pzwiki_editing

[ruby parrot]

there is no info how log, what months good bad etc

[digital helm]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Agriculture#Growing_time

[ruby parrot]

information is good, but its inconsistent. which translates to - difficult to find

exactly reason i start to dig into lua files

from same example of flax, as per my message above, there is 0 indication it can be grown. If i look at this page first time - I assume it is one of those plants that grow in wild only

[digital helm]

The page needs a rework, it's still largely based on b41 still

[ruby parrot]

hence my proposal

[digital helm]

Flax is in that list though, and there's a page for the crop. The item page hasn't been updated yet, so it doesn't link to the crop yet, as it still only has the autogenerated template.

If information is hard to find we can also create redirects to that info. But I think the agriculture page needs a rework first

[ruby parrot]

well, my initial point is simmple, i offer list of all vegetables with all bells and whistles, like how many grow min max, bes montsh worst months, etc.
it could be a nice table

i just need to know in what format to provide information

i need example

every vegetable is one row in table with all data from lua file

something like that?

again i really ought to look at this python app

but time to work, time to play actually and... i fucking hurt myself today

was in emergency services etc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AHCfZTRGiI

😄

cut myself with tin can, hit the fuckign nerve

can you imagine that?

[digital helm]

I see the benefit. Like how we have the item list and tile list pages https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Weapon

Still unsure whether it gets its own page or goes into the agriculture page. Going back to the agriculture page needing a rework

[ruby parrot]

i looked at python generator app

it uses pip libraries, things i have small idea about, in fact i am concerned they are not safe to use potentially

i am NOT implying its not safe, its just I PERSONALLY am not feeling secure with it

main application appears to be rather small and readable(which is good)

aaaand i was wrong, script is not small, it was first impression anyway

[digital helm]

There's a fair bit of redundant code since we're in the middle of a transition

[proud cobalt]

Hahaha on my PC i looked at the page and it was in English. I didn't know Vivaldi auto translate web pages 😆

[proud cobalt]

It uses 4 of the most popular python libraries ever made

[ruby parrot]

i was looking into that. there is another issue with it, i need to learn those libraries too now

[proud cobalt]

You don't need to learn any of it to use it

[ruby parrot]

i suspect it does parcing of the data.

[digital helm]

It's called pz-wiki_parser 😄

[languid kayak]

hm, maybe it's sane to add a new column next to the actual icon with the actual name of the icon used on the wiki? Or will it add too much complexity/load time/width?

But yeah, right now the icons has to be either clicked and copied, or copied from edit (when logged)/view source (when not logged) window.

[proud cobalt]

You can click on the icon to open the image in the item list, where it should be named the same as in game

[digital helm]

For this reason is specifically why I didn't include the page link in the icon

Originally I had just the file name. But I think this is the best middle ground

[proud cobalt]

It has come in exteoidinarily helpful actually

[digital helm]

Good to see that even with all this automation it still retains some of its original purpose 😄

[digital helm]

No, columns don't really slow it down. The bigger problem is the number of tables. Each table adds about 3 divs and a bunch of js functions
Bigger problem is width, especially with all the items with multiple icons

[proud cobalt]

Still don't know what we do about that, it comes to my brain every now and then. I was hoping we could do something tricky with lua but it's kind of built into the skin

[digital helm]

Tbf I don't think it's expected to have that many tables on one page. But I feel like there should still be a way to "turn it off" when it's not needed

[languid kayak]

ah, good to know. But yeah, width may be issue 🤔 So I guess how useful would it be to people I guess. Not sure about the modding folk?

[digital helm]

Honestly, I don't think it's that bad. Just follow the link or right click copy link. It's what I do

[languid kayak]

yeah, maybe I was overhinking it 😄 Though I'm open for other people suggestions 😄

[serene sage]

didn't mention this earlier but I revised the Characteristics section for the radio van article, just wondering if it's improved enough to be considered done: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Radio_Van#Characteristics

[scarlet warren]

Was looking at the building pages about the crafting stations (i know they're probably going to change the way they work again anyway) and I couldn't help but notice the two categories for buildings are carpentry and metalworking, shouldn't all the metalworking items be moved to welding now for 42?

[serene sage]

just notice that as well

I believe that for some reason the navbox is always changed last

things like the items navbox still haven't really been updated despite the articles being created

oh shoot you meant categories

well same thing anyway

[scarlet warren]

i almost just went and changed the names of the categories but i am unsure as to how many pages i'd have to change to make that happen so i didn't

[serene sage]

are you referring to the box with the categories and the links to other articles (navboxes)?

[scarlet warren]

yes

[serene sage]

those are only changed once in their main template page, the changes are automatically pushed to every article that contains it

[scarlet warren]

yeah

but the page "Metalworking" itself refers to the welding skill

[serene sage]

right

yeah it's kinda organized confusingly

seems to me that the current metalworking category is supposed to be welding stuff, but it is still called metalworking and links to the blacksmithing stuff

[scarlet warren]

yeah i think it is like that
maybe i can just change the names then and split up the furnaces and forges from the welding buildings

[ruby parrot]

what sone maul is used for?

i cant seem to cut trees with it

is it for fire wood?

to split logs?

[digital helm]

It's a maul, like a big hammer. There's recipes on its page

For crushing ores and rocks

[digital helm]

Looks good. I think so

[serene sage]

cool

time to fix them all up then

[digital helm]

Thanks. That'd save me a lot of time 😄

[digital helm]

We touched on those categories briefly recently. Categories haven't really had any changes since b42 went to unstable, so metalworking is still referring to the old metalworking build menu from b41. Category would need to be changed for every page individually

[serene sage]

I think I had a stroke trying to process the metalworking category today

along with the navbox

[scarlet warren]

yeah it took me explaining it to my brother in a fit of passion to really fully understand what i was looking at

it doesn't seem like it would take too long to move em over so i might do that later if i get bored

[fast smelt]

Does build 52 have multiplayer yet

[proud cobalt]

No

[fast smelt]

😦

[proud cobalt]

#pz_b42_chat

[languid kayak]

Probably yeah, may be done manually but may be better with bot. Not sure if @proud cobalt has any immediate plans to refresh the pages though?

[proud cobalt]

Nope

[languid kayak]

navboxes are in bad shape, yeah. Some manual fixes were done, but generally not much though was given as, especially for items, we got really lot of those and got occupied with other areas first.

[languid kayak]

I think I overslept 10 major builds 👀 /joke - but yeah, as Calvy said.

[proud cobalt]

Actually it depends what they're referring to. I am working on transferring the tile parser into the wiki parser, which will result in pages being made or updated, but not navboxes which was the main discussion

Navboxes would be nice to do soon, if we automate them we could consider having multiple. I know minecraft have multiple, E.g. For an iron pickaxe you'd have navboxes for
Tools
Iron
Items
As three different templates

Will probably move navboxes to lua too

This would obviously only work for things we parse automatically, items, fluids, maybe vehicles. Tiles is hard, any categorization automatically would be arbitrary

[digital helm]

That's new. I guess their items navbox got too unwieldly.

Maybe start with items then see from there. It'll be huge...

[proud cobalt]

Nah they just put all three and say have at it 😂

But they also have countless times more editors

[digital helm]

They'd wanna

multiple games and movies now to cover 😄

[proud cobalt]

Somehow independant fallout wiki cover even more 🤯 Those guys are crazy @past glacier

[digital helm]

Oh I know, it's mental. Somehow it's so well organised too

[scarlet warren]

The SS13 wiki has probably the best navbox system I’ve ever worked with tbh

I’d model it after that since SS13 ALSO auto parses everything

[flint vapor]

Hell yea we need that

[serene sage]

dang I just noticed how many new users have joined the wiki

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[flat sun]

fell for it again award

[serene sage]

wow so real

[lucid junco]

https://tenor.com/view/19-dollar-fortnite-card-gif-20155665

[tulip kiln]

The downsides to greedmaxxing

Falling for obvious scams

[serene sage]

real life zomboids

hacked accounts peddling fake gift links

[flat sun]

this one must be real

[serene sage]

mmm me want it now

[lucid junco]

Now I have 150$

[serene sage]

what currency?

zimbabwe dollars?

[lucid junco]

zomboid dollars

[lucid junco]

https://tenor.com/view/hoxton-hoxton-breakout-its-payday-fellas-money-im-rich-gif-21647672

[proud cobalt]

I can delete them in here, but nowhere else 🫤

https://tenor.com/view/how-bro-felt-after-writing-that-how-bro-felt-alpha-wolf-alpha-alpha-meme-gif-307456636039877895

My power... It's limited

[flat sun]

finally my big break

[serene sage]

oh no, it's Horde Fake Steam Gift Link Night

[languid kayak]

I think it wqs about the categories initially?

[languid kayak]

Wikipedia does so too

[scarlet warren]

It was, eventually probably have categories for each type like we do for carpentry and welding
Could have it auto fill the categories navbox based on the categories the item falls under

[serene sage]

navbox parser sounds like fun actually

[proud cobalt]

We could add the category it's in to the item Id dictionary, then use that to output a Navbox, thoughts @digital helm

[serene sage]

have had this in the back of my head for a while now, are randomized basements technically randomized stories (therefore an integral part of Project Lore)?

or in general has anything even been done about basements on the wiki yet?

[scarlet warren]

Where is the item id dictionary?

