pzwiki_editing

[proud cobalt]

Where abouts is that?

[lucid junco]

The riverside construction site

It was aboveground in b42

but now is belowground for the most part

[proud cobalt]

Looks kind of sick with the transparency

You scared me, i thought it was missing tiles

[lucid junco]

Nah, thats just how basement looks

CGE also has that woid

because its a "basement"

So is uhh

I forgot town name abandoned factory

[proud cobalt]

Irvington?

Does anyone know where this cultist farm is near echo creek? Someone mentioned it

[lucid junco]

Screenshot maybe?

Honestly dont see anything like that

[proud cobalt]

This is what they are refering to

[lucid junco]

Its a camp

[proud cobalt]

And underneath it

[lucid junco]

Or is it

Ive mistaken it with camp arthur

[lucid junco]

Yeah

Looked like a camp at a glance

Im curious why its called camus

Isnt it camp busy beaver?

Never noticed that trivia

Some trivia to add

@languid kayak Can we get a Founder and Founding date addition to the infobox?

[languid kayak]

I think @digital helm was on it? Reminded today, though Vail seems to be away for now, so maybe when he'll be back (if not should be possible to add not so hard, I'm just dug deep elsewhere :D)

Spiffo's history right now is Vail's logo (recreated?) or yours (stretched) with the logo, something to potentially keep in gallery too https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Spiffo's_logo.png

What's up with LV bruisder though? Doesn't seem to be anything in the history https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Louisville_bruiser_logo.png

[lucid junco]

In the original it had this off centered spiffburger

[lucid junco]

Large LB* on top in the original

Jays chicken was the worst offender

Fossoil is fine because the dinosaur isnt that closely related to the logo

So its not the same thing twice

The straight shooter is..

So ive edited them to remove everything that isnt fitting as logo

[lucid junco]

Maaaybe this is a cultist farm

I have a slight suspicion

[languid kayak]

ah, we just didn' have it in the history then.

But then again, there are simply places with two logos, these go to gallery like always (Rusty Rifle got a logo now for example)

[languid kayak]

but you had to edit out the logos from the folder or…?

[lucid junco]

Yeah, if the logo is updated and only 14 kb in size, instead of a 1-3 mb, then I had to edit it

[languid kayak]

I assume than when there's some noticable variations, it's best to keep both (and just decide which one goes to the infobox)

[languid kayak]

My bet goes that the offender is photoshop 😄 Let me see (actually nevermind, I can't seem to install exiftool on Steam Deck)

[lucid junco]

oh wait

[lucid junco]

You mean Ive stitched two logos together?

Nope, these are straight from the ProjectZomboid\media\textures\printMedia\logos

@proud cobalt Most occurring problem in many fliers is that they use old screenshots

[languid kayak]

aw, kinda shtucks then, seem the map export must have been really late in the game. Though I think changing them should not be that hard? Though OTOH we've been stuck with old pre-b41 screenshots in the challenges and survival guide 😄

[languid kayak]

oh, the manes here are totally different:
https://pzwiki.net/w/images/archive/7/74/20241221202019!The_Black_Saddle_logo.png
https://pzwiki.net/w/images/7/74/The_Black_Saddle_logo.png

[lucid junco]

You can tell if the screenshot was done in game or in pzmap

[languid kayak]

tbf, the recreated one looks more like unicorn 😄

[lucid junco]

Remember those annoying stripes that occur on PZ map?

They are present on some screenshots

[languid kayak]

Proves how easy it is to just use the map 😄

[lucid junco]

At the exact same spot

[languid kayak]

at least there's no blue dot 😉

[lucid junco]

Just imagen

Calvy's map doesnt have it

[languid kayak]

back to this topic, I wonder if for those cases should we keep both too? The difference isn't huge, but still

[lucid junco]

Really split on that

Dont think anyone will notice that the in game one is missing

Nor does it hold that much value within itself

[arctic flame]

where's the beta map?

[lucid junco]

The what map?

You mean beta rc 0.2.0 or b42

[arctic flame]

wait I asked dumbly lol

I noticed the mapping tool seems to work now, was wondering if it's online yet

https://www.reddit.com/r/projectzomboid/s/m0z2WYYRYK

[languid kayak]

https://github.com/cff29546/pzmap2dzi/tree/b42 - though you have to compile it locally (depending on features require 500+gb of storage and at least a few hours)

[lucid junco]

Privately hosted for us

Can be created locally for those that want it now with the tool above

Or waited out till its out

[languid kayak]

yeah, calvy's self hosting it on his pc, nothing to share publicly so far due to sheer trafic

[languid kayak]

actually, my bad, it was GIMP, probably no compression

Device Mfg Desc : GIMP

[languid kayak]

huh, indeed it was supposed to be a drink instead of crosshair, maybe it was omission and should be reported as a bug?
https://pzwiki.net/w/images/archive/8/81/20241221202500!The_straight_shooter_logo.png
https://pzwiki.net/w/images/8/81/The_straight_shooter_logo.png

I initially didn't investigate the logos you uploaded so throughfully, but now I'm starting to and see the difference 😄 Including different spacings which happens from time to time 😄

https://pzwiki.net/w/images/archive/d/d5/20241221202635!Thumbs_of_Green_logo.png and https://pzwiki.net/w/images/d/d5/Thumbs_of_Green_logo.png for example

https://pzwiki.net/w/images/a/a0/Tita_maria's_logo.png is this one as intented? Seems like it was duplicated by accident?

huh, is the preview different on Discord now?

oh wait nvm, I'm blind, I had it on a white background

huh, another change it seems, thoguh I guess it may be sensible as it's meant for flyers or something along the lines:
https://pzwiki.net/w/images/archive/e/ea/20241221202722!Top_crown_plaza_logo.png
https://pzwiki.net/w/images/e/ea/Top_crown_plaza_logo.png

[lucid junco]

All I can say to this is definite "maybe"

[languid kayak]

something to definitely forward to devs. It seems that we got a kinda work-in-progress / raw versions of some logo, which is case for most of the unstable features.

Not saying we got things half-assed, as it's definitely playable, but it wasn't meticulously prepared for release for sure 😄

but yeah, for us the definitive reason is whether to keep some of your old straighteened logos in some cases (or if it's worth re-doing them if files changed)

[lucid junco]

I dont think there is a reason to keep them tbh

The ones that devs remade themselves will be the definite versions of logos

[languid kayak]

huh, this one you edited out it, while I think keeping their logo as it's in the game may be a better idea? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:West_maple_country_club_logo.png

[lucid junco]

I wasn't unsure about this one

The in game ones have both the alternative logo and the original logo

[languid kayak]

I guess best to rever it then?

[languid kayak]

for me it's just this one?

[lucid junco]

Language is hard

I mean the WM initials are the alternative logo that can be found in game

[languid kayak]

and yeah, the dreaded

[lucid junco]

https://pzwiki.net/w/images/archive/5/53/20241221202906!West_maple_country_club_logo.png

[languid kayak]

yeah, I remember putting them in thge gallery, that's why I think it'd be best to have it on one picture?

(And yeah, though I seem to have trouble communicating in my native language as if not even mroe often, so sometimes I may be hard to get :D)

[lucid junco]

https://pzwiki.net/w/images/archive/7/77/20241221195826!Louisville_bruiser_logo.png
https://pzwiki.net/w/images/c/c7/Lb_louisville_bruiser_logo.png

[languid kayak]

https://pzwiki.net/w/images/archive/b/b9/20241221203219!Worm_of_books_logo.png
https://pzwiki.net/w/images/b/b9/Worm_of_books_logo.png

This one's a little creepier with bigger eyes (and I remember when I said it'd be better to have no bars on it, seems I was right :P)

[lucid junco]

Seems like devs remade the signs "This example Louisville Bruiser"
And Logos/initials for those that have one

[languid kayak]

ah, I now see what you mean indeed.

[lucid junco]

Yeah

The sign is Louisville bruiser and the LB abbreviation is "alternative logo" that they remade and put on the same image for future use ig

Should be noted that not many of these logos were used

[languid kayak]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Book_Naked_Logo.png this is still one of Vail's recreation that wasn't recreated by devs 👀

huh, name's confusing, but do we have it on map?

"EKOS ACADEMIA"

no real results for that on Google 😄

[lucid junco]

Its a magazine, no?

[languid kayak]

is it?

nothing for "Ekos" in the game's text

[languid kayak]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Cross_roads_mall.png also Vail's works

and https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Dentistry_Logo.png (I wonder if we should split them?)

[lucid junco]

There is a lethal citizen Rosewood Medical

[languid kayak]

and https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Dixie_Logo.png

[languid kayak]

I think these were all Vail's works, it's just Lethal uploaded them

The only other were Pohly's two later on

[lucid junco]

Oh, brochureLogoTest2

I thought it said something about magazines in the name

[languid kayak]

and Gas-2-Go https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Gas2Go.png (reuploaded from old rev, also Vail's work)

[languid kayak]

to think it through, maybe the same was the case for this? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Golden_dragon_buffet_logo.png

it just seems that some logos have two variants

[stiff granite]

If something listed in Planned Features (https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Planned_features) was added in B42, should it still be on that page, or is it ok to remove? For example, the "planned locations" of Ekron, Irvington and Brandenburg

[languid kayak]

ha, proper name

[languid kayak]

I think we should establish a rule on what's in the infobox, I kinda like when both are there even if these are two separate signs? Alternatively, we can upload them separately and add as two logos in the infobox, although just once will be shown as e.g., a Discord preview.

