pzwiki_editing

[flint vapor]

Now it's not a thing at all

[languid kayak]

Yeah, now it's just Item and then the name gets changed to Empty Item or Liquid (Item)

I've been trying to sort https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:DoubleRedirects but the last three got me confused

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Empty_Pop_Can and https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Pop_Can redirect to https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Pop_Can_(disambiguation) now

oh wait, I think it's just links are wrong on disambig, should be pointing to https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Pop_Can_(diet_cola) https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Cola and https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Diet_Cola

I kinda wonder why they were named Cola/Diet Cola and Ginger Ale, should probably bet Pop, Diet Pop and Fizz @thin cloud it's intentional? Models and icons still say Pop, Diet Pop and Fizz on them.

[digital helm]

Yeah looks like I messed that up. Copy paste'll do that 😄

[languid kayak]

@digital helm shouldn't https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Beer_Bottle_(beer) and https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Beer_Bottle be merged?

Same with https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Beer_Can_(beer) and https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Beer_Can ?

[digital helm]

One beer bottle has beer in it and needs to be opened. The other is an empty beer bottle, which can be filled. I think this one has 2 separate items for full and empty because of the opening mechanic

[digital helm]

they're different items

[languid kayak]

yeah, I'm confused now 😄

and indeed, one is 1000 ml

the other one is 300 ml

1 liter beer bottle sounds like a mistake tbh lol

[digital helm]

This one is "empty" which is a normal fluid container https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Beer_Bottle
This one spawns with beer, and needs to be opened https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Beer_Bottle_(beer)

They have different recipes and spawns

[digital helm]

yeah, sounds like it. Should be the same I imagine

[digital helm]

This all confused me too because they used to be different names. But the "Empty Beer Bottle" got changed to "Beer Bottle" in the last update.

[languid kayak]

empty bottle needs an opener :D?

[digital helm]

Mistake?

[languid kayak]

seems so

and yeah, seems to tbe the same with beer cans. The existence of empty and full contianers in build 41 makes things complicated I guess.

Okay, I just changed the redirect to whatever they were redirecting, hopefully they are correct :D. With that in mind https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:DoubleRedirects is back to being empty

[digital helm]

Ooo, looks like they add "Empty" to the start of the name now when it's empty. Instead of just using the display name

[languid kayak]

huh, that's interesting

[languid kayak]

yup

[digital helm]

😆 ItemName_Base.Bitters = "Bitters (Placeholder)",

[languid kayak]

yeah 😛

I'm working on https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Future_features now so finding these 😛 Though I'll finish it later

Is it used in some template? 133 links https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/File:Bullhorn.png&limit=500

[digital helm]

These tag templates. So it's getting used in the new crafting template
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Tag_HasMetal
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Tag_MiscElectronic
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Tag_SmeltableIronSmall

[ornate tapir]

Looks great. Did you take the info from game code?

[digital helm]

Yeah. It's part of this project https://github.com/Vaileasys/pz-wiki_parser
Anything from these lua files I can add in any format, so let me know if there'd be any value in generating something for the annotated map pages. Other than what's in the tables, it's also zombie count, barricades, whether it only spawns on zombies, days that it will spawn, loot tables, even the text and icon on each map.

BrandenburgStashDesc.lua
EkronStashDesc.lua
IrvingtonStashDesc.lua
LouisvilleStashDesc.lua
MarchRidgeStashDesc.lua
MulStashDesc.lua
RiversideStashDesc.lua
RosewoodStashDesc.lua
WorldStashDesc.lua
WpStashDesc.lua

I'd like to eventually get the items for each loot table. But distributions are a little broken for these types of containers currently

[ornate tapir]

And here i was, checking each map in game lol.
Thx for the link. I'll look at it

[digital helm]

Yeah, decided to look into this since you can no longer teleport directly to the location

[serene sage]

vail going ahead and parsing everything

in 2030 the entire wiki is automated, wiki editors complain about having nothing to do

pretty cool though, now we can write about the maps that crash the game

[quartz bear]

And who are we gonna delegate writing summaries to, LLMs?

[serene sage]

yes

[quartz bear]

Dystopian as hell bro

[serene sage]

nah, it's the future

maybe we can earn crypto with our PZ characters too

[quartz bear]

Dystopian future at that

[quartz bear]

Ah yes

The Indie NFT

[serene sage]

I'm buying the Rosewood fire station

[quartz bear]

The Indie Stone.eth

[serene sage]

and renting it out

easy money

[quartz bear]

I hope you'll never achieve this goal due to its impossibility

[serene sage]

I hope you are wrong

NFT scams- I mean projects are the future!

[lucid junco]

We cant let it happen

Im gonna loose my wiki editor job

[tulip kiln]

You idiots, why are you not investing in $SpiffoCoin?

It's gonna be the next bitcoin

[rotund echo]

Bro, I'm sorry

ChatGPT will replace us all

[lucid junco]

Im gonna lose my salary

[rotund echo]

What kind of a job none other than "pzwiki.net editor" gives us a 0 dollars salary 😭

[languid kayak]

PZ money https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Money

[serene sage]

too late

[languid kayak]

should be

gas station
car wash
👀

[serene sage]

it is from the same thing that says there is a blade accuracy and blade maintenance skill in the game

safe to say it's not replacing anyone just yet

[languid kayak]

@digital helm @proud cobalt is this something to ultimately change in script? I think the section was autogenerated, right? https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Handiknife&type=revision&diff=811289&oldid=807193

[languid kayak]

First tip is not really true
Second is indeed plain wrong
And third is so generic that could apply to anything 😄

[serene sage]

I sure wonder what an AI-generated beginners guide would look like

first tip also implies that we shouldn't use the fire axe as a weapon

[languid kayak]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Tortilla_Chips – I think this one should use this icon now? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:CornChips.png

[serene sage]

this is quite wrong

[languid kayak]

😄

[serene sage]

also a common beginner mistake is to aim directly on the zombies - here it is encouraged

though it could mean stomping on the head - like most AI stuff it is super generic

safe to say the wiki's survival guide remains human-written

[languid kayak]

There's two actually

Updated https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Tortilla_Chips

The old torilla chips would go to the new page

(icon and model that is)

[languid kayak]

@proud cobalt shouldn't https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/WoodWork be carpentry instead? (it's XP given in recipes)

[languid kayak]

@proud cobalt @digital helm I noticed that all the new tags were generated as if they'd be 41.78.16 (which is incorrect, as some of these tags were not present in that version), something to correct in the script I guess? See https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=NoMaintenanceXp_(tag)&oldid=810203

[languid kayak]

Okay, I cleaned up images in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Future_features – surprisingly there's still a lot of unused icons from B41 or before I though will get added but for some reason didn't.

as in used for actual items that is

I think these are used but don't have pages generated yet, right? @proud cobalt
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Pipe_PopCan.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Fireaxe_Head_Forged.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Fireaxe_Handle.png

[languid kayak]

If anyone will want to take a look at all the animal icons we have, probably when working on animals page: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Faalagorn/Animal_icons

These icons are special, these don't appear in debug/admin item spawn, and aren't picked by item list script

not all have icons though 😄

[languid kayak]

Made one for item masks too: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Faalagorn/Item_masks

[languid kayak]

huh, seems that as of B42, there's only one Ben's Cabin @naive imp https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Ben's_Cabin

The other two don't have the sign

I'm also still not sure what exactly location was this cabin so I couldn't categorize it

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Bens_cabin_cabin_ingame.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:BensCabin_Interior.png

Though the whole screenshot can be remade in b42 anyway

[languid kayak]

@digital helm was the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/T-shirt_-_Music_(indie) autogenerated?

I tried to nail down whether the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:TShirt_Music_TieDye_1.png spawns by browsing the names. I realized that TShirt_Indie_1 has it

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
<clothingDecal>
    <texture>shirtdecals/TShirt_Music_TieDye_1</texture>
    <x>102</x>
    <y>118</y>
    <width>52</width>
    <height>52</height>
</clothingDecal>

Then I figured it must be a copypasta for Indie t-shirts to have hip-hop decals confirmed by clothingDecals.xml

    <group>
        <name>TShirtIndie</name>
        <decal>TShirt_RockDECAL</decal>
        <decal>TShirt_Indie_1</decal>
        <decal>TShirt_Indie_2</decal>
        <decal>TShirt_Indie_3</decal>
    </group>

However, it seems that the indie t-shirt indeed spawn hip-hop decals?

here's my revert btw: https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=T-shirt_-_Music_(indie)&type=revision&diff=811971&oldid=811969 but it seems something wrong in the game

[languid kayak]

@flint vapor I created https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Navbox_Java_objects now so hopefully navigating through them will be easier and no more red wanted template at the bottom of pages 🙂

[naive imp]

Odd indeed

[languid kayak]

Well, makes sense, there was supposed to be just one

[naive imp]

Can remove the other non-labeled cabins from the page then

[flint vapor]

Perfect !

[proud cobalt]

Not as simple fix as it seems, will have to take a look at it

[proud cobalt]

CRITICAL tasks like breaking doors

[digital helm]

Must've forgotten to change the version in the config. Nothing wrong with the script, just user error 😄

[proud cobalt]

It's an issue when translating the string, it has different casing

[proud cobalt]

Still lots to come

[proud cobalt]

Looks like the first is an unused variant
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Can_Pipe

Second and third dont have matching items yet

The only can pipe icon used currently is Pipe_BeerCan

[digital helm]

I'd say that it'd be West Point, the one with the flier "Cabin for Rent (West Point)" https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Flier#Titles
https://b42map.com/?10194x6764

[digital helm]

Unfortunately now the case in a lot of places 😩

[proud cobalt]

Just had to add a special case for it because of inconsistencies. I originally tried .lower().capitalize() but that broke MetalWelding because of course it did

[digital helm]

I think the game now lowers both strings when it checks. Something I could add to the translator

[digital helm]

btw, .capitalize() will lower everything except the first character

[digital helm]

I did it all manually. I suspect that was copypasta on the dev's end.

[languid kayak]

Then I can't read the files myself 😄 I though it'd spawn an indie shirts. Also the Music_TieDye_1 is indeed the one that won't spawn?

[proud cobalt]

You know, in the back of my head i knew that

But something was telling me it just capitalizes the first letter

[digital helm]

You need to jump between files. First get the ClothingItem from the txt script (conveniently in the infobox now) and find the xml file with that name in clothing\clothingItems\. Then in there you'll see the tag <m_DecalGroup>. This value points to a decal group in clothing\clothingDecals.xml. Then the list of decals point to more xml files in clothing\clothingDecals\. These files just define the texture, dimensions and coordinates on the model

1. Base.Tshirt_Indie has a ClothingItem value of Tshirt_Indie
2. Tshirt_Indie.xml has a m_DecalGroup value of TShirtHipHop
3. TShirtHipHop has a value of:

    <group>
        <name>TShirtHipHop</name>
        <decal>TShirt_HipHop_1</decal>
        <decal>TShirt_HipHop_2</decal>
        <decal>TShirt_HipHop_3</decal>
    </group>

So the problem is the Tshirt_Indie.xml is defining the wrong decal group.

[digital helm]

Also looks like the wrong texture is defined in TShirt_TieDye_1.xml it defines TShirt_Metal_1 which is already in TShirt_Metal_1.xml. Otherwise it should be used in Base.Tshirt_Rock

All of this is why I automated the model names... sorry, that's a bit of a mess 😅

[languid kayak]

I'll take a deeper look tomorrow or so, if time permits. Anyway, off to sleep now, almost 3 AM

I added a new infobox and changed format of blog posts btw, see https://pzwiki.net/wiki/2012:_The_Year_of_the_Zombie

I also added two news older than the ones on website, will probably continue working on them, going back adding what's not on the main page first 🙂

[digital helm]

At least it's the weekend! Definitely need to have the files open and follow along to make sense of it 😄

[languid kayak]

btw @digital helm how hard would it be to change the name in navigation to DISPLAYTITLE instead of page name? And would it use up extra resources/node count/slow down the page if done so?

The # is missing in the navigation, but it's not a big deal

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/A_Day_In_The_Life_of_a_PZ_NPC_1

[digital helm]

After digging it looks like TShirt_Music_TieDye_1.png isn't the unused one. TShirt_Indie_1.png is the unused one. Because it's misdefined in its xml file

[digital helm]

I think it already does 🤔 at least it should. I'll take a look

ah, it only does if it's a language code subpage {{#if:{{lcs}}|{{#getdisplaytitle: {{FULLPAGENAME}} }}|{{PAGENAME}}}}. Unsure if there was a reason for that

[digital helm]

Fixed it. There was a reason

[digital helm]

I've added a theme parameter to https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:HistoryTable which can be set to blue. Default is red.
https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Modding&type=revision&diff=812113&oldid=809943
@flint vapor FYI

[languid kayak]

Yeah, I found something similar to this one too. Probably worth reporting as it seems to be a mistake

[digital helm]

Yeah, I reported

This one got fixed already. blues/country used to have all the music decals https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=T-shirt_-_Music_(blues%2Fcountry)&type=revision&diff=812109&oldid=808995

[digital helm]

WIP container list https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Vaileasys/sandbox_3
Table heading still needs some work, along with sections and filtering out unnecessary columns

[languid kayak]

seems neat! Another autogenerated list to cross out then 😄

These pages always needed the most love

[thin cloud]

Don't know

[digital helm]

They're hard to keep updated too, if doing manually. The stats can change each update, which is a pain to try to keep up to date, same with infoboxes. Which was the reason I wanted to do them in the first place

[languid kayak]

Sound like a mistake on someone renaming them, then I guess?

