pzwiki_editing

[proud cobalt]

Yeah I never found a good method of stitching them automatically

[proud cobalt]

I was hoping the upgrade to generators would mean different radius, being able to have two circuits, different fuel consumption. But nope

[flat sun]

i think it must be a future feature

for example they've been given differing ConditionLowerChanceOneIns but they don't even read that property

[proud cobalt]

Wait is it not var4 what are they reading with the last line?

    if ((int)GameTime.getInstance().getWorldAgeHours() != this.lastHour) {
        int var1 = (int)GameTime.getInstance().getWorldAgeHours() - this.lastHour;
        float var2 = 0.0F;
        int var3 = 0;
        int var4 = 30; // Default condition lower chance value

        // Overwrite var4 based on the generator type
        if (this.getModData().rawget("generatorFullType") != null && this.getModData().rawget("generatorFullType") instanceof String) {
            String var5 = (String)this.getModData().rawget("generatorFullType");
            if (var5 != null && ScriptManager.instance.getItem(var5) != null) {
                Item var6 = ScriptManager.instance.getItem(var5);
                var4 = var6.getConditionLowerChance();
            }
        } ```

[flat sun]

shit, you're right 😅

i didn't even think to check that, i just checked if it was added to the item instance, which it isn't, they just read it from the script here

[proud cobalt]

"Look at me, I'm the modder now"

[languid kayak]

yeah, the straightened (pretty much exclusively by sharp, minus one logo at the moment) are https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Straightened_logos

The ones from the game (some are old unused versions though, like Windows by mistake instead of Window and Sharpshooter) – more will need to be cut from flyers are https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Recreated_logos

There are recreated logos by @digital helm pretty much on https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:User_recreated_logos too – these were made from scratch based on the regular logos

Finally there are logos from billboards too, taxi (currently just Spiffo's uploaded) and there are logos as vans (not uploaded yet) and t-shirt decals (low quality), see https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Logos for all the logos (tht category includes them all, including third party services and TIS logos too)

That'd be https://pzwiki.net/wiki/TileZed material I;d say, so far I pinned it

There's a rough guide by Pohly floating around in the wiki talk pages ttoo, was never put properly on the wiki

There was one user who did them all before, but they were really sloppy, as Pohly only showed GIMP tutorial for straigthenieng

I have a video saved, but no on this computer, let me see, maybe I can find it though

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User_talk:Pohly

The video in question was it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29ZULSS6gvk

[languid kayak]

There should be a way though, as game uses it kinda

[lucid junco]

Still didn't recover from logos by The one that shall not be named

If you upload anything of this quality I will personally send you to court for insult towards humanity

[wooden tinsel]

Ahah

I think I am misunderstanding something on wiki, I updated Hodgett's logo but it doesn't change on the page

[proud cobalt]

It can take up to 48 hours

Image caching on the wiki

[wooden tinsel]

Okay thanks, I was wondering if I had to do something else

[lucid junco]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Hodgett_Farm_Area.png @wooden tinsel
Uuuh

This is a bad screenshot in a couple of reasons

1)POI should not be visible
2)Since its an "overview" shot, it should be taken with highest level/layer. Or in other words roofs should be visible

Id also personally take a photo of the entire area that is presumably a part of the location/business

Other notes on the overall page:

1. Comments, marked with <!--[[Comment]]--> should be removed from the final page
   2)Empty elements should be removed untill there is something to fill them in with

3)|thumb|center]] after images in infobox is not required, you can just leave them as |logo=Hodgett farm sign.png

4)Hodget farm is in Doe valley, not Fallas lake. Fallas lake(In circle) is a small town in the region of Doe Valley(In the red border)

So in the end of the page, location should include {{ll|Category:[[Region/Town]]}}
(This case:{{ll|Category:Doe Valley}})

[hushed bobcat]

Can we have the ImageMap extension? So then we could use an image like the spawning map and on top of it, on each city/town location, put the link to the corresponding page. We could even go crazy later on and use it on each city/town page to pinpoint POI (or just major areas like neighbors if all POIs end up being too much). Wdyt?

[clear ravine]

Hey @proud cobalt, what's the reason for {{{2|Effect}}} or {{lc:{{{2|Effect}}}}} in these lines (in Template: Infobox item):
(| effect_range = {{{2|Effect}}} range
| effect_range_tooltip = Radius of the {{lc:{{{2|Effect}}}}})?
Why not write "Effect"?
I looked at some Items who use this and I didn't understand it.

[gusty plume]

.

[wooden tinsel]

Thanks for your remarks, i left comments and empty categories because i didn't finish the page and i wanted to keep these comments to guide me through the creation 🙂

And sure, my mistake about region and screenshot

[gusty plume]

Привет

[lucid junco]

Id recommend slapping {{Improve}} next time

Makes it more obvious that the page isnt finished so shouldnt be reviewed that harshly as I did

[wooden tinsel]

Didn't know it existed ^^

Alright 🙂

[lime drum]

yo idk of the person who made it is here but will the site that contains a live map of the entire county eventually be updated to v42?

[dry robin]

https://b42map.com/

[lime drum]

awesome, thanks man

really helpful cause I couldn't find it anywhere else

was this made like the other day?

I searched for several days but couldn't find anything like it

[dry robin]

I think Cal made it.. about a week and a bit ago now?

[lime drum]

gotcha

well its super handy

also I gotta say, I didn't realize the military research base got a massive expansion until I explored it due to the week one mod

dude its bigger on the inside

[dry robin]

Yep, don't forget the depth and heights now too

[lime drum]

yep

I had a funny convo the other day about it actually in one of the other channels

found it funny there were so many doors between each flight of stairs

but dude the map is insane in size and detail

[dry robin]

Yep! Keep an eye on the Wiki for information and such, they are working very hard now to get onto B42 info and it's coming along great

[lime drum]

what is this building?

noticed it near the top right end of the map

looks kinda like a fort of some kind

[dry robin]

It's an old western style fort, they'd pop up during the american expasnion through the to the west as it was easy to prop up, easy to defend and be a focus point of trade, military actions and supplying

[lime drum]

ohhhh ok

I didn't recognize it as that cause you would usually see stuff like that more frequently out further west

[flat sun]

it's been there since the end of b41, i really thought they would've connected it properly to the rest of the map by now

[dry robin]

Considering where it is, it looks like it's more of those type of tourist attractions. So a fake made one for shows and education

[lime drum]

I'm just wondering if they'll add in fort knox or something like that

[dry robin]

I think they spoke about that once, right?

[lime drum]

idk

saw like one mention of it somewhere a while ago

[flat sun]

yeah it's coming eventually

they even have assets for it already

[lime drum]

cool

[lucid junco]

They will add it upon implementing npc's

[dry robin]

That's what I thought, I remember reading it. They wanted to save it for a sort of raid event, right?

[lucid junco]

They've explicitly said that somewhere in Thursdoids

[lucid junco]

I dont remember

[lucid junco]

Its fort knox! 1!1!1!!1!

https://tenor.com/view/boom-explode-explosions-gif-17468299

https://tenor.com/view/explosion-green-screen-crash-gif-24396972

More likely that its some unused historical site that devs didn't implement, but didn't let go of assets yet

[dry robin]

Considering Fort Knox can be made by copy pasting that and twisting it 45 degress.. it wouldn't surprise me if that was the idea. Copy paste and insert then tidy up. But then decided to save it for later

[lime drum]

lol

isn't fort knox completely different in design though?

[lucid junco]

Im curious how they will implement the interior now lol

Fort knox is a highly secured facility and dont think its interior is out to public

[dry robin]

It's not no, but there's plenty of film versions and show versions, so they'll most likley take the most common

[lucid junco]

"We've stolen secret blueprints from the US government to recreate fort knox in pz!"

[dry robin]

That'd be one HELL of a 1.0 release xD

[lucid junco]

No need to steal anything though, we can just bait war thunder community to leak them

[lime drum]

knowing how the US military works with design of things, it probably will be oddly simple like a really big warehouse with lots of really specific anti-burglery tech installed on the roof beams and entry points

[dry robin]

That got me, ngl xD

[lime drum]

I'm wondering how many times the company behind war thunder has had to settle issues with the US army and the tendency for it to be the platform of choice to leak classified documents

[quartz bear]

I love the mental gymnastics involved just to try and justify pz's world building

[lime drum]

also why does this county have sooooo many military posts and checkpoints, and I'm not talking about the ones that are just a bunch of tents and can be set up in like 24h, I mean the ones that look like they would have taken at least a few weeks to construct, I live in a state with a major military base and even near it there aren't this many checkpoints and stations

like its just funny how many there are

[dry robin]

Starndard containment protocol most likely in the event of an ourbreak, or attack. Checkpoints create chokeholds, slow down movements of enemy forces and allow you to direct the flow of bnattle

[lucid junco]

Pz is a great game with absolutely no flaws with devs and community

[lime drum]

I mean yeah but the thing that makes it feel like its not quite that is the overall layout of them gives way to a design intention around them having been their prior to the outbreak and likely something permanent for security

[flat sun]

are there many in the new areas? (i haven't seen too much of them)

[lucid junco]

Nothing happened with good community translations on B42 Iwbums release

[flat sun]

otherwise i don't think there's that many?

[lucid junco]

Not really

The only new checkpoint is Bruhdenburg bridge

[flat sun]

in fairness most of them were horribly unfinished

[lucid junco]

And expanded lv checkpoint

[lucid junco]

I will fight to death that new professional translation is worse that what we had

And i did in #translations

[lime drum]

ehhhhhh that closely together across general roads and not places that simply just need contained security perimeters would be something you'd more likely see in an invaded territory to prevent the enemy from traveling as easily without being noticed

[flat sun]

it doesn't really affect me so i'll trust you on the quality, but there were definitely languages that just didn't have a nearly complete community translation to begin with

[lucid junco]

So have tastless professional translation for those languages

Not the one that gor a lot of development that devs ignored

[lime drum]

I gotta give the devs credit for the scale of the map and overall layout

[flat sun]

i'm trying to think of where military installations are, there's the big louisville camp but that seems pretty hastily made, and then i can only think of march ridge being a military town and there's a barracks in the woods somewhere, and the secret base of course

[lime drum]

feels like a one to one of my own area in almost every way

[lucid junco]

There are more temporary installations and blockades in lore

Pretty much every highway and roads were blocked

[lime drum]

duuuude this updated map is amazing

soooo many buildings I can explore and check out now

[serene sage]

Project Zomboid's gonna be the next War Thunder

[dry robin]

Please do not give the zomboid commuity ideas xD

[serene sage]

no, they'll for sure leak the floor plans in the server and push the devs to have all the bathrooms in the correct spots

realism is one hell of a drug

[dry robin]

That's my worry, as they go to B48 which is is the polishing update.
The entire communityy will just be scouring the map and complaing about the mini details xD

[serene sage]

I've noticed that the devs, although they have done a glow up of the map, have still left some B41 map problems in B42

like this mailbox right on the pavement still exists

[dry robin]

I know from experience of working back in the day with Hammer on Source maps, I used to just slowly work my way through and knock out the entire map first and then go through and fix smaller errors. Make sure it flowed rihgt, had the textures and no texture mapping right etc, then go back and make smaller adjustments.