[languid kayak]

I'd say you can remove it, there's also https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Upcoming_versions

[stiff granite]

Cool, thanks 🙂

[languid kayak]

I wonder what the bar is for, seems not used too

[lucid junco]

Day?

Maybe just a placeholder

[languid kayak]

we don't have this too it seems

[lucid junco]

Yeah, the folder contains a lot of testing logos/material

Old homeward flier parts

Nolan cars

[languid kayak]

we have a typo in the name btw 😄 https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Maison_du_Boeuf_logo.png

Bouef and we have Boeuf

[lucid junco]

Reporter

[languid kayak]

testing or just part of it

I mean parts used to assemble flyers

[lucid junco]

They arent

There are no Nolan's flyer

Or this particular Homeward

[lucid junco]

They were something that TIS had teased

[languid kayak]

there isn't? It was teased

[languid kayak]

huh, explains why

[lucid junco]

It isnt in the game

[languid kayak]

seems to have changed in the middle of the game then

good to know, good to archive too

(also trivia)

[lucid junco]

So the folder is probably devs "filedump" with old and new/upcoming things

[lucid junco]

There is also this image of.. something

I dont remember it being teased

Oh, there is also this image that is unused in the game

It was probably meant for this article, but went unused

[sharp axle]

https://tenor.com/view/jaideep-gif-14412999283487115770

[languid kayak]

That's the old Rusty Rifle

[lucid junco]

I know, but I don't remember it being teased

[languid kayak]

This one's Vail's too: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Palm_Travel_Logo.png

and yeah this https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Rosewood_Medical_logo.png and this https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Scenic_Grove_Logo.png

and https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Sunstar_Motel_Logo.png

@lucid junco that's yours work btw? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:West_Point_DIY_logo.png

oh wait no

it's from a flyer right?

[lucid junco]

Yeah

Its a flyer logo

[languid kayak]

That's a grand total of logos we have now; Vail's logos and the ones from printMedia / flyers are in the same folder. Decals still have to be uploaded and there's still just one taxi advert so far 🙂

Then there's the new van icons, should be a few I guess; maybe best to have a separate category that?

The only non-Vail logo is https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:ThunderGasClean.png which is kinda upscaled from the decal

ah we miss at least this one too: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Al's_auto_shop.png https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Al's_Auto_Shop_Flier.png

Though actually rhere's quite a few more that could be extracted from https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Flier_images

[lucid junco]

It isn't?

Clean refers to there being a more dirtier version due to original being a graffiti

So it isn't an upscale

[languid kayak]

I moved it to decals, changing {{About}} a little

[languid kayak]

ah, it is based on the decal though, right?

[lucid junco]

No

[languid kayak]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:ThunderGasClean.png vs https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Buisness_ThunderGasDECAL.png – though feel free to modify the description if needed

[lucid junco]

Someone added im the decal thing

[languid kayak]

the {{About}}? That'd be me 😄

[lucid junco]

It in no way shape or form related to the shirt decal

Apart from them being of the same business

[languid kayak]

huh, I always assume it is based on the looks. Maybe the shirt decal was made from that? Do you have the actia; grafitti then?

[lucid junco]

Its in the straightened signs zip file ive send some time ago

[languid kayak]

moved it to logos for the time being then, as it's the odd one. I moved all the @digital helm ones to https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:User_recreated_logos – you can see if I didn't miss anything.

The following ones were replaced by the ones shipped with the game:
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Fossoil_logo.png (though I've been thinking whether to reupload it similar to the Gas 2 Go one)
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Nolan's_Used_Cars_logo.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:ValuInsurance_Logo.png

[lucid junco]

Im currently heading to sleep, but will give you a pic when Im back at my pc

[languid kayak]

i see indeed

so straightened tile it is then

oh crap, I just understood the The Forgotten Element; the main protagonist had amnesia 🤦‍♂️

[languid kayak]

I see Vail already added it 😄 https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=The_Forgotten_Element&diff=726929&oldid=726895

[flint vapor]

Any idea why I don't have the option to create the page ?

I'm connected

[languid kayak]

Was there even an option to create a page there directly?

oh wait

it was

then it's probably cache issue then

try searching from another page, if not just do it the old-fashioned way of either previewing and clicking the red link or going there directly to the userbar 😄 Or search and click the link

[flint vapor]

I tried searching from another page yeah

[languid kayak]

https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Animation_guide&action=edit&redlink=1

[flint vapor]

Thanks !

[languid kayak]

huh, this flier has Seahorse and Food Market straightened too. https://pzwiki.net/w/images/3/33/West_Point_DIY_Flier.png

I get a feeling that the logos we got with the game are just the early unused versions and not the ones actually used in the fliers 😄

btw, speaking of flier spelling: https://pzwiki.net/w/images/0/09/E.P._Tools_Southside_Drive_Flier.png

[languid kayak]

also, why the only seed packet with a typo was chosen https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Farming_%26_Rural_Supply_Fallas_Lake_Flier.png

[digital helm]

Seems flyers were done fairly early. And map glow up and flier naming was later

[digital helm]

This was why I asked you about it the other day 😄

[flint vapor]

Someone from the modding Discord made a custom flier guide
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/How_to_make_a_flier_mod

I will clean up the page to not have a whole mod tutorial in there later down the side but it's a good start

Do you guys have the link to upload files to be used in pages too please ?

[languid kayak]

huh, wonder what was the difference 😄 https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:March_Ridge_School_flyer.png

[flint vapor]

Nvm found it lol

[digital helm]

You can do this #pzwiki_editing message or click and drag

[flint vapor]

Tried dragging a file in there, wasn't doing shit

[languid kayak]

yeah 😄 I never realized

[flint vapor]

dragged a file in there and wasn't doing anything

[digital helm]

Never had that problem... Are you click upload file, after dragging it in?

[flint vapor]

Nop

Just the drop files here button became and that's it

[languid kayak]

how was that photo taken? Someone stayed literally behind where those guys shot at :P? https://pzwiki.net/w/images/6/6d/The_Velvet_Tassel_Knox_Gun_Club_Flier.png

[flint vapor]

Clicking the button directly to chose a file did the job tho

[flint vapor]

Good ol' days when gun safety was for bitches 😎

What's the fun in not shooting yourself by accident ?

[languid kayak]

reminds me of a recent situation where instructor shot a person with the shotgun on a shooting range lol

got popular as it was all on tape

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Hit_Vids_March_Ridge_Flier.png - so is it Hit Vids (no !)?

[flint vapor]

Classic

[languid kayak]

@tulip kiln I see errors in your newspaper transcripts, you probably didn't realize but the text is all stored in the game files 😛

lua/shared/Translate/EN/Print_Media_EN.txt

@flat sun is the b42 documentation in the unofficial link here safe to bump to 41.0.2? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Modding#Javadoc_reference_to_Project_Zomboid_codebase

Also, is the 41.78 in fact safe to assume being the latest 41.78.16?

(and I assume official one is still stuck at 41.77?)

[flint vapor]

Any idea why the image is being stretched like that ?
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Anim_tuto6.png

Seems like the image doesn't update somehow

[flat sun]

official is still 41.77 yeah, mine hasn't been rebuilt since 42.0.1 but iirc i didn't find any api changes in 42.0.2

the 41.78 site doesn't specify so i don't really know, but i feel like it wasn't updated until 41.78.16 was out for a while...?

[flint vapor]

It's from albion yea

Is there a proper way to upload this file on the wiki ? Currently we have a google drive link but I bet that's not great to have ?

[languid kayak]

that's heavy cache on the wiki, will take a day or two tops and should be okay.

it happens when the dimension changes, thumbnails will have to adjust

[flint vapor]

👌

[languid kayak]

nope, you can just upload the whitelisted files

and it's probably good for secrity anyway I guess. I don't find any other solution than having it uploaded anywhere publicly really

[flint vapor]

So we keep the google drive link ?

[languid kayak]

if you have to link it then yeah

@naive imp seems that some of the new vehicles features are being added in b42 nevertheless: https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Franklin_Valuline&type=revision&diff=750535&oldid=651197 (as for vehicles project)

or https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Dash_Bulldriver&curid=10615&diff=750537&oldid=650285

nor sure if anyone's men tion this too, but https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=The_Rusty_Rifle&curid=12088&diff=750539&oldid=739089 would probably have to be merged to a regular page and version bumped I guess?

