pzwiki_editing

[flint vapor]

It's in Lua object yeah

But it not in Lua (API)/Lua object I guess is the confusion ?

[lucid junco]

No need to eat or drink

When you become an active wiki member your mind is uploaded so that you can work even more efficiently

[flint vapor]

Mods can do it

[languid kayak]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Talk:Junk_Baron leaving it here for the interested parts, I think it's safe to assume that https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Junk_Baron is a wrecking yeard, though it does lacks vehicles and is marked as construction site in both PZ maps.

[languid kayak]

Are the IDs here correct? https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Annotated_Map&curid=50853&diff=765139&oldid=760449

Does Brandenburg uses Rosewood map's ID?

[languid kayak]

@proud cobalt apparently https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Combination_Padlock spawns now so I guess a distribution table could be added?

[lucid junco]

Zombie type probably goes after names of the businesses

Junk Baron *Scrap Metal Machine Parts 'N More* is likely implied to be a junkyard at least

[lucid junco]

As we've established with earlier examples (unnamed gas stations having Gas 2 Go zombie type)

[languid kayak]

is this exclusive to b42 or b41 as well? https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Metagame&curid=2875&diff=766953&oldid=591925

[lucid junco]

It isnt exclusive and a very common trick

It also works with bathtubs

I think

[languid kayak]

There's no zombie type for this though

[languid kayak]

wasn't sure if it refers to cleaning bandages that was removed in b42, but apparently not I guess?

[lucid junco]

It likely refers to water filtering with sinks

[green plume]

I want to add welding recipes and buildings to the welding page but it is currently about metalworking

Is that correct?
To be honest i haven't gained any metalworking xp,is it an obsolete skill?

[languid kayak]

iirc old blacksmith = new metalworking

old metalworking = welding

[languid kayak]

I've been thinking now, @serene sage what about making Easter eggs subproject of Project Lore? @tulip kiln you could be a de-facto leader, since I always ping you with Easter eggs anyway 😄

[serene sage]

I'd be down with it, the two are pretty related and besides it seems that literally every other item/place in PZ is a reference/easter egg

[languid kayak]

@proud cobalt not sure if there's more errors like that? https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Cologne&curid=11716&diff=767853&oldid=762345

[green plume]

Oh ok,thanks!

I added welding item recipes to the welding page

I wanted to also add welding building info,but i don't know where to add them since the old recipes are up

I have these for now but i don't know how to do the process of adding them:

[languid kayak]

I wonder to what category should I put this? It seems to be the only one image of NPC from flyer 🤔 Any idea @lucid junco? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:WP_Mayor_Flyer.png

it's technically not https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Outfit_images

also not https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Character_concept_arts

[lucid junco]

Fliers images

Just as is in Newspaper Images

I think

[languid kayak]

Technically it's from flier, so https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Flier_images so maybe I'll just put it there

[languid kayak]

Unfortunately it seems that the <@&1205891296565268520> role is no longer pingable, but the good news is that the monthly summary is up now at https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:News#December_2024_summary

Happy New Year and happy build 42 everyone!

(or is it :D)

[pseudo pollen]

!

[flat sun]

i can tell you it's quite pingable 😅

[gilded plaza]

I just got pinged but fire 🔥

[lean topaz]

oh its pingable alright lol

[warm haven]

It is

[pale iron]

I got pinged you’re fine

[tribal laurel]

I got pinged

[neon bone]

very pingable

[lean topaz]

you summoned the horde

[little flicker]

[strong flax]

👁️

[pseudo pollen]

[frail fossil]

Why tf I GET PINGED

[gilded plaza]

[languid kayak]

yeah 😄

[heavy dune]

most def pingable lol

[latent ermine]

[lean topaz]

happy new year 🙂

[gusty frost]

if i had to geuss, just a little pingable

[urban ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/zombie-horde-mob-attacking-rushing-gif-15724807

[serene sage]

@languid kayak looks like you just pressed 'Q'

[sleek cairn]

xdd

[olive canopy]

[molten kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/ping-gif-20035980

[strong flax]

[languid kayak]

I took the antidote 😄

[little flicker]

may the year 1994 be good for you

[lime kettle]

no mention of the muscle fatigue stats... were they removed...

[urban ridge]

Dont think so

[languid kayak]

0.6 of what it used to be, though

[lime kettle]

nope, it's still there

[dull escarp]

hes done?

[lime kettle]

well yeah, but that's just the multiplier for combat

[dull escarp]

or not

[dull escarp]

aaaaa not undestend

[brittle shoal]

hi

[dry robin]

That is a massive undertaking to write all that.. Kudos to you guys honestly, that's great work and no wonder people apprecaite doing this!

[mystic zinc]

Great use of ping! 🤠 👍

[languid kayak]

took probably more than it should anyway, but this month was really active with pretty muchall the project leaders sending something over 🙂

I'd be surprised if there's no typos and such 😄

[flint vapor]

Especially since I sent a freaking thesis about the modding part

[dry robin]

A new map, a new build, massive undertaking and tehn a giant summary.. that would only have been larger had they dropped MP build too!
.. I fear for all of you the day B43 comes along

[serene sage]

I'm imagining... the logic trees associated with each type of NPCs... all the possible permutations of different NPC story elements

nothing to be worried about in the present

maybe

[dry robin]

I'll make sure there is plenty of chocolates. Some wine and a space to scream into the void xD

[last tapir]

stop ping

[proud cobalt]

Feel free to remove the wiki editor role in the channel and roles option

[proud cobalt]

What's the error? It should be 100ml

[last tapir]

sorry im busy editing another wiki rn

get back to me when wiki needs edit

[proud cobalt]

Oh it adds units in the infobox template. @digital helm Do you prefer units in template or per article?

[digital helm]

Oh woops. I guess having it in the template will make translating simpler

[proper stag]

[tulip kiln]

Ye sure if everyone else is cool with it

[digital helm]

If getting pinged for wiki related things is a nuisance, you can remove the wiki editor role in "Channels & Roles" 🙂

[proper stag]

Is meme

relax

but thanks for friendly reminder

[floral python]

hello, all, about to edit the page for the new tent

oh yeah, does anyone know that adding a pillow to any place you're sleeping at increases resting rate

'cause you can shove one in a tent as well

[digital helm]

Looks like it's missing from the pillow page, would be good to add it there too https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Pillow

[floral python]

kk

will do

o7

Question: How do i redirect to other pages? i need to get the packed tent page

or should we link the two

[primal remnant]

(Also this might be weird but ty to everyone for being so welcoming, even though I'm a very new player and very very new editor. I want to contribute more to the wiki, though b42 is massive and. Overwhelming lol)

[floral python]

Me too, i kinda started editing bc i had a military backpack, and there was nothing on the wiki about how it can hold tents and sleeping bags

[digital helm]

Keep it as separate pages for now. But you can redirect with #REDIRECT [[PAGENAME]]

[floral python]

coolio, thanks!

[digital helm]

Good to have you! It's overwhelming for us all, don't worry 😄

[floral python]

how does it look?

[digital helm]

Much better than how it was

[floral python]

hee hee

I'll edit the packed tent next

okay, better

[primal remnant]

Straight up game of the year

[proud cobalt]

It's model is even better

[primal remnant]

Hell yeah

Maybe one day we'll get frog animals too

[proud cobalt]

Ok Updater script will now work on item page with more than 1 item ID, it will however prioritise the first item and update the infobox with that. Becasue of that, the first ID should be the primary one. This will coinside with the major splitting we did last year, item pages with more than 1 ID should really only be varaints with no differences.

This is obviously a new update to the script, so if you see any issues please let me know

It would probably be possible to add <br> then the value of the second id if it differs for some parameters. I'm thinking weight, equipped, etc?

[proud cobalt]

I've implemented this

Only concern is theres no descriptor. I could add one using <small>? then the item ID strip Base.
https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Bandage&diff=prev&oldid=771519

[proud cobalt]

This is what i've gone with for now
https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Bandage&diff=next&oldid=771639

Hmmm 🤔
https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Umbrella&diff=prev&oldid=771795

[digital helm]

Less of an issue with fluids now, but I wonder if this'll cause issues with some drainable items? 🤔 we have the weight_full parameter

[digital helm]

Regardless, this is really good

[languid kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/frog-ice-fridge-froggie-gif-22303649

[languid kayak]

Whoa, that's crowded

[proud cobalt]

Yeah... But it's the only one afaik

I can blacklist umbrella, it just won't auto update

[languid kayak]

nah, guess it's fine as it is for auto update, though if someone comes forth and updates it, then maybe it indeed could be blacklisted. Not sure how long it is on mobile

That's kinda why I like to have one item per page btw, but the colors are annoying 😦 Unless they'll be somewhow merged in code at one point (which I don't think so, as clothing suffers the same)

btw, I noticed that the script bumps the version in infobox and codebox, but not the page version, could it be automated?

[digital helm]

The idea was to have it changed when it's reviewed by editors. Since the bot can only update values, the written info on the page could be outdated

[digital helm]

Hopefully. There were a lot of merges, such as electric guitar, which is now just 1 id instead of 3. I guess umbrella is a bit special though as it opens and closes

[languid kayak]

That's a valid point indeed, could technically be made for pages without content/usage and extra text on locations, and/or if nothing was changed in scripts and districtibutions.

One problem is that people often don't bump that, not sure if there's anything we can do to make it more obvious?