[proud cobalt]

There's a versioned version on the wiki parser
https://github.com/Vaileasys/pz-wiki_parser/blob/main/resources/item_id_dictionary.csv

[proud cobalt]

Practically 0. There's not even a basement page

[serene sage]

lmao yeah tried searching for something on the wiki but there's absolutely nothing

sigh time to go back to the mines wiki

[proud cobalt]

Feel free to work on it, even if not exclusively 'lore'

[serene sage]

it's proably going to be lumped into the Project Lore work on the randomized stories

since I feel like they technically are

definitely feels more like the center in the venn diagram for Project Lore and Project Locations and Maps though

[scarlet warren]

I am gonna have to learn python now smh

oh well

[tribal laurel]

Yo! I was reading the zombie page of the pz wiki and it is badddddd. Alot of the information is phrased weirdly, missing, AI generated, or just bloody false. Anyone whos free please help fix it :),

[serene sage]

I’ll take a look later

I already did but I didn’t really pay much attention

doubt any part of it is AI, but it definitely reads weird

[tribal laurel]

Yeah idk. It mightve just been one part that i just fixed, either way it does read weird

[serene sage]

like the part you removed about the nature of the zomboids seems pretty redundant

like everyone has seen their corpse reanimating

also the constant use of the term “prey” seems odd

[languid kayak]

kinda true I think?

[languid kayak]

shouldn't be anything AI-generated, but there migjht be some info from 2011 on those pages

[past glacier]

Heck yeah we love the mines!!

For navboxes we use dpl so they update automatically, otherwise it would be too crazy 🤪

[serene sage]

holy crap we got lore coverage from Wow Such Gaming:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEPWTY8eF2I

[flint vapor]

Yea saw that, I need to watch that video !

[digital helm]

Was thinking about this too. Would be nice if we had the DynamicPageList extension that Kate mentioned. But this is a good alternative. We wanted to move to json anyway, so this would be a good time

[digital helm]

Good changes overall. Still room for improvement. I think a lot of it was from 2011-2012 😄 zombies haven't changed much, so hasn't really been given much attention

[serene sage]

the zombie page doesn't even get the honor of CalvyBot strolling by every so often

[proud cobalt]

FAKE NEWS! It fixed see also in July 2024 😆

But yeah this is one of those pages the bot cant do anything on

Had a quick look and this article could use a full rewrite

[serene sage]

yeah it’s one of those articles with nothing to automate

[serene sage]

the section on crawlers is massive for some reason

just a full on yapfest about them

I’ll see what I can do in the morning then

[proud cobalt]

I've added rework mbox recommending a full rewrite to bring it up to our standards and have a cohesive article

It has a very casual conversational tone

[proud cobalt]

Yeah we work with what we've got 😄 I agree about adding this with the move to json

[digital helm]

Oh god, you're right. It's as if someone had to reach a word count 😄

[tulip kiln]

Ayee, glad they did their research on how insanely unsurvivable PZ would be.

[serene sage]

yup

do nothing
die

[lucid junco]

20 minutes and the answer would obviously be no

Because of an airborne knox virus

Like apocalypse things aside (food/water/general supply shortage that will starve millions, raiding and bandits that will also kill millions, zeds themselves)

The main reason the human population died is because of an airborne virus

[ruby parrot]

did anyone see in LUA files recepies for various items?

[proud cobalt]

Craft recipes are in txt script files

[ruby parrot]

thanks.

[flint vapor]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/CraftRecipe

[ruby parrot]

very interesting, thanks!

[digital helm]

@ruby parrot you've edited this page which is about an item that's no longer in the game. https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Flint
What item is this intended for?

Also, to keep things consistent, we have specific sections that should be used. If it's not listed as a h2 heading (==...==) then there's probably already an existing heading. https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Help:Style_guide#Article_layout

Please also don't refer to the reader directly, with the use of you. https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Help:Style_guide#Writing
E.g. instead of You can forage it raw. just say It can be foraged raw.

Appreciate the contributions though

[ruby parrot]

not sure what do you mean. flint exists in the game. and i put description how it can be gathered

[digital helm]

Do you know the item id? Or name?

[ruby parrot]

of what? mineral or flint?

[digital helm]

That's what I'm trying to determine. What are you referring to in the edit? Because the item that article is about is an old item removed in b42, with item id camping.flint. So either it needs to be changed to state it is in the game, or your edits moved to another page

[ruby parrot]

Flint Nodule

Base.FlintNodule

doesn't seem to exist in wiki

[digital helm]

Thanks. Should be here then https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Flint_Nodule

[ruby parrot]

figured outby playing with URL

[digital helm]

There's a link at the top of the page that lists everything related to flint

[ruby parrot]

but you cant seek flint string

which i find problematic

[digital helm]

I'm not sure what you mean

[ruby parrot]

in search menu, if you seek for flint you only get old article as result

[proud cobalt]

but you cant seek flint string
Searching the string 'flint' shows the Obsolete page

I have additionally to the disambig, clarified the Obsolete mbox

[digital helm]

We haven't done a batch of lowercase redirects yet for b42, which would fix this. For this reason though, was why I added the about notice, to link to pages people may be looking for instead

[languid kayak]

I fixed it now, as well as redirects, I also removed outdated: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Fishing#Bait – was manual, so may be errors, but should not I hope 🤞

[haughty helm]

Recomended mods?

[proud cobalt]

Ask in #mod_support or #pz_b42_chat / #pz_b41_chat

[serene sage]

beginning rewrite of the Zombie article in a sandbox: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Mid/zombie

decided to keep the first paragraph relatively intact because I kinda like it

[serene sage]

very funny

also why are they always $50

[flat sun]

they're not made of cash

[serene sage]

but they're princes of various nations with no official monarchy

how are links to specific sections of an article look like the normal links?

like this

turns into an external reference

ok that was a terrible crop

ok nevermind I'm stupid

[tribal laurel]

Bro whoever did the section on crawlers was tryna reach a word count on a high school essay omg

[flint vapor]

Wdym lol ?

[serene sage]

crawler yapfest

just one of the many things I need to sift through in order to rewrite them

[flint vapor]

zamn

[languid kayak]

I kinda want to get back to rewriting core articles at one point, like, the "Project Zomboid" page is so outdated, yet it is one of the most prominent links and is often translated

[serene sage]

like the article about the game?

[languid kayak]

yeah, https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Project_Zomboid

[serene sage]

damn, I look at the edit history and page 1 of that goes all the way back to 2017

hasn't been edited since B42 released too

[languid kayak]

I think it wasn't for b41 either 😄

and oldest was 2012 https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Project_Zomboid&oldid=8539

[serene sage]

nah just B42: https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Project_Zomboid&action=history

also we have a lot of new accounts on the wiki

whose usernames are just some first and last name combined with some numbers

[serene sage]

wait a minute

[proud cobalt]

They're spam bots, they're being captured by a combination of the spam and abuse filter

[serene sage]

I see, yeah typical spam bot behavior

seems like a lot of them have been made in the last few days

[proud cobalt]

I don't think I can give too many details away, but with the wiki update something changed that's allowing them to make accounts, Kirrus is working to stop it like we had before.

In the meantime we're on high alert in case any sneak through the filters

[serene sage]

interesting

[serene sage]

I haven't actually noticed any sort of media effects for the new B42 TV/radio stations

the pre-B42 channels behave like normal

could it be possible that the effects just don't exist (hence why they're not in the media parser output)?

[digital helm]

Yeah, I had a look at them a while ago, and they didn't have any

[tulip kiln]

Actually pretty funny how the section about a zombie with both of their legs broken is MUCH longer than the section about the crackhead sprinter zombies.

[scarlet warren]

Crawlers are annoying
I’ve never seen a sprinter
Maybe that’s why

[tulip kiln]

That's because sprinters are exclusive to sandbox.

[rotund wedge]

sprinters are silly creatures

[scarlet warren]

That explains it ig

[tulip kiln]

ye I more meant how funny it was how big the section was for a zombie that's just had both their legs shattered compared to runners tho, you know?

[serene sage]

sprinters: they’re fast and scary, quick get to the fences
crawlers: the crawler is a symbol about how people with disabilities are often at a disadvantage compared to the rest of society. much like the strife experienced by people with disabilities, the circumstances in which crawlers are disabled the vast majority of the time are completely out of their control. when a cruel survivor encounters a zombie and mercilessly takes away the zombie’s innate right to mobility, and spares them, their plight will have only begun. without the freedom associated with bipedal movement, they crawl at an excruciatingly slow speed, forever confined to the slow speed and maneuverability of their forsaken body against their will. when a particularly tasty survivor comes around, often only the undead able to get to them quickly can feast on the visceral of the survivor, while the crawler struggles to keep pace with them, and as a result can not access these amenities easily and with such stride as a walker. unable to have a fair chance at human flesh and confined to having half their view covered with low-lying foliage, they are easily forgotten and disregarded by their peers. such is the life of a crawler, whose resolve for a comparatively equal life to the rest of zombiekind parallels those forgotten by human society. they are the left behind, the less fortunate, and we must strive to treat them with respect they deserve.

[scarlet warren]

That is a good dichotomy

So I see mention on here about performance problems relating to the recipes from b42 because of the sheer quantity
I don’t like to just randomly shill extensions I’ve used in the past, you guys have an incredibly robust wiki already, but I know some wikis have used cargo tables to get around the overhead of that much transclusion

Would pulling all that info from a table be even slower than it is currently? It kind of seems like it would be now that I think about it..