[flint vapor]

I do yes, it's an animation rig and the entire animation guide bases itself on it

So can't just say "Ok we're making a guide for you on how to animate but you can go fuck yourself for the rig" lol

[languid kayak]

huh, I just realized that "opted into" doesn't have intructions to opt-in to b42 really, see e.g., https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Large_Clay_Crucible_(Unfired)#Usage Pinging @digital helm for it (needs one paragraph or so to add to link to, but not sure when I'll get to it :P)

[proud cobalt]

I'm just cool like that

[proud cobalt]

Yes, Because mediawiki does some weird shit and pretends you're logged out sometimes 😆

[flint vapor]

👌

Ok so I'm hella confused

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/AnimViewer

Created this page for a Debug tool

I think I will put a page for each debug menu tools in the subcategory "Debug tools", but this subcategory requires a page ...?

[digital helm]

Yeah, a page needs to be created. The category exists, but a page still needs to be created. Have a look at other categories to see what's normally on a category page

[proud cobalt]

I added the page with a modding header for you, thats all the category needs it will auto populate with the rest

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Debug_tools

[flint vapor]

Alright thx

[flint vapor]

Yea that's what I did but they looked empty, I guess the header was the thing

[digital helm]

Would've been because it had no text. Can't create a page with no text. Even just [[Category:Modding]] should allow it to be created. But yeah, we use the header instead

[digital helm]

It links to the steam iwbums section, and a link to Kirrus's post on the forum. But I guess they're both outdated now since it's no longer called iwbums

[flint vapor]

So {{Stup}} is no longer a thing right ?

Wait no it is, why wasn't it working

Stub not stup

bruh

[flint vapor]

It's possible to link categories ?

Moved https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Timed_Actions to the subcategory https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Lua_Objects, but that's also a page in itself https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Lua_Objects

All these are fine, but how should I handle that page Lua Objects and subcategory Lua Objects

Also I completely wiped that Lua Objects page, it was pure missinformation

It was saying Lua Objects are like Java Objects and whatever but that's a complete confusion about what is Kahlua and Lua overall

So Lua Objects need a proper update to explain what is a Lua Object and what available vanilla Lua Objects, which is why the subcategory exists, with for now only Timed Actions

[[Category:Lua Objects]] didn't work I guess

[digital helm]

We don't use categories like normal pages. They should be separate. A category should only be used to categorise pages.
You can link to a category by adding : to the front (same with files and templates), so [[:Category:Lua objects]]

If you're planning to expand the Lua objects page, I'd just add stub and link to the category.

[flint vapor]

Yeah that's what I did

Thx for the linking, I'll test that

That worked thx

[proud cobalt]

Merry christmas to me

[digital helm]

And an extra one to regift too

[lucid junco]

Quick! To the shitmobile!

[lucid junco]

Another phallas lake for the books

[proud cobalt]

Scrotus pond

Ok crops now have a navbox. I also marked them all as stubs because... well... theyre all stubs

[lucid junco]

Phantom gas station

[proud cobalt]

Oh true

[lucid junco]

What if it isnt an error but a copyright protection???7?7/j

Maps do mark phantom locations as a copyright protection

[proud cobalt]

Reported anyway

[lucid junco]

There is also a missing gas station

West point has 2 gas stations

Honestly maybe it wasnt good looking since how crammed some of them are

So they didnt add them

[proud cobalt]

lasertag Hmm sure

Yeah i think leaving them out is probably on purpose, but adding one that doesnt exist was probably an accident

[lucid junco]

@languid kayak Might be interesting, there are some unused fliers leftovers in the Print_Text_EN.txt
_LoveDuet_

_HobbsandPerkinsHardware_

[languid kayak]

could have add just one icon I guess?

[lucid junco]

Print_Text_MuldraughMessenger_June29_title = "Muldraugh Messenger - June 29 1993",

Print_Text_MuldraughMessenger_June29_info = "",

Pondview Shopping Center
Brenford's Quill Manor
Sunderland Hills Sanatorium
Sleep EaZZZe Inn (Louisville Airport)
AMZ Steel
Love Duet Bride and Groom Boutique
Hobbs and Perkins Hardware (Irvington)
Golden Sunset Nursing Home
Five Alarm Firehouse Chili
Ekron Community College
Darkwallow Guest House
March Ridge Cold War Bunker
Coalfield
The Caban Center for Wildlife Rehabilitation
Brott Cattle Farm Auction
Blue and White Bar
Louisville International Airport
A1 Hay
Car Fix-ation
Lenny's Car Repair
BrandenburgAirfield
IrvingtonSpeedway
Fort Prospect
GnomeSweetGnome
CardinalPlaza
KnoxPackKitchens
LouisvilleAnimalShelter
BrooksLibrary
July4PartyEasternLouisville
RoxysRollerRink
UpscaleMobility
SpiffosHiringWestPoint
SpiffosHiringLouisville

SpiffosHiringDixie
ArtGalleryofLouisville
DragRacingTrack
GrandOhioMall
(Also BensCabin is officially the WestPointCabin.png)
ChapelmountDownsRacetrack
YoureWelcomeAboardtheDelilah
NolansUsedCars
PonyRoamO

@languid kayak These are all that I can find so far

[languid kayak]

I've been comparing the new location pictures you've uploaded yesterday btw; some are really minor but shows that each location was fleshed out; that's so great. Also like you said, the stitches are gone 😄

it's just satisfying comparing them side by side 😄

[lucid junco]

Nolan's Flyer is still coded

Shesh, too large

[languid kayak]

I guess we want a separate page for each of these debug tools? So far it's been a stub I made them as stub sections in the debug mode page back in the 41.78.16, see https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Debug_mode#Animation_Viewer

[tulip kiln]

Yeah I sort of figured they'd have Spiffo's flyers in the works since it seemed strange that they didn't have any despite being basically the most recognizable business in the game

[languid kayak]

huh, when I was browsing sharpgolden's uploade I noticed this – the radio tower in the new version is having a blur effect, while the old one does not. Doesn't look bad, but different; I wonder what's causing that?

https://pzwiki.net/w/images/archive/b/b8/20241226035105!RadioRelayStationRiverside.png
https://pzwiki.net/w/images/b/b8/RadioRelayStationRiverside.png

Although it does changes with certain zoom level – pinging @proud cobalt for that

maybe something with the layers transparency/webp?

[proud cobalt]

Maybe 🤷🏼‍♂️

[languid kayak]

https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Tiledefs_used_by_mods&curid=18507&diff=751525&oldid=646493 this adds build 42 mod; are we bumping the whole page or…?

I bet not all b41 mods from this list are b42 compatible

pinging @flint vapor for this too

[lucid junco]

Just a map quirk

map as webside map

[lament knoll]

@proud cobalt Hi! sorry for tagging but I would like to ask what tool did you use to make yourself an updated interactive map? I have the old one on my PC, but it seems old tool doesn't work for me.

[proud cobalt]

There's a B42 branch on the pzmap2dzi tool 😄

[lament knoll]

Thanks!

[digital helm]

@lucid junco founded and founder are already parameters in the location infobox https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Infobox_location
I'm adding phone_number now

[lucid junco]

Nice

[digital helm]

WIP clothing b42 list https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Vaileasys/sandbox_2
Still some work to do for body location/part, combining left/right item IDs, and look into the new armour, as they're all thrown into "other" https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Vaileasys/sandbox_2#Other

[lucid junco]

Thats weird.. It says that townhall is on the third street

But DIY store is on the 405 Main street

So the street has two official names?

[quartz bear]

Surely they would expect someone to hunt for all street names in the game

[lucid junco]

That someone would be us, wiki nerds

[languid kayak]

I'd rather support a mistake, good thing to point out

[languid kayak]

relevant reply of mine: #pzwiki_editing message

[flint vapor]

Was my idea yeah, I'm gonna go through some more pages to clean things up but some debug tools might be a bit too long to go in detail in just the debug mode for me

Also there's some debug tools that might not be directly linked to debug mode directly

[flint vapor]

I'm gonna be honest for this one, I don't know shit about mapping or tile making. The page sounds like a good idea to me, tho I'm really not familiar with what this involves exactly

[flint vapor]

I think that's fine, and B41 mods should keep their ID or whatever that is bcs if a random guy ever comes updating an old mod, this might cause issues if a new fresh b42.mod uses the same ID as the updating mod

Unless there's limitations in the ID amount, which then is a problem for TIS to fix imo

[languid kayak]

yeah, makes definite sense to split it; the page was long enough as it was

[flint vapor]

I haven't looked at the debug mode page yet, but it's existance is good for me, to describe debug mode and a few tips on it

[languid kayak]

good point, guess it'll be best to bump the page version then. Can point to b41.78.16 oldid till then

[languid kayak]

I just added the headers of the options for b41.78.16 back then, was planning to improve on them eventually but that never happens.

Also wanted to cover the debug/cheat options from it too.

The new debug systems should be adeed, I didn't even buoot to debug yet, ImGui I guess would be powerful

[flint vapor]

I think there's one or two changes to debug mode cheats, overall I think tge entire thing is the same

[languid kayak]

and the ImGui stuff?

[flint vapor]

What's that lol ?