[languid kayak]

Yeah, infoboxes, lists and navboxes, these three were always PITA

[digital helm]

Navboxes is a big one. Will get to that eventually. These lists are more important though imo

[languid kayak]

Navboxes are kinda easier technically, except that's a lot of items for them to be wieldy lol

at least that's how I think of them 😄

But yeah, navboxes are what I use to navigate, so I always have them in the back of my mind, but would be a waste of time to add stuff to them manually at that point

[digital helm]

Yeah, should be a lot easier. It's just the reorganising and removing duplicates. We need to finish sorting out the new pages first. Still a lot of items that have the same page name. E.g. things like these Ammunition Boxes https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Vaileasys/sandbox_3#Containers

[languid kayak]

https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Nutrition&curid=9943&diff=812011&oldid=810747

I wasn't even aware of the equation class, looks beautiful 😻

[digital helm]

Yeah, equation class has been there for a while now 😄 https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Nutrition&type=revision&diff=434331&oldid=429521

[languid kayak]

yeah, just realized 😄

[digital helm]

That oldid jump though... Doubled since July last year...

[languid kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/now-you-know-the-more-you-know-no-kidding-no-shit-obviously-gif-1342210079425559607

Seems basic, but does it's job I guess looking good 😄 https://pzwiki.net/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.css#L-442

Is that the built-in for Citizen or borrowed from Wikipedia? As I think the latter is what looks familiar

Speaking of weight, I saw Maris bumping it to b42, but out of curiosutym has the formulas changed since? I didn't deep dive into it, especially past b42 (I know more-or-less how weight worked in b41, but still not that deeply)

as in b41 and below, as I think it hasn't changed since

this edit to be precise: https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Nutrition&diff=prev&oldid=810627

(the comment od it)

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:PLeasant_Motel.png is anyone else also seeing the glitches in a miniature?

Full size image is fine: https://pzwiki.net/w/images/e/e9/PLeasant_Motel.png

[serene sage]

first two letters are capitalized

“PLeasant Motel”

[languid kayak]

I usually leave it to ThinkDock to iron out eventually 😄

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Parcel_Medium_Ration_Model.png – I wonder if the texture on the side is reversed in-game as well? If so, sounds like an error

[proud cobalt]

Hence the tile lists... Though Faal did a great job on keeping them up to date to about 41.60?

Whenever Louisville was added

[proud cobalt]

I'm trying to ignore navboxes

Maybe we could use the item Id dictionary to help? @digital helm not urgent to start that though

Oh yeah as you said, lists are far more important. Some of the most viewed pages

[digital helm]

Louisville was a new beast for tiles and locations. Surprised with the amount of work everyone has done with locations, been a lot of work

[digital helm]

Exactly what I had in mind 😄

I'd probably approach it similar to lists, just without all the stats and item IDs. Then just remove any duplicates before writing

[thin cloud]

I think it's more like Pop is the brand name, but it is a cola

[proud cobalt]

Kinda like this

[proud cobalt]

Oh yeah i remember Faals sandbox with them all, unfortunately so much to do especially back then it had to go on back burner

[digital helm]

Nah, this was before citizen. I don't think I got it from anywhere, but I don't remember tbh

[digital helm]

I saw those edits. Based on the edits I'd assume they know what they're doing. Not in the mood to dig back into those files any time soon 😄
I'd assume it's up-to-date because I'm sure my calculations were right (went over them more than enough) the thresholds for fats was also definitely 1200 & 1700 in b41. I remember seeing a lot of complaints about how easy it was to lose weight. So it makes sense that gaining weight got easier

[digital helm]

But we usually leave it to you to iron out eventually

[languid kayak]

was a while since I last was there 😄

seems yours anyway https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Common.css&diff=434329&oldid=413767

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:WineBox_Model.png was those popular in 1990s Kentucky? I think they started only being popular in the last 10 or so years here

seems so? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franzia

Can't check right now but is https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:ChocolateHeartbox_Open_Model.png a part of https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Box_of_Chocolates ?

[digital helm]

Goon? Been around for a long time down here 😄 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Box_wine

[proud cobalt]

Yep very popular in australia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goon_of_Fortune

[naive imp]

Tell me about it bro

Come a long way

[flint vapor]

That's great thank you !

[flint vapor]

How could I make it so the preview of the wiki page can be shown on the Discord integration
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Newrandom

Is it possible ?

[digital helm]

No way currently, unfortunately. It doesn't contain meta tags. It'd need work on the back-end to install an extension like this one https://m.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Description2

[flint vapor]

👌

Currently on the modding Discord we have a bot which we can link pages with and it formats them in an easy reading style

[digital helm]

The bot seems to parse the wiki page directly with each request which has a set of rules to determine the description for the embed, similar to how that extension does. So not something you could do without a discord bot or changes on the backend, as far as I know.
I like how it even includes the links.
The bot is probably better than any extension would be tbh, since it's made specifically for discord. Whereas the extension needs to be more generic with the info it gets

[languid kayak]

my first deep dive to the wiki 👀

[rotund echo]

I'm starting to wonder if the office buildings in Louisville are more like mixed-used buildings instead

The skyscrapers

God damn, this one has an atrium filled with retailers, its like the 6th - 8th layers are a little shopping mall

Is that a hidden Zippee Market and Hit Vids?

Fire-damaged skyscraper, layer 6

[serene sage]

I found a restaurant in one of em too

[proud cobalt]

Louisville if it was a well designed walkable city

[serene sage]

there’s a steel bar in the pillar where 99.9% of players won’t ever see

[rotund echo]

Yes, I've seen the girders

I wonder how many zombies each skyscraper contains inside

From my experience in Build 41 Topcrown Plaza, it's an absolute shitton

[rotund echo]

Topcrown and the fire-damaged skyscraper I found whole ass apartment units

They did not look like hotel rooms, they were full-blown residential units

It's definitely a Zippee Market, but we can't clearly tell if it's a Hit Vids or not. No logo or anything, but judging by its color scheme, and the fact that Hit Vids is the only VHS rental chain in the game, it's pretty safe to say it's a Hit Vids

[proud cobalt]

Version bumping to 42.2

[digital helm]

Thankfully only 1 item was renamed 😄 Bandages - Adhesive -> Bandage - Adhesive

[languid kayak]

you should be able to check the room definitions

I just realized:

Please note while our primary attention is on supporting the Unstable build, and responding to community feedback within patches to these early versions of 42, we won't be doing a Thursdoid.

So yeah folks, all that's left for you is my monthly summary 😄

[languid kayak]

oh, just realized you did it lol

pinging @naive imp for the locations inside the skyscrapers too

from the #patchnotes

• Added new Music Fest flyer.
• Fixed some typos and errors in existing flyers.
  who was uploading the flyers mostly? Gotta recheck them all, I'll do it when hope if I will find some time, but might take a while

[digital helm]

The only real monthly summary

[flint vapor]

;-;

[lucid junco]

I was

And lethal citizen

[proud cobalt]

Oh no!

[hushed bobcat]

I don't expect street names to be "fixed", but I'll recheck them later. One can hope 🙈

[languid kayak]

Though of pinging you both but didn't want to strust my memory; seems it's not that bad yet 😄

[languid kayak]

on flyers that is? I suppose they will be revamped en masse at a later date, though if Pat says he uses the wiki for that, then I guess it's a just matter of time 😄

[zealous nova]

In scenarios where it is necessary to resolve a doubt, suggest something related to the wiki itself, and we have pages mentioning "use the discussion page for these purposes". Should I, in the context of translating the pages, redirect to the English version or does it even make sense to offer the translated version discussion page option?

[zealous nova]

Another question, should the "Project" pages be translated or would it just be redundancy of information but translated xD

"Translation Project" was merged and subversions translated erased

[heady scroll]

It seems that Foraging Indeed Decreased By 95% When Super Stressed (At Breaking Point)

Proven By Both During Code Scavenging And Personal Experience... (Fear of blood and not washing cloth; barely find anything in forest)

[pure osprey]

Scam

[naive imp]

<@&671452400221159444> spam

[naive imp]

If we don't have a sign usually we don't count it

Even this way with other stuff too

Like thunder gas used to be defined by t-shirt spawns but we changed our minds

[languid kayak]

@proud cobalt if you want to do some backups there's also drzomboid account on Twitter X

So yeah, I must have seen this one and confused the two 😄

That's where serves were moved too

Wiki was available under https://pzwiki.zombies.bluefirestorm.net/ host for a short while too

[digital helm]

I'd not redirect it. Discussion pages are typically for discussing that particular page, so redirecting it could create some confusion

[zealous nova]

the page would be the same, but in a different language

[digital helm]

Projects definitely shouldn't be translated. Subpages of the English projects should probably be their own projects in that language. I.e. they don't need to be a direct translation for that project

[zealous nova]

well being the main language in english and all the updated content in english, all the others subpages mainly replicate the same information

[digital helm]

That's the case for the reader facing content, which should be a 1:1 translation of the English page. Projects are different though, as they are for the editors to organise projects to get the wiki updated. So a project to update an English portion of the wiki is going to be at different stages with different tasks compared to another language.

Translations are mostly handled by the translation project, however this is more so because it's a centralised place to get started with translating. Each language would have its own tasks that need to be completed. So if there was a large-scale effort to update a certain language, it may be more beneficial to set up a new project for that language. It can then be organised the way that's appropriate for the current state of that language.

[zealous nova]

Sure

[proud cobalt]

Regarding room definitions and item spawns. I should get to it the next few days. How do we feel about 26 subpages... One for each letter.

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Room_definitions_and_item_spawns

Would need a navbar type navigation system. And makes it much harder to search. Maybe the main page could have a list of room definitions too?

I liked being able to search an item and seeing where it spawned though

Item list takes long enough to load though...

[digital helm]

I can't think of any good work around for that... splitting to pages feels like the only option now 😩

[digital helm]

Might be a bit too many for the main page 🤔 Should definitely link to the room def page though

[proud cobalt]

The issue is with actual page length now. It would likely be possible to cut off the table at the byte limit, and just have two pages. But that sucks for load times literally a 3mb page. Otherwise we can think about reformatting the page itself

[digital helm]

I think reformatting.

For the room def page I imagined something like this:

{{Main|room_def}}
*[container_list]

==room_def==
{{Main|room_def}}
*[container_list]```

So we're cutting out the items. But still list them on the individual pages

[proud cobalt]

Then each container is it's own page with what items can spawn in it?

[digital helm]

We could do that. We need a better place for the distro tables to link to. But I was meaning list them on the room def pages that {{Main}} would link to

[proud cobalt]

Ahh I get you

[zealous nova]

How exactly are game objects structured in wiki?
on the main page we have items and furnitures
so we have objects called furnitures but
on objects pages the objects are also called tiles and moveable tiles which is the same definition as gived in furniture page but mentioned as moveable object.

[proud cobalt]

A tile is kind of anything on the map itself. So an item is not a tile, but dirt is, walls are, etc.

Furniture is any tile that is movable. All furniture are tiles, not all tiles are furniture. However we don't cover non movable tiles, with very few exceptions. They are mostly called thumpables. Thumpables are tiles that can't be moved, but can be destroyed with a Sledgehammer. Afaik. @languid kayak introduced me to the concept of thumpables.

Not sure what you mean by objects. Hope that explains it though.

We are still in the process of renaming everything to furniture over tiles, where it makes sense to do. So

[zealous nova]

i mean by objects, literally the in-game objects.
anything that is a unique thing that can be add to the game to make something or simply exist

which is by your definition a tile except items

so we have:

- items
- tiles
  - moveable tiles
    - furnitures
  - non moveable tiles
    - structures (walls, doors, windows?...) [thumpables?]
    - ground/floor tiles
      - any floor material (brik, rug, wood,...)
      - vegetation tiles

Right? @proud cobalt

[proud cobalt]

I'm not really sure what you're trying to figure out. If you mean wiki categories you can find them here.

