pzwiki_editing

[languid kayak]

nah, it was after that IIRC

[proud cobalt]

Ok i'm going to start the bot updating distribution tables now, and in the morning im going to do the scary part and start uploading the polish pages. If anything needs to change regarding them leave me a ping for the morning

[languid kayak]

@robust latch I noticed you created those three pages:

• https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Annotated_Map_(Brandenburg)
• https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Annotated_Map_(Ekron)
• https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Annotated_Map_(Irvington)
  for this task https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=PZwiki:Project_Lore&curid=40389&diff=463569&oldid=463553

But I've been thinking as it'll be placeholder, pernamently in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Stub_articles till b42 drops and unfinished till then 🤔

And are we sure all three cities will have annoated maps? Was it teased somewhere on the blog?

[robust latch]

I mean surely if Rosewood have 5 annotated maps they will also have multiple annotated maps. Its %99 to me. I dont see a problem having them staying there for the time being, knowing they will start recieving attention once b42 drops

[languid kayak]

maybe remove the stub and add future for it?

I think it may be wise, there's not much more we can do till then and it'll still be easy to found by looking at https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Future_features

I think I'll go with it, at worst if the Ekron, Brandenburg and Irvington won't get maps, at least in the initial stage, we'll just remove the page. Or maybe we could get at least hint if they are planned, but not sure if any PZ dev will shed some light to it 😄

[digital helm]

Future is good. Stub should probably be reserved for pages that have little info but can be expanded.

[languid kayak]

@serene sage what's the drawbacks of not using Gallery in here? https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Annotated_Map_(West_Point)&curid=50871&diff=459747&oldid=459745

We currently have a mix of <gallery> and this in the annotated map pages 🤔

[languid kayak]

I think it was the size of the images? Though they are to be clicked anyway I guess, we had a brief talk with Vail, and for now I'll switch back to gallery uniformly for those pages, hope you don't mind 🙂

[naive imp]

Tbh Louisville is a mess and I still haven't figured it out completely yet

I was going to focus on getting the individual pages updated first and go back to the town itself like I did with the others

Because imo the individual pages are more important but I'm happy to hear everyone else's thoughts on the matter

[languid kayak]

yeah, the LV is hard to grasp

[languid kayak]

Following the discussion in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Talk:Berries and the subsequent page update, I think the stop-gap in splitting the berries page would be at least splitting the blueberries and blackberries @proud cobalt?

The Poison Ivy berries could be split while at it, though they are not always poisonous.

[languid kayak]

While the project is complete at that point, I'm gonna go forward and add a few more survivors from the tutorial, most notable the Jane Doe from https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Tutorial&curid=343&diff=447769&oldid=431573

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Jane_Doe

She had a father, mother, sister and brother IIRC, they would all have outfits from the tutorial

[robust latch]

Sure Jane Doe having an article seems sane but her family doesn't warrant an article imo, but instead a mention in her page perhaps.

[languid kayak]

on one hand I agree, on the other hand they probably have an outfit defined, which will warrant a page from the technical side 🤔

But OTOH we don't have pages for most of the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Outfit_images 😄

[robust latch]

The drawback is that images are looking way worse and small inside gallery, I think Mid's approach is better Faalagorn

[robust latch]

I think their outfits can be written inside Jane Doe article in a section called "Outfits" or sometyhing.

Or just mentioning them in overview and then puıtting their outfits in gallery?

[languid kayak]

Well, that's one issue indeed. Though keep in mind your placeholder used <gallery> too. Can wait until @digital helm will have a time to take a look, as he thought using gallery would be a better approach.

At that point, I'd evaluate two approaches

• can we override gallery's behaviour
• are the div's and li' the best approach?

Either way, we could get both automatically converted using bot, or if not, it's not that much to do by hand too now that they're all unified.

[languid kayak]

That could work too

[robust latch]

I didn't notice a problem with div-li usage, if there are I am open to hear them

[languid kayak]

btw, some small insignificant work in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Outfit_images would be removing the arrows and moving file names to avoid the O in the beginning 😛 (and maybe making sure there's no more outfits to be uploaded)

[robust latch]

(If only we had a file enthusiast)

[languid kayak]

Sometimes when I take a look how non-English pages are outdated https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Car_Battery_Charger vs https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Car_Battery_Charger/ru (I just added header to it)

weight is wrong
links are wrong
Not to mention no model and other things

or things like https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Common_Mallow/fr (I just added header to it too, settling https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:UncategorizedPages that's how I find those)

or https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Crafted_Chair/ja

[robust latch]

Yeah and it can be daunting for new translators, too much mess

Probably the best thing for them to do would be to create and translate new pages (ignoring bad articles until they feel confident to start tackling at them), because often its harder to fix other's pages; be it wiki formatting or translation errors

[languid kayak]

Well, Calvy's new page may be of help, the core skeleton is created and more-or-less translated based on the game files, but the corrections can be made

btw, I created/expanded these trio now:

• https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Fear
• https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Morale
• https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Sanity

If anyone has something to add, please do so

[languid kayak]

pinging @digital helm for that but we kinda currently use the same nomenclature for https://pzwiki.net/wiki/NPC as https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:AI

With the old "NPCs" being generatelly revamped into https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Survivor

Do we want to change NPC to AI and redirect NPC to Survivor?

[languid kayak]

We have some accomplishment by the way, the following categories are all empty right now 🎉 :

• https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:UncategorizedTemplates
• https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:UncategorizedCategories
• https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:UncategorizedFiles
• https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:UncategorizedPages
• https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:BrokenRedirects
• https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:DoubleRedirects
• https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:WantedTemplates
• https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:WantedFiles
  🥳

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:WantedCategories is the possible next target though https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:WantedPages is realistically not possible unless we change the way translation are made (as it currently request all the pages to be translated to all supported languages (!)

[robust latch]

Noice

Yeah wanted pages is impossible

[digital helm]

Should be able to use the widths parameter in the gallery tag. <gallery widths=200px>

[digital helm]

I don't think that's a bad idea. 'NPC' you think of just being the 'Survivor' NPC.

[digital helm]

I don't think WantedPages is something we should worry about. I wonder if the translate extension has a solution of this

[proud cobalt]

Berries is still to be split, have been working on recipe ingredients as my first big split

[proud cobalt]

Header is something Vail and I talked about recently when i was fixing some infoboxes. It's on the radar to be fixed

[proud cobalt]

So what iw as thinking, is the bot wont override under any circumstances, but if we want to mark these pages somehow i can replace them with the generated pages?

[proud cobalt]

Well we will have all these item pages soon...

Its from the navboxes

[serene sage]

using <gallery> made the images really small and generally looked a bit worse than without it

I think it is just some predefined outfits for any "church" zone

no survivor story really involves any wedding

[serene sage]

it seems that probably I just forgot to change some of the templates when editing the article, I'll get around to it probably the day after tomorrow

just kind of commited to touching grass tomorrow

[proud cobalt]

Can you not search language pages by display name?

That sucks

so should i make redirects based on language display name to a language article?

For searchability

[digital helm]

That's annoying. So redirects are a necessity then

[proud cobalt]

Yeah seems that way

[proud cobalt]

Watching the Polish navbox fill in is very satisfying

[languid kayak]

That's a good idea, as long as we mark list them so we can cherry-pick the translations from the oldids.

for Turkish there's Ksilem to verify (most Turkish pages are up to date), for Polish I can verify, for the rest we have some editors popping from time to time, if not we could just figure out what part belong here thanks to machine translations.

[proud cobalt]

What do we think of this?

The basic idea is to generate automatically translated articles so users in other languages can search and understand the data in their own language. We're currently testing this with polish, and you can find an example here:
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Ball-peen_Hammer/pl

But it can't all be done automatically. There's some translations we need help with. That's where I'm hoping some people here can help.

For starters TIS haven't updated the translated in quite some time, so if you have a more updated version of your language, as a link or zip file that would be a great help.

Secondly, there's some templates we use on the wiki that require translating. If you're able to help, I've attached a file with instructions on how to help translate. Once done send it back to me with a ping or directly.

The main languages we are looking for next (in no order) are:
German
French
Spanish
Russian

Then we're interested in:
Italian
Ukranian
Brazilian-Portuguese
Portuguese

We may also be interested in other languages as time goes on, or any other popular languages that I have missed. Please let me know if you are interested.```

[languid kayak]

What about <gallery widths=200px> instead? Can be higher too. The difference is the border around, but the syntax is much easier to update, and it uses MediaWiki's gallery making the images aligned.

<gallery widths=200px>
File:WpStashMap1House.png|The house as seen from outside
File:WpStashMap1Stash.png|The player finding a stash in a bathroom
</gallery>

vs

<div><ul>
<li style="display: inline-block;">[[File:WpStashMap1House.png|thumb|200px|The house as seen from outside]]</li>
<li style="display: inline-block;">[[File:WpStashMap1Stash.png|thumb|200px|The player finding a stash in a bathroom]]</li>
</ul></div>

[proud cobalt]

Regarding redirects, how do we want to do it? For the majority of items, the display name will be enough, but there are some items that use the same display name as they haven't had descriptors added manually by editors. originally I was going to use the display name for the redirect, can always do that for now, accept that some wont have redirects, and revisit another day?

[languid kayak]

if display name is the same as the page name, then skip. It will pop up as a second result when searched for the same item anyway

[proud cobalt]

Example:
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Burrito_(crafted)/pl
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Burrito/pl

[languid kayak]

I guess ideally it would show the language name instead of /xx but guess people will figure out anyway

(I just realized pop is a bad example as they actually have displaytitles lol)

I wonder if there's a way so the actual display titles and not the page names shows 🤔

[proud cobalt]

If the displayname would be searchable somehow, that would avoid redirects

[languid kayak]

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Display_Title – we have it installed, it can be configured or disabled so we fall back to plain display title magic word. Also not sure how thing will change with the new MediaWiki and Citizen skin

[proud cobalt]

I think we still use it in template Title right?

[languid kayak]

yup

[proud cobalt]

Ok for now ill only make redirects for unique display names, until we have a solution

[languid kayak]

ah, I just realized you probably missed this one @lucid junco? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Beever's_live_music_sign_logo.png

[proud cobalt]

Ok redirects started

Also not just doing pl redirects

[digital helm]

Doesn't seem to be much we can do about it. Looking at MediaWiki, they don't even redirect non-English page names, and they're not searchable. With the translate bundle it does add the language bar (which we used to have), and your chosen language in preferences will be in bold.
#pzwiki_editing message I think this may be the best we can do with what we have, and currently plan to have

[quasi thunder]

Heey! How is pzwiki? Has something changed?

[languid kayak]

things are constantly changed 😄 There will be a monthly summary shortlly, I'm slowly finishing writing it so stay tuned 🙂

[languid kayak]

btw, you're Did_Falco on wiki, right?

[quasi thunder]

Yeah, but how did you realize that? Did you just check who edited the articles?

[languid kayak]

yeah, you've been the only contributor for Ukrainian this month 😄

[quasi thunder]

Ahahahahha

https://tenor.com/view/clash-royale-skeleton-crying-tears-puddle-gif-7948217581825276854

[languid kayak]

And I do patrol all the recent changes as an admin and correct when things need that

We actually had discussion with Vail yesterday that we think the template titles probably shouldn't be translated – you couldn't have know that though, as we never discussed it and placed it to the style guide 😄

[quasi thunder]

Hm🤔

[languid kayak]

So for things like https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Navbox_stats/uk or https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Navbox_items/uk due to how the wiki is set up you still has to type {{Navbox stats/uk}} and {{Navbox items/uk}} for them to work.

[quasi thunder]

What role does it play?

[proud cobalt]

Yeah i suppose we're doing better than nothing than. Crazy they dont make display names searchable 🤔

It seems obvious...

[quasi thunder]

Should I fix it now?

[languid kayak]

while the {{Navbox статистика}} or {{Navbox предмети}} won't work. We generally don't translate the Category: prefix so the Template: would probably won't be translated either. Somewhere down the line we might find a way the translations from mediawiki for the names to show up, but no ETA on that.

[quasi thunder]

Yes!

[languid kayak]

What do you mean? Vail's role or the meaning of not translating the template names?

[proud cobalt]

Only really for navboxes these days right?

[languid kayak]

you can but I'll probably change that down the road and add it to the style guide so it's clear 😄

[quasi thunder]

You have already answered my question)

[digital helm]

changing the display name isn't normal functionality though, it's from the display name extension. I guess changing the search functionality isn't within their scope

[proud cobalt]

Yeah thats fair too

Very English centric

[quasi thunder]

Well, I removed the translation.

