pzwiki_editing

[proud cobalt]

Mostly the template but is that image used on the template or am I thinking of something else?

[languid kayak]

nah, the one's used just in a clothing list/table

[languid kayak]

oh right, forgot they were deprecated, yeah, makes sense to keep them for a while. We can always remove later, I'll remove the tasks.

Also, I realized that https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/CanBoilWater doesn't have a page apparently? I thought it may be a typo, but it seems it's indeed just missing a page?

Updated tasks again, @digital helm is https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Vaileasys/sandbox_3 still a think you want to take a look at or not really?

[languid kayak]

I'm going through outfits now, @proud cobalt the outfit names with space are something we have to add manually right? As in-game they are defined without one. I guess redirects should be made for these? Especially as some are without space and some are with _

I think the outfit is the actual outfit ID/name as shown in the game? If, so I think it should go under the technical?

[languid kayak]

seems indeed, the script is set to replace and _ with spaces, right?
https://github.com/Vaileasys/pz-wiki_parser/blob/5b85217de02d54766ec76f0d8dcf432e67c448df/scripts/outfit_parser.py#L11C58-L12C1

and https://github.com/Vaileasys/pz-wiki_parser/blob/5b85217de02d54766ec76f0d8dcf432e67c448df/scripts/outfit_parser.py#L14 to add space

or rather this: https://github.com/Vaileasys/pz-wiki_parser/blob/5b85217de02d54766ec76f0d8dcf432e67c448df/scripts/outfit_parser.py#L9

[naive imp]

For real. Very impressed with progress so far

I like this

@languid kayak very impressed with the lack of tasks on the tasks page

We really just decided to go crazy

But always work to do 👷‍♂️

[languid kayak]

the items are the biggest task I guess, but also the most complicated one, to truly clear them out we'd have

1. Finish splitting
2. Update navboxes
3. Update item lists (Calvy and Vail were working on automatically generating them)
4. Go through each of the item, probably manually to verify all the minor stuff (galleries, missing 3D models, rotten/cooked food and order etc.) – most are not so straightforward to bot too

[naive imp]

Welcome to what I do for location work for point 4

[languid kayak]

btw, unrelated, but I think we should track the World version somewhere – it's great way of seeing whether something new gets added to the map.

[languid kayak]

yeah 😄 I wanted to do that for items too, but always found something else to do 😄

Speaking of which, how far are you? I think it's still something in LV and Doe Valley left?

[flat sun]

world version is more 'save format version' than 'map version'

[languid kayak]

so the map can change, but save format not?

[flat sun]

yeah

[languid kayak]

Plus some of the images from https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Location_images that aren't categorized still

[flat sun]

if you load up modded maps you'll see they're world version 195 too

[naive imp]

I'm about maybe like almost a fifth of the way through Louisville? Most of the locations are in a serviceable state thanks to @lucid junco they just aren't standardized yet

So everything works

It's just about standardization, filenames, categorization, etc etc until b42 drops

I wanna get as much done as possible before these new things bc then we have basements and procedural shit and skyscrapers and the world refresh and HOLY FUCK SO MUCH TO DO

[languid kayak]

There are sometimes thing I forget that are coming to b42, but probably are coming, like plants needing watering

[naive imp]

They always needed watering at least crops

[languid kayak]

or imgui debugger

[languid kayak]

but the indoor plants 😄

[naive imp]

Am slow

[languid kayak]

but yeah, farming is getting overhauled totally too

we mostly remember about fishing

[naive imp]

Fishing was covered the most

Imo I think farming might not be in the initial drop of unstable

[languid kayak]

yeah, for stuff that were covered the most, as in map changes, basements, heights, crafting, farming we remember of, but almost every aspect will be touched.

It's 2 years of constant updates with A LOT of new hires following the b41 success.

So while b40→b41 was the most noticable, as animations were brewing for that long, b41->b42 will have more areas being polished

Like the new advanced key loot system, no more farming keys by luring zombies into the houses

[naive imp]

Fun for the items crew

[naive imp]

You could say b42 is tlc mega edition

To like everything

[lucid junco]

Doe Valley - mostly done

Every business at least has a page

Though it feels like we are doing double work with me revamping a page and @naive imp re revamping it

[serene sage]

I’m currently going through all the dev thursdoids since early 2022 and putting all the b42 features in a list

[naive imp]

It's more about standardized language and formatting tbh. You did the bulk of the work I'm just reformatting things

[serene sage]

I’ve looked at four blogs and it’s already one and a half pages long

[naive imp]

Most of the revamping work was yours I'm just making tweaks to a few things, hence why I put standardize not revamp or overhaul 😀

@lucid junco meant to be reply

[naive imp]

Ah yes, unpaid data entry

This is why I work a manual labor job to make actual money lol

That way I'm not behind a screen ALL day

[serene sage]

holy crap there’s an entire task targeted at me specifically

[lucid junco]

Makes me feel a bit better, anyway
When you were out I thought that putting location info like "Central" or "South" lv could be useful

Since we've already done that in lv businesses page

While borders of which is which are as vague as b42 release date

I thought its fine

But I think you've removed most of them during standardization of revamps

So Im asking now if we should have it or not in the future

[naive imp]

Going back through my edit history you are correct I have done that. Now that you mention it I do think that's useful information. I will add it all back.

Doing 8 million pages gets you in a routine and you overlook a few minor things

Thank you for bringing that to my attention

Any other concerns you have @lucid junco? I'm all ears, always trying to improve.

[lucid junco]

Just in case, there is a border currently uploaded and available in my wiki bio so you can easily check where each business is at a glance

[naive imp]

Oh I was unaware of that. I will take a look

[lucid junco]

It was made by Calvy I think

And roughly follows the Businesses page at least in terms of which business is where

[lucid junco]

Currently unsure and Ill have to call quits earlier on my daily wiki edits due to tomorrow's full day skiing, so maybe tomorrow/Friday I will have something to discuss

But for now, the only thing that concerns me the most is the navbox

Though I guess we will wait till B42 drops with all of its new business types for us to make a good and semi - finished categorized list

[naive imp]

Yeah the navbox is a big change and I want that to be collaborative as I think everyone should agree on the formatting

It's so integral to the project I want all of us to agree

By the way if you ever disagree with an edit I make @lucid junco feel free to ping me here and we'll discuss, always open to input and conversation 😀

[lucid junco]

Alrighty

[languid kayak]

@serene sage hopefully you don't mind, I added an outfit subproject to project lore and made myself a leader, as that seems to be a bigger task now that I started messing with it 🙂 https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=PZwiki:Project_Lore&diff=660861&oldid=626459

[languid kayak]

kinda makes sense, I generally avoid sitting in front of my PC at work when possible too 😄

[serene sage]

fine by me, was getting a little lonely being the only one (sort of) actively working on the project

[languid kayak]

useful thing about b42 is that the buildings will be color-coded on the map (residential, business etc)

was teased in one thurstoid

[lucid junco]

What way color coded

Can I see a pic?

[serene sage]

I was also thinking of adding in some new tasks to the Project Lore page, of course some of the previously completed categories would no longer be completed, @languid kayak you think it's fine to unmark them again? or should I make a separate category for b42 tasks?

[languid kayak]

I think it was a video, sec, maybe I'll find it

[naive imp]

@lucid junco I have readded the Louisville district markers that I'm aware of, if you notice more are missing (there probably are) ping me and I'll fix em. I'm also gonna double le check everything once all of Louisville is done so if there's any left out there I'll readd them back then

[lucid junco]

Oh

[languid kayak]

from https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2024/10/hallodoid/ and precisely https://youtu.be/lgml08vufPE?feature=shared&t=34

[lucid junco]

That could be useful

If buildings would be color coded proper

[languid kayak]

these names are used on regular map, seems it was expanded to the m map too

(and the minimap)

though maybe it's just the legend/key? As the buildings are colored in 41.78.16 too

[serene sage]

there are more bullet points so far for fishing than for animals

[languid kayak]

what's that? That's from wiki or some other source?

[serene sage]

I'm collecting all the info I can find in the thursdoids (from 2022 onwards) and putting them on a doc

every little tidbit is being collected for reference purposes

[lucid junco]

Not every building is colored though

Or every area so to speak

Especially if business is a part of something, like an office /apartment complex

[serene sage]

alright I'm halfway through 2022

currently about three full pages of b42 features

crazy update honestly

[languid kayak]

@proud cobalt I assume these are automatically generated, right? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Construction_Worker_(outfit)#Overview – I noticed they lack %, not sure it's intentional?

Also from minor nits, "mandatory" should be lowercase

I also wonder, since the outfits are pretty much exclusively autogenerated, will the

[languid kayak]

oh and another nit; Spawn zone (lowercase z) 😉

Shouldn't the numbered outfits have space before the number? So Generic 01 instead of Generic01?

[digital helm]

I'm not sure yet. Leave for now. It's something to think about because we may need a different one for body part and body location. I just don't know what else they could be

[digital helm]

Ah, I guess it's ok for now. But b42 is adding an awful lot more items that we'll undoubtedly run into load time issues on the item's page. Maybe it can just sit on hold until then?

[digital helm]

I noticed that. Weird that it was missed. I'll create the page manually

[digital helm]

I agree with having outfit under technical

[languid kayak]

Should we replace the outfit with the id or something like that while at it?

At least the displayed value I guess?

btw, the script to auto generate outfit pages is something Calvy has, right? Or is it available publicly?