[digital helm]

The problem with recipes I believe is largely resolved. The problem was that we were hitting the template transclusion limit, which has now been moved over to lua, with all the data saved in lua tables. So it's essentially just calling a single template now with 200 recipes, rather than 200+ templates. @proud cobalt would be able to clarify and shed more light

Appreciate the suggestion though

[scarlet warren]

yeah after i looked a bit further and saw the lua stuff you guys were doing i kind of realized that was probably way more complicated and optimized than some really big tables
glad you guys solved it already i'm excited to see how fast all the recipes load up on one page

[digital helm]

Actually, I don't think it's fully resolved, but on the way 🤔 still early days with using lua on the wiki

[proud cobalt]

They are basically just big tables tbh, but we are very limited with extensions as they have to be added by TIS

Moving to lua not only helped with the exclude/node size but also load times

[digital helm]

For anyone interested, here's a list of all vehicle spawns https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?oldid=988815
And filtered for only specialised vehicles https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?oldid=988819

[serene sage]

wah my phone’s browser is frozen now

[digital helm]

oops... should've mentioned it's a long list 😅

[lucid junco]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Bait_shop_(Dark_Wallow_Lake)

Page created

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Camp_Arthur

Page created

huh

weird

@digital helm @languid kayak Apparently having sub paragraphs(see the image) breaks the text boundary on the Vector theme

Though only on standart

[digital helm]

Looking into it

[lucid junco]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Build_42.7.0 (page in context)

[digital helm]

seems to be for all text if there's no breaking character. So it would affect wide too if the string was long enough

[digital helm]

Should be fixed now. Thanks

looks like the original vector is the same

[languid kayak]

is there a difference in Police and police for example? Also I know it's a placeholder, but it would be nice to have it alphabetized 😄

[languid kayak]

I think that's becasuse there's no space in the list?

Also it seems it's * followed by ***?

The patch notes are sadly often a mess when it comes to the formatting 😄 I often just do some simple regex replaces

They are available in three places, I usually take them off of forums, but they are posted on Steam and Discord as well. Sometimes as a text file (and internally I believe they are like that, pulled out of game commits)

[digital helm]

I'm still deciphering how the spawning actually works, but it looks like they don't. It's case insensitive, which I'll add to any final output

[serene sage]

vehicle articles rework is finished now

still unsure about the articles about the Primani and the Elite but they should be pretty fine now anyway

[chilly sleet]

тяжело

[native thorn]

currently reworking the agriculture article, I see people posted screenshots with visible modded content as reference material for the article

is that allowed?

[languid kayak]

allowed as we won't generally take it down or hunt for it, but it should ideally be replaced with a vanilla screenshot down the line

[native thorn]

asking because I want to post my own and I'm modded out the wazoo

ok nice thanks for clarifying

[scarlet warren]

you could put yourself in debug mode and spawn stuff in in a dev scenario
even with a shitload of modded stuff if all the sprites are vanilla in the screenshot nobody would know

[digital helm]

Wrong channel? 😄

[raw spade]

yes.

[proud cobalt]

Any testing should idealy come from a non-modded world, you never know what might interact

[languid kayak]

@digital helm (or anyone for the matter), is that correct? https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Life_and_Living_TV&curid=12748&diff=988375&oldid=987755

I know there are some intricacies due to the game's start date

Also this https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Life_and_Living_TV&curid=12748&diff=988377&oldid=988375

I think it has not changed between b41 and b42?

The recipes could definitely be checked though https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Life_and_Living_TV&curid=12748&diff=988379&oldid=988377 – especially with all the changes in b42 and with the page being one of the highest traffic ones

[digital helm]

The timestamp is the number of minutes #pzwiki_editing message

Radio broadcasts are in blocks, so anytime within a block, you can watch a show. So for the first day, it's 6am to 12pm is the block, it's just that you start the game at 9am. So, no it's not accurate. The show block starts at 6am and finishes at 12pm

[digital helm]

I was planning on remaking the radio parser so it can be reused for stuff like this. One day

[proud cobalt]

Yes I tested in debug mode

I guess debug mode doesn't matter, but I tested on a new save

[proud cobalt]

Unchanged, probably doesn't need to be stated

[languid kayak]

So I guess both are to re reverted? Or maybe reworded at least 🤔.

I'll take a look later if none of you does that before me 😄

I moved that to note https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Life_and_Living_TV&diff=989067&oldid=987755 so far

[digital helm]

Doubted myself so I double-checked. Exposure survival show plays between 12AM and 6AM, and cook show plays between 6AM and 12PM.

[languid kayak]

I guess the recipes would need to be double checked, but is this still accurate? (the note) https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Life_and_Living_TV#cite_ref-Note04_4-0

[serene sage]

would a “strategy” section of sorts make sense on the Zombie page? I think a dedicated section for that would help new players while not bloating the earlier informational sections

[lucid junco]

Well technically yeah

but not sure if its fixed in game

[digital helm]

I had a look at them and it doesn't look like the recipes have changed in b42 yet

[digital helm]

While we avoid the section altogether, I think it could be beneficial there @languid kayak @proud cobalt

[serene sage]

yeah, just somewhere to put the age-old advice of "you can outwalk the zeds"

[proud cobalt]

I agree

[languid kayak]

those TV shows are something that still need love 😄 We still have the test ones referencing fear and such and while at least capped now, the Life and Living early at game meta is still unbalanced (prioritizing Carpentry), and can be stacked with the VHS still afterwards.

[languid kayak]

as in while we avoid them elsewhere? I guess meta pages like that are different branch, so exception are surely welcome

[digital helm]

My view on it is that it's mostly subjective, and invites a guide style of writing, which doesn't always fit the neutral and factual style of the wiki. They often feel forced or dry, such as on location pages, where there's not much to say that isn't obvious or already covered. So I think it should be used sparingly, and only where critical information would be lost without it, such as to describe mechanics that aren't intuitive. Zombies are a good example of that.

[digital helm]

Rework done for the fuel page https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Fuel
Sections could probably be improved, but this was simplest. Just used the Type and combined some.

[serene sage]

unsure how to write the subsection about hordes, this is what I've got so far: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Mid/zombie#Hordes

[native thorn]

sorry for ranting but the more I read the source code of the farming script the harder it becomes for me to write the agriculture article

there's so much stuff that is simply not implemented, some crops make no sense, such as barley not being cold hardy, so it will always die during winter, except it has a growth time that exceeds its planting season and necessitates going into winter

greenhouses and houseplant tags doing nothing, not a single crop having a water maximum, so the whole "overwatering" mechanic is not implemented yet

I'll have to rewrite so much of the article while updating it every time they patch the game

[flat sun]

if that's the case overwatering might have been intentionally removed?

there were a couple crops in b41 that could be overwatered and it basically just made them worthless

[ruby parrot]

Hey folks, can you see discussion, bottom of page please?

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Talk:Fishing

i left some info there, would be nice if someone else could look at it

i am hitting the sack

good night boys and girls

[digital helm]

From my understanding, the game uses Celsius for the temperature. Looks like there's no direct connection to time of year, however it only gets to certain temperatures at certain times of the year. E.g. you won't see 40°C in the winter, or 0°C in the summer.

[digital helm]

I think that's pretty good. The main points for me are:

1. Zombies group up following a horde 'leader'
2. Multiple zombies is more dangerous than one - this was the core design goal for zombies

[serene sage]

yep, that's the main takeaways I wanted people to get from it

cool cool

[digital helm]

Not sure if you want to also maybe mention loud noises could create larger hordes

[serene sage]

probably

[proud cobalt]

Hahaha welcome to the wiki, this is a regular occurance

I was starting on agriculture before B42 came out but focus on Items and tiles now. I did notice there's a few crops like barley. I think flax was one too, at least on 42.0.0

[languid kayak]

are we suppose to manually fix them, or will it be overritten by a script?

[languid kayak]

I think the house plants teased in the blog are not implemented either?

[native thorn]

this is likely, there's even a comment in the code that says they don't need watermax atm

[native thorn]

there is a tag in the code named IsFlower but it doesn't seem to do anything atm, I need to do a lot of ingame testing

[languid kayak]

@digital helm seeing you did some cleaning for Life and Living, but didn't touch this – had a brief discussion and I remember you(?) saying the recipes didn't change, does it mean that https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Life_and_Living_TV&curid=12748&diff=988379&oldid=988377 should be reverted and Cake Batter recipe is still technically given by the show?

[digital helm]

It would be overwritten, yes. Saves having to manually add any new ones/update existing.
If you have suggestions for how to organise, I'm open to it. As I said, this was just done quickly. I didn't want to sit on it basically done

[digital helm]

Er, I'd have to check. From what I could tell the source code was unchanged, but there was definitely cake batter and pie dough, somewhere, just not sure when.. should be simple enough to test in-game too

It could be that it was originally mixed up with initial infection, because that I think had cake batter too, which doesn't play anymore.

[native thorn]

anyways, the agriculture article is "done", it will require testing as most of the info I added was from reading the source code
problem ofc is that testing agriculture is hard

but hopefully it will help demystify the whole system

[languid kayak]

Probably best to slap autogenerated on it then. I was wondering about containers category; can containers having items be burnt? If so, does it make the items simply disappear, no matter what was inside, not giving extra time?