[languid kayak]

the DISPLAYTITLE is a built-in mediawiki functionality though, the extension only improves on it

That's why it behaves different for us than on the other wikis, e.g., in the other wikis the DISPLAYTITLE isn't shown when linked to page directly.

I didn't take a look at configuration, but it'd be something Kirrus would have to touch anyway

[digital helm]

The translate extension seems to have a fix for this. The page name can be translated directly, rather than using DISPLAYTITLE. It's a case of entering translate mode, and clicking the heading and typing what it should be (unsure how this will work for naming redirects)

[digital helm]

Yeah, but you can't change the text with it on default mediawiki. The extension allows you to change it. Default functionality is only styling, e.g. italics

[languid kayak]

text as in page name? I think you can.

[digital helm]

Is that new?

[languid kayak]

https://cyberpunk.fandom.com/wiki/Special:Version doesn't have it installed yet it changes page's names, see https://cyberpunk.fandom.com/wiki/Crystal_Palace_-_striptease_-_playlist?veaction=editsource for example

[digital helm]

Seems it was probably disabled then? I'm sure this was the reason we got the extension in the first place 🤔 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgAllowDisplayTitle

Maybe I read some wikipedia documentation, as I don't think you can there. Looks like you're right though.

[languid kayak]

Okay <@&1205891296565268520> a quiet but not-so-quite month, here's the wiki summary from August 2024! Stay tuned from an update from @naive imp down the line as well, where it comes to the ever-active locations project! 🎉 https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:News#August_2024_summary

[languid kayak]

I think it's #translations question and probably after build 42 🙂

[urban ridge]

https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/ltr-rtl/dihficgdollilpfaliclpihepalmdgbb?pli=1

[sudden smelt]

oh sorry, wrong chat <3

[quasi thunder]

Now I understand why you were asking if I was Did Falco)
After I finish (or almost finish) my modpack, I'll continue translating articles.

[frail fossil]

@digital prairie

hey

[lucid junco]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Louisville_terminal_substation
@languid kayak
So, this isn't actually LV substation?

[languid kayak]

I'd say it's a LV substation, as it provides power to LV, but it's not located in LV physically?

I think we should remove the automatic page type detection for non-English pages, these are not translated and even if they would, they wouldn't be declinated anyway so it would be hard to have a gramatically correct sentence 🤔

[proud cobalt]

I agree. @digital helm?

[languid kayak]

It's not an item 😄 https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Bare_Hands/pl but it's an only case

[digital helm]

The namespace detection? They're translated in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Page_ns

[proud cobalt]

Oh probably missing that translation

[languid kayak]

not ideal, but butter indeed, thanks!

[languid kayak]

maybe back then it wasn't the case?

[digital helm]

Dunno. But it's the case now

[languid kayak]

I gotta translate the headers in the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Navbox_items/pl but it seems some cyrylic letter made to it? Were you modying non-English template for that @proud cobalt ?

[proud cobalt]

Yeah i copied it from /fr and replaced /fr with /pl idk how cyrilic got into it 😆

[languid kayak]

even funnier then 😄

https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=User:Calvy/sandbox2&curid=37423&diff=471925&oldid=471923 – not sure why, but it seems that DaysTotallyRotten = 14, was removed and not sure where proteins come from? Unless code's wrong?

item Zucchini
    {
        DisplayName = Zucchini,
        DisplayCategory = Food,
        Type = Food,
        Weight = 0.3,
        Icon = Zucchini,
        EvolvedRecipe = Pizza:10;Soup:10;Stew:10;Pie:10;Stir fry Griddle Pan:10;Stir fry:10;Salad:10;Roasted Vegetables:10;RicePot:10;RicePan:10;PastaPot:10;PastaPan:10;Sandwich:5;Sandwich Baguette:5;Omelette:5,
        FoodType = Vegetables,
        DaysFresh = 6,
        DaysTotallyRotten = 14,
        HungerChange = -10,
        ThirstChange = -10,
        Calories = 33,
        Carbohydrates = 6.10,
        Lipids = 0.63
        StaticModel = CylinderFood_Green,
        WorldStaticModel = Zucchini_Ground,   
    }

(mind is a sandbox) @proud cobalt

btw, minor nit would be {{location table → {{Location table in https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=D-E_Magazine&curid=38705&diff=471929&oldid=465745

made a PR https://github.com/Vaileasys/pz-wiki_parser/pull/13

[proud cobalt]

This is me intentionally ruining the article to test if the updater bot will fix it after i update it for the new language pages 😄

[lucid junco]

It isn't connected to lv at all

Not by physically being in the LV border, or having, you know, power cables to lv

[languid kayak]

Maybe it isn't a LV powerstation then?

indeed

Well the page states that

It is assumed that this substation supplies power to the city of Louisville from an off-map source, consisting mainly of wires and non-functional electrical equipment tiles. There is little useful loot at this location. However, it could serve as a secure remote base.
But maybe it's not accurate indeed 🤔

Maybe it should just be called substation then?

we piggiebacked on what was written by https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/DanniDaBoi over a year ago and never questioned that 😄

I guess you'll want to translate that @robust latch https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Fossoil%2Ftr&type=revision&diff=472049&oldid=459917

I think this should be renamed to Gas-2-Go following what Pat said some time ago about logos btw? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Gas_2_Go

it's the same on decal: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Buisness_Gas2GoDECAL.png

[robust latch]

Thanks for adding them to Turkish aswell

[languid kayak]

I added more decals btw, but just to English pages

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Decals

[torpid finch]

Do I have the pzwiki editing role or something? I got pinged by this channel but I don't recall ever giving myself that role

[languid kayak]

you actually don't, it's Wiki Editor role and ut can be chosen in #frequentlyasked – unless you had it previously?

[torpid finch]

I removed it after the ping but I don't recall ever giving myself the role. I honestly hardly play PZ, let alone use the wiki for anything.

Not a big deal, I over-reacted a bit at the ping is all, I removed the role and it won't happen anymore

[languid kayak]

ah, if you removed it, then you won't get pings anymore. Must've been there before or it was assigned to you after joining

@proud cobalt it seems that the casing for title got screwed https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Trapping_Vol._1/pl – should be I instead of i (same for other pages like that)

There are some template loops and icon is wrong

[languid kayak]

I'm a little lazy/tired as it's time consuming, but on my quest to getting https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Pages_requested_for_deletion cleared I did improvements to https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Fuel page, mostly changing animated gifs/pngs https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Fuel&type=revision&diff=474001&oldid=392991

If you are up for the task updating the Turkish @robust latch and Ukrainian @quasi thunder versions to not use the animations but instead use the class="cycle-img" as English one, it would allow to remove them sooner, if not I guess I'll get to it later.

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Fuel/tr
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Fuel/uk

[quasi thunder]

Yeap, okay, I'll redo it when I get home. But I didn’t understand which GIFs you mean😅...

[languid kayak]

oh, we now change animated gifs to <span class="cycle-img"> so cycle images from PNG instead. Way more convinient for us and allows to set different link to each image, see https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Vaileasys/sandbox_2 for the implementation – I am using it in place of existing animated GIFs and animated PNGs.

[quasi thunder]

Aaaa

Okay, it's cool

[quasi thunder]

Why do some articles automatically switch links to /uk, while on others I have to write it down manually?

[languid kayak]

{{ll}}, {{lcs}} and {{tls}} templates add language code automatically based on the page

[quasi thunder]

What is the difference between them?

[languid kayak]

{{tls}} is for templates, {{lcs}} just adds the matching language code while {{ll}} pulls the whole name. Actually, it's {{ll}} that's being mostly used.

see https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:ll

[languid kayak]

in the end decided to add mode="nolines" as well, now should be made similar to ul/lis, see https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Annotated_Map_(Louisville) – pinging @serene sage for that and I'll proceed with the rest

[quasi thunder]

Uhu, okay

[quasi thunder]

Where are all the others? Why is only Faalagorn in place today?

[languid kayak]

different time zones

@proud cobalt when you'll have some time, I updated images in the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Tasks#One-time_bot_tasks – there's few missed duplicated item icons we could remove and I also added all the dashboard icons as noted on the item pages including the casing and dashes as the files are named. Ideally non-English Controls and Vehicle pages would be remade based on my edits from back then, but at least the icons can be replaced till then to allow us to lighten the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Pages_requested_for_deletion a little.

I kinda hope that by the time evolved recipes are done some animations could be deleted as well :D. A different offender is https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:EvolvedRecipesForItem but it's marked for improving anyway.

Then there are those old item lists, ideally these could be remade, some are as old as pre-steam builds

[quasi thunder]

I'm done...

[languid kayak]

Thanks! Now it's just @robust latch and I can remove more things 😄

btw @proud cobalt there's something wrong with https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Vest/pl – it's not "Kamizelka kuloodporna – wojskowa", the old https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Vest is a removed item instead (not sure if we should keep it in the first place. "Kamizelka kuloodporna – wojskowa" is the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Military_Bulletproof_Vest

not sure https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Vest and https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Blouse are needed at this point

There's also https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Sweater but it's not using animations

There's also https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Trousers.gif and https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:SocksAnim.gif

Also @proud cobalt if it'd be possible to have "Binky" visible in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:PillsBetablocker_Model.png it'd make https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:PillBottle.png viable to delete, too.

( https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:PillsAntidepressant_Model.png is using the same model)

[digital helm]

You mean the model is missing? That'd be because the image isn't named the WorldStaticModel value.
I'll have to look into the template loop. I'm assuming a translation issue with the template

[digital helm]

Should we use templates for commonly used images? E.g. Mushrooms

For the image cycling I mean

[languid kayak]

I don't think it's needed? Image cycling isn't really widely used apparent.y

btw @digital helm I think this one's good to go? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:VehicleRadialMenu.gif (unused)

Also these two images are similar?
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Baldspot_and_Kate.png https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Kate_Smith.png

Do we need both? If not, which one to keep?

[digital helm]

Yeah. Outdated anyway (from an old Thursdoid/Mondoid)

[digital helm]

Should've been a reply to this

[digital helm]

They could both be used individually. The baldspot and kate would be used on a page about them both, and the Kate one would be used on a page about Kate. If we got rid of one, I'd keep the one with them both

[languid kayak]

yeah, was my thinking too (keeping the one with both of them)

[languid kayak]

btw, if it's from Thursdoid/Mondoid, then maybe it could be kept for archival reasons after all?

BTW, in case you're wondering where I got them from, I'm browsing https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:UnusedFiles before going to sleep 😄

[digital helm]

Maybe we could put it on the b39 page

Most of those old screenshots could be deleted. The ones that were on the main page

[proud cobalt]

icon isnt wrong theres just no model so it shows the ?

[proud cobalt]

Ill look into this, it should be the exact translation but seems to be using the sentence case version from the intro

[proud cobalt]

Unless you/vail added more these didnt have direct uses only in templates, let me know if that's changed

[proud cobalt]

Side effect of having removed items as english pages, thats the kind of thing that will have to be marked by editors as the bot cant know the difference. It should just be marked for deletion. The information on the page is correct for what it's meant to be, just been duplicated https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Military_Bulletproof_Vest/pl

I could add a check for obsolete, ill try remember to add that

Template loop I'm not sure about, @digital helm might have to help in that department
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Trapping_Vol._1/pl

[proud cobalt]

It probably is, i'm no good with blender let alone this being one of the first models i ever made

[proud cobalt]

Oh you already replied, thats what i get for staying up late 😄

[digital helm]

Doesn't help that the UV map is misaligned

[digital helm]

This would be a good solution for now. I looked at adding a blacklist to the parser last night, but it broke everything so I scrapped it. The parser is poorly written and not easy to modify. So may need to wait for the rewrite

[proud cobalt]

I use a blacklist for the updater, since it cant handle two pipes in one line of an infobox right now, but apparently it didnt work overnight so here i am reverting everything that broke

[digital helm]

Plenty of positives with using a bot, but also comes with your fair share of negatives

[proud cobalt]

Out of almost 90k edits ive maybe had to fix 1000

Thats not bad

[languid kayak]

We dept them as archive and kept the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Main_Page_Screenshot "just in case" though.