[digital helm]

outfit_id? So "Outfit ID"

[serene sage]

does this belong on the main radio page (especially as a top level section)? its inclusion feels a little odd to me

[digital helm]

I agree. Strategy is another section that turns into a dumping ground. I'm not fond of it.

[serene sage]

time to remove it then

[digital helm]

I think so. Can't find it on his GitHub
@proud cobalt

[digital helm]

@proud cobalt this was during your early days. What are your thoughts on strategy sections now?

[languid kayak]

yeah, that'd work

huh, there are two separate variants of Waiter_TacoDelPancho - Male Only and Female only

normally they don't have that added

[flat sun]

looks like it might just be the result of a typo, maybe one doesn't even spawn?

the way gendered outfits are set up is you just make two outfits with the same name, one male and one female

though i don't see references to either spelling in the zombie zones, so potentially neither spawn

[proud cobalt]

It replaces _ with , and also splits by camel case except for KY as a special case. But lost of it was also done manually just as a second check

[proud cobalt]

Yeah they got spaces to make them human readable

[languid kayak]

manual fixes makes sense, though some slipped through rader (should be McCoys)

I finished renaming them when there's no collisions and split the outfits by Male/Female only (as seen on horde manager), going to sleep now, but here it is if you want to update links in distribution template https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Navbox_outfits

One more thing I'd like to do is to add space before numbers in clothings – what do you guys think? If so, I can update them tomorrow.

Then I will move to individual outfits, updating see also, adding abouts and trivias and fixing/adding IDs if we add it to the infobox.

[proud cobalt]

No i made them. Default spawn chances are a percentage. Other spawn chances are not a percentage

[languid kayak]

I also wonder how accurate the spawning is, as https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Raider_(outfit)#Overview should spawn in K&B story (though again, this story is a specific odd case)

[proud cobalt]

Wiki parser under outfit_parser, you actually linked it earlier 😄

[proud cobalt]

^

[proud cobalt]

This one was already there when i was doing electricals, so not my work. I probably just rewrote it. Im not a big fan of strategy sections. Happy for it to go

[proud cobalt]

As far as i know neither actually spawn

[proud cobalt]

Oh i didn't find any reference to a raider, makes sense it is bobby. The ones that arent in spawn zones are difficult to track down

[languid kayak]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Project_Lore#Outfits – rest for later 😴

[digital helm]

With space before numbers, do you mean "Generic 01" instead of "Generic01"?
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Generic01_(female)
If so, I'd stick with how it's displayed in game/files. If they're different, I'd go with how it is in game first.
(I'm a little out of it with outfits)

[proud cobalt]

I think they should stay as GenericXX no space

[languid kayak]

Yeah, I originally though of using in-game names too, but we add spaces in CamelCaseNames already and convert _ to via the script.

Though if you both think there should be no space, then I guess I won't bother then.

[proud cobalt]

Morning @languid kayak i went ahead and replaced outfit= with outfit_id= and moved it into the technical section. So only redirects left to do in that task

Oh and updated them to their in code ids

[digital helm]

Hah, CanBoilWater doesn't exist, and doesn't look like it ever did... not sure where it came from. Must've gotten it mixed up with CanStoreWater. Boiling seems to just be determined by IsCookable. So I'll remove the link and consider whether to change the infobox and script once we get b42

[digital helm]

I've added the new trivia to the style guide. I also changed it to sections instead of dot points, and clarified/cleaned up some things. https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Help:Style_guide#Article_sections

Also made some changes to the writing section https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Help:Style_guide#Writing
https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Help%3AStyle_guide&type=revision&diff=662823&oldid=662821
Pretty much just clarified the writing style, i.e. be clear and concise (surprised this wasn't there already). Happy to discuss and modify if needed

[rotund echo]

Its been a month, but I recently realized that Radio Vans use Ham Radios instead of the usual ones, so I guess it could be good for multiplayer comms?

But then again, police cars, fire trucks, and ambulances also use Ham Radios too

[proud cobalt]

I updated locations. Afaik we do actually have body inventories as they're part of container spawns. Unless I'm missing something.

https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Help:Style_guide&diff=662825&oldid=662823

[languid kayak]

what zombie's wearing = outfit and what's in the corpse is a loot generated on top after it's killed I think

Speaking of which, is it possible to show zombie outfit in debug?

[proud cobalt]

Yeah but the corpses are just containers in the distributions file

[proud cobalt]

All I know is you can spawn them in the hoard manager with specific outfits

[languid kayak]

yeah, I glanced thrugh the edit and just confirmed, as it looks fine 😄

[languid kayak]

yeah, but seeing the outfit of the currently spawned zombie is I think not possible?

would be nice option to have tbf

[proud cobalt]

I was going to say I doubt it's even tracked after spawning, but it must be because there's specific loot that can spawn as part of specific dead zombies 🤔

[languid kayak]

ah, may be that. That's assuming the loot is predifined upon zombie spawn and not zombie kill

Which I think would be less optimial? Would make performance saving if game didn't have to keep the inventory of thousand zombies vs calculating just one each kill

[languid kayak]

btw; 41.78.16 turned exactly 2 years today; happy anniversary 😄

[serene sage]

2 years with no updates

[lucid junco]

Oh, Ive known that I think

But ability to install ham radio does not justify the shitiness

[rotund echo]

Yep

[proud cobalt]

No B42 on last B41 update

[flat sun]

zombie loot is actually weirder than both options

when a zombie dies its clothing items are transferred to the corpse, but all other loot isn't actually generated until a player enters looting range

the outfit name is stored on the zombie and then corpse at all times for that purpose

[lucid junco]

Then the car keys aren't pregenerated?

I know that house keys aren't, but by how there is always only one zed with a unique car key, it feels like a predetermined thing

[flat sun]

they could possibly be a special case, i haven't seen how that's done

a zombie does have an inventory that is transferred to its corpse when it dies, but in vanilla there usually isn't anything in there

(even clothing - clothing aren't actually turned into 'real' items until death)

if it were put in the zombie's inventory upon spawning or something, it would work

but that's a long way of saying 'i don't know'

[lucid junco]

Dont think that it means that tbh

Sex, Drugs and Rock & Roll mostly refers to a lifestyle of a person

So is Wine, women and song

While Mead, Drink and Bloody Merry refers to just the alcohol

So Lock, stock, and barrel, which means everything is more closely related to it

Though it isnt as obvious as All work and no play

https://tenor.com/view/shining-writing-mental-work-play-gif-16776230

[serene sage]

dude everything in this game is some sort of reference

what's next, the map is a reference to an actual place?

[lucid junco]

You would not believe what we have in trivia for one page

But Im not into nitpicking far fetched references tbh

And going like "O'Briens Kitchen is a reference to the most common surname in the USA, O'nies"

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/O'Briens_Kitchen
Also, it should be O'Brien's

[rotund echo]

Isn't that one near the hidden gun shop

Ah wait I remembered wrong

That's the one next to Phil's pawn shop

[lucid junco]

Banned from wiki

How dare you not knowing all business locations

[rotund echo]

I'm a gamer not an editor obsessively looking at the Zomboid Map Project and noting down all POIs

[lucid junco]

Its the one near the other pawn shop

[rotund echo]

The unlabeled one?

[lucid junco]

Yea

[rotund echo]

I remember getting a bunch of machetes in there

Iirc it had a military locker in the back room

I found an M16 magazine and 5.56 but none of the assault rifle itself

I swear to God I feel like the game is taunting me sometimes

[lucid junco]

Wha.. I a.. fuck you

[rotund echo]

Ah well, at least the game cut me some slack today and gave me a Katana-man zombie

[lucid junco]

Still the wrong one

[rotund echo]

Look, it's been a while since I last been to the three pawn shops

My memory is hazy

Cut me some slack will you

[lucid junco]

Wait what in the actual fuck

IT IS PHIL PAWN SHOP

[rotund echo]

LMAOOOO

[lucid junco]

I CAN EXPLAIN

[lucid junco]

DONT BAN ME

https://tenor.com/view/guy-crying-music-gif-12955947

[rotund echo]

God damn it I did remember right

Unlabeled pawn shop has a military locker in the back room

[pure osprey]

Where’s this?

[languid kayak]

this one is questionable indeed, and you know who left it if my memory serves right?

oh wait nvm

it actually was Calvy adding it 😄

[naive imp]

@languid kayak @digital helm with the upcoming update and likely influx of editors, do you think a "location pages" section should be added to the style guide so its more visible? The Boilerplates are kinda hard to find, buried in a few pages

Style guide is more visible

[naive imp]

HES A RAT, DUTCH!

IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW

lol

[languid kayak]

wouldn't it be better to make boilerplates more visible if they aren't too? and no strong opinions on that (as in nothing against but I didn't think through it really_

[naive imp]

I was thinking we do a combination of both. Put the information on the style guide and link to the boilerplate

Style guide has more basic information as to where things go, and a link like this:

For more detailed information, see (link to boilerplate)

Kill two birds with one stone

[languid kayak]

I think there's a typo @proud cobalt? https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Category:Autogenerated_articles_(B42)&action=edit&redlink=1

Also, things like https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Gold_Ring areBase.Ring_Right_MiddleFinger_Gold, I think we should cover the left side and other fingers too? Then make redirecs for pages like https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Ring_Left_RingFinger_Gold

Can it be at least semi automated?

[languid kayak]

updated https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Air_Crew_(female) , https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Air_Crew_(male) and https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Air_Crew_(disambiguation) as an example to move forward, with https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Air_Crew being a redirect, if there's something to add, let me know, if not I'll be moving with that forward

but again, not today 😄

[rotund echo]

Louisville

[rotund echo]

How do you even find air force outfits in this game? Foraging?