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Tiles

I'm not sure where that world object is from, I've never heard anything be called an object in PZ before

[zealous nova]

is in the main page xD

[proud cobalt]

Lol I've literally never seen that before. Or heard anyone call it a world object 😄

Tile naming is pretty arbitrary. We moved to furniture because it's simpler and there's not really any movables that aren't furniture.

Thunpables is a technical term we don't really use on the wiki. It's a catch all for any non movable tile. But we simply say tile.

There's no official tile categorisation, so we have to make it up

[digital helm]

Thumpables can be moveables btw. Thumpable comes from the class "IsoThumpable" which is a tile that a zombie can "thump". Most moveables will be "IsoObject" but once you pick them up and place them again they'll become IsoThumpable

It's a little confusing, because World Object would normally refer to a tile. But not sure what else to call that section 😄

[zealous nova]

Most moveables will be "IsoObject" but once you pick them up and place them again they'll become IsoThumpable

Questionable game design decision xD

[digital helm]

It's so you don't get zombies destroying every piece of furniture just from wandering around. But if you pick something up, to say block a doorway, it doesn't become indestructable

[zealous nova]

Doesn't something have to happen that motivates the zombie to do that?

[digital helm]

I don't know tbh. That's just my understanding of why that'd be a thing

[zealous nova]

i would say something like in-game objects no?

[proud cobalt]

Learn something new every day lol. There goes my understanding of thumpables

[zealous nova]

then you can have items and world objectsmeaning tiles just like you said

[digital helm]

Tile would be the best broad term for 'tiles'. World object would have that confusion, as we've seen.

[digital helm]

If it were to change, I think just Objects would be better

[digital helm]

Play around in debug with F2. You'll see the class of each tile. All tiles are IsoObject, but you have classes that extend it, such as IsoThumpable and IsoTree.

[zealous nova]

The skills page has the description for:

• passive
• agility
• combat
• firearm
• crafting
• survivalist

but the main page only displays the crafting ones, is this intentional?

[languid kayak]

I tried adjusting that in the past, but might fell out of date since you took the project 😄

Speaking of which, I suppose you could find another poor soul volunteer to take the project lead / help with the project, as you probably are busy with other tasks too (not that I find someone interested in SYF really)

[languid kayak]

I suppose it's for balancing, else zombies would destroy every tile in game. Making it thumbable prevents some of the easy exploits of barricading entrances

(what vail said, yeah :P)

[zealous nova]

.

[languid kayak]

Can go ahead and change (would require adjusting other languages; I'd have to get back to main page adding b42 links at one point too)

[languid kayak]

you'd have to test with debug tbf

as I don't know either 😄

[languid kayak]

I think it should be adjusted, yeah. That was pre-splitting

[zealous nova]

i tried something like this, but i dont know if is something usefull to see xD

Maybe just leave the main subcategories🤔
Passive
Agility
Combat
Firearm
Crafting
Survivalist

[languid kayak]

speaking of skills, why is my window different from https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:B42Skills.png ?

[zealous nova]

Butchering a new one 🤔 xD

[languid kayak]

true, but the other new skills are there?

[serene sage]

I think everyone's skill panel looks like that, must have been a last minute change

not a fan of how small the squares are now but whatever

[languid kayak]

I'd love the passives to be back on top tbf too

[flint vapor]

It should but I noticed during my modding sessions that zombies would constantly attack doors for no reasons

[proud cobalt]

Not really finished, but this is what i have for now. Not really enough navigation for me to be happy with, but at least all the pages are created and up to date.

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Room_definitions_and_item_spawns

[digital helm]

Oh that's what you meant by each letter. That works.
Not sure what's happening here though

Warning: Everything below has been programmatically generated - any changes made will be lost on the next update!
shouldn't need this anymore either. Since we have the Autogenerated mbox

[zealous nova]

Is it necessary to import each crafting category page directly into the crafting page? The fact is that in the current format it takes a considerable amount of time which affects the user experience.

[ornate tapir]

jeah, its pretty cluttered. i'd say a short description of the category and a link to the page is enough

[digital helm]

No, that needs to be reworked. Never been a fan of transcluding them all into one page. It won't even be possible now, due to MediaWiki's limitations.
Same story with the item page

[zealous nova]

what do u mean by "wont even be possible now"?

[ornate tapir]

btw, is there a reason why we dont have the language bar on https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Help:Contents and related pages?

[digital helm]

For this reason #pzwiki_editing message there's way too many recipes to transclude them all onto one page. It gets to the point of hitting the limit of transclusions, so no more will be displayed

[digital helm]

No, just missed. It gets added automatically with the header template

Added it now. Thank you

[tulip kiln]

Lmao god, poor Muldraugh. The wiki and the PZ subreddit are the first results when you search it

Imagine living there and going on holiday, hearing somebody mention Muldraugh, getting hyped that you may have run into someone from your small town, but instead it's just some guy talking about some random zombie game you never heard of

[dry robin]

.. I er.
I went to search because I know that Google can be funny about personalisation of your search results so I had family members also search and it's the same for every single one.

Oh dear.. Google what happened to you xD

[tulip kiln]

Try getting em to search "Hotel Muldraugh" cause one of the first results for me is literally the pzwiki page for Sunstar Motel

[dry robin]

8th down the list

Jesus

[flint vapor]

lol

[ornate tapir]

pzwiki is top, lmao

this is great

[proud cobalt]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[hushed bobcat]

On https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2022/09/broadened-horizonz/
It was mentioned that:

"The location currently commonly known as Ekron within the community is not supposed to be our version of that place, and (for reasons that will become explicit when viewed on the PZ map) is internally known as Fallas Lake. We will erect a sign in Build 42 to make this information more prominent."

Did anyone spotted such sign? (I'm assuming something new, since the lake shape exists even before 42)

[flint vapor]

@languid kayak Uuuuuuh

Can I please get some explanation lol

More specifically these ones tbf, bcs I think I get why the others are a thing, but the ones are missleading for new modders 😅

[proud cobalt]

The room definitions had to he split, because it was too large for one page.

The rough guides are archived blogs

[flint vapor]

That's not the problem

The problem is it's in freaking modding lmao

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Modding

[proud cobalt]

Room def has always been in modding, they're modding pages.

[flint vapor]

Oh

Yes you are right indeed

[proud cobalt]

It has just gone from 1 page to 27 pages

[digital helm]

Maybe they can go in a room def subcategory?

[flint vapor]

The rough guide I guessed it was archive, but either that goes elsewhere or it needs to have a big ass red text at the top saying this is not for the most recent versions of the game or this is going to confuse a lot of people

[proud cobalt]

Tbf it is dated 2011, but a note could be added

[flint vapor]

Don't you guys have an archive project of some sort ?

Bcs really this is not clear that this is an old guide

Find the information this is an old guide

The information in question, below an old image, which means it could just refer to the image date no ?

I was myself very confused the other day when I noticed these pages

Nvm I remembered something about Project archive

Aaaa Project History

[proud cobalt]

Yeah but the modding category is for everything related to modding, not just project modding. The infobox is for the page, not the image

[digital helm]

Looks like they were meant to go here https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Modding_(news) @languid kayak

[flint vapor]

Surely this wouldn't hurt the process of providing reliable modding resources to new modders right ?

[digital helm]

Think I'll go ahead and move them. Looks like a mistkae

[flint vapor]

Feels accurate lmao

[languid kayak]

This definitely, are these to be edited by hand or a script needs to be adjusted for these?

[languid kayak]

That'd be me 😄 These are old blog posts from the website I'm archiving part of the project history, I have a few ancient onces from lemmy's and binky's blog and will go through them, maybbe adjusting some categories if it's confusing.

Naming is as it was on the website.

[digital helm]

@proud cobalt generated them with a script. So I assume a case of just replacing them? #pzwiki_editing message

[languid kayak]

yeah 😄

[proud cobalt]

Generated with script, copied onto the wiki by an editor. I've also pushed it to the parser

[languid kayak]

Some categories will have to be adjusted though, the "Gameplay" one is a catch-all category for some blog posts that was repurposed from an old unused one

[digital helm]

New bags/container page finished https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Container
Still unsure about the table heading, specifically the icons. Because everything is about the weight/encumbrance it's hard to find an icon that doesn't conflict.
Also unsure if we should have organized and disorganized for the weight when full (equipped) or the capacity.

I've moved these pages
Bags -> Container
Containers -> Container (tile)

There's still a lot of pages that link to Containers. These were mostly from the location table, so I'm waiting for the cache to finish updating before changing these links https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Containers&limit=500
Will also need to go through and update these at some point too https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Bags&limit=500

[lusty mantle]

Oh my god! StinkyTiger, that takes me back! I’m just going to be the old man in a rocking chair of this channel

[grand cliff]

Yes

[vital cairn]

My man you're a bit late

[languid kayak]

I was actually going to mention that, I only found about that adding these blogs, I saw she's listed in the Minecraft Wiki though? Seems it was all before nasko as a community manager for a short time?

I am slowly finishing adding the old summaries btw, takes me more time that I initially though, but is nice seeing that history 😄

There are some questions I'll have for sure down the line, especially as I might have missed some bits and not everything was ideally archived in web archive (might ask around in case someone have a copy though)

Will especially be good to know, when we'll be down improving/writing/listing the pages of individual TIS developers 👀

[flint vapor]

@languid kayak should I clean up the Project Modding page tasks from time to time ?

I like the idea of showing which ones are finished, but it needs some cleaning removing finished ones from time to time

Like should I clean these every months alongside the monthly reports, maybe making a list of finished tasks in the report ?

*Fix links and move pages to sentence case (see [[PZwiki:Tasks#One-time bot tasks|tasks]]): [[Scripts]] and [[Lua event]].

Any idea if that's done ?

I believe it is, but not sure if all were fixed

[flint vapor]

This line breaks HistoryLine:

*<code><VIDEOCENTRE:VIDEO_NAME.bik, original_width, original_height, display_width, display_height></code> - <code>VIDEO_NAME.bik</code> must be in <code>media/videos/</code> (that's where the panel looks for videos); the original dimensions of the video; the size at which it will be displayed in the panel (default for displayed size is w=384, h=216 if undefined).

==Modding changes==
{{HistoryTable
|theme=blue
|item_id=[[Lua (API)]]
|
{{HistoryLine|Build 42.2.0|Build 42.2.0|
Via [https://github.com/demiurgeQuantified/UmbrellaAddon-Unstable/commit/18ef44684a6854da6a7d4cdb3ab544a713fde572 Umbrella changelog 42.2.0]
}}
{{HistoryLine|Build 42.1.0|Build 42.1.0|
Via [https://github.com/demiurgeQuantified/UmbrellaAddon-Unstable/commit/9ea219160eac8efa91b600543f5b599531ff7dfc Umbrella changelog 42.1.0]
}}
{{HistoryLine|Build 42|Build 42|
New [[ISRichTextPanel]] tags:
*<code><GHC></code> - the Good Highlited Color set by the player in options
*<code><BHC></code> - the Bad Highlited Color set by the player in options
*<code><VIDEOCENTRE:VIDEO_NAME.bik, original_width, original_height, display_width, display_height></code> - <code>VIDEO_NAME.bik</code> must be in <code>media/videos/</code> (that's where the panel looks for videos); the original dimensions of the video; the size at which it will be displayed in the panel (default for displayed size is w=384, h=216 if undefined).
*<code><VIDEOCENTRE:VIDEO_NAME.bik, original_width, original_height, backup_image_name></code> - if the video effects are off it will show the backup image, must be in <code>media/videos/</code> (hardcoded location).
}}
}}

Without it

==Modding changes==
{{HistoryTable
|theme=blue
|item_id=[[Lua (API)]]
|
{{HistoryLine|Build 42.2.0|Build 42.2.0|
Via [https://github.com/demiurgeQuantified/UmbrellaAddon-Unstable/commit/18ef44684a6854da6a7d4cdb3ab544a713fde572 Umbrella changelog 42.2.0]
}}
{{HistoryLine|Build 42.1.0|Build 42.1.0|
Via [https://github.com/demiurgeQuantified/UmbrellaAddon-Unstable/commit/9ea219160eac8efa91b600543f5b599531ff7dfc Umbrella changelog 42.1.0]
}}
{{HistoryLine|Build 42|Build 42|
New [[ISRichTextPanel]] tags:
*<code><GHC></code> - the Good Highlited Color set by the player in options
*<code><BHC></code> - the Bad Highlited Color set by the player in options

*<code><VIDEOCENTRE:VIDEO_NAME.bik, original_width, original_height, backup_image_name></code> - if the video effects are off it will show the backup image, must be in <code>media/videos/</code> (hardcoded location).
}}
}}

Because of the = symbol

[languid kayak]

sure

There's kinda no clear line on when it happens though 😄

So far it's been mostly up to the leaders themselves kinda (or me doing this arbitrarily)

[flint vapor]

👌

I'll listed tasks finished in the modding reports

[digital helm]

Yeah, because of =. It's the same for |, as these are operators in templates. You can escape them by using {{=}} for = and {{!}} for |.