[languid kayak]

ah, good point. The template loop got me confused

[proud cobalt]

Fixed this both on wiki and in the parser

[languid kayak]

yeah, I added more and not all uses from the previous ones are templates

as I definitely managed to remove one without touching a template since it was linked only twice 😄

[languid kayak]

I think the case for Vest/Sweater/Trousers is that there are no "obsolete" versions of them, unlike Undewear 😩 Unless I'm mistaken

[languid kayak]

luckily it seems it didn't create redirects based on that 😄

[digital helm]

Maybe we can relook at removing this template. I wanted to keep previously so we wouldn't lose how to do it. But looking at it, it's fairly straight forward. Just use {{rand|max_number}} for a random number.
Some of the old screenshots were from the same run, so we could delete some of them

[digital helm]

@languid kayak can you translate Skill XP here: https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Template%3AInfobox_item%2Fpl&type=revision&diff=476061&oldid=459937
It's the skills parameter
The missing translation was the problem with the template loop

[proud cobalt]

Oh interesting, is that missing from the Translate copy paste in Infobox item?

[digital helm]

Nah, it was added later, just forgot to update all languages

[languid kayak]

might do that as well; less clutter and those are mostly from Steam anyway

[digital helm]

How do we feel about fixing the UV/texture like this? Calvy's original one is how it's displayed in-game, as the UV coords are reversed. Fixing it like this is much nicer for the wiki imo. @proud cobalt
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:PillsBetablocker_Model.png

[proud cobalt]

Oh is that actually how it's shown in game? That's funny. The fixed one obviously looks better

[digital helm]

Yeah, the UV got flipped, or the texture rotated 90° somehow

[proud cobalt]

Definitely replace with the fixed one

Possibly include the broken one in gallery? @languid kayak

[serene sage]

noted, very nice 👍

[languid kayak]

aThis seems nice

[languid kayak]

Is the broken one like that in-game?

or are we just exporting it wrong?

If it's wrong in-game, I don't think it needs to be in gallery? Though definitely trivia

[proud cobalt]

Vail said its wrong in game

[languid kayak]

Speaking of which, I said once that a bug template could be useful, that way we could track game bugs like typos etc

Easier to forward to developers that way to hopefully get fixed 😛

(or just recheck if are fixed with a game update)

[digital helm]

Yeah it's wrong in game, although you can only see it if you're looking for it.

[digital helm]

I think this would be good. Although we struggle enough with all the changes 😄

[tropic zinc]

Hi everyone,
I'm working on a clothing mod for Project Zomboid and I'm running into an issue. I've edited a 3D model for the mod and when I export it to FBX, the model appears in the game for a brief moment and then disappears, becoming invisible

Does anyone know why? I'm using Blender and I've tried exporting in several ways

[proud cobalt]

Try #mod_development

[proud cobalt]

Can anyone verify this? Im assuming its a troll as they also added it to another cd @languid kayak @robust latch @digital helm
https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=CD&curid=8495&diff=476123&oldid=464707
https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Freddy's_Big_Balloon&curid=48839&diff=476125&oldid=465371

[flat sun]

yes it's a troll

[proud cobalt]

Yeah thought so, Ill undo and admins can do as they see fit

[lucid junco]

Didn't you know about lingus CD

I thought everyone knew what that is

[digital helm]

Thanks

[proud cobalt]

Ok the updater script now supports language pages as we have automated language infoboxes now. Had a few bugs i think ive fixed now. Currently fixing infoboxes, and have a list of language pages without headers im going to start fixing

[digital helm]

I added item list for Polish the other day, which may also help to find issues https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Item_list/pl

[languid kayak]

Thanks! Vail dealt with them, so should be good, but thanks for letting us know 👌

[languid kayak]

done; if it's too long it can be shortened to PD umiej.

[digital helm]

Fits well https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Trapping_Vol._1/pl

I've also been thinking of reducing the font size slightly for items in the infobox. Would there be any issue if I did that?

Probably to 14px. It's currently 16px

[proud cobalt]

I think 16px is pretty standard for accessibility

[digital helm]

And it's good for the article. I think it could help with a lot of the line breaks we get

Wikipedia uses 88% for their infoboxes, which is just 14px

[proud cobalt]

So 14px in infobox and 16px in body? For wikipedia?

[digital helm]

Actually, wikipedia is a lot smaller. They use 0.875rem which is 14px. So their infobox is actually approx. 12px

14px for body*

[proud cobalt]

Is that at default in the new skin?

[digital helm]

yeah, vector22 - default

[digital helm]

wait, they changed it didn't they. I had it on small, but I don't remember changing it

[digital helm]

So I take back all of this 😄 must be 16px as default or 1rem

[proud cobalt]

I thought standard looked too large for 14px

[digital helm]

Fallout wiki uses 12px in their infobox, body is 16px. Dark Souls uses 14px, but their body is also 14px

[proud cobalt]

Also how are we feeling about the autogenerated Polish pages. Anything that needs changing going forward? Do we want to let them sit for a bit longer before trying another language? Do we want to proceed at all?

[digital helm]

I think they look great. I'm happy to proceed, but maybe wait for thoughts from @languid kayak

skill_trained in the infobox needs to be translated, which I'll do now

recipes too

[proud cobalt]

I'm at work rn, could you see which are missing from this file?

[languid kayak]

can always go for 15 px?

[languid kayak]

I'll try to take a look in a few, but so far things were fine before 🆗

[digital helm]

Only CodeBox/CodeSnip from what I can see, although I don't think they're currently translatable, so I'll get on that.
The ones I mentioned are from the infobox script

[proud cobalt]

Are the translation params in the document though?

[robust latch]

Nice observation, its a troll and needs to be perma banned on spot

[robust latch]

To this I have replied

[digital helm]

Yeah, they've been banned

[digital helm]

They are, yes

These ones

| recipes = Recipe learned
| skills = Skill XP

[proud cobalt]

OK good. Lmk how you go with CodeBox and CodeSnip translations and I'll add them to the file. Then if Faals happy I'll start asking around for translations

Oh I have to fix the Navbox too

[digital helm]

I figured that one was intentional

[proud cobalt]

The navboxes are kinda temporary right now because we can't use ll. So I'm not going to bother try getting them to translate it. I just have to fix the Cyrillic and then I'll mass replace /pl with the language code needed

[digital helm]

That'd work

[languid kayak]

Wait, anything in parricular I'd have to check since yesterday? I though there was link to check, but maybe it was just the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Trapping_Vol._1/pl @digital helm mentioned. Else I don't think there's any issues I encountered so far.

of couse I will pick something up later, but yeah 😄

I should probably do some translation of the templates so things would be translated of couse, interface should be translated, as I generally added everything Polish by the time of adding it.

Also we should go back to adding translations for Code template, since we previously didn't plan for it to be used outside of English pages.

[digital helm]

setting up right now

[languid kayak]

oh wait @proud cobalt one more nit

https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europa_Środkowa#Zobacz_też

It seems Wikipedia uses "Zobacz też" instead of "Zobacz także", though both are correct

[proud cobalt]

Nothing changed since yesterday. I made those changes to the title output already. Was just getting my updater script ready for language pages

[proud cobalt]

This stuff can be done retroactively too which is what's so much better about this way of translating. No need to fix everything to {{template/language}}

[proud cobalt]

I'm gonna need some context with this. I'm not sure what you mean

[languid kayak]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Trapping_Vol._1/pl#Zobacz_także

Different wodering for the same meaning; not sure if we want to follow Wikipedia on that?

oh wait nvm, it seems they use both anyway 😄 https://pl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?go=Przejdź&search="Zobacz+także"&title=Specjalna%3ASzukaj&ns0=1

https://pl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search="Zobacz+także"&uselang=en

455 results
https://pl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search="Zobacz+też"&uselang=en
26,156 results

[digital helm]

Translation added.
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:CodeBox#How_to_translate

{{#switch: {{{1|}}}
| code_snippet = Code snippet!
| heading_desc = This section contains source code from ''Project Zomboid''
| #default = {{Error|translation}}
}}

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:CodeSnip#How_to_translate

{{#switch: {{{1|}}}
| source = Source:
| #default = {{Error|translation}}
}}

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Retrieved#How_to_translate

{{#switch: {{{1|}}}
| retrieved = Retrieved
| build = Build
| unknown = Unknown version
| #default = {{Error|translation}}
}}

@languid kayak @robust latch these will need to be translated

[languid kayak]

"Zobacz też" is generally shorter and more to the point, both are correct.

Both mean "See also"

OTOH in Google "Zobacz także" gives more results than "Zobacz też" 😄

In the end it doesn't really matter, both would be undersood.

But a minor lean to "Zobacz też" if possible.

[proud cobalt]

Oh as the translation for see also. Yeah that's fine. I just didn't know that's what you were talking about 😄

[proud cobalt]

Awesome thanks, I'll add these to the file when I get home

[languid kayak]

yeah 😄

[digital helm]

I've also pushed some changes to translate values in the infobox: recipes, skill_trained, part_type, evolved_recipe

[languid kayak]

btw, I got to categorizing https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Item_images the other day, I know I asked before, but we still want to keep the split between all these categories? It's not something I'll be willing to maintain though, as I don't want to be thinking between what's what type 😛

We currently have all the models in one category btw: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Item_models

Anything against having https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Item_icons in one category too?

The only other split I'd have in mind would be splitting them between the different .packs they are from (or indicating that they are a loose file), that way comparing them with the game update would easier (though the amount would differ than the freshly exported ones since some are recolored during game).

[proud cobalt]

I don't think we need to split based on pack

[languid kayak]

Well, it could just make my life easier in future when extracting and uploading, but idk 🤔

[proud cobalt]

If it will make things actually easier for you I don't see an issue with it, I just mean on the user side. But I guess users don't really care for image categorisations

[languid kayak]

Yeah, it's mostly for me so far so I know what images can possible be duplicated 😄 The only actual use for users would be
a) curiosity
b) using wiki resources to creating/researching something

Although we did have one user categorizing some of the future icons in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Item_images

e.g., https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=File:Frozen_ChickenNuggets.png&diff=399983&oldid=97667

[languid kayak]

but yeah, maybe I'll go that route just for my own sanity; I think back then when I optimized everything in bulk, I missed uploading one icon https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:CannedPotatoOpen.png – at least I don't find any duplicate for it.

Afterwards setting a script to compare extracted files with the wiki ones should be doable. I think comparing them visually should doable too, graphicmagic and imagemagick have a function for it.

though I could probably just compare files extracted from 41.78.16 to 42.0 (or whatever the first public build will be) and just using meld to compare what's new 😄

[robust latch]

Sure but aren't these for Codebox? And if so why do I need to translate them since no one will be translating modding anytime soon? Did we decide to add codebox section into other language's items?

@lucid junco you think assuming this VHS https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Reverend_Quigley, referencing to https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Abandoned_settlement is a stretch? Just need some second opinions

[digital helm]

We did initially, yeah. But we decided (kind of on the fly) to keep it as it'll be automated #pzwiki_editing message

[digital helm]

Nah, that compound is in Ohio, which is a different state to where PZ is set
Appalachians in Ohio

[robust latch]

Right, fuck

[robust latch]

I think its a bit much when we already have distribution table, and the codebox's contents will still be mostly english

But going to translate of course nonetheless

[digital helm]

I'd like to hopefully have the content on the distribution tables translated eventually and linked to a roomdef page. But that probably won't be until well into b42.
The CodeBox is easy to add now, so if there's a chance that people could use it, I don't really have a problem with it

[digital helm]

I'm happy with anything that makes it easier. I'd probably prefer to chuck all icons into one category though over splitting by .pack, but if it's helpful for updating, I'm fine with that.

[robust latch]

I agree with the distro table gaining ability to retain tranlations with every update is indeed desired. Codebox is cluttersome imo.

Here we go again :P. https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Retrieved/tr

[robust latch]

Imma need to have months translatable tho, currently its in English

Or not, apparently I can just write it down and it works

[digital helm]

Date is displayed based on user preferences. Unfortunately it doesn't translate (and can't be added for you to translate), but I might be able to get it to translate with the #time parser function

[digital helm]

I do agree... but I guess it's useful for some?

[robust latch]

Templates are translated feel free to test

[digital helm]

Looks good, thanks

[languid kayak]

can do both I guess 😄 I initially wanted to just chuck then into one category too, the .pack was an afterthought right now (but may be handy)

[digital helm]

We have a couple of options with date throughout the wiki. We're currently using {{#dateformat:<date>|dmy}} with <date> being the input, and dmy being the default layout (day month year: 3 September 2024). This uses the user's preference for format, so if you have mdy as your preference it'll be September 3, 2024, but this doesn't translate the month.

For #dateformat if the input date is the wrong format, it'll display as that, so can be translated manually, or with #int ({{#int:September}})

Alternatively, we could use #time ({{#time: d F Y|<date>|{{lcs|noslash}}}}), which will translate based on the subpage name, rather than the user's language preference. Also doesn't take into account their date format preference.