Also, while at it, I've been thinking whether the oldid could be more obvious, it causes some confusion with I think not many people realizing we're going straight for b42 and b41 legacy info is hidden behind that little link for those stuck with b41 (multiplayer basically).

[digital helm]

Bigger problem is changes to Lua and Java, since we can't reliably parse it.

I don't think the not bumping the version number is something we can help. We'll just have to fix it when reviewing the recents. But also, if someone adds one small detail from a later version, but there's still a lot of outdated info, I wonder if that's reason to update the page version? To me, the page version is to say that the page has been reviewed and is up-to-date to that version

I'm not sure how much more obvious we can make it without it being an eyesore or getting in the way. The page version template is already too big imo

[proud cobalt]

Barrotrauma wiki make it very obvious, i dont have an issue with it being large, at least during the main transition period

https://barotraumagame.com/wiki/Template:Version

[digital helm]

I like theirs. It helps having it to one side

[proud cobalt]

Yeah fit's their style/skin more though. But it is big, obvious, and the first think you see

They're even smaller than us

[digital helm]

I'm going to steal this

I'm definitely happy looking into doing something like their version template. Part of our problem is the block of text

[proud cobalt]

I mean i think out Mbox is good, i just dont think having it be large is an issue

[languid kayak]

the more eyestore it gets, the more incentive to figure out what to do to update it for the editors 😄

[thin cloud]

Yes

Forbidden material

These are from back when we were going to do the fliers like the newspapers (using the in-game code) as opposed to doing them all as one image

[languid kayak]

sounds like it, yeah. I guess that one point during development it might be worth to just remove the extra ones, no point shipping unused material to the user, especially as these are loose files (and some are definitely 100% WIP/unfinished)

[lucid junco]

Ooh, thats probably why there are some leftover code for fliers that references these images

[thin cloud]

A peek behind the curtain!

[lucid junco]

Still would be the best logo quality we will ever get

No matter how much I try to make straightened logos look good, they will always be inferior to officially redrawn ones

[vital cairn]

USR hasn't been implemented into the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Radio article yet, it's still blank

[proud cobalt]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-to-do-list-long-list-gif-5580267

Add it to the end

[thin cloud]

May ask Nasko

[vital cairn]

Do I keep the ref for broadened horizonZ if it has already been established what USR does

[digital helm]

Feel free to add it https://pzwiki.net/wiki/USR like most pages that one hasn't been updated since b42 came out

[vital cairn]

Currently working on that

[digital helm]

Nah, can remove references to b42 blogs

[vital cairn]

What MHz is USR on again?

The article on USR is automatically generated so it doesn't say

[digital helm]

94.2 by the looks of it

[vital cairn]

Thanks

Alright, I added USR to the list

[digital helm]

Thanks for the help 🙂

[vital cairn]

np, I'll go check on the TV channels next

Do I use the shortened name or full name when adding KPATV to the list?

[languid kayak]

I think shortened from brevitiy, and IIRC that's how it appears in the channel list, though it depends on context

[vital cairn]

Alrighty!

[languid kayak]

I knew I forgot something, but also wanted to give huge shoutout to @serene sage's work on https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ol08kuLKx8KTRHCq4dwO7axRNjgItlS2xXqM8CBYn8c – this didn't get much attention as we were all surprised with the B42 release, but it is a great reference material!

[vital cairn]

Which channel is KPATV on?

I would check if I could but I don't play B42, my pc can't handle it

[languid kayak]

what's your PC out of curiosity? B42 was supposed to be lighter, so it might be matter of the OS/drivers I guess?

They did lower the OpenGL requirements for macOS too

[vital cairn]

an old HP elite 8300, intel integrated graphics 2500

from 2012-ish

I'm not surprised it's not a fan of B42 lmao

[digital helm]

206?

[languid kayak]

It's windows? Intel drivers are known to be bad for Windows, though you may actually try dual booting for b42 on Linux

[digital helm]

This is all in RadioData.xml btw

[vital cairn]

Yeah, it's windows

And I don't want to attempt a dual boot, I once tried a dual boot with XP and it almost bricked my system

Which I really don't want because this is my only usable computer that I got for free

Anyway we're getting offtopic

What would KPATV be categorized as if it just replays a bunch of old shows?

I wrote "Various programmes"

[digital helm]

@serene sage was looking at this. I think he went with "general" #pzwiki_editing message

[vital cairn]

mkay

[languid kayak]

I wouldn't really try XP at this point 😄 Dual booting is PITA, though at that point, I'm not sure your PC can even handle newer windows, and Microsoft is already dropping win10 support soon, not to mention Steam officially don't support anything prior to this.

And yeah, by the research your iGPU is indeed older and not maintained by Intel anymore, but the has full OpenGL 4.2 support and partial support for everything up to OpenGL 4.6 on Linux.

42.0.0 required OpenGL 3.3, but should theoretically work below that even, from #patchnotes message:

Convert GLSL 330 syntax to 150 when the available OpenGL version is less than 3.3.

This should allow the game to run on MacOS again, in theory.

[thin cloud]

Everyone please keep me up to date on any flyer/newspaper issues you find

[vital cairn]

I just suddenly got logged out of the wiki when I tried to see a preview of my edit

[digital helm]

refresh and resubmit form if prompted

[languid kayak]

I think there's even mesa for Windows, but not sure how it works, I think Bear (or was it someone else) suggested it may be helful for performance on older iGPUs – seems to be this: https://github.com/pal1000/mesa-dist-win

[vital cairn]

Did that, still said I was logged out

welp, I didn't lose much anyway

I assume music video channel is 207

[digital helm]

Yeah 207

National Sports 208
Brennan Movie Channel 209
GBC 210

[vital cairn]

Very convenient that all the new channels are in chronological order

And since MVC is, well, a music channel, I don't have to type out all the songs it plays, right?

[languid kayak]

From the memory, there's this, where the same street was called two different names #pzwiki_editing message

Other than that, there were various flyers that had screenshots from an old b41 map project (buildins often lack floors and in one there was a stiched line visible). Not sure @lucid junco has the full list, but that'd be the person to ask 😄

[digital helm]

Nah 😄 I don't think we did that with Hitz FM

[languid kayak]

I have found some issues with the item naming and some UI interface names, but I didn't compile the list anyway yet

[vital cairn]

Do I put the names of the hosts into the "Shows" tab too? That seems to be the case with other shows like WBLN

[digital helm]

Yeah, just copy the layout of other pages

[vital cairn]

Alright

Also should I add the (build 42) ref to all the new channels?

Like this

[languid kayak]

btw @proud cobalt @digital helm something I realized yesterday, is that when there's multiple icons for item and models are not uploaded, a red link is showed instead of pixelated miniature. Is it something we can change to pixelated icon instead? See https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Military_Backpack_(survivor) for example

[digital helm]

No. That one was only added because it was before b42 was out

[vital cairn]

Alrighty

[digital helm]

lol I was hoping you wouldn't see that 😄 if I have nothing to do, I can think about it. But not in any tearing rush to do it

[vital cairn]

BMC is also "general" programmes I assume

[digital helm]

"Movies" probably

[vital cairn]

true

Well I mean

it also broadcasts movie critiques and reviews

[digital helm]

I'd still classify that as a movie channel. It's everything about movies

[vital cairn]

Fair

But what would I call these reviews?

do I just say "review of The Forgotten Element"?

[languid kayak]

person2 seems to be Roger Triskel?

person3 is Susan Bauman, so just call them Roger and Susan I guess

[vital cairn]

I was referring to the name of the show, not their hosts

[digital helm]

I'd just call it "Movie review"

So long as that's in the shows section

[vital cairn]

BMC has a worrying amount of movies

[digital helm]

Is this on the BMC page, or the television page? If it's on the television page you only need to list the shows in the table. I.e. Movie<br>Movie review
Otherwise it'll end up like this https://pzwiki.net/wiki/VHS#Movies

[vital cairn]

A lot of the broadcasts in GBC don't have names so I'll only include the ones that have names

[vital cairn]

Oh-

[digital helm]

Better to list the individual movies on the BMC page imo

[vital cairn]

Well that was a waste of time

[digital helm]

From memory, we only had 'shows' for recurring shows, which usually cycles through 4 a day

Life and Living was a bit special because it gave the player some benefit, that people really wanted to know

[vital cairn]

The problem is that all of the movies are different, the only one that repeats is the last one, Goblin Dog

[digital helm]

Yeah, so I'd just give them a generic term, like "Movie"

[vital cairn]

mkay

The same for GBC?

[digital helm]

The music one? Yeah

[vital cairn]

The general programming one

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/GBC

[digital helm]

I guess so? I haven't read them yet

I generated them, but didn't read them 😄

[vital cairn]

can relate..

[ornate tapir]

Does the Lake in the south have a name? or the area around it?

[vital cairn]

I finished with the TV channels, finally

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Television#Channels

[digital helm]

this one?

This map is at ProjectZomboid\media\maps\Muldraugh, KY\worldmap.png btw

[ornate tapir]

right, forgot there's this map too

thx

[digital helm]

Looks good. I've removed the width limits, so it can breathe

[vital cairn]

Neato

yay I contributed something for once

[proud cobalt]

@digital helm @languid kayak Happy to deploy this? It only adds 1 expensive call per icon, so really not an issue afaik.