So this is likely the case, those small detailswill be done in B48 with the polishing

[serene sage]

guess I'll have to live with these map errors for the rest of my life

I do wonder how large the vanilla map will be by that point though

one time on Reddit I read about someone's dream of being able to drive from Louisville to Nashville

that's never happening

[dry robin]

You've not even make it out of Louis without breaking your car xD

[serene sage]

Lexington is probably the furthest the devs could reasonable go, assuming after Fort Knox they only expand out to the west past LV

Lexington seems like a pretty fun city to have in PZ, I like the idea of being able to drive around in a large loop

[flint vapor]

Is there an image width limit we should impose ourselves on the wiki ?

Turns out that fucking debug tool was here since the release
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Imgui

[lime drum]

interesting

man I just found mildraugh on the map, surprisingly its actually pretty close to fort knox

if not literally right next to

weirdly enough there are a surprising amount of military installations pretty much within the boundaries of Louisville

[proud cobalt]

To be honest probably not, we're waiting on some other pretty vital extensions right now like scribuntu

[proud cobalt]

It's MediaWiki code for defaults and translation, keep it formatted like that and just translate the words

[proud cobalt]

Omg hammer you just brought back some awful memories of high school

[dry robin]

You are welcome >:D!
Let me give you more, HOSTIES!
God the map design for them was horrible and the amount of times I ended up ripping those apart and remaing them .. UGH

[hushed bobcat]

Question for devs(?, or at least anyone with more usa road knowledge than me):
Are we sure that those two question marks are really KY 60? Looking at the mileage in the map, the blue one (KY 163) probably start on Brandenburg, with means that the blue question mark is probably KY 163 instead of KY 60. Another indication of that is the purple line, that shows that the mileage of the KY 60 starts in the intersection of 163 (north of waverly hills sanatory). Then, that would probably indicate that the red one (KY 79) probably doesn't end on Brandenburg, but instead, continues over the bridge to Indiana (as by the real Brandenburg). So, something is weird, it's the mileage or the labels of the roads, or just my understanding on how usa name their roads 😄

I'm inclined to say that the mileage are the ones that are probably incorrect, given the type of road in-game we find on those. That intersection where the purple one is pointing looks like this, which looks way more as if the KY 60 was coming from Brandenburg, 2 lanes each direction, then there is the intersection with 1 lane each direction. If that is really the case, then 1) the labels are different from the real Kentucky (NABD, things are different), 2) the mileage marked on the map is not 100% accurate (NABD, we can easily calculate it with a ruler), and 3) maybe some of those road overlap, but then we will need to determine (without an official source) where the concurrency starts and ends

[digital helm]

Not really. We use thumb for most images, which makes it float right, with a caption. It'll also resize for mobile.
E.g. [[File:Inventory.png|400px|thumb|right|Example inventory of Malony Jenkins]]

Otherwise, you can use class=res-img if you want it as part of the content. This will make it resize based on screen size.
E.g. [[File:Inventory.png|class=res-img]]

[flint vapor]

Oh...

I've never heard about that thumb thing

I used center

[digital helm]

Because the imgui image is so large, if you use thumb you could also use link={{filepath:Imgui_exampleUI.png}} which'll link directly to the image's filepath in its full resolution, not scaled. I.e. links to here https://pzwiki.net/w/images/8/84/Imgui_exampleUI.png

[flint vapor]

How do I use that ? As an argument in the image ?

[digital helm]

Yeah

so [[File:Inventory.png|link={{filepath:Imgui_exampleUI.png}}]]

[flint vapor]

Lol wait let me reduce its size

I'll have to see if it looks good when the page gets more informations, but rn this doesn't look great where it's placed

[digital helm]

mediawiki has a good guide on images, if you wanted to play around with it https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Images

[jolly crow]

Hey, is there a way to check if someone's uploaded, say, a new image for in-game Muldraugh?

Like, it's possible someone uploaded "muldraugh_b42.png"

[digital helm]

You can search https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Special:Search&profile=images&search=&fulltext=1 otherwise you'll have to just look for it on a page it might be on, or in this category https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Location_images

[jolly crow]

Thanks

Hey, would you guys consider Louisville Airport as part of Louisville, or it's own thing?
Additionally, should we call it "Louisville Airport," "Louisville International Airport," or "LV Airport International?"
More importantly, should we include the airport in the image for Louisville.png?

[hushed bobcat]

Googling the real one, looks like it's called "Louisville International Airport", so I would suggest go with that. Dedicated page? Totally

[jolly crow]

I mean, it's definitely getting its own page, but do we list it as a location inside Louisville?

[hushed bobcat]

Looking for precedents, Muldraugh lists the Railyard, in their locations, but the image (the thumb) doesn't, given how "far" it is

[digital helm]

Mostly done with all the literature items (and others with custom titles), listing all of their titles. All listed in the variants section
Hardcover - https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Book
Paperback - https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Paperback
Leatherbound - https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Leatherbound_Book
Hollow - https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Book_(hollow)
Magazine - https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Magazine
Comic - https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Comic_Book
Catalog - https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Catalog
RPG Manual - https://pzwiki.net/wiki/RPG_Manual
Dog Tag (pet) - https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Dog_Tag
Schematic - https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Schematic_(disambiguation)
Recipe - https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Recipe
And a nice long "book" disambiguation page https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Book_(disambiguation) (incomplete)

The only other ones with custom titles are: Newspapers (mostly set up), Business Cards, Lockets, Doodle and Post Cards

[proud cobalt]

Solid effort damn

I just found the old league wiki links to models like this. It skips the need for complicated add-ons. Though does require hosting. Possibly a chance they host something like this for us?

https://modelviewer.lol/model-viewer?id=498028

[digital helm]

Probably. So is it just a link to the webpage?

As in, we'd just link to the model. Not have the model itself viewable on the wiki

[proud cobalt]

Yeah a link that says view model in 3D and links to the page

[digital helm]

If we can get something basic set up, we can ask Kirrus

I just wouldn't know where to start with something like that

[proud cobalt]

I have a couple days off. I might see if I can get a proof of concept. Though I'd really like to get some more work done on recipes

[digital helm]

These things take longer than we expect 😄 this literature stuff has taken me all week...

This would be pretty cool to have for characters too. Especially once NPCs come around

[digital helm]

How do we feel about reworking the Bags page to be a Container page (for items) instead? It matches the in-game category, and there's a lot more variation with containers now, i.e. not just bags. We have things like hollow books, photo albums, box, wallets, ammo containers, cookie jar, and key rings. Also, each container item can have specific items that can go in it. E.g. Dog tag can go in the wallet, or on a key ring. This is going to make it a helluvalot easier to automate, keep updated, and organised.

Also, "back" items are no longer just bags either. We have the SCBA, sprayers, hydration packs and manpack radio. So I think we should keep "Back" items with clothing, and "Container" items on this Container/Bag page. @proud cobalt @languid kayak

I'm planning on looking at these next

Fluid containers would be separate https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Fluid_container

[quartz bear]

xayah...,

[naive imp]

I think having a dedicated bags page would also be useful. A lot of readers would be looking for just bags.

So maybe split off bags into another page from the rest of containers?

[naive imp]

I would say so, yeah.

[digital helm]

The idea was to combine them all, and just rename the page. As far as the game is concerned, bags and containers are the same thing. It doesn't discriminate between bag and non-bag, it's just "container". The wearable ones would be in their own section, just as they are now, and the non-wearable ones would be organised better, and likely with other/similar new containers.

[naive imp]

Thats definitely a good way to go about it was just offering an alternative perspective

How would be organize them though?

By purpose? Inventory size?

[digital helm]

I'd have to look at them more. But likely by their tags

Bags would still be redirected there, and likely mentioned in the page, so it can still be found easily

I'll play around with generating a list of them, so we can see what we actually have to work with

@serene sage @languid kayak some more lore for Judge Matt Hass
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Photograph_of_Judge_Matt_Hass_(Autographed)
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Paperback_(hass)#Titles these are also listed are political books https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Paperback_(politics)#Titles

Apparently there's also (going to be?) a set for him at the Triple N studio, but I couldn't find it.

Also funny that one of the only places to find a racy photo is at the Woodcraft set 😄 https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Photograph_(racy)#Titles

[digital helm]

Realised the "Hass" paperback should be moved to be capitalised

[jolly crow]

Fun fact, the real airport's been renamed after Muhammad Ali back in 2019

[serene sage]

damn he has his own paperback variant

[flint vapor]

So problem here is that I made the page about custom sandbox options for mods, but the vanilla sandbox option page is named "Custom Sandbox"
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Sandbox_options

[proud cobalt]

Yeah i think its neccesary tbh. We have a load more standard containers. Bags should probably be included in that, with a redirect.
Back items being clothing instead of containers makes the most sense.

[proud cobalt]

Thats so on brand

[proud cobalt]

You added an about tag so i think its fine, i might just clarify it a bit

[flint vapor]

Or overall the pages names should be swapped in a way

[tulip kiln]

Does this mean that if you can beat the shit out of every staff member of that airport in a brawl, your ticket gets upgraded to first class for free?

[digital helm]

I think the current names are good. The vanilla page is named after the in-game option, whereas the modding one matches the Java class

[flint vapor]

Uh, the page I made is not about the java class

[flat sun]

to me, in an ideal world both should probably refer to the existing page - custom sandbox is the gamemode, and sandbox options are the options it gives you access to (and the only thing the gamemode does) - but then the modded ones would have to be called 'custom sandbox options' which would be even more confusing than it already is 😭

[digital helm]

Also doesn't help that the first and only level 2 heading on the custom sandbox page is "sandbox options". The page only has sandbox options 😄

[quartz bear]

My main before I quit thanks to VGK

Eternals series 1 and skin 😭

[proud cobalt]

Dw they gutted her and the rest of ADCs

[quartz bear]

Yeah, friend told me

Good for him, he's a top laner 😔

[pulsar otter]

where can the dates for magazine variants be found in the files?