Thoughts @languid kayak and others

[digital helm]

The .pack may also be harder to find the image you want unless you know what pack it's in.

[proud cobalt]

The issue is, the parameters are hard coded in English. It's inaccurate to say anything but "Closet" for the room. As it's hard coded into the map. We already use ll linking for the containers. And effective chance is a number that's used by the majority of the world.

I'm not sure how much more we can do without a trade off between accuracy and readability

[proud cobalt]

Is numbers an option?

[digital helm]

True, and I guess it would ruin it for folks that want to compare it to the map

[digital helm]

Yeah, we can use ISO 8601 2024-09-03 which is probably my preference tbh

[languid kayak]

a definition of a perfect date
😉

[robust latch]

Are Months available Bonus months Malus months solely there for foragable food in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Location_table ?

[lucid junco]

A real stretch tbh

[robust latch]

Yeah apparently even the states are different so 😄

[robust latch]

The word "financial" is just banned in wiki?

[robust latch]

I did these changes https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Template%3ALocation_table&type=revision&diff=477839&oldid=466091 but it results with yellowish colored itemname on the distribution table title (before displaying)

[robust latch]

Nevermindf

[languid kayak]

so, I guess we nuke it all (the main template + translations + screenshots?) then? Anything has something against? If not, I'll probably just do that tomorrow.

[languid kayak]

Actually, I'm thinking now; shouldn't we technically use the correct one in the infobox and put the correct one to the gallery with trivia above it to indicate what's wrong with it? As far as incorrect it is in-game, it is how it's displayed after all

So far I did it like that:
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Beta_Blockers
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Antidepressants

There are two models as well:
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:PillsBetablocker_Model.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:PillsAntidepressant_Model.png

I should probably get onto models someday too 😄

[languid kayak]

btw, are you planning to get onto it anytime soon @robust latch? If not, I can get to it eventually too

With that done, there's mostly from https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Pages_requested_for_deletion

• Table of duplicates from https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Tasks#One-time_bot_tasks which should clear the most
• Animations used in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:EvolvedRecipesForItem which I believe is due to revamp?
• Animations used in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Recipe_ingredients which is due to be replaced by https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Evolved_recipes (though non-English may take a while to update)
• https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Vest.gif https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Trousers.gif https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:ShirtAnim.gif (though maybe we'll delete the pre-b41 item pages)

This could be settled by assessing each page by hand too, though maybe automated non-English page creation will help getting rid at least some of the references evnetually: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:SocksAnim.gif

And then https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Leftsidehud.png which would require manually updating to what English verion's at

as well as https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Dashboard_4043.png but I don't change it to https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:VehicleDashboard.png straight up since numbers are different (so texts on each page would have to be adjusted)

[robust latch]

Yep did it just now https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Fuel/tr&diff=477993&oldid=394667. Also added /tr to file icons while at ti

[languid kayak]

Do we need this btw? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Stairs_Piece.png

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Wood_Stairs use different art

[languid kayak]

that marks the removal of the last 120px scaled icons 😄 (the recipe and skill books animations)

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Pages_requested_for_deletion 54 pages left and 37 are marked as duplicates for https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Tasks#One-time_bot_tasks 👀

Actually, I'd say we should nuke https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Blouse and https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Vest – objections?

These are b40 and prior items that we don't have point in archiving. https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Obsolete_items

It's also what confueded https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Vest/pl

I think these three should go too:

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Pants_(disambiguation)/no
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Pants_(disambiguation)/ja
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Pants_(disambiguation)/fr

With all those gone, the only pages preventing removing https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:SocksAnim.gif, https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Vest.gif and https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Trousers.gif would be:

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Items/ja
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Items/no
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Items/pl
which are all heavily outdated (think pre-Steam outdated).

Pinging @proud cobalt and @digital helm for these (and see previous discussion), if not I'll settle the removals tomorrow as well.

After that, the only animated icons left would be the ones for recipe ingredients/evolved recipes/Template:EvolvedRecipesForItem would be:

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Beer_Anim.gif
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:BeerAnima.gif
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Berry_Anim.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Beverage_Anim.gif
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:BreadAnima.gif
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:MugAnim.gif
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:MugFullAnim.gif
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:MushroomAnima.gif
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Popanim.gif
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:RicePastaFullAnim.gif
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Sandwich_Anim.gif

[languid kayak]

btw, can we replace animations in https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Template:Recipe_list&action=edit ? Some of the animated icons are used there. Either two icons side by side or icons with cycle-img. Pinging @digital helm for that.

and @proud cobalt can we replace the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:MushroomAnima.gif in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Roasted_Vegetables ? If so, would it be better to use cycle-img or just enter each mushroom one-by-one?

btw https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Incorrect_template_usage

btw @proud cobalt do you think we can generate pages for https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Flint&action=edit&redlink=1 https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Flint_and_Steel&action=edit&redlink=1 and https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Steel_Knuckle&action=edit&redlink=1 ? These are the last three item pages that are not existing yet (these can all be spawned in debug, and Steel Knuckle has even a model)

[digital helm]

The second one is used in the contextual menu when crafting, so keep for crafting template?

[languid kayak]

the second or the first one?

[digital helm]

Following current standard they should be PillBottle_Model (or something like that)

[languid kayak]

and the current standard is the texture name?

[digital helm]

The second. The smaller stair. Since you only select one sprite

[languid kayak]

So the first one is good to go?

[digital helm]

Is WorldStaticModel value

Should be in style guide

[digital helm]

First one may be good to keep for the infobox or at least gallery, since that is the entire object after all

[languid kayak]

it's not used though, that's why the question 😄

[digital helm]

Happy with this. I probably prefer the fixed one in the infobox (for neatness), but I see why you'd want the actual one in the infobox
I think this was @proud cobalt 's suggestion too

[digital helm]

Oh, right. I didn't notice the links, just the images 😄
Maybe just put in gallery then?

[digital helm]

They weren't even the used textures. There were already coloured textures but they weren't used. The texture got tinted.
I agree to nuke them. The textures are still used in b41

[digital helm]

I agree. I'm guessing that happened because they followed the move of the English page

[digital helm]

Feel free to remove. I'll update these with the item list scripts I'm working on

[digital helm]

Thoughts on having templates for these anims? Like the tags

[digital helm]

The recipe template doesn't support it currently. I want to add this eventually, just haven't looked into it yet. I think I discussed briefly with @proud cobalt

[digital helm]

Should be able to, yeah. Just need to use a different param (tag_image or something). I'm guessing Calvy just copied the soup article

[languid kayak]

So remove those three?
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Items/ja
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Items/no
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Items/pl

Yeah, at that point they could be auto-generated, and losing translations is probably not something we should worry at that point (PL I can translate and Japanese and Norwegian are really outdated at this point.

We also have

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Items/cs – slightly less outdated and not preventing any removals, but still using and old format

[digital helm]

It'd be autogenerated using translations from game files, so no problem there. Just a lot of tables to do

[languid kayak]

Actually, there's more:

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Items/de
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Items/fr (kinda, it uses a category IIRC)
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Items/ko

[digital helm]

A lot of the old/duplicate icons were from these pages. Maybe we should've just nuked them from the start to find them all 😄

[languid kayak]

Yeah, that was exactly my thought 😄

I nuked the /legacy for build 40 last year, but kept those

[digital helm]

It's a lot of work for someone to maintain those pages, so no wonder they've been abandoned

[languid kayak]

Okay, gonna remove the ja, no, pl anyway.

Should I delete cs, de, fr and ko as well?

or keep them just in case (can override)?

or… maybe just remove the images out of ja/no/pl instead?

Could be a less intrusive stop-gap 🤔

I might actually do that, to just remove the four animations

[digital helm]

The fr one looks fine, I wouldn't want to delete that. Not sure about the others. I'd just remove any old images or gifs

[languid kayak]

I nuked the pl one; it was terribly outdated anyway with all manners, and I'd retranslate the page anyway as needed.

So yeah, https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Pages_requested_for_deletion is down to 50 pages and 37 are marked as duplicates for https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Tasks#One-time_bot_tasks 🎉

[languid kayak]

These ones plus https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Dashboard_4043.png and https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Leftsidehud.png are left

[proud cobalt]

Is it not possible for numbers with user preference? Then ISO 8601 as default?

[proud cobalt]

Yes

[proud cobalt]

I believe both exist. Stairs piece is craftable, wood stairs is a map tile

[proud cobalt]

Yesssss nuke them all

[proud cobalt]

These will have to wait for language pages to update

[proud cobalt]

Ill make it placeholder right now, this page is still very wip missing all hunger values

[proud cobalt]

Half of this fixed, could you verify this translation please
https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Template:Location_table/pl&diff=478173&oldid=463979

[proud cobalt]

Ok all fixed if you could translate these when you get a chance
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:CodeSnip/pl
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:CodeBox/pl
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Retrieved/pl

[proud cobalt]

Done
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Flint
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Flint_and_Steel
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Steel_Knuckle

[proud cobalt]

Spot on 😄

[proud cobalt]

Well in an ideal world we would be able to use ll (or something better) for this but not feasable right now

[proud cobalt]

How outdated is fr? We had a fr translator not long ago

Oh yeah Vail beat me to it

[proud cobalt]

I have to look at fixing my img replacement bot after it went so wrong last time

Ok wall of text done for the morning 😄

[digital helm]

Yeah, that's exactly what I was considering doing

[proud cobalt]

Ahh yeah that'd be better

[digital helm]

The translate extension has options for this. They have translate variables, which are global constants, so they only need to be translated once. This is with the <tvar> tag.

I guess the "problem" with the translate extension is that each page needs to be set up for it individually. So things like tvar and the whole translate functionality isn't automatically set up (which is both good and bad). Once it's set up for a page, I'm not sure editing can be done with a bot, since each block of text is translated individually, rather than editing an entire page. So we may only end up doing this on list pages, or 'meta' pages, like skills, health, player, etc. rather than individual items

It also highlights outdated blocks of text, which is nice

[digital helm]

I had the same problem 😅

[proud cobalt]

Yeah that would be the only real place we need it to be fair

[languid kayak]

Might be the best option yeah

at least least hassle free 😄

[languid kayak]

yeah, was gonna do that yesterday, I think I'll do that today 😄

[languid kayak]

(that's done btw)

[languid kayak]

Thanks! Gonna improve the pages; the Steel Knuckle has a model while Flint and Flint and Steel do not IIRC, won't be able to confirm for 100% for a while, though

[proud cobalt]

OK I've gone through and fixed up a bunch of minor Infobox issues that was stopping the bot from updating those pages. It would have also stopped some polish pages going up so running the updater then will run the language page bot

[languid kayak]

should be done; anything I missed from yesterday/morning?

[proud cobalt]

Thanks, I think that's it

It was those three for CodeBoxes and the addition to Location table

[languid kayak]

huh, one link is wrong: https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Smallblunt/pl&action=edit&redlink=1 (missing space) in

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Ball-peen_Hammer/pl

(two links to be precise, both are the same :P) Guess the same'd happen for any other skill name with a space

oh and one more thing:

Poziom skill
Should be
Poziom umiejętności

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Fixing is WIP and not translatable yet, I think, but @digital helm the links on non-English page link to [[translated name]] instead of [[English name/xx|translated name]]

[languid kayak]

huh, and in infobox it's "https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=SmallBlunt/pl&action=edit&redlink=1" (uppercase but still no space)

[proud cobalt]

It looks like it's using the exact version from the code again, which is something I originally fixed when doing English pages 🤔

Why exactly don't we use page version on language pages? Wouldn't it be better to know exactly how outdated an article may be? Discussion of this was probably before my time @digital helm

[digital helm]

It was really just @swift warren 's idea. I don't mind either way. It could be helpful though, especially with automating a lot of it

[digital helm]

Have a look in utility.py there should be a function for this

[languid kayak]

less confusion for new editors too, just have to ping the few we explicitly said not to include it 😄

But yeah, those changes are better to get ironed out now than after b42.

(I still can't bring myself to it, but I'd love to move the remaining pages till we have time; that's furnitures and maybe the monstrous Items → Item, Weapons → Weapon etc., if we want it that way?

I moved the trivia from https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Leather_Strips&type=revision&diff=478431&oldid=475761 to the history table btw – is it possible to link to the specific version directly from the history table, so folsk won't have to scroll? Though names are not consistent between regular version, iwbums, testing, etc.