[languid kayak]

it's explains in here: https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2024/02/leapdoid/ - basically a lot of new (dynamic) and easily configurable menus that were added to the debug

https://github.com/ocornut/imgui

[flint vapor]

Idk if that's available rn tho

I haven't heard anything about it from other modders

It's supposed to replace the F11 menu

But yea I'll make a page about it once we get info about it

[languid kayak]

huh, some imgui files are shipped with the game, but maybe it;s not enabled inded

oh and btw @flint vapor , I wanted to annnounce it before, but I didn't really.

If you didn't see it already, I cleaned up https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Scripts today.

There are still some minor things to do, like removing old redirects I wanted to finish but didn't have time to and maybe some renames that may be done with a bot, but I think it's better and solves what we talked about few times. Also what was in the old modding project.

Not sure how much time I'll have today aymore, so better post what it's done now 🙂

[flint vapor]

Nice ! It's on my list of things to check out anyway, tho scripts aren't the thing I know the best

[flint vapor]

Is there any quick way of showing a section needs more informations ? Not Mbox for pages but specifically you can put anywhere on a page ?

[proud cobalt]

{{Stub|section=true}}

[flint vapor]

Perfect thank you

[flint vapor]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Mod_creation

Still WIP, a lot more will be added to it

[proud cobalt]

OK after much work, we may be looking at a public release soon. With a direct call to action for the wiki

[languid kayak]

I'd also like to congratulate to @flint vapor for not only getting the position as a Project Modding leader, but also joining efforts with @fallen egret to bring over and clean up all the modding info on wiki! Feel free to help the efforts on https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Project_Modding

[languid kayak]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Tiledefs_used_by_mods added a note here. I see the 0-99 being reserved mentioning 41.72; could probably be verified if that's still the case as of 42.0.2

[languid kayak]

Added https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Tasks#One-time_bot_tasks for now in case we want to rename the "Events" and "Objects" to sentence case, though aside from Events which is used a lot, can be done manually if we decide to.

As far as tasks goes, I removed the b42 prep as all the projects adjusted, but I think a lot of stuff from https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Tasks#Items_and_boilerplates could go as it's either partially done or will be ironed out via mboxes, projects and just the casual editing - to the point of me thinking removing the whole section, but I kept it for now.

from minor stuff, the links in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Item_scripts could be updated too; some link to disambigs as they had collisions and the names are duplicated following the movings; the latter could be easily changed with a regex, but I just couldn't be arsked to make the matching one

[proud cobalt]

Without further ado
https://b42map.com/

[lucid junco]

Can I still use your map 😅

The response time from servers is,lets say, less that ideal

[proud cobalt]

Yes mine will stay up

[proud cobalt]

Ummm. Not an issue for me 🤔

[lucid junco]

It refuses to load for me both on chrome and mozilla

[digital helm]

You've done awesome work getting this up 🎉

[proud cobalt]

Umm. That's weird. Russia is definitely not blocked in looking at the analytics. Try force refresh again with control f5

[proud cobalt]

Someone on the reddit literally offered to host it on their server for free. So huge shout out to them. The first hour was a nigmare though

[lucid junco]

Its Kazahstan not Russia and may be some isp side issue

And it was

[proud cobalt]

Oh are you from Kazakhstan? My bad I assumed Russian. I suppose that's the SU influence.

[proud cobalt]

Some stat's for the first 2 hours!

[lucid junco]

Yeah, in Kazakhstan both russian and kazakh are official languages due to a multiple centuries long influence from SU and Russian Empire

And it was practically a dumpster where Stalin dumped any nation he didnt like including mine

Anyway, Brandenburg business section is almost done

[proud cobalt]

Yeah I'm very minimally familiar with the collapse of the SU. Not a huge learning point here in Australia. Now that I think about it, I don't think it was mentioned once in school.

[lucid junco]

Many of soviet wrongdoings are also hidden from our books or heavily understated from reality

Nor do they mention everything, only focusing on major exiles. Where do you think 130 official nationalities in our country come from

@languid kayak @naive imp Where should the Brandenburg borger go?

Im a bit confused because there is a big Doe Valley forest that engulfs Historic Coalfield, Highway 60 pitstop near it and deerhead lake area

Though Tanglewood house is marked as a Brandenburg/Riverside

(Though the address is Riverside)

[lucid junco]

Sanatorium is a part of the Brandenburg

[languid kayak]

So it's Sunserland Hills?

[lucid junco]

Yeah, its Sunserald Hills

[tulip kiln]

Sunderland actually

Also if that is the intended name and it gets fixed, I gotta add that to the Easter eggs page since that's probably the most obvious Silent Hill reference ever

[lucid junco]

It is Sunderland Hills,I cant type

Weird that the same person is both a part of the rusty rifle and part of the criminal gang

[indigo fjord]

works great for me

gotta be an issue on your side

i'd even say it works faster than the b41 map

[lucid junco]

It was

[lucid junco]

And has no stripes or map errors

[indigo fjord]

well i didn't experience those, but the b41 map sure loads in a lot slower when you zoom in

probably because more people are using it

[lucid junco]

So mysterious black squares are gone

And the stripes

[indigo fjord]

that's nice, as an alternative you could also get a VPS on Oracle Cloud for free (they say it's free forever, so far i've had it for like a year and still haven't paid a single dime so i guess it's good), they give you an ARM64 server with 4 cores, 24GB of RAM and 200GB disk storage

the only downside is that it's ARM64 and you can only run linux based distros

like Ubuntu 22

[proud cobalt]

The map takes up about 600gb

How much bandwidth does it have

[lucid junco]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Brandenburg#Businesses
Done

At least all of the obvious businesses that are 100% in Brandenburg

[indigo fjord]

dang that's a lot, but pretty sure you'd only have to pay for the extra storage space then

[indigo fjord]

can't remember but i think it's ingress unlimited and egress 10TB/month

[proud cobalt]

Interesting. Maybe one day in the future or for a different project. We've already used 200+gb in a few hours. But we have unlimited bandwidth at 1gbps right now

[tulip kiln]

Could've been a biker gang bar I'd imagine then

[forest drift]

Walking 10km to a gas station, killing zombies, and walking back 10km safely to the car is priceless. Only to find out that I drove for 2 meters and the tire blew. I went to siphon the gas back to put in another car, and now I need a rubber hose to get the gas out of a car. Love u Zomboid.

[flint vapor]

How do you guys quote Discord messages in the Wiki ?

#modeling message

Specifically this one

For example

[languid kayak]

It seems it's just using > manually

[flint vapor]

Doesn't do anything on the wiki

I meant like quote IN the wiki

Not quote in Discord

Lol

Realizing the confusion here

[languid kayak]

oh, you mean wiki? Then you'd have to use html, like <blockquote>

you can try using : text too

[flint vapor]

Perfect thank you

I used blockquote

And do you just link the Discord message there ?

Bcs that's what I did

I seem to be getting some problems when uploading images

Reloading the page worked

[digital helm]

That's caused by loss of session data. So yeah reloading should fix it most of the time. Unfortunately a quirk of heavy caching

[digital helm]

Added a list of all the new items in b42 https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Project_Build_42_Update#New_items
2799 unique item IDs between b41 and b42

[languid kayak]

New Items! The following contains a list of all the new items in Build 41.Show / Hide
I think it should be build 42 😄

Other than that, I see some red links, seems most are tiles, but are all?

[digital helm]

How many times do you think I'll make that mistake 😄

[proud cobalt]

I've already done it so much

[lucid junco]

@proud cobalt How hard do you think it would be to make wiki link https://b42map.com/ with coords instead of https://map.projectzomboid.com ?

[proud cobalt]

Impossible

There's no poi system

But champ would like there to be, he's asking blindcoder to share his

[lucid junco]

Not even to the grid?

[proud cobalt]

Theres no system for it. Also the grid and cells have changed in B42 while the coords stay the same

[lucid junco]

I see

Eh, I will just leave the grid numbers instead of coords

[proud cobalt]

Coords havn't changed in game, so if you right click those coord will be correct. But i get thats a PITA

[lucid junco]

Oh, true

Maybe at the end of the edits Ill manually do it

[proud cobalt]

At least that way you can go down the street with fast move and right click and write down the coords

Do the whole city at once

[lucid junco]

There are actually a lot of things that had changed to old map... though pretty much exclusive to muldraugh

Even abandoned settelment got more changes than entirety of riverside

And Im definitely not jealous as a fan of riverside and Doe Valley

[tulip kiln]

I expected that much tbh, Muldraugh hadn't seen that much in terms of updates for so long now.

[lucid junco]

It definetly became bigger

And even more packed

[proud cobalt]

I think the intersection is the best change lmaoo

[tulip kiln]

God whenever I see a pic of Muldraugh, it always reminds me of how whenever you search up in Muldraugh in google, the first pic is muldraugh from pz, not the actual place.

[lucid junco]

L&B used to look so empty

[tulip kiln]

Imagine living in such a small backwater town that some random video-game loosely based off of your town comes up as a pic first.