[digital helm]

In SpecialItemData_Magazines.lua under SpecialLootSpawns.MagazineDetails

[pulsar otter]

tysm

[digital helm]

The logic is in SpecialLootSpawns.lua in SpecialLootSpawns.OnCreateMagazine3

[pulsar otter]

thanks

[digital helm]

np

[digital helm]

Finally got around to fixing this 😅 I've given the location toggle box a minimum width of 546px, then it'll clear and move below the infobox

[digital helm]

Really outdid myself with this intro

[proud cobalt]

https://tenor.com/view/think-about-it-use-your-brain-use-the-brain-think-brain-gif-7914082

[proud cobalt]

Oh nice, better than never

[regal vine]

uh, turkeys are in the game currently

[proud cobalt]

Hasn't been created yet

[primal remnant]

(fun fact. You can spawn raccoons in debug, but I don't think they spawn naturally rn)

[regal vine]

also would I be good to update the Key Ring page with b42 stuff or is that a no

[digital helm]

Should be good to update anything to b42. Just keep in mind the "Key Ring" is just about the plain Key Ring

[tulip kiln]

My plans with raccoons are to exterminate them. Since trash cans have such a better loot pool now, I can't afford those bastards scavenging all the good shit before me

[digital helm]

The variants will be created later

Never mind, the variants are created

[regal vine]

yeah noticed that

was considering having a section on the main Key Ring page listing & linking to all the variants to make navigation easier

[digital helm]

yeah, we use a "Variants" section for that https://pzwiki.net/wiki/T-shirt_-_Music_(rock)#Variants
And this template https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Item_list

[digital helm]

More businesses https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Business_Card#Businesses

[languid kayak]

It is pinned in the site notice btw 😄

[languid kayak]

PZ is already conntected to Pentangon leaks, so what's a difference? 🤷 https://www.reddit.com/r/projectzomboid/comments/12lmjq9/project_zomboid_just_made_it_into_an/

[flint vapor]

lol

[languid kayak]

Not sure if it was addressed, but seems like something to forward through @thin cloud I guess? (not really his department, but seems the closest)

[languid kayak]

I like how you literally took the example out of one of the most outdated image on the wiki 😄 (unless you updated it recently)

[languid kayak]

yeah, but if it's more of a region or business 🤔 Pinging @naive imp and @lucid junco for ideas

[languid kayak]

definitely, the bags naming was unfortunate

[languid kayak]

Though "bags" as is was never a thing kinda. We had backpacks mostly and initially they were plastic/garbage/tote bags that were then, but then it expanded to things like first aid kit, sewing kit, toolbox etc.

[languid kayak]

yeah, saw them 🙂

[digital helm]

Remember when it was called "Baggage"? And the article for it was just a category 😄

[languid kayak]

true lol

[languid kayak]

oh wait, it's https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Item_list#Bag – but still, no problem with it being a cubcategory of containers

Unless while at it we want to somehow rename this again 😄 https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Containers

[digital helm]

Huh, you're right. I'm probably still stuck in the pre-DisplayCategory days 😄

weird that a lot of those are labelled as bags though

[digital helm]

I was actually planning on that... something like "Container (furniture)". I think items should take priority, personally

[digital helm]

The separation between Bag and Container makes no sense. We have "Tote Bag" and "Plastic Bag" in Container, but "Ammunition Box" and "Basket" in Bag 😄 Might just have to wing it, and do my own thing.

We'll keep the "wearbale" ones together, I think

[languid kayak]

Maybe something to forward for devs though, once we categorize it ourselves. Some items are plain wrongly categoriezed TBF

[proud cobalt]

I mean we do our best to stay with the games categories, but we have to make some concessions sometimes

[languid kayak]

and we alreadyd had to do that in b41

[lucid junco]

Yes

Id make it a region

But also include the main airport as a part of the section (?)

[naive imp]

Idk I'd say it's more of a location

When I think region I think like town or something

Or Doe Valley

Definitely a big location but idk if it's that big yk?

What do you think @hushed bobcat?

BTW thx for your work on locations, I'm project leader

I was super violently sick so you doing the initial echo creek table really helped out, just filling in and formatting suff now 😀

[lucid junco]

Its like Dixie mobile park and Crossroads mall combined

[naive imp]

We do still count the Mall as just a location tho

Both actually and the grand Ohio is bigger

[rotund echo]

Grand Ohio seems bigger

But meanwhile Crossroads have more zombies lol

Grand Ohio is ehh not so bad

[lucid junco]

I mean, airport is both a large building with multiple businesses within it

And a lot of business within the fenced off area

[languid kayak]

Crossroads and GOM are the edge cases yeah. Maybe those should be changed to "Regions" kinda?

Wouldn't it aid with the confusion of having to categorize them both @naive imp?

To me both malls are of similar situation as Fallas Lake (which is a region, as it's named town, but belongs to Doe Valley), or maybe the mobile parks (Scenic Gove and Dixie Mobile park, or even things like Dixie Highway including parts of Muldraugh or Dixie area

[naive imp]

Well I think fallas lake is more it's own thing not Doe Valley now

Since that we've got the name officially recognized

[naive imp]

Tbh I think that the grand Ohio Mall and Crossroads Mall are good to have as locations but then they have their own categories

Bc they're so big they're kinda like both

Maybe we do airport the same way

[languid kayak]

probably yeah, whatever we decide it shouldbe the same as crossroads relation to valley station or grand ohio mall to lv

[naive imp]

Imo the whole reason they have separate categories is bc they have lots of other businesses in them

And they have categories based in where they are and whatnot

[rotund echo]

I guess the airport could be considered its own region

Looking at it, it looks so huge, and is also fairly isolated compared to the rest of the Louisville

[flint vapor]

How to make cells in a table have equal sizes ?

[hushed bobcat]

Is it big? Sure, it's the nature of an airport to be large and spread. But I don't think it contains that many different types of rooms and internal locations. There is a gigantic (and empty) warehouse, a large area from hall and so on. At least yet, it just a large area

[flint vapor]

Do you guys have a better idea for a readable list of events than these

[lucid junco]

It is big

Both the main building and the overall area

[hushed bobcat]

Did we uploaded already all the fliers image? I'm seeing that some of those business fliers contain and address there (like the one on The Rusty Rifle, 820 dixie highway). My plan is, to check if it's possible to determine street names and eventually post a town map with the street names

[lucid junco]

Rough sketch

My handwriting is awful

[lucid junco]

Yes I did

And we do have that idea in mind

Its as big as March Ridge and Rosewood

[serene sage]

whose Jake and whose Hannah?

this is the first time we've got names for people in the transcript but there's no indication on who's who

[naive imp]

Yeah but I don't think there's enough of actual different areas and variety to determine its a region

The amz steel plant is pretty big too I'd consider that a location

Page wip btw

[naive imp]

I mean yeah but Muldraugh's railyard is huge too and isolated that's a location

Idk this is kinda a gray area

[jolly crow]

Has anyone else seen the toilet brush holder texture hiding in the world map texture files?

ProjectZomboid\media\textures\worldMap

[flint vapor]

uh

[jolly crow]

I just added every flier in the game to the gallery on the flier page in the wiki: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Flier

I DID NOT add a single file to the wiki. I was only sourcing what already existed. Going through file uploads was annoying, but I'm thankful for people like @lucid junco and LethalCitizen for uploading some of them in a big chunk. We might be missing the Stuart & Log flier. I can't seem to find it.

[digital helm]

Best to wrap the list in a div with the class list-columns. It'll display it in as many columns as will fit.
E.g.

<div class="list-columns">
* List here
</div>

This will automatically be 3 columns with a pre-set column width and max width.

You can modify the widths like this:
style="column-width:450px; max-width:1500px;"

So:

<div class="list-columns" style="column-width:450px; max-width:1500px;">

[digital helm]

We avoid setting a width for columns as it causes issues with smaller displays. If you have to, should always use a percentage. I.e. style="width:25%"

[flint vapor]

Alright I'll try that thx

[digital helm]

Looks great! I was looking at parsing a list of all the fliers along with their map coordinates last night. So hopefully I can add that soon too

[digital helm]

Note street names are still a bit of a wip #pzwiki_editing message
You can find the fliers in their category https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Flier_images
Or @jolly crow has also just added them to the fliers page https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Flier

[hushed bobcat]

I gonna see what I can compile, and share it here later

[jolly crow]

I do not recommend bothering with street names in the wiki. Pat confirmed that they're meaningless. You could find fliers that use different names for the same street.

[languid kayak]

I wouldn't say they're "meaningless", just all weren't added yet and weren't mapped. Compiling that list now would show these inconsistencies too.

[flint vapor]

That looks great !

[naive imp]

I kinda agree with them tbh. They aren't much use and I haven't seen navigable street signs in game

[languid kayak]

When bumping moodle to recent version, I noticed we have this since 2011 https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Morale&oldid=547 – does that mean morale was implemented and is obsolete now? Pinging @proud cobalt in case you stumbled on this with the old versions?

[proud cobalt]

I've seen the wiki page but not the actual moodle

[flat sun]

i'm pretty sure it's never actually been in the game

[tulip kiln]

I'd have to imagine Morale was just what they called the unhappiness moodle back then or something?

Because it doesn't sound too different

[flat sun]

it is technically true that you do gain/lose morale from certain actions and that morale eventually affects sanity but these are just internal numbers that don't do anything

[languid kayak]

Same with https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Sanity&oldid=421

IIRC there was a sanity slider in debug mode though for some time

[kind sphinx]

"Morale can be increased by killing zombies" were all survivors in early builds violence lovers

i mean I have fun killing zombies

[digital helm]

A bit like the phone numbers imo. Vaguely interesting to some, but not really helpful in any way

[flat sun]

that's what i mean, the stats technically do exist, but they aren't indicated anywhere and don't do anything

[languid kayak]

I'm mostly curious about whether to label them as {{Obsolete}} (meaning they were present), or {{Future}}, which assume they are in the files but were never implemented (though future currently is fuzzy, as it might be a cut content at one point).

The wording back from 2011 suggests as if they'd be implemented at that time

[tulip kiln]

Make sure to add plenty of warnings that it isn't functional/implemented since nobody reads things.

[flat sun]

i will note that they still don't list any affects - i don't really know what was in the game in 2011 but you could write this page with just information available today

since everything here is technically true

[digital helm]

I think the pages were created from a blog or forum post in 2011, not from the mechanics of the actual game

There was a thread of things they want to add, and that was one of them. I don't think it ever actually made it in the game in a functional state. But I could be wrong

[tulip kiln]

Yeah, last updated 20 april 2011? That was tech demo days wasn't it

[digital helm]

Yeah

[tulip kiln]

So it could've been from a forum post, a dev talked about how they were gonna add morale or something, so this editor made a page about it, and eventually they got changed into being called unhappiness, maybe

[kind sphinx]

that wrong version of "effects" really hurts me too

[languid kayak]

yeah, correcting this too 😄

[digital helm]

Lol it hurt me too 😄

[tulip kiln]

Common mistake I see tbh, lot of people just use "effected" or "effects" wrong

[proud cobalt]

I've winged it my whole life

Affect Effect idk

[tulip kiln]

like how you see a lot of people saying "loose" when they mean lose or some shit, really grinds my gears for no reason.