Also having data automatically pulled from the versions could've been handy but I think it'd be too much work, that's the only bits of info lost from moving to the history table otherwise.

[digital helm]

That was an oversight. It shouldn't be a link, just plain text. Fixing now

[proud cobalt]

Yeah you should just be able to use the name of the page. Iirc it's just a link

[digital helm]

You can replace Build 41 with the link#section, but this will break for other languages, so I'll add a # parameter.
It'll be:
{{HistoryLine|link|#=section|link_name|description}}
So:
{{HistoryLine|Build 41|#=IWBUMS Build 41.20|41.20|Added alongside the release of [[tailoring]].}}

[digital helm]

added btw https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:HistoryLine

[languid kayak]

In the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Location_table we should rather have "{variable} distribution" as a translation, as in Polish (and I suspect a lot of other languages) word order is different. I can work around by adding ItemName – dystrybucja but naturally it should be Dystrybucja ItemName`

[digital helm]

How's that? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Ball-peen_Hammer/pl#Lokalizacja

@proud cobalt I removed the link for the item_id. I assumed it was unintentional? Especially since the template would only be on that item's page https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Template%3ALocation_table&type=revision&diff=478451&oldid=478449

[proud cobalt]

@robust latch Added that this morning
https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Template:Location_table&diff=477839&oldid=477837

I don't think it's required though, but item ids are in English

[languid kayak]

Yeah, sounds better 👌

[languid kayak]

They should be wrapped in <code> or something, as it's a code name though

or () maybe?

[digital helm]

Ah, that'd be why I didn't notice when I was modifying it

[digital helm]

Maybe use {{ID}}? Since <code> can often be a bit too in the face, to me

[robust latch]

The itemname should be local no?

I dont like "pencil" in kurşun kalem article

[proud cobalt]

It uses the item_id directly not the name currently

But i understand why you wouldnt want that

[digital helm]

I imagine the item id will eventually be a dummy parameter?

[lucid junco]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Beever's_live_music_sign_logo.png
@languid kayak

[languid kayak]

Thanks! That makes all logos sorted 😄

[languid kayak]

huh, interesting: https://www.phoronix.com/news/Mozilla-Interest-JPEG-XL-Rust

[proud cobalt]

Fixed parser side, looking to update pages now

[languid kayak]

Both in the location table an infobox, or is infobox separate thing?

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Smallblunt/pl
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/SmallBlunt/pl

(for reference, waiting for both to get empty :P)

[proud cobalt]

I fixed it in the part that returns the skill, so should be both, but i will check as i only checked infobox

Ok its fixed in the article generation and ill just have to replace it on wiki

[languid kayak]

yup, everything seems to be fixed, including other skills 🎉

[proud cobalt]

Yeah I replaced each usage in the wiki, as well as fixing it within the parser for future use

[digital helm]

This has me thinking if we should include a skill and trait id in the infoboxes? E.g. Short Blunt is SmallBlunt. Media id too for moodles and skills @proud cobalt

[languid kayak]

I wouldn't mind, yeah

wasn't even sure the skills had IDs 😄

but technically they should and it'd make sense they'd have one 😛

[digital helm]

Most of them are the same as their English name, but may still be helpful for modders

[proud cobalt]

Yeah they'd just go down with item Id right? I don't mind that

[digital helm]

Yeah. Although called something else, like 'Skill ID' or 'Trait ID'

[lucid junco]

@languid kayak Why are we using ll again?

[lucid junco]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

I see absolutely 0 maps here

Interesting

I think thats the only place where Map of USA can naturally spawn

[languid kayak]

In See also? We never really had a rule against it as it's a list and decided it's be easier for translations without adding enough complexion, but yeah, we're generally a lot undecided about that template and running circles around with it 😄

There's a task for categories too

[languid kayak]

I think it was added by Ikip who was playing an old version, that's why I I guess.

btw, not adding it stragitgh up to duplicates but it seems the old version would be duplicates to removal for tasks @proud cobalt? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/Calvy

Also minor nit, I prefer to list those as in-game exports, so starting lowercase and with underscores 🙂

[proud cobalt]

Not sure what you mean

[lucid junco]

Then why does it have 41.78. 16

https://tenor.com/view/aceattorney-phoenix-wright-evidence-papers-gif-10033464

[proud cobalt]

Ikip was an interesting person

Yeah he changed it https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Maps_Unlimited&diff=146061&oldid=144045

[lucid junco]

@proud cobalt Not sure if its worthy of a ping or not, but Blue navy jacket lacks loot table
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Jacket_(navy_blue)

I thought bot adds it automatically

[proud cobalt]

All good. There's some items that are set up incorrectly, or only spawn on zombies. This seems to be one of them so it won't have a distribution table

[lucid junco]

It can only spawn on zeds then?

[proud cobalt]

Most likely, or it's commented out in the distribution files, or the item pool it's in is never called. I'm not home or I'd check

It's the same for jockey clothing
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Jockey_Helmet_-_1

[digital helm]

Seems to be found in foraging and the AmbulanceDriver outfit @lucid junco

[proud cobalt]

Outfits would be good to add to Distributions. Not sure why foraging wouldn't find it

I should honestly rewrite the whole thing with what I've learnt over the past 8 months

[flint vapor]

Hey everyone ! I'm part of the modding community and we've discussed a lot with a few modders to finally start putting some work in documentating and basically reworking the entire modding part of the wiki, add our resources to it etc. How would that go exactly for access and stuff like that ?

I personally will have some time to work on writing some documentation, we've got a lot of stuff to transcribe, lots of resources and we are really in need of a centralized way to share all of this knowledge

[lucid junco]

@digital helm @languid kayak

Also, @naive imp, I feel like we had conversation like that before, but what template do we use for locations?

There are two currently in use and Im unsure on which one should I use

[digital helm]

Hey! No problem with access. You just need to create an account/log in. Feel free to create and change what you need https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Modding.
Creating pages is pretty straightforward https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Help:Creating_a_new_page just note we use a breadcrumb menu to help with navigation, which goes at the top of the page and is just {{Header|Modding|[subcategories go here]}} https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Header

If you need help with anything, just let us know.

The only things to be mindful of are the item tag articles https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Item_tags (we could use some help with adding to these pages), https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Item_tag and room definitions https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Room_definitions_and_item_spawns as some of our templates and scripts use these.

[flint vapor]

Alright cool thanks for the resources

[digital helm]

Also this https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Help:Style_guide which I don't expect you to read in full. But is a helpful resource

[flint vapor]

Alright I'll try to take a look at these in the coming weeks

[digital helm]

Yeah, you may need to take a look at it. It seems to be missing a lot of stuff. Here's a list of all the items I could find that it gets (only 80). There's 331 entries just for clothing

[naive imp]

Use Boilerplate location as a guide. Location is a deprecated header and loot should only be used for chains, not single locations. Loot for single locations should be included in the "interior" section

Feel free to look through my contribs and use any recently updated article I did as a guide as well

That's what I did with e1 else

[naive imp]

Also look on the community projects. Theres a modding project if you guys wanna take that over. The previous leader was blocked for some unsavory behavior so go crazy

Any questions feel free to ping me or another active user here, we're here to help 😀

[flint vapor]

Wdym community project ? The community modding project ? Or completely something else ?

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2909488957&searchtext=community+project

[naive imp]

One sec lemme link it

[naive imp]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Project_Modding

This

A lot of our big stuff goes through projects we organize

You can look at the other currently active one too

*ones

I'd be a bit more help but I'm sick as fuck rn and can't get outta bed

Forgive my mobile formatting

[flint vapor]

So what's that supposed to be exactly ?

An organization of what needs to be done with a leader ?

[naive imp]

Just a place to for community to pool all info and tasks relating to what they're trying to accomplish, for better coordination

The previous leader left it a huge mess

He was known for bad formatting

Look at some of the other projects too, there's a navbox at the bottom

You'll see what I mean

The modding project is kinda a shitty example because it'd such a mess

[flint vapor]

Where can I find the other projects ?

I have no idea how to naviguate the wiki ngl

[naive imp]

The navbox at the bottom if that page, or use the sidebar and click community poetal

Portal

They're all listed there

You need screenshots?

[flint vapor]

this ?

[naive imp]

Yes

[languid kayak]

oh the file names for the images, minor nit

[naive imp]

Or click the community portal on the sidebar it's easier

[flint vapor]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Community_portal

[naive imp]

That's called a navbox

[flint vapor]

I see

[naive imp]

Yup

You'll get better at navigating I was bad at it too

It comes with experience

[flint vapor]

Ok so there's teams basically, that's good

[naive imp]

Yeah, anyone can contribute

The projects are places to pool tasks together and make sure everyone is on the same page regarding edits formatting, what needs to be done, etc etc

[naive imp]

Just click around and explore, don't worry about breaking anything

And if you somehow do break something no hard feelings we'll fix it

It's pretty chill here

[languid kayak]

also created the page with that note

[naive imp]

Of course he did

We don't talk about Bruno lol

[flint vapor]

👌

There's some sort of community checking for things modified right ?

[naive imp]

Not really. The modding side of the wiki has been neglected for a LONG time

You'll have to get those people you were talking about on here to help you

We haven't touched the modding side because we have way more important stuff to do

[flint vapor]

I mean yeah that we kind of know lol

[naive imp]

But we never say no to good contributions! Go crazy

[flint vapor]

Also you're not modders are you ?

(no offense)

[naive imp]

I'm not, @digital helm has limited modding experience and he self taught coding, bit he's also admin so he's got a ton if shit to do

Basically most of us no

It'd be great to have actual modders to do that stuff

I don't touch it because I'm not we'll versed

[flint vapor]

Yeah that was the idea, to finally have a centralized place to share stuff for modding

Like I said, we have a lot of technical stuff and we are limited by our current means of sharing informations

I'm still fairly recent in the modding, been modding since January but I learned a fuck ton and took the time to rearrange some stuff in the modding Discord in a sort of centralized place

But like I had predicted, forums for sharing so many guides and informations is not fitting at all

Need something closer to a book than a random bank of information, got to get something to tell where new modders new to look for stuff

[naive imp]

This would be a great place for it. Just remember to adhere to the style guide and our very laid back rules and go crazy!

We could really use actual modders doing that

I do recommend you get familiar with the interface before doing anything crazy big, but you can do that by browsing all the help pages we have and asking around discord

Talk pages are neglected here so discord is the preferred way of communicating

[flint vapor]

Yeah definitely lol

The modding side of the wiki is uh .... not very useful for many. There's one or two things that are but overall it's really used by no one

[naive imp]

Exactly. Since yall are actual modders you go crazy

Do what needs to be done

[flint vapor]

I asked on the modding Discord that we create a wiki channel too, that way we could talk technical stuff there related purely to modding and share POV on informations we'll put there (sounds more organized than having 20 conversation in a single channel lol)

[naive imp]

We really would appreciate the transparency here too but I can't stop you lol

[languid kayak]

hey! On mobile but sure, the modding projecta need much love and will need even more in b42, th project leadership is also free currently

[naive imp]

That's out main admin

He's pretty cool 😎

[flint vapor]

Of course, the goal is not to disconnect ourselves from you, simply technical stuff will be kept there as this will just bloat the channel with technical stuff here

[naive imp]

We LOVE technical stuff

Look back through here there's tons of it

[lucid junco]

I really have to remember that its boilerplate and not template

[naive imp]

Can be confusing if you're not used to it

No worries

[flint vapor]

Alright I'll share some bits if you want. If you're curious you can pass by the modding Discord and see what I mean by technical stuff in the misc guide forum for example

[naive imp]

Be interested to check it out

But if it pertains to wiki editing everything's welcome here

[flint vapor]

I don't know yet if I'd take the leadership role, but I sure seem to be the one showing the most intrest in creating documentation rn lol

[naive imp]

I'm the leader of locations and maps, honestly it's just a lot kf organizing stuff and editing job boards

It's a Lil symbolic tbh

But it's not like you have to rally troops or anything lol

[flint vapor]

Yeah I guessed it

[flint vapor]

I think we do need a bit of that rn tho

[naive imp]

Agreed

[flint vapor]

I won't mind, I'm efficient in motivating people

[naive imp]

Like I said go crazy

Do what yall wanna do just don't explode the whole wiki lol

We like it here 😆

It's all very laid back

[flint vapor]

Sounds fair lmao

[languid kayak]

bit yeah, skimming the discussion a bit, will go into details later :). Currently modding is mostly links to guides but there's some nice script and lua guide pages by aiteron that just need some formatting. They were moved recently, too. Also there's a list of tiledefs and room definitions as Vail said and as of recently the tags name. Items etc. also have the ids and code portions where relevant. We'll mosly look for detailed info and less guides btw, guides are better fit in steam or otherwise than a wiki mostly nowadays, mind you, though useful guides are jot unwelcome.