[proud cobalt]

This used to say it was a reference to that store, iirc i changed it to what it is now, instead of completely removing it

[proud cobalt]

Nevermind, i gues i dont remember correctly 😆

[proud cobalt]

Thats why it still had split on it. I remember now. I was going to add the other fingers to the pages

Also fixed the typo

[proud cobalt]

In lockers in armyhanger rooms, and foraging

[rotund echo]

But where is the armyhanger rooms?

[serene sage]

I do not believe any exist currently in the map

[rotund echo]

I knew it

[serene sage]

the only two mainly military locations (LV checkpoint and secret research facility) don't have any rooms with that definition

also armyhanger implies a hanger of some sort

unfortunately there are no aircraft hangers on the map

[naive imp]

I swear I found them somewhere

But I do not remember where

Could've been foraging

[rotund echo]

Well you could find quite literally any item by foraging

[naive imp]

Yeah I've found gen magazines that way

But I swear I looted them from a room once

But I don't know where

[digital helm]

Would this pretty much just be for article sections?
We currently have this, which I moved to the top of the section. We can reference locations specifically.

Some pages can have more non-standard sections, for these, it's best to consult the appropriate boilerplate and compare it with similar pages.
Just concerned about going too specific in the style guide. It starts with locations then expands to vehicles, template documentation, modding, etc. Then it becomes too unwieldly.

[rotund echo]

The only thing close to an airport or airfield in this game is the dragstrip, an old airfield repurposed for drag racing

[serene sage]

yes, unfortunately it is a former airfield and not an active one

[languid kayak]

nah, you need to find the zombie with it. In the end, it was one of the few items missing in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xb266CS3r80

at least the helmet

[languid kayak]

Calvy is living in the future 👀

[languid kayak]

not any, but the list is impressive indeed

Though indeed both the outfit and helmet should be found in foraging tables, unless something's bugged:
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Air_Force_Helmet#Location
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Air_Force_Coveralls#Location

[rotund echo]

Is it also the same for like, Jackie Jaye's coveralls?

[proud cobalt]

One day

[languid kayak]

Jakie Jaye uses the regular ones actually https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Coveralls_(yellow)

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Jackie_Jaye_(outfit)

[rotund echo]

Got a slightly different texture

[proud cobalt]

The code on the yellow boilersuit page is wrong, i'm not but will replace it likely tomorrow if i remember

But it should just be Base.Boilersuit_Yellow for Jackie nothing special

[languid kayak]

BTW, seeing it's red I wanted to redirect https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=MakeUp_LipsRed&action=submit and initially thought to redirect it to to https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Lipstick but

1. that might be confusing as readers may thing she'll carry lipstick
2. maybe we should include the code for the makeups somewhere on the wiki? Currently the bits are not documented anywhere, could potentially be useful for modders at least.

[rotund echo]

Isn't lipstick a common drop on lady zombies? Idk I never paid much attention to cosmetic products in this game

[languid kayak]

it is, that's why. The red links e.g. on Jackie's page (see https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/MakeUp_LipsRed for example, there are more similar ones), are for the actual makeup that is applied on a zombie

As in, if you kill a zombie with it, you won't get it back, but it's nice to know the zombies spawns with it applied.

There's a also a niche case for zombie damage at https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Zed_Test though this specific one is a debug outfit and the actual zombie damage I think it's different. Similarily I did list (commented out) a ZedDmg body location in https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Clothing&action=edit

<!--FannyPackFront, FannyPackBack, ZedDmg, UnderwearInner, Bandage, Wound-->

[proud cobalt]

I think the best option would be to alter how it outputs in the code. Change it to link to appearance and say something like "Red lipstick makeup" or something. Because technically makeup is just a clothing item in PZ disguised

In the wiki parser we just skip them. Same with blood on zombies, it's all items

[tepid star]

I mean i did find orange soda once doing this

[rotund echo]

Yeah somebody ever foraged an M16 before

[proud cobalt]

Yep, has a chance of 1 in the forage definitions

[lucid junco]

Drop it into the river

[rotund echo]

I swear, which one do you think is rarer, M16 or Katana

I think its the former

[lucid junco]

Katana

You have many army surplus stores, lockers, gun stores, ect

[rotund echo]

There's only so much containers that could spawn an M16 and it doesn't grow on zombies like Katanas too

[lucid junco]

But only few pawnshops that can spawn katana

[rotund echo]

I once looted Jamieton, Ready Prep, Stars & Stripes

NO M16 ASSAULT RIFLE

The chance for an M16 to even spawn in a military container is already pretty small, so chances are you won't find it anywhere else other than the Louisville border camp

[lucid junco]

Tbh never lived long enough for that

[digital helm]

I've fixed the code

[lucid junco]

Or even longer to actually see one spawn

[rotund echo]

Though tbf Katana Man is pretty rare too

I have only ever seen one Katana Man

[proud cobalt]

Technically they have a 20 chance to spawn on private militia zombies, but they don't spawn anywhere 😆

[rotund echo]

Zombies that never existed in the first place don't count XD

[serene sage]

I’ve made it to the play your cardz right thursdoid (feb 2023) and so far I’ve got a list six pages long of b42 features

tons of stuff that pretty much 99.9% of people have forgotten

such as lockpicking, new food items, new randomized stories

also some stuff that’ll blindside current players such as siphoning gas requiring a hose

[proud cobalt]

When you're done, could you send me a raw file, ill update the project with it too

[serene sage]

sure, I was planning on sharing the doc anyway

[proud cobalt]

Thanks 😄

[serene sage]

that's enough thursdoid reading today, at this point I've referenced 21 thursdoids, and the list increased by one page

the devs really are cracked, aren't they

[proud cobalt]

Could you send me what you have now? I'll start converting it into tasks for B42 update

[serene sage]

sure

[proud cobalt]

Ty

[serene sage]

here's the link, it's open to anyone btw https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ol08kuLKx8KTRHCq4dwO7axRNjgItlS2xXqM8CBYn8c/edit?usp=sharing

still a year and a half of thursdoids left

I'll probably highlight them so you'll know what's new later on

[proud cobalt]

Cheers, this will help a lot

[serene sage]

by the way a lot of the features are quite vague while others are quite specific

there might be some overlap in the points

I just transcribe what I read in the blogs

[proud cobalt]

Imagine if i could just update every infobox with one edit to a lua module output by a script
https://wiki.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/Module:ChampionData/data

[rotund echo]

Muldraugh Mass Genfac has a clone in Louisville

Like, almost identical, albeit it has no logo and is color brown

Perfick Potato Co. warehouse 😄

[lucid junco]

So does the office complex

And many more buildings if you pay attention

There are multiple buildings even within LV that are duplicates of each other

[rotund echo]

I mean, look at all those houses lol

All those rowhouses too

March Ridge is also the epitome of copy and paste

Ctrl + C

Ctrl + V * 128 times

[proud cobalt]

Which makes sense. When you're building housing with us army engineers, building the same house 500 times is gonna be quicker than a new design for every house

[rotund echo]

(That's probably the reason the devs created March Ridge as military housing too)

Should the warehouse be considered part of Perfick Potato? Very similar color and immediately next to each other

[lucid junco]

https://map.projectzomboid.com/#12542x2111
https://map.projectzomboid.com/#13526x3089

[rotund echo]

Oh yeah, the Riverside strip mall also has an identical copy in Louisville next to the horse track, lol

[lucid junco]

https://map.projectzomboid.com/#13110x1582
https://map.projectzomboid.com/#12610x1897

[lucid junco]

Im curious if LV has a copy of RV strip mall, or the other way around

VHS was added before LV

[digital helm]

This sure would be nice! Imagine how big that file would be 😄

[digital helm]

Thanks a lot for doing this, it's a big help. A lot of obscure but major things have been mentioned over the years

[languid kayak]

where does it came from? lol

[proud cobalt]

It would be beautiful

[languid kayak]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/O'Brien's_Kitchen – is it O'Brien's Kitchen or o'Brien's Kitchen (lowercase o) actually?

[lucid junco]

I think its capital O

Like O'Niels

[serene sage]

no idea lol

anyways I fixed it

also revoked commenter privileges because basically anyone on the server can do stuff like that

[languid kayak]

btw, not stricte wiki related, but I just finished watching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAfqqayma6Y – great video from some new youtuber who over the course of the video almost maxing and exploring everything over the course of the video. It's with mods too, but a really refreshing video.

He also explored the Brandenburg and the fort near Louisville, calling it Fort Knox as well.

Thanks for that btw @rotund echo – was thinking it should be done, but I never actually did that, since Fallas Lake is a part of Doe Valley indeed 😛 https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Knox_Country&curid=369&diff=662769&oldid=652223

I doubt we have any plans for further splitting Bandana @proud cobalt but without it we have 5 bandanas here 😄 https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Punk_(male)#Items

[proud cobalt]

😆 Yeah bandana is the same item just tied differently so I think it should stay the way it is. This is the same problem with redirects where it overrides anyway

[rotund echo]

Current definition of "Doe Valley" includes Deerhead Lake and the far western pit stop along the highway, I think this should be split/changed?

[languid kayak]

Deerhed Lake as in Valley Station?

or wait, wrong lake I guess :D?

Either way, feel free to I guess

[rotund echo]

I mean this

[languid kayak]

Though would Deerhead Lake and camp around it be of a separate location then?

