]

ah, so I guess that's the confusion 😄

[digital helm]

it's so much faster. Small templates are negligible, but pretty much any actual logic will be faster with lua

often ranging from 4x-8x times faster, or 180,000x faster when scanning text strings, which can exceed the 500-character parser-function markup limit as 64,000 characters or more

[flint vapor]

Asking bcs I need to do something about the load time for this page:
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Procedural_distributions

[proud cobalt]

I don't think it matters a whole lot on file pages tbh

[languid kayak]

not really, yeah. Also realized I wrote "space" when I meant "newline" 😄 Got some followup discussion with Vail too

[digital helm]

Oh, that'd probably be because of the table. Unfortunately lua won't help with that (at least it hasn't for our testing)

[flint vapor]

Yea figured

[proud cobalt]

Should probably only list Miles, unless its in the actual game as km?

[digital helm]

er, that's a hard one because a tile is 1x1m, right?

[proud cobalt]

On my todo to add to the formatter

[languid kayak]

@rotund echo your edit brought me some thinking, should Coalfield be considered its own region or sub-region like Crossroads Mall, The Grand Ohio Mall or Fallas Lake? If so, should it be listed under Doe Valley Forest in navbox?

Kinda unrelated but Louisville International Airport is not listed there as a subregion of LV

[proud cobalt]

Of course it is 😆 1 yard is pretty close to 1m

[languid kayak]

I think the lengths came from spawning map?

And yeah, should be 5 miles

I think I'll change it to miles only then, thanks

[proud cobalt]

That would be Miles on the map

[languid kayak]

the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Kentucky_144#Major_intersections already lists km and miles anyway, maybe miles could take precedence?

Same on other pages like that https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Kentucky_60

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Kentucky_163 is the only one actualkly listing miles but it's stub without a table like others 😄 https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Kentucky_163

[digital helm]

people still use that 🤭

[flint vapor]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Infobox/socials

Alright, reworked the template to use Lua

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Module:Socials

And to add new icons, you can simply edit this table now:
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Module:Socials/data

Previous template formats are supported but should no longer be used, idk if we can somehow automate the replacement @proud cobalt ?

[digital helm]

Any chance you could now do that for all the infoboxes? 😄

[flint vapor]

I'm not too familiar with the whole in-depth of infoboxes, what'd you want changed ?

[digital helm]

I was joking, but it'd basically every part, including this monstrosity https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Infobox_item

None of us want to do it

[flint vapor]

💀

[languid kayak]

My current mental capacity is beyond touching anything other than simple edits, but does the trouble stems from it being just the sheer amount of work?

[digital helm]

Pretty much. Some complexities

Also the risk of it breaking everything

[languid kayak]

but the end benefit would be speed and possibly easier mainteneance in the future, right?

[digital helm]

Maintenance would be the main thing. Don't think it would improve speed that much, since it's only used once on a page

[languid kayak]

I should definitely get into Lua, so far it's mostly black magic, as I barely grasp templates 😄

[digital helm]

tbf templates are worse than any actual programming language

everything feels like a hacky solution, to what should be a simple problem

[languid kayak]

Probably yeah. I guess it's mostly I got to deal with them more than I did with actual programming lately, so I got somewhat used to them 😄

[proud cobalt]

God forbid it have loops or variable manipulation

[languid kayak]

I removed oldid in https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Crowbar%2Fes&diff=1263519&oldid=1258855 but technically couldn't them support oldid too? Just point to oldid version of the translated page?

[digital helm]

They could yeah. I see no problem with that

[gloomy glen]

Should I remove the oldid in the translations from now on?

Or keep them?

[proud cobalt]

It would link to the english page

[gloomy glen]

Do I remove it then? Not trying to be dense, just dont want to fuck up 😭

[proud cobalt]

Either remove it or change it to a Spanish page

[gloomy glen]

Alright, ty!

[languid kayak]

Yeah, was thinking of pinging you 😄 You can link to oldid to last Spasnish revision before B42, but I think the actual showing of it is not working yet, but nothing will break if you add it.

Just make sure if's not the same as on English page, or like Calvy said, it will redirect you to English page then.

[languid kayak]

@thin cloud The London Post (title for https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Old_Newspaper#Variants ) is about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London,_Kentucky or the London in the UK?

[languid kayak]

@lucid junco you created https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Notable_Tables_Showroom (and other LVA locations) recently, I fixed the link in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Louisville_International_Airport#Community_services (the coordinates are totally wrong though, and tables are a mess btw), but I wonder why these are listed twice? You think they should be under Retail & Commercial or Industrial or both?

[lucid junco]

I dont know why they are listed twice, wasn't my work

But I was planning on redoing the whole page

or at least the businesses section

[thin cloud]

Can't remember tbh

[languid kayak]

Is it Flex•Hinge and not Flex.Hinge btw? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Flex•Hinge

[lucid junco]

Oh, I think it would be Flex.hinge

[languid kayak]

okay, moved then 🙂

@proud cobalt are we changing the wording in parser for future edits to this btw? I remember had a brief discussion https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Cola&curid=291&diff=1263279&oldid=1236733

[proud cobalt]

It's not in the parser

Was added manually

[languid kayak]

ah true, it ends with "mL." in parser indeed

[languid kayak]

btw @proud cobalt you think you could make a list of pages that have the same "2=oldid"s? Would be easy to find any remaining duplicate ones for Spanish and possibly other pages?

Also, following the items merging, we have a bunch of https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:BrokenRedirects – not sure if they are straight up for removal, or redirects?

[proud cobalt]

Is it that much of an issue?

[proud cobalt]

Oh yeah i did the first batch but not the second i can fix that

[languid kayak]

not really, was just wondering how easy it is, but it's of low importance 😄

@digital helm this page https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Chevalier_Cerise_Wagon_(wood_paneling) is not linked in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Vehicle and https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Vehicle_list – any idea why?

Found it through https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:LonelyPages

Are we deleting these following the language removal? Not sure if they have any potential archival value really, given we have old versions backed up and could be recreated technically?
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Close_curtain_JP.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Equip_Weapon_JP.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Make_Ripped_sheet_JP.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Set_sheet_JP.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Treatment_2_JP.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Treatment_JP.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Barricade_Wooden_JP.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Farming_harvest_JP.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Farming_Seed_JP.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Farming_Watering_JP.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Fishing_JP.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Foraging_location_JP.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Foraging_select_JP.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Make_Sheet_rope_JP.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Rain_Collect_2_JP.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Rain_Collect_JP.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Tie_up_Sheet_rope_JP.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Trapping_feed_JP.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Trapping_Trap_Place_JP.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Trapping_get_JP.png

Seems all are by https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/Halkaze who's still active, so can ask I guess? Pinging @proud cobalt and @digital helm for opinions?

[proud cobalt]

Japanese hasn't been removed so not sure where these came from

Likely from Jp pages not edited since build 30

[digital helm]

The id was in the base variant page, so the parser was picking up that one first. I've removed it, so next run it'll be fixed.
https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Chevalier_Cerise_Wagon&diff=1263619&oldid=1237395

[proud cobalt]

Those did, in fact, get removed

[digital helm]

No need to keep them? They're fairly outdated, especially with the model, farming, foraging, trapping, etc. changes

[languid kayak]

yeah, that 🙂

[languid kayak]

I guess these too? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Barricaded.jpg https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Supplies.jpg https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:First_hold_out.jpg ?

[proud cobalt]

Yep

[languid kayak]

and https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Barricade_world.png

[languid kayak]

I know buildings are not well-maintained yet, but I guess this could use version at least? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Amphora

This image is unused as well https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Build_Amphora.png

[proud cobalt]

Should have a version at least

[languid kayak]

yeah, weird it never had one it seems 😄 Maybe we can track pages with no {{Page version}} on them?

in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Site_maintenance

[digital helm]

Probably my fault. Must've missed it

[languid kayak]

btw, what's the end deal with https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Louisville_polce_headquarters_map_close_up_TL_Bailey.png ? It seems it's finally unused, but this weird map is https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Phoenix_Protocol_Project_Zomboid_Wiki_OvermapLV_fandom_Louisville_Police_Department_and_Detention_Services_tl_bailey.png

The latter is in infobox and the first was last present before @rotund echo updated the page https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Louisville_Police_Department_and_Detention_Services&oldid=1116341

[flint vapor]

The categories for modding need to be accessible from the Navbar, which currently doesn't provide anything for that compared to the previous Header
I want to add something to access the category of the current page like Header had, but I know you guys made this Navbar to in fact no longer have that, but that's really really necessary for the modding wiki

Take for example Lua events:
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Current_Lua_events

When on an event page, the user need to be able to access the category to navigate back to the list:
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/OnGameStart

So the question is, do I make the Navbar have the same style as the previous Header, with extra access for pages (currently I'd change it to links to the modding fields I think)

[languid kayak]

Any chance it will eventually resolve itself when we move navboxes to lua btw? That or use more modules instead of templates somewhere down the road?