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Calvy/sandbox2
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Infobox_item/sandbox

[digital helm]

Looks good. I'm happy

[proud cobalt]

Alright let me check a few more things

Merged into main

[proud cobalt]

This should update now. Must be a cache thing? Exact same source in my sandbox works great
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Calvy/sandbox2

[serene sage]

@languid kayak @tulip kiln I've created the easter eggs subproject here: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Project_Lore#Subprojects all you guys have to do is add whatever tasks you want to the job board (under the "easter eggs" section)

[digital helm]

issue? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Mail icon2 is empty

[proud cobalt]

Uhh

Icon3 had question mark in wrong place, fixed that

Looks like that was the issue when i put this into sandbox it disapears. Might take a minute to repopulate

[digital helm]

all good now

[tulip kiln]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Magazine:_Secrets_of_the_Outback_Outlaws Yooo that's gotta be another easter egg, sounds like the kelly gang

[languid kayak]

@proud cobalt @digital helm any idea why this is still classified as requiring a model? It has all three of them: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Big_Hiking_Backpack

[thin cloud]

I think Third Street is the one to the left, so technically the Town Hall is on Maria Street. HOWEVER note we haven't plotted all the streets on a map yet to ensure they're called the same names

[tulip kiln]

yet

that can mean more street names, meaning even more easter eggs

[lucid junco]

I mean

There will definitely be more flyer

So 100% more street names

[languid kayak]

and better plot the names in advance to avoid such pitfalls later

[tulip kiln]

Am I going insane or is the Outside Notes bar in brandenburg based on the bar in Blues Brothers? People have been saying it is and I feel like it could be, but I'm unsure.

[languid kayak]

We have Jefferson Street yet btw? Would make a nice easter egg: https://pzwiki.net/w/images/8/87/Project_Zomboid_Cover.jpg

[lucid junco]

How canonical is death of characters like Dean, Woodcraft guy(aka NotDean), Judge Matt Hass and others that hadn't explicitly died from zombies and/or zombification?

[proud cobalt]

It's very possible I made a mistake in the model section, will have to look tomorrow

[languid kayak]

While at it, I wonder if the 4th icon is there by accident too? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Hiking_Backpack

[digital helm]

Nope, it's defined twice IconsForTexture = Hiking_Blue;Hiking_Green;Hiking_Red;Hiking_Green,

[lucid junco]

B42 had introduced multiple zone stories with them in zombified form, but I personally assume that its just a shortcoming

[languid kayak]

technically we know why Doe is there (Jack/Jane Doe), but he'd share the same name as the tutorial character 😄

[digital helm]

The fourth is a camo variant

    <textureChoices>clothes\bag\hikingbagblue</textureChoices>
    <textureChoices>clothes\bag\hikingbaggreen</textureChoices>
    <textureChoices>clothes\bag\hikingbagred</textureChoices>
    <textureChoices>clothes\bag\HikingBag_Camo</textureChoices>

[languid kayak]

ah, so the last one is camo

[lucid junco]

Ofc, its a tf2 reference to soldier alias

100%

[tulip kiln]

Would it be?

Cause aren't names like Jack/Jane Doe more just generic? They typically get used as names for unidentified corpses etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Doe

[lucid junco]

That was an elaborate reference to my previous message about it

[languid kayak]

@flint vapor with https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=How_to_make_a_clothing_mod&curid=18517&diff=753163&oldid=651971 cutting most of things out (the Discord links were dead indeed), what to do with https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Tut1.png ? Are you planning on uploading the rest of the images from the guide? The page is currently an empty husk of itself (old version for those wondering is https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=How_to_make_a_clothing_mod&oldid=651971 but it's indeed unfinished, so not sure whther to keep an oldid for it?)

[lucid junco]

But John, Jane Doe is a name and surname for unidentified or undisclosed people, yeah

[thin cloud]

If you can find them as zombies, they're canonically dead, otherwise it's open

[lucid junco]

Not my beloved Dean

[lucid junco]

On topic of zone stories, there is a Twiggy's story where Sir Twiggy is zombified in the bar, but we know that he (and his family) was unable to go back to his bar(at least, the wording is a bit confusing to me), due to military

[vital cairn]

You're kinda right but it's missing the cage on the stage

[vital cairn]

as in it doesn't have a cage in the movie

[tulip kiln]

no it does

[digital helm]

All fixed now. A case of nested templates and JS confusing everything

[tulip kiln]

in the movie the cage is blocking them from getting hit by drinks being thrown by the audience

[vital cairn]

oooh

[tulip kiln]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFjB1qCxtfU&t

[vital cairn]

my bad then

It probably is based on that bar then, funny

[digital helm]

Looks a lot like it. May have just been a common layout though, as the pool tables are in a completely different spot

[tulip kiln]

ye I just figured cause of the cage.

unless having a cage on your bar stage is a super common thing in murican bars or something, i dunno

[digital helm]

@naive imp many cages around your bar stages?

[languid kayak]

also @flint vapor is it 41.78.16 on purpose? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PersistentOutfitID I also assume it's neither a Java object, Lua object, or Lua event or something like that?

btw @wooden tinsel I noticed that you stated on your user page that played PZ back when the NPC were there; you don't happen to have the old versions of PZ (pre-Steam) somewhere on your drive still? We are archiving them as part of https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Project_History together with @proud cobalt and @lucid junco – doesn't have to be in a working order.

This is the list of what we're missing https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Project_History#Old_builds but if you have other builds we already have, the ones we managed to find online sometimes turned out to have some differences, are translated, or badly cracked

[thin cloud]

He must have snuck back in

[fair leaf]

Guys, Do animal feces really make fertilizers? Is this proven (within the game)? Or has it not been implemented yet?

[naive imp]

Idk bro I'm not of drinking age lol

It's 21 in the states for any alcohol

But we can go die in a war at 18

[serene sage]

looks like it’s basically non-existent: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskAnAmerican/comments/rsttpc/how_usual_it_is_that_there_is_a_chicken_wire_and/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[flint vapor]

Bro, I'm pratically alone writing the wiki, there's plans for it but the original page had literally 0 points to it and not even working links

[flint vapor]

When I wrote it, it was B41. Now that I modded a bit since B42 release, I can confirm most stuff there are still accurate, I just haven't test bit swapping in B42 but I highly doubt it changed, so it can most likely be bumped

[languid kayak]

yeah, but I wonder what are the plans for it 🤔 The image is currently unused and I wonder if the old version should be oldid for 41.78.16 or disregard it (the image will stay unused though).

And no ETA obviously, but I assume you had plans to improve it somehow? Since it's not straight up marked for deletion

[flint vapor]

The image file however is useless

[languid kayak]

I noticed it's in the guide, but there's more there

[flint vapor]

I do hope it gets completed, but possibly not by me bcs I'm not a clothing expert (ik enough to know the old page was useless asf however, unfinished shit and no one would ever continue on what was written there)

When I get into Scripts, I'll explain some bits possibly myself there but I need to push someone who knows more about the Blender part

[flint vapor]

Wdym ?

[languid kayak]

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2057635966695542089/4D3E2C2ECC80AFE7FAE72E315129A093879D63B6/

[flint vapor]

Same thing, no one will ever use that image

[languid kayak]

(and more images in the actual guide here: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3025955520)

[flint vapor]

I think if someone writes a Blender guide from scratch for clothing they'll want to use their own screenshots so they know what's going on

The screenshots that were on the page no one knew wtf it would be used for, what for etc

The problem is someone wrote a guide, and didn't even write more than a subsection

I'd rather clean the page to show people: "if you want to write a guide, go for it" than have a situation of "eh maybe someone is writing a guide rn and I can't use that space"

I believe spongie was possibly interested in writing a guide there, we'll see, I tried to push modder into making guides and resources on the modding wiki

But as of now, I'm the only one writing actively on the wiki (tho modding currently). CrystalChris wrote the animation guide, which I moved to the wiki but it was unfinished and I believe it's still a little bit unfinished but still has usable parts

[vital cairn]

Have the vehicle pages been updated yet to include the new variants

[flint vapor]

No idea

[vital cairn]

ima check then

[languid kayak]

@digital helm any reason fluids are called https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Substance_RTMS-M1A1_(fluid) and not just https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Substance_RTMS-M1A1 ?

is the (fluid) suffix mandatory to all the fluids?

[vital cairn]

I kinda want to make the existing gifs longer to include all the new variants

but I don't know how

[kind sphinx]

They have not

[vital cairn]

a

Alright I figured out how

now I need a bit of help

Since I can't play B42, could someone go and maybe perhaps take screenshots of all the new stepvan variants? please?

preferably in good condition?