[rotund echo]

Here's my rough map on how I think the Knox Country subdivisions can be divided

[rotund echo]

Probably, but it's also the biggest and most major POI on that part of the map

[languid kayak]

ot of curiosity, what does "A" stands for in the varsity jacket? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Varsity_Jacket

[rotund echo]

Tho this will very soon be... Outdated, lol

[lucid junco]

Im curious to what extend is Dixie mobile park a separate area

We didnt separate Scenic groove for example

[rotund echo]

Its generally considered as "part of Riverside"

[languid kayak]

The disambiguation pages are all done for outfits now 🙂 https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Project_Lore#Outfits

[languid kayak]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Metagame would be the closest, though it's not detailed

there's also https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Noise

Noise has the improve tag for actually adding ranges,

[lucid junco]

Its absolutely not closest tbh

I dont see anything

[languid kayak]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Metagame#Meta_event

There's not really anything other than these two, maybe a mention in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Custom_Sandbox

the last page could use updates too 😄

[languid kayak]

btw @proud cobalt how accurate are the spawning zones for outfits? I got impression that outfits such as https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Army_Service_Uniform_(female) or https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Air_Crew_(female) or their male countersparts do spawn somwhere

[languid kayak]

oh right, I forgot there's one more icon that's 128px, white and not using anything from the game: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:UI_Frequency.png

Are we planning to do something with it?

Also, are we adding Build 42 category to https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Version yet? Assuming we're keeping the category, it's what what used for https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Project_Build_41_Update

[languid kayak]

seems the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Wild_Racoons_Leather_Jacket misses the outfti spawns, the other biker jackets have it

[languid kayak]

okay, I removed https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Cook_Ice_Cream_(female) and https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Cook_Ice_Cream_(male) out of autogenerated, but they are still missing info where they spawn (in the overview section). Is it possible to add that? Pinging @proud cobalt for that.

[languid kayak]

btw @proud cobalt there seems to be pages that still link to the wrong page https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Gas2_Go_(female_outfit)

Though maybe the script could be updated to the new names anyway?

[digital helm]

No harm in creating it now if you really want

[digital helm]

I plan to look at the rest of these icons, yes. May not be able to use anything from the game, but will at least aim for that style

[proud cobalt]

They are done manually by me searching the spawn zone file and random stories. I'm quite confident on the spawn zone section, the random stories is much harder but I checked all of them afaik

[proud cobalt]

Yeah I couldn't find anywhere they spawn, but every other one does so I was a bit confused.

[proud cobalt]

Oh yeah they mislink KY fan and player too. I'll have to fix the problem in the distribution script.
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Socks

[serene sage]

build 2 of the doc is finished, I've got all the dev blogs up until January 2024 (exclusive) done, it now amounts to a 9 page (last page is references) list and consists of 3000 words and about 200 unique bullet points

[lucid junco]

https://youtu.be/fSNXbg33qvY

[serene sage]

I've now added the january, february and march thursdoids to the doc as "build 3"

strange how it took me way longer to take notes for three blogs today than six or seven yesterday

also pretty quiet here today

[lucid junco]

Currently anticipating b42 drop

[languid kayak]

yeah, was wondering the same 😄 I still have some slight backlog, but mostly things are mostly quite indeed waiting for b42.

[proud cobalt]

Nobody wants to put hours into something that might be deleted in less than a week 😂

[languid kayak]

btw, I don't think I get what you mean by these "build x"? Though maybe I should have read the whole doc 😄

[languid kayak]

after b42 this will be hectic though

[rotund echo]

Exactly bro

I'd edit the Knox Country page but it'll all be outdated when 42 drops

[digital helm]

It's the third version of the doc, I think

[digital helm]

both looking forward to it and not 😄

[serene sage]

indeed, its a tracker on how many reading sessions I’ve done

b1 was dec 2021 to feb 2023, b2 was mar 2023 to dec 2023, b3 is jan 2024 to mar 2024

[serene sage]

there’s going to be 1,500 book/magazine titles and 500 photograph names

crazy the amount to sift through

anyway some reddit people have noticed some new branches on steam

mainly this one

could it be? the wikipocalypse?

[lucid junco]

"Damn Soviet spies" vibe

[digital helm]

I wonder how in depth the book/magazines will be. Whether they're just a randomised title, or if they have a back cover like VHSes

unless it was mentioned in the blogs? I don't remember

[serene sage]

they only mentioned titles

no content in the book but back covers haven’t been discussed

[digital helm]

We'll have to see how they work then, and decide whether it's worth keeping it to one page and list the titles (like VHS page) or have a separate pages. Especially if they have different IDs and effects

[serene sage]

man waiting for b42 sucks, how do I use this irl?

[digital helm]

I wonder if the devs feel the same

[lucid junco]

Yeah, Im curious how outdated it would be with tis adding in new locations and working over/improving/updating old ones

[rotund echo]

You guys do that, I'm too lazy, I'll be gaming instead

[lucid junco]

Imagen being the guy that will have to overlook all locations, businesses and adding in new signs

[rotund echo]

Anyway in order to make new/overhaul wiki pages for the all the map updates, I do actually need to be gaming and reporting my findings in the pzwiki.net

[lucid junco]

Doubly so if we dont get pzmap update in time

Since in game screenshots would be the only thing we will have for some time

[proud cobalt]

We dont even know if the tool blindcoder uses will work on B42 yet with procedural wilderness

[rotund echo]

Wonder if the new cities will be spawn points

Perhaps to get the POIs done, someone will have to begin a game with

• none population
• easy-use cars
• very high car condition
• full fuel tanks

This way someone can easily tour around the new map, noting down all POIs or businesses

[proud cobalt]

Or debug mode with fast move 😄

[rotund echo]

Ngl the first time I've ever been to Louisville, was beginning such a game, and just driving all the way there from Rosewood lol

But I eventually did come to Louisville in real gameplay...

[serene sage]

I'll be debugging the hell out of b42

tons of new stuff to try out

[serene sage]

found this in one of the thursdoids, are key rings going to have a limited amount of space in b42?

why else would there be a large version if not?

[lucid junco]

Oh no

My keyhoarding

[serene sage]

absolutely devastating

in other news I've just finished taking notes for Heat of the Night

the light at the end of the tunnel is approaching

[serene sage]

nevermind I've gotten to Heat of the Night

I did not finish it, my bad

[rotund echo]

Oh shit, where will I put all my car keys now??

[serene sage]

on your second key ring

duh

[rotund echo]

Do I just, leave them in the ignition???

[serene sage]

don’t the zombies will come in the middle of the night and drive off with your car

[thin cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-evil-laugh-evil-racoon-hehehehe-muhahaha-gif-25486258

[thin cloud]

I'm not writing 1500 back covers, use your imagination

[serene sage]

thank goodness

[thin cloud]

Bear in mind I actually get paid for this nonsense, and even I wouldn't do it

[languid kayak]

yeah. on one hand edits may give headstart… but still wouln have to be remade, so it's like spending 30 minuts to get possibly 5 minutes benefit once b42 drops 😩.

Though I do value the 41.78.16 edits still, as they will kinda serve till mp drops, which may take a while (hopefully not as long as b41 → b41 mp update did)

[languid kayak]

yeah, I noticed it too, I doubt we'll get to know which one is that, TIS are known from weird breanch names 😄

[languid kayak]

you use these https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Sleeping_Tablets (no don't :P)

[languid kayak]

you could export pzmap yourself… assuming scripts will work :/

though blindcoder will surely be updating the map too.

[languid kayak]

you can teleport in debug

[languid kayak]

or that, yeah 😄

[languid kayak]

I kinda always hated how heying is magically shove in your arse container type

[languid kayak]

keep in mind work on keys was teased in one of the thurstoids too

[rotund echo]

Please

The key ring

Its where all my car keys live

[languid kayak]

time to hire minions then

[languid kayak]

just hotwire everything

😄

[rotund echo]

NEVER

Hotwiring sux, key on top

[rotund echo]

Pay randos online to write shit for you kek

[lucid junco]

Remember to down them with booze for better effect!

(My lawyer advised me to clarify that this is a joke)

[serene sage]

there, I've done all the notes for every thursdoid from 2022 to 2024, I've now bumped the doc to build 4: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ol08kuLKx8KTRHCq4dwO7axRNjgItlS2xXqM8CBYn8c/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.ud6lggfupbig

some fun stats: 4200 words, 14 pages, 238 unique bullet points

[serene sage]

instructions unclear, I'm in an isometric third person view now

also there's this thing at the far corner of my vision

[lucid junco]

You can edit the death variable within the savefile or cheat engine

As long as you have the world open

Or just press respawn with mods

[serene sage]

but what if the people on reddit find out I'm cheating?

anyway, I'm at a ||crossroads|| with the document

[lucid junco]

HE SAID THE LINE

https://tenor.com/view/byuntear-lula-molusco-bob-sponja-tomato-gif-25152565

[serene sage]

should I start looking at some of the twitter posts for more information or should I leave the doc how it is?

might be some cool stuff there

[serene sage]

whoops

uh

we're at an intersection

that's what I meant

[serene sage]

nevermind, the bluesky posts don’t hint at any new features

[serene sage]

looks like the list on the Outfit page is incomplete, it ends at OfficeWorkerSkirt: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Outfit

[serene sage]

decided to just go ahead and finish the table because why not

[languid kayak]

There was one confirming the fire won't make it, but the other way around, I don't think either

[serene sage]

well we all know that the fire revamp isn't making it onto the b42 train anyway

the bluesky posts are mainly just screenshots of new items and stuff

great for theorizing but I've decided to not do any analysis because it's basically just speculation

the GUID for Police (male) and Police (female) are the same, is this wrong? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Police_(female) https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Police_(male)

[languid kayak]

hm, seems to be the same in code. @proud cobalt @digital helm can you confirm?