[flint vapor]

tiledefs and room definitions sound more like mapping stuff ngl

Tho there's some direct links yeah

Personally I'm no expert in mapping related stuff, it's a completely different field

You know what, I'll fuck around with my personal page to see what's possible to do

[languid kayak]

well, modding and mapping sit under the same umbrella on wiki 😄 (and both are underdeveloped). Actually, we pushed whatever we had from mods there as well (though we don't really cover mods in general, we have a page for some b40 mods that are left)

[languid kayak]

Basically it'd be this: https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Window&type=revision&diff=478793&oldid=476057

[flint vapor]

Both should be completely separated ngl

None of the tools are the same

[languid kayak]

I guess at that point now they both are too small, in future sure, but right now just bringing anything non-gameplay up to a decent place would be start 😄

Even the wiki was barely (and still isn't ideal) had a huge backlog, only recently we bumped all the pages to 41.78.16 and there are still some non-English ones that are as old as 2013

[flint vapor]

👌

Yeah just saying, there is an extreme deconnection between the mapping and modding Discord for example. Like we link instantly their Discord whenever someone asks for anything closely related to mapping because it's not the same community at all and speciality

So that's the mapping Discord to do their own job too to properly get into the wiki like we're about to

But we can't link mapping stuff in the modding Discord, that's really not viable I think, there's going to be a complete missconception of how modding is in PZ, there's clearly 2 massive separations btw both worlds

The only thing we have in common are mod.info files, and that's basically it

99% of mappers won't touch anything related to modding
and 99% of modders won't touch anything related to mapping

[flint vapor]

Anyway to delete an account ? (not mine, just made a test to create a tutorial image on how to become a contributor for the other modders)

[languid kayak]

Not really, but it won't hurt

[flint vapor]

👌

https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Category:Current_Lua_Events

Apparently this page is autogenerated with a script ?

[languid kayak]

I think it wasn't technically autogenerated in 100% according to what Aiteron said here, but it might be generated partially. These were moved, so they lack history, mind you

[flint vapor]

So if we modify the page, we don't have a risk of it getting completely replaced ?

[languid kayak]

nope, can ping @cold kettle for that but I think you don't plan on updating the pages prior the build 42 and don't mind them being added info over?

oh wait, I just realized Aiteron mostly did the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Item_script_parameters pages (these might get renamed, had a brief discussion before), the Lua Events point to https://github.com/quarantin/pzwiki which I think is abandoned at that point? Pinging @digital helm and @proud cobalt for that, I was just aware of this repo existance

from e.g., https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=AcceptedFactionInvite&action=edit

[flat sun]

would a replacement script be considered? i've been maintaining my own event list for a while now, the wiki one is kind of considered a noob trap

initially i tried PRing the data this one draws from but as you say it seems abandoned

[flint vapor]

I mean, the point is starting to work on the wiki at any time rn

Basically most of us use Albion's Github wiki on Events simply because they have more informations related to the events (ran client or server side for example)

The examples are good I think we definitely should keep those

And the visual of the page is fairly good I think too

But yeah Albion basically has a way better event list rn

[proud cobalt]

Oh and just as general information, the modding space uses blue to differentiate from the main space. The header does this automatically, and for tables we use class="wikitable theme-blue sortable"

[proud cobalt]

Updated modding guides would be incredibly helpful on the wiki. This is pretty much all we have
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Decompiling_game_code
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Creating_dynamic_radio_channels
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Adding_new_tiles
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/How_to_make_a_clothing_mod

[proud cobalt]

I'm still not really following, did you mean to link my contribs?

[proud cobalt]

Ok im following a bit more, but where do you mean?

[flint vapor]

Planned

tho some of these I personally dk

[flint vapor]

uuuhhh

idk anything on the technical aspect, yet

[proud cobalt]

I new it existed, nothing more really

[proud cobalt]

Yes, we're open to new and better ways of sharing this info. We currently just work with what we've got

[proud cobalt]

That's fine, tables are pretty simple.. Heres an example of it in use for a modding page.
https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Modded_weapons&action=edit
Note the {{Header|Modding|Mods}} this is what shows the blue banner at the top of the page and categorises the page.
{{Page version|41.43|hidecat=true}} Shows the version the page was created for. This one is slightly outdated. hidecat=true is added to modding pages so they dont show up in the Build 41 category.
{{Mod}} Adds the mod warning, this type of template is called an Mbox, other common ones are {{Delete}} to mark a page for deletion, {{wip}} to mark a page as being under construction, and {{Improve}} to mark a page that needs improvement. We aim to improve pages rather than deleting them.

Any word surrounded by == is a title header. == is the main header we use in pages, but you can also use subheaders by adding more equals, e.g. === or ====
Then is the actual table. Here's a smaller table from my sandbox

! Version
! History
|-
| 41.78.16
| Released on or before this version.
|-
| 42
| This is an example.
|}```

`{| class="wikitable theme-red sortable" style="text-align: center;` starts the table, so in this case it would be a red table with sortable headers, and the text is center aligned.
`!` is a header, this will determine how many columns the table should have
`|-` marks a new row, the first usage marks the end of the header section, then each usage afterwards marks a new row
`| text` this is where the information for each column will go, in order of the headers
`|}` marks the end of the table.
And that creates a table that looks like this
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Calvy/sandbox3

Tables are really useful and you'll probably end up using them quite a bit. They can also be more complicated, but theres always people here to help you if you need it.

[digital helm]

That's a good place to start. If you need more pages, you can make subpages, which is just [page name]/[subpage]. These are helpful when working on multiple projects at a time. E.g. https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Vaileasys/sandbox
Anything in your 'user space' is yours and shouldn't really be edited by others without permission (exceptions for wiki maintenance of course)

[digital helm]

Do you mind sharing the channel (pm me if you'd prefer)? While we're not necessarily modders (most of my experience is pre b41) we do spend a lot of time scouring the game code. We can help with the the wiki technical stuff

[languid kayak]

I see, indeed it seems abandoned, should definitely be forked but can use yours as well

We use scripts for regular wiki pages now, just I don't have enough focus to get to them 😄

Calvy and Vail has been maintaining their one for pages as of recently, but there's one from Think II about media that we're gonna integrate once and the one for room definitions

[languid kayak]

oh now I see that, was meant to be a link to a specific revision and I accidentially clicked your general contrib 🤦‍♂️

was supposed to be https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Window&diff=prev&oldid=476057

[languid kayak]

Actually the channel was mentioned here once, just forgot who was it, that's how I joined, I'll DM you an invite link

[proud cobalt]

Ahh ok, yeah i prefer underscores to spaces in file names, was just working quickly. And yes the old versions should be added to the duplicates list

[flint vapor]

https://discord.com/channels/908422782554107904/1281341837742968903

[flint vapor]

Thanks, noting all that

[flint vapor]

The page you sent doesn't have any subpage ?

[proud cobalt]

That page is a subpage of User:Vaileasys

[digital helm]

That. Thanks 😄

[flint vapor]

Yeah guessed it, tho still idk where subpage is used here

Also what's the programming language of the wiki exactly ?

https://discord.com/channels/136501320340209664/1125248330595848192

For the modding Discord invite

[digital helm]

It uses its own language. Wikiscript or wikitext but most html works

[proud cobalt]

^ Its a markup language, quite limited

Until you get into just using html

[digital helm]

sandbox is a subpage of User:Vaileasys this may help more https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Subpages#Use_of_subpages
We don't use subpages on normal content pages (reserved for translations)

[flint vapor]

Alright

[languid kayak]

we generally only use subpages for sandboxes nowadays

oh yeah, and translations, right 😄

But yeah, it's handy if you want to test something out – in general there's no need to be scared to edit the page straight away, but if you'd ever want to edit some high-traffic template, which are often protected (or you fear of breaking something), you can do so on the /sandbox subpage of that template.

[flint vapor]

👌

[proud cobalt]

First tr page up for testing. Just waiting for the all good before uploading
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Calvy/sandbox2/tr

[restive adder]

Modified the message now

[lucid junco]

Looking through the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Stub_articles
There are some items that are definitely are in worse state than stub

Do future and removed features need a Stub?

[digital helm]

I think stub should just be for articles that are short and could be expanded/are missing a lot of info. Not for articles that are just short. So if a future article is short but doesn't have any more info that can be added, then I don't think it needs the notice.

[proud cobalt]

I completely agree. A stub should have the ability to have more information. If a finished article is short, it shoudnt be a stub

[lucid junco]

@languid kayak @naive imp Should It now be called just "Southern outskirts" and exclude businesses from Burnt Town?

[digital helm]

I think so. Anything to reduce the bloat on that page. They should at least be mentioned though so they've probably still 'technically' part of Louisville, even if an outer suburb.

Same with Evergreen Hill and Leafhill Heights. Since they have their own page, I don't think there's any reason to list all of their businesses again. Just using {{Main|Evergreen Hill}} I think would suffice

[lucid junco]

I mean, technically its outside of the LV border, along with military border

[digital helm]

Isn't the military border the Louisville border though?

[lucid junco]

https://tenor.com/view/bamboozled-gif-18321502

We have discussed about it previously with faalagorn and came to the conclusion that anything past the border is LV

Ive determined it using the fact that when player gets into LV too early, all tv station will scramble

And the point where player is counted as being in LV is halfway into the LV border camp

Roughly

[digital helm]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So the exclusion zone border is the border of Louisville. So everything up to the border is part of Louisville. That being the border camp and burnt town (since it runs straight through it)

[quasi thunder]

Do admins have statistics on which genders are the most visited?

[proud cobalt]

I dont think the wiki takes those kinds of analytics as theres no ads

[quasi thunder]

Yes, but POSSIBLY, it's unclear why, but such data is being collected🤷‍♂️😂

It would be clearer which articles to translate first, and not just randomly choose an article that is not visited by even 3 people per year

[proud cobalt]

Oh which articles are the most visited? That information does exist. I think that was a misunderstanding in translation

[quasi thunder]

Oh, yeah, sorry😅. Is this info "private", or...?

[proud cobalt]

Kirrus has said it can be shared so long as specifics are not given. Only admins can see it

[quasi thunder]

Specifics?

[proud cobalt]

Actual numbers of visitors on pages and such

The highest viewed pages are the item pages i believe
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Items

[languid kayak]

you csn use rework for some I guess

[languid kayak]

I'd say yeah

[quasi thunder]

Ah, I don’t care about that. As I mentioned before, I just need it to get a rough idea of which articles are the most visited, so as not to waste time translating less useful ones

[languid kayak]

and yeah, that too. If it will ne expanded in b42 then a stub should be readded

[languid kayak]

you mean visitor's? Not really, each registered user can set their pronouns which are shown on user pages, ehich can modify some system messages, but that's it.

oh it was about the pages 😄 Then yeah, I csn share a screenshot later bit baeically items, weapons, traits, skills, lofe and living

and antique oven I guess people look for ot activrly

[quasi thunder]

Why?

[proud cobalt]

Electrcity free cooking and heating

[languid kayak]

antique oven? As it does not reuire generator and is safer than a campfire.

and mor convenient than a charcoal bbq

also can be placed indoors

[quasi thunder]

I'm already used to the gas stove and canned food

[languid kayak]

I think it's more of issue in mp

[quasi thunder]

Maybe, I didn't play in mp

[lucid junco]

What bout gas bbq

Its safer than stove

And usable after electricity shutoff

[proud cobalt]

Never used the gas bbq, how common is gas? It only takes a few logs per day for an antique stove

[lucid junco]

Fairly common, you can find it in garages, toolsheds and warehouses

[robust latch]

Is the police deputy basically a sheriff?

Police trooper = Police officer, Police Deputy = Sheriff is what I am understanding

[proud cobalt]

A deputy is a subordinate of a Sherrif. The sheriff is the boss. In the USA a sheffis office and a police department are different. Police are usually only in a city.

However in game, they seem to mix the two. Typical 😆

[robust latch]

I mean the deputy's clothing looks sheriff-like, no?

I might translate police deputy as Sheriff Assistant or smth then

[digital helm]

I'd consider it sherrif-like, yeah

[digital helm]

I wouldn't worry about the list articles (Items, Weapons, etc.), we're currently working on automating them.
I'd start with these:
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Life_and_Living_TV
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Vehicles
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Trait
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Skill
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Health
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Moodle

[quasi thunder]

Okay, thanks🦞

[languid kayak]

you use it for metalworking tho

[lucid junco]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Mashie_Signs_%26_Paintings
@languid kayak @digital helm Could this be a reference to one of the devs?