[languid kayak]

Do we need this? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Speed_Spiffo.png it's pretty much the same as https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Driver.png

Also https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Talk:Irvington_Speedway

[kind sphinx]

Yep just looked into it, that's what I get for never reading the survival guide!

you can pitch it, I had no idea it was already an asset and it wasn't featured in the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Spiffo's article, but was in the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Spiffo article

[languid kayak]

it's also on the main wiki page, but I know it's mostly either searching for the thing wanted or from google 😛

to the point the main page wasn't really updated since b42 🙃

[kind sphinx]

right in front of me this whole time...

but yeah I haven't really been using the main page lol

[vital cairn]

I don't want to bother but I don't really have an alternative to this

[languid kayak]

The whole Spiffo page has a lot of interesting Spiffo variants

[kind sphinx]

need to read up on my spiffo lore

[languid kayak]

We sadly didn't get any new Spiffo for a while and the new survival guide only featurtes the placeholders in the end

[kind sphinx]

sadly not but the new locations are neat, and I've been getting those updated too

and gonna do some menial tasks like creating all these location pages

And using the boilerplate too so they're consistent, but for the strategies I might have to open up b42 and continue with my irvington character

[languid kayak]

names may change a little, I already see we have F. Arable linked twice

[kind sphinx]

yeah some of the names are gonna be tough

except for Tobacco (store), that's accurate somehow

[languid kayak]

yeah, I updated the Tobacco link in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Irvington#Businesses and F. Arable link in locations but better double check if the names are the same 🙂

[kind sphinx]

although I can do the school now cause I already cleared that and it was a doozy

[languid kayak]

oh yeah, and some minor stuff, for these use {{Infobox location}} instead of region, also |2=XXXXX isn't needed for new articles, it's only to link to an old 41.78.16 version of the page and these weren't existing back then

See https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Brandenburg_Fire&type=revision&diff=777939&oldid=769433 for how I changed it

[vital cairn]

uh

[languid kayak]

We actually moved away from GIFs, so you're better off to just making them anew and then using class="cycle-img", e.g., <span class="cycle-img">[[File:Car1.png]][[File:Car2.png]][[File:Car20.png]]</span>

[vital cairn]

I understand that, but it's a bit hard to make cycle images when I don't have any images

[languid kayak]

yeah 😄

We're all starved off time, so that's the hardest part

btw, you did see the my mention of https://github.com/pal1000/mesa-dist-win ? If PZ truly won't work, this may help get it running, as it allows to access newer OpenGL and potentially more performance out of intel cards on Windows

[vital cairn]

PZ does work, but it has major performance and graphical issues.. and I can't change my graphics settings

I could play on it if I wanted to but it would be very inconvenient

[languid kayak]

seems drivers then, there's also https://fdossena.com/?p=mesa/index.frag but no idea which would work on Windows

[vital cairn]

I have tried to download new drivers but it won't let me

my PC even gives me notifications every couple days

[languid kayak]

yeah, all's gray area I guess :/

But yeah, depending on what you do, your best option without fiddling would be just slapping any modern Linux distro on it, and I'd work better overall without all the hassle

[flint vapor]

@languid kayak the distribution list here is up to date right ?
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Procedural_distributions

Going to update the patch with better explanations of loot spawning and how to add your own (the current template pushes people into writing chains of table.insert which makes it terrible to modify)

[ornate tapir]

@languid kayak to answer your question, yes. the new annotated maps seem to be Base.RosewoodMap right now. i guess its a placeholder until the actual Base.Brandenburg etc. maps are in the game. maybe devs can shine more light to it

[languid kayak]

huh, interesting indeed. Might be worth adding to trivia, so we'll avoid these questions in the future (I'll actually go forward and do this)

[ornate tapir]

Good idea, thx

[serene sage]

seems really odd even if it is just temporary

[ornate tapir]

Jeah. I mean, the b42 annotated maps were shrunk down to just show a small part of the map, instead of the actual town map with annotations like in b41.
Maybe the plan is to make a whole new item for them. Idk

[serene sage]

seems a little weird that people would be cutting down the town maps in order to write annotations on them, surely it would be more helpful to have the whole town visible so someone else actually knows where they are

[ornate tapir]

Thx btw. @serene sage

Thats what i thought. People aint gonna cut out bits of a map to write on it

Luckily the map parts get shown on the player map, or else i'd be sitting here all year to find the places of the 'World' annotated maps lol

[serene sage]

B42 really downgraded debug mode by not having your character teleport to the location of the stash when you spawn in a map with Stash Debugger

it made the work back in B41 actually bearable

[ornate tapir]

True. I guess the map screenshots are better quality now, at least

I thought about adding map coordinates to the locations, just to make it easier to find them on the b42map

[serene sage]

that'd be pretty nice, would definitely add a lot more work but would likely be very useful

[ornate tapir]

im not that good with layout and stuff so if you guys could add a template or initial code for the layout, i'd add them while doing the rework

[serene sage]

also @ornate tapir nice work on the descriptions for the world annotated maps, I think this could be the main format for these annotated map descriptions

in any case I think we should decide on a standard format for these because if you take a look at the B41 map articles we both wrote them independently of one another and it seems a little weird to be honest

I've always wanted to clean them up in that regard but never found the time, we could do it now though since we're putting in all this work anyway

[languid kayak]

oh, I never realized we have a new Amnesia billboard with graffiti now

[serene sage]

bbq?

looks like that on the billboard

[languid kayak]

seems like placeholder to me tbf. They should hire @digital helm to make new maps for them 👀

[languid kayak]

I like that the text is actually there, so it's searchable (and folks with no images/vision impairedness can actually read them)

[serene sage]

exactly, I didn't even think about that when I was doing the descriptions for the maps I worked on

well I definitely could stuff in some cleanup work on the old B41 map articles

right after doing the TV and radio stations

...and the randomized stories

..and the fliers and books

[flint vapor]

@languid kayak is the distribution list automatically generated by the bot ?

Or can I replace it to add more information to it ?

[languid kayak]

yes, but Calvy had issues with importing the full list after b42 since it's simply too big to upload as one page

[flint vapor]

Hmm

Is it really that massive ?

47635 lines the distribution file

Nice

[languid kayak]

this one? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Room_definitions_and_item_spawns

[flint vapor]

No, procedural distribution

[languid kayak]

ah, then sorry 😄

yeah, the procedural geneartion is not autogenerated by the looks of it

[flint vapor]

Oh wow that page is laggy asf yea

[languid kayak]

but you'd have to ask the person in question

[languid kayak]

and b42 one wouldn't even upload

[flint vapor]

Yea that's not surprising lmao

[languid kayak]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/Uncompressed is who updated the page

[flint vapor]

@proud cobalt do you know if the Distributions list https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Procedural_distributions is automatically updated or no ?

[flint vapor]

Wait Incompressed is a person lmao ?

Also thought that was some weird bot or idfk xD

[ornate tapir]

agreed! if youre cool with that format, we can go with that.

[languid kayak]

aside from https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Special:ListUsers&group=bot it's all people, yeah 😄

[flint vapor]

👌

[serene sage]

perfect, I’ll put the improvement notice to the older articles later, I’ll pitch in once I finish the TV and radio station articles

[flint vapor]

Any idea who it is ?

[languid kayak]

https://b42map.com?4042x6519 I wonder if this stays too

[languid kayak]

nope, you can write on their talk page though

[digital helm]

No reason other than it was auto-generated, and easier to just append it to all of them. I don't have a system in place yet to get the page name from the fluid ID, like we do for items. I'll make a note to do this, then update them

[digital helm]

I don't think it's needed. It's literally the same image just in a different context. Unless it's for something specifically related to the Spiffo's advertising on the map

[fair leaf]

Anyone?

[flint vapor]

@languid kayak don't you think external links should be put at the start ?
https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Folders_structure&curid=21305&diff=767143&oldid=761299

I find it more accessible to be at the start, especially in big pages like that

And these tend to be interesting to have on hand when going through the guide (in this case at least)

It's a bit hidden at the bottom I feel like too ?

[digital helm]

It'd need to be verified in-game. Most of us regular editors haven't done a lot of work on animals. Looks like that (and the bulk of the article) was done by someone as their first and only edit

[digital helm]

They typically go at the end, like the see also section, as it's considered further reading

Also @languid kayak I don't remember if this was discussed previously, but wouldn't "Build XX" be capitalised? As it's a proper noun?

[flint vapor]

Wondering if it should be like that, I can technically also add more tags to it, as there are tags associated to each distribution tables

Before it looked like that

Is there any boolean tick for tables ?

[languid kayak]

External links normally go to the bottom, though if you want a link on top, you can paste it as a regular text, not under "external link" imo

[flint vapor]

hmm

Welp it's ok

The guide already lives by itself tbf

[languid kayak]

We did discuss it? I was thinking about it recently too, but remembered exactly the opposite 😄

So I've been changing it to this, though indeed "Build" it's mostly capitalized, even in TIS writing. So yeah…

Maybe I was wrong all the time 🙃

[flint vapor]

Found it

[languid kayak]

(and yeah, I'm fine changing it back, and actually it should be quite easy to do with bot after all?)

(just have to agree on one uniform spelling)

[languid kayak]

oh and sorry, I read it as we did discuss it, but you don't remember either. I think there was some brief discussion, but I vaguely remember it, so might as well be false memory.

[digital helm]

Lol, we're in the same boat then. I was doing it lowercase until recently too, so thought I'd bring it up.
Looking into when to and not to capitalise it makes it even more confusing. So I think if it's capitalised in the blogs, then we should too 😅

[languid kayak]

better late than ever 😄 I think it'd be best to add as a bot task then, If it will change only "build X" to "Build X" with X being a number from 1-45, or to be safe from let's say 20 to 45 hopefully nothing bad should happen

[flint vapor]

Pog

[digital helm]

That's cool 👌

[flint vapor]

That table is massive tho

[digital helm]

Hopefully not too slow?

[flint vapor]

I think it's okay

That's ~2500 lines I think, which means half are entries in the table

Is that too much ?

