pzwiki_editing

[lucid junco]

And 1 million is a lot

[languid kayak]

yeah, was reading stuff below after that, seems sharp will document it on the wiki which would be neat 🙂

yeah, will be especially useful for mp servers too

[lucid junco]

Current map is size of 19800x15900

[quartz bear]

well how large is one grid

[lucid junco]

If we are speaking in coords, you will need to walk equivalent of 50.(505) maps to get away from the chopper

In a straight line

[quartz bear]

my math tells a different story (if the size you said is in coords)

I must be missing something because why would leave this check in

It's just unnecessary expense on CPU resources

for what is basically an opaque predicate

[lucid junco]

(my math may be bonkers because Ive just divided 1 million by 19800 to get 50.5)

[quartz bear]

I chose the hypotenuse

it'd take 40 maps if you walk through their diagonals

[lucid junco]

Yeah, found the diagonal and its 39

.37954

Windows default calculator sucks

So anyway

Thats impossible

If we are speking about real scenario

[quartz bear]

anyway

even if it has value

it doesn't have one when we're talking about regular vanilla experience

also thats sad

i thought chopper was a cute nickname

[languid kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/arnold-schwarzenegger-cigar-shades-gif-14048941477123130026

[lucid junco]

@quartz bear Does the choppah actually reach the end of the map before despawning?

[quartz bear]

no idea

i don't think i saw that anywhere in the code

might be an illusion of the sound effects

[lucid junco]

I guess then that it just takes a sweet long time to leave

[quartz bear]

i could make a debugger for it

[lucid junco]

Because even in "leaving" it shows making sound in player area

[quartz bear]

when leaving it's doing literally nothin

it's just idling in one spot

and if there are no players online it will despawn

[lucid junco]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Metagame#Helicopter
@languid kayak @quartz bear

Hose fire, safehouse and Lootedhouse are all randomized stories

So maybe link to the randomized stories page?

[languid kayak]

sure

[digital helm]

I've added align and float parameters to the video template. align allows it to be aligned center or right, default is left. Alternatively, you can use float so the text wraps. float will act as a boolean (any value = true) if align is defined, and use that value for the position instead.

So: float=right is the same behaviour as thumb in an image
align=center will put it in the center of the screen.

[lucid junco]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Metagame#Randomized_stories
@digital helm

[digital helm]

Looks good. Just moved the images to be above the text, so they float next to the text

[lucid junco]

🤞

@languid kayak @naive imp There are two LV International logos

Which one should we use

[lucid junco]

Nooo

They've killed electric booth traps

[lucid junco]

New fliers 🔥

[lucid junco]

Aww

[lucid junco]

(Accidental ping, sorry Calvy)😅

[hushed bobcat]

New fliers uploaded and page updated
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Flier

[languid kayak]

some got minor changes too IIRC

[lucid junco]

"Windows/window barricades are now improved"
Literally breaks them and makes indestructible

[slender wing]

omg raccoons added 😤😤 one of these days i need to do a dive into the animals so i can fix those pages

[flint vapor]

Raccons were already in the game on B42 release actually

[languid kayak]

the second one I think? Not sure when the first one is used, but it can go to gallery then

[languid kayak]

I don't quite get the float thing, it's only about the text, right?

[digital helm]

Yeah

[digital helm]

Are any of them brochures? The first time around all the brochures were added to the flier page instead of brochure https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Brochure

[digital helm]

Second one (red aeroplane) would look better in the infobox imo. More compact so text won't be as small

[hushed bobcat]

Not even sure how to identify it. They come all from the same folder, is there a internal code type correlation to it? Or is it a "feeling" on how to categorize then as flier vs brochure? (Sorry if its obvious, English is my second language)

TIL (tks gemini):
"Flyers are often used to create awareness and interest, while brochures are used to build on that interest. Flyers are typically less expensive and more disposable than brochures."

[proud cobalt]

I was looking for it

[serene sage]

this a reference to Daddy Dirkie Dirk? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/TDTOE

might be might not be

[digital helm]

Some, but they're mostly all the same, as far as the game goes. I forget the filename. It's a Lua file called something about written media. I can take a look when I get home

[slender wing]

yay new trait! made the Mason page 😄

@languid kayak weird nitpicky grammar thing, but is there a reason we aren't capitalizing the titles of traits/skills/etc that are two words? ive attached some examples of what i mean.

to me it makes more grammatical sense to capitalize both words since it is referring to the title of each skill or trait

ie like this

[lucid junco]

https://tenor.com/view/spiderman-three-gif-19489818

[slender wing]

😱

havent gotten that far in the patch notes then lol

got distracted by making the missing skill pages

ahh, see em now. sweet

although its interesting that inventive does not have anything under its creation method

if anyone can find what inventive actually does, lmk lol cause im not sure what to put for its effects. cant find anything in code for right now

[lucid junco]

Whats the panic button when we don't understand something in the code

Uh

[lucid junco]

@quartz bear

[slender wing]

"Inventive" is just not referenced anywhere else meaningful so im not sure how its actually implemented. trying to review the code for research and i dont see it there either :/

[proud cobalt]

Heads up @languid kayak I overwrote some of your compressed icon images on accident

Huge amount of unlogged balancing to distribution, crafting, food, clothing, weapons

1800 items changed

[digital helm]

It's because they're not recognised as proper nouns on the wiki. Same story for items and occupations. This is on the style guide https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Help:Style_guide#Capitals

[slender wing]

ah, interesting, ok! thank you for linking that

[digital helm]

Np. It's a lot to know

[languid kayak]

oh Ranch stories, never though of that. I didn't fiddle with debug much yet 🙂

[languid kayak]

more stret names for @hushed bobcat too, though you probably have picked them already 😛

(I'll be catching up with the edits since the summary soon™)

[languid kayak]

We had a discussion some time ago here on Discord and basically came to conclusion that the traits (same as occupations, skills, items, and basically everything else that isn't proper noun) should stay lowercase if in sentence and made an exception to page names and lists (including see also). It should be pretty much documented in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Help:Style_guide#Capitals but I get it's fuzzy.

I changed my mind several times, and wasn't sure about traits but I think @digital helm reafirmed me that traits also belong there

[languid kayak]

I think it had description in game? Not sure what it was and can't check now

[languid kayak]

sharpgolden the summoner 🪄

[digital helm]

Not easy to identify tbf. If interested, there's a file called PrintMediaDefintions.lua which has brochures PrintMediaDefinitions.Brochures and PrintMediaDefinitions.Fliers. These strings are used in the key for the file name which is defined in Print_Media_EN.txt.

[slender wing]

yeah it has a description but its pretty vague

[languid kayak]

I was having a second though about compression actually recently, on one hand I know that I've spent a considerable amount of time compressing them back then, but in the end they don't really make things faster that much. Even less if we decide to go webp (or JPEG-XL if it ever get browser support) at one point anyway.

Besides, since the wiki keeps an archive of each version on the server, it's only loading it's first time (and the rest is cached), not sure if even on icon-heavy pages like Items optimized ones make a huge difference on page loading time either.

The point is that while the compression is lossless, the benefit is having icons 1 to 1 to what's ingame, easier to compare, easier to upload, and mediawiki will detect duplicates.

I've also been thinking whether the compression would affects PZ itself, but I think the effect would be noticable only on very slow hard drives; maybe steam deck running PZ off a slow microsd card (since file sizes are smaler)? The file size difference would affect size on Steam, which would be handy for devices like 64 GB steam deck though.

I doubt I'll do it anytime soon, but technically it'd be possible to make a benchmark replacing .pack file (or loose icons) and comparing, would make a fun experiment 😄

[languid kayak]

they sure were busy 😄

(here's the no Thursdoid explanation)

[digital helm]

The tables are significantly worse for load times. Makes images negligible in comparison

[lucid junco]

Its barricaded behind planks

No one in tis can break them to get to it

[languid kayak]

the 2 1 person with a sledgehammer can

[digital helm]

Inventive does what the trait description says. Skill level to research requirement is -2, and auto learn recipes is -1

[slender wing]

ah okay. just couldn’t find it in the code and i’m not very familiar with the research action

ty

[digital helm]

Yeah, I'm not either yet tbh

mason and artisan don't seem to have anything special other than the extra skill levels

[languid kayak]

I don't think any of the new skills affect foraging either?

There were quite some changes to it too, https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Foraging while was updated for b41, may need some checkups for what it is now

[digital helm]

mason can find stones easier

The entire foraging system was reorganised in b42, so there's likely a lot of changes from b41

[languid kayak]

yeah, the mechanic was roughly the same, but the intricacies changed, and more polishing went in 42.4.0

btw @digital helm added exception to the blog posts, as I generally place them as they were https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Help%3AStyle_guide&action=historysubmit&type=revision&diff=879469&oldid=874011

[digital helm]

All good. I might make a larger size option too at some point, to make it fit nicer, less empty space. but idk

[quartz bear]

Am I late

I just woke up and omw to hospital

[lucid junco]

Did tis programming get you

[quartz bear]

I've been on sick leave for 1.5 weeks

It was the best holidays ever

1.5 weeks ago I didn't know what project zomboid was

[lucid junco]

"Where does Mad Dan's Den sign goes to?"
"The signs_one_off like other signs"
"Thats right, it goes into the advertising!"

So anyway

Its done for the most part

[quartz bear]

that shits not in java either

hmmm

[lucid junco]

So its not implemented?