[lusty mantle]

Yeah, if I remember correctly Stinky was community manager for about a year or so before nasKo took over. That was when I was a lurker though before I fully jumped into the community circa 2013. I believe Stinky used to have a forum account, but seems they elected to delete it. Assuming their tenure wasn't during the original forums that existed, which would explain why it doesn't seem to exist on the new ones.

[lusty mantle]

Assuming the blogs are actually all there, if you're missing any indiedb would be a good place to check as well, since during the Desura days stuff got crossposted there and it seems to still have those posts.

[languid kayak]

yeah, old forums are sadly gone, those who didn't move over, don't have an account, a lot of content is missing due to that, the ones not archived in web archive.

[languid kayak]

yeah, it's the same on moddb, same database, but now that you think maybe I should indeed link to indiedb, as that's where the mods were from 😄 ModDB is just slightly more popular

Some stuff are on Facebook too

[languid kayak]

Okay, took me probably way more than it should, and it's certainly some errors, but all the PZ related posts that aren't on the current website should be archived on the wiki, startting from https://pzwiki.net/wiki/The_Perils_of_XNA_and_the_Death_of_an_Indie

These come from:

• Lemmy's Blog (web archive, March 8, 2011 – October 16, 2011)
• Binky's Blog https://theindiestone.com/binky/
  and three past iterations of the https://projectzomboid.com/

There are some images missing, mostly March-April 2011 ones, but some newer ones too (or are available with just thumbnails). I tried documenting them as much as I could (either in comments <!-- --> or with a link to web archive, so at least the file name is known – though these could be reuploaded elsewhere or kept locally on some drives of the active folks from that time, I'll try asking around whether TIS folks might have them, though they're probably busy with other stuff :P). But just in case you have a clue/have a missing picture, let me know!

As well as Facebook and ModDB (I'll be adding some ModDB thumbnails and redirects from different names later on) and maybe swap to IndieDB while at it.

Few YouTube videos were delisted so are missing too.

I did not include the non-PZ posts from Lemmy, Binky or the old TIS blog, and only linked to the posts from Nik's blog (there were a few). Mash seems not to have posted on PZ really.

There might be some bits and bobs on social medias (ex twitter mostly), but that isn't well archived. Maybe I'll go through some of these eventually.

Oh yeah, and I will adjust the categories later on, so far the categories are a little mess.

The only three blogs with partial text saved are these:
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Beefcake_Bob!
~~https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Update_on_the_Update_Time~~
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/OMG_Live_Interview

These three were only saved as a summaries from the main page archived at the time.

[digital helm]

Nice work! That would've been a lot of work. That XNA blog was a good read, and where I got a lot of info for the PAWS page

[languid kayak]

Yeah 😄 I just briefly skimmed most of it, but it's where some info comes from.

Kinda wish we'd get some of these straight from Lemmy/Binky/Mash/Nik or friends someday, as everything about the pre-PZ is barely archived

If someone had these printed magazines, these could shed some light too 😄

[proud cobalt]

Very nice, I probably won't come back to it till after B42 which means... Never 😆

I'm also taking a bit of a personal break on top of that, but hoping to get stuck back into items soon

[languid kayak]

I might only pester you about the script at some point, to maybe re-parse what's on the live blog

Was an interesting trip down the memory lane, even though I just checked my Gmail, oldest I have is 2012 from Steam Forum Posts and then 2013 newsletters from Desura (and 2013 is my purchase date on Desura)

Unrelateted, but leaving it here too https://web.archive.org/web/20090222173751/http://www.zombie-cow.com/?p=394 – Carrion is still downloadable to play and the trailer's on YouTube, I never deep dived into it either 😄

And old TIS blog, nothing about PZ too https://web.archive.org/web/20100828141109/http://theindiestone.com:80/theblog/

[languid kayak]

The interview in question is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ab3CVQGJq0 btw though it's a bit long 😄

[languid kayak]

@hushed bobcat took me some time but I moved your page to the main space 🙂 https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Street_names

[flint vapor]

Is it normal Med U Well is in double ?

Removed the duplicate

[languid kayak]

<@&1205891296565268520> to counter the lack of the Thursdoid, here's the monthly wiki summary for the January 2025! Enjoy! https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:News#January_2025_summary

[main trail]

huh?

[flint vapor]

:D

[vital cairn]

Damn, no word about the TV/radio channel stuffs, I am devoid of all happiness /j

Actually nvm I am stupid

[wraith lark]

/j

[languid kayak]

was about to link it lol

[vital cairn]

Funny how my profile isn't shown as a page

[flint vapor]

Realized I fucked up the Translation page name, it should be Translations

[vital cairn]

I thought I made one

OOhh

I called it OOF_TVYT cause that's my actual name

[languid kayak]

fixed, thanks!

[languid kayak]

I changed it, thanks! The problem is that MediaWiki has two major limiations:

• it converts the first letter to uppercase, so nasKo → NasKo, and sharpgolden → Sharpgolden
• and converts underscore to space, so OOF_TVYT → OOF TVYT by default

[vital cairn]

I noticed that when I checked out my profile

Wicked, I am now immortalized via the blue redirect /j

[flint vapor]

yea that's mb no worries lol

[serene sage]

man I love free gifts

oop it got deleted

[flint vapor]

wrong place

[sour patio]

my bad

[fallen wren]

finally, sustenance, must read update details

[dawn egret]

Ok

[quartz bear]

Minecraft

[flint vapor]

<@&671452400221159444>

[serene sage]

<@&671452400221159444>

[rotund echo]

I think it's time we should add the new variants of the cars

igcd.net has been so kind as to take pictures of the new Build 42 vehicle variants

[digital helm]

New variants would be good

There were plans to upload the rendered models, but that was before b42 😅

[rotund echo]

https://www.igcd.net/game.php?id=1000013027

[rotund echo]

The minibus got 4 different variants now xD

They probably misspelled "Bullitt" but regardless, that's an absolutely fire police livery imo

[digital helm]

They all look sick

[dense storm]

Yeah they cooked with the custom skins this update

[rotund echo]

Oh yeah, I also forgot the prison vans lol

[rotund echo]

Now I just wonder where the "Bulletin County" cars spawn

[digital helm]

Valley Station?
ValleyStation = { "Base.CarLightsBulletinSheriff", "Base.CarLightsKST", },

These ones should only spawn once

ProfessionVehicles.UniqueVehicles = {
    "Base.VanJohnMcCoy",
    "Base.VanMicheles",
    "Base.VanRosewoodworking",
    "Base.PickUpTruckJPLandscaping",
    "Base.VanGardenGods",
    "Base.VanTreyBaines",
    "Base.PickUpVanWeldingbyCamille",
    "Base.VanMetalheads",
    "Base.PickUpVanBrickingIt",
    "Base.VanPennSHam",
    "Base.VanKorshunovs",

    "Base.VanSeats_Creature",
    "Base.VanSeats_LadyDelighter",
    "Base.VanSeats_Space",
    "Base.VanSeats_Trippy",
    "Base.VanSeats_Valkyrie",
}

[languid kayak]

I think we can resurrect the vehicles project if needed even? Not sure who'd be up for leadership, and it might be a short-lived proejct, unless some new vehicles will be added along the line.

Exporting models would be the next big task.

[digital helm]

Since it's relatively small scope, we could make a b42 subproject for it

[languid kayak]

that too

[languid kayak]

btw, really informative, especially the real equivalent, these can all go to trivia. I think I stumbled to the site, but I never bookmarked it, I do check imfdb often though 😄

(but I think I didn't for zomboid)

https://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Project_Zomboid

[rotund echo]

That's what igcd.net does best heh

If there's any vehicle in a game that would need to be ID'd, these guys are the nerds for that kind of thing

[rotund echo]

Now, "Bulletin County" isn't any real county in Kentucky, it's likely just a misspelling of Bullitt County

Valley Station in real life falls into Jefferson County, not Bullitt.

But then again, there aren't any actual locations or landmarks in Bullitt County parts of the Zomboid map.

Guess it's just Valley Station happens to be the closest.

[digital helm]

I tried looking for it in Valley Station, but only found the Louisville County one, which is Jefferson. So idk...
Jefferson = { "Base.CarLightsKST", "Base.CarLightsLouisvilleCounty", },

[languid kayak]

Maybe @thin cloud can confirm? Is Bulletin County a misspelling? relevant picture: #pzwiki_editing message

[rotund echo]

Here's a rough Zomboid political map I made, based on real-life

Meade - Brandenburg, Muldraugh, Ekron, Lickskillet

Jefferson - Louisville, Valley Station

Hardin - West Point

Breckinridge - Irvington

Bullitt - Camp Fitzgerald xD

[sage badge]

I noticed all of the subprojects for the b42 update are listed as not started, do they require a project leader to become officially "started"? And what does having them be officially started entail, if not just saying that people are contributing to it?

[thin cloud]

No, it's a fake county for our purposes

A mixture of Hardin and Bullitt

[proud cobalt]

The little icon just hasn't been updated for the ones that are marked.

Pretty much just that someone has started on it, and should be the point of contact for editors and Vail to see where progress is so we dont double up on work

It's also not neccesarily a comitment to complete the entire scope of that subproject

[olive flint]

what does this mean

[serene sage]

the irl counties that make up the playable area

[olive flint]

ohhh

[rotund echo]

Yeah it's not "Knox County"

That was a mistake on the devs' end

[ornate tapir]

So that means more pages? Ohno

Or do we keep it knox county?

[rotund echo]

"Knox Country" is like an informal name, plot-wise

[languid kayak]

so Bullitt would be a mistake then? Bulletin would be the correct one (as per @rotund echo map in #pzwiki_editing message ?)

[rotund echo]

It's a rough political map based on irl

[thin cloud]

Yes

We don't have a "Knox County" anymore, it got changed to the less specific "Knox Country"

[gusty ingot]

is that because of google having zomboid as the first result instead of the real thing?

[flint vapor]

You can edit the page and fix it

[real imp]

oh, yea i see.. just need an account

[sage badge]

Are the pages for the missing item models category added/removed to the category automatically? I had assumed that it just checked for the item's image and added/removed them from the category depending on if it's valid or not, but all of the items I've done images for are still present in the category.

[digital helm]

They're supposed to be removed automatically. We might need to take a look at what's happening there

[sage badge]

Thankya, would make it a lot easier to know the progress with the page number updating to match lol 😅

[digital helm]

The ones I checked seem to be updated 🤔 it could be because a page is missing multiple models. If you see one can you send me a link to the page?

[digital helm]

It's because the game is not set in Knox County. The name got changed to Knox Country in 2013 with the release of steam when the map was remade. The Devs thought Fort Knox was in Knox County, which it isn't. So to not make too drastic of a change, it was changed to Country
Then Knox County remained the name of the remake of the original map

[sage badge]

I'm sure there's more, but here's two:
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Cat_Treats
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Auger_Drill

[digital helm]

Thanks. Looks like a cache issue. Categories tend to take a bit longer to update. I'll check again later to see if it's updated

[digital helm]

We had a brief discussion with Blair (dev) about the 'descriptor' in page names, after some confusion about what a 'minibus' was in a bug report, and whether it was from a mod. This sparked a discussion about what the descriptor should be.
As descriptors are becoming more common with all the new items, tiles, vehicles, locations and animals, I think it's a good time to put something into the style guide.
So we have a few options, each with their own positives and negatives:

1. Use the technical name. Example: Franklin Valuline (VanSeats), Sneakers (Shoes_TrainerTINT)
2. Use a functional/lore name. Example: Franklin Valuline (6-seater), Sneakers (random) or Franklin Valuline (Platt Auto Repair)
3. Use a reader friendly name inspired by the technical name. Example: Franklin Valuline (seats) or Sneakers (tint)

Personally, I'm a bit conflicted, so here's some of my pros and cons.

1. Technical name.

• Pro: May make it easier for modders to find an item
• Pro: The most 'technically' correct alternate name
• Pro: Would be easiest to decide on the descriptor with no confusion or discussion. E.g. Sledgehammer2 (what else do we name it?)
• Con: For the average reader, names like Shoes_TrainerTint or Sledgehammer2 are unintuitive, with little to know meaning unless they're already familiar with it.
• Con: Lose the choice on whether to split a page or not, as every minor variant (such as liveries) would get its own page, instead of listing them on a single page.

2. Functional/lore name.

• Pro: Helps the reader to quickly determine what this variant is (although we do have {{About}} for this purpose)
• Pro: Can have a variant group page without being forced to split them. E.g. Franklin Valuline (6-seater) could just list the liveries if we wanted.
• Pro: Allows for lore names, such as: Franklin Valuline (Platt Auto Repair) instead of Franklin Valuline (VanPlattAuto)
• Con: Potential to lead to confusion, leading to a drift from a more factual naming convention (e.g. minibus)
• Con: More difficult to have a clear style guide on what a descriptor should be.