[digital helm]

The thread was a well known one back then. It was linked on the future features page on the wiki (is it still?) it also had things like dogs and decapitation

[tulip kiln]

Yeah, that's a thing, it gets updated occasionally still

[kind sphinx]

it's not the mistake that hurts me so, it's how long that article has been up, forgotten to time

[tulip kiln]

wait no I think its gone

ye it gone I think

[kind sphinx]

14yo spelling mistake god help me

https://tenor.com/view/blunder-fired-simpsons-gif-9162825897901719142

[tulip kiln]

Makes sense, a lot of it wasn't accurate at this point. You had stuff that they were sure were never gonna get added like "real life weapons" or something.

But that's untrue as of 41 since that added M9s, M1911s, M16s etc.

Cause before that it was just "Pistol" or "Shotgun"

[digital helm]

It's there, just that the link is dead
https://theindiestone.com/community/viewtopic.php%3Ff=24&t=1865.html

[tulip kiln]

Ye it made snese to get rid of it. a lot of the stuff they confirmed was never being added, ended up getting added at some point.

That and the whole post was so you could post your suggestions and what you want to see in future updates, there were so many comments that your suggestions would quickly be drowned out.

[flat sun]

i would understand even outright lying about this though. you know how online gun nuts are

[tulip kiln]

Uh yeah pretty easy to see that whenever you see the Ammosexuals having a massive flame war over the most niche gun shit in pzchat for no reason

[kind sphinx]

"ammosexuals" so real

although when WE have flame wars over wiki stuff it's justified, right guys?

[languid kayak]

Morale's still there in the game

oops, wasn't meant to be a reply 😄

but yeah, both Morale and Sanity are in the debug mode sliders.

[tulip kiln]

wow, being called out for not knowing jack shit about the game really tanked my morale

[proud cobalt]

[languid kayak]

I actually wanted to report with the "alot" meme, but couldn't find a gif on Discord 😄

[tulip kiln]

oh my god, don't get me started on "alot" usage

[languid kayak]

https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/the-alot

[kind sphinx]

Everytime I go into this chat like I know everything but then I get blindsided by the most basic shit out there

[tulip kiln]

Ye I've been wiki editing for a few years now, I really don't know much tbh. I'm mainly just here for lore and easter eggs at this point.

[jolly crow]

Hey, I'm working on the Louisville airport page, and I'm kinda confused on one building. Can anyone help me understand what this building's supposed to be?

[kind sphinx]

Some of the new B42 stuff is so straightforward and logical I have to remind myself of how obtuse B41 was, like apparently you can dismantle metal shutters now with welding equipment???

[tulip kiln]

Is it a tower?

[kind sphinx]

lifechanging stuff

[tulip kiln]

If it is, could it be air traffic control maybe?

[languid kayak]

Morale goes from 0.5 to 1 but can't really be changed. Sanity can be changed from 0 to 1 btw. Both do nothing and have no moodle btw.

[tulip kiln]

wait nah nvm, I just checked, that couldn't be airtraffic control

This would be that

I dunno what the hell that building is then

[jolly crow]

Idk. Maybe some kind of main office?

Or office for the hangars?

[proud cobalt]

It looks like a staff training area

[tulip kiln]

Training maybe

It's got these classrooms

[flat sun]

the most curious thing is that these do actually change in normal gameplay

[kind sphinx]

this is what I think too

[flat sun]

but obviously don't do anything anyway

[kind sphinx]

pilot training kinda deal

but then you're gonna find a carving 1 book in there cause the pilot in training was bored or smth

[digital helm]

Found this in a blog from 2016

and potentially the return of ‘insanity’ effects if your survivor were to go entirely cuckoo.
https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2016/01/survival-impact/

[jolly crow]

True, but it also has some pretty important looking rooms on top, plus a communications tower.

[tulip kiln]

Ye I'd have to imagine probably postphoned for a long while, since that was before cars, anims update, 42 etc. Probably more important stuff to add, reworks etc

Either that or scrapped entirely

[languid kayak]

I also can't read apparently 😄 It seems to work in debug, not sure about the actual game

[kind sphinx]

idk what insanity in zomboid would look like but I hope it's like the schizophrenia mod, seeing and hearing things that aren't actually there, etc.

[digital helm]

This was right after mentioning adding VHS tapes, which as we know were only just added in b41 😄

[tulip kiln]

Well ye but I'd imagine VHS is much easier to implement than sanity mechanics, because you could really fuck up the gameplay with poorly implemented sanity mechanics I'd imagine

[digital helm]

Whether it's future or not, I think pick either obsolete or future and that be it. Because we really don't know. Turbo would be deep in crafting now, so I don't think he'll be jumping back into working on sanity any time soon @languid kayak

[kind sphinx]

Those VHSs can be pretty complicated if TIS wanted them to be, like the dog goblin tape spiking your panic, although I have no idea if there are any good ideas left to implement to VHSs

[flat sun]

it's either future or future and obsolete

so future seems like the best way to leave it

[kind sphinx]

someone did the thing lol

[tulip kiln]

gah don't remind me of dog goblin, I remember when I was searching for easter eggs for the wiki page, saw the most wild theory about it.

Some dudes thought that dog goblin vhs was a snuff film and that's why your character panics

no it's a cheesy horror movie lmao

[kind sphinx]

imagine if after a month or so in you could find an actual snuff film, but instead of a human being killed it was a zombie

[serene sage]

I've heard of that before, definitely doesn't make sense considering you can buy the VHS in retail stores

[kind sphinx]

for the sick freaks outside the containment zone

[serene sage]

there's no containment zone anymore

[tulip kiln]

Not just that, I'd also have to imagine even if the film wasn't that scary. Your character is probably freaking tf out because this is the worst time to watch a horror movie. Imagine seeing the dead somehow resurrect and start eating the living. You wouldn't know what is real anymore. So it'd be pretty bizarre to go watch this horror movie during all that. Cause at that rate, dog goblin doesn't seem too far-fetched.

[serene sage]

ah yes disassociating with reality

my favorite

[languid kayak]

and potentially the return of ‘insanity’ effects if your survivor were to go entirely cuckoo.
return 🤔

[serene sage]

reminds me of the time I wanted to make a mod with a VHS that could zombify your character

[kind sphinx]

I've thought about horror movies during the apocalypse and I can never decide if it would compound your stress and fear or in a zomboid apocayplse you'd just be like "whatever I've seen worse"

[regal vine]

OK Key Ring page has been updated, included info on the new items that can be stored on the key ring (lmk if there's any i missed there) and added variants section for the new key ring types.

(BTW, the capacities need to be updated, but I do not know how. lmk if you do)

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Key_Ring

[tulip kiln]

or make a mod that makes it so watching the dog goblin vhs 3 times in one night causes the dog goblin to show up to your safehouse and maul you.

[serene sage]

amazing idea

could definitely make use of the animals system

[languid kayak]

(albion said they do, just two different sliders but one doesn't do a thing)

[languid kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/zomboid-dog-gif-15735278909360391194

I'd actually prefer a b41 hacky dogs

[kind sphinx]

this gif gives me a headache

[serene sage]

right around the middle of the gif is a perfect representation of the Dog Goblin

[kind sphinx]

but instead he's like that all the time and has sprinter speed

and does 8x damage to barricades cause screw you, he's gonna getcha

[serene sage]

I feel like he should just teleport

run too far and he shows up in front of you

[jolly crow]

Holy crap, there's a sick-ass private lounge on top of the airport with a barely-noticeable entrance!

You have to go up 2 floors of stairs to get there!

[kind sphinx]

members lounge, I go to them sometimes when I travel, the bar is very accurate lol

got semi-drunk in one a couple days ago actually waiting for my flight

although 80s airport must have been DIFFERENT cause I can't remember the last time I saw actual wood in an airport that didn't have to do with construction

[regal vine]

I wonder if you could get power to that whole room with a single generator

[kind sphinx]

could probably do if you put it next to the AC unit on the roof

[digital helm]

Yeah, that's what I wasn't sure about...

[languid kayak]

huh, it indeeds lowers with low morale

[digital helm]

Looks great! Values in the infobox get updated automatically, so don't worry about them.
Also remember to update the version number in Page version
So {{Page version|42.0.4|2=...}}

[regal vine]

Should I do that even if i'm unsure if everything's properly updated? I'm not certain in particular about the Key Ring's whitelist.

Like i'm pretty sure you can put things on there that are in the Security category or things tagged with FitsKeyRing, but i'm not sure that's all

[digital helm]

At this stage of b42, I think that if the majority of the content is updated, then it should probably change. Just so people don't think it has b41 features

I plan to autogenerate the items they can have. Looking into containers is next on my list

It's the "FitsKeyRing" tag btw. You'll also see some like "FitsWallet"

[regal vine]

Security as well. Keys and padlocks dont have fitskeyring. I almost missed Blank Keys off of that

[proud cobalt]

Sharing progress with the class

[regal vine]

ok, updated Key Ring page to b42

[digital helm]

Oh yeah, that'd be because of the "Type" it's something like "Key"(?) which adds that functionality

[languid kayak]

Okay, I bumped all the moodles now to 42.0.2, prompted by the changes started by CatInAHat few days ago – some may still need some verifications, but since they all have new infoboxes I bumped them all out.

These two still have verify tag for foraging, if someone can verify, it'd be great https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Stressed and https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Tired – would remove them from https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Articles_requiring_verification

I also know that alll navboxes are due to be updated, but I think b42 added some new moodle(s) too that are not present there yet?

[hushed bobcat]

Is that flier telling us that Riverside is in a different county, or just a typo from devs? afaik, right now we handle everything as part of Knox County 😕

[proud cobalt]

Not everything is in knox county, the map is knox countRy

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Knox_Country
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Knox_County

[hushed bobcat]

ohhh, I see. And do we keep track of the counties?

[proud cobalt]

Not really, the map is based off real world Jefferson, Bullitt, Hardin, and Meade counties

[digital helm]

Counties are only mentioned in b42 I believe. So I don't think it's been given much thought yet

[jolly crow]

Louisville International Airport is now up: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Louisville_International_Airport

Even includes information on the factories and businesses in the industrial zone next to the airport

[digital helm]

Looks great! The first section should be "Overview" though, I think?