[proud cobalt]

Thats crazy

[lucid junco]

Lmao

[proud cobalt]

We beat wikipedia!

[tulip kiln]

Yeah was pretty funny that one time someone emailed whoever was mayor of the town at the time and he actually knew about Zomboid. someone told him about it before.

[lucid junco]

Even in images search

I think there are now people that will think that Muldraugh is a made up place

[tulip kiln]

ye from what I've seen of pics of muldraugh irl, tbh no offense to anybody who lives here who is somehow here in this discord, but god I wouldn't wanna live there.

[primal remnant]

Hello, terribly sorry if this is the wrong place, but how would I get started contributing some stuff to the wiki? I'm particularly interested in Echo Creek, though I understand if it's not as much as a priority compared to the bigger towns in b42

[proud cobalt]

#pzwiki_editing message

[lucid junco]

There is already a page for Echno Creek, so you just need to complete info for it

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Echo_Creek

[proud cobalt]

All edits are appreciated

[lucid junco]

Just look at how other town pages look and try to make it similarly

[primal remnant]

Ah, thanks! I don't think I saw it in the pinned posts or anything

[proud cobalt]

It's not there. Might be worth adding @languid kayak @digital helm

[tulip kiln]

Ah here we go, found the email from muldraugh's mayor

[proud cobalt]

Thats sick

[primal remnant]

a zombie walk would be so freaking cool

[proud cobalt]

This is just totally wrong right @lucid junco ?
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Echo_Creek_thumb.png

That's Ekron?

[primal remnant]

yeah that's a picture of ... ekron, i think

echo creek is waaaay smaller 😂

[lucid junco]

It is

Oh

Wrong reply

[lucid junco]

It is

This is the entirety of the village

[tulip kiln]

lmao

[lucid junco]

Not even town

[tulip kiln]

It's like a residental version of that pitstop place, whatever it's called. That one with the army surplus

pathetic lil place

[lucid junco]

Even fallas lake is bigger

[lucid junco]

This one?

Or this one

[tulip kiln]

nah, like the one that had the big parking lot

[proud cobalt]

This one

[tulip kiln]

yea I think the 2nd

But I do like Echo Creek cause I don't mind Ekron not being it's own spawn town and Brandenburg definitely shouldn't be a spawn town

that fucking shithole? actually more depressing than Muldraugh

[lucid junco]

At least Fallas lake has a large church and a bar

[proud cobalt]

I actually would have liked to be able to spawn in Ekron, then you can make your way to brandenburg or irvington. But echo creek is not bad

Like this is smaller than muldraugh

[tulip kiln]

Lmao I forgot how much of a glow-up the Delilah received cause jesus christ

[primal remnant]

is this already on the wiki, out of curiosity?

[lucid junco]

It isnt

[tulip kiln]

literally had to repurpose just factory equipment for the front of it in the original

[lucid junco]

If you are speaking of the image

But there is a Stub page for Ekno

[primal remnant]

okie dokie, just wanted to make sure before i made any changes.

[tulip kiln]

Yeah we haven't really had much of a chance to do much in the map pages right?

Due to the interactive map update delay.

[proud cobalt]

It was accidently included, so the renderer probably just didnt have the correct tiles to display

[lucid junco]

Not untill calvy updated

[primal remnant]

i should have this page resemble the other towns, yeah? i've never done something quite like this before so it's a lot of newness

[tulip kiln]

ah yeah, cool shit with the b42 map btw calvy

[lucid junco]

And its only me currently doing all of the changes

At least how it feels like

[proud cobalt]

Here's the Fallas lake article, try use that as a base

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Fallas_Lake

[tulip kiln]

I'm just on the prowl for more easter eggs, there's so much I gotta add already

[primal remnant]

can do!

[proud cobalt]

Ty, happy to have been able to make it public

[primal remnant]

i know of at least 3 spawn locations as well, but not sure what the weight for occupations are - if there even is any. it's a small place

[tulip kiln]

Oh my god ok thank fuck, they didn't update any of the artwork in the art gallery, I was gonna be devastated if I had to do that shit again.

[lucid junco]

Check the spawn points in game code

[primal remnant]

i... am not sure how to do that

[lucid junco]

Its so easy, just reverse engineer the entirety of pz code to find it

Could be done in 10 minutes

[proud cobalt]

Don't worry about that too much, just add what you know

And if you need help with formatting, just ask or have a look on the help pages

[tulip kiln]

Oh yeah btw, any of you guys checked out Neil's Farm? Quite close to Echo Creek

It's 100% a fucked up cult compound without a doubt.

easily deserving of it's own page imo

[lucid junco]

Pfff

Dont be ridiculous

It just has a zone type Cultists

Entirely fenced off

Has blood all over the farmshed

[tulip kiln]

ye maybe the torture chamber underneath one of the buildings is just an innocent humble sex dungeon instead

[flat sun]

think it's short for 'cultivatists' since it's a farm

[tulip kiln]

nah it's 100% a cult.

oh that was sarcasm

I'm dumb disregard that lol

[lucid junco]

Restricted area so that noone would get in

[tulip kiln]

but ye, buildings like this and the drug lab should get their own pages imo

[lucid junco]

And generally looks like that cannibal cult in GTA V

[pure osprey]

Is there a wiki page for the bunkers?

[lucid junco]

There isnt currently

[tulip kiln]

gotta love the leader having such a fancy house and their followers getting shitty lil barracks, classic cult leader shenanigans

[lucid junco]

And there is only one bunker

Or two

[pure osprey]

Oh I thought there were like 3

[lucid junco]

Including the Cold war one

[tulip kiln]

3 I think right?

[lucid junco]

Im not sure if Research Lab is a bunker

[tulip kiln]

ye I guess

[lucid junco]

Or just an underground facility

[pure osprey]

There’s a bunker in the woods somewhere

[tulip kiln]

yeah, sharp you found that earlier didn't you?

[lucid junco]

Its mine! I wont share my secret location /j

[tulip kiln]

The one where it had the generator inside the bunker, basically gassing to death anybody who tried to live in there and turn on the power.

[pure osprey]

Is the research lab the place under the secret military base?

[tulip kiln]

no it doesn't exist

go back to your business citizen

[lucid junco]

Its just of the jamieton army surplus

[lucid junco]

What secret military base

Its just a rumor

[pure osprey]

Thanks I’ve been looking everywhere for this

[tulip kiln]

More fucked than that, from what I can tell, it seems more like they weren't killing them and burying corpses, but just feeding people to da pigs.

[lucid junco]

Literally my rimworld colony wth

[tulip kiln]

that's actually pretty tame for Rimworld tbh

[proud cobalt]

Nutrient paste go brrr

[lucid junco]

Idk, cannibals were not meta in 1.2

So I just had a large shed with corpses where pigs were

Enemies often tried to go through it to my base, so it was always stocked

No need to haul corpses

[lucid junco]

3,5 technically

[pure osprey]

Best strat

[tulip kiln]

Oh yeah, also heard people talking about how this place, the Meadshire Estates was an easter egg to a gated community in twd comics or something

not 100% on it tho

[lucid junco]

Research lab, Coldwar bunker, Doe Valley idiot bunker and Brandenburg "bunker"

[tulip kiln]

The Doe Valley Carbon Monoxide appreciator's bunker

[lucid junco]

I was so hyped when saw this flyer

[proud cobalt]

I just found that in game

[tulip kiln]

yeah it just seems more like some pathetic lil storm shelter right?

false advertisement on that flyer, tank blow that up ez

[lucid junco]

Yeah

Thats it

[tulip kiln]

I guess it does make sense though? Cause the flyer lists it as "temporary" rather than long term.

[lucid junco]

just a room with uncomfy benches

[tulip kiln]

So it's just meant for waiting out severe weather events.

like that tornadooo

[lucid junco]

Bathroom and one metal shelve worth of supplies

[flat sun]

temporary as in 'will keep you safe until the tank blows it up'

[lucid junco]

Its permanent actually

[proud cobalt]

Gotta keep that red scare going

"Enemy invasions"

[lucid junco]

Cause if feels like sacrophagus

[tulip kiln]

that place is basically just a shitty lil cheap pharaoh's tomb.

ain't survivin shit in there

actually unironically gotta be one of the worst base spots.

Only 1 exit, no space inside.

[lucid junco]

And there are absolutely no food in it

Even a day in it would get you starved

[tulip kiln]

The bunker owners were more sort of banking on you eating eachother instead.

so it sort of did pay off for em

[lucid junco]

Probably Neil's bunker

[primal remnant]

okay, re: echo creek, i added just a pinch little bit. more experienced folks are, of course, welcome to fix/tweak/etc things as needed.

[tulip kiln]

god I'm so fucked if the wild west town's shops are referencing anything, cause I can't stand cowboy films, so I won't know any of it.

is a pretty cool looking area tho ill give it that

[lucid junco]

Probably clint eastwood references

Cause I dont know any other films with cowboys lmao

Oh, Back to the future 3

[primal remnant]

(they made a third movie??)