[hushed bobcat]

I tried to get some weather information from the source code, and running some simulations (because the thing is dynamic) I was able to get the following number for the temperature:

JAN | max=3.88 ; min=-1.63 ; avg=0.52
FEB | max=5.62 ; min=-3.49 ; avg=1.65
MAR | max=8.56 ; min=-0.85 ; avg=4.99
APR | max=15.55 ; min=4.80 ; avg=11.49
MAY | max=23.91 ; min=13.77 ; avg=18.16
JUN | max=28.60 ; min=17.66 ; avg=24.23
JUL | max=28.80 ; min=21.62 ; avg=24.94
AUG | max=26.43 ; min=19.04 ; avg=24.05
SEP | max=23.68 ; min=15.93 ; avg=19.86
OCT | max=17.33 ; min=10.57 ; avg=14.41
NOV | max=11.81 ; min=6.47 ; avg=8.56
DEC | max=7.44 ; min=-0.10 ; avg=3.57

Does that make any sense? (I shamelly can say that I never survived that long to check if those numbers make sense, but looks "fair" for the latitude being used).
I can add then it to the weather page as a table

[digital helm]

Seems accurate for the most part. Just the max seems a bit low for summer. But I wouldn't actually know

[digital helm]

That's definitely a huge table... I guess it's ok for a page like that though? We have this page which is similar. It was given a dedicated page as navigating around it would've been painful https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Nutritional_values

[flint vapor]

Welp, if it needs to be moved, we can see to do that one day

But yeah I feel like that's okay

[flint vapor]

Big problem with this codeSnip

Wait no nvm

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Procedural_distributions

Reworked the page

[digital helm]

Looks good

Yeah that table is huge 😄

You can make it a collapsible table, just in case people need to get under it. Add mw-collapsoble in the class attribute

[flint vapor]

I'll add that in thanks

[digital helm]

If you also add a caption in the table |+ caption here it'll move the toggle to above the table

[flint vapor]

Hmm adding the tag didn't work

[flint vapor]

The toggle ?

[digital helm]

mw-collapsible

A hide/show button

[flint vapor]

Didn't work either, I might put it wrong

{| class="wikitable theme-blue sortable mw-collapsible" style="text-align: center;

Oooh nvm it's on the far right

[digital helm]

Add the caption too. It's because the toggle appears in the right most column

[flint vapor]

Alright

That worked thanks

[digital helm]

You can also make a table start collapsed with mw-collapsed class

[flint vapor]

Alongside collapsible ?

[digital helm]

Yeah

[flint vapor]

That worked

[digital helm]

I've added a style to the caption so the text doesn't get squashed

This is just style="white-space: nowrap"

[flint vapor]

Perfect 👌

[digital helm]

For long captions you'd probably want to use min-length instead, since it won't wrap. For mobiles

[languid kayak]

Not sure you want to reply @flint vapor? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Talk:Folders_structure

[digital helm]

Little confused by the question. "Where" is stated directly above that

[languid kayak]

mayne could be clarified to "see above"?

[flint vapor]

No way even on the wiki I'm not safe from idiots who can't read xDDD

THERE'S NO WAY BRO

[languid kayak]

at least it shows how easy it is to create an account 😄

[digital helm]

Good luck making a mod 👍

Unless they mean "see relevant section on the subject"? Does that exist yet? They may be asking for a link to it

I love deciphering people's unclear questions 🙂

[flint vapor]

I'll answer him

How does that talk thing work ?

Do I just make an edit ?

[digital helm]

Just edit the section like a normal page

Add ~~~~ to autofill your signature

Usually use : to indent, to make it clearer that it's a reply/different user

[flint vapor]

uh

[digital helm]

Show preview will show your signature

[flint vapor]

Ah it did yeah nvm

I even clicked preview and was reading the wrong thing lol

I'm baffled by this lmao

Do we have an image of the Debug menu icon already on the wiki ?

Yea we do nvm

[proud cobalt]

Never seen that page in my life. But distribution has changes in B42 theres a bunch of other files that go into it now as 'clutter tables'

[flint vapor]

Curious that you share me that bcs I just dug through the procedural distribution file and literally nothing changed

Even dug through the java

Also the page wasn't outdated but didn't have that much informations

Which is why I updated it with way more info

[proud cobalt]

Average summer temps in Louisville are 32c, they dont have to deal with the 40+ we do 😄

[flat sun]

they were asking where the 'relevant section on the subject' is (there isn't one)

[flint vapor]

I'll fix that yea

[proud cobalt]

junk = ClutterTables.BinJunk,
junk = ClutterTables.ClosetJunk,
Etc

[flint vapor]

Yea I noticed that, tho I didn't knew that wasn't a thing in B41

I guess I can add a section about that

I'm never going to bed am I

[proud cobalt]

Dont feel pressure to add it today.
It's these files that it call to save space in the procedural lua

[flint vapor]

Nah I'm not planning on adding it today lol

[proud cobalt]

Vehicles does the same thing, which i dont actually parse in the location tables yet

That's why you find so much more crap in cars now

[flint vapor]

I noticed some of these default tables, I guess those could be used for distribution too

[proud cobalt]

Afaik they work the exact same, it's literally just to try organise the file and cut down on its size

[flint vapor]

Yea it's the same thing

Just they use those also to have some default type of loot I think

I noticed these were used for the parameter bags

[flint vapor]

Also I need to look at vehicle distributions

And zombie too

To add to the page

I really really don't like the way parameters are listed here
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Folders_structure#mod.info_file

Is there an alternative that you guys know about to present these parameters ?

Would a table be doable ?

I feel like a table would be good

But idk how limiting tables can be, like the tables can spread to the right, I would need to limit that probably

[proud cobalt]

Yeah or even just take them out of the codesnip and make a list with *

[flint vapor]

Tho there's some codesnip

For examples for some of these

Like that one

[proud cobalt]

Is there a section for each parameter? If so use a subheader instead

[flint vapor]

It uses subsections, but I'm really not a fan of it

Spreads too much vertically for not much for most of these parameters

Also it's using a subheader already

if that's what you mean

Hmm this type of table could do

Oh hell yeah that's perfect

Hell yea that's so much better
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Folders_structure#mod.info_file

Exactly what I was looking for

[digital helm]

Tables are good. They'll fit to the page the best they can. Just need to be careful with over using them, as they can slow down loading the page and the browser

If there's too many tables on a page I mean. E.g. https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Item_list

[jolly crow]

There's currently one small thing I want to ask the devs if I ever get the chance: is the Wild West tourist trap named, "Coalfield" or "Historical Coalfield?"

[digital helm]

It's "Historic Coalfield" on the map

And on the sign entering it

[proud cobalt]

Yeah I'd go with Historic Coalfield

[jolly crow]

I'll update it all sometime later, then.

[languid kayak]

That was prior to climate change 🙃

[languid kayak]

was thinking about it too; there's once place inside called just "Coalfield something", so wasn't sure, but yeah, historic coalfield for the place would be best and then call every venue inside verbatim.

[digital helm]

Yeah, but I'd say that's just part of the exhibit. To make them feel more immersed.

[proud cobalt]

I was going to say the same thing. Once you're inside it's no longer the historic coalfield, you're "going back in time" so it's just the coalfield

[flint vapor]

Yea that's fair

[proud cobalt]

OK I made some significant progress on parsing recipes over the past few days. There's two or three things I need to fix but the basics are all being parsed properly. Then it will come down to outputting for the wiki template.

The easiest way to do this for me would be to output the raw text to a single parameter like Input=XYZ and use line breaks and HTML tags for formatting. This would be easiest for the script to output, but make the template unusable by editors (hence splitting construction, which can't be parsed like recipes). I believe this would cut down the node usage significantly though.

Translation is something we have to consider too. The recipe parser is already set up to use translations (though most new ones are missing still currently), I figure I can output [[X/language|translated name]]? And just update each individual language. That's is unlessof course, we find that the reduced node count allows for ll to be used again.

Open do discussion by all editors. Can only tag a few.
@digital helm @languid kayak @naive imp

[digital helm]

I think that would be fine. I guess my only concern is that we may need a 'notes' section? I haven't looked into the new recipe format in great detail, but we have (had?) OnCreate functions which add another level of complexity to recipes, which may need to be noted in a separate section manually. These are in recipecode.lua. Other than that though, if it's automated, there shouldn't be a need to manually edit it.

We could try {{ll}} and if it causes issues, just go back to [[X/language|translated name]]?

[proud cobalt]

Notes would be simple to add to the table. Making it persistent is a bit more of a pain. It would change updating from copy pasting the whole page to using the bot to check and update individual recipes, which is possible, just adds complexity. I havnt looked too deep into on create. Is there anything in particular you're concerned about that on create does?

[digital helm]

This was where a lot of the 'odd' logic was kept, like multiple outputs, and dismantling products and probability (e.g. electronics)

It's also a lot of X hunger value, etc. which we don't need to worry about

or do we?

[proud cobalt]

Multiple outputs afaik is handled in the recipes now, there's a system for what items to output and how many of them. Probability I'm not sure on. Would require investigating.

[digital helm]

One I just stumbled on is can opening OpenCannedFoodWithKnifeOrSharpStoneFlake looks like tools is defined in recipecode Recipe.OnCreate.OpenCan

[proud cobalt]

I'll have to see how this is handled currently by the parser when I'm home

Another complication to recipes

B41: ~490 recipes including construction and vehicles
B42: ~600 recipes NOT including construction or vehicles

[thin cloud]

Coalfield

[quartz bear]

Coalfield

[digital helm]

@jolly crow @languid kayak Coalfield

[proud cobalt]

Coalfield

[serene sage]

Coalfield?

[flint vapor]

Coalfield.

[languid kayak]

Coalfield!