[jolly crow]

I'll improve it later when I get time

[proud cobalt]

When you update the page version, you have to use the oldid from the original article. With the one you used 2=457767 it now links to the page cow. Instead all you have to do is change 41.78.16 to 42.0.2

[regal vine]

whups

a man can only copy+paste formatting so far i suppose

[lucid junco]

Made same mistake lol

[languid kayak]

yeah, I've been correcting those 😛 I kinda wait for a time when oldids can be removed. Guess we'll hear the most of TIS plans in the next week's thusdoid though how the work on that goes (I mostly wait for MP at that point to play properly, splitscreen with controller is not the same).

[calm temple]

hey new contributor, sent an email to kirrus as the message asks, but thought id ask in here if anyone knows why i mightve been flagged. i figure its just that im trying to create a new page for knapping without prior contributions.

[lucid junco]

A bit unrelated, but I remember having a conversation here about independent wikis

Just found out that NIN wiki is also self hosted

https://www.nin.wiki/Main_Page

[lucid junco]

Something tripped off the spammer check

It may be your email name, wiki name or something like that

Idk

[calm temple]

ohhhhhh ....it has a filter for "spammerlike" emails? itd....probably be that then

my email has ALOT of fullstops in it....not the best email in the world 😓

[lucid junco]

Yeah, just contact Kirrus and say that it was probably a bot tripping off wrongly

[proud cobalt]

I would say it was trying tomake a new page with 0 contribs

[lucid junco]

Uuuh

This isnt right..

Something feels a bit off, but I cant find it on the map to check for sure how it should look

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doomguy-doom-face-doom-icon-gif-17308241

[digital helm]

P.S. Delilah

[lucid junco]

Ooh

I see it now

[digital helm]

to be fair, I had to search the media files

[lucid junco]

I orient myself with logos by looking at how they were ordered in files

and this is how this one was ordered

Lilahs. Dep.

[digital helm]

I assume it'd be in the right order most of the time

[languid kayak]

yeah 😄 Delilah came to my mind, but was thinking maybe that's an easter egg of some sort

[digital helm]

Managed to output flier location coordinates. The game defines 2 points to create a rectangle for updating the player's map. This is just the centre point of that rectangle. https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Vaileasys/sandbox_4

[languid kayak]

neat

[languid kayak]

Actually, the rectangle could be useful as well; the b42 map could support the POI drawing IIRC too, at least theoretically

[digital helm]

If it's useful, I can add it easily

I've added the 2 coordinates. Just let me know how best to lay it out and what to and not to include https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Vaileasys/sandbox_4

[hushed bobcat]

About the street names, that is what I have compiled so far:
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Halwaru/sandbox
Feel free to include or send me any other reference you can find

Btw @digital helm , we can combine those two since I rely a lot on those fliers for the street name info 😂

[kind sphinx]

halwaru wtf this is impressive af

[hushed bobcat]

There are still some doubts in some cases since the business could have front to two different streets. But there are cases like Olin road on riverside: that is probably the name of the road, but is also a state road with a big sign saying KY 163, but "the locals" still use the old street name. More and more lore (or a fanfic in my mind lol)

[serene sage]

I wonder if someday most roads in PZ will be named

an NPC could give you a quest to go to “213 Parkside Drive” or something

[kind sphinx]

if they do this my theory is they'll get on the wiki to remind themselves of the street names like "what the hell did we already name and what didn't we?"

[lucid junco]

My biggest doubt is with Pile o crepe

Cause it doubles in size the LV, since it incorporates entirety of what we called Valley station

[hushed bobcat]

Yeah. That bearcamp road exists irl, and it doesn't look it is considered Louisville, it's a "Kentucky road"

[lucid junco]

Maybe a @thin cloud question then?

[hushed bobcat]

That is my main thought. If we can help devs on make our loved game even better, why not? Lol

[quartz bear]

EU residents playing PZ:

[kind sphinx]

in that case I hope they do some more easter eggs, like the names of the wiki mods or smth like that, along with the standard american street names like maple, cedar, etc.

although rosewood is practically one street, main street

[languid kayak]

Not sure about the US, but isn't there a rule that the entrance has to face the street?

Also great job btw! I also noticed that some streets are not visible on the spawn map; maybe a regular top-down map would be better for mapping @hushed bobcat?

[hushed bobcat]

I was thinking the same, but without opening the game, that was the only full map that I was able to put my hands at that time. As I get more references (assuming those exists), I plan to make those images way better, for now, is just a way to put it initially

[languid kayak]

I think flyers are the only ones right now, yeah. The top-down map can be found on b42map.com btw too 🙂

I assume this is correct? https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Automated_Emergency_Broadcast_System&curid=14365&diff=778973&oldid=648391 (if so, turns out we had a wrong times for a while)

[serene sage]

heli update time is correct, not sure about the other stuff though

learned that the hard way after checking the radio at 6AM and then going outside like normal

[lucid junco]

@proud cobalt any idea on where zombie outfits/types are stored now? 🤔

Ive seen in code that game has some specific zombies coded in now

Less "hard coded" like K&B, since those have their outfit defined within the same code

But they are coded somewhere separately and I'm not sure where

[digital helm]

In clothing.xml. it only has GUIDs though, so you need to cross-reference it with fileGuidTable.xml

Unsure if we've generated the new outfits list @proud cobalt

[digital helm]

Indeed. Including the coordinates here would be helpful

Great job with the street names btw

[jolly crow]

Can anyone tell me where the tile sprites are located in the game files? I want to get a name for the non-functional crafting stations.

[flint vapor]

In the pack files

[jolly crow]

pack files?

[flint vapor]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File_formats#TexturePacks_(.pack_files)

[jolly crow]

Ah

[languid kayak]

I don't think, no. I was halfway adding variants and cleaning existing outfits when b42 hit 😄

[digital helm]

Unsure what your goal is, but the filenames on their own aren't very helpful. They're named things like this https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Crafted_01_18.png

This page might be more helpful https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Tile_list

[jolly crow]

Unsure what your goal is, but the filenames on their own aren't very helpful. They're named things like this https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Crafted_01_18.png
Grr

[prisma crescent]

has anyone made an updated list of all the literature items and what the gains are from them? some of it is updated on the wiki but not all

[digital helm]

I've been working on literature. Been focusing on page content, but I should be able to put an updated list together fairly quickly

[digital helm]

literature list updated for leisure items. Still very much WIP https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Literature#Leisure

[thin cloud]

You'd be surprised how much I use the wiki to look stuff up

[thin cloud]

I prefer boring street names, or you get into silly things like Romero Lane and King Street etc.

Street names are only semi-official as we haven't plotted them onto a map yet, which is the mapper's job eventually

[zealous nova]

Hello everyone, I wanted to initially contribute to the translation of existing content. To start, ideally you would read the guide. It turns out that all the content in the wiki guide is only in English from what I could see, is there any reason for this? Does it make sense to offer an option in another language? If so, I would start there.

[proud cobalt]

Here's the translation project which can help you get started. Otherwise there's the translation help section.

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Project_Translations
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Help:Translations

[zealous nova]

Thank you @proud cobalt and my question was precisely about that.

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Project_Translations offers only in English

While
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Help:Translations
offers English, Turkish and Chinese

[proud cobalt]

Which language are you looking to translate? I will be able to help better if i know how much has been started for it

[zealous nova]

Portuguese, which means pretty much nothing , unfortunately 🥲

[proud cobalt]

Ahh yes, there hasn't been much started on Portuguese. I would recommend looking at the home page as a starting point. then moving on to some of these links.

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Project_Zomboid_Wiki/pt
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Community_portal
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Help:Contents
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Templates

Otherwise if you're interested in helping, its possible to translate a file for us and we can use it to upload item pages in Pt

The most important template to do would be infobox item IMO

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Infobox

[zealous nova]

Sure, i will start with that

[proud cobalt]

Progress is slow, but it's happening 😄

[rotund echo]

They added Breckinridge County now (Irvington)

[primal remnant]

actually i do think i remember seeing a flyer with 'meade county' referred on it, but i cant remember which one it was

[lucid junco]

Riverside police station?

[primal remnant]

! Yes

[ionic quarry]

What is considered a minor edit?

[flint vapor]

Imo formatting or grammar changes

[ionic quarry]

makes sense. Thanks

[kind sphinx]

just saying i don't think the riverside police would like my gun table setup next to the oven

[lucid junco]

The one that you mark with the minor edit checkbox

But yeah, its mainly formatting

Im not sure what's the difference between minor edit though

It still shows up in recent changes

[serene sage]

I leave all my guns in a wooden crate fully loaded, think they’ll like that?

[lucid junco]

https://tenor.com/view/kurt-angle-stare-100-yard-stare-meme-gif-251436459491629941

The sign is off in each section

(Holy shit it takes ages to load it for some reason)

Anyway

I dont need a map for that

I feel like Ikip was onto something when he made the signs so jaggered and misaligned

[quartz bear]

oh.. oh no

[lucid junco]

How it looks with straight text

As much as Id like to fix it myself, it is beyond fucked

I may or may not attempt it, but I will say that only the God, the John Zomboid himself can fix it

[languid kayak]

Keep in mind we host both Portuguese (Portual), and Brazilian Portuguese, similar to how the game ships (though it may change later down in b42 with hired translation studio), the latter is pretty much all the content we host it turned out after we split them. If you spot text that is wrongly categorized as pt and not pt-br, let me know!

[languid kayak]

nothing really. It's just another filter that editors can choose when watching recent changes and it's amrked in the history. I am to blame often doing minor edits that are not-so-minor (default for me is minor)

[languid kayak]

I think I'm blind; what's wrong with the logo?

[lucid junco]

Just follow the straight lines in the text and you will see it

[languid kayak]

ah that. I though it was something on what Alluseri posted. But yeah, that's sadly the issue with many multi-tile things 😩

(even in-game)

[lucid junco]

And if we try to align it by text, the outer layer breaks

Ive tried my best to fix it

But its noticable if you look at logo

Who is A1

We have A1 laundry and a1 hay

It cant be a coincidence

[languid kayak]

technically it can 🤔

A-1 Laundry was theoretized to be conntected to the Breaking Bad but it was later removed as it seems it's a generic laundry

https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Easter_eggs&diff=408317&oldid=408313

[prisma crescent]

I made a spread sheet on google last night with every literature piece in game if you want it lmao, only thing I excluded from the list was the mail pieces like postcards etc

[languid kayak]

@digital helm do we need a first issue available table here? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Comic_Book#Variants (all are "1")

oh, it's for https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Comic_Book_(retail)#Variants

Though I still dont' think it's needed? Sounds like simple "last 4 issues" would be enough?

[zealous nova]

My focus is Portuguese (with the code pt)

[languid kayak]

so the Portugal one?