[serene sage]

same thing for Police State (male) and Police State (female)

identical GUIDs

[digital helm]

I'll take a look when I get home, unless Calvy does first. My work day just started

[flat sun]

that's because the guids don't do anything

the game doesn't even read them lol

[proud cobalt]

41.78.16 is a measly 600gb

[languid kayak]

Not sure how the extra height levels will serve, but actually b42 should be roughly the same, it's just you'd get cities instead of forest

[proud cobalt]

They're the same GUID

[serene sage]

just curious, how were the outfit images generated?

[proud cobalt]

I went in game with a mod that let me pick outfits in the chracter creator, then i used a mod that made the preview window bigger. Took a screenshot for every outfit, then used a python script to crop to the exact window size for each, then used a batch process in photoshop to remove the background of each

[serene sage]

I was more so referring to how each outfit seems to be in the exact same, specific part of the walking animation

did you just try to time the screenshot at the right moment?

[proud cobalt]

Nah just random

[serene sage]

huh strange

they look pretty identical to me

[pure osprey]

How do you do it?

[proud cobalt]

This tool
https://github.com/cff29546/pzmap2dzi

[pure osprey]

That’s sick

[rotund echo]

I don't think office buildings belong in the "Residential" section

[lucid junco]

We will rework navbox after all/most locations from b42 will be documented

So that we can make good categories

At least thats what I think about

[proud cobalt]

Bascially every single navbox needs redoing at this point, it should all come after B42

[lucid junco]

No point of doing it now if one category becomes a bloated mess like residential and restaurant

[rotund echo]

(Though maybe Topcrown Plaza gets a pass because it has a bedroom inside)

[naive imp]

It does need rework but holding off for now until b42 locations are done then we can have a discussion about it

I want us all to agree and no point changing now of we have to do it again soon anyway

[languid kayak]

feel free to move, I think @naive imp (or was it someone esle?) wanted to overhaul the navboxbes, but I think a lot of issues are kinda falling behind with folks waiting for b42 with the overhauls 😛

[languid kayak]

oh yeah, that 😄

[languid kayak]

yeah, I do track the task to do so, but indeed b42 with their all new content will turn things upside down 🙃

[rotund echo]

You guys get brief immediately-before-42 Christmas break

Then upon Unstable being released y'all just teleport around in debug mode, noting down all POIs

[rotund echo]

And wait, we also do need to still account for 41.78.16 because that's the current stable branch

[digital helm]

Don't worry, we've been over it a fair few times. The wiki will be updated to b42, just as it was when b41 was in iwbums, but there'll be a link at the top of each page to a b41 revision

[languid kayak]

yeah, that's why I value the edits for 41.78.16, though I know how everyone doesn't want to do the same job twice, else it's jsut a matter of time till we'll be in the same situation as now, where pretty much no one plays b40 anymore and we had to spend considerable amount to update everything 😄

I wonder if b42 will get influx of new editors to wiki too, though b42 mp will be the main one I think

[proud cobalt]

Stable B42 with MP. That will be the day

[serene sage]

"tacho del pancho"

anyway the outfit list is finished: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Outfit#Outfit_list

dang still no b42

[lucid junco]

Remember that day isnt over

Its only 5pm for tea drinkers

[serene sage]

how much hopium have you taken?

[lucid junco]

None

Im in negative hopium reserves

Pure copium is all I have

[serene sage]

I see

[naive imp]

SOUND THE ALARM

[tulip kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-monsters-inc-walk-walking-gif-26685501

[naive imp]

Bro you were correct

How

[tulip kiln]

Woah, location editors be eatin good tonight

[languid kayak]

actual in-game name

[languid kayak]

you had a crystall ball :D?

[digital helm]

Gonna be a lot less guessing

[languid kayak]

but the louisville has totally different districts it seems

[tulip kiln]

Yup, a few new districts.

[chrome eagle]

thanks for the image

[molten night]

OMG ITS BETTER THAN WHAT I HAD IMAGEN

[digital helm]

Is the build number 42.0.0 or something else?

[serene sage]

HOLY SHIT

I DID IT

I PREDICTED SOMETHING CORRECTLY FOR THE FIRST TIME

[chrome eagle]

Can you please post nearby photos of new cities?

[serene sage]

no idea

[tulip kiln]

YOOO GUYS LOOK AT THE FUCKIN CORTMAN MEDICAL GLOWUP

[serene sage]

god damn Cortman's rich

[digital helm]

@proud cobalt page_version template is updated. And seems to work as intended 😅

[naive imp]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHH

rip louisville

I won't be available until tmrw got too much shit to do

[naive imp]

Oh fuck my liiiiife

[tulip kiln]

lmao so many new sandbox options

also zombies by default seem to have random hearing and eyesight, so some zombies have pinpoint hearing in the default apocalypse lmao

[serene sage]

noooooo

key rings have a maximum capacity

this is a travesty

[languid kayak]

yup

[dire dock]

A whole BUNKER under the military base, it seems they did tests with the zeds

[tulip kiln]

No it's nothing random citizen, go back to your business. They're just testing a new brand of shampoo.

[visual vale]

YOOOOO i have to chek it out :D

[urban ridge]

Can someone fix this it won't let me

Should be 'a' not an

[dire dock]

lol

[digital helm]

Fixed

[shut heart]

we gotta upate them pages now

shortsighted

high thirst

[proud cobalt]

Feel free 🙂

[lucid junco]

https://tenor.com/view/sleep-wake-up-wake-up-in-night-ren-and-stimpy-gif-24104879

[rotund echo]

They slowmode'd pz_chat and general_chat 😭

Its going EXACTLY how I imagined it

[rotund echo]

Holy shit, research lab basement, and Jesus Christ, that armory

[lucid junco]

I wont be able to see anything until >8 hours later

https://tenor.com/view/no-no-gif-17511868351874922325

God damn you life

[rotund echo]

Hey if it makes you feel better, people in Zomboid chat are complaining that the new art looks like AI, instead of actually playing 42

[lucid junco]

Professor cancel classes

Delay all lectures and other shit

B42 had dropped

Its an emergency

[lucid junco]

I mean, predictable

[rotund echo]

We must rant about the new muscle strain system

[lucid junco]

B42 moodles are new

So almost everything that gets changed will be criticized

Remember that people complained when zomboid went 3d

[rotund echo]

Pick up metal pipe

Beat 7 zombies to death

Already get muscle strain (similar to exercise fatigue)

[lucid junco]

What

B42 sucks then!

[rotund echo]

Its fucking exercise fatigue but from melee fighting

[lucid junco]

How could they nerf my axeman build so hard

I wouldn't be able to kill dozens of zeds now

Build 42 sucks

(should add a /j because I still haven't tried it and won't be able to for a while)

[rotund echo]

You can reduce the muscle strain at least

Or hell, just straight up removed it

[digital helm]

It's probably just one of those things that's annoying at first, but you get used to it

It at least makes sense to get it. But maybe too quickly?

[rotund echo]

Its too quick

Sure, makes sense if you are sore from spending all day long just fighting zombies

But after only seven or fifteen zombies? Nuh uh

[lucid junco]

Maybe it changes with fitness?

Or strength

[tulip kiln]

I imagine your muscles feeling quite sore after pulverizing the skulls of a dozen people makes sense.

Also we got another fuckin addiction for the easter eggs page yeee

[lime kettle]

Do we have a policy on unstable content? Do we make, like, sandbox/temporary pages for them?

I was going to paste my research on opening cans without a can opener, but there doesn't seem to be a general "canned food" page that it could go on. Just in case it's useful anyway, though, with the disclaimer that this is B42 content:

So, for opening a can with a knife/stone:

• 3 base chance to hurt yourself.
• Lucky removes 2, otherwise unlucky adds 2.
• Dextrous removes 2, otherwise clumsy adds 2 (surprisingly all thumbs doesn't, though?)
  • This means that if you have dextrous it cancels out the clumsy modifier. Nice!
• Short Blades skill > 5 removes 2 chance, otherwise Short Blades skill > 3 removes 1, otherwise if your skill is less than 1 it adds 1 chance.
• If your cooking skill is > 5, it removes 2, otherwise Cooking > 3 removes 1, otherwise if < 1 it adds 1.
• Roll a D20 if your wound chance is > 0, otherwise roll a D30.
• If you roll your wound chance or below on the die, you take damage from the item you're using.
• If the item you're using isn't usable as a weapon, you take damage from a kitchen knife.
• It always hurts your left hand.
  This means that the highest chance to hurt yourself is 9/20, if you're unlucky, clumsy, and unskilled at both cooking and short blades. The lowest chance is 1/30.

[smoky cloud]

i keep trying to explore this and ive died (with godmode and invis on) seven times and my game just crashed the minute i got down

😭

[digital helm]

There's no written 'policy' for it, but people are free to update the wiki to build 42, just need to make sure you change the page version template at the top of the page {{Page version|42.0.0|2=xxx}}. This will notify readers that it's been updated to an unstable version, and provide a link to the b41 revision of the page.

Since there was only 1 can opener in b41 any mechanics were exclusively on that can opener item page. So it may be worth looking at creating a page for can opening

[digital helm]

This is really good though, thank you

[lime kettle]

I would probably suggest a general 'canned food' page rather than a 'can opening' page?

Also, sharpening and fixing items is supposed to have the fail chance affected by Unlucky, but that's currently broken. (I've reported it, but it may be worth noting if a page is created for those.)