[quartz bear]

perhaps I need to update my game

[lucid junco]

Oh

That may be a thing to consider

[quartz bear]

yeah makse snse

[lucid junco]

Some stuff keeps on adding

Like I went away for coffee and already had to update 5mb

[quartz bear]

yall didnt know but i installed tiny10 when it was ��� 01 2023

[lucid junco]

Every 30 minutes it keeps updating

And I dont know what is updating, it just says that update number is bigger

[quartz bear]

ah

looks like inventive reduces the amount of skill required for some recipes by 1

kinda fucked up code and i just came back home

ok that's not even the entire part

I have literally no clue what the fuck "auto learn" is

what I can tell you is that this piece of code here says that having the Inventive trait reduces the amount of skill level required to research a recipe by 2

[proud cobalt]

Autolearn is when you learn a recipe at a specific level

[quartz bear]

thank you

so it reduces all autolearn recipe target skill levels by 1

[lucid junco]

Just found out that Guns unlimited is echo and Amz steel isnt

And Mad dan's is also not Echo

[quartz bear]

wadahel is an echo

[lucid junco]

Echo Creek

[quartz bear]

oh i see

the red text saying "IRVIN6TON" put me off

[lucid junco]

There there*

[proud cobalt]

It's growing 😆

[proud cobalt]

Yeah i dont think it would even make a difference on steam deck sd card, considering its in a pack file

[flint vapor]

Subcategories for each versions ?

Are these just every pages based on the version at the top of the page ?

[proud cobalt]

Yes from the header, we spent all of last year getting it down from 100+ to just 41.78.16

[flint vapor]

[digital helm]

This stresses me out

[proud cobalt]

Bot updater updated. Now automatically updates Durability weapon, EvolvedRecipesForItem, and Body part templates.

[lucid junco]

@quartz bear If you have free time(and some hatred towards yourself since its worldgeneration related) you can help us by looking into how basements are generated

[languid kayak]

Maybe, might be a fun time to check, but not sure I'd come up with good enough measurment to even see that 😄

(plus if I'd have enough time to do this properly)

[languid kayak]

The version category is something that irks me still 🤔 I do add the missing ones for non-English, as they are requested, but I get a feeling we add and remove them. I think we had discussion with @digital helm about them back when Vibrance was there, and you weren't around? I wanted to rename "Version" to "Builds" too; maybe the whole tracking could be rethinked so we can add the number of pages to "update" to https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Site_maintenance so they'd be easier to see at glance?

[languid kayak]

you'd have to check depots for actual updates, changenumber is something else I think?

[lucid junco]

Changenumber is just an indicator that something had updated(I think)

[languid kayak]

auto learn would be when recipe is automatically added upon reaching certain level of skill

[languid kayak]

maybe internal versions? They are no longer publicly viewable

Though I think they are totally hiddenm,, as you don't know when something's even updated

[dreamy girder]

Hi PZWiki Team,

Thank you so much for adding me to the site — I really appreciate the support!
Here's the current page: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Mod_Manager_Standalone_(Modding_project)

I've recently rebranded from Mod Manager to Modix: Game Panel and made a ton of new updates to the panel. I was wondering how I could go about updating the page to reflect the latest changes?

Much love,
Modix ❤️

[flint vapor]

Hey np man !

You can rename the page

By having an account and doing "move" from the dropdown menu top right

[dreamy girder]

Perfect mate. I'll update it shortly was just looking at it and saying to myself dam that needs updated. Thanks again @flint vapor

[languid kayak]

yeah Doggy is your first POC when it comes to modding pages 😄 We're generally deep elsewhere, but if you need admin help, me, Vail, Calvy or Think are around

[flint vapor]

What does POC mean ?

[dreamy girder]

Point of contact probably

[flint vapor]

👌

[flint vapor]

Yeah basically. I'm leading the Project Modding for the wiki so if you need any informations about the modding section, don't hesitate

[hushed bobcat]

Ok, I moved the brochures for the correct page. Then, as another update, I unified the variant tables (with coordinates) and the gallery (images and page links). Before I proceed to do the same thing on Fliers, what do you guys think about it? (It's easy to revert it yet)
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Brochure

[serene sage]

with TURBO’s transcript and article looked over I’ve finished going through all the radio and TV stations

now it’s time to put in the effects of every single line in every single new channel in

hopefully I’ll be able to automate it entirely because it’ll take a trillion years to do it manually

[digital helm]

We didn't change to "Builds" because it was too specific. Version allows for not just "builds" but all versions. E.g. if we had a test branch again, it's not any "build", but it's still a version of the game. Also separates it from official stuff with wiki maintenance stuff. So you don't get people to start adding the page "Build 42.10.2" to the "Build 42" category.

I can look at tracking the number of pages. A couple of ideas come to mind

[digital helm]

Just keep in mind that table was automatically generated, so if it were to be updated, changes would be overwritten 😄 but I'd leave it for now. I had the same idea when doing it originally. Might be able to modify the script to include the images, if there's even any need to automatically update it

[digital helm]

Nice work! It's a lot of work to go over them

[serene sage]

afraid there's still going to be a lot more going over them in the future 😅

[serene sage]

ranch stories?!?!

[hushed bobcat]

Ok, did the same with the fliers page now. Yeah, I remember that is was automatically collecting it, but not sure when was the last run, since we were missing stuff already 😬 . It would be good to have the script updating it again, since I can see by the lua script that there will be more fliers coming (with is awesome)

In the meantime, I'll be probably manually updating those pages on every new release

[digital helm]

It was only a one-time run to generate the content, which was added manually. I hadn't set up my bot to actually update it on the wiki. I'll look at doing that once I'm done with what I'm currently working on

[quartz bear]

Remind me in some amount of time

I got schlo

[naive imp]

I'd say the bottom one

[lucid junco]

Is it called public services now?

https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Fire_department&diff=next&oldid=739085

[naive imp]

Tbh I just think it sounds better but if you wanna change it back go ahead

Not a big deal to me

In usa nobody says community services they say public services

But tbh it's just a nitpick

[lucid junco]

Thats maybe something to ping devs about, since community services is how they're marked in the game

[naive imp]

Then feel free to change it back of you'd like

[naive imp]

@thin cloud

[lucid junco]

While we are preferring to use USA English, Community services is how it is called on the map

(Along with services like churches, police station/departments and others)

[digital helm]

Current preference is to use the in-game names and terms first, even if it's a mistake, then use us spelling, terminology, etc.

[naive imp]

Ohh I got it backwards

It's late yall

I'll revert rq

Done

Thanks vail

And you too @lucid junco

[digital helm]

The game tries to use US spelling, etc. but sometimes misses things. If public services is the normal term, then Pat may want to use it

Style guide could be clarified. This point alone makes it seem like we use US all the time, even if the game uses something else. But we only use US as the preference because the game uses US

American English should be used when possible. While core The Indie Stone developers are from the UK and some old or internal item names can still be in British English, the game takes place in the US and American English was chosen the default language for the game and the wiki.

[quartz bear]

bro... what

why are there ores in project zomboid

[quartz bear]

what part are you interested in

it gets pretty technical pretty quick

[lucid junco]

No way we're getting pz Minecraft before gta 6

[quartz bear]

apparently the ores aren't documented on the wiki

but I have no idea what the hell is an ore in project zomboid to begin with

[naive imp]

It is referred to in menu splash text, pretty cool

[quartz bear]

like there's literally a world generator for ore veins

[naive imp]

I think it's just limited to iron at this point

Like to get it without having ti melt shit down that already exists

[lucid junco]

How are they generated and what are the chances if thats possible

[quartz bear]

"how are they generated" -> you have to be more specific

researching this code might take a while

looks like something related to basements might be in Lua

since I see they're binding a Lua API

I still have schlo technically but it looks like I might be able to stay home for a few more hours

okay so

from my initial overview

the basement spawn locations are hardcoded

looks like some spawn locations are meant to have codenamed "specific basements", while others I presume would have them fully randomized

[lucid junco]

So some basements are hardcoded to their house?

[quartz bear]

looks like it

that's not all though

I'll keep looking

basements have to match the spawn locations' direction, so you cannot have a north-facing basement in a south-facing spawn location, whatever that means (probably technicalities I mentioned unless you can make sense out of it)

then...

[naive imp]

Based on my experimental findings as well, I'd also say they're hard-coded to spawn in some locations

[quartz bear]

for every such spawn location, all possible basement options are added to a list and a random one is picked from the list to be placed at that location

[quartz bear]

I think he means like specialized basements

Kinda like table stories ig

[naive imp]

You can actually see them on b42map

[lucid junco]

There are some that are hardcoded into the building and some that are hardcoded into the special ones ig

[quartz bear]

strangely enough, I don't see any random chance for this, the list-pick is uniform and that's the only place where the RNG is used

so every basement spawn location is supposed to have a basement of its own?

no matter what

unless the basements somehow overlap

(and I don't really want to research the overlap detection mechanism)

[lucid junco]

There is that setting in the sandbox that should control the rng of a basement spawn

[quartz bear]

that's helpful to know

maybe I'm missing something again

ok nevermind the game didn't update

good

[flat sun]

i think that option has been observed to not do anything

it might just be that it was having less of an affect than expected though

[lucid junco]

They've definitely done something to basements in 42.4

Patchnotes say that basements arel less likely to be trashed

[flat sun]

no it probably does do literally nothing, my ide reports it as unused

[quartz bear]

are sandbox options in lua

[flat sun]

no

sometimes they are used there though

[quartz bear]

oh so you decompiled the entire src

[flat sun]

yeah

[quartz bear]

ic

then I'll trust you and not go check that myself

[quartz bear]

well now you want me to know about the interior of basements

what I was looking at was how they were distributed in general

[lucid junco]

😅

[quartz bear]

looks like they hardly differentiate between basements and buildings which is annoying to analyze

yeah the interior is some black magic brainrot

[lucid junco]

You can just give us a distribution and maybe we will compile some sort of a map

Im a bit oblivious to how different things about basements are interconnected and easy to find

[quartz bear]

I could parse the basement distribution data yeah

but not now probably

[slender wing]

how do i go about extracting item models? theyre stored as .txt files as far as i can tell and not pack files so im unsure

trying to update and fix all the skill books and the newer skills dont have any book models uploaded i dont think

also yippee!