Hollow books seems to be categorized as literature in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Item_list too

[digital helm]

I'm not sure about adding autogenerated tbh. It'd deter people from editing the actual page, which is fine, it's just the tables that'll be overwritten. Which won't need to be updated manually anyway. There's a bot flag comment at the start and end of the tables anyway

[digital helm]

I think they needed to be empty. Same for fluids containers

Also can't burn an item thats favourited

Hollow books seems to be categorized as literature
This is because the DisplayCategory is "Literature" whereas the Type is Container. The latter is a technical flag, whereas the former is purely for how it's displayed in the inventory.
I can play around with it more to use that instead of Type

[digital helm]

Looks really good. There's a lot of info there. You've done a great job, thanks!
Most of the info before was likely from the source code anyway. We can at least verify as we go. Much easier to remove/modify than add new

[proud cobalt]

Hello all, I've been workshopping the style guide changes for the item rework, now just looking for consensus and any feedback. Below is a link to a sandboxed version of the style guide, the only part with changes currently is the "Article Sections".

The main takeaways are:
Usage becomes the main header for every kind of usage, and related sections are now sub-sections of usage. This includes sections like Body part, Consumable properties, and arguably the largest change, Crafting.

Crafting will no longer be it's own section, instead the What it makes section will go directly under crafting in usage. The How it's made section will now be a Recipes in the Obtaining section.

Location will be replaced by Obtaining, which will have all ways it can be obtained. Standard subheaders are Recipes for crafting recipes, an Loot for generated loot (currently known as location tables).

The last major change is the addition of a Navigation section, that holds the navbox and potentially multiple navboxes in the future. This splits the navbox from the article when particularly when there is no See also section.

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Help:Style_guide/sandbox#Article_sections

[languid kayak]

ah, good point

if the bot flag is clear, then editors will still need it

[languid kayak]

probably worth noting then

[languid kayak]

I cleaned up https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Carving&diff=990301&oldid=988523 a little btw, but it could use further improvements probably

that's why I downgraded it down to Improve

Also, not sure when I'd do that, but I'll be going through https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Site_maintenance basically clearing wip/underconstruction, outdated, improve and stub.

Basically WIP/underconstruction will be replaced by stub if there's more than a month or so of inactivity, while outdated will be used uniformly for pages that are marked as b42 and feature b41 info.

[proud cobalt]

Sounds good, maybe an exception for templates I probably have some to come back to

[dense veldt]

What's the length of a tile? Tryna find out what melee weapons have the range of at least 1 tile

[languid kayak]

as in pixels?

[dense veldt]

Whatever the weapons page uses for min-max range on melee weapons

[flat sun]

i haven't checked that specifically, but pretty much every distance in the game is in tiles

[ruby parrot]

what gives me strength boost?

there is no trait or occupation that gives strength xp boost.(char is angler)

[native thorn]

starting with 3 or more strength
it means nothing, it's just that it applies to other non strength/fitness skills

[ruby parrot]

I posted it in wrong chat, i apologize. with that said, where is 125% boost is coming from?

[native thorn]

it says 125% boost but you don't get any boost
the 125% is false and does nothing

this is just what happens when any other skill starts at lv3 or more, those skills get 125%
but not strength

[ruby parrot]

right, so its a bug

[native thorn]

yeah it's just an unnecessary tooltip

[ruby parrot]

in software language it is still a bug.

[digital helm]

Yep. There's definitely general info to add to that page. It's just data for now

[proud cobalt]

The style guide has been updated.

I will begin implementing this for items. I have no idea how long it will take

[dense veldt]

What distance can coughs/sneezes be heard?

[elfin bluff]

hi guys

how can i exit this page

that's open when i press "e" when debug is on

but this is not mapped ''e'' in the key config :/

[placid zephyr]

Arrow pointing to the right on the top pad.

The rightmost button. An arrow without a line.

[elfin bluff]

ok thanks but why this screen appear when i press "e" or "g"

i already often use debug mod i never had this befor

[placid zephyr]

I don’t even know here, maybe you accidentally bind the keys... but maybe it’s something else, I’m not an expert.

[flat sun]

i think you're in the wrong channel but this is the debugger screen, it is showing because a mod you have installed is erroring when you press e

[elfin bluff]

when i press the arrow i see the game 1sec and the window reopen and i see 1 error

i only have week one and bandit 😢

[flat sun]

you can press f11 to hide it, if it keeps showing up again untick break on error at the top

[placid zephyr]

You can just turn off the debug mode if you use it as cheats

Mods often cause errors, this cannot be avoided

[rigid sundial]

Hello, so on the help page for editing on the wiki it says to press edit, however I do not see it I could just be oblivious, could someone help me?

[flint vapor]

Make an account

And log in

[digital helm]

It's a pencil icon at the top right. The help pages haven't been updated yet to the new skin. It used to say edit

[languid kayak]

I know tiles are to be rewirtten, but the sleep quality wording in beds is meh 😛
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Simple_Bed#Usage

It has a quality of good.

[languid kayak]

I think we should update it actually 😄 I had it in the back of the head, but never did after we changed the skin 😄

[proud cobalt]

That's only autogenerated lol

[languid kayak]

I know, yeah 😄 but the wording is odd

[languid kayak]

@serene sage so leaving oven for too long will never cause fire now? Or is it just if some food that can be burnt is left? As per https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Fire&curid=48&diff=988695&oldid=988693

[flat sun]

it needs something to burn

just leaving it on with nothing inside has never started fires

and yeah, has to be food

[quartz bear]

I don't see the problem

Honestly, it's awesome.

We should keep it like this forever

For the comedic effect

[languid kayak]

oh yeah, I didn't get to get back to the verify pages, but did we get the exact values for foraging for moodles yet?

[languid kayak]

@lucid junco shouldn't it be just Bait Shop? We used to assume signs are proper nouns before https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Bait_shop_(Dark_Wallow_Lake)

[serene sage]

oops looks like I deleted too much of that sentence, gonna add it back in

wait no

I found that the "Appliance" section already had info on heat sources so I removed it from "Weapons"

[lucid junco]

Thats just in case we plan on having Bait shop as a page

[languid kayak]

but are we?

[lucid junco]

https://tenor.com/view/principal-skinner-no-seymour-skinner-the-simpsons-hesitant-gif-15806752

[languid kayak]

I think I'll move it then, simpler name, and proper noun for now (can change mind later if we want; though we assumed Burgers is a proper noun too)

[proud cobalt]

Style guide changes are complete, there's bound to be a mistake or two over 4500 articles so if you see something fix it up pls

[languid kayak]

@proud cobalt can it be foraged indeed? If so, then I guess we miss the distribution table? https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Animal_Teeth&curid=126995&diff=988893&oldid=973249

[proud cobalt]

Just got to work so can't check, but I added pretty much all the distribution tables so I doubt it

[languid kayak]

leaving it unpatrolled till we figute though 😛

[digital helm]

@proud cobalt looks like there's a new foraging category with it called Bones in Bones.lua. Probably don't check that lua file yet

[proud cobalt]

That would explain it

[naive imp]

Good to be back editing again. How exactly is Lua being integrated into the wiki?

[proud cobalt]

It's replacing some core templates for speed and more complex logic usage

Crafting is already using it, along with some (all? @digital helm) of the language templates.

[naive imp]

Core templates meaning what exactly? Can you give examples? Im not exactly a template wizard

[proud cobalt]

Crafting, infoboxes, navboxes

It won't have any effect on usage in articles

[naive imp]

So navbox locations will require knowledge of Lua to edit properly? At least to some extent?

Or no

[proud cobalt]

We're both still learning a lot about how it works and best practices for implementation. On the items side it's probably going to move into more automated navboxes, we have 4500 items now.

Neither of us have looked at the implementation of navboxes yet, adding locations won't require any knowledge of lua itself, whether then data is stored in a lua table or in a template has yet to have been discussed. User friendliness for manual templates like locations would be a priority

My best assumption would be that it would work very similarly to editing the navbox now. You don't have to have any knowledge in parser to copy paste a new location

[naive imp]

Good to hear that you are thinking if your resident manual input masochist

[naive imp]

Good to hear. I appreciate the thorough explanation

Feel free to ping me if you want my input on stuff, my hiatus can be considered over now lol

[proud cobalt]

Any time

[proud cobalt]

Happy to have you back

[naive imp]

When did you get your own emojiis what

[naive imp]

I appreciate the sentiment.

[proud cobalt]

I got a couple made by the person that did my pfp and cover photo

Lua progress is slow atm, me and Vail focusing on other tasks. There was also a style guide change mostly for items, in case you didn't see it. There were some small changes for vehicles, Vail has been working on vehicle lists and articles

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Vaileasys/sandbox_4

https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=User:Vaileasys/sandbox_4&oldid=986653

He's also done some cool work on linking to vehicle spawn locations on the map, but that's very experimental atm iirc

[flint vapor]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Lua

Wait

That's not what you meant lol ?

Wait so that Lua editing type got implemented in the wiki ?

[languid kayak]

was thinking what you are up to as well 😛 Good to have you back indeed 🙂

[languid kayak]

we have scribunto extension thanks to kirrus, mostly admin stuff that Vail and Calvy were digging into

[flint vapor]

@languid kayak no idea about that one haha
https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Mod.info&curid=146615&diff=997735&oldid=988873

But probably yea if macOS is case sensible

[naive imp]

Damn yall think about me that much? Lol

[languid kayak]

macOS is still unix so I'd say so 🙂

[flint vapor]

Yea

[digital helm]

As Calvy said, for now it'd just be the core navbox template, not the variants: location, vehicle, stats, etc. some of these, like items, might end up being automated, but I don't see this ever being the case for locations.

It's just those core templates we'll be looking at, at least in the short to mid-term. Once we have things in place, we'll likely put some kind of guide together, especially if the implementation changes drastically

[digital helm]

Haven't done anything with language templates since my last update. I expect these to be in Lua though, at least the core functionality.