[digital helm]

Either I think would be fine 🙂

[proud cobalt]

The wiki will be updated to each new build, when you edit a page with new content, update the page version template neat the top with the build number, in this case 42.0.0

[proud cobalt]

Oh i should have scrolled down

[lime kettle]

I wasn't sure if we waited until it was stable or not, but now I know! Thanks.

[proud cobalt]

Np 🙂

We've been preparing for this day for a long time 😆

I just mowed the lawns and now my arms hurt and i have 650 pages left to move

[digital helm]

Thanks for asking though. We won't be able to control people updating everything, especially when it'll likely be in unstable for a long time, so decided to just update it

[digital helm]

Life getting in the way of build 42 release

[proud cobalt]

How dare they release today

[proud cobalt]

I think the new item naming system is better in game, but incredibly worse for us. Pants - descriptor is not very search friends. Redirects will be king

[digital helm]

Disambig pages too!

[proud cobalt]

OH GOD

The pants disambig page

[digital helm]

[lucid junco]

Same thing

[lime kettle]

I have the muscle strain calculations figured out if anyone wants to put them on the wiki.

And it's marked as spam.

#pz_b42_chat message

[languid kayak]

it goes out fast, though

[proud cobalt]

Adding this now ill ping you when done

[naive imp]

Ok everyone I just spoke with blindcoder and he said that the map will be updated in January realistically, so we may have to rely on old school in-game mapping for now

I haven't been able to get to my pc (won't for at least another 12 or so hours) so it'll take some time for me to be able to do things

Me and gf picked the wrong day to spend together it seems

I will make a reddit post about some things regarding the wiki, I want everyone's input so I'll let yall know once I'm working on it

Mainly a call to action and some things that need handling if that's ok but others input is very welcomed

[proud cobalt]

Added to the wiki here, seems the best place for it. Will need some TLC in the future, being a block of text atm. But at least it's there.

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Health#Muscle_strain

[lime kettle]

muscle strain is influenced by your weapon skill level, and strength skill level. This isn't true for all sources, only combat.

[proud cobalt]

Fixed

[rotund echo]

I guess, perhaps I should try to be more patient?

[proud cobalt]

You have to have a musch slower play style than b41 if playing with strain on

[naive imp]

I haven't gotten to play yet bit from what I've heard it seems very oppressive

[proud cobalt]

It needs balancing, theyve said that

[rotund echo]

Yeah, its gonna be tough for us to adjust

[proud cobalt]

that's all it needs i think

They are aware

[rotund echo]

Especially if wer'e already used to and capable of mowing down zombie hordes in 41

[lime kettle]

Remember to note that it's been updated to B42.

[flat sun]

keep in mind there are generally a lot fewer zombies in 42 with similar settings

[proud cobalt]

I may leave it for now, theres likely more to change and this helps us keep track

[proud cobalt]

Is this true for total population? Or just distribution between towns and rural?

[lime kettle]

It's more that it might mislead players still on build 41.

[rotund echo]

I tried Rosewood, still feels like normal, but West Point suburbs seem to be a lot quiter now

[flat sun]

i don't know about total population but the difference is a lot less binary than 'towns vs rural'

housing in particular tends to have a lot less zombies now

[rotund echo]

The "normal" population setting is also 0.65

[flat sun]

and the improvements to stealth do allow you to pick fights much more than you can in b41

[digital helm]

It was a much bigger shift from b40 to b41. It was so easy to take out an entire horde with just a kitchen knife. I think we'll just get used to it or turn it off

[proud cobalt]

Give it some time to be balanced imo

[tulip kiln]

dats another easter egg for the collection

FARMING & RURAL SUPPLY HAS EXPANDED TO IRVINGTON

Irvington literally has a beef jerky factory

[tulip kiln]

Haven't searched too much yet so I haven't found much, but here's a few easter eggs I've found already

[digital helm]

I'm sure there's plenty more! Not just locations either

[tulip kiln]

ye this was just a quick check, there's probably new easter egg locations added to some of the pre-existing towns.

[digital helm]

Time to go back over every corner of the map

[tulip kiln]

There are so many brochures and fliers we gotta add jesus

lmao love that they had to state in the flier that this year guns aren't allowed in the club, lmao did everybody get drunk and accidentally shoot eachother at last years?

[digital helm]

A lot (all?) of these 'bands' are have shirt decals too

[tulip kiln]

Wonder if any of em are references to some old bands

[digital helm]

this one has to be misfits

[tulip kiln]

This flier feels like the cabin is actually owned by some serial killer trying to lure in their next victim.

[digital helm]

Item list has been updated. I don't recommend looking if you don't want spoilers ||https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Item_list||

[proud cobalt]

Im adding icons shortly/tonight (Aus time)

[tulip kiln]

ye ill start adding some of these to their existing pages.

also a treat for u lore and location editors, the mayor of WP's name is Richard Rosenwald

[tulip kiln]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Scarlet_Oak_Distillery I put the first one in the gallery here.

[rotund echo]

God damn it, why didn't they let us loot the kegs

In the end, you get way less bourbon than what'd you expect from the distillery

[languid kayak]

I updated https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Project_Zomboid_Map_Project with the source of this as well which is https://toot.berlin/@blindcoder/113672494099231294 – I think we may add it to the site notice as well, so the editors will know they can't rely on map till then

[tulip kiln]

I'ma take a break for a bit, but here's the pages where I added the new flyers to the galleries.

[languid kayak]

I think Vail set up the notice, which I'm grateful as yesterday I only checked the build quickly 😄 Today I updated the versions.

[languid kayak]

I'll be checking the changes, just not sure when, but you found the folder with them right?

[tulip kiln]

Yep, Media > Textures > PrintMedia > FlyerPics

[languid kayak]

heck, even I played it instead of editing the wiki, and that means something 😄

[languid kayak]

they complaied about the 2x tiles too, and each new build for the matter.

[rotund echo]

Now, we need to complain about muscle strain, quick, quick!

And yeah, it is a huge update after all

We all gotta play it

[languid kayak]

I wonder how it'll look like with endgame with maxed chracter, though not sure how many folks will get that far, but the game's designed about end game.

I'd love for the trait system to be remvaped at one point though (which I think it may come, as we only had minor changes to the names and points and minor effects added for some perks), as right now there's so many skills, would be nice to create a fighter class at expense of crafting skills.

[languid kayak]

I think it changes with skills too

[languid kayak]

There's new channels that are reference too. and AMZ steelworks.

[rotund echo]

I was told that weapon skill alleviates the muscle strain thing

Honestly I'm also having trouble adjusting from SOTO mod too hahaha

Haven't played vanilla trait system for long

[languid kayak]

We also have a system so till b42 is unstable, the old edits should point to the last version before b42 system, the oldid.

[lime kettle]

I did a writeup.

[languid kayak]

They should be more or less updated by script, but can update the old id of pages manually too, we just won't be updating the 41.78.16 versions anymore, really, but they can still be viewed.

[lime kettle]

#pz_b42_chat message

[languid kayak]

and yet we're still not 100% prepared 😄

[languid kayak]

play splitscreen 😛

[karmic fern]

Hey all, I just stopped by from Reddit, I'd be game to help edit the wiki, let me know where to go or who to talk to. Skillset: copy editor, graphic designer, video editor, and of course, great enjoyer of PZ.

[languid kayak]

some are still b41 though; might just change it so it won't say "autogenerarted" I guess?

[languid kayak]

I was actually surprised how Rosewood's populated compared to Muld residences

otoh usually quiet Rusty Rifle was crowded

[rotund echo]

Need to try Muldraugh

[languid kayak]

kinda how we got used to no multi hit

[languid kayak]

All these are new thisrt decals too

ah, noticed Vail said it too 😄

[languid kayak]

oh nice to know!

WE should update his outfit with the hair and skin color now too

[digital helm]

The thing I was unsure about with bombs was the sensor tiers. Were we happy to combine them or best to split?
Looks like this is answered. Bombs with sensors are renamed short, medium and long range. So I'll get around to splitting them, unless someone else does first

[languid kayak]

yeah, I was catching on all the messages gfrom yeterday, seems Calvy added the muscle strain mechanics om the health pages, based on the observations by angel

[rotund echo]

Kill 5 zombies with a baseball bat

Already sore

Fuck

[languid kayak]

yeah, thank you 😄 I'll compare if Calvy didn't miss anything, but at first glance what we have on wiki looks good 🙂

[rotund echo]

Do they just not want us to fight zombies anymore

[languid kayak]

I kinda don't like vanilla trait system boosting skills, but it's the one I always played with 😄

[rotund echo]

Yeah honestly with how fast you get muscle strained, in Apocalypse mode, it's obscene

But I do like the fliers and the voice acting though

[proud cobalt]

Ok almost all icons uploaded now, can be seen in action on the item list. I didn't end up overwriting any afaik. Missing lots that contain CamoTree, not sure whats going on there

I think theres just a good few items still missing icons

Oh and missing movables ofc

Working on generated articles now

[languid kayak]

I think I already said it somewhere, but I got a feeling that the occupations and traits may be reworked someday too. So far we got the new moodles but traits only saw minor renames and point balances. Some icons seem to still be placeholders.

Tehe trait rebalance was originally scheduled for b41 but it never happened, so it was postponed, not sure if what we got in b42 is everything tbh

[tulip kiln]

Nah, loads of stuff, lots of the crafting is set to come later in unstable.

[languid kayak]

I have a feeling it might be ??? 😄

But yeah, their priorities would be addressing stuff that's in the known issues section of this patch, then basically trying to wire what's from the thursdoids they had to cut for first testing. And MP obviously.