[digital helm]

item models are stored as X and FBX files. They're in the models_X folder. You'll need 3D modelling software like blender. There's a bit of a guide here https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Help:Style_guide#Models file names are fairly strict, but in most cases this is just the WorldStaticModel value in the item scripts

[slender wing]

ahhh gotcha. i dont have blender but if i time ill give it an attempt

thank you!

[digital helm]

There's also a models_items.txt file which is where that WorldStaticModel value is used, which defines the mesh and texture

[lucid junco]

That wasnt a lie lol

There are now so many passive accessories and water containers that you can fill with water that high thirst is less of an issue

[flint vapor]

Bruh

[languid kayak]

and do we keep on adding and deleting the /xx versions as needed still, right? I remember we used to have a template for description back when Vibrance was active

[languid kayak]

would be stories with animals I bet?

[languid kayak]

if that's the way it's in US (and I assume it didn't change since 1993), then I'd say leave it like that (unless the game calls it otherwise)

Kind wish the game would have proper en-US and en-UK separation 😄

[languid kayak]

oh

[lucid junco]

(Its just community on the main map, but it was community servises)

[stiff root]

👋 hi there was wondering if there is a github repo or something similar that has "raw" files for the likes of all the tables on the wiki? I see in the pins that there is a CSV for IDs but thats it

[languid kayak]

Seems the community services is still popular in the web? Though maybe they refer to a different kind of "community services"? https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=community services,public services&hl=en

[proud cobalt]

https://github.com/Vaileasys/pz-wiki_parser

[languid kayak]

but ngram disagreed: https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=community+services%2Cpublic+services&year_start=1800&year_end=2022&corpus=en&smoothing=3

American English only https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=community+services%2Cpublic+services&year_start=1800&year_end=2022&corpus=en-US&smoothing=3&case_insensitive=false

and american case-insensitive https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=community+services%2Cpublic+services&year_start=1800&year_end=2022&corpus=en-US&smoothing=3&case_insensitive=true

[languid kayak]

ore deposits to allow playing on an empty map. But yeah, PZ minecraft all the way now 😄

I remember back when initial blacksmithing was implemented, they feared that, but I think now it's fine, just probably will get balanced, especially for mp

[languid kayak]

I think they addressed that in a blog, too

[quartz bear]

not the best addition to pz but alright

[languid kayak]

yeah, the new b42 creator go them figured to potentially add on map, but not sure if there's any eta. https://github.com/cff29546/pzmap2dzi

[languid kayak]

huh, I never though there'd be "always" option; may be great to test

[languid kayak]

if you think abou models, check the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Carina/Item_Image_Tutorial

[languid kayak]

Blender's free though

(and multiplaftorm :P)

[digital helm]

Yeah, if nothing is in the category, then it would be deleted. Not sure what you mean by the template for description 🤔 it's been a while

[digital helm]

A lot fewer devs back then too, so it probably would've only been surface level blacksmithing. Not the depth that it seems to be now

[languid kayak]

it was https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Version_category – now removed

Last revision:

btw to give even more things to do there's https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Version_41.65 which i brought back after brief talk about lua events and hooks with Doggy and Albion 😄

Basicall seems that there might have been indeed obsolete ones, but we can't clerly find what time they were removed to stick appropriate version to them so I kept the last version Co user their script at

Not sure how much we use https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Unknown_version nowadays, but if version is not given, pages will fall back to it

[quartz bear]

Ok but what does that mean for me

[dreamy girder]

Hi again @languid kayak, been so busy with my own site. I'm asking for permission to add your site logo and link to the page you guys have done for me to the official modix website? Tbh I just want to show off we've been added to you site 🙂

[languid kayak]

you mean wiki? Sure, that's should be no problem 🙂 The logo's available here: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Pzwlogo.png

[dreamy girder]

Exactly, legend 🙂

[languid kayak]

I mean the basement placement, as in someone already dig through the code 😄

[quartz bear]

yeah so what does that mean for me

that I don't need to do anything?

or what

[languid kayak]

nah, just pointing that someone did the legwork already, just in case you want to compare 😄

(but yeah, nothing public yet as far as I'm aware?)

[languid kayak]

I think a bunch of pages from https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Image_improvement_needed could be made https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Articles_requiring_item_models instead.

Also, is it fine that the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Articles_requiring_item_models lists non-English pages as well? @proud cobalt @digital helm

[proud cobalt]

It's not ideal, as i think i have a script to add models to language pages from English pages

[languid kayak]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Incorrect_template_usage – this is something that could be taken look at too

[proud cobalt]

This is just a translation param missing from a template, will try remember to look at it later

[languid kayak]

I've updated blog posts up to 2012, up to https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Tales_From_the_Metaverse to be precise. Next milestone would be April/May 2013 when the new website is added so I won't have to deal with the old website 😄

with that in mind though, I'm off to sleep 😴

[digital helm]

You can also find our copyright guidelines here https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Copyrights

[digital helm]

Pages added to Category:Articles_requiring_item_models is automated by the infobox.
Listing non-English pages should be fine, since if they're missing on non-English pages, they'll be missing on English too. So uploading the model image would remove it for all languages

So it's a little pointless to create a separate category for each language with this imo

[proud cobalt]

Thats a fair point

[digital helm]

Fixed them. These can be quite painful to find and fix, which is why this is important when updating templates #pzwiki_editing message

[lucid junco]

Yeah

At least its a separate folder

Haven't checked it out yet

[serene sage]

interesting

[languid kayak]

I'd be more interested in not counting them twice, rhough otoh maybe it's best to stay as it is

after all these pages do lack model, and if some internstional editor siscover them that way, so be jt. Also good knowing your one model fixed a couple of pages 😄

[digital helm]

It's also something that isn't necessarily language specific, since anyone can upload them

[proud cobalt]

Frist pass of items alost done. About 300 left. I have skipped a fair few too. Items that need more time put into updating

[digital helm]

Incredible work

[lucid junco]

@rotund echo New Cr######### mall in b42

From now on I will censor anything related to G##s U#######d

Such a run killer

2 1 month long runs dead because of how stupid it is

[quartz bear]

girls united

[rotund echo]

R.I.P.

[lucid junco]

How big is Crossroads population?

[rotund echo]

I don't know

In B41 afaik it was around 5k zombies (Normal, 1.0x)

[quartz bear]

I thought you're gonna be censoring it

[lucid junco]

G##s U######d has ~3k

[quartz bear]

you missed one hashtag

[languid kayak]

Unimited

[serene sage]

oh no I feel the urge to...

Crossroads Mall Crossroads Mall Crossroads Mall Crossroads Mall Crossroads Mall Crossroads Mall Crossroads Mall Crossroads Mall Guns Unlimited Guns Unlimited Guns Unlimited Guns Unlimited Guns Unlimited Guns Unlimited Guns Unlimited

[quartz bear]

ngl

I wanted to change my nickname to Guns Unlimited

but I can't 😔

[lucid junco]

[eternal raptor]

Would adding code snippets for fluids be appreciated at this time in development? I've done one for Animal Blood, wondering if I should continue

[languid kayak]

Crossroads Guns and Mall Unlimited

[digital helm]

It'd do no harm. Just note that the item code boxes are automated, which would eventually carry over to fluids.

[lucid junco]

🤔

Harder is a very blurry word in this context

[digital helm]

I agree #pzwiki_editing message

[lucid junco]

I dont get why its blurry for me

Its both on mozilla(zen) and chrome

[proud cobalt]

It's likely the layered images themselves

[lucid junco]

Is it?

Ive got that issue before and @languid kayak (or someone else) hadnt

[proud cobalt]

What's the coords? It seems like it hasn't loaded all the layers yet

[lucid junco]

https://b42map.com?8131x14914

https://b42map.com?465x9935

[proud cobalt]

New Mbox you might see on item pages, due to the template exclude size being too large. Until we have Lua this will probably be the way to avoid breaking pages completely
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Suppressed

[lucid junco]

Oh, that's a relief... Kinda

At least that not just a me issue 😅

[digital helm]

Cute. Shame it's not used https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:KeyRing_Spiffo_Model.png

[lucid junco]

I think there are multiple unused key models

[digital helm]

Maybe. That's the only unused one I found. The others should be added now https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Key_Ring#Variants

[lucid junco]

There are definitely more unused

Or very rare ones

Though basing it off first hand experience

So far I was able to find pine, hands, eagle and bass

[digital helm]

All of these should spawn https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Key_Ring#Variants except for the four leaf clover, which only spawns with the lucky trait, which can't be chosen. Most of them are really rare, or have special conditions, like the spiffo key ring which can spawn in the ignition of spiffo vans (edit: waiter zombies spawn near spiffo vans which have it)

Also seems to be dependent on trait and occupation, but I haven't looked into where these are actually used.