3. Reader friendly technical name.

• Pro: More reader friendly or 'prettier' than the technical name
• Con: Often not very descriptive in what it is
• Con: Can be some confusion in what it should be. E.g. Sledgehammer2. Do we name it Sledgehammer (2)?
• Con: Can be less descriptive than the technical name. E.g. T-shirt (tint) would mean less to readers than T-shirt (Tshirt_WhiteTINT)

We can of course have a different guide for different categories of pages. E.g. a page dedicated to modding should have the more technically correct name.

[proud cobalt]

I've been sitting on this for a bit since the discussion. The cons for the technical name are very big cons IMO. Severely reduced search and readability at the trade off at being the most technically correct. I think the fact that it's only on a few articles also increases any confusion that comes because of it.

Functional/lore names I think make the most sense still. But maybe they need the caveat of being based in game fact. The Platt Auto Repair van is provably that because it has it written on the van itself. Minibus doesnt have any provable line like that. However 6 seater Is a provable fact, and is more searchable/readable. So in that case I think it should take priority over 'seats' which tells the user nothing. This would also extend to colours like of the top of my head, briefs (red) ((don't remember if that's actually distinguished in B42, for this example assume it's not)).

Only if there can't be concensus on a fact based descriptor should we default to an id.

Though I'd like to add, no matter the concensus on this, all of the articles with descriptors should have a second looking at

[digital helm]

Pretty much outlined my thoughts too. I'm thinking use a functional/lore name first, then technical as a fallback, where it doesn't make sense, e.g. Sledgehammer2.
Colour variants is a good example. Having Sneakers (red), Sneakers (blue) and Sneakers (random) is better than having their item IDs.
Primary audience on main content pages should be your casual player imo.

[serene sage]

I definitely prefer having a functional descriptor because it looks better and is more helpful for the average joe, we could have the technical name somewhere else in the article (infobox vehicle?)

[zealous nova]

The wiki should be first for the player and then for the developer. We have the concept of redirect, any technical term can redirect very well to a more readable version.

[languid kayak]

Had some time to finally read it properly; like the others, I think the functional/lore is the best personally, searchability is the most important aspect, especially as it's the only one visible. The rest should be settled by the appropriate redirects.

But yeah, there are some things in the items that might need an extra look at, like the minivan, to be closer with the actual game naming if possible.

[wind acorn]

I wanted to edit a wiki page to fix the code snippet part that got broken but it says its limited to users even though I'm in autoconfirmed users group.

[proud cobalt]

Which page? It might think you're logged oiut

[wind acorn]

It is the hunting knife page and i am logged in

[proud cobalt]

Yeah but sometimes the website thinks youre not, click the loging button again

I checked and theres no protection on the page

[wind acorn]

Thank you the problem has been solved

[digital helm]

I'm going to be moving the 6-seater Franklin Valuline from (minibus) to (6-seater), and changing any references to it being a minibus, after this discussion for these reasons:

1. Not referred to as a minibus in-game
2. A minibus is a specific vehicle classification of which this isn't (same as minivan), especially for the time setting and region
3. 6-seater creates the least confusion around what it is, and is grounded in its functionality.

[lucid junco]

Lore name is a go imo

A was a bit split so didn't reply at first

But I think technical name is only good for a minority of users, since its not a dev wiki

[digital helm]

So far we all seem to be on a similar page. I'll try to put something together over the weekend for style guide. Nothing too crazy or in-depth. Just for us to refer to so we keep consistent.

[hushed bobcat]

I'm trying once again find a format for the long location lists like Louisville. Wdyt on collapsible cells like here
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Halwaru/sandbox_2
(Check on Restaurants row places with multiple entries like Pile o' Crepe or the Unnamed one)

[digital helm]

Personally, I'm not a huge fan. It's a solution, but looks like an unideal one to me.
Firstly, the use of tables here will massively increase the page load time, but we can still do this without using tables. It's also a lot more clicking for the user. This creates friction, which leads to it not being used and instead just click the page link instead, removing the need to include it in the first place.
There's also the aesthetic factor. To me it makes it look messier, but that's something we may be able to improve.

Honestly, I think going with the same layout as the Knox Country page would fix these issues. Just have the headings for each district with the {{Main}} template, and a list of the most iconic POIs. This is easier to follow, and remains consistent with other parts of the wiki. We can then also do this with Doe Valley and counties, if we end up ever having a page for them.

Then we can offload all the businesses to those district pages

If the problem is users not knowing where each district is, we can include a map at the top of that district section highlighting the area.

[naive imp]

I thought we agreed on my idea found in my sandbox, no?

Just to shorten it a bit

@digital helm ^

[digital helm]

My opinion on it hasn't changed #pzwiki_editing message I think the tables as they are on your sandbox is an improvement, but I still think including every business on the Louisville page is unnecessary, and could instead by listed on pages about those districts. So only the main POIs are listed, e.g. hospitals, police stations, etc. Rather than every cafe and restaurant.

That's my thoughts on it, but maybe I'm alone there

[naive imp]

But those pages are not yet created

We would need to create them first

[proud cobalt]

Any issues if i use the bot to automatically version bump pages that have no changes to history between the current version, and the page version? @digital helm @languid kayak @naive imp

Item pages*^

For example. Item "A" has had no changes to it's code between 41.78.16 and 42.2.0 so i update the page version to 42.2.0

[digital helm]

I don't think we should yet. Unless it's already 42.x.x. There could be other changes in java or lua that could've changed things

I think we'll need to do a sweep of each of the item lists first, to see what could've been changed

Unless maybe you have a list of the items that haven't had a change in the script file?

[proud cobalt]

Yeah fair point

It would likely be more used for minor updates

Like 42.1 to 42.2 but i did use the example of 41

[digital helm]

Yeah I don't have an issue with changing 42. Haven't had a major update yet that's expected to change a lot of mechanics

firearms is one that's still changing though

[proud cobalt]

Yeah i'll have to look into doing it anyway so will wait for others thoughts too. Enjoying be able to actually get some edits done 😄

[languid kayak]

sounds fine with me 👌

[languid kayak]

oh

[digital helm]

Does that make sense to you though?

[languid kayak]

yup

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnjk9T6HDu0 useful vid in case we want to make basement page btw

[languid kayak]

When researching some old PAWS things, I found something interesting 😛 https://www.startpage.com/sp/search?query=sims "Indie+Stone+Mod"&cat=web&pl=opensearch&language=english

I knew that TIS worked on sims mods, but seems it was popular at times and used their company name back then 😄

[digital helm]

Indeed. Iirc it was a story mod. Also did a civ5 mod, which I think modified the tech tree? Would've been "Lemmy&Binky" back then

[languid kayak]

I heard about the civ mod, not sure how was it called though

[digital helm]

They did a Civ5 and Civ4 mod, which they stopped due to working on Project Zomboid 😄
I must've been misremembering. This is more about religion, resources and city growth. Looks like IndieStone was from then too
https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/indiestone-d-u-c-k-s-mod.391739/
https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/indierevolution-gameplay-mechanics-inc-advisor-system-distribution-immigration.359227/

[digital helm]

I've added to the style guide. I went a little more in-depth than I originally planned. But I think it's clear and fairly straightforward, and serves a better purpose like this, which is, a guide...
Let me know if anything should be changed.
https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Help%3AStyle_guide&type=revision&diff=825589&oldid=821875

Main points that were discussed are:

• Use descriptors suited to the article’s audience. Main game content should use player-friendly terms, while modding-related pages may use technical language.
• Use descriptors consistent with in-game or code terminology, rather than assigning new ones.
• If additional clarification is needed, use a functional descriptor that highlights a defining characteristic. E.g. "Franklin Valuline" has a ''2-seater'' and ''6-seater'' variant.

@languid kayak @proud cobalt @naive imp ☝️

[proud cobalt]

Yeah i like this, well written and clear.

[languid kayak]

looks nice 👌

[languid kayak]

btw @lucid junco here's some minor backstory of CGEmpire: http://pzguides.com/interview-with-the-indie-stones-mashpotato

[tulip kiln]

Can't believe I missed this, the Zoinks comic book has got to be a scooby doo easter egg

[languid kayak]

Are we keeping this? https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Katana&curid=12729&diff=822687&oldid=817369 We have this information in table already, though I get that it may not be the most visible place

[languid kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/shaggy-scared-zoinks-surprised-gif-15872371

[proud cobalt]

I dont think so

[languid kayak]

as in undo the revision?

Though things like that will pop up from time to time surely 🤔

[proud cobalt]

Yeah

[tulip kiln]

I just don't like em being called zomboids tbh, it just sounds so stupid

[serene sage]

mods, take his sledgehammers away

[tulip kiln]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RexjMg6Eww4 Whenever I hear someone call em zomboids, I just think about this video

[lucid junco]

Me when I kill zombodians in project zed

[languid kayak]

oh I just realized it referred to zombies as zomboid 😄 But yeah. The name for PZ stuck now, but according to the old interview with Lemmy when someone asked about the origin, it was said that the name stuck just because it started to be recognizable, they didn't think of the game's success at the time.

[zealous nova]

Why do you think it's stupid?

[tulip kiln]

I just think it sounds stupid, that's it rlly.

[flint vapor]

But that's the whole point 😶

[tulip kiln]

Whole point of wat?

[flint vapor]

The name being stupid I'd say

Makes the apocalypse less hard to live maybe 😎

[zealous nova]

@languid kayak why the change
from locations to location ?
https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=PZwiki:Community_portal&diff=next&oldid=390881

[languid kayak]

i reverted ir I think?

if not I will 🙂

[languid kayak]

but yeah, reverted in the next edit: https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=PZwiki:Community_portal&diff=next&oldid=824809

[serene sage]

wanted to say this a while ago but thanks @flint vapor for the work you've put into the modding pages of the wiki; recently got back into modding and the changes and fixes you've done really helped me update the mod and create some new ones (particularly with the new file structure, such a foreign thing to me)

pretty slow week here, btw

[proud cobalt]

Up and down is always how contribs go, from what I've seen over the past year. Holiday periods coincide with more edits, then people go back to work, everyone's getting back into the rhythm of work.
And with B42 coming out just over a month ago everyone had the huge first push and now it's time to let off for a bit.

[serene sage]

yeah that makes sense

[flint vapor]

[dry robin]

So long as everyone is looking after themselves and not over working that's important, especially as another new build just dropped x3

[gusty ingot]

Hi im not sure if I should make a bug report as I believe the devs don’t work on the wiki (im not making an account) but the meat cleaver page says it uses the axe skill, but the first line says “it is a one handed short blade weapon”

I will revise my comment and mention that this page says its been revised for the current branch of 41.78.16. The second page for meat cleaver was automatically generated https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Meat_Cleaver vs new: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Meat_Cleaver_(forged)

[languid kayak]

yeah, forcing myself do to things too; basically the most work I've put is diggint old 2011-2012 posts nobody cars about 😄

[languid kayak]

yeah, might be it indeed

[digital helm]

Yeah best to leave a comment here or on the wiki itself. Wiki is hosted by the devs but maintained by volunteers.
That's interesting though... That infobox (box on the right with the image and info) is updated by a bot. So it looks like it's been changed to an Axe weapon in b42 🤔

[flint vapor]

Didn't knew that was a thing thx lol

[languid kayak]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Awards

[flint vapor]

[proud cobalt]

Like you said, the page text has not been updated for B42, but the infobox has. In B42 it's an axe skill weapon

[tulip kiln]

lmao pretty soon ur going to be like those north korean generals with dozens of medals covering their entire shirt.

[flint vapor]

😅

[gusty ingot]

So weird. How is a meat cleaver an axe and not short blade

[tulip kiln]

I guess cause short blade is more reserved for knives that you jab and/or jawstab with. Meat cleaver can't do either so it's axe instead.

[gusty ingot]

Thats a good point

[proud cobalt]

42.3 updater working away

[tulip kiln]

boom new confirmation right there, they were having tours in sunderland hills.

More importantly tho, we got the spiffos flyerss finally

[lucid junco]

Called it 👀

[lucid junco]

Its time to check if older fliers were fixed

[flint vapor]

Oooh

[proud cobalt]

Many were meant to have been

[lucid junco]

Cant wait to see the changes in a week or so

[hushed bobcat]

Nice, more street names. I'll update those later

[hushed bobcat]

Updated a few that I have spotted some differences (updated isometric view), and some missing ones. But I don't have the last update yet, so for sure there are more (like the spiffo one) All new fliers included as well

[hushed bobcat]

What the folks on AMZ Steel discovered that I'm missing? 😂

[hushed bobcat]

On the b42map, is there a way to link coordinates but in a different floor? X + Y is working, but the third parameter is not the floor, it's the zoom level. I'm trying to update the Louisville Airport business location, but I don't know if there is a way already to put coordinates for anything other than the first floor 😕

[languid kayak]

I think not, and wasn't the case on b42 map either… Would be nice to have it though indeed

[long yacht]

forgot my pz wiki password and email recovery isnt working so i just made a new account named Mistashark10

close enough

[proud cobalt]

Started language pages for 42.3 now, about a 24 hour process

[languid kayak]

it's 42.3.1 now btw

[proud cobalt]

I know but too late 😂

[languid kayak]

ouch 😄

I had a brief chat with @digital helm the other day btw, but how do we want to format these headers? I saw one users changing it for Build 42 builds

https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Build_42.1.0&type=revision&diff=821601&oldid=805019

We though with Vail that the ===Headers=== would be more readable? Also all caps or no all caps?