[proud cobalt]

Turns out theres like 6 new foraging files

[serene sage]

long denim shorts article could use a fixup in the intro

can’t edit it now but wanted to point that out

particularly the ending

like ankle flashing isn’t even a thing in the game

sadly

[languid kayak]

or to display socks
👀

[languid kayak]

I reworked https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Strength&diff=prev&oldid=990307 and added it as a trivia in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Strength#Trivia and https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Fitness#Trivia – the page is still marked as 41.78.16 but is it still the case in Build 42? If so, I guess it should be noted as a bug?

[lucid junco]

@quartz bear

[quartz bear]

what

what do I do here

I'm not a writer

[tulip kiln]

ok lads we're probably gonna need a funny gif of zombies ragdolling after being hit by a car

perfect for the zombie page

[lucid junco]

Are you a reader at least

We need some backing to if athletic + strength xp gain is affected by boosts

[flat sun]

the only bug is that the boost is displayed

whether the boost is applied is a sandbox option and is off by default

[lucid junco]

I see

Added three new basements
Do we have a basement page yet

Added retrigger last action with LMB on doors.
Took only 8 updates to fix the damn canceling upon opening/closing doors thing

[tulip kiln]

u seen those sexy new flyers?

my god

[lucid junco]

When performing actions like taking pills, reading items, using a lighter or matches to light a cigarette, drinking from a container, or eating part of a food item, if the item is not in the player's main inventory, the character will try to return it afterward. Does not work for characters that have the Disorganized trait.

Should be mentioned in the Disorganized page

Water containing tiles, such as sinks and toilets, in rooms that have "derelict" in their room definition name, or are in a no-water map zone, will not have any water in them.

Can be mentioned in the Sunderland hills page

When eating food and an eating utensils such as a spoon, fork or spork would change the eating animation/speed/benefits, the timed action code will search the player's inventory recursively through all bags for a utensil versus just the primary inventory. I.e. you can keep your spork in your fanny pack or backpack and still use it.

Huh

Never knew that utensils change anything when eating

Added a Tailor profession.

• Added toy capgun pistols and rifles, and their ammunition. These still need custom sounds, and currently use the .38 Special Revolver sound effects as placeholders.

The Handy trait, Carpenter profession, Repairman profession, and Engineer profession receive a +1 skill level in Masonry.

• The Cook trait, Hunter trait, and Chef profession receive a +1 skill level in Butchering; it is intentional that the Burger Flipper profession does not provide any benefit in Butchering.

@languid kayak Fixed character with Deaf trait hearing ambient sounds.

One of two quirks of Deaf trait is out

Now what's left is the ability to hear other players

Fixed typo on LV Police car.

Didn't someone report it here?

[tulip kiln]

yeah I think I remember someone mentioning that a while back

[serene sage]

yessir gonna add one to the draft I have for the rewrite of the page

[lucid junco]

jeez

1.6 gigabytes

[lucid junco]

https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-christian-bale-business-gif-13484994

fixed image

[serene sage]

the most important of all the sections

[hushed bobcat]

Didn't notice any difference to be honest 😕
Btw, was that the only one updated? I usually check the last modified files, but I haven't PZ installed before this morning (new pc) so I lost what is new (and there is too many fliers to manually check)

[lucid junco]

It was the only one to be update as far as my reports go

[hushed bobcat]

The new ones were uploaded btw, then linked to their business pages, with addresses and phone number pages updated as well

[lucid junco]

.

Maybe it was updated earlier though

[flint vapor]

Hmm, can that space above Infobox be removed somehow ?

Most likely due to an interaction between Infobox and Main ?

[flint vapor]

Any reason why Startup parameters is in the category Multiplayer ?

It should be elsewhere, that's for sure, but should it be in modding ? It applies to users too so eh

Maybe just in Project Zomboid ?

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Startup_parameters

[languid kayak]

I saw them briefly, I think there are three new https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Phone_numbers and some new streets for @hushed bobcat?

[languid kayak]

We have more things like that, burnt town, abandoned settlement, "tanglewood", camps…

[languid kayak]

that was a b41 thing, but it only changed animations 😄 Vail made a GIF iirc way back there

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Spoon_Eating_Anim.gif

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Fork_Eating_Anim.gif

[serene sage]

this was one of my favorite pieces of media on the wiki back when I just joined the wiki

mid's fun facts

[languid kayak]

yeah, icons were added in 42.7.0 🙂

(for cap guns and toy rifles, as well as the ammo)

[languid kayak]

that would be me 😄 https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Phone_numbers#Phone_numbers needs to be updated

[languid kayak]

@flint vapor shouldn't it be called ModOptions (no space)? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Mod_Options

also are we gonna make this page? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/PZAPI

[flint vapor]

Yea, it was one of the first Lua object page created and so the naming back then wasn't set yet

[flint vapor]

Yea, most likely. It's an API in the Lua which notably has the ModOptions

But if I remember right it has other bits

It was added very recently, which is why documenting it wasn't pressing because there isn't much for it, for now

[flat sun]

it has the new UI

[flint vapor]

Ah yea that

[flat sun]

tbh i don't know what you'd put on that page

it just contains things that would need their own pages anyway

[flint vapor]

It would list available tools from it I guess

[flint vapor]

Yea

What's weird is the fact this PZAPI thing even exists in the first place ...

Like every single tools that are Lua sided were all developped in their globals, never directly inside a generic API table or some shit

And for some reasons, now that thing appeared out of nowhere, for things that could still follow the rest of the code

[flat sun]

yeah i don't really get it either

it'd make sense if it contained stuff specifically meant for modding but the new ui isn't

[flint vapor]

Yea, and there's a fuck ton of other things related to modding that aren't inside it either

[flat sun]

just more inconsistency in the game's style really 😅

[flint vapor]

Exactly

[languid kayak]

Moved to https://pzwiki.net/wiki/ModOptions then 👌

I stuck {{Improve}} as there are some warnings that could be replaced with {{Note}}, I didn't read the whole page to see if anything else needs fixing, but saw you took care of the page, so feel free to remove improve if you update the warnings and there's nothing else to fix 🙂

[flint vapor]

The whole page is really solid currently

I'll take care of it

[languid kayak]

This too while at it 😛 Slapped {{Improve}} for now https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Sandbox_options

[flint vapor]

Sure

[flint vapor]

Done, left an improve for bugs that need confirmation

for later versions

Also

[flint vapor]

There needs to be something done regarding this page and Custom sandbox

Because the both of them blend together

Modders end up finding Custom sandbox because they search Custom sandbox, and people who look for informations regarding sandbox informations look for Sandbox first

So I think what I'm gonna do is rename the modding page to Custom sandbox (modding)

[flat sun]

perhaps 'custom sandbox options'

the topic is sandbox options, 'custom sandbox' is a gamemode

[flint vapor]

Imo this doesn't fix the problem lmao

[flat sun]

'custom sandbox (modding)' as a title doesn't accurately describe what the page is even about imo

[flint vapor]

I meant to use that because of the Custom sandbox page

To have in the title a proper differenciation between the user page and the modding page

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Sandbox_options
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Custom_Sandbox

You see the problem ?

Custom Sandbox is a guide to sandbox options
Sandbox options is a guide to making sandbox options

So either we go with something where both have the same name, and have a (modding) in the title so it's clear what is what OR there's a general rename for BOTH pages to properly differentiate the pages

This is a subject I've brought up in the past and I would really appreciate actions being taken regarding it

[flat sun]

tbh it would make more sense for the non-modding page to be called Sandbox Options

[flint vapor]

That's my option

[flat sun]

99% of that page is just sandbox options, the actual description of the gamemode is just a single paragraph which the other game modes have on the Game modes page

i don't really know what the modding page should be called though, i think we moved away from names styled like 'adding sandbox options'

[languid kayak]

sounds sane, probably more logical too. I see {{About}} is set for both, so it'd just be less confusing that way

[flat sun]

infact, the paragraph is copied exactly to that page anyway 😅

[languid kayak]

That could work too, as indeed Custom Sandbox is a game mode verbatim (at least was when I last checked)

[flint vapor]

The issue is that both of these pages are refered at different places

And switching names

Is going to cause a lot of issues

[flat sun]

yeah i think if any page is going to be called 'custom sandbox' verbatim it has to be the current page, otherwise the literal exact name of the game mode goes to an unrelated page

[digital helm]

I might be late. But putting the main template beneath the infobox should fix it

[flint vapor]

I'll test that thank you

That did it thank you

[proud cobalt]

Furniture sandbox pages merged into main namespace, i did my best to preserve written info. Tables will evolve over the span of unstable due to the nature of development. e.g. 87 Grey lamps atm

[lucid junco]

@restive adder @proud cobalt Uuuh

Doesnt look like it moved West Point Gun Range and Hunting Center to Stendo's Firearms Emporium

[lucid junco]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Greengrocer_Dry_Goods
page created

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Sheriff#Interior
Page created

[naive imp]

🫡

[lucid junco]

See a tool store
Look inside
No tools but a bunch of junk

such a scam

Even anvil isnt real

https://tenor.com/view/disappointment-immeasurable-day-ruined-my-disappointment-is-immeasurable-and-my-day-is-ruined-gif-25049040

@naive imp should it be called just coalfield

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Coalfield

Or Historic Coalfield

Or coalfield Kentucky

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Miss_Honey's_Beauty_Parlor
Page created

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Iron_West_Hardware
Page created

[lucid junco]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Bank

Page created

[languid kayak]

I moved it now

[languid kayak]

kids might have hurt themselves

[languid kayak]

we had this discussion, opted to just Coalfield (I think Pat confirmed it?)