SpawnItems.TraitKeyRings = {
    AdrenalineJunkie = { "Base.KeyRing_EightBall", "Base.KeyRing_Panther", },
    Axeman = { "KeyRing_PineTree", },
    Brave = { "Base.KeyRing_Panther", },
    Brawler = { "Base.KeyRing_EightBall", "Base.KeyRing_Panther", },
    Burglar = { "Base.KeyRing_EightBall", "Base.KeyRing_Panther", },
    Cook = { "Base.KeyRing_HotDog", },
    Cook2 = { "Base.KeyRing_HotDog", },
    Desensitized = { "Base.KeyRing_Panther", },
    Dextrous = { "Base.KeyRing_Kitty", },
    Fishing = { "Base.KeyRing_Bass", },
    FormerScout = { "KeyRing_PineTree", },
    Gardener = { "Base.KeyRing_Bug", },
    Graceful = { "Base.KeyRing_Kitty", },
    HeartyAppitite = { "Base.KeyRing_HotDog", },
    FormerScout = { "KeyRing_PineTree", },
    Herbalist = { "KeyRing_PineTree", },
    Hiker = { "KeyRing_PineTree", },
    Hunter = { "KeyRing_PineTree", },
    IronGut = { "Base.KeyRing_HotDog", },
    Lucky = { "Base.KeyRing_Clover", "Base.KeyRing_RabbitFoot", },
    Mechanics = { "Base.KeyRing_EagleFlag", "Base.KeyRing_EightBall", "Base.KeyRing_Panther", "Base.KeyRing_Sexy", },
    Nightvision = { "Base.KeyRing_Kitty", },
    Outdoorsman = { "KeyRing_PineTree", },
    Smoker = { "Base.KeyRing_EightBall", "Base.KeyRing_Panther","Base.KeyRing_Sexy", },
    SpeedDemon = { "Base.KeyRing_EagleFlag", "Base.KeyRing_EightBall", "Base.KeyRing_Panther", "Base.KeyRing_Sexy", },
    ThickSkinned = { "Base.KeyRing_Panther", },
    Unlucky = { "Base.KeyRing_EightBall", },
    WeakStomach = { "Base.KeyRing_StinkyFace", },
    WildernessKnowledge = { "KeyRing_PineTree", },
}

-- note that a lot of professions would already have their key rings applied above via the traits that the profession gives
SpawnItems.ProfessionKeyRings = {
    burgerflipper = { "Base.KeyRing_Spiffoes", },
    carpenter = { "Base.KeyRing_EagleFlag", "Base.KeyRing_PineTree", },
    constructionworker = { "Base.KeyRing_EagleFlag",  },
    electrician = { "Base.KeyRing_EagleFlag",  },
    engineer = { "Base.KeyRing_EagleFlag",  },
    farmer = { "Base.KeyRing_EagleFlag",  },
    fireofficer = { "Base.KeyRing_EagleFlag",  },
    fisherman = { "Base.KeyRing_Bass", },
    mechanics = { "Base.KeyRing_EagleFlag", "Base.KeyRing_Panther",  },
    metalworker = { "Base.KeyRing_EagleFlag", "Base.KeyRing_Panther",  },
    nurse = { "Base.KeyRing_Kitty", "Base.KeyRing_RainbowStar",  },
    parkranger = { "Base.KeyRing_PineTree", },
    policeofficer = { "Base.KeyRing_EagleFlag",  },
    repairman = { "Base.KeyRing_EagleFlag", "Base.KeyRing_EightBall", "Base.KeyRing_Panther", "Base.KeyRing_Sexy",  },
    veteran = { "Base.KeyRing_EagleFlag",  },
}

I don't think the large key ring spawns either

[flint vapor]

That's so Jesus accurate

There's literally a halo around the church

[lucid junco]

So they should spawn depending on which profession player chose?

[digital helm]

I'm assuming so. But I haven't tested, or looked beyond that snippet

[lucid junco]

That looks too lopsided and a problem for when 42 goes mp

[lucid junco]

That was a bit of a stretch

[digital helm]

I think it'd be fine to me. They all function the same, except the large and rabbit foot. You have a few common ones (profession) then rarer ones (traits), making the really rare ones special.

[lucid junco]

Yeah, only four leaf and large cant spawn

But spiffo's should spawn

[digital helm]

I think that only looks at distributions. Looks like they can both spawn on zombies near vehicles

A large key ring can only spawn on a prison guard zombie near a prison variant of Franklin Valuline (6-seater). If the zombie spawns with a key ring, there is a 0.5% chance it will be a large key ring.
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Key_Ring_-_Large#Location

[lucid junco]

So all key rings can spawn

[digital helm]

Based on my findings

or in theory

[lucid junco]

Is it a code based theory?

[digital helm]

yeah

[lucid junco]

Now Im curious on which key ring is the rarest

[digital helm]

The large one, definitely. I don't think I've ever seen a prison van 😄 then the spawn chance on top of it

The check to spawn the key ring will only run if the check to spawn the key itself fails, so that adds to it

[lucid junco]

But you technically has infinite amount of tries, since zeds respawn in vanilla, right?

[digital helm]

It's only zombies that spawn along with the vehicle

so the vehicle stories

[lucid junco]

Yeah, then its definetly the rarest one

Echo Creek looks a bit.. different

[eternal raptor]

That's cool, in that case I will only do the code snippets for new fluids that don't have much information about them

[digital helm]

That's Ekron 🤔 wonder if that was going to be a spawn point instead

[digital helm]

Feel free to do them all if you really want 😄

[lucid junco]

Idk, but its a thumb for the Echo

[digital helm]

Yeah

[lucid junco]

Amount of churches just keeps growing

[digital helm]

Mr. A Mann

[lucid junco]

How do I translate this into buildings?

🤔

[languid kayak]

I had them too sadly

They just appear at certain zoom levels it seems

[languid kayak]

yet (we hope!)

[languid kayak]

I see Lucky and Unlucky are there, I wonder if they will return?

[digital helm]

I assume they will. There's a lot of distribution changes, so likely disabled until they get more feedback

[languid kayak]

DOB 12.61? December 1961?

[digital helm]

Or just 1261. Born in the middle ages 😆

[languid kayak]

They all correlate with the voice types too. And Dr. Cortman we have more info of

[digital helm]

Multiply worldX and worldY by 300, then add posX and posY to the corresponding results.
I'm assuming that's how it works since using that this points to https://b42map.com/?3392x10974

    constructionworker = {
      { worldX = 11, worldY = 36, posX = 92, posY = 174, posZ = 0 },

From ISSpawnPointsEditor.lua

function ISSpawnPointsEditor:normalizePoint(point)
    if point.worldX ~= nil then
        -- This is the old format with 300x300 cell coordinates.
        point.posX = point.worldX * 300 + point.posX
        point.posY = point.worldY * 300 + point.posY
        point.z = point.z or 0
        return point
    end
    point.z = point.z or 0
    return point
end

[digital helm]

@lucid junco this might save you some time

{
    "fireofficer": [
        "{{Coordinates|3462x10979}}",
        "{{Coordinates|3392x10974}}",
        "{{Coordinates|3425x10905}}",
        "{{Coordinates|3748x10997}}",
        "{{Coordinates|3571x11314}}"
    ],
    "parkranger": [
        "{{Coordinates|3529x10904}}",
        "{{Coordinates|3392x10974}}",
        "{{Coordinates|3425x10905}}",
        "{{Coordinates|3748x10997}}",
        "{{Coordinates|3571x11314}}"
    ],
    "securityguard": [
        "{{Coordinates|3392x10974}}",
        "{{Coordinates|3425x10905}}",
        "{{Coordinates|3748x10997}}",
        "{{Coordinates|3581x11136}}",
        "{{Coordinates|3571x11314}}"
    ],
    "unemployed": [
        "{{Coordinates|3477x10877}}",
        "{{Coordinates|3392x10974}}",
        "{{Coordinates|3425x10905}}",
        "{{Coordinates|3748x10997}}",
        "{{Coordinates|3571x11314}}"
    ],
    "policeofficer": [
        "{{Coordinates|3430x11006}}",
        "{{Coordinates|3392x10974}}",
        "{{Coordinates|3425x10905}}",
        "{{Coordinates|3748x10997}}",
        "{{Coordinates|3571x11314}}"
    ],
    "constructionworker": [
        "{{Coordinates|3392x10974}}",
        "{{Coordinates|3425x10905}}",
        "{{Coordinates|3751x10956}}",
        "{{Coordinates|3748x10997}}",
        "{{Coordinates|3571x11314}}"
    ]
}

[lucid junco]

Most of them overlap

Which is kinda convenient

[digital helm]

Yeah, they normally do

[digital helm]

Decided to just finish it 😄 Just images need to be added and professions normalised

[quartz bear]

Noooo not geography in my favorite project zomboid channel

[lucid junco]

Whats the capital city of Knox County

[quartz bear]

Kentucky

[lucid junco]

Wrong

[quartz bear]

nooooo dont flamethrower me

[lucid junco]

Albuquerque

[lucid junco]

I will send you to the Jerry's bait shop

[quartz bear]

oh damn i knew that for some reason

i think the reason being the name is very funny

[languid kayak]

huh, funny, I found another version of Jack Bloggs concept art, compare this: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Doctor_02.jpg to this https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Jack-Concept.jpg

source: https://media.indiedb.com/images/articles/1/120/119348/Doctor_02.jpg (thumbnail for https://www.indiedb.com/games/project-zomboid/news/the-continuing-adventures-of by Lemmy on IndieDB): https://www.indiedb.com/games/project-zomboid/articles/page/3#articlesbrowse

[quartz bear]

so many embeds

[languid kayak]

These two slightly differs too, though it's just shade https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Comics01.png https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:K%26B_Story.jpg

[languid kayak]

Huh, we got sitting animations teased 12 years ago already! https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2013/04/crawling-flesh-hungry-zombies/

[lucid junco]

Only 1 exclusive house for each profession listed

[lucid junco]

@languid kayak @naive imp Is this a trailer or mobile home?🤔

World map calls them trailers

Signs call them Mobile homes

Internet calls them mobile homes

[naive imp]

Both are technically correct

The terms are often used interchangeably

"Mobile Home" would be the more dictionary definition though, trailer is just kinda informal slang

But almost nobody in the US says mobile home we usually just call em trailers

They're distinct from travel trailers in that travel trailers are designed to be more mobile, are smaller, have wheels built in, etc. They look more like campers

Travel trailers look more like that

[lucid junco]

So what should we call them on wiki?