[zealous nova]

Yes

[kind sphinx]

maybe someone REALLY likes A1 sauce

[languid kayak]

@hushed bobcat is that for b42 or both? https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Weather&curid=2819&diff=779079&oldid=616295 I guess for both, right? If so, then I wonder if I should just bump the version number and whether to keep oldid as well 😛 Same story as I have with https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Automated_Emergency_Broadcast_System&curid=14365&diff=778973&oldid=648391 that's why it's still on 41.78.16 even if it's been chcecked on b42 (but should be true for b41 as well)

[hushed bobcat]

Didn't checked the b41 code so it could be different for sure. I can try eventually, but it's for sure a b42 code that I used

Hey @naive imp ,
That page with the initial street names,
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Halwaru/sandbox
could be moved to be searchable/linked if we want, I'm just not sure where to move it. Ideas?

[naive imp]

I'm not sure where to put it either

Maybe just keep it as sandbox for now until we need it?

Or if you want you can copy or move it to another subpage of your userspace?

[quartz bear]

this is not how layers work

ok no nevermind im dumb

i have difficulty perceiving isometric billboards clearly

[digital helm]

I don't mind either way. Simple enough for me to change if you think it's necessary

[digital helm]

I appreciate that, but most lists are being auto-generated directly from the game files, just need to finish setting them up

[proud cobalt]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Minor_edit

[hushed bobcat]

Sometimes I miss that there isn't a Pull Request somehow. There are changes that we can do, but I'm not 100% sure about formatting, or wording, and a second eyes could be very useful. But that of course slows down everything since it removes autonomy, so it's for sure not a single fits all kind of thing. But how one usually "proposes" such changes? On sample that comes to my mind is the split of Lousiville page into smaller neighborhood areas, then connecting everything into a parent page. It could be a lot of changes, not sure that would look better, so we need to experiment and get opinions on it. Is there a proposal model somehow for changes?

[proud cobalt]

Sandbox pages

[digital helm]

As Calvy said.
I think splitting Louisville into neighbourhoods could be good. The page is getting to the point of being too long

Like we have the buttons at the top of the page for the item lists and crafting, we can do that for these regions too, to help with navigation

Looking at it, I think we could treat the Louisville page similar to the Knox Country page, which treats the districts as regions, and only list the main POIs. Then all the businesses could be moved to the individual district pages

[kind sphinx]

Not as experienced at wiki editing as you guys, so all of you definitely have more weigh in this decision that me, but I figured I'd throw my hat in and say that I'm not happy with how the page looks at the moment, but splitting the page into different sections would be a bit confusing for some at the moment, especially since the only system we could use that matches what we already have are the districts, which there are 9 of, and I'd rather have 1 long page over 9 separate pages. There are other things we could do to shorten the length, but the only idea I have is to reformat the businesses section to reduce the bloat of unnamed businesses, although with the current formatting tools we have access to, I'm not sure how feasible this would be.

Again, totally deferring to you guys on the proper steps forward though.

What would be tough about the unnamed businesses however would be how to go about including their coordinates in a concise, clear way.

[lucid junco]

Which page?

[naive imp]

I think the main issue with the Louisville page is that it remains unfinished at this point and probably will be for a bit. I don't necessarily think that the page being long is bad though

I mean the survival guide is crazy long, still works well

The main issue is that the list of businesses is automatically expanded

And I propose a different solution here

Instead of linking them all back to the parent page, why don't we split the list of businesses into separate sections per district, and have them collapsed by default?

I mean think about it, for each district page, it'll just be:

"There are houses here, businesses there, and x amount of zombies"

Then list of named locations

And then what to we do for the infobox?

Do we really need another page for that? I don't think we do

Once you collapse the list of named locations the page gets quite short actually

Maybe we should have all those list collapsed by default?

On all towns?

[languid kayak]

Can always redirect the business list to the separate sections, like Vail said, it'd be similar to the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Knox_Country listing maybe just the main businesses in each district (if at all). Then we can list even the minor ones on the dedicated page, if we want to

[kind sphinx]

True, although here’s a bit of a thought, I never thought that the people of Knox Country actually referred to it as Knox Country in game. Always thought it was a meta term for the map

Quite unrelated to the Louisville discussion though

[digital helm]

Muldraugh is a small town in an area the locals know as "Knox Country" - the dead center of the State of Kentucky.
From the Muldraugh page 😄 https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Muldraugh

I think of it as a colloquial term used by the locals, not any official name

[digital helm]

I agree, the fact that it's still a work in progress doesn't help at all.
For me, that page is a nightmare to navigate, to the point I probably wouldn't bother. Largely because the tables are so long, so scrolling to where you might want to get is a bit of a chore, so collapsing definitely helps. Even with using the TOC. I think that a goal for the TOC is that when you expand a level 2 heading (==) you can see that entire section (on an average screen size). This image is a 3rd of the entire length (at 1080px).
So the really long tables combined with the nearly unusable TOC, I think navigation is a big problem. Which would be fixed by doing something similar to the Knox Country page. You're not losing any info, you're just removing the bloated businesses, and if people want to read more, they can navigate to that page. This is the purpose of the {{Main}} and {{See}} templates. I personally would much prefer this as a reader, so I could find the info I'm after, but also get a gist of what's on the page.

By "long" though, I also mean that it's big file size-wise https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:LongPages. This month it's averaged a load time of 7.4 seconds. Ideal is probably less than 5. So it's probably not too long yet, but it's definitely getting there. Plain text is quicker than tables and templates.

That's just my thoughts. Either way, I'm happy to help with templates, etc. if needed.

[naive imp]

Yeah it's a hot mess currently. Can sections start collapsed by default? If so I'd like to experiment with this a bit

[ornate tapir]

dammn, i didnt remember it to be that bad

[digital helm]

Yeah, in class just add mw-collapsible mw-collapsed

[naive imp]

Yeah it's BAD

[naive imp]

At the end of the section header? Like ==example mw-collapsible mw-collapsed==

Or like ==example== mw-collapsible mw-collapse?

[digital helm]

nah in the table.
{| class="wikitable theme-red mw-collapsible mw-collapsed"

Oh you asked about sections

[naive imp]

Oh I was talking about the section itself

[digital helm]

Sections can't, no

[naive imp]

Damit

That would be useful for other things

But can still try w the tables and see how it looks

[digital helm]

I mean... you probably could 🤔

[naive imp]

Wouldn't you have to do some code work though?

A lot of other wiki have collapsible sections, strange that pz doesn't tbh

[digital helm]

it'd be something like

<div class="mw-collapsible-content">text to collapse</div>```
(but not exactly that, the class is something different

[digital helm]

Do you have a wiki example? I can take a look at how they do it

[naive imp]

Holup

[naive imp]

I just realized a lot of the ones I was going to mention either are Fandom wiki or use wiki.gg

Wait

Nope nvm

Satisfactory is wiki.gg too

Shit

And satisfactory isn't even collapsible

Jesus I need sleep

[digital helm]

that should be fine tbh

[naive imp]

I'm SLOW

[digital helm]

Here's a collapsed heading example https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Vaileasys/sandbox_2 expand button is on the far right though

[naive imp]

Oh Fandom not dealbreaker?

https://thelongdark.fandom.com/wiki/Cougar

Here's the long dark wiki then

[digital helm]

It's still mediawiki/css/json so can at least look

[naive imp]

Have at it my friend

[digital helm]

am I blind, or do I not see collapsed headings?

[naive imp]

Nah they're there

Holup

I am on mobile tho?

[ornate tapir]

dont have them on PC ig

[digital helm]

Looks like a mobile thing

[naive imp]

Fucc

[ornate tapir]

but dont we have them too?

[digital helm]

We can do something like that, it would be on the far right though, so not really visible for PC users

for level2 headings, yeah

[ornate tapir]

ah i see

[naive imp]

Wait so we could ad-hoc it with a level 2 heading for now while we figure out a better solution

But maybe that'll look like shit

[ornate tapir]

if possible, i would.

[naive imp]

Is there a way to avoid the far right? Or put it on the far left?

So it's more visible?

Still probably look like crap but while we figure it out?

[digital helm]

Yep. I could probably copy the current level 2 heading toggle https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Vaileasys/sandbox_2 this would just need some css to add the arrow to the left

("Heading") is clickable

[naive imp]

https://tenor.com/view/your-a-wizard-harry-gif-3829442

Bruh the fucking you're is wrong

That bothers that crap outta me

[digital helm]

This would require a template though... something like {{Heading toggle|heading=Heading|id=something_unique}} instead of ===Heading===

[digital helm]

me too

[naive imp]

I don't think that's so bad, we won't be using it for every heading

Just these problematic ones

[digital helm]

I'll try to put it together then

This would only be a thing on citizen skin though. Keep that in mind

[naive imp]

Oh is it not possible in vector? That sucks. Would it glitch out in vector?

[digital helm]

I could do it. It's just more work 😄

[naive imp]

Lol I gotchu

[digital helm]

At the very least I'll make it function. Just may not have the toggle arrow

[naive imp]

I think most readers use citizen anyway, I just like vector more personally

[digital helm]

at first

[naive imp]

So just click the header text?

[digital helm]

yeah

[naive imp]

Maybe we should add a note that says "click to collapse" or something

On the template

But that'd be more work

[digital helm]

I might as well just add it at that point tbh

I can do it. Just lazy 😄

[naive imp]

Maybe ill just use {{note}} and put it below it for now lol

That should work until you get around to putting the toggle arrow on it

You good man I have no right to complain about lazy

Anyway ima sleep I worked 11 hrs at the autoshop today, fuckin exhausted

Gn yall

I have to get up at 0900 for personal reasons and it's 0415 kill me

Maybe one day I'll learn

[digital helm]

Goodnight, good luck 👋

[lucid junco]

A very late note, tile sheets may not be available due to sertain categories having too many or too large images within it

It does try so make them separate, but in the end overflows and you get results like this

There is currently no solution for that, all you can do is to create a separate tilesheet yourself

[languid kayak]

@digital helm the business names are from the fliers themselves right? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Vaileasys/sandbox_4

Might need cross-checking for the names, similar to other literature items (though this one's simpler)

[digital helm]

business names are from translation files Print_Media_EN and Print_Text_EN

[languid kayak]

There's no pull requests, but a similar mechanism called patrolling: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Patrolled_edits

I go through every non-bot non-admin edit and manually put them as patrolled, and if something's wrong I fix that.

It's mostly me doing that, but technically any other admin can do the same, I'm just the most picky 😉

That's why you often see me asking out of blue about random edits or fixing whitespaces or pinging folks about their edits, these are also what fuels the summary.

Some wikipedias (I know Polish one at least) have "unreviewed" edits, so that a group of users have to confirm changes, but some error on the wiki is not as hurting as wrong medical information (wich Wikipedia should never be used on the first place), so I don't think we need it, especially at our scale.