[ornate tapir]

is this a Zombieland easter egg or is it just me?

[digital helm]

surely!

Some businesses for the businesses page @naive imp @serene sage https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Stock_Certificate#Variants

[lucid junco]

#pzwiki_editing message

[jolly crow]

Thank you, Pat!

[digital helm]

514 issues of Brat Pen's House of Ideas 😄 https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Comic_Book#Variants

That's over 1 in 135 million to find the first idea 👀

[languid kayak]

it is, yeah 🙂

[languid kayak]

Egenerex
So should be https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Egener_EX renamed? Also pinging @thin cloud

Also minor

McCoy Logging
is missing the "Co." part https://pzwiki.net/wiki/McCoy_Logging_Co. technically

[lucid junco]

Its McCoy Logging Corporation technically 🤓

[lucid junco]

Death of the Nightporter

Jackie Jaye - Truthseeker!

[languid kayak]

And the Valu-Insurance again? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Valu_In$urance

[lucid junco]

Omega Department - Haunted Hargrave

[languid kayak]

Also in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Catalog#Variants there are some inclisstencies so we have some things to more and/or Pat to fix 😄

In this one https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Shoed_for_the_Stars the "F" is indeed capital, should we change it? OTOH https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Shoed_for_the_Stars_Sign is lowercase "f"

And I think I touched this: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Hit_Vids! (whether ! is part of the name)

already movedToyZ and Homeward btw

and for https://pzwiki.net/wiki/A.A.Ron_Hunting_Supply it's just a matter of (no) space

[ornate tapir]

Anyone an idea what to take for the main pic here? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Annotated_Map_(World)

[serene sage]

might not even be needed imo

for the town specific articles it helped show the town itself

not sure if people need a refresher on the entire map, which would be too large to be viewed comfortably

[ornate tapir]

jeah thoughts so. Whole map doesnt make sense, and there isnt really anything else to put there

[serene sage]

@ornate tapir the image of fallas lake might work better being next to the first map rather than the second map on the page: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Annotated_Map_(World)

they’re both in the same town anyway

[ornate tapir]

makes sense, ill change that.

[serene sage]

other than that the article looks great

[ornate tapir]

thanks. im not too sure about some of the pictures tho, quality wise

[serene sage]

they seem pretty fine, especially since they’re screenshots of the map site

cleaner than the clunky in-game screenshots I took at least

[naive imp]

@lucid junco now that I'm back from my violent illness and editing again if you wanna do the logos for new business pages as I create them?

I know you were feeling a Lil lost as to what to focus on and you did that before so maybe that'll give you an anchor point

I gotta work soon tho so I'll be making more pages in like 9-10hrs

Fucking society getting in the way

Lol

[lucid junco]

Aight, sounds like a plan

[naive imp]

I'll leave an {{improve}} on them for the logo just remove it when you're done 😀

[hushed bobcat]

Included this table in the weather page (https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Weather). Should I explain how this was obtained and calculated from the code? (so it can be reproduced again). If yes, where? (It's a bunch of technicality that the average reader probably don't care)

[flint vapor]

👀

That's cool

[tulip kiln]

Ye nice graph

[serene sage]

looks like the ones from wikipedia, pretty cool that it's from the game's code

maybe some calculations/explanation would be nice though because I almost thought it was sourced from a wikipedia article

[jolly crow]

The Backlog recently posted a video showing that whistles and harmonicas in either hand will change your Q shout. Purportedly, whistles will increase your shout radius by 2x and harmonicas by 1.5x

https://youtube.com/shorts/6KMHv3-700Y?si=ul2VCePSFRvB6ChY

[flint vapor]

How do you embed a video in the Wiki ?

Is it possible to do ?

Thought I had seen something about it, but this type of link doesn't work

[hushed bobcat]

Included an expandable section after the table 😉

[digital helm]

Can't embed videos. Just have to link them.
Would need an extension installed we don't have

[flint vapor]

Rip

[digital helm]

We had someone add that about whistles recently. Didn't know about the increased radius though. I'd assume loudness would be increased too then. I'll make a note to check that
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Whistle

[digital helm]

Maybe on the talk page?

You can describe the calculations to a degree, but I agree the average reader won't care much for it. A brief explanation of what it's displaying would be good too.

Looks great

[serene sage]

nice, looks pretty good; I've also added a bit of clarification at the bottom of the table and made the collapsible a bit more apparent so it should be quite clear now

[dry robin]

Just wanted to say I brought doughnuts and hot cocoa so everyone feels respected for working so hard and doing amazing !

[languid kayak]

prelude to playable instruments maybe? 👀

(the harmonica thing)

[lucid junco]

No thanks, mildly warm offee for me

I wont drink it unless its warm and instant

[languid kayak]

I generally use moka pot in home (so before going to work and home) = best coffee.

At work, we have a cheap dripper express and milled coffe, not ideal, but still

[lucid junco]

There are two Jackie Jays?

One will spawn at the LBMW trailer near refugee camp

Other will spawn wherever ig

[dry robin]

Before adding your hot water, add a splash of cold and use a spoon to mix it into a paste and then add the hot water afterwards. Conserves some of the caffeine and flavour, because instant is basically freeze dried it can shock the molecules when heat is applied :p

[proud cobalt]

I'll take an energy drink

[proud cobalt]

Interesting 🤔

[dry robin]

I miss energy drinks x3

[proud cobalt]

I hope with NPCs it's more random, like you can find her dead as a zombie, or held up alive in the office, or just not at all.

[digital helm]

Can they both spawn in the same playthrough though? Could come back to this #pzwiki_editing message

[lucid junco]

If id know

I dont speak in java

[languid kayak]

yeah, I remember we had some uncertainity in some NPC, I'd say we can say for clear the spawning NPCs are dead now (spoilers)

[lucid junco]

So K&B are dead now

So is Joan Hardwood

*Hartford

Nolan Nolan

[lucid junco]

Just like Mario Mario

[languid kayak]

huh, seems so indeed.

Though I wonder what the plan for stories is brewed, alternative timeline? We got K&B returning being teased https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:K%26B_intro.png though if memory serves right, if predated Pat's work

Dec 2019, so it's before b41 was a thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oULByHbq5Tk

and IIRC that's the last we heard of them

VERY EARLY WIP; Teaser test of the NPC AI Features and what it could look like later on in future builds.
"what it could look like"

so definitely not canon

[digital helm]

Yep

This is a fairly old internal video, created as a working proof-of-concept of various aspects of our NPC tech. It’s also not necessarily canonically accurate anymore. It was built to echo our earliest tech demo, but this might not be the start point we take with narrative in future, even if the characters would still be familiar.
https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2022/01/2022-and-beyond/

[digital helm]

I think the timeline and "what's canon" will be dynamic. So if playing sandbox, K&B may die early on, or undergo a series of events in which Bob dies and Kate is left on her own, etc. All part of the narrative NPCs

[languid kayak]

So sadly yeah, K&B might be just a memory at that point too

[digital helm]

I think they'll still be around, as part of b45, will just be a different story to how we remember them in the tech demo

[languid kayak]

one think I was thinkint about, too, yeah. If the original stories return that is

[lucid junco]

I mean, the original story had already changed somewhat

Even the Knox Event in real time is a bit outdated(?)

Or at least not very detailed

[ornate tapir]

Does rosewood still have the lowest zomboid pop of the spawn cities in b42? or is it unknown?

[thin cloud]

Not necessarily

[rotund echo]

Just like Major Major Major Major

[rotund echo]

In 41, Rosewood's population is rather deceptive. It's actually pretty high

But in 42, the true lowest population town now is Echo Creek, at the cost of very few POIs

[proud cobalt]

You're so cryptic 😆

[languid kayak]

Technically Nolan's surname is well known on the undeniable.info https://undeniable.info/NolanRitchie/ but maybe ther was reason it wasn't used?

[languid kayak]

Rosewood is zombie-infested since b42 lol

WEll, maybe not "infested", but surprisingly high compare to e.g. some Muldraugh's part

[rotund echo]

Rosewood in 41 is really deceiving

[languid kayak]

probably not more than b41 indeed, but feels like more as other areas were depopulated.

[rotund echo]

Noobs think it is low population, but anyone with long term experience in Rosewood knows that the zombies just never stop over there

[languid kayak]

I pretty much always spawned in Muldraugh, only trying Rosewood late in b41 few times, so I saw the difference 😄

[dry robin]

I have to admit owning this game for over a decade I have never once set foot in Louisville

[ornate tapir]

I mean Rosewood was deceiving because of the Farmland and forest (and of course the endless conga line beelining to your house). But the wiki page says its got the lowest population of all spawn towns

[rotund echo]

Thank God bro

[proud cobalt]

Yw

[rotund echo]

I fixed that error

[rotund echo]

Best city in Zomboid, nothing will ever top Louisville

Also, you know, "Rowhouse Fortress" is better name than "Fenced Housing" 😭

[dry robin]

ONce 42 has MP, I'll most likely finally explore explore with people. I wanted to get into a server on 41 but, ya know. Shy lad xD

[primal remnant]

you could also explore in debug! basically the only way i've been able to look at it >_> but it's so big that navigating it can be kind of hard if you know nothing about it

[rotund echo]

I was a chronic West Point spawner

I know West Point like the back of my hand bro

[rotund echo]

Actually being there in real gameplay helps a lot more than flying around in debug mode or looking at the Zomboid Map Project

[primal remnant]

i mean, i rarely use the fast move option myself- it's really hard to be precise which annoys me

oh i absolutely misread your name as toadstare ... that toad is not staring ...