[naive imp]

Tbh I don't think it matters

I say trailers because that's what most people in the USA call them, and game kinda flip flops

Unless it's a named location like Scenic Grove Mobile Home Park, then of course use the in-game name

But if we're just referring to them I don't think it matters personally

[lucid junco]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Echo_Creek#Starting_locations

Should be done

[jolly crow]

Is there a difference?

[lucid junco]

Not really

It just that in some pages we use mobile homes

And in some trailers

And we had discussion about wording in the wiki

Like Hardware store vs tool store

Autoshop or Auto shop

[quartz bear]

Autoshop sounds like a cheat module

that's... my only association

[lunar igloo]

Mobile home

[jolly crow]

Hm. Should we clean up the wiki's language to stick to one term for this kind of stuff?

[languid kayak]

Ift hey are named, usw what's in game they are callwd. If not then no prwference I guess...

[proud cobalt]

They're in the junk section which was practically unused in 41. I'll have to look at adding it

[little sphinx]

Hello. I'd like to make a request. Can there be a topic about recipe scripts and primarily recipe flags/tags? It'd help alot with recipe modding to understand what a flag like IsEmpty does.

Similar to the ones for item scripts

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Item_(scripts)

[proud cobalt]

There is one, it just has not been updated yet
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Recipe_(scripts)

[little sphinx]

yeah i'm aware. it also doesnt contain flags

[proud cobalt]

Yes because it hasn't been updated yet

[little sphinx]

oh flags are B42 thing?

[proud cobalt]

The whole recipe system for b42 is completely new

[proud cobalt]

These have now all been updated

[naive imp]

Thanks bro you're awesome

Real shit I really appreciate your contributions lately. Very helpful. 😀

[quartz bear]

I wonder what happened there

[digital helm]

I'd go with mobile home to differentiate between an actual in-game trailer

[digital helm]

The whole modding side of the wiki was mostly abandoned until very recently. @flint vapor has been doing a lot of work on it, with help from the rest of the modding community, but it will still take time for things to be added/updated. If you know something that's missing, feel free to add it

[flint vapor]

You want B42 flags ?

There's a page

[little sphinx]

Really? Can you link it?

[flint vapor]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/CraftRecipe

[little sphinx]

I managed to get what I wanted but it’d be useful in the future

[flint vapor]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/CraftRecipe#flags

specifically for flags

[digital helm]

@lucid junco @naive imp here's all the spawn points. I've just copied the format of the table on the Muldraugh page. Note Rosewood was gutted and only has 2 spawn points for now

If you want, I could add the chance of spawning at each point for each profession.

[naive imp]

That would be very helpful. I'll get them uploaded tonight.

[lucid junco]

No kidding it was gutted, everything is in comment green

And why does it use normal sensible coords and not gibberish coords like Echo Creek

[flat sun]

is this a known issue with the recipe parser? it says 'Each of:' but you only actually need one item with one of these tags, seems to affect every similar recipe i can find

[digital helm]

@proud cobalt ^

[digital helm]

Weird that the new location uses the 'old' coord system while the others don't

[proud cobalt]

Yes it's a pain in the ass

[languid kayak]

me writing from mobile 😄

(when walking)

[languid kayak]

And yeah, unless it's explicitly called "trailer" or "trailer park" somewhere in the game (preferably not code), mobile home might be less confusing

[languid kayak]

maybe it's omission? Not sure it should be reported as a potential bug?

[digital helm]

Not a bug, it's just that it gets processed first

[languid kayak]

but shouldn't they all use uniform system for that? Be it old or new? I think having coords readable without going through converting them would make modifying them (modding) easier, too. And having them unified would skip having to keep two pieces to handle that in code (nothing meaningful, but would make a slightly clearer code in game) IMHO

btw, that's how initial skill systems was looking internally

initially there were Swinging and Recovery skills 😄

also Hauling, Hitting, Shoving

and they were not sorted alphabetically, too

screenshot from https://youtu.be/NpT9UJS4qDo?feature=shared&t=327 as the original link from https://web.archive.org/web/20130303181842/http://projectzomboid.com/blog/index.php/2013/02/a-nice-sit-down-with-a-crawling-flesh-hungry-zombie was not archived: https://web.archive.org/web/20130514235539/http://projectzomboid.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/skills-WIP.png

oh nvm, it was archived: https://web.archive.org/web/20130906235717/http://projectzomboid.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/skills-WIP.png

actually, these were present here too: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Pzskillpoint.jpg

seems it's from 0.2.0q https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Skill&oldid=8526

but yeah, the fitness and strength was just unified to one passive skill we know now 🙂

[digital helm]

I really don't know. Looks like there's more to be done with the spawnpoints for b42, so this could be the new way(?) but idk

[digital helm]

Remember when you couldn't shove and had to run around looking for a spoon so you could defend yourself?

[digital helm]

"Recovery" not far from muscle fatigue

[digital helm]

@naive imp @lucid junco there's a spawn points debug UI. You can double-click the coordinates to teleport there
In the lua command console in debug mode add these commands:

ISSpawnPointsEditor = ISSpawnPointsEditor:new()
ISSpawnPointsEditor:initialise()
ISSpawnPointsEditor:addToUIManager()

[languid kayak]

Luckily I don't 😄 Was probably the times when I didn't play the game proper yet

[digital helm]

Probably my earliest memory of PZ

These days we complain about not finding sledgehammers. How about not being able to find ANY weapon 😄

[languid kayak]

@digital helm it seems that center when the caption is on does not center the actual video? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/In_the_Guts_of_the_Sandbox

[languid kayak]

Well, the tables have turned now; I generally just stomp zombies to death in b42 early on 😄

[digital helm]

thanks. Should be an easy fix

Should be fixed now. Just had to move the max-width to the parent container instead of the video element

[tulip kiln]

I'ma start updating some of the occupation pages, I got a question though, can I change all the points values for em? Cause I feel like it can be super misleading how we say something like veteran is "-8 points" cause if I'm some player, that sounds to me like it costs only 8 points, when that's actually how much points you'll have left if you didn't select any traits.

Cause these point values seem like they'd just be constantly misleading new players into thinking veteran only costs em 8

when it's double that

[digital helm]

We could rename Points to Starting points

[tulip kiln]

I guess but I feel like it'd be better to just start using points instead. Because we don't use starting points for traits

It just feels inconsitent.

[digital helm]

But that's because traits don't contribute to the starting points. They cost points

You start with 0, your occupations determines your starting points

[tulip kiln]

Eh, I'd say you start with 8 since by default you're unemployed/custom.

Occupations all cost points except for the default.

[digital helm]

I'd worry it'd create more confusion if you change it to 8 + (occupation points). Since when you choose an occupation it tells you how many points you have

I think we need more opinions though. For now I'll change the infobox for points to starting points

[tulip kiln]

Oh I wouldn't change it to 8+, I'd just say veteran costs 16 points instead.

[digital helm]

That's what I meant 😅 woops

[tulip kiln]

Feel like that'd be less confusing for any new player imo, Cause they'd know you start with 8 with the default occupation, then this occupation costs 16.

[digital helm]

Sorry, but I disagree

Would you say Occupation starts with 0 points then?

Custom*

[tulip kiln]

Even whoever updated this wiki got confused too since they said the occupation costs 8 points, no negative number to it.

[tulip kiln]

Nah I'd just put - instead

Since it's the default.

[digital helm]

🤔

[tulip kiln]

Cause if we're doing a point cost thing

It'd make sense to have the default just be -

[digital helm]

But the points are the points to spend. Custom occupation is +8, Veteran is -8, etc.

That's how it's displayed in-game

[tulip kiln]

Well either that or a +8 would make sense to me.

[digital helm]

Adding + would be fine. It's there on the infobox

[tulip kiln]

I dunno, this is definitely something maybe some more people could discuss I guess

Either way I'm gonna add more info about the occupations to their pages anyway

Cause there is a few things we've left out. Like how the pages don't list the traits that are incompatible with some occupations.

Like veteran with it not being able to use any panic traits.

[digital helm]

I've renamed "Points" to "Starting points" for the infobox, to at least help for now, and be consistent with the occupation page

[tulip kiln]

ye cheers, either way that improves it

Also how do you add something to the infobox? I wanna try and add the "exclusive with" section to the occupation infobars so I can list what traits certain occupations cannot use.

[digital helm]

separate them with <br>
like this |exclusive=Fast Learner<br>YOUR_ITEM_HERE

actually no, I don't think that'll work

Add a number to the end of exclusive.
So:

|exclusive=Fast Learner
|exclusive2=YOUR_ITEM_HERE

It automatically adds the link, which is why what I said first won't work

[tulip kiln]

ye I dunno what i'm doing wrong, I tried that and nothing appears in the preview

[flint vapor]

Shouldn't there be a link to the various B42 patches in this page ?
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Build_42

[digital helm]

Oh, you're trying to do it for the occupation. The exclusive parameter doesn't exist for it. I'll add it now though. So save and it'll show up in a minute

[tulip kiln]

cheers

[digital helm]

There should. Just hadn't gotten around to it yet I guess 😅

Oh, there is. It's just collapsed

[flint vapor]

uuuh

Oooh

Oh god that's confusing

No way to make it not collapsed by default ?

[digital helm]

I have now

[flint vapor]

Like for Stable versions ?