[lucid junco]

@languid kayak @proud cobalt (and others)
Can I ask any one to temporarily compile the current map if you can?

[proud cobalt]

What do you mean?

Like with the tool?

It doesn't work, i've already tried

[digital helm]

Looks great!

[lucid junco]

Yeah, the current pz map is obviously not up to date, but I still want to be able to upload new locations

[proud cobalt]

Yeah cant be done, the main factor stopping pzmap from updating is the tool is broken in B42

[lucid junco]

Oh shi

Then how do we upload images

[languid kayak]

yeah, what Calvy said. You can try loading the map in TileZed if it works, anyone tried?

[digital helm]

Just in-game screenshots for now 😕

[languid kayak]

if not, it's just debug

[lucid junco]

That brings me the one that should not be named images flashback

[proud cobalt]

CFF the lead contributor is quite active. The last updates to the tool were 2 months ago. Hopefully they can figure out a solution. It fails to read the new map files, i imagine due to the underground layers. Hopefull fixed soon, then blindcoder can get it going at some point

[languid kayak]

tilezed can be used for browsing, but the actual images would have to be either
a) debug (lighting may be different)
b) waiting for January for tooling

[proud cobalt]

At least do them during the day with zombie spawns off

[lucid junco]

Nahh

Day 800

When they are overgrown

Lack doors and broken windows

[proud cobalt]

Midnight, broken windows, foggy

Power out

[lucid junco]

Only the Best quality for wiki readers

[languid kayak]

yeah, they irked me too. I go get that any screenshot's better than none, but yeah

[lucid junco]

Still not back to my pc yet

And I will probably start my contributions by aligning and uploading new and old signs

Also, we can still upload map coords

Since there is a command to show coords in an ingame map

[proud cobalt]

The coords also still line up with the online map, i checked that earlier

They'll just be in the forest on the 41 map

[lucid junco]

Or oob(maybe)

[tulip kiln]

Guys, ye are famous now.

[proud cobalt]

😉

[tulip kiln]

New official PZ lore canon right there

[lucid junco]

https://tenor.com/view/leonardo-dicaprio-gif-18906611

[digital helm]

Not sure what's happening with this CamoTree business. It seems every icon ending in CamoGreen is CamoTree in the scripts. I thought maybe there was a replace all incident, but the icons work fine in-game.
I might just add a check for the CamoTree suffix and change it to CamoGreen, at least for now

[proud cobalt]

Oh there was something else. let me find it to remember

[proud cobalt]

Base.OmeletteRecipeForged having File:Item FryingPan Forged Eggs.png instead of File:FryingPan_Forged_Eggs

[digital helm]

That one is a mistake. No icon in-game

[proud cobalt]

I've added a note to the crafting template, as parts of the pages are starting to get updated.

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Axe#Crafting

In case the page version gets updated. The note can be removed when recipes are updated

[tulip kiln]

lmao oh my god I love this one even more now, I didn't notice where the club is hosted. It's hosted in a strip club. So it probably implies that guns are no longer allowed there because one of the guys at the club got drunk, tried to impress a stripper and ended up accidentally shooting somebody.

leading to guns no longer being allowed inside.

[proud cobalt]

Ever wanted to see a sea of red @digital helm?
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Item_tag

[tulip kiln]

Ah, just like early 41. The nostalgia.

[digital helm]

We did what we could 😄

[digital helm]

Figured it out. The missing icons aren't in texturepacks, they're in textures, as PNGs

[proud cobalt]

We got there in the end. And by the end i mean this year. In a frantic panic that B42 was weeks away

[digital helm]

Still less than 24 hours 😎

[tulip kiln]

lmao guys they added a fucking Rat King to the game

[proud cobalt]

The uploader script is not as ready as i thought, panic updating

Works perfectly for language pages, just not English ones

[proud cobalt]

Thats one of the images of all time

[digital helm]

That's weird

[tulip kiln]

ya actually a rare phenomenon irl, not pleasant.

[proud cobalt]

Holy shit its a real thing why did i look that up

[rotund echo]

Could be something sticky binding them together, like sap or gum

Or even just hair and their own tails tangling with each other

Same thing can also happen to squirrels apparently, they call em "squirrel king" as you can imagine

[proud cobalt]

Creative

[proud cobalt]

Nothing like a little setback

[lusty mantle]

Don’t know if anyone remembers who I am in here anymore, but just wanted to say I was checking out the wiki recently and it’s really bloody cool how far it’s come since my days and even bloody cooler that contributors are getting some love in the official credits. Really amazing work everyone!

[proud cobalt]

Hello Connall! I never met you but your influence is still felt on the wiki. You're also in our recently created PZwiki history page (wip). Feel free to add anything you'd like.
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:History#Admins_and_staff

[digital helm]

Hello 😄

Been a lot of great and talented people over the years!

[lucid junco]

B42 makes me feel like we have to urgently update everything on the wiki

[digital helm]

You have until the end of the day

[proud cobalt]

4 Minutes! I'm doing my best boss

[rotund echo]

Take your time and play the game

[lucid junco]

Will I get a pay for that

[rotund echo]

(never)

[digital helm]

with appreciation?

[lucid junco]

Like twice of I usually get

(0x2=0)

Can we ask tis devs to make a energy drinks program to all major wiki contributors

[digital helm]

That'd be nice. Then we can work non-stop, no excuses

@proud cobalt I've added the missing icons. Should just be the tiles now

[proud cobalt]

Yep just saw, ty

[lusty mantle]

Wow, that’s a real blast from the past with some of those usernames. I probably have some memories of a lot of internal discussions from the past, but imagine it’s not very interesting history. Oh the old dramas, how I don’t miss those.

[lusty mantle]

Very cool to see you’re still kicking about!

[tulip kiln]

Seriously, most of these flyers feel like the devs taking the piss that we can't afford a house ):

[proud cobalt]

Ok generated pages will be going up from now. There will very likely be double ups. It's inevitable

If you see any problems, please ping me

The first of B42 😄
https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Carton_of_.223_Rounds&oldid=679345

[digital helm]

Bit of a break around the time you left, but I'm here until the end now 😄

[tulip kiln]

Jesus christ what a deal, 20 bucks a month for storage space?

[proud cobalt]

Only 2,300 to go

[tulip kiln]

Oh yeah btw guys, that hardware store in WP that you can't see the name of? This flyer confirms it as being called West Point DIY

[lucid junco]

If it was current time, only the garage rent would be this much

[lucid junco]

Alrighty then, it still has a page thankfully

Can you tell me if there is a general store flyer

Specifically the green unnamed general store chain

[dire dock]

20usd in the 90s is crazy

[rotund echo]

No way it's one of my favorite base locations

[tulip kiln]

For the one in WP? Nah not seeing anything for a general store chain

[lucid junco]

Nah, the one that is in Riverside, fallas lake and somewhere else

[tulip kiln]

yeah still nothing

[digital helm]

The first model too https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Carton_of_.223_Rounds

[tulip kiln]

The first B42 wiki image.

[lucid junco]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/General_store_(Fallas_Lake)
(This one)

[tulip kiln]

Yeah nah nothing, there's not really many flyer images rn tbh

Most of em are just house sale ones.

[lucid junco]

Yeah, they were the most teased ones though

[tulip kiln]

Maybe they could be brochures? Those seem to be a thing but they're under a different folder that I'm unable to find rn

I'm just using the FlyerPics folder currently

[lucid junco]

Would be worth spawning them in game

[proud cobalt]

🎉

[jolly crow]

It's 1995, man.

[tulip kiln]

akhually its 93

[proud cobalt]

As it's just past midnight here, i just want to say congrats everyone. We made it through the first day and have made great progress. This is what we all prepared for

[tulip kiln]

Also this flyer gives us more info on that abandoned factory town. The factory seems to have shut-down in 1980 and residents most likely moved away not long after.

[lucid junco]

Its also officially a bradenburg outskirt

We've previously argued which part of outskirt would it be

[tulip kiln]

Welp that solves 3 issues then.

We now know when the factory was established, when it shut down and it's location.

[lucid junco]

And abandoned town location

[jolly crow]

So, do we know where all the flyers and newspapers exist in the game's files?

[lucid junco]

Probably in media

[tulip kiln]

Media > Textures > PrintMedia

You can find the Flyers in FlyerPics there.

There's also newspaper images, but that's only for the newspaper artwork, it doesn't show the newspaper themselves.

so I dunno where those are.

[lucid junco]

Probably translation folder

Weve complained that there would be no way to translate them if they were hardcoded

While flyers would still require designer to translate, at least the text on newspapers is translatable

[lucid junco]

Are there ads in the newspapers?

[thin cloud]

The only non-facing camera sign flyer

[lucid junco]

Can I ask if the ungodly pricing is canon or just a mistake or something

Why is it so bad

Though still less bad than the current prices..

[thin cloud]

Which

It's accurate enough for 1993

Newspapers are done using the in-game system, flyers are actual static images

[lucid junco]

Yeah, though so

[tulip kiln]

Nah not really, just the main front page story and a few others

[thin cloud]

Don't be ungrateful

Does the Mona Lisa have ads

[tulip kiln]

Besides, this is better than any ad. Bolton Jupiter, literally the luckiest resident of Knox Country. Escapes the painful fate of turning into a zombie by dying during a hotdog eating contest days prior.