Although I see virtually everyone calling it "Historic Coalfield"

#pzwiki_editing message

(relevant discussion)

[lucid junco]

@quartz bear Can you give us some info on the Meta Predator?

Like how often is may

[quartz bear]

so there's a check related to time

an animlal has to be inside the hutch for some (unspecified) time for the thing to roll

normal chance is 1/150, if the animal is a baby it's 1/45, if it's a female then it's 1/90

that's about it yeah

[thin cloud]

Thanks everyone who compiled the street names, I secretly knew I could rely on you to do that!!!

[digital helm]

@hushed bobcat ☝️

[languid kayak]

and yet no appreciation of the phone numbers, despite finding and fixing the issue with 991 on the back of the car 😛 /s

Speaking of which, I think 55 is an error in https://pzwiki.net/w/images/5/57/StepVan_SouthEasternHosp_Model.png

But yeah, all @hushed bobcat's work, who also added the new phone numbers from 42.8.0 as well https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Phone_numbers&diff=1000931&oldid=984025

[thin cloud]

That also!

[proud cobalt]

Referred to as just Coalfield multiple times in the writing

[hushed bobcat]

@languid kayak , while the 943 area code nowadays covers a portion of the state of Georgia (as you pointed), it was non existent until 2022. SO..... depending on when the first reference was introduced, we can even say PZ has the rights on it 😛

[languid kayak]

oh, good point!

[lucid junco]

Obviously wiki wouldnt lie about facts

Or would it

https://tenor.com/view/michael-vsauce-scary-gif-10423685459435768749

@quartz bear Id like some code to confirm that zeds dont get slowed down by cold and have lower vision in the blizzard

But my experience should be enough to say that someone is making things up

[flat sun]

it's a long-standing myth because there was a sandbox option for it

they removed it years ago because it didn't do anything

[quartz bear]

So I don't need to do anything, right?

[lucid junco]

How are you managing to help without any code

[quartz bear]

Well I'm not helping

@flat sun is

[lucid junco]

And also

I think winter is coming

is a reference to a certain media

Something to do with games and thrones

hmm

[lucid junco]

Um, can you translate the gamecode

    if getGameTime():getWorldAgeHours()-2 >= 4*24 then --WorldAgeHours has 2 subtracted from it to delay the storm's start from 7 am to 9 am
        getCore():setForceSnow(true);
        forceSnowCheck();
    end

    if getGameTime():getWorldAgeHours()+2 >=3*24 and getGameTime():getWorldAgeHours()-2 <=4*24 then
        getClimateManager():triggerWinterIsComingStorm();
    end
    

    if getGameTime():getDay() == 8 and getGameTime():getTimeOfDay() == 9 then
        local modal = ISModalRichText:new(getCore():getScreenWidth()/2 - 100, getCore():getScreenHeight()/2 - 50, 200, 100, getText("Challenge_WinterIsComingInfoBox"), false, nil, nil, 0);
        modal:initialise();
        modal:addToUIManager();
        if JoypadState.players[1] then
            JoypadState.players[1].focus = modal
        end
    end
end

Id like to compress it and write it down on the page

[quartz bear]

I'm still in bed

I'll do it once I'm back

(someone will beat me to it)

[lucid junco]

    if getGameTime():getWorldAgeHours()+2 >=4*24 then
        getCore():setForceSnow(true);
    end
   if getGameTime():getWorldAgeHours()-2 >=3*24 and getGameTime():getWorldAgeHours()-2 <=4*24 then
        getClimateManager():triggerWinterIsComingStorm();
    end
end

[flat sun]

when you post lua surround it with
```lua
code here
```

otherwise it's unreadable

[lucid junco]

fuckin

Thanks

I aint know shit bout coding, but I know that anything green means its unimplemented/commentary

So those are the only used code related to the challenge

[languid kayak]

chess?

[lucid junco]

Enter the gungeon

it has thrones

and is a game

[flat sun]

after 3 days and 2 hours, a storm will start, and 20 hours after that, permanent snow will be enabled

but it kinda looks like they fucked up the checks in different places 😅

[lucid junco]

Ahh

Tis coding

at its finest

[flat sun]

the every hour check has slightly different timings than the game start check

[lucid junco]

and they had commented out a lot of things

[lucid junco]

But overall this is it, yeah?

[flat sun]

yeah that's the idea

[lucid junco]

Id guess they use apocalypse settings

With slight exeption of insane zombie pop

SandboxVars.ZombieConfig.PopulationMultiplier = ZombiePopulationMultiplier.Insane

[lucid junco]

You know what is also tis coding?

Lets define spawn point that will be overwritten by another defined spawnpoint

but for some reason its written as a math equation

[serene sage]

ok wtf

doing math to determine a spawn point

[lucid junco]

who does math in 2k25

you have calculators for that

[serene sage]

asks ChatGPT what is 1 + 2.5

[lucid junco]

It knows

[flat sun]

it's pretty reasonable here

[lucid junco]

https://tenor.com/view/vine-21-whats-nine-plus-ten-twenty-one-gif-20252658

[flat sun]

the multiplication by 300 is converting cell co-ordinates to real co-ordinates

[serene sage]

I see

well I have no clue why they just didn't add an API call to OpenAI for that but okie 👍

[lucid junco]

But why is it in cell coordinates while other coords are in regular coordinates

[flat sun]

those aren't great yeah

[lucid junco]

and why did they bother with coordinates if it overwrites them

[serene sage]

great question for the future TIS-PZWiki interview

coming soon(TM)

but yeah probably just legacy code they didn't throw out

[lucid junco]

Just like that lighting code

where the lighting randomness doesnt change

since halflife one

[lucid junco]

Honestly would like to see what it is

It even takes place at Muldraugh church

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Winter_Is_Coming#Gallery
Updated

[serene sage]

like what the challenge looks like?

[lucid junco]

Yes

[serene sage]

I see

I think there was a mod that brought it back

unsure

hmmm

looks like an actual mod: https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/1434-insomnia/

a very old one though

wow what a cool recipe

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Capgun_Cap

[proud cobalt]

Hopefully this is fixed the next time i run the updater... Otherwise i might have to find out why it broke 😄

[lucid junco]

Can we get a tis code check on this one

did they really wrote the same code to set spawn point 3 times

only for a single one to overwrite it

[languid kayak]

is that pre-b42 or b42 only? As new challenges were teased

[languid kayak]

ah, I see

[languid kayak]

btw, do we get these errors reported in site maintainteance? I think it'd be doable

The same happens in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Primitive_Forge#Building

[lucid junco]

On that note, surprisingly a lot of challenges have updated thumbnails

Apart from The Opening Days

So challenges that are already in the game have 3 thumbnails

The video, the image of the video and the square thumbnail that is different

[flint vapor]

That first one doesn't write at all

There's an if false

So it never runs

No idea why they wouldn't just comment that part if they want to deactivate it...

[proud cobalt]

This one is an error from the user, not updater, i've fixed

https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Primitive_Forge&oldid=1009863

[languid kayak]

yeah, though so, though would be nice for that kind of errors to be reported (placed in a category)

[proud cobalt]

Done, it's filling now, wait for cache.

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Pages_with_incorrect_crafting_usage

https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Category:Site_maintenance&diff=prev&oldid=1009869

Something has obviously gone wrong with the latest recipe update, i have added it to my to-do, likely tomorrow

[languid kayak]

https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Clay&curid=119399&diff=999603&oldid=992275 – is there a tag to link to that allows picking clay? As it seems to be shovels only but not trowels?

I guess it's https://pzwiki.net/wiki/TakeDirt_(tag) ?

[proud cobalt]

I have no idea

[languid kayak]

@quartz bear can you check whether https://pzwiki.net/wiki/TakeDirt_(tag) is what's required to pick up (dig) clay? I'd assume so

[quartz bear]

Not home rn but ill remember if i remember

[languid kayak]

would be nice to have a way to chceck tags as I'm (still) planning to going througgh them manually eventually 😄 But I bet they are all over the place, if it's Java I'd have to decompile the game, lua I can at least search through easily

[proud cobalt]

Decompiling is really simple now with the modding decompiler

[flint vapor]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Zomboid_Decompiler

[digital helm]

I checked this a little while ago, iirc each item is hardcoded, or a tag is used for mining

Never mind, the entire file is commented since 42.7, and I can't really look into it for now

[digital helm]

You're right. It's just the TakeDirt tag

local function predicateTakeDirt(item)
    return not item:isBroken() and item:hasTag("TakeDirt")
end

Which is the same for sand, gravel and dirt

[serene sage]

is it even possible for a zed to give the player a deep wound?

it says so in the current zombie article but I have never seen this

[proud cobalt]

I've only ever seen or heard of a scratch, laceration, or bite. Never a deep wound. Maybe a relic of old pz or someone getting laceration and deep wound mixed

[flat sun]

yeah that's impossible afaik

[serene sage]

damn actual factually wrong info on the wiki

[lucid junco]

Nope

Deep wounds are only possible by falling or stepping on glass

Or getting led thrown at you very fast

[proud cobalt]

https://tenor.com/view/dodging-bullet-docking-bullet-bullet-shot-gunshot-gif-15335387

[proud cobalt]

Fixed the crafting issue, will take time for cache to update

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Capgun_Cap

[lucid junco]

What will we do with metalworking?