Nice

[digital helm]

The parameter for stable is suppose to be empty so that beta isn't collapsed

Until stable is released ofc

[digital helm]

Added now, so you can use exclusive in the occupation infobox

[tulip kiln]

ye thanks, I'll update the page soon, Just trying to link all the veteran starting clothing options, since veteran gets a fuck ton more clothing options at start than it used to.

[tulip kiln]

Ok updated it, god damn they really give you so much clothing with vet now, maybe veteran should be the meta occupation for people who wanna make their character look fashionable right away.

[flint vapor]

lol

[languid kayak]

cost assumes it's negative. If it'd say costs -8 points, then it'd make no logical sense

[tulip kiln]

I just changed it to "Veteran sets starting points to -8" or something like that for now, still gotta work on the page more. But I'd say that's less confusing.

I don't mind if someone changes it back if people prefer it to how it was tho

My main thing rn is to just add more content to these occupations pages since a lot of em feel pretty barebones currently

[flint vapor]

Soooo the guide style for {{Video}} is extremely unclear because the usage described in the style guide https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Help:Style_guide#Videos is absolutely not how it is used elsewhere ? I was notably figuring out how to have the thumbnail, which isn't mentioned in the style guide. So I checked other thumbnails you linked and realized that the formating on the guide is not what is used

I used this thumbnail and page as a reference on how to add my own videos:
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:COMBAT_DEMO_ONLY_-_Project_Zomboid_Shotgun_Infinite_Ammo_Test_WIP_Dev_Demo_-_YouTube_video_thumbnail.jpg
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/First_Ever_In-Game_Footage!

Ended up with this:
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/JB_ASSUtils

I used the tool you mentioned to get the video thumbnail

[quartz bear]

+8 better

[digital helm]

The style guide is just focused on the style/position of the template, rather than how to use it. How to use it is on the template's doc page https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Video it's where the links in {{Videos}} links to

[flint vapor]

Aaaaaah ok that makes more sense

[digital helm]

I'll make it clearer though. That point with the example was for version. So I'll improve that

[flint vapor]

👌

That's fucking cool {{Key|CTRL}}+{{Key|SHIFT}}+{{Key|P}}, I hadn't noticed that change

Definitely will keep that in mind

So, unsatisfying, so, stressful 💀

Oh man

[languid kayak]

yeah, definitely 😄

btw, if we even get to add more developer pages, it seems the avatars/photos of people back from 2013 are all in https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://projectzomboid.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/* (not sure what they were used for)

oh wait, I think it was meet the team page sharp linked some time ago?

https://web.archive.org/web/20130506205250/http://projectzomboid.com/blog/about-us/

[languid kayak]

Okay, took me a while, but I finally finished scouring and added all missing posts and updated existing ones from 2011 website, up to the first one from 2013 website which is https://pzwiki.net/wiki/New_site!_Woo!

A lot of them were minor news that were present at all on the new website, and I added some uncategorized modding and community posts as Calvy's script didn't pick these, as well as stuff from IndieDB. Nothing was posted on Facebook till late 2013 so that saved me trouble looking there, but was quite a task nevertheless cycling through all that and finding missing images from any of these sources lol (some are still missing).

I will have to go back and add sources and categorize some images, maybe will add 2011 and 2013 web archive links too, now that I added them, to link originals, which I outlined in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Project_History#Blog_posts basically.

This also brought https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Autogenerated_articles_(blogs) down to exactly 500 pages now 😄 Although there's a total of 567 posts up to that, mostly as Calvy missed the Modding, Community and uncategorized ones (and like 1-2 of the newest ones). Pinging @lucid junco for that as a Project History milestone, too.

actually may be a little less than 567 as I think pages like https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2013/06/pz-support-and-faq/ or https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2013/06/project-zomboid-faq/ which won't be added

I'm starting to rename the blogs from now to the proper name (casing etc.) as Calvy bot used url as a base, which was often incorrect 🙂

564 without https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2013/09/terms-conditions/ so far

btw @proud cobalt it seems that the script didn't process these three pages, failing on embed youtube videos all the time 😄 Will be something I'd have to check later, but letting you know just in case:

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/The_biomic_man
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Mize_en_scene
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Cotd_18_bangers_keys_n_ducks

I'll rename and parse them eventually, but was figuring why there are some images in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:UnusedFiles from the batch you uploaded back then.

[languid kayak]

563 without https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2013/11/returning-to-pz/

wrong category on 2013 😄 Guess that's why it's community now on the new website too

funny how close they were named. Also seems that https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Bring_Out_Your_Zeds was first screenshot of animals back in 2014?

[languid kayak]

@digital helm it seems that the https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Template:Header should be updated to handle # in the name, see https://pzwiki.net/wiki/012 – it seems it treated # as a <li> it seems.

[proud cobalt]

It was likely the spam filter, it doesn't like the shortened YouTube link

[languid kayak]

maybe 🤔

[languid kayak]

562 without https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2017/02/buildstatus/ (which still has the "Initial public beta: TBC" for Build 42 :D)

[languid kayak]

561 without https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2018/05/privacy-policy/

[digital helm]

Monty Python reference, that's why they're similar

[tulip kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/alive-dead-im-not-dead-yet-gif-13642579

[digital helm]

I'll have to see what we can do here. Looks like it's turning it into a numbered list

[tulip kiln]

Oh yeah saw this on the veteran wiki page, anyone else disagree with this? I've never felt like veteran was a occupation suited for new players, especially cause of the point cost.

[flat sun]

i've definitely never felt that way

[digital helm]

I'd remove it. Definitely subjective

[tulip kiln]

yeah I'm just gonna rewrite the overviews for a lot of these pages, I'm just gonna avoid saying whether an occupation is good for new players or experienced etc.

Just gonna say what the occupation is geared towards. Like police officer for those wanting to use firearms a lot

[digital helm]

I think that's a good approach

[languid kayak]

yeah, though still funny that the same name was used twice 😄 That happened with another blog post too, just one letter difference

Anyway, I renamed all the blog posts to their correct names, last one is https://pzwiki.net/wiki/WhatZ_Next

[languid kayak]

Also interestingly https://projectzomboid.com/blog/upcoming-features-b42/ is not a blog post, so there's 561 posts total, so with 500 in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Autogenerated_articles_(blogs) it turns out there's 61 not added (two of the newest ones, plus the ones marked as uncategorized, modding or community (with the last two being plenty at one point thanks to Pat) I have not yet added.

So 500 pages to update and 61 to add 😄

I might update the script maybe to make this easier to automate more, so far I use this one only, contributed by @proud cobalt https://gist.github.com/Faalagorn/603e8a4666f3540b8eb92b05da275056

But for now, that'd be it, and I'm off to sleep 😴

[tulip kiln]

how do we feel about this instead?

[digital helm]

That's good 👍

[digital helm]

Fixed it. I was in the middle of writing "I have no idea how to fix this" until I thought of something 😄 It's a bit silly that this happens at all, and I still don't understand why. # is only supposed to create a numbered list if it's on a new line, but there's already a non-breaking space before it... The solution was to add a zero width space before # ... something to do with the several layers of parsing mediawiki does is my guess

[quartz bear]

zwsp to the rescue

[digital helm]

I've further clarified Videos in the style guide https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Help:Style_guide#Videos
And expanded the exceptions. Originally I only had main content articles in mind when writing this, so there's an exception to modding

Guides (e.g., a modding guide), may include videos within the text where they are directly relevant to the explanation.
News posts should retain videos in the same location as they appeared in the original source, ensuring accurate preservation.
@languid kayak @flint vapor

[lucid junco]

Congrats on that 🎉

Sorry that my(project history leader) contributions were mainly towards non project history tasks😅

[languid kayak]

But you still get to write the summary:D

[lucid junco]

Yeah, I still get to be in a cool kids club 😎

[languid kayak]

The credits club 💯

[lucid junco]

Scratch ticket makes a scratch ticket

[proud cobalt]

Yep

[lucid junco]

Idk, maybe we should show scratched scratch ticket

and its variations

So like
Scratch ticket -> Scratch ticket Loser; Scratch ticket 5$ Scratch ticket 50$ ect

@quartz bear Hey, can you look at how looting corpses affects anxiety?

[proud cobalt]

Recipe parser currently doesnt handle OnCreate methods. The output is just Base.ScratchTicket

    {
        timedAction = Making,
        Time = 50,
        OnCreate = Recipe.OnCreate.ScratchTicket,
        OnTest = Recipe.OnTest.ScratchTicket,
        /* CanWalk = true, */
        Tags = InHandCraft;RightClickOnly,
        inputs
        {
            item 1 [Base.ScratchTicket],
        }
        outputs
        {
            item 1 Base.ScratchTicket,
        }
    }```

Rather than put the work into parsing oncreate for 1 recipe, its probably just better to remove the recipe from the page and write it in usage

[lucid junco]

Well, at least we should put scratched ticket texture in the infobox

[proud cobalt]

I think it's a different item not just an icon
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Scratch_Ticket_-_Loser
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Scratch_Ticket_-_Winner

[lucid junco]

Oh, so any amount of money is a winner and others are just loser

[proud cobalt]

I havnt looked into it, am currently in bed. But I would assume the on create just runs some code that decides if it wins or loses and swaps out the item

[quartz bear]

Can I get a timely reminder

I just woke up

[lucid junco]

So uh, the clear traits description lists one of the downsides of cowardly as "Increased stress and unhappiness when stripping items from corpses"

And wiki doesnt

so Id like to know ins and outs to add info about it on wiki

Is it true, does it actually get affected by traits, when does it count as stripping items from corpses, do human corpses count(in decreasing order of importance)

[quartz bear]

I would be inclined to believe the mod but ok

stress and unhappiness from stripping corpses is affected by cowardly(200%) and brave(50%)

hemophobic gives stress based on how bloody the corpse is

desensitized prevents you from getting any kind of stress or unhappiness from that action

the way it's determined is if the container you are looting has the codename of inventorymale or inventoryfemale

so yes, human corpses count

grapple effectiveness also true

[lucid junco]

You can never be sure

[quartz bear]

the code responsible for this is in Lua anyway

so it doesn't take a lot to figure that out

grapple effectiveness is in Java though

[lucid junco]

Thank you anyway

All I have to do is to upload this info to wiki

Tomorrow

[quartz bear]

@languid kayak hello please enjoy your time in projcet zombobid

[languid kayak]

I actually played, but a few days ago 😄 This time I was torn between doing wiki chores vs actually playing, so in the end I just went to check one thing 😄

https://projectzomboid.com/blog/content/uploads/2013/05/PictureForWillAfterIRealizedHeSentMeATemplateAndImAnIdiot.jpg funny file name

[serene sage]

impossible, wiki editors never play the actual game

first unspoken rule of the wiki

[tulip kiln]

Not sure if anyone else agrees but should we make a seperate category in the navbox for removed traits/occupations? I feel as if it'd look neater that way rather than just having a bunch of removed traits and occupations next to ones that are in the game.