There are also some pages in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Pages_with_too_many_expensive_parser_function_calls and https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Incorrect_template_usage – not sure I'll fix them

oh and https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Pages_with_template_loops

and https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Pages_with_incorrect_crafting_usage as well

[proud cobalt]

Hard for me to say, it's possible when the infobox moves to lua

This thing is just used in so many recipes

One thing to note is it breaks categories

Because we're using ll for categories it never gets added

[proud cobalt]

I think these are from 42.12 redoing the files, should be fixed with the 42.13 bot run

[digital helm]

Instead of linking to pages, you could link to categories. You could also have multiple navbars, one for each major category, if you wanted, but only use the relevant one for each page

[flint vapor]

The thing is that accessing the pages themselves is also very useful if not as useful

[languid kayak]

you can link to [[:Category:Name]] the same way as pages and treat it as such

and then mix and match them at will 😄

We generally avoid linking to categories (wiki used to do that a lot in the past, using categories instead of deciated item lists/pages), but it's still possible if you think it's worth it

[flint vapor]

That's not what I'm talking about here again, that's not what my question and remark are for

[languid kayak]

The navboxes will be revamped too eventually, just no ETA

[flint vapor]

My idea was whenever I should go with doing it in a certain way, normalize it on the wiki

Like have an icon to access the category next to the pages

Bcs if I link both the categories and pages, how tf do I even write that, I would end up with:

[[Modding]] ([[:Category:Modding|category]])
``` ?

I can't do that for every fields

That's going to be absolutely massive

This is already really big

I can't just diplicate each entries

This is going to be a mess

[digital helm]

An icon seems to be the most reasonable. I can't think of any alternatives. It's not something we'll use elsewhere on the wiki, as Faal mentioned

You could have a subtemplate, so you just need to input the name once, if that's what you're concerned about?

[flint vapor]

My concern is just about having something in the style of the wiki

[digital helm]

Sorry, I don't have any ideas for it

[flint vapor]

An icon I think is the right way, but what icon ? And introduce it in which way ?

[proud cobalt]

An Icon seems fine, it's good to remember that a lot of stuff we're doing here is breaking new ground so it's fine to have novel solutions to these kinds of issues and improve them over time.

[flint vapor]

I haven't mastered the wiki styling at all, if it were just me I'd pick a random ass icon on internet and use that, but that's not how that should be handled

So my question is mostly, just what icon ?

Exactly for the same reason I asked my question regarding the difficulty marking for the modding pages, bcs I do not know how I should style that

[proud cobalt]

Have a look through the images and see if theres one that seems like it would fit, otherwise can we can find something with an open license
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Images

[digital helm]

If you make your own, a flat icon would be best, so it can be inverted

Here's one I just made

[flint vapor]

These should be useful, I'll check those out

I have a plan to make a template which allows users to switch between Windows, Linux and MacOS methods

Mostly useful for anything that involve paths

[flint vapor]

That, or maybe it could be an arrow pointing back in a way ?

Could be a sort of listing icon too

Or a sort of tree like icon

[digital helm]

The game has this. I'd just make it a solid colour though

[flint vapor]

Hmm

Where is this arrow in the game ?

[digital helm]

No idea if it's used, but it's in ui/emotes/

[flint vapor]

There's that one too

[flint vapor]

I think it's in the emote wheel

Also what do I use to detect the current user color setting ?

To chose whenever to set the icon in dark or light mode

[digital helm]

logo-light if it's light logo, and logo-dark if it's a dark logo

[flint vapor]

Ok oh shit I can make graphs with the svg lib for the Lua extension
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Scribunto/Lua_reference_manual#SVG_library

[languid kayak]

Well, putting [[Category:Build thumbnails]] into the field when uploading image results in something like that:

== Summary ==
[[Category:Build thumbnails]]
== Licensing ==
{{License|The Indie Stone}}

So yeah, category is on the top 😄

Wish there'd be a way to choose category when uploading images though. Would probably make life much easier, as I have to go through all uploads and categorize them when checking recent changes.

[flint vapor]

Ah yea I'm stupid I forgot it automatically adapts bruh

[flint vapor]

That means I can maybe do that thing as a Lua module
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Procedural_distributions#Problem_with_the_system

And also I want to plot the current join count for members for the modding and mapping discord, which means I can do that directly with Lua 👀

Should we have specific naming for Lua plots ?

[proud cobalt]

That could be useful for all types of graphs and too

Like correlations between skill level and damage etc

[flint vapor]

Definitely

Do we have a specific naming scheme for modules ?

Should we do like a Module:Plot thing, and subpages like Module:Plot/Join count

I feel like it'll quickly become a mess

I guess for now that's fine

@proud cobalt is the svg lib just not installed by default or what ?

mw.svg returns nil

[proud cobalt]

I have no idea

[proud cobalt]

That's up to however Kirrus installed it

[flint vapor]

Maaaan my dreams are shattered

@restive adder hey, is svg drawing possible with the Lua extension rn ?

[languid kayak]

Not sure if it's relevant to this, but we talked about .svg uploads IIRC? @digital helm may remember more

[flint vapor]

Yea but drawing directly from the wiki is even better

svg upload is cool, but directly making figures inside the wiki from data directly inside the wiki is even better

[languid kayak]

SVGs would be welcome for some icons too (quality and space savings), though currently there are also issues with webp and apngs too https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Faalagorn/Image_compression#Animations

[flint vapor]

Imagine, I could just have the join count for the mapping and modding Discord directly as a dataset inside the wiki, that I could update

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Module:Plot_communities_join_count
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:SirDoggyJvla/sandbox2

rip

[languid kayak]

btw, I uploaded all the missing icons for build in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Build_thumbnails

These images are a small detail that's barely visible on Steam, but whoever does it, kudos to keeping doing them, they at least add some flavour to the pages 😄

[flint vapor]

Can we not link to mediawiki directly ?

Like for wikipedia ?

[[Wikipedia:Page name]] for example

[languid kayak]

[[mw:]]

[flint vapor]

October modding summary

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:SirDoggyJvla/summary

[restive adder]

Keeping the qty the wiki has to work when generating pages down is a priority. Not sure that dynamic svg generation is wise, we're already spending a lot of CPU time on thumbnails, since they aren't cached currently

[languid kayak]

<@&1205891296565268520> Without further ado, it's the October 2025 summary time! Enjoy the read https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:News#October_2025_summary

Don't want this ping? Remove the wiki editor role in id:customize

[frail fossil]

Wow you guys are organized enough to have summaries?

Cool

[languid kayak]

Monthly for… quite a while already 😄

[frail fossil]

Nice

[languid kayak]

They are now 1st Sunday of the month now. Used to be last Sunday before and at first not-so-regular, but now we do have them monthly. Mostly me summarizing things, but each project leader (see https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Community_portal#Projects for the list of projects) got the occasion to write a summary if they wish. All edits are credited, even the littlest ones too, as I take notes once I patrol stuff

[dense veldt]

I'm just so cool

[languid kayak]

You can browse through the old ones in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:News (current year, which is 2025) and they are archived yearly:
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:News/2024
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:News/2023 (first ones done by me, wasn't planned to be monthly at first so were not so regular or organized)
and then https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:News/2014-2019 which were brought by Connall and then Vail testing the water

[snow rivet]

This is actually such nice motivation/recognition for editors/minor contributors.
For example, I've been slackin' enough to not even be in this one...I've gotta find something to contribute so my name gets into November's summary!!

[frail fossil]

Nice 👍

[languid kayak]

Yup 😄 We got https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Awards too, but the concept didn't really cought to a full extent. Basically any editor can give another editor an award of any kind. So far it's been Spiffos inspired by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Barnstars and a Microwave from Kate Aces from Fallout Wiki 🙂

[frail fossil]

How many active editors would you say the pz wiki has?

It seems like a lot for an indie game

[lucid junco]

Id say up to 20 semi active?

[dense veldt]

Maybe I'll try to be one, I did the panic stuff cause I kinda thought "hm, still no info on that, maybe I should be the guy to find that out"

[lucid junco]

Maybe more

[frail fossil]

That is a lot better than the Rimworld wiki

If we had monthly summaries it would just be "40% of our pages are stubs! Good work everyone"

[lucid junco]

Cant say that pz wiki is any better or worse

[frail fossil]

Well it appears more put together than the Rimworld wiki at least

[lucid junco]

No matter how much editors there are it always feels like not enough

[languid kayak]

surprisingly not many for the scope. The number of active users updates daily on the main page and you can check them on https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:ActiveUsers too

[frail fossil]

Oh cool

[lucid junco]

Even wikipedia struggles with updating

[languid kayak]

It counts anyone with an edit over 30 days. Some used to be bots, but we filter them good nowadays

[lucid junco]

And its wikipedia

[frail fossil]

I guess all wikis are like that then

The Rimworld wiki has tried to use Lua modules before but it's been hindered by the fact that the most prolific editors don't know how to use Lua

[lucid junco]

And not every wiki has official support from devs

[languid kayak]

We are lucky the two most active admins now, Vail and Calvy, are most active with it, but the Doggy Jvla leading modding project is prolific with Lua too so the modules while not really used heavily yet, serve their purpose

[frail fossil]

the rimworld wiki does have official support from the devs, they pay for the site

[lucid junco]

Let alone devs giving servers to run the whole thing

[frail fossil]

and that's pretty much it 💀

[languid kayak]

Yeah, wanted to mention that. While TIS doesn't directly edit the wiki, they provide hosting and other help

[frail fossil]

that's cool

[languid kayak]

But you can actually ask some folks around here 🙂

[frail fossil]

i think stardew valley guy also does that too

[lucid junco]

you can ask tis about the game here

Devs being: Pat, Pat and Pat

[languid kayak]

The developers are mostly busy with stuff and thanks to the modding folks, most data we can pull ourselves, but in case something would need an aid, it's way easier for us to reach than a totally unofficial wiki

[languid kayak]

You forgot Pat, who sometimes hangs here too

[lucid junco]

Honestly never witnessed him

[frail fossil]

wow they all changed their names to Pat?

[snow rivet]

You don't have to commit to being a semi-regular editor or anything, either!
Any contributions are always welcome < 3

[frail fossil]

lol if i ever get tired of rimworld i might start editing

[languid kayak]

One of our admins/project leader, ThinkDock played Rimword too, even suggested we could reach their wiki admins, though we're not actively looking for cooperation outselves, Kate Aces form Fallout WIki reached us first, that's how we got the affiliate with them (basically they got to shout something on the summary and we have them on a sidebar, and they link to us on their community pages :D), but we're open in case anyone want to suggest something (though sadly we're mostly busy with doing edits ourselves, so time's not always at hands, even for our admins sadly)

[frail fossil]

I'm not sure what an affiliate is

Games are different, what does a link to another wiki do?

[languid kayak]

Cooperating wiki mostly, for us it's just Independent Fallout WIki (fallout.wiki) https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Affiliates

They have a lot more 😄

https://fallout.wiki/wiki/Community:Project_Zomboid_Wiki

[frail fossil]

that is a lot lol

[languid kayak]

They have 90,066 articles • 168,879 files • 4,382,846 edits which is way more than we have 😄

But Fallout is bigger and older franchise, so understandable

[serene sage]

that's a lot of edits

we can catch up to them if we save our edits letter by letter 😄

[frail fossil]

90k articles???

did they make an article for every NPC lol

I tried playing the first fallout game 💀 i think it's too old for me

[languid kayak]

It is, it's from 90s after all. Playing it at early 2000s was way easier 😄

Sadly no remakes. They are engine recreations/fixes, but they only offer things like improved resolution and nothing else.

Original devs made Fallout 1, 2 and what was supposed to be 3 (Van Buren) made its way to Fallout New Vegas, so if you want something modern you can try the last one too. It celebrated it's 15th anniversary too (I double checked if it's indeed 15 years, gee, I'm old)

Each game can be played independently really too

[frail fossil]

Alright 👍

Yeah the first fallout game is older than i am

the screen goes completely black whenever i tab out 💀

it took me way too long to figure out how to move

[languid kayak]

https://github.com/alexbatalov/fallout1-ce – this was the last engine recreation I tried for Fallout 1 (it's reverse engineered), though the versions on Steam (or GOG) should work fine on WIndows too

The Fallout 1 CE is what allowed to play on 3DS or PS Vita though

[frail fossil]

that sounds cool 👍

Apparently games from back then came with physical manuals

so i had to go find a copy for the instructions on how to play 💀

[languid kayak]

Fallout wasn't that one, but some games had 100 pages of them 😄

[frail fossil]

really? then what is the pdf i found online

https://cdn.cloudflare.steamstatic.com/steam/apps/38400/manuals/Fallout_manual_English.pdf?t=1572025441

it is 121 pages long

[languid kayak]

Baldur's Gate had every spell and lore described there for example 😄 As well as mechanics

[frail fossil]

the entire first chapter has nothing to do with the fallout game and is about real life nuclear explosions

[languid kayak]

oh so it had that too 😄 So yeah, it was just my edition that was poor 😉

[frail fossil]

i am glad that modern games have in-game explanations though 😢

[languid kayak]

Back then you had to fit a game on a HD that had several gigs total so yeah 🙃. Fallout was really nice for having the talking heads back then. While they look ancient now, they didn't age that bad

[frail fossil]

i got jumpscared by that old guy in the first cutscene

🤣

[flint vapor]

Yea I personally include people that participated in the modding wiki in the last month

There's usually not too many people tho

[flat sun]

i don't know why i'm surprised every month that i make it in 😅

[snow rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/surprise-welcome-one-sure-gif-13921142