[tulip kiln]

The only cowboy thing I liked are the red dead redemption games tbh

sucks cause I ended up getting named after a shitty cowboy movie

legit

[lucid junco]

https://tenor.com/view/fistbttf-marty-mcfly-biff-biff-back-to-the-future-gif-25954062

Back to the future is a trilogy

[primal remnant]

huh, well, TIL

[proud cobalt]

Bro your name is John Wayne no way

[tulip kiln]

lmao thankfully no

it's literally just Shane

that's what the movies called and that's what I got named after smh

also lmao imagine living in this neighbourhood. you'd be getting deathstares from all your neighbours because their houses got completely fucked by that tornado yet ur house is miraculously fine right across from it.

[proud cobalt]

Tbh Shane isn't that uncommon of an Aussie name

[tulip kiln]

Oh yeah 100%, but my parents have confirmed that's what they named me after, such an ironic name origin for a guy that hates cowboy movies

Oh my fucking god haha, I only just realised but on the driveway to Neil's Farm, there is this small lil farmers market. Either some dumb unfortunate farmer set up their stand in the worst imaginable place or this is cult's front.

buy some fresh fruits, don't mind the massive restricted access compound behind us, nothing there at all

[proud cobalt]

100% cult income

[primal remnant]

oh is THAT what that was?? i was wondering why the hell neil's 'farm' looked like that.

[tulip kiln]

Damn, business must have been massively booming to support the costs that place must've had.

[primal remnant]

and also why is it labeled on a tourist map ...

[tulip kiln]

Yeah, it's without a doubt a cult. There's a torture basement, blood all over what looks to be a pig pen etc.

[primal remnant]

maybe it's only recently a cult and that's why its on the map

[tulip kiln]

Eh that or it could just be that they were super open about it. Not the murders but being some "utopian community" or some shit. So they could intice new people to join up

[primal remnant]

i'm also curious what this might be (across the lake from the aforementioned cult camp)

murder cabin pog

[tulip kiln]

Cause if you're a cop, good luck gaining access to that place to get evidence that they've done those murders, they just won't let you in.

[primal remnant]

absolutely nothing on the zombie heat map, which may not be 100% accurate, but also suspicious

[tulip kiln]

And you probably won't get any witnesses to help with that since all of the people in that cult are brainwashed obviously.

[primal remnant]

why cult deprogrammers are a serious thing, for real. maybe not in the 90s, and definitely not after the apocalypse, but in real life

[tulip kiln]

I'd imagine there'd be some small groups back then, but it'd also probably be harder to find them since this is just some backwater countryside area.

[tulip kiln]

ok lmao ik skull and crossbones aren't a super unique symbol, but I 100% think the cult had to be involved with that.

Right across the lake lmao they straight up murdered the previous owner

[flat sun]

must've been pirates

[tulip kiln]

the pirate cult, shoulda known

hence why they're based right next to water, damn it was that obvious

[primal remnant]

that or it could represent poison of some kind?

like... kind of old-fashioned these days iirc, but a possibility

[tulip kiln]

eh nah I feel like it was the cult, because their pig murder pen also has a skull and crossbones on it.

[primal remnant]

fair enough lol

[tulip kiln]

and it's just that close that it can't be a concidence

[primal remnant]

i wonder if there's like, a new home vhs tape or some kind of note there that gives more hints to the story

or fliers, even

[tulip kiln]

ye hopefully the area gets more fleshed out in future patches, but still keep a lot of mystery to it as well

[primal remnant]

oh for sure

[tulip kiln]

better to theorize about the possibilities rather than them just completely telling you what happened, leaving no room for interpretation

which is also basically PZ's entire lore in a nutshell

[primal remnant]

just little hints. the plot holes are pockets where fan speculations go

also, i noticed a train is stuck on the tracks in ekron

[tulip kiln]

yeah I saw that a few days back

[primal remnant]

gonna be a shock for the poor souls flooring it in a vehicle

[tulip kiln]

well not even a train tbh, front carriage isn't there.

[primal remnant]

holy log city

[tulip kiln]

So for some reason the train's cargo is just sitting there.

also the burnt-out middle carriage.

[primal remnant]

i would figure that the driver (or someone else?) detached the cargo to be able to go faster. or because it was on fire, yeah. or it got stuck on the tracks. people were trying really hard to leave so it wouldnt be a surprise to me if it got mobbed or something

the attention to detail on this map is crazy

[echo herald]

MY NAME'S NOT SHANE, KID

[lucid junco]

It isnt labled as a cultist camp though

I think all big areas are marked on the map

As a sidenote the Neil's camp is on the Neil's lake

Curious what was named after what

[proud cobalt]

OK in the first 24 hours we served over 30,000 unique users, and sent over 5Tb of data

[tulip kiln]

this begins us eventually overtaking wikipedia

they won't know wat hit em

[flint vapor]

Soooooo the page will just not change the image at all ?
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Anim_tuto6.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Animation_guide#Exporting_as_FBX

[lucid junco]

Server side image didn't update maybe

[languid kayak]

I wonder if other cities will change too.

Also, what irks that's visible in the new map at the default trees config is visible links between cells (chunks?) – I wonder if that could be adjusted in the game code, or do the forest have to be hand-made for it to be gone (which would be poinless for some of the areas, as we'll still be getting some map expansions, at least below Muld for sure)

[languid kayak]

Hey! There's no priorities, just edit what you'd like to 🙂 I'm sure folks below got you guidelines, but keep an eye on pinned messages and just browse around the wiki, starting with the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Community_portal which should give you pointers. If in doubt, you can ask in here, but basically any edit can be reverted or fixed, so if you won't edit thousands of pages at once, just go on and edit things at will.

[primal remnant]

thanks! and definitely not, the only wiki editing i've done was something waaaay smaller than this lol

[lucid junco]

When everything is in priority then nothing is in priority

[languid kayak]

yeah, stuff we got in b41 was exported way early in dev, wasn't really intended to be production ready 😄

[languid kayak]

Same; the only cowboy thing I watched was Westworld series 😄 And maybe back to the future. Didn't even play Read Dead series and only one Call of Juarez

[flint vapor]

Moved "Lua" to "Lua (language)"

[languid kayak]

yup, seems that's where they get their income from; there's even a walkie talkie to talk there.

Also the cabin cross the river seems to be related? Has skull on it, similar to the one in the camp

[languid kayak]

seems fine for me, sometimes you have to clear browser's cache (ctrl+f5) or add ?action=purge to the URL, but most of the time it's cloudflare taking a day or two

[languid kayak]

(and yeah, i realized you all guys went to the same conclusions later :D)

[primal remnant]

oh huh i didnt realize there was a big red neon sign that said CULTISTS lmao

[flint vapor]

👌

[languid kayak]

Dod we have race cars in game yet? Irvington's speedway spawn

[rotund echo]

Dunno, maybe another location where exotic sports cars Cossette and Mercia Lang can spawn at

If we're lucky, we get liveries of them

Ironically, the sports sedans are faster than Mercia Lang

[languid kayak]

@flint vapor would these be better renamed from "How to make xxx" to just "Making"?

like https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Adding_new_tiles

[flint vapor]

Maybe ?

I guess it would be of the same naming shape yea

Also when moving a page, does it change any link to it in other pages ?

Or do these need to be fixed ?

I marked some pages for deletion too, there might be more coming

I'm cleaning up Modding rn

I'll actually move Mod creation to Modding instead

But it turns out my idea of Mod creation ended up being Folders structure and Modding together, so going to adapt it

Just cleaning up all the random resources for different stuff in more organized lists

[languid kayak]

the links have to be updated on pages, yeah. That's why by default a redirect is kept and only admins can move without leaving it

else it'd result in a lot of red links

[flint vapor]

👌

Good to know

[languid kayak]

seems it's https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Lua_Functions and https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Mod_structure ? Are they just not useful, even on b41?

[flint vapor]

It's more that Folders structure already does the job for Mod structure, and that Lua Functions, what is explained is going to be explained in Lua (API)

You can leave those for now if you want, them having the tag for deletion is good enough info that people should probably ignore these pages

Lua Functions reexplains points in Lua (language), like literally just Lua functions and those are

And then it explains Events, which will fit in Lua (API)

So basically, there's really not much point for these to exist, until I write the Lua (API) which is my next go to after the Modding page

Currently rewriting majorly Modding bcs it's a fucking mess, and there's even seriously outdated informations

Like to activate mods ... that you need to restart the game ...

Oh boy idk what Build that is lol, but that's definitely lower than B41 lol

[sturdy sinew]

they showed this place off in a thursdoid and it showed several cossettes. I'd imagine they have a chance to spawn there

[naive imp]

Hi! Feel free to start adding things. I've meant to be on top of it but I've been sick these past few days and am still coughing like old man

Just remember we have standardized formatting for towns and locations. You can look at the muldraugh page for examples, as well as the articles within that page

I should be able to get to things later tonight assuming this fucking medicine works

God I hate being sick

[primal remnant]

Definitely looked over rosewood cause it was next up in size. I think the issue is mostly the "districts" section cause it's so small.