[languid kayak]

It was for a research*

[languid kayak]

mightbe bea good idea, and throw any future ones there, as well

[tulip kiln]

ya, also not sure how to edit the navbox but the Angler link in the occupations tab is broken because someone spelt it wrong. It says Angler (ocupation} instead.

[quartz bear]

sadly it's almost true

I very rarely play pz

never solo as well

[digital helm]

Fixed the ocupation

[digital helm]

I agree. I'm not really a fan of the "Removed' and "Future" tags in navboxes for that reason

[digital helm]

@languid kayak finally decided on an icon for the "body part". I've gone with the shield icon to show that it's related to protection. Now I'm thinking the column positions might need to change.

Also been looking into how condition works https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Vaileasys/sandbox_4 unfortunately it's not straightforward because we have condition similar to weapons, then condition for holes and tailoring. Most use one or the other, but some use both 😮‍💨

[quartz bear]

Icons when words walk into the room:

[flint vapor]

Same for modding lol

[languid kayak]

neat! I assume we're sticking to the bllack versions for protection or would we like to switch them all to white like the speed one?

I think I experimented with the white one on the neck protection, but it looked bad IIRC, though OTOH my drawing skills are close to nil 😄

[languid kayak]

to edit the navbox you basically just edit https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Navbox_stats – sometimes non-English pages need adjusting, but sometimes they are outdated anyway

[languid kayak]

I think I was the one moving them back to avoid too many sections in items, but that may not be relevant anymore, now that we will have to split navboxes anyway

[digital helm]

I think it might be helpful having the body part/protection black and the body location white. But for whether it's white or black, I don't think it matters. Some icons have a dark outline, some have light

[languid kayak]

as the in-game icons?

[digital helm]

Made sense with items tbh. But I think we ended up removing them altogether in items iirc

[digital helm]

yeah. That's what the icons are inspired by

[languid kayak]

What's the latter icon btw?

[digital helm]

killing an animal

[languid kayak]

/AnimalActions_Kill.png

yeah 😄

[digital helm]

These are the animal actions

[languid kayak]

Since b42 I didn't even extracted the icons so far :D. I barely played, like Alluseri probably will more once mp hits, at that time I'd love to organize some wiki editor plays

[digital helm]

That'd be good

[proud cobalt]

42.5.0 updater going

[lucid junco]

Ahh.. what a nice nap.. what did I miss

Wdym 42.5 is dropping

Thats nice

@proud cobalt B42 interactive Map needs updating though

[lucid junco]

Where in lua is it?

[tulip kiln]

WP gun shop renamed btw

[languid kayak]

I wanted to ask who's that, but that explained it; really nice thing! The modding discord had it as an announcement

[tulip kiln]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/136501320340209664/1348999057405906986/20D7A61.JPG?ex=67d180c6&is=67d02f46&hm=7ee7dcea3a12e50dd8a95317ef6a41ec85c716139d5d4fe2c153bebcfc006db2&

Pic someone in pzchat took of the new reworked store

[lucid junco]

(Though the map is not updated fully)

[tulip kiln]

YOOO

THE NEW FLIERS

[lucid junco]

Thats.. sloppy

And the bathroom lacks light switch

[digital helm]

Looks familiar 😄 https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:CrossroadsMallMap.png

Nice to have a map of it

[tulip kiln]

not just that, nice to actually know wtf half the stores are

[digital helm]

what are the coords?

[lucid junco]

West point gunshop(called Stendo's Firearms Emporium now)

You know the place

[digital helm]

ah

[lucid junco]

Already writing a bug report

sas

[tulip kiln]

when I checked the building as well, those interior doors could be opened through the shutters somehow.

[lucid junco]

Yep

Seeing it now

[languid kayak]

@proud cobalt for that I guess 😄

[lucid junco]

I mean the in game map

[languid kayak]

is it debug?

[lucid junco]

Yeah, it shows all of the tiles with invisible texture

So there is meant to be something, but it isnt visible

[languid kayak]

that too. And I think it's the first Crossroads logo used? Is it the same as the one created by @digital helm

[digital helm]

Pretty much

[lucid junco]

It isnt a secret bunker?

[tulip kiln]

who fuckin snitched

lmao ok the bunker is probably a shit place to base if you don't wanna have basically the same lung capacity as a middle-aged coal miner in the 1800s.

[lucid junco]

Snitched on what

[tulip kiln]

someone snitched about the secret bunker clearly

[lucid junco]

Smoker nerf

[lucid junco]

Reported them all, got an emote from Yana

https://tenor.com/view/ronaldo-win-ronaldo-award-ronaldo-gif-24123234

[digital helm]

that's a big nerf

Finally some more clothes for this body location @languid kayak 😄

[proud cobalt]

Adding these pages shortly too 😄

[digital helm]

Oh good. I'm not used to seeing red

[proud cobalt]

2025 wiki problems

So much garbage bag clothing 😆

[lucid junco]

@quartz bear Can we get a tis code checked on that

[tulip kiln]

perfect for me since most of my characters are dumpster divers.

[proud cobalt]

Silver and gold coins added too

Ok i think i got all the new pages, i'm off to bed, updater working away

Some new tags too

[languid kayak]

oh, nice!

Though I think body locations has changed?

[lucid junco]

Dumpsters can be the best plase to find loot

Almost anything spawns there

Though most items have something like 4.435080348E-8%

[languid kayak]

😄

but yeah, garbages are the best for loot nowadays

[lucid junco]

It still lacks a business

The convinience store is not mentioned

Even devs forgot about it lmao

[tulip kiln]

Maybe the guy who designed the brochure had a grudge against the convenience shop owner and this was their way of telling that owner to go fuck themself

Shopping centres and their drama smh

[lucid junco]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Cardinal_Plaza Updated

[lucid junco]

@naive imp @languid kayak @digital helm Now that we have names for many unnamed stores inside of plazas/ malls, should each have their own separate page?🤔

Previous excuse for not creating them was lack of a name so there was no point for creating them

@thin cloud Flier uses outdated pic (No vents, other garbage on the top of the roofs and the middle buidling is missing)

• it isnt the top floor

The insides of the booth near the helipad is visible

It should look more like this

[lucid junco]

Weirdly enough it looks like a picture from the wiki...

[lucid junco]

@naive imp Is storeys common in US?

I thought it was a typo until looked it up

[naive imp]

No, we spell it "stories"

English devs at it again

[naive imp]

If the name is just from a flyer I'd be hesitant, but if there's a sign there at the location yeah we should make a page

[lucid junco]

@thin cloud Then

[naive imp]

Yeah, story and floor can be used interchangeably but we usually say story

Unless it's a specific floor

I.e.

16-story building

OR

"It's on the 4th floor"

[lucid junco]

Wait wha

What is this flier

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Bunker_Flier.png

@hushed bobcat

Where did you get this picture 7 days ago 🤔

[hushed bobcat]

Its from the last update, there is a flier folder

[lucid junco]

There isnt

This is in the fliers folder now

[hushed bobcat]

Aaaa, new version then

There are more? I can dig on those later to see if there are more changes

[lucid junco]

Sure sure, you are definitely not a secret second account of a tis dev that gets info early

Why are there fliers in me brochure section

[hushed bobcat]

They come from the same folder. I discovered just later (after upload) that there was a difference between the two. Sorry

[lucid junco]

Np

We should just move them one day

@languid kayak I now think that there is a reason that the Fort was not deleted 🤔

[quartz bear]

ISCraftAction.lua, ISCraftAction:update()

[quartz bear]

uh

I'll check it out later

I just woek up

[lucid junco]

Don't forget to update

[quartz bear]

i know

wtf is jaques

[lucid junco]

The beaver

[quartz bear]

i dont like him

im inclined to believe he's the agent of the devil

[languid kayak]

I kinda wish money would be split to coins + money; it's like that in Cataclysm: DDA

[languid kayak]

I don't mind

[languid kayak]

wiki pages are paving the way to the game lore 👀

[languid kayak]

Bloody spiffin brits at it again!

[naive imp]

RUINING OUR MURICAN MEASUREMENTS

MUH FREEDOM

MUST USE OUTDATED GARBAGE

[languid kayak]

Civil war fort would be sensible, yeah

[languid kayak]

[languid kayak]

not measuring stuff in barleycorns? smh

[digital helm]

I don't mind either way. I'd at least use its name instead of a generic name

[digital helm]

My exact reaction when I see storey spelt story

[proud cobalt]

Rock the full fit

[tulip kiln]

lmao a fucking garbage bag tank top

[proud cobalt]

They come in tarp too

[tulip kiln]

this feels like the perfect update for those wanting to make their character look like a deranged serial killer

[tulip kiln]

God this new flyer really makes me want rare race-car variants of the sports cars.