Earliest builds were like that https://pzwiki.net/wiki/RC2.9_-_Build_0008 though colors are too complicated needlessly

[digital helm]

Headers make sense now that the builds are on their own page. Allows people to navigate to the section through the TOC and link to if we need. It should also follow the normal heading rules, i.e. sentence case

Also, I don't think we need to include "Changelogs" on these pages. Since they're just just changelogs. Makes sense to include the Changelog section on the major version page, i.e. Build 42.

[languid kayak]

That might be good too, I was thinking of changeing a format a little, some things may as well go to the infobox like links to patch notes, similar to what I do with news https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Infobox_news (which may need some ironing out probably, as it's pretty much adapted from build one :P)

Speaking of news, I may need some help with that, maybe I will finally force myself to start coding again (last one was uni, and I was never good at it), but I'm at the point, adding old news manually wanting to clean up https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Autogenerated_articles_(blogs) is a really tedious job. Would be nice if you at lest DM me with the script you got to generate them @proud cobalt when you have time. 😄

So far, I got over pretty much everything that's up to early 2011 and corrected errors manually, though there are some posts that are not listed on the website in the 2011 and 2013 versions of the website. Sometimes they are mirrored on the IndieDB, but not always (it's hit-and-miss).

Also, all the new posts would require to be adjusted to the new infobox format (e.g., https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Something_wicked_this_way_comes), also the Community, Modding and Uncategorized blog posts were never parsed, and the names are often exported wrong and the author and date could be parsed from the comments, too. Sometimes images were not properly imported too, also Calvy used a compression and didn't keep the original names, often they are duplicated too.

There are some images that are missing in Web Archive, or only available in lower resolutions, I plan to eventually make a list of them and ask Kirrus or Nasko if maybe they can help find it. Also offered help if there's even a need to help with Wordpress too. 🙂

Next in line would be old builds. Both are project history, so pinging @lucid junco for that, so you know what I'm working/planning on working.

I kinda want to go back to build 42 too, but history is something I kinda enjoy too, and would be nice to preserve it for the 1 few people that care 😄

[proud cobalt]

Sorry Faal, will try remember to get that script to you, it should be on the pc still after the format.

I'll be focusing on B42, and specifically items for the foreseeable future. Which feels like it might be a year or three at this stage 😆

I also see people struggling with the new farming, fishing, and Crafting mechanics, so I'd really like to investigate those and get pages up, but there's only so many hours in a day/week/month/year.

[languid kayak]

no worries 😄 I guess it won't run anywhere (though I did have the web archive taking away our pz builds and ddos attacks on the back of my head when doind the ones behind the archives :P)

[languid kayak]

yeah, those would definitely need a revamp, these were outdated even in b41 standards, even more now.

Even foraging wasn't tip-top, but it was definitely better. Small things like https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Insect_(disambiguation) are in the back of my head, as we didn't really get any new insects from foraging and nothing as form of live insects IIRC (like visible spiders, not sure if they are planned for build 42 still?)

[proud cobalt]

Yeah, it's also incredibly difficult to write an article on features that aren't complete. So there's just gaps in content

[lucid junco]

So long without wiki and Im loosing it

Cmon china, deliver me fans faster

https://tenor.com/view/albuquerque-waiting-weird-al-weird-al-yankovic-gif-7328040741784146635

I will likely hit you up on history once Im done with signs

At least partially

[warm robin]

Heyyy

[languid kayak]

I got my fans for my pc half year ago, in the end I stole wife laptop for half a year and working on it right now 😄

(but yeah, gotta replace them soon™, as wife will be needing her laptop back)

my desktop is aging and some minor stuff are dying slowly too, but I'm delaying as much as I can as I'm lazy 😄

(and without having to deal with stuff like win11 enforcing stupid things, I can just use them pretty much indefinitely)

[serene sage]

so I’m not the only one with laptop issues here

[languid kayak]

I honestly never liked the laptop form factor; maybe good when you travel a lot and need a big screen, but for me it was always ending
a) seeing people replace a desktop at home
b) too inconcenient to comfortably carry

I once had a laptop bought for me at uni (for me it was ridiculously expensive for what it did) it was small room, but when my roommate broguh his desktop pc, I did the same in the end.

It's the PC that's still with me in some form (rotated parts for wife PC).

In the end I replaced it with a way less powerful (no dGPU) Acer Aspire One PC (a little more powerful than EeePC at a time), perfectly capable of playing 720p videos back then (screen was 720p), the only issue it had was 10bit 1080p (it had no acceleration, and back then I used Windows).

That's why I find Deck really nice for the purpose (doubling as a console, though I use it as a computer), though small thinkpads or similar business laptops can the niche for me too.

Though I guess it ultimately depends whether you need a big screen and whether you indeed want to game on them. And I threw Linux on them anyway, with how minimalistic I get and being a keyboard more than mouse guy I enjoy thinkpad's trackpads).

I did experiment with cheap windows laptops back then, but they were awful with linux support and windows was too much for them.

[serene sage]

first of all my laptop screen got screwed, and now there are two rows of dead pixels on the display panel

it usually isn’t noticeable, unfortunately it is very noticeable when playing PZ

also the right arrow key got loose and one of the attachments broke off so it’s now only held on very loosely

[long yacht]

Forgot to mention but I updated the clay page a bit
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Clay

[tulip kiln]

<@&671452400221159444> Cunts trying to scam

[buoyant forge]

ty

[verbal flax]

Hello friends

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Irvington

I have made edits to the Irvington wiki as well as bright valley trailer park

There was nothing about the king of the hill neighborhood and I’m not sure how many people have even found the Easter egg yet to be fair.

[tulip kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/king-of-the-hill-bill-dauterive-gif-5225731

Ye some of us know of the easter egg

[fallen wren]

junk items page not updated yet?

hm, multiple categories

should the junk items page become miscellaneous items?

ah, it redirects to junk page, need to do something about it

just made an account on the wiki, id like to help in my spare time, even if its just small descriptions for the time being

[flint vapor]

Welcome

[languid kayak]

no, we're working on doing the lists automatically, but so far only clothing and weapons got that treatment.

Someone was working on food too.

Generally you should see the build number at the top of the page, we try to keep it updated.

see https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Version

(keep in mind that one page can belong to several categories; often e.g., infobox and/or ditributions are updated by a bot but actual text need editor attention so it's not been updated, I generally try to bump version if someone forgets, but I have some backlog and can sometimes miss some things, so feel free to correct version when needed 🙂 )

As for regular things to dom easiest would be going to https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Community_portal and seeing project's page for things to do (the active ones),

There's also https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Site_maintenance (mainly the pages marked as stub or improve), or before mentioned version category.

[hushed bobcat]

What is the thing with those pages?
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Mary_Alodia_Limpiado
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Renmar_Arnejo'
Wrong wiki? Spam? Is this expected somehow?

[flint vapor]

Lol wtf are those

[fallen wren]

best guess, a random filipino (the same guy from the second link) decided to added this page, a google lens search on the picture lead to a dead wikipedia page that existed at some point

its spam, gotta remove those, dont know why youd want to put your personal lifes info into a game wiki

[quartz bear]

playing the lead minecraft.

this is your cleantalk

[hushed bobcat]

Ok, I marked both pages for speedy deletion

[hushed bobcat]

<@&671452400221159444> ☝️

[languid kayak]

that happened in the pawt already... will issue a ban if it wasn't already when I'm on front of a pc

[flint vapor]

<@&671452400221159444>

[serene sage]

I sure wonder if "PZ" has a different meaning in the Philippines

[flint vapor]

[flint vapor]

Added an about to this page, to make the difference with custom sandbox options for mods

[flat sun]

adjusted

[flint vapor]

ups

@royal sluice also thanks for fixing grammar and typos in the Visual Studio Code page !

[proud cobalt]

Done

[proud cobalt]

Removed thanks

[languid kayak]

oh I just realized that the https://www.mobygames.com/person/1248559/emily-richardson/ from the early Rough Guide to Mods and https://www.mobygames.com/person/622097/phill-cameron/ from Modding of the Damned are credited as special infected

[languid kayak]

The most important redirect now up @lucid junco https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Doesn't_have_a_nickname&redirect=no

https://youtu.be/HYgPI0qkdU4?t=66 (for those unaware)

[digital helm]

Literature and bags/containers are done too. I may look at food next. See how long the container articles take me

[shrewd raptor]

any idea on rabbits not reproducing guys? the wiki is empty

[proud cobalt]

When you find out feel free to add it

[quartz bear]

rabbits not reproducing... what

[naive imp]

I know I'm sitting here working overtime like damn I wanna do work but everything in the way

Making money to live

Maintaining relationship with girlfriend and my friends

Like damn

Gimme a break society fuck

[naive imp]

We don't know yet so feel free to add the information if/when you find out. Nobody has tackled animals yet

[lucid junco]

Wiki EDITING? IN THIS ECONOMY?

[naive imp]

USA! USA! WE THE BEST (worst)

Seriously what the fuck is going on

Hey at least I'm not like some people I know and drowning in credit card debt

I just don't make a lot of money period

I did get a 3USD/hr raise tho lately

Hopefully that helps

[lucid junco]

Hopefully

I used to dream that one day Ill be living in US

Now it would be more like a death wish

But anyway

Personal life and well-being first, wiki editing later

[naive imp]

Tbh it's only bad if you're like me and not particularly wealthy

Even if you're moderately well off it is a nice place to be

[shrewd raptor]

i can send it here i dont know how to edit it in.

[naive imp]

Just make an account and add it to the page. It's like writing in a text editor

Someone will correct it if you fuck up

[shrewd raptor]

"rabbits of the breed, assuming in pairs of male and female, when they're adult, will reproduce in around a month in game."

[lethal cloak]

Someone just sent a DDoS link here and I clicked it... Thanks to kaspersky 🙏

[flint vapor]

Uh ......

Why doesn't the image work ?

Seems like the wiki doesn't like the naming of this file I guess

Is it because of the numbers ?

[flint vapor]

Still not working with different naming

[languid kayak]

I never really got that US idolization as a country, though apparently in some statistics Poland was a top EU country when it comes to liking US.

I think it kinda dates back to 80s-early 90s where everything from US was luxurious, and when we so desperately wanted to cut outself from eastern bloc.

[languid kayak]

it says it's already uploaded; maybe it's cache? Try adding ?action=purge to the website, too

[languid kayak]

and yeah, works for me 🤔

Also, I don't mind, but I think we kinda came circles with the mod pages now 😄 Except maybe more prepared now

[flint vapor]

Hmm

Let me try

Yea works now

Welp I uploaded two different files

Noted as delete

[languid kayak]

When updating links I added web archive to this https://web.archive.org/web/20120430201915/http://project-zomboid.ru:80/ – I believe the current website is a scam website now right? I assume as it links to a PZ .apk

links in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Community_of_the_Dead_3:_More_'castage_and_Zomboid_International

https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2012/05/community-of-the-dead-3-more-castage-and-zomboid-international/

[naive imp]

Gone. Reduced to atoms

[naive imp]

As an American myself, the idolization was more grounded in logic several decades ago. We used to be a lot better of a place to live than now.

Not that quality of life has necessarily decreased, but more so everything has stagnated and not kept up with the increases on quality of life in other similarly developed countries

If you ask me, it's the big corporations, government corruption, and monetary greed that fuels it, but that's a whole separate discussion.

[shrewd raptor]

i need some editors help/

i got plenty of animal care information, one that is no where to be found right now

i can give it but i dont have the time to write it on the wiki

if anyone wants to get some sweet rabbits information that is dire to many players'

this is the time

i really want to help

i used the last month and a half of game time to research rabbits

yeah im psycho

[lucid junco]

Give us a link to info and we will get to it

Sooner or later

[shrewd raptor]

how to do it?