[naive imp]

It's also a pretty rural town

Don't feel rushed

Just do what feels right to you and I'll standardize it to the formatting if you make any mistakes 😀

I'm the leader of project locations and Maps btw so you have any questions I'm happy to help 😀

[lucid junco]

@naive imp Some of the pages on muldraugh became outdated because the shops arent there anymore

Clothes store became cornerstone

https://tenor.com/view/cornerstone-arctic-monkeys-alex-turner-gif-24807835

I mean corner store

[tulip kiln]

Damn, a shame the clothing store went out of business

[lucid junco]

No shit

It had 3 stores to compete with

One almost literally in the same building

Grocery store got Cornered

[tulip kiln]

Yoo, they got one of those self-serve soda fountains that they probably never clean, yum

[lucid junco]

Extra nutritious

Muldraugh looks like an even shittier place to live lmao

So many for sale boarded up buildings

But there is also a new business type

Cyber cafe

[lucid junco]

Almost every store has it now it seems

Or that weird hot dog holder

Idk

Never seen a contraption like this irl

[tulip kiln]

Lmao how do you think the town got the budget to upgrade that school and police station, there's your answer

[tulip kiln]

Yeah I've seen those in movies and cartoons, never seen one irl though

[lucid junco]

Looks like that weird hotdog heating thing without heating lmao

[tulip kiln]

Probably for good reason, looks like the hotdogs would be terrible, you'd just get places keeping unsold ones there for hours and not bothering to throw em out

[lucid junco]

Those things

So sad that it wasnt invented in 1993

They had to go without heating

Must've been terrible eating stale wiener

[tulip kiln]

I'd imagine Knox Country's food poisoning rate must have been sky-high, even well before the outbreak

Maybe stale weiners caused the outbreak, some poor bastard ate one, became patient zero

[lucid junco]

There are also almost no clinics on 2/3 of the map

Imagine getting a bad stomach poisoning in Ekron and having to drive to Brandenburg or Doe Valley clinic

[naive imp]

Damn nvm I was wrong

[serene sage]

look at what was airing on MVC right after the fall of the exclusion zone border

the same song plays again on the 17th as well

also the last music video that airs on the channel (on the 18th) ends like this

[languid kayak]

nobody really overhaul modding, but for the pages we touched like guides or items, some things were from 0.1.x 😄

[flint vapor]

[flat sun]

i see a lot of people go 'do i really have to restart the entire game every time i edit my lua file :/' still so it's possible it's new and just wrong

[languid kayak]

these are just mobile shelves; I think I even have similar in home

[flint vapor]

Is that map on the Wiki ?
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/279303619277488128/946017798222643220/KY.png?ex=67713dbb&is=676fec3b&hm=33b93319e4eebc452fdea83db896bf6ad31ad016993ef6a6a74d07730e062403&

(need to open in browser)

And if not, should it be ? Should it be updated to B42 ?

That's one of the resources linked for mapping

*[[#mapping message](/guild/136501320340209664/channel/279303619277488128/) A more recent base map for PZ.]

[digital helm]

Not sure how we missed pinning that

[digital helm]

I don't think we do. If we did, it should be in here https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:PZ_map_screenshots
Could be good having it. Although the resolution would need to be reduced, since it's so big

[flint vapor]

Could be hosted outside maybe

Idk tbf, might not be too useful

Is it possible to move categories as subcategories ?

And if so how could I do that ?

Thinking some of these

Tho my new category doesn't even appear here I guess

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Lua_(API)

[proud cobalt]

Thanks

[flint vapor]

Page is now irrelevant, bcs things were way more fitting in Modding directly
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Mod_creation

Also organized https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Modding

[languid kayak]

we have that: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Knox_Country.png but the problem with big maps, is that thumbnails are not generating

[flint vapor]

Now the page is way way more clean with actual useful and updated resources

[flint vapor]

Yeah the file is massive

[languid kayak]

Although keep in mind there's a top view in https://b42map.com/

[flint vapor]

Yeah I'm aware of that

Just found that file in the old Modding page

Figured it might be useful to maybe keep it somewhere

It's a pretty cool item

[languid kayak]

@flint vapor https://pzwiki.net/wiki/AnimViewer – seems it's called Animation Viewer; should I rename (move) the page?

[flint vapor]

I guess yes

[digital helm]

There's no differentiation between a category and a subcategory, they're the same thing. The only one that isn't a 'subcategory', is the top-level category Category:Main. Every other page/category should be in a category.
Each category that a page is in is defined on the individual page. So when moving/renaming a category you then also need to update the category on each of those pages too. (which it looks like you've done)

We use Template:Header for adding most categories, which automatically adds [[Category:CATEGORY_NAME]] to the page https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Header

Is the header/breadcrumb what you meant? https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Category%3ALua_(API)&type=revision&diff=752867&oldid=752833

[lucid junco]

I thought of that

Though now Im thinking if there are any hotdog holders in the game

[tulip kiln]

maybe it's worse, maybe it's traditional in knox country for stores to just leave stale hot-dogs lying on the bench

like dozens of em

[lucid junco]

Lmao, red bricks got moved

[rotund echo]

Man, with b42map.com, I see that Topcrown Plaza has apartment units in it now

And that Bateman Office Building has a suite, full with a living room, bathroom, kitchen, and possibly even a bedroom

[lucid junco]

You know, I think Top view of the pzmap and the official KY map that you see upon town selection would be better

[languid kayak]

I'm taking a second look at https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=PZwiki:Project_Modding&curid=33915&diff=751423&oldid=751045

*Consider using a distinctive color for pages in [[:Category:Modding]], current plan is to use yellow or green for "meta" (community, help, PZwiki) pages.
Are we still considering a third color for modding? I think it was you @digital helm who originally suggested it?

[digital helm]

I don't think it's necessarily needed. I guess the main thing is distinguishing main game content articles from everything else

[languid kayak]

also, are we agreeing that the pages from https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Tasks#One-time_bot_tasks should be sentence case too? If so, I can move the Lua Objects → Lua objects and create Java objects, then just Lua Events to Lua events would need a bot, since it's too many pages

I think I'd say so, even the pages themselves are sentence case:
from https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Lua_Events

An event in programming is a signal or notification that something has occurred or changed.
and from https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Lua_Objects
A Lua object is essentially a table with additional rules and behaviors implemented using metatables and functions, enabling object-oriented programming principles.

Also @flint vapor you think it'd still be good to write a page for each of the dev tools? Some are outdated, so it'd be mostly historic reasons or if someone would like to fiddle with some old mods / game versions.
as per a removed task in https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=PZwiki:Project_Modding&curid=33915&diff=751423&oldid=751045 (these are still linked in the infobox; only TileZed have a stubby page, as I wanted to at least keep the pictures somewhere)

Though TileZed will surely stay, due to its importance

WorldEd would probably need a page too at least

oh and one more thing @flint vapor, I got a pointers from @tender frost the other day around, linked them to Vailesys too, but since neither of us got the time to actually put them on wiki, maybe you will? All are useful pointers and I'm sure there's more Glytch3r would like to share on wiki too, but not really got the time to update anything other than the Tiledef lists:
#1070852229654917180 message
#1070852229654917180 message (this one's uploaded on the wiki: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:ItemTypeGuideSmaller.png )
#1070852229654917180 message

[lucid junco]

Where is the orphanage?

There is a large half scratched off painting called location_orphanage

Looks like a great place

KPR Shit but local?

[languid kayak]

This one's mentions the orphanage: https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2023/09/sky-high/

[lucid junco]

Oh

[languid kayak]

https://projectzomboid.com/blog/content/uploads/2023/09/image-70.png

[lucid junco]

KPS a football club

[languid kayak]

KPR* yeah, seems so 😄

[lucid junco]

Now where is it..?

Seems too big to miss

[proud cobalt]

Major UI changes to the private map if i could get some feedback @lucid junco @languid kayak and anyone else

Dont forget to force refresh

[lucid junco]

Lemme refresh..

Oh

Neat

[proud cobalt]

I think buttons need some colour changes, and size adjustments

[lucid junco]

Yeah, I think they are a bit too huge

Top panel took only 1/10th of space while side is 1/5(totally not made up numbers)

Though its neat that you can remove them

[proud cobalt]

Yeah the side is collapsible though

I will make it smaller

[lucid junco]

How about adding a scale slider?

[digital helm]

Looks great! I don't think the button sizes are that bad. Can definitely do with a different colour to the background though.
I see why you put the toggle button on the right, but ideally that'd be anchored to the left of the main content.