[digital helm]

Nice that tarps are getting more uses, even if it is just for clothing

[hushed bobcat]

Neil's Farm and Neil's Pond were renamed (south of Echo Creek)

[tulip kiln]

the commune aye?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aOHQ-sMCps

My god this took more time for me to do than I thought it would. Decided to re-arrange the businesses list for the crossroads mall to match the brochure's list purely because it was pissing me off

oh for fuck sake, I forgot the grand ohio mall existed, gotta do that shit too

[hushed bobcat]

btw, have you upload all the new fliers and brochures already? Or just the crossroads one?

[tulip kiln]

sharp uploaded those, I think they already did em

not sure

[lucid junco]

I think I did upload most of them

Irvington, Crossroads, Pond view, Ohio mall, library...

[hushed bobcat]

yeah, those are the new ones

Busy week but I'll try to update the Flier and Brochure (+ the Street Names) pages on Friday 🤞

And don't worry, I'll make sure I put the brochures on the brochures page this time 😛

[pure osprey]

That’s sick, man!

[digital helm]

So it's "Commune" and "Wadsworth Lake" now then? You can add {{Move}} to the page btw, to propose renaming a page, like that. https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Move

[languid kayak]

The onl issu I see with this is I find plenty of garbage bags but almost no duct tape lol

[languid kayak]

yeah 😢

[proud cobalt]

It is quite expensive on tape

[digital helm]

Oh true. I could be wrong, but I think that's only 2 units of tape

[proud cobalt]

Yes that's correct. I would like to implement the unit bar like in the old Crafting template

[digital helm]

That'd be helpful

[digital helm]

For anyone interested, these are the new items and item property changes in 42.5.0

[tulip kiln]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Knox_Country Right so I'm gonna re-organize the Knox Country page quite a bit, add some new locations etc. Should I put the towns/areas into categories for what county they're in? This pic is an example on how I'd go about it

Cause we know guaranteed now that ingame Knox Country isn't one county, it's a collection of counties. Since you've got the Meade County police cars, the Bulletin County police cruisers etc

[digital helm]

There's been some discussion about this, but I don't think we ever landed on anything (probably because no one got around to doing something?). You can take a look at around here if you want #pzwiki_editing message

I really like your approach though. Knox Country > County > Region

[tulip kiln]

Yeah it was either gonna be that or I'd make a category called "Urban centers" or something and then a "Rural" category

But I think the county one might be better

Either way, I reorganized the page earlier. Cause a lot of the page felt pretty out of order. You'd have the section about the Exclusion Zone border on a separate part of the page from LV. So I grouped em together.

cause if there's a location that's basically right next to a town, then it should be a subcategory of that town.

[languid kayak]

has the sanatorium been fixed?

[digital helm]

Oh... just realised we're talking Knox Country page. It was Louisville we were discussing before 😅
This might help with the counties #pzwiki_editing message

[tulip kiln]

Cool map., but Pat said this, which seems to imply that Hardin and Bullitt are non-existent, Bulletin County exists in their place, merging them together

But Meade County does exist in it tho

and likely Jefferson County due to Jefferson Forest?

[digital helm]

This seems fine. There was some discussion about whether the Exclusion Zone border was in Louisville or south of it, but it was kinda inconclusive #pzwiki_editing message

[tulip kiln]

ok cool I'll try and organize em in county categories now. I also just made a future locations category and threw Fort Knox in there.

[digital helm]

Jefferson is also mentioned in the game code, for a vehicle table, which I assume is for what vehicles spawn where

ProfessionVehicles.CarLightsPolice = {
    Jefferson = { "Base.CarLightsKST", "Base.CarLightsLouisvilleCounty", },
    Louisville = { "Base.CarLightsKST", "Base.CarLightsLouisvilleCounty", "Base.ModernCarLightsCityLouisvillePD", },
    Muldraugh = { "Base.CarLightsKST", "Base.ModernCarLightsMeadeSheriff", "Base.CarLightsMuldraughPolice", },
    Rosewood = { "Base.CarLightsKST", "Base.ModernCarLightsMeadeSheriff", },
    WestPoint= { "Base.CarLightsKST", "Base.ModernCarLightsWestPoint", },
    ValleyStation = { "Base.CarLightsBulletinSheriff", "Base.CarLightsKST", },
    General = { "Base.CarLightsKST", "Base.ModernCarLightsMeadeSheriff", },
    Alternate = { "Base.CarLightsKST", "Base.ModernCarLightsMeadeSheriff", },
    LAA = { "Base.PickUpTruckLightsAirportSecurity","Base.CarLightsKST", "Base.CarLightsLouisvilleCounty", },
}```

[tulip kiln]

Fucking lmao, gonna be a nightmare to figure out what category to put Fort Knox when that's out

[tulip kiln]

Right, how do we feel about this?

[digital helm]

Looks good

[tulip kiln]

lmao jesus

Meade fucking dominates the list

I'll probably add more to the other unique locations/regions to the county categories later. Like Jefferson Forest, Sunderland Hills Sanitorium

I'm sort of conflicted now actually

Should we even have Scenic Grove and Bright Valley on that page? They're like right next to their respective towns that we could just link em there instead. Cause it feels like they clog the page a bit

[lucid junco]

Im more against it than not

They are just a collection of trailers/mobile homes with almost nothing of value within them

They arent towns or villages

[tulip kiln]

I was considering adding Sunderland hills to the page but now I'm against it, I think the page should just be Towns and regions like Doe Valley or Jefferson Forrest etc

[lucid junco]

How about adding in a big lake or how its called

[tulip kiln]

Ya that's also what I meant by regions

[lucid junco]

But then is airport a region or not

Its larger than some towns I think

[tulip kiln]

Nah I wouldn't consider it one since it's the Louisville International Airport

So that would just fly under the Louisville section

[thin cloud]

If a county isn't mentioned it doesn't exist

[tulip kiln]

Damn ok Jefferson County is dead, we still got meade and bulletin tho

I'll remove Jefferson after this comp game

[thin cloud]

It will probably end up being Knox County, the circle completes

[tulip kiln]

Is grouping the rest of em in counties still a good idea though?

Makes the page look a bit neater imo

[thin cloud]

Perhaps not. Towns are way more important. Counties are just flavour.

[tulip kiln]

Well I got a backup plan for that, 2 separate categories. Urban centers and Rural areas

alright did it

still not keen on keeping scenic grove and bright valley but I'll wait a bit see if anyone wants to keep it

[digital helm]

You have Dixie Mobile Park twice. But yeah, I think these days they're more of a location than a region

[tulip kiln]

GAH

[digital helm]

Might be worth just having counties as a field in the infobox, instead of county being a parent 'category'

[tulip kiln]

ok culled the dixie twin

we good

[tulip kiln]

O hang on, Jefferson County does exist, Vail found it in the vehicle code

Either way for now lets just keep the knox country page categorized like this maybe.

The counties idea can still work though. We can make pages for em

like how we got a page for the doe valley region

[digital helm]

I couldn't find if that is actually used anywhere though. Also it's just a key for a table which overlaps with Louisville, so 🤷

[tulip kiln]

Yeah a bit flimsy, we can just leave Jefferson out for now anyway unless we can get something in game

Either way it'd be cool to have these county pages because rather than just saying some cool rural location is in the middle of nowhere, near a gas station etc, you can say that location is in Meade County or Bulletin etc

It'd narrow it down sort of

[digital helm]

Yeah, it's still definitely a fun lore thing

[naive imp]

@lucid junco we finally know what the west point gun store u
Is called

Also I guess the maker of VFE died or something? That sucks. One of my favorite mods

[lucid junco]

I mean, we did already

[naive imp]

It was supposed to be from the gun range ad but I thought we were divided on whether that was the actual name?

[lucid junco]

And we dont, since there is no sign yet

[lucid junco]

So now we have an add for shop that doesnt exist

twice

[naive imp]

Peak unstable

[lucid junco]

@thin cloud Ig
Since West Point Gun store is now called Stendo's Firearms Emporium, the radio advert should be changed

And this advert overall is, by name, referencing location that does not exist in the game, since the West Point Gun store(now Stendo's Firearms Emporium) is just a gun store with no range or hunting supplies

There are three Gun Ranges, one in Louisville(Valley station), one in Irvington(Irvington Gun Club) and one in Echo Creek(Guns Unlimited), which is nowhere near West Point plus only one of them can be called "Hunting Center"

Id like to note that the game has some issues with calling regular gun stores "Hunting Supplies"

A.A Ron Hunting Supply is just a regular gun store with nothing to do with hunting, apart from selling guns and ammo ig

Though by that logic any gun store is a hunting supply

[lucid junco]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Ekron_Community_College
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i hate the interior section

[lucid junco]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Ekron_Fire_Department
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[proud cobalt]

@lucid junco peep the #patchnotes

[lucid junco]

Who could it reference

We can only wonder

[lucid junco]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Barrel_o'_Gun

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https://pzwiki.net/wiki/E-Z_Go_Banking
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[lucid junco]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Circuital_Healing_Computer_Repair
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Bookman's_Holiday
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[lucid junco]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Home_Sweet_Gnome
Page gnomed

[lucid junco]

KPR (and blue&white bar overall) is a reference to QPR football club

(Queens Park Rangers)

[lucid junco]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Blue_%26_White_Bar
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I think thats it for Ekron

Oh wait

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Train_station_(Ekron)
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