Currently Axe Head or Firefighter Axe Heads have no recipes

[proud cobalt]

What do you mean?

[lucid junco]

Nvm

It just poorly scales on phones

The list is collapsed

[flint vapor]

Or by being the object going very fast and hitting a wall 😂

[unreal notch]

.

[ruby parrot]

server/Farming/farming_vegetableconf_herbs.lua- timeToGrow = 484,

server/Farming/farming_vegetableconf_herbs.lua:farming_vegetableconf.props.Basil = {

from seed pack - 60 days

i fail to see how 484 translates into 60 days

may be its IRL ammount of minutes or smth?

[flint vapor]

Hmmm

An in-game day is 1 hour right ?

Check the other seeds perhaps ?

And compare if you get the same value ?

[ruby parrot]

292.0/60
4.866666666666666

turnip

1444.0/60
24.066666666666666
ROSEMARY

180 days

half year give or take

one day is not half year

month or two, may be

i am too tired

[flat sun]

you need to look at the harvestLevel too

timeToGrow is the number of hours per stage, harvestLevel is how many stages until you can harvest

so 484 * 3 / 24 = 60 days

[flint vapor]

Hmm

Interesting

[lucid junco]

@proud cobalt I just found some diamonds in the puch, inside of a duffel bag full of money with another one containing robbing gear. I think diamond distribution needs updating

And it isnt a randomized story

[naive imp]

Probably just coalfield imo but if it's been changed already nbd

@digital helm did anything ever come of collapsible page headers and sections? I remember us talking about it a while ago

I assume not?

[lucid junco]

@quartz bear Can we get some numbers on how wide each generator sound radius is?

[quartz bear]

idk, can we?

I can give you the numbers but probably not the units

[lucid junco]

Its in tiles

But its for the base generator

Since I know that its sound radius is 20

[quartz bear]

Yeah I'm looking for the rest rn

going through some epic tis coding rn

Generator - 20 * 1
Premium Technologies - 20 * 1
ValuTech - 23 * 1
Old - 25 * 1

Radius * Volume

It's in items_electric.txt

[lucid junco]

thanks

[digital helm]

Nothing has happened. I created the template https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:ToggleHeading but nothing other than that. Because of the nature of a template, you will have issues with things like tables. So I'm thinking it may not be ideal. Basically every instance of | will need to be replaced with {{!}}, and = with {{=}}

[lucid junco]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Vehicle

So I made some changes, primarily because this page feels really off

@languid kayak @naive imp @digital helm

Needs some reviewing and discussion

[digital helm]

I'll take a proper look now, but one thing I noticed was the spawning. Vehicle spawning is by vehicle, rather than the type

[lucid junco]

Note that this is just the beginning, Im inclined to change the Controls section

[lucid junco]

Elaborate?

Oh, I see

Yeah

I should probably reword it

[flint vapor]

Oh fucking hell

{{Code|lang=bash|-agentlib:jdwp=transport=dt_socket,server=y,suspend=n,address=*:5005 -- -debug}}

How do I write that down without the template thinking that text is a custom argument

Ok got it, writting down 1=

[flint vapor]

@languid kayak is there a specific way we should add graphs to the wiki ? Currently I've used a shitty png python graph but is there a specific style we should follow ?

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Procedural_distribution_-_system_problem.png

[proud cobalt]

You can replace pipes with {{!}}

[flint vapor]

How should I use that exactly ?

Put the text in-between {{ }} ?

[flint vapor]

The reason I'm asking is because I thought about making this graph transparent the same way wikipedia does (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_equation#/media/File:X_is_a.svg) , but idk how that would even render on dark mode. In Wikipedia the darkmode doesn't seem to cause issues with the graphs

Jesus wtf is this embed

that's not even showing the right graph!

[proud cobalt]

Sorry I misunderstood the issue. {{!}} fixes issues with pipes, but in this it's the = so if you replaced every instance of = with {{=}} it would work. But your solution of defining the params is simpler

{{Code|lang=bash|-agentlib:jdwp{{=}}transport{{=}}dt_socket,server{{=}}y,suspend{{=}}n,address{{=}}*:5005 -- -debug}}

[flint vapor]

Ah yea thank you for pointing it out anyway, I knew I had this issue before and there was a solution, but yea the one I used is definitely simpler in this case 😅

[proud cobalt]

Np, magic words come in handy for building tables inside templates and such, though still an absolute nightmare 😄

[flint vapor]

yea 😢

[proud cobalt]

On my Todo to investigate

[proud cobalt]

When I rewrote the generate article it hadn't been implemented yet. Has it been implemented now? I havnt kept up with patch notes

[naive imp]

is 0424 need sleep. will look at it tmrw

gn yall

[digital helm]

Yeah, there's different vehicle zones. Then there's a lua file that defines which vehicles spawn in them. Then there's another lua file that has a chance of a vehicle id being swapped out for another one, which can be based on the region (e.g. Muldraugh). This is for things like police and business variants
Here's the mccoy vehicle zone https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Vaileasys/sandbox_5

I don't think vehicle spawning should be mentioned in the types at all. They're unrelated mechanics. Vehicle type is only related to vehicle mechanics, i.e. the type of parts that can be used, and the skill required.
Because spawning is relatively in-depth, it might be worth having a separate section for it. I was also considering having a different page per vehicle zone, but idk. (one for each of these https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=User:Vaileasys/sandbox_4&oldid=988815)

[lucid junco]

Like, in 42.4

[digital helm]

New business vehicle Base.StepVan_Propane

[digital helm]

Fixed the vehicle lighting

[proud cobalt]

Much better

[naive imp]

I like it. There's a few little grammar mistakes here and there but I like the direction you're going with this.

I particularly like the table of vehicles and their stats

[naive imp]

I'll experiment with it. I don't see magic words being too big of a deal.

[digital helm]

It's more so if someone else wants to add something. It kind of limits the ability of the layman to contribute

[naive imp]

I guess. I'd imagine they'd figure it out though. That's what I did. Just looked at how things were formatted and learned by doing

But yeah some people may not see it that way

[digital helm]

It's not a big deal. Just something to be mindful of

[proud cobalt]

I'm definitely against whole sections being wrapped in templates. Collapsing headers is a native feature of citizen which is our default skin

We could request lower level headings being collapsible, they were pretty fast on Faals requests

[lucid junco]

So exactly not what I worked on

[naive imp]

Oh I thought that was you I just checked history with author lol

But yeah I definitely agree your wording made it more clear

[lucid junco]

That was before me and thats the only thing Im not planning to change

[naive imp]

When I wrote it originally I was kinda rushing so it was a bit bad

And I didn't know what would be better

[lucid junco]

Currently thinking on how to reword Controls thing

Its not a bad thing that we include explanations to how refuel cars, radial menus, car jacking

And dash board

But it can be done in a better style

[languid kayak]

might be the new distributin files Calvy turned out not to pares? Not sure about the stories

[languid kayak]

oh nvm, just reread

isnt

[lucid junco]

Couple of context images

[languid kayak]

Good that you got it, sometimes you have to resort to use {{=}} instead too, see https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:=

[languid kayak]

I think MathML and LateX is disabled and so are SVG, but if we get more like that, maybe we can take a look

[digital helm]

Transparent PNG might be preferred. If it's made for light mode, we have logo-dark CSS class to invert the colours
so [[File:Example.png|class=logo-dark]]

(in hindsight, probably should've just been called invert or something)

[digital helm]

Controls is probably the main thing that needs a look at. It was merged without much thought. If you want, we could move the more basic controls to the Controls page. But other than that, I'm not sure how to improve it

[languid kayak]

Wikipedia issue, showing first gragphic that loads 😄
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:X_is_a.svg

[languid kayak]

noticed as well :). I think there's no new phones and adresses on any of them though (IIRC there's no vehicles with addresses, at all, right? For @hushed bobcat)

[languid kayak]

yeah, definitely!

[languid kayak]

Well, I did put some through for it, but both controls on the vehicle and https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Controls are outdated and definitely could use more cleanups

Trhere's also some some possible duplication on https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Options though I remember going through it back before b42 briefly

Then there's https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Keybinds&redirect=no that redircts to the modding page; not sure if it's appropriate?

Some {{About}}s to them all could be useful as well

[languid kayak]

@digital helm I started with the TakeDirt tag; is that something we generally want out of these articles? https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=TakeDirt_(tag)&diff=1011827&oldid=962703 – especially the usage section format? Or would we rather want a plain list instead? Filling it would ideally be through looking through code, whith I might eventually do, but no ETA 😛

I did not try bumping them to 42.8.0 manually in case you'd want to run an updated script again (not sure if that's a thng?)

I also switched see also's to use {{ll}} instead; and IIRC we discussed that the autogenerated see also's will no longer be a thing?

[digital helm]

Might be more relevant for controls/options?

[languid kayak]

yeah, my though too, as that was the keyword I was searching for 😄 I'll change it

[digital helm]

That was the original purpose, yeah. So players and modders alike could see where it's used. The relevant files could be referenced too I guess

[flint vapor]

Hmm, tho I'm scared the graph will look dogshit in darkmode but I'll try that thx !

[languid kayak]

files yeah, will you be bumping version with a script or should it be done mnaually too? And I suppose ll for see alsos now is right?