[proud cobalt]

Either use Google doc or dm me the information on discord

[shrewd raptor]

dming you shortly with my findings

[languid kayak]

I see you already got in touch with Calvy, but generally things can be pasted here too; I can pin them till we properly add to wiki, though lack of time is the main obstacle for I think most of us sadly 😄

Though feel free to create an account anyway, editing is simple, we may get visual editor later down the line too (no ETA), but even without, it's like chatting on Discord really. And all the typos, mistakes etc. can be easily corrected.

see #pzwiki_editing message for a speedrun 😉

[serene sage]

that video is really old

[languid kayak]

yeah it is 😄

But that's the one we have 😛

[languid kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/rookie-numbers-gif-26135237

[serene sage]

<@&671452400221159444>

[slender wing]

howdy, Butchering is missing from this page: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Skill

should I add it into the Survivalist table? I noticed that Agriculture and Animal Care are under the Crafting list, but those three skills are all bundled under "farming" in the actual game. so I think it would be better if all three are under Survivalist, or perhaps their own category. thoughts?

First Aid is also under the "Survival" category in the actual game, but it is placed in the Crafting table of this page

(also just noticed that Glassmaking is missing too, but that will definitely go into Crafting)

[proud cobalt]

The page has not been updated from 41.78.16 it needs to be redone for B42

Feel free to add/reorder missing stuff, but would be better to add everything

[slender wing]

Gotcha

I’ll try to mirror how it looks in game then

[slender wing]

How can I edit this to add in a new section (Farming) and move the skills around consistent with how they are in game?

as well as to add in butchering, glassmaking, etc.

I edited the main skill page, and as I was creating the page for animal care I noticed this.

[proud cobalt]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Navbox_stats

[slender wing]

ah, thank you

[slender wing]

cant find profession/occupation icons in the source code anywhere 😔 wanted to add in livestock farmer to the wiki but oh well

the traits icon folder also only have like 6 in there so idk what is happening.

[languid kayak]

I didn't extract anything out of b42 yet, but I think there should be extractable with TileZed

Calvy did extract the item icons for b42

[hushed bobcat]

Hey @languid kayak , on those old news pages that are creating, is there a page that list all those as a time-line? I know that each post has the link to the previous and also the next post, but looking if there is a page that list all those chronologically (the category one list those by the first letter of title only)

[languid kayak]

no, at least not yet, but might be a good idea. So far cstegories are best bet

[round quest]

guys whats the highest pepepole server online with pvp

[digital helm]

This channel is for editing the wiki. Best to try in #pz_b41_chat or #1019737819981283459

[digital helm]

The icons are one of the texturepack .pack files, which can be extracted with tilezed (though there have been issues for some in b42). I can upload them later today

[slender wing]

ahh thank you, i would appreciate it!

[slender wing]

i found profession_rancher with tilezed so I went ahead and uploaded it! did not know about the .pack viewer so thank you. more stuff to play with

ill go ahead and add it to the occupations page

[slender wing]

two occupation pages that I do not believe I have permissions to change the title/move to a new page:

Fisherman -> Angler
Metalworker -> Welder

crop farmer and DIY expert have been fixed as far as I can tell. those are the last two

[digital helm]

Awesome! Thanks

[digital helm]

I've moved Metalworker, but Angler is also the name of a trait, so we'll need to decide which is the primary one. Occupation or trait. @languid kayak @proud cobalt

[proud cobalt]

Does the occupation give the trait?

[slender wing]

no, it does not

[proud cobalt]

Disambig page than

[slender wing]

also ive combed manually and also exported all files with trait_ in them and i didn't find the Wilderness Knowledge icon. looks like some trees. if you get a chance let me know if you can find/upload it so I can finish that page!

[digital helm]

I've uploaded it. https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Trait_wildernessknowledge.png
Along with this one https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Trait_poorpassenger.png

They were in media/ui/Traits

[slender wing]

ah, thank you lol i forgot to look back there after I grabbed whittler.

won't get through all the changes for traits tonight but made some decent progress. i'll try to finish up the rest tomorrow.

a lot/if not all of the weight related traits have been changed and might need to roll over to new page titles, like underweight -> low weight etc

but ill make a full list tomorrow to make it easier. so dont sweat it

[languid kayak]

Angler about the occupation, with {{About}} about the trait and Angler (trait) for the rest IMO.

I'd say as for priority, Skill -> Occupation -> Trait -> Occupation trait -> Location(?) -> Item -> Tile -> Everything else (did I miss anything major that might collide?)

Could add it to style guide if we all agree. Can also do use cases for them. We have a long paragraph about the casing, but nothing about the names in paranethese (are they called anything officially? Discrimators? gotta google that up)

[languid kayak]

I will be catching with the changes someday later this week hopefully 🤞 but sounds good, Ido mention all the changes, but if you would like to you can take Wiki Editor role from id:customize if you want to get monthly pings about the summaries from me and sporadical pings for other important stuff by Vail 🙂

[flint vapor]

Did you check in pack files ?

[languid kayak]

I don't have a game installed here, but aren't the new icons shipped as a loose files?

[flint vapor]

Nop not all of them

There's a few new ones in the pack files

[slender wing]

yeah for some reason it wasn’t in there even though the whittler trait icon was. but it’s in the ui/traits folder as a loose file

[flint vapor]

makes sense tbf

idk for other icons

But it does make sense it's in UI

[slender wing]

traits that have been renamed and need their pages moved over/titles changed:

Pacifist -> Reluctant Fighter
Asthmatic -> Short of Breath
Feeble -> Weak
Weak -> Puny

weight trait changes:
Underweight -> Low Weight
Overweight -> High Weight
Very Underweight -> Very Low Weight
Obese -> Very High Weight

i believe thats everything as far as trait changes go, once the pages are rolled over ill fix them all up. need to dig into the code and look for effect changes for all the traits next

[flint vapor]

You can do it if you want actually

[slender wing]

how do i do that? couldn’t find it anywhere in the guides

[flint vapor]

Top right dropdown menu

Should be something like that

Move

[slender wing]

oop, definitely didnt see that. thanks haha. ill give it a shot

[languid kayak]

btw, look what I bought and got in mail yesterday, but only unpacked it today 😄 Pinging @lucid junco too

[slender wing]

question, what would go in this dropdown menu for changing the trait names?

PZwiki?

also my wiki editor role keeps disappearing for some reason lol not sure why

[digital helm]

That's the namespace. So it should be unchanged, i.e. (Main)

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Namespaces

[slender wing]

got it, thank you!

[slender wing]

@proud cobalt feeble (now weak) and weak (now puny) both go to the same page (weak)

not sure if Puny should be created as a new page or how that affects other pages that point to weak but figured id mention

[proud cobalt]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Puny
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Weak

[slender wing]

oh whoops

lemme change it in the Trait page then lol

lots of repeat Weak links

[proud cobalt]

Because one overwrote the redirect most likely

So weak has a redirect from feeble, but puny cant have a redirect from weak

They should all be moved for you now though, so feel free to go through and update them

[slender wing]

appreciate it!

[slender wing]

traits page is all updated as far as names go. i tried using zomboiddecompile to look in the code but it doesn’t have b42 stuff for some reason and i can’t figure out why since it does it through my steam folder

any tips for decompiling so i can look at some trait info?

[flat sun]

if you're looking for the traits, they aren't defined in java, so there's no need to decompile

they're defined in lua

[proud cobalt]

I think its this file

[slender wing]

makes sense lol

thanks yall

[proud cobalt]

Wait that one's old. This is 42.3.1

Idk if theyre different but just in case

[slender wing]

awesome

[proud cobalt]

Should we delete Obsolete language pages? For example, many of the old farming module items have been replaced with base module items. For the most part, if they have a different name I have elected to make the page Obsolete, and link to the new one rather than delete. But this leaves all the language pages not marked Obsolete, and with no version tracking, which is not ideal.

Personally I think we should, I think they will cause more confusion than good. They won't be updated, even automatically, and don't have any version tracking.

@digital helm @languid kayak @naive imp and others

[naive imp]

I don't think we should for one simple reason:

It is easier to improve an outdated page than to create an entirely new one, especially for newer editors. We get a lot of great editors such as Ksliem from translations. Why shouldn't we add version tracking to these pages and keep them as obsolete?

To do this, we can use the date the page was last edited in comparison with the date of latest version release. I believe this would put most at 41.78.16.

[proud cobalt]

That's two seperate issues. Adding version tracking means doing it for every language page.

I'm mostly referring to Autogenerated item pages that no longer exist in the game. Base.HandShovel VS Farming.HandShovel. There's nothing to improve on the page as there's a new page for it.

[naive imp]

Well if the autogenerated page is in a different language, I would move the page if not moved already and just use find/replace to replace the old model descriptor with the new one, maybe stick {{translate}} on it and put "check translations" or something

But on non-autogenerated pages I'd say leave it. Why shouldn't the other language pages have language tracking? However, adding it would be a big task I'd imagine.

[proud cobalt]

In regards to why, it was a decision when the header was split early last year. I wasn't around for the discussion. It was decided we'd track English pages only

[naive imp]

I assume due to the English pages being more numerous?

[proud cobalt]

The language pages are subpages of the English ones. So in this case we have
Trowel which is the 41.78.16 item
And Gardening Trowel the 42.3.1 item
Then we have the language subpages of both. I'm putting forward that we remove the subpages for Trowel which is marked as Obsolete, delete its subpages, then leave Gardening trowel the way it is with its subpages

[proud cobalt]

Yeah and it's meant to be the baseline, with translations based off of that article

[naive imp]

Are the language subpages of the two pages identical save for the name?

If not I'd say create the subpage based on language and copy paste as noted before

But as always just my two cents

[proud cobalt]

Both subpages are Autogenerated based on the code at the time, so Infobox data location data etc is different

Happy for your opinion, that's why I wanted to open it for discussion

[naive imp]

But that's more because of a fundamental difference in the item, no? Based on versions?

Different spawn criteria, etc.

[proud cobalt]

They are fundamentally different items because the item Id is different, one just no longer exists

[naive imp]

🤔

Well going off of our agreed policy for everything else, if it no longer exists in b42 and we're updating everything to b42, should we use {{removed}} or delete it outright?

Thoughts?

[fallen wren]

noticed recently that theres this feature where you can "research craft" certain things, with thr two items i found in a safehouse story in my run is a baseball bat with nails and butterfly knife with that option
assuming a page like that doesnt exist, would it be ok to make that page, its a bit different to how magazines work

when i research craft the butterfly knife i got abit of skill xp from what i noticed

[digital helm]

I don't think there's an issue with creating that. We can always move/merge it later if we feel the need to. That was just added in 42.3. How it's 'learnt' gets stored the same as magazines/schematics/traits, in that it teaches a specific recipe in the same way, from my understanding

[proud cobalt]

One main page for researching, then maybe a tidbit on each items page on what it can research? I believe there was a very brief discussion with @digital helm that it would be unlikely we add it to the Crafting template itself.

Worth investigating where it's stored in code though

[proud cobalt]

It's likely a recipe in that case 🤔

[fallen wren]

probably, u cant make the baseball bat with nails unless u researched its recipe and get carpentry 3

(from what i recall in the crafting menu)

[digital helm]

The version tracking was left out initially because there was going to be another mbox which was going to state whether the translations were up-to-date or not (using revision tracking for the English page), but this didn't really work that well, so never got added. We discussed it more recently though and I think there were no objections to adding it to non-English pages. -- I assume this is about adding {{Page version}}

[proud cobalt]

Yeah I remember some discussion like that too. I think it should wait until stable 42 at least though

Autogen pages will be easy, version is tracked in the Infobox. All the rest will be a project in itself

[digital helm]

If it was autogenerated, I don't have an issue with deleting it.
It should all be a 1:1 translation of the English page anyway (at least that's the ideal goal). If the item ID has changed (farming.Trowel > Base.Trowel), then I feel like that should be included somewhere in the history of the English page

[proud cobalt]

Yeah I'd like to get a way to do that. It would probably involve manually declaring name changes for the history creator. It would require me looking into it

The stop gap is to put the history of both ids on the same page

Which is what I've been doing

[digital helm]

If it uses the item id, you could ignore the module. Then also check if it changed and record that, similarly to how you do for the properties. But that's easy for me to say because I don't know how it works 😄

[proud cobalt]

That could work, I hardly remember how it works

That's unintentionally why the code snips update even the Infobox doesn't 😆

[digital helm]

I'm with @proud cobalt with this, in that we just make it a disambig page. I feel like it's hard to define the 'primary' page here. And the priority could vary. This was why in the style guide I only mentioned items being the priority in most cases

[proud cobalt]

Because it looks for the code line "item X" and uses X as the item Id

[digital helm]

I don't think there's any items that have the same type/block name, so should be safe to ignore the module

[digital helm]

Also, we do have something about the descriptors, added recently 😄 #pzwiki_editing message

[proud cobalt]

I also think items should be the absolute top priority

[digital helm]

I think the only exceptions would be a major feature or topic, e.g. "Spiffo" should be about the mascot as the primary, whereas the plush would be "Spiffo (item)"

[languid kayak]

The old items lists are PITA (and confusing) too, the more we get into automating (at least part) of the page, the better.