[digital helm]

yeah, a reference to mash, the main artist

[lucid junco]

Closest name I could find is Mash

Oh

[digital helm]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Marina_Siu-Chong

[lucid junco]

Yeah, I was typing out Mashie and she came up as a first result

But it isnt in the easter eggs

Added it now

[robust latch]

So @digital helm and @proud cobalt thoughts on making distrubiton table header translatable? Are you still against it?

[robust latch]

One more thing, I agree that these parts should stay as is

But I wonder making a "legend" box at the bottom of the location table is warranted for non-english users. What do you think?

[proud cobalt]

Right now yeah, I know it sucks but multiple boxes can be on the same page, with different IDs but the same name

We're working on splitting still, it may be possible to change this in the future

[digital helm]

Not entirely sure what you mean. The distribution table is translatable, isn't it? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Location_table

[digital helm]

As Calvy said. But I'd also like to have them link to a page like this https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Room_definitions_and_item_spawns (which we may need to look at splitting due to long load times)

[proud cobalt]

Axe doesnt translate because its an item id. Thats what his concern is about

[digital helm]

Ah, okay. Thank you. What you said then 😄

[robust latch]

Yeah thats what I have meant. A Tr version of this in future would come in handy, even tho its not a pressing issue atm

[proud cobalt]

Id consider making the links ll but that would make loading times much worse. May be possible to output with /tr. I maintain this script atm so ill have to look into it, its been about 8 months

[languid kayak]

I think we should use {{ID}} or similar to indicate it's a code name. Not sure if "All" is from code or should it be translatable?

[robust latch]

Yeah I mean keeping the left part (Fire, Mccoy, All, Carpenter, Safehouseloot etc.) English is sane because I believe almost all of them are from Distributions.lua file? But at the bottom a dictionary of sorts for non english users "maybe" be useful. I dont know. Throwing ideas

[digital helm]

{{ID}} could help, but it has a similar issue to what @proud cobalt said, about increase load times when it's used a lot

Not nearly as bad as {{ll}} though

[proud cobalt]

What does ID actually do? Just change the font?

[digital helm]

Yeah, and size slightly

It's the same as <code> but without the border and background

[proud cobalt]

It's a generated page, we could just use inline css

[digital helm]

<span style="font-family: Consolas, Menlo, Monaco, Lucida Console, Monospace; font-size: 90%;">{{{1}}}</span>

[proud cobalt]

It wouldnt be pretty

[digital helm]

I could make a class

[proud cobalt]

Do we even need it is the question

[digital helm]

Yeah, I'm not sure. Would if it is, would <code> work instead?

[proud cobalt]

I can just add /language_code to the end of every link in output

Not sure we need anything if we do that

[digital helm]

I'm on board with them linking to a page that explains what they mean #pzwiki_editing message

[robust latch]

How do I make these displayed in Turkish? I tried this in hopes of getting "tezgah" but nope: https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Counter/tr&redirect=no

The middle part HAS to be Turkish, just didn't figure it out yet

[proud cobalt]

I think its because of the redirect still. Unfortunately i dont know any way to fix that, its like how english pages will show the redirect locations name

Turkish articles going up shortly with the upgraded bot 🎉
Should better handle models, shouldn't try to make articles for outdated, wip, or articles marked for deletion. And as always skipping VHS and Disc pages, and any pages that already have tr subpages.
@robust latch @languid kayak @digital helm

[robust latch]

Most magnificent news bruh

[proud cobalt]

All thanks to your and Sariserpito's help, we can expand our Turkish accessibility

I'd like to get the crafting onto the generated pages, I may be able to do this by copying the currently used templates that are on the English page with the bot and creating a crafting section. Crafting uses LL links, and we wouldnt copy any text over just the template. Are we interested in this? @digital helm @languid kayak

[digital helm]

Yeah I think that's good. Pretty much what you did a long time ago with infoboxes

ll should be less of a problem as I don't think it's used nearly as much for them

[proud cobalt]

Crafting already uses ll, most pages have a Max of like 10 recipes so it's a non issue

Would showing the display name in search be a MediaWiki thing or a citizen thing?

[digital helm]

Seems to be a mediawiki thing

Searching for text within pages finds the page, but not very obvious to try that

[robust latch]

Is it possible to make {{Title}} template to "force" display the title name in redirect pages?

[digital helm]

That's suppose to be what the DisplayTitle extension we have does, and why most things get translated. I'm not entirely sure why it doesn't here. I'm guessing I might be because it starts with lowercase? You'll see that some do get translated, like Suitcase/tr here https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Sheet_of_Paper/tr

[digital helm]

Oh, you mean on the redirect page? Not that I know of. I think we're already doing what we can with that template

[robust latch]

That does get translated because its not a redirect

[digital helm]

Ah, yeah that's a good reason 😄

The title does seem to work here https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Counter/tr&oldid=479829

[robust latch]

Displayed as counter/tr in item pages though

[digital helm]

Sadly no fix for that, that I know of

[proud cobalt]

Ok most models moved to correct names, a couple models need decisions or overwrites so i'll leave that to @languid kayak @digital helm

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1q8NBb8n1izGSvzokUh8wSNF9Jq2fmWGrx9qulXx7LwU/edit?usp=sharing

250 changes 😆

[digital helm]

Awesome! Thanks for doing that, I didn't even get a chance 😄 I'll take a look through them tomorrow

[robust latch]

Well if both Building/Room and Container is going to be English than the people who doesn't speak English will not be able to comprehend a thing. Imagine all of the highlighted text was in Chinese. None of the non-english distribution tables is going to be of any use in this case. So I think making some sort of dictionary&legend inside and at the very bottom of the location table template is definetely warranted.

Legend (In local language)

crate | sandık
counter | tezgah
all | hepsi
kitchen | mutfak
pawnshop | rehinci
... and so on

Container and Building/Room part can be seperated inside legend table if thats desired

[robust latch]

Btw I just want to re-emphasize how great this is other than only saying "magnificent news". Not only this will make editing item pages atleast twice as easier (Which is an extremely, unfathomably huge deal knowing there is 2000+ items currently and 1000+ are on the way) but also hopefully it will bring new editors too.

[proud cobalt]

Love to hear it. Been talking to someone about Russian and French too. Have to thank @digital helm too, he put a shit tonne of work into the parser and completely rewrote it in the past like 3 days

[robust latch]

Yeah so I have been told. Great work.

[proud cobalt]

This sucks and i totally see where you're coming from. The fact that the middle column doesn't use displayname is really shit.

A legend may work until theres a better solution

[digital helm]

English for now. There are ways we should be able to get it translated. I'd like a proper fix, i.e. have them avoid the redirect. Probably won't get to it until b42 though. We'll see how much time we have

[digital helm]

Just finished setting up translations for table headers too. So that should be coming soon.

[digital helm]

Compared to what was there though, it's pretty good 😄

[robust latch]

Alright I hear you all

[proud cobalt]

Articles up, redirects going up now

[languid kayak]

btw, https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Dish_Towel/ru&diff=next&oldid=476927 had a wrong infobox, so I removed it but I noticed you brought a lot of Russian pages kinda up-to-date @proud cobalt – you want to add a proper infobox to it?

[robust latch]

Will the header categorization be automated at some point too or is it up to editors to do that?

[proud cobalt]

We do the best we can atm, theres basic categorization done with weapons and such. But other than that it can't really be automated

[proud cobalt]

Interesting
https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Dish_Towel/ru&diff=476397&oldid=394345

Yeah i was adding headers to pages that didnt have it, and while i was there updating infoboxes that were old or missing. The bot seems to have tried to use the old item_id

[robust latch]

I am getting lazy :D.

[proud cobalt]

Redirects just finished

[proud cobalt]

Hey @lucid junco would you be interested in helping with getting Russian automated pages up? Infobox item is already done which was the biggest part

[lucid junco]

Im all ears

[proud cobalt]

You just have to download that text file and translate what's on the right hand side for the templates. Then for the block of code just translate the sentences. There's a polish example for both so you can see how Faal did it

[lucid junco]

Sounds doable, Ill get to it when Im back home

[quasi thunder]

Why is it necessary here if the article doesn't have such a section?

[proud cobalt]

It likely did at one point and hasn't been updated since

[quasi thunder]

Then I can delete it?

[proud cobalt]

If it doesnt exist in the Mechanics page yes

[quasi thunder]

Okay👌

[proud cobalt]

Task images swapped ready for deletion @languid kayak @digital helm

[digital helm]

Thank you. Will do tonight

@proud cobalt were the other icons under bot tasks waiting on something? I vaguely remember something about it

[languid kayak]

Already done 😄

Just 13 images left in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Pages_requested_for_deletion – mostly animations.

[digital helm]

I see these are done too 😄

[proud cobalt]

Those are the only ones i did

Models i couldnt get the bot working properly so has to wait

Should probably wait until its all settled anyway

[digital helm]

Ah, I gotcha. Thought you talking about the models

[proud cobalt]

Were waiting on me fixing the script, which seemed to work

[digital helm]

Always the way

[languid kayak]

I'm thinking about https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Dashboard_4043.png and https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Leftsidehud.png next

@robust latch if you'd update https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Controls/tr that'd take one less page to take care as I updated Controls in the last month

There's https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Controls/ru too if you'd want to tackle that @lucid junco

The rest I don't think we have some active translators for

I thought https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Vehicles_Guide/ru is using it too, but apparently it's not 😛 The page should be merged nevertheless someday, but it's using the new image it seems.

The only other vehicles guide to merge is https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Vehicles_Guide/es though we do have https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Farming_Guide/zh-hant too

[languid kayak]

The left side hud can be done without new translations though, as I only changed it to icons. The hud though would require some new translations and merging as I merged what was in the old Vehicles page with Controls to avoid duplication and maintaing the same info twice as it used to.

The rest is https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:EvolvedRecipesForItem which I think @digital helm or @proud cobalt are working? and then the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Recipe_ingredients which is due to be split and removed/redirected over and some crafting (which was revamped, but would still need some automatic parsing love :P)

[digital helm]

I'd like to get that done. Hopefully look into it this week, and see how daunting of a task it is 😄

[languid kayak]

hopefully easier than we fear 😄

Anyway, with that in mind I marked the image replacement task as done in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Tasks#One-time_bot_tasks @digital helm do you want to keep it just in case? Though I don't expect finding any more duplicate images 🤞

Oh wait, maybe we will, tiles.

Some are listed here: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:ListDuplicatedFiles

Some item icons are duplicated as they are 1x1 the same, keeping them just in case an item pops that use it or they get changed/removed with a patch and for completness sake, though could as well make them file redirects 🤔

Most notable are fishes, but there are umbrellas, breads, traits…

[digital helm]

I'd leave it for now. There's no rush to remove it

[robust latch]

I was actually going to bring this up to you. I was wondering if perhaps having the controls information on both pages makes more sense instead of having it only on controls

[digital helm]

Some of these are because they're clothing items (bags), so their textures aren't as straightforward. Normal items have the WorldStaticModel property which defines the model AND the texture when placed. For clothing (most? all?) this only defines the model when placed, since they use the texture for when it's worn.

Clothing also has a property called ClothingItem which points to an xml file in media\clothing\clothingItems\, which is where the texture is defined, including the decal (also where the GUID is).
So the XML file has:

• MaleModel and FemaleModel: defines the model used when worn by the character.
• GUID: used for outfits (other places?)
• AllowRandomHue and AllowRandomTint: essentially determines whether the texture colour should be static or random.
• DecalGroup: these groups are defined in clothingDecals.xml which are then directed to xml files in media\clothing\clothingDecals\ one for each decal. These define the decal texture, dimensions and coordinates on the model.
• BaseTextures: Texture to use for the model.
• textureChoices: Texture to use for the model, but similar to IconsForTexture - just a list of textures that it chooses from.

So, for naming convention for clothing, I'm thinking we use the texture name in this ClothingItem XML file. For everything else, we stick with what we have https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Help:Style_guide#Naming_conventions @languid kayak

Since they're xml, this should be straightforward to parse. It'll just take some time to set up

[languid kayak]

I think I kept some bits and linked to control, but feel free to improve; wanted to take another look somewhere down the line, but I never find the time 😄

[robust latch]

I'll just add vehicle controls information back to vehicle then if thats agreed?

While not touching "Controls" article

[quasi thunder]

{ll|} does not work if use the article title together with the #-link?