[flint vapor]

A single edit and you're in

Usually it's Umbrella stuff

[languid kayak]

Seems that following the bottle renames, this page would need updates https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Fluid_container#Items – a lot of red links 😄

Also not sure if the container name should be linked instead?

And gas tanks could be removed, I think they can't be filled with anyting other than gasoline when they are in vehicle.

I think this was automatically generated, right @digital helm?

And displaynames for items like https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Jerry_Can will be fixed once the new version pops, right @proud cobalt?

Right now it says "Jerrycan of Gas" 😄

[languid kayak]

I went through all the pages in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:LonelyPages btw, other than this Chevalier Cerise Wagon with wood paneling, there are three tiles that are not on https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Tile_list – with SYF on backburner it might be that it just isn't updated, but maybe worth looking into?
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/49_/_99_Cent_Sign (updated 41.78.16)
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Mall_Decoration (42.8.0)
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Patient_Chair (42.8.0)

The rest are these two: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Ammunition_(crafting) https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Survival_(crafting) which I believe we're keeping for 41.78.16

The rest are https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Lua_events that aren't linking to each other… Not sure how up-to-date lua events are (all pages are updated to 42.0.2 except few obsolete ones we weren't sure about and are marked as 41.65), but to make them not appear orphaned, they should link to each other (either via == See also == or by having a list like https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Item_list for these). Not sure that's something you want to look at eventually @flint vapor (probably of low priority, other than actually finding orphaned pages easier without these on there :D)

[flint vapor]

Wdym orphaned pages ?

I don't have a reason to link those pages anywhere, because they are all listed in a category

And it's very likely I can't even add a "See also" for a lot of these as it's likely they don't have any events that are similar

I actively tell users to access the list of events from the category, which is also why categories are used a lot in the modding wiki

[languid kayak]

yeah, figured. Oprhaned are exactly that, not linked anywhere else from. MediaWiki generates it automatically. Usually it's not issue since we have == See also == or lists such as item lists.

Generally handy to find obscure or unused pages otherwise.

[flint vapor]

Tbf

[languid kayak]

I figured that too 😄

[flint vapor]

Thanks to the Lua things, I can maybe finally automate the listing of events

The reason I had ditched the list in the Lua event page, was because I'd have to manually update it

But now that Lua can most likely do that job, fetch every pages in a category, and format them like I want, I could just do that now

In fact, I could do that with a lot more pages, like parameters for Item scripts

That Lua stuff opens a lot of ideas for me

And if I can draw plots, that's going to be even better

Tho I don't need that many plots on the wiki anyway, but that'd be cool

@proud cobalt alright, that's in an usable state
The only thing not present is the gizmo to rotate the model around, currently you can only pan the view and zoom in/out

Weapons need that weapon rotation hack bool to be activated or they get badly oriented, but I automated that, so you shouldn't have to bother with it

UI is opened by pressing U, but I'll change that in the future to use a panel that you open

I can also maybe automatically max the model size in the 3D view, so it fits in the borders, but that'd require a lot of experimentation as I'm unsure if it's possible

I can add an automatic parsing like for outfits if needed

Clothings are bugged/unusable in this tool, bcs they are either in full black so no texture or they straight up don't have a model. I think this is due to how differently they are handled by the game (they have extra definitions for models and textures in xml files compared to item models)

You can view either every models in the game, or every items in the game, in case you ever need to view every available models

For items it picks the placed on ground model, I could add something to pick the model type but other attachment points are usually things like attached to the player, so it might be bugged

[languid kayak]

Actually, there's more red links https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Container

Hopefully will all settle by the time of 42.13 or whatever patch will be next when we run the parser

[flint vapor]

Also we could have a tool to render every animations in the game, if that's something you guys want for the wiki

I think that could be cool, there's some secret animations players don't know about

Like

Or the good ol' banned animation

Wait there's an animation for dying by drinking bleach lol ?

[languid kayak]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:WantedCategories @proud cobalt @digital helm you may figure it out, but for some reason these change first letter to uppercase requesting categories that won't exist 😄 should be /xx and not /Xx

[languid kayak]

I think?

[flint vapor]

It's not used tho no ?

I don't remember the player doing a specific animation for dying of bleach

[languid kayak]

not sure tbh

[flint vapor]

Also I'll upload the Wiki Tools mod

That way it's automatically updated when needed on your side

And if anyone wants to use those, they can do so

[gloomy glen]

I've some questions about the Template:Recipe_list/es (pls let me know if I'm not explaining myself, brain isn't braining)
the names were translated like: [[Clavos]] instead of [[Nails/es|Clavos]] which idk if applies here (I'm assuming it does but ???)

using nails as example bc the page does exist but it's not linking, yet "amplificador" does redirect to the right page

also there's the problem that many of those aren't using the ingame names

honestly i don't even remember how i ended up in that page tho :x

[languid kayak]

It seems to be a remnant of old translations where it was based on redirects

Although weird it's that new 🤔

Normally translations back from 2011 were like that

[gloomy glen]

what do i do? 🙁

[flint vapor]

Wiki Tools

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Wiki_Tools

[languid kayak]

Something's wrong with this btw @digital helm @proud cobalt https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Briefcase#Code=====Contents_=

[languid kayak]

Is it generated automatically? If so, then it's a bug for @digital helm to report I guess. If not, then you'd translate them as [[Item/es|Item]]. Though redirects are fine too, but ultimately they should be replaced by /xx variants

[digital helm]

I think this is something more for @proud cobalt I'm not sure how the recipe_list works

[digital helm]

Part of the item merging it seems. What a weird bug

[gloomy glen]

No, manually translated

[languid kayak]

Okay, gonna go sleep now. Things I did before that was kinda overdue removal of bugs fixed in 42.12 in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Known_game_bugs (mostly the duplicate parameters, the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Generator page still need updates, but I moved the outdated to relevant section). The rest needs to be checked for latest version, but I believe they are there. They can wait to be checked with 42.13 or whatever is the next patch I guess. I didn't update all the item pages while at it though, just removed appropriate trivia for most.

Other than that, I went further clearing out the version history pages, removing == Changelog == in favor of just going straight into == Fixes == or == Added == or whatever headers each patch has. The only problem I can potentially see though is that things like == Trivia == or == External links == are also level 2.

I then went more into splitting Build 41 further and realized one version can have two dates (stable and unstable), so far it was this https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Build_41.78.13 – I linked the unstable patchlog as external link for now but maybe the https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Template:Infobox_version could be expanded to handle it more nicely. Originally the template was made to be used on pages like https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Build_41 and not individual small patches, so the latest/stable/beta dates is an afterthought. I'd need to have some time clear head and time for that, so not sure if I'm gonna touch it soon though 🤔

[proud cobalt]

Almost 1/4th of those are @past glacier btw, over 1 million edits herself

[proud cobalt]

20 is probably pretty close if we're referring to people that come and do a few edits within every say 3 months. We had 40 accounts with at least 1 action last month, many of these small fixes, some who only do translations (both of which we appreciate ofc). Regular editors as in if i see them in the recent edits and dont feel the need to check their edit for quality it's probably closer to 10 excluding admins.

[frail fossil]

you made 11k edits in the last 30 days

how 💀

[proud cobalt]

TIS have hosted the wiki since 2011, and their direct contributions to wiki efforts has fluctuated since then. Kirrus has always been the Server manager but there was also a wiki manager Connall until he left in 2020, he also handled community translations (and set up i believe). Right before B42 however they opened a few lines of communication, Kirrus has added some great extensions for us to catch up with other wikis, and @obsidian atlas has been a great addition as CM helping update our discord channels / roles, and as another line of communication.

[frail fossil]

that is cool

[proud cobalt]

Been a good month for me 😄

[frail fossil]

i don't have any way to contact the rimworld devs lol

i mean, i guess i do have a way, but not any official way lol

Community translations?

Like translating the wiki?

[proud cobalt]

There probably wasnt a Polish version lol

[proud cobalt]

Yeah i only just moved that last night as part of merging (option 3) of fluid containers. It might be in the next bot run, depends on how we go with the Parser. @digital helm may have done it already

But afaik there's a fair bit of work that will go into that

[proud cobalt]

Yeah tiles... one day

[digital helm]

Getting my ducks in a row now

[proud cobalt]

Yeah all of this stuff is because of all the merging and renames

[proud cobalt]

I'm not sure if that's in our scope

[proud cobalt]

Is this banned? Is that why the gun suicide mod dissapeared?

[flat sun]

i don't think there's been any statement on it but i assume they just dropped the idea to avoid controversy, and likely aiteron removed the mod for the same reason when he joined TIS

in general suicide mods/mods using those animations don't get removed

[proud cobalt]

Oh you shouldn't need to translate this, this is for Build 41. Where are you trying to use it?

[proud cobalt]

Not sure what happened here, likely an error when merging. Fixed

[proud cobalt]

Do you want a second date added to the infobox?

[proud cobalt]

Interesting, theres plenty of ways to kill yourself in PZ already lol

[flat sun]

yeah, i'm not fully convinced it's a necessary precaution but it would be the only explicit kill yourself button which may be where it crosses the line

[proud cobalt]

Before B42 all translations were done by community members and submitted to this github repo, to then be included in the game
https://github.com/TheIndieStone/ProjectZomboidTranslations

[gloomy glen]

Tbh I forgot what I was doing lol jumping through things so I ended up losing train of thought. Gonna leave it alone then, there's still a lot of stuff I was translating that isn't related

[languid kayak]

I got a budget release 😄 (though it still came in cardboard big box)

[languid kayak]

You can put two dates, but the way it is dond with "latest" it shows the dates three times, not sure if that's what we want for individual versions? I think latest was done so falks know at glance where the last patch was.

I was also thinking of adding two patchlogs (unstable and stable). Maybe even more, to link both to forums and Steam

[flint vapor]

Yea I think it's usually mass report doing it

[flint vapor]

Yea was mostly a joie bcs at this point that's basically what it is

Those mod tend to get removed

[lucid junco]

@languid kayak @digital helm Your opinion on whether its okay to set up pages for devs that hadn't set it up yet?

Im slowly bookmarking every page related to Zomboid, TIS and devs history

[digital helm]

As in their user pages, or an actual article? An article for them would be good. User page maybe not

[lucid junco]

Im thinking more of articles

[digital helm]

I think that'd be really good to do

[lucid junco]

I believe we have articles in TIS navbar

And RJ still doesn't have a page

Ill start planning things out after locations are more or less finished

[languid kayak]

Ironically, I was thinking about it just yesterday 😄 Generally yeah, that was the case in the past. Unless some developer explicitly doesn't want to for whatever reason, though they are mostly credited in credits anyway

And yeah, Romain Dron and Tim Baker are still linked and no one did the page for them 😄

listed as tasks here https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Project_History#The_Indie_Stone but with new hires after B41 there's more people that deserve a page anyway

[lucid junco]

Ill think of something up tomorrow

Surely Ill finish locations today

[languid kayak]

As in LVA?

[lucid junco]

Primarily LVA

and some locations i may have forgot

[languid kayak]

shubert's estate 😄

the one location that no one is sure where is on them map 😄

or was it Meadshire?

nah, schubert it was

just ch so I couldn't find it lol

It's linked twice https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Schubert's_Estate

[lucid junco]

wait, Pat only joined tis in 2023?

https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2023/01/walk-in-the-woodz/

@languid kayak @naive imp Do you remember the blogpost with beefy tofu logo?

[lucid junco]