[digital helm]

which are from a reference file which the fliers use for building the name. So yes

[languid kayak]

oh yeah, and sandbox 😄 Generally best to create a /sandbox (any naming really) subpage on the userspace, but some templates for example and main page even has links to /sandbox in them to experiment 🙂

[digital helm]

There may be more on that page than there are actually in the game. I just noticed I've skipped a step in my output. The coordinates match the businesses though, they just may not all be used for fliers (current fliers)

[languid kayak]

but the names are like that, Verbatim? I have at the back of the name to compare the names from all sources (radio, signs, literature), though no ETA on that 😄

oh nvm (I realized I skipped some messages, was trying to catch on conversations)

[digital helm]

just realised some could be wrong. Might be getting some from the wrong translation file. Getting some from Print_Text instead of Print_Media. I'll fix it now

[lucid junco]

Is it realy blue moo or am I missing a piece

[languid kayak]

moo as in cow mooing, it'd be possible

[digital helm]

blue moon?

[languid kayak]

seems like a word play on moon and moo sound, but best to check in game/map 😄

not sure where this loc is

[lucid junco]

Me neither

[languid kayak]

moo here: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Louisville_International_Airport

[lucid junco]

not again

[languid kayak]

This seems like an issue caused by creating tiles? I wonder if TIS has the original conbine tiles?

I think it's still mash doing them?

[languid kayak]

Collapsed boxes would work too, but:

1. Big pages are long to load, especially on mobile – especially since the collapsed boxes still have to be loaded first
2. Splitting with main is not a abd idea if we can, even Wikipedia uses that if page is too long, as it's unweidly.
3. At worse we can transclude subpages as we do with items and businesses, but with too much templates, we may hit a node limit.

[lucid junco]

Balatro reference

if we assume that R is an L
N is a T
D is a R
A is an O
and S doesnt exist

[serene sage]

very clearcut reference

no mental gymnastics needed

[languid kayak]

and yeah, pretty much Vail summed it up mostly fine; the {{Main}} would be most notable one.

[digital helm]

3. won't help. It's essentially the same as having it on the page, it just makes it so you don't need to edit something in multiple places, it's still loading just as many elements

[languid kayak]

They can, but it's a hacky solution

[languid kayak]

They used to be like that in the old Project Translation, but I decided to remove it, as it wasn't clear to the reader I believed https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=PZwiki:Project_Translations&oldid=558869#Translation_progress

Though feel free to correct me if I'm wrong and see how it was done in that oldid

[digital helm]

@naive imp Template created. https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:ToggleHeading
Test in a sandbox and let me know if any issues. I only recommend this as a temporary solution, that will probably end up being permanent tbh 😄
Not yet set up for vector. It works, just no arrow is displayed

I half did this as a warm-up for eventually doing the infobox, navbox, and toggle box arrows.

[digital helm]

Yeah, I immediately remembered you could. That's basically how this template works

[languid kayak]

That's better example probably 😄

[languid kayak]

They may use custom templates or extensions, but are still mediawiki, so generally no. You just have to avoid ads.

I think I posted that, but here's my ublock filter I used when I was editing Cyberpunk wiki that allowed me to do edits without ads (I commented out entries that were preventing that, not sure how well it works now):

https://gist.github.com/Faalagorn/0d9dbac615fc20ddd7161b3066a1d48f

There are more extreme filters if you just want to browse, too.

[languid kayak]

ours should be collapsible on mobile too (yeah, realized later it's not just mobile, I think I was using them myself :P)

[jolly crow]

That one feels strangely intentional?

(Also, do we have the texture for this logo?)

[languid kayak]

Your seeing alot of mistakes in it's script.

[digital helm]

I think that's what sharp was doing. Straightening the logos before uploading them to the wiki

[languid kayak]

sounds about my usual sleep schedule 👌 ☕ (don't take examples from me)

[languid kayak]

yeah, saw the discussion later too

[proud cobalt]

Tools working

[hushed bobcat]

One option that I was considering for the Louisville location table was to abuse of it vertically, and have a single table like this. Then one could easy find what they are looking for in terms of business ( I need a grocery store nearby), but we lose the track of individual places... unless, instead of listing the coordinate, we list the name of the business with just a small link to the coordinate. I will try later with some real samples, but I highly depends on the b42map for it, so it could take a while 😅

I put just one place/coordinate on each cell, but we could have multiple, just separated by comma or whatnot

[lucid junco]

Really split on that

It leaves out a lot of info for looks

But it indeed looks nice

[hushed bobcat]

Ideally, all those locations (even the generic ones) could have a dedicated entry (page?) and all the availabe metadata (coordinates, city, neighborhood, business brand, etc) would be concentrate there in an infobox-ish standard way. So tables like this one would be automatically populated by simple filtering everything on Louisville grouping by business type (or something on those lines). We would have it automatically for any town and any brand page (since the filter then is the business name grouping by region). But that is probably to much for a wiki tool to handle right?

[lucid junco]

Not every business is valuable

[hushed bobcat]

So why we list then in a table then? 🤷‍♂️

[lucid junco]

Main priority for the wiki is to be informative and contain valuable info, so having 100 pages about unnamed restaurant (Central Louisville Commercial District) with something like "It has a kitchen, dining room and a bathroom" is something Id like to avoid

[lucid junco]

Because it exists, the list is there to compile every business there is in the region

No matter how small and valueless it is for the player

[hushed bobcat]

Is there anything that is not a page, but could be used for something like that? (Be an entry)

[lucid junco]

Like Grocery store, General store, Convenience store pages?

[hushed bobcat]

Yeah, but we end up with cross references: we list the laundromat in the laundromat page, then we list the same laundromat in Louisville. Is there a way to point to a single instance only once? So next update, if the place moves a few tiles, we update the coordinates only once

Asking because for more that I like a table like this
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Halwaru/sandbox_2
It will be hell trying to maintain a long table with so many columns. It's doable, but it requires lot of effort to no mess it, so I'm looking for ways to automate it

[digital helm]

Currently, the only way to do that is with a template. But you'd end up with 1000 templates. It'd be a good use of Lua once we get the extension

I really like the use of rgb here

[languid kayak]

Seems to complicated, also wide tables may not really be good for mobile

[digital helm]

My concern too

[kind sphinx]

Well we have two issues (not including the fact that some of the louisville page isn't finished), either the page is extremely long, or we use Halwaru's extended table idea and give up mobile friendliness, although looking at it on my mobile, it's not too bad in the example given.

[naive imp]

Originally my plan for this was to have all those unnamed businesses be linked to in a general page like liquor store, and then remove all the individual ones for it and instead have one big one

So instead of restaurant coords xxxx

Restaurant coords xxxx

Restaurant coords xxxx

It would be

Restaurant coords

Xxxx
Xxxx
Xxxx
Xxxx
Xxxx
Xxxx
Xxxx
Xxxx

With a link to the general page that lists the unnamed ones

[naive imp]

We can use bots for that

@proud cobalt has CalvyBot

[naive imp]

This is my main issue @hushed bobcat

Every place has to be listed

It's just how do we do it that looks better

[naive imp]

What do you think of this @hushed bobcat? I'll put a sandbox together rq holup

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:ThinkDock1721/sandbox

I think this is a simple solution that we don't have to overthink that makes it way more readable

now we have this

isntead of these

but that's just for the restaurant section

I don't think we can get around the length issue but this is a good way to make it not an eyesore

[digital helm]

This is much better than what we currently have. But doesn't really save that much space, just less repetition

[naive imp]

I don't think we can get around the space issue

Without compromising the amount of info we have

And I think it looks way better

[digital helm]

True. Could set something elaborate up with a database, or just a simple "replace this with that". The latter is much quicker and easier, but takes it out of the editor's hands a bit more

[naive imp]

Well obviously we discuss before

Holdup a sec

What if we put two coords per line

Lemme see

[digital helm]

@naive imp I just realised I messed spectacularly with the template... I'll have to fix it. Currently can't add any content to the section 😆

[naive imp]

Lmao you're good bro

what do we think of this? @digital helm @lucid junco? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:ThinkDock1721/sandbox#Restaurants_%26_Entertainment

@hushed bobcat too

2 coords per line? Could save some space that way I think it looks good actually

comparing them side by side its not MASSIVE but I think it'll addd up

[digital helm]

Looks fine. Might be worth not having the line break and just having all on the same line, that way the column will only be as big as it needs to be

Would be good to see at least

[naive imp]

lemme try

[digital helm]

Because it'll create the line breaks automatically

Thought of this because I didn't notice any difference since I'm on mobile 😄 and it's all on different lines

Actually, may not be great. It adds the line break between the icon

[naive imp]

hmmmmm

idk

what y'all think

[hushed bobcat]

What about a collapsible div saying "coordinates". Then initially, the cell will always have only that, someone need to manually open it

[digital helm]

Nah. Because of this #pzwiki_editing message

[naive imp]

agreed

[naive imp]

I think that may be overcomplicating things but not too sure

I'm not a wikitext wizard tho could you put the code for that for me?

or just edit the sandbox ig idk

[hushed bobcat]

I could try tomorrow, for sure. Need to say that with the combined row things are waaaay better, great job. We just need to find a good spot for the cells now

[naive imp]

I subscribe to the philosophy of keep it simple stupid

lol

[hushed bobcat]

Unfortunately I'm a very visual person, and for some reason I kind of hate tables, so I'm always looking ways to make those look less boring. But you are right, sometimes it's just about keep it simple

[digital helm]

Same tbh. I think they're pretty ugly 😄

[naive imp]

functional tho

thats my whole style

tables and bulleted lists all the way

[digital helm]

I like bulleted lists. Less claustrophobic

But tables are needed for these things. I get that

[proud cobalt]

Poor kentucky farmers
-- farmer:getFreeRecipes():add("Hemp Growing Season"); -- it's illegal in Kentucky in 1993 so Nope! Leaving the commented out code to flag this.

[tulip kiln]

smh, can't have shit in Kentucky

[digital helm]

I like that these comments are added. Stops people like us and modders reporting bugs 😄

[proud cobalt]

Ok i havn't parsed products yet, but in case anyone wants to have a look at the format, this is the first test of full template output. Have to limit the shown table to 200, but all the recipes are in. Approx 800. You can swap them in and out of the template if you want to try view a different one.
Currently the entire page is generated, including the documentation. There are some known issues, some traits and skills not translating properly mostly.
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Recipe_list/sandbox

Thanks to @digital helm we have all the tag templates, which helps to visualise it

I might add icons to magazines and schematics? Just visually helpful

[lucid junco]

Putting each unique unnamed business into one category? Fine ig

Ive listed them separately since most of them are technically not identical to each other

Some are 100% copy pastes and were in one group already

[digital helm]

Magazines, schematics and traits when they get done might help, yeah. Would be good if we had icons for skills

Oh you've done traits. Icons for them too would help

Was there a reason for moving the product to the right? Unsure if it's weird to me because it's change or if it should actually be on the left

[proud cobalt]

Is there support for skill icons already? I'd have to look at it

[digital helm]

Skills don't have icons. Unless that's new in b42?