Also need to adjust the font size of the roof layer opacity text, so it doesn't make a line break when above 0

[proud cobalt]

Oh the buttons were much worse before this, theyre pretty good now

I tried to anchor to the left, i just have no idea what im doing

[languid kayak]

Anyway, I updated https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Project_Modding#Job_board with the jobs I think are current (I assume Java object is something we want to have a page for?), and also updated https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Navbox_modding with the new groups and links, so far not adding just the Java object (it'd be red). Added modding tools for now, but if we decide the group is not needed, it can go. Gotta go, but pinging @flint vapor for that

[digital helm]

Move the button to the map-container div. Remove the right: 10px and add margin: 10px instead

Ideally the transition wouldn't be to 0px width too, because that creates the scrollbar on the right of the screen (compressing the text). Try playing with transform: translateX()

[proud cobalt]

Oh does it create a scroll bar for you? I did it the lazy way because it didnt for me

[digital helm]

Yeah

transitioning to 0px is definitely the easiest way 😄

[proud cobalt]

Oh it does for me only if i had foraging open, i see it now

[lucid junco]

It jiggles when you toggle it on and off continuously

[proud cobalt]

[proud cobalt]

You mad man it worked

[lucid junco]

@proud cobalt Objects overlay is so helpful wth

Some events are currently associated with it, so its nice to easily see them

[digital helm]

It's all about the container. For the transition, you could also look at affecting the sidebar-container instead of sidebar

[proud cobalt]

Yeah using translateX is not going to plan

I gotta take a break though, ill look at it again in like halfa

[digital helm]

I'm not too familiar with it, but thought it might help

[lucid junco]

@digital helm How do you make text like this in wiki?

[digital helm]

<code>like this</code>

[lucid junco]

Thanks

Ah yes

Forest

Dean definitely had shot life and living in the middle of Dixie

[lucid junco]

lol

Huh

There are multiple houses out on small islands

And there are no way to get to them?

[lucid junco]

Found it

It has interesting oddities apart from that creepy painting

Survivalist zombie type

[primal remnant]

Maybe someday they'll add swimming and boats

[lucid junco]

And climbing

Cause there are multiple towes with nothing but a ladder

So you cant climb them

[jolly crow]

Functionally, it'll probably be something much similar to rope climbing. The real question is if we'll be able to build our own ladders, if there are any limitations to where we can build them, whether or not ladders will have durability, whether or not that durability can be maintained, whether or not durability only applies to player-constructed ladders, and if zombies can damage that durability.

That's all speculation, though.

[proud cobalt]

Got the sidebar working 😄

Anybody need a generator? Just head to the airport

[proud cobalt]

Live on B42map, fuck it we push to prod and go to bed

[primal remnant]

clearly the best way to test a feature

[rotund echo]

Red generator vs blue generator vs yellow generator vs gray generator death battle

[languid kayak]

yeah, kinda surprised they didn't, as we already have mods to fill the niche.

[languid kayak]

this one's funny, straight onto the water? Also it's a drugshack

the other one's this

[lucid junco]

@proud cobalt I think something is wrong with coords

Those numbers are too big

And nowhere close to reality even if we say that its 1/10000 or something

[lucid junco]

Very common room def

Along with room, room2, room3 and derelict

but nothing beats my new beloved room def

fghgfh

[languid kayak]

I wonder what's emptyoutside for though 😄

probably has some use

[lucid junco]

Any creative people out ere?

Cant get what it should look like

[lucid junco]

Oh holy shit

@proud cobalt It works in top view

But not in isometric

[pure osprey]

The sidebar doesn’t close for me is that normal?

[lucid junco]

No

[pure osprey]

Oh maybe it’s just an issue on mobile

[lucid junco]

it should collapse when you press the =

[pure osprey]

It doesn’t do that for me

[flint vapor]

I guess that was it yeah

[flint vapor]

It's not a question of what's better tbf, just I found that file interesting, wondering if it should be archieved in some way

[flint vapor]

There are outdated dev tools ? The thing is that there's a fuck ton of tools in debug mode, and while most are not used, they should definitely be on the wiki, but you can't just split half the tools in a generic page, and half have their own pages ? There's some tools that will have a looooot of detail and explaination possibly, use cases, examples etc etc so you can't just throw them in a generic page

[flint vapor]

Also I completely wiped most of the older tasks, bcs priorities needed to be cleaned up a bit imo, tho it doesn't make some of these tasks irrelevant for sure

[flint vapor]

A bunch of these might be interesting to put on the Wiki yeah, why not, tho we'll have to see for that last one bcs the F11 menu is possibly going to be changed

[flint vapor]

Java objects look like a good idea possibly, tho definitely not going to be like that stupid IsoPlayer page that was completely ass, that page straight did not give any info, had wrong informations and was showing like 5 methods only, while there's a hundred. I think explaining what each Java object is will be useful but exposed methods and fields should not be detailed here I think, because there might just be way too much. I'll see with albion how we can do that because she has like fully generated documentation for some stuff and automating the creation of pages for each methods and fields might be useful ?

We'll see, definitely not a priority imo bcs the java doc and the game decompiling already full fills most of the work on Java objects

Documenting Lua objects in priority sounds way way more useful because in comparison there's 0 documentation for it, tho anyone can go in the code I guess

The navbox looks good overall

[flint vapor]

There's islands 👀 ?

[flint vapor]

Isn't it a horse ?

[proud cobalt]

$5 generator VS $50,000 generator

[proud cobalt]

Coords is in testing not properly implemented yet

They're actually the pixel coordinates

[proud cobalt]

Lmao i didn't even know that

[proud cobalt]

Top works because each pixel on that map is a new tile

[languid kayak]

nah, those were stand-alone dev tools / executables, like TranslationZed or ItemZed

[flint vapor]

I see

[languid kayak]

TranslationZed is here: https://github.com/TheIndieStone/ProjectZomboidTranslations/releases – I think it kinda still works, but had errors in the past, and lost relevant even more now that the translations are outsorced

https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/21923-itemzed-updated-11b/ – ItemZed stopped working on b41, I'm not sure we'll see a new release of it

Was a handy tool Vail used as a reference in the past, but nowadays everyone just parse the files directly

[flint vapor]

Might be important to archive those sure, but if they are not mentained anymore ...

[flint vapor]

That one is even worse, if it stopped working at B41, there's no one who's ever going to lose time with it

Not sure where those should be linked however, because I don't see myself linking those as actual used tools

Maybe a section deprecated tools in Modding ?

[digital helm]

sidebar is sick now 👌

[digital helm]

ItemZed wasn't overly helpful for modding imo, which is probably why it died. You were better off editing the script files directly rather than fiddling with a UI. Its parser was the best thing about it and its ability to write in lua to generate an output

@flint vapor is something like this helpful at all for modding? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Vaileasys/sandbox
It's just the contents of BodyLocations.lua converted to a table, showing the body locations that are exclusive with others.

Currently playing with clothing, and the body locations is overly complicated for your average reader, so trying to find a way to simplify and explain what a 'body location' actually means https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Vaileasys/sandbox_2

[flint vapor]

Might be useful yes

[digital helm]

I'll put it into modding then, rather than main game content

[flint vapor]

I'd say it's some important resource that some might need during development

I'd see a point where someone would need it, I myself might have needed that like a few months ago during dev of one of my mods

[digital helm]

Might put it on the BodyLocations script parameter page https://pzwiki.net/wiki/BodyLocation

[flint vapor]

I guess you could yeah

Simplifies it a bit

[dull flower]

I've got a quick 28s long video snippet to showcase how to use one of the Debug tools, doesn't accept MP4 for uploading though. Alternatives?

[proud cobalt]

Youtube

[dull flower]

YouTube it is.

[serene sage]

what do you call a channel that runs both news segments and tv shows? been a long time since I've watched an actual TV channel

[dull flower]

Followup question, any way to embed the video or do I just need to hyperlink it?

[digital helm]

video embedding isn't currently supported. So you'll have to just link it

[dull flower]

It seems to have blocked me from linking to youtube;

[proud cobalt]

Use the full link

[dull flower]

👍 Got it.

[digital helm]

a normal channel?

[serene sage]

I guess so, I tried looking up the wikipedia articles for random channels in the area that fit the criteria and they pretty much don't try to call the channel anything at all

they just list out the types of programs they air

[digital helm]

I'd just stick with 'general' or 'normal' broadcast channel. I don't think they're given any fancy name since they air just about anything

[serene sage]

looks like there's an actual article on this

looks like "general programming" it is

[proud cobalt]

Coordinates now work on isometric, you can also lock coordinates which will automatically copy the coordinates to clipboard, or click the coordinates button to copy them too. @lucid junco

[proud cobalt]

Gonna take a bit of a break, i'll get calvybot to start doing some work though. I've gone a bit hard over the past 2 weeks or so.

[lucid junco]

Have a nice break champ🫡

You've done a huge favour for us

[flint vapor]

o7

[digital helm]

Definitely well deserved. You've done a lot

[digital helm]

Clothing list updated to b42 https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Clothing still a bit WIP, but it's in a good state.

I was unsure how to organise armour as body locations got a bit more complicated. Thought about putting them in a "Protective gear" section, but then we should probably also move a lot of the masks in there, so I've just chucked them all in an armor section for now.

May need to also look at what we do with Backpack Sprayer. It's like a backpack, but not a container.

SCBA was also a weird one, as it acts like a mask, belt, backpack and Full top.

@languid kayak happy to look at reorganising. The script would need to be modified though