• Tofu factory -> tofu shipping
• Look inside
• Only meat products

What did tis mean by this

[thin cloud]

I did blogs before then

[amber cargo]

Hello! Just joined the channel, and keen to help with wiki updates if they are needed. Are there any resources or details around? I have an embarrassing number of hours in this game and am keen to do something constructive with them 😅

[languid kayak]

makes sense

[languid kayak]

makes sense too 😄

[languid kayak]

doesn't ring a bell; what was it about? Also you can search blog posts for text on projectzomboid.com

[languid kayak]

If you need help editing https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Help:Contents is a start, if you want to see projects, they are on https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Community_portal and if you are more-or-less keen on editing wiki, https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Site_maintenance has various lists of pages that need attention 🙂

[naive imp]

Assuming its another loot error like the other factories

[naive imp]

Faal already linked a bunch of stuff, but in general just pick something you think needs information and add it as needed. If youre knowledgeable about Skills, a lot of them could use some updates. Most are based on b41 info

[flint vapor]

I'm looking for something to make selectable tabs, to switch tabs opened, as an example like the health panel of the game which has multiple tabs but for the wiki as a template. Do we have anything like that ? Not talking about a collapsible window, just tabs

[proud cobalt]

Other than a navbar to a new page that sounds like something that would require js

[flint vapor]

Eh ...

I have a lot of use cases for this kind of stuff ...

Is there any way we can get anything like that implemented ? There's no way the wiki doesn't have such a native feature ? I think I remember seeing it in other wikis too, I'd have to chceck how they do it

[proud cobalt]

If you could find an example that would be good. @digital helm handles all the js side of things. Kirrus doesn't like much js being added afaik

[flint vapor]

I'll see if I can find one, might have been on the Minecraft wiki
I want to use such a feature for OS specific listing, like paths codeblocks, or for example switching to gain space

Basically code blocks but multiple tabs

[proud cobalt]

Yeah that would be helpful

[digital helm]

afaik those wikis use JS to switch between them. Similar to our infobox images. wiki farms like fandom probably have it as a feature they've added, but it's not native to MediaWiki

[lucid junco]

I think im gonna go crazy trying to find it

It was posted under Glowing Onez blog post

But I cannot find the original pic anywhere

[lucid junco]

Yeah it is

I was almost done with Beefy Tofu when my ISP decided to not SP me any I

[proud cobalt]

Other than the guides and such, a good way to get into editing is to edit sections about things you really enjoy, as they're the things you're likely most knowledgeable in.

For example, I spend the vast majority of my time on items as I really enjoy PZs vast variety of items (even if it sends me insane sometimes). Do you like items, a specific mechanic like cooking or crafting, first aid. Or maybe you like all the different map locations, or lore etc. I can help point you in the right direction

[lucid junco]

@naive imp As a fun fact, I think none of the factories in lv airport area have proper loot definitions

https://tenor.com/view/sisyphus-rock-mp4-transparent-color-gif-11114772717737196968

[flint vapor]

Not loading lol ?

[lucid junco]

Again, my isp started avoiding sping me some i

So I can't even load the basic page for uploading images

[flint vapor]

Upload images from editing a page

Like I do

[lucid junco]

i dont think it would work

cause uuuuh

hooray

[flint vapor]

Lol wtf

[amber cargo]

Cheers, I’ll check those out. Thanks!

[languid kayak]

can't find it either, but I remember I linked to a blog post with logos 🤔 I can only find F.Arable one on the same bacjground

Found just that https://www.reddit.com/r/projectzomboid/comments/1dgcmy3/i_feel_like_this_new_logo_would_look_nicer_with_a/

[naive imp]

VPN brother

Got one one day and never looked back

[naive imp]

Yeah, seems like they borked a lot of the b42 locations. @thin cloud shot in the dark but any word on when these are fixed? I know youre more the lore guy though.

[lucid junco]

As a pro, my new isp doesnt block b42map.com for no reason

uuuh

[lucid junco]

a mouthful, but it works

[proud cobalt]

Yeah the spam protection is pretty active on things like that, if you're not using a vpn send an email to kirrus

[lucid junco]

As a suggestion maybe allow Trusted Users to not get spam limited

I dont create bots but spam limited i do get

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Sleep_Eazzze_Inn
I was trying to move Sleep Eazzze Inn to Sleep EazZze Inn, since that would be more correct to the logo

[proud cobalt]

Yeah that requires adding a new user group, which is up to Kirrus too

Done, and left redirect for searching
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Sleep_EazZze_Inn

[lucid junco]

I dont think redirect was necessary since search already covers lower and upper casing of letters

[proud cobalt]

Search is case sensitive except the first letter

[lucid junco]

Really?

[proud cobalt]

Yeah

Mediawiki thing

[lucid junco]

I see

@digital helm Footnote text highlight is broken on Vector 2022
Not in Citizen though, or if using light theme

As a note, citizen is the only one not to highlight footnote text

[digital helm]

Thanks. I'll take a look

[digital helm]

It's there, just looks really faint for you. I'll check that too

[lucid junco]

Oooh

I see it 😄

[lucid junco]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Louisville_International_Airport

All airport locations finished

[rotund echo]

Anyone know why the MSR700 icon looks like a Winchester 1866

Hell its filename is "LeverActionRifle.png"

[proud cobalt]

Updated the hunger, thirst, and panic moodles. Wow the panic one was a roller coaster

[proud cobalt]

No idea

[languid kayak]

I was thinking about this recently too, we actually _had a discussion about it, sec

here #pzwiki_editing message

The flier calls it "Sleep EaZZZe"

[languid kayak]

old crust I believe, firearms are only now getting some attention

back then magazines were called clips 😄

and rounds were called bullets 😛

[rotund echo]

No, that's actually a newer icon

[languid kayak]

now this is what people will expect and enjopy from wiki, really professional work, thanks!

[languid kayak]

I think Mash still does them, so maybe she just found some random rifle to do that 😄

[rotund echo]

A lever gun for a bolt gun though? o.O

[proud cobalt]

That's the level I want to do all of them. The main issue is how spread out all the related code is. Each of these took over an hour

[languid kayak]

I was doing Build 41 splitting yesterday, but since you mess with moodles, I decided to start doing moodle redirect names from https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Tasks#Bot_tasks since it's probaly easier than bot 😄

[languid kayak]

btw, things like

Significantly higher difficulty clearing firearm jams.
is it possile to get exact values for that?

also 10 and 20 tiles, are these just examples or min/max values? I think it it's clear at a glance?

[proud cobalt]

Sure, the exact value is 12 😂, whatever that means

[proud cobalt]

They're just examples

[languid kayak]

I think it's worth at least noing it, maybe someone will figure out and clarify the details, unless @quartz bear want to code dive for the clearing firearm jams mechanics and what these values means 😄

[quartz bear]

Good morning

Afternoon

[proud cobalt]

Evening

[languid kayak]

and a middle of night for ThinkDock 🙃

(and mid I guess)

[proud cobalt]

[lucid junco]

Its obviously not SLEEP EAzZzE INN due to formatting

[digital helm]

This is great! I just hope they don't change any time soon 😄

[digital helm]

Nice work! 🎉

[digital helm]

That's fixed now. Thanks!

[lucid junco]

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-know-kylo-ren-ben-solo-ben-swolo-adam-driver-gif-18172410183960697461

Im sorry but its not up to multilocation guideline

oh yeah

@thin cloud flier says that Sleep EazZze Inn location is on 2801 Outer Loop

However, in game map list the street as "Terminal Drive"

(PZ map uses same xml as in game map so i used pz map for visibility)

[lucid junco]

Just realised @languid kayak is it okay that I fool around or not properly descriptive changes i make to pages? 😅

Like i hope it doesnt mess with your monthly summary

[quartz bear]

This is actually pretty scary for me

I mean as long as it doesn't involve time units it's fine for me

I'll look into it tomorrow after uni

[rotund echo]

Sharpgolden, why did you make those two galleries into the same one

I specifically kept them as separate galleries because they're two different buildings!!

[lucid junco]

Cause we dont do two galleries

[rotund echo]

Idk, no one reprimanded me for making liberal use of multiple galleries a page

[languid kayak]

you mean the changes summary? It shouldn't matter

[lucid junco]

I think @digital helm had told me not to use more than one galleries, or galleries outside of the "Gallery" section

[rotund echo]

I mean, just take a look at all the skyscraper pages I made, or when I redone the Louisville PD and St. Peregrin

Y'all saw those

[lucid junco]

You did?

I haven't seen them yet

But Im just following the style guide thats been used on rest of the pages with 2 and more locations

if @languid kayak @naive imp and @digital helm agree that your design was fine Ill revert it

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Sleep_EazZze_Inn
https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Sleep_EazZze_Inn&oldid=1267883

[naive imp]

Let me take a look. Gimme a sec. Pinging @rotund echo too for transparency

[languid kayak]

@digital helm I think you were the one discussing it (forgot toreply back then sorry)? The name chance that is

[rotund echo]

This is the only thing style guide says about galleries

Its not explicitly said to be forbidden to have multiple galleries in one page

[lucid junco]

And my revision of
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Stendo's_Firearms_Emporium
https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Stendo's_Firearms_Emporium&oldid=1267963

[languid kayak]

mostly @naive imp I guess, I'm generally fine with having more subgalleries/screens I guess?

[rotund echo]

Your change to add multi location template was fine, I just think the galleries should be kept separated

[lucid junco]

Im more closely following https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Help:Boilerplate_location
while creating pages not to cause any differences in styling between pages

I dont mind different styling as long as locations leader is fine with it

[naive imp]

OK @lucid junco @rotund echo technically no style guidelines or actual rules were broken, but just general formatting.

Typically, on pages with more than one location, I advise against including galleries at all because the multi location template makes the coordinates much more visible, and readers can click on the map and use it to view the interior of different locations. Sometimes, if the images are already there, I leave them up if its a small chain with only two locations and only one floor. However, this location (Sleep Eeazee Inn) has three floors. As such, if I were to edit the page, I would omit the gallery sections entirely.

As for the revision of Stendo's Firearms Emporium, I'm all for including the old version of the gun store, only because this is kind of a significant building and didn't previously have a name. It was confused with West Point Gun Range and Hunting Center, but could not be proven. This should not be the case for all changed buildings. The old versions of the store should be moved to the Trivia section. You can just use the gallery function in the trivia section for this.

In regards to multiple galleries, generally we only use them in cases of extremely large buildings like skyscrapers, which I think are the only places they're actually used, although I could be mistaken.

Proposed solutions:
-Omit gallery entirely from Sleep Eeazee Inn
-Move old pictures of Stendo's Firearms Emporium to trivia section
-Modification of style guide and boilerplate location to more closely define use of galleries and images to avoid this occurring again in the future

Is everyone ok with this or is there anything else yall would like to add?

This is not absolute, open to discussion from everyone

[rotund echo]

I also used multiple galleries for St. Peregrin, Louisville PD, and McCoy Estate

Generally I don't like lumping everything together, it looks more... cluttered

And now, Sleep Eazzze has a bit of nuances primarily because each location is fairly large and its only two buildings in the whole map

I was also basing my own edit of Sleep EaZZZe based on how the article originally was

[naive imp]

Yeah I can see where rhe confusion can originate from. No sweat.

The issue is that now there's two locations.

I typically only use gallery on single location pages to save on maintenance and overall files uploaded because readers can use the coordinates function of the map and the table makes it a lot more obvious that coords can be clicked on

[rotund echo]

Yeah yeah, just delete the whole gallery section and all associated images with that page

Now just remember, all my edits on pzwiki.net are in good faith

[naive imp]

Are you ok with that or do you want to propose an alternative solution? Just seeking total clarification and transparency. I dont wanr you to feel like I'm forcing you to delete stuff

[naive imp]

Always. I dont ever accuse anyone of anything.

Sometimes people just disagree on stuff and that's totally fine. That's what we have this discord and talk pages for

Imo I don't think you or @lucid junco were acting in bad faith. Yall just got confused on formatting

[rotund echo]

I mean, its just bedrooms for the most part, you can delete everything except the flier I guess

[naive imp]

Yeah, gonna keep the flier. I will edit the boilerplate and style guide sometime today to make this more clear on how galleries and other images are standardized so this doesn't happen again.

@lucid junco are you ok with the proposed solutions or do you want to suggest anything else?

[lucid junco]