[digital helm]

I think my script did update it. But if the version was the only change it skipped it

Finally rolling out vehicle variants. I didn't finish locations, but it was taking too long, so I'll come back to it later
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Taxi
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Burnt_Ambulance
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Muldraugh_Police_Chevalier_Nyala

[proud cobalt]

See also has been removed from my generated scripts afaik

[languid kayak]

ah, that makes sense then 🙂

I doubt we got any new tags since we skipped adding see also though (or are we not skipping it anymore? I remember it was going to be the case with Calvy's autogenerated furniture going forward?)

[languid kayak]

yeah that 😄

[digital helm]

Items was removed, but tags kept it. To me, tags seemed more likely to be accurate, and harder for a human to know them to add

[languid kayak]

looks nice; do we still need a [Hide] for variants if we can hide headers in the Citizen skin? Is it for non-Citizen skins? Can't hide Parts though.

I suppose the Variants is better as a table instead instead of a simple item lists similar to items? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/T-shirt#Variants

I think I tackled that too, but I supposed we will eventually create https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Lightbar&redirect=no as a dedicated page, right? (Right now it's a redirect to unusable(?) lightbar items that can be found lying around; I think we had this discussion but I forgot what was the answer?)

Also, I'm not sure, but there are lighbars with no siren in-game, right? As in service vehicles?

As per Police's Nyala

features a lightbar, which includes a siren.

Also, English is not my native language, but shouldn't it be (as in sounding better) "The table below", in that order? In this:

The below table shows a list of parts this vehicle can have and the requirements to install/uninstall.

Finally, I guess the loot that can spawn in the vehicles is independent of the vehicle type? I really like the unique key rings, parts, and outfits though!

But yeah, all those are nits 😄

[languid kayak]

yeah, I'll be replacing them by hand as I see fit then, but best to replace the script to use {{ll}} for See alsos in the future I guess 🙂

https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content="the+table+below"%2C"the+below+table"&year_start=1800&year_end=2022&corpus=en&smoothing=3&case_insensitive=true

[digital helm]

True, but you can't in other skins. No harm adding it I figured (also it uses the same script as the list in the vehicle article, so it's just a carry-over)

The table was used so you could compare the stats, otherwise we'd have to list all 233 on the vehicle article

Having a dedicated page for lightbar I figured might be good, but idk. The lightbar items are kinda separate to the lightbar mechanic (especially now since they have no function).

I thought so too, but I checked the lightbars, from what I could find if they had a lightbar, they had a siren. There's no has_siren check, only a has_lightbar check.

table below may have been better here, but neither is wrong, it just comes down to how it sounds and personal preference. below table is just more formal.

loot spawning will be something I'll come back to, along with locations

[languid kayak]

right now lightbar dedicates to itam disambig so it should definitely be changed 😄

As far as that, I wondered whether "which includes a siren" might be redundant, as every vehicle would have it 🤔. I wonder if some update for that is planned though, no idea if we can have a glipse with no thurstoids for a while though 😩.

And yeah, I know both are correct and indeed "below table" sounds a bit too formal I think?

[digital helm]

I added it explicitly to avoid confusion, as we both thought they didn't all have it 😄

I'll think about running a script to change it... think about it 😛

[languid kayak]

Nah, let's keep it as is I guess (if you are referring to lightbar), especially if we end up with having vehicles just like it 😄

[digital helm]

first line was about lightbar, second line was about below table 😄

[languid kayak]

ah 😄

[naive imp]

Agreed.

[lucid junco]

Cool

Now I need to do it

In a better style

[flint vapor]

For keybinds involving a click, should I just use "left click" or there's something like Template:Key ?

[flint vapor]

Wait, what about { and } ?

I guess I just did {{Code|} }} and it worked

[digital helm]

We don't have anything yet, I was going to add something for it with Key, like this https://barotraumagame.com/wiki/Template:Key

[lucid junco]

I think we have Keyboard

But not Key

[lucid junco]

Im loosing my mind with coalfield

why is bar in the building called Saloon is empty

[flint vapor]

Uh ?

[flint vapor]

That sounds good !

[lucid junco]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Keyboard

[flint vapor]

That's not what I'm talking about 😅

I'm talking about the Key template

Which writes keyboard keys in a nice way

[lucid junco]

I see

[languid kayak]

our of curiosity, I looked up PCGW, seems they also have just keys? https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Template:Key

[languid kayak]

I've always been typing |2= and realized just | is enough after Doggy's edit 😄 https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Startup_parameters&diff=1000951&oldid=1000949

@proud cobalt for that since you botted the most oldids 😛

[proud cobalt]

I prefer |2= much easier for the bot

[languid kayak]

makes sense

@flint vapor Would it make sense to put https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Startup_parameters to Modding similar as https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Debug_mode is there? Right now it's sitting in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Project_Zomboid (not an issue, just wondering)

[lucid junco]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Nutritionist_(occupation_trait)
and

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Nutritionist

Whats the point

They are nearly identical

[languid kayak]

We kinda did have a rule of one (internal) trait, even if they are the same, technically we can merge them, but it's like that for everything else

[lucid junco]

Why shouldnt we merge both and just say "Can be chosen as a perk, or comes with Fitness instructor occupation"

[languid kayak]

https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=occupation+trait

[lucid junco]

I see

Sidenote

Checking the illiterate occupation trait effects and uhh

Annotated maps are illegible

[proud cobalt]

Cool way to convey information while being trait accurate. Way better than the lazy way of just popping up "I can't read this"

[digital helm]

I think it's just for consistency, since some can have different effects. I think the amateur mechanic was one

[lucid junco]

And Keen Cook

And Blacksmith

[digital helm]

Yeah those ones

[flint vapor]

I thought about it but figured Startup parameters are also used by normal users, to set ram usage for example

So I don't think it should

But I'm not sure tbf

It's at an in-between

And considering debug mode being modding tho can still be used by users... yea

Maybe technical things should be blue overall, I thought about it for items too

The ID of items

[languid kayak]

that's neat!

[flint vapor]

But I don't think you can modify the section color in infobox ?

[lucid junco]

Something that I also found while testing is uh

ummm

[languid kayak]

as in mixed in the infobox? Not sure that'd look nice? @digital helm is a person to ask for layout stuff generally nowadays 😄

[languid kayak]

yeah, seems I could take Brave and the perk that allows you to run faster when panicked (forgot the name), not sure if intentional?

[lucid junco]

Brave is not exclusive with adrenaline junkie

Since its not imbalanced, or broken literally

Adrenaline junkie is exclusive with cowardly, agora- and claustro- -phobic

As well as desensitized since that wont work

[flint vapor]

Yea idk tbf

[digital helm]

Red = main game features, Blue = Everything else (used to just be community related things)

We used to have a mix of colours, but it didn't look great, so stuck with the 1 colour for everything based on the article topic

[flat sun]

i don't think that would make sense, most of the launch parameters aren't related to modding at all, they're used more often by server operators than modders

[digital helm]

I've added the mouse icons https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Key e.g., {{Key|mouse|left}}
Thanks for bringing it up, found this on my to-do and the files saved since 2021 😄

[languid kayak]

Maybe the other way around then? Putting debug mode out of modding?

All pretty small nits though 🙂

[flint vapor]

Nice !

Thx for adding it

I'll add it where I needed that

[lucid junco]

Maybe Im a bit over descriptive

[serene sage]

gonna have to dial back on the wiki work again

finals month is rapidly approaching

will still be around somewhat though, just no major wiki work for the month

[lucid junco]

Ive seen you on tis forums

[serene sage]

[languid kayak]

last time it was ThinkDock working on renaming them 😛

[languid kayak]

was ages since i've been active on the forums 👉 👈

[lucid junco]

Its been a day since Ive posted something on forums

And all of my posts are bug reports

Except from one suggestion

[languid kayak]

I used to be very active with reporting bugs on forums, a little less now that I'm mostly occupied with wiki on the free time 😄

[lucid junco]

Mainly reporting bugs as I go along the mapping project

[languid kayak]

Nothing new per se, but an overview of Zomobid's history: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdHzQupxK8M

[flint vapor]

Zomobid

[naive imp]

Yeah and I'm very grateful for the help tbh.

Tedious

[lucid junco]

https://youtu.be/MElOC7Krygc

[lucid junco]

https://youtu.be/RexjMg6Eww4

If I remember correctly zomboid universe doesn't have "zombies" or "zeds"

[languid kayak]

I think we had this discussion somewhere here already?

[lucid junco]

.

[languid kayak]

Fun fact, I wasn't aware (well, realistically forgot), that we have {{Code}} template 😄 https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Outputs&curid=144759&diff=1012165&oldid=1012163

[digital helm]

I use it all the time for template docs. it uses the syntaxhighlight extension too, so more customisable than just <code>

[mossy rune]

hello friends im new to this channel and want to help with the wiki. I noticed a lot of it isn't updated to b42 yet and wanna make it better for everyone

[proud cobalt]

We'd love some help. We have some help guides to get started with wiki editing, then check out our B42 community project.

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Help:Contents
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Project_Build_42_Update

[mossy rune]

Is the pz wiki associated with the b42 map? I'd like to add some POIs i discovered while playing in Echo Creek

[proud cobalt]

I manage the B42 map, i'm about to go to bed but let me know and i'll look at adding them

[lucid junco]

Map is made by wiki contributors

And by that I mean one guy made it and everyone takes contributions

[mossy rune]

in here?

[proud cobalt]

Here or dm me I don't mind

[mossy rune]

I've edited a few pages, adding use cases and context to a few of the new items

[mossy rune]

off work.... time to edit more pages