The skill ones were more-guide-like structured, originally being called "Guide" and the non-English ones are mostly the remnants of the past no one seem to put effort to update (which is understandable, behemoth pages are PITA tio update, even English ones fall behind).

I generally tried to rate them case-by-case and at least salvage some text, but I think indeed at one point we should cross the line, even with the risk of losing tranlations.

For Polish ones, maybe you can force me to update if you make a list, but no ETA 😄

[languid kayak]

oh, you mostly meant the item pages? Then I think most nowadays is good to go in favor of the autogenerated ones?

The only problem is filling and keeping usage consistent. Our editors like to add it (which is totally fine, encouraging simple edits brings more editors), but they are often all over the price.

[languid kayak]

Part of the the issue is that I (and no one else beside Ksilem) never did update the site mainteneance for non-English pages, they should be listed as per https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Site_maintenance/tr (only listing the actual Turkish pages needed for improvements)

[languid kayak]

I think the items that no longer exists shouldn't be kept I guess? Just redirect to the matching items, I think I removed the old clothing ones and food ones eventually? But the problem is we kinda still have to support 41.78.16 for the mp (but we can cross the line at one point, if we manage to find equivalnts foe thr those items)

[proud cobalt]

Interesting. So you'd prefer remove the them rather than keep them as Obsolete?

[languid kayak]

The old items? I think, though if obsolete doesn't really cause troubles (we had the old items using old crafting template we couldn't really update easily), it can stay as such

[proud cobalt]

Yeah I think we'll keep B42 Crafting in sandbox till stable anyway. I'll mark as Obsolete for now and we can come back to it in stable. That way we have an easy way to find it, and it stays up for B41 mp

[proud cobalt]

I moved the angler trait and occupation and made a disambig page

Also updating item tag articles atm @digital helm

[digital helm]

Thanks. I hadn't gotten around to that yet

[proud cobalt]

Np, not doing templates rn though

[digital helm]

I can do them tomorrow if you don't end up doing them. Just getting back into things

[proud cobalt]

Sounds good, me too 😄

[serene sage]

working through improving the Hitz FM page, I have a feeling the last person who was here didn't realize that "Frankie" is an actual name 😄

nevermind I'm stupid

wait is 42.3.2 even a thing? isn't the current game on version 42.3.1?

uh oh

I've discovered that some of the older transcripts have their effects labeled while all of the new ones (along with some of the older ones) don't have the effects labeled

argh I have to go back for all of the articles

the VHS and CD articles also have the effect labeled

such is life as a wiki editor

[flint vapor]

Uuh no ?

[serene sage]

welp guess that's wrong then

[proud cobalt]

Which page was that?

Oh it's the current version template I think let me check

Done

[digital helm]

Here's the formatted radio output with the effects. Just doesn't have the person named

[serene sage]

thanks, very cool

[digital helm]

np, feel free to ask for an updated list any time

[digital helm]

We recently had @round flume ask us about making videos for the wiki. So I thought it would be a good time to put together a video policy, to act as a guide, and for something for us to fall back on in case things get out of hand. Since once people start seeing videos on the wiki, they may want to add their own.

I've also made a template to simulate an embedded video, which is just a link, but much better visually than just including a hyperlink. https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Video

Here's what I have for a policy. We can add, remove or modify anything

[round flume]

Excited to work with yall

[flint vapor]

Wait we can finally embed videos or was that always a thing lol ?

[digital helm]

We can't embed videos. {{Video}} just makes it look like an embedded video, but it's just a link

[flint vapor]

Hmm, it shows the video preview basically ?

[digital helm]

Yeah, it's just an image

It should make it easier to swap them out when we eventually can embed videos

[flint vapor]

Nice

[naive imp]

I think we may want to stay away from videos for the most part in my opinion, especially for locations.

In what ways do you think they'd be superior over a standard text article? Not arguing just want your thoughts on this

Personally I'm very skeptical but I'm notoriously skeptical of everything and hard to convince.

[slender wing]

anyone know where skills/perks are defined in the code?

im in media/lua/shared but theres a loooot in here so sifting through is taking a while

doesnt seem to be in the MainCreationMethods.lua file

[digital helm]

skills are defined in java in PerkFactory.class

[slender wing]

thank you!

[digital helm]

Accessibility mostly. It's a lot easier for some people to learn from a video than text. Also easier to explain and demonstrate some concepts or game mechanics

videos should never be used to replace text, but rather complement it

[slender wing]

[flint vapor]

Oh god

[slender wing]

i also found this lol

farmer occupation gets all the growing seasons except hemp lmao

I want to reference general animal leather, how can I make this so? right now, the three different types (large, medium, small) are separated into three different tags, and then each animal breed has a page for leather.

should there be a general page for animal leather?

i guess because theres also a whole todo with processing leather, that might be the right move. but let me know yalls thoughts

[proud cobalt]

Yes the tanning skill or whatever its called would have all of that on its page

[slender wing]

oh wait lol is tanning a future skill? or is it part of butchering

also sorry if dumb question. but how do i edit this auto-generated table

[proud cobalt]

Uhh fair question, tanning doesnt give any xp atm. I assumed it would have its own skill but might not. We definitely need information on the wiki about the tanning process

[proud cobalt]

You shouldn't need to, why?

[slender wing]

ah, im just making the glassmaking page rn and this table is only on the crucible page. id like to put something similar in the glassmaking page to show what the player can craft

but i'd want to change it so it isnt focused on the crucible being the ingredient if that makes sense

[slender wing]

will do! i messed around with tanning in my game so ill write some stuff up when I have time.

actually now that I'm looking at other skills, maybe that belongs in a separate Glassmaking_(crafting) page

[proud cobalt]

Oh a table per skill/category would be a good idea, ill add it to my todo whiteboard. The recipes themself are autogenerated now, but actually using the template you can do.

This is kind of janky, but use this file, search for any recipes that use glassmaking, and add the name value. For example

            "name": "MakeGlassJar",
            "inputs": [
                {
                    "index": 1,
                    "mode": "Keep",
                    "tags": [
                        "Pliers"
                    ]
                },
                {
                    "index": 1,
                    "mode": "Keep",
                    "items": [
                        "Base.GlassBlowingPipe"
                    ]
                },
                {
                    "index": 1,
                    "items": [
                        "Base.CeramicCrucibleWithGlass"
                    ]
                }
            ],
            "outputs": [
                {
                    "index": 1,
                    "items": [
                        "Base.EmptyJar"
                    ]
                }
            ],
            "timedAction": "Craft_Glassmaking",
            "time": "100",
            "Tags": [
                "AnySurfaceCraft",
                "Glassmaking"
            ],
            "category": "Glassmaking",
            "needToBeLearn": "true",
            "SkillRequired": "Glassmaking:5",
            "AutoLearnAny": "Glassmaking:6",
            "xpAward": "Glassmaking:75"
        },```
This uses glassmaking so we take the name value and call the template like this
```{{Crafting/sandbox
|MakeGlassJar
}}```
Then add a new line for each new recipe
```{{Crafting/sandbox
|MakeGlassJar
|MakeGlassJar2
|MakeGlassJar3
}}```

[slender wing]

ah perfect

i will mess around with that

[proud cobalt]

Yeah you can call any recipe you want, i thought you wanted to edit the recipes themselves

[proud cobalt]

The (crafting) pages usually hold all the recipes, we do have a slight issue when trying to display many recipes. Its a wiki side issue we're waiting for an upgrade to fix

[slender wing]

gotcha

not many glassmaking recipes atm but i will keep that in mind for the future

[proud cobalt]

Same for any recipe, you can call anything so long as its a recipe in the list. Here's the link to the B42 recipe list, but it is not very human friendly.

https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Template:Recipe_list/sandbox&action=edit

[slender wing]

thanks sm for your help :-)

[proud cobalt]

Np, lmk if you need any other help with recipes or otherwise

[proud cobalt]

Are you Marmarkaroo?

[slender wing]

yes i am!

[proud cobalt]

Ahh makes sense. Nice work, the starts of the new skill pages look good

[slender wing]

thank you!!

i was fueled by me playing with the new skills and trying to find info and realizing it wasnt there lol

[proud cobalt]

Yeah i think it's on many of our to do lists, but there's a lot going on atm. Glad someone was able to get to it 😄

[fallen wren]

patch notes checks out

u need certain level to get research craft

some others dont need lvls

some can give multiple recipes in varying levels, in theory you could definitely get all if not most recipes even if you have illiterate trait

now where does the item code is stored to check more of this

ok so its data is indeed in the items, and since it is, wouldnt it be better to do like, the same thing to how the data was generated on the site?

[proud cobalt]

Not sure what you mean by that? That looks easy to add though. A new subsection of usage called research with a list of the translated recipe names. @digital helm @languid kayak?

[fallen wren]

well i dont handle that part of the site so

what i find a bit interesting about this research craft system

[digital helm]

Could do that. Could also add it to the crafting section of the infobox, and have it start collapsed so it doesn't end up too long

The most I can find is 6 recipes for a single item

[fallen wren]

the research crafts are only researchable 2 lvls down of a certain skill

so to get garden fork recipe u need lvl 3 carpentry, same applies to other recipes that need skill lvls

[languid kayak]

I think so, yeah

[fallen wren]

noticed some recipes and items that no longer exist that are on wiki but no longer in game, i dunno if it has been updated to 42.3 yet

[proud cobalt]

Which recipes? Do they say B41 or B42 above the recipes?

[fallen wren]

b42 recipes

one of the recipes i found thats not available/didnt see in crafting is this one

[proud cobalt]

It has been updated to 42.3.1 now, but the recipe still exists in the game

Still lots of translations missing even for English

[naive imp]

Echo Creek done 🎉

I wish it was done earlier

[digital helm]

Funny you mention. Just fixed a bug in the parser using the item id instead of DisplayName because there's no translation

[fallen wren]

so it exist still but you cant access it, hmm

[proper depot]

How to get milk? I found a cow, and then what? Do you need a pumped skill or what?

The same with rams, I found a razor, but what and how is not clear, there is no craut in the menu, there is nothing to click on the animal either

Wikipedia doesn't say

[flint vapor]

Wikipedia ? 😭

[proper depot]

Pz wiki

[flint vapor]

This channel is not here for help on the game tho

I'd suggest asking in #pz_b42_chat

[languid kayak]

but yeah, no one really documented animals properly yet. I didn't play enough with animals either and I think neither did Vail and Calvy did. Someone added some info about rabbits and that's all plus minor bits and bobs from before

[naive imp]

@digital helm Do you know if wiki.gg wiki use the same MediaWiki software as we do? I'd assume so, the interface looks similar, bur I'm unfamiliar with that type of thing. Could be useful for inspiration on how to attack issues we haven't solved yet

[slender wing]

am working on the farm animals part, i created the occupation and skill page but my save almost exploded with a cow dupe bug so there have been some setbacks lol

[flint vapor]

Why not do it in debug mode ?

[slender wing]

i couldn’t even get to the area with my cows in debug lol but i had it set up to look nice on my save for screenshots for the wiki so ill have to replicate that again

it’s not too hard to put together in debug just need the time

[digital helm]

Yeah wiki.gg uses MediaWiki. Did you have any specific issues in mind?

[proud cobalt]

They do but they have a much bigger tech team than we do (Kirrus)

[slender wing]

anyone having issues spawning in new crafting objects like furnace, grindstone, loom, etc. in debug mode?

i cant seem to get it to work

nvm, figured it out haha. was trying to spawn them from the wrong menu

[naive imp]

@proud cobalt would it be possible to use CalvyBot with a find/replace script to remove all instances of dismantling furniture gaining Carpentry and metalworking xp from all locstion pages? There's quite a lot.

Also, could you use a similar script to stick {{reupload}} on all b41 locations with a reason of "Update any location screenshots to the build 42 location refresh as needed"?

I'd do it myself but you're the code-man lol

[naive imp]

Not particularly, but something to keep in mind. Thanks.

[proud cobalt]

I'd need an example, and do they all say the same thing?

And yeah seems doable

[naive imp]

Roughly

Holup a sec

[proud cobalt]

Roughly wont really work

It can do exact matches

[naive imp]

They all contain the same basic phrase yes

At least liken95 percent of them do

[naive imp]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Burgers

Here's one

Most of them contain a phrase like that. I think I have a solution though

Instead of just removing the whole phrase, could we take our "for Carpentry experience" and just leave it as "can be dismantled"?

Bc they do still give scrap materials

god including that was a STUPID idea

[proud cobalt]

I can remove the phrase for [[carpentry]] experience but it cant check that the sentences still make sense. It's probably better as a manual task

[naive imp]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-america-damn-it-not-again-darn-it-really-gif-17109726

After I just went through all of them like 2 other times

Oh BOY lol