Honestly I just want to finish all of the locations for real before proposing something

I like organizing, and try to avoid pages in different styles to ones every other page like we had before boilerplates "enforcement"

[naive imp]

Generally I tend to agree. I like to standardize things. I'm gonna add in details related the use of galleries and multiple galleries per page so that way we know going forward how to do this.

Because sometimes you do need multiple

[lucid junco]

If Toadstars style is okay then im fine with that

[naive imp]

View the proposed solutions here #pzwiki_editing message

Just want confirmation that you are ok with it before proceeding

[lucid junco]

I think its fine, skyscrapers are the only one to need extra galleries

or some other other nuisance exceptions

[languid kayak]

Though I'll do it later, but only got time to do the redirects now.

So far I added redirects for https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Hungry (Peckish, Very Hungry, Starving to Death), but we're not renaming it to Hunger for example? Hungry is one of the stages of Hunger moodle. Pinging @proud cobalt for that

also some thing to potentially clarify @proud cobalt and @quartz bear
in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Hungry

As hunger increases, the players foraging chance to find food increases up to a 50% increase in search radius.
Would it be possible to have exact breakthrough of how it inceases proprotial to the moodle stage? Preferably under each stage
Body heat generation slightly/further/moderately/ decreased.
could we have exact values by a chance?

[flint vapor]

I just realized but, there's now no colors for the pages

So we can't easily differenciate modding and general wiki pages

Is that an oversight ? @proud cobalt @languid kayak

[digital helm]

My only issueis using trivia as a gallery. Everything else I'm happy with. I strongly disagree with having a gallery in the trivia section. The gallery section is specifically for things like this. When you have an array of extra images. If there's something like an old image, it can be mentioned in the trivia, but the image should be in the gallery. Unless it's big enough of a topic to have its own section, then the image would be on the side with thumb. This has been the case for other areas of the wiki. Trivia is intended to only be a list of interesting facts, where, a) there isn't significant info to be its own section, and b) it doesn't fit into an existing section.

@lucid junco @rotund echo I think the issue previously was that there were different sections/galleries for indoor and outdoor, when they could've just been one section. This type of issue is usually case-by-case. E.g. see the cow page's gallery.

[languid kayak]

There are in tables and navbox, btu yeah, no header 🤔

[flint vapor]

That's due to the new Navbar

[digital helm]

I noticed this yesterday too. We can always add something to the navbar. Like a bar at the top of something to help differentiate that you're on a modding page

[languid kayak]

are we sure restricted movement is not implemented? I just got one (though it's a debug, mind you)

[languid kayak]

okay, still took me some time as I was sidetracking, but redirects for moodles should be all up now, barred anything I missed/did wrong

Some moodles names may have been changed, so feel free to check them if you guys will

[digital helm]

@proud cobalt might want to take a look

[rotund echo]

Meet my district maps of Doe Valley and Doe Valley Forest respectively, I'll add these to pzwiki.net later

[rotund echo]

And now, my Valley Station district map

[rotund echo]

I didn't see this at first but...

Coalfield should be listed under Doe Valley Forest in the navbox yeah

[proud cobalt]

I think keep it as hungry. It's the ID and the main Moodle level so it makes the most sense

[rotund echo]

Coalfield has numerous buildings that are its own pages, right?

[proud cobalt]

Re foraging: It's a dynamic increase based on a lot of factors. The maximum value is 50% increase as per the "Hungermax" value I found.

Re Body heat: Body heat stuff is really confusing. Unlike thirst where there's a body fluid value that effects how much the player can sweat I couldn't find a similar thing for hunger. It takes into account core temp, skin temp, insulation, exhaustion, etc

[proud cobalt]

I get what you mean, I feel the Navbars stating modding at the top is fairly clear. Did users know what the colours meant anyway?

[proud cobalt]

If you can get it without using debug I'll look into it 😄

[languid kayak]

Are the locations backed by someting btw? I remember @digital helm made a map based on the vehicle spawn location coordinates (used mostly (only?) for the special vehicles (Police cars))

[languid kayak]

Not sure if I'm making things up now, but don't the area east of Crossroads Mall got a name once? It was added back in b41

[languid kayak]

Yeah, should be on https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Coalfield#Businesses

[languid kayak]

Well, the whole temperature system is complex, but sadly not so impactful gameplay wise 😩. Wish it'd get expanded eventually

[languid kayak]

I can try later, though for this I was trying to get a windchill moodle and got wind to max, maybe that's why it's like that? Not sure how big naturally winds can get

I can enable it in debug and disable debug to check though

[proud cobalt]

Yeah especially for hunger compared to thirst. There's a lot of moodles to move on to

[digital helm]

Here if interested #pzwiki_editing message

[proud cobalt]

I'm fairly sure it can't be obtained naturally currently. If you can get it by loading up with bags full of stuff thatd be a different story

[rotund echo]

Not really, no

I just made it for the purposes of the article

Its easier to make an overview that describes well if I break it down

[languid kayak]

Thanks! I think we should upload thta to wiki btw, as I think we don't have it?

and implement in b42 map if possible 🤔

[languid kayak]

Yeah, non-canon is the only issues, but we do so for Louisville as well

[proud cobalt]

Doesn't really have a use on B42map

[languid kayak]

there are inconsistencies with spawning maps and location names in-game

[languid kayak]

well, an edge case mostly for people searching for that special vehicle liveries I guess

[rotund echo]

I mean, yeah people have done that before kek

[languid kayak]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Louisville_neighborhoods.png this one is the most current one, done by @hushed bobcat

[proud cobalt]

Speaking of locations has to be redone for this. Rip my sub regions

[rotund echo]

I will call "?E?" as "A.A.Ron"

You say it "Ay Ay Ron", not "Aaron"

[languid kayak]

The park name is the most incossistent. I think @thin cloud confirmed it's caleld Iroquois Park thouh fliest suggest Welling Heights? Before it was called "Louisville central park", my memory's fuzzy where the name came from

[languid kayak]

we have that in trivia 😄 https://pzwiki.net/wiki/A.A.Ron_Hunting_Supply#Trivia

[rotund echo]

Knox Country world map supersedes fliers, sorry

[languid kayak]

Camus Camp?

Though this one is from signs

[rotund echo]

And real gameplay supersedes Knox Country world map so its "Camp Busy Beaver", not "Camp Camus"

[languid kayak]

Jokes aside, what'd be the prioprity now? Signs → Spawning map → Fliers/Brochures/Newspapers/items (books etc.) → Radio/TV/VHS?

There are a lot of inconsistencies as I think spawning map is/was done by someone else than pat overseeing fliers and radio/tvs/vhs is what predates pat

[languid kayak]

yeah, that'd be it then I guess? ^ Pinging @thin cloud for confirmation though 😄 Or if you ever want to go and retcon the names somewhen 😄

[proud cobalt]

I'm staying out of that one. Got too much to do on other parts of the wiki 😄 Good luck locations people

[languid kayak]

oh yeah, and I forgot movables names too

movables used to be widely different than what signs said, especially during transition from 1x tiles to 2x tiles

[rotund echo]

That sounds about right, but I can only confirm that real gameplay should be the most prioritized

[languid kayak]

took a long time to figure where the "Crystal Pie Palace" on the map.projectzomboid.com came from, turns out it was from old 1x tiles in blog that were used in ancient game version probably, never carried to new 1x tiles yet again 2x tiles https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Bakery_(West_Point)

We also had https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Hair_O_Genesis name wrongly for the most part 😄 and it's a tribute to ontogenesis, which wouldn't make much sense without the O in the middle

[languid kayak]

though real gameplay also includes vhs/radio/tv transcripts, car liveries and movable names too 😄

[rotund echo]

...fair enough then, yes

[rotund echo]

He's trying to follow the Knox Country world map, I gotta go cowboy editor and make yet a third interpretation of LV districts haha

[proud cobalt]

Maybe version 3 of tile parser will finally figure out tile naming

[flint vapor]

But if I make a whole new navbar for different sections ?

[thin cloud]

Wellington Heights is only the area above the park, including the golf course in the park

[rotund echo]

Now here's my own version I came up with to try to fill in the blanks

Of course, it isn't the most canon, considering how barebones the original source material is

[lucid junco]

So B area+Golf course is Wellington heights?

[thin cloud]

Borders are not really set yet

[languid kayak]

yet
👀

[rotund echo]

Redone research lab but I think I could give it more touch ups next time

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Military_Research_Facility

[lucid junco]

https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Project_Zomboid&diff=next&oldid=33300

Someone named themselves PZwiki

@languid kayak @digital helm

[proud cobalt]

Banned

[lucid junco]

oh lmao

I was just looking at their page

They wrote j in project zomboid talk page

and reverted it

then reverted that revert

and so on

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/PZwiki

[flat sun]

no it's even stranger than that, they wrote slightly different character sequences each time and reverted those

[lucid junco]

oh i see it

Amazes what people do when they're bored

instead of property editing the wiki

[proud cobalt]

I think its the same guy that's done this multiple times before

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/Cigarettes
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/Cigarette
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pall_Mail
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/Camel_(cigarette)
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/Camel

[languid kayak]

Seems nice at glance, will take a deeper look later. There's also a good steam guide about it too

not sure if something we can take inspiration from or maybe even link it in external links or so

[rotund echo]

This? https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3400308652

Its erm, a pretty elaborate theory, and plausible too

...but regardless I don't know if it should be added to the wiki

[proud cobalt]

The visual editor proves to be a good source of minor edits from new contributors. Definitely a worthwhile addition

[rotund echo]

Back when I was using source editor I literally had to reverse engineer how to add certain stuff into pages (esp. more complicated stuff like tables and infoboxes for example)

[proud cobalt]

I have a sticky note with common PZwiki tables and styles lol

Can't blame you

[rotund echo]

When I would try to add a complicated thing to an article, I would open another article and reverse engineer from that

Tbh, I still do reverse engineering with visual edits, but it is far more intuitive now, yes

Also, I don't know how to add tables and {{ll|page}} templates from visual editor, so I occasionally dabble in source editor

What is the purpose of {{ll|page}} anyway, why do this instead of just adding links to a text?

[digital helm]

It's a template, so go to insert > template > ll

[digital helm]

Used for translations. Doesn't do anything on english page. Shouldn't be used in normal text blocks. Only in things like lists, incl. tables. That allows us to quickly copy paste it into other languages, so it'll link to the correct page. That was the idea at least

[proud cobalt]

Slow day 😄 I've just been playing myself

[rotund echo]

I'm not even actually playing Zomboid anymore

At least, for now

[snow rivet]

Does anyone know like...where all the animal-related code is? I used to know this, and then stuff got moved/changed to Java .class files/I forgot where some files actually were

Now I can only find a few sections of it

@digital helm could point me at some stuff, maybe? I love the newly-fleshed out animal pages, btw.
I'm looking to add even more to Animal Husbandry-related stuff, maybe like info on the male animal pages on whether or not they'll fight/how animal fights work.
Maybe a /wiki/Animal_Genetics page, or something

[flint vapor]

Depends what type of animal related code you want

If you want the animal definitions, it's in the Lua

If you want the inner workings of how animals work, most of it will be in the IsoAnimal class, rest can be all over the place sadly

[snow rivet]

gwuh. I'm gonna start keeping a txt file just with key file locations.
Alright, thank you. At least most of the stuff does seem to be somewhere in IsoAnimals

[flint vapor]

Sadly you'll have to see for that

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[naive rock]

would it be possible to shrink or delete these from the obtaining section on weapon head pages? They don't feel very useful and take up a lot of space to just tell you that the head can be removed, like any other weapon with a head, and waste a little bit of time when scrolling down to see how to actually make the specific head you're looking at on the page

If I'm looking at the wiki to find out the requirements to make a mace head for example, I don't really need to see every single disassemble-able long and medium implement when what I want is at the bottom

[digital helm]

As SimKDT said. There's a lot of it
For genetics, I've already done a lot of research and have been meaning to create a page. Here's what I found https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Vaileasys/genetics

[proud cobalt]