[digital helm]

Use #= So {{ll|page_title|#=anchor|display_text}}

(display_text) is optional

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Localized_link

[quasi thunder]

Wow, yeah, "=" helped, thanks!

[digital helm]

No problem 🙂

[lucid junco]

tbh this example just confused me more..😅

[proud cobalt]

Which part do you need help with

[lucid junco]

Just those that I can translate and those that I cant

It appears to be text in "", [[]] and just plain text

If Im getting things correctly

[proud cobalt]

for the templates that look like this
| unhappiness = Unhappiness you just have to translate the value on the right,

For the article translations its the section on the right also. So
"intro_template": "'''{lowercase_name}''' is an [[Item/en|Item|]] in [[Project Zomboid/en|Project Zomboid]].",
Would become
"intro_template": "'''{lowercase_name}''' это [[Item/ru|Элемент|]] в [[Project Zomboid/ru|Project Zomboid]].", (but translated better, this is using google)

[lucid junco]

Aight

[proud cobalt]

If you need more help feel free to ask, i'll be going to bed within an hour or so probably

[lucid junco]

==Autogenerated==
<noinclude>
{{Documentation|doc=
}}
{{ll|Category:Mbox}}
</noinclude><includeonly>{{#switch: {{{1|}}}
| title = This {{{2}}} was automatically generated.
| content = It may contain weird formatting. Editors are encouraged to verify and add any missing information.
| note = This notice can be removed after manual editor verification.
| #default = {{Error|translation}}
}}</includeonly>

==Autogenerated==
<noinclude>
{{Documentation|doc=
}}
{{ll|Category:Mbox}}
</noinclude><includeonly>{{#switch: {{{1|}}}
| title = Эта {{{2}}} была создана автоматически.
| content = Она может содержать странное оформление. Просим редакторов проверить информацию и добавить недостающую.
| note = Редакторы могут убрать это сообщение после ручного рассмотрения.
| #default = {{Error|translation}}
}}</includeonly>

Right?

[proud cobalt]

Yep that looks right

[lucid junco]

The worst part about this is that I have to play in russian to verify skill names

[lucid junco]

whats exacly should I look into?

[languid kayak]

won't it cause a duplicated info that'd have to be maintained twice though?

[languid kayak]

Mostly just updating the page to what's in English, or at least updating the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Dashboard_4043.png to https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:VehicleDashboard.png (numbers are different)

[languid kayak]

you can look them up in GitHub (it's what I do :D)

[languid kayak]

sounds sane. BTW, why we didn't opted using the texture name for other items btw?

[languid kayak]

btw, something's weird with https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Infobox_item/tr – it has both https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Incorrect_template_usage and https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Pages_with_template_loops Pinging @robust latch and @digital helm for that

Also, there's a lot of https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Pages_with_broken_file_links following the new infobox @proud cobalt, e.g. https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Bayonet – does it have a model in the first place?

Also seems some cyrylic went through to Polish pages https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=M9_Magazine/pl&curid=3065&diff=478241&oldid=458061

There are some non-English pages still having the history page which wasn't carried to the English pages too btw: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/M9_Magazine/pl#Historia

[robust latch]

I'll look into that later its on my "todo"

Nothing serious there if I dont recall incorrectly

[languid kayak]

btw, all the paint variants link to https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Empty_Paint_Bucket instead of https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Paint_Bucket though if we'd ever split the water containers, it would differ.

Also @naive imp are we gonna create this page or the link should be removed? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Motel_(Louisville)

(I think I asked about it once but I don't remeber what was the answer lol)

[digital helm]

Same texture is used on different models some times I believe. Or something like that (I'm sure there was a reason 😄 )

[digital helm]

That'd be because there's a missing translation. The sneaking label it looks like

@robust latch ☝️If you want to take a look. I won't get to it for a while

[digital helm]

Assume that's because they're using the 'correct' model name. Either because they're missing altogether or the one we're currently using is the wrong name

[languid kayak]

I deleted them all now, along with the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Main_Page_Screenshot

[naive imp]

Feel free to obliterate it

BTW not sick anymore

My girl is very happy about that 👀

Lol oversharing my b

[last tapir]

[naive imp]

🤣

[proud cobalt]

Working on a script to fix that atm. The generated infoboxes have a model by default, the uploader bot (used to) get the model and icon from the english page and use that, but if there was no model parameter it would just leave it default.

I've already fixed the uploader for the majority of Turkish, so if no model is found in English it will remove the model parameter on the language page. Just have to make something to do it after the fact

[proud cobalt]

That's on me, must have accidentally opened the wrong language folder. I'll fix that shortly

[proud cobalt]

Item id redirects were made before the split, would be something we have to update, should be possible to automate tbh

[proud cobalt]

Pop cans use the same texture for empty (crushed) and full iirc

[digital helm]

There's one example. Also much easier to just get that value than also worrying about parsing the models file

I'll somewhat prioritise getting these clothing item models sorted in the script. Hope to look into it over the weekend. Would also be good to get the GUID in the infobox

[proud cobalt]

Only 2 left. 1 Japanese page, and 1 tr i have no idea how to fix

[robust latch]

| sneak = should be | sneaking = in translation guide

[digital helm]

Thanks. I'll fix it

@proud cobalt models are ready to be replaced when you are. I've removed any that shouldn't be replaced and added a couple https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Tasks#Admin_tasks

[proud cobalt]

Sounds good. I have to come up with a script to do it

[digital helm]

No problem. There's no hurry

[digital helm]

I've reduced the font-size for infoboxes, so should be fewer line breaks. Let me know if it's bad

[spark portal]

what are the popular item mods these days?

[digital helm]

Brita's has to be one of if not the most popular https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2200148440&searchtext=

@proud cobalt you played a heavily modded game didn't you? Would you know the most popular item mods?

[proud cobalt]

All of britas, AuthenticZ, Firearms B41, VFE, true music mods, arsenal26

[proud cobalt]

Britas weapons and armour mostly

Otherwise like Spongies clothing. Vehicle and QOL mods are more popular than most of these though

[proud cobalt]

All the hurry before b42 😉

[proud cobalt]

Can someone verify this in vanilla please. I know definitely in my games there's a popup that says something like this.

https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Skill_books&curid=3166&diff=490299&oldid=440291

Also for discussion

https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Weapons&curid=710&diff=490397&oldid=423679

[digital helm]

When did this change? It used to let you read and just say "I don't get it". Not anymore it seems

[digital helm]

A month ago I'd say no. But I guess the table is thin enough now? Also no idea what icon to use, That'd be 4 of the same thing.

Still says "I already know that" if you're above the level though

[proud cobalt]

Must be a mod. I also remember it saying I don't get it 😂 @languid kayak?

[proud cobalt]

Probably same Icon with a question mark?

[digital helm]

That'd work

[proud cobalt]

Can be a really skinny column, ticks and crosses

[digital helm]

I was actually thinking we could fit another column or two, so this'd work. Useful info

[robust latch]

This info is legit? Sounds made up. The in-game show Moderators, is a reference to an actual event, when someone on the moderation team tried to ban a user from The Indie Stone Forums, but accidentally made them an admin instead. Whoops!

[proud cobalt]

Sounds plausible

What's our end goal for these pages. Other than actually finishing them. Do we think they need anything more? Are we happy with their contents? Layout I think will change to have less headers still. Should just ingredients and condiments headers. Mostly a question for @digital helm @languid kayak

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Evolved_recipes

[digital helm]

It's true

[proud cobalt]

Crafting template would be good. Although crating templates currently link to evolved recipes

[digital helm]

I'm not sure there's much more to add, other than the crafting template. Changes though, I think spices need to be specified

ingredients and condiments headers
"Ingredients" and "Spices"

[proud cobalt]

Yeah sounds good

[lucid junco]

Tbh I feel like this was the case in my experience too...

If its a mod thing, then its probably "read books for xp" mod or whats called

[languid kayak]

hey Nolan 😄

and yeah, like other said Brita and Arsenal I guess mostly, Hydrocraft losing relevance.

[spark portal]

what Version is the most current pub build version these days?
is it 41.78.16 ?

[proud cobalt]

Yes 41.78.16

[spark portal]

ok good. somehow im up to date, even though i cannot open steam to update pz anymore. im still using windows 7 so steam cannot start anymore. but i can still run pz offline using that version

[proud cobalt]

Hasn't changed in a while 😆

[lucid junco]

Simple Overhaul: Melee Weapons (SOMW), speaking steam data wise

And "items overhaul/new items" wise

Then there is Bushcraft Gear - Tools

Spongie's Clothing third

Authentic Z fourth

and Brita's Armor Pack fifth

[spark portal]

what has changed since PZ Version 41.65
are there many differences with base game items/spawning/crafting anything like that
like stuff missing from https://undeniable.info/pz/wiki/

[lucid junco]

VHS and CD's were added

A lot of the flavor items added

Like

[lucid junco]

Increased the spawn rates for Propane Tanks in the distributions. 41.78
Increased the spawnrate of Thread and added the chance of Sewing Kits to spawn in gloveboxes. 41.78

Thats everything spawn related that I found in
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Build_41#top

Not bugfix related

[spark portal]

if I were to update https://undeniable.info/pz/wiki/ to build 41.78.16
seems like I should probably remove ORGM and hydrocraft from there if they are no longer relevent. but should add some different popular mods to it instead.
what would be like the top 3 most popular that add lots of either items/crafts/weapons etc?
someone said britas would be one.
what you guys think?

[lucid junco]

You can always check the Steam Most Popular All Time mods to get a rough idea

[spark portal]

i cant open steam right now. it doesnt work on windows 7 anymore.

[digital helm]

Not sure about Crafting, but looks like Britas (weapons and armor mods) and Spongie's clothing are the biggest

Maybe crafting isn't as big as it used to be?

Sharpgolden mentioned this one too https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3052668642

[spark portal]

do either have any non steam download links?
or could someone zip and email them to me?

[naive imp]

Almost all of PZ's modding community is on steam workshop unfortunately

Someone would have to zip and email

[lucid junco]

https://steamcommunity.com/workshop/browse/?appid=108600&browsesort=trend&section=readytouseitems&created_date_range_filter_start=0&created_date_range_filter_end=0&updated_date_range_filter_start=0&updated_date_range_filter_end=0&actualsort=trend&p=2&days=-1

You can open this in ur browser/smartphone app(i think)

[lucid junco]

you can use steamcmd to download them

if it works on win7 :P

[spark portal]

yea it does work i use it to upload my other game to steam

[languid kayak]

you could run it off live linux too, PZ should perfroem quite ok from it

and yeah, stuck on 41.78.16 for almost 2 years now, b42 will change a lot if you're not up to speed lol

[languid kayak]

I remember it too 🤔 Will check later, not sure if today if I won't forget

[languid kayak]

a lot, yeah.

You can compare the files, I have them at home, but you can download an old depot with SteamCMD too

[robust latch]

@proud cobalt, can this edit be reverted for CDs? I need that space to properly display location section.
https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Where_is_Everybody%3F&diff=423901&oldid=419995

[digital helm]

Not sure what you mean here. The location section is displayed fine. It's also an automated process, so it'd just be added back

[robust latch]

The top of "Location" text is on the same level with paper icon

[digital helm]

Ah, that's only on that skin. Would be best to fix it in the template, which I can look into.
Is there a reason you're still using vector-2022? We've switched to citizen as default, so all styling decisions are based off of that

[lucid junco]

I still use vector

Its more compact on pc screen unlike citizen

And more closely resembles actual wiki

[lucid junco]

Though I find it cumbersome on mobile

But I personally dont use pz wiki on mobile all that much, and If I do, I do it w/o logging in, so it defaults to citizen

[digital helm]

You can customise this on citizen. Click the cogwheel on the bottom left. Default citizen was actually the same as vector22, but we changed it for those wide tables

Mobile was a big reason we changed to it. Along with the ability to switch between light and dark mode

Just keep in mind @robust latch and @lucid junco when we update the version of mediawiki, the vector22 skin will also be updated. It should be the same as the current Wikipedia one. Then we'll remove any custom CSS we did

[digital helm]

Fixed https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Where_is_Everybody%3F?useskin=vector-2022#Back_cover

[languid kayak]

I was wondering why it changed my skin and now I realized 😄

BTW, small nit, should be CDs instead of CD's though the latter is technically correct in some style guides apparently (but I use the one without apostrophe consistently)

not sure if there's many of those (could be made a simple bot tasks, probably for others like that.

[digital helm]

Small nit indeed, but I agree