[lucid junco]

Maybe the magazines will have more ads

[echo herald]

There's a very convenient folder with all the flyer stuff

ProjectZomboid\media\textures\printMedia\FlyerPics

[lucid junco]

There is a very inconvenient fact that im not at my pc

[tulip kiln]

ye we know we've already checked it

[lucid junco]

But still very curious

[echo herald]

That is indeed a pickle

[lucid junco]

Why do project deadlines have to be at the end of December

[echo herald]

Deadlines are a social construct

Abolish them

[lucid junco]

Can tis call my university and ask to remove all my loans

B42 is much more important

[serene sage]

since books and magazines are literally only titles should they just be in like a large table in the books article?

seems pretty stupid to have individual articles

[proud cobalt]

Oh yeah this was discussed before the embargo was lifted

Each ID will have its own page, with the titles listed in a table of some sort

[serene sage]

makes sense

[serene sage]

wait there was an embargo?

[proud cobalt]

Same embargo as media

So Book_Science will be its own page, with a list of titles, and also redirects of those titles to the page

[serene sage]

I see

simple enough

will probably not get around to it today though

or tomorrow

or the day after that...

b42 too distracting

[proud cobalt]

No issues, its a very busy time for a lot of people. It was a surprise for all of us

[jolly crow]

Does anyone know where the Spawn Selection map is in the files? I just want to take it and look at all the little details.

[proud cobalt]

media\maps\Muldraugh, KY\worldmap.png

[proud cobalt]

^

[rotund echo]

Man, that's my house!!!

[jolly crow]

Someone should legit take that map and print it onto a table sheet. Like, having a full scale version of this map is the kind of thing people would get in a video game's collector's edition.

[jolly crow]

A little weird the floor plans don't include staircases :s

[proud cobalt]

That's a sick idea

[rotund echo]

My house became a part of a flyer??

Honestly, the place is a sick base location

[proud cobalt]

Alright its mainly the books left to move for name changes

Almost 6000 actions for me today so might be bed time

[proud cobalt]

Changed my mind and finished the item name changes

[mild sierra]

Hey, I’m the guy who put up a lot of the historical builds on Reddit a while back, just saw the post you’d made.

… Thought I’d mention your archive.org link is down :)

[rough trout]

Anyone know how to enable damage numbers in debug mode, or know of a mod for it that works for 42?

Testing affects of muscle fatigue

it's pretty interesting so far

[glossy pivot]

has anyone gotten the transcript for the new radio stations aswell as tv station

also who changes the wiki because I can try to convert the transcript into the format for the wiki if they like me to? ( really don't know how this channel exactly works)

[serene sage]

hi I'm the current main guy for the lore parts of the wiki

[serene sage]

the articles to host the transcripts aren't made yet so there isn't a place to put them right now

you can certainly go ahead though, I'll be working on the radio and tv station pages once I stop myself from playing any more b42

[digital helm]

I have a tool to automate it. I'll run it tonight (AU time) and upload to the wiki

[digital helm]

Anyone is free to edit the wiki 🙂 here's a guide https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Help:Style_guide but any issues anyone can fix

[glossy pivot]

lol me to I been having fun wandering and looking at the towns

[languid kayak]

So spaces are actually recognized differently than _ in the game? Interesting

[languid kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/the-mo-you-know-reading-rainbow-gif-11015145

(but yeah, didn't know either, but wife was surprised I didn't :D)

[languid kayak]

Connall! 😄 Glad seeing you around, of course we remember you, though I think we never had occasion to actually talk 😄

[languid kayak]

the magic

start at just
😉

[serene sage]

wow, it took me ten minutes staring at the main menu to finally see the wiki contributors mentioned

definitely no one seeing that

[languid kayak]

not that I'd like to whine but it's still the

Tomatoe SEEDS
I have marked it on wiki, seem that nobody noticed on b42 😄

Same with the concrete saying units in kg, not sure if it's incorrect, but I got a feeling US would have used imperial units?

[languid kayak]

Though you can see text for each media in-game, I didn't realize it was for translation, was thinking more of accessibility, though I guess it'd serve both I think.

[languid kayak]

yeah, I myself only had time to catch up with Discord so far, will check wiki on spare time, but I already see from bits and bobs here that there is somethng to congratulate you guys 😄

[languid kayak]

is it? I am one of the seeds of torrents just in case, can pass that along

[mild sierra]

Indeed... Looks like you got caught by Archive's new and very trigger happy copyright bot

[languid kayak]

Then there's me who watched all the credits 😄 We're actually quite high on the list

Also, they scroll when you aren't playing

[languid kayak]

That's a shame then, especially as we basically have the TIS blessing on these.

Maybe once the dust of b42 settles down, we can get something more official. By the time we assembled it the whole team was busy with build 42

[mild sierra]

Did you happen to have a list of the builds you've got at the moment? I wanted to continue my work tracking down + removing the crapped up desura protection, I was hoping to use your more up to date archive of builds for reference.

[languid kayak]

The description isn't live anymore I guess? The missing ones are here: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Project_History

[mild sierra]

No. It's been fully wiped from archive.org.

[languid kayak]

(torrent just in case)

[mild sierra]

Mine still exists, but yours is more complete?

[languid kayak]

@proud cobalt is the one assembling it, he might have the description locally

the original reddit post was here: https://www.reddit.com/r/projectzomboid/comments/1gz5wzs/presteam_versions_now_archived_and_playable/

oh and the actual builds inside are these:

faalagorn@languid kayak-pc Project Zomboid Archive]$ ls
0.1.2a.zip 0.2.0f.zip 0.2.0q.zip 2.9.9.15.zip
0.1.4a.zip 0.2.0g.zip '0.2.0r RC2.5.zip' 2.9.9.16.zip
0.1.4c.zip 0.2.0h.zip '0.2.0r RC2.zip' '2.9.9.17 (0009).zip'
0.1.5d.zip 0.2.0i.zip 2.9.7.zip 2.9.9.17.zip
0.2.0a.zip 0.2.0k.zip 2.9.8b.zip '2.9.9.6 decompiled.zip'
0.2.0b.zip 0.2.0l.zip 2.9.8.zip 'PZ CRACK.zip'
0.2.0e.zip '0.2.0q experimental combat build.zip' 2.9.9.10.zip README.txt

(file list should be kept in the torrent too)

[mild sierra]

Thanks, that's enough to resume the hunt lol.

[languid kayak]

we actually have more clues, including dead torrents I have on my list and dead links. Also one warez site that used to host (almost?) all the game versions from 0.1.2a I think up to now, seems all the old versions were by one guy. Sadly the links are gone now, but neither of us tried contacting the person in question.

If you want, I can DM you some of the details we were talking, as I'm not sure how much I can share in a public chat

[languid kayak]

oh nvm, I forgot we had the README 😄

[mild sierra]

legend

0.2.0a
0.2.0b
0.2.0e
0.2.0f (Seems to 'OutOfMemoryError')

These were the ones sourced from me. They should all work fine, but they required a very specific java version if I recall correctly.

I'll see if I've still got the java version on my main rig.

[outer elm]

Lads, is there a way to check all recipes involving an item using debug mode?
Im trying to find how you get Iron Band - Small , its used for the wooden bucket which would logically allow one to progress in blacksmithing using only rudeminatary tools but cant find zit

[mild sierra]

Did you guys find that one french website?

[languid kayak]

The funny part is that your ones were in French btw 😄 We found one version later that was in English

[mild sierra]

Yes lol! I found a lot of them on an old website which was for french pirates I believe

I sadly can't locate it anymore. They had a version of the game with RingoD's old map mod in.

[languid kayak]

Most of the obscure versions came from the popular Polish dropbox-like website, though files over 50 MB are behind a paywall lol. I think I managed to get all of the files from there though

but yeah, the ones from there often had questionable installer, which behaved borderlike trojan-like – the 0.1.2a I had to install on the virtual machine to extract the files (no other archiver worked), but then it actually carried the game.

the rest actually came from the archive.org's own servers: https://web.archive.org/web/*/https://s3.amazonaws.com/alpha.projectzomboid.com/*

Calvy reached out to the youtuber that play the first version of the game, but sadly they don't have the old builds anymore 😦 Though there may be other folks that have them on their drives.

[mild sierra]

It'd be pretty crazy if anyone did, those would be some sketchy HDDs by now at the very least

[languid kayak]

I actually went through my old backup, but what I have are only some Desura files and a save I posted

I also got a decompiled source code for RC 2.9.9.6, but sadly just the code part 😄

from asking around that is

my save was here btw: #pzwiki_editing message

[languid kayak]

Oh, forgot to reply to this too, but sadly can't help on that one, I actually didn't went to debug yet on b42 😄 Maybe folks over at#mod_support will be able to help?

[lusty mantle]

I feel like our paths crossed a few times, though my memory is shoddy. Good to see you’re still around as well!

[frosty urchin]

[digital helm]

I haven't looked into it too much, but in the debug menu there's a menu for looking up scripts then I think another for crafting recipes. Try there?
Otherwise you can look in the scripts folder and search for the item id of the item you're looking for.

Crafting is something that will take some time on the wiki as we don't yet have a way of automating it

[digital helm]

Most likely from your bug tracker and GitHub translations tbh 😄

[proud cobalt]

Oh what a pain! That took so long to upload thanks for letting us know

[mild sierra]

Yeah. Sorry it happened to you guys :(

[mild sierra]

This is really interesting, though.

Looks like 0.2.0b does work, it's just still desura protected (I can remove that for you like I did the others)

The Linux/Mac versions here are RC3?

[languid kayak]

there was no RC 3, in fact, the build naming is still technically based off RC 2.9.9.17 naming scheme 😄

[mild sierra]

I promise you