[rotund echo]

I know some parts of Louisville very well compared to other parts (My gameplay was spent hugging the riverbanks)

Some parts of Louisville I never been to, but I've seen the downtown Louisville and Grand Ohio Mall before

[proud cobalt]

I know my way around Louisville pretty well, a 250hr Louisville only run will do that 😆

[primal remnant]

yeah that would do it LOL

[rotund echo]

I only spent aroud the riverbanks because my character is fear of blood

southern, southeast Louisville I never really go to

My longest game of 7 months was spent in close distance to the Ohio River lol

Some characters and outfits look better clean >_<

[proud cobalt]

I used to take fear of blood, but ened up prefering smoker as a panic trait, at least in B41

I cant survive more than a week atm in B42

[rotund echo]

Banned from wiki, Smoker rises stress instead of panic

[proud cobalt]

Same thing

[languid kayak]

I think the most issue with online server is you're playing with randoms, though for some it may be a benefit 😄

[languid kayak]

debug and online map doesn't give the real exploration speed vibe when you play as usual, so doesn't translate to the direct knowledge.

Same with online games, when I explore the map without threats.

[languid kayak]

panic = no fighting, sress = w/e for my character 😄

I always take smoker and then struggle finding any smokes so my character is depressed 😄

[rotund echo]

Yeah see, you get it as well

[dry robin]

You aren't wrong!
That's why I spent so long looking for one but, I sadly never found a place I really bonded with xD

[rotund echo]

My character is suffer depresion because she is a hemophobe

[serene sage]

every time I join a random server from the server browser they seem to already be months into the apocalypse with absolutely zero loot in sight

[rotund echo]

Time to go to the Park Ranger life 🗣️

[serene sage]

nice custom role, quite fitting

[quartz bear]

Bread knives

[serene sage]

please refrain from saying triggering things like that

things like that don't deserve to be spoken

also this VHS transcript has links to the Security Guard and Burglar for some reason

[quartz bear]

last time someone told me that on this server i got timed out for 7 days

[serene sage]

really?

[quartz bear]

ye

[serene sage]

dang

well to any server mods here that was a joke

[rotund echo]

(he has moments where he smiles in glee, thinking he saw a machete in a zombie, but his grin quickly turns upside down when he sees it's actually just a bread knife)

[tulip kiln]

I'd recommend checking cars for cigs, I've had the most luck with scoring some packs from glove compartments

[dry robin]

Second that reddit has a fair few with the smoker perk and they've also found a lot in cars

[tulip kiln]

Yeah, cigs are more rare than they were in b41, but in my experience, I'm not having nearly as much trouble getting my hands on em than people keep saying

[proud cobalt]

Cigs themselves are more rare, but tobacco proucts arent tbh

[tulip kiln]

Yeah I haven't checked but I heard someone over in pzchat saying that farmer zombies have a decent chance of having chewing tobacco on em, haven't checked myself though

[proud cobalt]

Farmer vehicles definitely do

[kind sphinx]

offices are my go to cigarette place. The desks have a very high cigarette spawn chance

although the store in Irvington named "Tobacco" is certainly a contender for new fav cig place

[primal remnant]

i think it might depend on the kind of office- that or i'm really unlucky with the spawns for office cigarettes. i've also found cigars and suchlike in gas stations (cheroot, or something) which work for smokers

[kind sphinx]

yeah the cigars and chewing tobacco are good too

although as an actual smoker I resent the sentiment that chewing tobacco could tide me over

[tulip kiln]

Lmao raiding the tobacco store like I'm a drug addict desperately needing their next fix

I can totally quit anytime

[kind sphinx]

the zombies aren't that big a deal

i just want my nic

gets mauled

[primal remnant]

though now that the smoker trait has fewer points than it's had in b41, i find i've picked it out less. doesnt stop me from finding all the cigarettes and nothing i need

[tulip kiln]

If anything, the zombies were a good thing for my character, he was incredibly poor prior to the outbreak and was having trouble affording the cigs, so now he can easily just steal loads of em

[primal remnant]

then again i guess i dont need to have the smoker trait to smoke ...

[tulip kiln]

Actually accurate for where I live though, cigs are super expensive here

[primal remnant]

finders keepers etc

[tulip kiln]

Like 40 or 50 bucks for a cheap pack here I think?

[kind sphinx]

everytime i travel back to where im from I can't wait for the local cig prices

legit 100% more where I usual live

[proud cobalt]

https://tenor.com/view/winnie-blues-mate-big-lez-mike-nolan-winnie-blue-mate-gif-13111315794950244612

[kind sphinx]

canada moment

[serene sage]

don't really understand why people like the smoker trait even in b41 tbh, the last time I picked the trait must've been at least half a year ago

[kind sphinx]

it's a problem with an easy solution

[tulip kiln]

Yeah lmao, it's actually why my parents quit smoking many years ago, cig prices got insane

[kind sphinx]

and in return you got 4 points

"The market will react"

[primal remnant]

the videos i've seen on it have portrayed it as a "free points" thing, because "cigarettes are easy to find"

[kind sphinx]

they toned down the loot spawns, which I'm not sure have been transferred to wiki yet or not

gonna check

[primal remnant]

though i know they'll end up doing loot tuning in b42, as it currently stands, not necessarily correct

[kind sphinx]

although I do find I have to smoke less in B42

2 a day usually does the trick

[serene sage]

true, but I'm not really a "min-maxer" anyway

[kind sphinx]

playing a character > playing a build

whats REALLY free points rn is conspicuous

it legit is just not really doing much

[proud cobalt]

Always took it in B42 anyway

[serene sage]

I love conspicuous

took it every time after I learned what it did

[kind sphinx]

yup

[primal remnant]

yeah, i think retanaru (?) did a video on it actually.

[kind sphinx]

yeah I watched his video

[serene sage]

also kinda funny when you combine it with some character headcanon

[primal remnant]

not sure how many vowels he's got in his name

[kind sphinx]

the weather not affecting the zombie hearing is still stupid tho

[serene sage]

why is he/she conspicous? the smell? the walk?

[kind sphinx]

I always think it's the walk, but then I remember clumsy exists, so in my head they're both just versions of being a clumsy little idiot

[primal remnant]

my character is conspicuous because they are just really unlucky

(kidding, i dont have a conspicuous character atm, but i might eventually)

[primal remnant]

i figure they're probably going to fix/add this before they release it to stable. same with the soda-cures-all-ills bug

(i mean, soda DOES cure all ills...... but ....)

(im biased)

[kind sphinx]

THE SODA

THE GOD DAMN SODA

i mean

it's good for reading books

but it's complete BS

[primal remnant]

i didnt realize i was abusing a bug for like 7 straight in game days and i was like hm why is my character not tired and then i found out. that . it's a bug.

[tulip kiln]

No, they actually did put meth in soft drinks in Kentucky in the 90s

Completely accurate

[primal remnant]

thats where the coca in coca-cola comes from

[kind sphinx]

yeah kinda hoping the upcoming patch fixes all the front end bugs, like duplicating recipes and the soda crap

[primal remnant]

oh my god the duplicating saucepan wasn't a complete hallucination?

[kind sphinx]

no i have an extra pot now

good for rain ig

but yeah stuff is just not being consumed right, or some of the recipes are using waaaayyy too much of some materials

some of the cooking recipes use a whole unit of salt for example

[serene sage]

the recipes are definitely screwed up, you can just mass produce bowls by splitting soup/pasta into bowls

[kind sphinx]

well it's still unstable ig

TIS are back from holiday so they'll fix stuff as they go

[primal remnant]

unstable via breaking the entire weave of the time-space continuum exclusively to duplicate infinite bowls

[serene sage]

anyway pretty minor thing but the need to open soda/beer cans is pretty fun, I find myself constantly finding unopened cans to open

drinking takes too little time though, even if time is "dilated" in the game world

[kind sphinx]

i think it's stupid you have to stop to open them

[primal remnant]

i feel like i should be able to hit 'drink' to open the can and then drink it- the fact that there's a separate step makes me feel like im having a really bad adhd day lmao

[lucid junco]

Its called Tuesday for me

[proud cobalt]

ADHD gang

[lucid junco]

Lets goo

[proud cobalt]

Where are we going I forgot

[lucid junco]

Idk, but that page looked cool to work on

Surely I hadn't got side tracked from something important

[proud cobalt]

Never! To-do list, what's that

[lucid junco]

Tried doing it once, then something more interesting came up so

[languid kayak]

I killed a few in Muld's farm, they didn't have any sadly. In the endgames tobacco can be grown though, so that'd be the end result

[lucid junco]

Ive just noticed

There are some unused newspaper in print media

MuldraughMessenger ChristianBulletin LouisvilleStudent KnoxFrontline

@languid kayak Where would assisting studio easter eggs go?

This is definetly a formosa interactive reference

[languid kayak]

In Easter eggs page that is? I usually ask Tartan 😄
In infobox there's just one reference. with no category

[lucid junco]

Yeah

We have Pop culture
TIS
Community
Misc

None of them are really fitting imo

[tulip kiln]

I'd just put em in TIS category, since that's about devs

[languid kayak]

true

[lucid junco]

Muldraugh Messenger and Knox Frontline lack specific date

Its set to May1993

[wooden tinsel]

Hello guys, hope you're doing well !
Where can I find templates for Locations pages ? I've looked in the style guide and a bit everywhere in the community portal but can't find it anywhere 😦

Oh and do you consider a specific location, like the big farm east of Fallas Lake, a business ? Is it worth it to add it to the wiki ?