[proud cobalt]

It feels more natural going left to right, ingredients, tools, requirements, then the outputs

[proud cobalt]

I mean traits

[digital helm]

Ah, in our project? No, not yet

[digital helm]

I get that. I think it's because of how you would normally structure a table, with the first column being the 'category' for the row

Kind of related. For crafting, I see a lot of wikis have a separate section for "what it makes" and "how to make it" (with different wording). When we rollout, do you think we should have these subsections in the crafting section?
Would be helpful for items that are used in a lot of recipes

[proud cobalt]

Yes that's the plan. The goal is to be able to automate out tables for every item, with a seperate table for it being a product or an ingredient

[languid kayak]

the minor nit is that icons in the second "column" don't align, not sure we'd want to address that?

[languid kayak]

oh wait, that kinda would solve it too

[languid kayak]

some minor issue [[file:['GoldSheet.png']]]

[digital helm]

I was thinking a non-breaking space might help with the icon line separation. Just not sure how that works with images since they're a separate element

[digital helm]

Yeah, I pointed that one out too

[digital helm]

@naive imp I've 'fixed' the heading template. So it's actually usable now. https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:ToggleHeading
Currently it's not ideal for tables though, which was the whole point of it. I could fix this, but might be a little more annoying to use.

1. Current usage. The section content becomes part of the template, so pipes | and equals = can't be used. So {{!}} and {{=}} would need to be used instead.

{{ToggleHeading|This is the heading|
~This text will be hidden~
}}

2. Proposed usage (unimplemented). I can create a 'footer' template which would fix this issue, but it means a separate template needs to be added at the bottom of the section. Which isn't ideal. Also the heading/id would have to be identical to the heading template.

{{ToggleHeading|This is the heading}}
~This text will be hidden~
{{ToggleHeading_footer|This is the heading}}

Let me know what you think.

[digital helm]

Fixed this. So the icon and text should never separate, for the Coordinates template.

[digital helm]

Updated the business/coordinates list, so the correct ones are displayed for the brochure and flier https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Vaileasys/sandbox_4
Also, seems like some of these "fliers" are brochures and not fliers. https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Flier#Gallery I think the protrait ones are fliers, and horizontal are brochures.

[proud cobalt]

Ok ive added products 🎉
This means its just bug finding, fixing, handling weird cases, visuals, etc.
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Recipe_list/sandbox

About 750,000 bytes added

[proud cobalt]

Formatted the images to be the same as current sizing

Also added pixel art class

Its nice to finally see a table with all the colums filled

[proud cobalt]

Yeah i need to fix this still too

[proper depot]

How to refill an oxygen cylinder?

[proud cobalt]

I dont think you can refil, only put the on and off

[proper depot]

Do you have a list of all the cracks from the game?

[proud cobalt]

Cracks?

[proper depot]

I am not a native speaker of your language, so there may be a misunderstanding

[proper depot]

No, just a list of cracks

[proud cobalt]

Do you speak Russian?

[proper depot]

Уеs

[proud cobalt]

Could you ask your question in Russian. @lucid junco would you be able to help?

[lucid junco]

Это мод или

[proper depot]

В 42 билде

Есть баллон

С кислородом

[proud cobalt]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Oxygen_Tank

[proper depot]

Его можно заправит кислородом вообще?

[proper depot]

Thank you very much)

[lucid junco]

Can you refill it or not

[proud cobalt]

I dont think so, only put a new one into SCBA and hazmat suit

[lucid junco]

Нельзя его заправить

[proper depot]

Может быть добавят компрессор
Compressor may be added

[lucid junco]

Это как пропан пока что

[proper depot]

Понял, спасибо

[proper depot]

Есть список типо wiki для кравтов?

Не всё кравты открыты и обновление не особо знаю 42

[lucid junco]

Пока не у всех

Есть только старый крафт

Новый они же там перемудрили все

Сейчас с горем пополам пытаемся ввести

[proper depot]

Можно создать топор вообще 42?
Рукоять видел, а вот в кравте непонятно что и как

[proud cobalt]

Yes it is possible

[lucid junco]

Каменный который?

Или железный

[languid kayak]

following the discussion below, seems it was about "crafts" Wouldn't figure it myself too 😛

[proud cobalt]

@lucid junco Can you tell him this is still work in progress, but this is the recipe to make an axe with head and a handle. Not just Sledgehammer.
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Calvy/sandbox

[lucid junco]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Calvy/sandbox

Рукоядь в билде многофункциональна

[proud cobalt]

Thanks

[proper depot]

Спасибо
Thank

[lucid junco]

Берешь молоток, рукоядь и головку от любого инструмента(топор, кирка) и крафтишь

[proper depot]

У какого топора больше урон и прочность? Маталического?

Раз есть каменный

[lucid junco]

У металлического

Ну а вообще пожарный до сих пор лучший топор :p

[proper depot]

Он лучше чем те которые кравтятся?

Думал они будут одинаковы

[lucid junco]

Вроде, я особо не чекал если честно

[proper depot]

Прочность думал будет разницой

[lucid junco]

Ну на топоре урон не так важен

С критами любой будет шотить как прежне

[proper depot]

Как скравтить голову топора?

Металическую/каменную

В вике не нашёл

[lucid junco]

Пока нету

Опять же, не успеваем все обновить пока что

[proper depot]

Понимаю

[lucid junco]

И честно хз

Я этим не занимался

[proper depot]

Сами разрабы не успевают)

[lucid junco]

Может на станке металлургическом

Но его крафтить жопу надорвешь

Есть один готовый на карте

https://b42map.com?10112x8248

[flint vapor]

Wtf is going on here

[lucid junco]

B42 crafting discussion

We try to craft an axe without wiki

[languid kayak]

yeah, I translated it all, I don't mind, but seems it's less wiki now, so DM might be preferred 😛

but yeah, Calvy's WIP is what we have now

[lucid junco]

Yeah, so on wiki topic

Most of the new logos are compiled

Now I have to separate them from tilesheets and straighten

[rotund echo]

Damn I didn't know you spoke Russian

[languid kayak]

He still does 😄

[proper depot]

Почему персонаж ловит панику когда спит?

Он чистый

[languid kayak]

but yeah, it was on #translations mostly

[lucid junco]

Пиши мне в лс

[proud cobalt]

@kind sphinx This isn't it, we shouldn't even give an ETA as we're all volunteers and do what we can when possible. But a month is not gonna be close.
#pz_b42_chat message

[kind sphinx]

My bad! Idk what was going through my head either in retrospect that is ridiculous

Will refrain from commenting on stuff like that in the future, especially since I’m not nearly as active or familiar with the wiki as the rest of you guys

[languid kayak]

while wiki is never done, it also depends on what generally "done" encompass 🤔. But yeah, generally no ETA as a rule of thumb is probably the best 😄

Didn't read the whole convo, but basically best to just point folks to see what version is at the top (and instruct editors to bluntly update it), then https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Version is the rough estimate on progress (but not a metric of weight, some page are not equal other).

also some pages are listed in both categories currently, and some are only autogenerated

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Site_maintenance links to other such metrics

[kind sphinx]

Gotcha, talking about zomboid related items and ETAs probably isn’t a good idea thinking about it😅

Should stick with my usual response, SOON ™️

[proud cobalt]

No problem, just saw it while doing my usual browse of wiki related messages. I just don't want people to get the wrong idea for us either is all. Still appreciate your help lately

[proud cobalt]

Yeah it's because the page version hasn't been updated but the CodeBox (retrieved template) has. As we get further along into B42 it will open up as to what is stuck on old versions (like 42.0.1 now)

[kind sphinx]

Nah don’t want to cause any hassle for you or the rest of the wiki team, so I’ll be more careful with my language with the wiki in here as I am with the language on the wiki itself, and I ought to thank you for all the work you put in

Also will get back to creating missing pages and getting the barebones layout and basic information down, just been traveling the last couple of days.

On a related note, I was doing some scrolling of the recent changes and saw someone created the sanitorium page but the whole thing needs a formatting and language overhaul in its current state https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Sunderland_Hills_Sanatorium

So I’ll probably work on that while I’m sitting in the airport

[languid kayak]

I think there's actually least to work as far as missing pages go, I still have some catching up to all the work you did in January, but basically https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Site_maintenance (autogenerated) https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Tasks (it wasn't much updated after b42 though and some initial tasks lost their purpose in favor of b42 stuff) or projects themselves (best to consult leaders on what are plans for action/things wanting most work in them are) are the best starting points

[digital helm]

Oh no

[kind sphinx]

Gotcha, will direct my focus there!

Although after this sanitorium page because I would feel remiss if I left it in that state

[languid kayak]

again :D?

[languid kayak]

oh right, new locations, yeah, those need writing, forgot that many of those don't exist 😄

[digital helm]

I think this was my fault. I may have forgotten to update the item infoboxes after adding a parameter 😄

[digital helm]

If you feel like taking a break from locations, the b42 project needs some love too 😄 https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Project_Build_42_Update#Subprojects

[proper depot]

Как стерилизовать бинт?
How to sterilize a bandage?

It used to be easier, you boil, you press, but now how?

[digital helm]

This channel is for discussing editing the wiki, rather than for general questions. The folks in #pz_b42_chat might be able to help.

You should also be able to find this info in the crafting menu in-game.

[kind sphinx]

Map was already huge and they give us even more!

[digital helm]

Should've seen how long it took just to get to this point

and all the layout revisions

[kind sphinx]

The community around PZ has grown incredibly over the last couple of years so I’m hopeful it will be a faster process

Speaking as someone who joined in those years

[languid kayak]

when b42 mp drops, the influx will be huge I guess; you'd have to compare to b41 mp.

[digital helm]

To be fair, most people joined in the last couple of years. I remember how excited I was was it hit more than 2x the previous record for consecutive players which was something like 3500 😄

[kind sphinx]

This is lofty but my prediction is consistent top 20 steam position, either when B42 stable hits or NPCs coming back in B43

[languid kayak]

gee, it was that long ago? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Build_41#IWBUMS_Build_41.12

https://steamdb.info/app/108600/charts/#6y

[proud cobalt]

Ok i did some basic formatting on this, it still has some major work that needs to be done, but not really my wheelhouse atm, at least it looks like a wiki article now though.
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Sunderland_Hills_Sanatorium

Will ping @lucid junco and @naive imp about it, though Joe said he will take a look at it too