Currently no. That's not to say I'm against the idea, but that right now it's showing the recipes themselves which includes all those items as ingredients. There are entire sections of the wiki that havn't been started for B42 which take priority over reworking the recipe template (again)

[frail fossil]

hi guys

how do you deal with additional info, like footnotes or whatever

stuff that's not neccesary and too long to display with the main text

[digital helm]

Not entirely sure what you mean. We have have the trivia section (see the style guide for that https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Help:Style_guide#Trivia) or the footnote template https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Footnote

[flint vapor]

How can I list every pages in the Category:Modding ?

I'm finally going to try to retrieve every pages in the category to add to my edit follow page

Bcs if anyone creates new pages in the category, I'm just going to miss them

[proud cobalt]

That's basically what the DPL extension does

[flint vapor]

It's a firefox extension ?

[proud cobalt]

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DynamicPageList3

We don't have it

[flint vapor]

Wait, maybe I can do it with a Lua module

[proud cobalt]

Oh i didn't consider that, if so that could change how we do navboxes

[flint vapor]

Yea that was my idea back then for navboxes

To not have to list anything ourselves

[proud cobalt]

Yeah that was my plan but using a bot to get the category pages and then store those for the navbox to use

[flint vapor]

I'll check it out

I'll look into the Lua extension for something that does it

Unless you already know what function we can use to do that

[proud cobalt]

Not in scribunto, only via PWB

[flint vapor]

👌

[naive imp]

@rotund echo @lucid junco I have revised the boilerplate according to our previous discussion. It's not a large change, just a simple clarification in the comments. Let me know if there's anything either of you would like to add.

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Help:Boilerplate_location

[languid kayak]

I think we can bump version note to B42 btw?

I still have to take a look at boilerplates, it's listed as task to finish in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Tasks#Editor_tasks

[naive imp]

I haven't fully looked over it yet just did a quick change

But hopefully today I'll have some time and I can catch up on wiki

[languid kayak]

@digital helm Something's wrong with the Infobox, currently clicking "technical" hides parameters except Item ID, example https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Staples or https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Stapler

[flint vapor]

Ok sooo it's not looking good

You can only get stats about specific namespaces and categories
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Scribunto/Lua_reference_manual/vi#mw.site.stats.pagesInCategory

You cannot get a list of their pages it seems

Considering counting the number of pages in a category is already considered an expensive operation, it sounds extremely unlikely a good solution can be found, but caching the page names

I'm kind of surprised the wiki doesn't have a natural caching of pages location ?

Unless I'm not looking in the right direction maybe

Like this here relies on an extension to check if a page belongs in a category for example:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Scribunto/Lua_reference_manual/vi#mw.ext.cattools

Hmm wait Title objects

You can read pages content, so that's pretty cool if that's ever needed

local title = mw.title.new("Category:Modding"):getContent()

[flint vapor]

@languid kayak do we have a page about the scribunton extension ?

I'm going to talk about it in a new LuaLs page, to document the addon for VSCode

[languid kayak]

What do you mean, a documentation on our wiki? I don't think so, but as usual there should be one on WikiMedia you can interlink via [[mw:]] if needed

Also take a look at https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:Version

It has a version and link to the extension page which is https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Scribunto

A fun fact, since it's system page, it has translations out of the box, e.g., https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:Version?uselang=fr

but it links to just English documentation 😄

and not https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Scribunto/fr

[flint vapor]

Was just in case there was in fact a page regarding it on the wiki that I should link directly to instead of the mediawiki one

Also maybe I should move the Infobox/socials template out of Infobox since it could be used elsewhere
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Infobox/socials

[languid kayak]

I'm known from constantly changing my mind btw, and as I was going through splitting some https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Build_41 I realized that we need the == Changelogs == header so I brought it back 😄 I went and updated all the pages from 41.78 to 42.12.12 and it's the format to stick to from now. I also went through all the patchlogs, realized we had 42.3.0 and 42.4.0 changes swapped and fixes some mistakes too.

Also, side note, I think you no longer use that bot @proud cobalt but if so I guess it'd be best to blacklist the patchnotes pages from there as I think original spelling is preferred? https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Build_41&diff=prev&oldid=234545

[languid kayak]

Maybe just call if infobox socials? We had some people confused with translating subpages since the same is being used for translations (e.g. making infobox/fr/socials instead of Infobox/socials/fr)

[flint vapor]

I mean I'd straight up move it out of Infobox constantly

Since its usage should be possible elsewhere completely, even in text

Probably needs some tweaking for direct usage in text

But I was thinking of using it later for the thing I just mentioned in #pzwiki_projects

@proud cobalt @languid kayak @digital helm
About the Scribunto typing support via the use of LuaLs in VSCode, which makes life easier to edit Modules
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/LuaLs#MediaWiki_Scribunto

[languid kayak]

@proud cobalt when you will have some time, can you verify the names of 41.77 hotfixes? It'd be logical given the number of hotfixes to be called like that and is what I am going to assume unless proven wrong (in these versions the version would only be shown in console and not main menu):

• Hotfix October 7th (stable) → 41.77.4 https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/60581-4177-released/
• Hotfix #1-#3 (unsable) → 41.77.1…3 https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/60279-4177-unstable-released/

someone posted logs with 41.77.3 in it in a stable build, though 🤔 https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/60581-4177-released/ though

[languid kayak]

I also assumed these hotfixes numbers https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Build_41&diff=prev&oldid=1268703

[languid kayak]

When browsing the old patchnotes, I found this one for Build 41.73

• Split the single Louisville map-item into nine separate maps.
  https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/58075-4173-released/

Anyone remembers how did the LV map looked like before splitting? Maybe we could check that @proud cobalt ?

We currently have that https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:LouisvilleMapStitched.png

[proud cobalt]

Oh yeah that was a one time thing

[proud cobalt]

These are the builds i have for 41.77

[digital helm]

I just looked at this last week too, and I ran into the same issue

[digital helm]

That's intentional. We wanted to hide all the technical info, but keep the item id. It's not great, but it's our workaround

[languid kayak]

Can you check version number of 41.77 HOTFIX?

[languid kayak]

ah, makes sense, though kinda confusing

BTW, I updated https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Version_history – most notably (beside the intro) is actually naming the builds that had no name and grouping all 2.9.9.17 builds together (where build nomenclature came from). I will eventually split and add the pages accordingly (hopefully! I still have a lot to go through)

I will then update the navbar too

[proud cobalt]

Build 41.77.4 acccoridng to the server launcher

[languid kayak]

so yeah, my assumption was correct 😄

[proud cobalt]

Updated

[languid kayak]

mind checking 41.73 and 41.71 too?

[proud cobalt]

41.73 i only have one version and it's 41.73

41.71 and 41.71 HOTFIX both come up as 41.71

[languid kayak]

.77 may be the first they started actually numbering hotfixes I guess, unless it was back in .73

[languid kayak]

Okay, all stable versions and unstable up to 41.65 are moved to their separated ones, still a chunky page https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Build_41 but still a lot to do 😄

I feel kinda sad for translated pages if they ever will want to go that route too, here's the longest pages btw for reference https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:LongPages

[proud cobalt]

Even after splitting Room definitions/s is number 2

[languid kayak]

Updated the links to Build 41 now that is split plus some minor changes. I will update the links to different builds too when they be split eventually.

I also wonder about the presentation on this page. The purpose is kinda clear, but the tables are not really ideal. Right now the tables don't really align at all and take just a part of a screen. Not sure if @digital helm want to spend time for that, this page has always been neglected yet it's kinda handy page to point to

Also did that, now that the builds are split https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Project_Zomboid_Wiki&diff=1268837&oldid=1171857 – a simpler and less convoluted logic too 😄

[proud cobalt]

Picking flowers reduces your unhappiness, boredom, and stress 😄

[languid kayak]

as in picking movables?

[proud cobalt]

Harvesting

Like agriculture

[languid kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/twd-carol-flowers-gif-9022507504119433362

btw, I changed beta/iwbums wording in user-facing texts in https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Template:Infobox_version&diff=prev&oldid=1268853 to "unstable". While people got used to and know/still use the IWBUMS nomenclature, it seems TIS refers to them as simply "unstable" nowadays.

I was thinking of replacing the variables or at least adding support on typing "unstable" but so far I did not do that yet, as gutting that would require more changes not to break translations and usages but something to consider eventually 😄

[proud cobalt]

New wiki using citizen btw
https://arcraiders.wiki/

[languid kayak]

Changed wording here as well https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Version_history

btw @proud cobalt while it may be a bit early, as I'd have to split the rest of the pages (Build 40 and below), maybe for the next bot update we could already change the links in history table to point to general pages? Should simplify them a little too, right now it's one extra parameter given to the history table

it could be then {{HistoryLine|Build 41.12|Released on this version.}} instead of {{HistoryLine|Build 41|Build 41.12|Released on this version.}}

[proud cobalt]

So i can just remove the extra param is that right? E.g. {{HistoryLine|Build 41.12|Released on this version.}}

[languid kayak]

yup. If you do that now, it'll give some red links, but eventually they will be there. Also some #links don't even work due to weird naming we had too 😄

also, not sure whether the history table should be sortable? The builds are sorted already and sorting them by name messes the order since the names are not always alphabetical. And no point sorting by description, really.

[proud cobalt]

Ok that was simple enough, should update next patch

[digital helm]

I'll take a look at that. I was pretty bad at doing it like this when I started, there's still some out there

[languid kayak]

no worries 😄 I remember going back to it each time, so it's not totally outdated, but at that time, it probably require some re-thinking 😄

[languid kayak]

https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/43067-4161-released-4160-changelog-inside/ this links to https://projectzomboid.com/chat_colours.txt and I'm surprised the file is still there, you guys think it's best to keep it in the wiki as well in case it's lost? I vaguely remember playing with these icons before finally forgetting about them, I suppose they'll still work in b42, just not sure if any new are added?

Not sure how up to date it is

[digital helm]

Looking at it, I was thinking it was a different issue. I'm not too sure how to solve the issue you described without making it unusable on smaller displays. I.e., using the entire screen space.
The tables were previously changed to resize automatically based on 1) screen size, 2) how much space they need.

[digital helm]

I'd assume the icons are probably dynamic. They appear to just be the item icons lowercase. The colors also look like they're the ones listed in Colors.java

[royal sluice]

Yeah, the icons are dynamic; loaded in ChatUtility -> Texture.collectAllIcons

Includes a bit more than item icons but they make up the bulk of it

[lucid junco]

Omar in #pzwiki_editing ?

[royal sluice]

Took a wrong turn at #modeling on my way to #mod_development

[proud cobalt]

https://tenor.com/view/grandpa-abe-exit-confused-bye-bart-gif-7694184

The doorway to #pzwiki_editing

[languid kayak]

https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/28365-iwbums-4134-released/

Added ability to tie the bandana RAMBO style (will also be added with a ripped sheet soon).
April 9, 2020
soon™

https://tenor.com/view/old-boomer-history-84years-many-years-ago-gif-18534104

[languid kayak]

@proud cobalt to make sure, there was no 41.25 build right? It was mentioned here https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2020/01/2020-vision/ and someone mentioned it on the Steam post https://steamcommunity.com/app/108600/discussions/0/1742264531560081572/ but there seems to be no patchnotes for it.

[languid kayak]

Okay, took probably more than I should but I finally split all the versions in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Build_41 and replaced it with a table. Now to Builds 40 to pre-alpha 😄

[digital helm]

Nice work! That would've been a task 😅

[languid kayak]