[tulip kiln]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Boilerplates Boilerplate should have the templates ya need

[wooden tinsel]

Or should we only stick to stores, and not residential

[wooden tinsel]

Exactly what I was looking for thanks !

[tulip kiln]

Generally pages don't really get made for residental buildings unless they're unique ones.

like a farmstead for example, tends to not really be unique. But a place like Neil's Farm/The Cult Compound? Probably warrants a page,

[wooden tinsel]

This farm is pretty unique imo, it has it's own sign and name at the entrance 🙂
I love it !

Yeah it's Herrog's Farm or something like that

[tulip kiln]

yeah if it has it's own sign/official name than that typically can warrant a page imo.

but if it's some generic old farmstead, probably hnot

[wooden tinsel]

Cool, so it goes into Businesses ?

[tulip kiln]

eh not sure if we count farms as businesses usually

[wooden tinsel]

Yeah but I see there is not other place for it to fit

[tulip kiln]

then again, I don't really do the pages for businesses anymore, so that's not my area of expertise

[wooden tinsel]

Okay 🙂

[tulip kiln]

ye maybe ask Mid or Sharp, they'd know better about it than me.

[flint vapor]

Locations ?

Oh nvm yes

Thought I was in the modding channel lol

[languid kayak]

can you link coords?

[wooden tinsel]

On B42 map, X :8600 ; Y :8824

[languid kayak]

I don't think so? Unless they are named, which I don't see, I we didn't really cover any farms. Seems it was on b41 as well, but pinging @naive imp for opinion

for reference: b42 https://b42map.com/?8600x8824
b41: https://map.projectzomboid.com/#8600x8824

[wooden tinsel]

If you follow the small path leading to the farm there is the sign

[naive imp]

Hi! I'm the leader of the locations project. Nice to see you're interested in helping out! We only list named locations, which typically bars most residential locations but if it has its own signs we should include it

In terms of navboxes, I think it'd go into points of interest for now.

If there's more named farmsteads like that then we should make a new section in the navbox for them

[wooden tinsel]

Yeah why not, thanks, I'll set it in POI 😉
The farm already existed they just added a name + sign in b42

X 8630 Y 8570 for the sign

[naive imp]

Yeah I found it

When it comes to these locations just remember to stick to the Boilerplate

Later on the formatting will need to be standardized but so long as it had good information and is free of errors it's serviceable

[wooden tinsel]

Sure, it will be a good exercise for my first full page, kinda fell in love with the new lore of the place

[naive imp]

Feel free to add other locations you find too I'd you're up to it! 😀

[tulip kiln]

Yeah I can't really use the map rn since I'm in bed, but there's a few named farms now. From the top of my head you got the one Khanan saw, Hodgett Farm across from Pony Roam-o and Neil's Farm (Cult)

So maybe it could use a new section

[primal remnant]

has anyone catalogued the full list of new VHS tapes in b42? it seems they've added some first aid ones

wait, i found it, seems i just missed it

[lucid junco]

Navbox rework is planned

After we add up all new locations and businesses

[naive imp]

Yup

We should have all locations figured out before we do that

[lucid junco]

Maybe make navbox for each region/town instead of one big navbox🤔

[naive imp]

I was thinking of that but then we need to include both

I'd think that'd be cumbersome

I mean we do have the business list on every town

Plus we have those general articles planned

Open to what others think tho

[wooden tinsel]

Hey @naive imp, It's me again. I have another question about Hodgett's farm. I see for other locations that you managed to find clean logos that are probably taken from game files like this one https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Nails_and_nuts_tool_store_logo.png

Do you think we can do the same for Hodgett's Farm sign ? Can you explain me how to find Hodgett's farm sign's font from game files ? It seems to be packed

[naive imp]

@lucid junco is our resident logo wizard. The logos in the files are tiles as they appear in game, so they aren't straightened like those are

They did all thr work on that

[wooden tinsel]

Nice job 😮

[naive imp]

@lucid junco is our resodent logo wizard. The logos in the files are tiles as they appear in game, so they aren't straightened like those are

They did all the work on that, straightening then and whatnot

[naive imp]

Ikr? Looks good

[lucid junco]

Nails n nuts is an exception, not the rule

[naive imp]

Wdym I think they all look fantastic

[wooden tinsel]

You just make them with illustrator or something similar ?

[lucid junco]

With b42 release we got ~180 logos in game files leftover from when devs tried making fliers with code(like newspapers), so these were actually done by devs themselves before botching the idea

Others are only currently available via pzmodding tool that can extract the sign tiles from the game

[wooden tinsel]

Okay thanks a lot

I'll try to give it a shot

[lucid junco]

If you want to do it yourself, there is a modding tool available via steam called project zomboid modding tools

Open it, go to pack viewer, view the tiles 2x and find the logos, then extract them

Its a manual and dull process, so I took the responsibility on myself for it

[wooden tinsel]

Yeah but rewarding

[lucid junco]

You can just make a page and I'll upload the logos once Im done

[wooden tinsel]

2x folder appears empty... do i have to launch the game or something to load it ?

I will try to do it myself 🙂

[lucid junco]

Hold up, lemme get out of bed

Step by step guide:

1. Download Project Zomboid Modding Tools
   2)Open Tilezed/Tiled
   3)Choose Tools in the dropdown menu
   4)Hover over .pack files
   5)Click on Pack Viewer

In the Pack Viewer:
1)Hover over File and click on Open .pack...
2)Go to your Project Zomboid directory>media>texturepacks
3)Find Tiles2x.pack and open it in the Viewer

After it loads up, you will see Tile2x[Number] on your left and tile images in the middle

[wooden tinsel]

And now i have to seeeaaaarch

Thank you Sharpy

[lucid junco]

Once you find the tiles you want to extract, hover over it and it will show its name

[wooden tinsel]

Let's make a Tutorial page for this 🙂

Thats very helpful for a lot of things

[lucid junco]

To extract it:
Hover over Files
Click on Extract images
Fill in the prefix. You can either fill in the name fully if you want just this tile, or partially if you want to extract a bunch of them.

[wooden tinsel]

so for the sign i want to create a single tilesheet with 3 tiles

[lucid junco]

In this example we can type in signs_one-off_06 to get the tile we want to along with other tiles

[wooden tinsel]

My sign is signs_one-off_07_276 to 278

[lucid junco]

Then we choose either "Create singe tilesheet"
(Creates a single tilesheet with all tiles separate, all whats left is to connect them)
Or

"Each tile is a single image"
Each tile image is separate, so you can pick and choose each

Pick a folder you want to save it to and hit "Ok"

[wooden tinsel]

Alright, i just don't get it on how to select multiple tiles for one single tilesheet

What to put in prefix

here are the tiles names

[lucid junco]

No.. sadly you cant do that

You can have only one continuous entry

[wooden tinsel]

oh it stops at 07 i guess

[lucid junco]

You can actually go with signs_one-off_07_27

[wooden tinsel]

Alright

Got it, it worked !

Thanks, i'll copy your tutorial and save it. Do you think we can make a small page with these instructions on wiki for those who wants ?

[lucid junco]

I can to it myself some time in the future

At least not at 2 am

[wooden tinsel]

Thanks for your time, yeah you are crazy

Sorry if I disturbed you

I was not expecting an answer this early, its 22:11 here :p

[lucid junco]

Np, still wouldnt sleep untill 3am lol

[wooden tinsel]

Well I wish you a very good night and glad to meet you !

[lucid junco]

I hope the steps are legible enough

[wooden tinsel]

It is perfect !

[lucid junco]

I can give you a quick rundown on how to compile and straighten signs if you need one

Though its not that hard if you have knowledge of how to work in photoshop/gimp/other image editing programs

[wooden tinsel]

You mean make the sign flat ?

[lucid junco]

Like that
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Coin_op_laundromat_logo.png

Un angle them, so to speak

Since we want them to look flat in the navbox

[wooden tinsel]

Well i think i managed to do it in photoshop right now

[lucid junco]

On transparent bg i hope?

[wooden tinsel]

yes lol

[lucid junco]

Aight

[wooden tinsel]

it decreased quality though

[lucid junco]

Looks fine(?)

Though a bit angled

[wooden tinsel]

Yeah probably !

[languid kayak]

oh indedd, didn't realize it's named 😄

[lucid junco]

And is the left leg missing or something

[wooden tinsel]

Yeah i was thinking about removing it to make it smaller

[lucid junco]

Leave it full sized imo

Or only have the entire middle part

[wooden tinsel]

sure thing !

[proud cobalt]

Changed the site notice images now that christmas has passed

[proud cobalt]

Generator - Lectro Max split into Generator for generic information about generators, with updated info for B42. Added variants, and about to each generator page.

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Generator
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Generator_-_Lectro-Max
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Generator_-_Premium_Technologies
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Generator_-_ValuTech
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Generator_-_Old

I plan to add some more info to specific pages, but its time to go to work

[digital helm]

I was thinking about them too, looks good. For the tiles, did you have a more automated way of doing them, specifically for combining multi-sprite tiles, or was it all manual?

[proud cobalt]

Any multi sprite tiles I've always done by hand

[digital helm]

Damn, ok then