I am taking a look where exactly the whole "2.9.9.17" part was dropped, seems build 23 was already without it at the menu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33XKnLFwLB8

I think you checked some previous builds too @proud cobalt?

Build 21 too it seems https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8b4EmdYmYAo

[languid kayak]

🤔 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HY_ZQ8EHhn0

Seems we have it all wrong 😄

It's not Build 14 but 12a https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Build_14

https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/2994-beta-branch-released-steam-version/page/3/#findComment-43672

It went straight from 12a to 19, c.f.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sdf2gd400M – uploaded 8 December 2013
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TELO10DQZyw – uploaded 11 December 2013

[proud cobalt]

I have 41.23 41.23b 41.26

[proud cobalt]

I probably did, and i cant remember lol

[languid kayak]

yeah, it's all messed up the further you go, even harder as I wasn't playing back then and information is scare and vague at this point 😄 It started with me wanting to quickly split 2.9.9.x from 2.9.9.17 (which started the builds nomenclature we have) and I started diving deep down the rabbit hope, but I think I got it more-or-less right now.

Vail was doing that before me back then and I was already changing it before 😄

[proud cobalt]

Yes it's very bad. Even the build naming isnt consistent until B42

(So far)

[languid kayak]

yeah, even B41 had some version sharing the same number as stable and unstable. Seems it's B42 that finally got it more or less right 😄

Anyway, updated https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Navbar_versions with how it's laid out now. Will eventually create a meta pages for RC 2.9 and alpha up to 0.2.0

[proud cobalt]

Yeah the really early builds i wasn't sure what to or not to add. I think i added what i considered important patches from each major version.

[languid kayak]

Actually, is it pre-alpha tech demo and not just alpha tech demo technically? The pre-alpha would be what was given to testers that leaked it on 4chan if at all? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Pre-alpha_tech_demo

https://web.archive.org/web/20110601173230/projectzomboid.com/blog/index.php/2011/05/alpha-tech-demo-released

Though at that point Wikipedia still calls it (the list is based on what was on pzwiki basically https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Zomboid#Development )

Where does these names come from btw? Boxed Nails especially

Build 25 "Boxed Nails"
Build 26: "Online MP & 3D Character Models"
Build 27: "Trapping"
Build 28: "Firearm Overhaul"
Build 29: "Foraging"
Build 30: "Erosion"

It was added quite recently actually https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Project_Zomboid&diff=prev&oldid=1305538603

I basically came up with similar names independntly it seems 😄

it's their only edition btw on English Wikipedia at least https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/DatDawgDevr

[languid kayak]

@lucid junco weren't you documenting Steam bundles btw? There's a new one with PZ https://store.steampowered.com/bundle/61413/The_Infection/ and it was even announced on the news in https://steamcommunity.com/games/108600/announcements/detail/612053330276911070

[rotund echo]

No way I actually have Plague Inc (via Steam family library)

[lucid junco]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Steam#Sales_and_bundles

Its already in ther idk whacha talking about

https://tenor.com/view/jedi-starwars-mind-trick-obiwan-gif-5199308

[languid kayak]

@digital helm I don't think you remember where you got those patchlogs 6 years ago :D? 41.13 with no forum post available: https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Build_41&diff=prev&oldid=44772 They are slightly different from the ones in News_EN.txt

News_EN.txt in b41.78.16 is like that

[VERSION] 41.13
[SECTION]
Rebuilt jassimp64.dll with statically-linked c++ library (removes dependency on msvcp140.dll).
Fixed exception in MouseState with 2-button mouse.
Fixed lua error with climb-through-window context-menu command.
Fixed solidtrans objects next to windowframes-without-windows being solid.
Removed 3D-models and 3D-corpses options to fix invisible zombie bodies.
Removed AutoZombieManager.java which adjusted the number of 3D models based on performance.
Fixed exception with “New Roof-Hiding” = No option that causes black screen outside.
Fixed “welcome to build 41” being off-center.
Possibly fixed rainbow-colored bodies on Mac OS.
Possibly fixed failure to load bob/bob_idle animation on Windows using the Turkish (and potentially other) locales.

3 changes are missing and some were reworded

[lucid junco]

[languid kayak]

oh it was called pre-alpha on the game window, but won't it make all the subsequent builds (till when, 0.2.x? – can you check that by a chance @proud cobalt (and sorry for pinging you that much for those, but you're the only one with them on disk I know :D) https://www.reddit.com/r/projectzomboid/comments/1fsn12t/2011_prealpha_tech_demo_screenshot/

[proud cobalt]

No trouble, ill have to look when im home, likely tomorrow

[languid kayak]

Out of curiosity, I started comparing the build 41 chnagelogs from forums to the ones in-game after I remembered it was a thinkg for Build 41 and there are some changes so I started posting including them separately, c.f.

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Build_41.12
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Build_41.14

but I think it should be easy to parse them? The game adds bullet (so * in our case) on new line, unless it's [NODOT]. May be something for the bot to add under "in-game changelogs" @proud cobalt?

sections are like [SECTION]NEW and would be parsed to === New === which should be relatively easily douable too I guess

[dreamy girder]

Hey PZ! Just wanted to share this when users create a game server using my panel, they’ll now see a PZWiki button right next to the Steam / Discord. It directly links users to the PZWiki for easy access to game info.

Quick question do you guys also cover any other games besides Project Zomboid?

[rotund echo]

Not really

Well, except for other TIS games (like PAWS) lol

[languid kayak]

or The Forgotten Element https://pzwiki.net/wiki/The_Forgotten_Element 😄

and of course https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Dr._Oids

Unless PZ2 happens or TIS releases a new game (which would be a new wiki hosted by them then I guess, on a different domain) The furthest we'd get are Mash's or early Lemmy/Binky's games (Privates and Carrion Re-animated) but I doubt we'd even get that far 😄 They are mentioned here https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Project_History#The_Indie_Stone

[languid kayak]

There was an idea of getting in contact with Rimworld wiki guys thrown by ThinkDock before though, but we aren't really actively searching partnership (we got one with Independent Fallout Wiki from their admin kate who pops here and on the wiki from time to time though), see https://fallout.wiki/wiki/Community:Project_Zomboid_Wiki

but we still have tons to cover with PZ alone, but (at least I) sometime pops to do some edits on other wikis separately from PZ (with PZ still being prime focus)

[lucid junco]

If you dont include tis devs games from before pz

[lucid junco]

how can you forget Stand on top of the other guys but bigger

And rock paper scissors the text adventure

[lucid junco]

Looking at LV page and realising that we ll have to redo it, now with footnotes and new regions makes me shudder ngl

[proud cobalt]

Omg someone did this

[lucid junco]

Come on tis why tease us like that

[proud cobalt]

I was going to do this for the basements page

[lucid junco]

Its tis screenshot from one of thursdoids

from to separate ones iirc

So they habe it

But didnt share

[proud cobalt]

The basement files are some stupid proprietary thing thats meant to be used in the mapping tools that they havn't released

[lucid junco]

@thin cloud By any chance you have the full unblurred basement showcase picture somewhere? 😅

[thin cloud]

Not without going to jail

[proud cobalt]

Don't tell @languid kayak
https://puu.sh/KDJhO.png

[languid kayak]

Ironically I was just looking at that yesterday 😄

[proud cobalt]

Do we really need this? Are they different to what we have?

[lucid junco]

https://tenor.com/view/better-call-saul-james-morgan-mcgill-slippin-jimmy-bob-odenkirk-mugshot-gif-18613260

Shame we'll have to wait then before someone gets enough courage to make something similar

[proud cobalt]

I need 32 bit jre 7, this is definitely a tomorrow or beyond problem

[languid kayak]

That was a peak of gaming industry we don't deserve

[languid kayak]

So basements aren't moddable right now? As in can't be added/modified/whatever?

[languid kayak]

Totally worth it, we'll send you a pie (that is totally without a flier in it)

[flat sun]

fixed spawn basements can be added by map mods easily, as well as spawn points for random basements -- how you add new random basement variations i don't fully know, but there is explicit modding API for it

[flint vapor]

Regarding copyright stuff, in this case the file should be under my own or CC no ?
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:PZ_Modding_Guides_-_setting_up_a_mod_structure_-_thumbnail.png

It was previously under TIS copyright I assume due to the spiffo (which tbh wasn't an official TIS spiffo anyway being used on it ?)

[digital helm]

Safest to add both. Your own and the tis one. Because it's TIS IP and logo, but it's your modifications.

Don't stress over it. The notice is just to notify people to keep these licenses in mind if you're going to use it elsewhere

[flint vapor]

Uh ...

That's used in my video

So now besides their game logo, the rest isn't from them

[digital helm]

Yeah. It's derived work. It's to notify others the image comes with your own copyright, but parts may also be affected by someone else's copyright

[rotund echo]

Should all LSU building articles be merged into one? Maybe except the library?

You know what

I thinks I will do some... "cowboy editing"...

[snow rivet]

We do a little shootin' from the hip

[lucid junco]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Talk:Louisville_State_University
@tacticalteenager

shit

@naive imp

btw @rotund echo leave your name and date of your submission to the Talk page

eg:
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Talk:Radio

[lucid junco]

Now I wonder who made the decision to split them...

why am I not surprised

[rotund echo]

Who the fuck would willingly look up "LSU Attenborough Sciences Building"

[lucid junco]

Dont ask me

Im just the janitor

[proud cobalt]

You can simply add ~~~~ to the end of any message to add a time stamp and signiture

[rotund echo]

ok

[rotund echo]

How to nominate articles for deletion?

or is it admin only?

[snow rivet]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Deletion

[lucid junco]

{{Deletion}}

I think {{Delete}} works

[proud cobalt]

Beat me to it

[lucid junco]

And speedy deletion is {{Deletion|type=1}}?

never used it

[rotund echo]

I flagged every sub-article of LSU (except the library) for deletion

[snow rivet]

This is the kind of low-priority thing that upsets exactly only me...and I'd change it if I could but I can't.

I want this to say "Vegetation," is there any reason for its current spelling?

[languid kayak]

mostly used for spam on wikipeida and the likes… Can be useful to indicate the page needs attention (like making space for user page) but it's just a visual thing, admins have to get pinged to get our attention anyway

[languid kayak]

It's verabim as in code.

Strewberries anyone?

Though I think we could eventually display in-game name, I think @digital helm was wrking on foraging mostly? Not sure if some changes are planned in the short term?

[digital helm]

This one would've been @proud cobalt one for the eventually pile.

[snow rivet]

Guh, I was afraid of that

Strewberries at least makes me laugh half the time still, this one just bothers me

[proud cobalt]

The in code spelling is vegitation. There is no in game name that I am aware of? Biomes are like room defs, code facing only

@languid kayak

People ask me why we can't write "Fire station" instead of "FireStorage" for loot, and why we can't translate the names. Its the same reason, they're not user facing names, and displaying them human friendly / translating them would just be outright incorrect

[languid kayak]

yeah, was wondering. I though the foraging zones appear at least in the foraging window, but seems they do not?

If so then yeah, maybe we can write it in in preformatted font/code to make clear it's the code name?

[proud cobalt]

I'd have to double check B42.
We could put it in a code tags

[digital helm]

There are translations for these btw. Used in search mode. Prepended by IGUI_SearchMode_Zone_Names_ I used it for the foraging tables https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Animals_(foraging)#Items

[proud cobalt]

In that case it probably can be translated. I have a few days off so should be good

[rotund echo]

Hmm... challenge accepted...

(Don't worry, still just a preview)

[lucid junco]

Sky blue is not an office

[rotund echo]

I was basing it off the "Offices" category in the locations - businesses navbox

You can blame whoever put that there

[rotund echo]

Challenge completed

[lucid junco]

https://tenor.com/view/may-i-see-it-chalmers-gif-18367950853266778478

[rotund echo]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Office

[sturdy tangle]

The latest edits to Welding, while very welcome, removed all weaponry from the ‘crafting’ table.

On a separate, maybe more ‘personal opinion’ note, having all of the metal workstation recipes in welding is confusing and takes up a massive amount of space.

[proud cobalt]

Can you give me a specific recipe? There's been some recipe rebalancing with recipes changing between welding and blacksmithing. Most weapons are blacksmithing, while lots of the armor is now welding.
The table is an exhaustive list of every recipe in the welding category, that requires welding skill levels, or that gives welding XP. That's the idea of the table.

[sturdy tangle]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Scrap_Metal_Large_Knife

The Scrap Metal Large Knife is one example (linked). Others are Scrap Metal Chopper… well, lots of weapons with ‘scrap metal’ in the name. They all give Welding XP.